Gunther's Booking, Night of Champions & Forbidden Door Preview | Takedown

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[SPEAKER_01]: welcome back to takedown.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Now these next two episodes more than likely aren't going to be live stream to this one obviously not live stream.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's just a schedule thing for me for these next couple of weeks.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So we will try and get back on that fight game after dark schedule that we were on.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But for now, these will just be up as premieres on YouTube and then obviously audio

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[SPEAKER_01]: Let's not as big for me as for you, though, because I'm not watching NXT.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not watching TNA.

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[SPEAKER_00]: What about you're going to watch the class or whatever that shows called the nighty champions?

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm definitely sure that I'll get to it at some point.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know all of the plans for Saturday.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, I have some plans that aren't really locked in yet for people coming into town and getting lunch and

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[SPEAKER_01]: other folks who are already local who just want to get out and hang out.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So there's some of that that is going on, but nothing locked in yet.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But that show was on so early.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I imagine I'll see probably at least half of it, you know, at least on Saturday, even if I'm super duper busy.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and there's also UFC and it's it's also early um they're I think they're I can't I can never pronounce the name of the country, but as Becca Stanton or something like that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So there yeah, I think I'm actually the way things are lining up.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think I'll actually watch all the shows this weekend like I won't be behind.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'll probably be watching the AW show pretty close to live.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Hmm.

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[SPEAKER_00]: If if.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So, and this is going to be the first.

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[SPEAKER_01]: AEW show that I've actually technically got a credential for, I think.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, I mean, technically, I think we got credentialed for that collision taping in Vegas.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, but there was no like press conference or no, no, no, no, no, no, and again, I don't know if that was credential or comp.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's like friends and family, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I don't know what they would be family, but I mean, we were in a row with a bunch of people that were also, you know, like us, that cover per wrestling.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So, it may have been friends, like, because usually when usually they don't put press in as good as seats as we got.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that's for that show.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, we got to and we got to see Tana as she that day.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, we did.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We did and up front and close with Mariah May and we'll watch these kids and yeah, they were a they were a fire daughter.

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[SPEAKER_01]: She loves loves the Holler and and as part of the audience.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So the like the reason why I mentioned about covering a W's because

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[SPEAKER_01]: Historically, I've always just wanted to buy tickets with my friends, hang out that way.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then when this show came to San Jose, I thought, okay, you know, doing this show and doing the whole experience with Dave and I took, I mean, took a day at the day off before the weekend, Friday, just in case, like he wanted, he had, you know, other people coming in the town.

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[SPEAKER_01]: At this point, I don't know that we're even going to like at least we're not going to have anything scheduled because I think schedules are kind of funky with the people that he wanted to talk to this weekend so it may not be easy to do so and then with Mick Foley not being in town like that would have been a cool one to do we've talked I've, you know, we've talked him before but it was a short time after Dominic and she's passing and you know we got to hang out with him in his green room at the comedy show but that would have been a fun one because you know I'm I'm really interested to hear like

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, he's he's got a pretty lucrative standup comedy business that he's kind of allowing to be cut into so he's I'm sure he's getting paid a decent amount to do that I would imagine Tony is the kind of guy that'll try to let him do as much of that as he can and be able to do both so it'll just be a matter of him scheduling his performances for different dates, you know, hopefully for him hopefully you can make it both workers and he really enjoys doing that too.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, and when it comes to covering the show, I think on my, the email that I received, it said, and you have to cover the press conference or else, and it didn't actually say like that, but, you know, they, they want you there if they're going to give you a credential, they expect you to show up to that press conference, and you know, years and years and years, I was like, I've always said, oh, I don't want to do it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't want to go.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'll sit in the back.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Hopefully.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, and just like let people chitchat do their thing and then you'll still talk about the press conference on your shows.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So technically, you're still covering it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: If you don't necessarily participating, and I'm sure if you think of a good question that you think might get a good answer, you'll ask it, but you know better.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, when I actually

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[SPEAKER_01]: Now that I think of it is not the first time I've covered in a W show.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I did just the recent one when I went with my buddy Ben Cruz because we were there all day long.

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[SPEAKER_00]: This is the first paint right now and I will have credentialed though, but they also didn't have a press conference after the show.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, because for them have a most

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[SPEAKER_01]: And, you know, MJF, when I told them that I wasn't going to be a part of it, like he totally got it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He's like, yeah, that totally makes sense.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I wish, like, I also covered it in Winnipeg, well, you know, I was credentialed and I talked about it on my shows.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I consider myself covering it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I would have gone to a press conference, you know, before or after the show, because, you know, the access into, you know, developmental relationships and whatnot, I would have, like, to have been backstage, talked to a few people, you know, but didn't really have chance to do that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: everyone there was it was really nice and super hospitable like you know they're running around I talked to a lot of them online like I mean that's the worst day to talk to people but you know I do have good relationships with a lot of people that work there so after that show Jeremy and I are gonna try and do something it just really depends on what time we get home we would like to do a post show that evening just because it's gonna be fresh on our mind so that is the

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[SPEAKER_01]: if we don't get out of there at a half decent time, maybe that changes, I don't know, but I think we're gonna attempt to go right after the show.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Or right after we get home, because we have to sit through the press conference and then when we get home to do a program.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, depending on when that is, I might be able to join you if I watch live-ish.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that would be actually be cool because then you can tell us the team's more used on the TV version.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: All right, so I know you wanted to talk about Aaron Wolfe, why don't we save that for the tail end not long, but yeah, just I had some thoughts and you also wanted to talk about the women side of the own cup and I wanted to talk about maybe we'll just lead off with this.

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[SPEAKER_01]: In a different time, it might have to be, you know, 15, 20 years ago, I would have thought that segment was really cool at a different time in my wrestling fandom.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I would have thought, man, you know, what they did was actually, it very interesting and they're getting semi in the mix, but today, you know, my media thought was,

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, it's been six months since Gunther Beach on scene.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, that was my immediate thought.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, who knows, Gunther may win the world title this weekend.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, I don't know why they would have to make it a three way, unless they want Sammy to get pinned or the unless they want Sammy to hit Cody or Cody to hit Sammy and then Gunther kind of picks up the win that way.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Or Sammy somehow wins and then loses it quickly to Gunther.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You could do that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Whatever the reason is that they're doing it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: How they're doing it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: more power to them, but if I'm just looking at that segment on Friday, they made a world title match.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They made Sammy Zane involved.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I was kind of interested in it, but when I heard the early feedback about what happened, I was less interested in watching it and I was like, okay, it's, you know, it's a version of WWE and I will, I will catch it before I talked to Paul about it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So watch it today and I thought, I thought the,

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[SPEAKER_01]: back and forth with the three guys was very predictable, but also very good.

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[SPEAKER_01]: There are three guys are all really good at what they do.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The power bomb on Sami Zayn flat out ruin the match for me.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, I was out at that point.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Once Gunther didn't get DQed for power bombing, the actual referee in the match, I was out.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Then they had Sammy do a fast count on Gunther which benefited Cody and Cody, you know, the good baby face that he is could not accept that as the finish.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then they went back in and then you got another non finish.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You're like two or three different non finishes in this match with Gunther and Sammy fighting and you know, and then Sammy laying out Cody at the end.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So

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[SPEAKER_01]: It was like, I think they wanted us to think that here's like a giant angle and you're getting a lot here and we're giving you all this stuff.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We had to dangle the WWE title just to get people pay attention, but we're building to this bigger match and I had champions.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I

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[SPEAKER_01]: I didn't really see the importance of it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know if that worked any better than if somehow they just made Sammy a part of the match room day one.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like maybe some people are more interested in the program.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, I think Sammy's been doing a great job in his role.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Cody is getting a little long in the tooth, but he's still...

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, he's still doing all everything that a world championship do and Gunther is just cold compared to where he was.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I'm just not sure that that is a fantastic way to get into the match that they're trying.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I will say.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe they're going to try and redo that WrestleMania 39 match with was it Gunther and Shamus and Drew drew maybe they're going to try a version of that match, which is one of the greatest matches in WrestleMania history.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But I don't know.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know that there's a lot.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I still don't think there's a lot of buzz going into this paper view.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like what do you think about the Gunther thing?

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[SPEAKER_01]: What do you think about that match?

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then what is like what are

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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, yeah, so like you, I didn't didn't like that, you know, any, any of what they did on Friday at all, like other than the stuff that they did, you know, the back and forth's promo.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's like, I think that, um, I said it, I don't know if it was last week on the show or if it was just when we were talking privately, but, um, I think, or maybe it might have even been Jeff and I when we were, you know, chatting and sometimes W to be comes up.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think Cody and Sammy is like maybe my favorite thing or was my favorite thing going on in WWE right now, like just the dynamic between the two of them, the way that Sammy is, you know, he's basically turned heel, but he keeps referencing these ride and ride or die fans and and like I think what's eventually going to happen is like,

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[SPEAKER_00]: their act those writer dies are going to get louder and louder and louder and he's not going to change he's still going to be acting like a heal but he's going to be more popular than he was before.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think that's what's eventually going to happen here.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But in the meantime we got this on Friday and I don't think it did anybody any good and I was exactly with you like as soon as that power bomb happened I'm like okay this is stupid and I mean really for what they ended

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[SPEAKER_00]: at that point because then, you know, then Cody would have been upset.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He doesn't want to win like that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Gunther would have been pissed off because, oh, Sammy touched them first and, you know, they could have accomplished the exact same thing without, you know, then doing, you know, another five minutes of a bullshit match that nobody was into at that point.

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[SPEAKER_00]: and then they go, you know, it sets up a three way.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And to me, the bigger match was the singles match.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Cody and Gunther is a bigger match than a three way, because he and Sammy is also a bigger match.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Absolutely.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Or even Sammy and Gunther as a number one contender, you know, like, you know, I don't know if that's bigger, but it would have felt more important than this, which

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[SPEAKER_00]: happening a week before the paper view.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I guess my first thought was, well, there's no world title matches in the paper.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So, you know, everyone's in Wild WWE will do this, so we're actually going to get a big match.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then it turns out, no, it was just some stupid angle to set up a match.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And, and yeah, now I'm like, I'm looking at this card on Saturday.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And,

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[SPEAKER_00]: just not really feeling like anything on it at all like I'm I'm not excited for anything I should be excited for open and I guess Jay but I mean I just feel like that's just going to end up with Brock and her fearing and you know and I don't know maybe he's going to help Brock you know Oba maybe he's going to you know hurt him I don't know but I yeah I'm just yeah not interested in it and it's happening inside of your baby and it's happening early

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, just not feeling it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And it's a busy weekend.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's probably well, third out of the four shows in my, you know, that I'm most looking forward to because I, you know, TNA, I can't say I'm looking more.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, I want you.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, so, you know, it's and it should be more, you know, and I just they just feel like, I don't know, cold right now isn't the word,

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[SPEAKER_01]: Jay and Oba, I don't imagine that's going to be that good and I think the reason is because you're going to have one of two finishes.

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[SPEAKER_01]: One, Oba wins very impressively, or two, Jay wins, because Oba gets fucked.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, yeah, I think that's what people think.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Live and EO.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think

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[SPEAKER_01]: drama there like why does why do we want live to win this match or why do we think live is going to win this match when it comes to future business like it does doesn't well I guess you know live in rea would be a big match at summer song you know and maybe they unify the titles like I guess that's big eo eo wins and I guess they just do a rematch

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, because now she's beaten live and, and, you know, she should be in a more contender.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So what she would be in a more contender.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So then, unless she decides face real real, but I can't see that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They're the best friends, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like the key to me is you got to have, and maybe they're just not explaining it, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: To me, that has a fan.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But I think when you have tournaments like this, you have to have

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[SPEAKER_01]: real outcomes for both guys and at least for the men's side they did that jay's like I'm going I'm going for Cody oba's like huh maybe I got Roman yeah and Roman was you know basically told jay like hey that belt's yours I got this one you get the other one yeah and so there there are feasible outcomes on both sides and then on the women I don't even know

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[SPEAKER_01]: like what those outcomes technically can be or are you you mentioned doing a rematch and maybe that's the way that they they go.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, Eo just beat her and she believes she can beat her again.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's the smart play.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But there's yeah, they could I mean they said that in commentary on Friday.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, I think or maybe it's Monday.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But I mean, the commentators were telling that story and then for live, I mean, she has said, you know, she wants all the titles.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So, you know, I mean, it's not a great story, but they they haven't ever done a title for title after a killing of the ring.

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[SPEAKER_00]: No, because they've never

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I don't even know why they did like again, you know, like there's not like they didn't have other people like kind of put in the tournament like that's why I'm saying is if you wanted me to believe in this live story like she's got to be shocked she's going to be calling her shot she's going to be saying you know she's got to get them to agree that if she wins like this is the only reason she's in the tournament the only reason I'm in right care is if I win

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[SPEAKER_01]: I get to fight for both belts and I get to possibly hold both belts.

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[SPEAKER_00]: If she said that from day one and they agreed, look like, yep, and they could even tell the story that Ria is hurt and and Lee live once or because she knows it's weak and it's the best chance she's ever going to have.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, they could tell that part of it too.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Uh, yeah, Ricky Saints and trick feels like a SmackDown match.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Tiffany Stratton and Jade feels like a SmackDown TV match.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Even Braun and Seth because of how idiotic cage matches are because we know what's going to happen.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That also feels like a raw angle to me.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, and they've already done the match on raw not that long ago.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so yeah, I'm not super interested in this show.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I hope it's good.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I hope it's yeah, sometimes these shows come out of the blue like ones that look great on paper or like and then sometimes we get shows like this that we aren't thinking much and then we go watch them and hey, that was great, but then even then it's like yeah, the matches are great, but you know, really what happened like that's probably the most likely outcome.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you know, like, yeah, it's just business as usual Monday, you know, and it's like, the most money they're going to get paid for a show, the side of WrestleMania, and it's just feels so inconsequential.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then, and then they're going to do like, you know, they're going to come back to the states.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They're going to tape shows again.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So we're going to have, like, you know, the next two smack downs, like most people are going to know what happened before the air, that never helps.

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[SPEAKER_00]: In my opinion, like, it's backed out already feels like a dead show,

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's like, yeah, yeah, I don't know, like if I was ever going to give up watching a WWE like thing, it probably would be SmackDown because I like NXT, you know, most people don't and raw as usually really good.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I like, you know, evolve and main event or short, so they're easy to watch and I like watching people to watch SmackDown will be moving back down to two hours.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So that's easier.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But but still, it's like two hours of what?

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[SPEAKER_00]: you know, like it's just not hot like I again, I like that Sammy Cody stuff, but that's about it like trick is cool to watch, I guess, you know, and Carmella uses good matches, but

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[SPEAKER_01]: So, like we mentioned, we do have the forbidden door show coming up.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, they have at they did add the mystical match, which not wouldn't have been like my first choice, but is actually forbidden dory.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And, you know, you got the, you got the, you got the box in it, so it's going to be important.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's not just going to be a throwaway pre-show match.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I do find it funny that, you know, like there, they're both, you know, those teams are wrestling.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And, I mean, I don't know that the tag titles

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[SPEAKER_01]: you know what I mean like the dogs are fighting our wrestling I guess if the bucks win they may be they'll they'll say oh yeah you know we're doing more contenders now yeah I I don't I don't think like I have to think or I have to believe that you put those titles on uh missco and uh masquerade rata for

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[SPEAKER_01]: the show in San Jose, and maybe that's the only reason you do it so that they actually win a title match in San Jose.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, there's no title on the line, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, if they win those ROH titles,

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[SPEAKER_01]: What are they wrestling for the ROH times on Friday?

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[SPEAKER_01]: They wrestle for the ROH titles.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Really?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Again, who's it?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Hitch Cero and Sammy Guevara.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, in Mexico?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Is that coming up this weekend?

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think it's this Friday.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, so then the the match in San Jose might be for the ROH titles.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like ROH titles.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Wow.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I didn't know that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I haven't listened to any F4W audio in like three weeks.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So that would have been the only way I would have heard about it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's so.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That aspect of it again.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, like kind of what you said about like our OH titles are like

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[SPEAKER_01]: not important.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's not at all, but you missed the co-winning a title.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, that's like, you know, mystical one of those, the trio's titles on a paper view a couple, a couple shows ago and in LA Revolution, I think.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And that was a big moment just because it was mystical winning a title, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, it's not, it's more about mystical than it is about the title.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And that

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[SPEAKER_01]: So be it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think it's I think it's better than my what I was thinking was going to have and so I'm happy about that again, and the buck's being in the match just makes it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and share the single and to tawn are great as well.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, that'll be a great match.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So let's talk about the Owen cup on the women's side and I still haven't watched the match, but I know my world beat Athena.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And so it's her and Mercedes in the finals.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Neither of whom were actually in the tournament when it started, which is which is so funny.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And it's unfortunate the way that it happened and I don't know that we'll ever know the real story of what Tony's initial idea was, but you know, he did leave himself open to making changes if need be, which I think was really smart now whether or not

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[SPEAKER_01]: Sorry, would have actually wrestled that match if she was healthy.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I would kind of wonder, but yeah, I'm sure she was healthy.

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[SPEAKER_00]: She would have, and I'm sure when he flew her in, he thought there's a good chance she might be healthy.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Otherwise, why do you do that?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Why would he do that?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, all she did was accompany her partner to the ring for an R wage match.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, he's not flying her in for that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, like so I mean, I think you and I think the same thing and I think when I try to explain this to people, they misunderstand what I'm trying to say.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Because when you're typing in a discord, like you don't really get a chance to flesh out your thoughts, but I think what it was was he knew, okay, he's and he's announcing these names.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's got two of the people that are questionable, you know, they're both injured, they're both not expected to be off for too long.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There's a decent chance that one or both of them will be back, and it was part of the forbidden door aspect.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Right, to have Persephone from CMLL and and, uh,

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[SPEAKER_00]: She's ready to go.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I can put her in if we need her and then what happens is the she's the

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[SPEAKER_01]: The, you know, call it if glass bricks, you know, because I'm sure you have plans for her.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I can't imagine she wasn't going to be a part of all in, you know, like whatever and the built to all ends kind of starts now.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So whatever she's going to be doing it all in, you kind of got to start getting the ball rolling for that now.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So if she, let's say perfect world willows not injured, Persephone is not injured, Surais not injured.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Then he doesn't use Mercedes and then maybe he brings Mercedes in to Russell Tecla at the next paper view or even this one.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And you know what's kind of interesting is I do wonder if she was kind of set for

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[SPEAKER_01]: either showing up in San Jose or on the Wednesday television after San Jose.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And like, you know, coming back for real show up in San Jose to challenge Tecla after she beats star like kid or whoever she's gonna wrestle.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, that would, that would work.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, the break glass in case of emergency.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, is there because you knew that she was going to be coming soon.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And, and I can't imagine though, like, and then, but once willows hurt, maybe she was planned to win the tournament.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So now it's like you're looking at this line up.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And, I mean, we looked at the lineup at the start and we're struggling to come up with one of these eight people that's going to win the tournament.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And as it turns out, it won't be one of those eight people.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, willow became a viable option.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think Alex Windsor worked herself into becoming a viable option.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, with the promos.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But then we'll, we'll, we'll kind of killing her or a will.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, I mean, you didn't do any favors last week, but, but I mean, that's not her fault.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And, and yeah, I mean, she cut a couple of promos, especially that last one, you know, right before, and I think when she cut that promo, that was a week performance, it just came back.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I still think at that point, she was scheduled to at least go to the finals.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And wasn't she facing Willow in the opening round?

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[SPEAKER_00]: No, they were on opposite sides of the outside.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, okay.

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[SPEAKER_00]: No, wait a minute.

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[SPEAKER_00]: No, no, you're right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You're right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, no, you're right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Sorry, my bad.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, she was facing wait a minute.

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[SPEAKER_00]: No, because Mercedes, at the machine.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, you're right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, you're right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, she was going to face Willow.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But I think she was going to be there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, you know, I don't know.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, I don't know.

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[SPEAKER_00]: She cuts that promo.

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[SPEAKER_00]: you know kind of promising that she's going to be going all the unless there's plans like you know that that was that heartbreak was part of the plan of the storyline for her maybe I don't know because now I mean yeah we get some interesting options with this women's tournament like the the easy one is to just Mercedes beats Maya they have a great match Mercedes wins she goes on to challenge for the world title at all and that's still lay up that's easy right

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[SPEAKER_00]: I've seen a lot of people speculating that Maya wins the match, you know, completes your story.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Then she's got to go wrestle for the world title at all.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And that's, you know, that's a lot.

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[SPEAKER_00]: She's not very experienced.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's a big show.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not saying she can't, but that's a risk.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then what do you do with Mercedes?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, they set up Mercedes in a theme.

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[SPEAKER_00]: A kind of as a team.

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[SPEAKER_00]: you could have Mercedes and Athena go against the divine dominion for the tag team titles.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Now you've got two women's matches that have some juice behind them that people are into.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Because Mercedes and Athena are involved, they're more interested in the tag team titles.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I could see that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't necessarily what I would do, but at all in though, you probably do what the brawling.

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[SPEAKER_01]: birds in that in that match just because of where the match is.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You probably do, yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I mean, and that's to me, like, so Mercedes and Tecla on one, you know, and then divine dominion and brawling birds.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I mean, that's nothing wrong with that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I think that's probably the bedding line.

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[SPEAKER_01]: My guess is that my has a hell of a match.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Mercedes puts her over at the end.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Mercedes gets out of the ring.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Let's Maya soak up all the cheers fans standing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, she gets emotional and she has her moment inside the ring by herself.

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[SPEAKER_01]: No, shenanigans, like, let it let it, let it, you know, let it sit there for a little while.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That'll be my guess and.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then she goes back to ROH and we don't see her again for a second.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, that's the problem because it's not like that women's division is just not going to knock him away because there's so many.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I do think she could beat.

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[SPEAKER_00]: She should beat Athena for the ROH title at this point though.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think like at the very least, because Athena's had that both for a long time.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I mean, and she drew her in ROH and now she's beaten her NAW.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think she should beat her for the title.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Outside of Swerve and Osprey, what are you looking most forward to on the show?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh gosh, you know, like I I shouldn't have to pull up the card, but there's a lot of matches, um, off the top of my head, like I can definitely tell you, it's not that cage match, I'm not into the cage.

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[SPEAKER_01]: No, it's going to be good.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's going to be good.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not into it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Kenny Kenny and Zach.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, that's going to be great match.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, you know, um, or yeah, yeah, I might start to show with that one.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, I would mean event with Will and Swerter if I don't think they're gonna, but that's what I would mean event was.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, and, uh, I think, um,

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then Techland Star like kid I'm intrigued because I really like Techland a lot and I'm not really that familiar with Star like kid, but I've heard a lot of good things about her.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I expect that that match will be good.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I wonder how much he did it'll have.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Because I don't think the fans will know Star like kid and I still not positive tech is she's more over than she was six months ago, but she's not like at that Tony storm.

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[SPEAKER_00]: She's right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But she's trying.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, bro, most.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, yeah, no, I mean, she's definitely, you know, she's improved.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, you know, I, but she's probably like not even at the willow level yet, but, you know, she's getting there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, and yeah, another not like I'm not the tag match, uh, I'm not really that into like the tag title match, the three way tag match.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I maybe like the third most favorite.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So like, if I said, Will and Swarve and Kenny and Zach and then probably, um, tag them start like kid and then that box, the box match.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, it's for that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm like really looking for it to, uh,

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[SPEAKER_01]: Showed I'm hot.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I want to do a little bit of an experiment as we go through this card.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, because I think what matters to me most and I am not speaking for everybody.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I have to be interested in the outcome.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like there's got to be like, oh, it could go this way or oh, it could go that way.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Kind of like what we said about the king and queen of the ring.

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[SPEAKER_01]: When I look at this card.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not invested in most of these outcomes, which is probably hurting my, how much I'm looking forward to the card match.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, like even the one you're most probably looking forward to, I mean, I think there was also foreground conclusion.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Right, right.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That is part of the problem.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But okay, so let's start with the, with the pre-show, divine dominion against Thunder Rosa and Olympia.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Not, that's a squash match.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, it won't be, it should be, it won't be.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's, it's, you know, there's, there's no doubt with the outcome.

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[SPEAKER_00]: No, no, there's no doubt in the outcome, but they'll probably go longer than they need to, because I don't think they want to make a limpia look bad and thunderrows as a former world champion.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So they'll probably go like 10 minutes, but it really shouldn't.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Cagian Copeland against the dogs.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's probably best that Cagian Copeland keep these titles just if you're thinking of this giant match at

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[SPEAKER_01]: But if not, like I really don't care who wins this match, you know, they're they're trying, I guess I would say with the dogs, but when I think of what some of the tag team matches are that are upcoming, the dogs don't really fit for me, and I'm not, I know that they're trying hard to they're trying to, you know, to separate themselves from the midcard and, you know,

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[SPEAKER_01]: Hopefully they get some out of it, but do I care about the dogs at this point?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Not really, you know, this is one of those where Dave talks about time to heal go, but it'll be a good match.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That means like, yeah, they haven't really thought too much about it, but the guys are good wrestlers.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So that's how I kind of feel.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You didn't watch collusion, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: No.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So, they, they, the bang bang gang have done these, so they didn't interview last week where I almost feel like it was off the top of their head.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And they started talking about how Juice Robinson is opening up a,

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[SPEAKER_00]: pet clinic where he's going to be doing castrations and I did hear about this and so then they they did that interview and then this week they did an actual vignette where they filmed like a commercial for this for this thing and this is so funny and there's like nobody that got this joke except for me and maybe like five other people but they had ret or not retitis they had will for

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[SPEAKER_00]: as somebody that juice was about to castrate.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And he's like, but no, like you can't castrate me or whatever.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And the joke is he was part of the dog's tag team in our way.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So he's a dog.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And that's why they're going to castrate him.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And Tony Khan paid this guy to come in to do this big net.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Wow, it's great like because the thing is it's funny.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So you can watch it and laugh and you know, and even if you don't get that part of the joke, you would still like the big net, but for the people that actually got it, it's even better anyways.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I, you know what, if I don't really carry either and I'm not really looking forward to this match, but honestly, like if the dog's one That wouldn't be the worst thing in the world because you can do that copage in the new day and the bucks and FTR like that, you don't need a belt for that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like you really don't, and the belts would actually help the dogs way more than they would help Cape Coping Cage at this point, but they would very much get overshadowed defending those titles.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They would.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And that would be similar to like when Hangman was a champion in all the stars were fighting each other or not him, like that's what that would feel like.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, yeah, I see you're probably right, like it's, you know, you just go with the pat hand, Coping Cage.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Bucks against Miscone, Dorada, against Shingo and Teton.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I do feel some sort of way about this.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I do want Miscone and Mascara Dorada to win.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I do feel like, yeah, I'm invested in that outcome.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So that would be one so far.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm invested in the entrance.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that would be cool too.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I don't know if Dave says all these people will know the words to,

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[SPEAKER_00]: Meanwhile, I'm like, do they really know them or are they just kind of like humming and sing their their kind of wave their arms and they're going to like still be enough people that know it that the camera can focus on them hopefully they'll put it on the rewards on the bigs as long as there's a lot of like spanic people in the crowd because what happened in Cincinnati was you had all these white fans that didn't know the words and they're all singing different words and they're waving their hands in the wrong way.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And it was just terrible.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But then they went to, they were last week they were in Sugarland in, you know, just outside Houston.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And that was great.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So it just depends on where you are and I think San Jose will be good.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Do I care whether Moxley or Bandito wins or not?

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[SPEAKER_00]: This is not really.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I expect Mox to win, but Bandito is going to be over in that crowd with that crowd as well.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They might go to a draw.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know what the timeline is here, but I could see them going to a draw.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Show to Umino versus Pack.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Absolutely do not care who wins this match.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, show to have to win whatever, show to have to win because it's for the IWGP title.

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[SPEAKER_01]: uh... tecla and starlight kid i don't care either but i assume tecla is going to win i think tecla is a solid champion i don't think uh... they want starlight kid to win the ae w championship and to be defending it on television in less and less they think starlight kid in mercedes is is a big match uh... if that's a match Tony wanted to do for all in and you know i could see that but i think they're better off to go with tecla

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think in the Mercedes and my world match, I think a lot of people are going to be pulling for Maya.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think Mercedes is going to be smart enough to lean into that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think they're going to get some great two counts.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And like I said, what, you know, what, what I thought about at the end, what should happen.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, I am invested in this, not that I really want to see my a win, but I can feel that there's going to be a lot of that crowd who will want that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I can get into that because of how I, how I foresee the crowd participating in this match.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, like I'm I'm invested.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I want Mercedes to win and this is maybe the only match on the show where I'm not, you know, like pretty darn sure who's going to win.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like I would say, you know, I'm most of them.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm at least 90% on who's going to win.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And this one I'm probably more like 60 that Mercedes going to win.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I could see my winning, but I wouldn't do it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: you know, I would like to see him win if if you know, I like Zack.

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[SPEAKER_01]: There's really no stakes in this match.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's kind of like an exhibition in, you know, in a way.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, not not.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I don't really care about the outcome much in this one.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Osprey and Swarve.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I want Osprey to win.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think he's going to win.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think Swarve winning.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They could tell a nice story, but it's just not the natural story that's just sitting out there.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I think everyone knows that, so maybe that takes away a little bit of the shine from this match, but it'll still be awesome.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, I agree with both of those.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And honestly, like, the Kenny thing, this is gonna tie in with something I wanted to say about the main event, or what we think is gonna be the main event, like, you said there's no stakes.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And the stakes in the main event, I think are useless.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, the, if Brisco's team wins, he gets an A, W, World Championship match.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think we are led to believe that this won't even be a paperview match, so we're having a paperview main event to set up a TV match, which makes no sense to me.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I would be so much more invested in this if it was team Kenny against TMMJF and Kenny had to win to get the title match at the next

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[SPEAKER_00]: like I'd be way more into that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It would be better, but the timing for it isn't right because they haven't really started Kenny's.

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[SPEAKER_01]: No, I mean, slower push to the right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You would have had to have started the Kenny thing, you know, and then obviously this is the direction that they booked to.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I mean, you can't go back and change it now.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But I'm just saying, this is where I would be more interested in this main event and in this paper view as a whole,

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[SPEAKER_00]: more is if this was Kenny in the spot that Mark brisk goes in.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Because I don't think, I mean, everyone expects brisk goes going to win and get the townmatch and lose.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, I mean, and so I just don't see, you know, and I think maybe that this was originally going to be a title like a one on one singles match, but MJF is probably hurt, and that's why they have to make it what it is and they're hoping that he's going to be healed up in time to do a

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[SPEAKER_01]: Calus family and and the the goofy baby faces.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe a trio's title match because uh, Orange, Cassidy and O'Reilly are the trio's champions, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: So you could have had them against, I don't know, Jake Doyle and uh, Brian Cage and somebody else, Petta Sarah or something.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then I need I need to wear sunglasses if I'm going to watch Brian Cage.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then, you know, maybe you get, you know, like, Ocada and or maybe like a drotian to catch or something like that as a singles match.

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[SPEAKER_00]: God, that would be great.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We're getting, are we getting M.J.F.

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[SPEAKER_01]: in Omega for Omega's career?

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[SPEAKER_01]: maybe what's going to be the step there because that they've that I mean even this show has a step like briskos team has to win so that he gets a title shot like what is MJF going to ask Kenny to put up he can't ask will to put anything up because will's winning a tournament to get that shot if it's going to be him but to to

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, for Kenny to get the shot, you know, everyone's having a jump.

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[SPEAKER_01]: There's so many whoops just to get these title shots.

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[SPEAKER_00]: What is Kenny going to have to jump through?

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[SPEAKER_00]: So career might be, you know, like people might not, you know, like buy that, you know, I mean, he's been saying that he's on the, you know, this is kind of his last chance.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like that's kind of what if he said rather than career, what if he just said, um, you could never wrestle in Canada again.

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[SPEAKER_01]: How often do they run Canada?

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, or something like something else would rather him not Russell and America.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that's true.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You can only wrestling.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, there you go.

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[SPEAKER_00]: No, or you know something.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, like you're me, you know, like Or even just do the never-challenge for a title again like you could just do the exact same thing like You know, I worked as a fan and then you have the thing where hangman comes back and he's trying to talk to Kenny about it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I could see that too, but it doesn't look like that's where we're going.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And so this again, when it comes to the stakes of this main event, I will, I, I will love to watch Mark, we're going MJF for us, so another match.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I love the idea, Mark, we're going beat MJF the last time.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I don't know why we were going through this dance.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But at the end of the day, like you said,

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[SPEAKER_01]: This is building probably for a TV match and we know the two bigger matches are Omega and Osprey.

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[SPEAKER_01]: and Mark Briscoe is definitely a category below that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So this, the main event for me, the outcome, I'm like, okay, now let's play devil's advocate here.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You and I and a lot of the people that we're friends with and even a lot of people listen to the show are we think about this a lot more deeply and a lot more inside than what most fans will do.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The average person watching

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[SPEAKER_00]: may look at this like very similar to the Darby Allen situation where Darby won a title shot nobody expected him to win and then he did.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So maybe they would get behind Mark Brisco the same way thinking what we just saw Darby do it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So maybe we could see Marcosco do it now too, I mean, the whole, and hopefully they tell the story, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They have Darby.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They're on the same thing and Darby's on first.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Cos he and actually Darby cut in his promo.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He actually said that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I did it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You can do it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He actually said that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I think that that's part of the strategy and then you go backwards now and you think, OK, that was really smart with Tony did.

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[SPEAKER_00]: because he had a champion lose the title when nobody expected, even though everyone expected it, but you know what I mean?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, probably like most of the people watching didn't expect it, even though a lot of the insiders, you know, were totally expecting it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So, you know, and I think now you've set the table and it's also mjf.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So if it was anybody else as the champion, you wouldn't be thinking it, but we've already seen mjf get be quick.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There's the story out there that he's injured.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So now that adds to the speculation that he could lose.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then, and MJF can play into that and they can do like a great false finish, like, you know, right off the bat, Mark Riscoe hits a jager on her, you know, like, and one, two, and MJF kicks out, you know, and it's like, oh, shit, you know, got me.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then they have a great match and, and MJF wins, you know, maybe, probably cheats.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I will say that on paper, this feels a little bit more like a

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[SPEAKER_01]: I am all.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I will also say I'm going to enjoy myself at this show because the wrestling is going to be really good.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's going to be in my hometown and there's going to be this mix of Mexican loot, you know, loot your doors, Japanese wrestlers, AEW wrestlers.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's going to be fun.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's just not going to be like that like giant show, you know, that giant big time money show.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But, you know, let's talk with the business here.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, if they are able to do upwards of like 150 for a show like this, that that says something.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know what I would predict and I don't know what Dave's over and over under is going to be.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But, you know, they're, they're, they're paper v business is doing very, very well.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I kind of feel like it's going to hold strong just because of the, the, how much everyone's just like to their paper views this year.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, I'm going off the assumption that the recent estimates include my AW because they should, like they used to include Triller plus and to me, I think everybody that would have previously ordered on Triller is now ordering, you know, probably subscribed to my AW.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So,

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I think that helps them because that gives them stability, you know, to where they know every show now because if people by the annual subscription, they're getting that revenue for every single show.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I think that that provides them with the consistency and that's part of their strategy because and not only that, but they actually get their money on my quit with a with thriller, they weren't actually getting paid.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, so, you know, that there is that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then obviously, you know, the company is, you know, hotter than they were, um, you know, there's, you know, there's, I got an argument with Dave on Twitter, the last couple days about it, but, um, you know, whether or not it's what's the argument.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, that they're doing more viewers than they ever have before because apparently there's all these viewers on Max and there's also he he's looking at the panel data.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: want to say that, that's fine.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But regardless, I'm just looking at the numbers and the numbers are good.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The numbers are really good, regardless of what who's watching on Macs because they're up year over year most weeks.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And the 1849's a little down, but I blame that on the new rating system.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So, you know, and so I don't think you can penalize them for that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And the ticket sales are slightly up, so that's good.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The paper views an hour doing like they're doing like, you know, this show wasn't was trending great, but it looks like it's going to work like 9,000, which is I think the same is what they did for revolution a couple years ago.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So not it's not as much as WWE will draw for no, no, but I mean, they're not WWE at least at least in the last two years.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, maybe now, maybe now if they ran raw from San Jose, they would for San Jose, because they don't even do San Jose do that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: WWE?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, WWE almost only does San Jose.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, really?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_00]: San Francisco.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They don't do San Francisco.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, I got you.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, but I mean, that's 9,000 is you can't, you know, that's that's not about the probably get close to a million for the for the gate.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So nothing wrong with that at all.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And and I'm sure the matches, you know, they're going to have another probably, you know, five or six these matches will probably be at least four stars.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, we'll have the same argument.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Was it the best in-ring paper you ever had?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Whatever, it'll probably be good show.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then, you know, then they had right over to, I think that retribution or whatever it's called redemption, that one, for whatever reason, feels like it's going to be a B show.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But, except if they have the A-show main event, man, who are Kenny and MJF, yeah?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But all in, I mean, I think all in is going to be really big.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, they got to do 200 plus for that show I think.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and and hopefully they can get 40,000 in there, um, you know, and there, I think there are like 26 right now.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So it's it's possible.

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[SPEAKER_01]: All right, let's end this talking about Aaron Wolf.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, today, you're shooting?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So they had, you know, they're doing the G1 plans and Aaron Wolf wrestled Yosihashi.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yota Ice from the Nakau Brothers wrestled Tai Chi.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So they, you know, they were, and then they had a four-way number of contenders match.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So there's the last three matches in the show.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They're all really good.

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[SPEAKER_00]: If you have NGB, PWR, I encourage you to go watch the three matches, take you less than an hour, and they're all great.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They're better than anything you'll see on American television this week.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And but Air Wolf, he's been kind of like, everyone looked at his debut, and he told you you did a good job, but he was in there with the evil, and he was a great worker, and then kind of like he had that terrible math with Don Fowley,

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[SPEAKER_00]: he lost the title to Ren Nareda and it was terrible match and they've been hiding him in these mixed or you know these multi-person tags and then he goes out there and he has this match today with Yoshi Hashi and Yoshi's not a big star but he's a veteran he's been around a long time multi-time tag team champion and they had a great match like Garrett like I'm telling you they

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[SPEAKER_00]: This is Aaron Wolf.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He had his first match, little over five months ago, and he's out in there on not the main event, but the code this co main event at Cork and Hall is one of their bigger arenas.

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[SPEAKER_00]: and it was great, and it got way more heat than the main event.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Here's the thing with Aaron Wolf.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He has this natural charisma and like ability that you can't even understand because you're not Japanese, or well, you are, but people that you don't live there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And this guy is, I mean, this is like, take your, you know, this is like, I don't know, like,

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[SPEAKER_00]: probably like a Steph Curry like he's big you know like he's a big big star and he's wrestling so you know like and so he's got these fans that aren't even wrestling fans that are following what he's doing and he can play off of them and he's he's selling is way better than it has any right to be and his baby face fire and he's in there with another baby face which isn't easy because of the fans like Yoshi Hashi too.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And he had a great match and there's so many great nearfalls and he was selling his knee injury that I almost saw he was really injured and then I realized he wasn't.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then he ends up pulling out the win at the end and he qualifies for the G1 and I can tell by the end of this match, I'm like fired up.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I want to see this guy in the G1, I'm about to see him have nine matches in the next month and I'm really looking forward to it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And if you wanted to ask me three months ago, I thought, yeah, they're probably going to put in the G1 and it's going to suck.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But you know, I don't think it's going to suck.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I, you know, because he's going to be in there with great workers most nights and, and, and he's probably going to get the best reaction of anybody on every single show he's on.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I'm really excited about Aaron Wolfe.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I'll say right now, I think he's going to win rookie of the year and he's probably going to win most improved as well.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Uh, think.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: How can he win most improved?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Matt Riddle did a year.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Matt Riddle of one both awards one in his rookie year.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Wow.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, because you look at him at the beginning and then you look at the end, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: And yeah, I mean, it's weird, like you shouldn't, but it's happened before.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I think he's going to do really well in the G1.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I wouldn't be surprised if he's like right there at the end.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think he's going to make the playoffs, but you'll probably be in the mix to make the playoffs going into the last matches.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then you'll probably like lose on the last day to get a lemonade or something.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think he's going to go like one and eight.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think they're going to do that to him.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But we'll see.

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[SPEAKER_01]: All right.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, that's some stuff to watch.

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[SPEAKER_01]: If you haven't watched it, and are you going to watch the G1?

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[SPEAKER_00]: that's a good question.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Last year I started strong and I just tailed off.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I'm actually watching you'll watch the first show because it's in Chicago, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: The year before I think I did the same thing, I was like super excited.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Started strong and then just had a hard time because it's hard because, you know, you're almost every day having to watch like three or four matches and it's in the in the heyday, like right when New Japan World came out, what we would do

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[SPEAKER_01]: is we would all just like try and watch stuff on our lunch break or whatever and then we you know we'd have you had your little internal threads going on and I think we were even keeping track of like what our favorite matches were and and step but it's just I try to watch like I'll watch before work in the morning so I can usually like if there's five matches on a show I can usually get through at least three and then I could maybe watch one on my lunch break and then

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[SPEAKER_00]: But with baseball and yeah, you know, like that's thing, like there's, there's a lot to keep up with and I watch every single Blue Jazz game so.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So we have a pretty big dynamite coming up on Wednesday for you and Jeff talking about.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't match this.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I hope it does.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I hope it's not like, I mean, if it's two hours and 20 minutes fine, but any, any more than that, that's going to be tough.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm wondering because in Canada, like, they got World Cup scheduled after Dynamite.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Now, I don't know if TSM is going to want Tony cons wrestling to override their World Cup.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I can see TSM thing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, we don't need to see this main event.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We're going to go to, you know, whatever the world cut matches.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, I see I would like this show so much better if it was like six matches because I just feel like eight, it's they're going to be rushing and nothing's going to have time to breathe and they're not going to really have any time for any like promos or angles to set up the paper view.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I'm kind of almost dreading this show, but hopefully

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[SPEAKER_01]: All right, so check out Paul and Jeff after the dynamite's over, a few minutes after the dynamite's over.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And like I said, if Jeremy and I can figure out how to get our post-AW show done Sunday night, we will definitely try, because just trying to figure out a time and remembering stuff that's fresh in your mind, it's a little harder.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and if you want to use me as a break-loss in case when emergency, I'm sure I could

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[SPEAKER_01]: I thought about that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I thought about having seeing if you guys wanted to do it and then Jeremy was like, you know what, I took Monday off.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I can I can make it happen.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So okay.

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[SPEAKER_01]: If you did that in advance, then we might.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, you know, and I'm just saying, like, if you for whatever reason you weren't able to, but yeah, and I can jump on with you guys if you do it at a decent enough hour.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You do have to work the next morning, but I love you too.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: All right.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That is it from here.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So for Paul, I am double G. We will see when we see you piece out.