AEW Full Gear Recap, UFC 334 Gane vs. Hokit | The Fight Game Podcast

0:10 [SPEAKER_01]: All right, it is time for the fight game podcast Jeremy finds tonight. [SPEAKER_01]: Just got back home from Dave Meltzer's house. [SPEAKER_01]: We were watching AEW full gear. [SPEAKER_01]: We're going to talk about that show. [SPEAKER_01]: Also, at the same time was UFC 334 from Madison Square Garden. [SPEAKER_01]: And once Jeremy and I wrap it up, Paul Fontaine is going to jump on for a few minutes to talk about the two big fights on that show. [SPEAKER_01]: I was able to kind of watch them in the background so I know everything that happened, but Paul's going to give us a little bit more detail on those fights. [SPEAKER_01]: This is like one of my favorite AEW pay-per-views that I can remember if we just fix two things.

0:57 [SPEAKER_01]: One of those things was, of course, the length. [SPEAKER_01]: Did we need the five hours as, so indulgent? [SPEAKER_02]: That's a good tower with the zero hours. [SPEAKER_01]: Six hours to zero hour. [SPEAKER_01]: And you know, if you're their live, you know, and maybe folks who were their live, [SPEAKER_01]: you know, maybe they saw enough to where they weren't tired. [SPEAKER_01]: It was on the West Coast. [SPEAKER_01]: So, you know, they're actually not technically the West Coast because the time in Arizona's kind of funky, yes, it's kind of different. [SPEAKER_01]: So, but still earlier than if it was on the East Coast. [SPEAKER_01]: And the other thing is that there was a match that was maybe I'm trying to think of what matches I've hated more than this one, which was the trio's death match.

1:41 [SPEAKER_01]: If you read them, tap click, tap match? [SPEAKER_01]: If you took away this match from this show, it may be one of my favorite paper view cards of all time, because I thought everything else was so good, but it had this match, which I really, really despised. [SPEAKER_01]: I understand wrestling can be kind of a corner copia, it can be a little bit of something for like every kind of fan. [SPEAKER_01]: So I feel comfortable in saying I really hated this match. [SPEAKER_01]: Knowing very well that some people probably thought it was their favorite match and I'm okay with that. [SPEAKER_01]: But when it comes to my taste and wrestling and what I like and I know there's going to be [SPEAKER_01]: Even though I didn't like that match, I commend the work rate.

2:31 [SPEAKER_01]: I commend how hard they worked, and I get that as well. [SPEAKER_01]: The problem is, I think the response from the live crowd was kind of up and down. [SPEAKER_01]: And I was trying to think of like what a, an example would be, it's like if you're watching a movie and you're like, you want to show the impact of like a car crash and show the car crash and like it's like devastating and it's just the crash and you're like, well, let's take it to the next to the next level and you kind of see the person in the car crash and you see the airbag blow up right in their face.

3:11 [SPEAKER_01]: And you're that's taking it to like a little bit more of an extreme level. [SPEAKER_01]: And then the next level is watching their their face bounce against the airbag. [SPEAKER_01]: And then their neck ricochet back and then their neck is crooked because they broke their neck. [SPEAKER_01]: Like show me the car crash. [SPEAKER_01]: I'm good. [SPEAKER_01]: You want to show the airbag? [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, I get it. [SPEAKER_01]: But I know where you're going. [SPEAKER_01]: I don't need to see my man's broken neck to get the picture. [SPEAKER_01]: And sometimes with these matches, I don't think we need to see [SPEAKER_01]: every sicko fantasy that these wrestlers have because we know that they're not normal people, they do this for a living. [SPEAKER_01]: They are not thinking in normal ways they're thinking of how can I top the thing that I just did.

3:56 [SPEAKER_01]: But man. [SPEAKER_01]: There was so much in there that I was would have just preferred to not have seen and there were moments where I was like, okay, I'm just going to do something else while this match is going to do some research on something, you know, then I look up and still going and then I'm like, okay, that should have been it. [SPEAKER_01]: Nope, we're going to go more because we have to go further and again, if we're going to. [SPEAKER_01]: credit the work. [SPEAKER_01]: There were some spots in this match that I thought looked really silly like we're going to start a fire in this barrel and we're going to pretend like it hit Bandito, and it clearly was like, you know, how did the fire even activate? [SPEAKER_01]: I think Creed just said, fire, right.

4:39 [SPEAKER_02]: There was no, it only went off twice. [SPEAKER_02]: It was done seemingly by control by somebody, but there was no indication of anything other than like a proximity or something. [SPEAKER_02]: So, but it just gets close enough, and I think we'll just go off. [SPEAKER_02]: It was a little and it's lookable. [SPEAKER_01]: And to just to get the rest of the negativity out of the way, so we can talk only about the positive from here on out. [SPEAKER_01]: If you're doing a match where you want to show violence in a way that gets people to go out and it can, oh my gosh, I don't want to see this and you use glass and you use thumbtails and you use drug wire and you use a window pane.

5:22 [SPEAKER_01]: you can't use an intendo power glove that sparks when you like it just doesn't fit in the same it's not congruent with what else you're trying to do in that it would fit in the anarchy in the arena match which was so much fun and I don't normally like that match [SPEAKER_01]: But that match was a blast, and I thought, you know, maybe, of course you don't have Austin Creed in that match, so you can't do it there, but like that, that would be a little bit better fitting, I think, in this like death match, you use a video game glove where there's a little bit of pyro on it, and Poor Brody King's got a cell like he's been killed. [SPEAKER_01]: So it's just [SPEAKER_01]: And you know, there's they use that little that brick in the ring and I forgot who was supposed to come close to hitting it and like they're they were nowhere near me.

6:13 [SPEAKER_01]: And you know, close to take that fall under the brick and again, I understand the work and the level and the effort and how hard that was like almost like a 40 minute match. [SPEAKER_01]: masturbatory as well. [SPEAKER_01]: Like, it's just like, I just want to show you guys how I can do all of these things because no one is telling me not to and we're going to give you all of it and it's like, okay, like, then you're kind of doing it for yourself and I'm not into that as much, but for those who liked it, I get it, I just, this was like my least favorite match of the year.

6:56 [SPEAKER_02]: Your two criticisms are by two criticism and they kind of dovetail in with each other in a lot of ways. [SPEAKER_02]: For better or for worse, both of the ideas, the length of this show, sit-cours, and this Tensets Deathmatch Shreos, are for the thickos, are for the absolute die-hards that like live and breathe AEW, and [SPEAKER_02]: I applaud Tony Con for giving people their money who are through these paper fields, but there's also the sense that he might believe that absolutely no one has any other plans whatsoever on a Saturday in the middle of November, and it's just like, brother, no, like some people have jobs, some people have like, go to church in the morning, there are, there are things that you need to keep in mind so that people can, [SPEAKER_02]: appreciate this.

7:49 [SPEAKER_02]: And so the length, I think we got to that tree of match. [SPEAKER_02]: And I looked at the clock and we're at 40 minutes on this match. [SPEAKER_02]: And I was like, oh, we're going to be here a while tonight and out. [SPEAKER_02]: I was a little disappointed at the same time, like I can't be upset when we get so much good wrestling and these are like the bread and butter of what AEW produces. [SPEAKER_02]: And as for the triathlete itself, man, how many times could you honestly say that AEW needed to put a graphic content warning before a match, given like everything that they do, like the old fashion like black, [SPEAKER_02]: Black background, big white stamp letters, caution, graphic violets, all of these things.

8:32 [SPEAKER_02]: Because that click this was, even beyond what you're supposed to see in a Japanese death match or like a hardcore match, I think like this truth just a lot piled upon a lot more. [SPEAKER_02]: And then when you thought that you had enough, they piled more on it. [SPEAKER_02]: And I think they do maybe one or two tests of death matches a year. [SPEAKER_02]: And that's way, that could not for me. [SPEAKER_02]: I am totally fine with that. [SPEAKER_02]: I'm with you. [SPEAKER_02]: I thought the rest of the show was fantastic. [SPEAKER_02]: I just looked at that match. [SPEAKER_02]: I'm like, indulgent, master of the story, all the things that you want to say. [SPEAKER_02]: Like, to me, the one takeaway that I had is that the new level, [SPEAKER_02]: has done everything as to them to be accepted by the AEW company and the AEW audience.

9:25 [SPEAKER_02]: And there should be absolutely no stink of them being from WWE from here on out, because they are all in on the vision of what they're supposed to be doing here and more power too. [SPEAKER_01]: Hey, my hope. [SPEAKER_01]: is that they got it out of their system. [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, right. [SPEAKER_02]: They deserve to take it hang and they don't need to have the proven anymore. [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, and let me tell you why because I think their value to AEW is more in growth than it is in appeasing the hardcore fans because they have a level of notoriety because of how long they were at WWE [SPEAKER_01]: And they can utilize that with the current public that doesn't really know that AEW is even a thing right because AEW does need to continue to grow to and I feel like the more they do stuff like what they did tonight kind of goes against their value to the company, which is in maybe attracting [SPEAKER_01]: younger folks though.

10:38 [SPEAKER_01]: If I had anybody maybe under 12 who wanted to watch the show, I'd probably be a little bit worried about it. [SPEAKER_02]: I don't even think that's the case. [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, look at it like this. [SPEAKER_02]: The new day. [SPEAKER_02]: got big 10 years ago. [SPEAKER_02]: So if you had the eight, 10, 12 year olds growing along with new day all then 10 year later you got the 18, 20, 22 year olds that have grown along with them and now they're in AEW. [SPEAKER_02]: They're [SPEAKER_02]: They're wrestling a more adult style, like they're traded a little more seriously. [SPEAKER_02]: Their childhood heroes are growing with an audience that grew up with them, and it's a really unique scenario because there aren't a whole lot of teams that can claim that they have that, you know, at marketed to our children and then aging into an adult audience along with their own fan base.

11:32 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, but you're missing a small piece of this, [SPEAKER_01]: those people who, and let's see, let's say they're even older. [SPEAKER_01]: Let's see, let's say that they're in their 30s. [SPEAKER_01]: Those people are having kids. [SPEAKER_02]: Yes. [SPEAKER_01]: And those kids are probably very young. [SPEAKER_01]: And so this AEW product is not geared for them. [SPEAKER_01]: It's not geared for them. [SPEAKER_01]: And I don't think it should be by the way, I do, I do not think they should copy WWE. [SPEAKER_01]: That is not what I'm saying. [SPEAKER_01]: No. [SPEAKER_01]: they can tone down some of that stuff and make it a little bit more appeasable for a younger fan base. [SPEAKER_01]: But, you know, we have friends who have young kids and, you know, I know John the Rock has like, not happy and brother.

12:19 [SPEAKER_01]: I have to wait until my entire family goes to sleep before I watch AEW, just because I know the violence show him self beforehand before he can set it for a kid. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so, that is the thing. [SPEAKER_01]: I don't want you all part of it. [SPEAKER_02]: He doesn't love AEW that much, so I get it. [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, let's talk about the main event because Kyle Fletcher and Will Osprey had a fantastic match. [SPEAKER_01]: They followed anarchy in the arena, which was like we said a whole lot of fun, but it was a whole lot of everything, right? [SPEAKER_01]: There were so many things in that match. [SPEAKER_01]: So the main event to the show, Will Osprey gets his fantastic entrance. [SPEAKER_01]: Kyle Fletcher gets his fantastic entrance. [SPEAKER_01]: And very early on, this crowd has decided [SPEAKER_01]: that they are into Kyle Fletcher at least the vocal ones are a little bit more into Kyle Fletcher than into Will Osprey.

13:07 [SPEAKER_01]: And I was trying to think of why. [SPEAKER_01]: And it was the cool fan mentality. [SPEAKER_01]: Well, what I was thinking was they're like, okay, we've sat through this entire thing. [SPEAKER_01]: What would top this moment? [SPEAKER_01]: Hmm. [SPEAKER_01]: What about a world title change? [SPEAKER_01]: Like that would be amazing to kind of top our night. [SPEAKER_01]: but up but Kyle was fantastic so if you even though he is a dirty heel he is a cheating heel he was he was over with that crowd and I think will will has is going to have the same issues that every baby face has when they're the champ which is you kind of become a little uncool and the [SPEAKER_01]: Cody doesn't get cheered today, you know, Randy Orton is getting cheered over Cody.

14:04 [SPEAKER_01]: Somebody on, I think it was Ebu on Twitter said, is this Sean Michaels 96? [SPEAKER_01]: And I was like, well, I don't think so because we'll Oscar is not going to pitch a fit in the locker room after the match, just because he got booed. [SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, that was a very interesting part of the main event was just the fact that the fans at least live wanted to see Kyle win this title. [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, if not a case of if Fletcher went to that World Title, boring, unforeseen circumstances and worst case scenarios, that dude is going to be belated by Tony Colin at some point in the career and everyone is going to everyone [SPEAKER_02]: With that main event, I have talked repeatedly throughout the course of our conversations about world champions and whether it's the quest for the title or the story after they get the title.

15:06 [SPEAKER_02]: And for Will, it very much seems that Tony caught it unloading the clip and it's both, you know, like he is systematically putting will operate up against the most viable contenders, the top challengers, you know, walking out the door tonight mjf is the one that come after [SPEAKER_02]: Kyle Fletcher is the neck challenger for Will Osprey and it's not like the hangman run where he's wrestling land torture and saving time for Adam Cole and all that like, you guys are top guys that are being pitted against Will Osprey and Will Osprey of beating all of them. [SPEAKER_02]: The positioning of Will in this promotion is Tippy-Top Superstar level aura.

15:54 [SPEAKER_02]: And when that gets put in the audience's face, there is a natural predisposition to push back against that. [SPEAKER_02]: You know, there are, they're like, no. [SPEAKER_02]: We really like that guy, but maybe we don't want that. [SPEAKER_02]: And so you get that a little bit of pushback. [SPEAKER_02]: And you see a guy like Kyle Fletcher, he's four. [SPEAKER_02]: He's everything that you think a pro-rethor should be. [SPEAKER_02]: And he's just doing these great moves. [SPEAKER_02]: He's got these fatesholes and his motivation going into it. [SPEAKER_02]: You can kind of see and all these things. [SPEAKER_02]: You're coming together like, yeah, yeah, all right. [SPEAKER_02]: And [SPEAKER_02]: Before the match even started like I told you I think there's a wide range of outcomes to this between this being like the best match of the year and simply just being a very good above average match.

16:44 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't think there are any other outcomes below that. [SPEAKER_02]: And I don't know who were raped, but it was a tremendous match. [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know if they could have a better match at this point in their careers, but I felt like they put everything out there on that match and tried to give, give each other as much as they could to make each other look good. [SPEAKER_01]: I think they smartly started very slow, because of all the things that the fans have seen. [SPEAKER_01]: And so you kind of drawing the fans into it, knowing that you're gonna speed it up. [SPEAKER_01]: And I wouldn't even call it a mattress super crazy high spots, like it was pretty good psychology-wise.

17:27 [SPEAKER_01]: And you know, the finish was fantastic. [SPEAKER_01]: They did something in the finish that, [SPEAKER_01]: countered my least favorite thing in wrestling right now I wouldn't say it's my least it's in the top five. [SPEAKER_01]: When the person who's about to lose kind of puts their hands behind their back they're on their knees and they're like just do it just kill me already as if that's like a tough guy thing or something right. [SPEAKER_01]: Jack Perry does it. [SPEAKER_01]: I think Ron Braker did it against Seth Rollins It's it happened. [SPEAKER_01]: It's happened a lot in wrestling and so Kyle Fletcher does it and he's like I hate you I hate you so much.

18:07 [SPEAKER_01]: It starts mfing him and everything and so will's like all right here comes hidden blade Kyle can see it coming though [SPEAKER_01]: And he will he actually reverse will twice once he reversed him into a small package and then on this time he reversed him into a backslide and I was like [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, finally, somebody outsmart, you know, outsmarts that thing or uses that in a psychological way. [SPEAKER_01]: And it was a great near fall. [SPEAKER_01]: I sort of knew it was coming because I think we were like a minute behind because Dave had to do the thing where he had to restart the stopwatch and everything right. [SPEAKER_02]: And then we'll get over yet.

18:48 [SPEAKER_01]: And the match was an over but I was in our discord and then I saw the I saw the spot like a few minutes a few seconds before and I was like okay I know it's coming and it was just fantastic and then finally will did win with the Tiger Driver but it was a great ending sequence. [SPEAKER_01]: Kyle also hit the brainbuster on the turn buckle for a two then he took the turn buckle pad off [SPEAKER_01]: And he was going to do it again, but the referee kind of got in the way there and he wanted to push the rough and it allowed will to get out of it. [SPEAKER_01]: So just some really, really cool stuff. [SPEAKER_01]: And when you and when it's on a show where they like, we had we literally had two kitchen sink matches on the same show, right?

19:36 [SPEAKER_01]: We didn't just have one. [SPEAKER_01]: We had two. [SPEAKER_01]: So the fans had seen [SPEAKER_01]: almost everything there was to see and those guys still were able to be creative and still able to do things to where the fans did not see it coming. [SPEAKER_01]: So kudos to both of those dudes. [SPEAKER_01]: That's not that match was awesome. [SPEAKER_02]: I think they're actually three hit and played counters because of the beginning of the match we'll win for another one and Kyle makes a good show for them. [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, we'll throw them. [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it was like, oh, yeah. [SPEAKER_01]: And then there was the one where Kyle fell. [SPEAKER_01]: Like he was fell from exhaustion. [SPEAKER_01]: Right. [SPEAKER_01]: Right. [SPEAKER_01]: Like this, almost. [SPEAKER_02]: The Jay White maneuver in, I like to call it. [SPEAKER_02]: This won't be the last match they have. [SPEAKER_02]: This probably won't be the best match they ever have.

20:18 [SPEAKER_02]: And that's really hated something. [SPEAKER_02]: Will and Kyle are both probably only just going to get better and watching the growth, both of those guys have had from the match they had two years ago is probably going to blow everyone away. [SPEAKER_02]: And even the growth that Will had from leaving New Japan to being in the main event seen now is just he wasn't wrestling this style. [SPEAKER_02]: He was wrestling a different kind of match [SPEAKER_02]: way out in Newt Japan constantly, even in a single batches. [SPEAKER_02]: And what I really appreciated this was we had the anarchy in the arena match and we may have had more run-in than there were people actually in the match.

21:09 [SPEAKER_02]: And then you got to the main event and there was not a single run in. [SPEAKER_02]: There was not a single interference spot. [SPEAKER_02]: There was no one else that got involved in that match. [SPEAKER_02]: The entirety of that match was will and Kyle with their seconds around for inside. [SPEAKER_02]: Nobody really got involved. [SPEAKER_02]: It was all right down the line. [SPEAKER_02]: And I really respected that creative decision to refrain from being indulgent in that aspect. [SPEAKER_01]: my favorite shot camera shot of this matches right kiles pinning will and they shoot it kind of from the top but they're shooting it at an angle because uh... will's uh... united empire team so it was a great buster in the corner and he tried to go for the pin and they had from an upper shot right and they're all looking [SPEAKER_01]: So it's his wife, it's Jamie and it's speed ball and you see the desperation on their faces and when will kicks out they just do though like it was it was it was amazing like stuff like that.

22:16 [SPEAKER_01]: That adds it it makes it feel like you're watching something important right now a little bit I shot and you get a shot like that right so all right let's let's start from the beginning we'll go through the. [SPEAKER_01]: the tailgate stuff quickly. [SPEAKER_01]: So, opener was Jack Perry and Beast Mortos, Jack Perry. [SPEAKER_01]: He's on his way to face Samoa Joe, which I think is happening on Dynamite this week. [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, he did the, the knee and then he decided not to pin more of that and they got him in the corner gave them up the butcher and then proceeded to talk a lot of trash to smoke Joe basically calling him out and that was essentially it and he's probably losing yes Wardlow L. clone Kevin night, uh, [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, wait.

23:18 [SPEAKER_02]: No, it was the first three, and they were, they were, they came out with the party party by a glance archer. [SPEAKER_02]: And on this, the true of team was the same true of team from collision, uh, Wardlow, clone, and Kevin Knight, and they got another archery of match. [SPEAKER_01]: Jayden Moore, RJ Wilde and Jordan Cruz were the, [SPEAKER_01]: Murdered with the challengers there in this match. [SPEAKER_02]: Good Aber. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, boom and doom. [SPEAKER_01]: Big boom AJ and QT and sky flight Matt Sidel and Jerry Spartan versus Lance Archer, Josh Alexander and Pungy Vice. [SPEAKER_01]: So the guys who were just out there. [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, they it all just spilled right over the match ended and then like big boom AJ and all those guys who ran down to the ring, the next match started and literally just said right into each other.

24:06 [SPEAKER_01]: and AJ hit the power boom and Matt side L shooting star press. [SPEAKER_01]: Darius made the cover. [SPEAKER_01]: Who do they pin? [SPEAKER_02]: Uh, I want to say Rocky, Rocky. [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_01]: And then Queen I'm an honor versus sky blue versus high-end versus Persephone with Dr. Britt. [SPEAKER_02]: Overcuted expectations. [SPEAKER_01]: And I'm a not a who did I'm a lot of pin. [SPEAKER_02]: Really good sequence near the end of the match when it came [SPEAKER_02]: sky blue we're fighting on the outside sky blue look, particularly good.

24:52 [SPEAKER_02]: Almanada came back in and basically just through chairs at the faces of both of those people really good to see what's back in fourth. [SPEAKER_02]: Percephany and Maya get in the ring. [SPEAKER_02]: Maya get a high end not Maya. [SPEAKER_02]: High end gets the upper hand. [SPEAKER_02]: Almanada gets back in the ring. [SPEAKER_02]: kills Hion, gives her a finisher with the match, but really strong back after the match. [SPEAKER_01]: Alright, and I am using my guy Ryan Howard's recap from F4W. [SPEAKER_01]: I want to shout him out because he does an amazing job and we also go back and forth about movies on litterbox, so [SPEAKER_02]: Okay, that will match but it up right up to the very end of the zero hour and then we went to the main show [SPEAKER_01]: So I got here.

25:45 [SPEAKER_01]: I got to the show right as the, I think the video package for the paper you started. [SPEAKER_01]: Kuzuchko Kata versus Adam Copeland for the International title, kind of a slow match. [SPEAKER_01]: And I don't know that it ever really got into, you know, what someone would consider like a fourth gear or something. [SPEAKER_01]: But the story of the match was that Okata was playing [SPEAKER_01]: She can shit heel very humorously and he kind of beat Adam Copeland convincingly there was a moment in the match where Copeland goes for spear, uh, Ocada goes to the outside.

26:28 [SPEAKER_01]: Callis starts messing with Copeland and then he goes after Ocada who's on the apron to spear him again. [SPEAKER_01]: But this time, Alcada had his international title up against him. [SPEAKER_01]: So basically, Copeland spears the title, then Alcada hits an impaler, DDT off the apron onto the exposed concrete. [SPEAKER_01]: So Alcada's playing around with whether it's countout or whatever. [SPEAKER_01]: And then just hits him with a, just brings him in the ring, hits him with a rainmaker, wins a match, coping struggles to his feet. [SPEAKER_01]: All of a sudden, oh, God shows up at a nowhere.

27:11 [SPEAKER_01]: It's another one, and he just leaves Copeland Lang. [SPEAKER_01]: So, I'm so sorry, like the crowd basically turned to cut a baby face by the end of that match. [SPEAKER_02]: It vaguely, vaguely suddenly kind of racist, like caricature of Japanese heel, but, [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, God, it doesn't so well. [SPEAKER_02]: Like, if he's perfect at it, I don't, I'm very conflicted about the whole thing. [SPEAKER_02]: I'll be honest. [SPEAKER_01]: You're conflicted because he's playing in the stereotype.

27:54 [SPEAKER_01]: As a Japanese man. [SPEAKER_02]: Like, I know it's supposed to be offensive, but like, it almost like they know the joke and they're doing it because they're on the joke. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_01]: So later in the show, Mick Foley goes into Adam Copeland's dressing room. [SPEAKER_01]: And Foley and Copeland obviously have a history together. [SPEAKER_01]: And Foley tries to make this like serious. [SPEAKER_01]: So the way he makes it serious is he's like, you know what, putting this microphone down. [SPEAKER_01]: I'm just going to have a conversation with my old friend. [SPEAKER_01]: This is another thing I hate about wrestling.

28:36 [SPEAKER_01]: We the fans are supposed to believe that when Mick Foley puts the microphone down, that that changes anything because we can hear him exactly the same without the microphone. [SPEAKER_01]: So why do you even need it in the first place? [SPEAKER_01]: I hate when they do this. [SPEAKER_01]: It happens on bullshows and it's so dumb anyways. [SPEAKER_02]: Like why are you miced? [SPEAKER_02]: Naturally and don't need a micing at you mic anyways. [SPEAKER_01]: If Mick puts down the microphone and all we hear is the boom audio, that would make sense to me because you still hear something. [SPEAKER_01]: It's just not as clear.

29:16 [SPEAKER_02]: It's not the clear audio that you get from a microphone and proximity. [SPEAKER_02]: It's how it would sound if you weren't listening on a conversation. [SPEAKER_01]: So has conversation with Copeland and he's just like I'm worried about your man. [SPEAKER_01]: I've never seen you like this. [SPEAKER_01]: Like essentially saying like, [SPEAKER_01]: I've never seen you get wasted like this in a match before if you got handled and Copeland is like well When I took this match, I wanted to get some answers and I think I got those answers Yeah, so [SPEAKER_01]: we know that he's retiring this year and we know that he just caused Will Osprey and his team to lose blood and guts we can have to go.

30:11 [SPEAKER_01]: And now the story is that he's the old man who [SPEAKER_01]: maybe can't win matches anymore and so he's got to build up and come back and find the eye of the tiger or whatever it is or do some planks or something I hope so like it's an interesting story like a very interesting story but for the dream match crowd I think they're a little disappointed in his match. [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, you, I, I came into this match like I never thought I'd want to see Oh, God, ever since Copeland, but now that it's happening, I'm here for it. [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_02]: And when that match started, everybody was here for it. [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, they realized that they saw some, they were going to see something that never in their wildest dreams that they think this match was going to be made.

30:55 [SPEAKER_02]: And that psycho-path Tony Colin decided he was going to do this match. [SPEAKER_02]: And [SPEAKER_02]: to be honest, it's pretty much exactly the match they should have had. [SPEAKER_02]: You know, O'Connor with his slow pace and Copeland with his cardio is probably a good match at this point in their career. [SPEAKER_02]: And so I thought the match was more of a plot device to set Copeland in the direction that he is going to be going in, meanwhile keeping O'Connor strong for the continental class that they'd be probably going to be in. [SPEAKER_02]: uh starting tomorrow and I think if title will be up for grabs in some way shape reform and kind of forgotten how that all works but it complicated and committee on the internet will probably explain it to me and make me feel really dumb about it with that said.

31:44 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm not sure if Copeland is just going to turn into the heel who ruined everyone's matches because he saves that like he needs to be their dad and needs to save them from themselves or if he is going to like you said find the eye of the tiger and just turn into like the monster wrestler that like he used to be and he figured out that he needs to be ruthless to do it. [SPEAKER_01]: Both are interesting. [SPEAKER_01]: but I don't know what structure I think we're getting the old guy needing this last run to be meaningful and he's going to find some inspiration maybe it's because of Christian who knows you know the one thing I didn't like about that promo like by the way, I like to the promo where Copeland basically told us pretty shut up and listen like I'm I'm the vet here he has this conversation with the box [SPEAKER_01]: uh... steep boarden uh... i don't think derby was in there was derby in there derby to the room i think yeah okay so he's talking all these guys and saying how you know i've i've lived this life and i know what the injuries are and you guys i you guys don't need to do this you know you guys need to be a little smarter and i i don't know if it was the very next segment but it was not that much longer or a lot much later in the show [SPEAKER_01]: bandito and brody and hang me and talking about killing the other team.

33:07 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm like, why do you have the coverage with these guys? [SPEAKER_01]: They're the ones who are going to destroy themselves on Saturday. [SPEAKER_01]: So he can't grill it. [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, now next was the young bucks versus Davidson Doyle in the story of this match was the young bucks were going to take everything these dudes had and still find a way to win because they are the young bucks and that's what happened near the end of the match. [SPEAKER_01]: There was a moment where Nick Jackson was supposed to be power bombed onto the table on a table outside the barricade. [SPEAKER_01]: and I don't think this was what was supposed to happen, but I think it was Jake Doyle, had Nick up.

33:55 [SPEAKER_01]: And he went to slam him on the table, but the lower back of Nick Jackson slammed onto the barricade. [SPEAKER_01]: So it looked like he was almost broken in half. [SPEAKER_01]: And I was like, oh man, if this dude had, if this dude has to be a part of the finish of this match, it's even going to be able to get up. [SPEAKER_01]: Like that's what I was thinking. [SPEAKER_01]: So Matt's in the ring. [SPEAKER_01]: It's got to fight off both of these dudes. [SPEAKER_01]: He takes a pile driver. [SPEAKER_01]: He kicks out. [SPEAKER_01]: And he being the smart baby face wrestler that he is, he finds his way maneuvering out, he even gets a near fall. [SPEAKER_01]: but the big man catches him again, gets him up for power bomb.

34:38 [SPEAKER_01]: And the way that this was shot, like I would have liked to see a different shot, because I don't, I understand the idea they wanted to shoot it to where it looked like Nick kind of came out of nowhere. [SPEAKER_01]: But what Nick did is he jumped off the top rope and kind of pushed his brother. [SPEAKER_01]: And so his brother's momentum kind of escaped this movie and he was able to roll up. [SPEAKER_02]: Doyle. [SPEAKER_02]: He's not getting pinned in this way. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I didn't think he pinned Davis. [SPEAKER_01]: And the young bucks kept titles. [SPEAKER_01]: And Davis and Doyle losing [SPEAKER_01]: I know some people are going to have a problem with that. [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, you know, you have these big monsters, and you haven't used to, I figured the box were winning this match because motor study machine guns were coming out, and I don't know if I wanted to see the motor city machine guns in Dave's toy though, it would have been another, it would have been a version of this match, right?

35:33 [SPEAKER_01]: But Dave's in toy would have won that match. [SPEAKER_01]: So they win the match, motor city machine guns come out. [SPEAKER_01]: And then who comes out? [SPEAKER_01]: After the motor city machine guns, none other than the former Creed brothers, who are now the Casper brothers, yeah. [SPEAKER_02]: I got their real last name, I think. [SPEAKER_02]: Okay. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_01]: So the Casper brothers are now in AEW and they came out and they attacked the young books. [SPEAKER_01]: Then FTR came out. [SPEAKER_01]: Or maybe the other way around, I don't remember exactly what which way, but Casper came out. [SPEAKER_02]: Motorcy machine gun came up first, they congratulated the young books.

36:14 [SPEAKER_02]: Then the Casper brothers came out and there was a little bit of jaw jacking and then FTR came out and they all got into each other's faces and then FTR kind of circled around the Casper brothers and immediately jumped the young bucks meanwhile the Casper brother jumped it. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so there's some stuff going on here. [SPEAKER_01]: I was surprised. [SPEAKER_01]: I did not know if the former Creed brothers would necessarily fit in AEW, but I like it. [SPEAKER_01]: I like I wonder how much of this is an opportunity for AEW to go. [SPEAKER_01]: You guys screwed these dudes up. [SPEAKER_01]: They're really good and we're going to show you how good they are.

36:55 [SPEAKER_02]: Well, you remember the conversation that we're had about potentially, like, find somebody from NFT and staffing them from WWE and bringing them into AEW. [SPEAKER_01]: That's Dave Dave's whole dream was Kendall Gray. [SPEAKER_01]: Right. [SPEAKER_02]: How close is this? [SPEAKER_02]: Right? [SPEAKER_02]: Like, this is pretty adjacent to that where they didn't really get a shot. [SPEAKER_02]: on their main roster. [SPEAKER_02]: So like they might get WWE main roster sting, but their biggest, their biggest time was with Stokey had with the way and Roder strong on in the diamond mine, right? [SPEAKER_02]: And so I couldn't remember that name for the longest time, and it just hit me right there, and I'm sorry.

37:38 [SPEAKER_02]: So they're, they're a little bit there, and they even played into it with Stokey being really excited to see them in the ring and playing into that. [SPEAKER_02]: And I just, I kind of liked [SPEAKER_02]: that everyone kind of knew that these guys had history before they came here, you know? [SPEAKER_02]: They, they, they do have a good job of not actually saying WWE, but making it clear that these guys came from somewhere and they have something, and there are a reason there are an AEW map. [SPEAKER_02]: And I think it's interesting. [SPEAKER_01]: All right, we already talked about the trio's Texas death, but I'll say, I want to say one thing which is, [SPEAKER_01]: Whenever they get to Swerve and Hangman, I am probably not going to be all that interested in that match.

38:22 [SPEAKER_01]: Sure. [SPEAKER_01]: But, whenever those guys face off, the crowd goes wild for them. [SPEAKER_01]: And here's another thing that I would say is a demerit for this match, which is the first time that they kind of met by themselves. [SPEAKER_01]: instead of doing the wild brawl that the fans would have went crazy for. [SPEAKER_01]: They decided to staple each other with staple guns. [SPEAKER_01]: With staple or guns, it looked like the dumbest thing ever to me, like why would anybody do that in a match? [SPEAKER_01]: Like you're just going to let someone put a staple in you like five times.

39:06 [SPEAKER_02]: And I felt an oldament when they hit each other, like please stop. [SPEAKER_01]: but then they put those guns down and they started to brawl and the fans were going crazy for the brawl and they didn't really know what to do during the stable. [SPEAKER_01]: So I thought that was also a miss on in that match. [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, you're all wrong. [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, so I don't think anything we mentioned the final because Strickland and the new day are the new level, are the new trio's champions. [SPEAKER_01]: So, [SPEAKER_01]: The hangar, hangar was doing some dead man or some buck shots. [SPEAKER_01]: So he hits one on Swar, hits another on Swar, goes to the last one, Swar picks up a chair and Swar throws the chair at him as he was going for the third one.

40:00 [SPEAKER_01]: Strickland hit him so obviously the death match with their counting so they get to nine and it looks like Adam's like almost up And then Strickland hits him with the house call and he goes back down and it's ten in the matches over another problem I had with this was Why didn't that stop the count? [SPEAKER_01]: Not that I wanted to see this match go any longer because I was good with this match being a logical it right out the window in the match so I don't know did you know that they they I don't mean to be like difficult about it, but [SPEAKER_02]: The whole match was designed to appeal to the crowd of AEW that I don't vibe with and I know that they probably They're going to aspect of the internet.

40:46 [SPEAKER_02]: They're going to aspect of our discourse or of our discord that is all about what they saw in this match Yes, let it go for me. [SPEAKER_01]: No, I'm with you. [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, so the next match [SPEAKER_01]: was were I think we're creating money and no it was the brawling birds versus Rathlander. [SPEAKER_01]: So Samojo doesn't interview and it was you know in in Samojo very calm yet scary man voice and he's talking about his jungle boy match on dynamite. [SPEAKER_01]: He says can choke him out.

41:29 [SPEAKER_01]: And then it was the Brawling Bird against Wrathlander. [SPEAKER_01]: There was a video package with Wrathlander. [SPEAKER_01]: They were trying to do some ideas for their entrance. [SPEAKER_01]: It was silly Billy gun suggested pyro, they said shut the F up Billy and he said and then they said he pisses them off and then they said the word piss, as if that was an idea that they were going to utilize for their entrance, not sure, really worried it that I don't know, but I got really worried about what the country is going to be [SPEAKER_01]: So then Tony Khan came in and was like, hey, ladies, video packages over your music is going to play.

42:15 [SPEAKER_01]: So let's go. [SPEAKER_01]: That was basically they just did it because they needed to stall time to clean up the ring. [SPEAKER_01]: So the match, I'd say on the main card, if you're talking about actual, [SPEAKER_01]: In ring, good or bad, this match was not bad in any way. [SPEAKER_01]: But if someone said that, you know, on a night of great matches, this was maybe the least great, I would, I would be okay with that. [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_01]: At the same time, I would watch this match a hundred times before I would watch Texas death again. [SPEAKER_01]: So we had new champs, by the way, Rathlender, beat the brawling birds. [SPEAKER_01]: Right, you know, a little bit of a surprise, you know, I would say again, if you're going to like look at who was like the pastor, the worst wrestler on the show.

43:05 [SPEAKER_01]: The Harley Cameron is probably the worst wrestler on the show, but she didn't do anything bad. [SPEAKER_01]: Maybe a little slow on a couple of reversal spots, but I thought she looked okay. [SPEAKER_01]: And the finish is that the birds, they hit Stattlander with the, like I think it's like a double clothes line, they miss their finish. [SPEAKER_01]: Harley pulled Jamie Hater outside and Stattlander hit the Saturday night fever to win the titles and the birds shook their hands. [SPEAKER_01]: I imagine we're going to get a rematch because. [SPEAKER_01]: it was kind of a, you know, a clean finish, but also one in which it didn't seem like this feud was over felt like, okay, we'll probably get another match at some point.

43:53 [SPEAKER_01]: So, uh, and I'm fine with it, because I thought it was completely fine and uh, good enough on a show like this to where it did not seem out of place at all. [SPEAKER_02]: Harvey Cameron has improved to a point where I don't think [SPEAKER_02]: being in a tag match like this, like she hit all her spots, her plays everything just seemed like it was where it needed to be for her development and the rain and more power to her. [SPEAKER_02]: I do look at this team though and they kind of have this, I don't know, like weird tenacious do you kind of energy about them? [SPEAKER_02]: We're enthusiastic.

44:34 [SPEAKER_02]: You know what I mean? [SPEAKER_02]: Like it's just like they're silly, but part of their appeal is like the silly seriousness. [SPEAKER_02]: They're going to beat you up, but they're going to make you laugh along the way. [SPEAKER_02]: And that isn't really made of an energy. [SPEAKER_02]: And so I'm kind of looking at it like who's going to take the phone call for them? [SPEAKER_02]: And like, is it going to be divine domain? [SPEAKER_02]: Is this how divine domain gets the bounce back? [SPEAKER_02]: Is this going to be taqla and Julia Hart, you know? [SPEAKER_02]: Like, where is this going? [SPEAKER_02]: Because this does not seem like a tag team that's going to be holding the belts in dominance for the next four months. [SPEAKER_02]: You know what I mean? [SPEAKER_02]: Like it just feels like, if fun and like a surprise as this is, I feel like this is leading to someone else getting the bounce.

45:23 [SPEAKER_01]: uh... okay we had illidragon often is first eight w match against muscle champa he did not disappoint this was a really good match it was a match that was [SPEAKER_01]: The place of the match kind of meant we were not going to get the best version of whatever their match was like it was good. [SPEAKER_01]: I was happy that we didn't need another 25 minute match on this show, but it feels like they have they probably have one or two in them still left, but it was a really good match. [SPEAKER_01]: They both sold. [SPEAKER_01]: body part injuries, dragon off.

46:03 [SPEAKER_01]: I think one of them was his arm. [SPEAKER_01]: Um, and uh, when he finally hit that H bomb, what does he call that move now? [SPEAKER_02]: I don't even know. [SPEAKER_01]: It was the H bomb and in WWE, but he changed the name. [SPEAKER_01]: I was like, yes, I missed that dude. [SPEAKER_01]: And shampoo was awesome. [SPEAKER_01]: You know, he did a he kind of promo after saying, you know, I've ever got what [SPEAKER_02]: I'm not going away. [SPEAKER_02]: I'm winning the continental class. [SPEAKER_02]: I'll take out. [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yeah, he even named guys. [SPEAKER_02]: So John Ballsley, like I'm I'm I'm not going away kind of thing and you know the energy that he had from the day one that you've come in here he He has by force made people recognize it.

46:50 [SPEAKER_02]: You're I mean like he came out of WWE and it was oh Tom Balls to chop a that's nice in AEW [SPEAKER_02]: Brother, every single match that he had, it's just been one of those, yeah, this is where he blocked. [SPEAKER_02]: You know what I mean? [SPEAKER_02]: Like, he just, he probably is going to wrestle until the wheel fell off and then he'll end up being injured for like eight months as a result of it, but the way he's been doing it, but been a ride. [SPEAKER_02]: up until that point. [SPEAKER_01]: It is called the debom, by the way. [SPEAKER_01]: Okay. [SPEAKER_01]: And so they did this spot right for the finish where they just start slapping the hell out of each other in the face. [SPEAKER_01]: Um, and then go wild. [SPEAKER_01]: And then Chalpe had a knee lift.

47:31 [SPEAKER_01]: Um, and then, and then, and then that's when dragging off at the power bomb and then the debom and a new champion. [SPEAKER_02]: a lot of the match was dragging off selling his wrist and like making that the focus of the match which kind of took away from the pure competitive like who's the better man and instead it became dragging off trying to overcome the injury in the pain in order to win the his first title in the first night. [SPEAKER_01]: All right, Mercedes Monet and Marina Schaffier, I want to get to the finish because I thought the finish was so smart. [SPEAKER_01]: But they kind of screwed it up. [SPEAKER_01]: Like, and maybe it's the only part of the match that I thought that they missed on because I think the fear was that Marina, you know, it was a spotlight for her.

48:15 [SPEAKER_01]: She's not really a single's wrestler to the same level and it was a good opportunity for her. [SPEAKER_01]: She was with everything. [SPEAKER_01]: Mercedes was awesome. [SPEAKER_01]: Mercedes sold like hell. [SPEAKER_01]: Mercedes has that fear face really well and there were moments in the match where they wanted you to think that Marina was going to win and the crowd was totally with Marina in this match. [SPEAKER_01]: They really wanted her to win this match. [SPEAKER_01]: So I thought that was really good for her. [SPEAKER_01]: But I want to mention the finish because [SPEAKER_01]: The part of what makes Marina is that people know that she's kind of legit, right?

49:05 [SPEAKER_01]: Judo, she's fought MMA even if her career in MMA was not great. [SPEAKER_01]: She basically, she couldn't take a punch was her problem. [SPEAKER_01]: but there's a legitimacy to her. [SPEAKER_01]: And as you get to the finish, I'm like, think, okay, she's gonna tap out, like in real life, like she would never tap out to Mercedes, like she would quickly tap Mercedes out in real life. [SPEAKER_01]: So how are they gonna do this? [SPEAKER_01]: Well, they did this finish where [SPEAKER_01]: uh... they were near the ropes um... and uh... so marina's got the got the brutalizer crowds going crazy Mercedes rolls through it and she's getting the pin but the whole key is for her to get her foot on the ropes so that you show the crowd [SPEAKER_01]: that Marina got screwed rather than got pinned clean.

50:04 [SPEAKER_01]: So that was perfect. [SPEAKER_01]: And then Mercedes foot slipped off the ropes. [SPEAKER_01]: the worst possible way right we're supposed to portray or supposed to believe that our foot was on the ropes, but it slipped and that was really the only blemish of the match, otherwise I thought this was really, really good and really, really good for marina. [SPEAKER_01]: So they and they both would get involved in the next in the next match, too, because anarchy in the arena was anarchy in the arena. [SPEAKER_02]: And they didn't take Ronda throughout the, in the math once or twice, so she's not completely a ghost with all of this. [SPEAKER_02]: And, you know, the crowd chanting, she's a problem.

50:50 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_02]: And, [SPEAKER_02]: All the credit to AEW, all the credit to Tony Khan, all the credit to John Malkley, all the credit to Marina Shafir. [SPEAKER_02]: She had that promo three or four years ago where she had the problem promo and she got clowned for it. [SPEAKER_02]: And there are a lot of people that were ready to write her off on that moment from there on out. [SPEAKER_02]: And four years later, they worked their ass off, she worked her ass off. [SPEAKER_02]: the presence and the cadence and the poison. [SPEAKER_02]: I talked about that a lot tonight, but everybody just kind of knew that everybody need how he feels like they know their role inside and out. [SPEAKER_02]: And when they're in the ring on the stage, out in front of the audience, [SPEAKER_02]: They're not necessarily, and Marina has so much value to AEW, and the fact that she is able to stand toe to toe, they still continue to tease the stuff as Roddy, and they got a little bit closer with that tonight, and teasing that, and there's all these things and all these little values that she provides that [SPEAKER_02]: I don't think she truly gets the credit sheet of the earth.

51:57 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, she's going to get it and she needs performances like this because there's a segment of the wrestling audience who's like, we like you as a second. [SPEAKER_01]: You're a cool second for the deathwriters, but you kind of have to prove it in the ring. [SPEAKER_01]: And this was a big step for her. [SPEAKER_01]: Now, she's not always going to have matches with Mercedes and that is the thing. [SPEAKER_01]: I've been, I've mentioned this. [SPEAKER_01]: several times in our recaps, which is my favorite thing about this version of Mercedes is she's making everybody look good.

52:38 [SPEAKER_01]: She made Maya worlds. [SPEAKER_01]: whole year to the point that the fans thought that my world was the second coming and I was like guys, this is Mercedes. [SPEAKER_01]: This is Mercedes. [SPEAKER_01]: Maya's going to be fine. [SPEAKER_01]: She's actually good, but she's not what you think she is. [SPEAKER_01]: It's Mercedes. [SPEAKER_01]: And same thing here, Marina has to continue this to have. [SPEAKER_01]: She needs to have continued to have good matches. [SPEAKER_01]: And I hope she gets chances. [SPEAKER_01]: because she's not always going to face Mercedes, and she needs to continue to prove that she deserves to be in that ring with the best. [SPEAKER_02]: So I mentioned though, because I think that's she's got a unique aura that nobody has in a W. So she's the end factor of the division, which the range of outcomes and which she could be championed, she could just be a good hand or she could flame out as a wrestler in the division.

53:33 [SPEAKER_02]: All things are on the board. [SPEAKER_01]: All right, Anarchy in the arena. [SPEAKER_01]: I'm not going to go try and go through all these spots. [SPEAKER_01]: There's too much. [SPEAKER_01]: Deathwriters, Moxie, Gabe Kid, Daniel Garcia, and the conglomeration Orange Cassie, Roddy Strung, Calorale versus the cut. [SPEAKER_01]: Switch play, David Finley, Asos, and Clark Connors, Austin, Colton Gunn, there were others involved in this match. [SPEAKER_02]: Shintel from Ocean, Kimo Lito, Mercidif Monet, [SPEAKER_02]: Do we miss anybody else? [SPEAKER_01]: Um, Marina came back. [SPEAKER_01]: Marina came back up. [SPEAKER_01]: Um, let's see, do I have anybody else? [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, we were you know.

54:14 [SPEAKER_01]: We were you know, and there was a moment where we thought, huh, one of Shamus is going to be in this match, but he was not. [SPEAKER_01]: Um, I just want to point out really two things in this match. [SPEAKER_01]: I don't normally like this match. [SPEAKER_01]: I understand the fun and the hijinks of this match. [SPEAKER_01]: I don't necessarily like it generally. [SPEAKER_01]: I think this is my favorite and arcade in the arena match. [SPEAKER_01]: Because in some of it, maybe because of how much a hated Texas death. [SPEAKER_01]: They started the match with John Moxley's old wild thing, theme, and they played that once.

54:57 [SPEAKER_01]: They stopped it. [SPEAKER_01]: There's no music. [SPEAKER_01]: Danny Garcia's in the ring and DMX is party up starts playing which allows Danny Garcia to do his dance. [SPEAKER_01]: Probably nice just completely lost it. [SPEAKER_01]: There was another moment in this match where the DMX songs over stopped it. [SPEAKER_01]: Gabe Kid is wearing a t-shirt that says the cut on it. [SPEAKER_01]: So those guys think that he's actually with them, and they have moxley in their holding moxley, so that Gabe Kid can hit moxley with this chair.

55:42 [SPEAKER_01]: Gabe Kid chucks this chair. [SPEAKER_01]: Who did he hit with the chair? [SPEAKER_02]: I think he hit Clark for family, because those two were definitely in the ring with J White at the time. [SPEAKER_01]: Right as he throws this chair, it connects. [SPEAKER_02]: the DMX song plays again one more time is like the greatest needle drop I've ever heard an in a live event in anywhere like the the pinpoint hitting the play button at the moment it hits the guy's face and all of the music just goes like there he guy they got paid to hit that music at the right time and he should have gotten a bonus it should have been the final [SPEAKER_01]: So Claudio had some great spots.

56:25 [SPEAKER_01]: He came in. [SPEAKER_01]: He did a giant swing with two of the members of the other team. [SPEAKER_01]: Was it the who? [SPEAKER_01]: Who was? [SPEAKER_01]: I don't remember who was was the gun brothers. [SPEAKER_01]: I don't remember. [SPEAKER_02]: I was thinly and Clark again. [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, so he's got them both like hanging and he spins them both. [SPEAKER_01]: only do like two or three rotation it looked very difficult to do but he did it he didn't some fun powers of with him you mentioned the kimonoito spot where he you know he's a little low guy and Mercedes is in the ring and that's when the lights go out and he comes in and so he does spots with her he does spots with Shane Taylor [SPEAKER_01]: I was okay with like I get it.

57:09 [SPEAKER_01]: That's not kind of my favorite stuff, but Shane Taylor hits a big splash off the top or middle rope on him and I just thought King Kong Bunny and Lil Beaver all over again. [SPEAKER_02]: You can't name me, I got video in that one. [SPEAKER_01]: And then as we, you know, the finish was almost like it didn't really matter, which may, you know, probably a negative about the match. [SPEAKER_01]: the Phoenix Sun's mascot was involved in this as well. [SPEAKER_01]: He got beat up. [SPEAKER_01]: So, let me see. [SPEAKER_01]: So, the end of the match was Ace was Double Suplex off the apron by strong in O'Reilly, which I thought, why would you double Suplex somebody through the table?

57:54 [SPEAKER_01]: Because you also have to go through the table. [SPEAKER_01]: Clark Connor spared Cassidy through a wall, which looked cool. [SPEAKER_01]: Um, Gabe Kid poured a bottle of beer. [SPEAKER_01]: At least we thought it was a bottle of beer. [SPEAKER_01]: Uh, onto corners, but then finally made the save. [SPEAKER_01]: And then conners, Wild Nelson alcohol. [SPEAKER_01]: Wow, having, yeah, well, having beer on him, decides to light the table on fire, and finally power bombs kid through the flaming table. [SPEAKER_02]: The fire space, the end of this was a trotaceous. [SPEAKER_01]: uh... the guns uh... want to hit the three tend to you ma on moxley uh... he gets he gets rid of them but then when he does it jama jay white hits him with the blade runner to win the match so the heels win this match jay white has been rehabilitated at the top heel as long as he doesn't get hurt man this is we just need to stay healthy all right in the world for the exact moment [SPEAKER_01]: Nick Wayne did his Nick Wayne thing, and I guess the only thing we didn't mention in the main event is after that match was over, Will Osprey wins a match, none other than MJF comes out and in a mask and attacks like Prowermath, got his belt in a bag in a black bag, come out, steps on the title, show gothic title, clearly he's the the next world paper be challenging.

59:21 [SPEAKER_01]: This can't be worlds in though, right? [SPEAKER_01]: It's got to be. [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it's got to be. [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, moderate and draw day and moderate, MJF and world-tend. [SPEAKER_01]: Worlds end is kind of like, uh, I don't know. [SPEAKER_01]: No, it's not an afterthought, but it's a little bit like, [SPEAKER_02]: Not the most important paper view like I would save that match for revolution, but they do to the match two of them like three of the match of the paper, we're all counting on a classic. [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, so there are there's a lot of focus on that, but at the same time, if you have not going to be the counting on a classic, you're going to kind of have to have a program going on while all the other guys are occupied with something else like get it.

1:00:03 [SPEAKER_02]: I see, I see MJS is a future opponent, some of Joe's a future opponent. [SPEAKER_02]: At this point, J White should be an opponent of Wolf's brave at some point soon, too. [SPEAKER_02]: So there's a lot of people out there that can be viable going forward. [SPEAKER_01]: All right, we're gonna bring on Paul. [SPEAKER_01]: Cool. [SPEAKER_01]: I'm all. [SPEAKER_01]: I think he may not even hear us hear us. [SPEAKER_01]: Okay. [SPEAKER_01]: I just unmuted you. [SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, Paul has not watched paper view yet. [SPEAKER_01]: So he didn't want to hear it. [SPEAKER_01]: He didn't want to hear any of it. [SPEAKER_01]: So he's he's he's he's spoiler free because he didn't hear any of it. [SPEAKER_01]: But we're going to bring Paul on Jeremy.

1:00:45 [SPEAKER_01]: I know you have to get up like in four hours. [SPEAKER_02]: Great to see you. [SPEAKER_02]: I hope you're doing well and have a great time to recap. [SPEAKER_02]: Thank you, brother. [SPEAKER_01]: Thank you, you too. [SPEAKER_01]: And Jeremy Thursday speaking of strong style, 230 Pacific, 530 Eastern. [SPEAKER_02]: We can't delete your kingdom buddy. [SPEAKER_01]: All right. [SPEAKER_02]: All right. [SPEAKER_00]: Is that an error anywhere, Jeremy? [SPEAKER_02]: You can watch it on my AEW or you can watch it on CMLL YouTube channel. [SPEAKER_00]: Is it free on my interview? [SPEAKER_00]: If we saw, oh, cool, okay. [SPEAKER_02]: I believe that there, I saw that on Reddit. [SPEAKER_02]: So you're going to want to check that. [SPEAKER_02]: But I believe that you'll be able to check it through my A. W. And it is, I believe, three o'clock on the west coast on Monday.

1:01:29 [SPEAKER_00]: Cool. [SPEAKER_00]: So I watch it Tuesday. [SPEAKER_02]: There you go. [SPEAKER_02]: I'm going to get out of your eyes. [SPEAKER_01]: All right, Jeremy. [SPEAKER_02]: See you. [SPEAKER_01]: All right. [SPEAKER_01]: So Paul is here because there was also a big UFC show. [SPEAKER_01]: I didn't I watched the last two fights. [SPEAKER_01]: It looked to me like did the first three fights all go to decision. [SPEAKER_00]: I believe so yes, I got all my notes here. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, there's a lot of decisions on this card. [SPEAKER_00]: And yeah, the first three main card fights went to a decision were they good. [SPEAKER_00]: uh not really um the the the first the first one was was cool because it was um it was a really big underdog uh win like a seven one underdog um but I mean it wasn't really a very exciting fight and then Kevin Hall and was in the second fight and he was trash talking lots that was cool and then Bruce Buffer screwed up the the uh he's done this a lot lately I think he's getting like up there [SPEAKER_01]: Is that why Hoked flipped them off during the intros?

1:02:31 [SPEAKER_00]: probably. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, but he was a majority draw, but he read like just these scores that didn't make sense. [SPEAKER_00]: And then yeah, they announced it's more like what's going on? [SPEAKER_00]: And yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: And then the the third fight was just yeah, it was just kind of a boring fight and, uh, chowbrollow one, three nothing. [SPEAKER_00]: And these fights I think were booked to not be like this. [SPEAKER_00]: And it just so happened sometimes they don't work out that good. [SPEAKER_00]: Because these were all guys that normally get a lot of finishes and they just didn't this time. [SPEAKER_00]: By the way, just quickly one AEW thing. [SPEAKER_00]: I'm not spoiling anything, but, well, the two things I know is that it was like really long and don't shut off the show after the main event because there's an angle afterwards.

1:03:12 [SPEAKER_01]: So Tony Khan has to be in Tennessee for the Jaguars game. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so from the, from what the time is right now on, on my clock, the game starts in, um, about 10 hours and 20 minutes. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, because it's 241. [SPEAKER_01]: This dude just got done with the presser. [SPEAKER_00]: He's insane like I don't know. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I mean with people wonder why I don't watch live or why I don't think I'd go to another A.W. [SPEAKER_00]: pay for you again unless it's in Vegas That this is why like it's just too long yeah, and too late like but you know I mean, it's great for the people that like a lot a lot of wrestling.

1:04:02 [SPEAKER_00]: I'll watch it tomorrow and [SPEAKER_01]: All right, so as I think Anarchy and the arena and the Kayla Harrison and Amanda Ninius fight, I think they started around the same time, but I was kind of watching both. [SPEAKER_01]: I was watching the AEW show a little bit more closely, but I had the fight on my computer on my lap, and I didn't have any sound on. [SPEAKER_01]: And so Amanda Ninius and Kayla, I'm watching the first like three minutes of this of this fight. [SPEAKER_01]: And I'm like, oh man, this is going to be like the Ronda Rousey fight all over again. [SPEAKER_01]: It reminded me exactly, yeah, Ronda and Holly. [SPEAKER_01]: Or Amanda and Rhonda like just yeah, that one jail was eating the shots better than then Rhonda did But that's true.

1:04:46 [SPEAKER_00]: That's true. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but I thought I was like, oh, man, you know, she's still got it or she's got enough of it to where Kayla's you know, maybe and you know, to use the the famous phrase the deep waters, right? [SPEAKER_01]: Start out to be easy And then all of a sudden [SPEAKER_01]: The judo comes into play. [SPEAKER_01]: The man is on her back and Kayla's punching her in the face and the round, and I was like, whoa, like what a crazy twist of events here in this first round. [SPEAKER_01]: You were watching it much, much more closely, obviously, and you heard the commentary and everything, but did Amanda get tired? [SPEAKER_01]: Like, what happened?

1:05:26 [SPEAKER_00]: No, no, it was just, it was bad fight, I think you really, like she just, she, I think, like, well, what happened? [SPEAKER_00]: Like in the first round, I mean, you know, [SPEAKER_00]: she just got caught and then once it got to the ground that you know she had no chance the second but then the second round she was like trying to take her down and she's like what are you doing like why would you want to go to the ground with her because even when she she got her down she took her down I think it was like three or four times and Kayla had never been taken down in UFC so I mean she accomplished that but I mean every time she got to the ground Kayla either got right back up again or reversed it yeah [SPEAKER_00]: and and so she couldn't really do anything once you got to the ground and then when she got her in that position she's just eating shots and it was nothing like it wasn't anything I was gonna end the fight um you know until it did but you know like it didn't that first round there like she she didn't it was more annoying than anything else but she couldn't get out like you know that that could that round could have gone 10 minutes and I don't think she would have got out [SPEAKER_00]: because she just, she was a little, I wrote down to my note, she's a little sister to her.

1:06:28 [SPEAKER_00]: Yes, and then the second round was kind of the same. [SPEAKER_00]: Nune's, like, the third round actually started, like pretty good, like I thought, oh, maybe she's gonna make a comeback here, maybe Harrison's getting tired. [SPEAKER_00]: And there was like a moment there where, you know, [SPEAKER_00]: Kayla took her down and then and then she kind of reversed it, but then Kayla got back in top position and then she cut her open with an elbow and then it kind of was almost over after that And then when she put in the rear naked choke it was she tapped like a man to tap like instantly. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that was crazy. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so nice. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I mean I didn't even It was weird because I didn't even I wasn't even sure the choke was on you see people sometimes in that choke for like 30 seconds and Amanda was like [SPEAKER_00]: They barely said the choke was on and she was on.

1:07:16 [SPEAKER_00]: He should already tap. [SPEAKER_00]: And if I think it was almost like Kayla was surprised too. [SPEAKER_00]: Like she was like, yeah, oh, I can smile over. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, but I mean, she, you know, maybe never managed just yeah, you know what, I'm done. [SPEAKER_00]: Like I'm not winning this fight. [SPEAKER_00]: I might as well tap now, save myself 10 minutes of grief. [SPEAKER_01]: So, so I didn't see any of the post press conference stuff or any of that. [SPEAKER_01]: Like, did Amanda's talk, did she say anything about what happened? [SPEAKER_00]: Not that I heard, like, normally they would have interviewed her in the ring after the fight and they didn't, I didn't see anything that she, I don't think she was at the press conference or if she was, like, the people that normally report, I didn't watch press conference, but I saw, like, notes from people that did and her name wasn't really mentioned.

1:08:07 [SPEAKER_00]: You know, just, you know, just talking about K-line and, you know, K-Leven in here [SPEAKER_00]: You know, they're not going to commit to anything, but I wouldn't be surprised if, you know, if they both retire, I mean, noon, that's almost for sure. [SPEAKER_00]: And Kayla just says like, she can't keep making this weight. [SPEAKER_00]: I think she only wanted to do it one more time to fight a man, uh, yeah, much, once she fought a man, and that's it, like it's the biggest money fight that can make. [SPEAKER_00]: And they may, they may just as well get rid of the division, like they've been cutting people left and right in that division, and there isn't really, [SPEAKER_00]: There, I mean, there is a fighter on the prelimbs that looked really good, and I noted that she could be a future champion, and then, you know, our friend Ryan told me, like, yeah, if there's a division, and they're very well-me-not-be.

1:08:52 [SPEAKER_00]: Obviously, they're not going to commit to that, or at this point, but it's very possible. [SPEAKER_01]: Did you see Kayla at the weigh-ins? [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: How did she look? [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, not as bad as she has in the past, but not good. [SPEAKER_00]: And I mean, this can't be good for her. [SPEAKER_00]: Like, because she walks around in like 170, you know, and then, you know, probably when she's in camp, she's getting down to 160 and then she's gotten 25 pounds the last week for the fight. [SPEAKER_00]: Like, that's, and she normally is bigger than that because she was cutting to make [SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, it's some, it's not good and Amanda, I mean, she can make the weight no problem.

1:09:34 [SPEAKER_00]: Like, that's, I mean, 145 is a better weight for both of them, but and again, I don't even know why they bothered if they're going to get rid of the title anyways or if this would be the last fight, I said this with you in Dave, like, they should just fight at 145. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: But, you know, I guess they wanted to make it a title fight. [SPEAKER_00]: So, [SPEAKER_00]: They're both pros and yeah and and Kayla like her post fight did you see the post fight in a real no, I didn't see it I mean, I saw it, but I didn't hear it. [SPEAKER_00]: You didn't hear it. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, she was much more gracious than she normally is and You know like she normally is pretty like bodacious. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and you know like a [SPEAKER_00]: you know, like a low key shit kills Chelsea on in kind of thing normally, you know, like she'll shoot, she'll just dis everybody and say how great she is in here.

1:10:18 [SPEAKER_00]: It was more like humble and talking about Champlain. [SPEAKER_00]: She got to where she got and, you know, and then they asked her, you know, it's a sit and she's like, I don't know. [SPEAKER_00]: I got to think about it. [SPEAKER_00]: Okay. [SPEAKER_00]: What is her contract like though? [SPEAKER_01]: That I don't know. [SPEAKER_01]: Because theoretically, if they got rid of the division, [SPEAKER_00]: Um, pop. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: Possibly, but if they get rid of the division, it means they don't really water anymore, right? [SPEAKER_01]: Like, because, and I'm not saying that, you know, Scott Coakers, KMMA is like going to be this like giant deal, but [SPEAKER_01]: you're essentially letting all of these fighters go to someone who wants to open a new promotion.

1:11:04 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, but I guess the thing is, like, does it matter? [SPEAKER_00]: Like, they, I mean, can't hear something. [SPEAKER_00]: It would be a pretty big name to just hand over to the opposition. [SPEAKER_00]: But she was in PFL and she didn't make any difference there. [SPEAKER_00]: So I think that they think that they don't care. [SPEAKER_00]: Like, [SPEAKER_00]: Remember what that's big man said about leaving that door open? [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_01]: This door is just too small. [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, they're all ready. [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, they've been doing this for years though. [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, they've been cutting people at the peak of their game. [SPEAKER_00]: Like Francis and Ganon. [SPEAKER_00]: They have you a champion of the world. [SPEAKER_00]: They let them go. [SPEAKER_00]: affect them at all. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: In fact, it helped them in a way and they're in their minds it helped them because that, you know, the bottom line. [SPEAKER_00]: But I mean, you look at these paper views and and I mean, the next show is a joke and, you know, like the one last month, you know, it's a BMF title fight on the top.

1:11:51 [SPEAKER_00]: you know, because they couldn't get, they couldn't agree to turn with any other champions because they don't want to pay them. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: So this is like a number to vent and they don't care, because they don't have to sell them. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: They just have to sell tickets to live events and live events are still selling. [SPEAKER_00]: So this show was a six biggest gate in the history of MSG, $10.5 million, gate, $19,400. [SPEAKER_00]: Like, you know, so I was having a conversation. [SPEAKER_01]: with my friend Alex Goff who you know. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, did he make it to full gear? [SPEAKER_01]: He made it to full gear. [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, good. [SPEAKER_01]: So he got there to this morning and he made it. [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, good. [SPEAKER_01]: He had an interesting comment that I did not think about.

1:12:33 [SPEAKER_01]: Obviously, Alex is very close to political realm and works in government and such. [SPEAKER_01]: And he said, what happened to the UFC? [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, did they didn't really hurt much in the four years Biden was in? [SPEAKER_00]: Did they? [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, so my counter to him was these guys are carnies. [SPEAKER_01]: They're going to adapt and cater to whomever is in charge and they're gonna, you know, and that'll be the play. [SPEAKER_01]: But, [SPEAKER_01]: it does it did make me think because you just talked about this giant audience giant life crowd they have the highest ticket prices they've ever had and yet who's like why are these people going other than just wanting to see you see is that it's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, they love the sport, I guess.

1:13:35 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, when you go there, like these fighters, even though other than people like me and Ryan and the people that watch every single show, like we know who these guys are, but I mean, you watch the number of ants and you go into the whole harmony. [SPEAKER_00]: The only reason I watch them, [SPEAKER_00]: is so I can help Dave record so we can talk about them right right but I mean you may you know check it on a big fight now up at the big ones I definitely go out of my way but but you're gonna watch the shows and you're not gonna know most of the fighters yeah but the people that go to the shows they're watching every week the numbers on paramount like they're not they're not worth what paramount's paying [SPEAKER_00]: But they're pretty good, you know, like there's a lot of people watching these shows, it's just you never hear people talk about it.

1:14:23 [SPEAKER_00]: So I think if Mago is in power, like, or out of power, like there's always going to be an anti establishment, right, like so they'll probably they probably just amp that up and play to their base, you know, because I what I also told him is like, I was like, I think a lot of [SPEAKER_01]: Maga are also carnies like they are trends, you know, they're leaning towards what they think is cooler And he trump all of a sudden is out of favor with them. [SPEAKER_00]: Then they'll find somebody else You know, so that to gravitate to so yeah, I mean, I don't I don't know enough about the flu. [SPEAKER_00]: But I do know like when I'm watching like one thing I've noticed and you know, and you know me. [SPEAKER_00]: It's right in my Twitter bio like I'm you know my faith.

1:15:03 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm you know I'm a Christian [SPEAKER_00]: I'm not overly vocal about it all the time and stuff, but when I'm watching UFC now, like every single postfight interview, like, you know, thanks to my Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, every single time. [SPEAKER_00]: And it's like, even as a Christ, like, I'm like, and then they're swearing, like, and then they're like, sentenced. [SPEAKER_00]: And it's, I just find it bizarre. [SPEAKER_00]: And it's almost the point where you almost feel like they're being told to. [SPEAKER_00]: Like I don't think they are, but maybe what it is is that you have sees only pushing the people that are feeling that way and that's obviously more right way and right stay in a Christian. [SPEAKER_00]: I think he probably says he is. [SPEAKER_00]: I don't, you know.

1:15:44 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I mean, Trump says he is. [SPEAKER_00]: You know, Trump claims he goes to church every week. [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know if he does. [SPEAKER_01]: More, more power to them. [SPEAKER_00]: Okay, I didn't mean to make it political, but it just, I don't know. [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know something that made me think what Alex said. [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, so now the main event. [SPEAKER_01]: Yep. [SPEAKER_00]: Save it gone. [SPEAKER_00]: Like up first two rounds was like a real life rocky fight. [SPEAKER_01]: Serogon and Josh Hokit. [SPEAKER_01]: I was, [SPEAKER_01]: I guess I was one, I was very impressed with hokits strategy, which was I need to make this thing very messy and very uncomfortable for, for, for, gone. [SPEAKER_01]: And at the same time he was doing this.

1:16:24 [SPEAKER_01]: Serogon was hitting him with almost every punchy throw. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, like the accuracy. [SPEAKER_00]: Hope it is no selling it. [SPEAKER_00]: And he's almost like, he didn't say this, but I almost felt like he was saying it. [SPEAKER_00]: He's like, is that all you got? [SPEAKER_00]: Is that all you got? [SPEAKER_00]: Like Rocky to club or like, right? [SPEAKER_00]: Like he, you know, is that all you got? [SPEAKER_00]: And it's like going every time. [SPEAKER_00]: And he didn't seem like he was being affected at all. [SPEAKER_00]: And he's getting hit hard. [SPEAKER_01]: Now he does he does score a you know early with a takedown yeah some down gone got back up but he struggled a little bit was that the only time he got to take down no no he got to call you got a couple uh I wrote down they he he got a few takedowns okay fight but but gone was up every time like he never held them down at all [SPEAKER_01]: Um, there was a very slippery by the end of that fight, too.

1:17:15 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, the best, but like I think the best part was when Hock had had him in the corner and he was like stomping his feet like that. [SPEAKER_00]: That was like the time when I thought, you know, he may win this and but, you know, God just actually like credit in him like he seemed like he was getting tired and then all of a sudden he got a second win. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, as I was watching, that's the thing that I was thinking was like, okay, yeah, whoever's got the best stamina is going to win this fight and there was a moment where I was like, both of these guys are so tired like it's just really about who's going to be left standing. [SPEAKER_00]: credit to both neither of the most really in trouble of getting stopped, it was and and a key point that may have been the difference in the fight in some ways was he got an eye poke.

1:18:01 [SPEAKER_00]: Yes, very very brown. [SPEAKER_00]: Early in the fight. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and the reft didn't see it. [SPEAKER_00]: So he was fighting the most that first round with a compromised eye. [SPEAKER_00]: And that's not easy. [SPEAKER_00]: Like and and his eye was swelling by the end of the fight. [SPEAKER_00]: And that was from a poke like they showed it and it was a clear poke. [SPEAKER_00]: Um, but yeah, that was just wild. [SPEAKER_00]: They said a record for combined strikes and a heavyweight, uh, UFC fight. [SPEAKER_01]: Um, so I think, by the, I think is, I don't know, by the third or the fourth round. [SPEAKER_01]: I think there was really nothing on any of their shots that we're landing. [SPEAKER_00]: No, I mean, they kind of, I'd say in the last two minutes, they started to kind of, [SPEAKER_00]: there is a little something behind the shots, you know, but that I'd say like the fourth round and three minutes of the fifth, like that's that eight minute period.

1:18:50 [SPEAKER_00]: It was like, you know, gone was landing more, but neither one of them was hurting the other one at all. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, gone was throwing this on really nice upper cut. [SPEAKER_00]: You don't see too many upper cuts in MMA. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, really nice. [SPEAKER_00]: And just landing right on his chin like that. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that's what I said was like a rocky fight because I mean, normally you watch a rocky fight and it's exciting and dramatic and everything, but it's not realistic. [SPEAKER_00]: This didn't look realistic, even though it was completely one-hoursent real. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: Okay, you never see guys no selling clean shots. [SPEAKER_00]: The way Hoke it was doing here, and he had to have been hurt. [SPEAKER_00]: Like, you know, but I don't know how he did it, and credit to him.

1:19:32 [SPEAKER_00]: Like, and it was 3-2. [SPEAKER_00]: So I mean, he could have won the fight, Dana White said that he had a 4-1, but I had it 3-2. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, 3-2. [SPEAKER_00]: There are a lot of the fans thought Hock, Hock at one. [SPEAKER_01]: So there were some fighters as well. [SPEAKER_01]: I think Pehaya thought he won. [SPEAKER_01]: I think was Henry Sehudo said he thought he won. [SPEAKER_01]: Also from the MMA journalist, I think Braun Stetter had Hock at as well. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you kind of given Hock at the fifth round. [SPEAKER_00]: I think the fifth round was actually the decision. [SPEAKER_01]: and I saw Ryan scorecard was the same as yours. [SPEAKER_01]: You guys both had it three two for gone.

1:20:15 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know what to think about Josh because on one end he showed he's got a tank. [SPEAKER_01]: He's got he's got he he emptied the tank. [SPEAKER_01]: He moved forward. [SPEAKER_01]: but from like a technical or a talent standpoint, I don't know that I was that impressed with what he was doing. [SPEAKER_01]: It felt like it was kind of the dirty up the thing, just to win the fight. [SPEAKER_01]: And then again, the heavyweight division, [SPEAKER_01]: is not top tier right now so maybe he can get away with doing that against all these guys and and be okay but um i don't know i i i i want it to be as unbiased as possible while watching him and the only thing that that i came out with was he's lucky that there are really no [SPEAKER_01]: like top dudes in this division right now because he can be one of those guys.

1:21:19 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, you know, you're exactly right. [SPEAKER_00]: Like they're, I mean, if there was somebody like if Aspen all was healthy, like I think Aspen all waxes this guy in or less than around. [SPEAKER_01]: I think Dick is said something like. [SPEAKER_00]: Aspenal just has to call us when he's ready or something like that at the presser and if John Jones was back and I don't think he will be John Jones would would just avoid him and and just hit him every time he came in he would hit him and he probably wouldn't even get hit like that's you know the thing is like the god is not [SPEAKER_00]: a power hitter like a lot of the guys that heavyweight are he's even though he looks like he should be he yeah he does he does he's a good takedown defense guy and you know and he's a good technical fighter you know like a point he's a points fighter yeah and and and hok it kind of is in a way too just a different a completely different points because he's not he doesn't have the power either but what he's got is just this incredible will [SPEAKER_00]: and you know he was thrown the right hand like he wanted to end it but he wasn't coming close to hitting no no and I mean you know you saw that fight earlier this year with him in blades and blades is a power guy yeah and and that one I mean that was just insane I mean that was fifty minutes this was twenty five this man of getting more votes for fight of the year just because you know people remembering you know like [SPEAKER_00]: recency bias and everything like that, but that other one was wilder than this.

1:22:49 [SPEAKER_00]: But this was, I mean, for a heavyweight title fight, this was insane. [SPEAKER_00]: Did he speak after the fight? [SPEAKER_00]: No, oh no, how could, yeah, yeah, yeah, he did. [SPEAKER_00]: He didn't say much, and he was pretty, like he started out just kind of doing his voice with his sunglasses on and everything, but he didn't really say anything controversial or anything. [SPEAKER_00]: Like it was, that saw they did kind of hand shake at the end and, yep, yep, they, and you know, and Gond just said, he's a tough son of a bitch and, you know, I knew he was, but I didn't think he'd be able to last [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, so when when you and I do take down, it'll have to be after you get done with the paper view, which we'll see when you get done with it.

1:23:34 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I mean, it's open to watch it tomorrow. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I mean, it's it's six hours with the pre-show, but you're a little over six hours, I think. [SPEAKER_00]: Yes. [SPEAKER_00]: And I've heard it's very good. [SPEAKER_00]: That's the other thing I heard. [SPEAKER_00]: Like it's, you know, but he also said there's going to be stuff I don't like. [SPEAKER_01]: So who said that? [SPEAKER_01]: Uh, my friend, Adine. [SPEAKER_01]: Um, okay. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_01]: Here. [SPEAKER_01]: Here will be my non-spolar takeaway. [SPEAKER_01]: There were two things I didn't like about this show and one of them was the length. [SPEAKER_01]: You take away the other thing I didn't like about this show. [SPEAKER_01]: It fixes the length. [SPEAKER_00]: and then it becomes one of my favorite eight of you shows okay memory well he um... what he did say was he thought anarchy in the reano is too long it was um... yeah and uh... he also said and this is he said so before anarchy in the reano and the main event he thought at that point he thought four of the matches already that had happened Dave would have given five stars plus two [SPEAKER_00]: Let me think about this and I'm just doing the math and I'm thinking okay, it's got to be the bucks and that Davis and Doyle has to be one of them Chompon on Drawdy has to be one of them.

1:24:42 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, you mean no drag enough or drag enough yet. [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know if drag enough gets five [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, well, I can't see Dave giving forward. [SPEAKER_01]: But it's good. [SPEAKER_01]: It's really good. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: And I was trying to think of what the other two would have been. [SPEAKER_00]: Probably not tech or Mercedes and Marina, although I'm sure that was good. [SPEAKER_00]: And yeah, because the Kenny main event, yeah, I mean, for sure, I suppose I'm caught in Copeland might have been good, I don't know. [SPEAKER_00]: I just watched the Copeland Maclin match earlier today. [SPEAKER_00]: That was a really good. [SPEAKER_00]: That was really good. [SPEAKER_00]: It was on free TV on TSM. [SPEAKER_00]: and yeah, it was like 40 minutes long, we'll with commercials. [SPEAKER_00]: And yeah, it was, it was really good.

1:25:25 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, I'm going to, I'm going to let you go because I know it's really late where you are just past 3 a.m. [SPEAKER_01]: I don't even know if Brian and Dave have even started their show yet, but no, I doubt it. [SPEAKER_01]: So you and I will be back at some point. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, hopefully it's a good day. [SPEAKER_01]: When we all, when you get done and, you know, there's raw as well. [SPEAKER_01]: So we've got to catch up on raw. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_01]: And then you have the dynamite show with Jeff on Wednesday, which is it'll be an interesting one to see who actually has matches because not only I think the C2 is starting to see two is going to start. [SPEAKER_01]: They have their show on Monday where they do the the brackets. [SPEAKER_01]: We can talk about that on Tuesday too.

1:26:06 [SPEAKER_01]: But the thing about that is they had [SPEAKER_01]: issues of travel this week and it sounded like Tony had to send the jet out for some folks. [SPEAKER_01]: So, you know, I would imagine that those folks are good for TV, but you know, you never know. [SPEAKER_01]: And then we'll see based on who's healthy coming this show. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, the funny thing is it's always on the ones that are really wild and you think everyone's going to be hurt. [SPEAKER_00]: Those are the ones where everybody's fine. [SPEAKER_00]: It's usually people get hurt are on dumb spots and stuff. [SPEAKER_01]: All right, we're good. [SPEAKER_01]: We're done. [SPEAKER_01]: All right. [SPEAKER_01]: I've really secretly was kind of into the UFC while I'm trying to watch the wrestling.

1:26:50 [SPEAKER_01]: So I got to see enough of the UFC to where I could talk about it with you. [SPEAKER_01]: But I kind of wished that this was not on today. [SPEAKER_01]: So I could focus on both individually. [SPEAKER_01]: But whenever UFC has the fights, [SPEAKER_01]: that are really, really interesting. [SPEAKER_00]: The product is still good. [SPEAKER_00]: I think the next interesting one will be the January one. [SPEAKER_00]: That's in Toronto and they're doing a big show, big card for that one. [SPEAKER_00]: Because that's when they go to Paramount, right? [SPEAKER_00]: Paramount in Canada, yeah, yeah, yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: So, yeah. [SPEAKER_01]: All righty, that is it from here. [SPEAKER_01]: So, for Paul, [SPEAKER_01]: And thanks to Jeremy as well, who's poor dudes going to be sleeping four hours asleep and they have to drive through Santa Cruz mountains.

1:27:37 [SPEAKER_01]: Wow. [SPEAKER_01]: That is it from here. [SPEAKER_01]: I'm WGC when we see you piece out.