AEW All Out vs. WWE Wrestlepalooza: Which Show Is More Interesting? | Takedown

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[SPEAKER_01]: It is the calm before the storm, Paul Fontaine and WG here, ready to talk about the big weekend that we have planned for Saturday night, actually Saturday day and Saturday night.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I forgot, I asked you, did I have to ask you, I know I asked Laraca what his points were.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, I'd surprised you because my first priority is the J's.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I'm going to watch the J's game and then I'll get to the wrestling and, you know, and smack down from the night before and like, yeah, there is no UFC.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think I said there was a UFC, but they actually got this weekend off.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Thank God.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So that actually, like,

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, in a W show as long as it is, it's less time than a UFC show most of the time.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So this this week, we can actually won't be too bad for me.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And you're completely fine with, I like, but are you, are you, are you watching the AWP perfume?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Is that?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I think so.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I mean, yeah, I think I'm going to get the bundle because I have the VPN and trailer and all that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I think they're offering like the next two shows for like 35 bucks.

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[SPEAKER_00]: like total.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, I think that might have something to do with these numbers that they're getting to.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But we won't talk about that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, so you know, all order that, you know, site unseen, you know, for 35 bucks, I know what's going to be worth it for a need for 2AW pay reviews.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, I mean, they, is this VPN situation?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, of course, we've been through this piracy scenario with all of the major sports pay per views.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You have see.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's really, it probably tank their business.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So what though they made out with the pair.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, that that one's different.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's the flat out stealing like VPN.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But still, I'm sure, AEW would want you to pay your 50 bucks or 40 bucks to max.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's how they get paid.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Sure, there are these international numbers that get juiced by Americans and Canadians and other things because they're cheaper.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That I'm sure that's not great for their accounting.

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[SPEAKER_00]: No, but I mean, you'll turn it if maybe that you don't get the show.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So at least they're getting something.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, like, there, there, there's been more than one where I would not have bought it at full price.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So, you know, and I know other people that feel the same way.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, and, and I remember our wage when they used to have their shows on, and they were charging for them.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, I, I went in with our friend, pre, we would, or the other, and share a password.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There's no way, there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: One of us was paying full price, but if we could each pay half, and we would do that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So, I think that, I think that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: that happens a lot to sharing them.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but this is that's the other thing that HBO Max wants to crack down on is the password sharing that might hurt them that might hurt them, but I don't think we're going to get those max paper view numbers anyways.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So it's going to be interesting to see things date Dave thinks he's going to get them.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Really?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Well.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Actually, I don't think if he thinks he's going to get him, but he's 100% sure that Tony's going to get him.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So he's going to get the pay for the numbers, but he can't get TV viewership numbers because there's a revenue split in balls.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I think I found a perspective.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They're going to get a check for me.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I still think that they're those numbers.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The reason they don't want them out is because they're not as big as people like there.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, that is definitely part of it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That is one part of it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But the other part of it is,

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[SPEAKER_01]: if they if they don't have to make the data public it helps them in their leverage of for sure they pay these people.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Did you see that article that came out uh I think is late last week from ad week that where we are going to get max numbers apparently starting next week or not next week next year I should say is that because of the new nails and stuff?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah yeah yeah they they've reached to deal with WBD.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'll send you the article.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know if you

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You should just share it in the discord.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I will.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: No, that's that that's very interesting.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I guess let's talk about these shows and the way we don't need to preview them.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Everyone's going to do their preview.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We know the main match is now and I guess what I'm interested in knowing from you and I actually kind of think I know your answer to this because you watch all the television for both companies.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So it's not like you are pro one company over another, which is most of the discussion in these days, which is why it's pretty frustrating.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But if you, if you were, let's say if I put a gun to your head and I said, you cannot watch both of these shows, you're only watching one.

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[SPEAKER_01]: What is the more interesting show for you?

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't even really care about which one you think is going to be better because that is also subjective based on your wrestling fandom, but if you could only watch one and the other one, you just could not watch it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like what interests you more between these two shows?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, so what interests me more is the stuff on the WWE show, but

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[SPEAKER_00]: If you told me I could only watch one show, I might choose the AWS show if only because I could probably go back later and just find out what happened on the WWE show and see highlights on YouTube and stuff.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But if we're talking about which one am I most looking forward to and which one do I want to see the most, that would be the WWE show like this time.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And that's not usually the case.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There's many of these WWE shows that

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[SPEAKER_00]: If I had to pay for them, I would skip them for sure.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: This one, I definitely would have, would have paid for, you know, like it, you need to a point.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like I don't know if I'd pay 50 bucks.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like that's a lot of money, you know, for what WWE gives you, but I might, because this feels almost like a WrestleMania.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like not quite a WrestleMania, but the top matches are pretty big, you know, we're getting

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, if you can put put aside the fact that, you know, do we really want to see Brock, you know, might be stay away for, for folks to make.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It might probably get a lot of people, but definitely some.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We're getting John Cena's last match, we're getting, and we're getting this back Becky and AJ.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, I'll just say that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like punk and all last match for not not his last last match.

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[SPEAKER_00]: No, no, one of his last matches.

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[SPEAKER_00]: One of his last matches.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, like he's got like probably two more after this.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I would guess.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, so I mean, those are the big draws and then there's a bunch of other stuff, too, you know, like for the wrestling fans like EO and Stephanie is going to be great.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And Cody and Drew, you know, it was going to, you know, usos reuniting, that's fun, you know, so there's a lot of like cool stuff on this show.

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[SPEAKER_00]: and it does feel special where the other showed like it's going to be great wrestling really, really great wrestling probably, but it also feels like it's just been thrown together and other than the edge and Christian match, nothing else on the show feels even remotely special.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Is this?

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[SPEAKER_01]: A, let's really, really, really sell a paper view to the sickos.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Is that what this show is?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe like, and then with the gimmicks, like it's crazy how many gimmicks there are.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know the thing about the gimmicks?

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[SPEAKER_01]: is that the gimmicks, if you go back to our early early discussions about AEW and what we wanted AEW to be, one of those things was let's not do all of these crazy gimmick matches, multi-person matches, matches that are there simply to avoid finishes, like let's really treat this a little bit more like a sport.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Those

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[SPEAKER_01]: Those were our early discussions about AEW, but I think with AEW or what Tony Con realized is the more mayhem he can get out of stuff is what the fans like and they don't actually care about the sport aspect in the sense.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They just want to see the action and the craziness and they want to, you know, send a gift to friends going like, look at this crazy thing that you don't see on WWE because otherwise, like I look at that stuff and the reason why that shows a little bit of a turn off to me.

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[SPEAKER_01]: is because it's going to be all the same spots, the same moves, the same high spots, the same rhythm of the matches, like it's all just going to be to me, at least.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Outside of, I think the main event will be good, and I think they'll be smart enough to slow it down a little bit.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think the edge and Christian match will be a very smart match as well.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So those will be kind of very long, I bet.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, those would be the ones that are a little bit on the other side.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And that's those of the matches that I'm interested in seeing most.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But my goodness.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, it's funny.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's you brought that up.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And like, and I've been watching some of the early dynamites whenever I free time.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Usually like late at night on a like Sunday or something.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'll throw an old dynamite.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And they would have these one on one matches.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And even on the paper views.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And it would be like hang and page against Pock.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And you're like,

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know who's going to win this like you know and and somebody would win like it it wasn't like a dq it wasn't you know and occasionally they did a draw but but it was like they do these one on one matches and then I'm reading the observers and a lot of the complaints about ww at the time were well you know they do a paper view and then the the next day after the paper view

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[SPEAKER_00]: you get the world champion come out and they do an interview and then the four challengers come out and they all do interviews and then the general manager makes a match you know between all four guys fighting for a title shot or he built a five way between the champion and those four.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The only difference now is Tony waits until the week before the paper

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[SPEAKER_00]: We've got two straight, we've got like the unified title that has three people wrestling qualifying matches to get into a match at the pay for you, which they're calling a tournament, and Ocada has to wrestle for a shot at his own belt.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then we also have the tag team titles where four teams are wrestling.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But only three of them have to qualify and the champs actually get

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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, and except, and then one's going to be a ladder match, but then the other one is the three way.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So if there's no DQ.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, except except except it's under intertash or the whatever.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Continental rules.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yep.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So maybe there is a DQ who knows we won't know uncertain and Tony won't answer the question and then after the paper.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, we're back.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We'll be back to the continental title.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Next time.

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[SPEAKER_01]: like I can't be too hard.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I can't be too hard on the idea that he just wants to throw stuff that he thinks his audience is going to lean into that as a little bit of anti what WWE is going to do, but I see lots of the same.

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[SPEAKER_01]: types of booking to get to matches that you see in WWE, that the AEW audience actively hates, but because it happens in AEW and Tony's nice and cuddly, it's fine.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Look, that is what fandom is all about, right, biases, you know, subjectiveness out the window when it comes to fandom.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And so I don't even, I don't, I don't really care about that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But when, you know, when you when you come up with two shows against each other and you kind of

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think the WWE show has been built up.

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[SPEAKER_01]: like five times as well as this all out show and my like I have a theory about it you pay per views like I think Tony should create six week windows minimum because to me it feels like the ones that are spaced out a little bit better that audience gives them a little bit of time to anticipate pay per views a little bit more like the of course all in

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[SPEAKER_01]: But this one, it's only been like three weeks or something four weeks, but at the time this week, it happens.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It'll be fun.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think people are even ready to see another AEW show based on the stories that were happening on television, which is why everything seems so thrown together at the last minute.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And, um,

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[SPEAKER_01]: it's just like it's too much and it's too fast and it's such a blur but this this always goes back to my point about AEW shows is if the paper views are good the fans don't even really care how you got to the matches they just remember the matches.

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[SPEAKER_01]: which is the flip side of WWE because you definitely remember the stories stronger in WWE if they're good and the matches are little bumps in the road to kind of complete the story.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So it's like a completely different strategy and I was talking to Big Dave on Saturday night and this was after collision.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I don't watch collision.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think you watch collision.

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[SPEAKER_01]: why they're needed to be the continental or the united titles story of because I was like how does Michael Oak who qualify to be in a qualifier like he's not even on their television know how you know how does Anthony Bowen who his own colleague says is a failure as a solo wrestler how does he qualify for a qualifier like none of that stuff and that these more

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[SPEAKER_01]: And, you know, he or Dorada, I'm guessing Beast Mortos is going to win.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But like, why do we have that?

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[SPEAKER_01]: And Dave said that it could just be a reaction to the narrative that AEW didn't tell stories.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And so now everything is some sort of cock and maybe story.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And so yeah, that's a, you know, that's a booker's rhythm thing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like Tony, I'm sure will learn from scenarios and act in a different way.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But to me, this is only me.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not speaking for anybody else.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The build to this show has been.

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[SPEAKER_01]: average at best.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I think that is why to answer my own question, that is why I'm I'm more interested in the WWE show.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Also, the thing about the WWE show for me and this is not a lot of people who are like me.

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[SPEAKER_01]: want to see the presentation on the ESPN being their first show.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I want to see how ESPN feels about this relationship, how much they're going to push them, how much they're going to make this thing feel special.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Now WWE produces their own stuff.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So this says ESPN will have nothing to do with the production, but they will have to do

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[SPEAKER_01]: with the pre and post game coverage and how big they think this is to their audience.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They are going to get lost in the sea of just college football and the NFL is the big thing right now.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And baseball is getting into the playoffs and WMBA playoffs are happening.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So it's not like WWE is coming on to this network while there's nothing else going on.

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[SPEAKER_01]: There's a ton going on.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So how does ESPN allow WWE to stand out?

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[SPEAKER_01]: from the mix that is what I mentioned watching so if I had sort of the gun to the head thing, I would watch the WWE show and not think twice about it for those reasons, but you know, I'll watch both.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You'll watch both and I'm sure we'll probably think, you know, match from match the AW show will probably be a little bit better.

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[SPEAKER_01]: stories and hype and moments will probably be the WWE show, but at the same time there's going to be things that I'm super frustrated in the WWE show, like how long are we going to wait between matches?

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[SPEAKER_01]: What are going to be some of the rhythms of these matches, same with the WWE show?

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[SPEAKER_01]: How many of the same spots am I going to see throughout all of these 20 matches?

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[SPEAKER_01]: and, you know, but they won't have the time thing, but how long is Tony going to stretch out this show to where it doesn't need to be stretched out just so he can compete?

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[SPEAKER_01]: They're going to be things that I'm frustrated with on both shows.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Already knowing going in, but I think I would just for curiosity's sake choose the WWE show.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I wanted to say something about what you were talking about with stories and NAW.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And this is what frustrated me is that they were telling stories to get to certain matches.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, I thought that they've been building tech love really well.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And we talked about this last week.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And it was even the last two shows they've done angles to make you want to see tech love versus Tony one on one.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And yet the match are giving you is a four way.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And the reason being,

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[SPEAKER_00]: So they're going to put Chris that lander and and Jamie Hater on that match.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And one of them will probably take the pin and then they'll do Tecla and Tony later or Tecla is just going to move on to something else.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then with the box and brodito the box won this match that both teams were in last week on Dynamite everyone assumed okay we're just going to do bucks against brodito for the titles that would have made total sense that would have been a good story.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And instead they come up with this.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Cock'mamie for way ladder match to use my word which I mean and the stupid thing about that is they'd like they blew pass this so fast like I didn't even like I heard that There's gonna be a four-way ladder match.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I didn't realize they were doing qualifying matches to get into it Mm-hmm someone brought it up at our discord It was so fast it was it's got a little bit and then they did a video package where being this team this team this team that team this it was two minutes with eight teams

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[SPEAKER_00]: So, you know, like, that's a great kip, say, be in luchusaurus team.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yep, got it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, I'm sure they talked about it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I remember juice the same team, by the way, that luchusaurus was actively working against when they wrestled.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, Christian and and yeah, and they'll probably be the ones that well, I guess there's no fall.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So, you know, whoever's going to win the belts are going to win the belt, but they won't, maybe they won't even be in the match because I imagine, oh, yeah, they're not going to win.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's going to be a face chat speed, I can't remember.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think the one match that wasn't like a foregone conclusion is like the bang bang gang against Josh Alexander and head to Sarah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: No, exactly the bang bang gang or facing the bucks.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yeah, they're not going to win.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I'll pull it up right here.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Alexander, I had to have narrower the ones that I think are going to be the 14th.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I have notes from from observer radio when I when I talk.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So it's the bucks against the gun club.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So juice Robinson and Austin gun, the Luchosaurus and Kip Sabian against Jet Speed, and then top flight versus Gost Alexander and Edge Zero, top flight.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, you would get them in because they would add to the craziness of that match, but I kind of worry about Dante Martin.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They're not going to be in the form.

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[SPEAKER_00]: going to be on the center and hit zero.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, you could have, uh, you could do something to get them in to give them a little bit of a bump.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You definitely need something, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: There.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Now, they're, they're, they're lost cause.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, to remember Scorpio's guy, they brought him back.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He got all that fanfare and then put him in the sky flight team and he's on like collision in backstage segments.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They're not even wrestling anymore.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I, I feel bad for those guys, but their dice cast.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then you had, I was watching, they had that segment on dynamite where the bucks were in catering and they had all these people at these, you know, high school lunch tables.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm like, I'm counting all the, all the wrestlers that are being paid six figure contracts to sit there and eat food, not wrestle.

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[SPEAKER_01]: What about Moxley just putting his feet on the table and everyone's screwing?

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[SPEAKER_00]: That was funny.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But those are all production people.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The actual rest is just sat there in eight their food and they didn't.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think they didn't want Tony to notice that they're still getting paychecks.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's funny you mentioned that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I heard a story of like the early days of AEDA.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I have no idea if this is true.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But the idea was like,

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[SPEAKER_00]: Ross sauce like Jim Ross saw some of the people who were actually like on the payroll and was like just like Who are these guys like I have a I have I have spreadsheet somewhere and it's got like the my you know Because minimum salary for all lead is like six figures so they have like over 200 people under contract like there There's some names that you would be shot Anthony a go-go is still

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[SPEAKER_00]: He still shows up in our way every week.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's in Shane Taylor's corner doing nothing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Big Dave.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't remember if it was Friday or Saturday like this whole weekend.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It was a blood for me.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But he had said that he wondered he believes that there's like a PR campaign.

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[SPEAKER_01]: to kind of put over Tony Khan, the boss.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And it wasn't really only about Tony, but just like raise the promotion, because they get discs so often by the other side.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And so I was like, I need to start paying attention to that, because they've been doing a lot of media for this weekend.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then I saw this morning, Tony Storm just put an over Tony Khan like,

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[SPEAKER_01]: He, you know, just in an incredible way.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So, good for them, man.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They need to they need to have that good PR.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Hey, I would do that to if I were there like he pays well and nice dude and I mean Tony storm of all people, like if anyone's going to put him over, it's going to be her.

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[SPEAKER_00]: She used the word obsessed, which is funny.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yeah, because whenever he upsets with hammer, he's obsessive.

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[SPEAKER_01]: No, she's saying that he's obsessed with AEW and with wrestling.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, yeah, yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Which is great for your boss.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You want him to be that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And it just reminds me of like my early days in tech.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I was in an interview one time.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And CEO, who actually is now a friend of mine, he was a very early CEO.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And you know, the, so why am I interviewing, I'm in, you know, looking for a support customer support job and why am I interviewing with CEO.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's how we did it back then.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And so he looks at me.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He goes, are you obsessed.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And like he didn't say what about he just at open ended question are you obsessed and I had to do like a two Mississippi and just thinking like what's the strategy for this question like he of course you have to say yes, but how do you say yes, how do you show obsession in in your answer.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So it's just funny like you don't you couldn't get away with doing that today.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's not really good question, but just remember how people in NXT is to talk about triple age.

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[SPEAKER_00]: like back in the day, like in the mid-2010s.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, I mean good for them.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, I'm glad everybody's happy.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm glad a lot of people are making money.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like they'll get me wrong.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm a fan of companies.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And even if people,

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[SPEAKER_01]: Who are AEW fans think that when you're critical of it that you wish their downfall 100% the opposite I want them to be the best in biggest company that could possibly be like that is what my hopeful that that is how hopeful I am and

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[SPEAKER_01]: maybe dealing with with their hardcore fans will be even more difficult.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But at the same time, like that's what's best for wrestling is for AEW to be the biggest in the best.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So even in being critical, like a lot of the show was not for me.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I am not, I was never an ECW guy.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So when I see all this stuff that really excites, you know, the ECW fan, or I remember when I was 15, and I was watching ECW, well, that was never me.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, that stuff does not really,

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[SPEAKER_01]: it doesn't get me excited to see everyone's smart stuff Jerry Lynn and you're like I'm like oh Mr. Mr. JL yeah my body's my body's like oh the WF I have a way champion.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay let's move on that is the big show this weekend and we're figuring out what we're going to do as a network to cover both.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So depending on when you watch stuff, you can let me know if you're, yeah, I'll try to get on on some of it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'll be watching them both, you know, the same day.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So

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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, let's move on to WWE officially announced that they are going to have WrestleMania 2027 is going to be in Saudi Arabia.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Now we knew this was coming.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They cannot in their business sense, in their business practices, in their DNA, they cannot turn down the kind of money that they are being offered to have a WrestleMania being Saudi Arabia.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So that was a

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[SPEAKER_01]: very like no brainer like news like I wasn't surprised in the least though I could see why some people were very frustrated.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I could see why some people like it's every time WWE works at Saudi Arabia.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It just brings up that story again and again and again and my question to you is we're still year and a half out by 2027

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[SPEAKER_01]: are we, and I'm using the collective, we not us necessarily, are we as wrestling fans going to be even more sports to wash than we are today, and is it going to be less of a story in 2027, then it is right now when they just rip the band-aid off?

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I think, yeah, although I do think that the people that are making noise about it now are still going to be making just as much if not more noise about it in 2027.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But the further we get away from, you know, the murder of the reporter and just, you know, the fact that they're taking this money to begin with and, you know, and all the sports are doing it, you know, you got golf, you got basketball, you got Premier League soccer, auto racing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: everybody boxing you know all the big boxing matches well not all but most the big boxing matches are over there or sponsored by them like we just had one this weekend right that was you know even though it was Mexican independence day wasn't sponsored by reouts season like so you know it's

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[SPEAKER_00]: the the whole it's to the point now where you don't even really even realize it like you see these logos and you're like oh you kind of feel itky but then you just laugh I'm gonna watch I'm gonna watch you know so I think that the that aspect of it is never gonna go away and as we get further further away for most people it's gonna be less and less of an issue but I do think that the fact that

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[SPEAKER_00]: quote unquote taking WrestleMania that is to me that's the more interesting talking point because I'm seeing and hearing a lot of people complaining but when I really look at the people that are complaining it's the same people that complain about everything with WWE and when I look at the actual people that go to shows and watch shows I don't know if it's as big a deal for them as you know the people that are paying this money for these tickets the

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[SPEAKER_00]: Whereas the people that maybe go to many weekends, they can see the indie shows, those are the people that are upset.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The wrestlers, the small, that's kind of a smaller number.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Very small number, but they make a lot of noise.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, like that's that's what I'm seeing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then even the companies, you know, let's like, oh, WWE, like, we'll look up with their doing these poor companies.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They have no obligation to GCW or defy or, you know, God bless those companies, you know, they put on great shows.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And it's a lot of fun to go to many a weekend and see 11 shows in three days.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But it's not WWE's obligation to do that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And in fact, for a while, they were actively trying to not let them do that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then finally, the last few years, they just screw it, you know, just have your shows, we don't care.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, but now it's like, okay, now we're going to sell you rabies and you're not coming.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So if they want to do that, they can do it on summer's time weekend or a rumble weekend or just make their own weekend.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But, um, yeah, so, but but in terms of the actual sports washing, yeah, I guess to get back to your original question, I do think the more time passes the less.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Then this is by design the less we think about it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I feel a little, I feel bad about that, but just reality.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So the other part of this is, do you think?

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[SPEAKER_01]: that Tony Khan should try and create something that would benefit what you're just talking about, which is that traveling, wrestling fan, it could get them some good PR.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The anti, you know, sports washing, that's that's that you don't need to because, you know, AEW is not going to to do business with them and thus they're going to cater to these American fans who are missing

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[SPEAKER_01]: I thought it was an interesting idea, and I talked to Big Dave about this as well.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's going to have to be something that you really, really think about for sure, because what you don't want is you don't want those companies going like, you know, we have this small relationship with WWE and if we create this relation with AEW does WWE flip on us and thus maybe we don't do this AEW thing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I think that would be the flip side.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I did, but I did think it was an interesting idea.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So you're talking head to head.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Uh, I don't know if had to, I mean, that would be the biggest bang for the buck, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Because I mean, they already have all in, which is their WrestleMania.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So you could, the, and it did, I mean, this is could be either Tony reaching out to these companies and saying, Hey, if you want to have your maniac weekend, we can call it all in weekend and you can come.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We'll advertise your shows on our shows and you can, you can use our

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[SPEAKER_00]: But then, like you say, you know, a GCW, for instance, clearly is working with WWE.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, they have people go to the blood sports shows and even some of the other shows natties on these shows all the time.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Karen Cross just showed up.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know if he's under contract with WWE or not.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I suspect he is.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He was just on their homecoming show.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Matt Cardona is with TNA and them, and so they got a relationship there, so

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you're taking a chance of destroying that relationship, but then again, you know, the WWE Relationships are pretty one sided anyways, so maybe there's no real always that idea that you have to be in good standing with them because what if they what if they call you know what if

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[SPEAKER_01]: They, they, for that one time, you know, they need something.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And if we don't cater to them and kiss their ass, then they're not going to call us.

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[SPEAKER_01]: This is our possible opportunity.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like there's always that I see it, you know, you would think from from this local perspective, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like.

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[SPEAKER_01]: In the Bay Area, we don't, I don't really go to any of the indie shows anymore because APW, which is Marcus Max company, they don't run anymore, they haven't run really.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But I still see, like, you know, Marcus Max directly, if WWE is in town and they need somebody to do something, they'll call him up and go, hey, we need somebody to do something with Baron Corbin.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That was the last one that I can think of.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, like a beer spilled on his head as a person in the crowd for Baron Corbin.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And he's like, he's game because A, he likes when he gets to do stuff with WWE, but B, like it's it's a great perk for him as a local wrestling promoter that he's he's in their cell phone.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He's in their contacts.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And so I completely get it from that perspective.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And so

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[SPEAKER_01]: was kind of bigger than they are now than maybe you don't have to worry about it as much, but I think they're still quite a bit smaller than WWE, especially in the minds of people who are in the business.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But then maybe there are some companies that would not just do anything with WWE.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know if those people exist.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, defy is probably one of them.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't see them.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They don't really work with WWE and they definitely work with AWS.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There's probably a few others.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So maybe you could find those companies who you don't have to be worried about.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: and you do your own little thing and you run it in a, you know, you do a start with all of her and all of her is a pretty big one, Sammy Calant's company and him and mocks a good friend.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, so maybe that might be the move.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And, and yeah, but I just, it's not going to be the same, but I mean, for those fans, it'll be great.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So the key is, can you get, can you recreate what you had this year at all in next year?

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[SPEAKER_00]: And that's a big question because I mean, well, they're going to be in UK for all in.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So you can't do it there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You'd have to have a second like all in-type show.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But maybe it's all out, maybe it's a couple or nothing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, that's what I'm saying.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You could create something around WrestleMania week and if you wanted.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like maybe even go in the day before.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, head or even those same week, I think that's going to be tough.

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[SPEAKER_00]: because your media coverage is going to be all WWE that week, but who's going to cover them?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Everybody other than the the wrestling media.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I can't remember.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, nothing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: No, WWE.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, like everybody.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's WrestleMania.

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[SPEAKER_01]: ESPN will go.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They'll have somebody there.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But who's going to go to Saudi Arabia?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Although, be some people that go.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I mean, I know the box, I know the top boxing people go, but he goes now like I don't really pay attention to that, but some people go don't it like like real reporters, well, no, not real reporters, but I don't think anybody goes to the to the Saudi Arabia if they don't go to a W shows either so.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, yeah, you'd have to you'd have to do a PR blitz and really catered.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's what I mean.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like I think like all the attentions can be on WWE just because it's WrestleMania.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, you're going to get like your yeah, your your Denise's and your Sean Ross out Denise already said.

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[SPEAKER_00]: No, she's not going to be.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And she would go to a W obviously.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And Sean Ross, Apple, go to AWS and Michael Johnson and you know, all the big names.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Dave is going to stay home, you know, Brian's going to talk about going and then end up staying home.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, Brian will, well, this is the other thing that I talked to Dave about.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, because we were talking about how Dana White and in this TKO and just should do with boxing reporters and the one Lance Pugmeyer who got turned down for his credential and he's like a historical like boxing guy and I was saying well.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Brian and I got turned down for WrestleMania credentials, like, and I'm not putting myself on that level, but Brian is kind of on that level in wrestling.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, I'm kind of a standby, but for Brian to get turned down,

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[SPEAKER_01]: like the only F4W are wrestling observer representative to get turned down to go to that show.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's pretty ridiculous, too.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He paid, yeah, he paid like 200 bucks for his ticket.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So, and maybe that's maybe they knew that he would just go anyways, so they'd

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, probably, yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, or, well, he had said, like he'll go if he can get a, you know, he wanted to go with people and you know, so if he could get tickets and that's kind of the way I am to see, but I would be, I would be the exact opposite of that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, and let's say, like, the reason why I wanted to go to WrestleMania wasn't to be in the press box wasn't to cover the show.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I would have talked about the experience.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I wanted to see the how that whole thing worked.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I wanted to see the PR engine of how the press and stuff worked with WWE because that's the only reason I was even interested.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I even said, I would have probably found a way to leave before the main event started so I wouldn't get locked out of, you know, getting out of there because the times was they did one to our not last year, but the year before where they just locked people in the press box who were not allowed to go to the press conference.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So, like

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[SPEAKER_01]: I, you know, but as a standing member of the media, if I was not, I'm not saying that I am necessarily, but if I was, and I got turned down for press credential, I would not have paid my own way to go in, I would have said, OK, I'm not going to give them that level of coverage because I didn't get a credential.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I guess for Brian, he kind of has to.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yeah, well, no, wrestling's different.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He wants to watch the show.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He, this is also his livelihood.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's not hanging out with your friends and watch the show.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, for sure.

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[SPEAKER_00]: For sure.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, that, that sort of thing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So he's going with a group of people.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like I wouldn't sit in the stands by myself and watch it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But I would, I would, I would, why I see the building.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That was my main reason for wanting to go.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, last thing, and we're going to get at where Yeah, um, Andre was released from WWE sent home, which is not something that we see that much now in these days.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We're not going to speculate on what happened because I don't think there's enough information.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I've heard some rumors.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think the rumors don't pass the sniff test for me.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm hopeful that it's something not important at all.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But the question is for you,

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[SPEAKER_01]: Does AEW take him back if he wants to work for AEW?

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think so, yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, so he had some enemies, I would say I guess in AEW, maybe not the worst enemies to have, necessarily.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And he definitely chose WWE over AEW when his contract came up, just kind of like what we were talking about

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[SPEAKER_01]: indie promoters like the second WWE says, hey, we want you back.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He was someone who was like, okay, okay, I'm coming back.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Also, he had he he wanted to work on his marriage.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm sure that was part of the yeah, the decision.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Tony Conne has all the leverage right now in this, yeah, oh yeah, with Andre.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, I think like the key is is that he did business on the way out and he left on good terms from what everyone can gather.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So in that sense, he left the door open for a return and

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, so I think Tony like in a, when you're in a wrestling war and Mexico is a very important market for both companies and on draw days a big deal down there and especially in CMLL who AW works with on draw days got a long history there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: L.I.J.

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[SPEAKER_00]: was formed there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, they weren't L.I.J.

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[SPEAKER_00]: they were L.I.

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[SPEAKER_00]: you know, losing their novelist.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I do think that that he, he will and he should

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[SPEAKER_00]: But like you said, he does have the leverage.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So he doesn't have to pay a premium for it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think if so one of the rumors and we're not even it's just out there.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not saying this is a reason why he was fired.

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[SPEAKER_01]: This is what is out there, which is that he didn't want to work for AAA because he's got some previous beef with AAA.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Now, if that was the case for the reason for him being sent home.

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[SPEAKER_01]: This is why it doesn't pass a sniff test for me, because if they are actively competing against CMLL and 4 CMLL eyeballs and 4 CMLL wrestlers, why would you hand-deliver them?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Someone that they can put into the main event immediately.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Exactly.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so that's why that's why I don't know that and and I'm not really that big.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's I don't know whatever he stood there on when they made that announcement.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He was front and center of that group of Mexican wrestlers that were, you know, like celebrating the purchase of a of AAA so I mean clearly he was doing what he was told, but at that time you have to think that they had plans for him with AAA, but I don't think he's made an appearance with them.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He did have the tag team with Phoenix and I thought it was funny that Phoenix was on really like that team by the way Yeah, and Phoenix was on SmackDown and Penta was on was on the the the Triple H show, so you know, it's like you think yeah That might have been it like, you know, they maybe they wanted him and and on draw day like again I'm speculating maybe they wanted Phoenix and on draw day to do something on that triple H show and maybe he said no like

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[SPEAKER_00]: they did have that four-way tag team match, right, you know, that kind of scene, some of the teams didn't really fit.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So, you know, Phoenix on a draw day probably would have been a good addition to that match.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It was a great match, don't get me wrong, but I think it was, yeah, it was a four-way.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think there was a couple different multi-people matches on that show, but yeah, so it, you know, if he's happy, he's happy, I forward you a tweet and he seems like he's happy that he left.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I saw he posted on Instagram, I guess, that, you know, thank you WWE or yeah, that's the one I said.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, we will see what happens.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm probably a bigger fan than most of on draw day because of that NXT run and because of AAA.

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[SPEAKER_01]: a triple H. This was when I was really like into triple H as a booker because like okay, he's thinking out of the box here.

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[SPEAKER_01]: This is something that Vince McMahon would not do.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He would do it with Alberto, but Alberto's also like six foot three or whatever, not five nine.

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[SPEAKER_01]: like on draw day.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So this is Triple H thinking out of the box.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I really liked this.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I thought he was a great performer.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I thought he had such stage presence that the English wasn't quite as good and it's been it's gotten better since then, but still he was one of the top performers and we're working for the character though.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, that sort of character and then even in a W like, you know, I'm trying to buy Darby like that's memorable.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I want them to go back to that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I forgot about that until you just said that all right.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's going to be it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We will do something next Monday hopefully just Saturday's going to be a blur.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Then football Sunday.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I should be good by Monday.

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[SPEAKER_01]: What we'll talk about the shows and then we'll talk about any of the news coming out of those shows.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then after like once this weekend is over, what is the next big thing for

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[SPEAKER_01]: Is that an NXT show?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, good.

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[SPEAKER_00]: What about, um, and then like a W's got a show in a month, October 18.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So that's the Dynastie show.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Dynastie, yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's the Dynastie or the Dynastie.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And WWE would be survivors series or is there something before survivor series?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I thought they had a show on the Australia show.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The crown jewel.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So, yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, it doesn't stop.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The wheel keeps spinning.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Do you, when is the next head to head, do you think?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Gosh, I don't know.

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[SPEAKER_01]: WWE couldn't get the scene a show to be head to know.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, it's not going to be that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I, I may be revolution.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You think they'll program something to go head to head.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, not a, not a main roster show, maybe, but we'll see.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, like it's, we tough.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe Saturn is main event, obviously, probably, you know, like,

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[SPEAKER_01]: The peak it's it's now it's a peacock show to peacock PLE and that's how I would that's how I would categorize these shows if I was W to be you know I will say yeah no I would say the WWE Saturday night main events.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh yeah yeah yeah yeah I would say yeah they are not Saturday night main events as much as you thought they are now.

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[SPEAKER_00]: PLEs like you don't have to worry about commercials and all that yeah yeah yeah just to PLEs and even for the NXT ones like if you're going to go ahead to head with a W.

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[SPEAKER_00]: throw some main roster people in.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think I think they need to start doing that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: All right.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's it from here.

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[SPEAKER_01]: For Paul.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I end WG.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We will see you when we see you piece out.