Is MJF Losing His Hair? Jacob Fatu’s WWE Peak & Rousey-Carano Preview | Takedown

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[SPEAKER_01]: All right, we are back with takedown.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Paul Fontaine and I are gonna talk about a couple things going on and wrestling and then at the end, we don't usually talk too much MMA anymore, but there's a Ronda Rousy in Gina Corona fight this weekend that has some interest for some folks and it's on Netflix, which makes it a,

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[SPEAKER_01]: a kind of an event of sorts and that kind of dovetails into an interesting next.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.

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[SPEAKER_01]: When is the White House show?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Jan Arjun.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Fourteen.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So like next next four or five weeks is going to be interesting for MMA as far as just publicity and mainstream.

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[SPEAKER_01]: uh, folks kind of getting back into it, who may, though the last show that we just talked about on the rest of the radio seem to do a pretty good amount of a viewership there.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So maybe it's these last three shows here that are going to be seen.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That one's actually on a Sunday, which is weird.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I had to double check that date because it didn't sound right, but yeah, I didn't realize it was on a Sunday.

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[SPEAKER_01]: One of the things I want to mention before we get into the show is that on Friday, Jeremy finds Stone and I are going to do, we're bringing back popcorn and pile drivers, so John and I were doing shows about wrestling movies.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And there's a shelf life with wrestling movies, and so we kind of stopped it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Jeremy and I came back for the smashing machine, and we talked a little bit about the rock.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And so we're kind of redoing popcorn and pile drivers, and we're going to talk about movies that have either.

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[SPEAKER_01]: a wrestler boxer or an MMA person in them or are about those three things like so we're trying to kind of at least keep it adjacent to fight game media.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But it does open up some possibilities because the first movie that we're going to do on Friday, we're going to live stream it on the channel at 4 p.m. Pacific is they live John Carpenters, they live featuring none other.

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[SPEAKER_01]: then rowdy, rotty, piper in the starring role.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I hadn't really seen that movie all the way through.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like I just remember it always being on the USA channel.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I would see bits and pieces of it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I watched it the other day is quite the commentary, quite the social commentary.

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[SPEAKER_01]: that a lot of people probably would relate to today if they if they check that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think I've ever seen that movie actually.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's actually watching it's it's actually pretty good.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I was surprised because when I was growing up and that movie would come on.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I would have, it just seemed like a B movie, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: It didn't seem like a big budget release.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And it wasn't really a big budget though it did, you know, it made its money back in the box office.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But I was like, oh, you know, this movie's not that important.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then it kind of got some acclaim.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then I was like, you know what, I really need to watch this.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then it was perfect for our bringing back of popcorn and piles of effort.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So we'll do that on Friday.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The next guy do like Halloween or something or he did Halloween.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He did a escape from New York, big trouble, little China.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yeah, Kurt Russell.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, quite the, quite the filmography there.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So before we even get started, the heat is on wanted to tell I'm assuming

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[SPEAKER_01]: tell you this, knowing that you're going to watch it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I, I wanted to invest in Kendall Gray supposedly was an excellent match on NXT.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I mean, I don't see any reason to think that it wouldn't be best on best women's match on TV.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So far this year is a kind of a high bar.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I'm kind of interested in that although nothing really jumps out.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It hasn't been a great year for televised women's wrestling this year.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So what would be the best match?

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[SPEAKER_00]: the best women's match or just on TV on TV best women's off off the top of my head I can't really think of one and I remember some of the one EO and reattacks yeah I could give me like a minute I could tell you but yeah I mean there's nothing that's like obvious a lot of great men's matches in

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[SPEAKER_00]: in AW specifically, you know, like just about every week, it feels like we got like a big men's match, but yeah, yeah, there's not a lot like even for even for a non-telt by some

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't even remember that one.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Sounds like January 2nd.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I don't know.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He got me, man.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, sounds like, oh, you know, EO Rio and Kabuki Warriors from RAW on January 2nd.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That was the one I was thinking of.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that's probably the one.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I don't see any AW ones way up there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't sort them by gender, so I kind of have to filter as I'm looking.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But,

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[SPEAKER_00]: It was like the not a great year for like at least from the stuff I watch.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm sure startup has a lot of really good stuff.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, looking forward to that for sure.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I haven't seen the Oscar eomatch from Sunday, but I'm told by a lot of people that that was like the best women's match of the year.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So far and and one of the best ones in WWE in many years.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I thought it was good.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It was just put in a spot that

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, it didn't really feel giant.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, and also it also didn't feel like it really played off of their rivalry all that much, but, you know, if I was going to have them having a banger, that's it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, I mean, if Oscar is stepping away, even if she's not going to retire, but she's stepping away for a little bit, like, that part of it made sense, but, you know, we had this like really heated feud and all of a sudden, it's just, Oscar's like, all right.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to give you a hug or done.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It was like, okay, there's another another real EOS Stephanie the care versus liver calen rocks and batch that had rated pretty high.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, you're right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: A lot of real EOS stuff.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Mm-hmm.

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[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Nothing on NXT, though, which is surprising, like for me anyways, like, you know, I tend to like those matches.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Here's the fourth is against Rio and EO from February 27th.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Good job for those things.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think of an AEW, you know, is there a Hayter match that's in there?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Is there a stat match that's in there?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Not that I'm seeing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I've seen in series one from the New Japan show is a highest non WWE wins match that I see.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, well, the vice and Kendall Gray March 31st.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I think that might have been like an XTPLE.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Zaryan, so Ruka.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, like I don't even have any AW women's matches from this year, even at four stars.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, that's not that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, that's only storm injury man.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That really kind of hurt them.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, and Mercedes being out first and Mercedes being out.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, for sure, because she's like the she's like the best.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think the best in-ring women they have apparently until all the fire comes in if we're to believe Joe.

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[SPEAKER_01]: All right, let's kick this thing off.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So we have a WWE topic, we have a WWE topic, we have a WWE topic, and I'm like I mentioned, we'll talk a little bit about this, Ron, than Gina Fight, at the end of the show.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We, I think you and I feel pretty similarly about Darby Allen and M.J.F with A.

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[SPEAKER_01]: possible hair stipulation.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I was thinking about this because

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[SPEAKER_01]: AEW seems to be going really heavy on the stipulations to make these matches more worthy than maybe just normal matches and you have to harken back to the fact that hangman page lost the ability to even fight for the world title as one of these stipulations.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The subcoming double or nothing tag team match with FTR and Copeland and Cage has like three different stipulations in it and one of them being

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[SPEAKER_01]: If you guys lose, you cannot tag team ever again.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I don't know how that one holds any water, like shouldn't that be a Tony Con call, you know, whatever.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's rustling, but so we had a hair stipulation earlier this year with Wheeler Uda, he lost the match.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think it was a mix tag and thus he had shaved his head.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Grands almost really.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And they treated that thing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: kind of like a not even like a joke, they almost treated it as if it was not important, which is worse than a joke to me, because at least if Wheeler was able to show a little ass, he could have fun with it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He wore a like a beanie or whatever, and they tried to snatch the beanie a couple times.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then it just like then he just had short hair.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And he looks great with short hair, by the way.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And none of that happened on Dynamite even if I'm remembering

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[SPEAKER_01]: So we already have had a hair stipulation.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Now, MJF's hair up for grabs is way more meaningful than wheeler uters hair up for grabs.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I don't even want to say that those are the same things.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's just interesting to me that those two stipulations are the same stipulation.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And they're only like three months apart.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I get why you want MJF to be involved in something like this because he's very entertaining with stuff like this.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He's going to be tremendous for whatever reason.

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[SPEAKER_01]: This is the thing that Darby wants the Darby character.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I would have taken the money myself, like was offered $1 million.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, this man said, you know, I've been homeless before.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I was like, great, put this money in your savings account.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So you will never be homeless ever again.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, yeah, he's rational for turning it down.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He was like, rational for accepting it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's what he knows that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I, I like, I, of course, want to give it a chance,

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[SPEAKER_01]: usually in the history of AEW, maybe even to their detriment, they've held to these stipulations.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, they've created some really sticky ones.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Cody Rhodes, you know, his, he can ever face a championship for the world title again, hangman page in this coping cage one.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I guess I'm just confused as to why

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[SPEAKER_01]: We're doing the hair thing so quickly.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then secondly, how you can go from so serious of a stipulation with hangman page.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then here we are three months or a couple months later.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And now we're doing like a goofy one.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like that doesn't really like the the what they try to portray with this world title.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It doesn't really drive for me.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But I know some people are totally cool with it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Some people are not taking this as seriously as I am.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So what are your thoughts on that?

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[SPEAKER_01]: you know, I'm assuming that this is just telling us Darby's losing that can't imagine MJF is cutting his hair.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, it's funny you say that last part because my first reaction and you'll remember like so they announced this actually on the collision portion of dynamite so it was and or on not on dynamite but on Wednesday night you know that three hour block and we were recording a show.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So Jeff was kind of had his eye on the show and was falling social media and he's like, oh, yeah, they announced stiff and that's okay.

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[SPEAKER_00]: What is it?

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so I didn't really hear about how it all went down.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It was okay.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And Jeff put up his hair and I'm like, and I got, you got like my instant reaction last Wednesday and it was basically like, well, I guess it's a step where we're expected to believe that MJF actually could lose because in my mind, like MJF losing his hair, like,

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know, like, I don't really, it's not like, you know, they've done a few angles where they've mentioned that he goes to Turkey for hair transplants and stuff like that, but it's not like his hair is like a critical part of his character and, and there's no real motivation for why, you know, Darby would want MJF's hair.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Meanwhile, like with Wheeler,

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[SPEAKER_00]: He was like for a year.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He was like this troll with like long hair and it was like a huge thing and you knew You knew for like a year that they were gonna be doing a hair match at some point because it's the only thing that made sense and here It's like yeah, Darby mentioned it and it's like, oh, okay, and for me like I could totally see him losing I could see him

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[SPEAKER_00]: Doing the gimmick where he comes out with a different wig every week and pretending that he's not bald and I know like you say, you know, we learned didn't really sell the step, I think mjf would sell the step and and the argument that I've been given against that is all mjf does movies and all this it's here goes back like it is here.

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[SPEAKER_01]: going to grow back.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That is a question.

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[SPEAKER_00]: If it does or it doesn't, I mean people wear wigs in movies like all the time, you know, like how often is it actually people's real hair that you're seeing in movies.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, you know, as a young man, though, there is.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But I mean, if they want them to be a long hair guy for a role, they're going to put a wig on them like,

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[SPEAKER_00]: it you know what I mean and and like you know and people are bald people put bald skull caps on like I don't know like I don't and hell he could go get another hair transplant if he wants to if he's gonna take time off for a movie but to me like M.J. F. seems like the kind of guy that would shave his head for an angle like a it just seems like something he would do so for me at least and I don't know how other people feel like it actually makes me think that he could lose whereas before I thought okay it's the foregone conclusion that he's winning

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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, and I still kind of having the back of my head that Hangman's going to return and cost him the match and, and you've got swerve, you know, kind of bubbling as this maybe next contender and him versus Darby for the title makes a lot of sense to me and him even beating Darby for the title makes a lot of sense.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So, so,

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[SPEAKER_01]: If that is the case, and let's say Darby is winning, why is he wrestling like his hairs on fire and he's never going to have the title ever again, probably because he's, why don't his hairs on fire, but probably because he's never going to have the title again, and he knows it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I think it's almost like he has a bucket list of matches that he wants to do while he's champion.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, I saw somebody had brought up.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I want to give credit.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think it was a, you know, really great Twitter follower Sarah El City who pointed out really smart.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, she pointed out that all the people that he had been beating where the people that were in the gold league.

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[SPEAKER_00]: of the continental classic, which were matches he was supposed to have last year.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So for him, having all these matches against all these people and knowing that him and Tony Khan are pretty close.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, we've seen social media pictures, Tony's flown him to England for to watch games and stuff.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I could easily see him going to Tony and saying hey all those guys are supposed to wrestle last year I'd like to wrestle them and why don't we do it for title matches.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I can easily see that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Could they hold us that in the announcing possibly?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like yeah, except that's a little too meta don't you think?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe, but yeah, you know.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I don't know.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, like if it's really part of the story that's actually part of the story, I think it's just part of like literally, you know, his wishlist and I don't necessarily know if that's even a good story to talk.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think the thing about the goal classic, yeah, if it's like,

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, hey, you know, like Darby was scheduled for these matches against these top quality people and he specifically went to Tony God, it's that I wanted to defend the title.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, maybe if you if you framed it that way, that'd be kind of a cool story because because these are tough, you know, Brody Kevin night, because you go kind of which, you know, I guess isn't happening to talk.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, I think the the only one that wasn't in that list was Chomp up.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, and because it was.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, but he probably would have been in that league if he was there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then he's getting it to cash.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It does actually getting the shot this week.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I if you're telling me that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's first I've heard of it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I haven't seen anything in the discord about it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's usually where I get my news.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I thought to Keshe, it was going to be the Ocata replacement.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Makes sense if that's the case, like plays into the story as well, and you know, and to Keshe does, you know, he's a champion as well, and although they never tell us that, he's the New Japan Television Champion.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Either him or I'll draw it, it would have made sense.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, so you are not, and look, I'm not really down on it either.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I just like to point out, yeah, yeah, I know what you're saying.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And given the way they treated the Wheeler step, like I don't know why we should take it seriously.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's just you don't usually see the angles being booked like that so closely back together.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's like, oh, you do a hair match once a year because fans forget about it and so did you too.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But they'll make it official.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They haven't even made that stipulation official.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think MJF has to accept it on Wednesday or something.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then it'll be official official.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know why they couldn't have just done like, okay, MJF's got to beat, you know, somebody that he, you know, didn't beat, you know, somebody to win the title shot.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, you know, something like that, you know, they could have just done that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And why does he have to put up his hair when meanwhile all these other people are just getting title shots for the hell of it?

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[SPEAKER_00]: That doesn't make it any sense either.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And they're not even trying to explain that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And if you want to get a little critical about it,

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[SPEAKER_01]: Darby was kind of the one who jumped the gun in the main event to win the match right like yeah, yeah, I mean, and and and Kevin night did the same, you know, to beat him.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So, oh, for Nando points out that they announced on collision, which the only one hour of a W television haven't seen yet.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm caught up.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I didn't see it yet.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I didn't see it in the virtual.

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[SPEAKER_01]: golf center or whatever that place is called.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Everyone's calling it a golf course isn't is it is it an actual golf course they they turned into like a virtual thing or is it just like a indoor thing that where they think it's like that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think it's a ladder.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think like again, I haven't seen it yet, but my guess is like it's something like where they do TLG or TGL, something like that would be my guess, but I'm not 100% positive.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's only cool and people seem pretty psyched about it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Didn't, not a lot of people watch on TV.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I was just looking at the ratings.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean,

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[SPEAKER_00]: a little bit down from the normal weeks, but they were the one hour, the one hour.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, one hour edition did three 64 and a 0.05.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_00]: 342 at a 0.05.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, not didn't like the world on fire anything.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I wasn't expecting it to, but yeah, little disappointing, loaded up, loaded up card for a collision.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, Darby defending his title, you don't see every week.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So are you still following these ratings as closely as you have in the past?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, I have to because I get paid to write about it, but I mean, I like you.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not sure how much I trust it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Although, I guess the only thing I can say is you kind of have to because whether these ratings are real or not, it is what the television contracts are going to be based on.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So if these numbers don't come up, I mean, you know, and whether or not that means Neilson changes the way they review it or more people watch,

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[SPEAKER_00]: I can't see a W getting $185 million for a TV deal in a year and a half if these don't come up.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Now, that said, I think they probably will come up, whether that, you know, Neilson adjusting, I hear they're going to do that again in August or, you know, just more people start watching.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Now, they may get a very good streaming deal if, you know, if the max numbers are up and again, we don't know, but they do.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So, you know, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not, and I'm not predict, like, I don't really need to be going to a business training.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't get me wrong.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not predicting that at all,

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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, you know, these numbers are like a third of what they were doing when, um, they signed this deal.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, that wasn't that long ago.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I can't imagine they're real happy with these cable numbers.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It just seems that the ratings are at the whim of these media companies and they're like, Oh, these suck.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Why, why, why are that you giving so much credit to streaming when, and then they're like, okay, hold on.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Let us adjust these.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, let us take away from streaming a little bit and give you guys a look.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They're just not meaningful anymore.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and then sometimes you'll hear these streaming numbers.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like I was looking today and I saw it because I was looking up this show.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That was curious whether it was coming back for another season or not.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Bad medicine, the Josh Charles show and Fox.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And apparently it did like 10.8 million streaming views on Fox for their for their debut.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't like.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't believe that at all.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like I know they're reporting it and I don't know of anybody that actually watches that show.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Fox doesn't even have Fox has that Fox one streaming service that nobody has to pay for.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You just basically get it for free if you have a cable.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So you tell me nobody watching on TV, like I think it did like 1.5 million or something like that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But 10.8 million people streamed it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I don't know about that one, but you know, and the reason I was curious is because it's like, I watch every week, but that's like the worst show until it's so bad.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But I still watch it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, and it's like, oh yeah, and it was apparently the highest stream show they've done in like five years.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I saw the same thing about the Tracy Morgan show on NBC, you know, I can't remember the name of it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And you know, I've heard that one's really good.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I've never watched it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I know one person that watches it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And apparently it's their most successful streaming comedy in five years.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And it's like, okay, either they're lying or they're the biggest because nobody watches anything on streaming.

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[SPEAKER_01]: that St. Dennis one with David and Greer is pretty good.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not I'm not watching a ton of like I'm there back to back.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think that was not watch.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I'm not watching a ton of current you know television.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like most of the television that I'm watching is older stuff.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I never watch out.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I do watch quite a bit of current television.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I never leave my basement.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I couldn't even tell you, like, you know, remember when we were kids, that would be like every September, there would be like a brand new pilot that got picked up and you get to watch it and you're like, oh man, coming to America, the TV show, this sucks.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's not gonna last, but it's like stuff like that where there was always something new every September that you were just super jazzed, check out.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, we're gonna piggyback this on top of whatever the hot show is because we want a lot of people to see it and then they started doing that with like the Super Bowl.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I go Super Bowl's on NBC, we'll show this new show after the Super Bowl, so a lot of people see it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I literally cannot tell you what these new new shows are these days.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, no, I know what you're saying, like I used to watch these to air like this half hour show at the beginning of the TV season for every network and it would like preview the coming season and that was like a point of viewing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's like, oh, what's coming and I haven't watched any of those in probably 10 years.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, I do try to watch new shows just to see what I like and what I don't know.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I usually add one or two every year, but it, yeah, it's definitely not what it used to be.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I couldn't even tell you what they viewed this year.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like I know what I watch, but I can never remember whether it's, you know, is this the first year, the second year, whatever.

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[SPEAKER_00]: This is that best medicine one I know and I watch it because it has Josh Charles in it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm a big fan of his, but that show is not very good.

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[SPEAKER_01]: then the like pilot episodes would just randomly show up on YouTube.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then you'd go like, oh, wonder why this thing didn't get picked up.

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[SPEAKER_01]: There was one that CBS did for Beverly Hills cop the TV series.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Eddie Murphy is in it like as a cameo, but it's like the son of Eddie Murphy is like the the focus and then Eddie comes in and he does like three minutes of actual fully and it's like awesome and I think they didn't pick it up just because Eddie.

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[SPEAKER_01]: didn't, you know, any couldn't commit to being on and more.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And so they didn't pick it up.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But I was like, oh, this is awesome.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then so this is probably like, I'm going to say, it's like 10 years ago.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So when we got the Beverly Hills cop for that Eddie actually did, they changed the story.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And it's the daughter versus the son.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But we kind of never existed.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, we could have had it's not in canon, but we could have had a Beverly Hills

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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, so we'll figure out what's going on with dynamite this week and you and Jeff will break everything down and then and then we have one more dynamite after that until the paper view which is coming up really yeah they'll have to announce I think we only got like about four to five matches for the paper so we should get a well I mean that's probably get like six or seven and then maybe a lot of couple you know the the week of

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[SPEAKER_01]: Lady B says that check out the new upcoming show based on legally blonde.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Hmm.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Hey, if Reecy Cup, if Reece with her spoon is in it, I'm watching it, but I don't imagine she's going to be in it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, she's dude.

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[SPEAKER_00]: She does a lot of stuff for like HBO Max, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Those uh, those uh, one hour dramas.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, she, I know she has her own production company, so she's probably doing stuff.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, and she does that thing with Apple as well with Jennifer Aniston.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That morning show.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Have you ever watched that?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, I love that show.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We watched these in one.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then we stayed away after season one.

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[SPEAKER_00]: No, I've I've I've been really into it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: My wife doesn't like she kind of stopped watching both mid third season or something.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But I know I love that show.

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[SPEAKER_01]: All right.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So we'll we'll check out what's going on with dynamite as that card gets a little deeper and then just follow the dynamite show and you'll get all the

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[SPEAKER_01]: all the 401 on that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So let's focus.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Let's switch gears to WWE.

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[SPEAKER_01]: How caught up are you with WWE?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Watched everything up to the SmackDown for the paper view.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But I'm kind of following the news.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So know what happened on backlash, even though I haven't seen it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I kind of got to keep track because we do this on.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I want to be informed.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, I'll be caught up.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think by next week

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[SPEAKER_01]: But so in the main event, we had a really good match with Roman Reigns and Jacob Fattu.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, Jacob Fattu is just kind of on a roll.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I posed this to Dave on Sunday, basically saying,

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[SPEAKER_01]: should they've waited to do this like because Jacob seems like he's on fire and he had to lose obviously because Roman was going to win that match and then on raw last night they had to run through this due to again like Roman thought back and and stuff but he kind of

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[SPEAKER_01]: And the brothers are the twins are there.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And they're all kind of standing against the barricade.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And so Jacob's done, like the show looks to be over.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And Jacob's walking back down the aisle.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And he's talking about all gas, no brakes, and stuff.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then he just kind of gets this thing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He kind of does the brawn breaker thing where it looks like he's done.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then he's got to hit one more crazy spear.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And so Jacob just like kind of looked in the camera.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I was ready to hear his catchphrase to end the show.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean, yeah, exactly.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And so then he just turns around and he books it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm like, where is he going?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Because we don't actually see where Roman and the brothers are.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And he runs full steam ahead through this barricade that those three dudes are standing up against.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And it looked awesome.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like just so fast and it looked like it looked like

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, a world class middle line back or blowing up a running play and just knocking the pile backwards.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like that sort of look like remind me of my sounds like when I think it was, was it brawn?

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[SPEAKER_00]: I wasn't brawn.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So, Oben Ricky Starks, I think they did something like that, where Oben just came barreling through, but you didn't even see it coming, but it was the other way around where you didn't even know he was coming and he just burst through something and just plowed Ricky out of

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So that's not it's cool.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And so now we have more Roman Reigns for the next month and a half or whatever.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So plans have changed in WWE as they have been of late.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I just, you know, I'm wondering how you can keep Jacob so hot.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They're building to another match.

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[SPEAKER_01]: going to have to lose two title matches like I'm just trying to figure out where they're going with Jacob here because he is doing everything pitch perfect and he's like ready like and I don't know you I don't know if you go all the way with him I asked Dave this a few months a few weeks ago it's like it's feeling like he's hot how do you do you is he a guy that

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[SPEAKER_01]: And, you know, we kind of had that conversation, I'm just like, I don't know what else Jacob could do, like what's left for Jacob, he just feels like the hottest guy on WWE TV right now.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, I wonder if maybe this caught them off guard and they weren't expecting him to perform at the level that he's performed at and to get over at the level that he's gotten over at.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so that maybe that is part of the reason why they've had to change their plans, because triple H very much seems like the kind of guy that would react to, like not,

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[SPEAKER_00]: that you get, but more like to, or listening to what's organically working, and, and adjust based on that, and so I, one thing I'm wondering, if could they possibly do a situation where Roman says, you know, I already beat you, I'm the head of the table, whatever, but then put your narrative.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then that's where Jacob wins.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then you'd have to do a third match.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then that would be another title match.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And they could punt that to a couple months down the road.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then at that point, if Jacob still hot, maybe he does beat Roman for the title.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And if he's cools down a bit, then, Jett Roman just wins.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then they resume regular programming.

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[SPEAKER_00]: As to what his next program was going to be.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So John said this last week on the fight game podcast.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He basically said,

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[SPEAKER_01]: He doesn't like doing this match at backlash, because he thinks it should be bigger.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He thinks it should be a Russell Mania match or a Summerslam match.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And doing it at backlash just felt too rushed.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And when he said that, it's kind of what I'd been thinking, but I didn't exactly say it like he did.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And as that match was going on, that's just what was in the back of my mind.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I was like,

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[SPEAKER_01]: I get it like because Jacob is freaking on fire right now and they have to beat him and it's just unfortunate.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, you got Jacob, you got Oba, they're both on fire, um, you got Gunther who they've kind of pushed pause on a little bit and probably because they're trying to get some other people over, but you have some folks and again, I don't mean to bring up conversations that I have on Reskins already, but I was like, you got some guys that are up and coming.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I don't sense that there are top guys right now who want to take a step backwards.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So we're going to kind of be meeting in the middle here and these wins and losses upcoming are going to be pretty interesting though.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You could always hold over Femi back, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: You don't have to put him in big stuff.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But man, are you going to miss the peak on over Femi if he's just the money and we're waiting.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So that's your risk.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But I want to see it like not I love Roman Roman is fantastic.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He's what he's one of the best guys going today.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I love Cody fantastic one of the best guys going today punk same thing but you have these guys who are getting over and then the next step is beating somebody.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And when do you do that?

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[SPEAKER_01]: You save it for your biggest match.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Of course, that's how wrestling works.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Got to be at Summerslam.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's got to be at Russell Mania, whatever, whatever, you know, money in the bank or whatever, whatever they deem as their big show.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And you build for it so that fans just, excuse me, fans are just like, can't wait for it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They're like drooling because they're they're looking forward to it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And that's what you do it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I just wonder if these top guys are gonna lose.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like that is kind of my thought here.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And, you know, this is historically a wrestling problem, you know, the guy booking it, booking the whole thing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like this was his rep back in the day as well, like you liked being on top.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So, you know, it's a great problem to have, but it is an intriguing booking situation because you wanna take advantage while the iron is hot, but also at the same point,

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[SPEAKER_01]: the top stars.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You don't want them to lose what they have because they're really hot right now as well to this audience.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah punk, I was just reading one of the comments.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Cody feels more likely to be the one that would that would that would lose right now to Gunther.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think it would hurt him.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You could play off, you know, maybe the eye injury or, you know, just the fact that Gunther is, you know, that hot and, and, you know, and then, you know, obviously, I think everyone assumes that it's going to be Gunther and Lesnar coming at summer time, I don't know how we get there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They're, they're flat out saying at this point that Lesnar's retired.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Lesnar Nassica.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We're not, we're not sure about what their future holds.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, I mean, yeah, although, you know, when you've got someone in the alumni section and they're in the then section of the open, um, but yeah, and like you say, I mean, you know, Jake a fat tooth super hot.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Roman is, you know, Roman's interesting character right now.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, you know, the way they are and but then that would probably necessitate them being heels.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But if they align themselves with that too, does that make him a heel as well?

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[SPEAKER_00]: I guess it depends.

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[SPEAKER_00]: If they're going to have another kick and all their asses, what does he need them for?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, exactly.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And especially if he brings in, uh, you know, Royce Key's Powerhouse Hobbs.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, definitely teasing that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, you know, that could be your new two men, uh, West

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, those those two, you know, tearing ass all over SmackDown would be a lot of fun and real good for for powerhouse, so yeah, I don't know, I like I don't I think it's it's kind of I like Lady Beast question and I feel like we should I was I was going to I was going to put it up.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I think he's personally, I think he's even hotter than Umaga was at his peak.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like the difference.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So Lady B, who's wondering about the comparison to Umaga, she wasn't really watching back then.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And so I absolutely 100% see the comparison.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But here's the problem.

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[SPEAKER_01]: In Vince McMahon's WWE, Umaga was the setup guy.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He was the setup guy for John Cena.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He was the setup guy for Jeff Hardy.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He would have never been allowed to kind of turn baby face in a sense.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm not saying Jacob is necessarily a baby face, but Vince would not have seen Umaga as a world champion for any long stretches of time.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, the the one comparison

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[SPEAKER_01]: And he's not the same wrestler, but you know, when when Vince put the belt on Yoko Zuna, that was a bit of like a, oh, like we don't usually have heel champions in this company in that way, like the big monster heel guy.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It would that was always the setup and Umaga was kind of like the Hulk Hogan heel of the month club, but he was so good and he was so believable and he had my

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[SPEAKER_01]: Uh, what was his name?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Armando Estrana.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, God.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I love that guy.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Armando, Alejandro Estrara.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He was so cool.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Armando.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And so, you know, I don't think Vince ever saw Umaga past like top level heel, who was never going to win the big one.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And that's why I'm wondering how Triple H sees Jacob because if you limit Jacob like Vince limited Umaga, then we're at the peak of Jacob right now.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like yeah, but if the idea is hey man Jacob we got two titles Jacob could be one of those guys and we could see and this is one when I made that comparison to Jay us so

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[SPEAKER_01]: they wanted they saw how hot Jay was getting and it was like, okay, can he get hotter if he gets the title, can he get hotter?

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[SPEAKER_01]: And the answer was no, like he was hot as hot as he was going to get right before we won the world title and maybe a little bit after, but then the balloon was off the road.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And it's really hard for baby faces to stay over after that journey to the title.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, that is going to be the the same thing with with Jacob if he does get the title as can he keep the heat of being the world champion when people are just so interested in that journey to the title and that path to the title.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I think Jacob from a talents standpoint.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They're close, you know, I think Umaga was super talented too.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe he doesn't have that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe he didn't have, you know, whatever it was that Vince wanted to see from him.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But, you know, Jacob just seems like he's got whatever that it factor is that they like.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He's just depending on whether or they go with him or not.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I mean, he's a promo, he's a better promo for sure.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think he's a comparable worker.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, like probably the best worker out of all the small ones.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think a lot of people will say that, you know, just never really got that opportunity to shine at the level.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, if you look at recent years of who they've given the title to, I mean, you know, um, I mean, Jacob is ahead of a lot of them,

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, he's probably, you know, Kevin Owens, that's the one I compare to all the time, and I think they're similar, you know, like obviously not the same kind of workers, but similar like, you know, just that different appearance that's not like the standard person that WWE usually puts in that position, but, you know, they're organically over with the fans and more of like an every man, but a believable, you know, character.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, you know, and they've even, you know, even lastly, when he got it, wasn't that long ago and, and, you know, he wasn't at that same level that he was 10 years before.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So, yeah, they could easily give him the title and Juse.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So, I mean, he's way better than Juse, so was not me.

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[SPEAKER_00]: almost as over, not quite as over as Jay was at his peak, but pretty darn close.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And way more credible in my opinion, you know, like if they had a royal rumble like this week, or something, you know, like we are building to a royal rumble right now instead of, you know, whatever the next paper used clash, like he probably be the favorite to win it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: you know, and it wouldn't be like when she would jiu-so-one it and he was like, I was a surprise.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and not necessarily a good surprise, you know, like we've had surprises in the past where it's like, oh yeah, I'm ready for that and it's like that one was more like,

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[SPEAKER_00]: And people are already predicting, you know, the doom and gloom and, you know, a lot of them were right, you know, that that it wasn't going to get over because yeah, I mean, he's he's over, but it's a catchphrase.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I liked it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I like to surprise and he just, he just didn't, he just didn't deliver to that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That one wasn't like I can't even blame WWE on that one.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like that was a lot of that was on him, you know, he just didn't deliver in the ring.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And even on the promos, unfortunately, they gave him every opportunity and he just didn't deliver, unfortunately, you know, and not everyone is cut out to be the face of the company and that's, you know, unfortunately, I think Jacob.

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[SPEAKER_01]: on real when Triple H said that he's got to get his wind up.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But I mean, you know, by the same token, he also was putting that guy over in those post maps, press conferences like every month.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He was like, did you see J. U.S. those entrances?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like he was clearly setting us up for what was coming.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And, and then, yeah, just didn't happen, unfortunately.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But with fact two,

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[SPEAKER_00]: I, it's gonna work because like you said, oh, I don't know if he's a baby face.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like I don't know what the presentation is, but the fans sure like them, I'll just say that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, you know, even when these angles are presented to make him look like the heel against Roman, he will his story with Roman is a baby face story, which is you are having all of this success and you left me and my family on the outside.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And, which is a little bit counter to the story that they were trying to tell with Jacob before, which was that he was his own worst enemy, all in the world, your own worst enemy.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so they've kind of flipped it without really explaining it, but you know, and then this other thing with Roman saying, oh yeah, I signed off and bringing you in, meanwhile like

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's definitely retkaning because if I'm remembering this whole storyline, right, solo brought him in to get rid of Roman, replacing that, that's them being meta, like you know, two meta in my opinion, like just don't, I mean, Roman's real good at delivering that stuff.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So, you know, you kind of just take yourself out of it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, I mean, he's,

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[SPEAKER_00]: you know like you know he's like the bad guy in an 80s you know like teen comedy and but yet he's he's positioned as the baby face which which I find fascinating maybe he should watch in a little Billy Zabka yes yes oh my god yes jaani jaani fahtu jaani so so yeah you know I look

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[SPEAKER_01]: I find WWE right now a little haphazard with some of the stories like it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: A lot of it feels like it's changing or they're not telling enough of the story, you know, because they have all these shows and we have Saturday's main event, which they really need to main event for, and I'm not exactly sure where they're going.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe it is Cody and something, but

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[SPEAKER_01]: They, you know, I mean, Cody and Gunther is already for the class, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: So they've all these shows coming up and I don't see the greatest pathway to like what the big matches are.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They're not telling us.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They're not telegraphing that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so, but, you know, I am interested in Jacob and I am interested in you could they do, could they do maybe Jacob and keys against Roman and one of the usos.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Or just against the usos and Roman is out of them until he needs to be in it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and then they get the win and then that's what you do to set up the title match.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's going to come.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I assume that maybe night of champions.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: What is that the Saudi show?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Right now.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, it's scheduled to be the Saudi show, yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I still have a vote.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We'll see.

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[SPEAKER_01]: All right, let's switch gears and kind of end this with some Ronda and Gina conversation now.

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[SPEAKER_01]: If you were to ask me what my favorite time as a UFC fan was, I would have two answers for you.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And one of those answers is not Conner McGregor, as much as I enjoyed the Conner run.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The first answer would be,

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[SPEAKER_01]: right at the beginning when Chuck Beats Randy.

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[SPEAKER_01]: for in the paper view after the ultimate fighter.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then until, you know, check doesn't last much longer as like the unbeatable guy.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But like kind of like the building to that Randy match and then him winning the championship, like that's my favorite time being a UFC fan because it was so new.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And it was like, I felt like I was at like the beginning of this insane, you know, this bubbling popularity.

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[SPEAKER_01]: would have to be when Rhonda came over from strike force because it felt like it was one of those things where you're a UFC fan, but if you are paying attention, you could see someone coming up and you could see them building and building and building and building on their way to becoming

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[SPEAKER_01]: a giant giant superstar and that was so fun to watch like remember when she was cutting those YouTube videos before her fight against what was that woman's name where she's like arm barring like the vacuum cleaner and stuff without the Sarah

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[SPEAKER_01]: cosmon fight, and she's like telling, you know, she's like, vacuuming her carpet and then doing arm bars and stuff on the back.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like stuff like that, just in the building, I mean, you know, strike force back in the day, Frank Shamrock would do a lot of these promos on YouTube that were like tremendous.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And so it's just like

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[SPEAKER_01]: you don't really see that stuff anymore.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's all so well produced and it's all packaged by UFC and no one's going to do that stuff themselves anymore.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But that was like such a fun time was that early, early ronda.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then when she comes in like Mike Tyson just killing everybody and then just like my daughter and hot owner.

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[SPEAKER_00]: For me, it's like it was the first part was when

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[SPEAKER_00]: Randy Kature, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's what we beat.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that to me.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like that's what got me hooked the first time.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But then I was following the Rhonda thing like right like I watched the Gina and saw Gina's matches and then her her loss of cyborg and then you kind of saw Rhonda coming up and I was on the Rhonda train like really early and and I remember talking to Dave and these are some of my very

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[SPEAKER_00]: this woman, it could be bigger than Gina.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And he was at the time with saying, she's clearly going to be the next big one, but I don't think she'll get to that level.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm saying, I'm telling you, she's going to be bigger than Gina.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And this was while she was still in strike force.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And it turns out I was right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I felt good about that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then, you know, they brought her in.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And the paperviews just kept getting bigger and bigger and bigger and bigger, right up until she lost.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so at that point, like, I was, yeah, I was all in on her and then that kind of took you right into the corner era.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then yeah, then you know, and then yeah, now she's been gone for what it was 10 years and and they're coming back this weekend against Gina, you know, ironically enough.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So the ronda thing,

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[SPEAKER_01]: there's a conflicting kind of discussion whenever you talk about Ronda because she's been in such in the public eyes that she was young and she has said some wild stuff and some really dumb stuff and you know the internet never forgets right and you know we we all can judge people based on the things that they say in public because that's part of being a celebrity.

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[SPEAKER_01]: She's always been one of my favorites, even throughout these ups and downs, and as you know, you know, I will call these idiots out for the things that they say and and hold that against them.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think some of it is because she is a pioneer in the sense of.

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[SPEAKER_01]: the idea of UFC.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, just look at Nucklehead Dana White talking about mental health and stuff, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, this is the guy who is leading their company.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And he is like a giant idiot.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And these are the hurdles that someone like Miranda or even a Gina, because Gina was so successful in her own way before that timeframe.

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[SPEAKER_01]: When you are a female in such a male dominated sport,

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[SPEAKER_01]: And your top commentator is doing wacky podcasts about conspiracies and the guy who runs the whole thing or at least the face of the whole thing is slapping his wife on video and just doing this wild stuff.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And yet, Rhonda says one thing that I'm sure she regrets.

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[SPEAKER_01]: severely and people are going to hold her accountable and not hold those guys accountable, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's whatever that is that's fair.

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[SPEAKER_01]: If you want to hold Ronda accountable for what she said, which is really stupid, go for it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not going to say that you're wrong.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Dana White, worse, Joe Rogan to me, worse, and yet, so you have this woman who's a fantastic athlete, marketable, does all the right things, but she still has to pedal her way through this

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[SPEAKER_01]: She's attacking, you know, I don't know why she's attacking Hunter Campbell so much like it's almost like Hunter Campbell is basically her example of everything she had to go through or that she's currently dealing with and she's just using him as like the, you know, the example or whatever, but I just find that story I find her journey to be so fascinating and why I'm always going to root for her she was in WWE.

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[SPEAKER_01]: She's like, screw this.

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[SPEAKER_01]: This sucks.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm leaving.

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[SPEAKER_01]: How many people in WWE can actually do that?

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[SPEAKER_01]: We see it now.

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[SPEAKER_01]: These people are getting, you know, they're, they're getting their pay cut.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They're, you know, they're, they're signing five-year deals and then WWE saying, sorry guys, see you later.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, Rhonda was like, hmm, I'm good.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's not, yeah, the only, the only terrible is a good tista, you know, kind of told them.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Thanks.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But no thanks.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm out here.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But Ronda was, you know, more closer to the peak of her career.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And yeah, just walked away.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's like, now I'm good.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And you know, some of it was she didn't, she didn't, she's not the biggest fan of the WWE universe to say the least, the foul and how fickle the fans can be.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And she was like that with UFC too.

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[SPEAKER_00]: She had a, she had a very much of a love hate relationship with the UFC fan base.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And if I think a lot of it is for those reasons that you point out.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And, and I mean, and you know, and you, you know, you talked about the guys on top, like what about,

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, even if you look at like Strickland and Chamayev and Colby Covington and the things that they say and do, Connor, you know, and yet, you know, like, yeah, they get heat, but they're also pushed to the moon and people paid us to watch them fight to this day.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, the two, two of those guys that I just mentioned fought this past weekend, it was probably the biggest show of the year.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, you know, and I think part of it is Ronda is also mad at the fact that UFC wouldn't book this fight and that's what she's lashing up because she feels that this fight should be happening in UFC and she's probably right and it probably should have been on that White House card.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Or at the very least, the show that's going to be the month after, which is, you know, they're rebuilding that one up to be a big one, too.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We'll see if Conner's on it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But, you know, and so for her and she's looking at all these fighters and knowing that they're getting ripped off, you know, and meanwhile, these, you know, rosy and coronal probably make more than maybe everybody on the last week's UFC combined, you know, for this, for this card.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And, you know, and they're not bringing in anything close to the money you have

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[SPEAKER_00]: So, you know, like, I don't know if Jake Paul's losing money on this show, but I he's definitely not making as much as T.K.O.

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[SPEAKER_00]: did.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, it's interesting, and I haven't heard anyone put this together yet.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So, Gina's fighting this Saturday, and then the following week, you know, it movie comes out.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, the Mandalorian and Greco and so she and that grow good.

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[SPEAKER_01]: No, she's not.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, she got she got persona non grotted.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, I know.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, she said some stupid stuff.

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[SPEAKER_00]: She said some stuff and honestly, she I mean, I think she doubled down on it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I go you say we're on to regrets.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think Gina regrets anything.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It just sounds like this is who Gina is and exactly hiding it from her family.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And she, she, her family has literal fuck you money.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, I'm surprised she's even doing this fight.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But if you believe Rhonda, she just wanted to get in shape.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not expecting much from the actual fight.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's this is what I was going to ask you.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's like, are we looking at like,

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[SPEAKER_01]: a minute in, Gina's got to give up to tap to an arm bar like, I think so.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I think the real main event in terms of the in-ring is probably going to be Nakede as I'm like Perry in the co-main.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, that's a cool.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That there's no reason that one shouldn't have been on a UFC show either.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, like, with all these cards that they have and they don't really have any real main eventers and, but the problem is Tequila doesn't need it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, they're they're raking in the money.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They don't care who watches these shows.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They know why, you know, like, so don't watch it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, that's Dana's attitude.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, and the freaking junior does Santos is on this card.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like I was just looking at it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like he's fighting that guy that everyone thought was going to be like the next cane.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Robela's Despawnier and then he got all this junior.

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[SPEAKER_00]: A guy's like 46 and then.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, he probably feels every bit of 46 though.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, this desk desk panier is like, you know, he was waxing everybody in like a minute.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think he was winning fights in like literally like four seconds and then he got to UFC and he won one fight in like a 15 minute decision and then he got beat and then he got cut.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And now here he is in MVP and in God is on the show as well too.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, France is a god of Philippe Leans.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's a PFL main event anywhere in the country.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, yeah, there's not a guy that's never going to be in UFC again.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then yeah, Nate, I know his Nate's got a couple of his buddies on the undercard.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So, um, you know where you can find the prelimbs.

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[SPEAKER_01]: YouTube, you can find it on Jake Paul's MVP YouTube as well as

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[SPEAKER_01]: to do Netflix's website.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, really?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, take all their website that basically the sound effect whenever you turn on your phone.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Because the name of their website, yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So what is that?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, is that a, is that a, like a YouTuber?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I think, I think they have a to doom YouTube channel as well.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But they just say that to doom website.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I'm assuming they just, they may just embed Jake Paul's YouTube feed or something in there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know how they're going to do.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I don't know if I'll be watching that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, I, I'm, I think I'm covering the show for, uh, at 4W.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So are you writing about it?

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think so.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I haven't officially been asked, but I was asked by somebody who said someone else was going to ask me and they haven't asked me yet.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, kind of planning are we are we jumping on with Dave after this.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think so I had to be honest like I'd rather not have to write about it, but if I'm good then because then I have to watch live.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, but you'll have to pay it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, you'll be paying attention.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yeah, if you're watching it, but then I won't be able to watch the UFC for sure because it's like there's just it's funny because I cursed myself last week.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I said there's not much going on next weekend.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then I forgot to two two MMA shows head to head.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There's a ring of honor paper view and well, you got it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You got to do the den house and thing where you do the curse and then you throw it in the mirror so it reverses the curse.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I, I'm excited, but I'm also kind of worried.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I, you know, there's, um, I'm not quite old enough to watch Muhammad Ali loose to Larry Holmes like that was a little bit before my time, but I always remember I remember the echoes of my dad saying that, you know, he that that fight having that fight having happened almost turned him off from boxing completely because his hero Muhammad Ali was like a shell of himself and they let him fight against the world champion.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't want to see a bad ronda.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't want to see her staggering and getting punched in the head and flip flopping all over the place.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I saw enough of that in her last two fights.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I'm kind of hopeful, like I said, and I'm like, hey, that's Gina's gonna throw some punches in kicks and if we can get her down and then arm bar then we're done, great.

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[SPEAKER_01]: what if Gina connects with one of these punches man ronda likes to stick or chin out there to she have enough power to knock around out though I don't know it doesn't seem like it will take that much based on what we saw from you know I don't know if she's training with marina and uh

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[SPEAKER_01]: My per Marine, it was another one who was getting knocked woozy by a bunch of his.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I was there actually for her debut.

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[SPEAKER_00]: In fact, I bought, I bought Roddy Strong's ticket.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, you guys?

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[SPEAKER_01]: I did, yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Wait, were they together already?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, he was interested.

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[SPEAKER_00]: In fact, I was told this and I accidentally broke K-fave because I was told by somebody that's friends with both of them and it wasn't supposed to be public knowledge and I said something and he kind of looked at me like, what would you do that?

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[SPEAKER_01]: six months later they're living together.

59:42.959 --> 59:47.006
[SPEAKER_01]: We both probably have some Roderick strong stories from the back of the day.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, sure he's he's he's he's a married man family man.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, yeah, we're talking about doing very well doing yeah, they got a couple kids and yeah, it's okay.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, I'm I'm looking forward to this one just, you know, for the, you know,

01:00:04.075 --> 01:00:05.398
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't even know.

01:00:05.438 --> 01:00:09.086
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't even know what I could even compare it to because it's like two of them at this level.

01:00:09.487 --> 01:00:16.081
[SPEAKER_00]: Like I remember that Chuck LaDelle was a Tito that he fought like, you know, not that long ago.

01:00:16.101 --> 01:00:16.742
[SPEAKER_00]: That was awful.

01:00:17.283 --> 01:00:21.132
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that was, I don't, I think the boys won MMA show that they ever did.

01:00:21.152 --> 01:00:22.354
[SPEAKER_00]: I think Tom Lawler was on that show.

01:00:22.374 --> 01:00:23.637
[SPEAKER_01]: I think Tom was on that show, yeah.

01:00:23.617 --> 01:00:32.388
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and I remember many D.C. like that that light heavyweight that everyone was comparing to D.C. at the time, that's who filled me fight.

01:00:32.748 --> 01:00:36.373
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and I thought he beat him, but they gave the decision to the other guy.

01:00:36.393 --> 01:00:38.055
[SPEAKER_00]: And then that went to UFC and did nothing.

01:00:38.115 --> 01:00:44.443
[SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, this, yeah, I'm, I think this will be better than that, just because I think it'll be short.

01:00:45.264 --> 01:00:52.813
[SPEAKER_00]: And yeah, and I expect, you know, Rhonda winning inside of like two minutes with a

01:00:53.350 --> 01:00:54.351
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I just don't want it.

01:00:54.371 --> 01:00:55.392
[SPEAKER_00]: I just don't want it.

01:00:55.913 --> 01:00:57.014
[SPEAKER_00]: I just don't want my heart broken.

01:00:57.094 --> 01:00:58.255
[SPEAKER_00]: That's the yeah, exactly.

01:00:58.295 --> 01:01:04.883
[SPEAKER_00]: No, we don't but he wants to see like them just like wailing at each other and missing and getting gased and having to fight.

01:01:05.684 --> 01:01:08.647
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, because that could be that could be not good.

01:01:08.887 --> 01:01:13.092
[SPEAKER_00]: I remember like Gina is back from the era when they would only let the women do three round fights.

01:01:13.492 --> 01:01:16.135
[SPEAKER_01]: Remember like in the native end, Gina's 44 years old.

01:01:17.093 --> 01:01:30.393
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I mean, honestly, I feel like she could even be older than that, like, because that's a long time ago that she thought, man, she looks like she's in great shape though, why haven't seen her like, so I mean, I'm not watching any of the pictures.

01:01:30.533 --> 01:01:40.789
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, I mean, you know, Netflix has a has a preview show and they're there hype show for Mike Tyson and Jake Paul was really good.

01:01:41.309 --> 01:01:52.385
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, it's, it's, it's kind of like, you know, the old 24 seven stuff just very well produced so I haven't watched the Ronda and Gina version of that yet, but I will want I'll try and watch it Saturday before the fight.

01:01:52.646 --> 01:01:55.270
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I'll, I'll try to make some time for that this week as well.

01:01:55.630 --> 01:02:07.047
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, because I am curious to see what Gina looks like I would, you know, like people in Hollywood, you know, 10 to age, like a little bit better than, you know, like fighters and the fact that she hasn't fought in 17 years.

01:02:07.027 --> 01:02:14.443
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, probably means she's going to age better than, like, you know, women that may be have been fighting the whole time or, you know, I don't even know how much she trains.

01:02:15.725 --> 01:02:21.357
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, I imagine she works out and stuff, but probably only been training really for the last three months I would think.

01:02:21.742 --> 01:02:31.680
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, well, it couldn't have said a lot for how she was training previously for Ronda's main reason to have this fight was to get Gina back in shape.

01:02:32.501 --> 01:02:34.465
[SPEAKER_00]: She's getting to 145, so that's good.

01:02:34.485 --> 01:02:36.088
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, that was her fight weight.

01:02:36.949 --> 01:02:41.337
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, that that she fought at so and Ronda actually is the one who's coming up from her fight weight.

01:02:41.654 --> 01:02:48.402
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, although I would imagine that that's the way she probably would have preferred to be fighting it because we're on the so still so muscular like she's got.

01:02:48.422 --> 01:02:53.529
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, she's got the traps and she probably put on some muscle when she was in WWE.

01:02:53.549 --> 01:02:53.949
[SPEAKER_00]: I would think.

01:02:54.810 --> 01:02:57.093
[SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, but 145 is a good weight.

01:02:58.515 --> 01:03:02.920
[SPEAKER_00]: I was surprised they even did a weight, but I guess if they want to be sanctioned, they kind of have to.

01:03:03.355 --> 01:03:09.284
[SPEAKER_00]: All right, so I'm thinking we're doing Saturday night with Dave on the wall.

01:03:09.304 --> 01:03:18.318
[SPEAKER_00]: I'll be watching anyways, so whether or not whether or not I'm covering it I will be watching live or close to live so I'll be done by the time shows done put it that way.

01:03:18.338 --> 01:03:19.980
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, what we will.

01:03:21.513 --> 01:03:49.697
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't want to put this one in pen quite yet just because like I'd Dave even I didn't even realize Dave was going to be away this weekend so but he'll you'll get you'll get ready to go and you'll be like oh I got four matches after watching the ring of honor paid reviews see he's not supposed to watch anything though that's the point okay I think we're only going to talk about this show okay and then maybe some stuff from the observer at least that's my hope because I don't plan on watching Smackdown or Collision by then so got you okay cool.

01:03:49.677 --> 01:03:50.158
[SPEAKER_01]: All righty.

01:03:50.758 --> 01:03:51.019
[SPEAKER_01]: All right.

01:03:51.079 --> 01:04:04.955
[SPEAKER_01]: Thanks to everyone for checking in and hanging out and you know we don't usually get a chance to talk about MMA on this show though we both are still watching Paul's really deep and it's still and I'm you know I'm watching enough so that I can do that show with Dave.

01:04:04.995 --> 01:04:08.359
[SPEAKER_01]: But this is a show that I can kind of get back into.

01:04:08.379 --> 01:04:09.681
[SPEAKER_01]: You can watch it as a fan about.

01:04:09.961 --> 01:04:10.522
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

01:04:10.542 --> 01:04:10.842
[SPEAKER_01]: All right.

01:04:11.783 --> 01:04:12.424
[SPEAKER_01]: That is it from here.

01:04:12.464 --> 01:04:13.445
[SPEAKER_01]: So four Paul.

01:04:14.486 --> 01:04:15.568
[SPEAKER_01]: I am WG.

01:04:15.608 --> 01:04:18.351
[SPEAKER_01]: We will see when we see you piece out.