The Princess Bride (1987): André the Giant, Fezzik & the Full Fight Game Breakdown | Popcorn & Piledrivers

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[SPEAKER_01]: Hey everybody, welcome back to Popcorn and Pile Drivers and Jeremy the movie that we're going to talk about today.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Quite a bit different from the last one that we did, not as not as intense, not as uncomfortable, a little bit more light-hearted, maybe a little inconceivable.

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[SPEAKER_01]: inconceivable.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It is a 1987's the Princess Bride and had a really good time digging into this story and how it was created and going back and reading William Goldman's book where he writes about it and also

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[SPEAKER_01]: reading from the eighth wonder of the world, which is the pat laprod biography of Andre the giant.

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[SPEAKER_01]: There's a definitely a chapter on that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So lots of digging and reading and enjoying, but let's actually start this with the princess bride for you.

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[SPEAKER_01]: When would you have watched it?

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[SPEAKER_01]: How like is this something that you've watched multiple times?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Give people a little bit of your

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[SPEAKER_00]: So born 81 and we were well enough off that we had HBO growing up and this movie was on HBO like all the time.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And the way I knew that this movie was on because you'd always see the scene with Peter Folk and Bed Savage or Fred Savage where they're in the bedroom and they're talking

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[SPEAKER_00]: such a weird like juxtaposition if you turn it on somewhere else and it's this like fantasy romp kind of thing that if a kid you know it's like just just totally enough to get it but I don't think I ever really watched the movie the whole way through until I was an adult it was just like piecemeal here piecemeal there I don't ever remember the uh the

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[SPEAKER_00]: The wheelbarrow scene at the castle with Andre on fire was going to like it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I can't I can't give it to my mind growing up just seeing Andre like on fire and just little things like that that I would always remember and be like, Oh, I got to make sure I watch this movie and then I became a film major growing on later on and I made sure that was one of the movies I watched in the

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's timeless, but it looked so dated.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Hmm, interesting.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, like, are you are you specifically talking about like, the backgrounds and the scenery and the sets and that kind of thing?

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[SPEAKER_00]: The way it was filmed, even the way it was filmed felt like, and it didn't funny because Carrie always was a frequent guest on this show, but it felt like it was filmed like an episode of Spike.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, like the way that the camera was a little farther out, it would, it would show scenes and like would have these single take action shots, you know, like when they're on the the cliff side and they're doing the jump and they're doing that the fighting and all that the whole thing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't want to say it felt cheap, but you could tell that the movie was on a budget.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And that Reiner was still getting his footing on a room as like a very competent director.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like there were things that you know, you're like, you were adhocking and figuring out if they were making it all on set.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And you'll see later movies of Reiner, and there are much more polished, and it feels like, you know, they're shooting on location and doing all this thing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: very very like elementary stuff.

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[SPEAKER_00]: If you look too much in the sense, you can, you feel like you can see the plywood holding it up on the back side of it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And it's fine because it's supposed to be a kid's fantasy field.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And when I was a kid, I believed what I was watching felt authentic, but what was yet to now, you're like, you can see all the stuff that they put together to present

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[SPEAKER_01]: You mentioned Reiner and I'll just say this now.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I have, well, we have, we'll have bits in trivia and kind of the story, uh, the William Goldman story around this movie.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Goldman said that his dad had the novel and his dad liked the novel.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And he handed it down to his son.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And just said, read this and then Rob read it and decided that he was really interested in doing it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And so this is actually produced by Norman Lear, like his production company.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So Norman Lear would have been behind all of the sitcoms, including

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[SPEAKER_01]: All in the family, starring Rob Reiner as meathead.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So that's an interesting connection there for this movie.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Apparently, there was a lot of efforts to get this movie off the ground before Rob Reiner did it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Apparently, Rob Redford tried to take a crack at it as well as other people.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So it was in a production limbo for 10 or 15 year before they actually got it made.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I'd argue that Rob Reiner

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I think so.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It was a good, it was a good project for him and it was a good time frame in the late 80s for this move to come out.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, so my experience or my history with this film is it's not too dissimilar from yours.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I have a little sister in any movies that my little sister and her friends would watch.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I was kind of like, okay, I'm out on this.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And this was one of the ones because of cable that I would see on in the house a lot, grease as well, any in the cruiser.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I didn't the cruiser's a little bit more dark.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And so they were kind of just off the limits to me.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I was like, ah, you know, if the girls like it, then it can't be that good.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And, but I knew enough about it because of the same reason I'd walk in and you'd see scenes.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And, you know, people are probably wondering, like, how does this relate to fight gay media?

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[SPEAKER_01]: But it does because of Andre the Giant, and it made me think of Fred Savage's, is like, where's the sports in the beginning of the movie when his grandfather starts reading the novel to him?

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[SPEAKER_01]: But I was like, I knew of the movie because of Andre, I was already watching WWE F back then.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But there was an interesting thing because if you were watching WWE F in 1987,

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[SPEAKER_01]: Andre had just turned heel on Hulk Hogan.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So this movie comes out in, I think it's an October time frame, maybe November.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That is also the time frame of the very first survivor series, and Andre himself is the lone survivor I believe in the main event of that show.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So Andre plays this very good nature, heroic character.

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[SPEAKER_01]: in the Princess Bride, but on in WWE FEs playing the big bad going against Hulk Hogan.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So that was an interesting thing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I wonder

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[SPEAKER_01]: if he wasn't playing that he'll character if WWE F would have even promoted it a little bit more than they did because I don't remember there being a ton about it because Andre was a bad guy and you couldn't really promote this good-natured movie with him in it as well as the character of Andre the giant, you know, wanting to kill Hulk Hogan.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So,

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[SPEAKER_00]: We talked about they live and that Roddy Piper actually left WWE F at the time to go film this movie and presumably was going to leave for good, was there ever really any movies at that time that WWE F even like bother promoting Goonies any of that stuff?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Not until no holds barred, which is only a year later, because it's their movie that they made.

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[SPEAKER_00]: once it like they didn't see the advantage of like piggybacking on a big film like this for their own thing it had to be their project they make all the money and they reap the rewards of making a really good film like

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[SPEAKER_01]: So the story goes that they were approached because William Goldman had Andre the giant in mind like way back in the 70s.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He had seen him on television.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He was a somewhat of a wrestling fan, C. Zandra tells his wife, this is the perfect guy for physics.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Now, until today, like I would have

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[SPEAKER_01]: Wrestling wasn't really on television.

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[SPEAKER_01]: from what I remember in that timeframe.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So, I'm actually wondering if that story is a little off as far as the time of the timing of it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, the more I read about Goldman, the more the word eccentric seem to come across my way and it's centrics in the 70s and 80s, probably had a line on things that most people weren't paying attention to.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I totally believe that he was

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[SPEAKER_00]: reading some type of magazine about pro wrestling and do exactly what this guy wants.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And so just to kind of fast forward a little bit.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So Billy Crystal also in Andre the Giant fan.

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[SPEAKER_01]: had I mean he's working with Andre C's Andre C's how in how much pain Andre is in in this entire movie he's got a back injury and he's not the same strong Andre that people remember and Billy Crystal had an idea of like creating a show for Andre just so he didn't have to wrestle anymore and um so much so

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[SPEAKER_01]: that Billy Crystal creates a movie in the late 90s I believe it is called my giant starring Jorge Mirasson who was a basketball player for the Washington bullets back then, but the inspiration from what I understand was Billy Crystal like knowing Andre the giant.

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[SPEAKER_01]: No, that was for Get Paris.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That was where he gave cream up dual-jabar the technical and just cream goes, this is my farewell game and Billy Crystal goes, well let me be the first person to wish you farewell.

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[SPEAKER_00]: If you know, uh, I'm going to say I drew my blue jar into having quite a career in Hollywood as a writer and uh, producer and a number of other things and acting, he, he really breached off creatively in a way that kind of blows my mind.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, uh, the thing about this movie by the way, Karim.

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[SPEAKER_01]: when they couldn't get Andre originally, Karim was kind of thought about being on the list for this role.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But so WWE F basically tells them, while Andre is going to New Japan pro wrestling, and if you have the kind of money that New Japan does because if you do, then maybe you can pay us and we will give you Andre.

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[SPEAKER_01]: uh, lied, of course, by saying how much money they were getting from sending Andre to Japan, and uh, he said, uh, something in the neighborhood of 5 million when really it was more like 100,000.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And so they were like, nope, we don't have that kind of money.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's half of the budget for the whole thing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But then that, I guess that tour got canceled and then they circled back.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And uh, and, and they were basically on the way with the available.

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[SPEAKER_00]: uh... so so our buddy uh... Chris the dipitrillo is uh... in the chat hanging out so shout out to Chris uh... i'm gonna say uh... i wish the death to Chris he's going through a tough time right now with the up-packing of uh... mr. building from say by the bound after that i think so i thought of you Chris when that happened and i hope you're doing okay my man i really do and i mean that's certainly because i know how much you love say by the bell

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I, much, much like you did not see this movie in full from start to finish until I was an adult.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It wasn't until Crystal, my wife said, this is one of my favorite movies.

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[SPEAKER_01]: How have you not seen it?

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I was like, I haven't, maybe I haven't seen all of it, but I know what it is.

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[SPEAKER_01]: She's like, nope, we gotta watch it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So

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[SPEAKER_01]: watched it and I was like okay this is this is a lot of fun like this is is very cool and you know um the reason why it came out to her that I never had seen the movie is um do you know what's what's that TV show uh Mandy Moore uh the famous TV show this is us this is us so

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[SPEAKER_01]: one of the, um, one of the triplets, he is married.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He is about to get married and he's giving his speech.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And he does the whole marriage thing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And so everyone's laughing except for me because I have no idea what this is.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And they're like, you don't know this from the Princess bride.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I was like, okay, I guess I do have to watch.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You got to be.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So watched it thought it was cool and it wasn't until this last viewing where I was like, okay, this movie is actually excellent.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, yeah, there's a tongue-in-cheek aspect to it that I don't know if I initially was charmed enough by the first time, but the second time.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I was dialed in completely with the sense of humor and with the style of story that they were telling and the kind of the wink wink in the judge, I was completely into it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So that is my history with it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's interesting that you mentioned that because when I was trying to figure out what kind of movie this was, you know, like fantasy, you know, sort, you know, like a romance film, it's all of these things and, you know, when you, you chalked down like when you're in a superhero film, you have one that plays it pretty straight like a spider band and then you have one that like,

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[SPEAKER_00]: Take everything and make it a joke, but you're still entertained with it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like in Deadpool, but there's something in between where you're in on the joke, but you're still charming.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You're still long for the ride, you know, like a modernism, a postmodernism, but there's almost like a meta modernism in the middle of that where you're aware that you're supposed to just kind of

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[SPEAKER_00]: not question a couple of them could just be like, okay, that was convenient, but moving on.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, everything could kind of move at a brief page.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I mean, that was the difference between the script and the novel, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like that was William Goldman going like, who wrote the novel going like, okay, in order for this to fit in a movie, I have to do this, I have to do it this way, cause the novel is not exactly the same as the script.

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[SPEAKER_01]: What you just said was the problem with the marketing because they didn't know how to market it either right though the poster was a choice the trailer was a choice how do you market it as we swash buckling Fencing dual tail do you market it as a romantic comedy do you market it as a children's movie

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[SPEAKER_01]: didn't do great on the box office and where really made its name is on cable and on the address the HS.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So like over a year later, like the movie came out in 87, but it wasn't until like the holiday in 1988.

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[SPEAKER_00]: that it just exploded, and everyone's like, oh, this movie's good.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And one of those cult classic films, if you will, so really just kind of fascinating how things became hits back then, if it wasn't like right away, you know, like we talked about how they live and all these other movies, but it,

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[SPEAKER_00]: They developed following when they were much more available to people rather than going to the theater to have to pay, whatever the sum of money was at the time to go see a movie like that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Shout out to my guy, Konrado, who's my Valkyries podcast, Pad Halla, co-host.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So going back to what you said about development and how long it took for this movie to be made.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So such an interesting story because, so 20th Century Fox buys the film rights from Goldman.

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[SPEAKER_01]: For, you know, a pretty penny in 1973, and Goldman is going to write screenplay.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They have a director and the guy who greenlit,

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[SPEAKER_01]: The movie is then soon fired and so then it kind of just hangs in, you know, in this in the spot of like, okay, now, what do we do?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, the person who green led, he's no longer here.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And so Goldman just buys the book back.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He buys the rights back because he doesn't want this to stay in developmental hell.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So this is why it takes so long to get made like you mentioned Robert Redford.

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[SPEAKER_01]: There are others who thought about doing it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Christopher Reeve was considered to play Wesley at one point.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Another possibility for physique was

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[SPEAKER_01]: one Arnold Schwarzenegger, but the problem with Arnold is that by the time 1987 hits, we're talking Conan the Barbarian, Conan the Destroyer, the Predator, all in his careers, and he's going to be way too expensive because he's going to be one of the bigger stars in the entire thing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe the biggest star.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The other thing is, we talked about this in the running man, he was not considered to be a comedic actor.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, he had to fight to get an opportunity to be a comedic actor.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So even if he was considered for it and trying to have, you know, the very, very minute acting chops that were needed, there still wasn't the confidence in him to be comedy.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So Rob Reiner casts Carrie Ellis, like you mentioned as Wesley.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, Robin Wright was pretty much unknown in the movie world.

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[SPEAKER_01]: She was in a soap opera, Santa Barbara as a, as a young woman.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think she's like 20 when this movie is made.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Uh, so she becomes Princess Buttercup.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Interesting list of folks who may, may or may not have been up for Buttercup.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, I always like to say this is like internet research and a lot of stuff that gets posted on the internet.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And becomes legend is uh, you know, here's say sometimes, but names like Umathirman, Meg Ryan, and Courtney Cox.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know if I believe the Courtney Cox one because Umathirman is really young.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Umathirman is very young, um, Meg Ryan is probably, so this would have been what the year before your aftertop gun.

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[SPEAKER_01]: OK, OK, you're after Top Gun.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then Courtney Cox would have been on.

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[SPEAKER_01]: She would end the shoot.

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[SPEAKER_01]: She would end the shoot.

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[SPEAKER_01]: She would end the shoot.

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[SPEAKER_00]: She would end the shoot in the birth-printing new video.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Dancing in the dark.

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[SPEAKER_00]: She would actually end him and in 1988.

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[SPEAKER_00]: OK.

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[SPEAKER_01]: She's in that movie Holy cow.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, she is she is the female earth cast lead in that movie, who spoil or moves with her family in the beginning of the movie, but through the magic of humans, technology, her parent to her wife, by the end of the movie.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So how's this for a Star Wars related?

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[SPEAKER_00]: I know we're your co-owner with us.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So, Carial was in Mandy Patentkin.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They have a fencing scene.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And they spent a few weeks training, both left and right handed, if you know the scene, you know why.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And they trained under Bob Anderson and Peter Diamond, the same guys who choreographed lightsaber scenes in Star Wars.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's pretty cool.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It did have a little bit of that 1984 return of the Jedi across the platform at the Death Star and for the Empire Room and the Emperors like Grandroom.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, the Aquabatics and Gymnastics, too.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, you know, just got a little bit of that and within like an optical weight and terrain this time at stairs and you know, alcoves as both to rocks and ground and you know you got a little bit of the gen i move with the acrobatic like I'm going to throw my sword on the ground and then do this giant

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[SPEAKER_01]: And this is just kind of a comparison about movies today, but the violence is, it's really safe in a sense, because how does Wesley win?

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[SPEAKER_01]: hey just kind of box these guys on top of the head with his sword right like he doesn't you know there is there is some blood there is a stabbing you know so there is some of that but like how Wesley advances is not because he chops some dudes hand off or whatever

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[SPEAKER_01]: which would have been, you know, a little Star Wars centric there, but he just bonks him on the head knocks him out and we go on our merry way.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Of course, those characters do have to come back, so you can't kill them, but I like that part of it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I was like, oh, this is this is nice, just bonk these guys and the hero doesn't have to, you know, be so mean and cruel.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's funny that you mentioned the violence in this movie because people actually got hurt during this film.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Did you, uh, you can't show up, no, come out, carry L.s and Christopher guest in the, uh, right after the, the fire slob, yeah, the.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They could not get the stunt of Christopher Guest is the Count, Count Rugen, to hit him over the head with the prompt fort.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They couldn't get the timing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It just did not look right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So Carriela said, just hit me with the regular sort.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe we're good.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He did, and he knocked Carrie always out and Carrie always ended up waking up in the emergency room.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, they stitched up from the thing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And fun fact, Garrett, that take is actually in the film.

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[SPEAKER_00]: one day and you've got an ATV when in between like a break and shooting.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think this is Andre influenced actually.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, you sure you should do this, this is fun.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so, oh, if you have come to ATV and he loses a little bit of control and he gets his foot pinned between the ATV pedal and a rock.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm not broken, but he can't do anything.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He can't fight, he can't do any sort of thing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So the scene in the film in which they're working around this is when they're at the top of the cliffside and Buttercup pushes him down the hill.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He is unable to stand that much.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So the whole sequence looks to get them down the hill and do it like that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But for a safe film, it won't be very safe.

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[SPEAKER_01]: that's crazy.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think that they were a little frustrated with the Andre, because I think they believe Andre egg dim on a little bit to dry the ATV.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I think they were frustrated a few times with Andre in this movie, in the Delaprod Book.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think there was a time very early on where Andre discovered the wine cellar and maybe passed out and they just kind of had to leave him and then there's the, of course, the flatulence story but that one sounded more humorous than being angry with him because Andre enjoyed displaying his significant talent of letting out some flatulence.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There were a couple of stories that picked up about Andre during the filming of this movie, and one was he carried a picture of beer like a pitcher with them and he called it the American, because it could hold like 40 ounces of beer in there, and to him it was like a regular cup.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, because of this, at one point during the filming he got so drunk at a hotel bar that he passed out.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And instead of waking him up or doing any of the things, the hotel simply put an apron up, put a velvet rope around where he was sleeping on the floor until he just got up the next morning.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's if nothing had happened, that might be the exact same story with the wine.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Whether it was wine or beer, but I think that's the same story.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that was the, that was the L wave retelling of the thing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then Rob Reiner explained that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Andre really had a hard time with the line.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like he, he did not, like they didn't know how to get him to remember and deliver some clients.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So Rob Reiner acted out all of Andre's lines and recorded it and then they put it on a tape and Andre would walk around, set, listening to Rob Reiner recite his lines and all they said at the very end like, I don't know how, but it worked.

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[SPEAKER_00]: you know you know he's not natural actor also not like didn't really have to cut that many promos at the same time right you got one hell of a problem maybe the best prom we've ever cut in the middle of this movie yeah I would think that would have watched you know we'll get to that one point but

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[SPEAKER_00]: with when he was when he was on the wheel barrel and he got that promo.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's like I don't think I've ever heard a better on-day promo ever anywhere and it's not like I've gone out seeking it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I've got, but then reading about how Rob Riner got him prep for this promo, it literally was a promo of his wife.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So we have to talk about Inigo Montoya, which is NBP of the film.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Very memorable character, obviously.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I was actually kind of wondering where they, you know, like how do you find

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[SPEAKER_01]: that this person is the right person for the role because I think he's he's on stage right he's he's he's a he's a Broadway actor um and not really a giant movie star but what a fantastic casting it was to to cast many painted as a guy that knew the role was hit before anyone else did

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[SPEAKER_00]: you know, the way that he talked about it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So the, the bad story and there are a lot, there are a lot of lore about how this role is affected people since the movie has come out.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But you mentioned Cario is his book, his book is about this entire movie, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, you know, like he's, he's going through all that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So the Tinkin, his father died 15 years before this movie was made and

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so when Pateenkin read for this role, he saw Count Rugen as cancer.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And

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[SPEAKER_00]: to get this role and to form it would have been symbolic way to get his father back.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like he would have defeated a cancer.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So he performed this entire role as almost like a catharsis to deal with the unresolved lost that he had with his dad.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And you're watching this film and it's almost like he's in a different film than everybody else.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, like he is playing the role with so much passion, where everyone else is playing the role with so much personality, if that makes sense.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like he is just, he is the driver of it, and he's only really in it for about 35% of the fill.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's got a part of the first half, and he's got a part of the second half, and he's not to be seen in the middle of it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But when he's on the screen, he just takes over.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, absolutely.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He's the most memorable character, I think, with the most memorable quotes that we'll get into when we get to the quotes.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Another person I wanted to point out, Wallace Sean, who plays Vizini, I knew Wallace Sean, not from anything other than the Cosby Show.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Hmm, he was the next door neighbor to the Cosby's.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He was an on that many episodes.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He's probably on like four or five episodes over like six seasons, but that's what I knew him from.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then of course, he does voice work for Toy Story.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I think that's where people probably remember him most from is from Princess Bride and Toy Story.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But for me, it's the Cosby show.

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[SPEAKER_00]: When I started to begin to recognize actors here and there and everywhere, he was one of the first actors that I would notice places, but the first time I like realized him and Chris mentioned it here in the chat with Clueless as Alicia Silverstone comes on.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And Paul Runt, stepfather, that whole deal.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And he was so minimal in the role.

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[SPEAKER_00]: memorable at the same time that you'd also like oh yeah you were in this other movie and then like you remember clueless you remember him from clueless and you're like oh yeah you was in the print that's right you was the guy that said inconceivable and then all of a sudden you'd realize like oh this guy is actually really good and he's going to bunch of different things and I think he might have been a handful of oh he was the teacher not the dad it was a

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[SPEAKER_01]: They was the teacher who they who she set up with the with the her other teacher.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Right, right, right, right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, Dan Hadaya, the guy who got also an Adam family was the father of that movie.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Thank you for the correction Chris, because I would have gone on in a lifetime with this thing on gone to print and never would have been corrected without them.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I appreciate that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: No, he was the first one, one of the first actors that really helped me understand what a character actor was.

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[SPEAKER_00]: where it wasn't a star wasn't a Tom crew that it wasn't like in our Schwarzenegger or all of these things, but it was that guy that helps in the ensemble and it's cast as a certain role to accentuate the main character and do all these things.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to like, oh, that, that's what that was.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Gotcha.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, Carol Kane, she and Billy Crystal are together in one

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I think the credits do, but so Carol Kane is like my favorite minute in the entire movie and I was like, I've seen her somewhere and I don't remember.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And did you ever watch the unbreakable Kimmy Schmidt?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, she works.

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[SPEAKER_01]: She's in Kimmy Schmidt.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I was like, she's also in Star Trek recently as well.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The current paramount series of Star Trek she is prominent role as there as Carol Caine is a Star Trek character, basically.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe he said, but yeah, her and her really crystal is mighty math or miracle math and his life They add them to everything and they are absolutely hilarious.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, they're great Have you ever seen a Billy Crystal movie called Mr. Saturday night?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, and it's a very atypical Billy Crystal movie, you know, one of those out of character.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They expected to be one thing and it's definitely not a dramatic character study.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And it's a good job by him, but it's not.

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[SPEAKER_01]: There's still lots of comedy in there.

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[SPEAKER_01]: but it's also very cutting and very mean at the same time.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it felt, it didn't feel like city-lookers when like if you wanted to see Billy Crystal, maybe like city-lookers, you don't watch Mr. Saturday night to really follow up on the vibe.

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[SPEAKER_01]: David Paymer, I think, plays his brother.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And, um,

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[SPEAKER_01]: I thought like David Paymer has been in other things, but whenever I think of David Paymer, I like, oh, he's the brother in Mr. Saturday night.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, of course we have Fred Savage who just two years later, year and a half later would be in the one or years and that would make him a very famous teenage actor.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Peter Falk obviously plays grandfather, Columbus himself.

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[SPEAKER_01]: All right.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think we have to do too much of a history of Andre here to tie this story together, this podcast together with Viking media.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And while we're doing this, but there's a story.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I wonder if people, like I wonder what you think and if you would call BS on this story.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So by the way, this is on the HBO documentary, as well as the book by Pat LaProd.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But there's a story that Andre grew up in the same village where Samuel Beckett kept his country cottage.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Now, in the HBO documentary, I don't remember I haven't seen that documentary in a long time, but they kind of treated it a little bit as legend, I believe.

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[SPEAKER_01]: uh, the patla prod book, I think he gave it a little bit more of like, yeah, this probably did happen.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Andre may have been given a ride from Samuel Beckett when he was like, a young, you know, a young kid or something.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And it sounds like one of those stories that is almost too good to be true or you're kind of like, like, I can, I always say this.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I was like, you know,

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's quite possible that I played baseball against Tom Brady and it's literally because of the vicinity in which we lived and the age that we are and the T. R. High School's playing and like I don't know that to be true but I'm just saying it could have happened.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It could have happened.

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[SPEAKER_00]: How do you know it didn't kind of...

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's probable and I have friends who played against him when they were growing up and knew him well when they were growing up just because we're in the same area.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But I always wanted to do, had you heard that Sam your Beckett story and do you think it's BS?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Do you think it's possible?

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think it's possible.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I've never heard the story, but it's one of those.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Every time you hear a story about two people that shouldn't have met and somehow meet in like circumstances outside of how they normally would ever have met.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It could be in true most of the time, I'm, the more just, excuse me, they out of hell side before the acromegely kicked in.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So sure, you know, could adjust any, any day of the week, any day of the week of any month.

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[SPEAKER_00]: for like three or four years.

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[SPEAKER_00]: If there were a window of time, Andre was walking down the street on a dirt road and he got a ride.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I absolutely believe that could have happened.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So we'll just jump to the mid 80s for Andre.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Obviously, at this point, he's a box office kind of person, but, you know, invents the sites to go national, he limits a lot of the places where Andre would work.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And the whole key to Andre, or one of the keys, I should say, is that Andre,

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[SPEAKER_01]: He would go to all of these different places so that you didn't see him very often because you want to use him as somebody who You can Mark it as coming to to your town, but you didn't want to do it too much.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You didn't want him to be there Every other week, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe you want him to be there every six months or something.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So, you know, Andre was still a box office for a lot of promoters

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then in the mid 80s, obviously Vince goes national and he's limiting the places where we're Andre can work.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And Andre in 1987, he does his heel turn.

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[SPEAKER_01]: In February, he does the heel turn and obviously rips the shirt and the crucifix off of Hogan's chest and as he's ripping

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[SPEAKER_01]: the Pontiac Silverdom, the biggest WrestleMania at that point, and still probably one of the most famous moments in WWE of history with Hogan, body slamming Andre, and pinning him.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And so if you think

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[SPEAKER_01]: He wins the WrestleMania 2 battle royal and he is in a feud with, uh, I believe it's King Kong Bundy and the hean in family and he goes away to do this movie, the Princess Pride.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So he's in this, so this is, he films it in 86, 87 turns heel on Hogan.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He's in the main event of WrestleMania 3, Giant Show.

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[SPEAKER_01]: and then he, like I mentioned, the survivor series in late 87, he's Sol survivor, which leads to February of 88 in kind of like, I've told the story before, but this is like my moment of my wrestling fandom is kicked into overdrive, because before this February main event, which was on a Friday, by the way, wasn't a Saturday night's main event as a Friday main event, Hogan and

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[SPEAKER_01]: I had read in my local newspaper the sales a Mercury news Friday morning, that Andre the giant was going to beat Hulk Hogan for the WTF title, not only was he going to beat him, but there was going to be shenanigans because there was going to be twin refs the happiness and the reason why I knew that this was

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[SPEAKER_01]: true, and that this was going to happen, is because one heptner worked for WWE F, the other heptner worked for Crocket, and I watched both.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I was like, yeah, that makes sense.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I always wondered why the two heptners were in different companies.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So they explained the finish, and I went to school that day, and I told everybody was going to happen.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And they were, of course, you know, think of what wrestling was when you're your old, they're like, oh, my gosh, no way.

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[SPEAKER_01]: How do you know, how do you know, you're, yeah, how does anybody know?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, like, you know, what's going on?

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[SPEAKER_01]: And so it happens.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I don't know when the saying, yeah, but still,

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like I don't know when the first person said that it might have been me after that show though because I'm watching this match and I'm mad that what I read in the newspaper actually happened because I was a hogan guy and my dad looks at me and he's like, how can you possibly be mad when you knew exactly what was going to happen?

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I looked at him and I said, yeah, but still.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And again, it's might've been the first time I ever uttered it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I should have trademarked it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So this is like,

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[SPEAKER_01]: I actually asked Dave Meltzer about this.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I was like, could you have possibly talk to somebody at San Jose Mercury News who would have printed this story?

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[SPEAKER_01]: And he believes that he did, and that's why it got printed.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And if you read the observer from this time frame, February of 88, I think Dave even mentions that the finish got out in some way, and so anyways, back to this.

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[SPEAKER_01]: to early 88, like from a national perspective on WWE television, Andre is huge, but he can't like his body is breaking down on him and they tell the story from the movie where Princess Buttercup has to jump from the castle and into Andre's arms and she floats through the air and he catches her.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They had to actually hold her I forget how they did it, but they had they had like rope or something hanging with her Because Andre physically his back was in such bad shape that he couldn't put any pressure on it and like the impact of her landing into his arm was not with too much

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[SPEAKER_01]: and in Patla Prud's book he says also what is common with people who have acromaglia is that hypernose?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I call it acromaglia but acromaglia.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think that's actually what it is.

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[SPEAKER_01]: they also develop carpal tunnel symptoms.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So he was saying that it's quite possible that not only was Andre's back messed up to where he couldn't physically hold this 110 pound woman, but also that his arms may have been impaired as well at the same time.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I just love the Andre story from that time frame

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[SPEAKER_01]: the idea of pro wrestling went from, oh, I kind of like this to, I know way too much about this.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm so excited that I know so much about this and more than anybody else.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And so that time frame is right with this rise in Andre's character.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So, okay.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Andre's acting career.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He played Sasquatch in a two-part $6 million man episode.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He also, and this would have been 1976, he also turned up in the greatest American hero.

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[SPEAKER_01]: By the way, can we just stop there?

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[SPEAKER_01]: You had to have been a greatest American hero fan.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Too young.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh my god, this is right.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think I'm freaking alley.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I know the song.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I've seen it in syndication, but I've never something that I was able to sit down and like digest and take what William Kat, the greatest American hero.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, there was a show growing up that I remember and Chris will know what the show I'm talking about

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[SPEAKER_00]: The guy was married to Rebecca Romaine, Jerry O'Connell, my secret identity.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Where he was a kid, and this was actually kind of hip jewelry.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So it looks like the stand by me, Jerry O'Connell.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You mean the chubby version of the job?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, yeah, the pre-pubescent Jerry O'Connell is the quiet way to put it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: My dog needs attention apparently.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But he played a, he gained power by going into his neighbor scientist,

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so that was my, that was my, that was my wheelhouse.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: My secret identity education.

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[SPEAKER_01]: at Gerry O'Connell is I see him almost every week on a big brother recap show, so he's doing these days.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He was an excellent in a Star Trek animated show called Lower Dets recently where he played a very hyper confident hypercapable first mate of a Starship and he did it very well.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Andre also in BJ in the bear, the fall guy in 1990s, Zoro and he has an uncredited role as a monster in Conan, the destroyer, which is the Arnold Schwarzenegger role.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And there's a story because I think Will Chamberlain also is in that movie, so there's this really famous picture with the three of them together and Will does quite a bit taller than Andre in this photo.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And there's a story that the legend of Andre is that if he asked you out to dinner, he was

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[SPEAKER_01]: And so he's out with Arnold and Willt and Arnold knows this about Andre and decides to kind of on the slide hand his credit card over to the the major deal or whatever.

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[SPEAKER_01]: and as he's doing it, Andre grabs him and picks him up above his head as if to say, no, I am paying.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And so that's kind of the legend of that story.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But can you imagine the testosterone

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[SPEAKER_00]: in the middle of the 80s in L.A. at a steakhouse surrounded by cigarette smoke and whiskey.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Sure.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, and then of course this is his favorite role and he would carry a copy of the VHS like just he was so proud of this role and he should have been because he's fantastic in this movie.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I guess he was in a movie called a trading mom that came out after he passed away, which I heard was not that good.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'd like to think that Prince of Brian is actual acting like you see in this.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It should be.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It should be.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, so.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Now the plot to this movie, you know, most people have probably seen it, but Fred's average plays a sick child and he is playing a Nintendo baseball game.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I couldn't tell it was it bases loaded like now, you know, it's not base loaded.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's not base loaded, okay, because base is loaded.

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[SPEAKER_01]: was the first game in which you could actually fight.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Now you couldn't fight, but if you hit the other team's batter or the other team hit your batter too many times, there would be an animation of the batter rushing the pitcher and throwing a punch.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So you have to keep in mind that the Nintendo came out in 85, and so there were only two years worth of Nintendo game by the time this was filmed.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The scenes were filmed after the rest of the movie was done.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So at best, it's early 87 that they're doing this stuff.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe like, techno baseball, something very, very early in the Nintendo landscape for baseball games.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Now, I don't know that this is the actual case, but according to what I just searched right now, the game is actually hardball from the Commodore 64.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So does he not even an Nintendo game?

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[SPEAKER_00]: I didn't think it was an Nintendo at first when I saw it because I was looking at the looking at it and the box didn't look like an Nintendo to me.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Hardball, hardball had a quite a shelf life by the way.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They were making hardball games all the way until the 90s.

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[SPEAKER_00]: that um that scene actually was the first time like oh wow okay I get the budget now because he's in the scene and like it looked normal from the mom coming in to like see him but when immediately go to the other side where you what she opens up the window you can just tell it's a fake like a back drop of like it's always street and you're like oh okay got it

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[SPEAKER_00]: The unveil has been lifted on the fantasy versus reality.

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[SPEAKER_00]: She.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So Fred's average sick child, he's sick home from school and his mom's like, you know, maybe turn off the games or whatever.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And and she's like, guess what your grandfather's coming over.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And he's like, oh, no.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like grandpa coming over was not a great time according to this sick child and he brings this book starts to read them the book and Fred savages characters like come on man There's kissing in this and stuff and and he's like just just wait just painting it just have some patience and start reading it

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[SPEAKER_01]: And there's constant break-ins for the movie where they go back to the scene with the grandfather and the grandson.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And Fred Savage's character kind of is like a little bit more interested in and then when the grandfather pauses is like okay I think we're done for the Danny's like no no you can you can keep going and you know he's kind of pretending that he's not really into it but you could tell he's really into it so all of those scenes are really well done

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I like the break from the story to go because it just reminds you, oh, yeah, they're telling a story that, you know, for this sick child, it kind of just reminds you to go back to that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I like all of those scenes.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So in the story, a farm girl butter cut played by Robin Wright falls in love with her farm hand, Wesley.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Wesley leaves and is reportedly killed by the dread pirate robberts.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So she is of the belief that her, her, her, her, a Wesley is dead.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So she's grieving and she is engaged to Prince Humperdink, who in the book version is supposedly like not a well-camped person, like probably fairly ugly and such.

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[SPEAKER_01]: and Chris Surandon is not that, but he does play a little bit older and a little, you know, you could tell there's a, there's a, not, you know, not nice guy part of him, even though he is pretending.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's like he's a good word.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So, who saves her from these three men?

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[SPEAKER_01]: None other than Wesley, but he is not, he doesn't look like Wesley.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He looks, he's like in disguise.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And when I first watched this movie, I was like, okay, here's my knit pick.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He didn't change his voice.

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[SPEAKER_01]: How does she not immediately know that this is her Wesley?

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, you're wearing a mask, man.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Every time somebody wears a mask, you can't tell their identity.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Even, even true love cannot penetrate the veil of a black mask obscuring your face.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's been established in many, many movies.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I didn't ever hear a variety.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I absolutely did not buy this the first time I watched it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then when I watched it again, I was like, OK, I want to, am I like to, you know, what, and I was like, nope, I still don't buy it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't, I don't buy that part of the movie at all.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There are many, many crossroads.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm going to use the word crossroads in which this film offered you an opportunity to either go along for the ride or say, you know what, that won't just a little too much for me.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And it doesn't really take away from the enjoyment either way,

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[SPEAKER_00]: you do or not because the charm is just the way to tell the story.

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[SPEAKER_01]: This is where the wink wink nudge nudge come right part of the story.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So he is dressed.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He kind of looks like Zoro actually, Wesley.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And he has become the new dread pirate Robertson.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He tells her a story of how

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[SPEAKER_01]: He has become the new version of that, and that his death was all legend, and that they were actually friends, and he turned, he gave him the name, and he became the Dred Pirate Roberts.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So,

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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, Matt, depending five years, learning Thor's play, all of these things, then allowed him to defeat the Rini, defeat Sethik, didn't feed a Nego Montoya in order to get butter up and uh, take her hostage or take her printer instead and tell the, the, the reveal was made.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So we mentioned a Nego Montoya.

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[SPEAKER_01]: His entire life as an adult is to avenge the death of his father.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The only thing he knows about his father's killer is that he has six fingers on his right hand.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And when he and a Wesley have their fencing duel, he wants to make sure that Wesley does not have six fingers because that would have been the person who he was finding or he was looking for.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Later in the movie, Wesley realizes that Rugen has six fingers and he tells and so that's how Montoya can can avenge.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So the six finger man is around and you can get him.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So Wesley is nearly tortured to death.

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[SPEAKER_01]: In ego and physique,

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[SPEAKER_00]: He is tortured to death to be fair.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, technically he is, though, mostly to death.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The, the miracle max says he's mostly dead.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Not fully dead, most of the dead.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That could have more detail to wonder like how a man dead can be brought back to life.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So the level of vengeance that Indigo has for Rugen make sure that Wesley is not completely dead because they need him to help them because there's lots of people who they need to run through to get to Rugen because

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[SPEAKER_01]: you know, he, he, he, they battled each other.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So Montoya knows that Wesley is like the real deal.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like he's, he's never had.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He's never faced anyone better.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And there's a scene where

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[SPEAKER_01]: uh... root uh... inigo and fesic they talk about how many people that they may have to beat up and uh... physics like yeah i think i can only get ten by myself so well we need help we we need uh... we need wesley to help us here so miracle max revives him

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[SPEAKER_01]: But the problem is, is that Wesley does not have his full function of his, of his body.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So the, the medicine that he took, actually,

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[SPEAKER_01]: made him live but he doesn't have he's he's numb and he can't walk and his legs don't work and such so they are dealing so there's a lot of psychological advantage here for them to to win in this war so they finally watch as Enigo avenges his father's death and then they take the

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[SPEAKER_00]: They get four horses and they write off into the sunset after Humpheting if tied to a chair.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Humpheting, I forgot Humpheting's name.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, Humpheting if tied to a chair and told him all the way if he will be tortured and spend the rest of his life.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And he doesn't wet buttercup, go, let him buttercup.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Let a wet clean buttercup go.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Humpheting also wasn't that there was a Lord Humpheting in professional wrestling, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't remember who was, but I do remember the word Humberd Inc. And I also kind of remember Humberd Inc. from there with a version of a Humberd Inc. And Shrek.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Sir Oliver Humberd Inc. That's what that was the name.

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[SPEAKER_01]: There.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the

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[SPEAKER_01]: was also Big Daddy Dink with the fabulous free birds.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And what I remember from Sir Oliver Humper Dink was so 1987.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So same time, frame is the very first survivor series.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Bam Bam Bigelow is the hot prospect in WWE F.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And so all of the managers are trying to get him to sign with him.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So it's like, heen in, Jimmy, hard, Johnny, valiant.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They're all trying to get this new prospect to come to their stable.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And he comes out with sort of Oliver Humparding as his manager.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Who's the person out there that I was thinking of?

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[SPEAKER_01]: You were thinking of, I don't know.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Uh, you've around the time that means you know, Kuroen, he would be on the video.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The call to him video.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, you're talking about Al Hayes.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Al Hayes.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, or an offer to his or an offer to his.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's what I was coming back to.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, yeah, I.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I just remember the way that they did the scene with the Nego Montoya and Count Rugen, like that climactic battle in which Nego rubs down the stairs and is immediately stabbed by the flying dagger in his abdomen.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so he taped the shot to the abdomen and then he stabbed both arms, but in the fight where he like he just baby faint fire, there's no real other way to put it, and he repeats the line that he's more you would say to a father murder.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And he gets more and more strength and he proceeds to mirror all of the image, all of the injuries that Rugen gave him first in the, first in the armor reflect the last last shove wound that he got than the other arm, which is the middle.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then he end with the wound that Rugen started with him showing that he was more powerful than him by surviving the wounds that Rugen tried to give him and Rugen didn't survive.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And you know, like,

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[SPEAKER_00]: When you explain it like that, it's a lot more complex and symmetrical than just the way that you watch it, but the way that that conflict was resolved versus the way the conflict between Humphord Inc and Wesleyan Buttercomper was resolved almost felt like the heart of the film really lied in that conflict resolution of what that love meant rather than the love

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[SPEAKER_00]: between Buttercup and Wesley, or even the love that became apparent between Grandpa and the grandson side of the film.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like I really have the message of the film is true love is represented in so many different ways.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The box office for this movie, the budget 16 million domestic box office 30.9.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So probably you know, you want to make back a little bit more than what they did.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The lifetime profit on that, it's almost probably pretty significant.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yeah, absolutely.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So Barry Diller thought that, um,

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[SPEAKER_01]: It would have, it would have had a longer, longer legs than it did in, and the idea was like, the movie will, it may not be the biggest opening day movie or opening weekend movie, but it's going to be a pretty big deal.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And he's actually right, they just didn't do so in the box

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[SPEAKER_01]: the not not too many awards as far as as far as what it won.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But in 19 or oh 2016, it was added to the National Film Registry as culturally historical and aesthetically significant.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Rob Reiner also rented a house in England during the shoot specifically to host the cast together

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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, and it worked and kind of like like you said, Carial, uh, wrote an entire book about it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And it seems like those folks all kind of have community around the making of this movie, even though, you know, now it's for over, you know, almost 40 years ago, but it still sounds like they're still community around it, which is kind of cool if you think about it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, um,

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[SPEAKER_00]: It feels as if there were relationships that existed far past this film as a result of this film.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, like Billy Krystal and a relationship with Andre, the giant, and I, I do remember Mandy Petinkin talking about like the relationships that he created with, you know, famed and the rest of the cast as a result of this film.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Uh, I don't think anyone kind of predicted when this film came out just how much of a legacy and a

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[SPEAKER_00]: an appreciation that this film had over the course of the last 40 years.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, like the fact that most of the cast is still alive to celebrate the film is also kind of a miracle if you're really thinking about it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, Andre, he, you know, he passed away, like the only like six years later and then Rob Reiner unfortunately had just recently this past year and

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[SPEAKER_00]: but Robin Wright, Carrie L is, Mandy Patinkan, I think Mandy Patinkan is still around, you know, like I one of the most viral internet videos that I remember being taken by is Mandy Patinkan and of Wife, just.

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[SPEAKER_00]: watching a video of this young woman and talking about when her father was in palliative care how they would watch the movie together and their language was the whole like as you wish and it's like there was really nothing else that he could say as he got worse and worse and I think

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think there isn't a greater gift that someone could have in life than to have a form in an experience or like just a,

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I don't believe we'll clear it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They like John Cena as like never give up.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And Mandy Petink and the person who's going to fight for like his father, even when his father couldn't fight for himself, these are all just iconic things that people latch on to and give them strength to go through their own battle of life.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And more than anything else, I just think that this movie has conveyed

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[SPEAKER_00]: or not convey managed to channel and tap into something in which anyone at any given time watching the movie can identify with a theme or some symbolism in here and it helps them navigate something that they might be struggling with.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I just think that there aren't a whole lot of movie that can serve as a kind of therapy like that, that

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[SPEAKER_00]: does it with like an earnestness and an unapologeticness rather than like you should kind of feel ashamed of yourself for using this movie as like therapy.

01:06:14.708 --> 01:06:22.413
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, like it leans into it rather than trif to be embarrassed by it, but people still gravitate towards it.

01:06:22.533 --> 01:06:22.893
[SPEAKER_00]: Here we go.

01:06:25.632 --> 01:06:27.193
[SPEAKER_01]: quote, very portable movie.

01:06:27.734 --> 01:06:29.295
[SPEAKER_01]: Hello, my name is Enigo Montoya.

01:06:29.335 --> 01:06:31.316
[SPEAKER_01]: You killed my father prepared a die.

01:06:31.336 --> 01:06:34.078
[SPEAKER_01]: That's a line that exists.

01:06:35.418 --> 01:06:41.482
[SPEAKER_01]: Everybody who's watched this movie can probably call that one out inconceivable, which you mentioned at the beginning.

01:06:41.522 --> 01:06:42.603
[SPEAKER_01]: That's another one.

01:06:43.043 --> 01:06:45.005
[SPEAKER_00]: Have fun storming the castle.

01:06:46.106 --> 01:06:47.268
[SPEAKER_01]: That's a miracle max.

01:06:48.249 --> 01:06:53.935
[SPEAKER_01]: I mentioned the marriage marriage from the clergyman as you wish also.

01:06:53.955 --> 01:07:00.581
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, just really, really memorable line that people still use today.

01:07:00.762 --> 01:07:03.204
[SPEAKER_01]: And like I said, almost 40 years later.

01:07:05.186 --> 01:07:06.767
[SPEAKER_01]: Go ahead, do you want to say something?

01:07:06.827 --> 01:07:14.653
[SPEAKER_00]: No, no, I was just thinking about how fun storemen the castle and how great Billy Crystal and Carol Kane were just ad living pretty much their entire scenes.

01:07:14.813 --> 01:07:20.217
[SPEAKER_00]: Just yeah, have fun going spinal tap on the film guys.

01:07:20.237 --> 01:07:27.943
[SPEAKER_01]: So just a couple of differences in the novel and in the film, the screenplay.

01:07:28.683 --> 01:07:28.963
[SPEAKER_01]: So

01:07:30.226 --> 01:07:34.050
[SPEAKER_01]: buttercup in the book as written by Goldman.

01:07:35.192 --> 01:07:49.287
[SPEAKER_01]: Not that bright and and kind of needs to be a little bit kind of led by Wesley and in the film she does a lot of the leading.

01:07:50.312 --> 01:08:09.953
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm a little bit agenty, but that does kind of amp to your question as why she couldn't figure out the left loop with the dried pyroborax right right and maybe it was just that she was so she was so sure that he had died from whatever, you know, the legend of it, but that even if you like, wow, he barely can pass and recumb them, but it comes possibly be him.

01:08:10.234 --> 01:08:11.855
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, there's there's not even like

01:08:12.967 --> 01:08:18.115
[SPEAKER_01]: Y'all look familiar or I am drawn to you because it's like, oh, you're the bad guy.

01:08:18.135 --> 01:08:19.156
[SPEAKER_01]: You have a brother.

01:08:19.296 --> 01:08:19.897
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

01:08:19.957 --> 01:08:20.478
[SPEAKER_01]: Exactly.

01:08:21.720 --> 01:08:23.602
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, so in the in the ending.

01:08:25.144 --> 01:08:27.445
[SPEAKER_01]: in the movie, of course, happily ever after.

01:08:28.085 --> 01:08:30.687
[SPEAKER_01]: And in the novel, it's a little bit different.

01:08:30.747 --> 01:08:32.567
[SPEAKER_01]: Wesley is critically injured.

01:08:33.268 --> 01:08:34.908
[SPEAKER_01]: Humberd Inc's men are closing in.

01:08:35.729 --> 01:08:44.052
[SPEAKER_01]: And Goldman's narrator insists everything worked out while all-butted knitting, if you reclosely, that it probably didn't.

01:08:44.893 --> 01:08:50.155
[SPEAKER_01]: So there's some of that wink-wink nudge nudge and in where, you know, the grandfather

01:08:53.588 --> 01:08:55.929
[SPEAKER_01]: if you see the grandson is kind of into this thing.

01:08:57.110 --> 01:09:02.453
[SPEAKER_01]: And the grandson is like, no, of course, the good guy, the bad guy doesn't win.

01:09:02.493 --> 01:09:03.954
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, that's not how this works.

01:09:04.534 --> 01:09:08.637
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, you could fudge the ending there in the, in the, it's not like the grandson is reading it.

01:09:08.677 --> 01:09:10.217
[SPEAKER_01]: He's just listening to you tell the story.

01:09:10.278 --> 01:09:12.679
[SPEAKER_01]: So it's kind of an interesting way that they ended the book.

01:09:13.079 --> 01:09:22.004
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, the book is all about the reunification of true love and uh, true love surviving against all odds.

01:09:24.793 --> 01:09:33.397
[SPEAKER_00]: you wanted a narrative that things didn't end out like you also have an entire book that tells you an entire story that tells you's like okay true level one.

01:09:34.718 --> 01:09:47.524
[SPEAKER_01]: All right now we get to the last question here which is who in today's wrestling or mma or boxing or sports entertainment or combat sports whatever you want to call it.

01:09:48.652 --> 01:09:52.057
[SPEAKER_01]: who could possibly play Andre's part?

01:09:52.457 --> 01:09:57.184
[SPEAKER_01]: And I think there are two easy ones for current wrestlers, just because of their height alone.

01:09:58.225 --> 01:10:02.411
[SPEAKER_01]: One of those is Omas, and one of those is Satnam Singh.

01:10:03.372 --> 01:10:03.552
[SPEAKER_01]: Sure.

01:10:04.315 --> 01:10:23.290
[SPEAKER_01]: Are there anybody else who you can think of, they got to be pretty big, they have to have like that gentle, I mean, Paul White, but they'll Paul, Paul White, you know, he had, he, he doesn't have that same thickness that Andre does, but Paul White also a giant man.

01:10:26.033 --> 01:10:31.037
[SPEAKER_00]: Nobody can think of really in Japan, no one can think of a Mexico.

01:10:32.614 --> 01:10:37.879
[SPEAKER_00]: I kind of think that kind of thing and yeah, I think though for the two.

01:10:39.440 --> 01:10:51.372
[SPEAKER_01]: I would, I, it's okay, so this is only, I've spent, let me say like five minutes in the same room as Sott and I'm saying, so this is my entire experience.

01:10:51.492 --> 01:10:55.876
[SPEAKER_01]: I did not say one word to this man, I just looked at him and it was like,

01:10:57.215 --> 01:11:04.461
[SPEAKER_01]: where else can you see a person this large except in a catering backstage at a wrestling show.

01:11:05.982 --> 01:11:11.006
[SPEAKER_01]: But just by the way, he carries himself.

01:11:13.268 --> 01:11:14.829
[SPEAKER_01]: I feel like he has

01:11:19.965 --> 01:11:36.022
[SPEAKER_01]: I've never really seen him in person, a big show, he played Captain Insano, Big Show probably could do a version of it, though Big Show, like has a lot of personality at the same time,

01:11:42.803 --> 01:11:45.325
[SPEAKER_01]: soft spoken, maybe as physical would be.

01:11:45.425 --> 01:11:51.348
[SPEAKER_01]: And I think Sotton Singh probably is more like that than Big Show.

01:11:52.689 --> 01:12:06.757
[SPEAKER_00]: I tend to think that the opportunity for large men, roughly is no longer one of those primary places that they can end up being because they're they're so big, that

01:12:07.985 --> 01:12:11.508
[SPEAKER_00]: They're opportunity for them outside of that without destroying their body.

01:12:11.608 --> 01:12:18.394
[SPEAKER_00]: So I just, I don't know if those individuals are really, I guess you can kind of maybe do bronze trauma or something like that.

01:12:19.696 --> 01:12:26.562
[SPEAKER_00]: But even then, you still have to do like the tricks of filmography to really make him seem bigger than he actually is.

01:12:27.222 --> 01:12:32.968
[SPEAKER_01]: But he's super jacked, which would change the aesthetic of the character.

01:12:33.473 --> 01:12:50.918
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I mean like you got guys like him and Batista that are like getting cast for stuff like God of War, which is different than like a giant like Fedsac who's supposed to be just unbelievably strong but unbelievably dim as a result, you know.

01:12:50.938 --> 01:12:53.579
[SPEAKER_00]: That's that's not what these these roles are.

01:12:53.679 --> 01:12:58.601
[SPEAKER_00]: So I just I just think that we are in a different time and age with

01:13:04.124 --> 01:13:19.040
[SPEAKER_01]: So, you know, this movie holds up extremely well, you know, and I've watched it now probably two times in the last two years and, you know, sometimes when I rewatch movies, I'm like, I just watched that last year.

01:13:19.060 --> 01:13:21.462
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't want to watch it again, but this one I was like, you know what?

01:13:22.163 --> 01:13:25.445
[SPEAKER_01]: I actually want to know this movie better than I did the first time watching.

01:13:25.465 --> 01:13:26.326
[SPEAKER_01]: It's also so happy.

01:13:26.406 --> 01:13:28.007
[SPEAKER_01]: And I got the criterion collection.

01:13:28.387 --> 01:13:33.551
[SPEAKER_01]: If you're into the 4K, it is a pretty nice looking DVD set.

01:13:33.691 --> 01:13:38.594
[SPEAKER_01]: They're not set, but, you know, the booklet and everything that comes with it.

01:13:38.734 --> 01:13:43.157
[SPEAKER_01]: In the next time we do this, we already have our next two movies picked out.

01:13:44.238 --> 01:13:48.541
[SPEAKER_01]: The differences is that these movies are movies that have not yet come out.

01:13:52.411 --> 01:14:01.637
[SPEAKER_01]: The first one is the upcoming Street Fighter movie, starring Cody Rhodes and Roman Reigns and uh, karaoke go-do, karaoke go-do.

01:14:02.630 --> 01:14:30.753
[SPEAKER_01]: And then after that, for November, I think we're going to do I play Rocky, which is the film about the making, so Vester still and essentially making Rocky and the trials and tribulations behind that now, I have withheld really deep diving into that movie, because I kind of want to go into it, not knowing a ton, because I know Rocky like the back of my hand and so.

01:14:32.033 --> 01:14:37.957
[SPEAKER_01]: Essentially, because Rocky is going back into the theaters, like right around the time this movie comes out.

01:14:39.218 --> 01:14:51.606
[SPEAKER_01]: So it's quite possible that I will see Rocky won in the theater, and then I play Rocky, right around the same time, and you know, I'll have to do it on different days.

01:14:51.646 --> 01:14:55.408
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think I could sit there on the same day and at the theater for both.

01:14:55.869 --> 01:14:56.289
[SPEAKER_01]: Bye bye.

01:14:56.349 --> 01:14:57.490
[SPEAKER_00]: Good, but you wouldn't like it.

01:14:58.469 --> 01:15:06.774
[SPEAKER_01]: No, I just I can I can exist for my two hours with then I kind of get a little like I can do something.

01:15:07.654 --> 01:15:23.804
[SPEAKER_01]: So we got our new next to in straight fighter and the lore and all of that I'm going to definitely lean to you on on that so this will be a very Jeremy nerding out opportunity.

01:15:25.324 --> 01:15:34.907
[SPEAKER_01]: And then, you know, I think it's, I think it's, it's going to be timely because Cody and Roman have nice parts in this movie and if you watch the trailers, they are in the trailers.

01:15:34.927 --> 01:15:37.768
[SPEAKER_01]: They're very visible playing very visible characters.

01:15:37.788 --> 01:15:39.469
[SPEAKER_01]: This is really cool opportunity for them.

01:15:39.789 --> 01:15:43.010
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know how much Roman got to be in the film because of his character.

01:15:43.550 --> 01:15:48.732
[SPEAKER_00]: He might be like supporting character, you know, like 20 minute to the movie at most.

01:15:49.628 --> 01:15:53.849
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean, I don't even remember playing as a kuma.

01:15:53.869 --> 01:15:56.730
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know what version of the game that a kuma exists in.

01:15:56.890 --> 01:16:01.871
[SPEAKER_00]: It started in like the bonus version of Street Fighter 2 and then going into Street Fighter 3.

01:16:02.031 --> 01:16:02.591
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah.

01:16:02.651 --> 01:16:11.954
[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, I never even played the version of the game that a kuma exists in, but Gile was my favorite character to play as back in the day.

01:16:12.305 --> 01:16:13.806
[SPEAKER_00]: You really like the Khanic boom didn't you?

01:16:13.926 --> 01:16:18.469
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, just spamming it for some spam because it was easy.

01:16:18.529 --> 01:16:20.131
[SPEAKER_01]: That's why it was pretty easy to pull off.

01:16:20.911 --> 01:16:25.014
[SPEAKER_00]: But before we put a bow on person's bread, do you know why it was called the person's bread?

01:16:25.034 --> 01:16:27.116
[SPEAKER_01]: The I actually do.

01:16:28.637 --> 01:16:34.001
[SPEAKER_01]: When Goldman tells the story that his he asked his daughters,

01:16:35.755 --> 01:16:50.526
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm, you know, if you what story would you like to hear because he was going to write a book because he would he would tell stories to his daughters and his wife would always say you need to write these down like these are really great stories and he wouldn't write them down.

01:16:51.206 --> 01:17:02.194
[SPEAKER_01]: And so when he decided to write something he asked his daughters what would you like me to write about and one of them said a princess and one of them said a bride and he just put those two together and he came up with the story.

01:17:03.183 --> 01:17:06.146
[SPEAKER_00]: I feel like everything just kind of fell into play with the story.

01:17:06.287 --> 01:17:14.015
[SPEAKER_00]: I am called romantic in hindsight and very easy to tell like the quick bit, but it all just kind of feels like it all came together.

01:17:14.416 --> 01:17:14.676
[SPEAKER_01]: Mm-hmm.

01:17:15.157 --> 01:17:21.544
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you know, if you, if you, William Goldman has tons of books out there, so there's lots of interesting stuff.

01:17:21.564 --> 01:17:23.526
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm reading a book that he wrote in,

01:17:25.210 --> 01:17:54.277
[SPEAKER_01]: The late 70s I want to say because I think Rocky had already come out so it might be right around the time that Rocky comes out But he's talking about the movie business in the late 70s and it's like the it's like the one book that all like You know people who are really really into screenwriting and such they they always call back to So I'm reading that he's got other books about about you know the movie business and such that I'm I'm kind of picking through for for certain stories So it's kind of cool because

01:17:55.158 --> 01:18:04.511
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, you think about the movie business today and I think it's vastly different, but a lot of the principles are similar so.

01:18:05.792 --> 01:18:07.255
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I would I would agree with you on that.

01:18:07.875 --> 01:18:08.316
[SPEAKER_01]: Alrighty.

01:18:09.262 --> 01:18:09.762
[SPEAKER_01]: That is it.

01:18:09.802 --> 01:18:13.203
[SPEAKER_01]: We locked another one in and we already have our October.

01:18:13.723 --> 01:18:32.107
[SPEAKER_01]: This is technically October, but it's only because we had to postpone it a week or two for September, but we have our next October movie to do and then we have November kind of figured out and we'll we'll see about December what we want to do for December, but this is now going to be by the way.

01:18:33.127 --> 01:18:50.829
[SPEAKER_01]: in the new fiking podcast audio feed, all of our shows on our YouTube channel, we're only doing them, we're only live streaming them on YouTube except for my stuff, which is the fiking podcast take down and then this, I am

01:18:51.490 --> 01:18:57.055
[SPEAKER_01]: pulling those and putting those into the fight game podcast audio feed just because it's the stuff that I'm doing.

01:18:57.535 --> 01:19:02.499
[SPEAKER_01]: So all of our popcorn and pile drivers will exist on audio as well.

01:19:02.820 --> 01:19:03.500
[SPEAKER_01]: So there you go.

01:19:04.521 --> 01:19:07.443
[SPEAKER_00]: We live on an audio if it was meant to be.

01:19:08.444 --> 01:19:08.885
[SPEAKER_01]: All right.

01:19:09.966 --> 01:19:10.666
[SPEAKER_01]: That is it from here.

01:19:10.766 --> 01:19:12.287
[SPEAKER_01]: So for Jeremy.

01:19:13.275 --> 01:19:25.727
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm double G, appreciate everyone who was hanging out in the chat, including our friend Chris who I haven't, I mean, I talk to like on Instagram when we comment on each other's stories but I haven't seen Chris in a little while.

01:19:25.827 --> 01:19:28.590
[SPEAKER_01]: So we're going to have to make a change about that.

01:19:28.970 --> 01:19:36.658
[SPEAKER_01]: But all right, thanks to everybody, also Jeremy as well, I am double G, we will see you when we see you piece out.