Ospreay's NJPW Comments, Bloodline Runback & Is King of the Ring Broken? | Takedown

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[SPEAKER_01]: We're back with takedown and for those who are watching this on the premiere, this is not live or not live streaming this because I had had some stuff going on today and I wasn't feeling fantastic and I kind of feel okay now, but it's what we'll see kind of might be one of those things where as the evening hits I start feeling better and then in the morning and the feel like crap again, but

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[SPEAKER_01]: We are going to put this up as a premier.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So if you are watching on YouTube, what is up?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Thank you for tuning in, obviously.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The pod people, the audio folks, thank you for tuning in as well.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And before we get to our episode here of Take Down, I wanted to mention on Saturday, Jeremy and I are going to be back with popcorn and pile drivers.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We are going to review and discuss

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[SPEAKER_01]: the 1987 I believe is when it came out the running man with Arnold Schwarzenegger and what is the relationship to either wrestling or MMA or boxing?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, there are two pro wrestlers in this movie.

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[SPEAKER_01]: One of them I think most folks remember Jesse the Body Ventura.

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[SPEAKER_01]: he plays a character in this movie and I didn't even realize this until I started my rewatch professor Toru Tanaka is also in this movie so we're gonna talk about the 87 version we'll talk about the version that came out last year with Glenn Powell and we'll also talk about the book because the book is vastly different than the Schwarzenegger movie written by Stephen

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[SPEAKER_01]: What is the guy's name?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Richard Bachman, I think, is the author name that he uses for this one.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, what are we going to do here?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, we're going to talk about forbidden door.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We're going to talk about the Will Osprey comments from earlier this morning.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then because the wrap is on a bit of a hiatus, we will dig into three WWE stories in the second half.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And they'll be probably a little shorter discussions, but with no Kila and Scott for the time being, we don't really have a WWE show.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So we'll focus a little bit more on this show around WWE.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, so I guess we should open up with this Will Osprey story.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I'm gonna read from Twitter.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I know not great potting here, but I didn't even really know what this story was.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Actually, you know what, let's start with the Yoda Suji thing that you had talked about, because I haven't seen any of the show.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He basically said he's not gonna be involved that forbidden door in any way.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I actually, I didn't even, it was something else that from the paper view or it's not the paper view, but the big show, Dominion, that I didn't even know about the CG comments until Dave mentioned them, but yeah, he's, and this is consistent with, you know, his,

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't even want to say character, his, how he's presented himself as a champion, you know, since he first won the title at Russell Kingdom and, you know, subsequently lost it and then just went it back again this past weekend.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's very much New Japan and New Japan, first and foremost, he's kind of,

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[SPEAKER_00]: doesn't appreciate the way the company treats some of its talent, including himself, and he's really not a fan of A.W.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And, you know, and it's kind of been consistent with a lot of the people there, including Gabe Kid until he joined A.W.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, so I mean, it's hard to say how much of this is storyline or maybe it is how they really feel until money talks like who knows, but he

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[SPEAKER_00]: And very much framing it as their show, not as much of a joint collaboration as this show has been in the past.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And that's going to, like, you know, we're going to talk about this, but that's kind of going to be the crux of what I want to talk about when it comes to this show.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, and we'll ask for these comments kind of lead into that as well.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So from what I gather,

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[SPEAKER_01]: The will last break comment started from a Josh from the we work stiff podcast and I know, Jeremy is is is a fan and Josh writes have to love for Bindor season Twitter comes alive with the same talking a w a w versus a new Japan points recycled for the anti iron ero angering all sides achieving very little.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then we get the payoff to this with some random multi-man's book on dynamite before the show, and then he retweeted himself and said,

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[SPEAKER_01]: though I must say the focus Osprey has placed on New Japan's perceived inability to create stars is interesting.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I would argue that New Japan hasn't lost its ability, but instead hasn't been able to adapt to changing timelines.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's nuanced, but it's the actual point of contention in my opinion.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So then Will did not

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[SPEAKER_01]: do anything short here.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He tweeted out a blog post.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, I, let, let's see.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He said, basically he retweeted, uh, Josh and said, I disagree.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Can you make a who was top four during the greatest time period in NJPW comes back from nearly dying.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And his first match back is against Gabe Kid.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They legitimately have the crazy match of the year did they capitalize on the performance of Gabe?

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[SPEAKER_01]: The answer is no.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Well,

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[SPEAKER_01]: New Japan might not have capitalized on that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Now I'm talking as myself.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_01]: AEW has also not capitalized on that because Gabe got hurt.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But when they did have him, I did not think that either one of those guys.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He says, then he goes and says, you look at godo has been a soldier.

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[SPEAKER_01]: has only reached the popularity after God knows how many years.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Calum has completely grown into the role and now he has hurt.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You've got some diamonds in the rough like Uya and O'Eawa.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Show it as finding his feet after so many flops.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Drill up it's in so much work and still isn't even given the ball.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not saying the A, W relationship is perfect.

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[SPEAKER_01]: There could be, there's more we could do as a partner, but come off the idea that we don't send our top guys.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We legitimately have given you the top 1% in the wrestling world with Kenny, O'Conna,

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[SPEAKER_01]: to Keshe to is a double contract, though.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We'll did not say that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm speaking for myself, mainly, but for sure others feel the same.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm gonna draw it a two, I think.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Because they have a double contract.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think so, yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I love coming to New Japan because it was my home for eight years.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I legit owe my life to the Lion Mark, my point remains throughout this battle with the opinion of those that have no idea what it is to be a New Japan wrestler.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Suji should represent the company as champion in any event.

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[SPEAKER_01]: that has new Japan's presence, whether it's a multi-man open-challenge or whatever, there is a level of pride you should have, especially holding that championship.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So, I very much understand where Will is coming from for 75% of what he said.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then those last couple of sentences, I completely disagree with him about

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[SPEAKER_01]: If you ought to suit you as the New Japan champion and he is not facing in the AEW champion or defending his title in any big way for Pindor, I don't really see that there's a reason for him to be on that show.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I would not want to be on that show if I'm not going to be in a big match.

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[SPEAKER_01]: If I'm going to be fodder for, you know, a match that is probably not really going to get over

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[SPEAKER_01]: I would rather not be on it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think he probably looks smarter to not be on it than to be in a multi-man on collision or something like that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, and, or, even what you said of defending the title, I mean, unless he's going to be defending it against John Moxley, Will Osprey, Kazuchko Kada,

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[SPEAKER_00]: then he shouldn't be on their either.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like we don't want to see him against, you know, like, I'm sorry, but Yoda's duty in Ricochet, I'm sure the match would be great, but that doesn't do anybody any favors.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And Ricochet is the king pin eater in AEW.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So we already, we've already know what the game was.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And we saw this a couple years ago, you know, when, you know, when New

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[SPEAKER_00]: and jungle boy was comparatively a mid-carter at the time.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so to me, that doesn't do New Japan any good, and it doesn't do Yodosuge any good.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And the problem is, is like, even if they did book that match, even if it was, let's say, let's say we do Yodosuge and Kyle Fletcher, which would be a great match.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yodosuge and Kyle Fletcher is top of everything like that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Where is that on the pecking order in terms of any W card?

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's probably going to be behind Swerve and Will.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's probably going to be behind that six on six cage match.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And it's probably going to be behind the two Owen final matches.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So we're talking at best fifth.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And that's assuming we don't get a call.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yo, I guess, cause I was in that match, if Kyle was winning the belt, it would be higher up on the card.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He probably, but then again, if Kyle was winning, I don't know if I wanted to do that if I'm New Japan, I don't think I would, because we've done that before.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We did that with John Moxley, twice, and I don't think it did that many favors.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And he even could don't get to catch the last year, had the title.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I don't think he defended, I think he defended in Japan one time.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so I get what we'll say, and I'm sure he believes what he's saying, but I and and not to say like I think anytime and I said this at the beginning of this relationship and and people have no problem saying it when WWE goes into relationship with a company, but when two companies get into relationship with each other, it will always benefit the bigger company and it will last as long as it's beneficial to the bigger company and in this case,

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[SPEAKER_00]: AW is able to showcase New Japan stars on their shows, on their paper views, on their television, and then when they became free agents, they were able to sign them and bring them in to a fan base that already knew who they were.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And now we're left with New Japan as it is now, and I'd argue other than Zach Saber Jr. versus Kenny Omega, there isn't a single person on the New Japan roster right now.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That means a thing to AW fans.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so when you have a paper you like forbidden door coming up, there's like there's no match that they can put together a featuring New Japan and a W talent that would be any better than a similar match involving a W talent in my opinion.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Would you say that the CMLL relationship is of more important say W than the New Japan relationship?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Right now, yeah, because, I mean, you know, in Mexico, CMLL is performing in front of sold out crowds every night.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so A, W's able to send its talent there and get them over to a new audience and get let them have matches with new people, get they become better workers as a result of it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not sure it means much domestically.

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[SPEAKER_00]: for them I don't I haven't seen any evidence that you know bringing in a mystical it occasionally he'll sell some tickets but doesn't make a look at difference for TV ratings and for ticket sales on anything other than border towns but it does make for interesting matches that get people excited so when you bring in a masquerade rata mystical um you know and there's there's some other names there especially for the women for Stephanie has been uh i help i i'm not a huge

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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, and so yeah, I think right now it's more beneficial, but again, as Tony starts to sign up these talents to do a contract.

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[SPEAKER_00]: get back to me in a year and see what it looks like, you know?

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[SPEAKER_00]: And that I'm not blaming Tony.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's just business.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, you know, and there's nothing wrong with it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And as far as New Japan goes, if Tony didn't do it, somebody else would because New Japan isn't paying their guys.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And that's that's the bigger issue.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so I'm not blaming a W and and will blaming New Japan.

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[SPEAKER_00]: is, I mean, it's true, but I think he's actually focused on the wrong part of it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's not about the booking.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's about the presentation and the lack of paying them like their stars.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And, you know, we talked about this when New Japan was sold, it was like, great.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Now, tell me how they're going to be able to make somebody and keep them, because that is what is necessary.

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[SPEAKER_01]: even like, you know, I think Gabe kid is a fantastic example, you know, someone from the outside who is not Japanese, if they get over in any real way, there's a good chance that Tony will want them because they are English speaking and that makes sense.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It makes absolute sense.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Now, can he does you have room for all these guys?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Absolutely not, but that is not stopped him before it doesn't matter like Gabe kid in in in A W is I mean what I mean he's a he's a mid mid to upper mid Carter at best right now not to say couldn't get higher, but but he feels a role and he has good matches and the dogs you know like finley and Clark honors are great talents, but

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, they maybe they'll win the tag team titles, but I don't think anybody sees them as in the top 20 of AW talents.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I'm kind of like not that I don't think that they're good.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I just don't think they're very interesting.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And so when I see, you know, I didn't watch collision.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I know they beat the box and there's a reason they beat the box and all that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm just saying yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, I kind of like kind of like the the top three teams the way that they are there work in hard to get those guys over I'm moxley did commentary for one of their matches recently and just could not stop talking about the dogs like clearly like he in particular is it's determined to get these guys over well for Bindor comes to my neck of the woods in a little over a week and a half so I'm really interested in seeing that show I know people here.

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[SPEAKER_01]: are they're they're getting their tickets and you know that they they know that they're that's shows going to be good but I would say locally there is not really a match that is at least that has been

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[SPEAKER_01]: I guess maybe Swarve and Osprey is maybe the one, but nothing else is lightning anyone's world on.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Would you, would you, would you as a person that's going to the show be more pumped up for it if it was just a regular AW paper video as opposed to being forbidden door or does it make no difference?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Or are you more excited because it's forbidden door?

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, that's a third option.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, I think the uniqueness of forbidden door was really interesting to me.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But they didn't lean into the uniqueness, at least not yet.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like I, of course, I wanted to see mystical on the show.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm sure he'll be on it, but I wanted to see him in a big way.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I wanted to see how they were going to incorporate new Japan and so far, not

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[SPEAKER_00]: I guess just to some people start like kid would be that, but I mean, I think that's a very small number of people.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and I'm sure it'll be cool to see star like kid, not that I've really seen her work in start.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The problem is you're going to see her and then you're probably not going to see her again.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, you know, the thing is there was a comment on, uh,

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[SPEAKER_01]: on our YouTube channel.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I can't remember what video it was on.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It might have been actually the dynamite show for all that I remember.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But they were saying something to the effect of like, well, you know, startup is not that expensive.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like if you really wanted to get into the product, it's not that expensive.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I was and I responded and I was like,

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's not, but the time, like, you know, there's just so much product.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And he's like, no, no, no, I'm not blaming anybody for not watching.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm just saying that it's, it's, it's an inexpensive product to actually.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The thing is, it, you say that, but I mean, it's, I think the subscription is similar to New Japan world.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think it might actually be a little more expensive.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So we're probably talking about 20 bucks a month, which is in bad, you know, and you think about it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But all their big shows are on pay per view and you got to pay extra on top of that

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[SPEAKER_00]: So unless you're going to only watch the non-paper of you shows, which is basically just house shows.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, like, who needs more house shows?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, well, and my point is, is like, and at the time it's hard enough keeping up with the free product.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's on television, let alone like a specialized product.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's like, I mean, if you wanted to, if you wanted to have access to all of these wrestling networks and apps and such,

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[SPEAKER_01]: you could probably Monday through Friday and also Saturday and Sunday, like have something a value to watch that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean literally that's my life.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I, you know, almost.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And, and that's with what I already have and that's not no start.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm no CMLL, no whatever Dragon Gate or DDT here on, you know, that people tell me I need to watch.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like,

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm not watching MLW, which is free on YouTube.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not watching it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And now on the New Japan, we're from what I understand.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And yeah, and see, I may check it out because it's on New Japan.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like if I see it there and something looks interesting, I'd rather watch it on New Japan than on YouTube, because then you don't have commercials.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't have commercials on YouTube.

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[SPEAKER_01]: For those who don't have a YouTube subscription.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so I mean, I'm, and I'm, you know, but as it is, I'm watching probably an average of two,

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[SPEAKER_00]: 2.3 shows a day, I think, is what I'm at right now, which is crazy, but some of the shows are short, but yeah, and it's not a, I see it's like a full-time job, and I don't really get, I get paid a little bit, but it's not a job for me, it's a hobby, and it's fun to talk, you know, to do these podcasts and stuff and talk about it, but

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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, you know, I watch it for my own enjoyment.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I could do this show and watch half of what I'm watching now, and I don't think the shows would be any worse.

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[SPEAKER_00]: In fact, some might say it's better because it'd be paying more attention to you.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, you know, but I think the fact that I watch all this stuff gives me a better perspective on what I'm watching with AWS.

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[SPEAKER_01]: All right, before we move on to the WWE topics, yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Do you ever foresee a time when New Japan and AEW stop working together?

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm not talking about 20 years.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm talking about like in the near future.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I mean, I could, I could see it because I don't think based on the stuff that's come out, you know, that we've seen on screen on Twitter on, you know, other forms of social media, I don't think the two sides are very happy with each other right now and New Japan is very loyal.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We know that Tony Con is very loyal.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So it wouldn't be so much of a divorce as maybe a we're going to live in separate houses for a little while.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, I think if I'm Tony, I try my best to at least keep the relationship going because there are

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[SPEAKER_01]: He's going to want more talent down the line.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And if he keeps the communications open, then it's probably a better way to do that than to like not be working with them and then taking all of their time.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But the thing is, you know what, it may be better off in some ways to not work as much with them because then all of a sudden that forbidden aspect of it becomes more intriguing because you're gonna get to see people

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like I said earlier, there's nobody there right now because none of those people have had a chance to build up their name to the point where there's a demand to see them in a w. So if you let them cook on their own and they get a buzz and they get you know like maybe they have a great knockout brothers are good example this there they got a little bit of a buzz and I think if you had let's say I was thinking about this if you were doing knockout brothers versus FTR.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think a lot of people would be super excited for that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think they're doing it and they just beat the knock-up brothers on Dominion.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So that kind of kills at a little bit.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But something like that where the knock-up brothers are getting this reputation as being the best tag team in the world, but they've never wrestled in a W. So that, to me, is would be a thing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And the longer we go without seeing it, the more desirous that match becomes to us as fans.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And to Tony as a booker and to Antifem.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And so far, there's no AEW forbidden door talent heading to the G1.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I know to Keshe doesn't it, but Keshe does in it last year.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, they label Gabe Kid as an AEW talent and he's in it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, yeah, I mean, I mean, I mean, he just made W talent.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He is in it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like when I was surprised when I saw that, so I mean, Tony's giving them Gabe Kip for a month.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, you know, but that that, but he's not special to that side though, I don't know.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, the thing is no, because he, he hadn't really really even left, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like he left and then, but how can you leave this?

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[SPEAKER_00]: How can you be gone if you haven't left?

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know what the expression is, but he's, I mean, he did leave, but he hasn't.

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[SPEAKER_00]: keeps coming back.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's like a guy retiree.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's like John Cena.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's retired, but he keeps showing up.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We can't miss you if you never leave.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's not it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And his buddy was on Raj on seeing his buddy in the new Netflix movie.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, who's that?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, that Eric Andre.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I was surprised.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He took a couple splashes.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I was I was more worried.

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[SPEAKER_01]: with him coming over the the guardrail in the bump that he took on his back then I knew Jacob's going to protect the hell out of him on that spot.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I uh, I gave you a second of tail and turn next topic too, but I was, um, I got I had some feelings about the bloodline after seeing that, uh, that segment and that show.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, I think they are taking a bit of a

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think they're, I think they're boring from the deathwriters to where like they're these awful people that the fans love and they're doing awful things and they don't care like, you know, and so they're going to be baby faces one segment heels and other segments sometimes in the same segment and you know that you know that the difference though is John moxley does not play games with his guys.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And Roman is clearly playing games with all three of those guys.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, more fat, too.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think he's actually changed the way he's behaving when it comes to Jimmy and Jay, unless he's being phony, but it feels like he's being real.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, and when he brought them back in, if you remember, he said, we're going to be more equal this time.

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[SPEAKER_00]: like it's not just gonna be your, you know, you're doing my bidding, it's we're gonna be equal.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And, and that's kind of the message he was trying to send on Monday as well.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But, but I just see them as like, you know, these out of control, like they're way different than they were, you know, and so in that sense, when you talk, when you compare them at NWO 2.0, I get that because even though they have the same name, they're completely different.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I guess my question is, can they sustain,

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[SPEAKER_01]: build this bloodline thing to be super duper popular again, because it was their most popular, most successful storyline in a very long time.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And now, you know, to paraphrase, J. Uso's theme song, or what he does with this theme song, there's run in it back and,

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, I'm intrigued because I think Roman is excellent in that role and I think he's got a certain, he's got a certain charisma about him that is probably a little bit more of a, you know, his real persona just dialed up to 11 like Stone Cold Steve Austin you say and I think he's he just he's just cool.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He's just a cool dude.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The the problem is.

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[SPEAKER_01]: What, obviously, where are they going?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Jacob is involved, he loves Roman, he hates the twins.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Roman talked about, it's always been the bloodline, and he mentioned a lot of, a lot of their family members in his promo on Monday.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And he didn't mention Jacob's dad, though.

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[SPEAKER_01]: is Jacob's dad like the Simone Savage or something.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, he wasn't in WWE, was he?

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[SPEAKER_01]: I know, but he was talking about the bloodline that dude's in the bloodline.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, yeah, because he's the cousin.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think he's I think the Simone Savage is like Ricky, she's cousin.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, pops.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, his father.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Uh, the Tonga kid, yeah, Tamah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And the who was also the small cabbage.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I guess he didn't.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He didn't mention it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, he also, but yeah, I, I wasn't treated by that to be honest with you.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, I thought it was, uh, that was pretty cool.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, it's an awesome, real life lineage, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like you've had going all the way back to, I don't know when the wild Samoans are the Samoans.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know how far back they go.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Probably like the late 70s or maybe even further back.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I can't remember reading the the bios that Dave wrote.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But like, I remember them when I first started watching and watching the old tapes, like they were on TV, they were in those matches, so that's a long lineage of porousling for WWE, and it's kind of cool that they can actually use the real life folks, you know, as part of the story.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I guess I'm just wondering if, if do you think that they could get something hot enough, is that going to be Roman and Jacob again, that will actually drive

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[SPEAKER_01]: a certain amount of business because so far it's a nice little kind of reintroduction, but I'm not sensing that there's anything that's super duper hot coming out of this angle at least right now.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think it's going to be hard because number one, you can't just do the exact same thing you did before, that that almost never works and certainly not, you know, as recently as that happened, like we're talking five, six years ago,

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[SPEAKER_00]: So, the key would be to be able to have that tension within the bloodline like they had before.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I think that part of it, they're, they're getting there and, and it's a different dynamic than it was before.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So that part is working.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But the other key is having these challenges that come through and are challenging Roman and building them up to where you believe that they

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[SPEAKER_00]: But then Roman beats them.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And that's a really difficult tightrope to navigate.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And it was hard at the time.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You remember, like a lot of people who are starting to get upset that Roman kept beating these people and this is never going to end.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And if we tried that again, I think fans would reject it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Fans, critics, everybody would reject it super quick.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And the problem is, is the guys coming up now don't have that reputation that the people he went through before like a drew.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Kevin Owens.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't, you know, I'm having a hard time remembering who they all went through, but I remember those two specifically.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, big show.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think it was was one block a couple times.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, like, I mean, you can bring back some of those guys again, but I mean, they loot, they lose credibility the more time passes and if we start doing this with Braun break or trick Williams, Oba Femi, like all of a sudden, now you're killing your next generation in order to get Roman over again.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And the other problem is Roman is not going to be around as much as he was even then.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And even then he was on a reduced schedule now.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's even more reduced.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But he's kind of over as much as he's ever been before.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Sure.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And that's fingers in the crowd reacts.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Roman's not the problem.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The problem is is getting opponents for him that people that you believe might beat him.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And right now, I don't see like people actually thought Jacob Fattu might beat him and now that he hasn't, now you're looking at it like, okay, nobody's going to beat Roman until we get to Fattu again, and that's probably a year away, at least six months.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, so what do you do with Rome and what do you do with the title in the meantime?

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[SPEAKER_00]: You just bring up these fake challengers.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe maybe bring up a Chad Gable and have a challenge.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think I don't think anybody's gonna buy that, but you know, it's certainly would be better than, then, you know, sacrificing an Obafemi or, uh, a Braunbreaker.

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[SPEAKER_00]: at this point.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think we're going to do it with Jacob with Jay and Jimmy again.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think those guys are, if anything, they may win the secondary titles or the other world title on the on the other side, although I wouldn't, I'm not expecting that to happen, but that could have that be more likely than one of them beating Roman, I think.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I guess the point of this is

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[SPEAKER_01]: Is there enough curiosity?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Is there enough creative storytelling?

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[SPEAKER_01]: How much is Paul Hayman involved?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Paul Hayman said that they had nine innings of stuff.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And, you know, we got to be at least midway through.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think we're in a range of late last couple of years.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so,

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not going to say they can't do it because I think Paul Hamon is is really good at this stuff, but you know, they cannot like you said, I think the point is you cannot sacrifice some of these younger guys unless you have pointed out who the next Cody is.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then you have this thing about chasing Roman and finally getting to Roman at the end and beating Roman, like if you have that, if you have that figured out,

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[SPEAKER_01]: Then I think you could do it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think Obo would be that guy, because he would have to lose more money.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So try it with Sammy or K. Oh, it's really interesting.

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[SPEAKER_00]: No, no, it's not, no, they're not, but like I think there's an underground momentum that those guys could bring in that similar to I think Sammy right now, it's funny.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think the stuff that Sammy and code you're doing is like the best stuff in WWE right now and really interesting, but you know the problem with it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: nobody thinks they're going to ever pull the trigger on Sami Zain.

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[SPEAKER_00]: No, that's right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But if they if they did like if Sami somehow ends up in Romans sphere again after he get because I think what's happening now is he's he's turned the fans against him and he's slowly getting them back with this last good guy thing to where I think

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, what's the, I can't remember what the phrase he uses for his rider dies.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They're going to increase more and more to the point.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then maybe he shows up on Romans radar and all of a sudden he's got momentum against Roman.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then that could tie into the original bloodline.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And maybe that's how you recapture a little bit of that magic.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And yeah, you know, I could see that more likely than just bringing up somebody from the midcard, you know, or upper

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[SPEAKER_00]: like a pen to or a fin or I think the big mistake would be if this entire thing is to get to to or Seth finally be through him and I don't know yeah that would be all that interesting if that's the overall playbook.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm to the point now where like like I don't I don't necessarily want to see him go but if he did I wouldn't be too upset about it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like I'd love to see him in a w. You know what I mean like just working with some of those guys you know before he can't

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and I mean, he's trying to do these Osprey moves, and you know, we're going out very well.

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[SPEAKER_00]: No, like, but it's not to say he's not good.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's just, I don't, I don't think anybody really wants him on top.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Right now, and I don't know what you can do to heat him up to where you would.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think they missed it with him, and injuries didn't help.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, the injury piece of that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it was was unfortunate.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And the fact Roman is right now is, like you said earlier, hotter than he's ever been in terms of being over with this crowd.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Mm-hmm.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, second thing I wanted to talk about WWE related is this king of the ring tournament and you know what I and we've kind of talked about this little bit but what I realized my biggest frustration with this tournament is and I'm not talking about the women side the women side is pretty good in how straightforward it is.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The men's tournament is all about how are we going to beat somebody and not who's the best wrestler or who do I want to see when the king of the ring.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's like, you know, we're we're watching the J. Uso and who's J. Uso facing on SmackDown.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Javane.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Javane.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Javane.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And so everybody's like,

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[SPEAKER_01]: So how is Jacob and it gets screwed or how is who's going to help Jay to screw Javan and like that's literally the discussion the discussion isn't who should have who should be against over to have the best match or to possibly when it's literally about

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[SPEAKER_01]: how are they going to screw each other to get whomever they want to get over.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then taking it to the next level, if it is Jay and Oba, the conversation becomes, well, they don't want Oba to win it because then he's going to go into Summerslam and face Roman and they don't want to do that match.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So who's going to screw Oba to get, you know, and that's the conversation.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, he doesn't have to face Roman.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He could face Cody.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, he can face Cody.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but it doesn't seem that that is necessarily in the pictures.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, I mean, honestly, what I'm expecting, but well, Gunther may be Cody before.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then actually, and and Gunther could lose it to Oba like that, that one hurt Gunther at all.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then see him punk is probably headed to the SmackDown side.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So they're changing it up a little bit.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, so he's not going to

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[SPEAKER_01]: Did you hear Dave and I talked the last five minutes on that show that you were right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: No, I haven't heard it yet.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm about two weeks behind on my observer rating.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We've been, somebody sent in a trust for justice, sent in super chat about punk.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So we talked about punk for like the last five to ten minutes.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And you know, it was basically like, people complain about punk all the time.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's not, that's not news.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, would he ever go back to AEW like, you know, and, you know, a long time from now are the, you know, are the bridges burned or is there still communication there and Dave's like, well, what would you expect AEW to say?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Nope, we're never working with CM Punk again and Dave was basically saying like a lot of people that he knows who most fans would think would hate CM Punk.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That they actually don't really care anymore about that what happened.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So it's interesting.

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[SPEAKER_01]: She should probably listen to that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I will.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I will.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I just, yeah, I like, I mean, I would expect him to go back if if they offered him a job.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I think Tony would be silly not to.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, he's a difference maker.

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[SPEAKER_00]: At some point, you can't, you know, but I think he's still clearly got something left in the tank.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's not what he once was, but

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[SPEAKER_00]: Uh, he is still one of the top stars in the world and you're dumb if you say no to one of the top stars in the world it is arguable.

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[SPEAKER_01]: that he's hotter than he's ever been with the crowd as a as a pro wrestler.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, like I don't think the loss to Roman really hurt him all that much.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Because I thought they told a really good story and it's easy to believe that the 40 year old Roman reigns at the top of his game can beat the 48 year old CM Punk with 25 miles of tread on the tires.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I, you know, that's there's nothing wrong with that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's a good story.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's I just

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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, Christie.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, but yeah, but yeah, back to what we're saying, like, yeah, I think, and then Obes Promo, which I liked, as you liked it as well, I know some people in our discord didn't like it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But he almost said, oh, yeah, you know, I know Brock's going to be there and probably interfering my match.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, you know, like it feels like that's kind of what he said or almost daring him to do it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, so does Brock show up on advertised to, you know, the kingdom of Saudi Arabia?

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[SPEAKER_00]: They pay him enough money, he will.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But that's kind of silly in WWE's part, but take a guy that you're going to pay like millions of dollars to to come on some show that nobody's going to watch and not advertise it, sure why not.

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[SPEAKER_01]: All right, let's end this by talking a little bit about Chad Gable.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Now, I think we both feel this way

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[SPEAKER_01]: in that they are never going to take advantage of the Grande Americano match in the way that we would want them to we we've been watching Chad Gable since his NXT days and have just thought he's

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[SPEAKER_01]: Awesome.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I saw it's first match and he has been the underdog of sorts in pretty much his entire WWE run.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Though he did help, remember when he was a Samy's coach for what was that match for something else?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Gunther.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, Samy had to be Gunther and he was like the Mickey to to Samy's Rocky because he had had that feud with Gunther where he almost beat him

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, that was a great, that was a great moment.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That, I mean, I felt so bad for those kids.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So, I think we're both of the idea that WWE will not fully take advantage of this.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But...

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[SPEAKER_01]: what could they do that would elevate him in a way to say you did good stuff.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Now let's feature you hear a little bit more than we have in, you know, in the last several years.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, I'll be honest with you.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I feel like they've already done more than what I was expecting.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, but that said, I don't, I'm not expecting much more, uh, but you asked the question, what could you do?

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I would figure, try to figure out a way to elevate him to that spot that AJ Styles just vacated the veteran who is an excellent worker who can have a great match with anyone who is like in the upper midcard or so basically,

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[SPEAKER_00]: He can wrestle anybody.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He could be put into a world title program and perhaps even win at some point.

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[SPEAKER_00]: In order to do that, he probably has to win at some point to get there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So maybe it's too bad.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He wasn't that the king of the ring had already been going on before the mass match happened because he could have won that gone through overcome some odds and get to the final and beat somebody.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And not have somebody interfere and that's how he gets to win.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like actually beat them.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then you know, and then he's got a world title shot.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So the next one would be money in the bank.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think money in the bank is the way to get Chad Gable over.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I just don't like, you could make a try it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So you would need another kind of similar thing to where, you know, like he gets on a long run, beating people.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And again, beating people, not, you know, just, oh, yeah, he got this win because of that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He got that win because of this.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like it's got to be, he got them because he beat them.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then, you know, and then at some point you get to World Title match and maybe wins that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I don't know, I don't think they'll ever do it, but that's what I would do.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Is it possible?

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[SPEAKER_01]: that he should just be continued to be a star in AAA, even without the mask.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's, I mean, that's possible.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And honestly, that's probably a better chance of success.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, they set it up.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They set him up as a massive baby face in Mexico.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Now, I thought it translated better to the WWE audience than I was expecting it to, because now, number one, they did have a great crowd on Monday, in Baltimore.

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[SPEAKER_00]: when he showed up, he got a much better reaction than he did the last time he was there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You'll recall they did a six man about a month ago with, you know, the Gable and his two-masked Brutide brothers or whatever they're called against the Alosamericanos, and they were, they got crickets for the first 10 minutes, and then finally, because the work was so good, the fans got into it, but

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think a most WWE fans saw that mask match, and they see Gabel in a different light now.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The question is, like you brought up originally, and will WWE capitalize on it, and how can they best capitalize on it?

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[SPEAKER_00]: And again, the problem is, is like, how high of a priority is that to them?

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, I mean, you've got Roman Cody, the punk, you're coming in.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And those are the main part of it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And they really live on the women's side.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And Charlotte, and then, you know, like, where does Chad fit in there?

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[SPEAKER_00]: 10, 11?

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, how hard is that?

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's hard.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know what he needs.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He needs a yes chant or something of that nature that will he had the he he he was doing the Oh God, what was it that he had the fans chanting.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Um Made of it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It wasn't the Oh God say if we had a live chat somebody would have filled it in already But he but he had the thing but but it was a more of a heel thing so I don't I don't think it necessarily work as a baby face the yes chant and the no chant kind of start as heel thing too

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's true.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's true.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But I mean, that's he's a baby face right now.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I think he if he needs it's always in a and I know people are saying, oh, he's like a really great worker 100%.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But that isn't always what connects what connects is his ability to get over.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, thank you.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Thank you.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Thank you.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And yeah, you could turn that into a baby face thing, but if you have something that connects that gets the engagement happening in real time, that will help because then they're like, oh, you can sell merch.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, that's what happened with Jay.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And if if Jay could have worked like Chad Gable, he probably would have been more successful.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: If you had been a cardio, maybe Chad should have coached him like he coached him the same same thing, helpful with cardio.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I mean, if Sammy's in, looked like Chad Gable, if he had Chad Gable's physique and the stahait that he has, oh my god, that guy would think that'd be he might be Cody.

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[SPEAKER_00]: What's on that tap for the dynamite show well tomorrow night in uh, I don't even know Are they're doing this the mjf and brisk are gonna pick their teams and they're gonna have a six on six match Um, and if it's hurt, what is he wrestling for right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I have a feeling he may get hurt and then not be wrestling so I will see like That's just my thing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know what a what a shitty match that is without mjf.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yeah And I hope that is not the case

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[SPEAKER_00]: although even if he is in the match spot, I can do much.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then I think we have Mercedes.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There's Mercedes.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The semi final match and the thing against Suzuki is happening on the show as well.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I know Athena and Maya are collision.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They're not losing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Athena and Maya are on collision.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then I'm not sure of whatever else is happening on that show.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I watched collision, but

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[SPEAKER_00]: It feels like it was a week ago, but it was only three days ago.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm caught up now, so I'm seeing things in real time, and I don't follow stuff on social media.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, I'm sure it'll be a good show, it's usually the week before the go-home show is usually almost like their go-home show, and it's usually a really good show.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I'm looking forward to that collision number, did not fare very well.

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[SPEAKER_00]: No, 0.04, but man, they're never going to have competition like that again.

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[SPEAKER_00]: the World Cup and and the NBA, 35 million between those two.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, insane.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, so you and Jeff will be back.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and you guys have a live after a week off.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, we'll be live 10, 10, 20 Eastern or thereabouts.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And yeah, and Jeff will tell us about his trip to Wisconsin and

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[SPEAKER_01]: He was, he was, he was showing us some of his fancy cocktails that he was having in the discord.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then we'll, uh, we'll get a, uh, from Elplathora.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He always sends in wacky super chat questions.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So we can, whatever tangent he wants us to go off as we say, you pay us money.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We'll talk about anything.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Nice.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Uh, okay.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Hopefully you won't get any, uh, you have

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[SPEAKER_01]: Uh, I think she may have answered, uh, hawk it in some way.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Unless it's an old video.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think I saw something going on Instagram.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I didn't, but I will say because people know that I, I, you know, I cover UFC and then I do podcast and everything.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I've been asked so many times about that comment in the last three days, including my wife who you have seen is so far off a radar, but she asked me about it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like so for good or bad, it got attention.

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[SPEAKER_00]: for bad like it's only bad.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it is, I mean, it's extremely bad.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's ridiculous.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But it unfortunately probably ends up making him a bigger star.

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[SPEAKER_01]: which it makes him the guy that you want to see his ass kick.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Exactly.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And yeah, I mean, that's his best chance of success.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I almost said that on Sunday, but I didn't want to give the guy an credit and a lot of people listen to that show.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So and a lot of people listen to it too, but not just many, I don't think.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, like I mean, because now, like, I mean, I said, if I was booking, I put him against cereal gone and in France and just let cereal just kill the guy.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that'd be interesting to be interesting to see how if he could level up because he's a really good athlete.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I'm not sure he's all that well rounded.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So, you know, when leading up to the fight, I'm sure a well-rounded fighter and a well-rounded team, they'll pick apart his game because we saw that, we saw that Armbar, you imagine the heat though?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, oh my god, like, that those France crowds are nuts as it is.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I mean, but then you'd have to kind of, I don't know, I don't know if I- But I don't even think God's gonna be on that show because it's not even a number to vent.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, which is sucks.

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[SPEAKER_01]: All righty, we'll be back next week, probably talking more about forbidden door since it is coming up.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, there's we have to be in the night of championship as well.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, great to make him back.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh God, whenever I listen to those NXT recaps, I'm like, who's that again?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Who's that person?

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know who that is.

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[SPEAKER_00]: No, just I think mentioned slum or verse 3.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yeah, forgot about slum or verse 3.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, every- No, they were in the news recently because all the people keep leaving.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Tessa Blanchard, Steve Beck, yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Everybody from NXT, even Ariana doesn't show up there anymore.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Man, how do they keep surviving the dead and then they're going to have the dark side of the ring on TNA this year.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, really.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's one of the, I think Matt Hardy said he was, that should be the whole season.

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[SPEAKER_01]: All right, that's it from here for Paul MWGC when we see you piece out.