Ospreay Retains, Steven Borden Injury Scare: AEW All Out 2026 Review | The Fight Game Podcast

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[SPEAKER_00]: All right, Jeremy, do you know that this is the return of the fight game podcast to fight game media, but you know what I realized

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't even think the show was on the network because when the network was created, John and I may have already been doing the show for F4W.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You totally were.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I kind of popped a little bit when you announced that you're bringing the fight game podcast back and I was like the first person along said it was you're like, oh, yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So that they're in my cap, I'll take it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'll take it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So when John and I stopped doing the show on a F4W online.

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[SPEAKER_00]: My first thought was, okay, I want to keep it, but what do I do with it like?

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[SPEAKER_00]: And you and I have been doing these shows, the A, W posts post game stuff.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We've also been doing popcorn and pile drivers.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm gonna keep that branding, by the way, but popcorn and pile drivers, the audio, will be on the fight game podcasts, audio feed, just because that's kind of evergreen content that I think people will get a kick out of.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Any show that I do here on on this network outside of takedown takedown.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I do with Paul Fontaine that'll stay It's as takedown.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm just going to do it as as the fight game podcast.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So This show any other AEW shows any interview shows if Jeremy comes back to talk about New Japan It'll be under the fight game podcast banner so

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[SPEAKER_00]: This is the first show of kind of the reboot of the fight game podcasts, and yeah, I want John the Rock to come back to whatever he has the time, but he's you know, he's softball coach dad right now.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And you know what?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Honestly, it's a big sigh of relief.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm sure to him to try and focus on the family and then juggle this wrestling thing and then remember to have to record if he Thursday night, which we bleed over and it's late and so I think he gets a well-deserved break and I'll just keep doing this.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I've mentioned this before.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think I'm gonna get Brian on here to talk about his new book at some point.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He is sending me the the book by the way.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I haven't received it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I have other people in mind, including folks who have kind of been with me for just about as long as anybody else.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I'll keep that a secret for now.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But okay, let's get down to this because I know you have a little bit of a hard out, but do you have to go to work in probably like seven hours or something like that, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I could've just got to think about it a time when I said stop talking about it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: All right, so let's kick off so a w all out from Chicago, the the WWE show ran as well tonight head to head at least show man.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm made of venting apparently.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I didn't hear anything about the WWE show which makes sense because it wasn't.

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[SPEAKER_00]: on broadcast.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It wasn't on YouTube.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It was only the house should.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They're going to show it on Wednesday to go up against dynamite.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's not going to make any sort of difference whatsoever.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm guessing, but this is their strategy.

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[SPEAKER_00]: AW all out.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We'll go through all the matches and then we're going to kind of

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[SPEAKER_00]: grab like five things that we want to kind of dig deeper into.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But before we even do that, like what were your thoughts?

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[SPEAKER_00]: This is the first show since all-in, which seemed gigantic.

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[SPEAKER_00]: This show to me probably could have used it another week or two before I was ready for another four and a half hour show.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But what did you think of all out?

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[SPEAKER_01]: for a show that had to follow up such a big show that always kind of felt like you were starting from the beginning in a lot of ways and trying to rebuild everything because all the big things kind of culminated and you know you had Mercedes unable to be an action for this game real quick immediately out the gate everything was just kind of

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[SPEAKER_01]: thrown into disarray, and I feel like three-week, four-week, whatever it was, whatever you want to call with the Rebel and Andy Williams tribute kind of in the middle of it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It was a little undercooked, but for the show in general,

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[SPEAKER_01]: As long as you keep your expectations for like a B-level AEW pay-per-view, it totally delivered, but it was not a B-all end-all show blow away.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Everything on it was like we're going to be talking about this in the name of it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It was not that kind of show.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, which, and you can't do that show every time.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It doesn't happen.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It doesn't work that way.

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[SPEAKER_00]: People's calendars are a little different now instead of whatever they were going up against.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The last time, now you're on a Saturday, you have college football all day long.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Just the idea of Saturday in of itself, being a weekend day for people to do the things that they want to do.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Uh, I also saw that our discord, there was much less interest in the show, which makes sense from all out or all in and also makes sense from, you know, once Kenny Omega did win that belt, like there was a lot of intrigue in Omega, and so that makes sense to me.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I am very interested in what they do next because as we know, Tony Khan has been able to build the journey to the title very well.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And once that baby face wins that championship, it seems like it's not as hot, which I think, you know, just in wrestling in general, you know, you're getting to an apex, then you got to figure out what's next.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So that is not surprising to me that, you know, we're going to go through this with Willos right too, but tonight on this show.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They definitely wanted to make him as unstoppable and unbeatable as humanly possible.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Within a span of four weeks, you had Will Offspray when the championship beat Kenny Omega and beat John Modsley, which are arguably the two top cornerstones of the AEW Gogs to overcome.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And he did it and now like the table set, you know, he's the guy.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think there's any argument whatsoever that there should be any concern that this guy, whatever challenge or comes his way,

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, he's essentially Cody Rogues and WWE in a lot of ways, you know what I mean?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like he is going to be this guy where you're going to assume like he's going to overcome the odds.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He's going to win and he's going to be the big thing and if he loses he's going to be robbed or he's going to be screwed or they're going to be, you know, some type of traumatic tension that causes that day where he loses and then that becomes, you know, the

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[SPEAKER_01]: The snake's tail that he chases, you know, and then he'll come back to the title.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But I think, you know, I talk about this a lot.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Is it the journey of getting the title or if it wants to get the title, how you're, how you're built, and the true, like, top guys, it's both.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And right now, I feel like we'll offer it be treated as a top guy, because the destination

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[SPEAKER_01]: was the blow off of A, W, all in.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And now you've got this title build, which started with arguably one of those guys, then you should have farther down the line right out the gate.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He does John Moxley.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So you got Omega, you got Moxley that he's beaten.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And in my mind,

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[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe the smart players have him be all the former world champions.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, have him be chemo with Joe.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Have him, like, have a non-title match with hangman page somewhere down the line.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Have him be Chris Jericho, have him be Hwarf.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And, you know, make that last match against MJF.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And maybe he loses against MJF or something like that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: down the line but keep this kind of interest with cementing him above all of these other previous champions to really show no no this guys is we're building an entire company about him right now all these guys from since years ago Cody Kenny the bugs they're either gone or you can see it on their bodies

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[SPEAKER_01]: the road like the mileage is there and you can't you can't count on these guys forever.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I think what they're doing is smart.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They're creating a new generation and we'll operate clearly at the front of it and it should be a really interesting ride.

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[SPEAKER_00]: All right quickly we'll just go through the results and you know I may I may bug you about some things but I didn't see the tailgate show the pre-show version so I rolled in about halfway through.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Jack Perry beat Shabata and Somo Jo came out.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So they are leading to that match.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then Mina and Queen Aminana against the sisters of Sin, sisters of Sin, one with the code blue.

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[SPEAKER_00]: uh... and i don't make fully was here i was kind of wondering about make because he wasn't on the actual pay-per-view version as far as i saw but he was on detail gate he interviewed uh... the bank bank and coach juice coach juice ridiculous by the way uh... so the tornado tailgate brawl and when i walked in david said it was the football match and he called it cute and i was like

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[SPEAKER_00]: like the raw brawl from like 1996, like what's up.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I, I, I caught the instead of this, and cute is a good way to put it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It was, it was mostly under serious match, but the crowd ate all of it up.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They were shouting green bass songs and a couple of these other things.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So when the dogs and the deathwriters came out, they did the Sunday night football overlay where each one of the dogs and the deathwriters said where they came from or what college they came from and so then we were like, I'm home schooled and court conference like straight from your girlfriend's crib and like all of you know, whatever, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: We were you at a John Malku's basement.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And so they're doing all the, all the football stuff that you do that you see in an NFL game and just really like playing up the presentation of it and having the shorter path to the helmet and it could have been ridiculous and dumb in a bad way.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But it was ridiculous and dumb in a good way and I think it kind of primed the crowd to have fun and like it's kind of this we're going to have fun tonight kind of match and J White got the swing blade on

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[SPEAKER_00]: Uh, okay.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So that that kicks us off here.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So, uh, on Draude and pack, uh, on Draude won the match.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, I think like most expected, uh, he, he won with a, with a roll-up.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, it was after Pock or Pack had, uh, kind of.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He had him in the brutal life or any roll-up into a roll-up.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Marina had suckered him in a little bit and on dry day wanted a kiss and then he got hit with poison rana, then he got close line, then the brutalizer, but he rolled him up so he outsmarted the bad guy.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The second match and we'll focus when we kind of talk a little bit more about some of the things that we got added this show.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Knight, Kevin Knight and Kyle Fletcher get its

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[SPEAKER_00]: uh... this match did not even really get going because there was a spot where boredon uh... and Kevin night uh... they were doing the uh... they were jumping from the ropes and they were going to close line each other and some happened in the jump like a board and uh... at the timing was off and then he took a bump and he just smacked the back of his head against the mat

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[SPEAKER_00]: and on live, on the live viewing, I couldn't even really tell what happened.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But then they showed a replay, and you saw his head smack that mat, and then his hands kind like one of his hands just kind of got stuck.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, Christmas whiskey on Twitter.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think he called it fencing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Uh, I think that's the term that he used.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so once I saw that, it reminded me of what would happen with, uh, to a, uh, the quarterback.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think right for the Falcons now.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But he had this happen, uh, a few different times.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I was like, oh, no, this is bad.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so that, so immediately,

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[SPEAKER_00]: they just the referee comes over calls over the doctor they stop the match so the match didn't really get going and I think the broadcast team was very worried about the fans frustration but they I don't think they need to worry much because those fans live all they wanted to know was whether or not he was okay and we didn't see what happened because they immediately went to the

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[SPEAKER_00]: uh... and shivani had this look on his face the whole time which was like if it's like he just looked like had this like kind of resist weird look on his face but so is ex-caliber and taz are trying to just like talk through this thing

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[SPEAKER_00]: and it started off all bad like taz is like talking in circles, but then they kind of got their sea legs on it, and I thought they did a commendable job after that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, so the match team get started.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Borden is hurt, and we'll follow up here in a second, because this is going to be our first point.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not sure the match will be capable of the match even get started.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They ain't gone a while.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well,

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[SPEAKER_00]: it didn't get to what they wanted to do.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, they were in the middle of like the baby face like he's bought for him or he was just like trying to it was his moment to shine and we'll get to it later, but yeah, it was it was hearing moment, but I think I think one thing I could say now before we really get into it is I think everybody did everything right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Uh, I think there's going to be some arguments about that, but we'll get to it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, Persephone and the mystery opponent was Danny Luna, the match obviously had to follow something that was not good news or that was not, um,

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[SPEAKER_00]: happy it was a it was a kind of a sad moment into the head to start and also Danny Luna was not known to this crowd I don't know how she should have been.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I've no idea why she was a mystery.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't agree with how they brought her in What a missbreed

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I mean, it took them a little while to get going.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I thought it was okay as we got to the end, Brit interfered.

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[SPEAKER_00]: She, we were talking about this Brit should have interfered to where it led to her being pinned because you kind of want to protect her and her first match in.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But that's not what happened.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Persephone hit the last ride to pin her clean to win the match.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, Okada in Chiyampa was a whole lot of fun.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There was a lot of stuff ringside with the Chiyampa's family Okada went out there and wanted to high five the daughter.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I guess it was her birthday and she wouldn't high five him.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He he gave flipped her the bird.

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[SPEAKER_00]: She flipped in the double bird and Okada was just fantastic in the whole thing just over the top facial remarks or facial expressions and then you know, so funny because I was like

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[SPEAKER_00]: Champ is a heel in this company, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: I can he was, you know, he was the baby face because his family was there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And he was wrestling like a baby face as well.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And they got to their end spot, which I thought was excellent.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Champo hits a knee, Ocada hits a German, then there was an Ocada dropkick.

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[SPEAKER_00]: After Champa took the knee pad down, Ocada missed the next dropkick.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Then Champa hit the knee.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Ocada kicked out, the crowd was really into that spot, then Cheyampa hit a dropkick, and he was doing Ocada spots went for the rainmaker, but he missed.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Then he went for the knee, Ocada moved, rolled him up for two, hit another dropkick, Cheyampa never went down and fired up.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We had a few of those spots tonight, and then Ocada finally hit him with the rainmaker to win.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So really good match, and we'll kind of talk about what this means for Cheyampa, and maybe Ocada in a second.

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[SPEAKER_00]: the beginning of like the overly violent Gaga kind of matches that I think if you enjoyed the plunder and the violent matches and the chairs and the thumbtacks we had two of these matches I'm not a giant fan of these matches so that probably affected my overall

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[SPEAKER_00]: uh... thoughts or an enjoyment about the show but if you are into that stuff i'm sure you probably thought the show is better than i did but this was the first of the matches chicago street fight candlesticks garbage cans garbage can lids chairs lots of blood making bane wasn't quite uh... bloody brit t-shirt but she was kind of close

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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, but it was also a fun match.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, if you can have a fun match where Jamie Hader jumps into thumbtacks and has to be her Finch and move, like stuff like that, uh, baby faces one, and I thought it was, you know, if I could kind of take away my instinct with these matches, I thought it was put together very, very well, and the crowd was into it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: and they kind of went they kind of missed the the apex over the crowd was into it but i think by the end they did almost get them back completely so baby faces when um... sort of in the new level and brooding hangman in the six man tag match

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[SPEAKER_00]: Did it matter who was the legal person in the ring in this match ever did I don't think it really mattered a lot of fun the whole build up was to swerve and hangman They built up to swerve and hangman a couple of different times bandito did some crazy stuff Brody Kree a Brody King and Austin Creed did some fun stuff Bandito went to hit the 21plex on swerve swerve did a complete backflip on the attempt

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[SPEAKER_00]: and then he pulled Bandito into the Jaml driver to win for Swerve and the new level.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Uh, Tecla, beat Willow, not much to this match.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I thought it was good.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It just did not.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It wasn't one of the longer matches on the show.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The heels came out, Julie Hartensky Blue.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They took, um,

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[SPEAKER_00]: Sky Blue hit Willow's hand with the start and belt.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I hate the belt shots like do you see how thin that little piece of metal is on But it's sharp because it has a star on the corner and it really hurt her.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, if it punctured her hand and then I will go with that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, but uh, it's set up Techlet to stop the hand and then to hit the stomp on Willow to pinned her Mercedes came out with her horns up in her Chicago bulls inspired, uh, one Z and now they're so close or Chicago bulls inspired.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, it was both.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The Chicago Bulls, it is a bull.

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[SPEAKER_00]: More to read is the beast.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The Jersey was the red version, think Michael Jordan bulls Jersey, but it was number one, and it said money on the back.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They're setting up Mercedes and Tecla in a match that kind of made me sad FTR versus the box versus Copenhage I was just asking Dave how old everyone is in this match because these guys look like they were Hating life while having to do a lot of this stuff Miracle coming down to the rate

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[SPEAKER_00]: Dax and I might have the same knees.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, I was walking down.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That breath will get bigger and bigger every month.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And, you know, Copeland and Cage, they're older dudes.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I thought they did very well for what was expected and what was essentially a TLC match.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I did feel bad for some of the bumps that they had to take because you know, they're going to be hurting.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Uh, and then out of everybody, I think maybe as Nick Jackson got hurt the worse because his arm got punctured somehow.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't, I didn't exactly see what happened.

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[SPEAKER_01]: After it's forming, uh, it was when...

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[SPEAKER_01]: He went, he did the, they did the dual jump spot where Matt went over Copeland and Nick went over Dats and between crashing onto the table and the splinters and everything, he just created a series of blood blisters on the bat side of those, although he was just trying to shake it out because you see it all like the confusion, just already swelling and purple and you're like, you're going to be

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So bucks one, they hit the BTE trigger at the, almost at the top of the ladder on Christian Christian had to take a bump all the way down to the floor.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There was another bump that I think it was cash took where they, he and the bucks were on top of the ladder and they threw him over to the ladder, I think, into the, to the, to the floor or to the mat.

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[SPEAKER_01]: This might arguably be the hardest Christian has worked in the entirety of this career in AEW.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Crazy.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He's worked hard in a few matches, but this might be the one where he really just...

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[SPEAKER_01]: He went all out, because I...

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[SPEAKER_01]: He was the first one to bleed, I think.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe the second.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Wardlow video, so he's coming back.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I was like, oh Wardlow.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know how you book Wardlow except if you're booking him with like, wage and

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think I feel like he's in the kind of the jake Doyle and the brankage spot, you know, kind of maybe the baby face version of those guys, but I can't imagine.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Is he I don't know I think he is I feel like you have too many the same guy, but you know, he could you could hide you be the front man of the big men.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: All right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then they made the main event Osprey and Moxley.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Before the match starts, Will burns the the deathwriters flag.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Outside, look like it was outside of the arena.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It was near the near the production staging area and

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[SPEAKER_00]: uh... they got blood very early in the smatch moxie dropped him face first on the turn buckle and will came up uh... i i don't imagine that that cause it but he must have played it at some point but it was really early in the match he got blood uh... moxley super excess dude right on top of his head and then he immediately gave a pal driver and he was challenging him is yelling at him like come on will come on will

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[SPEAKER_00]: Will's come back.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He had a power bomb for two.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Then he immediately transitioned into a stiles clash, then an oscutter, and then shenanigans ensued.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And for my taste,

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[SPEAKER_00]: to mention an against and we'll talk about the spot that kind of took me out of the match a little bit uh... marina grabs will willard you to who's there with denigarsia tries to get in the ring but Mike Bailey who was there with a kira uh... on uh... the the united empire side stops him

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[SPEAKER_00]: Will accidentally boots the ref, so then it's, you know, anything can happen now because there's no ref.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And Will hits the hidden blade, but there's no referee to come to pin.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So the Death Riders and UE were fighting in the ring, pack comes in with the briefcase on dryday stops him.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Mox hits the paradigm shift and will immediately hits the hit and blade goes for it again, but Marina hits him with the briefcase.

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[SPEAKER_00]: She rolls the ref back in.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Will kicks out at two and a half.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's probably the best near fall of the match I thought.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then here's the spot where I was just kind of like done.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Marina just kicks the referee.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't remember this being a no DQ or they're being like specific, you know, rules for this match, but she just kicks the referee.

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[SPEAKER_00]: She should have been DQ.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's not.

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[SPEAKER_00]: She grabs the briefcase.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Alxwins are comes out.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Alxwins are stops her, Jamie Hader, then hits the, they do their finisher, the double team finisher on Marina, and then Will tells her them to take her out, so they all brawl back with, with Marina.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Osprey goes to grab the briefcase, mocks, stomps him on it, mocks hits him over the head with it again, new ref comes in, Osprey kicks out, mocks with paradigm shift, then it's another paradigm shift.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Then he finally hits the death writer, will kicks out again, so this is similar to him kicking out of the Kenny Omega's finisher.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So then

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[SPEAKER_00]: Will bites mocks right on the forearm as mocks has the crossface in right for the referee.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Again, no dq.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We can kick referees.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We can bite other dudes like no dq will hits hit and blade stormbreaker to count will hits it again hits the hit and blade again and mocks is like knows it's coming.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's kind of smiling John the rock is going to hate that finish

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[SPEAKER_00]: And will nails him, will beat him.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Mox gives him the belt, shakes will's hand.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They go to the credits and they didn't come back.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I don't think we missed anything as long as as much as we know.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, the only thing that I think you missed is that we have two new members of the United Empire in the middle of this and at least we think we think as we had the unsuttle crowns up for Jamie Hayner, Alex Linser, as well as Andrew on a doing the crowns up as well as a symbolizing of hey, title belt brother, title belt and if he dispatch Paka in the

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, you, you coldest kind of a WWE-ified man event and I don't think you're wrong because there's almost this like methodology that you have to do to solidify the man event guys and it's

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[SPEAKER_01]: throw everything but the kitchen sink at them and they overcome it or they have the they have the wear with all in the and the backup to do on and it seems that you know will have a full cadre of people ready to support him uh this whole united empire thing will get into it another time but it sure does seem like it is a new Japan angle that is playing out entirely

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[SPEAKER_01]: Calvin Newman is probably not going to be pleased with all of this stuff.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So you can kind of put that in your back pocket, whether Calvin Newman is or is not going to be sometimes of catalyst for the end of will-off space title reign, because there is a lot right there that just kind of seems like the little brothering of Calvin Newman, Newman having his own thing dominating over

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[SPEAKER_01]: they're going to have a match and it feels like it's going to be a wrestle kingdom, but if Kyle moves going to win that match, we'll can't be champion.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So there are a whole lot of dominos that need to follow that seem to be lining up to be falling at some point.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Now,

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[SPEAKER_01]: Was this main event everything that it needed to be to accomplish to cement?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, I absolutely did so.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Doesn't seem like it was outside of the norm of a normal AEW main event in order to accomplish that goal.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I also did so.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, well, let's, we'll come back to that in a second because the first thing I want to talk about is is a steep boarden.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So at the press conference, Tony said, Stephen is awake and responsive.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The CT scan came back.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Good.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And all good results.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Hopefully he can fly back home tomorrow.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, and this is a shadows in our discord.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's he's giving me the the notes of the press conference, which is going on as we speak.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It looks like we know who will get to the opponent into the press conference, too.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I want to get out ahead of this by first off just saying,

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[SPEAKER_00]: Man, I was really crossing my fingers for, for Borden because he's so, he's not a young person, but he's young in the business.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Mm-hmm.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And to, to be on this stage and to have an injury that stops the match, which almost, you know, it rarely happens, you rarely see this happen where match gets stopped.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So, first and foremost, very happy that he's okay, or I mean at least feeling okay and hopefully on the men already.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There's going to be an argument if it has not already started about, you know, that our WWE versus AEW stuff that we always see about, you know, who AEW's reckless this and, you know, in that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I think, like you said, they handled this thing perfectly and professionally.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So when it comes to the medical part of it, when it comes to how they handled the broadcast,

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[SPEAKER_00]: uh... that the uh... the uh... broadcasters announcing later in the show to update the lot the you know the the paying crowd the paying audience that he is okay or that you know he's at at the hospital like all that was done really well i think there is an argument and we said this david i said this

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[SPEAKER_00]: on a Friday, restrooms are radio.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I said, they are throwing this man out into the wolves and they're seeing if he can survive.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Now that doesn't mean that his rookieness is the reason he got hurt.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I want to make that clear.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But there is

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[SPEAKER_00]: a high standard.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Let's just say for these shows.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So if you are Steve Borden and you know that this is a match that's a lot of people are looking forward to and it's a time for you to shine.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You're probably pulling out some things that you have saved and that you've been thinking about.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And this was just an accident.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It was one of these spots that went wrong.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I do think some of that is because he is just very green and they the expectation is so high on these shows that he probably wanted to do something that maybe he would not have done on a normal show or maybe that on a TV or something.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Again, I don't want to say that's why he got hurt.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm just saying the high level of expectation, you may pull out something a little bit more daring, that other than that, other than that piece of it, I think it's just freak luck.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think it's just really bad luck, unfortunate luck, but as you know, because of this wrestling ecosystem, there is going to be some...

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[SPEAKER_00]: stuff coming from the other side who are going to blame AEW and be frustrated and you know say this is why blah blah blah blah blah so I don't know.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know what else to say about that but that is that is my take.

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[SPEAKER_01]: There is an argument that anyone across from Kevin Knight could have gotten hurt on that spot regardless of your experience that it generally

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[SPEAKER_01]: unbelievably aesthetically inclined.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And the moment I saw him up there and ready to do the spot like, you know, but I had that kind of feeling on my face a number of times throughout the show tonight, but it was the only time it actually went wrong.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And

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[SPEAKER_01]: The entirety of wrestling is a rift-based thing, even though the goal is to not hurt your opponent or hurt yourself.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And you know, there is a balance with that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And he comes from, oh, I can see that I'm sure that he's putting on more pressure on himself.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And even like Tony Connett, probably putting pressure on him to do.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But his dad never would have had to do that spot in his right.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Right, you know, so like this is I got to show that I can I can do this kind of thing, but you know that that's more being around Darby than this is dad kind of kind of reality and trend spending time training with Kevin night in the L.A. Dojo, which I kind of assume he did since he had the, you had the training with the young lines of the young lines spotlight matching Kevin Dojo still kind of tied to the to the L.A. Dojo of love.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So like all of them kind of wrestling and training with each other made a whole lot of sense.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And here it should happen, you know what I mean?

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[SPEAKER_01]: And it could have been anybody, you know, Daniel Bryan, you know, they had to stop the match in the middle of the thing furious, but do you think it happened?

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[SPEAKER_01]: In this case, I think that if they had a protocol, I think they must have followed it to the letter.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I'm sure they did.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Immediately checked on him, Dr. Cayman, they pulled away from the camera, you know, they never went back to him again.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They showed one replay for clarity, for people to see what had happened.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They didn't exploit it, they didn't do any of these things.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They gave the audience both in the arena and at home, constant updates.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I literally do not know how else you do this to be a more responsible wrestling company,

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[SPEAKER_00]: All right, let's talk about the main event here and kind of what's next for will at the press conference he mentioned Ocata at the France show so that's an awesome main event for for that French show.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I came out to the press conference and actually I'd work with them.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so that is not this Tuesday, but the following Tuesday is that right.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I believe so, yes.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, whatever that front show is it's an upcoming Tuesday and it's not a one second on October.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I believe in the second two down cover.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, and like I said, it's not a a Wednesday show.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's Tuesday show and I think Brian Alvarez today said what we will would have been expecting is that NXT will probably have a main roster talent on that show to combat them.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I was very interested in how they were going to portray Will and Will was their superhero.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, he's beat two of the best guys to former champions, like you said, taking their finish and kicked out.

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[SPEAKER_00]: kind of, you know, the Avengers, you know, kind of style of interference and such.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I think I think most people will be fine with it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I was mostly fine with it as well.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like that part didn't bother me as much as Marina kicking the referee and Osprey biting Moxie's forearm and the referee just not caring at all.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like that's the stuff that we're a little frustrating for me.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The Avengers stuff, you know, I think we liked it in the Cody and Roman match, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: When they did the callback to the shield and they, you know, they did all that stuff.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That actually helped the way that that match ended.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Now, Cody was the challenger and he's trying to finish his story.

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[SPEAKER_00]: This is will, you know, kind of overcoming, you know, the big bad who's the mentor at the same time.

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[SPEAKER_00]: could they have done a little less?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Sure, but I think they also wanted to be a little bit different.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And, you know, when we were talking to Dave at Dave's house, Dave said, yeah, they had so many different styles of wrestling.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They had the British style start to the match and then the bralling and then all the interference and then the stuff at the end to create that big moment.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, tons of different

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[SPEAKER_00]: But at the same time, I do hope that it is beneficial to building him to being that guy because like I said before, sometimes when they've made that baby face, the champion, the follow up hasn't been fantastic.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So now it will has beaten two guys and and taking their best.

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[SPEAKER_00]: who's next like it is he toppling the biggest in the baddest is it like how like I guess my question is and and I'd be interested to hear what you think if he took

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[SPEAKER_00]: Kenny Omega's finisher, which nobody kicks out of, and he kicked out of it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He took two paradigm shifts, got stomped on a briefcase, and took the deathwriter, and kicked out of it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: What could on draw a possibly due to this man, to pin him?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Doctor, really good question.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It would have to be a couple of DMs,

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[SPEAKER_01]: Undraught a best shot at this is probably a submission or a knockout because he's got a very similar like hidden blade kind of finish, you know, with that like back fist, the kick in the back fist, and you can do like the, the, the sudden hit for the win, which is a lot of the way that his magic go, I just,

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't see and draw the world champion while we'll offer extra champion, you know, it's like they're clearly on two different levels right now and that's not because and draw the isn't working as that's off he is, but he's not hot at the will offer level, but also it's almost like

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[SPEAKER_00]: a paper view match now, because of what he's done to be Kenny and now moxley, a paper view match has to be like against all odds will all sprays against all because he's shown that he is taking everybody's best.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So now unless the story becomes that because he's been taking everybody's best, it is absolutely is actually wearing him down and he's got to fight through this.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So like whatever that story is, but like for instance,

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[SPEAKER_00]: I know, uh, blood and guts is is still like two months away or I guess maybe a month and a half away.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Number four, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, a month and a half a month and a week or two, like what's the main event for that show?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Moxley just shook this man's hand.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It almost seemed like the way that they set up the teams, it's like, you could do a United Empire versus deathwriters match and, you know, one of the two women from the United Empire and Marina are in the men's match or something like that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But then Moxie just shook this man's hand at the end.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I, you know, I wonder if it could be deathwriters, wardog team, but Moxley is on the United Empire side.

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[SPEAKER_01]: but who could possibly be on Gabe Kid, Claudio, Fimley, Clark, and Pock.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Who's the big bad on that team though?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Gabe.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, but did you see what happened on Dynamite this week?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Remind me.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So after the match is over,

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[SPEAKER_00]: Osprey and Moxie are kind of doing the face-off thing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Gabe Kid runs in the ring and just eats, I don't even remember what the strike was.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Osprey just lays them out steps over him and goes face-to-face with the Moxie.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I was like, Gabe Kid looks like an absolute dork at the end of Dynamite.

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[SPEAKER_01]: If Gabe Kid manages to overthrow Moxley and the death rioters, he's completely rehabilitated for that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Agreed, but doesn't that team take like a step and a half backwards if Moxie's not on that team?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Hmm, in the current version of gay in the current version.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, but Is there something going on with the whole like There's a power struggle there and I can't put my finger on it there, but

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[SPEAKER_01]: The most interesting thing to me that seemed like the most blood-feet of staying still is off-spraying United Empire is still monkling the deathwriters, but I think monkling and off-spraying business is finished with each other.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So how does it continue with it being blown out?

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[SPEAKER_01]: You could do United Empire for the cause of the Cal family, but you haven't even done anything without beyond.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I'm looking way ahead to to blood and guts and we haven't even gotten through Russell dream yet, but I'm like, you know, one of the things that Tony Khan does very well.

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[SPEAKER_00]: is he lays things out in a way that you're kind of intrigued, if they are going that way.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I'm trying to see based off of this show, what does it tell us for the future?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like the Ocada thing makes a lot of sense, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: The Ocada in France, but that is not a paper view match.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That is a big dynamite match.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So we still have Russell dream in another three weeks like who do they tee up for Osprey then?

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[SPEAKER_01]: I would, you could do and run a.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You could have and draw a B like the catalyst, again, with the Call of Family coming to interfere, because he does have history with the Call of Family, and after that match, you know, he, you claim with the shot, because he has to do the week in advance, at least, for the contract stipulation.

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[SPEAKER_01]: If you do that, the reality is it's the way that they've set up and drawn a wanting a world title shot on Dynight for Monk and Monk and Monk, this should be on a paper view.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, like you can't build him up, tracing out for the title, and then if you do a match on Dynamite, it does not feel like you've paid off the month of just kind of building and drawn it up for that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So you, you have Alcada, you have the Call of Family, and then, you know, you set up for Russell dream, which is and draw to an offspray, and then afterwards, you know, and draw to his there along with speedball and

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, I think a carer will probably be back in New Japan by then because of the Super Junior tag league and all that stuff.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But you have a group of people in the United Empire now because they speed ran, joining like an entire faction in one night, which sure, you know, they've done a performance of doing it again.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And it'll be interesting to see.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But, you know, I kind of thought that Osprey should be running through all the former world champions and doing all that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He still can.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But in Draude, it's hot, and he is a wrestler that is seen in the upper mid-card main event scene, and I think you can get away with that event for a special little off-brow on the other side.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Uh, all right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So, well, well, let's hit a couple of other topics, uh, and I know you, you know, you're getting ready to go to bed.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I had one more topic that I thought of by the way, while we're talking about it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So go for it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Uh, I think Danny Luna was two inside of a pick for this, uh, for this thing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I,

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't follow impact and I don't follow rev pro and I don't follow a lot of these other things.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I will follow a new Japan and I will follow WWE because, you know, WWE is just big enough that you can trip into a wall and find out information that plants get face.

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[SPEAKER_01]: see MLL just because of the company that I keep.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So when Danny would have came out and there was this expectation that I was supposed to know who she was.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I felt like that was a giant mystery of the wrestling community and I applaud those that did know who she was.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Mm-hmm.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It sure felt like everyone in the audience had no idea and was not invested in this match in any way shape or form and it was unfortunate because they were already put in a really bad position unwittingly because of the finish of the board and match that happened right before that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So the first third of this entire paper review, the first three matches, you know, you had a

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[SPEAKER_01]: with the Androni thing, but it was almost left in the rear of your mirror by the time that you got to Daniela's entrance, because it was like, yeah, who?

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, like, in my mind, Kyrie Sayen would have been like the play in this match.

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[SPEAKER_01]: She didn't have to win, but like, she was a big star.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And if you look at who the last surprise was,

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[SPEAKER_00]: at all in Surprise the new level like that's a giant surprise right versus this one you're like huh like we're like You know you've already created this expectation for surprises and I don't know why he just didn't

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[SPEAKER_00]: Build her for a week or two.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe she wasn't ready.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe she wasn't completely signed.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm sure there's always those kind of things.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But I would have saved her for something else and you could have had Persephone Russell somebody else on this show or just not beyond the show and and beyond, you know, on dynamite and do this match.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We used to wreck the hate mail to GG at fight game media when I say this, but she kind of reminded me of Lady Frost level of like, you know what I mean, just kind of she's there, she's good, but I've yet to see why I'm supposed to be so wild by this person.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, we'll see.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm, you know, I'm fairly open-minded on this stuff because I Not that I trust that everything AEW does is a hit, but I like a lot of the things and I want to, you know, this is not like

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[SPEAKER_00]: And we are always going to compare.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't mean to dismiss WWE in any ways, but sometimes, like you said, WWE will hit you over the head with stuff, um, the Pat McAfee surprise for WrestleMania, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Mm-hmm.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's horrible.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Pat McAfee and Jelly Roll being having anything to do with Russell Mania was horrible.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Now, the flip side is some of the things that Tony Con does, I like better.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So that's more or less why I'm like, I'm going to give this, I'm going to be open about this.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It looks like she's a good wrestler.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And they'll have to incorporate her.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But at the same time, they have a lot of people in the middle.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I do, I would love to see her come and stand out like Persephone has done.

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[SPEAKER_00]: When Persephone started, and we saw her in San Jose,

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[SPEAKER_00]: like the crowd wasn't reacting super hot to her but she has grown and she's like I could she's been training her ass off and she's been a fantastic addition to this woman's roster I really really like her a lot like I like her like again I have nothing against my a world but I think Persephone is way better than my a world I would agree with that 100% so yeah yeah go ahead

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[SPEAKER_01]: The only thing I would say is that I almost think that this might have done more damage to Danny Luna than anything else because she came in and she kind of came off it's not looking like a star even though she had all of this kind of anticipation and belief coming in you know, so

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's all about the right delivery and the right presentation of this individual.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I think this was enough of a misfire that you kind of have to start from scratch again, and just kind of treat this as a one-off, and figure out how are you going to re-represent her to the audience in a way that you really understand why you brought her into this company in the first place.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I imagine, she's going to go after Brit and Brit being more of a manager than a championship wrestler, brick and either lose a match or take a bump or whatever and that's how you kind of recuperate her.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, 100% by the way, did you see the coffee mug that I'm using tonight?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Hey, that's a nice coffee mug.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I wonder where you got that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: my new Japan coffee mug from from Jeremy for my birthday.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, Shadows has a couple of notes from the TK portion of the press conference, TK said that a lot of people are banged up one year anniversary of HBO Max.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He wants to give a coffee and create their own YouTube channel to get their own digital imprint on an AEW.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He talked they he was asked about the counter programming and he just, you know, he prays his own company and says that people are underestimating AEW.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He asked about he's asked about TikTok and AEW advance, which I don't know a whole lot about, but I've heard a little bit about it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, and he wants to do more in person stuff with wrestlers, uh, body slam asked about Ospreay wrestling in Japan more in the possibility of the AW title being defended in Japan.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He said it's possible.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He wants to collaborate with New Japan, praises al-Kata for being in the Tana-Hashi match, and then says whomever comes out of grand slam Paris has the opportunity to defend all over the world, including New Japan.

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[SPEAKER_00]: and they asked him about WrestleMania weekend and he was not, uh, he did not commit to into anything about WWE being in Saudi Arabia.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, okay.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Can't wait to see the AEW World title defend the Japan.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, uh, I guess the last thing I wanted to talk about was, uh, and, you know, and then we'll get you out of here was this ladder match because this was the, this match in the main event.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I thought were the two matches that probably sold the paper view and the door buster

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[SPEAKER_00]: it was a good match.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I thought, you know, a firm and effort standpoint, of course, these guys busted their ass.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It was another plunderific match, meaning we saw chairs and tables and dudes

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[SPEAKER_00]: took a bump from the top of the ladder all the way down to the floor.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think he was supposed to go through two tables to kind of cushion his blow, but I think he overshot the first one and only went through the second one.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He looked like hell.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There was another bump, but it was it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Cash who took a tough one maybe like on his elbow Going through a table these guys were falling from ladders and any time you know when when I think about Christian and and cage that I'm sorry Christian and Copeland Like they're older than I am

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[SPEAKER_00]: and I know how bad my knees are like I can't imagine edge jumping or being, you know, middle of the ladder near the top of the ladder and then getting pushed down to the mat.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And he's got to take that, you know, that fall.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe his knees are great.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's quite possible his knees are great, but I'm just like cringing it at watching this stuff.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It was sad because everyone just looked old, like even the young bucks who, you know, maybe not the young bucks, right, and maybe there, you know, maybe maybe there a little bit older these days, um, then then we remember them because I think I asked Dave that age, he's like, oh, Nick is like 38, Matt's like 41.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, maybe not the youngest of the young bucks anymore.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But even they didn't have that same...

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't even know what it is.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The ability to get back up is quickly as they used to.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think I'll go in the match.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We're like the fast-paced, like spot, spot, spot, spot, spot.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I just don't know.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, I don't know exactly what I was hoping for.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think mostly what I was hoping for was no injuries.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I don't think that actually could happen in a match like this.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But then at me coming out of this thing going like oh man these guys are old and this is a young person style of match like Let's for instance Kevin night and Kyle Fletcher in this match.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It would have been wildly different right cuz those dudes are young and they don't have all of those bumps on their body Darby Allen being in the match

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[SPEAKER_00]: Darby Allen has a lot of those bumps on his body, but he has this amazing ability to bounce back.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Him being in this match seems right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Copeland and Christian and FTR did not seem like the right guys to be in this match, and I just felt bad watching it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: None of these guys can be in blood and gut, you know, like they'll have a match like this every so often because

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[SPEAKER_01]: They want it and the crowd wants it, but now there's magic in the rear room here.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I just don't want to anymore like I'm good like saying that hey

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[SPEAKER_01]: Copeland and Christian.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You've done plenty of ladder tables, ladder and chair matches, you're good.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Dats and cash, I've seen you like poor bucket to blood in a ring with the briskos and American alpha and all of these things, all throughout your career.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I've seen it all.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Buck, you've got nothing left to prove.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And, you know, I'm watching this match, and,

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[SPEAKER_01]: I didn't care who won, you know what I mean?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like the, it just seemed like a display of like, okay, D3 team, you've all dreamed of it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Here it is, and you just kind of woke up like, well, if that happened, you know, it wasn't, it wasn't a dream come true.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It wasn't a nightmare.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It was simply a match that they did because everyone kind of hopes that they would do it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: By the way, Dazza said that he just woke up and found out that Danny Luda is in and it made his morning.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I hope you really enjoyed that match then.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, shout out to Daza and Lady B said she was told that fans know who she is, but she doubted that and I don't think I don't think most fans, Lady B obviously like the hardcore hardcore fans especially folks who you know watch her in other places.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm sure they were really excited to see her.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It just wasn't the right level of mystery that they needed for for that

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, because that just seemed like a bunch of people in the discord was trying to make sure that she knew, oh, yeah, everyone knows what anyone is.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And now she's coming back with with the receipt for everybody who who did so that, that, that, that was that energy is.

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[SPEAKER_00]: By the way, I do want to give a little bit more love to the women's Chicago Street fight because even though it's not my style of match, I thought all four women kind of killed themselves in there and I thought they did an excellent job at a lot of the spots.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Some of them are really dangerous, but especially to see Windsor and Hater come back at the end of that match, you could tell.

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[SPEAKER_00]: that the fans saw that as a kind of a cool deal because of what they just saw so good good job by the brawling birds and divine dominion as well there's an argument to be made that they had the better hardcore match of the two I mean I'm sure people say oh you know the men's match was worked a lot better I'm sure it was but I kind of like that

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[SPEAKER_00]: All right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So Jeremy needs to go to sleep.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He needs to get up for work tomorrow and we're going to get out of here.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So the fight game podcast back.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It is now officially on fight game media.

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[SPEAKER_00]: If you were an audio subscriber of the old fight game media network, I just took over that feed.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And now that is the Viking podcast feed, and like I said, Jeremy and I will be doing our popcorn and pile drivers shows here on this channel, but also the audio will be in that feed as well.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So it is now the Viking podcast audio feed.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So stay subscribed or if you didn't know that that feed existed, you can find it just look up the Viking podcast in whatever podcast app that you use.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We'll have to figure out if I'm coming back from an end of the bank or if you're going to invite Q on for that one.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, we'll figure it out.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We'll see who wants to do it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I actually, I think maybe Q and he had to death off her WWE.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And you couldn't run it back.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Keylet might be like, I like all this free time.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: You never know.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You never know.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I have to ask her.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We'll have to figure that one out.

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[SPEAKER_00]: All right, so thank you to everyone who jumped in the chat.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I know we're we go heads up against TK's presser So I know a lot of people are focused there, but still curry head showed up This person's username is real goober and GL so real goober not gonna lie

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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, and they were in the chat a little bit.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So shout out wrestling magazine was watching on, uh, on X.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Uh, and then Fernando as always showed up Sammy conduit showed up in the chat and, uh, Lady B as well.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You don't you don't real goober reminds me of is your your kid you're to go doing that Vinnie is a goober No, that wasn't my kid.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, that was a my kid.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That wasn't my kid.

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[SPEAKER_00]: My kid was the Samoa Jones kid.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh Okay, got it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think that was Admin Tony's son who is probably now a man.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think is this who that was

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[SPEAKER_01]: We all become men someday.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's a long time ago, by the way.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We all hopefully grow up in some way, shape or form.

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[SPEAKER_00]: All right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Thanks to Jeremy for hanging out late.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I am actually going to record lessons for radio Dave Meltzer now.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I warned you up for that show.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So now I'm what?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Now I'm awake.

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[SPEAKER_00]: All right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That is it from here for Jeremy.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I am WG.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We'll see you when we see you piece out.