Ospreay vs. Omega Was One for the Ages, AEW's New Level, Penta Vs. Fenix | Takedown

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[SPEAKER_00]: All right, it has been.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Take down Paul Fontaine and I are here on a Tuesday evening.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Now Paul, Jeremy, find Stone and I recapped the AEW all-in show.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So if people listen to that, they generally know what I thought about not only the show, but also Kenny Omega and Will Osprey.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I wanted to ask you this first question, based on the idea,

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[SPEAKER_00]: that you watch a lot of wrestling matches.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm sure you have a top five, a top 10, a top whatever of your highest ranked matches of the year.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I want to ask you two questions.

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[SPEAKER_00]: One.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Where does Kenny Omega against Will Osprey fit on the list of your highest rank matches of the year and two when it comes to your favorite matches of the year where does it sit because I know those aren't always the same so I wanted to give you the opportunity to answer both in case they were doing it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: No, that's a good way to put it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I am just double-checking, but I'm almost positive.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's at the top of my list for matches of the year.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think I'm looking at the wrong year.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, I'm almost positive, it's at the top.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But the, and I'll confirm that in a second.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But the, for favorite, like,

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I liked it a lot.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Don't give me wrong, um, uh, but I'm not sure, like, if it is my fee, yeah, it's definitely my top, like, by quite a bit.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I'm just looking at some of the ones that I have up there and trying to think, you know, like, I, I really, really liked some

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[SPEAKER_01]: And it might be for my favorite match.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It might be Yoda's Suji and you, you, you and more.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I gave that one five stars and like if it was a little bit longer or you know, like if it was a little bit different, I might have rated it a little bit differently.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I also really, really like the the Grande versus Grande match.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Just kind of had a lot that just kind of hit for me.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But you know, it's right up there with with those though, you know, and then I actually I'll say also from this show, I like like if I was going to rewatch a match again and if I said like what was my favorite match like Mercedes and Willow like I I like it wasn't as good just because I you know like.

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[SPEAKER_01]: they just had time to tell a better story in the main event and the guys are just you know at a different level of athletically and and everything and psychology wise too but like I've really really liked Mercedes and Willow a lot and I mean I've even rated it higher if Willow retained but you know because I thought that would have been a slightly better story but Mercedes

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like she's so damn good, like I, you know, I, I came to the realization watching this show that she might be the best person in wrestling male or female at selling for her opponent to make them look like dangerous and strong, like better than anybody.

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[SPEAKER_00]: What I thought you were going to say was you thought Mercedes was the best.

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[SPEAKER_00]: at fixing things on the fly.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, she, she's really good at that too.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, because in that my world match, the infamous, the now infamous my world match, yeah, there were moments in that match, I was like, oh, tough sledding for my hair.

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[SPEAKER_00]: She'd better be thankful that Mercedes is the one in the ring on the other side.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And in this match,

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[SPEAKER_00]: There were a couple of spots that it was unfortunate for Willow.

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[SPEAKER_00]: She slipped going for a moon salt.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so Mercedes saw the slip immediately got up.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They did some stuff so that she could put Mercedes down again.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then when she actually did the moon salt, she was about a full body short.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And Mercedes had to roll herself into position while taking the brunt of that moon salt.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know how, you know Mercedes is so good.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I have no idea if it hurt her or not to do that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But those moments, I was just like,

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[SPEAKER_00]: So woman is just ahead of the game when it comes to understanding or predicting when something may go awry and immediately having a fix for it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, that is how savvy she is in the ring.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, no, she's great.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And again, I don't even want to qualify by female.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, you know, a certain thing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: She's better than anybody.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So the reason why I asked you those questions in those ways is because I'm going to guess

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[SPEAKER_00]: that this match wins match of the year on a lot of different ballots or a lot of different awards.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's a three horse race right now, but I would say that's another one.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I almost think it's a two horse race.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I would be very surprised if the Grand Aversus Grande match holds up in a lot of these these balladings.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And well, I think people, the WWE fans are going to vote for that one, though.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But how many of them even watched that match compare to watching a WWE paper view or something?

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[SPEAKER_00]: I, a lot, I think a lot, like, I mean, that thing got a lot of use.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I,

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[SPEAKER_00]: I just, I, it doesn't have the magnitude, it doesn't have the importance.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, there's nothing going on today that tells you, remember that match that those guys had?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like it's just, we did a match and we move on and now maybe when it comes to Dominic and Grande, you know, maybe we'll be reminded of that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Chad Gables no longer in that suit, he's in it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's wrestling as himself.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I just don't think that that follow-up is going to really,

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's, I don't think it's going to stick with a lot of people.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think for the time in place, it was great and some of that is because I think from a wrestling match standpoint, high level WWE is, it's been a, like a, a B minus a year for that, just like everything else in WWE sort of a B minus.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like there have been some good matches, but I don't think the,

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[SPEAKER_00]: And there should be 10 matches from WWE that are on somebody's shortlist rather than Grande versus Grande.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like there should be, well, there's that punk and Roman and Roman and Rollins are the other two from WWE, but yeah, I mean, there's usually more by this point.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Look, and I don't think WWE's goal is to be on these lists, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: No, no.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Your goal is to, well, they're list to be all WWE.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, but their goal is to get on ESPN or to put something out there in the internet where they're showing a piece of it and people think it's the greatest thing they've ever seen.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's their goal.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, so I think it's a two horse race.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think it's Tana-Hashino-Kata, and I think it's this match will, and Omega, and I think the two things that are very similar about those matches in different ways, by the way, because one of those matches was Tana-Hashis going out, and this is his last match.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then the other scenario is,

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[SPEAKER_00]: will offspring need to be anointed in how is this going to happen.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And this match from the pageantry aspect of it, I'm going to compare it to something that I don't think stylistically, it was all that similar to, but it was very similar to the emotion of Cody finishing the story.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so a lot of the same feelings coming out of that match.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's different because WWE and AEW is different, but a lot of people saw Cody's like, oh, finally like he got there Think of his think of where he came from.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He got cut.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He went to AEW.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He and his friends started this company and now he's back and now he's the top guy like there was a lot of real life

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[SPEAKER_00]: to that story.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They even did the similar kind of entrance to like where you had Cody in the back, you know, with people from his past, like, you know, a little more obvious than the will one, but, you know, like, and, and, you know, and not as deep for sure.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But,

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[SPEAKER_00]: So the Will Osprey one was, this guy has been anointed by certain people as the greatest wrestler in the game, but when it came to his on paper resume, he didn't have the AEW world title and they held off that moment last year, they could have done it and they decided not to do it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They decided to wait knowing that they were going to go back and another similarity to Cody in a way.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and he didn't lose that which was a Cody way, but it was very similar way of holding it off for one more year.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So that means he lost, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: But not in the world time, actually he lost the Owen, but you know, so similar, you know, a year redemption, basically.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And there was a and there was an injury in there as well, similar to Cody.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That kept them out for a long time.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, the other part of this is they both really dialed up the emotion in both of those scenarios.

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[SPEAKER_00]: In the Cody one, the emotion with his wife with the the Avengers style finish this one with the entrance like you said and the emotion in the ring with both Omega and Osprey.

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[SPEAKER_00]: telling the story that they told.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So, I think the pageantry, I think the emotion, I think all of that stuff, added to the match in a way that will make sure that it just finishes so high.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Now, when it comes to the observer, you know, whatever Dave gives it, I don't think it's going to be the highest Omega Okada match.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But I think it's at least seven.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I think it was seven and maybe six, I think it'll be right right in that six point two five six point five range yeah, I gave it six you know, which was half a star clear of anything else this year.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I do think you're underestimating the anti-W or anti-AW vote that might go to Grande's but you know I won't persist on that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But yeah and you know and for a lot of people like the way they felt

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I certainly, like, I didn't feel the same way watching it or watching it back, like a lot of people have done.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But I understand why the people that did felt that way, especially if you're heavily invested in this company and that guy.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, specifically, you know, and you feel like, okay, this is this is where finally we got the belt on the top guy, the new ace and and he's going to take this company on his back and take them to the next level restore the feeling, you know, um, and and hey, we'll see you know, a W and Tony Khan have a challenge here.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: because they're follow ups with baby face championships have not been fantastic.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They've not been able to match the baby face winning the title for sure.

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[SPEAKER_01]: No, I think the last time they did it well,

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[SPEAKER_01]: was probably moxley like you know like I think I can listen for getting an obvious one because they either take it away real quickly or you know like kind of just bungalow it along the way and then like they're real good at the baby face challengers and the heel running rough shot and yeah that was always WWE strength too you know they always had a hard time with the long-term baby face champion.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, and it's probably like it's a common team for promoters everywhere.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like it's really hard to keep a baby face and not have the fans resent them, you know, like, oh, we want someone else.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I'll tell you right now for me, like, you know, I'll probably be rooting for everybody to be to ask for it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But that's just because I'm, you know, I don't, I don't particularly care for the character of Osprey.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think he's great wrestler and everything, but there's things about his character.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't like, but, you know, that's, that's totally a me thing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't blame the AW at all on that one.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I, I kind of get it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's a, he's a little bit of, um, he's, he's not quite the obnoxious jock that sort of the Triple H character was, but he has someone who definitely believes in himself and he's somebody who has, has some fun with the language that may not vibe with certain folks, especially when it comes to this.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He's going to have a Sean Michaels

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[SPEAKER_01]: There's like a disrespect that comes off that I don't even think is intended, but it kind of feels that way.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then just the, I don't know, just some of the decisions he makes as a character too.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But that's, I mean, I think a lot of people, what I don't like is actually what appeals to other people is that he's a flawed character.

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[SPEAKER_01]: People don't like that white meat 100% baby face like Cody.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They want their baby faces to have flaws and they can identify with them.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I totally understand that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And yeah, so, you know, I get why I don't agree.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, I don't feel that way.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I totally understand why people do.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And because of that, like, I think he should have a long title reign.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Just because I'm going to be written for him to lose every month, doesn't mean he should.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I just, you know, he is a fan watching.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'll be like, probably written for the for the heel.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'll probably identify with the heel.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I mean, my whole thing about this is I'm really going to be watching to see how they keep him yeah over yeah how they keep him fresh and how they can maximize what they've been waiting to pay off after all these these.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm curious too if they're going to continue with this presentation of like the world title match.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like I didn't watch the post show press or but you know I read things about it and stuff and it sounds like will want the world title to be like treated differently.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, with him holding it, like he wants the challengers to earn their shots and, you know, and maybe part of that whole thing is going to be, you know, like this thing with people at ringside is going to be something that they're doing all the time as opposed to just for this one match.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, so like you they'd have like seconds or friends or, you know, whatever, I mean, it may not work for everybody and maybe the only one to do it for the big matches.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know, but it's just something I thought of.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then, but then, of course, as soon as you do that, you're instantly thinking, okay, well, how are we going to work this into an angle like that's just my it my fed brain.

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[SPEAKER_01]: My North American wrestling brain that I've been watching pro wrestling for my whole life.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And that's always what's been.

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[SPEAKER_01]: If there's people at ringside, they're going to get involved.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So when it didn't happen here, I was glad.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I didn't want them to get involved.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But the whole time they were there, I was thinking, OK, what's going to happen?

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[SPEAKER_01]: How are they going to get involved?

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then it didn't happen.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I was glad that it didn't happen.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But I was also wondering, OK, well, if it didn't happen, then why were they there?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I mean, it's, it's a little bit of a different mentality.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's like the New Japan.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's a New Japan.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, Will said that he was there when Calum won the title.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So he wanted Calum to be there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Even though they've been feuding and I guess not really, did they actually do the turn?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Or they know, I mean, no, like, Calum got really mad at him because he wanted to use a weapon in the match with Suji and Will wouldn't let him and then he lost the title.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So, you know, I hope this doesn't happen, but I'm expecting Calum to be the one that eventually costs him the title, you know, but hopefully that doesn't happen.

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[SPEAKER_00]: All right, so another big thing that happened was the new level debuted in AEW, the former New Day.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, they got a SEP FURG song, which was tremendous, by the way, you know, it's one of those things where,

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[SPEAKER_00]: you know in Tony Khan on so open that checkbook it's it can be so this I think I asked you about this and I can remember what you said but was it is this like a big song like I haven't recognized it just the chorus I'm on a new level that's that's what's the the noticeable part like if you so they like they but is it like a well-known song or like he made the song for them

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[SPEAKER_01]: No, it's a well known song.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, okay.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I don't think I've heard it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but that's cool.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, and so they come in, I think they're doing the rounds.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think they were on aerial today or or some or some.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I guess it was today.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I imagine they're going to be doing more about this because part of their story is WWE wanting them to take a pay cut.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I think Kofi said it was more than 50% of what they were making.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And they said no.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And, you know, they are very well known.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm interested

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[SPEAKER_00]: some of an audience that may have been a little stubborn to watch AEW.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I wonder if they can bring some of those folks over.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know if they can.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Wrestling is so tribal these days that even somebody like the new day who are very popular act, they may not be able to do it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know what we'll see.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, were they bringing fans to WWE?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Did fans from WWE leave?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like that's always the question, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, but but I do think like being on aerial certainly helped and and there's a lot of buzz and that interests that interests and wills entrance both got you know a lot of use on YouTube so clearly there's interest there.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Mm-hmm.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Now they did a thing at the end of the, uh,

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm still befuddled as to why Nick and Matt were just cool with getting beat by, uh, a foreign object.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And they're just like, hey, we'll watch all the rest of these teams come in.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So they brought in all the teams.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They brought in the Motor City Machine Guns, who we haven't seen for very long time.

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[SPEAKER_00]: very long time.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Since their debut, I haven't really seen them.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then they brought in FTR and then the new level came out as well.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So there was like a five team stand off.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And they wanted to, you know, kind of accentuate the fact that

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[SPEAKER_00]: they have some really good tag teams and these all of these teams are going to be in the mix against each other and it should be really good for the division and all of that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So what did you think of that part of the show and, you know, just the idea of the new level being an AW.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think the new level being an AW is a good thing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I know that they want to be there.

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[SPEAKER_01]: A lot of the people in AW want to work with them.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think this has been something that they've wanted since AWS started, like they wanted to do like an interpromotional thing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But obviously that was never going to happen.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So this is the next thing, unless the young bucks and or Kenny were going to go over to WWE and there was a possibility of that, but obviously it didn't happen.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I will say, when all the people got out there,

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[SPEAKER_01]: my initial thought, and I don't like that I thought this, but I did.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It looked like a bunch of teams from SmackDown and the young books, and it was like when all those teams were in WWE, all we heard about was how a W had the better tag teams, and they were going to focus on tag team wrestling, and this is not the other thing, and then they go and get all the teams from WWE and bring them in and tell us, oh, now we've got the good tag teams.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But meanwhile, all those tag teams that were already in a W at the time, what are they doing those guys?

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, like we haven't seen, and again, I'm not saying private party or the the guns or, I keep pointing the top flight and all these teams that have been in a W for years.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not saying they're better than these guys, but

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[SPEAKER_01]: It just made me feel like, okay, you know, like that's cool, you sign these tag teams.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And now, you know, what's different about them now than when they were in WWE.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And why should I care?

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's what I want to see.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I want to see a focus on the tag teams as opposed to just saying we have these tag teams.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know what I mean?

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[SPEAKER_01]: So if there's a, if you're going to do make it serious, have them headline of paper.

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[SPEAKER_01]: If you have the main event in television shows, have them be a focus of the show as opposed to, oh, hey, we got a bunch of tag teams.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know what I mean?

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[SPEAKER_01]: And until they do that, it's no different than what it was before.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's just new new older names that are bigger stars.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Do you enjoy watching Dylan sees pitch?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, does it make it less of your, does it ruin your enjoyment for the fact that they had to sign them in free agency and not bring them up to the farm system?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Uh, no, um, Matt Cerser would have been a better ask on that one, but uh, I, I get your point.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, no, yeah, I get, I get your point as a Blue J's fan.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, as a BlueJ's fan, I want them to get all the top names, but I will also say that before they got Dylan Sees, I knew Dan Well that we didn't have the best pitching in the American League, and now we do.

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[SPEAKER_01]: like, you know what I mean?

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[SPEAKER_01]: So because we got the guy, you know, Dylan sees and we got Max's and we got Shane Beaver and we brought up a young guy, trade us a average and we had Kevin God's when we let him go.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, so, you know, in that sense, you know, yeah, I know what you're saying.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm not saying they shouldn't assign the new day, you know, and and I'm not, I think the new level, like the,

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[SPEAKER_00]: They would they have like a that's like a B plus not quite an A but a B plus Beginning I would I would have I would have done it slightly differently So I know some some folks in the chat are saying that you know, they still think of FTR as a WWE team Yeah, yeah, they've almost been in AEW as long as they were previously in NXT and WWE together really

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's just so, you know, it is, I understand the, the thought, but, you know, I always go back to what Dana White said when they bought pride.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's like, they're my guys now.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And yeah, yeah, you know, and if I have, you know,

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[SPEAKER_00]: Krocop fighting.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It doesn't mean that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, pride is better than UFC.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's like, nope.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's my guy now.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So that aspect of it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I get what you're saying.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I would say for the motor city machine guns.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They took a WWE deal when the AEW deal was probably there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And they probably wanted to go to AEW, but they couldn't pass up the the a thought or the dream or the idea.

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[SPEAKER_00]: of, hey, if we can make it here, you know, that will mean something.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So, or maybe even the money, for all we know, they got offered more money.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, yeah, they couldn't have gotten offered.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So, I will say though, too, like, when it wasn't so much like any one of the individual teams, it wasn't until they were all out there.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And, and for me, and I'm curious, I would say your thoughts, as you were watching.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, when I saw the Motor City Machine Guns come out,

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[SPEAKER_01]: I was like, oh, that's cool.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, like, oh, we're going to see the motor city machine guns against one of these teams, you know, either the young bucks or the thing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then FTR comes out and I was like, oh, okay, it's a four-way.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then the new level comes up, oh, okay, and then it hit me.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, oh, these are all XWW teams.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I wish they could have had another like homegrown, you know, kind of more associated with a

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm sure even they would way more associate themselves as being an A, W, then a W, W, and to be honest, like I don't even hardly think of them as W, W, to be anymore, it was only when they were in there with all those other guys that it hit me, you know, but you know, like if you can get like the guns mixed in there and that is,

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[SPEAKER_00]: the team that, unfortunately, there may be political reasons there, just because of who their dad is.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The rascals, see, I'm out on those guys.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm out on the rascals.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm out on private party.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm out on these teams that wrestle a lesser version of a young bucks match.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like if you're like that team that is the best team and they wrestle this style.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So anybody who wrestles like them to me,

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[SPEAKER_00]: comes off second there will if that's the case and why do you even have those guys.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think Tony con just like having team yeah like I know like I mean there's other ones you know I mean they I mean you know you've got the dogs um that that's an interesting one right but again it's not like their home grown they dare from new Japan well yeah but I mean that's I guess there's just not WWE exactly yeah that's right or you know like technically there WWE too but I definitely don't think it was I mean the history the AEW's origin story is taking

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and John Moxley and interspersing them and Cody Rhodes, by the way, and interspersing them with Kenny Omega and the young books, like that's the origin story of the company.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and at that point they became WWE because like I get like Moxley, I mean, I don't ever think look at him and think WWE.

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[SPEAKER_01]: because I mean to me, it's a different guy, you know what I mean?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like there's Dean Ambrose and Trump Oxley, and I do find it funny occasionally in WWE, they'll say mocks, you know, because they just, they want him back so bad and they're never going to get him.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, you know, because they want, they want to, they want to finish that story.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But, you know, they could get him.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But the guy who runs the show strip of the age, like, I don't even think they could.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, I don't think they could.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The problem is, they wouldn't get him.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They'd get in your Ambros if they ever agreed to something.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They, yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So he wouldn't even be in John Mox anymore.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I wanted to answer this before we move on to a little bit more of it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think I see the questions.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So that one.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Toys Grub says, will you be commenting on B.J.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Bethel's dismissal the day after last week's take down?

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[SPEAKER_00]: I've not heard it discussed since any.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Any other content.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, so for BJ Bethel, I'm not going to answer for him.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like if he wants to come on and talk about that scenario He can I can give you my opinion on the scenario, which is You know, we gave him ever every opportunity to talk about that story and I was glad that he came on like a lot of people were invested into that story

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's just, it's probably not a story story that is like, like, like, I don't know how he can be right about that at this point when, you know, we'll see down the line.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He may be proven.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, he, yeah, I mean, he can't, he can't prove what what he reported was right, but what he reported will probably end up happening.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So it's quite possible.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but that doesn't mean that his reporting was accurate.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It also doesn't mean it wasn't.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I will say this.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think he talked to people who he trusts are telling him this and that's what he went with now on the side of why he got let go.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, that that's just a wrestling website stuff, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's just what I will say.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And there is something that people criticize us for not asking about.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I'll explain on my end.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, you may have a different reason, but they wanted us to press him on his tweet about reaching out to ESPN fan support.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And in my opinion,

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[SPEAKER_01]: We weren't having him on to embarrass him.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We were having him on to discuss this media story and to discuss his story.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And that comment was out there.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And they used it, the SEC scoops, used it as an excuse to make him look bad on the way out the door, which I think was,

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't I don't like that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think that was a bad look on their part.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Let's just put it this way if I was writing for SE scoops I would have probably quit like I just I just Vibed with stuff like that now you know, I think he said I don't if he said with us before or on the air But this is this this is the protocol that he always uses.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, he probably should have done more But you know, well, whether he should have done more or not that's that's one question I don't think he should have put it out there

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like I don't think I think all he needed to do was to say, I have my sources and I stand by the story.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He doesn't have to explain who he talked to and who didn't respond back or anything like that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That was his mistake.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And as a result of that mistake and probably pressure that was put on the website by the powers that be in other companies.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He's no longer.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Or the internet.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It could have just been or the internet.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He generally had it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But it was.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It really seemed like they were just spineless and we're going to get rid of him because they wanted, they didn't want the, yeah, it is what it is, he's, he's after you thing with that, how he wants to do, if he wants to come on and talk about it, you know, I would have him on, I think he's a pretty, pretty good dude.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, he's, and at a smart guy, I mean, if you listen to the conversation, you can tell, and I mean, and his even, even his version of the story,

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[SPEAKER_01]: when you have a 30 minute conversation, it's different than what it is in an article that's why we had them on to read exactly.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think we had a better conversation than his 175 word blog, and by the end of the conversation he was even saying like, yeah, I mean, I mean, it's possible they will be back, but at this point I don't expect it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, so let's move on and I wanted to talk about two specific things when it comes to WWE and then we can get out of here and the first being It was very sad to see this tournament against Roman Reigns and because I've been enjoying these matches So much you should watch AAA I know I know it's just too many too many things.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I know um

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think the Phoenix and Pentamatch, the only thing I will say about it that's negative is I think the match needs to be longer and it needed to be on

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm probably on a PLE because the commercials like for me, I don't know if you're still like this, but still for me, I cannot watch wrestling in the same way, knowing that there's a commercial break and knowing that I'm missing the match and knowing that I got to then fast forward through this thing, like it just disrupts my enjoyment of it, which is why I'm not a big fan of television wrestling or television show wrestling.

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[SPEAKER_00]: so that is a negative and they were a little rushed like especially near the end you could tell like they probably had bigger ideas on what to do to tell this brother versus brother story but they only had 13 minutes or 15 minutes or whatever it was and so they rushed they rest a little bit through the end but man some explosive spots

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[SPEAKER_00]: uh... that flip that flip off the top rope the actual um... the finish of the match was just so athletic and uh... these guys were these guys were pretty much on fire there was a couple of things that i think you know that i think there was like a back flip into a cutter that uh... phoenix probably didn't lean in hard enough for that it looked like it may have missed but that was such a fun match

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[SPEAKER_00]: And this is kind of why I want it to also bring it up.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think it's going to mean nothing because yeah, because we're just going to beat him.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Rome is going to beat him.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And they're going to, I think, I think Pente will get some really good nearfalls.

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[SPEAKER_00]: For sure, I think Roman is going to be really, really strong in that area of selling for him.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But we know that he's, he's Roman's going to win.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And he's got to win impressively.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And he's got to win clean because he's the business for them.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I guess the good thing that could come out of it, there's two, actually.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, in the last week, Ray Phoenix has had three matches on WWE television that were pretty damn great.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like three of the best TV matches a year.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You had this one, he had the one last week,

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[SPEAKER_01]: with drag and lead and then he had one on NXT, um, I'm drawing a blank on who it was against, but it was, it was, it was pretty awesome.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So three matches in a week that probably told the, the people in WWE, hey, we can put this guy in in big matches that take up a lot of TV time.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We can put him on PLEs and he's not going to let us down.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And with Penta,

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[SPEAKER_01]: when he gets to Mexico and they see how over he is and they see people biting for those nearfalls and when they see how pissed off they are when he doesn't win that may put him in a good a better position than he was before this started.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Where they may look at him as I'll die that they could potentially put a world title on.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, I don't think he's ever going to be Roman, but, you know, if somebody, like, I could see him maybe like beating a like a gunster or, you know, Kevin Owens or, you know, somebody at that level, if they're holding a title, you know, so, so if that happens, then you know, some good came out of this tournament.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I also hope that WWE realizes that having strong wrestling matches with clean finishes is good for their product is good for their televised product.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We don't always need to have

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[SPEAKER_00]: a good match spoiled by interference or spoiled by something that's a little bit more important like you know they had to choice and they did the they did the jack of fatu situation or kind of disrupts Raquel and soul at the beginning.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I didn't take away from the match necessarily, but it did tell the fans like, okay, sorry, nice little women's match.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We have a main event or here and you know, he needs to go crazy for a second.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't like it when they do stuff like that, but I understand why they do it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It was a little bit different from what they usually do, but have wrestling matches.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It doesn't always have to be the same match, it doesn't always have to be the same guys.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You have a big roster too.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We complain about sometimes AEW has a giant roster in these guys.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Don't wrestle.

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[SPEAKER_00]: WWE is a giant roster too.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We see some folks sometimes and then we don't see them for a while.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like this should be like a strength for them, is too.

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[SPEAKER_00]: utilize this midcard that you have and put them in good rushing matches and this is what we would say about raw and about nitro like here's here's the nitro was pretty good at doing that though they definitely told you the difference between these small guys and the main eventers that's for sure but still you would get your wrestling match and then you saw your angles with the main eventers and I think

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[SPEAKER_00]: they need to do more of that on raw and because they have the opportunity and I thought this tournament showcased that and you know yeah all these guys that you've never seen on raw right because they're in AAA or they're undercard guys they may wrestle on main event

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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, now I'll tell you how I how I will have to watch triple A is if it starts being meaningful and if it starts drawing crazy attendance and if it starts getting it is drawing crazy it is drawing crazy attendance, but you know, it's kind of off your radar like they're selling out every show.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, what did they do this weekend?

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[SPEAKER_01]: I didn't see, but was it in the summer?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Was it in vape?

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[SPEAKER_00]: No, that's that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That was two weeks, isn't it?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, yeah, there's there, I don't know, some city of Mexico.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like I, you know, Dave reports them and I don't know where they're at.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I thought they ran the same building that NXT ran this weekend.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yeah, that's right.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They did.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you're right.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Texas.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It was on 676.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It was a small building.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's right.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's right.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think they're at like something like 5,900 for T-Mobile or wherever they're running.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, MGM I think.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so they'll probably do like 8500 for that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, that's I mean, that's pretty good, but it's not.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, it's on the cell out.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They sell out when they're in Mexico.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I haven't seen the AAA show from the weekend yet, or the NXT show.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I will say, like, I really, really, and this is a testament to AW because I mean, I fully intended to watch the paper view before we recorded.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I normally would have done that today, and I really wanted to see that show.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, you know, there's a lot of stuff on that show that I was really invested in, and I really wanted to see it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I really wanted to talk about it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I didn't want to wait until Tuesday to talk about it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I did watch it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And you know, and I'm glad I did, although it was hard to get that show in.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But now there's a lot of stuff I haven't seen yet.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So,

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[SPEAKER_01]: and triple A and then it's C being two of them.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I haven't seen most of them.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I did watch the stuff that you told me to watch.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Including that opening segment was different and different is good, I think.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I didn't like the way Netflix shot it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It was it everywhere where it was all like blurred and stuff.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think it was a Netflix choice from what I saw.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think maybe WWE may have ran the unedited like on socials or something okay because I don't get that like it's I watch shows on Netflix all the time with blood Like it doesn't make any sense, but Yeah, because it was

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know because of the way I like the game.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, I mean, but I do like like I like the way that new group is coming off like we didn't talk about that last week because I hadn't seen it yet, but I like what they're doing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, the first read the reaction from the crowd the first week wasn't great, but that's because they didn't know like probably really any of them.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, Royce is barely known and and they didn't know the other two, but if they keep doing stuff like this, they're going to get known and and they're doing it with top stars.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I do, I did like that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, the litmus test is though.

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[SPEAKER_00]: What when they have the first match.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, well, they're good.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Or somebody going to, oh, then.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Right, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, they got to beat somebody.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, the useless could take a loss.

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[SPEAKER_01]: solo can definitely take a loss.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He was all the time that dude.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, I know.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And Hobbs, I mean, obviously he needs to keep him strong, but NEMA and price, they're a good team.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I saw them.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I saw their first match in level up.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, this is how far back they go.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I remember I remember messaging John, LaRaca, and saying, watch these guys, you're going to like them.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And he's been pretty high on them, you know, all the way along and they didn't do much with them in NXT like hardly anything at all and I was wondering are they going to get cut so when they, they did an angle last week on AAA where Parostell Mall dumped NEMA and I was like oh shit, they're getting cut and then, you know, then they shop on raw literally two days later.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So that was cool.

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[SPEAKER_00]: What do you think was a little bit more heavier on the TV PG 30 PG rating for Netflix, the gang style brawl or

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[SPEAKER_00]: the teasing of Lola, or you haven't seen it yet, but the, their videos of Lola vice like walking through the through, you know, from the, the legs up.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I, well, I did, I did kind of see that when you're skipping through to get to what you need to see and that's on their stop at a stop.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, like, okay, yes, yeah, it's like those old sunny videos.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's actually what it reminded me of.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, yeah, I think that's probably part of the strategy to do something like that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and and debuting her in Mexico is great because she's over his health there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So, you know, that'll be great.

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[SPEAKER_01]: She's just coming in two weeks.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, yeah, and I was expecting her on SmackDown, but they probably need her more here.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think because that's SmackDown.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, they.

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[SPEAKER_01]: they might as well just toss that thing in the garbage like that that that whole oh my god that you're right about SmackDown like Yeah, because you did watch it before I did watch it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean they were having a good main event and then it exactly what I was expecting to happen and second week in a row It's almost like they feel that they can get away with it because it's a tape show

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think they just feel like they can get away with it because they're not going to get away with it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but that crowd was dead.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I mean, well, it is partially because they taped two shows in a row.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So by the, you know, by the fourth hour, they were probably just about done.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, but you know, you're getting mixed messages from the, I mean, this is another weird thing they're doing right now.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You got CM Punk who is supposed to be a baby face, but he's acting like a heal.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You've got Roman Reigns who I think is supposed to, he's a heal, but the fans cheer him.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know why they cheer him because he's an asshole and, I mean, and he's putting out hits on baby faces and like, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and,

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[SPEAKER_00]: You need to listen to, I know it's going to take you probably a month, but last night's wrestling observer radio, Brian Rose from F4W, he tweeted that Dave and Brian's exact argument about this baby face thing was the Bugs Bunny and Daffy Duck rabbit season duck season argument.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean, to me, it's like it's obvious he's a heel, but the fans haven't figured it out yet.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So maybe that's what the pentathing is going to be, too.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like maybe that's going to solidify his heel turn, but I don't know.

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[SPEAKER_00]: All right, let's end with a little bit of this bloodline stuff because they are clearly, at least clearly to me, building for survivor series or setting up or teasing survivor series, which is in November.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So two more months, a little probably more than almost three months.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And along the way, they have money in the bank to get through, and then they have, I think there's a Saudi show.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, they just announced, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Uh, yeah, in November, there's something like that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So there's still some PLS to get to before war games, but if we're reading the tea leaves and maybe we're reading them a little bit early, Royce Keys, OTM, and probably two people

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[SPEAKER_00]: And are is solo and night going to team with them because they have a same enemy like is that what's going to happen.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, I see I was wondering if if we're going to get.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Excuse me, we might get Roman and solo and the.

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[SPEAKER_01]: the cousins against Fat, against Fat II, and keys, and OTA.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So maybe Fat II joins with his book.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We would have to reverse that story, undo that storyline of him joining, which was not that long ago, which I'd be fine with.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But Jacob is also fantastic in the role that he's in right now.

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[SPEAKER_00]: A three on three on three war games.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, they've done that before.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So then it would be solo, LA night and somebody else against Roman in the use so's and I guess this yeah I don't know I kind of like the form for I mean it could be five on five I mean LA nights kind of got to be in there somehow unless unless the whole thing would be taking out LA night you know like and and that would be you know you get rid of him.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, there's other guys too.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, Drew McIntyre is, you know, probably where do you come back soon, I would think.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And there's other people that, you know, we're probably not even thinking of that haven't been around.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, I, it's obviously gonna be some sort of bloodline versus, you know, not bloodline, but bloodline adjacent or something.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.

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[SPEAKER_01]: This fact too, or does a key's group have a name yet?

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think so, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: not yet.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think so.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I think they should just keep the OTM name.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I like that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Ultimate.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It works for Hobbes too, or for Keys.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I have a hard time not calling him Hobbes.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to be, I'm going to overunder on me calling a new level new day tomorrow on the dive.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Everybody knows.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I just going to be like 6.5.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, everybody's doing it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I guess, you know, before we cut out here, the, the thing, I think the whole key to this thing,

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[SPEAKER_00]: Is you need to push Royce as a main of enter?

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[SPEAKER_00]: I should probably he should probably win the money in the bank.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I Don't see it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I Don't believe that they will do it, but it has to happen in order for you to take in order for anybody to take out groups seriously

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I didn't say he will.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I said he needs to.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They have to get a big win.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Royce has to beat somebody and it can't be beating Jimmy Uso that is not it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's got to beat a top guy to show himself as as a very people.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The chat have the name 964.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's cool.

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[SPEAKER_01]: What area code is that?

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[SPEAKER_01]: I assume it's

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know, I didn't look like a, like, the area code.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, maybe they're just going to tell us it is.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So where is OTM from?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, it's freaking I rack.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's right.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's right.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's okay.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But no, I think, um, one of those for Puerto Rico.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Bronco Neema is from Oakland and it looks like Lucian prices from the DMV area.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So Washington, DC.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, okay.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I just didn't know why I thought Puerto Rico.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then Royce Keys from East Palo Alto, which is not technically Oakland, but it's not far from Oakland.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, I don't know.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It doesn't make any sense to me.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So whatever this if it is nine six four is it like a police code, maybe maybe maybe there's something.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, maybe there's something to it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But I don't know.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I just I would just hope that they have an idea for these guys and that it's more than just like a start stop nine six four is is a police radio code.

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[SPEAKER_01]: but it just means traffic lights out.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know what I mean?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, California, penal code 964 relates to specific criminal procedure laws.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It doesn't sound very deviant to me.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It doesn't sound very bad as either.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I guess I'll explain it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, they are doing literally MFT's name is now Motherfuck and Tongots.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I guess.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, it's not who says that every time.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They believe them, but he says it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think that's cool.

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[SPEAKER_00]: All right, so for the dynamite show, you and Jeff are following Jeff has been on one man.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He was he was and I'm only talking about social media Jeff, but he was so down on the idea of the build up for Omega and Osprey.

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[SPEAKER_00]: and I was just like I think we all were like yeah could have been better and then what did we all say after the match no one's gonna care because they're only gonna talk about how good the match was and that's how all of this stuff is all the time while the other thing is they're all going now saying well the build is great

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, you know, it was it was solid at times.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I it was good at times and then it was kind of like a miss at times it depends how you how you know what how you feel and I will say like if they had done the build like I wanted them to

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[SPEAKER_01]: Man, that video would have been so much better, like in my opinion, like the video they showed and everything because I wanted it always to be about Will and Kenny and and that story.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I thought I was a great story.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, they played the video at the end of Dynamite last week.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, had they had they had they played that video before the face-off segment.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think it would have made a lot more sense about the what they've absolutely absolutely yeah Yeah, so but I mean we got there.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know and and wills on top and and you know a lot of people are feeling real good about things They got a huge rating last week too.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We didn't mention that but and there's new ratings this week so we'll see how it affects YouTube numbers are

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, now you can accidentally click on a video and you're counted as a viewer on YouTube.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Nine episodes into the music nerds podcast.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We had our highest view of all time.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There you go.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You only need a thousand subscribers and like 40,000 view what watch viewers to monetize on YouTube.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then I can get Elplathora sending me a random super chat that's going to get me

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[SPEAKER_00]: to get us five bucks.

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[SPEAKER_00]: All right, so dynamite show.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Mercedes celebration is on tap.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think there's a new level match.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, new level against the rascals.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We've talked about it since the rascals.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so we'll see.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, I'm sure Tony is putting that show together.

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[SPEAKER_00]: as we speak because he's trying to figure out who's healthy and who's not feeling too well and maybe maybe a young young Steve Borden will get a match John Moxiel have a match announced on Twitter at 430 Pacific yeah yeah John Moxiel against some random just some random match that Clark Conner's something oh no they're their partners their friends yeah I won't be

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[SPEAKER_00]: Did he do that?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I fat suit.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Did he do?

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[SPEAKER_00]: I lost on jeopardy.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He did not.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I was, I was, I was upset about that, but he didn't.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So my grand son has been listening to Weird Al nonstop since he found out he was going to the concert.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So like about a month.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And he said, Weird Al played all of his favorites.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, that was

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[SPEAKER_01]: the Star Wars one.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, finish off with Yoda.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That was pretty cool.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The guy's great.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's a great entertainer like a surgeon like a certain.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, you got another one rides the bus All right, like I said YouTube subscribe helps us out just the first subscribers and I'll also in the audio feed as well So all right that is it from here.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Thanks to everyone hanging out in the chat for Paul.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I have WCU and we see you peace out