Is the Bloodline Story Dead? Is Will Ospreay Playing With Fate? | Takedown

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[SPEAKER_00]: All right, we have an early episode of takedown in the reason why we're doing this so early is because your date night got canceled.

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[SPEAKER_00]: What happened?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, did nothing just the person that normally looks after my daughter.

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[SPEAKER_01]: My son actually is not feeling too well.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So he wanted to take the evening off and he comes to watch us during the day while I'm working during the summer as well a couple days a week.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And so he thought it would be more important to do that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So he's going to sit out tonight and then tomorrow during the day he's going to take her out.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Are you checking out taking a rain check with date night possibly possibly like we'll see you know I am because we it's nice to get out once a week.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We just go for supper usually or just go for walk or something.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Do you know what hat I'm wearing this is fantastic for the audio folks, by the way, I can't make it out.

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[SPEAKER_01]: it is sukeban.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, okay.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, right.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That, um, whatever happened to that, there's still running shows.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Are they okay?

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[SPEAKER_01]: They're just not, it's like North American Yoshi promotion, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's actually, um, not even North American.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They, they are ran in London.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They were just not Japanese.

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[SPEAKER_00]: What have gathered?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, is they are,

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[SPEAKER_00]: Josie wrestlers and they've given them new characters and I think the idea is to brand the characters and then maybe even maybe do some like anime around the characters or something So then you have like the anime and then the tying and the wrestling and if you want to see these anime characters Do battle they do battle like in the live wrestling ring and try it's kind of an interesting concept the reason why I have it is because one of the guys who works there

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[SPEAKER_00]: Obviously, he listens to wrestling as a radio.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He also worked for Darkside.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We've been trading emails back and forth probably like the past five or six years.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And he was in town a couple months ago.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so we had lunch and I was just interested in what they were doing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I knew a little bit about it, but he was opening up a little bit more.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then we were just talking about normal wrestling stuff.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So he sent me a couple of hats actually, my wife.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Where's the other hat that he gave me, which is a pink one, she wears it like when we play pickle ball and stuff and yeah really cool like I mean obviously I love the idea it is a concept that is not traditional American pro wrestling so it's not going to catch on in that way, but just the branding idea and the marketing idea is pretty pretty cool.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I hope they do well.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, yeah, I hadn't even heard anything about that since like their debut shows like I just completely forgotten about it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, they kind of get on the radar of like

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[SPEAKER_00]: fashion culture and stuff like that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, let's obviously a niche product.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So, you know, hopefully they find their niche.

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[SPEAKER_00]: All right, let's talk about some of the topics.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We're in a bounce around.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We actually have more than just the normal two or three topics.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So we'll kind of get scoot through these a little bit more quickly than we normally do, but I'll see what's in raw.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Last night.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm not saying that this hit me like in a piphany.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's I've been feeling this way watching solo and Jacob and the usos and all of a sudden like LA night has to get advice on how to fight the bloodline by solo.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm like what like two weeks ago, he's telling solo like how to fight like he's like the bloodline the reason the bloodline exists is because it's always the gang against one person and now solo like it just.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The storylines are either, they're just repetitive or they've stopped making sense or they're stuck in the mud or something, but this bloodline thing, I'm kind of wondering if it's just dead.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, do we need to move on completely from the bloodline?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Hi, yeah, I don't know.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, the thing is like, I know you don't always watch SmackDown.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So this kind of carried over, this been going on for a couple of months really on SmackDown where Solo's just basically worn LA night down.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like he's been trying to become friends with him because he had nobody because they fired his family.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, and then the tongons that are still there, they quit.

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[SPEAKER_01]: like they just quit him and now they're with how cool and so he's you know who is on Smackdown yeah yeah he's their manager oh my goodness yeah the the sons of Tonga I think is what their name is now I watch the I watch the the big

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[SPEAKER_00]: long interview segment on this week.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like I mean, I've only seen them once.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I don't know if it's a permanent thing, but the way they presented it, it's just seemed like it was more than just for one shot.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like they did this big dramatic reveal and he was there and then he called them the sons of Tonga.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I assume that's going to be their name.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, but, you know, so he, I mean, he's solo.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He's by himself, you know, so now we need, you know, now he's got friends.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He's got keys and he's got all the keys is out.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, he's who got his ass kicked.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And, and then night.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So, and night is needs help.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So, I guess, you know, they're, you know, the friend of my friend is by the enemy of my enemy is my friend.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, and so yeah, I mean, I don't think this part pairing is long, but in terms of the bloodline, yeah, I mean,

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[SPEAKER_01]: And it almost seems like Roman doesn't even want to deal with this shit, like it's like, I, you do you, and I'll take care of my own business is almost his attitude.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, the story from from night last night, though, was Summerslam was the one ideal.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, where we are not doing this thing together.

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[SPEAKER_00]: or solo doesn't understand that it's not, it's not him, it's LA.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like there's some sort of thing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's not me, it's you.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So that's the part where I'm just like, okay, why are we so stuck in the mud with this storyline?

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I think the answer is, it's because a far ways away from war games, which is gonna be summer slam, which is probably where survivors should be.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, survivors, which is probably where,

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[SPEAKER_00]: Some, some of this is going to pay off, but I'm just watching this thing going like who still cares about the bloodline like obviously you want to go back three years it was you know, it was the mega powers of its day when it comes to stories that actually made money for the company like that they're selling merch sure Jay still gets the the eat pop

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[SPEAKER_00]: uh... solo is a bit of a standup comedian out there uh... you know romans always going to be roman i just don't know if the bloodline story line itself is even worth it like i i posted on twitter today i was like

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know what ending we're in, but the bases are loaded and the closer needs to come in because this thing is long in the tooth.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I, I feel like the only thing they got left is for Jacob to turn on Roman and it's too soon to do that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So they're probably they're just trend water until they think it's time for that, but I don't even know when that'll happen because Romans big matches Oba.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So if he if he churns before the open match, then it's just going to be like a one shot deal for some random pay per view and and and we've already seen it twice this year.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So they probably need to go like another year and like that's way too long.

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[SPEAKER_01]: All right, well, we're probably getting Zilla, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's awesome.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I would think, but I don't think he's going to last, I mean, who knows.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But the, I mean, I'll say this.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like I've seen him and I was super impressed.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But everything I've heard is he's a headache to deal with.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Now, people say that about Jacob before he got there.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So, you know, who knows?

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know where I saw Zilla.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The only time I've ever seen Zilla.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Was that Wallet Mania, they gave him a live mic and they just kind of let him was a Ironcrout.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Was he charismatic?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Somewhat, I guess.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I've never heard him speak.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I've only seen him wrestle and he's spectacular.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like he's like he does moves that you don't see Simone's do.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, you know, so, you know, and again, this was a couple years.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I haven't seen him in a couple years.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Actually, the last time I saw him, he was with Enzo.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I can't remember who else I think it was in T&A.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Good guy to hang out with, I guess.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I guess.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But it was in T&A and they were doing some gimmick where like, Enzo had his own company or something.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And they were like treated as if they were working with T&A.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And it was like, they were on like two or three shows and then they were gone.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I don't exactly know what that was all about.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But, and then yeah, and I saw him on a few GCW shows.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And other than that, he's been kind of off my radar a little bit.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mentioned Survivor Series because there is a natural, yeah, you know, my team versus your team kind of thing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Now, I don't imagine the bloodline is actually going to go away.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's going to be in Romans back pocket, still sells merchandise.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's still meaningful to the fan base,

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[SPEAKER_00]: in quicksand.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It feels like it feels like the further that they try and tell the current story that they're telling.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's just labor and labor and labor and labor and like you said they can't really turn Jake up because they already beat him.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They've been beating keys a lot.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So it's not like he's a next threat.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And as I've mentioned on this show, Elinite is a midcarder to upper

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, maybe he needs the Pete Roman in a non-title match or something, because I have no thought in my head that he's going to win that match.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So whenever they do it or at the very least, you know, they do a six-man or something and he pins J or even Roman, you know, in a match like that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then, you know, at least it's got a little bit of juice, but yeah, nobody's buying LA night.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He's not.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And even a couple of years ago, when he wrestled, I think he wrestled Roman, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: and people wanted him to win, but I don't think anyone really thought he would, and now I don't even think they particularly even want it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They just kind of want this to be over and have, let's get to Roman and Oba.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like that's what everybody wants to see.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And even getting to Roman in Oba next year, yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They're doing something with Braun, which is kind of, it's kind of weird to me because in my mind,

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think and not necessarily with the best of the booking is supposed to be.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But in my mind, you keep Oba and Braun on opposite sides of the roster and you kind of build them up similarly.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You don't have to build them up exactly.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But they should be the up-and-coming world beaters.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then three years down the line, then they finally have a feud.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I don't know why we're doing it right now.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And they did this.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And Triple H was around.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He should know.

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[SPEAKER_01]: when they were both coming up at the same time.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They kept them on different brands and even when one switched the other one switched to.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And they kept them apart until they finally wrestled.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then it was a big deal when they actually wrestled.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Because it was two guys that had come up at the same time.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And that's kind of what this is.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Braun and Oba, like, I guess Oba is a little bit behind Braun.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So they never really crossed paths and NXT.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think they may have had one match or something.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, you know, and now they're now what was kind of past him, but I mean, it's not like they can't heat brown up like they got to move him to Smackdown.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so the storyline between Brock and Oba, Brock doesn't like Oba, because Paul Hayman respects Oba, you mean, Braun, Braun, Brock, you said, Brock, I just want to make sure.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And they have, um,

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[SPEAKER_00]: that kind of set it in stone that Paul Hayman was like, you beat Brock Lesnar, you're good in my book, kind of thing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Does Braun Breger need to beat Brock Lesnar to make it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe, hey, you know what, that's not, you know what, maybe, I mean, this is wild and wacky, but maybe they do a thing where like Braun shows up to Brock's farm, you know, and like just, you know, calls ass on him or something, but beat up his kid, you know, like, I think his kids in adult, like, you know, you could do something like that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I've broken Reina been married that long.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you know what actually the girl the Maya is older.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think she's in she's in college or after the boys are in junior hockey.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I think the oldest one is 17 or 18 because they're both they both got drafted in the last couple years into the WHO, which is

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[SPEAKER_01]: A couple steps flow the NHL, but it's usually a pretty good, you know, like guys go from there to the NHL all the time.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So, or they're not necessarily directly, but they'll go to the the minor the HL and then from the HL to the NHL.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then, it sounds like Bron Breaker, Bron Breaker.

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[SPEAKER_00]: needs to challenge over in some way.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And it's all about earning the respective Paul Hayman or earning the favor of Paul Hayman.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm just like, yeah, okay.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So by the way, I'm not a, I'm not somebody who is easily persuaded by resting storylines.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to guess that Paul Hayman is going to use Braunbreaker to

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[SPEAKER_00]: gold oba into thinking that he's safe or something right like they're going to turn on him at some point.

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[SPEAKER_00]: but I don't like the storytelling of in order to get there to make Braun Brickard look softer or less important in getting there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Because that's what he's been these last several months.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's just been an unimportant character.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's playing second fiddle to Austin Theory and Maxine.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And he's playing second fiddle to Logan Paul who can't even wrestle.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I see the long-term plan.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I just do not like the way that they're getting there.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and I mean, and it's funny thing is that I kind of always just figured maybe it's just Paul wines get his tentacles into Oba, you know, kind of like how he did with Brock originally, but it could also, yeah, as you say, be a swerve, and it's really all about Braun, because he's been tied to Braun, like really sins NXT.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like they did that, they did a segment, remember a few years ago when the Undertaker showed up, I think, and I think Paul Hayman was involved in that at the time,

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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, so, you know, this isn't like a new thing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So Jeremy has an idea.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's not a bad idea, actually.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Jeremy says, uh, Jeremy, the host of Speaking of Strong Style says, maybe I'm crazy, but a bloodline being built up so that Oba has an army to conquer before Roman seems like the soundway to keep those guys apart.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, I like that idea.

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[SPEAKER_00]: If

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[SPEAKER_00]: We had any faith in J. Uso or Jimmy Uso as a solo as a wrestler.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I could see the Jacob thing though.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I could see Jacob in Oba as a big feud right before WrestleMania.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I like that piece of it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But at this point, J and Jimmy are just kind of like, you know,

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[SPEAKER_00]: But I don't think fans necessarily buy him as this, like he's around the same level as Illinois night, I think.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But I like the Jacob thing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, all right, what do you think about solos new character of the funny guy and I get to kick out of it?

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I've been kind of entertained by him gosh,

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[SPEAKER_01]: Almost a year now like where he's he's just kind of come out of his shell like he started that new bloodline thing and then you know it just kind of wasn't working and I think he sent that and so he kind of changed a little bit and he's become more and more.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, from what I gather and what I've heard, it's his real personality coming through.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So, you know, he's, you know, and there's little things that he does, like, he will always refer to the general manager.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He never says their first name.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's always missed or all this misrepairs.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know what it is.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I get a kick out of it, like he just, and he's not doing it disingenuously.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's like he actually, for some reason, respects these guys.

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[SPEAKER_01]: you know and and and yeah he's I don't know he's he's a naturally funny guy so I'm into it but again in a sense that I'm entertained watching it but if I try to think about where it's going and how's this gonna draw money then yeah no it's just it's for my own personal entertainment that's all.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I think that's what's going on in WWE.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think somebody there, maybe hunter, maybe somebody else.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think they're just entertained by this guy.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And they just keep, yeah, you do you.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And you know, you're getting over, you know?

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[SPEAKER_00]: I just, you know what I see when I see this character.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Do you remember when the big show just started doing

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[SPEAKER_00]: his mimicry of all the top stars when he would come out like he would come out like oh yeah yeah yeah yeah then it'd come out like Kurt Angle or whatever and it would the same idea was like the big show's actually a really funny dude and and then he would do it and do it and then he was still keep losing all these matches and so then it would lose the the luster I sort of feel it's maybe not as bad because the big show was a little

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[SPEAKER_00]: But unless solo wins the matches, I'm not even going to really pay attention because the funny guy is great, but the funny guy is the midcard guy.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And until he wins matches, I'm not going to really take him seriously.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm entertained too.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like I think he's genuinely funny and has a really strong personality.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But.

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[SPEAKER_00]: like, in the whole, it's kind of like one of those things where you're like, not going to fall for this because WWE kind of does this sometimes.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, all, you know, this person's getting over will use them, use them, use them, and then when we feel like they're done, like, then we'll just keep beating them and it's like, no, I'm not going to fall for that one.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You got to push him.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's almost like a male version of a Chelsea green.

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[SPEAKER_00]: like in a way like I mean not a little bit more credibility, but but not even as good of an act as Chelsea's act because Chelsea's got one of the best midcard acts of all time.

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[SPEAKER_00]: No better wrestler, but yeah, yeah, barely, I guess, but maybe maybe it's almost better Chelsea.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I, but not like by worlds like if you're if you're comparing against the mean in in the men's versus Chelsea, I mean, yeah, I'm not that much better than her.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's hard to say.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think solo is pretty good, but, you know, it's never really has a chance to show it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And you could say the same thing about Chelsea, actually.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Alright, let's switch over to AEW.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We'll come back to you.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, WWE at the end here.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Uh, you and I had the same thought with the grand slam dynamite made event.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I was just watching this match going like, this guy supposed to be in the bics match of the year in a month and they're having him take pile drivers on top of his head like, what are they doing?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, and in thrown down stairs, like I had this thought, like, it's like, okay, in storyline.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Why would Tony con the promoter?

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[SPEAKER_01]: put one half of his Wembley main event in a street Mexican street fight three weeks before Wembley against the guy that put him out in a regular match.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Why would he do this?

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[SPEAKER_01]: What's the upside?

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's in storyline.

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[SPEAKER_01]: In real life, why would Tony Conn?

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[SPEAKER_01]: But what half of his Wembley man event in a Mexican street fight and have him do all this crazy shit?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, obviously, in real life, you could book it so that he's not gonna get put out.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But I mean, the damn, like the potential for injury

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[SPEAKER_01]: like these guys are good but anything and happen and man like I wouldn't do it and then you you know can you make it meanwhile he's just sitting at home in Jacksonville and yeah you do you I'll I'll see you at Wembley you know if you want me kind of promo okay cool I'm not going to Mexico but if you want to send me to Vegas y'all I'll come to Vegas and kind of fall but

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I mean, I mean, and get granted, I wasn't expecting Kenny to wrestle in Mexico, but he could have shown up and kind of promo or something done commentary on the main event.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We kind of weird that he wasn't there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And they put him on the poster.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They took MJ off the poster when they, when they, when he, when he, when he lost the title, they changed all the posters.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And they put Kenny Omega front and center.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Two years in a row, they put Kenny on the poster for the grandson of Mexico, and two years in row, he wasn't there.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, because I have a friend that flew down there.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Now, he didn't go down there just as he can, but he was expecting to see Kenny and he was kind of pissed off that he didn't.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So, you know, he was more happy that he got CMGF and he wasn't expecting to.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So, there was that at least.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He and Kenny are obviously going to tear down the house, but getting there should not be, yeah, this crazy, I guess, I've seen real life Mexican street fights downtown San Jose, that was no Mexican street fight.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There were no.

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[SPEAKER_00]: tank tops, white tank tops.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't want to use the term that that is normally used.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I know.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There were no Pendleton, but no shirts, you might see a Slopjack or two.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I didn't hear any cursing and Spanish about people's moms.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So that was no Mexican street fight.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Do their buddies just stay away or do they actually get involved?

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[SPEAKER_01]: I actually think that in a Mexican street fight, if you said, no, I want to handle this mono-emano.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Your buddies are staying are going to stay back.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They're going to respect it unless they believe the other side is taking shots.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Let unfair.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, take it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like you can take a beating as long as it's a fair fight.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, especially if the guy who's in the fight says.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I want to do this.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So that part of it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think actually makes sense.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think our friend Brian made a little bit too much about the fact that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, stay away until you're by the.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The girls said people say went to your buddies and see, you don't you don't know the problem with Brian is.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's only half Mexican, that's why.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He only got half of it right, but I'm only half Mexican too.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, I don't know Mexican, but I still.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, you know, I'm with you though, like, I hope.

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[SPEAKER_00]: that that's kind of the last really, really hard hard match that he's got to do before there's there's six shows between now and Wembley on six TV shows.

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[SPEAKER_01]: How many matches do you think?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Let's keep these dude in tags, man.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't want to just keep them in promos.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't want to, I don't need to see him wrestle one more time.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like in my eye, I know he's going to, but I don't know.

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[SPEAKER_00]: What if what if he's got to beat up a Wheeler Udo or Danny Garcia?

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm

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[SPEAKER_01]: I guess, but I don't even really see the point to that because he's not really focused on the death drives right now.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I suppose you could do like maybe they do Omega Osprey against like Moxley and Wheeler or something.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You could do that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But Moxley's tied up with this goofy tournament, so I shouldn't say goofy.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's disrespectful.

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[SPEAKER_01]: but he's tied up with this tournament, which if you watch Collision, they call that thing about six different names.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The cup versus the, it was the Continental Challenge Cup, the classic Challenge, the Continental Classic Cup, I mean, when we were doing our show last week, yeah, it was like tripping over the name because they call it the Challenge Cup, I think, on the website.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and even on the graphic on collision that that was new.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't and to me a challenge cup is like you can just challenge for it, but that's not what this is.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I don't know it's obviously got something to do with whatever this is based on in in soccer.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So, but I just just all took a few things and I thought.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Why, why couldn't they have just called it the Turner Cup and had it be for the TNT title?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like that to me that would have been great, especially to honor Ted Turner who just passed away.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But, well, because they want to have clean matches.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So just make a rule that there's clean matches.

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[SPEAKER_01]: you know what I mean like and then Tony's gonna have to hear from social media if you could make a tournament with only clean matches you can do all of your matches only clean matches you can already say that like you made you just made a street fight with no with no interference why can't you do that in every match I don't I don't know because you need some storytelling vehicles and not only that but why would you need to have no interference like you could just say it I mean technically there's no interference allowed in any match

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[SPEAKER_00]: technically, I mean, you know, you, oh, yeah, if you're getting this kelp, this qualified, they should they should call it the match in which the referee does not have to look like an idiot, but then that didn't even happen because the referee had to pull Mark Davis in the up for the crap.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, that was another one that they argued about because it was like, no, no, no, it was a count up spot.

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[SPEAKER_01]: No, it was a knockout spot is like, yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: somebody screwed up.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think honestly, I think what I think happened was the referee was was counting it like it was a count out because he forgot that it was a street fight.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then Mark Davis was thinking it was a count out spot and he's in Mexico and then, you know, they realized, oh, got to get in the ring.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So you got in the ring, but you all all you have to do is stand up.

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[SPEAKER_01]: like once he stood up the counts over so but but he was thinking count out so I better get in the rain so yeah it was just weird and I'm sure these guys do you know I remember Cactus Jack having him this match in ECW where he kept forgetting the rules because I think he was concussed and it was like him and Sandman and uh or no Sandman it was against Cactus Jack but it was Sandman who kept forgetting the rules because

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[SPEAKER_01]: And yeah, so it wasn't quite that, but I better do think in the spirit of the moment, you just forget.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So, but I mean, it's helped match.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It was, it was too much for me, but by that almost three hour mark, I was like.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm already 30 minutes into being to having the wall.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I hit it at like the 220 mark and 30 minutes later, I'm still watching it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then imagine having to do a podcast right after that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, I don't.

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[SPEAKER_00]: M.J.F.

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[SPEAKER_00]: showed up.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I did.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He sure did.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We've been debating.

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[SPEAKER_00]: how hurt he is.

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[SPEAKER_00]: What kind of what is he going to do at the paper view?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Is it going to be hangman?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Is it going to be on draw day?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Is it going to be something else?

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm still not sure exactly.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I guess he's in this gauntlet match.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, if he wins tomorrow night, he is who does he face tomorrow?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Nick Wayne and Jack Perry.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So, I mean, he could, I mean, Nick Wayne could be Jack Perry and then MJF doesn't advance, but I mean, I think we're to believe so Jack Perry, oh yeah, go, didn't he just have a match with Moxley?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: In a tournament, uh, yeah, and now he's in another quality.

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[SPEAKER_00]: No, no, no, no.

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[SPEAKER_01]: No, that wasn't.

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[SPEAKER_01]: No, wait a minute.

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[SPEAKER_01]: No, it wasn't an tournament.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Uh, that was for the cup.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Wasn't it?

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[SPEAKER_00]: No, that's coming up.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, wait a minute.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Hang on.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I did we get some matches.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Hang on.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You might be like, no, you might be right.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Hang on.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Uh, it might be Nick way in one on one, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Definitely not one on one.

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[SPEAKER_01]: No, uh, I got the card here.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Hang on.

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[SPEAKER_01]: No, Jay Jack Perry is wrestling John Moth.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's Nick Wayne and Mike Bailey in the three weeks.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, sorry, my bad, my bad.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, actually, that putting Mike Bailey in that match improves it a lot.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and Mike Bailey could beat Nick Wayne, you know, and then, and then, and Jeff is out.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then, you know, then what's, I got no path to all in.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, I am flumixed as to how the guy who I consider to be

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[SPEAKER_00]: of maybe all of wrestling.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I had to think about it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I agree, I agree.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And MJF in 2026, how he doesn't really have a program yet and we're, we're what, three weeks away from all in three and a half weeks away or whatever it is.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, how can that, that, that doesn't, and maybe some of this is just injuries.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They didn't know when he's gonna be ready, whatever this is planned be, whatever it is.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It just feels,

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[SPEAKER_00]: off to me.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that he's like been he was the big the the the big superstar for the first half of the year and now he's kind of in this like side quest.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, I think most people, like when you're watching and you're trying to put these things together logically in your head and you're seeing okay, how are things going to play out?

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[SPEAKER_01]: When it looked like Moxley or sorry, MJF was going to lose his title to Osprey and we figured it was going to be the paper view.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Obviously, this is before they moved it to TV.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Everyone figured Hangman's going to show up.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He's going to cost MJF the title and then boom, you got you got Osprey

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[SPEAKER_01]: or Osprey and Kenny at the paper view and you got mjf and hangman.

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[SPEAKER_01]: There's four your top stars, all tied up matches that people are going to be into.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Hangman returned, so that's okay.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, we're going to get, and then all of a sudden, oh, now mjf matches moved.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Hangman is doing a trio's match and mjf's in a gauntlet and and and swirv the guy who's been kind of involved with all these guys.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He's nowhere around.

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[SPEAKER_01]: and it's like, okay, what is going on with all these top guys?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, and, and yeah, so I think the program for MJF is actually Osprey and, and that'll be after all in.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I, but Osprey is going to have moxley at some point.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, at some point, probably final battle or whatever that last show is,

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think they could they could stretch that out towards end, although world end is usually the continental classic finals, so unless Moxie loses the title before then, which he could, I mean, he could, I said people thinking he was going to actually lose to Jack Perry, and then in this cup, yeah, and then all of a sudden he's got no path to all.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, he could lose the finals and all in if he really could lose.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But for the finals and then maybe you do like him and him and Pock and Claudio or something against the good bad in the ugly.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, help a trio's title match.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, you can do that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I hate that this trio's title or that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not going to say I hate it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's weird to me, and this is because ever since I was I've been watching wrestling trios wrestling has always been Yeah, midcard or below in in America.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So whenever I see main of enters in it, my instinct is like, oh, why are they doing that, but I have to.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, this is not how it's always been.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean, I remember a few years back, they did that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It was at Luchibros and Pock.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They were the death triangle against the elite.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And they had that best of seven series where they were just killing it like two months matches.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I love those matches, but those matches had.

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[SPEAKER_00]: the most interference with weapons that didn't make any sort of awkward as hell outside of killing people.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's what I hated about those matches.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, so when I'm when I'm a kid, obviously I'm reading the magazines and freebirds are like six man champions in the Von Erick, so the six man champions are like, okay, like, that's that that's like big time stuff.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then I've to watch WCW and it'd be like

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[SPEAKER_00]: Ricky Morton and Tommy Rich is the six main champ.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The one I think of is like a bad street, which was like that master wrestler and Tim Horner and Brad Armstrong or something, you know?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, and those were, I'm sure that was a six when I take champ at one point.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That that bad street was Brad Armstrong.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, maybe it can be somebody else and Kendall wind of maybe like those are the kind of guys.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that you would see in that and yeah, I don't remember.

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[SPEAKER_00]: WWE or Gaby WF ever really having that many six man.

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[SPEAKER_00]: No, I mean different Russell at WrestleMania.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They'd put like two baby faces together with another baby face and then.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He has the biggest one show.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The one I remember is the hearts and again, it was like, it was the three guys that had been screwed.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But it was a hearts and Danny Davis against Tito and the Bulldogs, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Was it Tito?

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'd been Tito.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think it was Tito because Tito had been screwed by Danny Davis in that Matt.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You were just talking about that that match Where that was the start of the Danny Davis heel turn.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They they were doing some long-term story telling back later when when when the Macho man hit Tito with the gimmick to win the end of that it was Danny Davis was Danny Davis for the referee.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah That was the start of it and they they didn't pay that off for like a year and then he was the ref in the Bulldogs title changed to

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[SPEAKER_01]: And where he made like he made dynamite kid wrestling, I remember.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, and then he then he started getting more blatant, you know, over it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, I'm almost positive that Danny Davis was the referee of that Savage Santana match.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know what I think about it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Danny Davis was one of the greatest chicken S heels ever.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And you know what I when Vince Russo started wrestling, I bet you he studied Danny Davis tapes because he tried to be that chicken S heel.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He just was not that good at it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, one and he didn't have like Danny Davis was a train wrestler and we're so was not that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, we just wanted to wear giant jerseys which pissed me off.

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[SPEAKER_00]: No end.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Was he from the area or was he doing it for he?

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[SPEAKER_01]: No, he was just a giant fan.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, okay.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like lived in Colorado or something.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know how.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think it probably started with like the New York Giants when he was a kid.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's not that old though.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, the giants would have been here in the late, late 50s.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's not that old.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Unless he's just like, you know, a fan of the New York giants football and baseball, you know, because yeah, could be who knows.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Nusher.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So personally, and I've been on record as saying, I did want to see MJF and Hangman.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I imagine they'll eventually get there at some point.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It just seemed like this is your biggest show with a year and trying to do the most buy rate, the biggest buy rate of maybe in your company's history, which I don't think they'll get there, but this would have been a match that I would put on a card if I'm trying to do the biggest buy rate, but maybe we'll get it at all out or revelations.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Revolutions usually a big show, so we could do it there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: if they hold it off that long.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know if I would hold it off though.

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[SPEAKER_00]: These guys get hurt so often.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, they need to have a storyline reason to do it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I know you don't you don't need to.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, like you've said, you just put these two in the ring against each other in the crowds.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to go nuts.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But right now, MJF's, the character has no reason to want a fight hangman.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So you got to have the hangman give him a reason to want him.

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[SPEAKER_01]: and Hank Hangman could just call him a name and yeah oh yeah that seems to get to MVF all the time.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Say you're you're you know you uh you're not the best Jewish rest there Coca-Bana was and oh that's fighting words that's like the old uh

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[SPEAKER_00]: Terry Funkin and Mick Foley storyline.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh yeah, and when Terry Funk's like, your wife's a whore, your mother's a whore, your son's a whore, Eric Bishoff's a whore, and then mankind, like, yeah, I got all mad.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Don't talk about Eric Bishoff.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I think they made comedy about that later on when it was McMahon when he was doing the corporate corporate foley thing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, corporate man.

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[SPEAKER_01]: All right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so, you know, this the show is I was just looking at I was like looking at my Sundays coming up and I'm like, man, all in this is yeah around the corner three weeks three three three three more dynamics three more collisions.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So it's I'm excited now my worry.

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[SPEAKER_00]: is that because it is going to be early that we're going to get like the longest AW show of all.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think that's a given on my issues.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think I'm doing stuff that weekend.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I don't even know what the house is going to happen.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And that's a huge weekend.

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[SPEAKER_01]: There's like kind of shows like his WW is running a couple of them and I think there's something else too.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, and I think I'm I think we're going to wear something like I can't even remember, but there's something going on that weekend.

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[SPEAKER_00]: All right, let's end this.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I know you wanted to talk a little bit about the SmackDown in the main end scene.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I just, I was watching it, and you know, and for the longest time, SmackDown just kind of felt like a nothing show, like even moving to two hours, it's a lot easier to watch, but it also just felt like a show that you could easily skip.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And this week, like all of a sudden, like with the returns of Randy Orton and Kevin Owens, you know, and they're right in the top fused, there's a lot going on and they're all kind of intertwined, and it's all really interesting and kind of new, even though it's not new guys, but the programs, even Cody and Randy, which, you know, that was the WrestleMania program, but the segment they did on Friday,

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[SPEAKER_01]: was way better than anything they've done.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They did leading up to Mani.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Obviously, with no pat McAfee, it's, you know, a dish and by subtraction, but it feels more real, and obviously it's not real, but heated, you know, then it was going back then, it was just like, you know, we're doing this match because it's Randy Orton, but now it's like, oh, you actually, there's something that happened here.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think Cody's churning at some point and not that far away, and that's what we're heading to.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, I still am not buying the Randy Orton thing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, and it's just because I don't really care about the match.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like I care about the story, I care about if they decide to tell a good story, but when they get in the ring, if what we saw at WrestleMania is kind of the, the way things are going to go.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm out like I don't and I don't know if that means maybe Randy Orton can't do the old Randy Orton which is fine.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He is older that he I mean he looks incredible but he was hurt going into that match right like we figured that out after the fact there was something going on with the back But at his age there's always going to be something but I mean hopefully that won't be the case this time

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[SPEAKER_00]: But do you, and the other thing is this is WWE.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So what we think of as the best possible match that we're gonna see, they usually go, eh, we're gonna give you the average match that you think you're gonna see.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like that's been how it is, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: So,

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[SPEAKER_00]: What is, like, do you believe Randy Orton and Cody Rhodes can have that match, maybe you got to do a little bit more smoke and mirrors with some blood and and some, you know, more of the Gaga stuff to do it because I know Cody, I know Cody has it and we've seen, yeah, great stuff with Cody, I'm just I'm just not sure that we're going to get that with Randy, I think with WWE like I'm not really thinking about the match as much as I am thinking about everything to build to the match.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And sometimes I try to feel that way about a W as well and then I just kind of give up and say, well, the match will be good.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, whereas here it's more like I'm more interested in the story than once we get to the paper view or the PLE, I'm just like, okay, you know, like whatever happens happens.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think it's more about the result as opposed to the actual match.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Sometimes the matches are good.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Sometimes they're not, but if the build to the matches was good, then I'm usually relatively satisfied.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And in the past few years, like, sometimes their build is not been great.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like I remember.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's not this recipe, but last year's WrestleMania.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I remember where the build was just awful.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then, you know, didn't matter how the matches were.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The build wasn't great.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So we didn't really care that much about Mania going in.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then the cards weren't that great either.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So, you know, it's kind of bad.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And that's kind of when this downhill thing started a little bit, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like last year's Mania.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, so this year, the build was better, the matches were hit miss, um, and now like I feel like the builds, you know, sometimes have been pretty good and with SmackDown right now, I've just, I've heard of it, like I said, I'm a little bit more interested in what's going on and you even got Sami's doing some good stuff, you know, in on the periphery of all of it and

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, trick is, you know, he's kind of taking a backseat a little bit, but, you know, he's not really a main event or right now.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So that I guess that's fine.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So what do you think we're getting out of Kevin Owens and CM Punk is CM Punk?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Because we had we had this discussion and this was me, not you by the way.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Or I was like, man, just athletically, this dude is washed and I had someone reach out to me who had listened to something else I said and they're like,

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's never been a good athlete and I'm like, yeah, I know, but still he could make things dramatically look fine and look like a fight in some ways and I just don't see that from him anymore.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I see him as like a really, really bad athlete kind of faking his way through some things, but again, the stage presence, the promos, the kind of the smartness around the rain like those things are there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I just don't see the movement.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean, I don't want to sound like I'm making excuses and I, you know, and I kind of am a little bit.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think some of that is just it's a form of storytelling that he's doing, but but also I mean you can't like some of it is just he's just not in the right spot at the right time and he doesn't have the movement like you said so like you know not being able to take a crossroads properly that's not storytelling that's, you know, and missing a moon salt as badly as he did like.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Dude, just don't do the moon salt.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I could see the overshooting of the elbow that part of it that one I could see You know him to actually for whatever reason doing that on purpose Because he flew like you know, and if anything he was gonna come up short if it was you know about the athleticism So you know that one I kind of bought but

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but again, for me, I think for these guys, and I think I said it last week, the match itself should be pretty good because it'll be the style that Kevin Owens works is something that

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[SPEAKER_00]: like a double count out, like they're wrestling in Toronto in two weeks, the 21st, so that should be a good test to see as far as the ratings are concerned for that, because you don't, you know, I mean, we saw it with Cody and Drew not that long ago, but title match on TV's should be a title match was some build between two big stars.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, or well, one big star.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know how big a star Kevin Owen is, but I guess we'll find out.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, feels, feels maybe bigger than he's been in.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, at a long time.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Absolutely.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Absolutely, yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I've been seeing him a lot because he's on a lot of the other show.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, not a lot, but he's on, he's on LFG all the time.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And he's great on that show, by the way.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, he gives the best advice to these youngsters.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And they take it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, it's so funny because I'll see him saying something to Nikita Lyons.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then I watch her on NXT.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And it's like, she's doing exactly what Kevin Owens told her to do on LFG.

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[SPEAKER_01]: and and like I don't think that that's story line.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think that that part of it is actually, you know, somewhat real like she's taking the advice that she's been given and and she's improved her spot and and there's other people too, you know, I told the last time he's there was that one guy that missed a moon salt and I thought it was just funny that it was the same week that

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[SPEAKER_01]: something about he was telling people to play to the back of their room and this is like even if you're wrestling in front of 20 people pretend that you're wrestling in Madison Square Garden and you know and then I saw that the person that he was talking to the next time I can't remember who it was but they were doing that so you know good for him and then then so

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I'm I'm excited to post the like look around and like trying to see far up in the Yeah, I'm intrigued with with what they do with KO.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, my worry is

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[SPEAKER_00]: they're not going to take advantage of how hot he is because they don't want to be punk because punk just got the title.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and it's in Canada.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So, you know, they do like to screw people in their home country sometimes.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like if you want to catch fire, even if it's for like a month, I feel like you should change the title, but I don't sense that they will.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Do you think there's anything to the fact that they're doing this like a week before

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[SPEAKER_01]: probably just a coincidence, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm sure.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, it's good booking for one, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's great booking.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think Sam is probably going to get involved.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And if it's on television, yeah, you're going to get away with the angle more so than you would with a PLE, but they don't even seem to care about that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe the end then maybe they set up like a three way at

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[SPEAKER_00]: that is old booking that doesn't really work as well because I think the current wrestling fan of today is like the three ways the cheap way out like we want to see the one on one okay like it be and it's only because they've overdone it so much and you get the similar finish to those three ways where it you you you just automatically feel like

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's a three way so that we get it so that some family can take a pin and then we can do a rematch with Kevin right Kevin on the pump yeah right so.

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[SPEAKER_00]: All right, is there anything else I know we got dynamite coming up.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah dynamite tomorrow should be big show the continental cup continues.

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[SPEAKER_01]: can you to who won the the collision.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So it's Claudio beat Ace Austin.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Eddie Kingston beat Jake Doyle, which is probably the only one that, you know, either guy could have won.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Was it a good match though?

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[SPEAKER_00]: It was okay.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, the weakest of the three in fine.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, you know, it wasn't great.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It wasn't his best match.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He didn't look bad.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's just he's

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[SPEAKER_01]: Not as good as he used to be, that's all, like, just so beat up.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And Orange Cassidy beat Matt Sidel.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So all three of those guys advance.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So it seems like I'm sure the blind draw is going to end up with Claudio facing Eddie in the next round.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And Orange Cassidy probably facing whoever wins out of Kyle O'Reilly and, uh, and, uh, Roddy strong.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Just the random draw of it all.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And, uh, how did, uh, how did Sidel look?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Uh, he's fine.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like he's good.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like I've been seeing him on Ring of Honor, too.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And, you know, he's he's Matt Sidel.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like he's the problem with Matt Sidel is like 20, 15, 20 years ago.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like he was spectacular.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And now that's all I was about to say is he was born 20 years to earth.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The problem is is like you had ace Austin on the same show.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And ace Austin can do everything Matt Sidel does and he looks way better.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So, you know, it's like, what do we need Matt Sidel for?

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[SPEAKER_01]: And yeah, it was, it was a weird match.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm sure I saw that match in Ring of Honor, when Orange Cassie had long hair, and Matt Sidel was actually somebody that wasn't a charitablee of mid-carter, and more realistically, a pre-lim guy.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, but yeah, so we got, yeah, John Moxley and Jack Perry, J.

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[SPEAKER_01]: White, David Finley, Brian Cage had to Sarah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, that's on collision.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So, and just Sarah just won that grand preview.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, he did.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So it gets maybe that's why he's been taking all those pins.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then Kevin Knight and Chris Jericho for the TNT title and MJF, Nick Wayne and Speedball for the number one entry entry in the Xenocomot.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Speaking of Chris Jericho, I think he's coming on with me and Dave this weekend.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, nice.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I have a question.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I want you to ask him.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I'll ask you off air.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I might have heard.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, you could just end me in email.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, he's got.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So he's got the documentary on that that is on Amazon right now that I think he produced it or something.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and he's also doing dark side.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, of course he's doing the narration and the renegade is was last week's episode.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then tonight is the Paul Orndorf episode, just the one.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm, you know, Paul Orndorf in Missy.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Hi, those are the two that I've been most looking forward to.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, Paul Orndorf, man, that's that's that's my guy.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's my time.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I'm looking forward to both of those.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So, you know, it'll be fun to talk to Chris Chris's Chris's.

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[SPEAKER_00]: you know, he's kind of, he's always like in the know of where wrestling is kind of going like even though he's the old guy now, he's still so insightful and so forward thinking about wrestling and so it's always fun to talk to him.

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[SPEAKER_00]: All right, so that'll be it for here.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We'll be back next week.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I am pretty sure.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I think my schedule is pretty clean.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So we'll be back next week.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Probably not as early as as we were this week.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Hopefully Paul gets his date night with his wife next year.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, my sister is coming in town too.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So we might actually be doing something with her.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Cool.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Cool.

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[SPEAKER_00]: All right, that is it from here.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So for Paul, I am double G. Thanks to the folks in the chat.

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[SPEAKER_00]: My good friends, Jeremy and Miguel and Aunt, our buddy, Aunt, and of course, Kreehead came in at the end there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's also of the opinion that we need.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We need more one on one matches.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Absolutely.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, that is it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So for Paul, I am double G. We will see you when we see you