B.J. Bethel: WWE's ESPN Deal Won't Be Renewed? Plus AEW All In Preview | Takedown

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[SPEAKER_01]: Welcome back to Take Down.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Paul, we don't usually have guests on this show.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, someone in the house.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It's nice.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We record so late.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Nobody really wants to come on with us.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But we have one of the most popular people on the internet today.

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[SPEAKER_01]: None other than B.J.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Bethel.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That is an absolute lie.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Let me tell you that.

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[SPEAKER_02]: That's why people don't want to come on with us.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Because it's got nothing to do with her.

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[SPEAKER_00]: This position.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Hey, I do have my fair share of supporters.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I want to say that's good.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, though.

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[SPEAKER_00]: What do you want that I say?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, you're interesting one that I saw was

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, I saw this person reach out to Dave Meltzer and say, you know, how sometimes WWE will feed false information so that people post something about AEW is this the opposite effect AEW is actually feeding misinformation to get out about WWE.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That was the, kind of one of the best ones that I saw today.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I can say this for a fact.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I did not talk to a one single person at AEW or Warner Brothers about this story, um, that, yeah, you know, like in a certain people right now that this was not a false flag planted by, you know, the Crocket family or, you know, maybe maybe the, you know,

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[SPEAKER_00]: maybe the gotches or something.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But no, yeah, that's hilarious.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So that's funny.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Let's actually read the very first sentence in your story today.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Post it on S.E.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Scoops.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I woke up to the chaos.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I was like, what's going on on Twitter?

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[SPEAKER_01]: And so your lead.

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[SPEAKER_01]: here is only one year into ESPN's five year deal to air world wrestling entertainment events on its unlimited app.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The network won't be renewing the contract when it expires.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That is a pretty direct lead sentence of your story there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So basically what's going on is this was a hard marriage from the beginning.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think people realize that and I think almost everybody will have to kind of concerns about how this is going to work as far as crossover audiences, things like that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And also I think the biggest

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[SPEAKER_00]: obstacle to this thing being a hit from the beginning was the fact this was a brand new app it's not like going to Netflix it's not like going to prime it's not like going to uh even he is simply esp and plus whether some subscriber base there's something there to work with this is a brand new app and you know and only a month beforehand they come to the deal with WWE for the PLEs and then they are trying to build that you know they do

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, one of the heads at a TKO, he's talking about how this is going to be one of the 10 poll paper views and a press conference, but it just hasn't really, the synergy hasn't been there and they don't, you know, ESPN isn't very happy with just how it's working.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think that's really on WWE.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think it's this probably, I think the,

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'll say this, and I think this was a deal made in a much higher level.

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[SPEAKER_00]: This was a deal made at the Disney level, the executive level, and I think that's probably had a lot to do with why this hasn't worked.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There's just been culture issues, just between fans, trying to promote stuff on their morning shows that hasn't really worked, and also there's just been also issues with

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[SPEAKER_00]: you know, just getting this thing to work.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, you're asking people to pay 2999 a month.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And that was never the plan.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It was the plan was hoping that people at YouTube TV and sling in these other places.

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[SPEAKER_00]: A lot of them have picked up that app.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But they did not do it with the enthusiasm, with the quickness, with the amount of money that they hoped would replace cable carriage fees.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And that was the purpose of this in the beginning.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It was to give ESPN back that huge profits center they had 10, 15, 20 years ago with cable carriage fees.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And that has been the case.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And now they're back to kind of promoting it as a as a regular streaming app.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, it has been picked up by a lot of places.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I do want to say that, but it has a come as easily as they thought has it come as profit was they thought.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think the thing that alarmed folks who are reading this, you know, whenever anybody reports about wrestling, there's going to be a lot of cynicism around the information, just wrestling is built on a con, right, like so, yes, it is it is very wrestling fans are going to be very cynical about anything that that comes out because they just think that everything is a work.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I think the thing that caused people to kind of take a double look at your piece is that we are barely in year one.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I think they even jumped the gun on.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It wasn't supposed to start into the beginning of this year.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They jumped the gun to get out there early.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So with four years remaining on this deal, why are you so why was that lead statement so adamant

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[SPEAKER_00]: because that's what I've been told.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There was a lot of issues in the beginning, especially as far as there was no top between the two companies as far as marketing, things like that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: ESPN was given this.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think they saw this as a opportunity.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Wow, we can give WWE viewers paper views for our app.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That'll bring in all those people that watch WWE paper views every month.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But it also didn't take into consideration the modern media environment.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It didn't take into consideration the amount of money it takes.

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[SPEAKER_00]: If you want to watch all the WWE program right now, you got to buy a lot of different apps.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's the case with the NFL.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, we can watch Stephanie McMan's podcast and find the best PPN there in Aberdeck.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But I think that's some part of it because if you're asking people to spend 30 bucks, they're going to try to find a way to watch the stuff without paying 30 bucks.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And if VPN is a pretty easy way to do it, and it's one stop shop, you get a VPN.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You get everything on Netflix.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, we won't name names, but the game that I've seen being played.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yep.

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[SPEAKER_01]: When they were doing like the first month free thing is just creating multiple email addresses so that you could continue to get that first month free thing that they were doing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I've been following the idea of ESPN based to call it over the top back in the day when these, when these, so yeah, OTT broadcast broadcasters would go to the internet.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And

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[SPEAKER_01]: It was the idea behind ESPN going to the internet was why would we possibly do that to cut down the possibility of people watching on cable because we make so much money from people watching on cable?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Why would we want to push our customers somewhere else that is less dependable

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[SPEAKER_01]: and it's not as predictive as as cable.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And so that was, that's been the story for 10 years.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And when they decided to go with this unlimited product,

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[SPEAKER_01]: They had like their big toe in the cold water they weren't they did not put their whole body in from the beginning and it goes all the way back to WWE going like hey, we'll be the guinea pigs start paying us sooner than later and and we'll get stuff out there We know how to do this.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We produce all of our content.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You just have to turn the key and push the button and we're on and so

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[SPEAKER_01]: WWE wanting to be the guinea pig or just being so adamant that, you know, hey, if you need programming, let's go now, obviously from the, the WWE site, I mean, Nikon and ESPN.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's a natural match, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like that for him.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's probably the, the A one network that he always wanted to get this product on.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So that makes sense.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But I think in what you said about the two companies, not really working together on on all of the logistics, it showed because

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[SPEAKER_01]: We would you know you'd watch raw and our truth would be on there going like hey here's how to use the thing and people were so confused.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They were like, I do I get it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Do I not get we put out a a little short YouTube short because I was like, okay, I'm getting so many questions about this.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Let me just show people.

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[SPEAKER_01]: What they need to do because they were confused about the unlimited product versus the former ESPN plus what do I so the whole thing was kind of botched from a marketing perspective, but it doesn't make sense because WWE was not supposed to start with them until 2026.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, that's a great point because if you think about it, they were supposed to start spring at 2020, six.

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[SPEAKER_00]: What's in spring, what's in the spring every year?

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[SPEAKER_01]: WrestleMania.

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[SPEAKER_00]: WrestleMania.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They would have had a build all the way to WrestleMania for this launch on the app.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think that would have probably helped them a little better.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And it also would have brought in a solid or subscriber, more solid subscriber base for them to launch with because they would have been able to go on six months later after they maybe got a couple more providers under their belt.

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[SPEAKER_00]: to offer this thing and you would also have wrestle many a dangling out there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I think that was, I think I understand why they wanted to get on it early.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, obviously the money is huge.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, this is a $325 million a year deal.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, that's over $4 billion a year.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think,

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[SPEAKER_00]: that tells you the success that Nick Con has had negotiating these deals, but I also think it also it becomes something that really sticks out because that's a big money deal.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And you look at Disney leadership now, Bob Ayers out of there, they brought in somebody from parks who's a revenue guy, they've been cutting costs, they've been doing layoffs, you had it already kind of

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[SPEAKER_00]: it's you know tough stuff start to this and you also are looking at a product where it's like okay how do we promote this well let's put it on our morning shows how's that worked you know people don't like seeing wrestling in their sports um

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's very two different, it's two very different audiences and I think that goes to what a lot of what you said.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's just, it would have been better if they launched this later.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe they would have been able to silo it better.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe they've been able to build some other content around it that support it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe they've been able to put like a half hour WWE show on the app or on ESPN2 or something along the lines to help feed this.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But I think the way this has worked out has it worked out for them.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, that's hindsight.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Obviously, you want the money.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They did their job and got the money.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And but at the same time, you know, there's a lot of changes going.

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[SPEAKER_00]: This, the media environment is very tough right now.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think a couple years ago this would have been more for patient.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But also remember Fox.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Fox was,

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[SPEAKER_00]: But upset was smacked out almost immediately.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He was nowhere near the ratings.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They thought there was way too much lead in.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There was 18 months between when the deal was made and they actually started airing the show They never came close to making the projections.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They thought they would on network TV on Friday nights And that mean that dead.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean Fox was tired of that deal from the get go almost immediately They just let them monetize it the way that I'm sure that they thought they'd be able to monetize it

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, they were hoping to get, they were hoping they could get a big enough audience on Friday night to overcome the advertising issues that there are with, you know, wrestling because, you know, wrestling does not bring into highest advertising dollars.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and that just didn't happen and then take place for them or not to the level of fox was hoping.

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[SPEAKER_02]: They were sold that on the basis of getting a one in 18 to 49.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And I think they hit that the first week, you know, when they had the rock, they were off the rock trophy.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And then, you know, I think over the life of the deal, they might, they averaged maybe like a point four.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, you know, it's, you know, let's 60% lower than what they were promised.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So yeah, I mean, clearly they, you know, and like you said BJ like at the time they signed the deal, one may have been more realistic, but the way cable has been falling the last 20 years.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, think about when that deal happened, what really hurt them was that was the crash in houses they had in that 18 months from when they signed it, because Raw was doing not, you know, a spank that was not doing that well on USA, and a lot was because they were in a creative kind of bust.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That turned around a couple years later, but by the time those 18 months come around, they were in a lot fewer homes.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It was not reachable for them.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And now you're looking at a

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[SPEAKER_00]: So, yeah, it's easy to see why this would be, you know, a problem for the networkers but they'd be looking at it and saying, okay, we're not a fan of this, this is going to work for us.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think that's a problem with WWE, and they guess it's a shot they took, I think they got a great deal, they got a ton of money.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I, you know, they still got four years to fix this thing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: that could change things but I know as of right now they're not playing on bringing this back and I mean in a lot of times that's kind of how ESPN works too.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean you'll see them sign in HL to a huge deal.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Prime time deals for two three four years and then they disappear they're back on TNT or someplace else and they replace it with something else.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They go with something that we they go with the next sport.

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[SPEAKER_02]: to be fair, like I think it's if WWE is being honest, they probably think we don't want to be doing this in four more years either, because they're, you know, like the money's great, but they're not in nearly as many homes as they used to be, they're not as hot and, you know, the comparison between peacock, you know, and, and ESPN app, I mean, they're probably

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[SPEAKER_02]: of the audience that they had before.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So I know the NHL had something similar years ago when they went off of ESPN and they went to, I think it was like the outdoor life network or something and their audience was just demolished.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, they got paid, but the popularity, the sport went, went into toilet.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I mean a lot of it comes down to just like where you're available at how many eyeballs you can get.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, I think what I think was WWE did from like 2022 to like last year, being able to build an audience in that environment was incredible.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think the AEW's done some of that in this last year where they've kind of gotten back in the 700s and ratings, which is insane.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Can you consider you lost homes?

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I mean WWE really had a lot of success there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And but at the same time, you got to keep eyeballs in front of you and I think it goes also hurt them a little bit when they don't have that on a linear TV.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But the other issue I've heard from people is that some of the changes they've made to try to fix this haven't worked like adding, you know, showing an hour of the paper view on a DSP and linear.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But let's say it's only a four or five match paper view.

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[SPEAKER_00]: If you're getting an hour and you're getting two of the matches, why would you want to pay for a 29, 99, a month just to get, you know, the rest of those matches if you're not interested in any of the sports content?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, you know, it's diminishing returns for the fan and I think it's also a situation where they're kind of hurt by their own success.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They've gotten all these huge TV deals, and but it's also priced to consume around a little bit.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They are not different from some of these other supports.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like if you look at the NFL, you look at the NBA.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They are across all of these different apps, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like if you want to be the hardest to the hardcore NBA fan, if you want to follow your local team, you want to follow all the games, maybe if you want league pass, like it's a hefty lift.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, except how many more NBA fans are there than WWE fans and let's add a caveat how many NBA fans in a certain monetary demographic are there versus WWE fans.

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[SPEAKER_00]: millions and millions and millions and millions.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And that's another thing I think that people are missing with this is that the price they're paying for this for the PLE that's a major loss leader.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And if you aren't attracting an audience with that,

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[SPEAKER_00]: Then you're not making money off that, which is what a lost leader is.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You lose money on that and hopes of getting that wrestling audience.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And that's a hard, that's going to be a very hard thing for them to pay off.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I think that's contributing to these decisions as well.

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[SPEAKER_00]: At least it's hard.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I suppose say one thing here, there's nothing signed on this.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But this has been talked about for a long time and this is pretty definitive.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, from people that I've talked to there, you know, which has been multiple, um, but, you know, but this is something where if you look at just the audience they bring in, yeah, I can see why they would be having doubts about how this was going to work in the long-term and say, hey, you know, we need to spin this money somewhere else, especially when you look at the changes they've been making.

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[SPEAKER_02]: When you talk about the frustration that ESPN's having, there's a lot of focus on WWE's inability to bring in new subscribers at that $30 price point.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But would you say it's even maybe even more so, not necessarily with the customers, but with the cable companies not willing to pay the premium money to carry ESPN plus, so you thought that they thought they might get.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's the biggest factor in this whole thing because the whole idea was that a limited app was going to help them get back the carriage fees they lost from carable providers.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Now they're still getting carriage fees.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They're not getting them at the rate that they used to because cable homes have been cut in half pretty much right maybe more at this point because you might be getting like you might be asking for five bucks and maybe you're getting a buck 50.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and you do the returns are a lot less and that I think that's the big I think that's the big thing here was they were not like YouTube TV just now started carrying it and limited app but they signed that deal like I think it was late last year early this year so it took a while before them started hearing it like it took a long time to get these deals in place and are not as profitable as.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't have the money figures on those deals, but I know they're not nearly as profitable as they thought, and they're not bringing in the money they thought.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You would see that difference, and you wouldn't see as many commercials being shoved into these shows if you had.

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[SPEAKER_01]: What these companies like a YouTube TV,

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[SPEAKER_01]: They have a little bit more leverage because YouTube TV is like the number two or number three cable company in the US right now as far as how much drivers like that's how that's how spread out it is.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And so for YouTube TV, they go to ESPN and ESPN goes, hey, here we got this new thing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You get the app will sign the same deal.

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[SPEAKER_01]: YouTube TV goes, okay, hold on.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Here's also what I want.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I want my own YouTube TV ESPN broadcast stream.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I want my own YouTube TV plus ESPN, some other channel because they feel like they have more leverage than the even ESPN right now.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And, you know, I want to go back a little bit because I know like your story is about

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think the bigger picture thing, like if we take away the wrestling piece, if we look at this from a sports media perspective where WWE is kind of a small fry in that atmosphere.

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[SPEAKER_01]: If we go back to the beginning, here's the key, the 30 bucks that you're paying for ESPN.

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[SPEAKER_01]: it tells me the fact that they cannot grow the subscriber number and they cannot sign up as many cable companies as they want.

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[SPEAKER_01]: What it tells me is that the fan who used to watch ESPN all day and all night is not there in the same, you know, in the same attendance figures or whatever in the same customer base.

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[SPEAKER_01]: that is really the problem.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The problem isn't WWE.

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[SPEAKER_01]: WWE was there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: No, that's something that I tried to write in this is that these were structural issues they had with the app from the beginning.

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[SPEAKER_01]: WWE there for the perspective of.

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[SPEAKER_01]: There's a pretty diehard user base.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It'll help with churn because WWE puts out a monthly product that will allow us to have a certain amount of customers who will not want to cancel because they'll want to keep watching their WWE.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The problem,

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[SPEAKER_01]: is people do not watch ESPN in the same way that we used to 20, 30 years ago because as everyone knows, all this, all these streaming networks, what it means is we have so many choices.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And we don't have to fall back on let me just turn on my TV and ESPN is there we're a little bit more direct in what we watch these days for instance lanterns like that's all my kids are talking about right is every Sunday night they know on HBO you're going to get a new episode of lanterns that isn't.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, HBO is my favorite channel and thus every time I turn the TV on, it's just whatever on HBO I'm watching, they're like, nope, I'm going to watch lanterns on this channel, then I'm going to watch this other show on this channel and it's very prescriptive.

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[SPEAKER_01]: There's no like background noise as much as it used to be.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, we when you remember, I mean, we would put ESPN on in the morning and leave it on through sports air through, you know, first take or whatever it was when it was woody page and there was actually being on air or no, through sports reporters when we could find it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yes, sports reporters on the weekends, you know, that stuff.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, the sports reporters, to me, it's where a lot of this is people aren't realizing too, is that they've had problems that their morning shows for a long time.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They're losing audience, this is why you're seeing talent cuts, this is why you're seeing this investment in Pac McAfee, because he created this huge audience on YouTube and in podcasting.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But at the same time, you got, look at all the competitors now.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You don't have to just leave it on ESPN and just go through your day and see who's yelling and screaming allowed us.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You can go to bar stool.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You can go to a local podcast and watch them for two to three hours talking about something that may be more eccentric to your sports days.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You can, you know, you can check out Garrett and listen and talk about the, you know, the goals they've outlined.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You can, you know, you can talk about the Bay Area Sports.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You can get something more for script as what you want as a sports fan.

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[SPEAKER_01]: the threes company channel on Pluto.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You just watch eight out of three companies.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'll watch a Susan all day long and John Rader gone blessed.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But you know, it

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's a huge thing to try to fight back against because it's like YouTube is like the thing people don't really talk about in this but it's the biggest player in the biggest monster of them all and that's that you know we can talk about all these different streaming apps and you know how Netflix is fighting with HBO Max and this and that and what's happened with Paramount and Warner Bros.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The fact of the matter is it's like you know the vast majority of the vast majority of people who are going to the screen right now are watching YouTube.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, here's a note watching us right now.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, watch this right now.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Here's a note from the heat is on media is going to look different in four years.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I completely agree it's the first thing that I thought when I read your piece is trying, you know, the people who are talking about this right now.

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[SPEAKER_01]: What WWE could start doing bonkers there if they catch a wave or if they figure out the marketing of that app or if ESPN itself can, you know, maybe they NFL comes back and then all of a sudden more people are watching ESPN unlimited for for WWE like all of these things are part of it, but also it's quite possible.

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[SPEAKER_01]: that the numbers that of people watching WWE right now in four years is the end might think holy shit that's actually a good number in four years.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I honestly how many people watching now?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, they may if they hold that on isn't they've had a history holding it they may turn around and say wow this is actually.

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[SPEAKER_00]: doing bought you know this is actually doing well for us this we like this number I mean look at that's kind of what I thought would happen with Fox and them because they weren't getting a four to five million or three to four million at the start they wanted but as they as the audience and as the product grew better they were holding up better and it was sticking out it was still very watch show on Friday night they were the number one show on on on television

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, for ever, like I, I really thought they would pull out of that, but they had no interest in doing it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, it didn't work for them advertising.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Sweet.

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[SPEAKER_02]: There.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, when I saw your thing was like, this app might not even exist in four years.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's probably, that's probably as likely to happen as anything.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They may just say, fold it and say heck with, I mean, how many dead apps do you have on like I was looking through my Apple TV event is like 2018, the day I'm like, good Lord, look at all these dead streaming apps that are on.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, I mean, the thing that you wrote about also is a lot of these subs are coming through the bundle.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Disney plus Hulu plus ESPN bundle at some point in time.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think Disney just wants it to

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[SPEAKER_01]: Disney, like I don't think they want to have a separate ESPN app and a separate Hulu app.

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[SPEAKER_01]: What they want is their biggest product to be the app home and then for ESPN and Hulu and whatever else they decide to buy to have like tiles on the app.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So it, like, but how do you, you know, if I'm

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[SPEAKER_01]: If I'm watching an NFL playoff game, am I going to think, oh yeah, I got to open up my Disney app.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They stuff to the education.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that stuff.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But if you open up your Disney app today, there's tons of stuff on there.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm like, man, you know, gone or the days of, you know, when my stepdaughter was younger, where the only thing we watched on there was Blueie, it's like, now everyone's watching reruns of how I make your mother.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And it's like, how can

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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, the other thing that I wanted to mention, uh, and you've already given us longer than, then, uh, we asked, so, uh, you got to get here in a second.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So,

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think the, if you want to lay a part of the blame on WWE, which I don't think that I think this is more of an ESPN problem than it is a WWE problem.

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[SPEAKER_01]: ESPN was not ready to roll with this thing in WWE is a little bit of a guinea pig.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Now, they're a very happy and fat guinea pig because they got paid so they are not blameless here.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But I think the problem, if you want to talk about the issue with WWE.

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[SPEAKER_01]: WWE has raw on Netflix.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They have smacked down on USA.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not even going to talk about NXT, but I, I, yes, guys, I know they have NXT.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They have the, the PLEs on ESPN, and they have what is ever left of Saturday night or Sunday night, made a vent on peacock.

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[SPEAKER_01]: and the problem is is out of all of those shows, those four shows, they treat them as if they are all the most important shows on in their calendar.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And so what you have are four shows that generally look

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[SPEAKER_01]: and sound and smell and are booked exactly the same.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So if I'm trying to distinguish the PLEs as like this is where all of our storylines kind of crust and then on the same PLE they're setting up a match for raw Netflix.

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[SPEAKER_01]: If I'm an ESPN only user and I don't have Netflix, I don't give a shit about what they're trying

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[SPEAKER_01]: on ESPN.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I think they have to do a much better job because these partnerships are so very important to them.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I think they're leaving a lot of the customers who don't have every single app where you can watch all of this content.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think they're leaving those people a little bit easier to go.

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[SPEAKER_01]: if I miss it I miss it so what and they cannot be that that way when you have all this content that these companies are paying you so so much money to because they value it and so that you know if I'm ESPN or netflix because the the one that we've heard most is netflix happy with these numbers right where we here that all the time and I look at it and I go

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, Netflix has what I would consider to be the A1 property.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Raw is just, you think, you think, WWE, you think, raw.

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[SPEAKER_01]: People still call PLE's paper views.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So ESPN maybe, maybe they can figure out the rebrand.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's me.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I still can't, I don't know.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.

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[SPEAKER_01]: If I have one to be able to do it, and if you're ESPN, you're probably thinking like, I know Russell Mania.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I know the Royal Rumble.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but you also have these Saudi Arabia shows that even the hardest of the hardcore fans are kind of like Saturday at 10 a.m.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I got my kids.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to watch that on my own time and maybe some some may not even even get to it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So if you're going to if you're one of those who are watching your

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, watching your, your budget and watching your bills, and it's coming up to September.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Uh, and you have to renew your ESPN, you're like, what's the September paper view?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, is that a Saudi Arabia one?

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[SPEAKER_01]: I might be out because I know they're not going to do anything on there.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, and then you're like, oh, I'll be back for real.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Rumble, it'll be back for WrestleMania.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I get two summer slams.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And so there may be way more picking and choosing with that stuff than we even realized because

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[SPEAKER_00]: their WWE is very much giving folks a reason to choose that's something I think that goes back to when they were making a lot of these deals and I remember somebody on Twitter and this is something that I've seen a lot of times it's like you put together the cost what it is to like follow all these shows just alone just the cost it was like 93 dollars a month and that's if you

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[SPEAKER_00]: you know, if you got sling for this, if you got peacock for this, if you got Netflix for this, if you got ESPN for this.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I think the thing that's missing from that discussion, like you said, is, you know, how much attention can you pay to?

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[SPEAKER_00]: And not everybody, some people are going to have some of that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So they're not going to be able to follow a lot of it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So they're priorities going to be on what they can watch.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So how's that affected by this?

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[SPEAKER_00]: These are all like new media questions that

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[SPEAKER_00]: And when you said this, I think this is something that I've said clear back when AEW was doing their last TV deal.

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[SPEAKER_00]: This is something I've had told him he repeatedly, back when I was getting the streaming numbers last year, like over two years ago now, is that this media environment as Paula said, you know, really well is going to change four or five times.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And instead of getting slower and doing it, it's getting faster.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We don't know what's going to happen with Paramount Warner Bros. We don't know what's going to happen with a lot of things in this environment.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I think that on top of that, you're dealing with, there's a ton of wrestling available right now to watch.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So you're kind of being challenged.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, ask somebody like a Sam Shipman or Dave Meltzer who watches every single show during the week.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I think I watched Martin either one of them.

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[SPEAKER_02]: God, I do it something you said something you said there though like when you talked about all the different services and how much it costs it forgot me to thinking the goal of WWE is to get their viewers to watch all of those shows and to pay that ninety three dollars.

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[SPEAKER_02]: The goal of the individual providers is to only get you to watch Netflix because they want you to watch everything else on Netflix.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And on ESPN, they want you to watch everything else on ESPN.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So there's competing goals that the broadcaster and the content provider have.

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[SPEAKER_02]: that isn't there with other rights fees in that.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So, you know, and what Garrett talked about, like, you know, WWE's trying to steer people on Netflix to ESPN, whereas Netflix doesn't really want that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So, that this is the difference between when you deal a sports deal because you know what you're getting.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm getting the AFC games.

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[SPEAKER_00]: This channel is getting NFC games.

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[SPEAKER_00]: or I'm getting a wild card and a playoffs or I'm gonna pay more and I'm gonna get the division or I'm gonna get the, you know, or you're getting a, you know, major league baseball.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, I'll get the regular season or we get the wild card or whatever.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Those are distinguished a little better and because it's sports, it's also different with wrestling, you know, these are creative properties.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So the,

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[SPEAKER_00]: The priority is going to be on whatever the company decides is the priority.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's like if you have, okay, let's say you have your CVS in the 2000s.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You just have lucky you got Tom Brady in Peyton Manning when almost all your games at one o'clock, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, it works a little differently in wrestling.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You control that and I guess what, your customer, the channel, the company is going to come to you and say, hey,

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[SPEAKER_00]: Why is a Cody Rhodes over here on Raw?

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[SPEAKER_00]: We want him more on SmackDown.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, I don't, you know, why don't we have this guy over here when you got this guy over here?

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, um, wise Roman Reigns here and not on here.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I think that is something that that's probably more of an issue than just been discussed.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think that's a great, that was a great insight and it's something that, you know, you know, I think about it as well.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's because it's like, okay, right now it's SmackDown definitely feels like the B show.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And, you know, why is that?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, Netflix is paying more money, but also

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, if you're USA, you're going to be like, hey, we've been with you for 40 years.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, what's to deal?

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, that's the something that I'm wondering.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's going to be hard for them to juggle in the future.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And, you know, it's also something of success.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, they've also had this thing where they got a lot of people willing to buy their stuff and they want a lot of it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And when you have all these brands of people wanting, you have all these shows.

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[SPEAKER_00]: People want their million to pay billions and billions of dollars as they showed.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, this is kind of, you know, one of the problems they have will success is that now they have to feed all these customers that and they have to give them all they all want the same amount of food on their plates, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Or somebody wants the most in most situations and I think that's what we're looking at is that that's going to come in issue soon and you know, and I think that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think another thing it's needs to be, you know, discuss with this whole thing is that you're seeing more and more TKO involvement with WWE over the last year.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, our Emmanuel and Marc Shapiro have even said that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And they're driving this like a private act where you venture capital company.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They're looking at maximizing everything.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So it's not really creative decisions.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's maximizing what they can get out now.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I think that's probably also having a factor here as well.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It might be coming after you next because they were down one penny today.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh boy, I don't think that was my fault.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I tell you what, if anybody reads me, he wants to do stuff, okay.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But, you know, the thing is,

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, this is just part of the changing media environment and this is going to go on and you know if they if they decided to boot ES if ESP and decided we don't have anything with WWE tomorrow and the next paper views or the next excuse me clearly there I go.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The air is going to be the last one guess what Nick cause is going to find them another fantastic deal of something else I mean that's the one thing they've proven throughout all this is that even the doubters like me who thought neighbors know where they're going to top deals they had four or five years ago they always managed to do it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And that's what happens when you're in this media environment and you're one of the few things you can guarantee millions of audience and they're going to be fine and

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think that, um, but I think this is all part of the changing media environment.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's just, there's going to be a lot less room, the maneuver.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You can't wait things out like you can.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think that's also another part of this too, is that, you know, that you're looking at Disney who's making all these shuffling and changes and things like that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And, you know, if they see some, it's not working, you're going to have to cut bait a little faster than you would have 10 years ago.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Let's end with this, and then we get you out of here.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The cost aspect of this is an interesting conversation, because you mentioned the NFL.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The NFL is built on broadcast television.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Now, they have other aspects of stuff.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like if you want, you know, if you want more, more, more, you can get more, more, more, more.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But Fox, CBSNBC, a lot of their prime time product is there.

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[SPEAKER_01]: only NXT, which I don't even really consider that important of a product, is the only one that is not on a cable or streaming service in the WWE ecosystem that used that they were doing NBC and NBC was like, now we're good.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We don't need to do this anymore.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And it's like, if, you know, if we're always trying to chase that young demographic and yet it costs more and more and more to watch our product, that's going to be hard because Paul has children who are, you know, of working age to buy their own stuff and to, and I have, you know, I have two kids as well.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I see how they spend their money.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They're not spending their money like me and having every streaming network possible because I just don't want to have to worry about the bill as big as I was by all of them.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'll get all of them.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They are very picky and choosey and go in like, hey, can I borrow your thing and I'm like, yeah, if you can get in, go for it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then Netflix locks them out.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They're like, oh, I can't get in anymore.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm like, sorry.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But like if you're trying to get a younger demographic, which I think everybody is trying to do, by putting everything on a price tier, it's almost impossible, I think.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I don't think they're going to be able to serve everything doing this.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think what they did is they took a calculated risk, which is not much of a calculated risk.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We're going to take you ever pay us the most damn money.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, there's no problem with that, you know, is in a business sense, but, you know, if you can deliver and, you know, for ESPN as a word, I Netflix, they've had issues, you know, they've had issues as well.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But those are more built in than you, that was going to happen.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But then also in a way they give it Netflix and audience, they're not strong in, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, blue collar males are not the feature audience for Netflix.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's more middle upper middle income females.

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[SPEAKER_00]: that that gives them something they didn't have before.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think that like you guys were talking about this and it's just something I'm going to get back to.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think when you get back to this and you go back and you look at all the press releases they released for the ultimate app when it came out.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And when you look at all the press releases that came out when they announced they had WWE, you will not find hardly any mention about how much it costs to purchase the app every month or how much the monthly fee was.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It was all about that will be available soon.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, that was that's the key thing here and what's happened with the app and and I think that's why I mean ESPN obviously like my story very much today in a comment and said it was

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, based this, and I'll tell you this, there's nothing I'm concrete about this story.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I do stand by my story and I say this is what's going on right now.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But it gets down to is that, you know, they just did not have this road out the correct way, and they weren't able to pick up the providers at the rates in the volume they needed.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And that's kind of the end of it, but like you said on when it comes to the demo and things like that, they're making it harder to get to access to their products and what people are hoping is that

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, when you lose eyeballs, we were just talking about this with the NHL moving the outdoor life, like they had to, or even when you saw SmackDown shift the FS1 on some Fridays, the number of eyeballs on your product matter, right, and I think that that's something they got to consider a little bit.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's going to be interesting because it's like, I mean, like you said, he knows if this app's going to be around in two, three, four, five years.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He knows if what's going to be around in two, three, four, five years.

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[SPEAKER_00]: This is definitely the most chaotic, me environment ever and, you know, I think this is just going to be part of it as this plays out.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We need the next version of me, you know, acrylic, and to say,

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[SPEAKER_01]: call your local cable companies now.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Don't get left out order a WrestleMania fine.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Hey, we still got we still got Tony Shivani.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We just need to get some cyclone fence set up.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, have somebody beat on it with the mid-Atlantic light sky blue background and, you know, call your cable company.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I came to the ticket master now.

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[SPEAKER_01]: This was awesome.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm glad I'm glad we're able to get you on.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I find this guy's I'm glad to be on.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I find this conversation more interesting than just spending anything in ring.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm so much more into the business side of things these days as a fan and we can have conversations like this and I just.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's just, well, you know, when we're talking about this thing, and you guys are very educated.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Call your, I've seen your stuff on social media, it's great.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I think that what when we're talking about this, it's not just wrestling, we're talking about, we're talking about culture, we're talking about how we interact with each other, how we share that culture, WWE's part of that culture, it's a very small part of it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And, you know, how it's distinguished how it's made up, I think it's fascinating for people.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And, um, because this gets in, I mean, you're talking about these companies, you know, Disney's Marvel, you know, Star Wars, WWE, um, NFL, NHL, you know, NBA, you know, not so much NHL and MLB anymore, but a little bit.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But, um, you know, these are all part of the big parts of our lives.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So that's why this, these stories matter.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I think that's why the business stories resonate with guys like us and with a lot of people out there.

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[SPEAKER_01]: All right, BJ Bethel, go check out his piece on SEC scoops and how often are you writing there these days?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, I just I hit there when I can, um, the this is coming week, uh, just the throughout a plug.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You can check out my sub stack at B-Belfel.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That sub set got calm.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I have an interview with John Sybil, he's a former ESPN news host in the ESPN host, the, uh, did sports center and some things back in the day was also an ESPN radio.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We're going to do it in a little.

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[SPEAKER_00]: talking about the Michigan football scandals to open up the college football season.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Also, if you go there, I'll be covering the American Idol and Murder Trials coming on on the Ohio area.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's kind of a dark way to end this.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, that's uh, it's been a story.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's really hit our area really hard.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And um, you know, in the Dayton area, and it's become kind of a national story.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But uh, if it's something you want to pay it, you know, if it's something that's

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[SPEAKER_00]: It didn't know you were in Dayton.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, sir.

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[SPEAKER_02]: That's why that's why my first entry into getting wrestling scoops online was news for Dayton.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Remember that guy?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, Rick.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, Rick.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I got the meet him at a film in memorial show.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I thought I was like, wow, this is somebody.

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[SPEAKER_00]: This is the first famous person I've ever met.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, yeah, he was like way more famous to me than Dave Meltzer at the time.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, Dave was some, yeah, Dave was some guy that you just heard about.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He was in the series of the newsletters.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Rick was on he had a website.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: What's that?

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[SPEAKER_01]: What's the idol story?

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I used to.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I used to.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We had a.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So there's a mommy living at teacher.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He was a.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So former American Idol contestant, you know, this was back in the 2010s.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think, uh, he was American Idol and he's a pastor in our area and, um, he, uh, he's accused of murdering his wife.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He was a beloved social substitute teacher in the Dayton area.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And it's been kind of a national story.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's the Ashley Flynn's story.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There's a lot of true climb logs and things like that dedicated to it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Wow.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's been a lot of Facebook stuff.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I've been helping cover it for a couple of local outlets just to, you know, it's been a hard story to keep the facts straight on, especially when you got.

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[SPEAKER_00]: you know, somebody grifting true crime podcasters, right, right, you know, do things and you got things out of control.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But, you know, crimes kind of my area, and it's something I take seriously and that kind of work.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And it's something I'm more used to.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And that's why I don't mind the trolls so much as it's a kind of stuff.

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[SPEAKER_00]: This is a kind of stuff I usually cover, but yeah, it's a sad story, but I think it's an important one.

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[SPEAKER_00]: If that's something that you know, you know, people want to check out, yeah, come to my sub-steck.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'll, the trials post start in two weeks unless they come to a plea agreement, but right now they haven't been talking about that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So we'll see what's coming up.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But for a happier note, you can listen to me and John Sybil on the same site, trash, Michigan football.

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[SPEAKER_01]: All right man appreciate you jumping on.

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[SPEAKER_01]: This was great.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Take care have a good rest of your evening.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Thanks guys.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I appreciate it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: All right.

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[SPEAKER_01]: All right.

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[SPEAKER_01]: DJ Bethel.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Now we got to talk about some actual wrestling.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, entering elite wrestling.

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[SPEAKER_01]: All right, we did a, we did a, I asked Paul to put the AEW card in three categories.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The three categories and equally, by the way, because I think they're only nine actual matches in the main card right now, which probably, I don't know, I hope it doesn't change but it might change.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Two is, and three is, I'm not that into this match.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I kind of wanted to see how closely our lists would align because I had a little bit of a problem with two trying to figure out which one to put them in.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So, okay, they're kind of on the border, but,

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[SPEAKER_02]: Well, what let's just where was Omega and Osprey on your list.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's in my most.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Me too.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We can get that one out of the way.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It is, um, you know, I think it's going to be a review of strictly the in-ring.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm not into the build at all.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But yeah, um, the in-ring.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I just know it's going to be like one of the best matches I've ever seen.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, it's I think it's an easy one that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think, I think a lot of the, you know, I will say there's going to be a segment of the people watching who are going to say

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[SPEAKER_01]: They may have overstayed their welcome or, you know, this extra spot here there probably wasn't necessary.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, because they're just going to try and go as far as they can and they're going to try and have the greatest match of all time.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm sure.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But I'm with you on that one.

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[SPEAKER_01]: What else, what's the next match that was in your must?

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[SPEAKER_02]: So the one that I was most certain of was Willow and Mercedes.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm with you.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And okay, this one for me is less about how good I think the match is going to be.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I agree with that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: What I'm more concerned about.

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[SPEAKER_01]: is.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And this is one that I would change the finish of what I think we all think is going to happen, which is Mercedes wins out of action.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think we're also going to win.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I hope willow wins.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Because I think I think there's a story here with Mercedes not being able to win the big one that they can stretch out for a couple years.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And when she finally wins it, she'll do it as a baby face.

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[SPEAKER_02]: you are one of the few who thinks Will is going to win this one by the way.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Well, I, I, I don't really care anyone else.

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[SPEAKER_01]: No, I, well, I'm with you because, and I, I, I'm with you for a different reason, though.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think Willow has the highest upside.

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[SPEAKER_01]: of almost anyone in the company, somebody who's over, but could possibly be over like crazy over.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, like if you're talking like more like upside higher than where they currently are, I'd agree with that.

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[SPEAKER_02]: She had, I think like, I think like MJF probably has a higher upside, but he's already the top guy.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, he's already great.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Willow, Willow could be like their rear ripply though.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Willow is somebody who is pushed

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[SPEAKER_01]: like somebody who is well liked, but not pushed as the top wrestler in the company.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I think she can be.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think she can be.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Possibly even the best spokesperson she's so charming.

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[SPEAKER_01]: She's got such a great attitude.

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[SPEAKER_01]: She's got a great story I don't know why she you know we had this whole situation where Tony storm is out And so we have this kind of this hole at the top Mercedes hadn't come back yet, you know, I thought Tecla did a great job.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yep

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[SPEAKER_01]: I was like shoot willow to the moon like as much as you and and you know they they've hesitated in doing that though she's been pushed very well.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I just think

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[SPEAKER_01]: She can be one of the bigger stars in the night.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I didn't really see it with her.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, I've always liked her, but I didn't see it with her at the level that you're talking about until the build for this match.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So this is one where it's like the exact opposite of Kenny Will.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Like Kenny Will, I was excited day one.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And if anything, I may be a little bit less excited now than I was, you know, the day it became apparent it was going to be announced.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Willow and Mercedes, every time they're doing anything, I'm getting more and more excited for the match.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So I think the build for that has been incredible.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Alright, what is your next one?

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[SPEAKER_02]: What is your last in the top three?

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[SPEAKER_02]: So yeah, I'm going back and forth and I will say there's a caveat that I would change this if what I think is going to happen on dynamite happens.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Uh, with one of the ones I have in my middle tier, but I will say the casino gauntlet.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And mainly it's because more about the who's going to show up, you know, like, you know, and hopefully I'm not disappointed, but usually they they give you some good surprises in this one.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And I also I'm, I don't know who's going to win like my brain says mjf, but the build says on drottie and it could be somebody else entirely, you know, not or not going to have a match for this fake built are we.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I know I think we're going to get, so if MJF wins, I think we're going to get a ladder match at all out.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And I think MJF has it in his head that he wants to have the greatest ladder match of all time because he's had the greatest Iron Man match of all time.

51:31.997 --> 51:33.578
[SPEAKER_02]: He had the greatest doll collar match of all time.

51:33.598 --> 51:35.499
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, you know, like he, this is his gimmick.

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[SPEAKER_02]: He's brought it up before, especially in interviews.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So it's more of almost like a behind-the-scenes thing.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So I could see him doing, you know, Kim and Kenny doing a ladder match at all

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[SPEAKER_02]: Um, it seems soon for that, but you know, they can always come back to it, even him and Max are him and Kenny.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, sorry, him and will.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, will him and will.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, him and will.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, him and will.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Sorry.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Good.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yep.

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[SPEAKER_02]: There.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Obviously.

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[SPEAKER_02]: We both think will.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It's going to win.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_01]: My third is kind of for the same reason as your third or at least my last must see match.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And it's not because of the match at all.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not into a multi multi person trio's match.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I just want to see what the hell happens into with new day.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I want

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[SPEAKER_01]: how much the AW crowd cheers for these dudes.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And be where they are positioned in this match because this is a tag team scene that is actually really loaded right now.

52:38.678 --> 52:49.168
[SPEAKER_01]: So, you know, this is not, you remember when actually New Day hosted this WrestleMania, a member when the hearty's came back in, was it Orlando?

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think so.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And it was like the hardies are back.

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[SPEAKER_02]: They haven't been here in a long time and it was great.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_02]: All the rest of the bucks on a ring of honor show the same weekend, right?

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[SPEAKER_02]: Because yeah, I day before I think.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then because the tag team scene in WWE is not that important, they're just kind of there after the fact now here, because the tag team scene is is kind of hot right now.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think the new day,

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[SPEAKER_01]: Where they land and how over they get and how big they feel, I think that's a big it's a big point that I'm just so interested in seeing so that's that's my third but not even really for the match

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[SPEAKER_02]: So I'm like, I have any of my bottom one actually and it's mostly just because of the fact that we don't even know who's in the match and I feel like there's too many teams in the match and I just wish it was I wish it was just going to be the good about the ugly against Swerv and two mystery partners.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Like to me that would be I would be I would definitely have that in my most if it was and all Swirb needs to do is you have a line where they go well you need partners and then they said who's your partner And then not a says who who who that's it that's all you need to do you don't have to announce it that's it

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[SPEAKER_01]: And everybody, every WEE doesn't have who trademarked, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think you can trademark who.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, who's ours?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Who?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Exactly.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Exactly.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think it'll work.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And I think that's coming.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I thought it was going to happen last week on Dynamite when they did that backstage promo.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But it's got to happen tomorrow.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I hope so.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, and let's say just show up.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, you know, that would be the worst in my opinion, but, you know, they don't need to.

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[SPEAKER_02]: They're not going to sell.

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[SPEAKER_02]: They're not going to sell a single ticket.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So it's more about a pop.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know that I would agree.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You think there's anybody in London right now that's on the fence, and then they hear new days going to be, oh, I got to get a ticket now.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, maybe, but I can't I think there are folks who are like, if we get new day,

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to go and it's not 5,000 people to take them over 50.

54:59.954 --> 55:08.205
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it's not that many, but I think if you would have announced it a month ago, you might have got that, but maybe not like 3, 2, 3 days ahead of time.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, so what is now the the first match on your list so and I almost put this in my top one, but it's Kevin night and Darby Allen and the reason is is because I don't think it's going to be Kevin night and Darby Allen.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, I think the angle they did last week, now again, I haven't seen collision yet.

55:29.839 --> 55:32.882
[SPEAKER_02]: So maybe something happened on collision, the contradict where I think this is going.

55:33.362 --> 55:36.785
[SPEAKER_02]: But I think that Darby Allen is not going to be medically cleared.

55:37.546 --> 55:42.730
[SPEAKER_02]: And Steve Borden is going to step in and face Kevin night for the title and you can win the title.

55:42.950 --> 55:44.232
[SPEAKER_01]: That kid's going to shoot his pants.

55:44.633 --> 55:46.315
[SPEAKER_01]: First of all, he'll be fine.

55:46.455 --> 55:47.216
[SPEAKER_02]: He'll be fine.

55:47.276 --> 55:51.522
[SPEAKER_02]: He'll have, you know, I've, you know, Kevin Nightwalking him through it.

55:51.542 --> 55:52.484
[SPEAKER_02]: They're smoking mirrors.

55:52.544 --> 55:53.105
[SPEAKER_02]: It's a false name.

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[SPEAKER_02]: His pops has to be there, though.

55:55.228 --> 55:56.069
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, of course.

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[SPEAKER_02]: His pops going to be there.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Derby's going to be there, too.

55:58.672 --> 56:01.595
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, you know, so yeah, I, that's what I think is going to happen.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Now, if that, if that, if that actually happens, I'm bumping it up and replacing it with the casino gauntlet and I'm putting it in my top tier because that'll be the one and I'll be like almost most fired up for it because I really like I've never seen Steve board like I know other people have I've never seen a lot of people were confused about that segment.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, really?

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Where they could use the boat.

56:20.608 --> 56:31.075
[SPEAKER_01]: They wouldn't use as to why he was just staring a whole through the other guy and why they did that long stare and like, I don't mean supposed to be worried about Derby.

56:31.115 --> 56:34.757
[SPEAKER_01]: Like Derby looks like he's going to die and now we're supposed to pay attention to support.

56:34.777 --> 56:38.260
[SPEAKER_01]: Like the, I know some people, I, I understood it.

56:38.360 --> 56:38.780
[SPEAKER_01]: I was like,

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I didn't listen to any coverage of this.

56:42.581 --> 56:46.301
[SPEAKER_02]: I did my show and then I'm so far behind in wrestling.

56:46.801 --> 56:50.102
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, I'm, I haven't even finished watching the ring of honor paper beat yet.

56:50.842 --> 56:52.522
[SPEAKER_02]: So, well, it's, I mean, it's five hours, man.

56:53.103 --> 56:53.463
[SPEAKER_01]: I know.

56:53.483 --> 56:54.803
[SPEAKER_01]: I am halfway through it.

56:54.823 --> 56:55.883
[SPEAKER_01]: And I've watched nine matches.

56:57.023 --> 56:58.023
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not joking.

56:58.984 --> 57:02.404
[SPEAKER_01]: So my first middle tier is Ocada, Takesha and Kyle, Fletcher.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I think some people think like, how could that possibly be a middle tier?

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[SPEAKER_01]: it's going to be a great match.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Some of this, I will admit, has to do with the idea of triple threat.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not a giant triple threat wrestling fan.

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[SPEAKER_01]: There have been some amazing triple threat matches, by the way.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't like the aspect of it.

57:23.035 --> 57:31.441
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't like the way that you can kind of finagle the rules to get pops and to get trick people and the kickouts and stuff like I would

57:33.922 --> 57:36.824
[SPEAKER_01]: Of course, this match is going to be pretty amazing.

57:36.844 --> 57:38.105
[SPEAKER_01]: These guys have great timing.

57:38.625 --> 57:39.786
[SPEAKER_01]: They have great chemistry.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think they're an interesting spots because Ocata is a little bit of a gatekeeper.

57:48.151 --> 57:57.477
[SPEAKER_01]: Fletcher is should technically be on his way up, but the top tier is a little fat right now.

57:57.557 --> 57:57.978
[SPEAKER_01]: So maybe

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[SPEAKER_01]: from a wrestling perspective, he should definitely be in the top tier of the men's division, but he's not a fantastic promo.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I find him to have an interesting charisma.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know if I would say that he's it crazily charismatic.

58:16.823 --> 58:19.324
[SPEAKER_01]: He's charismatic in the ring for sure.

58:19.424 --> 58:21.185
[SPEAKER_01]: I just don't know outside the ring.

58:21.525 --> 58:28.810
[SPEAKER_01]: So it's going to be interesting to see him and flutter and kind of like how they work in parallel over these next few years.

58:29.649 --> 58:38.075
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I don't think putting to Kesto with the conglomeration did him any favors that kind of slots him.

58:38.556 --> 58:42.639
[SPEAKER_02]: And yeah, for me, I think I'm strictly rating it on inring.

58:42.679 --> 58:43.779
[SPEAKER_02]: It's definitely in my top tier.

58:43.819 --> 58:47.822
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, I'm pretty confident it's going to be probably one of the two or three best matches on the show.

58:47.882 --> 58:50.624
[SPEAKER_02]: But I'm just like, it's the builds for me.

58:50.784 --> 58:54.027
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, I haven't really been, they've done the bare minimum.

58:54.427 --> 58:55.587
[SPEAKER_02]: you know, which is fine.

58:55.647 --> 58:59.709
[SPEAKER_02]: It's not a negative, but it's almost like, yeah, we all knew this match was going to happen.

58:59.769 --> 59:04.150
[SPEAKER_02]: They threw a couple of teases in there and then once to catch it was done with the G1, he showed back up.

59:04.570 --> 59:11.652
[SPEAKER_02]: I also didn't like the fact that in the promo, trying to build this co-fletcher reminds us that he lost in the G1.

59:11.992 --> 59:15.513
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, you don't need to mention that, just, you know, like, you know, oh, he's a loser.

59:15.613 --> 59:15.833
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Great.

59:16.874 --> 59:17.654
[SPEAKER_02]: You're going to be the loser.

59:17.894 --> 59:18.154
[SPEAKER_01]: Cool.

59:21.175 --> 59:23.876
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I was going to stay in the Don callous family.

59:23.896 --> 59:25.597
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yeah, 100% chance.

59:25.697 --> 59:26.298
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I love it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, caught us great.

59:28.759 --> 59:29.279
[SPEAKER_01]: My next.

59:29.799 --> 59:30.620
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, no, you're next.

59:30.680 --> 59:31.000
[SPEAKER_01]: You're next.

59:31.020 --> 59:33.021
[SPEAKER_01]: What's your next middle tier?

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, that wasn't my middle tier.

59:35.062 --> 59:35.302
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.

59:35.322 --> 59:37.123
[SPEAKER_02]: So that's my next one.

59:37.143 --> 59:39.124
[SPEAKER_02]: My middle tier was divine dominion and Braumers.

59:40.264 --> 59:41.945
[SPEAKER_01]: I wanted that to be in my middle tier.

59:43.346 --> 59:47.168
[SPEAKER_01]: I really like the stuff that they've done.

59:48.437 --> 59:55.765
[SPEAKER_01]: Jamie Hader looks like she's inspired as all hell to wreak havoc in the ring.

59:55.805 --> 01:00:04.213
[SPEAKER_01]: And I think you know if you're if you're looking for story lines and you're looking for people who may come out better after the show is over.

01:00:04.253 --> 01:00:06.415
[SPEAKER_01]: I think she's one of the people that I would kind of circle.

01:00:08.280 --> 01:00:12.783
[SPEAKER_01]: I think she's quite a bit better than Alex Windsor, but I like Alex Windsor as well.

01:00:12.803 --> 01:00:22.090
[SPEAKER_01]: I just think Jamie Hater is kind of like the total package and she was missing was kind of the new character and the way that she fit in.

01:00:22.590 --> 01:00:30.556
[SPEAKER_01]: And this is the best version of the current version of Jamie Hater I think and I really enjoy it and I think they're gonna do some of it.

01:00:30.656 --> 01:00:34.839
[SPEAKER_01]: It's in my lower tier but only because it's probably gonna be

01:00:36.435 --> 01:00:48.294
[SPEAKER_01]: One of the worst matches now, they may do little smoke and mirrors with the brawl aspect of it, which could be fun, but from an inring wrestling standpoint, you know, that they're not going to be.

01:00:50.451 --> 01:00:53.472
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, it's not, it's not going to be the best of the best.

01:00:53.572 --> 01:00:55.033
[SPEAKER_01]: You got too many other good, good match.

01:00:55.053 --> 01:01:02.975
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, like if you look at the lineup, I mean, it almost can't help be the worst in ring match, but it's still connected being like a four star match.

01:01:03.116 --> 01:01:04.656
[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm sure I'm going to love the story.

01:01:04.716 --> 01:01:06.157
[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm going to love the hard hitting.

01:01:06.377 --> 01:01:15.280
[SPEAKER_02]: And I just hope that they, I think people are going to love this match, you know, like I think they're going to, they could have a match to blows away expectations and still be the worst match on the show.

01:01:15.860 --> 01:01:20.107
[SPEAKER_02]: Like that's how good the rest of the line up is like that's you know that's that's what you're talking about.

01:01:20.207 --> 01:01:25.775
[SPEAKER_01]: So the last in my middle tier I got to go with my old guys I got to go with coping cage.

01:01:27.158 --> 01:01:28.299
[SPEAKER_01]: On this stage.

01:01:30.350 --> 01:01:37.834
[SPEAKER_01]: I think Adam Copeland, I don't know about Christian Cage because he's always sort of in character, but I think stuff like this just means so much to Adam Copeland.

01:01:38.634 --> 01:01:44.337
[SPEAKER_01]: The bucks on a big stage, they're going to have a great performance.

01:01:44.477 --> 01:01:46.378
[SPEAKER_01]: I note no doubt about that.

01:01:46.538 --> 01:01:50.800
[SPEAKER_01]: I would, and I like this match better than some of the other matchups because

01:01:56.908 --> 01:02:14.209
[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm not saying choreographed, meaning they're practicing all of the moves, but sometimes when you have these young bucks matches, especially against like Osperr or something like, you're just like, okay, they're just doing counters and counters and counters and then posing and then everything's in rhythm and it looks like more of a dance than like a fight.

01:02:14.990 --> 01:02:19.392
[SPEAKER_01]: I think we'll get a fight in this match and I think that it's going to be pretty good now.

01:02:19.412 --> 01:02:28.695
[SPEAKER_01]: It's not going to probably not going to be one of the best young bucks matches because you got two dudes who are over 50 in the ring who are going to work hard, but they're just not going to.

01:02:29.799 --> 01:02:34.884
[SPEAKER_01]: be the same style that we see in some of these higher rated matches.

01:02:35.185 --> 01:02:36.266
[SPEAKER_01]: But I do think it's going to be good.

01:02:36.706 --> 01:02:44.814
[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm just more into this version of Adam Copeland, who knows that his wrestling days are kind of behind him.

01:02:44.854 --> 01:02:48.158
[SPEAKER_01]: And he's got a handful of matches left.

01:02:48.238 --> 01:02:49.379
[SPEAKER_01]: He's going to start probably

01:02:53.703 --> 01:02:58.144
[SPEAKER_01]: and I'll probably laugh about that, but I think this is kind of like one of those meaningful ones.

01:02:58.504 --> 01:02:59.704
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, here you can skip it.

01:03:00.024 --> 01:03:03.845
[SPEAKER_01]: But I think it's going to be one of those like real meaningful ones to a guy like him.

01:03:03.885 --> 01:03:06.786
[SPEAKER_01]: So that's that's partly what I'm interested in.

01:03:07.086 --> 01:03:10.707
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I have that one in my low tier, and I mean, it's all because of Copeland.

01:03:10.947 --> 01:03:17.328
[SPEAKER_02]: I, I just, if I could have a magic wand and not that I would want to wish Will Will on anyone,

01:03:18.028 --> 01:03:34.428
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, the old thing about the how baseball they have the fan to my L if I could put one wrestler on the fan to my L on this card, it would be it would be Copeland like I would you replace them with I don't care anybody like I just I don't want to Well, we're part of a cage.

01:03:34.448 --> 01:03:36.050
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, why not, uh, Perry.

01:03:36.656 --> 01:03:41.797
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, like, I don't know, you're Jack Perry and Chris and Kage that'd be cool.

01:03:41.837 --> 01:03:42.577
[SPEAKER_02]: Nick way would be cool.

01:03:42.897 --> 01:03:43.477
[SPEAKER_02]: But yeah, no.

01:03:43.538 --> 01:03:45.738
[SPEAKER_02]: And so I just I'm not interested in it at all.

01:03:45.858 --> 01:03:47.418
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm sure it's going to be great match.

01:03:47.438 --> 01:03:49.539
[SPEAKER_02]: Like the bucks can't help but have a great match.

01:03:50.539 --> 01:03:58.641
[SPEAKER_02]: But I just yeah, I have it in my lowest tier and I think I'd be a little more interested in if like FTR was in it and maybe that's where we're going next.

01:03:59.341 --> 01:04:04.102
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, I mean, FTR was like young books at best tag team of all time, man.

01:04:05.079 --> 01:04:12.083
[SPEAKER_01]: a lot of I think a lot of the people who thought FTR were real ones were pretty upset at those comments.

01:04:12.603 --> 01:04:16.345
[SPEAKER_01]: I saw some crazy lists by the rest of them on the weekend, didn't they?

01:04:16.425 --> 01:04:17.846
[SPEAKER_01]: I think I don't know.

01:04:17.886 --> 01:04:18.586
[SPEAKER_01]: I think they're a bad thing.

01:04:18.606 --> 01:04:19.527
[SPEAKER_01]: They wrestle the good brothers.

01:04:20.747 --> 01:04:23.589
[SPEAKER_01]: I saw some of the craziest lists like

01:04:24.767 --> 01:04:26.948
[SPEAKER_01]: the road dog and Billy gun.

01:04:26.969 --> 01:04:37.476
[SPEAKER_01]: I was like, what, like, those guys were, those guys were a tag team for what, like a year and a half, like a lot longer than that.

01:04:37.496 --> 01:04:40.778
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, but like, it's not like they would have their DNA on a match is.

01:04:41.780 --> 01:04:47.144
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, yeah, I'm thinking of in their pro, you know, but you add it to their, even in WWE, I think it's longer than you say.

01:04:47.164 --> 01:04:49.165
[SPEAKER_02]: I feel like they got split up and like nine.

01:04:49.185 --> 01:04:52.167
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, they did, like they split up and back together, split up back together.

01:04:52.227 --> 01:04:57.290
[SPEAKER_02]: But they same with the edge and Christian actually, like they were only together as a tag team for like maybe two and a half years.

01:04:57.330 --> 01:04:58.331
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, for sure.

01:04:58.351 --> 01:04:58.531
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

01:04:58.811 --> 01:04:59.472
[SPEAKER_02]: So, um,

01:05:00.432 --> 01:05:10.978
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I don't see it as this legendary match that everyone talks about, but I know the guys involved do and I'm sure they're going to do whatever they can to have the best possible match they can.

01:05:11.038 --> 01:05:23.646
[SPEAKER_02]: And, you know, it's another one that could steal the show like again, if I go in with low expectations, I'll probably please my last my last of the middle tier is the gauntlet stuff I just for me, like this is under utilization of mjf.

01:05:23.926 --> 01:05:28.349
[SPEAKER_01]: I, even though they have the Andrade stuff in, I know there's going to be surprises.

01:05:28.710 --> 01:05:33.993
[SPEAKER_01]: There's also going to be moments where people want to do spots instead of trying pin and win the match.

01:05:34.314 --> 01:05:35.174
[SPEAKER_01]: That stuff's going to matter.

01:05:35.194 --> 01:05:36.315
[SPEAKER_02]: That's in your middle tier that one.

01:05:36.575 --> 01:05:38.156
[SPEAKER_01]: That is the last of my middle tier.

01:05:38.677 --> 01:05:38.997
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, okay.

01:05:39.097 --> 01:05:39.357
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.

01:05:39.797 --> 01:05:41.078
[SPEAKER_02]: So, yeah.

01:05:41.299 --> 01:05:41.879
[SPEAKER_02]: So we, okay.

01:05:41.899 --> 01:05:46.682
[SPEAKER_02]: So yeah, and I had it in my, in my most, but I, I might, like I switched that with night and Darby.

01:05:46.762 --> 01:05:51.286
[SPEAKER_02]: If, if night and Darby is on my bottom tier, and do you know why?

01:05:55.560 --> 01:06:00.683
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't want to see the match that makes me go, okay, what the fuck are they doing?

01:06:00.723 --> 01:06:01.664
[SPEAKER_01]: Why are they doing this?

01:06:01.804 --> 01:06:04.846
[SPEAKER_01]: So do you think there's any chance that Darby actually isn't wrestling?

01:06:05.626 --> 01:06:09.808
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, that's the first time I actually thought about it is when you said it, oh, okay.

01:06:10.149 --> 01:06:15.512
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I mean, I am, like I said, I haven't listened to any feedback, but that was my instant thought on Wednesday night when I saw it.

01:06:15.572 --> 01:06:20.095
[SPEAKER_02]: So again, I haven't seen collisions, so maybe, you know, for all I know, Darby's fine.

01:06:20.475 --> 01:06:24.077
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, you know, you know, Darby, like he's a freaking rubber band.

01:06:24.757 --> 01:06:34.609
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, but yeah, I just I thought there's a reason they did that and there's a reason they focused on Steve Gordon, you know, and at first I thought he's going to turn on him and then that, you know, that's some fed brain.

01:06:35.189 --> 01:06:38.833
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, as Dave called you that yet.

01:06:38.894 --> 01:06:40.956
[SPEAKER_02]: No, he's in the he would never call me that because he knows I'm not.

01:06:41.757 --> 01:06:43.819
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, but yeah, so.

01:06:45.781 --> 01:06:50.423
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, the other one sounds like we both have the C3 final in yeah, mocks and Nigel.

01:06:50.443 --> 01:06:55.725
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm just like, is that what's going to be I mean, I, I'm guessing and I mean, it's in you.

01:06:55.865 --> 01:06:57.606
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't even know, I watch the live.

01:06:57.706 --> 01:06:58.646
[SPEAKER_02]: Have watched collision yet.

01:06:58.706 --> 01:07:01.548
[SPEAKER_02]: So I assume Claudio did Claudio be Danny.

01:07:01.828 --> 01:07:02.548
[SPEAKER_01]: I think he did.

01:07:02.568 --> 01:07:09.151
[SPEAKER_02]: I didn't want to be in the other, but I think he's so it'll be we'll probably get Claudio and mocks Claudio and mocks is definitely tomorrow.

01:07:09.851 --> 01:07:10.191
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, it is.

01:07:10.391 --> 01:07:10.851
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.

01:07:11.011 --> 01:07:14.633
[SPEAKER_01]: And and Kyle and and oh, see Nigel.

01:07:15.552 --> 01:07:16.693
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, and Nigel.

01:07:16.753 --> 01:07:17.033
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.

01:07:17.213 --> 01:07:18.194
[SPEAKER_02]: So Kyle and Nigel.

01:07:18.674 --> 01:07:21.536
[SPEAKER_02]: So you know what that tells me it's gone out there.

01:07:21.556 --> 01:07:21.796
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.

01:07:21.816 --> 01:07:23.897
[SPEAKER_02]: That's hmm.

01:07:24.627 --> 01:07:31.472
[SPEAKER_02]: I thought we were going to get mocks and I thought we're going to get mocks and Kyle in the in the semi finals.

01:07:32.292 --> 01:07:34.414
[SPEAKER_02]: So we could get mocks and Kyle in the finals.

01:07:34.474 --> 01:07:34.634
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

01:07:35.915 --> 01:07:36.155
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

01:07:36.735 --> 01:07:36.935
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

01:07:37.015 --> 01:07:38.316
[SPEAKER_01]: I still think it's going to be Nigel.

01:07:38.336 --> 01:07:40.698
[SPEAKER_02]: Didn't I do too, but that that's interesting.

01:07:40.738 --> 01:07:43.660
[SPEAKER_02]: Because that makes me think maybe it is maybe it is Kyle.

01:07:43.700 --> 01:07:46.182
[SPEAKER_02]: And well, I think that's what they want you to think, right?

01:07:46.222 --> 01:07:46.582
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, okay.

01:07:46.602 --> 01:07:47.022
[SPEAKER_01]: Because yeah.

01:07:47.202 --> 01:07:51.765
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, they just they go, oh, they're, you know, mocks wants to be Kyle

01:07:55.751 --> 01:07:57.596
[SPEAKER_02]: because Claudio be him in the C2.

01:07:58.610 --> 01:07:58.790
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

01:07:58.890 --> 01:08:00.530
[SPEAKER_02]: So totally fine.

01:08:00.650 --> 01:08:02.471
[SPEAKER_01]: And we're going to get a lot of you and Nigel.

01:08:02.491 --> 01:08:03.611
[SPEAKER_01]: I think it's pretty good looking.

01:08:03.691 --> 01:08:04.351
[SPEAKER_02]: So yeah.

01:08:04.371 --> 01:08:04.571
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

01:08:04.591 --> 01:08:05.272
[SPEAKER_02]: It's it's all right.

01:08:05.312 --> 01:08:06.452
[SPEAKER_02]: I just I've not I don't care.

01:08:06.492 --> 01:08:10.973
[SPEAKER_02]: It's like as you pointed out, it's it's John Oxley and his bunch of Mary mid-carders.

01:08:12.073 --> 01:08:13.694
[SPEAKER_01]: So it was it's what the whole tournament was.

01:08:13.854 --> 01:08:14.314
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh my god.

01:08:14.914 --> 01:08:16.174
[SPEAKER_02]: You didn't see the ROH baby.

01:08:16.194 --> 01:08:16.754
[SPEAKER_02]: Obviously right.

01:08:16.814 --> 01:08:17.574
[SPEAKER_01]: No way.

01:08:17.955 --> 01:08:20.275
[SPEAKER_01]: You know that I'm that I shouldn't have said it that way.

01:08:20.295 --> 01:08:21.615
[SPEAKER_01]: That's I know I know what you mean.

01:08:21.775 --> 01:08:24.876
[SPEAKER_01]: I saw the five hour thing and I was like, Oh my god.

01:08:24.916 --> 01:08:27.257
[SPEAKER_01]: So did you did you hear that moxley did commentary?

01:08:28.837 --> 01:08:29.958
[SPEAKER_02]: did you hear what he said?

01:08:29.978 --> 01:08:30.538
[SPEAKER_02]: No.

01:08:31.839 --> 01:08:38.543
[SPEAKER_02]: So he's commenting the four-way women's match and there's more than this, but these are the two that stick with me.

01:08:38.863 --> 01:08:41.444
[SPEAKER_02]: He's he's rooting for Marina, like he's just there.

01:08:41.524 --> 01:08:42.505
[SPEAKER_02]: He's a cheerleader, right?

01:08:43.165 --> 01:08:47.328
[SPEAKER_02]: And and and Sky Blue has been teeming with her, so he's four to Sky Blue.

01:08:48.288 --> 01:08:56.615
[SPEAKER_02]: So Sky Blue churns on Marina in the match and night and moxley gets up and he screams, you sneaky bitch!

01:08:58.916 --> 01:09:11.146
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh my god, and then he's he's all fired up and he's up and he's he's got his chair that he's been sitting on and the camera's on him and he's holding his chair and he's like he looks at Ian and he's like, I could probably sell this chair.

01:09:11.686 --> 01:09:13.508
[SPEAKER_02]: I bet you somebody in the crowd give me $50 for it.

01:09:18.015 --> 01:09:34.857
[SPEAKER_02]: guys out of his mind he should have said should have yelled at Skyblue it's not a kill it's a skirt like yeah yeah no he was he was great like great but he's every bit looker booker tea like I mean it's you know but but

01:09:36.058 --> 01:09:38.561
[SPEAKER_02]: more entertaining because, you know, it's a one-off.

01:09:38.961 --> 01:09:48.449
[SPEAKER_01]: If he was doing this every week, because he's trying to do that and I think Booker is trying to do a lot of that, too, but he's not trying to do it all the time.

01:09:48.730 --> 01:09:51.392
[SPEAKER_02]: So the difference with the is, is Moxie's an actual fan.

01:09:51.592 --> 01:09:53.674
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, he actually follows the storylines.

01:09:53.714 --> 01:09:57.117
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, he's at every single show.

01:09:57.377 --> 01:09:57.597
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

01:09:57.738 --> 01:10:00.200
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, he didn't need to be at this R-8 show.

01:10:00.240 --> 01:10:02.101
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, why don't you have the weekend off, you know?

01:10:02.962 --> 01:10:03.403
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, he's a sick.

01:10:03.483 --> 01:10:04.063
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, he's a sick.

01:10:04.103 --> 01:10:04.424
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, man.

01:10:04.464 --> 01:10:05.705
[SPEAKER_02]: He's, I mean, he's great.

01:10:05.765 --> 01:10:06.045
[SPEAKER_02]: It's great.

01:10:06.105 --> 01:10:06.606
[SPEAKER_01]: All right.

01:10:06.626 --> 01:10:11.070
[SPEAKER_01]: Let's spend five minutes on this CM Punk and I didn't.

01:10:11.451 --> 01:10:12.191
[SPEAKER_01]: I didn't.

01:10:12.272 --> 01:10:13.373
[SPEAKER_01]: I'll just tell the folks.

01:10:13.393 --> 01:10:18.658
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I didn't watch it because my, I suspected that we were going to get.

01:10:20.525 --> 01:10:23.468
[SPEAKER_01]: Gaga and not a clean finish.

01:10:24.169 --> 01:10:28.133
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and I was going to watch it if somebody told me different.

01:10:28.894 --> 01:10:32.318
[SPEAKER_01]: I figured it was going to be a good match and I heard it was a really, really good match.

01:10:32.338 --> 01:10:32.498
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

01:10:32.738 --> 01:10:36.182
[SPEAKER_01]: So that is not why I just didn't I just don't.

01:10:38.642 --> 01:10:39.903
[SPEAKER_01]: I understand wrestling booking.

01:10:39.943 --> 01:10:41.224
[SPEAKER_01]: I understand setting up stuff.

01:10:41.244 --> 01:10:58.980
[SPEAKER_01]: So I just don't want to spend time on something when I know that it's going to be goofy at the end because the whole idea for some of this stuff and we talked about a little bit with with BJ is they don't separate the products very well.

01:10:59.100 --> 01:11:02.743
[SPEAKER_01]: So if you watch raw and you watch the main of enter on.

01:11:03.586 --> 01:11:05.667
[SPEAKER_01]: I think people watched the main event around Monday.

01:11:06.047 --> 01:11:21.013
[SPEAKER_01]: Of course, there's a run-in, and we're setting up this new triple, you know, this new tag team, and then, you know, smack our building, sells out, you know, sells so many tickets for the show, and we're going back to old stuff, man.

01:11:21.073 --> 01:11:23.134
[SPEAKER_01]: And so I was like, I know the match is going to be good.

01:11:23.274 --> 01:11:29.196
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not interested if we're going to get a screw job finish or a screwy finish, and thus, you know, that's why I wasn't watching it.

01:11:29.236 --> 01:11:30.137
[SPEAKER_01]: But tell us,

01:11:30.937 --> 01:11:31.477
[SPEAKER_01]: about the match.

01:11:31.858 --> 01:11:41.564
[SPEAKER_02]: So what I'll say is, um, I think for those 18,000 fans about tickets, I honestly don't think that they were expecting a clean finish.

01:11:41.804 --> 01:11:41.984
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

01:11:42.244 --> 01:11:52.931
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, you know, because it's a TV show, if this had been a paper view that, you know, maybe it was the second time they're wrestling each other and they had a belief that Kevin Owens was going to win the title, then they might have been pissed.

01:11:53.371 --> 01:11:55.493
[SPEAKER_02]: But I think in this case, they got a good match.

01:11:56.213 --> 01:12:14.867
[SPEAKER_02]: They got to what you got in this and the only reason I would say that is a match you might want to see and I'm, you know, you've made this is not to watch it and that's fine and you don't need to watch it, but is you got to see Sam punk wrestling a different way than he normally does because when we talked about this last week, I said it needs to be a fight.

01:12:15.227 --> 01:12:37.655
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it doesn't and it was like that that was the difference and the thing is is Sam punk was also working the crowd because he he was the heel he was a clear heel even though he did have some fans cheering for him, but you know 90% of them were booing him and he was working it and and you haven't gotten to see that in in WWE I think we got a little bit named w

01:12:38.475 --> 01:12:43.238
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, but you know, mostly since he's come back from his time off, he's been a baby face.

01:12:43.258 --> 01:12:47.060
[SPEAKER_02]: I think he always wanted to be a heal in a W and they just never got to it.

01:12:47.721 --> 01:12:54.705
[SPEAKER_01]: And here like I think he's gonna be a heal and this was almost like, uh, I mean, he was a heal in a W just not to the crowd.

01:12:55.438 --> 01:12:58.119
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, yeah, not just locker room.

01:12:58.659 --> 01:13:01.200
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and really, to a lot of the fans.

01:13:01.380 --> 01:13:05.422
[SPEAKER_02]: So even, like, there were times in AWS where they were bullying him and they weren't supposed to be bullying him.

01:13:05.802 --> 01:13:06.682
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

01:13:06.942 --> 01:13:11.304
[SPEAKER_02]: And, but, so yeah, so that's the one thing that was unique about it.

01:13:11.384 --> 01:13:12.424
[SPEAKER_02]: I think said the match was good.

01:13:12.644 --> 01:13:22.168
[SPEAKER_02]: I knew that it, I would, the one thing I will say, like, even though I was expecting a screwdriver job and so I can't complain about the fact that we got a screwdriver job because I was expecting it.

01:13:22.888 --> 01:13:42.218
[SPEAKER_02]: I hated the way they did it, and because I hate this, they do this all the time, and they've even done it in A, W, but they do it all the time in WWE where the baby face picks up a weapon and he's looking at it and he's looking at the other guy and he decides not to use it and then he ends up getting hit with it.

01:13:42.858 --> 01:14:12.345
[SPEAKER_02]: And I called it a stupid stupid baby face and I got a little bit of push back on that and that's I'm sorry like I, you know, you're stupid like just don't even do that like why are you making your baby face looks I know the idea is he's a good guy and he won't cheat, but this is 2026 man and if you're not cheating, you're not trying and you know and I guess I sounds seems like we're going to need a three way I assume with with him and and with the two of them and Sammy maybe I guess that money the bank I don't know.

01:14:13.065 --> 01:14:16.627
[SPEAKER_02]: But maybe it sounded like it's made of it, you know, so they got to sell tickets for that show.

01:14:17.267 --> 01:14:22.990
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I'm uh, yeah, I mean, I mean, but I haven't seen.

01:14:23.010 --> 01:14:23.451
[SPEAKER_02]: I haven't see.

01:14:23.471 --> 01:14:25.572
[SPEAKER_02]: I imagine we'll get the audience number tomorrow.

01:14:25.752 --> 01:14:27.272
[SPEAKER_02]: I should be a number.

01:14:27.313 --> 01:14:28.413
[SPEAKER_02]: It should be a really good number.

01:14:28.793 --> 01:14:34.276
[SPEAKER_02]: I would think probably like 1.5 million and like a random point four would would be my guess for 18 to 49.

01:14:34.296 --> 01:14:34.656
[SPEAKER_02]: So I'd be good.

01:14:37.280 --> 01:14:38.541
[SPEAKER_01]: All right, we'll be back.

01:14:38.641 --> 01:14:39.561
[SPEAKER_01]: Actually, I don't know.

01:14:39.641 --> 01:14:43.844
[SPEAKER_01]: We'll be back next week because it's dependent on how early you're able to watch.

01:14:44.364 --> 01:14:46.225
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, I mean, we're going to do a show.

01:14:46.305 --> 01:14:50.027
[SPEAKER_02]: I'll watch it because I mean, I really should watch it before Wednesday.

01:14:50.687 --> 01:14:52.848
[SPEAKER_02]: So, you know, I have to skip a bunch of stuff.

01:14:52.908 --> 01:14:53.709
[SPEAKER_02]: I'll do it.

01:14:53.869 --> 01:14:54.389
[SPEAKER_01]: It's up to you.

01:14:54.469 --> 01:14:54.649
[SPEAKER_01]: You.

01:14:54.709 --> 01:14:56.570
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, no, no, I like to do it.

01:14:56.650 --> 01:14:59.472
[SPEAKER_01]: We'll play by by how how much time you have.

01:14:59.732 --> 01:15:07.157
[SPEAKER_02]: And you know, I do find it interesting to do the show right after I've watched the paper view when you had had two days to sit on it.

01:15:07.357 --> 01:15:17.385
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I do think that makes for a good show also for this weekend, we're going to have Sunday's power bomb shells, so they'll do the pre pre show and then.

01:15:18.652 --> 01:15:31.586
[SPEAKER_01]: either Jeremy and I or Jeremy and someone else will do the post game show if that the problem with it is if this if Tony con ends the show at four and a half hours.

01:15:32.867 --> 01:15:38.173
[SPEAKER_01]: I can go home do the show at Jeremy and still do what I have to do later that evening.

01:15:39.323 --> 01:15:44.029
[SPEAKER_01]: If I don't know what the curfew rules are when the time to turn off the lights or whatever it is.

01:15:44.389 --> 01:15:50.216
[SPEAKER_01]: But if this show goes five hours plus, I probably won't have the time to do the show so then Jeremy will have to find someone else.

01:15:50.416 --> 01:15:52.879
[SPEAKER_01]: So that's what we're doing on curfew is five hours.

01:15:53.180 --> 01:15:58.466
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, so what we'll see how that works, but I actually have an out.

01:15:59.387 --> 01:16:02.088
[SPEAKER_01]: at like 5 p.m. my time that day.

01:16:02.548 --> 01:16:04.569
[SPEAKER_01]: So I can't like I have something to do.

01:16:04.970 --> 01:16:12.033
[SPEAKER_02]: So if you know if 5 p.m. my time, I'm going to be recording the music nerd's podcast.

01:16:12.093 --> 01:16:13.113
[SPEAKER_02]: So we're going to be talking

01:16:25.234 --> 01:16:32.576
[SPEAKER_01]: If you want a website to post some of your stuff, sub-stack is kind of, there's a learning curve to it.

01:16:32.616 --> 01:16:39.598
[SPEAKER_01]: Like I actually had to really do some deep diving because I'm putting my music stuff over there on sub-stack.

01:16:39.658 --> 01:16:45.760
[SPEAKER_01]: But it could be interesting for it just to kind of host, your pods or posts, your lists or whatever.

01:16:45.780 --> 01:16:47.340
[SPEAKER_02]: If they allow you to use music or not,

01:16:48.342 --> 01:16:49.142
[SPEAKER_01]: That's a good question.

01:16:49.162 --> 01:16:49.622
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.

01:16:49.703 --> 01:16:52.604
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, we can have maybe maybe if you can't monetize.

01:16:52.744 --> 01:16:53.324
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know that.

01:16:53.344 --> 01:16:57.165
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, on our audio versions, we are able to put music in.

01:16:57.265 --> 01:17:02.467
[SPEAKER_02]: So I have one of my co-hosts, 30 Dan, he inserts four songs into each podcast.

01:17:02.547 --> 01:17:05.408
[SPEAKER_02]: So if you sign up for the audio feed, you get songs.

01:17:05.488 --> 01:17:07.569
[SPEAKER_02]: And if you just watch the YouTube feed, then we can't use music.

01:17:08.449 --> 01:17:09.209
[SPEAKER_02]: But it's also shorter.

01:17:09.470 --> 01:17:09.990
[SPEAKER_02]: It's only an hour.

01:17:10.390 --> 01:17:11.050
[SPEAKER_02]: Very much so.

01:17:11.270 --> 01:17:11.470
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That is it from here.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So for Paul and thanks to B. J.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I am WG, we will see you when I see you when we see you piece out.