WWE WrestleMania 42 Night One Review: Cody Rhodes vs. Randy Orton & Paige Returns | WWE Postgame Live

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[SPEAKER_00]: All right, we are here to talk about Russell Mania 42 night one.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Jeremy Feinstein is here with me and a late edition, Jeff Hawkins just felt like doing some recording here.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And I have a strong guilt reflex, because I didn't do the dynamite show this week, so I need to make it up to my boss.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, you mentioned the dynamite show.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I would have been really interested in your thoughts on the Darby Hell window title in there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, you'll get him Wednesday.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I guarantee you.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There we go.

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[SPEAKER_00]: All right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So Saturday night, WrestleMania.

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[SPEAKER_00]: This show was.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I based on the end of this show, I'm actually very interested in what Jeff and Jeremy thought, but I like to start when we do these recap shows, kind of like the major themes to the show.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So, main event, Randy Orton and Cody Rhodes.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think we all thought maybe we thought that Randy was gonna come away with the title at the end of the show and we did not get that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So the way that the way that we did not get that was a little confusing to me because everything, it almost, it almost, the match was almost booked like we want to set the fans up to think that they know what's happening and then we're going to zig or we're going to zag right when they think we're going to zig.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And they did it multiple times during that match so you're kind of like on your toes and you you think something's going to happen like there were I at some point I thought the rock was going to come down and he was going to steal Cody soul none of that happened what we had was Cody.

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[SPEAKER_00]: kind of turning heel during the match.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Randy kind of turning baby face during the match.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But when the opportunity came to take advantage of it, they both were ready to take advantage of it and Cody kind of outsmarted his mentor at the end there to win the match.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But still based on what happened at the end with Pat McAfee with Randy turning on Pat McAfee.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We're still kind of left to wonder who's the heel who's the baby face.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So let's tackle this thing first, which is the main event.

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[SPEAKER_00]: First off, Jeff, how did you take the finish of this match or even kind of the ups and downs throughout the match?

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[SPEAKER_00]: What are we supposed to think is going on after this match is over?

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[SPEAKER_03]: Well, if you listen to commentary, you're supposed to think that Cody avoided stupid baby face syndrome, which was what it was setting up to seem like it was going to happen.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Was he was going to be a stupid baby.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I was happy with that that he was a stupid baby face.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Thursday I made a prediction and it was the most fatalistic prediction I could possibly make for what was going to happen because I thought that this Randy injury leak was absolute BS angle and I thought at the end of the night Pat McAfee was going to be the WWE champion

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[SPEAKER_03]: I thought McAfee was going to insert himself in for an injured Randy thanks to a Cody allows it Randy RKO's Cody Pat McAfee pins him for the title and then you get the entire crossover corporate stuff ESPN everything like that was my cynicism so I'm always happy to be wrong about that.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I just, I think it's kind of one of those things, you know, how we say on other shows, it's like they're telling you not showing you, and you're thinking he'll turn.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I think this is just straight ahead.

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[SPEAKER_03]: He's not a moronic baby face, and I think they're trying to establish that, but also possibly plant a seed for he'll turn later.

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[SPEAKER_03]: We're, we're he'll do so.

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[SPEAKER_03]: But I think he stays baby face for now, which is fine.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But what did you take away from?

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[SPEAKER_00]: The Randy stuff where he's selling back, he's getting the baby face sympathy from the crowd.

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[SPEAKER_00]: When push comes to shove, Pat McAfee, who should have been the heel ref and immediately count three for him doesn't, so Randy realizes that and kind of RKO's him before he for Pat McAfee could screw him.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so what do you take that part of this match?

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[SPEAKER_00]: What do you take?

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[SPEAKER_03]: I think they were I I'm with you.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I think they were just trying to manipulate everybody the entire time and make you think something.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And, you know, and then they did the punt at the end to to reset the deck, so to speak.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So Jeremy, we'll get your thoughts here in a second, but the reason I wanted to lean into Jeff, because I kind of know what you thought we were talking about in a discord, but Jeff has a new take.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So the point of this, if we're kind of reflecting and thinking about how Pat McAfee came into the story, what Pat McAfee started was that he said, the attitude era was when it was cool and now it's trash and that that was kind of his opening statement.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so when Pat went out on the stretcher and he did the thumbs up gimmick, which was great.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's one of the best things that

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[SPEAKER_00]: I immediately thought, okay, it just means that he's coming back out, which is exactly what happened.

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[SPEAKER_00]: What I also thought, it reminded me of Austin McMahon because what would happen in Austin McMahon is Vince would basically be an idiot and then he would

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[SPEAKER_00]: get beat up, but then he would come back and he and his cronies would actually try and get back favor that way.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so when Pat ran down, it was with the neck brace, it was like pure Vince McMahon to me.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like I feel like that's what that, that's who Pat was trying to be was Vince McMahon.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Do you think that there's anything to how they did this with, I don't want to say Vince McMahon is coming back.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He did get cheers last night at the Hall of Fame from when I understand.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But were they trying to lean into the Vince, when Vince was the top heel?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like what were they trying to do at here, do you think?

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[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, I agree with you.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I was almost afraid that Pat was gonna redeem himself.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And save, try and save Cody and get an RKO and maybe a punt out of it.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I, you know, it, yeah, they leaned into something from the attitude there, definitely, especially, you know, the dopey white and black striped shirt and the, you know, which, which, which no referee and WWE currently wears.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So, uh, yeah, no, it was a definite throwback angle.

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[SPEAKER_03]: This is, this is a little Easter egg for you kids.

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[SPEAKER_03]: All right, Sean, for you very old kids or whatever.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, it's, it,

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[SPEAKER_03]: It's a, it's basically a three week story.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I think I think this is the end of the Randy Orton's going to say a wrestling thing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: All right, Jeremy, we were talking about this in the discord.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And we were trying to just what Jeff was saying, we were trying to anticipate where this was going before it actually got there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so the twists and turns happen in the match.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm glad we didn't get stupid Cody Babyface.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm still kind of confused at the end about what, like where not the ending with the match, but kind of where they're leading to,

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like whether or not the story continues tomorrow, whether or not it continues on Monday, do you get a sense of where this is going or was this just, we need to trick the fans here and then start and then Cody's back to being a giant baby face on on Monday.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I was completely mystified with this and Jeff brought up, you know, the reminder in the heyday of the attitude arrow with this, and also kind of make your member WCW and a lot of this ending was very WCW in which you'd have

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[SPEAKER_01]: The Swerve to get the fans to think that they didn't know what was going to happen, but they wouldn't have an end game out of that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And we were talking on the Discord.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And remember, there was some chatter that backwash was going to be a tag.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We saw Cody and Jelly Roll and Pat and Pat Randy.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And right before Pat came down, I just kind of wondered, wait, could it be Cody and Pat versus Randy and Jelly?

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[SPEAKER_01]: And if not, I completely out of the question, but I don't know, I watched this match and it was fine, but I also wondered what was really the difference between this match that Cody and Randy had and the one they had in Europe, like a year ago, and Randy got the big ovation and really like kind of reminded people what a star he was.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And, you know, the fans here wanted to cheer him.

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[SPEAKER_01]: the company was like, okay, we'll do it for a night, but when the match is over, we'll just reset the debt, like Jeff said.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And they're gonna be playing fast and Luke for the next three months, I think.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think they have a plan for Cody after this.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think it's just gonna be the next man up.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So the interesting thing about the way that they leaned into this,

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[SPEAKER_00]: injury angle, which Dave reported by the way, Dave reported that Randy was hurt.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So if Dave, if Randy, what could possibly be the truth is that Randy was hurt and then they just decided to use it for storyline.

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[SPEAKER_00]: If Randy was not hurt and they floated this story so that Dave and others would publish it, then that's them getting one over on some people there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But just the idea that they would go through

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[SPEAKER_00]: skeptical to begin with like the live crowd and some of this is because I don't the live crowd couldn't tell the story that the announcers are trying to tell it, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like the live crowd couldn't tell that Randy had some sort of injury that they were working in the match.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They didn't know that part.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But I sense the crowd was kind of apprehensive.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They were waiting to see because they just weren't sure exactly how they were supposed to feel.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So there's a moment in the match.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Randy dumps Cody over to the announcer's table, and then Cody Ram's Randy into the post, and I think that's where Randy bladed.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And the crowd was like, boo.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like they didn't really out now, like, because I think that they were just skeptical about what was going on.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so then there were other moments in the match where Cody was getting more and more aggressive.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And Michael Cole was selling it as like, he just doesn't, you know, he's just, he needs to out mentor his mentor.

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[SPEAKER_00]: and the crowd, I feel like a different crowd would have really gotten into Cody for doing this, but they were still kind of skeptical.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I don't know if that's because maybe they didn't, you know, it was the end of a, not even that long ago show, but it was the end of a show, or maybe they weren't happy with the show, which I thought, you know, we talked about earlier, I thought it was thumbs in the middle.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But,

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[SPEAKER_00]: they still, even that the WWE went through all of this in this main event, all of these different things to try and get this crowd intrigued.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I don't think the crowd really got there even to the end.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think they were just waiting for something else to happen.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think they were waiting for

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[SPEAKER_00]: the rock to come out or they were waiting for the match to get restarted or they were they were waiting for something and by the time the credits played at the end of the match when Randy had punted Cody

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[SPEAKER_00]: I was like, are they gonna do the thing we're seeing punk all of a sudden shows up again after the credits we go to dark like, like, is there something else going on here?

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[SPEAKER_00]: But no, they just shows over.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Did you sense anything like from that from the crowd, like, do you sense that they enjoyed this or that they were just confused?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Because I couldn't tell.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I could not tell what this crowd was thinking during this entire match.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Um, let's start from the beginning, uh, the back injury was for the internet.

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[SPEAKER_03]: That that's all it was, I think.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I think it's one of those things where, because half of this pat macophie story is him talking about the IWC and stuff like that.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So it felt like it's four of quarter of the people, and I agree with you.

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[SPEAKER_03]: The people are watching this going, why is Randy grabbing his back right now?

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[SPEAKER_03]: What the hell is up with that?

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[SPEAKER_03]: Um, I agree, but I think it was one of those things where you had a crowd that was going in there with mixed agendas.

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[SPEAKER_03]: You had the people who wanted to root for Randy at the people who wanted to root for Cody and they're beating each other up, but they're not getting behind either one.

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[SPEAKER_03]: It was an oddly quiet.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Like, live and Stephanie was hotter and then it just kind of died.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And I'm listening to this is an unusually quiet main event.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And they're waiting, basically they're waiting to get attached to something emotionally.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And they didn't get it really because they didn't really know who they should be rooting for, because the television people been rooting for Randy for three weeks.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, they were rooting for Randy until Pat made San Jose go nuclear and I guess what what I was telling people is I was saying San Jose is not a normal crowd more than most crowds they're going to kind of vote with their politics in a sense.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so, they saw Pat and Pat leaned into it by mentioning the nickname that CM Punk gave him, which was magazine.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And he leaned into it on SmackDown smartly, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Because if there's a, you know, there's probably a few areas in the US that would have reacted like that just for that reason alone in San Jose Bay Area as one of them.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But San Jose, again, if this was a San Jose crowd, maybe they do this match differently.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But I just really, I would love to be a fly on the wall with the creative team at the end going like, okay, here's what we're gonna do and here's why.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And this is what, this is the outcome that we want out of it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Because I still don't know that,

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[SPEAKER_00]: they got exactly what they wanted from the live crowd.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Now maybe we'll see.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I have no idea what the internet really thinks about this show other than I've seen a lot of thumbs in the middle and some thumbs down.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But if what you're saying is right that a lot of this was worked to trick the internet.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know how the internet necessarily is going to go by tickets for somebody.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, let me discuss it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, I'm going to go ahead, Jeremy.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Alright.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I was thinking like the one thing about this map to show is that they could have made an effort to like logically work through these matches and maybe they did.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But on the other hand, if it didn't work out, they're going to add back, they could just pump the show because they've already got tomorrow in the books.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Next year, WrestleMania, it's presumably in Saudi Arabia, so fan reaction in the audience is going to be completely different.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then in two years from now, when they have another WrestleMania, it's going to be it's going to be a completely different WWE by then.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So when they're doing this show tonight and then realizing one of our creative out to work this, like, well, actually, it doesn't matter because it's not like it's going to affect our ticket sales for a Canadian next year.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And so that's the part that I just come back to, like, maybe they just did pop the show a little bit.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Well, let me let me pause it this because I think they could have solved their problems by thinking through them a little bit better because it sounds like In this match what they want to do.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Okay, we need to get rid of jelly roll and Pat.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So we'll have the machinery up top.

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[SPEAKER_03]: But we're also deadly scared that people are going to be cheering Randy to win this.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So we're going to work this match, you know, like, like Cody is is dusty, quite frankly, you know, he's the tough baby face, not necessarily the good baby face.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Whereas they probably could solve all their problems have Randy and Cody start with a brawl.

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[SPEAKER_03]: it dies down a bit.

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[SPEAKER_03]: People start maybe cheering for Randy.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Maybe the crowd starts to turn that way.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Pat cuts a promo.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Then you get Pat and Jelly roll out of the way.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And now people know we need to boot Randy because Pat's promo price is something like, you guys don't deserve Randy or you don't need to turn this.

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[SPEAKER_03]: You need to tell the crowd.

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[SPEAKER_03]: All right, that's enough of your Randy Hopespot start booing him or something.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And then they could go on with the match, but it felt like they're anticipating reactions, and then they did actions to try and get around those reactions.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's exactly right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It felt like they expected.

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[SPEAKER_00]: what hogan and ruck what happened with hogan and rock, but it just didn't happen, but they still went with it, which is kind of interesting because had that been organic and had the crowd really, really booed Cody asked, then what they would have done would have made a whole lot of sense.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So anyways, you know, it is what it is and we'll have to figure out where it goes, so we'll move off of the main it will come back and we'll recap all the stuff that happened during the main event quickly.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But let's talk about some of the other big things that happened and I think the thing that the crowd on night one appreciated the most.

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[SPEAKER_00]: was none other than page returning to WWE.

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[SPEAKER_00]: She got.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, she was amazing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, she didn't get the biggest pop of the night.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It was one of the one of the top pops of the night.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And that man.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm a home pop.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, well, that match was.

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[SPEAKER_00]: odd because it was actually a fatal four way tag team match, which meant you couldn't really traditionally get heat like you would in a tag match.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It was like everyone's in the ring at once and it's just kind of turns into these.

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[SPEAKER_00]: My turn your turn spots, but every time page did something, the crowd reacted and every time someone else did something who was not

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[SPEAKER_00]: you're not with the match and you're only with page, which kind of makes this seem kind of weird.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But I mean, they loved her.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They rightfully gave her the W. Nikki Bella helped helped, you know, she kind of played heal a little bit though.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It was a notice qualification match.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And Alexa Bliss had to take the, uh, the rampage.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I just thought that that match,

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[SPEAKER_00]: the almost, the opposite of how I would assume a wrestling crowd who likes wrestling would treat a match like this, but for whatever reason it was like, we only like page or here to see page, page was an even supposed to be in the match, and that's how they reacted was so weird to me.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Nikki Bella.

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[SPEAKER_01]: After that match acting happy, but really not actually set me for quite a bit to watch there be like, yeah, this was supposed to be a moment, but I'm really happy for you, page.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The reaction of the crowd.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's just like Jericho in AEW, when these people come back and then she eventually going to do the I'm home as well, and the crowd is going to go wild for that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I thought it was, I thought the magic fight.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Jeff has just got some numbers that we'll go into a little bit later about the amount of time dedicated to these matches.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And so I'm glad that Lash legend got her Mania premiere.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm glad all these women got time on the card, but it wasn't substantial time.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And it just, it actually made me feel better about the fact that Eosky and Alska aren't on any of these Mania cards at this exact moment.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But why they could have stolen the show if they had what have got the time I Think they would have been way better in the same amount of time that this tag team match got Really I wish it would have gotten double the time if they're given and they're put on a card I don't want a minute Oscar eel match no, I didn't you if it were a sprint, but

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[SPEAKER_03]: And even disagreeing because it would all be about the love of Kyrie Sane, and I think it would be getting away from the wrestling type thing.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I watched this page pop, and I wondered to myself, is this one of those Jeff Hardy things where people ask if he's still wrestling, because he's not in WWE, and does anybody actually know that she was in AEW type of a thing?

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[SPEAKER_03]: because that's the kind of pop you see where you've never, you haven't seen her in all the time that she's been gone, even though she's been around.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I, that's what I thought.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I thought at least three quarters of this crowd don't realize she was in AEW because they probably don't watch AEW.

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[SPEAKER_03]: That was my thinking.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And also just as the match itself,

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[SPEAKER_03]: We're gonna miss Bailey when she's gone.

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[SPEAKER_03]: She is so nuts and bolts and good and kept this match together with bubble gum and duck tape in terms of that.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Because there were people getting a little lost here and there, so I just love the hell out of watching her or just bell the bell.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Keep things together and always kind of going.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I, you know, that the match itself, eight.

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[SPEAKER_03]: minutes 35 seconds per a four way.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And this was basically a Bella's Nicky Bella wants all the belts.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So whenever there's new titles, we had to we had to give her a run with one of them.

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[SPEAKER_01]: There are more people in the snatch that was going to total divas, the reality show, then wasn't.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And can I also say the the the last Naya white demolition gear is it happening and they

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[SPEAKER_00]: but then they wrestled in, they had nothing to do with it.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, yeah, they should have done some demolition moves in here.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so I was a little bit, I wasn't a bomb.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I think they did the robot with one.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The elbow drop over the, over the knee or whatever, I think they did that one.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So the so new tag team champs and before we talk about live morgan and and Stephanie of a care only because I don't want to forget the news of the the morning was ESPN reporter and someone who I know fairly well Andreas hail getting stiff on his credential now here's what I don't know.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Did they not tell him or did they give it to him and take it away?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Because I don't know when he knew that he wasn't credentialed for this show.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But essentially, the timeline is this.

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[SPEAKER_00]: For WWE's very first ESPN show last year, he gave it a C plus, a show in which I had rated lower and

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[SPEAKER_00]: like, defiantly so.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so then sometime goes by and we don't see any more of his reviews.

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[SPEAKER_00]: A couple of months ago Dave Meltzer reports that what actually happened is WWE got those posts removed or just the idea of those stories like don't you can't read our stuff anymore.

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[SPEAKER_00]: What Dave reported was that, I think he reported that people in WWE were actually like flexing about it, like really happy with themselves to show their influence over editorial at ESPN.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So Dave reported that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then just the other, I don't know how whenever the genel update came out, I think he wrote a story about that as well.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So that's the overall timeline of all the things and then today we learn from him directly on Twitter and on Instagram that his credential he didn't get it a credential now for pro wrestling media I get it last year

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[SPEAKER_00]: Brian Alvarez and I were denied credentials to WrestleMania.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's like, okay, like, they just want mainstream media or they're just picking and choosing whatever.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, no, no big deal.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I was frustrated at the time, but when I kind of pulled back, I was like, okay, I get it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I know what this is.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Uh, when I asked Dave about it, he was like, yeah, you know, I didn't try.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe they wouldn't have given me one either.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, maybe they're mad at us or something.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like he just, he didn't know either, but for your partner who works for the biggest sports website, which only gives your product coverage on the biggest sports website in the land for them to deny him, it seems like it was kind of a personal decision.

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[SPEAKER_03]: on on that story from this morning when entertainment tonight started as a TV show Leonard Malton used to do movie reviews and he would say what movies were good and bad and eventually studio said you know what we're not gonna give you guys access if you keep crashing our movies on your show and so then Leonard Malton became a movie historian doing

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[SPEAKER_03]: This is what I thought about that move and yes, of course it was petty and of course it was bad and they probably said yeah, we'll give your ESPN guy a credential and then it turned out to be on dress and they said no thank you I mean this this is pretty

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[SPEAKER_03]: I think this is pretty cut and dry to be honest and it's like you need to great upgrade on a curve on your corporate partner website of us.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Otherwise we're not going to be a partner very much longer.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Of course they flex of course they celebrated this and that none of this.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, here's the thing that I wanted to connect the dots for people.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So Andre's Hale also writes about the UFC.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Andre's Hale also writes about boxing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Obviously, the UFC and WWE are owned by TKO.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And TKO is getting the Muhammad Ali act changed so that they can do their UFC thing in boxing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so that's where it gets a little worrisome when it comes to these power plays, because if you can't have the biggest sports website in the world, cover,

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[SPEAKER_00]: the sports that, you know, need to be covered, then, you know, then it becomes kind of like our current White House reporting, which is, we're just going to be PR for you guys because we have no leverage in this scenario, and we need our jobs because we need to, you know, to live.

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[SPEAKER_00]: and that's the scary thing for me.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Now also I'm biased.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I know Andreas.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I've hung out with him a couple times.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I've interviewed him.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's been on my show.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's been on Rustic Observer Radio.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I went to his, his hangout last year, Russell Mania weekend.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, and, you know, he invited.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He selectively invited some folks and, and I was invited.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I, I really like him as a person.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I know what he's about.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And

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[SPEAKER_00]: the politics about the scenario.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I know some of the things that he might be worried about.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I'm not coming at this from a completely unbiased perspective, but at the same time from the journalist side of things.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The scary thing is, again, is allowing TKO to, you know, really have the, the, the rule of the roost.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Now, kind of going back to what Jeremy said about Saudi Arabia, we don't really have to worry about this for next year, because they're going to bring over,

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, the the cheeseboard folks.

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[SPEAKER_00]: If they want and or maybe they don't even need them because they're going to get, you know, they're going to get enough normal press from from whomever but like that, that is something, you know, if we fast forward a year, I really do, I'm really interested to see where this goes because it's kind of, it's going to worry some from that perspective.

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[SPEAKER_03]: It is, but it's the move of companies like this.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Like ESPN's parent company Disney.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I'll give you a short example.

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[SPEAKER_03]: One of the reasons why they could keep costs so on their television shows, especially on the Disney channel, is that they basically bullied Afta.

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[SPEAKER_03]: the actors union that eventually merged with SAG into special provisions for their shows.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So they'd never had to have escalation clauses for actors who stayed on there for a long time.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So that is why the sweet life of Zach and Cody became the sweet life of Zach and Cody at sea.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Every, no, I'm serious because every two years, right, it's a new show.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And so now they can, they can now bring them back to base pay.

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[SPEAKER_03]: It's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it

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[SPEAKER_03]: They should have never pitched reviews on ESPN site either.

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[SPEAKER_03]: That's the other thing is that this is, you know, you can say something's a bad game, but this is a TD show.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So it's more of an entertainment thing.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And if you're not gonna have someone who's just gonna fluff your partner, the whole timer, or letter grades, which is always a bad idea, then, I mean, it was a thought, and it was a pitch, but it was a bad idea.

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[SPEAKER_00]: you know, that that hasn't happened since September.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I do think some of this is Dave's coverage was kind of reignited the fuel.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm not saying that Dave was wrong to cover it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He was properly doing his job.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But it probably reignited the fuel and gave them more bad press when it came to this.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So they just like, you know, what, you know, screws this.

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[SPEAKER_03]: this is pure petty.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, for sure.

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[SPEAKER_00]: For sure.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So by the way, sweet life on deck was was was solid.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I never I was I'm too old for this.

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[SPEAKER_03]: You can't do this to me, but I need to bring up a bigger story from this show that that we we haven't covered yet I don't think and we need to cover this.

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[SPEAKER_00]: No, because we'll cover it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We'll hover now.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Go for it.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Okay Us the the first two matches that this isn't about the time because the time thing is is ridiculous You know, and there wasn't a match over 15 minutes on this entire show But but who's so the usos matching Jacob and Drew were on the pre show correct.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes

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[SPEAKER_00]: Not free show the first hour ESPN 2.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Okay on on the freebie before they went over to the right on thing.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Okay, so I consider that kind of a pre show every match on the ESPN plus thing.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Chicanary there wasn't a clean match to be had on this show every match had so

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[SPEAKER_03]: It was ridiculous.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, individually, I didn't mind the matches, but what was it and could you was it a watchable show?

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yes, was it a good show?

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[SPEAKER_03]: No, because nobody looked at the big board and goes, man, we need to put Jacob and Drew somewhere in the middle of all these screw job finishes.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Nicky Bella, the turn buckle and Becky and AJ, go through and Seth LeBron break her.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Look at the judgment day with McCarran live, and then all the Pat McAfee stuff in the main event.

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[SPEAKER_03]: We were five for five on Schmazes.

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[SPEAKER_03]: It was ridiculous.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It was an attitude to her show.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's really was.

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[SPEAKER_01]: No, it actually, it felt like a WWE show from 10 years ago.

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[SPEAKER_01]: where was all these short matches with finishes that didn't make any sense and looks to check in on Raw on SmackDown to see what happened next when you wanted just to pay off the promise that they were possibly booking for Monday.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, well, yeah, you know, but that's back in a time where you have

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[SPEAKER_00]: the boss rewriting everything up until the beginning of the show.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So it was just chaotic and unorganized.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't imagine that's what this was because once they had their set matches, they weren't going to really change where they were going.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Except for maybe the main event, you know, that they may have wanted to keep the main event fluid just because, you know, that they wanted to kind of measure where things were going up until the last show.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But, um, by the way, sweet life,

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[SPEAKER_00]: On deck.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We're back.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We're back.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Wait, wait, wait, Brenda song on that show.

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[SPEAKER_00]: She's, Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: She's on.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.

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[SPEAKER_00]: She's on the running point show with Kate Hudson, which is kind of, kind of about the Los Angeles Lakers.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I just wanted to shout her out because she's a wrestling fan.

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[SPEAKER_00]: She's a giant fan.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, no.

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[SPEAKER_03]: She's a former, improv team made a mind.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Players in assistant coach on there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I would have to go back and rewatch season one, but season two just came out, so I'll be, I'll be refreshed pretty soon.

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[SPEAKER_00]: All right, cool, cool deal.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, let's talk a little bit more about this show.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Let's start at the beginning.

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[SPEAKER_00]: To get play start.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Usos and LA night versus Austin Theory, Logan Paul and I show speed.

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[SPEAKER_00]: This was another one where I feel like they thought the audience was going to be somewhere that the audience wasn't and they didn't know how to adjust because the story of the match was that Austin Theory in Logan Paul were pissed off at I show speed.

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[SPEAKER_00]: when I show speed didn't actually do anything wrong, which made those guys seem like giant dances, which made just entirely be their character.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But I had this thought, as I was watching this match, which was, J. Uso's world title run.

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[SPEAKER_00]: How is it going to be looked back upon in two or three years?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Failure, success, unfinished,

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[SPEAKER_00]: Uh, maybe if he had his cardio up, it would have been better.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, well, how would you look at this Jeff in hindsight?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Cause this is the same, the same time frame last year that he beats Gunther, who's on this show as, you know, one of the biggest stars on the show.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And he beats him in WrestleMania when the title.

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[SPEAKER_00]: What, how would you see his, his world title reign?

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[SPEAKER_03]: Fan service for Mania then after that, it was a failure.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And he was a transitional champion.

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[SPEAKER_03]: There's, there's no other way to put it.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, but as a transitional champion, he dealt for a few for a few did, but but main event J use so was never all that main event that's the thing.

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[SPEAKER_03]: He doesn't wrestle like a main event wrestler he wrestles like J use a with the world title yeah he wrestles like.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He was like a taxi wrestler in a saying yes, Jeremy were you at the second ever net flick show the raw show Like he so you were there to see that pop yeah, like that dude was crazy over to the point that I was looking at kids

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[SPEAKER_00]: walking around the show before it started just eating all over the place like there was something there with him now maybe when he got the belt actually at WrestleMania then you're kind of like okay we saw it and that's what that's what we were there to see for but and so this match him and him and Jimmy and Ellie night I don't know how long this match was but it seemed like

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[SPEAKER_00]: We need to get the, we need to get these guys on the show, we need to get eye show speed and in Logan Paul on the show, but we're not going to put too much thought into what they're actually going to do and we're probably going to put the thing on fast forward.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Because we want to get to the angle where eye show speed turns baby face at the end and he does the big dive out on Logan.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Logan Paul did nothing in this match.

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[SPEAKER_01]: No, it didn't do anything at all.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The only thing that it was was creating the scenario in which I show speed had the thing set up with the friction with the whole thing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I was watching it and I was like, okay, there's not much here.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then you had the angle that they developed over two or three weeks to open it up and close it down.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, you had an absolutely fantastic fraud splash from the top of the, top of the ring post to the commentator table, but other than that, there was, there were going to, there wasn't anything at all.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The other thing I wanted to mention was U.S. U.S. Jeff about J.U.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So last year.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I kind of thought it wasn't an experiment by WWE to see if like everything they touched turns to gold and whether it would just work because, you know, they selected this guy in the audience would come along and it didn't and I think they kind of learned that they can't just put the belt on everybody and make it and turn that hay into gold.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, but they were nice and hard, but what I hope they didn't take away from that is that means we got to keep the same people on top because we trust them that's what I hope that they didn't get it could have just been that Jay was the wrong guy at the wrong time, but if they're take away is like this is why we keep the title on the same four people, I think that would be a bad take away.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I hope that more selective is all I'm saying.

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[SPEAKER_03]: No, I think the problem was they had a plan for Jay.

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[SPEAKER_03]: They had a great build on the chase.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And he's a little bit, although he has a hangman page, has a lot more individual kind of charisma and heft to him.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Oddly enough, even though I bury his title reigns all the time.

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[SPEAKER_03]: But the whole thing about Jay, so it was the chase.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And then once he got it,

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[SPEAKER_03]: He could never it didn't affect him.

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[SPEAKER_03]: It didn't change him in any ways.

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[SPEAKER_03]: It didn't and he wasn't he didn't get the promos to carry a company and carry a show and carry a belt because he was still saddled with his brother hanging around all the time.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So it was like it's like they're the tag that you know they're still attacking.

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[SPEAKER_03]: But we have one made a veteran one not made a venture and there and they they're always hanging around and Jay never really got the chance to have.

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[SPEAKER_03]: to have a moment where it's like here is where I am the best guy on this show and in this company right now and it was just kind of guy with the it's one of those is where they planned for the chase they got the chase hot and then the dog cut the car and then you don't know what to do with it after that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I just I thought he was given plenty of opportunities to step

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, I, I felt like it wasn't for a lack of the company giving him the opportunities.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He just showed that he was an upper midcard wrestler and he wasn't at the level of being a world champion.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And no matter what up to you said, Hey, you need to get to this point.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And they decided, Hey, we're going to put you there.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Even though you're not there and you'll get there.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And he never got there.

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[SPEAKER_03]: it was interesting when you said that that Logan didn't have much doing this match because Logan doesn't belong in this match he's been there he is above this man and and the vision is absolutely lost without Hayman and needs to be broken up and maybe bring Logan back in and then just have Austin theory go somewhere and figure out a character or something now that was on its back that the vision is salvageable again.

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[SPEAKER_03]: No, I thought the vision was going to be dead after this and then he was going and then he was going to go about I actually thought like the bloodline was reforming the whole time so I didn't think that it may happen tomorrow, but

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[SPEAKER_03]: Well, my expectation was like LA night gets the win and then like the uses are kind of sore about him stealing a win and then kind of turn on him and then it would all culminate in a story and I'm not seeing that happen, but it might happen still, but I just and look at Paul so.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Naturally hateable and such a great athlete.

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[SPEAKER_03]: He should be in the upper echelon on and he could talk That's the other thing.

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[SPEAKER_03]: It's like all these other guys who are great camp talk and he could he's just a natural hate of like He should be in the one with Orton.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I think even not even macophie just have

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[SPEAKER_03]: Just have Paul be as far-bredger of doom.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, they are kind of built in the same vein for sure.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Paul, I do love the unintentional comedy when, after the match with Logan Paul, young and I show speed.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And you have all three baby faces in the background at the far side of the screen, just watching Logan Paul be awful to this guy for like three minutes.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They're like, well, should we do something?

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[SPEAKER_03]: LA men's trying to walk away the entire time.

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[SPEAKER_03]: He could give a crap and I'm loving them.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, screw this guy.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He's like not the best baby faces in the world.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And eventually they got around to it, but I was watching like, are you gonna?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, that's what we're doing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Lots of George Kittle on this show.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He stole Tyre's Haliburton's beer and chugged it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: and I heard yesterday he was on one of the indie shows and I guess I forget the wrestler but someone who made he may have been like a college teammate or roommate of or something.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so this dude is out in the middle of the ring, this dude is out in Russell Mania and in the back of my mind I'm like, and Niners are going to have to draft a backup tight end.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So if this dude hurts himself he's coming off of a killie's surgery and he's out there

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[SPEAKER_00]: in it, you know, what if he jumps the rail and goes crazy?

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[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, okay, his former roommate is one called Manders.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that's who it was.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There it is.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I never would have guessed that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I mean, I, I was surprised to see him.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I was like, George kiddles on this random ass in the show.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, what is he doing there?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Second match on this show was Jacob Fattu Drew McNarr.

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[SPEAKER_00]: My favorite match of the night, though.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I mean, it's probably one of the two best match of the night, depending on what you liked.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I thought, you know, they both got their giant crazy insane Russell Mania entrances for their un-sanction match.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The match starts on the outside, so it, you know, it's playing to the un-sanctionous and, uh, Drew had a sword during his entrance.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Is this sword legal during this match?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Could have been can you maim can you kill slice somebody is with a sword in hitting him with the hill you know hitting him with the butt end of the cord because he did he did use a wrench to train take Jacob's eyeball out of his his socket.

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[SPEAKER_03]: He he did try that so well if he if he takes if he takes his head he gets his quickening.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They're going to only be one.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Thank you.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There's, so match starts on the outside, they get back inside the ring and all of the stuff on the outside of the ring is now on the inside of the ring.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There's chairs, there's a table, there's a toolbox and we know from

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[SPEAKER_00]: So, you know, they both did their highlight real stuff.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Druce still does that incredible dive over the top rope at the size that he is, it's still incredible to see him do that move.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Jacob did his moon salt where he jumps to the middle and then to the top rope drew kicked out.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then,

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[SPEAKER_00]: They set up a finish, which was that they set up a couple of different tables.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And one of the tables was to kind of throw your attention away from what they wanted to finish to be, which is, Fatu doing his moon salt on Drew through the table.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So he's setting it up, Drew actually gets up, pushes Fatu off to the outside.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And Fatu goes through a table that I completely forgot was even set.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so that then sets up what we thought was going to be the finish with the him going doing the moon salt through the table.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So nice little kind of tease to maybe think, oh, no, we're not going to get what we thought we were going to get.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then, okay, we get it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so really good match for for Jacob and

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[SPEAKER_00]: you whatever his 2026 is going to be.

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[SPEAKER_00]: This was a nice jump off and you know Drew McIntyre's just one of the most underappreciated guys in wrestling.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He almost always does the right thing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I know he's going away to do more high-lander stuff with Patista, but you know I've never

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[SPEAKER_00]: gotten through a Drew program and thought, what a selfish bastard that guy is.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, when he needs to lose, he loses, you know, when he wins, he's a heel and he kind of does it and cheap fashion to get over the baby face.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, the guy is just tremendous and, you know, I hope people, uh, I hope people realize how good this guy is.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Jeff, what you think about this one?

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[SPEAKER_03]: I think the first time he ever did that dive was at a bola in receipt, and I was there front

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[SPEAKER_03]: Because you don't understand because the ring is so big and the arenas are so big You don't get the scope and size of how big yeah that dude is doing that and it is amazing when I say it He is also teflon because his character is so rock solid because he's he's the bad guy who's just telling the truth all the time Yeah, and so who get the brakes beat off him as great.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Well, this was a fun

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[SPEAKER_03]: That pop for Jacob going through the table is going to sustain him and they need to follow up on it.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Uh, I could have done without commentary yelling the handcuffs are off.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Do we need to remind every that feels like such a Vince move.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Let's remind everybody he was an ex-con.

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[SPEAKER_00]: When Cody leaned into that months ago, I felt like I was on an island screaming about it going like, why would they do this?

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[SPEAKER_00]: We don't need to do this anymore.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like he's going to be over.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, they want to make it a redemption story.

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[SPEAKER_03]: It doesn't need to be guys.

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[SPEAKER_03]: He's redeem because he's out and he's doing something good for himself now.

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[SPEAKER_03]: We don't need to remind everybody that he was up.

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[SPEAKER_03]: He was in jail.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't typically love when they have like guys like Jacob tattoo and then like race keys or whatever talking about all the things that they've had to come and like overcome.

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[SPEAKER_01]: and they're they're not white.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It just kind of bugs me because it just makes me think that like, oh, all of them come from bad backgrounds.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And there's a weird implication there that you don't have to make that the story.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, and then when they turn heel, you just kind of.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I guess he did.

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[SPEAKER_00]: No.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, that's why you don't bring that stuff up on TV, guys.

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[SPEAKER_00]: All right, so what you got to you go for here he yeah, he

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[SPEAKER_01]: The number one container now, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like the program should really be Cody and Jacob fat you for the title.

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[SPEAKER_01]: At this point, Cody's gone through everybody else.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He's kind of a heel.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Jacob fat you if you're cheering baby face.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You go money in the bank.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Do you just have Cody like go through a guy or two and then you can't ever take up?

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[SPEAKER_03]: But I think Cody's out to do the Street Fighter promo stuff and then Randy's gonna be the champion in an epicent, I guess for a while.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's what it's like.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Okay, is it my fault?

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[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know why he's out then.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So people are getting people are getting Street Fighter and Mortal Kombat mixed up because Mortal Kombat actually comes out in like three weeks.

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[SPEAKER_03]: That's me.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Sorry.

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[SPEAKER_03]: uh... but it feels i mean with randy holding the belt at the end and punting code he feels like we get ran in a sense so he we build up title contenders who aren't really title contenders so they can be of anything but i think i think you can fact is getting set to lose to randy

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[SPEAKER_00]: All right, so ESPN 2 ends and they're trying to get people to, you know, spend the 30 bucks or whatever to watch the rest of the show and they go, here's what we're going to give you it is going to be the fatal four way women's tag team match.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Charlotte Flair, Alexa Bliss, Bailey Lyra, Irresistible Forces, and the Bellas.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so Nikki Bella all week, I think has been basically saying, like, oh, you know, I'm going to do my best to get back and then yesterday at the Hall of Fame.

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[SPEAKER_00]: She was still in a walking boot.

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[SPEAKER_00]: People are like, what's going on?

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I think the page rumors were out yesterday as well.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so the Bella's are safe for last, even though they're not the tag team champions.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And Nicky's on crutches and she's in the walking boot.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And this is where they bring back page.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So that thing was very well done.

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[SPEAKER_00]: A lot of thought put into that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I guess I was just surprised and it's going back to what Jeff said about how people may not have even realized she was in AEW.

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[SPEAKER_00]: She wasn't even this big of a star when she left to get the

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[SPEAKER_00]: Hey, man, they got it and they took advantage of it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And even though I didn't think the match was very good.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It wasn't really allowed to be very good.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I imagine this is one of the reactions that they actually figured out before and were rightfully figured it out.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And page goes and wins a match.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I don't know what you do with page in 2026 because

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[SPEAKER_00]: She was never the best wrestler, and if we saw her AEW, her time in AEW, she was not good there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I can't imagine she's improved.

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[SPEAKER_00]: She's obviously always going to be thinking about her neck.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But whatever, you have left in this page run.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It looks like she's going to be very much welcome back.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Welcome to back.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And probably going to be one of the bigger stars of the women's division.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Jeff, what would you actually do with page in 2026?

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[SPEAKER_03]: Well, I probably have Nikki Belitton on her um, I, you know what, I remember something though that that I think not a lot of us remembers.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I went page left WWE.

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[SPEAKER_03]: She was just she wasn't even a wrestler.

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[SPEAKER_03]: She was a lame authority figure because she couldn't wrestles.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, because so her wrestling to the WWE fan base is a big deal.

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[SPEAKER_03]: If they had seen her in that long.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Now there's there's another underlying problem here that will get into in this match in the next match.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And that is.

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[SPEAKER_03]: The bell is page and AJ, and you could see this in them taking a photo backstage in Gorilla holding up the four.

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[SPEAKER_03]: They had this narrative in their heads.

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[SPEAKER_03]: that they were much better wrestlers than they were.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And I look, I'm not saying that necessarily derogatory, it's also a brick baker problem to be honest.

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[SPEAKER_03]: What it's, it's your reach exceeds your grasp sometimes or in the other way around, type of thing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They were stars.

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[SPEAKER_00]: In that timeframe, for more than their wrestling, they weren't really stars because of their wrestling.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They were stars because we were on a TV show, and we're also part of the WWE show.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yes, and they weren't bad wrestlers.

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[SPEAKER_03]: They didn't do the Braun Panics.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And yes, they had legitimate complaints about that.

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[SPEAKER_03]: But they also weren't the level of the horse women, and Oscar, and EO, and Julia, and Stephanie Fickare, and all these other women that have come after them.

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[SPEAKER_03]: But they think that there's a little tinge of bitterness every time they bring this up.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Well, you know, what we could have done that to, I mean, like, even Nicky Bell, I'm going to say give Davis a chance type thing with the hashtag she started all that.

54:12.215 --> 54:24.972
[SPEAKER_03]: Um, yeah, this match was interesting because, yeah, nine, nine, nine, uh, lash are giants who should be destroying people and they want to allow them to destroy everybody here, Charlotte doesn't want to be in a tag team.

54:25.333 --> 54:27.756
[SPEAKER_03]: I think the Bella's aren't really good.

54:28.557 --> 54:36.728
[SPEAKER_03]: And, uh, and, and bird bird, bird lady and aunt Pam, just don't have a, just don't have a compelling.

54:36.748 --> 54:37.109
[SPEAKER_01]: They're not scary.

54:37.129 --> 54:38.070
[SPEAKER_01]: They're not scary.

54:38.810 --> 54:45.178
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, it's they're very talented, but it's one of those things where it's just like they don't have a story here.

54:45.318 --> 54:51.606
[SPEAKER_01]: So you're just kind of, okay, ever really, yes, I into the fact that like they pulled along the other.

54:52.587 --> 54:57.634
[SPEAKER_03]: Yes, the page in Emma, everybody brings up the page in Emma and that was page as best match ever.

54:58.335 --> 54:59.036
[SPEAKER_03]: That was it.

54:59.596 --> 55:05.003
[SPEAKER_03]: And then when she was brought on the main roster, she figured with AJ and everybody blamed AJ Lee.

55:04.983 --> 55:06.385
[SPEAKER_03]: for being the opponent.

55:06.405 --> 55:08.668
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, if she only had a better opponent, she'd be a better.

55:08.768 --> 55:12.292
[SPEAKER_03]: I've heard the legend of Paige for decades now.

55:12.873 --> 55:14.916
[SPEAKER_03]: I have not seen it come to fruition.

55:15.537 --> 55:16.198
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm sorry.

55:16.218 --> 55:17.499
[SPEAKER_03]: She's very nice.

55:17.760 --> 55:19.061
[SPEAKER_03]: She's a fun character.

55:19.422 --> 55:31.277
[SPEAKER_03]: I do like her matches, but there's this legend of Paige, especially from

55:31.612 --> 55:32.954
[SPEAKER_03]: And she never got there.

55:33.134 --> 55:34.816
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm sorry to tell people that.

55:34.836 --> 55:40.624
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, you know, also part of that legend is the rock made a movie about her.

55:40.645 --> 55:42.848
[SPEAKER_03]: Yes, well, but this is even before that.

55:42.868 --> 55:47.334
[SPEAKER_03]: Like on the internet, it was just like, we know what page if she really got to show her stuff and her opponents weren't so bad.

55:47.394 --> 55:49.276
[SPEAKER_03]: She'd be, you know, she'd be thought of as well.

55:49.296 --> 55:50.478
[SPEAKER_03]: The great workers of all time.

55:50.498 --> 55:51.239
[SPEAKER_00]: It's like, all right.

55:51.419 --> 55:55.125
[SPEAKER_00]: The one thing I will say and we'll get Jimmy's thoughts that sorry.

55:55.165 --> 55:59.070
[SPEAKER_00]: The thing that the thing that you said is right.

55:59.050 --> 56:15.996
[SPEAKER_00]: But I do think there is an influence piece that, you know, you see this a lot with AJ and I remember AJ from back then and I and my memory is that AJ was a great character.

56:16.988 --> 56:21.374
[SPEAKER_00]: And she was a way better character than she was actually a wrestler.

56:21.775 --> 56:34.433
[SPEAKER_00]: However, if the current generation of really good wrestlers were somehow inspired just by seeing AJ, given the freedom to do some of the things that she did, she was also a commissioner.

56:34.473 --> 56:38.879
[SPEAKER_00]: She also was part of the Daniel Bryan run.

56:39.460 --> 56:44.127
[SPEAKER_00]: And so if they saw her and they were like, okay, like she is,

56:44.107 --> 56:50.901
[SPEAKER_00]: in a different environment than the previous generation of Stacey Keibler and Tori Wilson.

56:51.402 --> 56:57.956
[SPEAKER_03]: Then you put nail the, her, you, you nail the thing on the head or whatever.

56:58.417 --> 56:59.500
[SPEAKER_01]: Get the page on there.

56:59.540 --> 57:00.181
[SPEAKER_03]: Hit the nail.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Thank you.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm, me talk.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Good one day.

57:04.559 --> 57:20.357
[SPEAKER_00]: Pages a great character the bell is a great character is AJ Lee's great character that does not make you a great wrestler But their counter to you would be that they were also not allowed to to be that because of that regime that was currently working there

57:20.337 --> 57:37.553
[SPEAKER_03]: And I would agree with that, but it's, but it's also one of those things where it's like they weren't allowed to do it for so long That they, that then when you saw and they should just brought all four horse women up at once to clean out the vision to be honest with it, but when they came up they couldn't really hang with them either.

57:38.140 --> 57:51.412
[SPEAKER_00]: No, the Charlotte as an athlete, Becky as an athlete, Bayley with the experience in Sasha just with the overall package, were way better prospects, right?

57:51.472 --> 58:03.743
[SPEAKER_03]: Like they were, you know, they were just like the up and comeers who were hurt even the Lexa, even the Lexa Bliss who was getting a little bit a short trip to be honest with you with all the horse women talk was far better than any of them ever were too.

58:03.883 --> 58:08.147
[SPEAKER_00]: So, yeah, they're definitely something to that.

58:08.127 --> 58:14.217
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, to me, just like, you call it a match, but more so than any other match on the show.

58:14.257 --> 58:32.886
[SPEAKER_01]: This was a moment in moves match where it was all about the moments in the beginning with the left and Charlotte in their, in their coordinated outfit, Naya and Lash in their coordinate outfit, Bailey and Lyra in there, and then you probably wouldn't have had a coordinated outfit with the other two, but, you know, that thing is quite real.

58:32.866 --> 58:35.509
[SPEAKER_01]: But, you know, like, it was all the moments that you wanted to have.

58:35.529 --> 58:37.431
[SPEAKER_01]: You had the page moment, you had all that you think.

58:37.751 --> 58:43.958
[SPEAKER_01]: But there wasn't anything to the match other than like, okay, everybody gets their moment, everybody gets their opportunity.

58:44.378 --> 58:47.121
[SPEAKER_01]: We check off these boxes and we move on to the next thing.

58:48.002 --> 59:01.776
[SPEAKER_01]: And there are a lot of people out there that could have been there the match they were most looking forward to.

59:02.228 --> 59:14.141
[SPEAKER_01]: And for me, just the way that they treated some of these women's matches on here and not giving consideration that a significant portion of their audience.

59:14.281 --> 59:15.603
[SPEAKER_01]: This might have been what they were here for.

59:16.484 --> 59:16.884
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.

59:16.904 --> 59:26.795
[SPEAKER_01]: And what makes me think like, along Jeff that people like Bailey will not be in WWE for much longer, because they're not getting the opportunity to show what they could do.

59:27.476 --> 59:29.198
[SPEAKER_03]: 8 minutes and 35 seconds.

59:29.971 --> 59:38.344
[SPEAKER_00]: I think the bigger problem and I've been talking about this for weeks is just the thought.

59:39.185 --> 59:47.719
[SPEAKER_00]: And this was kind of old WrestleMania thinking, which is we're just going to put all of these women into this one match because then we don't have to create separate matches for them.

59:48.680 --> 59:55.050
[SPEAKER_00]: And they fell back on that for this match, which I thought was a mistake because

59:56.903 --> 01:00:07.197
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, maybe it wasn't just recently, but if we go back a couple months, I thought that this tag division was actually kind of cooking on it, but yes, it was.

01:00:07.757 --> 01:00:11.863
[SPEAKER_00]: And they just dissolved everything right as WrestleMania was coming.

01:00:11.983 --> 01:00:21.976
[SPEAKER_01]: So I was a little bit, they just, with the laziness route and just like put them all and gave no one any real motivation other than we don't like each other.

01:00:22.016 --> 01:00:23.298
[SPEAKER_01]: We all want to match on media.

01:00:23.498 --> 01:00:25.020
[SPEAKER_01]: And it was like, okay, whatever.

01:00:25.439 --> 01:00:42.895
[SPEAKER_03]: I know I agree with that, but right there they also kind of took out the top two teams because it was it was the kabuki warriors in rean eo and then the rest were coming along and then that's kind of what made the division hot was the other teams interacting with those two teams and then you take them out and then you're they're just kind of staring around going.

01:00:44.597 --> 01:00:50.162
[SPEAKER_03]: Okay, we'll do one on one matches against you on the second hour of SmackDown and right right right.

01:00:51.863 --> 01:00:53.725
[SPEAKER_00]: All right, so then.

01:00:54.194 --> 01:00:56.057
[SPEAKER_00]: Mandalorian and Grogoover in the crowd.

01:00:57.940 --> 01:00:58.601
[SPEAKER_01]: Energy, baby.

01:00:58.802 --> 01:00:59.042
[SPEAKER_01]: Wow.

01:00:59.102 --> 01:01:00.965
[SPEAKER_01]: And I've earned my wildest dream.

01:01:00.985 --> 01:01:05.412
[SPEAKER_01]: Who got to affect a huge star worth push on WWE WrestleMania.

01:01:05.773 --> 01:01:17.873
[SPEAKER_00]: But if they were smart, if they were smart, if they were smart, and I'm sure they are smart, and maybe they just couldn't do this, I would have had a curse off between Grogoo and Dan Housing.

01:01:18.815 --> 01:01:28.818
[SPEAKER_00]: And it was, I felt like a layup to me, or just have the Mandalorian have a beer and then George Kiddell goes and steals it from him and chugs it.

01:01:29.078 --> 01:01:30.662
[SPEAKER_00]: You could have kept that storyline going.

01:01:30.682 --> 01:01:35.052
[SPEAKER_00]: But Mandalorian and Groku were like, hi.

01:01:37.259 --> 01:01:43.791
[SPEAKER_03]: So somewhere Mercedes varnado took out a handgun and shot our television because oh, now you can plug this show.

01:01:43.811 --> 01:01:45.233
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, exactly.

01:01:45.313 --> 01:01:52.666
[SPEAKER_01]: I did think about Batista and guarding into the galaxy a lot at this exact moment.

01:01:52.686 --> 01:01:59.318
[SPEAKER_00]: So they introduced the the the wonder years and I was like,

01:01:59.399 --> 01:02:03.206
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, Kevin, we're getting Fred Savage and Winnie Cooper.

01:02:03.587 --> 01:02:06.252
[SPEAKER_01]: Exactly what I thought to you, and I thought all of that moment.

01:02:06.272 --> 01:02:11.162
[SPEAKER_00]: And then a band starts performing Becky Lynch's theme song, and it was like, what?

01:02:11.222 --> 01:02:12.745
[SPEAKER_00]: Morely ellipsing, too.

01:02:12.765 --> 01:02:15.209
[SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, ellipsing to terribleness.

01:02:16.412 --> 01:02:19.197
[SPEAKER_01]: So the first ellipsing of the night, I will say.

01:02:20.037 --> 01:02:21.440
[SPEAKER_00]: Now, this is a match.

01:02:21.540 --> 01:02:22.582
[SPEAKER_01]: But Morgan was worth.

01:02:22.942 --> 01:02:24.125
[SPEAKER_00]: Ah, thank you.

01:02:24.145 --> 01:02:28.313
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, she was actually like a second behind her own audio when she was trying to lip-sync.

01:02:30.036 --> 01:02:34.003
[SPEAKER_00]: This was a match where you had the star power with Becky Lynch.

01:02:34.564 --> 01:02:35.987
[SPEAKER_00]: And you had the...

01:02:36.288 --> 01:02:39.454
[SPEAKER_00]: incredible baby faceness of AJ Lee.

01:02:39.955 --> 01:02:47.789
[SPEAKER_00]: And I mean, I've been saying this from the beginning, which is I love AJ Lee, the character, and she just cannot keep up in the ring.

01:02:47.849 --> 01:02:48.871
[SPEAKER_00]: And I wouldn't expect her to.

01:02:48.911 --> 01:02:51.917
[SPEAKER_00]: It's been so many years since she wrestled.

01:02:51.897 --> 01:02:56.682
[SPEAKER_00]: but if they were going to give her the opportunity to keep up, it was going to be tonight.

01:02:57.302 --> 01:02:58.183
[SPEAKER_00]: And she could not.

01:02:58.744 --> 01:03:00.285
[SPEAKER_00]: It was unfortunate.

01:03:00.346 --> 01:03:01.327
[SPEAKER_00]: She could not keep up.

01:03:01.967 --> 01:03:10.776
[SPEAKER_00]: If she did, I think the match would have been better, but based on what you're saying with these times, I think they kind of anticipated that she wasn't going to be able to keep up.

01:03:11.297 --> 01:03:16.622
[SPEAKER_00]: Because if there was a match that deserved the time based on how long they've been feuding,

01:03:16.602 --> 01:03:22.151
[SPEAKER_00]: this would have been the one, but AJ would have probably looked pretty bad in it.

01:03:22.271 --> 01:03:24.634
[SPEAKER_00]: So I get why this one is a little bit shorter.

01:03:24.694 --> 01:03:30.644
[SPEAKER_00]: The bigger part of the match was the Jessica Carr and Becky part of the feud.

01:03:31.124 --> 01:03:34.149
[SPEAKER_00]: And AJ was kind of the third wheel in in this match.

01:03:34.930 --> 01:03:43.183
[SPEAKER_00]: And you know, she got out smarted and she lost and she's still going to be over because she's still AJ Lee and she's still

01:03:43.163 --> 01:03:56.785
[SPEAKER_00]: I feel like the bloom is off the rose and I'm not sure how they continue to incorporate her unless at some point she and CM Punk turn heal, which I just I don't want to see her as a heal, but I imagine she'll probably be pretty good at it, which I think of this Jeff.

01:03:58.013 --> 01:04:02.821
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, they're snarkiness, just lends itself to natural healed them.

01:04:03.402 --> 01:04:10.554
[SPEAKER_03]: I also halfway thought that AJ Lee was gonna take off for Boot and leave them in the ring, and that was gonna be it.

01:04:10.614 --> 01:04:16.343
[SPEAKER_03]: I think this would be a great swan song for the character, but yeah, I think we could get her overstaying her welcome.

01:04:16.503 --> 01:04:18.266
[SPEAKER_03]: I didn't mind this match that much.

01:04:18.286 --> 01:04:24.797
[SPEAKER_03]: I know, yeah, Becky Yano being Becky Yano and doing a turn-buckle thing wasn't that bad, but

01:04:24.777 --> 01:04:34.513
[SPEAKER_03]: I was I was half expecting Jessica Carter catcher with the turn buckle thing and then overturned the match, which, you know, I know a lot of people want to have liked, but I want to mind it.

01:04:34.854 --> 01:04:47.595
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm going to give you guys a little note here that I've done on my show before, but it's it's the best and and you'll never be able to unsee this ever again is that when Becky Lynch.

01:04:47.575 --> 01:05:05.770
[SPEAKER_03]: does the NXT level three O face all the time when, you know, somebody kicks out, but she but she combines it with David de Covney doing Jeff Goldblum from SNL Celebrity, Jeopardy.

01:05:05.750 --> 01:05:18.877
[SPEAKER_03]: the head, the head, the head, the, the, she's always doing that and it's just like David the company's impression of Beth Goldblum on Saturday Night Live and I can't unsee it now and now you guys will never be able to unsee it.

01:05:18.897 --> 01:05:19.438
[SPEAKER_01]: Thank you for that.

01:05:19.819 --> 01:05:21.041
[SPEAKER_01]: Thank you.

01:05:21.061 --> 01:05:22.003
[SPEAKER_00]: Which do you think Jeremy?

01:05:22.372 --> 01:05:29.206
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, I am going to defer a little bit from what Jeff said about AJ Lee going forward.

01:05:29.246 --> 01:05:43.536
[SPEAKER_01]: The way that she wrestled this match to me felt like she was just trying to make sure that she hit all of her spot and whatever she was working at, rather than she's been training to get better as a wrestler as a whole.

01:05:43.516 --> 01:05:44.838
[SPEAKER_01]: I've got me a kitty set.

01:05:44.858 --> 01:05:49.945
[SPEAKER_01]: So, like, I'm just trying to get through this match and then my three matches or whatever contract is up.

01:05:50.245 --> 01:05:51.788
[SPEAKER_01]: And I might come back in the future.

01:05:52.188 --> 01:05:59.258
[SPEAKER_01]: But I don't see her showing up every couple of weeks on Raw, moving forward, doing program.

01:05:59.378 --> 01:05:59.979
[SPEAKER_01]: She did them.

01:05:59.999 --> 01:06:00.119
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.

01:06:00.139 --> 01:06:02.082
[SPEAKER_01]: That's a match of Bailey.

01:06:02.062 --> 01:06:21.302
[SPEAKER_01]: She didn't match it with Becky and she could just call today like there Yeah, she has irons in the fire out here in L.A. with a production company and Yeah, she might come back and run it back to like rock sand down the line or something like that, but I don't Create a pathway in which AJ is around all the time

01:06:21.907 --> 01:06:24.309
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think it would be a good usage of her either.

01:06:24.589 --> 01:06:30.555
[SPEAKER_00]: Like it should be pretty special where she shows up kind of out of nowhere and then she starts something if she does.

01:06:31.255 --> 01:06:50.833
[SPEAKER_00]: The Becky herself is so intriguing to me because she will speak out about certain things that I can't imagine WWE wants her to talk about or she's being asked about them and she's just answering like honestly.

01:06:51.775 --> 01:06:57.924
[SPEAKER_00]: All of a sudden, she just starts talking about MJ after taking it.

01:06:57.944 --> 01:07:01.770
[SPEAKER_00]: He's such a nice boy and because they work together on happy Gilmar.

01:07:02.632 --> 01:07:05.877
[SPEAKER_01]: And if you need help getting your title back because that happened to me too.

01:07:06.017 --> 01:07:09.362
[SPEAKER_01]: She did all right about that on social media.

01:07:09.680 --> 01:07:14.585
[SPEAKER_00]: And maybe she knows that she is one of the few who could kind of get away with it.

01:07:15.145 --> 01:07:17.147
[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe she believes that she's got some leverage.

01:07:17.628 --> 01:07:24.454
[SPEAKER_00]: I actually love it because it is so anti what all of the other wrestlers do when it comes to this stuff.

01:07:24.855 --> 01:07:31.842
[SPEAKER_00]: But I do wonder like, what is her strategy or maybe she doesn't think she's long for the business or she's got other stuff going on?

01:07:32.202 --> 01:07:37.527
[SPEAKER_00]: But it is kind of interesting to see this version of Becky Lynch.

01:07:37.507 --> 01:07:46.506
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know she's headed back to the world title or not, but she seems to just not give a fuck about certain things, which I kind of find endearing.

01:07:47.147 --> 01:07:48.871
[SPEAKER_01]: I appreciate it as well.

01:07:48.971 --> 01:07:57.810
[SPEAKER_01]: No, I think I think that read is actually pretty correct that she's a she's emboldened to say what she thinks in a company that people don't do that.

01:07:59.427 --> 01:08:10.221
[SPEAKER_03]: But the times you had a nice start trek gig behind her and then turned out to be the lowest rated start trek that you know, I don't know, I don't want to start trek.

01:08:10.241 --> 01:08:10.681
[SPEAKER_03]: Come on.

01:08:11.062 --> 01:08:12.003
[SPEAKER_03]: Okay.

01:08:12.023 --> 01:08:13.425
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't like science fiction that much.

01:08:13.885 --> 01:08:15.568
[SPEAKER_03]: So that's why I was like one of those things.

01:08:16.449 --> 01:08:21.315
[SPEAKER_03]: There were fights in my house over where we were going to watch next generation or 605 on TBS.

01:08:21.455 --> 01:08:27.763
[SPEAKER_03]: So I always

01:08:28.199 --> 01:08:30.602
[SPEAKER_03]: So I want to see if they show the engineering room.

01:08:30.763 --> 01:08:33.066
[SPEAKER_01]: So the 90s were a wild time, my friend.

01:08:33.587 --> 01:08:34.508
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

01:08:35.649 --> 01:08:39.174
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I just think she's kind of in her Batista run, right?

01:08:39.214 --> 01:08:42.319
[SPEAKER_03]: Now, the pink polo shirt, Batista run, or it's just like, you know what?

01:08:42.359 --> 01:08:44.161
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm going to have fun doing these jackets.

01:08:44.782 --> 01:08:46.184
[SPEAKER_03]: I like doing Hollywood.

01:08:46.665 --> 01:08:50.610
[SPEAKER_03]: And if WWE fires me, I'll just go audition and stuff.

01:08:50.671 --> 01:08:51.652
[SPEAKER_03]: So that's what I figure.

01:08:52.093 --> 01:08:55.978
[SPEAKER_01]: You can run this intercontinental title program back with Page and Becky and do the exact same thing.

01:08:56.431 --> 01:08:58.596
[SPEAKER_03]: I just find the man character to be too much.

01:08:58.776 --> 01:08:59.898
[SPEAKER_03]: I just it's one of those.

01:08:59.918 --> 01:09:00.820
[SPEAKER_03]: It's like cinnamon.

01:09:00.961 --> 01:09:02.043
[SPEAKER_03]: It takes over in dish.

01:09:02.243 --> 01:09:05.751
[SPEAKER_03]: If you put it into much of it and it's just one of those states where it's like.

01:09:07.294 --> 01:09:17.275
[SPEAKER_03]: She doesn't really show ass as the man because she's too big of a star to show ass and so her holding this intercontinental title ends up drowning anybody she gets in a feud with.

01:09:18.098 --> 01:09:23.211
[SPEAKER_01]: She won't give the world title picture, but there's no room for her in the world title picture.

01:09:23.291 --> 01:09:26.680
[SPEAKER_01]: So now the intercontinental title become almost a defacto.

01:09:27.222 --> 01:09:27.502
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.

01:09:27.583 --> 01:09:29.307
[SPEAKER_01]: Now they're world title with her holding it.

01:09:29.877 --> 01:09:47.881
[SPEAKER_03]: Now, maybe Stephanie of a care losing can enter that title run and match her in terms of charisma and stuff, but it's just one of those things where it's like Lyra, Bailey, the Bella's, like everybody drowned in Becky's presence because Becky also kind of helps drown them a little bit.

01:09:47.921 --> 01:09:49.463
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't see that necessarily negatively.

01:09:49.503 --> 01:09:50.965
[SPEAKER_03]: She's protecting her character or something.

01:09:50.985 --> 01:09:52.747
[SPEAKER_03]: Her character is so over.

01:09:52.927 --> 01:09:58.855
[SPEAKER_03]: It's like being in a feud with Steve Austin and like taking out like Zack writer to go out there and kind of promo against him.

01:09:59.155 --> 01:10:01.239
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think she's doing it intentionally though.

01:10:01.319 --> 01:10:05.787
[SPEAKER_01]: I think she's just now incredibly good at her character that it should make everyone else look bad.

01:10:06.028 --> 01:10:08.292
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, but the character is so overwhelming.

01:10:08.873 --> 01:10:10.977
[SPEAKER_01]: It's a huge winning tournament.

01:10:10.997 --> 01:10:13.121
[SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, I get what you're saying about this in magic.

01:10:13.482 --> 01:10:16.247
[SPEAKER_01]: But I almost, I feel bad for her because it's not really her fault.

01:10:16.407 --> 01:10:19.172
[SPEAKER_01]: It's because the other ingredient is so weak.

01:10:19.895 --> 01:10:20.455
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

01:10:20.476 --> 01:10:25.920
[SPEAKER_00]: With Seth back as a baby face, I think we are in desperate need for Becky to be a baby face.

01:10:26.000 --> 01:10:28.362
[SPEAKER_00]: Give her one last run as a baby face.

01:10:28.503 --> 01:10:48.180
[SPEAKER_00]: If she is thinking that she's got more behind in her career than then forward because I think I think it would get over like crazy because she came back as a baby face for like one day and then she turned heel again and yeah, I think she I think at time, I think she can the fans are kind of it waiting for her just to be a baby face.

01:10:48.228 --> 01:10:50.210
[SPEAKER_03]: She owes Hayman a receipt.

01:10:50.591 --> 01:10:55.657
[SPEAKER_03]: That's what that's what will get her over as a baby face is getting back at Hayman for that line about the locker room.

01:10:55.697 --> 01:10:56.438
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes.

01:10:56.458 --> 01:11:03.046
[SPEAKER_03]: Get her out there and have her take that instant, instant, top woman in your company right there.

01:11:03.106 --> 01:11:09.314
[SPEAKER_01]: I actually don't think we've ever had a Becky Lynch and live Morgan program with any substance.

01:11:09.795 --> 01:11:12.839
[SPEAKER_01]: And that would actually probably be a pretty hot program.

01:11:13.339 --> 01:11:16.463
[SPEAKER_01]: If you let down that path and actually built to it,

01:11:18.113 --> 01:11:20.736
[SPEAKER_00]: All right, let's get through the rest of these matches.

01:11:21.237 --> 01:11:27.825
[SPEAKER_00]: Gunther and Seth Rollins, I will say for a match that I considered very good.

01:11:29.207 --> 01:11:32.311
[SPEAKER_00]: I was left wanting more by the end of it.

01:11:33.052 --> 01:11:36.837
[SPEAKER_00]: They were not creative at all about the Bronbraker spot.

01:11:37.478 --> 01:11:38.479
[SPEAKER_00]: They did not hide it.

01:11:38.759 --> 01:11:42.705
[SPEAKER_00]: They just had him run as fast as he could, twice and spear this man.

01:11:42.745 --> 01:11:45.228
[SPEAKER_00]: I was trying to figure out where the ref was.

01:11:45.308 --> 01:11:46.169
[SPEAKER_00]: The ref was not in the ref.

01:11:46.189 --> 01:11:46.990
[SPEAKER_01]: Checking on Gunther.

01:11:47.915 --> 01:12:00.118
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that's where I thought the ref was, but, you know, this is obviously setting up Braun and Seth, but I do think this match

01:12:01.229 --> 01:12:05.495
[SPEAKER_00]: could have gone another tick or two without the brawn thing, and it would have been better.

01:12:05.576 --> 01:12:12.386
[SPEAKER_00]: It could have been, you know, kind of nearing that classic quality, but what was weird, and I understand what they were trying to do.

01:12:13.187 --> 01:12:23.823
[SPEAKER_00]: But Michael Cole immediately said, this match is not going to be a five star classic, but what he meant was it's going to be a fight or a, or a brawl.

01:12:24.645 --> 01:12:26.207
[SPEAKER_00]: And, you know,

01:12:26.187 --> 01:12:31.346
[SPEAKER_00]: brawls are often some of the best classics out there in the history of wrestling.

01:12:31.366 --> 01:12:34.678
[SPEAKER_00]: I understood what he was saying, but they made it a point.

01:12:35.148 --> 01:12:40.093
[SPEAKER_00]: Almost to tell the fans like I know what you guys are expecting and you may not get it.

01:12:40.313 --> 01:13:03.957
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know if that was intentional as it sounded, but I wanted like two or three minutes and maybe just an up level of gunther taken it to the next level before we got the finish that we got because I think there's like there was a little bit of fruit hanging left hanging on that tree and I don't imagine they're going to wrestle again because it looks like

01:13:05.624 --> 01:13:06.809
[SPEAKER_03]: I really liked this match.

01:13:07.010 --> 01:13:11.770
[SPEAKER_03]: I was watching going, well, I'm watching a WrestleMania AEW Dynamite match for that.

01:13:13.859 --> 01:13:14.780
[SPEAKER_03]: Because that's what they're doing.

01:13:14.800 --> 01:13:23.234
[SPEAKER_03]: We're doing back Suplexes and just standing right up and not selling them doing another belly to back Suplexes and not selling up clothes like clothes like big spot big spot.

01:13:23.254 --> 01:13:31.427
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, and I think unfortunately Cole was setting you up for the brawn because yeah, what he was basically saying is yeah, this match is an ending clean.

01:13:31.707 --> 01:13:39.900
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, which which was kind of I mean up until then I was into this match quite a lot, but you know what he should have said he should have said.

01:13:41.213 --> 01:13:46.681
[SPEAKER_00]: Those of you who are expecting a continental classic, you're not going to get a contoh.

01:13:46.701 --> 01:13:50.787
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, I'm just a tweet, oh, no, because I don't need to hear people talking about that.

01:13:50.807 --> 01:13:53.551
[SPEAKER_03]: And I really don't, can I?

01:13:53.571 --> 01:13:56.014
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm gonna ask a question.

01:13:56.334 --> 01:14:03.845
[SPEAKER_03]: It might get me at a little trouble here with people, but I respect the hell out of Gunther and his fitness journey.

01:14:06.589 --> 01:14:10.815
[SPEAKER_03]: Is he too thin, has he lost too much weight?

01:14:23.418 --> 01:14:36.972
[SPEAKER_03]: Yes, and I remember going through, you know, he was a little he had a few pounds on him, but that helped him when he was chopping the hell up, even though I love that he did the Monroe Suzuki chair that set that the Monroe Suzuki chop spot.

01:14:36.992 --> 01:14:40.675
[SPEAKER_03]: That made me happy or no, but it's, uh, it's not no Monroe Suzuki.

01:14:40.695 --> 01:14:44.839
[SPEAKER_03]: It's, uh, that, that, that, that blue guy, um, Eugene Agada.

01:14:45.500 --> 01:14:48.843
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I think, I think it's Nagada isn't the guy that does with many traps.

01:14:48.864 --> 01:14:49.344
[SPEAKER_01]: You need to go to it.

01:14:49.364 --> 01:14:49.865
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

01:14:49.885 --> 01:14:50.225
[SPEAKER_03]: Thank you.

01:14:50.946 --> 01:14:51.366
[SPEAKER_03]: Um,

01:14:52.443 --> 01:15:01.340
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I just, it's one of the super, I'm watching there's a guy, man, he used to be Vader and now he's very wind up, what's going on with this right?

01:15:01.581 --> 01:15:13.624
[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe he thinks that the longevity is really about saving those knees, man, and I imagine it's also about not wanting to get on juice, which is a good thing for his.

01:15:13.604 --> 01:15:16.267
[SPEAKER_03]: it might be not wearing wearing knee pads.

01:15:16.507 --> 01:15:21.873
[SPEAKER_03]: That might be what I've looked at because his legs looked torn up in the match.

01:15:22.434 --> 01:15:27.260
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, he was bleeding from the top of his knee and I was like, brother, you got to get some knee pads.

01:15:27.360 --> 01:15:27.680
[SPEAKER_01]: Come on.

01:15:27.700 --> 01:15:30.784
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, and I think that would make his legs look thicker.

01:15:30.824 --> 01:15:32.105
[SPEAKER_03]: I think that's my issue right there.

01:15:33.006 --> 01:15:34.227
[SPEAKER_03]: I think we've seen this issue, guys.

01:15:34.287 --> 01:15:35.629
[SPEAKER_03]: We can all, you know,

01:15:35.609 --> 01:15:48.160
[SPEAKER_00]: We've unified the wrestling world with this take we haven't seen a hamburger meat chest like Seth's and quite a while That was that that looks pretty pencil because this man's tops were fun man.

01:15:48.180 --> 01:15:51.343
[SPEAKER_03]: That's that's my There's my 19-year-old crocket.

01:15:51.583 --> 01:15:52.584
[SPEAKER_03]: Come on baby.

01:15:52.644 --> 01:15:53.805
[SPEAKER_03]: Give me all of that.

01:15:53.986 --> 01:16:05.616
[SPEAKER_01]: I was waiting for it I'd like to complain about him and talk about how we did I feel like this match actually saved a show in a way

01:16:05.596 --> 01:16:24.077
[SPEAKER_01]: The other ones were Gimmett, and they were there, and big PLE matches, but actually like WrestleMania in the ring, not the Andrew Kives, not any of the other stuff, but what you were getting in the ring, Bell to Bell felt more like Mania than anything else at the card up to

01:16:24.057 --> 01:16:48.034
[SPEAKER_03]: I will agree with that whole heartedly because remember WrestleMania used to be the the season finale of everything and it would build up to these big Fuds and these big you know these big you know and things and then the next week or whatever we start a new and go into the next Fuds and stuff like this and a lot of these felt like transitions and and none of them felt like Big grudge matches.

01:16:48.114 --> 01:16:49.997
[SPEAKER_03]: Maybe Jacob drew maybe

01:16:50.399 --> 01:17:02.336
[SPEAKER_03]: But yeah, no, I would agree with that wholeheartedly, I would, and okay, fashion review was that CG IR did, did Seth actually have context because they changed very quickly.

01:17:02.356 --> 01:17:05.641
[SPEAKER_03]: And I did and I, well, it looked like context, but I didn't see him take them out.

01:17:07.624 --> 01:17:13.733
[SPEAKER_01]: And he didn't have, I didn't see G contact nowadays and that they would do that for the ramp.

01:17:14.514 --> 01:17:18.820
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know if they're going to mess with that with a physical match.

01:17:18.985 --> 01:17:47.608
[SPEAKER_03]: and well for lady big well you to see a good through he was wearing his basic black trench coat very stylish very good in all sorts of smoking jacket that's that's what she's probably getting that is he was packed like like I think a greater ice cream you order online and just had a bunch of look you can't blame the guy if he's in the middle of burning it all down and he forget he has a match and he has to come out and his jacket's still on fire

01:17:49.006 --> 01:17:50.328
[SPEAKER_00]: You haven't seen that one before.

01:17:53.574 --> 01:18:04.712
[SPEAKER_00]: So we didn't mention the finish of the match, but basically, Gunther had locked Seth in a rear naked choke at one point Seth got out of it.

01:18:05.253 --> 01:18:13.006
[SPEAKER_00]: They had traded close lines and Seth took the hardest one, and this is kind of what you're talking about where they're not really selling much.

01:18:13.066 --> 01:18:14.288
[SPEAKER_00]: They're just getting up.

01:18:14.268 --> 01:18:18.295
[SPEAKER_00]: So, Seth closed lines of Gunther and Gunther comes right back and takes his dudes head off.

01:18:18.876 --> 01:18:23.383
[SPEAKER_00]: And Gunther goes to the top rope and Seth just walks over and grabs him in a soup of bucks.

01:18:23.403 --> 01:18:25.667
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, this is like, eh, not selling this stuff.

01:18:25.687 --> 01:18:27.109
[SPEAKER_03]: Seth don't make a man, everybody.

01:18:27.129 --> 01:18:29.073
[SPEAKER_03]: He's just coming in.

01:18:29.293 --> 01:18:35.103
[SPEAKER_00]: And so then, Rollins does his three dives to the outside underneath the top rope.

01:18:35.583 --> 01:18:37.727
[SPEAKER_00]: Gunther catches him on the third.

01:18:37.707 --> 01:18:43.994
[SPEAKER_00]: gives him two power bombs and is going to go for a third, Seth turned it into a pedigree on the announcer's table.

01:18:44.454 --> 01:18:49.139
[SPEAKER_00]: Then he gave Gunther a stump running from one of the announcer tables to the other.

01:18:49.820 --> 01:19:02.553
[SPEAKER_00]: That's when he was really happy with himself and Braun Breaker sprinted towards him, speared him, dumped him in the ring, Gunther put the rear naked choke back on and then he went out.

01:19:02.754 --> 01:19:06.938
[SPEAKER_00]: And then that's when

01:19:07.525 --> 01:19:08.426
[SPEAKER_00]: down the aisle.

01:19:08.446 --> 01:19:26.709
[SPEAKER_00]: And I don't know, like, I imagine Braun in doing this spear took the brunt of whatever the force was supposed to be because he did it very lightly and he did kind of a flip and roll over on his shoulder, but this brother was going fast.

01:19:27.550 --> 01:19:32.917
[SPEAKER_00]: And he, when he hit, when he kind of got up, he kind of had this look on his face like, oh, yeah, that sucked, but that was a great moment.

01:19:33.478 --> 01:19:35.220
[SPEAKER_00]: And that's how this match ended.

01:19:36.668 --> 01:19:39.451
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, the second one was even more of a glancing blow.

01:19:40.893 --> 01:19:52.725
[SPEAKER_01]: I did wish that on that second one, if they stuck to the shot from the drone where he was just sprinting down because it really, really conveyed how fast he was going.

01:19:53.186 --> 01:19:55.869
[SPEAKER_01]: And then they cut to the other shot at the very end.

01:19:56.289 --> 01:20:04.498
[SPEAKER_01]: Where you can kind of see if he did the whole like ricochet off of him off of him with the spear and it looked visually good.

01:20:04.478 --> 01:20:13.351
[SPEAKER_01]: But I can only imagine what it will look like if he had if they just kept that shot of him Rating down and just hitting him from that far shot.

01:20:13.531 --> 01:20:24.267
[SPEAKER_03]: I just had PTSD from Football where like when I tried out for UVA You ended practice with hundred yard dashes back and forth.

01:20:24.287 --> 01:20:25.609
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm just going to cut it

01:20:25.589 --> 01:20:37.290
[SPEAKER_03]: You're going to hunt your dash followed by a tackle because no one was close to that, but you just kept doing hundred yard dashes back and forth, I was like, I just don't understand how people do this for a living.

01:20:40.756 --> 01:20:44.863
[SPEAKER_00]: So then we got live Morgan and Stephanie Vaker, I thought they.

01:20:45.890 --> 01:20:48.132
[SPEAKER_00]: handled the beginning of this match very well.

01:20:48.192 --> 01:21:02.486
[SPEAKER_00]: We talked about live basically doing an MTV VMA's performance down the ring and being about a half a second behind the actual audio track in her lip syncing.

01:21:02.927 --> 01:21:04.688
[SPEAKER_00]: And I was like, this woman's going to get blown up.

01:21:05.169 --> 01:21:08.152
[SPEAKER_00]: But she knew this match was not going to be very long.

01:21:08.312 --> 01:21:14.698
[SPEAKER_00]: So she had, she had her wind throughout the whole match.

01:21:16.028 --> 01:21:26.845
[SPEAKER_00]: She's got presents, but it doesn't necessarily translate always into charisma for the fans to get behind her, except for when she does the devil's kiss move.

01:21:26.865 --> 01:21:42.188
[SPEAKER_00]: The fans get behind that, but I was waiting because like, man, you know, live has been trashing her mom, and this and that, and I was just waiting, you know, one of the fans gonna really, really get behind her, but I think they saw both of them as is kind of baby faces in a sense.

01:21:42.404 --> 01:21:50.001
[SPEAKER_00]: And then after this really good start of everything was kind of urgent and on fire and they were getting their stuff in

01:21:50.470 --> 01:21:55.135
[SPEAKER_00]: Then we got the judgment day stuff, Roxanne Perez and Ruckel Rodriguez.

01:21:55.155 --> 01:21:56.896
[SPEAKER_00]: This was their moment to get on the show.

01:21:56.996 --> 01:21:58.157
[SPEAKER_00]: Dom was there as well.

01:21:58.618 --> 01:21:59.499
[SPEAKER_00]: They interfere.

01:22:00.239 --> 01:22:07.306
[SPEAKER_00]: Stephanie does the one dumb baby face thing, which is she does a dive over the top onto Ruckel and Roxanne.

01:22:07.366 --> 01:22:13.472
[SPEAKER_00]: And she's so happy with herself that she looks directly towards the camera smiles.

01:22:13.592 --> 01:22:16.275
[SPEAKER_00]: That she was gonna give like a thumbs up or something.

01:22:16.255 --> 01:22:28.831
[SPEAKER_00]: And then that's when live throws her into the steps, gets back into the ring, does a code breaker from the middle rope, and then puts her in the oblivion and pins her.

01:22:29.011 --> 01:22:29.953
[SPEAKER_00]: And I don't know it.

01:22:30.053 --> 01:22:43.630
[SPEAKER_00]: I felt like they were at a fast pace, but then it just changed to a Monday net raw finish in

01:22:44.723 --> 01:22:46.866
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, my note, my note was raw match.

01:22:47.967 --> 01:22:49.209
[SPEAKER_03]: That's pretty much what it was.

01:22:49.269 --> 01:22:51.932
[SPEAKER_03]: Let me address a couple of things because you kind of brought them up.

01:22:51.972 --> 01:22:57.980
[SPEAKER_03]: Number one, live, this is her best character that she's ever played, by the way, the bratty.

01:22:58.280 --> 01:23:02.025
[SPEAKER_03]: And the best, let it it it, just do it that annoying thing.

01:23:02.666 --> 01:23:07.592
[SPEAKER_03]: I think she was a second behind of the lipstick because she was listening to the inn,

01:23:07.572 --> 01:23:12.121
[SPEAKER_03]: stadium music, and it takes a second for the noise to bounce off, they should have gave her an earpiece.

01:23:12.141 --> 01:23:13.283
[SPEAKER_00]: She should have had an earpiece.

01:23:13.423 --> 01:23:14.445
[SPEAKER_03]: She should have had an earpiece.

01:23:14.545 --> 01:23:16.368
[SPEAKER_03]: She should have definitely had earpiece.

01:23:16.388 --> 01:23:22.560
[SPEAKER_03]: Stephanie, but get I am with you on on a lot of this, but I find her charismatic as hell, and I think.

01:23:23.013 --> 01:23:24.095
[SPEAKER_03]: her character.

01:23:24.196 --> 01:23:34.016
[SPEAKER_03]: I think they tell her to play stoic and it sucks because she plays stoic but kind of with a little bit of a smirk tour because like this is her first WrestleMania.

01:23:34.056 --> 01:23:34.778
[SPEAKER_03]: I didn't realize this.

01:23:34.798 --> 01:23:40.009
[SPEAKER_03]: I thought this was her second WrestleMania but she's coming down and you you see

01:23:39.989 --> 01:23:42.091
[SPEAKER_03]: the the moment's cat overtakes her back.

01:23:42.111 --> 01:23:47.438
[SPEAKER_03]: He gets his big grin and she's electric when she tells a big grin that she has to go back to the kind of stoicism thing.

01:23:47.458 --> 01:23:54.966
[SPEAKER_03]: And you're like, uh, okay, but it also happened like, they must have an edict that you can't look directly into the 4k camera.

01:23:55.507 --> 01:23:58.490
[SPEAKER_03]: Because she did for a moment have the big grin I go, there it is.

01:23:58.590 --> 01:24:02.655
[SPEAKER_03]: There's the electricity and then she had to look away real quick.

01:24:02.635 --> 01:24:30.415
[SPEAKER_03]: her best moment in this match was when she does the oblivion and she has this big shitting and grin on her face and they got away and and they cut away from a kind of her it's covered by her and she has to go back to the stoicism and being frustrated about it's like no let her smile I know you put her in devil horns and she's the dark queen and what not but let the woman smile because it's electric and it's awesome and it lights up the cat I mean that's when

01:24:30.395 --> 01:24:32.780
[SPEAKER_03]: She went when she's doing the one thing and she's posing.

01:24:33.121 --> 01:24:37.351
[SPEAKER_03]: She's stoic, but she hasn't been of a smirk going a little bit of a grin like you know it.

01:24:37.431 --> 01:24:41.721
[SPEAKER_03]: It's like that's that's who she should be not the dark brooding

01:24:42.680 --> 01:25:00.455
[SPEAKER_00]: Empress of the underworld, they're one of the hell they have her, she treats the matches like a competition in a sense sometimes, like she does a move and she knows it's clean because she's really good and she's kind of happy with herself because she knows she did it well.

01:25:00.655 --> 01:25:08.282
[SPEAKER_00]: I like that part of her personality, like there were very early when she got into WWE because she, you know, she rose through it pretty quickly.

01:25:08.702 --> 01:25:11.725
[SPEAKER_00]: And there were moments where I was watching her wrestle thinking like,

01:25:11.705 --> 01:25:28.887
[SPEAKER_00]: She knows she's way better than this other person she's entering with and she is expressing that through her facial expressions like I can sense that she's she's like yeah, I'm just way better than this person but when you have someone as over the top and charismatic as live

01:25:28.951 --> 01:25:53.461
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, Stephanie can't change gears to to reach that and you know, she's still young ish, but you know, eventually maybe with a little bit more seasoning, she'll figure out away, but it's like, um, in hip hop when you have like two rappers on the song and the famous one is a jazzy and M&M jazzy, uh, the blueprint.

01:25:54.202 --> 01:25:58.587
[SPEAKER_00]: M&M is the guest on his song and everyone was

01:25:58.718 --> 01:26:22.127
[SPEAKER_00]: Eminem like murdered Jay Z on his own song he actually looks like way better and that's kind of what I saw on this matches like Stephanie's the better wrestler And then live just decided to dial her character up to a to a notch that Stephanie just was unable to get to And I think the crowd reacted to that more so than how good in the ring Stephanie can be at times

01:26:22.310 --> 01:26:49.026
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, get to play the story in addition to the, in addition to the work in the ring and look talked about her mother talked about this stuff that should have been a little bit less wrestling match and a little bit more fighting and I think the negative stuff that I saw in line was that's what we wanted and instead we got judgment day nonsense oh yes, yeah, so here's the thing.

01:26:49.833 --> 01:26:53.821
[SPEAKER_01]: Even if a character is a good writer, arguably a very good wrestler.

01:26:54.783 --> 01:26:59.512
[SPEAKER_01]: But I'm kind of sitting here thinking about every sense of the way she got the title.

01:27:00.093 --> 01:27:05.985
[SPEAKER_01]: I can't really think of a good or great match that she had as a world champion defending that title.

01:27:06.505 --> 01:27:16.234
[SPEAKER_01]: And so I'm wondering if there's a little bit of buyers remorse on WWE on their part about elevating her to this level so quickly, so fast.

01:27:16.295 --> 01:27:20.258
[SPEAKER_01]: Because you remember we're 18 months ago.

01:27:20.679 --> 01:27:21.840
[SPEAKER_01]: She's that forbidden door.

01:27:22.100 --> 01:27:24.002
[SPEAKER_01]: She messes with Mercedes Monet.

01:27:24.422 --> 01:27:25.784
[SPEAKER_01]: She has this great match.

01:27:25.804 --> 01:27:28.126
[SPEAKER_01]: They sign her away, put her in NFT.

01:27:28.667 --> 01:27:32.650
[SPEAKER_01]: Every, every step of the way, it's just like reaction to admatches.

01:27:33.091 --> 01:27:36.394
[SPEAKER_01]: She gets that main roster and she'll look flat toast.

01:27:36.374 --> 01:27:37.956
[SPEAKER_01]: like I think that's the best way to put it.

01:27:38.437 --> 01:27:51.256
[SPEAKER_01]: She is good, but she hasn't found her confidence on that world level in a way that the rest of the roster like the real Ripley and the Liv Morgan's have been able to find their character in that sort of way.

01:27:51.897 --> 01:27:56.965
[SPEAKER_01]: So I'm not sure if this title rain was a success.

01:27:57.502 --> 01:28:11.157
[SPEAKER_01]: But I think that they need to cultivate her and give her some more time down the line and I think she'll have a better run in her later on, but I think it was a right call for live Morgan to get to title here.

01:28:11.457 --> 01:28:16.382
[SPEAKER_01]: don't think that Stephanie will be able to write if that won't happen.

01:28:16.402 --> 01:28:22.028
[SPEAKER_01]: Remember there was a the Raquel match that she had people were like, let's make it Raquel live Morgan for Recklomania.

01:28:22.088 --> 01:28:25.632
[SPEAKER_01]: This is this is a great like a great pivot that we can do.

01:28:26.032 --> 01:28:26.673
[SPEAKER_01]: And it didn't happen.

01:28:26.713 --> 01:28:28.875
[SPEAKER_01]: People were like, yeah, Stephanie, the Cara live Morgan.

01:28:29.296 --> 01:28:30.337
[SPEAKER_01]: Sure, that's fine.

01:28:30.877 --> 01:28:36.263
[SPEAKER_01]: And they really got people into it with the Mary Ann, with the the concussion and the the fight.

01:28:36.363 --> 01:28:37.144
[SPEAKER_01]: But

01:28:37.124 --> 01:28:42.015
[SPEAKER_01]: It never felt like Stephanie was the world champion to send your title.

01:28:42.035 --> 01:28:46.145
[SPEAKER_03]: Right, and I never felt like on promo, she was able to get over on anybody.

01:28:46.706 --> 01:28:48.370
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm looking at her cage match right now.

01:28:48.530 --> 01:28:51.297
[SPEAKER_03]: Let me tell you the people that she had fused with Nikki Bella.

01:28:51.397 --> 01:28:52.519
[SPEAKER_03]: Does anybody remember that one?

01:28:53.081 --> 01:28:54.103
[SPEAKER_03]: Okay.

01:28:54.573 --> 01:28:59.760
[SPEAKER_03]: Raquel Rodriguez, Roxanne Perez, Raquel Rodriguez, Raquel Rodriguez, Raquel Rodriguez, Raquel Rodriguez, Raquel Rodriguez, Raquel Rodriguez.

01:28:59.800 --> 01:29:02.604
[SPEAKER_03]: He did a couple of, like, tat, she did a tag with Tiffany Strattling.

01:29:02.624 --> 01:29:04.486
[SPEAKER_03]: It's Julian Kiana.

01:29:04.907 --> 01:29:09.773
[SPEAKER_03]: She did have a match with Kyrie Saine back in the day, but her best match was early in her thing.

01:29:10.114 --> 01:29:14.480
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, Ivy Nile, there's a good, you know, Chelsea Green on Super Show's.

01:29:14.520 --> 01:29:22.150
[SPEAKER_03]: The best match that she had probably of her run was that 14 minute, 15 minute, no contest with EO.

01:29:22.855 --> 01:29:24.799
[SPEAKER_00]: I was I was going to say you're right.

01:29:25.360 --> 01:29:25.640
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

01:29:25.660 --> 01:29:26.963
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, yeah, he was fantastic.

01:29:27.003 --> 01:29:31.151
[SPEAKER_00]: But put it like give her a program with Oscar.

01:29:31.171 --> 01:29:33.255
[SPEAKER_00]: And you can say that just about anybody, right?

01:29:33.516 --> 01:29:35.379
[SPEAKER_00]: Put anybody with Oscar and they'll get better.

01:29:35.940 --> 01:29:45.218
[SPEAKER_00]: But I would love to see her in

01:29:45.198 --> 01:30:10.986
[SPEAKER_03]: Give her Becky, give her Bailey, give her people, give her Charlotte, give her Alexa, give her that tier of people to work against instead of what they were doing was they were afraid they're afraid to put her over some of their established stars as champion and then so instead they give her these she was doing midcard feuds as the champion.

01:30:12.637 --> 01:30:15.160
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, so John Cena comes out.

01:30:15.260 --> 01:30:29.114
[SPEAKER_00]: John Cena's hosting gig was one segment to start the show where he was just kind of like, I'm here guys, and then the next segment was right for the main event where he announces the attendance number of 50,860.

01:30:29.314 --> 01:30:31.677
[SPEAKER_00]: He did not say paid by the way.

01:30:31.717 --> 01:30:34.660
[SPEAKER_00]: He just said, these are the amount of people who's in this building.

01:30:34.680 --> 01:30:36.441
[SPEAKER_01]: That will get mad on the discord.

01:30:37.202 --> 01:30:38.003
[SPEAKER_01]: Not say paid.

01:30:39.316 --> 01:31:00.042
[SPEAKER_00]: Bianca Bell air comes out and she's in a very large outfit that is covering up something which she then showed was her belly because she is pregnant and I couldn't tell how far pregnant she was but you know she was showing

01:31:00.022 --> 01:31:04.267
[SPEAKER_00]: And she's, she cried and she was holding back tears.

01:31:04.327 --> 01:31:12.978
[SPEAKER_00]: It was a really nice moment and it's really cool for her in Montez and you're going to have to wait for for Bianca for a little while longer.

01:31:13.018 --> 01:31:19.686
[SPEAKER_00]: We were waiting for her and that Rhea and Bianca match is going to be there in a few years when it's ready to happen.

01:31:19.826 --> 01:31:21.608
[SPEAKER_00]: And it's just really cool because

01:31:21.588 --> 01:31:30.301
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, we saw the stat with Naomi where she was in the biggest run of her life and then she was pregnant and she had to take time away.

01:31:30.321 --> 01:31:31.402
[SPEAKER_00]: She's still not back yet.

01:31:31.903 --> 01:31:49.789
[SPEAKER_00]: But this is like real life stuff that happens to people and you know, I think it's really cool to allow them rather than they just go away and you have to see the moment on Instagram, you get to see it

01:31:52.081 --> 01:32:18.645
[SPEAKER_03]: uh... yet that uh... that uh... that kids already alternate for uh... twenty twenty eight at the Olympics uh... my god that's how athletic that child is going to be uh... between the two of them uh... and also congratulations at john scene if we're either a great headdance and style hairpiece for the for the second round of plugs that are down to fill in the back uh... that's a pretty damn good job that his doctor did so everybody congratulations everybody all the way around

01:32:19.098 --> 01:32:35.265
[SPEAKER_01]: Congratulations to Bianca, and I'm also incredibly thankful that we can put the bed in her finger wreck if she ever coming back that is now secondary to everything else and we'll just cross that bridge in a year if it crossed it at all.

01:32:36.287 --> 01:32:36.707
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, maybe.

01:32:36.727 --> 01:32:38.350
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, she's 37, 38.

01:32:38.570 --> 01:32:43.198
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, she's she's she's Intermit and Lisa Intermit 30's

01:32:43.600 --> 01:32:51.510
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, so we'll see if motherhood, you know, I mean, look, there's nothing wrong with leaving your job to go raise your child.

01:32:51.530 --> 01:32:53.272
[SPEAKER_03]: There's absolutely nothing wrong with that.

01:32:53.292 --> 01:32:55.294
[SPEAKER_03]: So if this, this is it, and that was a good bye.

01:32:55.775 --> 01:32:58.178
[SPEAKER_03]: Man, heck of a career, she said.

01:32:58.518 --> 01:32:59.299
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, absolutely.

01:33:00.580 --> 01:33:11.093
[SPEAKER_00]: So, made of end time, was making dinner, and I thought, I wonder if I can actually finish making dinner.

01:33:12.608 --> 01:33:21.199
[SPEAKER_00]: During these entrances, and I actually finished making dinner and sat down right at the start of the match.

01:33:21.219 --> 01:33:22.661
[SPEAKER_00]: So I missed it, I'm nothing.

01:33:22.681 --> 01:33:29.810
[SPEAKER_00]: This was like if Roman Reigns faced himself at WrestleMania with how long these entrances were.

01:33:29.850 --> 01:33:33.334
[SPEAKER_00]: Because Jeremy and I were talking back and forth going like,

01:33:33.770 --> 01:33:38.880
[SPEAKER_00]: are we really going to get out of here by six, okay, art this man's show.

01:33:38.900 --> 01:33:41.304
[SPEAKER_03]: I thought the only one who did I looked at the campaign.

01:33:41.325 --> 01:33:43.128
[SPEAKER_03]: We were making great time on this show.

01:33:43.208 --> 01:33:50.101
[SPEAKER_03]: It's quarter to the top hour that I realized, oh, crap, we got a half hour before this next man starts so that Randy can walk to the ring.

01:33:50.462 --> 01:33:53.027
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it was he.

01:33:53.007 --> 01:34:04.080
[SPEAKER_00]: You know how sometimes the old school wrestlers would say, you know, just when you think you have to slow it down like slow it down even more than then you thought that's what Randy did during this entrance he was like, okay.

01:34:04.981 --> 01:34:06.322
[SPEAKER_00]: How slow should I walk?

01:34:06.803 --> 01:34:10.087
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to even go slower than I think I should walk.

01:34:10.207 --> 01:34:14.712
[SPEAKER_00]: I was just like this dude is he is.

01:34:14.692 --> 01:34:17.796
[SPEAKER_00]: Whatever the reason is, I don't know that it mattered.

01:34:18.297 --> 01:34:21.241
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know that it made his presence more important.

01:34:22.062 --> 01:34:26.588
[SPEAKER_03]: If I Smith was watching this, he's saying he's going too slow to the ring.

01:34:27.970 --> 01:34:33.177
[SPEAKER_01]: I watched that Viper entrance and I was like, how's this guy not the big baby face on this flight?

01:34:33.197 --> 01:34:34.579
[SPEAKER_00]: But you know what?

01:34:34.599 --> 01:34:39.265
[SPEAKER_00]: The crowd was watching him walk so slow and they're like,

01:34:40.139 --> 01:34:42.603
[SPEAKER_00]: do we cheer because can we keep the cheer?

01:34:42.683 --> 01:34:44.206
[SPEAKER_00]: Like they didn't really know what to do.

01:34:44.226 --> 01:34:51.819
[SPEAKER_00]: It was kind of quiet except there was a lady in a red dress and she was wearing like a sweater over her red dress.

01:34:52.360 --> 01:34:56.206
[SPEAKER_00]: And she turned the voices song into kind of like a pop.

01:34:56.226 --> 01:35:02.637
[SPEAKER_00]: Like she like created like her own little dance move to this slow ass song, which I thought was really impressive.

01:35:03.038 --> 01:35:21.891
[SPEAKER_00]: And then we got the Cody the four faces of Cody or whatever that thing was with the mannequins of all of his different looks and I was actually kind of surprised to see the dashing Cody Rhodes look with the mask they showed star dust and they were telling the story.

01:35:22.310 --> 01:35:39.178
[SPEAKER_00]: On the video package right before the match, they told the story that they needed to be telling all along, they waited for the moment of the match to tell it, but it was to create this idea with everybody about the mentor and who's going to turn on who and this and that.

01:35:39.259 --> 01:35:40.681
[SPEAKER_00]: So it was well done.

01:35:40.721 --> 01:35:46.090
[SPEAKER_00]: We just needed it like four weeks ago, instead of on the night of actual WrestleMania.

01:35:46.289 --> 01:35:52.064
[SPEAKER_00]: So Pat McAfee jump starts the match hits Cody with the microphone.

01:35:52.565 --> 01:35:59.563
[SPEAKER_00]: Cody eventually gives Pat the crossroads and he puts Cody or he puts out Randy on the announcer's table.

01:35:59.583 --> 01:36:01.648
[SPEAKER_00]: The announcer's table got a lot of work tonight.

01:36:02.557 --> 01:36:15.498
[SPEAKER_00]: And of all people, my arch nemesis, jelly roll came out, jumped from one side of the announcer's table to the other announcer's table, gave Pat and elbow the table broke.

01:36:16.300 --> 01:36:28.159
[SPEAKER_00]: They're bringing a stretcher for Pat, but instead of like leaving him on the ground and putting the stretcher underneath him, they pick him up and then roll him over to put him on the stretcher.

01:36:28.848 --> 01:36:35.938
[SPEAKER_00]: Pat's best wrestling work of his entire career was him going back on the stretcher.

01:36:37.032 --> 01:36:39.837
[SPEAKER_00]: to the backstage and giving the thumbs up.

01:36:39.957 --> 01:36:41.780
[SPEAKER_00]: That was so awesome.

01:36:42.201 --> 01:36:50.355
[SPEAKER_00]: I was like, this dude, he hasn't been given the best stuff to do or say, but he understands how to do it.

01:36:50.936 --> 01:36:53.641
[SPEAKER_00]: And that was like the perfect moment for him to do that.

01:36:54.282 --> 01:37:01.875
[SPEAKER_00]: And then we get the imperfect moment of jelly roll screaming at Cody going

01:37:02.092 --> 01:37:03.955
[SPEAKER_00]: now it's one on one.

01:37:03.995 --> 01:37:09.365
[SPEAKER_00]: The fans get to see what they've been wanting to see the whole time I'm just like, dude, just shut up.

01:37:09.445 --> 01:37:09.825
[SPEAKER_00]: Just leave.

01:37:09.845 --> 01:37:11.488
[SPEAKER_03]: You don't need a monologue here, brother.

01:37:11.528 --> 01:37:14.173
[SPEAKER_03]: Just say, now it's one on one and leave it at the end.

01:37:14.233 --> 01:37:14.914
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, no.

01:37:15.756 --> 01:37:16.858
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, we get it.

01:37:16.958 --> 01:37:23.509
[SPEAKER_00]: We understood you what you giving this dude an elbow drop meant as you can tell, not the biggest jelly.

01:37:23.489 --> 01:37:28.116
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, it's not that it's just it's there's it's like yeah, we miss the subtlety of that.

01:37:28.357 --> 01:37:28.937
[SPEAKER_03]: Jelly roll.

01:37:28.998 --> 01:37:31.181
[SPEAKER_03]: You got to explain that just right now.

01:37:31.361 --> 01:37:31.862
[SPEAKER_03]: Okay.

01:37:31.882 --> 01:37:32.042
[SPEAKER_03]: Cool.

01:37:32.984 --> 01:37:35.427
[SPEAKER_00]: So the match starts out really slow.

01:37:35.628 --> 01:37:45.182
[SPEAKER_00]: But Michael Cole starts saying that you know there's been some internet rumors and I also heard this backstage that Randy has back injury and I was like, oh, here we go.

01:37:46.084 --> 01:37:49.429
[SPEAKER_00]: So the match is purposely slow.

01:37:49.409 --> 01:37:51.172
[SPEAKER_00]: the crowd doesn't know what to do.

01:37:51.212 --> 01:37:52.534
[SPEAKER_00]: They're just sitting on their hands.

01:37:53.515 --> 01:37:59.324
[SPEAKER_00]: And then we got to the spot that I explained earlier where Cody Ram's Randy's head into the post and then Randy starts bleeding.

01:38:00.025 --> 01:38:07.937
[SPEAKER_00]: And the crowd is kind of moving Cody, but there's still a little trepidacious that, you know, they don't want to be made a fool here about what's going on.

01:38:09.079 --> 01:38:16.210
[SPEAKER_00]: So the psychology is Cody is being

01:38:16.190 --> 01:38:34.536
[SPEAKER_00]: And at the moment, we were all thinking like if Cody shows sympathy for the heel again and then loses he's going to be a two time stupid baby face at WrestleMania back to back years, but that was not what happened.

01:38:34.752 --> 01:38:37.796
[SPEAKER_00]: The announcers are trying to sell that this was the finish.

01:38:37.997 --> 01:38:39.679
[SPEAKER_00]: The fans knew that this was not finished.

01:38:39.759 --> 01:38:41.221
[SPEAKER_00]: We all knew that this was not finished.

01:38:42.162 --> 01:38:59.967
[SPEAKER_00]: Orton gets poked in the eyes and hits the RKO on the referee as if he was that blinded that he just automatically thought Cody ran right around and in back of him to to give this person the RKO.

01:39:00.368 --> 01:39:15.751
[SPEAKER_00]: So this allows for Pat McAfee to come back out, because Cody goes for the Cody cutter, then he gets it with the arcade, but there's no ref, so Pat runs down with his ref shirt.

01:39:16.532 --> 01:39:18.775
[SPEAKER_00]: Cody kicks out, Pat does the wrong thing.

01:39:18.795 --> 01:39:21.299
[SPEAKER_03]: No, no, no, wait, we need to just stop right there.

01:39:21.339 --> 01:39:23.322
[SPEAKER_03]: The dumbest heel ref ever.

01:39:23.642 --> 01:39:24.283
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.

01:39:25.276 --> 01:39:27.460
[SPEAKER_00]: Don't do the fast count, Teddy long.

01:39:27.480 --> 01:39:28.703
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, come on, man.

01:39:29.143 --> 01:39:30.606
[SPEAKER_00]: You know what I thought he was gonna do?

01:39:30.626 --> 01:39:39.283
[SPEAKER_00]: I thought he was gonna do the Shane McMahon thing, where he's about to count three and then he like grabs his shoulder as if he couldn't actually do that.

01:39:39.303 --> 01:39:40.786
[SPEAKER_00]: I thought that's what I thought was gonna happen.

01:39:40.806 --> 01:39:42.269
[SPEAKER_03]: Here, okay, here's what I thought.

01:39:42.329 --> 01:39:47.098
[SPEAKER_03]: I thought it was so slow that on the cat, like Charles Robinson was gonna grab the arm.

01:39:47.078 --> 01:39:56.071
[SPEAKER_03]: And stop it from coming down like he had like riveted line and I know you will not count this three this match will go up and then Charles Robinson gets his moment in the match.

01:39:56.291 --> 01:39:57.433
[SPEAKER_03]: Okay, here's the question though.

01:39:58.655 --> 01:39:59.616
[SPEAKER_00]: It wouldn't have counted.

01:39:59.656 --> 01:40:01.058
[SPEAKER_00]: He's not the referee of the match.

01:40:01.078 --> 01:40:02.621
[SPEAKER_00]: He's not an actual referee.

01:40:03.342 --> 01:40:05.004
[SPEAKER_00]: That shouldn't have been a DQ also.

01:40:05.164 --> 01:40:06.787
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, my goodness.

01:40:06.927 --> 01:40:07.267
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.

01:40:07.327 --> 01:40:13.997
[SPEAKER_00]: So then Randy sniffs it out and gives Pat McAfee the RKO

01:40:15.175 --> 01:40:19.782
[SPEAKER_00]: and then that allows Cody to hit the crossroads to then win the match.

01:40:20.744 --> 01:40:28.235
[SPEAKER_00]: Randy grabs the belt after the match hits Cody with it as Cody is celebrating Randy then punch Cody the end.

01:40:28.475 --> 01:40:33.423
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know if you guys saw this, but they showed a photo of Cody's eye.

01:40:33.463 --> 01:40:35.887
[SPEAKER_00]: It is an absolute mess.

01:40:35.907 --> 01:40:41.976
[SPEAKER_00]: Randy must have shoot kicked him right in the eyeball because his eye was completely shut.

01:40:42.243 --> 01:40:50.855
[SPEAKER_00]: It looked like it would look like it looked like a rocky movie with all the makeup on the eye is what it looked like.

01:40:51.175 --> 01:40:56.122
[SPEAKER_00]: So that's where we ended it in the shows over Travis Scott said nice shot, Randy.

01:40:56.503 --> 01:41:00.068
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yes, yes.

01:41:01.770 --> 01:41:12.064
[SPEAKER_00]: So before we get out of here, tomorrow, Kila and Scott are going to do the post show tomorrow.

01:41:12.635 --> 01:41:24.290
[SPEAKER_03]: Brock over and I hope it lasts like two minutes and that's it and then Brock gets on his plane and then Gunther retires in the next match Look, this is what I want to get out of my head Jeff get out of my head.

01:41:24.651 --> 01:41:26.994
[SPEAKER_03]: No, well, it's not for any reason because I hate Brock.

01:41:27.014 --> 01:41:31.740
[SPEAKER_03]: I just want big bad men fighting for a quick knockout and then and then it's awesome

01:41:31.720 --> 01:41:33.042
[SPEAKER_03]: That's what I want, man.

01:41:33.082 --> 01:41:34.403
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't want to wrestling match.

01:41:34.423 --> 01:41:35.164
[SPEAKER_03]: I want to fight.

01:41:35.605 --> 01:41:37.327
[SPEAKER_03]: We're both guys might almost kill each other.

01:41:37.447 --> 01:41:44.476
[SPEAKER_03]: Brock's deep purple, but in a four minute two minutes in, and it's up in, and Oba doesn't know sell it.

01:41:44.497 --> 01:41:46.459
[SPEAKER_03]: Now, five, he doesn't even take a bump.

01:41:46.479 --> 01:41:51.165
[SPEAKER_03]: He just beats the brakes off of Brock.

01:41:51.185 --> 01:41:53.408
[SPEAKER_00]: I wonder though.

01:41:54.383 --> 01:42:00.590
[SPEAKER_00]: if they're going to try and troll the fan base into thinking Brock's going to win only for over two.

01:42:00.710 --> 01:42:09.199
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, he, Brock is going to need a spot where it looks like he's winning and he may even do like kind of laugh and go like, oh my, you know, who's this dude?

01:42:09.239 --> 01:42:13.263
[SPEAKER_00]: And then, and then, oh, but kicks out and Brock's like, oh my god, I just saw ghost.

01:42:13.283 --> 01:42:15.565
[SPEAKER_00]: I kind of wonder if that spot is coming.

01:42:15.585 --> 01:42:21.511
[SPEAKER_03]: I hope they're not overthinking this, because all over has to do to be the biggest star of the company is beat him quick.

01:42:22.192 --> 01:42:22.973
[SPEAKER_03]: That's it.

01:42:23.375 --> 01:42:24.156
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

01:42:24.176 --> 01:42:24.857
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, for sure.

01:42:24.877 --> 01:42:43.622
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, we had Roman and we had live when the rumble and it became maniac season, but it didn't become maniac season until Brock was out in the ring and he's making an open challenge and Oberfenny come out to answer it.

01:42:44.043 --> 01:42:51.913
[SPEAKER_01]: That's when it felt like WrestleMania was here

01:42:52.383 --> 01:43:03.715
[SPEAKER_01]: This should have been the main event tonight with Oba and Brock, you know, like you put that on the main event tonight and this crowd goes all packed like there's no there's no illusion to that.

01:43:04.035 --> 01:43:06.021
[SPEAKER_01]: They make the epic guys beat each other up.

01:43:06.041 --> 01:43:06.763
[SPEAKER_01]: What do you got, Jeff?

01:43:07.132 --> 01:43:11.499
[SPEAKER_03]: I said the best thing about this is that Brock is not going to single-licking for the most part.

01:43:11.519 --> 01:43:11.740
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

01:43:12.080 --> 01:43:18.511
[SPEAKER_03]: It's just been over and over and over and over and over and now if they decide to it, well, you know, Brock needs to get it.

01:43:18.571 --> 01:43:19.953
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't even think Brock believes that.

01:43:19.973 --> 01:43:21.676
[SPEAKER_03]: I was like, look, man, I want to be back on my farm.

01:43:21.716 --> 01:43:22.778
[SPEAKER_03]: Let's get out of here, man.

01:43:23.018 --> 01:43:24.521
[SPEAKER_01]: Here's how Ghost Mario just.

01:43:25.622 --> 01:43:27.766
[SPEAKER_01]: Brock gets over out of thought of F5.

01:43:28.006 --> 01:43:31.452
[SPEAKER_01]: He hit the F5 and over kicked out and then he wins the match.

01:43:31.972 --> 01:43:33.174
[SPEAKER_01]: That's how it goes tomorrow.

01:43:33.315 --> 01:43:39.106
[SPEAKER_03]: Okay, yeah, and I know, and it's disappointed by me like that Goldberg brought that one match where the culprit is killed.

01:43:39.207 --> 01:43:44.237
[SPEAKER_01]: It's all about kicking out of that F5 and the crowd just goes wild.

01:43:45.399 --> 01:43:46.341
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't think he needs it.

01:43:46.401 --> 01:43:47.383
[SPEAKER_03]: That's probably.

01:43:48.305 --> 01:43:49.587
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, all right, who wins?

01:43:49.648 --> 01:43:51.010
[SPEAKER_00]: CM Punk or Roman Reigns?

01:43:53.054 --> 01:43:53.355
[SPEAKER_01]: Roman.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Roman I got Roman we go into we go into ending number six and a half or whatever of those No, but I need a stretch I was going to say I was taking this whole time everybody from the bloodline loses and then it become like Sammy Sammy gets inspired back You know, Hayman comes in so it's a reunion of them and the NFTs join them and then it's a Samoan dynasty

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to go back to is a big Dave Meltzer a few years back just explaining, you know, Romans their Bruno and when it all comes back, you know, he's always going to be their Bruno.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And Bruno wins.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I've tried to think of ways for punk to win and I think the one way that punk could win this match,

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[SPEAKER_00]: is if they want O, but to immediately be in the mix for the title, I don't think they'd have in beat Roman, but I do think they'd have in beat punk, but that would be the only way that I think punk wins this match.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So.

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[SPEAKER_00]: All right, tomorrow, we do this again, though, it's going to be Kila and Scott, but we do have more hours of WrestleMania to watch.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The the card is stacked to be a little bit better tomorrow, so I'm kind of hopeful that it is going to be a better show.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Again, I didn't hate the show like that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It was actually a lot of fun, I think, too.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I thought it was thumbs in the middle.

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[SPEAKER_00]: For for WrestleMania, you have higher expectations than thumbs in the middle, but a lot of times WrestleMania has been kind of disappointing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I'm not super

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[SPEAKER_03]: I'll tell you a burning question that's fascinating.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I want to see how they handle Jade because I wonder if they have buyers or more on that one.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think they do she got a look head out for her man.

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[SPEAKER_00]: If she can't get if she cannot have a good match with the biggest star on the women's side, then that's going to be a Jade problem.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Do you think the match will last longer than

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[SPEAKER_01]: Do you think the match is longer than all of the matches in the women today?

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[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, more than eight and a half minutes.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think so.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yes, I want I think I think they're going to test her.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I think that's what's going to happen.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Correcting.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think it has to be because she's she's much better.

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[SPEAKER_00]: on the offense, then she is on the defense and Rhea is fine in either role.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And it's probably better for the baby face who is the smaller woman to do the comeback.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so I could see Rhea selling a whole lot and then getting the win at the end.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So there are only six matches tomorrow but we got Roman and punk probably taking up 45 minutes to an hour of the show.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I'm hopeful that they add Oscar and EO just because I think that even if they are not given 10 minutes, I still think they're going to have a they could have a banger, but Oh, yeah, who knows who knows what they're what they're doing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They may save it for a bit.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I think that might be on the Monday raw.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's what they might be not probably could make events a Monday raw and yeah, pretty well.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: All right, I want to thank everybody who was hanging out with us.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We had a pretty good crowd tonight.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Fernando is always, and Maria was back as well, hadn't seen Maria in a little bit.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Adam was hanging out.

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[SPEAKER_00]: John was hanging out.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Of course, Lady B paneled Dania was hanging out.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know if I've seen that name before, but appreciate you.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Richard, our friend Richard, from Richard Bacera.

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