NJPW BOSJ 33 Night 1 Review: Kosei Fujita & Nick Wayne Shine | Speaking of Strong Style

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[SPEAKER_00]: The best of the super juniors began today with a show at Corkon Hall.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And for me, anyway, it felt like a breath of fresh air.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I think it did for a lot of other New Japan fans as well.

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[SPEAKER_00]: A large enthusiastic crowd met up with a crew of juniors who matched that energy.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And it was a good example of what we've been missing lately.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We're going to look at night one, preview this week's action to come.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We'll look back more at the career at Tiger Mask.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We have some heroes, she tensed on news, planning to get into.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Which Army Finestone, I'm Stephen Conway.

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[SPEAKER_00]: This is Speaking of Strong Style.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Welcome everyone to Speaking of Strong Style, where we discussed the news issues and events surrounding New Japan Pro Wrestling.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Until today, it was a quiet week, Jeremy.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There was the United Pro Wrestling basically Young Lions show, but other than that, just today's best to the Super Junior's.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So we had a little bit of time to breathe.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I would be curious, how did you spend your week?

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[SPEAKER_00]: What were you went to?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Have you been?

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[SPEAKER_01]: What did I do this week?

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[SPEAKER_01]: It was uncharacteristically busy at work because of mother's day.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So that was a whole, that was a whole, just whirlwind of a weekend.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then, cut devil wears product, the drive-in on Sunday night.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then I actually spent Monday or Tuesday watching,

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[SPEAKER_01]: Monday, I watched, they live because I have to I have to discuss that show for another podcast here on the network, and then they'll run around and this week was a this week with a whirlwind and today I don't know what happened I had to watch that show and I had to get ready for this show and I just it's 230 and here we are.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We have Brad live with us and he says, well, welcome to Stephen Review's Dynamite.

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[SPEAKER_00]: No, no, no, there will be no dynamite reviews this week.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I know, huh.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I did not stress myself out by doing that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But no, I watched Super Junior's too.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I took the opportunity to get caught up with the shows that I couldn't see over Golden Week as you can see them all, it's just too busy.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I'm caught up on the All-Japan Champion Carnival now.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I've got up with that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to be working on some start them and some marigold as as marigold gets to toward its shine forever anniversary show, which has been taken off of paperview Jeremy due to a couple of key injuries in that company.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There are injuries are going to be a theme of the day in a lot of ways.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I hope it doesn't strike.

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[SPEAKER_00]: the best of the super juniors tournament.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's certainly struck champion carnival where two of the very top stars ended up hurt and out of forefitting their matches.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So June Saito, who was the triple crown champion.

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[SPEAKER_00]: When I saw this tournament in person last year, he had his eye socket busted up on the very first night.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He was out for the tournament.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yuma Anzai.

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[SPEAKER_00]: one of the younger top stars for all Japan ended up getting hurt and had to sit out the last couple of days.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And hopefully it doesn't affect him too much for all Japan.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They were trying to capitalize on him a little bit Jeremy.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's actually a contestant on the Bachelor at in Japan this season.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So he's getting some mainstream publicity as one of the guys who are vying for the bachelor arts affections on national TV.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So you would hope you could have the guy on your cards, but unfortunately he got hurt, but and we're seeing a grand sumo for God's sake.

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[SPEAKER_00]: My goodness, just crushed with injuries, both Yoko Zuna out injured Jeremy right now.

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[SPEAKER_00]: One of the Ozeki's out injured Taka Yasu, one of the other guys, I think he's the second

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[SPEAKER_01]: uh... he was uh... ericoma so we may be he was uh... yeah and we mentioned you got you got the re who announced that she needed a month off and then got an out for a tournament in AEW today call up and make clear that they're going to push that tournament far back is possible so that everyone who injured is going to be in there but yeah man it

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[SPEAKER_01]: the injuries are being nursed across the board, you know, there's still some suspicion that Doki is a little banged up right now, and they just didn't better not talk about it, but you know, storyline, so better to make it sound too chaotic, but you might be a little banged up.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, you know, too, uh, Marigold, uh, they have shine forever.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Their anniversary show coming up.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And Maya Liwetani is, is out with a broken toe.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The Victoria Yuzuki, their United National Champion, is out with an ACL issue.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We're not sure how long, uh, but that's two of their main champions, not the champion, Mikuano is still okay.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But, uh, that, uh,

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's just a major major names out injured across pro wrestling and and sumo wrestling and and it's uh, I'm hoping the bud doesn't bite new Japan basically is what I'm saying right there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We've got a long tournament coming here.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We're only on night one and these guys have either depending on who you are either eight or nine tournament matches to go and I don't want to see these guys get hurt Robbie X got scratched up a little bit.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know if you saw that you got a little bit of a map of the face.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's the one I'm wondering about if that's more than just, you know, a little bit of, a, a little bit of rug burn on the face from that, from that kick.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I hope that's all of this.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I hope that's all of this, but yeah, he, he was, uh, bashed up already.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I hear a gut busted open today a little, I think hard way, too.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think that was a play job, but, uh, yeah, we don't have time.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It looked like the top of the head, but it seemed to want to more of a trickle.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And, um, you got to be concerned about any, like any time somebody gets busted open, but I, I will get,

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[SPEAKER_01]: to take care of Lee worried about Akira, watch her get her life something and get her to the out for like a match here but now that's not what I meant by that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The only other news we had this week regarding the heavyweights, because they're kind of off for the month, really.

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[SPEAKER_00]: A lot of these cards coming up are all junior heavyweight matches.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There'll be some of the others on there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But, uh, tens on announced that he is indeed going to retire this year.

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[SPEAKER_00]: This has been supposed for a long time.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And, uh, may have happened last year, similar to Tiger Mass Jeremy, might have happened last year for work for the Tana Hashi tour, which would have overshadowed everything.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But,

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[SPEAKER_00]: We've watched Tenson really drop back as terms of his health and what he is able to do physically in the ring.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And it's gotten worse and worse.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He slowed down tremendously, probably, you know, 10 years ago.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's been a while since 10 cozy was a real contending tag team.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But what we have seen from Tenson over the last couple of years is kind of painful to watch in a lot of ways.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The nerve damage

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[SPEAKER_00]: a couple of years past time really on that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, here.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, she tends on announcing that he is going to hang up the boots as well a couple of months after tiger mask does so a couple of the couple of the dads dropping off the active roster anyway.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He's probably three matches in the last two years.

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[SPEAKER_01]: What, 10's on?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, he's just hasn't been, he just hasn't been up.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He's there for like the absolute special occasion, but they don't use him.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And when you saw him in the ring, you're just, he is the epitome,

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[SPEAKER_01]: of the phrase a shell of their former self, like when they when they can and he's still a great person, he's still highly regarded, but the injury is taking a toll and I have seen a few temps on matches from a K-day, but I didn't get into New Japan.

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[SPEAKER_01]: during a time where he was really, like, prioritized is one of the top guys, and so for me, it is more of an educational experience at a time like this to hear, like, from people, because like,

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[SPEAKER_01]: with New Japan, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: You have, you have the core people that everyone always go back to from the 2010 to 2020, the Nakamura and the Okada, the Tanahashi and all that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You go back to generation before that and the generation before that and you have the Nagada and the people and that kind of thing,

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[SPEAKER_01]: The knowledge base isn't quite there and the recognition of what the you guys could do, you know, I rely on Steven in a lot of ways to really provide that context for it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But between listening to him and you know, talking with Dave the other night about it, just it's really clear that the, the state of what Japanese pro wrestling is today,

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, tens on came up while the original three musketeers were in the main events.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So, Chono, Hashimoto, Muto.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He was a notch below those guys, but coming up.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So, it was Kajima for that matter.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I remember like the 1996 G1, one of the best G1s they ever had, one of the most exciting.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They were kind of the young guys in those tournaments, and not as in young lions.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They were,

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[SPEAKER_00]: having good matches and beating a lot of the roster, but running into the main event guys would be tough matchups for them at that time.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And Kojima and Tenson were on opposite sides and then they were best of friends and best of enemies for years after that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Once Shono Muto Hashimoto sort of aged out of those roles or left company and they took over that top spot

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[SPEAKER_00]: Along with Megata and along sometimes with, you know, like a guy's like, Oh, God, uh, and

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[SPEAKER_00]: a few other names that I could go through a whole day would just be a list of people.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But they defined that next era, and Ten Son was a huge part of that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And they did some very interesting things.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And he was a hell of a worker in his day when he was healthy.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then he and Kojima formed one of the great tag teams in New Japan history.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So as his retirement approaches, we'll do what we're doing with

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[SPEAKER_00]: tiger mask, what we did with Tana Hashie will look back at his career and kind of get a good grip on it and what it means.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But as far as as far as I know, Jeremy, I haven't heard otherwise, he's still helping out a lot at the No Gay Dojo and helping to train guys.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's just one of those one of the vets that helps come in at least gives advice.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know how much physical training he's doing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He might just be more pointing in ordering around now, but that's okay as long as they follow his instructions.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There's a lot to learn from Tenson and if you go back and watch his

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[SPEAKER_00]: late 90s and into the 2000s.

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[SPEAKER_00]: This was a star.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, he strives to be a part of the council, you know, New Japan, you can't really go in front of the camera, but, you know, they're keeping the train running on time that that old guard of people just, you know, behind the scenes, making sure that, you know, they're transferring that knowledge and timing and how to make that connection with the audience, you know, you could make the joke that they're really doing a great job of that, but, you know,

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[SPEAKER_01]: They do serve a purpose and even if the tools aren't being used correctly, at least they have the tools at their disposal at some point, they'll be applied magnificently.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And we mentioned it before.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Our beef with New Japan is with the booking.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's not with the talent.

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[SPEAKER_00]: These are talented, talented wrestlers.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And the guys that they're training and the guys that are coming out.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They're talking to the booking, anything.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So, yeah, you know, like, I mean, but giving them the tools to succeed.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, he's not the reason for all of their problems.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Now, New Japan has very talented guys.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's just, we just got to deploy them better.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Anyway, point me that that's you're speaking of guys that are training.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Shoma Kato is on his excursion out in Mexico.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And Jeremy, I got a chance to see a couple of his matches from Arena Mexico.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He was part of the 70th anniversary of Arena Mexico itself.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There's 70 years they've been running that building.

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[SPEAKER_00]: that just seems like an incredible number to me, but CML is on a different scale.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They're approaching, approaching in a few years anyway.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They're 100, they're sent, they're sent, they're sent anyhow.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But anyway, they had a ceremony in a big show for the 70th anniversary of Arena Mexico.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And they had a Mexico versus Japan match in the middle of that where Shomakato was on the Rudo side with Okamura and Uttari,

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[SPEAKER_00]: Top Japanese guy right now.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's not part of the New Japan system.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's a I believe that you Tari first went to Mexico to be a soccer player when that didn't pan out.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He got into Lucha Really talented dude, but Shoma.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I got to tell you Jeremy is turning out to be a heck of a heal

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[SPEAKER_00]: uh... he's got his uh... hair dyed blonde he's got new outfits and his facials and his attitude out there it's working for me i i i hope you get a chance to see it at some point because uh... i think shumakato might be a pretty darn good heal something

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[SPEAKER_01]: I look forward to seeing him coming back because I haven't seen a bit of personality.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'll be honest with you, Steven.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The only thing I've really seen of Shilkato is having a great time grilling on a roof with a couple of the other guys for seeing that well.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And it's like, you know what?

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[SPEAKER_01]: good for you buddy.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Just go hard.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I like it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He is embracing the journey, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: And that's something that we suspect that he would.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He asked to go to CMLL.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That part was real when he said that in backstage comments like he he wanted to go and learn Lucha and he got his opportunity and he seems to be enjoying being in Mexico for a while and he's doing pretty well.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's getting

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[SPEAKER_00]: All the signs are go there and encouraging for Shana.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I, um, I got to get in on that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The MLL.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I already have segmented a certain amount of time for pro wrestling.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And you, Japan does take up a sensible chunk of that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And it will be a good couple of months.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We're getting hard right from here until I'm going to see about September.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Let's put to the play.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I am planning for two hour shifts.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We go 90 minutes.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We go extra.

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[SPEAKER_01]: December time.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They're, they're, they're shant be short shows.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think with the amount of stuff that we are going to be talking about.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So, um, that was some impression of the way to go on with the 10 government.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You could pretty much guarantee that our G1 show is going to be, uh,

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[SPEAKER_01]: the a little bit longer to chew on, so maybe maybe have a few more commute that you can use that use that show for.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So that's that color book and that that is more stuff for us to really break down and talk about and good for us again.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's both so.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm going to try to keep an eye on the guys as they go through their excursions.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And as best we can anyway, there's not always footage available, but we'll try to track their careers.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So and wait until they come back.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So we had Abbas, the Super Junior's today.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That was just this morning.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I watched it first thing when I got up.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And Jerry, did you enjoy it as much as I did?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Because this felt like the kind of energy I wish New Japan had had for the last few months.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It seemed like the crowd was ready for this.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The wrestlers were ready for it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Now, of course, they were doing nine matches.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so most of it was kept short, except for the final two.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But I thought most of the people did something interesting with a little bit of time we had.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And when it was over with, I felt like today was a really fun day of wrestling to watch.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Even with the House of Torture House of Torture Match, I don't think there was a bad match on the card.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think everyone would just energize and motivate it and really like, okay, we know that people are thinking right now, let's go out there and let's go put on a show.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And that's what they did.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I'll tell you what Stephen, I had heard the,

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[SPEAKER_01]: the best of the Super Junior 33 theme song, but I was not expecting.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Was a Japanese take on Irish punk music.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It was a different sound than what we used to when it comes to things like...

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[SPEAKER_00]: It kind of came to the theme band.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But there was a band that was put on the wire.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And they got notoriety from that show called the Pogues.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And if you hear some of their music, and you hear some, I knew about the Pogues 15 years before the wire.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm just saying, that's how I work about it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So you and I do have a little bit of an age gap here.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then we'll put them in music.

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[SPEAKER_00]: All right, fine.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Now the post run Saturday night live in the late 80s and Shane McGowan, the lead singer was spent his life drunk.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm not saying that in a romantic way, he had severe alcohol and she ended up really killing him.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But Shane was hammered to the point of incoherence on SNL and they still sound great.

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[SPEAKER_01]: All I'm saying is that this was the music that I thought of when I heard this theme on, you know, that's a different energy.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's actually a good side.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's different than the J Rock we've been getting, isn't it?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, a lot different.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's kind of the energy was good.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I got the notes and what?

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[SPEAKER_01]: We had a Jacob-off being young in Tajishi, Mori, like out the gate.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm telling you, man, from the get-go, I just felt like

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[SPEAKER_01]: Those guys were motivated, and if she morey, you know, had that had that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The veteran like energy, Jay had that hungry dog like I got to show what I got and then everybody just kind of had a role to play tonight and you know there was no June to say you had a like previous engagement so a couple of the I believe a block matches of his are going to be on a B block only night so we're going to have six matches on those nights.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, I think of the 24th and and a couple other like next month in Saturday something like that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I don't know, man, even with out June because I invalidate Junior tonight.

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[SPEAKER_01]: This is great.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Good stuff.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It was and we're going to go over match by match starting with that opener you mentioned this you're more and Jacob Austin young and just a bit walkers to it not there but he will be apparently they come back to cortical in next week next Wednesday I think and we're expecting to join them then Chris Charles will be handling things the meantime you have Gino Gambino still with them and Brad mentioned.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, let's go for it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, Brad mentioned this.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He said, I'm not sure I'm feeling genome that much.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think he's good, but when he heals out, he becomes almost unbearable at times.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I agree with you, Brad.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think when he starts to do it first of all, he was in kind of in bullet clubs.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So that was one thing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But it sounds very, very corny when he heals out like that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And he just starts doing all the old, just even Tura cliches.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I don't enjoy it that much because especially when he's not doing that he's a pretty good commentator fairly good

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[SPEAKER_00]: The other thing I'll just say about that is sometimes especially with Walker who can shiny objects and Walker distracted very, very easily.

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[SPEAKER_00]: When they were going back and forth and joking around during Don Taco, it was hard to listen to sometimes.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It was just too much screwing around on there to the point that I think they forgot they were watching a wrestling show.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I think he can do better than this, but sometimes when he starts to do that whole now he acts like he's a house a torture member or something just because he doesn't really know what else to do on that, but it's some of it is funny a lot of it's not and when he really goes in hard on it, it feels very cliche and 80s 90s style that doesn't really quite work.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think anyone believes it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think it sounds corny and it doesn't sound genuine yet when he doesn't do that, he's much better.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So whenever he does, I want Chris to like, you know, just give him a little pat on the arms to send him back, come back to us, come back to us.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You don't need that anymore.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's stuff for the old tapes.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You can, you know, if you want to hear Jesse Ventura, Jesse Ventura, you can do it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But, you know, stay with the stay in the present, I would say.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I agree with everything that you said about what his role was and I validate what Brad is feeling about it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I was totally fine with him, I was a breath of fresh air for this show with him in Chris Charlton.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I thought he kind of made things a little bit lighter and it just, he kind of went with the energy that the crowd had because that crowd was having fun with it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know like they were into the they were into the action and they were into what was going on between all of the matches and we'll get into some of these matches in which the crowd really got into what was happening.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But I felt like he was just playing that energy into the audience at home, you know?

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I definitely got a hean and vibe off of him.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, where he was trying to go like that, that hewish, like play by play, color guy.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I guess you had Jesse Ventura, that's kind of in the thing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But he was going for more jokes than he was, like cleverness.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I felt like, that's why I kind of went with Jesse

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[SPEAKER_00]: would do commentary, really talk about it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He could be really, really good.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then sometimes Jesse would just spazz out about Hulk Hogan or Tito Scentan or something like that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And he would, it would be a little bit distracting.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's what it reminded me of.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, fair enough, he didn't know that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I guess the best way I could put it is if people were checking the hell, say for Nick Wayne or people were checking it in.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Some time,

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[SPEAKER_01]: with Charlton and Walker it can come off a little galactic you know we're like it's just constant lessons telling you stuff they get into the action and so like that but it but it's almost too high brow.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, like, smartest guy at the room telling you everything and want to make you as smart, but sometimes here's like, I just want to watch the show.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And so with the Gino conversation, you can almost just watch the show and tune in and out of what you're saying and really get into the action at the same time and not feel like you're missing, like a very important history lesson about what's happening in the ring.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, fair enough, friend of Elias is here.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm glad for an anniversary.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So it's just adventure is the goat on color.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, probably is.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm curious, friend of have you ever heard Roddy Piper when he was on World Championship wrestling for a while with Gordon Soli.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He was almost as good as Jesse was at doing that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Playing the heel guy who could also say something true about the strategy or the find a way to say something good about the baby face, a lot of being a compliment.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, and he was very, very high over the heel.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, the pipe was almost as good.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Now, the pipe that did commentary in the WWF didn't work.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He was on 11 or 12.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And the pipe that was on Georgia Championship, especially in a World Championship wrestling, was more on the six, as far as enthusiasm.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Until, you know, like he would start feuding with Bob Armstrong or he had the thing with Magnificent Morocco where he would go nuts.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That contrast would really work.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, you know that I guess the contrast is there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I kind of like the humor sometimes.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, sometimes he says stuff that's really, really funny.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I appreciate that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And for the love of goodness, it's nice to have a partner out there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's I mentioned the poor Walker who I, I know I give Walker a hard time, but no one should have to do a six and a half hour broadcast alone like he did for startup at Grand Cleanup and super junior is a lot.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There's a lot going on on these shows.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And it does help to have someone to allow you to catch a breath, get a drink of water.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So you mentioned Roddy Piper just a second ago and I wasn't expecting you to do that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But this is a great segue for me to mention something that's happening tomorrow, which is on the fight game media network at 4 p.m. Pacific 7 p.m. Eastern.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Garg and Zollis and I are going live for popcorn and pile drivers, where we are going to discuss the movie day live with a rowdy, rowdy paper from 1988.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's correct about John and I have to watch this movie recently.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's John Carpenter movie, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, John Carpenter movie.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And that alien strip mining the earth's resources before they move on to another world.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And by 2025, they'll have completely taken over the power elite of the world.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So it's a documentary.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, I was the wildest thing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But you'll watch it like, wow, this movie out kicked its coverage.

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[SPEAKER_01]: A lot, a lot of horror is social commentary disguised as horror and not a Reagan honest talk, but that tomorrow, Garrett and I both watched the movie the last couple of days and so we're getting together tomorrow and every month.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We're going to be doing a new one.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So join us tomorrow.

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[SPEAKER_01]: What we are going to do is if you join us on the show, we'll have you help us figure out what

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, cool.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, we're trying to figure it out, but part of it is, maybe we should just ask the audience what they want us to watch.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I told Garrett, I'm not doing the show until they start doing things like El Santo versus Dracula and stuff like that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Let's just go.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I want to get that man.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I will watch this and this reciting like song on the on the representation of Dracula and all of media of love, the representation of El Santo and all of me.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I will come hard at you, Steven.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And Fernando's already doing lines from they live for us.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm here to kick us and chew bubble gum and I am all out of bubble gum.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, that line is great.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But in context of the movie, it covers out of nowhere.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And it is the hardest left turn in the entire movie.

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[SPEAKER_00]: All right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So look forward to that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They live and I said, I mentioned earlier, it's somehow more relevant than ever.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It is unbelievable.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I watched him at the outside shot and like the home was in the slum and the camp of people living like, and I was like, wow, look like it could be today.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Might as this car is in the cell phone.

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[SPEAKER_01]: There's no cell phone.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Other than that, not great, Bob.

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[SPEAKER_00]: All right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, what was great was today's action.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We're working all so let's take a look at that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, we're working.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And thank you for your comments on that guys.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We're having fun with the two right there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, Jeremy or says, have you done body slam yet?

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[SPEAKER_01]: No, but I'll look it up.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I like to hurt people.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I like to hurt people.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, that's a good one.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Good wrestling.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I know any of these.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh my goodness.

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[SPEAKER_00]: All right, folks, we'll get Jeremy edge of the edge of a catered up on this.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I like to shame me.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't care.

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[SPEAKER_01]: What else?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Now I'm not trying to shame me.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm just saying these are classic wrestling films.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm telling you that the original wrestler, but Ed Asner playing Verne Ganyan.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, come up with these movies we're already covered by John O'Rocke and Garrick, and it's all sort of previous iteration of the show.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I believe the wrestler a legendary review I know too.

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[SPEAKER_00]: really good barfite scene with the young dusty roads in Dick Murdoch and then that one.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think they marked it out over that one.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I saw no holes bar the day came out and they hit her.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I'm not too bad at it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, like you do, I was a dookie, dookie.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Thank you for correcting me, you nerd.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I know I'm ashamed of myself.

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[SPEAKER_00]: All right, let's move on here.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We've got to talk about Super Junior's for goodness sake.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So we're going to get sidetracked big time.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But we had the opener, Taiji, Shimori, Jacobos, Nyong, Liz Jacobos, Nyong's first Super Junior match.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And he showed up and he was he was ready to go and I don't think he's going to score a lot of points, but I think he's going to have a lot of good matches.

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[SPEAKER_00]: This is talented dude and Brad is taking us on his daily walk and run.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So good.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I like hearing that people are listening to us in a lot of various ways.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's very cool.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Glad you with it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Congratulations to Brad.

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[SPEAKER_01]: By the way, I don't know if you know Steven, but.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He had worked very hard to lose a tremendous amount of weight, and he has commented on how much better he feels and that he has not done.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I just wanted to take a moment and tip my captain him and say that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Making changes like that in your life for whatever reason it's hard and sticking to those changes is hard and when you do it and you're happy and you find ways to make those changes stick.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You should be very proud of yourself because for a lot of people that are very, very tough to change habits that they have developed their tire level.

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[SPEAKER_00]: very well said.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So this was the opening match here, and congratulations, Brad.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, absolutely.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We're glad you're feeling healthier.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Taijishi Mori, Jacob Austin, young.

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[SPEAKER_00]: This is a nice crisp opener.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It was fairly basic, but Jacob Austin young showed up here.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Ishii Mori is a great guy to work with, of course.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He won, ishii Mori won with Alamistika into the bone lock.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But this tournament's not about Jacob Austin Young contending.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He is in that classic position of tournament debut, a guy who is fairly low on his factions totem pole for now, but has all kinds of potential.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And this is all just about getting those matches against a wide variety of opponents and settling into

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[SPEAKER_00]: what's going to be a pretty healthy career with New Japan, I think.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I really think a lot of this guy.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And this is one of those things where you can just showcase, you're probably going to lose most of your matches, you'll get a couple of wins.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But it's not about that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Just go out there, wrestle well, and show the company that you can be put in with a lot of different people and be successful.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, um,

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[SPEAKER_01]: What they like to do a lot is they're viewing refs in best superjuice have them when they're for a spec and they're what a better prevailing logic to have, you know, JY have an upset here and then you know, go forward after the tournament and maybe issue more ain't Robbie and when, you know, tag title yet them, you know, get a win back kind of thing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Nothing like that at all.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You just much more of a basic like you are a man to serve a purpose here and it is not your day today.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But if you keep doing the work like this, it'll be your day at some point.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Anna, he's got a better day for head and he showed a lot of fire on a promise and he looked really hungry when he was going after he was going after he was getting heat spots.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know what I mean?

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[SPEAKER_01]: And so I thought for an initial spotlight on him, he's really is one of the first single matches ever in each man.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's good.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I liked it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, he hasn't had very many and a couple of more against young lions and things.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So this is a prominent spot for him.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, like you know, we'll finish the one that's the gun, the bow and the bow and the mission.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I just, everyone like for you, the one that's taken out, which is the actual mission.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's just a spinning around before you get somebody on the ground.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, Mystica ends with the shoulder breaker, essentially, is what Mystica does with that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But he's the hottest baby face in all the wrestling right now.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So that's going to spur and some emitators.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But Ishimori does very well.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We all know I feel about Ishimori.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I was glad this was more of a night for the guests than anything else.

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[SPEAKER_00]: This was about making a lot of the guests look good.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so Jacob, Austin Young, that you can't do all upsets all the time.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So he'll be fine.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He'll be fine.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to preview the next one for you right now.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Steven, I loved this.

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[SPEAKER_00]: This was the House of Torture Derby.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So we had show in the Oceanobu kind of Maro against one another.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And this was far more entertaining than it had a right to be.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Certainly better than they usually were.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And they're quick.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It was quick.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That was the key here because they did some good in the middle of the day.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Welcome.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They did the, they did do the usual that no one ever believes that these guys are going to lay down for one another and turn into a small package all that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But catamaro and show are both talented guys when they are allowed to wrestle and they had a fun little pinning sequence of pin attempt sequence and then they kept the pace going.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They know they want to going long so they didn't have to rest.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They didn't go slow.

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[SPEAKER_00]: This was not a plotting house of torture match for

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[SPEAKER_00]: minutes it seems between moves doing anything else.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There was no waiting this and this one like we get from the heavy weights and house torture.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We got crisps off here and then eventually kind of R.O.

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[SPEAKER_00]: went to spit the whiskey but showed tricked him into spitting the whiskey onto second moto, the referee got him disqualified in an out in three and a half minutes and what we got there was actually a high energy in the lot of fun.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know what?

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[SPEAKER_01]: showed if not get enough credit for is his promo skills, him going out there with a microphone before this mat started and it's playing to everyone that this is a mat worthy of the Tokyo dome and that they the fact that they are doing it in the open one of the opening mattress of the best of the super genius is frankly an insult.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I guess we're just gonna have to show you what we have and why we deserve to be there.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then we got this match and I was just like, I love you so much.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And if it's exactly what I need for you and my man, you have delivered.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Thank you so much.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And wasn't a queen finish, but we got a queen winner or a dirty winner.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know if you wanna put it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: This is good house to torture stuff, man.

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[SPEAKER_01]: This is good stuff.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We don't see good house torture stuff much, but this is an example of it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We had Reesuke Taguchi and Daiki Nagai.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Next, this is a pretty standard match.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Now, the story they're telling with Taguchi is that he is tying Juition Liger's record for most BOSJ appearances, I think it's 22, and also approaching the record for victories in the tournament.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So this is another win for Taguchi.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He beat

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[SPEAKER_00]: Pretty standard match, like I mentioned, nothing wrong with it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Nagai is another one who is not going to be winning very often in this tournament, but it's a showcase for him to wrestle a lot of different appointments and singles matches.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And, you know, it was fine.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It was another way for Teguchi to approach that record without interfering in the results high on the table, so to speak.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, he came out there.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He looked really, really good.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He had that like, there were some polished things that he kind of got crossed up with to Gucci, like in the middle of the ring, like, did he go like, behind him, or did he send him in for like an Irish whip?

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[SPEAKER_01]: There were a couple moments like there, but he had more ready than I thought.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He was going to be for this, and I know that he's been hungry and I know he's been with unbound companies, just been getting seasoning,

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[SPEAKER_01]: He will really, really go to the match, and to Gucci.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You find, you know what I mean?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, to Gucci did what he had to do to make the guy look good and then when he had to do like turn it on, he did and I am not going to get fooled by this to Gucci again where I think, oh, you're looking really good and then he's not going to go with like the buck stuff and all like the weird stuff halfway through like this tournament.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So this was about, you know, getting in, getting out, getting a win, making the guy look good, uh, don't offer too much.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Let's enjoy to Gucci having something resembling a wrestling match when we get it because we're not always going to get that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: After that, we had an interesting one here.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Again, this one only went to 1.5 minutes, but it was heo.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And yo, again, you just have to rearrange the letters in the name, but this was a showcase for heo's athleticism in this charisma.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I got a kick out of this guy.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I thought it was fun.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's certainly athletic.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He has somehow he makes yo look out of shape.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And that's not easy to do.

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[SPEAKER_00]: This guy's

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[SPEAKER_00]: uh, build one that comes hurt so if a walk on this year, yeah, yeah, not even in New Japan.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He won the concorsa, but it ended up being a Samsung driver, which is basically a stunner into a roll-up.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It was, it was fun.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It was, again, a fast pace because they knew they weren't going long.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Both of these guys are crazy athletic, and even though this only went two and a half minutes, they showed some really cool stuff in there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And afterwards, uh, you

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[SPEAKER_00]: Grab you and smooch him on the lips and yo passed out fainted fainted.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He swooned.

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[SPEAKER_00]: What about it?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Keep.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The crowd got a real kick out of this though, didn't they?

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[SPEAKER_01]: It was really gay, I didn't expect to get to be that gay, but it was fine.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So, they're in front of the top rope nation said we should discuss how yellow has had achieved maximum he-bitch status and we all had to endure three minutes of yellow.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That one way to look at it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I disagree with that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I disagree with that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He's a big charismatic wrestler for Jackie Gave, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: And he won the bodybuilding competition.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And the vibe for me is that he says, Roma talk a hosh, you really like beauty products.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know what I mean?

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[SPEAKER_01]: He's coming out there.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He's got this at the water system of the younger Roma.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, yo come out in this playboy branded robe gear.

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[SPEAKER_01]: After cost playing at the press conference,

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[SPEAKER_01]: Kerwin White, if you remember, it's the Why-to-Fied version of Shavu Guerrero in the middle of like the 2000s.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Literally, literally a racist character, but he wasn't White, it was weird and it was terrible.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And if you look at what you wore, it is exactly what current white wore as it's here.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Completely, completely bonkers.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But that wasn't even close to this playboy.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Not like playboy with a bunny on it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But this was like branded over and over, playboy, playboy, playboy, playboy, playboy, playboy, with like brown tins.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then this match went three minutes.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They both looked great in the match like it was an athletic sprint that was like I said meant to highlight the new guy and he's there with his little leopard cat he's wearing like a white freely like gloves like Madonna wood with like the the net color and then who's like his trunk to all white like everything about it was especially them.

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[SPEAKER_01]: but it kind of worked for him and the crowd loved it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They were here for all of it and at that point you're like, yeah, I got a problem with that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's a question for me.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And so the end I wasn't really expecting him to go as hard with a flat like kick on the lips.

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[SPEAKER_01]: She had like went for it and then you could just see like yo, just his face, his lips did not move nothing on his face, he's got your point in one right on him and then he sold it and it's like passing out on the ground and they carried him out and so like I don't know how they're going to be able to pull this off every night but that will come

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's the closest thing Japanese wrestling has to the Xatico character in Lucia Libre, which CML only does it once in a while.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And Dolce Gardini is the most recent one.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And he's kind of toned down the Xatico part a little bit, but that's a long standing trope.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And it's

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's not making fun of, it's a flamboyant character that plays into gay stereotypes, but it's a parody of it in a way that the heat is more on the homophobic in the story than anything else.

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[SPEAKER_00]: A lot of people who I don't think quite understand the exotic role of said that it's making fun of gay people.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I disagree with that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think it's making fun of homophobic people.

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[SPEAKER_00]: When it's done correctly.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I get it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And this isn't quite that, but it's the closest I've seen

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[SPEAKER_01]: I guess I give the way that I would put it, Stephen, is that I have no issue that they did it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I have no issue.

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[SPEAKER_01]: At all, I'm just surprised that they were bold enough to do it on the first night of the tournament where a lot of eyes were on the thing, rather than somewhere in the middle of the show, middle of all of the tournament where they kind of clip it in, it's just kind of a thing that they do and all that it was really like front center, which to me was the most interesting thing there was no.

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[SPEAKER_01]: There were no hiding it or there was no being ashamed of what they were doing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They just kind of went for it and there's like, if you're not down with that, we've got two words for you.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know what I mean?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, that was the energy behind it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They were going for it and they were out of politics about it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And like I said, he's a really talented guy and he's very athletic.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I am looking forward to seeing some of his other matches to see what he brings to the to the tournament now.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We got back to serious wrestling after this one, because next up was Nick Wayne and Robbie X.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And this one went seven and a half minutes, pretty good.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Nick Wayne won with Wayne's world.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Again, it was a very good night for the guests.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then that's normal for New Japan tournaments.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They tend to put over the guests to show that these people are indeed threats.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You should pay attention to them.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They're not just jobbers.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And certainly no one thought that Nick Wayne was going to be a jobber in this tournament, but the point is, this is a guy that's coming in.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's, uh, he's a threat to anybody in the tournament.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He takes down Robbie X here by only thing with Nick year over a year that I would say is he needs to tone down the cartoonish goofy selling that he does sometimes where two minutes into the match, he's huffing and puffing in his chest.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Heving in his head is rolling around on his shoulders all over the place and his eyes are bugging out in his mouth.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's why it opened kid just.

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[SPEAKER_00]: relax.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You don't need to overdo it like that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: No one, no one think you're a dad would think no one thinks you're tired two minutes into this.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, and and also some of the, some of the selling is just too much.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's just, you know, tone it down a little bit, just wrestle your match, that type of thing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But when he wrestled, it was, it was very good.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so he won it with Wayne's

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[SPEAKER_00]: Robbie X got a little roughed up in it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So he had either what was either a matburn on his face or he got took some abrasions from a kick, but he seems like he's okay, but he might be showing the effects on Saturday and Sunday at this one.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I thought this was too short given how good these guys were and we're going out of your way to see Robbie took that stiff kick some resulting off the road and in the middle of the kick, middle of the the summer salt, Nick kicked him in the face and he would straight down.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He felt his face at first and I thought he was bleeding from it, but it really just looked like

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[SPEAKER_01]: like draped across above its eyebrow all the way down to like the bottom of the top of the beard, just kind of a red kind of rashy thing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You're like, I hope that you're going to be okay for the next thing, because A that kind of says potential concussion, and B, I hope you'll see out of that eye.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I think he's tough enough to make it through the rest of it, but that was the first one was like, oh no, I want you guys to be able to make it through this tournament.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and if you look at the matchups in the A-block, my goodness, they're going to be some great A-block match.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I had Nick Wayne, Robbie X, a T-Ton, Master of Auto, we're going to talk about in a little bit.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Fujda, Akira, I mean, any combination of these guys is going to be pretty good.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So we're in for some good action.

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[SPEAKER_00]: This was an example of it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Then we had an interesting match in a lot of ways.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It was very good.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And

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[SPEAKER_00]: Kushita and Robbie Eagles and Jeremy Oring are going to get to your question just after we talk about this match real quick.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Kushita Jeremy is changing his style a little bit.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's wrestling without boots.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's wrestling barefoot.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And of course, he always wore the shorts that are more MMA style shorts.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You see guys wearing those style of shorts and UFC a lot.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's doing more grappling and matte work.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And it's almost like he's doing an MMA type of gimmick as a wrestler now.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But with strong styles still mixed in.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Uh, that might be tricky with some lesser workers.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The good news is he's in there with Robbie Friggin Eagles.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And this was really excellent.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And Robbie knows how to work with just about anybody.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And there was a terrific rolling pin sequence in the end.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It led to a back to the future.

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[SPEAKER_00]: His, uh, classic finisher.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's got a tuck power slam.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Cushita wins this one.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And, uh, what nine minutes and 11 seconds, but breased right by.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm curious to see again if when he wrestles some of the other guys in this tournament if that MMA ask grappling style works because boy, worked MMA doesn't look very good.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And if you want to work in submissions and math work, okay, there certainly is actually a reunion incorporates a lot of that brilliantly.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There are certainly ways to do it, and I'm curious to see how Koshita does it going forward.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So he did that with

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[SPEAKER_01]: He didn't match like that last year at the best of the Super Junior where he took off his gear on a seat.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think it was against Shimori.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I think he's been doing that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Again, people that he could kind of like the best way I could beat them as in a ground game match.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I don't think that the plan for Kushida to do that style going forward, but I was like trying to write my head around it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Cushita had a match where he walked as that Saber Jr at the Historic Etc over in China, maybe like sick months ago.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I would kind of take that tapestry of what happened there and think that like what I need to do to be a TMDK guy is to be better at the ground game and if I need to be better at the ground game, like to do that I need to take off my gear on my feet.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And so he went in this

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like best super dreamers was this going to mind that I got to beat this guy in the ground game because this is what TMDK is good at and granted Eagles is one of their high flyers, but him putting Eagles on the ground and limiting him to the ground and wrestling him down on the mat was his strength against a high flair whereas.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like trying to do that again, that's a Virginia, it could not feel bad and he could try, but he's not as good.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I thought it was a strategy to get to guy rather than this is his approach moving forward.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's all right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We'll have to see how that plays out.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Jeremy Orr has a, Jeremy Orr has a question.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He says, I know about DDTE never seen it, though.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Our gay characters big in Japan, honestly asking I thought it was just once in a while.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And that was the point where we're making their Jeremy Orr, it's not frequent.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It is uncommon.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And if you're going to see it, it's going to be in DDT, which

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[SPEAKER_00]: is more playful.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I like to describe DDT is walking a thin line between being wrestling and being a parody of pro wrestling.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And you don't see characters like that very often in Japanese wrestling at all.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So it is unusual.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I mentioned the trope of the Exatico in Luchili Bre that's been around for a very long time.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And

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[SPEAKER_00]: the gay characters in American wrestling when I was growing up and a little bit before that were like the exotic Adrian Street and adorable Adrian Adonis and stuff like that were more the heat was on the Gainus which is not

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[SPEAKER_00]: particularly not, not, not at all, good, you know, that, but that they were heels because they were gay.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And that was the, it played on the homophobic, be of the audience.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And the exatico, all the heat is on the homophobic.

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[SPEAKER_00]: like the idea that the, you know, the Rudo, the heel is appalled by this, you know, that he's made to look foolish, the heel is.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And the exatico usually doesn't always win the match, but usually gets over on him in some fashion.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Unfortunately, in the United States, most of the gay characters were the heels, and it was more about making fun of gay people than it was anything else.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Japanese, it's very rare.

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[SPEAKER_00]: People have not done a whole lot of it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And, uh, you know, a little bit

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[SPEAKER_00]: And yeah, nice to post, so yeah, and again, it's mostly like the order of D.D.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Usually, it's only a hundred of D.D.D.D.D.D.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Again, DDT, right there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's the one that's more of the free spirit about this stuff.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And this is, he's in Dragon's Gate.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So some of the smaller promotions have done stuff like that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And in Japan, thankfully, though, especially currently, the heat is on the other guy.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's not that he's gay, you know, that, you know, boomer or, you know, chant horrible things that him, it's not that the audience is usually on that person's side.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And it's

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[SPEAKER_00]: Again, we talk about how you can use wrestling sometimes to mirror society and you know, the good part about this is the the messages that that he's the the other guy has the problem.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, who I think did a lot to directly that kind of stereotype down in the last few years.

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[SPEAKER_01]: What I was looking at the DDT rock dress also Chris Brooks, you know, he was he kind of he kind of like incorporated a little bit of like, um, bromantic king, I guess you would say.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, you know, Infusion did that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know if you remember at one point they they didn't have a pen, but for summary, oh yeah, because yo was doing the

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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, oh, hi, we're back and up here, but it was that it was in Tokyo at Wrestle Kingdom and yo wasn't on the card, but he dressed up as one of the beer vendor girls that were, and it's always, it's always girls of the Japanese baseball game.

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[SPEAKER_00]: These, these women are incredible.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They have the little pony Kang on their back and they sell beer and, and mixed drinks out of this Kang on their back with a nozzle and things and, and he, and they,

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[SPEAKER_00]: where kind of rockford peaches League of their own type of women's baseball uniforms.

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[SPEAKER_00]: To do this and yo dressed up as one of them and was going through the crowd kind of making making himself known that, hey, if I'm not on the card, I'm going to be on rest looking at him somehow type of thing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Then he confronted Jose Fujita about the junior tag team titles I believe it was and they didn't have a pen, but he had lipstick because he was dressed up as a

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[SPEAKER_00]: girl.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so he put the lipstick on, just fugit on the face and then kiss the contract.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And that was how they signed the deal at the post match comment.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So the yo has been thinking outside the box on some of this stuff for a while.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Not sure what box that is, but we're going to leave that for another time.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And, oh, Brad mentions that Deano is in DDT as a gay character, also like the other one I've tried to think of.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Why I said that DDT will

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[SPEAKER_00]: In DDT, we'll do things that the others don't, because again, they kind of walk a line between traditional pro wrestling and entertainment and a variety show almost.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Supercessed Agile Machine, not wrestling, but doing a PowerPoint presentation as a comedy routine, basically.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There's all kinds of things that you're basically seeing a variety show when you go to DDT as much as you are pro wrestling.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So they're willing to,

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[SPEAKER_00]: do things that the more traditional promotions think as well.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's not really wrestling.

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[SPEAKER_00]: DDT is like, well, I don't care if it is or not, it's on the show.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's fun.

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[SPEAKER_00]: If we think the audience will like it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And not different from the old for entertainment.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And not coincidentally at all, DDT has some of the highest percentage of female fans of any promotion, including the Joachie Promotions.

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[SPEAKER_00]: A lot of women enjoy going to DDT because it is

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[SPEAKER_00]: more of a lighthearted sense, you know, it's just has kind of not the hard core masculineity.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and I think that, you know, there's just kind of a sense of fun about it that I would do a DDT show.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It was fine, you know, and me like, I, there, there were aspects of it that were gay, there were aspects of it that kind of remind you of like a proletch show, there are aspects of it that remind you of a wrestling show.

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[SPEAKER_01]: There were aspects of it that reminded you of a carnival, you know, at the end of the day,

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[SPEAKER_01]: Everyone who went in knew what they were signing up for and they left knowing they had a good time and that's what a DDT show is It's just crazy mad fun a little a little skewing off the normal path and But to answer the question though, is this normal?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well in the major promotions.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I would say all Japan news Japan Noah no, it's it they

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[SPEAKER_00]: They have not done much of it, but not frowned upon like that youth to be.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Exactly.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, of course, it's more like, it's okay.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's just not something we're going to do.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's, it's a guess shot.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, they'll have men and then they'll be.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: All right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So anyway, the point is we got, we got sidetracked out because she didn't rob Eagles.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Really good match stood out different than the others because of the way they worked it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But both of those guys are very, very capable of working this.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And it was a fun nine minute match that could sheet of one.

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[SPEAKER_00]: after that we had Teton and Master Watto and it was brought up this was the finals two years ago when Master Watto won the tournament he defeated Teton in the finals so I don't like to give away the finish of the match so hard.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Teton got his win back of course yeah but this was a good match also it

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[SPEAKER_00]: It wasn't the finals.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It was in the middle of this card.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So it only got about eight minutes.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And uh, well, a little bit under nine.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It was 843.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So of course, they couldn't stretch out and have what two years ago, that finals was excellent.

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[SPEAKER_00]: tremendous match.

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[SPEAKER_01]: This was good.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's not what I've ever had.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, that one definitely was, I think.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And this was pretty good too.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Sharp shooter into a bridge for the pen.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That looks pretty cool.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And Teton beating water might matter in a tiebreaker situation down the road in this term.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I think that's going to be a big deal.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And so if you want to, if you want to see the best match these two will ever have, watch that best super Junior final, this couldn't possibly hold a candle to it because it didn't go nearly as long.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It didn't have nearly as much of an opportunity.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Although I felt like they kind of built upon things they did in that match and called back to it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Ever so slightly in this one and kind of pivoted the finish in the other way.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Teton, fantastic, master water.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't have bad data to say, but I'm not blown away by him.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm glad that they're giving him a little bit of gas and something to chew on with this semi-fuel with Fujita.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And really trying to remind people that he'd been a player in the junior heavyweight division in the past, because a lot of people are quick to dismiss him.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And you know,

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[SPEAKER_01]: Good match to remind him of previous glory in this tournament.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I do think better days are ahead of them.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think you're also correct.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He is going to be a player to the last day in this.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Moving this match is probably going to be a devastating what is scenario for him.

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[SPEAKER_00]: After that, we had another B block match.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So these got about around, they didn't alternate.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They, you would get sometimes two B's and a row and a couple of A's and a row.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But this one was the semi-final, those dice case of sake.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He is a DDT guy.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mentioned that that he was more drag and scape, but the Sasaki's DDT and he faced L-desperado.

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[SPEAKER_00]: This one went 16 minutes to give it a little more time to stretch out the semi-final and the finals match of the night got more time.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It was a summer-ishy stuff.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There were some risky stuff in this match.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Desay, splatter backwards into the chair's course, no barricade, stirring, best of super junior stuff to facilitate the dives.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And

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[SPEAKER_00]: Sasaki hit a tope, so Asida, and Desparado went flying into the shares.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I hit the back of his head on one there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then there was a spot later, which was an elbow, by Sasaki off the top turn buckle all the way down to the floor with Desparado sitting in a chair.

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[SPEAKER_00]: One of the chairs that sit around the cork and haul ringside.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And that looked really dangerous to me.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And not a great way to take a big elbow from the top.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Again, it was a showcase to get Sasaki over because he did win.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He hit a low blow, New Japan loves a low blow.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Don't they?

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, my goodness, everybody doing low blows these days.

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[SPEAKER_00]: House torture does 100 of them.

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[SPEAKER_00]: United empires doing them now.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Wados been doing them for years.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They, they love a low blow.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then he put on, let me seek out, which had been done earlier in the night.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Watch the monitors, kids, come on.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'll pay attention.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's a saki good.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's okay.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Desperado made him better than he is.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And they did a bunch of risky stuff trying to make him look as good as possible.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's also 40 years old, so bless him for even trying.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But, you know, I think saki, you're probably finished middle of the pack and that's about right.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It felt more like a mean guy match where it's like, you're going to show him like, I'm just like the meaner guy in this match, rather than like, I'm the better June here.

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[SPEAKER_01]: was a previous entrant in the best of the Super Junior's, 14 and 15 years ago, he got a grand total of three wins between those two years.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Steven, do you think you will break that record in this single year and get more than three wins?

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[SPEAKER_01]: And go, I'm gonna give you the over under of three.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Here you go, over three wins this year.

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[SPEAKER_00]: No, I think he's going to equal his win total from previous years.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to go with four, just kind of like, just kind of prove like, hey, you've improved.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Part of that extra 14 years of experience.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't want to doubt at you.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You've done better than you've done in the past.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You've grown at the wrestler.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You want more matches this time.

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[UNKNOWN]: It's too hard.

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[SPEAKER_00]: All right, after that, we have the main event.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Kosae Fujita and Francesco Akira, 17 minutes really, 1656, this is fantastic.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I had no doubt it was going to be, but man, this is a must see.

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[SPEAKER_00]: If you're going to watch one match from this show, make it this one, I recommend seeing this show.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I had a good time with it, but if you don't have time to watch this show, watch this show.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Let's go.

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[SPEAKER_00]: was absolutely fantastic.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Now they did an angle at the press conference where Fujita had gotten into it with Master Watto and Akira jumped in and kind of waffles Fujita over the head with the chair.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So Francisco Akira comes out.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's got the mask on his robe all this and he's around ringside.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Fujita appears out of absolutely nowhere and just throws a chair that Akira has had.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Cracks him killed him.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I like this, but one heat, the way he threw it was good, hit him with the cushion of the chair and all this kind of stuff.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But more than that, I like when a baby face just stops taking crap off a heel and and just shows a little bit of backbone.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Now, this is something that I don't feel like a hauntie guy would do because they booked the hauntie guys to look so weak all the time.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But he's not going to take his crap.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I like that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's the kind of thing they put it in.

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[SPEAKER_01]: How about that?

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[SPEAKER_00]: They got into it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The crowd loved that, too.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then there was a terrific spot later on in the match where Akira tried to give Fujita a to Harris by running off of the apron and giving him a to Harris on the floor instead.

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[SPEAKER_00]: uh... footage of caught him did not take that to Harris then he had him and kind of a power bomb position moved to moved uh... over to a table that had been set up earlier was check off's table instead of check off's gun because it was set up like ten minutes earlier and then they did nothing with it and then power bomb to carry through that table which looked great the table splinter better than you could if you would gimmick did and uh... it that was uh... terrific moment in the mash

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[SPEAKER_00]: tremendous stuff down the stretch and this one, the guys were going back and forth.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And Jeremy, I appreciate it by the way that after Akira took that shot through the table, took the big table, Bob, low and behold, Francesco Akira sold for a little while before he made us come back.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It wasn't just video game wrestling where the goal is to grab the advantage as soon as he went the possible.

01:02:48.632 --> 01:02:50.334
[SPEAKER_00]: He actually sold for a little while.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Wild.

01:02:51.475 --> 01:02:58.806
[SPEAKER_00]: And it's a great match go figure is it's it's almost like some of that stuff actually works traditional instead of playing wrestling like you're in a video game.

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[SPEAKER_00]: This is great.

01:03:01.150 --> 01:03:05.356
[SPEAKER_00]: He did make us come back though almost one of the thing, but food should have hit the thrill ride.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Go out and see this one fantastic another match that might have important tiebreaker consequences at the end because I think Akira is going to be in the mix as well from most of this tournament.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But you really feel like the ace of the company right now, just like not even of the junior division, just of the company like this money, just across the board, he's he's in the semi and main of almost all the shows of the best of the super singers.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They love him so much.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They didn't even do the traditional booking of having like, you're one of your top baby faces lose their first match and have to like.

01:03:42.185 --> 01:03:45.795
[SPEAKER_01]: Climb out of a hole in the beginning they're like, no, this guy is winning.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We're gonna have him win and we're just gonna make sure that you know coming out of the main event of like, no, this guy is our guy, this guy is our guy and

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[SPEAKER_01]: It was all so interesting to me United Empire lost first match in the last match of the show.

01:03:59.070 --> 01:04:09.646
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, like conventional booking would have had you taking the United Empire or can continue their momentum since they've won feels like everything that they touch over the last couple of months.

01:04:09.726 --> 01:04:15.996
[SPEAKER_01]: So that was an interesting like swerve from the way that they've been doing the booking.

01:04:16.476 --> 01:04:19.701
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh no, I just thought

01:04:20.457 --> 01:04:24.743
[SPEAKER_01]: I was very happy with the entire card and then we got to the main event.

01:04:25.084 --> 01:04:28.348
[SPEAKER_01]: They had one that really, really delivered with two of their top.

01:04:28.989 --> 01:04:38.824
[SPEAKER_01]: This might be their number one and number two guy from the division right now because it's really hard to call Doki their number one other than entitled alone because he's not having matches like this right now.

01:04:40.065 --> 01:04:40.166
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

01:04:40.186 --> 01:04:45.093
[SPEAKER_00]: And by the way, June, Cassie and Valiente Jr are the two that did not have matches today.

01:04:45.613 --> 01:04:47.276
[SPEAKER_00]: We mentioned those scheduled conflict earlier.

01:04:47.296 --> 01:04:50.160
[SPEAKER_00]: So they will begin their tournaments on Saturday.

01:04:50.528 --> 01:04:57.619
[SPEAKER_00]: Good day and almost 1500 people in the building, which looked great, sounded great.

01:04:57.970 --> 01:05:01.014
[SPEAKER_00]: So a strong crowd showed up and got a good show.

01:05:01.054 --> 01:05:04.058
[SPEAKER_00]: This is a step back toward the right direction.

01:05:04.078 --> 01:05:05.380
[SPEAKER_00]: This is going to last for a long time.

01:05:05.420 --> 01:05:10.166
[SPEAKER_00]: Who the hell knows, but I think for one night anyway, I felt better about this.

01:05:10.687 --> 01:05:15.533
[SPEAKER_01]: The one moment that burned in my brain was during the to Gucci and the guy match.

01:05:16.134 --> 01:05:18.437
[SPEAKER_01]: I think they went up into the crowd.

01:05:18.737 --> 01:05:22.442
[SPEAKER_01]: And one of the pillars has that sign that says, West on it.

01:05:22.422 --> 01:05:29.534
[SPEAKER_01]: And I think, uh, to Gucci or the guy battered the other guys head into the wall.

01:05:29.874 --> 01:05:31.857
[SPEAKER_01]: But Neptune was the business man.

01:05:32.078 --> 01:05:34.442
[SPEAKER_01]: And he just had the biggest smile on his face.

01:05:34.842 --> 01:05:40.211
[SPEAKER_01]: And he's just clapping as the guys wailing the other guys head into the wall.

01:05:40.231 --> 01:05:45.139
[SPEAKER_01]: And it's just like that the energy and the enthusiasm I want to see from these crowds is our

01:05:45.119 --> 01:05:46.301
[SPEAKER_00]: I think about it in this match.

01:05:46.322 --> 01:05:47.885
[SPEAKER_00]: I think it might have been food you didn't care about.

01:05:47.905 --> 01:05:50.811
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, this one, it might have been like, it could have been.

01:05:50.871 --> 01:05:57.365
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm trying to remember what it was, but that energy, like that vibe, it was like, that's what I want.

01:05:58.186 --> 01:05:59.088
[SPEAKER_01]: That's hot.

01:05:59.289 --> 01:05:59.770
[SPEAKER_01]: You know what I mean?

01:05:59.810 --> 01:06:03.297
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, there's they want to see a guy get a bucket.

01:06:03.277 --> 01:06:12.149
[SPEAKER_00]: You know my you know my favorite little weird cork and hall-fact about those direction signs are the West the East And it won't make us compared to what actual direction they're in.

01:06:12.590 --> 01:06:33.098
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, they're not accurate No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no

01:06:33.078 --> 01:07:01.279
[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm telling you folks, if you are within touching distance to that, go ahead and go ahead and put your hand on a tap at a little bit, some of the best wrestlers in the world's heads about stuff of those signs over the 40 years, 50 years that Cora can all spend a part of wrestling just about everybody at some point has had their head rammed into those those signs right there and Brad is saying, by the way, I'm I'm down a hair under 70 pounds, Brad seven, man, like that's amazing.

01:07:01.259 --> 01:07:02.901
[SPEAKER_00]: Rockstar, fantastic.

01:07:03.342 --> 01:07:06.025
[SPEAKER_00]: And he also mentioned, he has a comment about the show, too.

01:07:06.886 --> 01:07:08.849
[SPEAKER_00]: That's wonderful Brad, I'm just happy for it.

01:07:08.869 --> 01:07:12.453
[SPEAKER_00]: And he says when TMB came out, it's Fujita in front, rocking his fur coat.

01:07:12.473 --> 01:07:13.534
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, Jack was back.

01:07:13.815 --> 01:07:15.297
[SPEAKER_00]: Everything's actually a junior in a while.

01:07:15.357 --> 01:07:19.422
[SPEAKER_00]: He came out with the TMB gay guys, and Jackson Hartley was there, too.

01:07:19.842 --> 01:07:23.487
[SPEAKER_00]: And Brad says, due to his money, he feels bigger than anyone else.

01:07:23.652 --> 01:07:32.218
[SPEAKER_00]: I think that's true, Jeremy, I, when you said he feels like the ace of the company, I started rolling through the, the, the, the role of X of my head.

01:07:33.221 --> 01:07:37.695
[SPEAKER_00]: And, you know, you know, the sushi when he had the two titles was certainly the top guy.

01:07:39.093 --> 01:07:41.577
[SPEAKER_00]: who's more consistent than he is right now, Fuji.

01:07:41.757 --> 01:07:43.440
[SPEAKER_00]: And who's more consistent with Fuji right now?

01:07:43.520 --> 01:08:01.087
[SPEAKER_00]: Just it's not just being in the top spot, which he is when he's wrestling as you mentioned in this tournament when he's in a tag team title match with Robbie, but who's in that spot and delivering every single time like he is?

01:08:01.107 --> 01:08:04.172
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know, you don't have to convince me I'm gonna roll the brought it up.

01:08:04.962 --> 01:08:25.452
[SPEAKER_00]: No, I mean, like in all Japan, for instance, I'm watching a lot of all Japan because they're having the champion carnival tournament, but almost every show, the cancel me a haramatch is even the best one of the second best one almost every single day, but I'll get brothers are a top act, but they're not the ace of the company, you know what I mean, like they're the only other.

01:08:25.735 --> 01:08:38.890
[SPEAKER_01]: at, besides Fujga, and I use that if an act because even on their own, like, I think you don't like, it could be that guy, but you're not positioned to be seen as that kind of guy.

01:08:38.910 --> 01:08:47.200
[SPEAKER_01]: Fujga, even from like the moment you got Tana Hashi's last magic cork and, you know, like, you just, you just saw it.

01:08:47.380 --> 01:08:49.703
[SPEAKER_01]: You just saw this company look at him differently.

01:08:50.003 --> 01:08:55.590
[SPEAKER_01]: They don't look at him like a

01:08:55.773 --> 01:09:05.109
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, like they, he's, he's, he's a tier above everybody else in his contemporaries.

01:09:06.311 --> 01:09:20.515
[SPEAKER_00]: It reminds me a little bit of Jewish and Liger and that's, he's got a long way to go to get to Jewish and Liger, but in that there are people who are main events and who are stars on top,

01:09:20.832 --> 01:09:23.477
[SPEAKER_00]: But LIGAR was the best guy on the show.

01:09:24.118 --> 01:09:33.774
[SPEAKER_00]: LIGAR was the best wrestler in a lot of those years in the 90s and things, like the other people may have ended, and they were stars.

01:09:33.814 --> 01:09:35.818
[SPEAKER_00]: They weren't, it wasn't a smoke screen.

01:09:36.358 --> 01:09:37.881
[SPEAKER_00]: But LIGAR was the best guy on the show.

01:09:38.141 --> 01:09:40.065
[SPEAKER_00]: And I think Fuji could be that.

01:09:40.485 --> 01:09:44.933
[SPEAKER_00]: I think Fuji could be that, where maybe the heavyweight title matches on top,

01:09:45.048 --> 01:10:09.250
[SPEAKER_00]: But the fugitive matches the one everyone's kind of looking for to the most in a sli way and that happened when when Liger was in there with Eddie Guerrero as Black Tiger or he was in there with great Sasuke and things that that show that match was in the middle of the show because the heavyweight title was always toward the top and they often put Liger on before intermission because no one could follow him which was clever you know give everybody break Fujin might end up that guy

01:10:10.765 --> 01:10:18.497
[SPEAKER_01]: Here's the thing about food and we're kind of veering off of the best of the super changer when we start talking about this is

01:10:18.713 --> 01:10:21.918
[SPEAKER_01]: at his age and the size that he is at.

01:10:22.759 --> 01:10:29.068
[SPEAKER_01]: There were very real chance that he can gain muscle mass over the course of the next.

01:10:29.568 --> 01:10:32.352
[SPEAKER_01]: And one, they actually start positioning him.

01:10:32.392 --> 01:10:41.245
[SPEAKER_01]: So like in 25 years after he's had like this unbelievable run in the subgroup, they start thinking that he used

01:10:42.102 --> 01:10:50.322
[SPEAKER_01]: at that next tier because I don't know about the confidence they have of some of the guys that they have in that position now on at the agent they're in.

01:10:50.843 --> 01:10:56.517
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not sure, but there is something in the back of my head that says that they might be thinking.

01:10:58.606 --> 01:10:59.207
[SPEAKER_00]: I will see.

01:10:59.789 --> 01:11:04.240
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, Jeremy or I said we got to think of our best wrestling movie ever by the end of the show.

01:11:04.260 --> 01:11:06.705
[SPEAKER_00]: So we have 20 minutes to think of our best wrestling movie ever.

01:11:07.086 --> 01:11:16.108
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, all right, we'll see what we can do with everyone get like one or two movie to throw out there and I will take it and I will bring it for.

01:11:16.088 --> 01:11:18.312
[SPEAKER_01]: tomorrow show popcorn pile drivers.

01:11:18.332 --> 01:11:21.879
[SPEAKER_01]: 7pm Eastern here on the fight game media, YouTube channel.

01:11:22.339 --> 01:11:40.172
[SPEAKER_01]: Also, I have an interview with Tom Talks rubbish that I recorded a couple of months back that I guess that he will be dropping on his Twitter feed in YouTube and I will link to it on

01:11:40.152 --> 01:11:52.197
[SPEAKER_01]: So, if you want to see me talk about stuff, adjacent to wrestling, I really should have paid notes or how they started with Steven called away here, all that stuff.

01:11:52.558 --> 01:11:53.660
[SPEAKER_01]: I think we dive in all that.

01:11:54.401 --> 01:12:01.536
[SPEAKER_01]: Can't say for sure, but a while, but we talked about stuff beyond just each fan for wrestling.

01:12:02.731 --> 01:12:05.515
[SPEAKER_00]: actually didn't episode of that show too that we'll drop some day.

01:12:05.575 --> 01:12:06.176
[SPEAKER_00]: So there we go.

01:12:06.676 --> 01:12:07.037
[SPEAKER_00]: All right.

01:12:07.257 --> 01:12:09.020
[SPEAKER_00]: Let's take a look at the week ahead.

01:12:09.160 --> 01:12:10.402
[SPEAKER_00]: So coming up.

01:12:10.422 --> 01:12:11.583
[SPEAKER_00]: We have a couple of shows.

01:12:12.765 --> 01:12:17.371
[SPEAKER_00]: It's going to be a fairly busy week, but let's take a look what we got where they are staying in Tokyo all week.

01:12:17.792 --> 01:12:19.514
[SPEAKER_00]: Just going to different neighborhoods in it.

01:12:19.554 --> 01:12:22.378
[SPEAKER_00]: So Hachi Oji is Saturday the 16th.

01:12:23.259 --> 01:12:26.544
[SPEAKER_00]: And that is going to be headline by Desperado versus Taiji issue.

01:12:26.564 --> 01:12:26.884
[SPEAKER_00]: Mori.

01:12:27.104 --> 01:12:28.266
[SPEAKER_00]: I should be terrific.

01:12:28.246 --> 01:12:35.532
[SPEAKER_00]: Jose Fujida will have Nick Wayne that night should be an exciting match and June Kessai having his first tournament match.

01:12:35.873 --> 01:12:42.078
[SPEAKER_00]: It's still I won't believe it until I see if the June is in this tournament and he's facing T-time in his opener.

01:12:42.538 --> 01:12:43.059
[SPEAKER_01]: I'll be a good one.

01:12:44.060 --> 01:12:54.188
[SPEAKER_00]: Sunday they will be in Yo-Yo-Yo-Yo so that's over by Shibuya and that'll be Elvis Morado versus Robbie Eagles on top and Fujida versus Jun Kessai.

01:12:54.409 --> 01:12:57.291
[SPEAKER_00]: Jun Kessai, Jose Fujida, good luck

01:12:57.440 --> 01:13:09.758
[SPEAKER_01]: Uh, that'll be something a little bit of heat because you remember food you'd have had to like step aside for Kassai and Desperado to have their match last year before you could have this junior heavyweight title shot.

01:13:10.299 --> 01:13:15.246
[SPEAKER_01]: So I can see a little bit of that coming back around in that match.

01:13:15.597 --> 01:13:38.680
[SPEAKER_00]: I gave up the chance to be the youngest junior champion, and then came around to Wednesday back in Corkon Hall, so that'll be May 20th back in Corkon for Fujido vs. Robbie X, and the Rupongi 2K Derby, so it'll be Yo vs. Show again, and that one then got only knows what those two will cook up.

01:13:41.142 --> 01:13:42.043
[SPEAKER_00]: Might be okay.

01:13:43.238 --> 01:13:43.699
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.

01:13:44.159 --> 01:13:44.520
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.

01:13:44.560 --> 01:13:45.481
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, we'll have to see.

01:13:45.501 --> 01:13:51.791
[SPEAKER_00]: Now, of course, they had prominent matches before and you got hurt and I'm sure they're going to bring all that stuff up because he was injured.

01:13:51.851 --> 01:13:56.438
[SPEAKER_00]: But, uh, and like for an enterprise, that's a pretty staff weekend, guys.

01:13:56.538 --> 01:14:02.307
[SPEAKER_00]: If you can't find something you like out of this one, I don't know what to say that there are some good matches on tap coming up.

01:14:02.327 --> 01:14:03.269
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, we'll get forward to it.

01:14:03.870 --> 01:14:10.680
[SPEAKER_01]: We have, yeah, we

01:14:11.808 --> 01:14:14.874
[SPEAKER_00]: Just Saturday, Sunday and Wednesday.

01:14:15.075 --> 01:14:16.217
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, three right.

01:14:17.440 --> 01:14:17.860
[SPEAKER_00]: Right.

01:14:17.921 --> 01:14:19.504
[SPEAKER_01]: I like that more than four.

01:14:20.927 --> 01:14:22.089
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to talk to everyone.

01:14:22.169 --> 01:14:26.458
[SPEAKER_00]: I like talking to a new Japan, but I don't know what I'm going to see.

01:14:26.911 --> 01:14:29.475
[SPEAKER_00]: sort of the schedule there Saturday, Sunday, and Wednesday.

01:14:29.515 --> 01:14:34.183
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, Saturday, Sunday, Wednesday, and then Friday by then we'll have the show next Thursday.

01:14:34.483 --> 01:14:40.132
[SPEAKER_00]: And we'll be talking about as they swing south because they're going down to Osaka, Hiogo, and Kyoto.

01:14:41.414 --> 01:14:44.439
[SPEAKER_00]: So they'll be headed down for a little south loop.

01:14:45.461 --> 01:14:46.442
[SPEAKER_00]: When we do our next show.

01:14:47.243 --> 01:14:51.450
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, I did realize, Steven, did we talk about the Dominion card?

01:14:53.185 --> 01:14:53.926
[SPEAKER_00]: Not so much.

01:14:53.946 --> 01:14:58.292
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, we'll look at that toward the end here in a little bit, but uh, but what I want to ask for has come out.

01:14:59.093 --> 01:15:01.896
[SPEAKER_00]: And okay.

01:15:03.919 --> 01:15:05.280
[SPEAKER_00]: So let's take a look at that real quick here.

01:15:05.881 --> 01:15:08.004
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, yeah, oh, Sacramento Hall.

01:15:08.104 --> 01:15:14.412
[SPEAKER_00]: It is Tahichi and you, you are more of versus OE1 Sabre that was set up after Don Taku there.

01:15:15.193 --> 01:15:17.556
[SPEAKER_01]: And he didn't let us up all that one for me.

01:15:17.941 --> 01:15:21.946
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, you, you were more, by the way, was seeing a grand sumo.

01:15:21.966 --> 01:15:30.636
[SPEAKER_00]: He was there with a, so this is the, the third different New Japan wrestler I've seen at Grand sumo, because Taiji's there a lot.

01:15:31.357 --> 01:15:32.939
[SPEAKER_00]: Taiji, Shimori has been there before.

01:15:32.959 --> 01:15:36.683
[SPEAKER_00]: Now, you, you, you, you, you were more was, was watching the sumo.

01:15:37.224 --> 01:15:38.946
[SPEAKER_00]: And they all had one thing in common, Jeremy.

01:15:38.966 --> 01:15:40.708
[SPEAKER_00]: They never clap for anybody.

01:15:41.262 --> 01:15:43.245
[SPEAKER_00]: They sit there very, very passively.

01:15:43.265 --> 01:15:44.407
[SPEAKER_00]: They're not putting anything over.

01:15:45.228 --> 01:15:47.191
[SPEAKER_00]: Just kind of watching them with intent.

01:15:47.551 --> 01:15:48.613
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, they're with tandem.

01:15:49.274 --> 01:15:51.798
[SPEAKER_00]: Now, they don't, they don't really react anybody in particular.

01:15:52.859 --> 01:15:55.263
[SPEAKER_00]: And for an endosize, that's a good question for later that we're going to get to you.

01:15:55.283 --> 01:16:00.631
[SPEAKER_00]: So we have, and we have plenty of time to preview this show from Osaka going down.

01:16:01.532 --> 01:16:03.355
[SPEAKER_00]: Canowskate to Keshda against Sanada.

01:16:03.395 --> 01:16:05.057
[SPEAKER_00]: God help us for that.

01:16:05.077 --> 01:16:06.139
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, he didn't act down.

01:16:07.418 --> 01:16:11.462
[SPEAKER_00]: IWGP Global Title 3 way match on Dr. A. L. E. E. L. O.

01:16:11.902 --> 01:16:14.044
[SPEAKER_00]: Was showed at Umano and Dr. La Maloney.

01:16:14.925 --> 01:16:22.132
[SPEAKER_00]: Weird, never openweight championship match, which we've been predicting forever, Aaron Wolf, Renderita.

01:16:23.934 --> 01:16:24.915
[SPEAKER_00]: We knew that this was coming.

01:16:24.955 --> 01:16:26.496
[SPEAKER_01]: Let's go 20, 20, 30.

01:16:26.637 --> 01:16:29.219
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, we knew this one was coming months ago.

01:16:29.679 --> 01:16:35.485
[SPEAKER_00]: IWGP tag title match,

01:16:35.465 --> 01:16:41.553
[SPEAKER_00]: And then on top, Yota Suji versus Kalam Newman for the IWGP Heavyweight title.

01:16:41.653 --> 01:16:46.339
[SPEAKER_00]: That is the Osaka card in Osaka, Joe Hall, a big building Jeremy.

01:16:46.379 --> 01:16:48.261
[SPEAKER_00]: This place holds five figures.

01:16:48.621 --> 01:16:50.324
[SPEAKER_00]: It's a big room.

01:16:50.604 --> 01:16:54.569
[SPEAKER_00]: So hopefully it reminds me of that ad with, you know, it's a big house.

01:16:54.589 --> 01:16:55.550
[SPEAKER_00]: I hope you can keep a clean.

01:16:56.291 --> 01:16:58.214
[SPEAKER_00]: This is a big, this is a big hall.

01:16:58.234 --> 01:17:01.017
[SPEAKER_01]: I hope you can fill it.

01:17:02.498 --> 01:17:20.785
[SPEAKER_01]: I was not enthusiastic about that card, and I hope that my enthusiasm rises as we get closer to it, but that that card reveal really took the wind out of myself a little bit, and we'll get to it closer, but it just.

01:17:20.805 --> 01:17:31.020
[SPEAKER_01]: Sometimes you can't wait on these cards, and yeah, I know that you're going to focus on the top three matches, like you did at rest looking them for the TV broadcast and all these things,

01:17:33.093 --> 01:17:37.779
[SPEAKER_01]: There are people that are trying to watch each one of these shows and it's hard sometimes.

01:17:37.799 --> 01:17:38.961
[SPEAKER_00]: We'll have to see what they do with it.

01:17:39.181 --> 01:17:40.583
[SPEAKER_00]: There's going to be some run up to it.

01:17:40.603 --> 01:17:42.927
[SPEAKER_00]: There'll be a road to Dominion a little bit in there.

01:17:42.947 --> 01:17:44.028
[SPEAKER_00]: There's a little bit of one, I think.

01:17:44.128 --> 01:17:45.150
[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe just a one or two man.

01:17:45.170 --> 01:17:47.733
[SPEAKER_00]: It may be just one or two shows, actually, but.

01:17:47.753 --> 01:17:50.036
[SPEAKER_01]: Like the reason they had to get all this stuff done.

01:17:50.076 --> 01:17:54.242
[SPEAKER_01]: Now, like the road to ignition, the ignition road to Dominion and all that.

01:17:55.223 --> 01:17:55.444
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah.

01:17:55.464 --> 01:17:57.186
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm trying to see what they're doing with that.

01:17:57.286 --> 01:17:58.628
[SPEAKER_00]: No, it just goes right into it.

01:17:58.648 --> 01:17:59.429
[SPEAKER_00]: No, never mind.

01:17:59.469 --> 01:18:01.412
[SPEAKER_00]: It goes from Super Junior's right into it.

01:18:01.612 --> 01:18:04.576
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and well, here we go.

01:18:04.636 --> 01:18:07.320
[SPEAKER_00]: So, for Andazaya says, full house.

01:18:07.340 --> 01:18:08.762
[SPEAKER_00]: He's producing a full house for us.

01:18:08.782 --> 01:18:10.124
[SPEAKER_00]: I, that's awesome.

01:18:10.665 --> 01:18:30.032
[SPEAKER_00]: I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I,

01:18:30.772 --> 01:18:43.708
[SPEAKER_01]: I think at this point, he has had the longest and probably the most accomplished career of any Yoshi that they've had.

01:18:44.289 --> 01:18:51.278
[SPEAKER_01]: But I believe that you have probably been booked at a higher ceiling than her.

01:18:51.832 --> 01:18:52.433
[SPEAKER_01]: overall.

01:18:53.155 --> 01:18:55.000
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to mention this though.

01:18:55.020 --> 01:18:58.107
[SPEAKER_00]: I understand what you're saying and she's certainly very very popular.

01:18:58.548 --> 01:19:00.533
[SPEAKER_00]: And EO is the two things.

01:19:00.713 --> 01:19:06.567
[SPEAKER_00]: Ask us certainly the longest termed Japanese wrestler to be booked

01:19:07.036 --> 01:19:15.468
[SPEAKER_00]: as a threat and it's a consistently toward the top, you know what I mean, it's she's never been made to look too much like a smuggish.

01:19:15.508 --> 01:19:20.876
[SPEAKER_00]: It doesn't win all the time, but she's always been booked in a way that she was a threat to whoever she's wrestling.

01:19:20.896 --> 01:19:24.201
[SPEAKER_00]: She was never made to look like a champ in that time.

01:19:24.181 --> 01:19:25.243
[SPEAKER_00]: Remember this, too.

01:19:25.463 --> 01:19:31.873
[SPEAKER_00]: She and Charlotte had one of the featured matches that are WrestleMania, that was pretty high up on the card.

01:19:31.913 --> 01:19:48.400
[SPEAKER_00]: It wasn't the main event, like when, like Sasha Banks and Bianca Belair, or, you know, some of the women's matches that have the Becky Lynch matches that have main event at a night of mania, but that Charlotte asked

01:19:48.380 --> 01:19:50.302
[SPEAKER_00]: in WWE was to Charlotte right there.

01:19:50.883 --> 01:19:54.247
[SPEAKER_00]: That was a big match and she was booked in a very prominent spot.

01:19:54.367 --> 01:19:56.410
[SPEAKER_00]: I think the answer is yes, Fernando.

01:19:56.450 --> 01:20:09.325
[SPEAKER_00]: I think Oscar's probably the most successful Japanese wrestler so far in WWE history with EO with Ashah if she stays around a few more years to surpass her perhaps.

01:20:09.305 --> 01:20:10.866
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, but that's the real thing right now.

01:20:11.567 --> 01:20:30.425
[SPEAKER_01]: It really doesn't come in on what your metric is, because Oscar has a larger successful catalog, but you have one in the near main event of Romania against two top stars and with a world title on the line.

01:20:30.445 --> 01:20:35.650
[SPEAKER_01]: And so you look at who was at the top, who drew a bigger card?

01:20:36.001 --> 01:20:41.007
[SPEAKER_01]: like in their in their career or who had the more storied career at the company.

01:20:41.467 --> 01:20:46.813
[SPEAKER_01]: And both people have of claim to that, based off of that.

01:20:46.913 --> 01:20:57.545
[SPEAKER_01]: Now you ever remember, Oscar, she went undefeated in NXT and left that promotion of WWE without ever being defeated.

01:20:58.065 --> 01:21:03.291
[SPEAKER_01]: So she was absolutely

01:21:03.271 --> 01:21:09.437
[SPEAKER_01]: but you've also had EO, like I've tried to check if she had won a Royal Rumble or not.

01:21:09.497 --> 01:21:23.611
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think she has, but she has been booked in a position to carry the World Title for a long period of time, defended at WrestleMania, the whole deal.

01:21:23.671 --> 01:21:25.633
[SPEAKER_01]: They're an argument for both.

01:21:26.474 --> 01:21:29.937
[SPEAKER_01]: I think if EO is there for a long time,

01:21:30.710 --> 01:21:33.247
[SPEAKER_01]: She'll end up being in arguably number one.

01:21:33.267 --> 01:21:35.421
[SPEAKER_01]: I think Oscar has a claim for it right now.

01:21:35.823 --> 01:21:38.587
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I think that, you know, it's the only person that can really suppress it.

01:21:38.607 --> 01:21:44.815
[SPEAKER_00]: There's no, no, man, I'm not a Laura had times when he was in prominent spots, but certainly not since 2015.

01:21:44.956 --> 01:21:53.247
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, that's an 11 year run for Oscar where she's been an important part of the company for almost the entire time and wherever she's been.

01:21:53.608 --> 01:21:58.835
[SPEAKER_00]: And then I'm trying to think like, bull in the condo, but not again, the longevity wasn't, but he did stay that long.

01:21:59.856 --> 01:22:01.138
[SPEAKER_00]: I want to jibble.

01:22:01.118 --> 01:22:02.540
[SPEAKER_01]: on NFT.

01:22:03.180 --> 01:22:05.102
[SPEAKER_01]: The last weekend when I was a dinner with Dave.

01:22:05.843 --> 01:22:09.107
[SPEAKER_01]: We were at the end of the end of the team playing on the game.

01:22:09.127 --> 01:22:17.055
[SPEAKER_01]: We saw the Kendall Gray match and we saw the evil thing and just watching him for five minutes he had to go and say to Rano, you know, like he's evil.

01:22:17.356 --> 01:22:19.077
[SPEAKER_01]: He's everything that like he did.

01:22:19.117 --> 01:22:20.219
[SPEAKER_01]: He's basically L.I.

01:22:20.279 --> 01:22:24.243
[SPEAKER_01]: J. version of evil come into like NFT.

01:22:24.784 --> 01:22:25.885
[SPEAKER_01]: And he's getting accumated.

01:22:25.945 --> 01:22:27.987
[SPEAKER_01]: He's doing all of his stuff.

01:22:27.967 --> 01:22:35.842
[SPEAKER_01]: But I already see it here just a mid-level guy like there's no top level guy with this.

01:22:35.883 --> 01:22:38.027
[SPEAKER_01]: He's going to come onto the main roster at some point.

01:22:38.428 --> 01:22:43.798
[SPEAKER_01]: He's probably going to out kick his coverage, but his ceiling is not going to be

01:22:44.673 --> 01:22:45.354
[SPEAKER_01]: LA night.

01:22:45.374 --> 01:22:45.935
[SPEAKER_01]: You know what I mean?

01:22:45.955 --> 01:22:51.081
[SPEAKER_01]: Like he's just he's gonna be on the roster and he's gonna get some win because he's gonna get some losses.

01:22:51.602 --> 01:22:57.750
[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe maybe he'll be a more popular version of the outer black in the back room where he's just willing to do whatever that they want to do.

01:22:57.790 --> 01:23:07.322
[SPEAKER_01]: That kind of thing, but he's just he will be fine there, but I will not say that I think that he is going to do a major.

01:23:08.416 --> 01:23:10.820
[SPEAKER_00]: And I like the name though, Norako is a good name.

01:23:11.581 --> 01:23:13.063
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, I do like the name.

01:23:13.484 --> 01:23:16.148
[SPEAKER_00]: And then Brad mentioned said, it certainly isn't Kyrie.

01:23:16.288 --> 01:23:23.499
[SPEAKER_00]: Man, how she was mishandled as much as she was as mine bottling, they never quite figured her out.

01:23:23.519 --> 01:23:28.166
[SPEAKER_00]: And it is incredible because she's, she's as good a worker as EO and Asuka are.

01:23:28.287 --> 01:23:34.997
[SPEAKER_00]: And they just didn't quite, and we know how they, they bobbled seri to the point of,

01:23:35.078 --> 01:23:38.804
[SPEAKER_00]: that no one can even comprehend it of how badly they did with seri.

01:23:39.726 --> 01:23:43.713
[SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, Kyrie, they never quite got her, which is strange.

01:23:43.773 --> 01:23:44.374
[SPEAKER_00]: They got ill.

01:23:45.035 --> 01:23:47.198
[SPEAKER_00]: They understood what she did brought to the table.

01:23:47.218 --> 01:23:50.023
[SPEAKER_00]: They understood Kana, Oscar, I still call it Kana.

01:23:50.604 --> 01:23:52.868
[SPEAKER_00]: Oscar, was she brought to the to the table.

01:23:52.848 --> 01:23:53.870
[SPEAKER_00]: And they never got carried.

01:23:54.050 --> 01:23:55.091
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't understand it either, Brad.

01:23:55.472 --> 01:23:56.373
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't get it either, Brad.

01:23:56.453 --> 01:24:08.171
[SPEAKER_00]: And for some reason, it didn't click with her the way we all see her, which is seemed obvious enough to me, but they did fumble that one and over and over again right there.

01:24:08.191 --> 01:24:09.253
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, not that she had a bad career.

01:24:09.273 --> 01:24:09.794
[SPEAKER_00]: She made money.

01:24:10.995 --> 01:24:12.518
[SPEAKER_00]: She was in WWE for a long time.

01:24:12.538 --> 01:24:18.787
[SPEAKER_00]: It seemed pretty happy, but it sounds like she's probably had a back-to-shapan, which as a Josie fan, I'm not against this.

01:24:19.028 --> 01:24:19.969
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not against this.

01:24:20.911 --> 01:24:26.061
[SPEAKER_01]: There was a, there was a point when Kyrie and her first run when she was on the main roster.

01:24:26.542 --> 01:24:36.221
[SPEAKER_01]: She got her bell run quite a few times and then she left and she came back and she had she had that run on the indie and I saw her at San Jose against the British Monet.

01:24:36.822 --> 01:24:43.054
[SPEAKER_01]: She was really good, but I got to say when she came back to WWE that second time around, she wasn't.

01:24:44.182 --> 01:24:46.625
[SPEAKER_01]: She was performing for a different audience.

01:24:47.046 --> 01:25:02.126
[SPEAKER_01]: Like she was doing whatever WWE wanted her to do, and she was playing the character that they wanted, and maybe that was what her limitations were because she did not like my world on fire so she was back.

01:25:02.787 --> 01:25:03.608
[SPEAKER_01]: That's second time.

01:25:04.702 --> 01:25:08.087
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm just hoping we get matches with seri and maioe batani and things back in.

01:25:08.167 --> 01:25:09.710
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, that would be a good one when she comes back.

01:25:09.930 --> 01:25:11.092
[SPEAKER_00]: Probably worked for her Aussie again.

01:25:11.893 --> 01:25:15.338
[SPEAKER_00]: But wherever she chooses to go, I hope she's I just hope she's happy.

01:25:15.358 --> 01:25:15.699
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.

01:25:15.719 --> 01:25:18.262
[SPEAKER_00]: Now, there's one other piece of business before we get to Tiger past chairman.

01:25:18.283 --> 01:25:21.047
[SPEAKER_00]: As we have to say, what our favorite wrestling movie is.

01:25:21.167 --> 01:25:25.053
[SPEAKER_00]: So Fernando has nominated ready to rumble as his favorite wrestling movie.

01:25:25.073 --> 01:25:27.216
[SPEAKER_00]: Do you, uh, and, uh,

01:25:28.107 --> 01:25:32.555
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and Brad mentions the run Kyrie hadn't started before coming back to WWE wasn't great.

01:25:32.575 --> 01:25:35.340
[SPEAKER_00]: The matches were really good, but she was a freelancer.

01:25:35.380 --> 01:25:38.325
[SPEAKER_00]: She only came back for big stuff once in a while.

01:25:38.365 --> 01:25:40.710
[SPEAKER_00]: She wasn't really in the mix day to day.

01:25:41.511 --> 01:25:45.458
[SPEAKER_00]: And I think that's probably what she's going to do when she comes back to Japan.

01:25:45.538 --> 01:25:48.664
[SPEAKER_00]: So favorite wrestling movie, Jeremy, what do you think?

01:25:49.876 --> 01:25:55.385
[SPEAKER_01]: So I don't really have a traditional wrestling movie because I don't really like wrestling movies.

01:25:55.505 --> 01:26:02.215
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't even, I never even saw the Darren Aronowski, the wrestler movie because it was just not my thing.

01:26:03.197 --> 01:26:11.950
[SPEAKER_01]: I have specific like taste about what I want to watch in my free time that doesn't remind me of the real world and or things that do that.

01:26:12.030 --> 01:26:18.280
[SPEAKER_01]: So one of the things that I think kind of intersect with this is that.

01:26:18.260 --> 01:26:26.790
[SPEAKER_01]: What got me back in a wrestling after I didn't watch wrestling after being a kid was to be on the mat movie with Barry Blowstein.

01:26:27.550 --> 01:26:37.702
[SPEAKER_01]: Any path the way of a pancreatic can occur this past week after a while about Parkinson's as well and a recipe for his friend to family.

01:26:37.762 --> 01:26:45.010
[SPEAKER_01]: And so I just I got that content from day of about everything from the show and how he got.

01:26:44.990 --> 01:26:57.149
[SPEAKER_01]: Barry Blostine in contact with Roland Alzander, who did APW, who later became Roland was John O'Rocca, who's my friend, his mentor in APW before he passed away.

01:26:57.610 --> 01:27:10.069
[SPEAKER_01]: So this little intersectionality of all the stuff that happened in San Jose around this thing and watching it 25 years ago and then having all this content of these people who are in

01:27:10.623 --> 01:27:18.835
[SPEAKER_01]: I think for that, Reeth, and I just kind of, I've developed the most connection to that movie because I really don't have a favorite wrestling movie.

01:27:19.536 --> 01:27:19.917
[SPEAKER_01]: What about you?

01:27:20.938 --> 01:27:24.223
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, I'm going to say, was Aaron Opski's the wrestler.

01:27:24.243 --> 01:27:25.905
[SPEAKER_00]: I thought it was an outstanding movie.

01:27:26.046 --> 01:27:28.589
[SPEAKER_00]: Brad agrees that that's the best wrestling movie he's ever seen.

01:27:29.050 --> 01:27:30.973
[SPEAKER_00]: I just thought they did a hell of a good job with it.

01:27:30.993 --> 01:27:34.538
[SPEAKER_00]: And I thought it was a captivating story.

01:27:34.518 --> 01:27:46.855
[SPEAKER_01]: I just don't learn all the movies like I know that about myself and I have a film degree and dairy and all this stuff and there's just things that I watch that just make me angry and I just I can't do it with it.

01:27:46.875 --> 01:27:51.963
[SPEAKER_01]: And so that's me and there's nothing wrong with the movie I just by that point in my life.

01:27:52.023 --> 01:27:54.987
[SPEAKER_01]: I was like I'm out on this guy he just makes me angry.

01:27:55.788 --> 01:28:02.297
[SPEAKER_00]: The what I liked about that it was

01:28:03.779 --> 01:28:06.783
[SPEAKER_00]: mid-glow levels of the indie scene were in that time.

01:28:07.444 --> 01:28:08.846
[SPEAKER_00]: It was eerily accurate to that.

01:28:08.946 --> 01:28:21.442
[SPEAKER_00]: As someone who was kind of halfway a part of it in Kentucky and Indiana at that time on a weak ender basis as I was, I saw things like what we're in that movie.

01:28:21.662 --> 01:28:25.467
[SPEAKER_00]: As Randy the Ram struggled through the end of his career, I saw

01:28:25.447 --> 01:28:30.213
[SPEAKER_00]: stuff that was very reminiscent of that plus poor AJ Styles, this part got all the cut.

01:28:30.934 --> 01:28:35.220
[SPEAKER_00]: But Brad mentioned that it's the most non-air in off-skier in off-skier movie.

01:28:35.280 --> 01:28:38.043
[SPEAKER_00]: It's a straightforward narrative, but I understand your point.

01:28:38.063 --> 01:28:39.225
[SPEAKER_00]: He does have a style.

01:28:39.906 --> 01:28:41.708
[SPEAKER_00]: But I thought it was very, very good.

01:28:41.748 --> 01:28:52.602
[SPEAKER_00]: The other one, I'm going to say there was a good one not too long ago called Queen the Ring that came out about women's wrestling in the

01:28:52.970 --> 01:28:53.491
[SPEAKER_00]: was good.

01:28:53.811 --> 01:28:54.452
[SPEAKER_00]: It was pretty good.

01:28:54.472 --> 01:28:54.712
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not.

01:28:54.832 --> 01:28:55.533
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not trying to put it.

01:28:55.573 --> 01:28:56.835
[SPEAKER_01]: I got the history.

01:28:56.875 --> 01:29:00.900
[SPEAKER_01]: I got the history lesson for somebody and who's like, no, that didn't happen that way.

01:29:00.920 --> 01:29:02.302
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm like, okay, good to know.

01:29:02.803 --> 01:29:06.447
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I'm not going to repeat that part because I'm going to get it.

01:29:06.467 --> 01:29:10.693
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, in the movie also at the boil like 20 years of the woman's career down doing out to two hours.

01:29:10.713 --> 01:29:11.334
[SPEAKER_00]: So that was stuff.

01:29:11.454 --> 01:29:13.777
[SPEAKER_00]: But I would recommend going to see that one.

01:29:13.817 --> 01:29:14.377
[SPEAKER_00]: It's pretty good.

01:29:14.838 --> 01:29:15.619
[SPEAKER_00]: And uh,

01:29:15.599 --> 01:29:17.024
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I liked it.

01:29:17.265 --> 01:29:23.787
[SPEAKER_00]: I just thought they did a good job with that one as far as just playfulness and most fun.

01:29:24.408 --> 01:29:29.919
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, geez, there haven't been a lot of really, really great ones, but I do like body slam.

01:29:29.959 --> 01:29:30.541
[SPEAKER_00]: It's so silly.

01:29:30.801 --> 01:29:32.585
[SPEAKER_00]: It's just kind of it's just kind of goofy fun.

01:29:33.026 --> 01:29:45.792
[SPEAKER_00]: I like to hurt people was was is weird as hell to just weird as hell and and so strange that it's almost got a cult movie status so that that's that's probably my recommendations anyway for those.

01:29:46.008 --> 01:29:57.317
[SPEAKER_00]: I got to look at these comments, you know, what movie that we got to know, they're the only so far ready to rumble in the wrestler and then Brad also mentions he thinks, but he says the best wrestler turned actor.

01:29:57.432 --> 01:30:01.356
[SPEAKER_00]: Uh, he's legit after now, great and blade runner in the glass onion was an awesome roll.

01:30:01.797 --> 01:30:05.661
[SPEAKER_01]: So he says he's not gonna hit in the skill of acting.

01:30:06.722 --> 01:30:07.763
[SPEAKER_01]: Is he the most successful?

01:30:08.244 --> 01:30:14.391
[SPEAKER_01]: We, yeah, but in the, I want to be a serious death pin of the screen.

01:30:14.511 --> 01:30:27.405
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, Patista has done the most work I believe of anyone to turn that reputation uh solid in that way.

01:30:28.567 --> 01:30:31.531
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, you know, he knows really good.

01:30:31.571 --> 01:30:33.193
[SPEAKER_00]: And every role he's ever in, though, is Terry Funk.

01:30:34.435 --> 01:30:35.236
[SPEAKER_00]: Terry Funk's terrific.

01:30:35.276 --> 01:30:37.559
[SPEAKER_00]: You did a bunch of like the Stallone movie was it over the top?

01:30:37.900 --> 01:30:38.881
[SPEAKER_00]: Was it over the top he was in?

01:30:39.001 --> 01:30:40.323
[SPEAKER_00]: No, I'm getting that wrong.

01:30:40.343 --> 01:30:40.664
[SPEAKER_00]: Roadouts.

01:30:41.705 --> 01:30:42.126
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, wow.

01:30:42.206 --> 01:30:44.149
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, come on, that's one of the great bad movies ever.

01:30:44.529 --> 01:30:48.274
[SPEAKER_00]: That's a great B movie that he's East Terrific as a heavy end.

01:30:48.755 --> 01:30:50.678
[SPEAKER_00]: So I, but I love Terry Funk anyway.

01:30:50.698 --> 01:30:51.379
[SPEAKER_00]: I think he's the greatest.

01:30:51.679 --> 01:30:56.025
[SPEAKER_00]: I think he's, he's my goat in pro wrestling as far as just,

01:30:56.005 --> 01:31:06.758
[SPEAKER_01]: I think probably the most versatile wrestler-turn actor, and I'm going to end with credit here if John Cena, that dude can do what a lot of different stuff.

01:31:07.396 --> 01:31:11.222
[SPEAKER_00]: Committing a lot of doing a lot of different stuff and doing it well to different things.

01:31:11.242 --> 01:31:12.444
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm calling him versatile.

01:31:12.564 --> 01:31:19.876
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think that a lot of people have the range of being comedy and serious to the degree then, you know, he's been able to show in the course of this career.

01:31:20.036 --> 01:31:21.158
[SPEAKER_00]: He does comedy pretty well.

01:31:21.178 --> 01:31:22.179
[SPEAKER_00]: He does comedy real well.

01:31:22.199 --> 01:31:22.420
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

01:31:22.440 --> 01:31:22.900
[SPEAKER_00]: That's true.

01:31:22.920 --> 01:31:25.004
[SPEAKER_01]: He's a very versatile actor.

01:31:25.024 --> 01:31:26.787
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not saying he's the greatest actor in the world.

01:31:27.187 --> 01:31:31.794
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not he may even be the like one of those profitable actors in the world.

01:31:31.915 --> 01:31:32.796
[SPEAKER_01]: He's getting there.

01:31:32.776 --> 01:31:35.378
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, yeah, and no, yeah, I understand your point.

01:31:35.418 --> 01:31:41.343
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, yeah, he doesn't approach like Patisse's acting chops, but he, the matter of time, I see him in a comedy.

01:31:41.804 --> 01:31:43.925
[SPEAKER_01]: No, I have to climb this comedy very well.

01:31:43.945 --> 01:31:45.787
[SPEAKER_01]: You can, you can do, you can do comedy.

01:31:45.827 --> 01:31:51.352
[SPEAKER_01]: And then, you know, he does the superhero stuff with peacemaker and all these things.

01:31:51.392 --> 01:31:55.815
[SPEAKER_01]: Just, you, you, you hear his voice and commercials all the time.

01:31:56.276 --> 01:32:02.361
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, it's just like he is, he is incredibly versatile.

01:32:03.708 --> 01:32:09.494
[SPEAKER_00]: No forget, Oddjob, one of the great James Bond villains of professional wrestler also.

01:32:09.514 --> 01:32:20.725
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not putting him up there for an Oscar or anything, but Oddjob, but the guy that had the blade is the brim of his hat was a razor sharp blade and he threw it at the good guys, come on.

01:32:20.745 --> 01:32:24.909
[SPEAKER_01]: I'll give it, said we're talking about heroes at the screen.

01:32:25.069 --> 01:32:29.253
[SPEAKER_01]: Why don't we talk about Tiger Mask?

01:32:29.273 --> 01:32:31.015
[SPEAKER_00]: All right, fine, I was having a good time.

01:32:33.492 --> 01:32:34.254
[SPEAKER_00]: All right, fine.

01:32:34.615 --> 01:32:35.818
[SPEAKER_01]: That'll help a second way.

01:32:36.098 --> 01:32:36.800
[SPEAKER_01]: You've got to admit.

01:32:37.241 --> 01:32:38.644
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, I got to try to pretty good.

01:32:38.945 --> 01:32:42.754
[SPEAKER_00]: Tiger mask, fine.

01:32:42.875 --> 01:32:47.265
[SPEAKER_00]: Now, all of our funds over, we'll go to Tiger mask, but I might tone hello, reporting for duty.

01:32:47.667 --> 01:32:56.919
[SPEAKER_00]: I left off in 1996 when he, Yamazaki, had begun his career, Mitchen Okupro, and had left for England for a little while.

01:32:56.939 --> 01:32:58.521
[SPEAKER_00]: We did about two months over there in England.

01:32:58.801 --> 01:33:02.867
[SPEAKER_00]: And then came back to Japan, back to his prominent spot with Mitchen Okupro wrestling.

01:33:02.907 --> 01:33:07.633
[SPEAKER_00]: Now in 1996, Mitchen Okupro was kind of one of the cool kids on the block.

01:33:07.713 --> 01:33:09.355
[SPEAKER_00]: One of the cool little,

01:33:09.588 --> 01:33:16.820
[SPEAKER_00]: Indie promotion is a little bit bigger than an Indie promotion, but as far as a non-major, it had some buzz to it.

01:33:16.900 --> 01:33:17.962
[SPEAKER_00]: It had a lot of talent.

01:33:18.402 --> 01:33:24.773
[SPEAKER_00]: It was mostly smaller guys doing fast-paced, exciting, high-flying wrestling, and it was a fun watch.

01:33:25.334 --> 01:33:31.364
[SPEAKER_00]: And getting Mitch and Oka Pro guys on your big show was kind of a thing in the late 90s.

01:33:31.384 --> 01:33:34.549
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to demonstrate that or talk about that as we move on.

01:33:36.318 --> 01:33:38.021
[SPEAKER_00]: I mentioned that he came back in a prominent spot.

01:33:38.061 --> 01:33:47.057
[SPEAKER_00]: He was always either at a close to the main events and missionoke a pro a lot of times working with Sasaki, Great Sasaki, one of his, Sasuke, one of his trainers.

01:33:47.598 --> 01:33:49.221
[SPEAKER_00]: I should say it correctly, they're a great Sasuke.

01:33:49.922 --> 01:33:50.243
[SPEAKER_00]: And...

01:33:51.404 --> 01:33:55.770
[SPEAKER_00]: Here's what I mean by Missionoke Pro being in prominent spots.

01:33:55.790 --> 01:33:59.275
[SPEAKER_00]: He competed at the Ricky Doeson Memorial Show in 1996.

01:33:59.976 --> 01:34:03.361
[SPEAKER_00]: He wrestled Satoro Siamma, his trainer and the original tiger mask.

01:34:03.381 --> 01:34:04.763
[SPEAKER_00]: Talk a little bit about that last week.

01:34:05.204 --> 01:34:13.115
[SPEAKER_00]: They went to a 33-minute draw, Jeremy, so they did a thing where they went to a half hour draw and then asked for three more minutes, still couldn't settle it.

01:34:13.496 --> 01:34:16.480
[SPEAKER_00]: But that was in front of 16,000 people at Yoke Hama Arena.

01:34:17.101 --> 01:34:18.002
[SPEAKER_00]: The main event.

01:34:18.742 --> 01:34:24.268
[SPEAKER_00]: was Janituro Tenru and Tetsumi Fujinami, against Koki Kittahara and Ricky Choshu in the main event.

01:34:24.368 --> 01:34:32.296
[SPEAKER_00]: So some of the biggest names in the business at the time and, you know, I would leave well, Tenru and Choshu maybe toward the end of that run.

01:34:32.376 --> 01:34:34.598
[SPEAKER_00]: Fujinami was a little bit past, but these are big names.

01:34:34.918 --> 01:34:36.600
[SPEAKER_00]: The Ricky does on Memorial Show.

01:34:37.220 --> 01:34:40.063
[SPEAKER_00]: And Muto and Kent's case, Sasaki were on there.

01:34:40.083 --> 01:34:43.787
[SPEAKER_00]: They wrestled in defeated Shini Hashimoto and Jiji Hirata.

01:34:43.767 --> 01:34:53.116
[SPEAKER_00]: Tiger Mask and Siyama were on that show 10th out of 14 matches, and they were on after Ricky Dozan's son, Mitsuo Mimoda, who had a match on the show.

01:34:53.477 --> 01:35:00.204
[SPEAKER_00]: They were on after Chagus in the Gaio from the Crush Gals, Dynamite Concai, who was one of the top Joshis in the world at the time.

01:35:00.264 --> 01:35:10.634
[SPEAKER_00]: So, only a couple years into his career, he's in a pretty prominent spot against a very famous man at the at the Memorial Show for the most famous wrestler in Japanese history.

01:35:11.435 --> 01:35:12.576
[SPEAKER_00]: Things are going pretty well.

01:35:13.703 --> 01:35:17.548
[SPEAKER_00]: He made his the first appearance for CMLL and arena Mexico that year.

01:35:18.669 --> 01:35:21.172
[SPEAKER_00]: September 23rd, 1996, he won his first title.

01:35:21.192 --> 01:35:24.616
[SPEAKER_00]: And that was the vacant UWA World Middleweight Championship.

01:35:24.676 --> 01:35:27.179
[SPEAKER_00]: That's a former Lucha Libre title.

01:35:27.219 --> 01:35:38.833
[SPEAKER_00]: The UWA was another Mexican major back in the 70s and the 80s, which unfortunately ran into some financial trouble but the UWA,

01:35:38.932 --> 01:35:42.341
[SPEAKER_00]: I believe they used to, they had a colosseum that they wrestled in because of that.

01:35:42.421 --> 01:35:45.970
[SPEAKER_00]: We mentioned that arena Mexico is a big building, but CMLL owns it.

01:35:46.010 --> 01:35:51.965
[SPEAKER_00]: No, it's not like a cork and haul thing where anyone can run it or put a con or symbol where other companies do that.

01:35:51.985 --> 01:35:53.950
[SPEAKER_00]: That's the CMLL owned buildings.

01:35:53.970 --> 01:35:55.253
[SPEAKER_00]: No one else can get in.

01:35:55.233 --> 01:36:09.640
[SPEAKER_00]: But UWA used to run other companies, other cities and other arenas and draw five figures regularly for a while and they had a junior, a middleweight championship, which is basically translates to a junior heavyweight title.

01:36:09.660 --> 01:36:10.883
[SPEAKER_00]: It was vacant at the time.

01:36:11.223 --> 01:36:14.710
[SPEAKER_00]: He defeated men's tail to win it.

01:36:14.690 --> 01:36:23.667
[SPEAKER_00]: And that was his first championship, at that point the UWA had faded out and the mission Okapro guys had the title.

01:36:23.687 --> 01:36:28.416
[SPEAKER_00]: He had to vacate the title due to an injury in December, though, and he was out until April of 1997.

01:36:28.757 --> 01:36:31.121
[SPEAKER_00]: So he missed four months with that injury.

01:36:32.163 --> 01:36:34.648
[SPEAKER_00]: Came right back in a mission Okapro.

01:36:34.668 --> 01:36:34.808
[SPEAKER_00]: And

01:36:35.682 --> 01:36:40.187
[SPEAKER_00]: In that one, some of the, they were part of ECW's first pay per view, Missionoke of Pro was.

01:36:40.247 --> 01:36:45.412
[SPEAKER_00]: If you watch that was a Japanese match in the middle of that one, that was just a high-flying air show.

01:36:46.153 --> 01:36:48.015
[SPEAKER_00]: And a lot of those guys, Missionoke of Pro guys.

01:36:48.075 --> 01:36:49.196
[SPEAKER_00]: That's not gonna mess, didn't do that.

01:36:49.757 --> 01:36:54.121
[SPEAKER_00]: But in December of 1997, he made an ECW TV taping.

01:36:54.662 --> 01:37:01.889
[SPEAKER_00]: So he came over to America and New York City to the TV taping in New York and it also worked a house show the next night before coming back to Japan.

01:37:02.190 --> 01:37:04.592
[SPEAKER_00]: Both times losing the great saucegate.

01:37:05.450 --> 01:37:07.152
[SPEAKER_00]: He, uh, I mentioned the CML show.

01:37:07.172 --> 01:37:09.815
[SPEAKER_00]: He also worked for Battle Arts, which is another Japanese company.

01:37:10.456 --> 01:37:27.376
[SPEAKER_00]: And so it's clear that Michinokeu Pro is kind of the, the hot thing that you would, if you have a big show, you bring in a Michinokeu Pro match to have an exciting fast pace, junior heavyweight match in your show, just to bring that kind of air to it, the variety of it.

01:37:27.396 --> 01:37:30.060
[SPEAKER_00]: We're going to bring in and and because it had that cool thing.

01:37:30.080 --> 01:37:31.221
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, it's Michinokeu Pro match.

01:37:31.201 --> 01:37:37.736
[SPEAKER_00]: And there are a lot of those guys, Mitch, you know, a Taco, Mitch, no, of Dictogo when he was young and very, and very spray.

01:37:37.797 --> 01:37:38.598
[SPEAKER_00]: We're all part of this.

01:37:38.699 --> 01:37:42.969
[SPEAKER_00]: I mentioned before, Super Delphine and Grande-Ni-One, of course, the Suscades.

01:37:42.989 --> 01:37:44.733
[SPEAKER_00]: So, there were a lot of others.

01:37:44.793 --> 01:37:46.898
[SPEAKER_00]: They had a fun roster to watch.

01:37:47.873 --> 01:37:53.406
[SPEAKER_00]: and they felt very comfortable with Tiger Mask representing their company on all these other shows.

01:37:53.787 --> 01:38:02.187
[SPEAKER_00]: He even did a guest shot in a men's match on a big, all Japan women's show where they had a men's tag team match for Missionoke a pro underneath it.

01:38:03.027 --> 01:38:09.021
[SPEAKER_00]: And in 1998, more of the same in 1999, he began to really branch out from Michanoko.

01:38:09.061 --> 01:38:10.604
[SPEAKER_00]: He was also put strong that year.

01:38:10.644 --> 01:38:14.613
[SPEAKER_00]: He went 69, 27, and 8 in his matches.

01:38:14.673 --> 01:38:17.480
[SPEAKER_00]: So he was winning a lot more than he was losing.

01:38:17.500 --> 01:38:19.605
[SPEAKER_00]: And that continued on into the year 2000.

01:38:19.665 --> 01:38:20.226
[SPEAKER_00]: But.

01:38:20.881 --> 01:38:27.212
[SPEAKER_00]: May 2, 1999, all Japan held the Baba Memorial in the Tokyo Dome.

01:38:27.232 --> 01:38:28.935
[SPEAKER_00]: And this was packed.

01:38:28.955 --> 01:38:36.207
[SPEAKER_00]: So we're talking at the time without the grand entrance and video boards in the outfield, just a tunnel.

01:38:36.187 --> 01:39:03.612
[SPEAKER_00]: No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no

01:39:03.592 --> 01:39:11.695
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, so he is in a very prominent spot, Ricky Doeson Memorial, Boba Memorial, CMLL, all of that stuff.

01:39:11.911 --> 01:39:18.541
[SPEAKER_00]: The main event of that show, by the way, that Boba Memorial was Mitsuhara Masawa beating bader in the main event for the triple crown title.

01:39:18.621 --> 01:39:19.483
[SPEAKER_00]: That was that one.

01:39:19.503 --> 01:39:23.870
[SPEAKER_00]: And underneath that, Johnny A's and the road warriors.

01:39:24.070 --> 01:39:26.714
[SPEAKER_00]: So you had both of the Loranitis brothers in the same match.

01:39:26.774 --> 01:39:29.338
[SPEAKER_00]: There's Johnny A's and the road warriors defeated Pacushi.

01:39:29.799 --> 01:39:31.762
[SPEAKER_00]: Remember how Kushi from the WWE F at the time?

01:39:31.782 --> 01:39:32.443
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, the run.

01:39:32.463 --> 01:39:37.611
[SPEAKER_00]: It's like a Kenta Kobashi and Jun Akiyama, the semi-may.

01:39:37.631 --> 01:39:40.315
[SPEAKER_00]: And so these are the kind of names he's in there with.

01:39:40.615 --> 01:39:43.680
[SPEAKER_00]: And again, pretty early within the first few years of his career.

01:39:45.042 --> 01:39:50.670
[SPEAKER_00]: And he wrestled England Puerto Rico, Tori Uman, Japan, he joined the moment here.

01:39:52.293 --> 01:39:56.499
[SPEAKER_00]: He was booked for UFO, which was United Fighting Arts Organization.

01:39:57.501 --> 01:39:57.901
[SPEAKER_00]: UFO.

01:39:58.442 --> 01:40:06.374
[SPEAKER_00]: This was a company that was run by Antonio Inoki, and it was one of his work to shoot promotions that he was doing while he was still running New Japan.

01:40:06.595 --> 01:40:09.559
[SPEAKER_00]: And you wanted to kind of do this whole

01:40:09.758 --> 01:40:13.625
[SPEAKER_00]: I mentioned the title that he held the New Japan for a while before there was an IWGP title.

01:40:13.645 --> 01:40:31.918
[SPEAKER_00]: He held the world martial arts title, just titled, he made up for himself, and then he would defend that against all the people from, you know, the Russian sombo fighters and the judoka who he would bring in and higher to come in and lose to him to put over the idea that pro wrestlers were the greatest fighters.

01:40:31.898 --> 01:40:44.777
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, he had these worksheet promotions UFO when he booked Tiger Mass for one of those that would come in handy because that gave him kind of his first entrance into his first contact with some of the prominent people in New Japan.

01:40:45.037 --> 01:40:48.202
[SPEAKER_00]: And of course, great Sasuke worked for New Japan quite a bit too.

01:40:48.222 --> 01:40:50.124
[SPEAKER_00]: They would bring him in for junior heavyweight tournaments.

01:40:50.144 --> 01:40:55.392
[SPEAKER_00]: So he's starting to get New Japan adjacent in a lot of ways.

01:40:56.722 --> 01:41:26.222
[SPEAKER_00]: uh... he also by the way he wrestle for uh... wrestle and romance war the war promotion that uh... she sure tend to have that's for christherico got a start in japan by the way he wrestle the guy named tomahiro ishi either in back in uh... nineteen ninety so he ran into ishi uh... he won the british commonwealth title that's another title for uh... a promotion over there in england brunt that title back to japan uh... but then they got a that title was kind of dropped and they brought back later that year

01:41:26.202 --> 01:41:38.498
[SPEAKER_00]: and he was still curry man, Christopher Daniels, Laura Mash, the crown of New Champion, Tiger Mask, won it back from him, and then held that title for almost a year and defended that in Missionoke of Pro, as the British Commonwealth Championship.

01:41:38.558 --> 01:41:52.817
[SPEAKER_00]: Again, that whole Japanese wrestling trope that we saw in New Japan the very early days where they feel like the best way to get credibility is to win a title in another promotion and bring it to Japan, rather than just have a tournament and say,

01:41:52.797 --> 01:41:53.781
[SPEAKER_00]: Here's our title.

01:41:54.284 --> 01:42:00.833
[SPEAKER_00]: They feel like it matters more if you go and conquer and then bring back a prize.

01:42:01.505 --> 01:42:03.628
[SPEAKER_00]: And that title means more to them.

01:42:03.669 --> 01:42:05.712
[SPEAKER_00]: That was kind of a thing in Japanese wrestling for a while.

01:42:06.313 --> 01:42:10.660
[SPEAKER_00]: And now I think promotions are a little more comfortable just creating their own championships now.

01:42:10.720 --> 01:42:12.283
[SPEAKER_00]: But back then that was the thing.

01:42:12.303 --> 01:42:14.066
[SPEAKER_00]: So they did it there with British Commonwealth title.

01:42:14.266 --> 01:42:21.838
[SPEAKER_00]: And that became his Michinoku pro title to defend throughout the year.

01:42:21.899 --> 01:42:24.302
[SPEAKER_00]: And I guess I said almost a year.

01:42:24.443 --> 01:42:26.466
[SPEAKER_00]: It was owned within a couple of weeks of year.

01:42:27.796 --> 01:42:33.403
[SPEAKER_00]: He was training in MMA also, and he wrestled less in the year 2001 than he had.

01:42:34.104 --> 01:42:49.382
[SPEAKER_00]: And Missionoke Appro was also teetering a little bit, it wasn't the hot property as much anymore, it was still successful, but he was training in a little bit of MMA, although he turned down and offered to have an MMA fight in the Tiger Mask itself.

01:42:49.362 --> 01:42:51.284
[SPEAKER_00]: which I think would have been entertaining if he had done it.

01:42:51.684 --> 01:42:58.371
[SPEAKER_00]: But he turned down the chance to do that to have like a shoot real fight with his mask on, would have been kind of a mine screw there, I think.

01:42:59.292 --> 01:43:05.779
[SPEAKER_00]: But he appeared for the first time on a new Japan show on January 4th, 2002.

01:43:05.799 --> 01:43:08.862
[SPEAKER_00]: And that was in the Tokyo Doma Course.

01:43:08.902 --> 01:43:11.425
[SPEAKER_00]: That was the traditional January 4th dome event.

01:43:11.865 --> 01:43:17.631
[SPEAKER_00]: He and Greg Sasuke again teamed with Duchen Lager in a trio's match to face.

01:43:17.746 --> 01:43:19.468
[SPEAKER_00]: I mentioned this is 2002, right, Jeremy?

01:43:21.031 --> 01:43:21.171
[SPEAKER_00]: Mm-hmm.

01:43:21.191 --> 01:43:31.105
[SPEAKER_00]: The three guys who he wrestled are still in New Japan today, or at least are back in it, it is Jato, Gato, and Dictogo, their opponents that day.

01:43:31.285 --> 01:43:39.417
[SPEAKER_00]: That was who, the main event, by the way, of Wrestling World 2002, the New Japan Show and the Tokyo Dome on January 4th that year,

01:43:39.717 --> 01:43:46.187
[SPEAKER_00]: was Junaki Yamav vs. Yujinagata 4, the GHC title in the main event.

01:43:46.508 --> 01:43:49.713
[SPEAKER_00]: The IWGP title was not defended on that show.

01:43:50.534 --> 01:43:53.699
[SPEAKER_00]: Main event of the Tokyo Dom show was for the GHC title.

01:43:53.719 --> 01:43:58.266
[SPEAKER_00]: How much of a weird time was that for pro wrestling in New Japan as a whole?

01:43:59.148 --> 01:44:01.892
[SPEAKER_00]: It was a weird time.

01:44:02.613 --> 01:44:06.940
[SPEAKER_00]: And I mentioned that he had gone to work for Enoki a little bit with UFO.

01:44:07.780 --> 01:44:10.843
[SPEAKER_00]: He's been working with great sauce OK who has the New Japan connections.

01:44:10.883 --> 01:44:13.866
[SPEAKER_00]: Then he shows up with great sauce OK at wrestling world 2002.

01:44:16.248 --> 01:44:22.935
[SPEAKER_00]: After that, we're going to leave it there for this week because he was spent the next couple of months in 2002 finishing up for Michi Noku Pro.

01:44:23.536 --> 01:44:32.004
[SPEAKER_00]: At that point, he was headed into his first best of the Super Junior Tournament and a full-time job with New Japan Pro wrestling.

01:44:32.064 --> 01:44:32.725
[SPEAKER_00]: So, he

01:44:32.705 --> 01:44:49.077
[SPEAKER_00]: made his bones with Missionoke of Pro got in front of a lot of different people working a lot of different shows that had multi-promotions and multiple promotions on them with some of the biggest names in the world in the front of some huge crowds and he made a name and he got in with New Japan.

01:44:49.057 --> 01:44:56.728
[SPEAKER_00]: And at this point, we will pick it up here next week with his first strong run in New Japan pro wrestling.

01:44:57.129 --> 01:45:03.438
[SPEAKER_00]: As he finished up working for Michi Oku and would move up to the biggest company in Japan at the time.

01:45:04.519 --> 01:45:06.663
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, second, maybe second to know at the time.

01:45:06.903 --> 01:45:07.544
[SPEAKER_00]: It'd be close.

01:45:08.065 --> 01:45:11.249
[SPEAKER_00]: It'd be close with Noah and New Japan in 2002.

01:45:11.730 --> 01:45:12.431
[SPEAKER_00]: But he was headed up.

01:45:14.694 --> 01:45:15.075
[SPEAKER_01]: All right.

01:45:17.538 --> 01:45:18.760
[SPEAKER_01]: Thank you for doing this,

01:45:19.448 --> 01:45:20.049
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, that's fine.

01:45:20.069 --> 01:45:36.541
[SPEAKER_01]: I always said we're doing this in a little chunks and I'm not going to check up too much for the time at the end of all this we're going to put it all together and we'll put it into a nice little package for people to kind of digest later on and thing and this is what are our second second chapter.

01:45:36.601 --> 01:45:38.524
[SPEAKER_01]: Have you done one or two of these before the second.

01:45:38.885 --> 01:45:39.887
[SPEAKER_00]: This is our second.

01:45:40.289 --> 01:45:50.523
[SPEAKER_01]: So I got to make sure I go back and collect everything and make sure because the the file that we use is it's only finite and it's long.

01:45:50.563 --> 01:45:52.305
[SPEAKER_01]: It's we're making more shows.

01:45:52.425 --> 01:45:54.228
[SPEAKER_01]: So I got it.

01:45:54.288 --> 01:45:55.710
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm only I'm only finite too.

01:45:55.810 --> 01:45:56.671
[SPEAKER_00]: So don't feel better.

01:45:56.691 --> 01:45:57.472
[SPEAKER_01]: We're all finite.

01:45:57.492 --> 01:46:02.238
[SPEAKER_01]: We're only here with a limited amount of energy Steven and how we transfer that energy to others.

01:46:02.959 --> 01:46:05.723
[SPEAKER_01]: That's the true message of humanity.

01:46:06.445 --> 01:46:07.788
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, that's about says great history.

01:46:07.828 --> 01:46:08.088
[SPEAKER_00]: Thank you.

01:46:08.108 --> 01:46:09.050
[SPEAKER_00]: That's my appreciate that.

01:46:09.191 --> 01:46:09.732
[SPEAKER_00]: Thank you so much.

01:46:09.772 --> 01:46:11.496
[SPEAKER_01]: I will just take all the credit in the world.

01:46:13.019 --> 01:46:19.733
[SPEAKER_00]: Now, and now that we know that Tenson is retiring later, this year, we'll work on him as well.

01:46:19.813 --> 01:46:22.479
[SPEAKER_01]: We'll run it back with another guy, right around the two one.

01:46:22.619 --> 01:46:23.000
[SPEAKER_01]: Good time.

01:46:24.202 --> 01:46:26.968
[SPEAKER_01]: All right, you got anything else for a big man?

01:46:27.100 --> 01:46:27.881
[SPEAKER_00]: I think that's about it.

01:46:27.961 --> 01:46:36.812
[SPEAKER_00]: So I'm gonna be watching Sumo throughout the week and I try to catch up on some Joshi, get ready some things, but a lot of shows coming up this week and we mentioned those headlining matches.

01:46:36.832 --> 01:46:38.354
[SPEAKER_00]: Those aren't the only good matches this week.

01:46:38.394 --> 01:46:43.540
[SPEAKER_00]: I really recommend that there's good positive energy coming out of today's best of the Super Junior show.

01:46:44.121 --> 01:46:47.865
[SPEAKER_00]: And let's hope it continues throughout the week, but there's certainly some good action to come.

01:46:47.926 --> 01:46:49.688
[SPEAKER_00]: So this is exactly what we needed.

01:46:49.728 --> 01:46:50.809
[SPEAKER_00]: We needed something to have been bigger, right?

01:46:50.829 --> 01:46:51.970
[SPEAKER_00]: So I feel like we shot it.

01:46:51.990 --> 01:46:53.432
[SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, sure, all right.

01:46:53.452 --> 01:46:54.053
[SPEAKER_00]: So.

01:46:54.033 --> 01:46:59.100
[SPEAKER_00]: When we come back next week, we'll talk about these three shows that are in and around the Tokyo area.

01:46:59.160 --> 01:47:05.668
[SPEAKER_00]: So Hachi Oji, the Yoyogi back in, uh, back in Tokyo, Don't City with Corican Hall show again on Wednesday.

01:47:05.708 --> 01:47:09.814
[SPEAKER_00]: We'll preview the southernbound swing headed toward Osaka and Kyoto.

01:47:10.675 --> 01:47:13.919
[SPEAKER_00]: Cover all that any other news that comes up.

01:47:14.420 --> 01:47:16.142
[SPEAKER_00]: Jeremy, anything else?

01:47:16.122 --> 01:47:17.123
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, enjoy that.

01:47:17.143 --> 01:47:27.417
[SPEAKER_00]: And don't forget, they live, John Carpenter, around he ready pepper here on the fight game media network, power bombshells back on Sunday as well at 1 p.m. Eastern, all the good.

01:47:27.437 --> 01:47:30.481
[SPEAKER_00]: So we actually covered on, uh, got a Tom Talk rubbish.

01:47:30.541 --> 01:47:32.424
[SPEAKER_01]: We both have interviews on the queue there.

01:47:33.025 --> 01:47:39.413
[SPEAKER_01]: Next week, I'll be back with Garrett Gonzalez to review AEW double or nothing.

01:47:39.393 --> 01:47:46.207
[SPEAKER_00]: You're just getting, you guys getting a lot of me also coming up remember we're doing we're doing Ocada Shabbat next week too.

01:47:46.267 --> 01:47:47.289
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yeah, let's do it.

01:47:47.309 --> 01:47:48.391
[SPEAKER_01]: We call it what I can remember.

01:47:48.752 --> 01:47:51.938
[SPEAKER_01]: Top rope nation with Jesse Blaskas.

01:47:52.319 --> 01:47:58.130
[SPEAKER_01]: We're going to be running back the, uh, the what's the current genesis from 2017.

01:47:58.190 --> 01:48:00.996
[SPEAKER_01]: That's just famous in famous.

01:48:01.398 --> 01:48:08.213
[SPEAKER_01]: the dehydration match with Shibata and Okada and the headbugs and all the stuff.

01:48:08.955 --> 01:48:13.585
[SPEAKER_01]: And don't mess with the doctor's kids, that's my rule deal.

01:48:14.510 --> 01:48:17.413
[SPEAKER_00]: All right, well with that in mind, I want to thank everybody that joined us here live.

01:48:17.433 --> 01:48:18.434
[SPEAKER_00]: We appreciate the comments.

01:48:18.454 --> 01:48:25.161
[SPEAKER_00]: A lot of fun talking about wrestling movies and debating the most successful Japanese in WWE history.

01:48:25.181 --> 01:48:25.502
[SPEAKER_00]: I was fun.

01:48:25.542 --> 01:48:26.403
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm glad we did that.

01:48:26.423 --> 01:48:27.644
[SPEAKER_00]: I like that kind of interaction.

01:48:28.024 --> 01:48:33.510
[SPEAKER_00]: So for those of you who are listening to us later, either here on YouTube or on the podcast.

01:48:33.610 --> 01:48:34.491
[SPEAKER_00]: Thank you for your time.

01:48:34.791 --> 01:48:36.193
[SPEAKER_00]: We're always grateful to you all.

01:48:36.213 --> 01:48:36.894
[SPEAKER_00]: They're all comments.

01:48:36.914 --> 01:48:37.755
[SPEAKER_01]: Come on, movey.

01:48:37.815 --> 01:48:38.455
[SPEAKER_01]: I want you to think.

01:48:38.575 --> 01:48:40.117
[SPEAKER_01]: We love to get feedback.

01:48:40.137 --> 01:48:42.880
[SPEAKER_01]: Even if it's that, I just like knowing people listen.

01:48:43.417 --> 01:48:45.062
[SPEAKER_00]: Enjoy best of Super Junior's guys.

01:48:45.504 --> 01:48:47.651
[SPEAKER_00]: We will be back next week for Jeremy Feinstein.

01:48:47.671 --> 01:48:48.474
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm Stephen Conway.

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[SPEAKER_00]: This has been Speaking of Strong Style, and we'll talk to you again real soon.