WrestleMania 42 Live Review: Old Man CM Punk & Darby Allin Wins AEW Title | Takedown

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[SPEAKER_00]: All right, we are back with takedown and we are pre-recording this.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We'll run this on Tuesday evening, Wednesday morning on the audio feed.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We'll run this on the video feed a little bit earlier than that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But the reason why we're recording early is because I am headed to Dallas, Texas, on a business trip.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I

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[SPEAKER_00]: I just this was the only way that we could do it and the way that we could do it was for Paul to be very just soon thereafter being in Vegas.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm sure gambling his behind off hanging out with his son hanging out with the F4W crew.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So thanks Paul for making the time.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I know you're probably pretty exhausted here, but how was the how was the trip?

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[SPEAKER_00]: How was Vegas?

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[SPEAKER_00]: It was good.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm actually doing fine.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like I woke up at like, you know, I had a flight at 10 30 Vegas time, which is 12 30 my time.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So my, like my internal clock is actually pretty good.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Because I woke up at seven, which is nine, you know, so which is, you know, later than I would normally wake up.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, I'm fine.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, had a great time hung out with a lot of people.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, there's a few people that I know were there that I never actually got to see.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I know, um,

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[SPEAKER_01]: Our friend Jason was there and I missed him like everywhere so oh, really.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah shout out to Jason unfortunately I didn't never got to see him We just were never in the same place same time But yeah, so Brian Dave Vinny You know talk talk to them on that with him for quite a bit a few other long time friends.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So a lot of John and Memphis I know he listens to this shout out to John wait what what flavor did you get scary?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, there you go

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, he, so I saw him at the Q&A and yeah, he had it, right, might give me a big hug and then went to shake hands and he had a bottle in his hand.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So there you go.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's a little tiny bottle.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, I drank, I he's like, you got to take it one shot.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm like, no, I don't, yeah, because that stuff is harsh.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, hung out with my son.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It was his birthday.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Took him to the WrestleMania.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It was his first live show since WrestleMania 32.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So 10 years, 10 years, because I brought him for his 18th birthday, and this was his 28th birthday.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So we got to do some Vegas things that he's never had a chance to do, because the last of me was in Vegas, I think he was 19.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So legal here, not legal there.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And yeah, so yeah, we

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and a lot of gambling.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I had the weekend of my life at the Blackjack tables, so came home with a lot of money.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Actually there you go.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's a kind of to fill out a Customs declaration No, I first time ever Yeah, they just have to like keep track because if you're doing that like every month I think you're smuggling money or something

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[SPEAKER_00]: Right, right, right, right, right, right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But okay.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So outside of WrestleMania, did you go to any other wrestling shows?

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[SPEAKER_01]: I did.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I went to Joey Janell Springbreak, Blood Sport, and the was the other one.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's three, I thought.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Was it only two?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe, I'm assuming.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh yeah, I did only go to two.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I was going to go to, I had a pass like for the whole weekend of the GCW shows, you know, shout out to Sir Highlight.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But the, I only, I was going to go to the clusterfuck.

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[SPEAKER_01]: because Brian, I had told me he was going to be in it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It was, I was going to keep it a secret, but by the time the thing started everybody knew, so I don't know how many people he told, but it definitely got around.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And yeah, so he did a spot with Sean Ross App, and then he got him hinted by Joy Janella.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So that thing, that's funny story in itself.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I ended up not going because, you know, it'd been a long day and they ended up so we decided to watch that show or that match in the sweet.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So they had a death match, a death match, cage match before it, and John from Memphis with watching on his phone, we didn't put it up on the screen.

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[SPEAKER_01]: One because Mito was there and Dave didn't have to subjector that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And number two, he had to watch collision.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So the sweet party was Dave watching collision for two hours.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They even watched the commercials didn't skip them.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And there was on HBO Max, so you know, like there's no picture and picture.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then so then it but it turned out that, you know, so the the cage matches over right as collision was over.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So we put we put up the feed for the cluster fun.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And they did.

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[SPEAKER_01]: between the cage match and the cluster five, about 45 minutes of video packages.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Not even saying.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So don't ever complain about WWE.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And so the match, so Vinny had left the sweet party and said, I'll probably be back around midnight because I'm going to watch Brian.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, the cluster five didn't start until 1153.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Brian got in around 1245.

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[SPEAKER_01]: No, you know what, no, no, no, no.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The cluster factor didn't start to 12.45.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like it was supposed, it could have started at 12, but the 45 minutes of video packages.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The match ended at almost three AM.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It was over two hours long.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Tony later, who hates wrestling.

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[SPEAKER_01]: could not take his eyes off this thing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And because it was so bad, like it was, we're watching this, and it's basically like, you know, like the Aztec Warfare match where it came all over the place, except like pinfalls have to happen in the ring, but you're eliminated by pinfalls submission over the top.

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[SPEAKER_01]: leaving the building or death.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Those are the five things is what they tell you.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So people would disappear and then all of a sudden they'd be in the ring and you're like, wait, that person's still in it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And this was Shotty Blackheart.

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[SPEAKER_01]: She literally at one point was gone for at least an hour.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know where she was, but I guess she didn't leave the building her die and she was still in the match.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And she ended up winning.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And yeah, like I mean, while Brian and Sean Ross Aberen there, there was no shots, even though she was still technically in the match.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So it was weird.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And by the time the match was over, well over half the crowded left.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, it was over at least three a.m.

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[SPEAKER_01]: you know I'm like on a Saturday night in Vegas like you know so it was weird but I did watch that in the sweet I'm so glad I wasn't there alive and then you know when them and people were dropping out of the match even at the sweet party like I got to go I got to go like Dave was long gone before Brian ever gotten the ring.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, I think by the time there's like maybe four of us left me Tony and like two other people by the time the match is over John for Memphis had long gone and he was the one that made us put it up on the screen like he, you know, two hours for and I got to tell you like there was, it must have been like 85 people in this match and two thirds of them you, you would have never heard of.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, it was so bad.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So it went exactly as the title of the match described.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But, you know, I mean, I guess, I don't know if the people there liked it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Uh, I, I'm sure go ahead.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I didn't go.

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[SPEAKER_00]: All right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We'll talk about some of the stuff that happened at Mania.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Get your thoughts on it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We'll talk about Darby Allen winning the world title for MJF, which feels like it was like months ago now, but it was just.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I still haven't even seen it, but it was impossible to avoid the news.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I didn't see the video package at the art on collision.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Also, I just want to mention that we are recording this.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm assuming you haven't seen raw yet.

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[SPEAKER_00]: No, I haven't seen last week's raw.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So, raw after realsomenia happened.

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[SPEAKER_00]: If you want to hear the full recap, make sure you check out the wrap with Kila and Scott.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They have all the breakdown.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There, I don't want to spoil it for you, but of course, as expected, there are some debuts and there are some new main event matches for backlash and let's kick it off with

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[SPEAKER_00]: Let's trick the internet like I really don't know what the idea was for this match as far as the story that they were trying to tell but it definitely felt watching it on TV

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[SPEAKER_00]: that they wanted to make sure that what people thought was going to happen, you were going to question yourself as you were watching this.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Because there were moments in this match where we were watching going, oh no, Cody's going to be the stupid baby face again, just like last year he's going to show Randy mercy and then he's going to lose.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then there were other moments where we were like, oh,

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[SPEAKER_00]: Cody's turning heel.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's the story.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's the thing here.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And in the end, none of that happened.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know what Pat McAfee's actual reason for being in this match was other than maybe to cosplay Vince McMahon in some way or Vince and Shane or because he kept bringing up the attitude out in the build.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then at the end, Randy kicks Cody right in the face, legit to end the show.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The Cody was on raw.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think Randy was on raw.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I'm not exactly sure where they're going.

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[SPEAKER_00]: When you were watching it live, what were you thinking?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, I mean, I have the same kind of feelings as you like I was I had a pretty strong feeling that Cody was turning heel based on the way the match was going and the way he was kind of doing heelish things and getting a heel reaction from the crowd.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Randy was definitely the baby face to the crowd.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Cody was definitely the heel.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like they cheered the entrances for both guys, but then as soon as the match started, it was they didn't like Cody and they loved Randy.

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[SPEAKER_01]: There are lots of RKO chance all throughout.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Now, I think part of that was I was beside a section that like the whole section loved Randy.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So that's what I was hearing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And you know, when you have a stadium, it doesn't always translate.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So, you know, I fully can see that perhaps like for every, you know, for people watching, they definitely wouldn't have caught that, but definitely how it felt to me.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But just watching the match, I felt that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then when Pat comes out at the end, you know, like I thought the beginning was like, okay, you know, like,

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[SPEAKER_01]: Jelly roll is going to get rid of Pat and then it's just going to be one on one and that's fine and you know so basically they're getting out and I even thought okay maybe they changed their minds on this backlash made event that was rumour you know the mixed tag We've had on one side and jelly on the other there's like maybe this is going to take it out and then Pat comes running down the aisle and a ref shirt at a net brace.

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[SPEAKER_01]: and it was like what like and then he's counting and it's like is he an actual ref like who who ordained him to be a ref who you know is this official is he just fucking with Cody like what's going on sorry messing with Cody I'm I'm gonna watch my language I've been hanging out in Vegas holy

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[SPEAKER_01]: And that, you know, talking about the GCW map, but yeah, so like I was confused and I still don't really know, because I didn't hear the commentary, but again, even talking to people sounds like the commentary didn't even really know how to play it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So they were trying to trick the internet in the commentary because they took Dave's report that Randy had an injured back and they used it as a storytelling device in the match.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know what's stupid about that?

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[SPEAKER_01]: I had no idea about that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like about the about Randy's supposed an injury and I don't think most people in the building did.

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[SPEAKER_00]: that that's what I assumed because it it felt like this was the storyline for the people watching on television and the people tweeting and not a storyline for the people who are actually in the building.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, and not only that, but the people that read Dave and and follow that, which even the people watching on TV, it's it's a smaller percentage of people than they think it

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[SPEAKER_00]: Did somebody tell Dave this to get him to post it and then they're gonna mess with him?

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[SPEAKER_00]: And it's not really, I don't think that's what happened.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But I think they were trying to make people maybe believe that they leaked this to him and it was just weird.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It went so- It's time they've done something like that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But if listening to Dave, he didn't think that that was the case.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He just thought that they were trying to use that information at first to discredit it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But then they used it in the match so I it was first like I think weight barrett like saying that it was false and then all of a sudden Michael Cole was like, no, I've been here in this in the locker room.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So whoever knows what it was about it was not useful.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It was not interesting it was to a very small percentage of the fans like you said.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But the match itself as a story, I'm still confused after watching it and talking about it doing our own recap on fight game media and today, you know, even though I didn't watch all of raw, I did read the spoilers and he Cody is on the show.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There it was almost like they turned the page on it, which I don't think is I think they're still doing something backlash, but the the angle on raw was not related to Cody in Randy.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So let's see what happens, but yeah, like I like like I like to match up until the ref bump and then, you know, like the ref bump and everything happened after it like really

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I'm not going to say it ruined the match, um, you know, because again, I still gave it a really good rating because I like the match.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The work was good.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I thought, uh, but again, like it, I can totally see if somebody turned away into, oh, that was a terrible match.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, that's fine.

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[SPEAKER_01]: If you wanted to say that, I'm not going to argue with you too hard, because that finish was baffling.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It was an attitude era finished, though, because of the silliness of can a refer, you know, the only thing that was missing was Vince McMahon changing the rules as the match went on, because that's what it felt like.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But, you know, and again, you know, we had Pat McAfee as a part of ESPN doing all the promotion on ESPN for this match.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then he said, if he, if Randy lost, then he was going to stop doing wrestling all together.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so I don't know if that is going to happen or not, but if your ESPN and you're showing every single WPLE,

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[SPEAKER_00]: you would probably want him involved, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I would think so.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I mean, involved can mean, it doesn't necessarily mean to have to be in the ring or even in this part of a storyline.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It can be part of the promotion, you know, maybe doing the analysis thing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, he's really good at that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, like, he's a much better hype guy than he is a heel character.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Even though he plays a heel character well, but I think in the role that he's in in the larger media landscape,

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[SPEAKER_01]: on on on on a on that level and then I think people I don't know if they're confused but I think they kind of it causes them to look at it like they can't take it seriously because they know Pat likes WWE and they know he wouldn't be involved with them if he if he wasn't a fan so when he comes out and says that this thing is garbage they didn't nobody believes that they just think he's playing a character and then it

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I haven't seen the video.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I don't even really want to talk about it too much until I read more about it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But there was a tweet that went out today where Mark Shapiro supposedly told a class of students that TKO has full control over WWE creative.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Wow.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's it's it's I mean, it's going around the internet and so I just wanted to make that known, but I I don't want to even analyze that quote until I see a more context well if they if they were involved with night two then they did a good job.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, and that and that's where the celebrities come.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's where the macophie and, you know, Logan Paul.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm assuming they were also talking about.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I show speed.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm assuming so that was really the only I guess, you know, Gunther and Sethor Allen's was good.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I really like Jacob Fattu and Drew McIntyre.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It sounds like I liked it more than most people.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I probably was up there with you.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But night one definitely felt like a little bit of a, a wall, I think I was like, it's thumbs in the middle.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like Gunther and Seth was good enough to make it thumbs in the middle.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I wouldn't say it was thumbs down.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But then night two is where they kind of kick the show into gear.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I was really happy with night two.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Obviously the Brock and Oba thing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: When you were watching live, did it feel like Brock was hanging

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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, it felt like he was hanging in the mop legitimately, but then I also figured in the back of my mind, Gunther was going to show up and not let him.

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[SPEAKER_01]: right, you know, and, and that would be the favor that Paul Hamin owes him for going after Seth.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, so yeah, like I, but I thought Brock played it really well, like, you know, kind of like a fighter who, you know, you see this and you have seen all the time, they lose a big match and they take off their gloves, they put it in the ring.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then I said like 50% of the time, those guys are back.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you know, like he's a, you know, the next day they kind of think about it and I don't know if I want to hang it up just yet, you know, but you frustrated in that moment that you couldn't beat this person and not only could you not beat them, I mean in Brock's mind, like he got destroyed, like, you know, I mean it, you know, like it was they had a little bit of back and forth, but I mean this was as dominant as anybody could have hoped.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, and uh, but I will say like that match, the building was electric.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And everybody was trying to get to their seats.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They did not want to miss that match.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And uh, so the the first night, it was kind of slow filling in and people like, you know, people watching on ESPN and that, like they were saying like, oh, it is a lot of empty seats and all that and it's like, nah, you know what, it takes a long time to get to your seat in that stadium.

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[SPEAKER_01]: In night two people were there by the Oboff Brock thing like they wanted to get there.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I got there to the stadium about 230 and there was so many people trying to get in.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, by the time we got to our seat, like they, they were already doing that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So that's how long it took.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like I was 230, getting to the front door of the building and it took me till after three to get into my seat, so, um, but yeah, and we had a club seat.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So it was really cool for the second.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's very different viewing experiences on the two nights as well.

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[SPEAKER_01]: My son, you know, who doesn't really care that much about the in-ring, other than like spectacular things.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He liked night to a lot more than night one, so it wasn't just the wrestling, it was the storytelling, it was the spectacle, it was a lot of it was our viewing experience, being in a club seat with theater seats and all that, just felt a lot better, not being at the air conditioning right above us in the first night and it was cold.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, you know, yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So, you know, a lot of things and the view of the ring wasn't that great from where we were on the floor.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, but yeah, it was, um, yeah, I thought they had it set in their mind that they were going to make a star that night and I think they did.

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[SPEAKER_00]: John the Rock and I were texting back and forth and we'll probably talk more about this on fight game podcast though.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We're probably going to do it Sunday hopefully because I will, I still won't be back from for my work trip on Thursday night.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But we were saying how if Gunther uses that favor for Paul Hayman,

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[SPEAKER_00]: As I want Brock, you know, it's the match that never happened and let's do it in his hometown in Minnesota and then Brock goes, well, I don't have to do this like Paul Hayman is like he's he's the wise man, but he's not like

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, my manager or anything, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like he doesn't, he can't force me to do this.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then Brock tells Gunther, well, this is my last match.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But if I win, you got to put your career on the lines.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We were talking about that, like making the stakes interesting.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Because,

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think still even if they did that 90% of the maybe 80% of the fans would still think that Gunther's winning, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: They would still, but you do put that doubt in some of the fans minds that, you know, there are, there are stakes.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So that's what I would like to see.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But he needs to have some some sort of incentive for sure.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[UNKNOWN]: So

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[SPEAKER_00]: Then we got that ladder match that was pretty pretty good like it, you know, it seemed safer than than most ladder matches that we see though there was still some crazy stuff like I was really feeling for Rusev's back when he broke down ladder and half.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, but solid Penta winning, uh, and then that was my son's favorite match, though, really.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then you had trick, which that match wasn't good, or what I wouldn't say wasn't good.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It wasn't great, but yeah, it was just a spectacle, the spectacle of trick.

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[SPEAKER_01]: looked like a lot of fun and then you could see his parents at their celebrating because yeah I didn't you know we didn't really get that in the building like they didn't show a lot of the stuff on the screen like even I heard Roman family was there I didn't see that on the screen so we didn't know

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[SPEAKER_01]: And Jade Cargill, was that her best match, do you think?

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[SPEAKER_01]: In WWE, yeah, I think she may have had one or two that were better in a WWE, that last one she had with Chris Statlin, it was really good.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think it might have been a little bit better than this one.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I think there's one other one.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Actually, the match she had, her debut match, was like one of the best matches she ever had.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think the tag with Cody and Chuck and Red Velvet,

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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, but yeah, I thought it was her best WWE match, and Rhea came off such a star.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Again, my son didn't know either one of them, and he came out of that huge reapply fight.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Mm-hmm.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like he's serious to see her again.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like he just jumps off the screen and you know, and just like even in person.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, she's just insanely charismatic.

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[SPEAKER_01]: She's cool.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Is it what he said?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like just one of the coolest people that he saw on the show.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So the main event Roman Reigns and CM Punk, I know that you really liked that because you wrote in our discord about how much you liked it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I thought it was a really, really strong TV match.

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[SPEAKER_00]: What did you think of the story though?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Because on television, what it seemed like was, at the end of the day, Roman was right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, punk is too old.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, he's, I mean, I don't know if two old is necessarily the word because I mean, he was competitive and he almost won and he, but he's, he's older.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, and that's the thing and he's probably older than he wants to think he is.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And because of that, Romans, I think the story of the match was, Roman is his combination of youth,

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[SPEAKER_01]: He's closer to his peak than CM Punk is.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And that's the thing, CM Punk is on the other end of his career.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And at the end of the day, that wasn't enough for CM Punk to overcome.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I love the story of the match.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I think the promos that led up to it played into how the match's weighed out.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I think that people that have been watching where I every week and have been following this story,

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[SPEAKER_01]: probably like the match a lot more than someone who just checks in for all the PLEs.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And they would look at it say, oh, yeah, I was a well-worked match and everything, but you know, like the story would be missing on those people, I think.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I thought I was as a wrestling fan.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not talking about Phil Brooks, the person, but as a fan of CM Punk, the character, I was so happy for him that he got to main event, what could end up being the

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[SPEAKER_01]: you know, biggest grossing, wrestling show of all time, and come out last and come out to that music that I still don't know.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And you know, I literally didn't like I had no idea what's the same music for me.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I never listened to it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I fast forwarded it on the MDF match and I never heard it in our way.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, and I thought it was cool.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I guess he's buddies with that band and he got them

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[SPEAKER_01]: was, you know, and that feels buddy too.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So, you know, he had maybe other than Punk and Roman, like maybe the best night of anybody on WrestleMania, that dude is a star.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That was another one.

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[SPEAKER_01]: My son was just like he'd never heard of Dan Housen.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Now he's like been watching the videos online and stuff like it's just, it was a good, it was a good half-time show, I guess you could say.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, because that's kind of what it was.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think the thing that made that thing so much better,

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[SPEAKER_00]: was seen as willingness to play along.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, like to play along like it was Saturday night life, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like it was Saturday night life skit.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He wasn't afraid to break the fourth wall and just laugh when when when it was proper to laugh.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And you know, you had the Miz and Kit Wilson playing the over-the-top bad guys and so like, you know, I thought the skit was okay, but what made it better for me was John Cena reacting to it because if John Cena is going to react to it, then you're like, okay, I could take the silliness and I can react to it too.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The reason that Dan Housen works in WWE is not it's not Dan Housen.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Dan Housen is doing the same thing he's always done.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The reason it works is the other people that he's interacting with and the way they react to him and that's what we're missing in a W and that's where we're missing in bring of honor when he was there.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He's working with talented performers that know how to react and know how to get the desired reaction from the crowd.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So, Matt hats off to Miss hats off to Kilt Wilson hats off to John Cena.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And the producers say that he doesn't really have right back then they didn't have the production style for him.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You would just kind of like a one-man show.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Chobani's like, well, what's this?

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[SPEAKER_01]: This is silly.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And, you know, in Excalibur's Crack and Jokes and Tases, you know, Dan Housing Jones and, you know, like, it's like, it's getting over.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And, meanwhile, here, like, nobody's playing it seriously.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They're treating it the way it's supposed to be treated.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Meanwhile, this dude is becoming a star in their eyes.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And, you know what, like,

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[SPEAKER_01]: He is get probably took the place of an EO Oscar match.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And that's that's unfortunate.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And if you're a wrestling fan that loves the in ring, I'm sure you're pissed off.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But I'm sure that the people in the building as much as they may have liked EO and Oscar.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They're never going to forget that downhausen segment.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I thought EO.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Got, oh, I thought you did a great job at her running awesome job.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, he just she's just so good at everything and they and them hugging after and like Reag gets a title and she's got her best friend and there's zero hint of a split like that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I love that because it's like it's too often in WWE and even in a w You know like when there's good friends, it's like, okay, when are they gonna split up here?

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's like I want these two together forever

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, and at some point they probably will split up, but they're not even hinting at it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I love that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, so it sounds like you had a great time.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's night two was better night one, but it didn't sound like you hated night one.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's not like, I'm kind of like you, maybe a little higher.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like if I had to rate it, I'd maybe like a six and a half.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Seven, but I give, I give it like, like I give like night two like a nine and a quarter.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And if I have to go with half, I'd probably lean towards a nine because nine and a half is like, you know, one of the best shows of all time kind of thing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It wasn't that, but it was, I don't know that they could have put on a better show.

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[SPEAKER_01]: like with what they had with the matches they had and the scenario and the stage and everything like the booking was almost perfect.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The matches were nothing under delivered and a few matches over delivered.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So, you know, overall and they made some new stars and people got over and yeah, I just thought it was well-paced.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It was over at a decent time.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like I had like no complaints about night two and you almost always have complaints after

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, you know, there were a lot of people.

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[SPEAKER_00]: dunking on night one.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And they were so hopeful that night two was also not going to be good.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But then they're like, uh, it was good.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So while you did, I mean, just in our discord, the, the, the negative comments on night one is compared to night two was probably like 10 times.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And that was even from hardcore WWE fans.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I think the, the, the, the TV experience is, it's a bad one, you know,

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[SPEAKER_00]: You have the, you watch this in a very smart way, usually, so that you could skip through all the commercials.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But if you're trying to watch this thing live, the, actually, I have a, I know you may dinners, but like, doing it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yeah, during the, during the Cody in, in Randy entrance, I, I literally made dinner and from from for the whole thing and was ready to eat right in the match started.

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[SPEAKER_00]: the idea of a streaming service originally was you pay your money and it's at free, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: That was the original idea.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so I have a buddy who used to work at Hulu and he was saying, we are going to test putting a commercial at the top of a show.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's going to be a short commercial, but if we don't get a lot of people canceling,

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[SPEAKER_00]: then it tells us that they may just be willing to deal with the one commercial.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so this is like 10 years ago.

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[SPEAKER_00]: This is like maybe even longer than 10 years ago.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So this is before all of these services, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: This is when it was like Hulu and Netflix and very few others.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so as we kind of,

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[SPEAKER_00]: went on with services we started to get, oh, you know, here's your ad free one and then here's your ad one you pay less you get more ads for ESPN you have some people paying $30 to sit through ads, which is really testing the patience of it and my guess is that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's probably going to be slow growing if they continue to do that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, for those of us who get it for free with our subscription, you just deal with it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But I still think it's a really bad and negative situation because if you remember,

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[SPEAKER_00]: when the network came out when the WWE network came out and we got those WrestleMania's and those paper views.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It was like a paper view.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It was that that's how it was.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It, you know, it wasn't you would get your WWE commercials and you would get your, you know, your backstage skits and go by the merch.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But it wasn't until those peacock shows when they started to do the five match shows,

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[SPEAKER_00]: when you were getting all of these commercials, because peacock had a commercial free subscription.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so they had to put those commercials in, well, they didn't have to, but that's how they were going to make money off of those subscribers.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And those of us who had the ad free ones were just dealing with video package after video package after video package.

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[SPEAKER_00]: it is it is monetizing the hell at a very loyal customers.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I think the product has to be really, really good for you to to keep the subscribers the way that they want.

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[SPEAKER_00]: If it's not great, I could see that ESPN unlimited app if they're using WWE for growth.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I could see them struggling with it because, you know, I don't know if you saw a lot of the,

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[SPEAKER_00]: you know the the more mainstream places they were writing they were writing about all the commercials and how long you know some of these shows were and wondering why now thankfully that you know they don't watch the ad b shows because they would probably write similar stories because of how long those shows are but you're paying for pay per view so you know you're kind of paying for for that and here

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[SPEAKER_00]: This is supposed to be an old-school WWE papery, but that's not really what it is anymore.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It is like a TV version of their big show.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's like a commercialized television show.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I feel like when you go back, if you went back in time and you know, you almost have to like be there and not watch it on demand, because they probably eliminated some of the stuff.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I feel like the paper views were just as long before, with just as much downtime, but the difference is that it was backstage segments, like video packages, if there was commercials, it was like more like product placement commercials using the WWE talent, where a match is the two.

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[SPEAKER_01]: There were more matches.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, one or two more matches.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, sure.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But the thing with this now is you're getting these

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[SPEAKER_01]: actual commercials and they're also like repetitive from what I understand like so you're seeing the same ones over and over again and so it's hammering at home that you're watching commercials and so it makes you think about the downtime more as opposed to before when it just felt more like an actual show.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And at the end of the day, you mentioned it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like this is the price you pay for not having to pay $50 or $60.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Mania right now would probably like 80 if it was on paper view.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, that's the price you pay for not having to pay for a paper view.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And we're getting that in USC now too, where like they're even doing commercials.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, during the fighter entrances, like the cause after the fighter entrances, they do like a 30 second commercial and then they do the the ring announcements like and this is on the commercial free tier, which so I'm not like I wouldn't even pay for the commercial free tier because what's the point.

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[SPEAKER_01]: like you're still going to get the commercials.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I'm as well just pay for the basic tier, which is what they want anyways.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, you know, and then that means if I watch anything else, I'm paramount plus I'm going to be watching commercials as well.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But I don't.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So and the reason why the reason why they do it this way is because they're they're not able to monetize streaming as well as they they can, you know, otherwise, like they do with the you price increases and

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: All right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I want to, you know, I want to get this thing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I want to get you to kind of relax and enjoy your the rest of your night.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So we'll do this really quick, but I am interested in your thoughts on Darby Allen, John and I talked about it on the fight game podcast.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Our thoughts and you know, I'm not anti Darby Allen being the champion.

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[SPEAKER_00]: My main complaint, if there was a complaint was hangman page, had to lose the opportunity to face the champion ever again.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And Kenny Omega had to go through hell and possibly getting his intestines exploded to lose to MJF and Darby beats him in like three minutes.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I want to give them the benefit of the doubt because the creative has been pretty good, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, this is not the AEW of two years ago where everything just felt like forced and cutesy and reactive.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, I want to give them the benefit of the doubt and imagine Tony Khan has some ideas of where to go.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I know Darby's not going to be in the main event at all, at least I'm pretty sure.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So,

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[SPEAKER_00]: For this small time period, if MJF has something else going on, if he needs to take a break, whatever, so be it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think so.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think he's going to be involved, but I'm not 100% sure.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But we have a double or nothing coming up next month.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We have the forbidden door show in San Jose in June.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then there's going to be a new paper view in July.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, I did not.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then they're going to have all in in London.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So there's going to be tons of television shows or paper view shows coming up.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So what do you think about Darby winning?

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[SPEAKER_00]: people he's going to face during this run.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So, I mean, so the funny thing is, I still haven't finished watch dynasty like I watched the opening match.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I go watch the pre-show and the opening match.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's all I watched before I left for the Vegas.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I self to watch that show.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So the last day W full show I watched was the collision.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Go home show.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, that's not that long ago.

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[SPEAKER_01]: A week you didn't watch it with Dave?

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[SPEAKER_01]: No, why I watch no I watch this week's collision but I was kind of not really paying attention to it because I want to watch it back again on my own and actually pay attention to it, but my point being

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, it's only been a week and a bit and I feel like when I watch dynamite, I'm going to be lost, like there's so much to happen and and now I'm going to think like all this stuff that people complain about and they say it's theoretical because nobody really like, you know, there's no casual fans, there's no this is not that the AW doesn't need video packages, but it's like someone who took a week off.

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[SPEAKER_01]: is completely lost.

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[SPEAKER_01]: There's a new world champion.

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[SPEAKER_01]: There's like, you know, like, Darby Allen, like, what?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, you know, that was my reaction.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, I was a hearing that, oh, they may have a title change on Wednesday.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm like, what?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, what?

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[SPEAKER_01]: I have watched the preview, but I was like, I was astounded.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, why, you know, like, MJS been doing a great job.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, like, you know, assuming he retained the title, but even

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[SPEAKER_01]: is Kenny defending against somebody and he's going to lose it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like everyone was talking about like it was a foregone conclusion.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like Darby and I heard that name.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I assumed he'd be the way when the rumors started getting out during the paper view.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They got out before MJF and Omega were even in the ring.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I don't this is what was happening.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so I don't like I don't understand it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But I do think like so I'm listening.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm also catching up on an audio and I listen to a show that Brian Alvers did.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It was wrestling was over live.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And he was talking about something about, you know, talking about Tony cons plans and how everyone is trying to get from point A to point B to point C and thinking, is it going to be MJF versus Osperia is going to be Omega versus Osperia, this seems to be the only things people are considering and he says what you need to realize is that somebody else could win the title in between.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I feel like that's probably when he found out.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And this is like two days before dynasty.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So it's pretty like when I asked him, yeah, after dynasty, if he thought Darby was going to win,

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[SPEAKER_00]: He didn't say 100% no doubt about it, but he was pretty convinced that Derby was going to win that man.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think he found out that Derby was winning maybe from Derby himself.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He's got connections of course.

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[SPEAKER_01]: A couple days before dynasty.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So that's where he was trying to prepare his listeners for the fact that, you know, be prepared.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Something you're not expecting might happen.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So that all said, Derby's a champ.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Again, you said three minutes.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, that's new to me.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I did.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I mean, it may have been four minutes, but it was quick.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It was like, so the way that they did it was, you know, very, I assume playing of the way that MJF just had a tough match three days earlier, well, the story line to get to the match was really stupid, but it, I think they benefited from it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Because they had an angle to start to show, which then made people aware of like, oh, they're going to have a match in the main event, but that was kind of dumb, but it was smart to do it that way.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I was told that I'm going to hate the opening segment and I'm probably going to hate the main event.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's what a friend that knows me really well told me.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I didn't hate the main event.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I did hate.

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[SPEAKER_00]: how many coffee drops we got and the way that they did those.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But the way that, you know, it's kind of like the MJF loses mentality, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: How he lost to to Brody King.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It was really fast match.

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[SPEAKER_00]: How he lost to Wardlow.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He kind of got dominated in that match.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So that it's

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, these long matches that people expect in the championship.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Sometimes you don't get those long matches.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Sometimes you get quicker finishes.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I think it's smart in that way.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I think that was the right way to do a Darby versus MGF.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know if I want to see Darby sell for 20 minutes and then sneak out a pin like he did against Andrade.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, it's a good story.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know if it's a good story for the world title.

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[SPEAKER_00]: unless the fans are begging for it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And in this case, as you've seen from Darby's last several months, the fans are not begging for him to win the titles.

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[SPEAKER_00]: No, like it also came out of nowhere.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I mean, obviously it was in his hometown.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I assumed the reaction there was probably better than it was going to be anywhere else.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And the fact you get a title change in four minutes, like that's going to get a reaction anywhere.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So, you know, that I'm sure worked.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, so I think like I, you know, get not knowing all the pieces of what led to this because I haven't seen it all, but my gut was and I, I was talking to Dave in Vegas and I brought up this scenario that I think is probably going to happen and he actually thinks.

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[SPEAKER_01]: what I came up with is is a really good idea and may actually happen.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And it's eventually like mgf will challenge for the title at double or nothing because that's in his hometown in New York.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And that's where we see the return of hangman page and hangman screws mgf and costs in the title, then that builds to hangman and mgf at all in non-title.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So that Kenny's got to

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[SPEAKER_01]: Because you could do swerve and offspring in London, and that would be a big match, and that would also play off the fact that at the previous year they beat the books to eliminate, you know, so they were tag team and one of the best tag team matches a lot of people think of all time at all in and now this year they'd be facing each other.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And but then that we would also lead to another short sort of title reigns.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know if necessarily you would want to do that, but they didn't know mega.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They didn't know mega in Osprey backstage segment, which was supposed to be right after the paper view ended.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So Omega goes into the to the backstage taking with Osprey and he's just kind of down on his luck.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so you have both baby faces who both lost at actually had just spoiled it for you.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's okay.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It doesn't matter.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It doesn't matter.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'll forget about the time I watch it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, and Omega's just down and just like, I just, I don't know if I got it anymore.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, I mean, just be to it's kind of, you know, kind of like to see a punk thing in a way.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so there's your own cup finals right there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, and Osprey's like, no, you're still you're still the guy who beat Ocada the Tokyo dome or, you know, he's he's he's along those lines of what he was saying you're still the guy who beat Ocada and he was kind of like pumping Kenny up and Kenny was kind of the one who was down.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So it does feel like

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[SPEAKER_00]: whether it's at all in or not, like that is what they are building to, which is Kenny and Osprey.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But your MJF and Hangman scenario is very interesting because

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[SPEAKER_00]: is is is is there going to be a hangman stipulation about him reversing the thing that he lost, you know, at revolution like how do they play that like because that's all that people care about right like they could be that they'd put it but it could be that hangman's mission is yeah, I can never challenge for the title again but I'm going to make sure that you never get it again either

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[SPEAKER_01]: And that's my mission in life and then eventually at some point mjf maybe he wins a title again, and he Force his hangman to break his own stipulation because I'm sick and tired of dealing with you like I need to defend this title against you I don't care that you don't ever want to challenge again for it, you know, and so the they flip it so it's not a dubious step.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's not hangman breaking the step It's mjf breaking hangman step for him

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[SPEAKER_01]: and then and then you can even have hangman come back and say, no, I'm not breaking the step.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I promise I'm never going to do it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then they've come to an agreement where MJF says, you know, okay, like, or a handman says, okay, fine, I'll do this, but if I don't win, I will never wrestle again.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So that not only am I never challenged with him, I'm never wrestling again.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And that point you're basically telling the fans, okay, Hangman is winning the title, the same, because he's not retiring.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then, maybe he retires.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, the Hangman is one guy I would never, I wouldn't be surprised for him to like hang it up at like 35 or something.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Look, there's a lot of money.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There's the intrigue there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There's going to be a section of the A W fan base who's going to be disappointed if he breaks it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think most of the A W fan base will be in on it and excuse it because they want to see Hangman.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And you know, the W fan's will will point it out.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But it's like, come on, you guys have seen retirement after retirement, get

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[SPEAKER_00]: broken up.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So, I mean, that is intriguing to me and it would be a very interesting way to go with it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So, I mean, I'm into it, but I was, you know, I'm into, this may be a little unpopular.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm actually into where AEW is going with a lot of stuff more than I'm actually into the wrestling, but that is my fandom in general, like I love to see where things go and the reasons behind behind why they go.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I like wrestling, of course, I like the entering, but my interest is more from

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, like, how do they get here?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Why did they do it this way?

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[SPEAKER_00]: What is the business decision behind that?

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[SPEAKER_00]: So in those cases, like, I am intrigued in all of those things.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I'm looking forward to where they go, and I'll get forbidden door in my hometown, and I may have to break my rule of not going to a press conference, so that I can get a credential with Dave.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to, we'll see if Dave can make that work.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, yeah, like, you know, there are, there are things that are so intriguing with, but there's also stuff that I disagree with, like, you know, Osprey seemingly getting his ass kicked and breaking his neck every match, like that stuff to me is like, okay, I'm over it, but

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[SPEAKER_00]: the where they go with stuff is because I think they have folks who are over and you know who are interesting characters and I think I've seen enough 15 minute mocksy matches where he wrestles with midcard or lower guys.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Don't done with those.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, but we got another.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I know.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I know.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Dave will say oh, you know, it's been happening for years Rick Flair would take the hometown guy and I'm like, yes, he did it for that audience who'd never seen it before we see it every week.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm I don't need to see it every week.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: All right, let's you get out of here, get dressed up and I know you and Jeff are going to be back.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, we're going to do a show.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know how much I'll have caught up, but I will watch down in my life.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So it almost might be more interesting if I'm not caught up.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Jeff felt bad for not recording Wednesday, so he wanted to jump on with Jeremy and me on the WWE Saturday night post game show.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So he was with us and hang it out.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We had a good.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I haven't listened to that yet, but I'm looking forward to it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: All righty.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's going to be it from here.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So for Paul Fontaine, I'm WG, see you when we see you piece out.