Aaron Wolf vs. Fale: New Japan Cup Night 1 & 2 Review (ft. Chris Samsa) | Speaking of Strong Style

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[SPEAKER_02]: No, Stephen Conway that's leaked, but we got someone with the alternate issues of C.S.

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[SPEAKER_02]: dead with Chris Samsa.

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[SPEAKER_02]: He's here to talk about fantastic.

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[SPEAKER_02]: A mania.

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[SPEAKER_02]: He's talked here to talk about new beginning in the USA.

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[SPEAKER_02]: He's also here to talk about the Newt Japan Cup and the contest that he's running from a site for the pro wrestlers.

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[SPEAKER_02]: We got to talk about all of this and more.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Maybe a little Aaron Wolf.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Maybe a little Yoda Fuji.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Maybe a little everything.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Who knows?

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[SPEAKER_02]: Maybe even a

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[SPEAKER_02]: But this is Speaky Strongstow and we'll talk about it all.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Welcome to Speaky Strongstow.

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[SPEAKER_02]: We'll talk about all things in each fan pro wrestling.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm Jeremy Five Stone.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I'll be in the driver's seat this week instead of Stephen Conway, who's in part of the known.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And as I mentioned earlier, this is Chris Samson.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It was for the pro wrestling Chris.

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[SPEAKER_02]: How are you today?

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm good.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Thanks for having me.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's a gloomy Thursday afternoon here in Chicago land, but it is not it's not cold.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So we're doing okay.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We're getting there.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We're in hoodie weather.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We're in hoodie weather.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We're not in jacket weather.

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[SPEAKER_02]: San Jose, it's bright, but it's cold.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But like how long you know what I mean?

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[SPEAKER_02]: Like now when you know that, you know, most people in the Midwest just mock us for that, that's, that's where we're.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think you get you get some actual cold up in your area of California.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We're not talking to you.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I've spent plenty of time in San Francisco.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So like I know I know that cold and it's actually cold.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like I don't know.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I I honor that cold.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It's not a little when I wear my shorts.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I got it's not Chicago cold like we all know that and, um, but we Chicago is we like to be kind about it and and say we understand we're Midwestern folk, you know, we're like, you know, we get it, like, yeah, it's cold for you about it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, we try to be and most of the days.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I absolutely play.

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[SPEAKER_02]: uh we have a lot of stuff to talk about so many stuff that we didn't even get to able to watch all of it uh but we are going to cover all that we're going to talk about fantasticomania first uh but

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[SPEAKER_02]: life.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't remember the last time you came on the show.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I was walking outside a few minutes ago and I'm like, when was the last time Chris was on the show?

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[SPEAKER_02]: And to me that's a problem because I should be able to remember and it shouldn't have been the long.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So I'm glad you're back.

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[SPEAKER_02]: What are you up to?

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[SPEAKER_02]: What's going on in Chris Sam's land?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Did we, did we connect for rest looking to this year?

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[SPEAKER_01]: I feel like I was pretty quiet for rest looking to this year.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Y'all, everyone went to Japan this year.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Everyone, all my friends.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I stayed in Chicago land.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, so yeah, I missed out on some chats this year.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Life's good, man.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We're doing all right.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's all we can do.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Gotta get out, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: I've got a child.

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[SPEAKER_01]: She's pushing too.

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[SPEAKER_01]: She'll be too at the end of the month.

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[SPEAKER_01]: She's the best thing that's ever happened to me.

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[SPEAKER_01]: She's she's amazing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We don't let her watch wrestling yet.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We, you know, she's starting to understand things and, but, but the concept of fake fighting is probably not something she's going to understand just yet.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So we don't, we don't go that route.

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[SPEAKER_01]: She was my, she was my, my late night, my late night, New Japan buddy for a little while there, but she has opinions about what's on the TV now.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So yeah, we don't control the remote doesn't she.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, to some extent, to some extent, we don't do a lot of TV, but she has a healthy relationship with television and with screens.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think we're doing really well in that aspect of parenting, and it's not easy, but yeah, she's picked some good stuff, and yeah, she's the best, but yeah, I've got, I'm right now, I'm in my little, my little nook of the house where I'm surrounded by

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[SPEAKER_01]: musical instruments and amplifiers and pianos and guitars and my screen in front of me is the the delivery method for new Japan for a wrestling and sport of pro wrestling and the database that runs behind scenes that helps new Japan and helps the people get the fun stats and info.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, this is my little area of the world and I'm happy with my eight by eight that I

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm able to film it now.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's good.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's good.

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[SPEAKER_01]: There's a section on behind me.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's, you know, it's good.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We're doing it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We're doing it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We're doing it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We're doing it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We're doing it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We're doing it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We're doing it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We're doing it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: We're doing it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: We're doing it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: We're doing it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: We're doing it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: We're doing it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: We're doing it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: We're doing it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: We're doing it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: We're doing it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: We're doing it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: We're doing it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: We're doing it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: We're doing it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And where you find yourself now, like with the kid, how to change the habit, how you're still watching it, how you're automating all the things that really do have to take priority for over this silly habit of arts.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I think that's not why.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think about that a lot.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, so like my thing with wrestling is like I decided to get back into wrestling.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like I had pretty much completely vacated the pro wrestling world and then like as an adult.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I think this is a really important lesson to share with people is like it's important to

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[SPEAKER_01]: Allow yourself to reconnect with things that you enjoyed as a child as an adult and that you gave up because you felt like you weren't supposed to like them anymore, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Because like that's the thing that happens through maybe your late teens and in your 20s, you're like, I'm not, I'm not supposed to like, progress more.

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[SPEAKER_01]: you know, or like, I'm not supposed to be committed to making music anymore or whatever it is, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, and those are two things that I've, you know, in various ways like had had a band and for a little while and then came back to and they were like, they really truly are just like these things I enjoy.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And when you come to terms with the fact that you can just, you can enjoy whatever you want to enjoy as an adult, like that's okay.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And once you come in terms of that being okay and you don't have to like play it cool and you can just allow yourself to do that Life's a lot better and I think I think culturally that's happening a lot more like super hero movies and Nerd culture and and there's so much depressing stuff that yeah that we have no control over the people and nothing but Going to safe happy places that right I'm comfort

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[SPEAKER_01]: So, you know, but I'm a person that just like dives in head first when I'm like, I'm into this thing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm like holy cow.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm all the way in and that's how I ended up here ultimately right like that's how I ended up doing, you know, like

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[SPEAKER_01]: Comparing.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Just a dog or a broadcast.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean, like you know, doing all this stuff.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's like I found a cool lane.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I was like, this is neat.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I can do this and I was like, no, I'm going to do this.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then I'm just like, I'm going to just keep doing it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And now it's just like a thing I do.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I do routine.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You've got your processes.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, probably far easier to do it now now than 100%.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Like the database of information.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so like that's the thing like in 2019 when I started doing this, I'm doing like manual data entry back years and years and years and finding different ways to copy and paste things from various databases that already existed and now I

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[SPEAKER_01]: have my own database, both I have two versions of it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I have one that's on Excel and it's offline that I keep up to date and I have one that's online that automatically updates itself, which is what I used to do the daily reports or the show reports and I had a

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[SPEAKER_01]: a good friend Jeremy Sexton who helps with the G1 contest every year, he built that database for me and also like customized it so I can run those reports with relatively ease.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So, which gives me more time to dig in on the nuances, like any notes that you ever see written on those documents that I put in the discords or put online, like those are things that I found and typed.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like actually typed them in, but like the tables themselves are very automated, which is wonderful.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So there are definitely shows that I don't post, but I send stuff along to Chris and Walker that are just stats, like just the tables and those take me 10 minutes and it's fantastic.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm looking at, you know, the anniversary show that is tomorrow morning.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And that's what I've got right now.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And if that's what I end up sending, because I run out of time, because I'm here talking to you, because I would rather do this than that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's okay.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's okay.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's okay with everyone, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like it's, you know, it's, I mean, a peaceful place with my spot in the New Japan universe and in the pro wrestling universe.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And, you know, part of that is the perspective

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[SPEAKER_01]: And spending as much time with her as I can and and you know, no one that this is, it's sort of just a, it's a lane in my life that I really enjoy.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So, but yeah, that's, that's got a balance in your life, Chris.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm feeling balanced, I am.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm feeling, I'm, and you know what, and on that, and I can even bring us back to the core topic, I didn't watch a minute of fantastic Romania, and I'm okay, there are many years where I've probably done the same thing, and I just, I've probably told someone on a podcast, like, just, I'm gonna act like I'm not there.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like I don't want anyone to know, but I didn't watch, you know?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, because I'm supposed to be this guy, that's like super in tune.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I didn't, and I'm okay, and I'm like, okay, I don't mean this to be like the technology because it's CMLL, but fantastic ammonia is essentially the chip before the meal at a restaurant, before like the rest of the, yeah.

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[SPEAKER_02]: rest of, like, the year.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Like, you're just kind of getting to taste stuff.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You're taking it all in, you're just kind of getting your appetite ready.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yes.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It's not constant question.

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[SPEAKER_02]: There's some good stuff in the MLL life that we touched on and, and things.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But the greater capestry of New Japan is heartly affected by what goes on in fact, to come in yet.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And you're not into it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And if you don't love, we truly break.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I love, we truly break.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I do.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I like, I just like it.

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[UNKNOWN]: It's

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[SPEAKER_02]: It's the knife change of pace for me.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I can I can do it all day like I talked about last week.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I'll go to a distracted and stuff going on.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So I can actually kind of think both fantastic opinion because I didn't, I didn't, I didn't not to walk in.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You know what I mean?

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_02]: watching and it was in, it was out.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I could tell you that like, so Borano and, and, and, so Borano Jr. and Mystico, was exactly as good of a match that you thought it was going to be, you know, the, the of Frano and at Wendy's Jr. title change.

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[SPEAKER_02]: They came out of nowhere.

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[SPEAKER_02]: worth your time.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But if you don't watch it, like your life isn't going to change.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It's fine.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Everything's fine.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I enjoy, I wish I had, if I had more time for one more pro wrestling space, it would be CMLL.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I would watch a lot more CMLL.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And it is, it's the promotion that if someone is really high on something or recommend something heavily, also in fantastic media, I go back and find it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And you know, I can, I can do that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm allowed to do that too.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, I try to keep up with US wrestling because, yeah, I'm not watching raw, but I try to just keep up on what's going on US wrestling because I live here and I, you know, I like to go to Be good.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Call to control to your interest to make sure that you're attached to it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, yeah, and, and I think, you know, specifically, of course, AWS, they, I think they do good stuff.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So like, they're, that's fun.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And obviously, there's, there's an intermingling that happens between a, every new Japan, and we have to, I have to keep up with that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But, um, yeah, I mean, and, and, but like I said, like, I'm, I'm okay that I didn't watch Francesca Mania.

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[SPEAKER_01]: If I happen to be awake and looking for something to watch, I certainly would have flipped it on when there was a card, but you know, life is life.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Sometimes it's got to skip stuff.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I never skip a new Japan, like a proper new Japan show.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I never just don't watch stuff.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And that's sort of my commitment to this community that I want to be an informed person.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I want to have my own opinions and stuff.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't feel like fantastic.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Comania helps not put the parents on your record because yeah, I don't think it helps me inform anything, but I'd love that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's a tour that exists and not because it gives me the potential of a break.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But because in how much are we going to go on the dude that calls you a hack because you didn't watch fantastic.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Amania on it all have you know what I mean?

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[SPEAKER_02]: Like yeah, like I'm a guy.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'll tell you what, there are certain discord that I could not say this in.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, I just could.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And it would, it would, it would blow people's minds.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm not, I don't, I don't, I don't need to speak to which ones they are.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And it's a very lifestyle and culture that come to progress.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Right?

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[SPEAKER_02]: You have people that eat, sleep, breathe, like the most important thing in

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[SPEAKER_02]: is what goes on in pro wrestling.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And there were times in my life where I always felt like I would work and I would do all this thing.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But I was always trying to make sure I was like up on the latest wrestling news and just kind of locked in.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And it didn't need anything.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Like the thing that got me to like doing a podcast being informed had nothing to do.

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[SPEAKER_02]: with making sure that I was the loudest, most abrasive person in, like, the fear making sure that my opinion was known.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It was cultivating relationship with having conversations with people in which we could not not necessarily agree, but we would, like, talk it out in a good way of like, well, if he's right, I wouldn't actually be mad about it because it made a whole lot of sense.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And

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[SPEAKER_02]: I choose to participate in a discourse like that.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And I just removed myself from them completely.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Like I have like a side page of maybe like 20 different discourse with pro wrestling, adjacent thing.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I go to like three or four of them.

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[SPEAKER_02]: There are other ones that I'll just go in and I'll just kind of read the room and just kind of see what they're talking about.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Maybe just to like get an understanding of what other

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[SPEAKER_02]: And all I'll just be like, OK, no, I'm not.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm not.

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[SPEAKER_02]: If the aim Simpson would fart in the burlesce, fart or yeah, and he walked in and he came off the hat and he turned around and he sees a major and ground again and grabs his hat and walks right out.

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[SPEAKER_02]: That's essentially my approach to most of the wrestling discourse.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And if not to say that those conversations

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[SPEAKER_02]: not valuable to them, but they don't offer anything to me, and I don't want to rain on their parade.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I love that the discord are sort of like the forums, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: From, I mean, when I started, I mean, when I first watched wrestling, it was the forums, and you had to find your forum that you

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[SPEAKER_01]: Discords are very similar in that way, and there's obviously still the board, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: We all call it the board, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: The board still exists, too.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And that's, it's hard to go there.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's hard to go to the board, but you got to read the board.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And sometimes you got to search your own name on the board and just see if anyone's mentioned in the work that you're doing when you're contacted.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I did actually never thought to do that.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Now I'm horrified.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm a, I'm a, I'm an occasional like drop SAMHSA in the search guy just to see if people are sharing the work that I'm doing, you know, mostly because like most of my work is very neutral.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't, I don't do a lot of opinions unless I'm talking to people on podcasts and even then it's usually pretty tame comparatively.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, so like I like to just see if my, if the work that I'm doing has reach or the types of work that I do, what type of reach it has right the contests or Or the stats and info or if I put it on the website versus when I just put it in the discord stuff like that like I just like to kind of do a little bit of market research about like how do I get this stuff into the people who cares hands and not every wrestling fan cares about the type of work that I do, which is totally fine to

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[SPEAKER_01]: But I like to my, you know, last year my commitment was to meet people where they're at in the New Japan community, so like, and where they happen to be is like five or six really, you know, active New Japan discord.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So to meet them where they're at, I post my stuff there, right, and as opposed to Twitter, because what I was finding is that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: people don't want people don't want to be on Twitter.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They feel like they have to be to keep up with sort of a mono culture conversation around pro wrestling, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I think a lot of people have migrated to blue sky, which is again, another that has turned into a different, um,

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's less of a monoculture.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's more of another kind of silo sort of like a discord.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So yeah, it's not, it's not the promised land, but it's just an alternative.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's a kinder alternative, I think, but you know, Twitter's a cesspool.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So what do you do?

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[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, so that's sort of my approach to professing and what's going on right now.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And, you know, perfectly honest, like I learned a lot from the guys' voices wrestling that stopped tweeting, and their reach has only gotten bigger.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I really, you know, I've stopped prioritizing social media in the broad

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, in the broad way and I started, you know, prioritized like meeting people where they are where they're already talking about New Japan and my reach is the same it's the same as it's ever been and I'm still breaking records on contests and, you know, getting some clicks on some stuff and and honestly like.

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[SPEAKER_01]: seeing those conversations even if I'm not participating in them like it does it opens my eyes to things to look at or people who are also looking at stuff similarly to me and I get to then, you know, ask them if I can include that in my notes and put give them a credit with.

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[SPEAKER_01]: that maybe they get a shout on if if it gets used on the air and stuff like that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I think that that's a really neat lane to be in too.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So, because there's a lot of people that look at wrestling in different ways and look at cool stuff.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And, you know, I think that that's sort of the beauty of this art form that we both love is that like we can, you know, we can all honor that art form in different ways and in the ways that we choose.

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[SPEAKER_01]: some people like to do that by being an edge lord in a discord and some people like to do that by like producing content or opening up conversations and, you know, honestly, both of those are both, they're both valid because they both open up conversation and they keep people talking about this thing that we really enjoy.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I think back to just the way that you would world-build with the various communities.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And I think it gave me a little bit of courage to kind of reach out to, like the we work stiff guys, because like the,

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[SPEAKER_02]: The predisposition in the like this podcast, you know, is that we all have to be competitive with each other, like you have to be like one top podcast and the rest of them can just like go suck an egg, you know, like that kind of thing and.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, it's like, we're 200 episodes in, uh, we were stiff.

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[SPEAKER_02]: They're not like regular.

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[SPEAKER_02]: They come out like every 10, 14 days, just whenever they have an F content.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but they're like six hours long.

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[SPEAKER_02]: No, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You've got, uh, keeping it strong style, which has been around since like 2016 or 2018.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Just amazing, and then you got the Super J cast, which is the one that started it all essentially for like the, the little pure of scope.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And they brought me in, you know, to this podcast meetup in Japan when they weren't there.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And they didn't have to do that.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You know what I mean?

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[SPEAKER_02]: Like they brought me up to their level.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And it was so important to me to match that energy and to make sure that that wasn't a mistake on their part.

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[SPEAKER_02]: That makes them think twice about doing that again in the future for either me or for anybody else.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Like that is a gift.

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[SPEAKER_02]: when you have that kind of access and that kind of reach.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And then I say, hey, man, come along.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Well, Roger, you want you a party here and we all do this and it's like that the energy that I want to match.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And at any point, I could have been like,

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[SPEAKER_02]: a dick and asshole just this guy that's like I'm going to get in front because I'm the most aggressive and I'm just going to kick everyone up to the guy that's like it just never felt right and it just it felt like you could get you could make more friend can allies and create a community better by being the person that you hope treated you that in return you know I mean like I need to change that you want to see and so I have nothing.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But positive thing to say with all the podcasters that I have come across, that includes Jeremy Donovan and Josh Smith, Joel from the SuperJacass, Josh from we were stiff you I've never met you in person, but I did get to meet all this guys and you know, like.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It's one of the best parts to do like this is just that like no best part.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it's the.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It's the conversations and talking to people around across the world that you wouldn't have any other like similar to your commonality to come together.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And then this is the one little thing, this one little promotion in your pan that has done the test time for 50 some odd years that we all just kind of say it's like, yeah, that's what makes my heartbeat.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm in that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I think.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I do think that there used to be more of an era of a little bit of competition when New Japan was like really hot.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I think everyone was trying to coat tail and say like, I'm the New Japan guy and New Japan was on the rise.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then like,

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[SPEAKER_01]: We all went through the pandemic together, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like in one way or another, we all went mucked it through the pandemic, which was tough for New Japan fans.

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[SPEAKER_02]: We all know we don't have to talk about it, but we have both but right in the AEW world, they just of course, right?

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[SPEAKER_02]: And we took all of those guys that were the the gateway, they gatewayed all the way all the way.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, because that's all the same time, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: So the pandemic is also the rise of AEW.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, we all sort of survived the little bit of post-pandemic, uh, euphoria of like crowds of cheering again and, you know, maybe we're going to make it and then.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Honestly, like dominion 2025 happened and they turned dokey and that the show fell flat and I think all of us every podcast or person person in the new Japan discord, we were all like.

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[SPEAKER_01]: we're all just gonna be in this together.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like we're all just we're all if we're all trapped in your own thing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, right, yeah, it's that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's like we are trapped and we're all in this together.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So even if we disagree or want to make different quips at each other or criticize someone's coverage or you know, poke at someone who got something on your back.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Should have been we threatened quitting the podcast around that time.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I think a lot of people,

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[SPEAKER_02]: threat got it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I didn't want him to and I'm glad.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, but like, I mean, it was like real stuff going on.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Like, I think definitely we were in stiff.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Definitely walked away from the podcast for a few minutes.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I didn't go and on.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it did not help that house of torture and driven him back.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, he took a beat, I mean, people, everyone around that time and, and, you know, and I think, I think, but I do think everyone sort of showed up and, you know, said, all right, if we're all going to keep doing this, we better keep doing it together because because there's no other reason, right, I mean, like my the best thing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: to come out of processing is meeting people like you, people like Joel, people like Damon, I've had people at my house, if had big barbecues for all out and we'll do another one for the G1.

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[SPEAKER_01]: If anyone's come to Chicago and we've met or we've talked, just hit me up and come over for a burger.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm a great cook.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, it comes down to me.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm really good on the bottom of

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[SPEAKER_02]: And you want to listen to that stuff.

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[SPEAKER_01]: People can find me.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, people can find me, and if it's appropriate, and you want to drop by, I'm, you know, the backyard's open, you know, and like, be cool guy to go.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Just, I mean, you know, you gotta, you gotta, you gotta, you gotta speak up, but yeah, I mean, like, that's, that's what it's all about.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And like,

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know, this week's been weird too with the Aaron Wolf stuff and Fale and everyone's got a different opinion about what Aaron Wolf's supposed to mean, you know, and like some people have really strong opinions about, you know, the reason this thing is happening.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And some people are just like, okay, to watch and see what's going on.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And it's not like a, when we're low to play out, like WWE thing, it's like, um,

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[SPEAKER_01]: it's a put it in the context of what matters.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Also put it in the context of what really matters to this company.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And some people put that in a different place, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I think that that's okay.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But you know, I expected it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So, you know, well, if you're talking about it, I can't wait for the crash out.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I don't, I guess I have a different opinion, but like I expected it, I expected it, you know, especially once I saw the bracket, but I certainly expected him and early exit somehow.

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[SPEAKER_01]: pre-New Japan cup to begin with.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, I mean, that's, that's what it all comes out to.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And like we've all got our, our, our favorite guys.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And my favorite guys just happened to be the guys that are actually, have been there for a while.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I don't give a shit about Aaron Wolf.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, sorry, like, and I, you know, I get that he's a big bet for New Japan and I want the company to succeed.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But I ain't my money.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So, that's okay.

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[SPEAKER_02]: He's a young line.

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[SPEAKER_02]: He's wrestling like a young line.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Sure.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I mean, to be a you'll expect him to be wrestling at a higher level.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And I'm like, it's just not going to happen.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I want.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I want him to be a good wrestler.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I do.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But I, but I'm seeing it play out.

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[SPEAKER_02]: on every show.

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[SPEAKER_02]: There is no illusion to me of where this guy is in the ring and watching him string these moves together, like more and more each match, it's going to take time.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And when I saw that he was in the match with Dawn Fallay in the first like thing and an insulated like tournament, I was like, oh, this dude's done early.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, this is

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[SPEAKER_02]: It was he put him on the program.

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[SPEAKER_02]: They put him on the cover of the program and then he bounced into the first fight.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But that will see they're going to be that was either going to be his triumph, his only triumph at moment of this tournament or he wasn't going to have a triumph at moment of this tournament.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And you know, they chose a story.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Because otherwise, I mean, I don't know.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I can't.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't want to litigate why the Aaron Wolf thing doesn't seem to be working and a lot of it's how he's been booked and I don't, I also don't want to litigate why he's being booked that way.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Because I don't know, I have some hypothesis, but I don't know, but like they see value in this story with House of Torture.

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[SPEAKER_01]: House of Tortures, the thing that exists in New Japan, and you know, for almost six years now we've been talking about it,

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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, but it's probably a play, but this is not the role.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It should be playing right now.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And without evil.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I, I'm less accepting of House of torture existing because I think evil was the perfect version.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, I know.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So of what it needs to be, because evil did the whole thing without winking at the camera and he wasn't just a dopey goon and like all that's left.

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[SPEAKER_02]: He has a perfect mustache twirling villain.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that always had a plan.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, and and Dictogo was the perfect.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Boris to his Natasha.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, like it was this rocking bowling cool thing that I I honestly came to enjoy when it was evil, but the rest of the house torture

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[SPEAKER_01]: can pretty much get in the bin if you're asking me like I'd I don't like rent a reader.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think and I don't think any of them bring anything unique to the table besides like cookie cutter, um, pro wrestling, good.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I think that that's there's some feelings about that with with, um, especially with Aaron Wolf being so tied in with them.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But we all I mean, like we all know what's happening.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They're hiding him.

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[SPEAKER_01]: they're protecting him.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And well, they're trying to protect him.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They're protecting him from being exposed as someone who's not a very good belt about wrestler yet.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They're not doing it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think they're okay, let me rephrase that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's what they think they're doing.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Thank you.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, like that, like this is a poor attempt at something that they should be much better at being able to do with the talent that they have there.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But for whatever reason, the disconnect of being able to properly like smoking mirrors hide his folk is just falling flat.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and I mean, he's super x folly in that match and that was sick.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It was great.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It was cool.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It was a moment.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, and, you know, we sort of thought we're headed towards a, towards a win, but, you know, how torture wins.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, yeah, I appreciate that they put out the torture.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Only on one side of the, of the, of the

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[SPEAKER_02]: build so that the other side is basically my story of knowing that how the torture is.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, wait, Caitlyn.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, you got your hand and I don't really think they're going.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean based off of the booking, but yes, okay, I take it

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[SPEAKER_01]: You drove hasn't won a singles match in New Japan in like four years, and it was like a double count out or a count out in a G1, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Was it like a pickle?

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[SPEAKER_02]: We'll never get past not being able to write a horse to go to end from video.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, I can't talk about it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I can't I've heard things.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I know to many things about that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You can't bring it up.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Um,

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[SPEAKER_02]: Real quick, let's throw some comments out here.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Brad mentioned, if Wolf can get to be like Oleg and JPW gets to win, Oleg is awesome.

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[SPEAKER_02]: There's thinking about Wolf is, Oleg looked exactly like Wolf did when he first started.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Like, and Oleg has gotten to that point, but it's taken five years.

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[SPEAKER_02]: like they're in an end game here and they don't have five years of the audience being patient with Wolfe to get to that point.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Like he's the pressure is on him to get there a fast possible.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And Oleg probably could have gotten their faster too.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Things move slowly in this company.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like that's sort of an

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[SPEAKER_01]: And you don't want them to, right now because they need more, you know, they need more and soon because everyone's leaving or everyone has laughed, but Oleg took a while.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It took a while and he's still developing for that matter.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And they, you know, that there's no car locally there, you know, yeah, absolutely, absolutely.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like you could, they could put a rocket on the same way they could put a rocket on anyone else from around that era.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So you're more, or you mean, you know, they've tried some rockets with them, you know, some of those guys, like you could put that same rocket on Oleg and it would work to a certain

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[SPEAKER_01]: with the right character right I mean he's not he's not going to be the hero but I don't know I don't know how you get them to the other side of the the other side of the aisle so but yeah I mean it things take a while and they are very very careful with when they put guys in spots and I think people thought that they were going to do something different with wolf and it just doesn't it just doesn't seem like that's what's happening

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[SPEAKER_02]: The idea that he got the belt made you think they're like, okay, they're really Yeah, there's a little bit of a title.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and then, and it's like, all right, we're full steam ahead.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You can get it, you know, like he's going to go until we can't go.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And then you just took the belt off of them the first time that you knew like the majority of the world could watch it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And you're just like, oh.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, so that's what's happening here.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And since then, it's just been a de-escalation of when it's time to put him in a prime spot.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I expect he's going to have the weird blow-off with House of Torture at Tobinian, where he finally like goes over, because it's going to be broadcast on TV saw, right.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And then we'll go into the G1.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And

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[SPEAKER_02]: perfectly average carried by people who are much better than him for the majority if you ended at all.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But I think he's right.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He's I think he's in it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'll be really surprised if he's and it will be it'll be a big tell if he's not in the G1.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So like I think he'll be in the G1.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, I think ultimately they're they're just trying to get this house torture story to Dominion because it will create this and cap of rustle kingdom and Dominion, where it's sort of the same story, but it's different.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And I'm going through an A thing or whatever and he overpublic that kind of and it's like, this isn't what people wanted out of this, but I get that

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, everyone always wants the, the O'Cotta shock, you know, everyone always wants the 2012, you know, big, bad, on one guy.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's just not what pro wrestling companies, I don't even want to just say New Japan.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's just not what they do anymore.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Um, it is a one kind of generation thing that you can do, not a one kind of every five years or even like recent memory.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So, you know, another promotion, if you kind of see like WWE running it back doing the Brock Lesnar for formula with the old Bethemi right now.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But Brock Lesnar was 21, 22, 23 years ago.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Like you remember like this, it's come up of him, but now they're mirroring it with another guy who presumably going to beat his ass a WrestleMania.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But it's just that whole thing.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It's like you cannot do that in the in-between because it diminishes it when you want to do it and it needs to matter.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So,

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[SPEAKER_02]: I think it's correct that Aaron Wolfe is not given that book it because he is not emoting enough, he is not connecting with the audience enough, he is not progressing enough with his training for that to pay off in any satisfying way because he still needs to if that gives, he'll need to go 20, 25, 30 minutes with some of the top talent in the promotion and he quite simply cannot do that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, yeah, that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, just all of that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think I think ultimately what people would prefer is if you was in there with Tai Chi, Nagata, um, Ishi, Oh, like, We do the old way to make our own wolf match.

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[SPEAKER_02]: That is going to be a big deal.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, you need it to be, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You need it to be because that's a neat, that's a cool thing, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: And, and I think people would actually rather see him grow.

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[SPEAKER_01]: in a quote unquote young lion way but like a main unit young lion right i think i think people want that more than they want you know constant house of torture shenanigans angles disguised as matches

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think people want more of just pure matches, more than anything.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And they're just not gonna do it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They're not gonna just turn around and say, like, okay, well now he's just doing singles matches with Goto and Hartley Jackson and Zach Saber Jr. and I mean, like, that's not what they're doing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's what they did to some extent with Oleg, but mostly with the actual young lines of that generation,

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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, I mean, I didn't want to see Aaron will first his shingo took a hug me.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I didn't either.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I didn't want to get a diminished shingo took a hug.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Like shingo took a hug.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You would have to wrestle a worse match than he normally does.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Just to.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And we're going to have to do that with.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He's going to have to do that with downfall.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But at least we know.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, we have no expectations of that.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Don't fall a, you know what that match is going to be and your expectations have already cratered.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You're not supposed to have your Aaron Wolfex expectation to crater.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_02]: That's the whole thing.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Like, that's what protecting the guy is.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, on that, I will say my expectations of my expectations of Aaron Wolf have cratered because I, I do feel like if they had more confidence in him, he would get more chances to do stuff even in the House torture matches.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I never say I have me because I never had high expectations of the first place.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It was more like, okay, that's an experiment.

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[SPEAKER_02]: We'll see what happens.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And it's just the experiment that keeps going.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And I'm not necessarily sure that the experiment is going to be over any time soon or if we can determine that it's failed.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But the criticism of, okay, taking a little longer and not going as well as anyone had really hoped.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It's absolutely valid.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, absolutely.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Absolutely.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's a valid opinion.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's true.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But it does not mean that he does not get to the definition eventually.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But I think that there is a window for a new Japan to absolutely match my test and that window is closing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I think it might already be closed.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, look at the attendance at Corrican the last two days.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's the same.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And he's on one show and he was on announced for the other show, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: And the attendance was within 55 tickets, something like that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So that's meaningless, a meaningless change and it makes it sales.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Great, I nailed it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Very close.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Not the landing, buddy.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Um.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's basically the same, especially when you count for like the first night of the New Japan Cup, people get excited about night one, et cetera, et cetera.

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[SPEAKER_01]: those numbers are very similar.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So there's this phrase that we use in my house, my world, my career, my life, if they wanted to, they would, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: If people wanted to see Aaron Wolf wrestle, they would.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They would go and see Aaron Wolf wrestle.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I heard a lot of this yesterday where people were like, I can't believe they knocked him out of the tournament, people wanted to see Aaron Wolf wrestle.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Well,

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[SPEAKER_01]: They didn't, though, they didn't want to see Aaron Wilfredsel.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They just, they just didn't.

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[SPEAKER_01]: If they wanted to, they would.

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[SPEAKER_01]: If they wanted to see him wrestle, it was Corrigan Hall.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's the easiest venue to get to.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's the most common venue anyone in Japan runs.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's where pro wrestling fans go.

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[SPEAKER_01]: If they want to see someone wrestle.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And,

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[SPEAKER_01]: They didn't, they didn't.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They just, the same amount of people wanted to see Tai Chi versus Rennerita as wanted to see Aaron Wolfe versus Don Folley.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's if they wanted to, they would.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And they didn't want to, and they didn't.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And they didn't, and maybe some of that's because of who he was in there with or whatever, but I would want to see if I was an Aaron Wolfe fan.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I would want to see Aaron Wolfe.

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[SPEAKER_01]: lift up Don Foley in the middle of Corrican Hall.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But I mean, they, either New Japan has completely failed the beginning of the launch, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: And you can, you can, you can course correct.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And New Japan is done that before.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We're seeing it with a show to him, you know, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: You can, you can, you can course correct on a failed launch.

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[SPEAKER_01]: If they, either they've failed the launch or they've recognized

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[SPEAKER_01]: the comparison that I've heard is Mercedes Monet, in Japan.

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[SPEAKER_01]: She didn't sell the tickets that New Japan wanted her thought she would sell, but she still ended up being a really valuable.

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[SPEAKER_01]: member of their roster, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, right.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So like, but it didn't, it didn't launch easy, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: It, it, they sort of missed the launch on that and they course corrected and eventually she became a valuable member of the program, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: And very important to what they were trying to do with the IWGP women's and a little bit of

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[SPEAKER_01]: But it's sort of the same thing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: This sort of bigger names coming in and being floated on top of what the people who have been in the weeds of New Japan for a very long time, the wrestlers that have been in the weeds of New Japan for a very long time.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The ones that have chosen to stay, because everyone has to choose to stay.

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[SPEAKER_01]: and Aaron Wolfe is sort of floating on top of that, but sequestered with House of Torture.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And to some extent, I think that works.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But especially people over here, they're not gonna like it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And they're definitely not gonna like it when you have to wait six more months for his second come-up ends.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I think the discourse would be a lot different if he had lost it, rest of kingdom.

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[SPEAKER_01]: and then just like couldn't get over the hump of beating someone on House torture, like if that was the whole story, but the win at the win at rest looking dumb and then the subsequent loss to Nureta and then lost to Fale, that sort of a strange pattern that I think like you raised people's expectations and then now you're you're really slamming them down, which is that's a tough place to be.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So I don't that's what's one thing does not seem to be a compelling storyline.

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[SPEAKER_02]: After a hot star, right?

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[SPEAKER_02]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Like out of your hot, I mean, that evil match was great.

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[SPEAKER_02]: He never did a like old baseball player like starting out hitting a couple of homers and then like the rest of the league catching up to him kind of thing.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But my shit doesn't work that way in wrestling.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's March 5th every baseball player in the planet's in the best shape of their life right now that's In her beyond belief and yeah, yeah, yes, there's there's that there's that that section of the player union too.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So, but.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I think that's I think that's all I've got in here and well, so I know I told you before we got started Like I really am ambivalent on the Aaron Wolf discourse.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I could take it or leave it like I just he They guy on the roster and to me.

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[SPEAKER_02]: He's not the one that they should be building around and not the one that they're currently building around and I treat him with a Much of the important because I think I need to without getting a pet because I cannot get a pet about Aaron Wolf.

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[SPEAKER_02]: He doesn't get a pet about me

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[SPEAKER_01]: Have you ever seen a movie a Bronx Tale?

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[SPEAKER_01]: A long time ago.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's a D'Nira movie.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's fantastic.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's one of my favorite movies.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I've got a quote from it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Tetsu Dami.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's not this quote, but

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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, collageno that the kid in the movie is is in the room with the mafia guy.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I forget his name, sunny and sunny goes, you know, like the kid, the kids upset about the Yankees because the Yankees lost and sunny the, the, the, the mobster goes.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Mickey, man, I don't care if you can pay your bills.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Mickey, man, I don't care about you.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's like my favorite thing to point to when people get all upset about someone else's decision that has no effect on them.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's also my favorite thing to point at when people start talking about certain politicians.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But I say, he don't care about you.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, I mean, that's,

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[SPEAKER_00]: He don't care.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You don't care about you.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You can't get upset about he's getting paid.

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[SPEAKER_02]: He's got his boss He's got a police.

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[SPEAKER_02]: He's got a police.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And you know what?

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[SPEAKER_01]: He's probably trying.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe he's not.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I hope he is.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think he is.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I hear that he is.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He's still in the bathroom.

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[SPEAKER_02]: He's still going out there.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Doing a bunch of, like, rough stuff representing the company.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Who do they want?

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[SPEAKER_02]: It's fine.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He's, but he's no, you know, I mean, the comparisons to bad bunny, Logan Paul, right, like celebrities that come into celebrities that have come into American wrestling, I think those, he's not even that guy that was with a, you, you showed a wrestle kingdom, like from, right.

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[SPEAKER_02]: That's a poker end, and now I'll treat a bad bunny, though.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You know what I mean?

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, yes, yes, yes.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, like that's the celebrity clash, like pivoting into pro wrestling, but actually making, like a legitimate effort, not the, well, I saw him at DBT, like, you believe it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, like, you had a great match.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Those comparisons are fair to want that level of both investment and talent.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, like, just like raw talent.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, it's, I don't, I don't know that he's had a chance to show it, and also like, I don't know that he has taken the initiative to take the, to create the chance to show that.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Um, not Kurt Angle.

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[SPEAKER_02]: He's not Brock Lesnar.

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[SPEAKER_02]: He's not Frank Shamrock.

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[SPEAKER_02]: He's not these guys that pivoted into pro wrestling from Mitch Marshwar at the background of some type.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And so that's what the real expectation here is and it just it goes to show what a real freak of nature, all of those guys are, rather than the expectation that the universal training for people coming in from another sport,

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and I have to, I have to ask whether maybe New Japan is just not the right environment for someone of that history, right, because the booking is so varied, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's so varied where you land and how and the styles are so varied.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's not.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, to still down to one distinct style, like something like WWE where you're like, I can do that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I can do what those guys are doing and it's exactly that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, there's a lot of flexibility in New Japan with the styles of matches that you you are allowed to have or that you go out there and have, you know, oftentimes all these guys get is the finish, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's all they get.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They say 15 minutes finish like this.

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[SPEAKER_01]: and it's like, okay, and then like they've got to call it in the ring, brother.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, and like that's a lot harder than it's a lot harder in New Japan when you've got a bunch of different types of opponents and a bunch of different languages that people are speaking that you have to work out.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So, you know, all that to say, like it's different,

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[SPEAKER_01]: But I can totally understand why people would want to make those comparisons and what would want that level of, you know, push an excitement around a guy that

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, we were told it's going to be important.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So in a music me cause are basically this bolt off.

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[SPEAKER_02]: They were going to have got like 15 or 20 minutes before we were willing to fantastic a media, which we're going to do in just one second and we're going to get to everything guys.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I promise, but this is actually a really good conversation, but it's the hot topic of the day.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Really it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Garrett, fearless leader of a fight game media, why it's just to do clips, and in the middle of this conversation, I lost myself because I was like, maybe we do an Aaron Wolf segment, and I go, is it time for Aaron Wolf pack it up?

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[SPEAKER_02]: Hey, I was really happy with my own little pun, and then I realized I just need to share it and then never do that clip because that is

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[SPEAKER_02]: It's terrible pocket.

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[SPEAKER_02]: If you do not get quit, call YouTube.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It just makes me happy.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Cut to Kevin Nash.

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[SPEAKER_02]: All right.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So you did not watch Fantastic Amenia.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I did.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It basically was a popcorn show in which I mean you grab your bucket-up popcorn and you sit down and enjoy some wrestling for the

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[SPEAKER_02]: 55 minutes of in-ring time at the show, usually have.

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[SPEAKER_02]: We had 1499 people here at the show, Chris.

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[SPEAKER_02]: We had, I believe, seven matches.

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[SPEAKER_02]: including the first one, which would have been the last time that you would have get to see Shoma Kato before his suitcases by the Dorant Corrican, along with the rest of the CMLO guys to jump on a plane.

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[SPEAKER_02]: A verno, the new Junior Heavyweight Champion, beat him with an arm bar in 10 minutes and 27 seconds, perfectly fine.

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[SPEAKER_02]: The next match was an eight-man tag.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It had Matt Tetsuya Matsumoto, Mesa Toriyosuna, Mesa Watto, and Stigma, versus Yoshinobukena Maro, Shou Yudro, Takahashi, and Hihode, Stuka Jr. And the thing of that match was, oh God, where is it here?

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[SPEAKER_02]: it was the house of torture getting one over on Master Toria so that which they were going to build up Master Wada but they hadn't quite done that yet.

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[SPEAKER_02]: The next one was Tiger Mask and Magnus.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know if you were following this at all but Magnus basically we did the Black Tiger gimmick for that.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh yeah, I didn't know that.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And so this was the last black tiger tiger mask match at Corric in the hall for this tiger mask before he retired in June.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It wasn't much of a match when about eight minutes afterwards magnews showed him a whole lot of respect kind of wrapped the bow on this little last bit a tiger mask love for the situation before he retired.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And then after that, we had a Relievo incredibly fantastic tag.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It was at Lenties, at Lenties Junior and to Gucci, defeating Koji Match, Koji Match.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm sorry, which is Oka Morrent, Doshikigima, along with Hechichero.

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[SPEAKER_02]: 10 minutes, totally fine.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Your life will not change if you miss the match.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Your life might change if you watch it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It can be a U thing.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Uh, after that, we had another seclantag.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It was a lot of yeah, heros de espazia, which is futureo and valianti junior and mascara, Toronto, great team, defeating, uh, hats who brought to Guerrero and unbound company, hats who brought to Guerrero, wishing to call you in a mask.

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[SPEAKER_02]: If you didn't know, I know, a distant relative, maybe.

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[SPEAKER_02]: He, uh, I laughed at he gave him come to Guerrero last name, but I fell for it last week, when I think it was the Thursday show or the Wednesday show, with, uh, Marlowe Junior, which with Yoda Fuji and bone soul Jewish, is she mori.

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[SPEAKER_02]: They announced that she can go to Target and family emergency and have to miss the show and I'm like, Oh, that's enough.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You just got married.

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[SPEAKER_02]: However, there's okay.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And then.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Guerrero came out.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I felt so dumb.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I was like, they literally did this to me.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I do love the, I'd love the fantastic and many of bits of like, I'm not that guy.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that's not me.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's very fun, actually.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And it's the same guy doing all the time.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So it's all the L-I-J legacy guys and fun there.

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[SPEAKER_02]: After that, we had a temp-lario defeating Ultimo Guerrero in 13 and a half minutes, really good match.

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[SPEAKER_02]: One of those singles matches that they kind of throw at the end of the tour to send people home happy.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And then the Creme de O'Crum match at the end of it was a Mystico with Tiger Mask and a side defeated Soprano Jr. with the La Mystica.

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[SPEAKER_02]: 25 minutes, 40 seconds, send everyone home happy.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So Barano showed the respect, even though he turned full heel.

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[SPEAKER_02]: He wore this outfit that was all black, but it all I kind of spiked you with a puppy like spiked you jacket.

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[SPEAKER_02]: That kind of hell rave her ish, but not quite, but breath in all black really good vibes.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And

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[SPEAKER_02]: Tasticomania, you can wrap a bow in it with the 1500 attendance before the New Japan Cup, which cratered about 500 people per show, just a week later.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So that can tell you what the interest level is on the Licholipravers is what the normal product is, and goes back to your point about if people wanted to come see Aaron Wolf, they would have come see Aaron Wolf, because they came out to see Mystico, and they came out to see it a couple of these other guys.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Fantastic Manio is draws though.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, like, they people love that tour.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It's a super fun show, man.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Why it's cool.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It's the super Jake hat will take their, like, sabbatical during World Tag.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Because most of the matches for Wrestle Kingdom are announced.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And basically, you're just, you're putting the final copy on the Sunday, the Wrestle Kingdom at the time of World Tag.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And there's a lot of the same energy to Fantastic Manio.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Can't take your break.

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[SPEAKER_02]: you don't need to watch.

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[SPEAKER_02]: If you need to spend the last two weeks of February to kind of check down to a new span, they're giving you an invite.

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[SPEAKER_02]: They're going to say like, hey, go, this is for the people at home.

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[SPEAKER_02]: They don't have a merit, you have commentary right away.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Like, this is de-emphasized as much as possible.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Basically, enjoy your literally brand if you don't.

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[SPEAKER_02]: We'll see you in a couple days.

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[SPEAKER_02]: That's a terrific opinion.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And some people get the message.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Some people do not.

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[SPEAKER_02]: uh, Jordan mentioned got to say that Jack in a really authentic Jordan, you know, want to know why I'm confident it will confident it because it is authentic.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I got this at the token shop in a suitabashi station, your suitabashi station, here the Tokyo dome, and got it for a great price because

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[SPEAKER_02]: because the end is down.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It ended up being like $100 versus like $175 that you got to buy it all the time.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I really got to do this, don't I?

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[SPEAKER_02]: And so, Chris actually thought about wearing the jacket as well, but thought that I would wear the jacket.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I knew how I do.

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[SPEAKER_02]: He didn't want to match me, and my heart is a little broken by this.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, you know,

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[SPEAKER_01]: And obviously, I'm going to just humble brag, now I could have picked one of my other sick.

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[SPEAKER_01]: This is what I'm actually hoping to track tracksuits, but I went with, I mean, this sweaters cool.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's good.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's good.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Also from the fan.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Also from the 20-25 model.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think so.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's my newest.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So, yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I usually, you know, I get a package in the mail every year.

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[SPEAKER_01]: If we were to ask the portrait to Gary.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You are you needed to be on your MTV crib and showing people the closet where you show your line of tracks and I did.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You can go back to January 3rd.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It was the day before wrestling kingdom.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And the trick with Twitter is that if you want a certain day to get a lot of views or a certain set of content, to get a lot of views, you got to do some stuff before that, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I've been out and have any content ready.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I wanted people to see my wrestling in the work.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I did a ranking of my track suits.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And it's on Twitter.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I think it's really funny.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I do remember that now.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I do remember that.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I think everyone should go find it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Did you give the taunahashi one like a high ranking?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, well, Joel Joel from Jcast, like, replied to my thread and was like thoughts on the taunahashi one and I was like, I gave a little spiel ranking.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It is an honorable mention, but I don't have that one.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So, but yeah, I ranked the seven that I have.

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[SPEAKER_01]: With this year's is

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[SPEAKER_01]: tremendous.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's my number two pick.

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[SPEAKER_01]: My number one's that 2021 that's Nate just navy and white and it's just classy, but I love this one.

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[SPEAKER_01]: This one with the pockets with zippers.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The zipper pockets do a lot of work for me.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's good.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's a feature.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Not a bug.

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[SPEAKER_01]: My daughter, I think I mentioned she's almost two, but we do like baby yoga.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We

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[SPEAKER_01]: the current tracksuit because I need somewhere to put like my phone on my wallet that has zipper because I'm like rolling around on the ground.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean it's not I'm not very good at yoga she's actually probably better than I am but I need somewhere to put my phone so it won't fall out but I need something that's still pretty flexible so I wear the jacket with the zipper pockets and they it's tremendous and now you're never going to forget that your zipper your your

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[SPEAKER_02]: I am a strong believer of zippers on my pocket because things fall.

01:00:04.314 --> 01:00:11.244
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, all the time, all the time you got, you got to have zippers on this cargo shorts as soon as I noticed it.

01:00:11.304 --> 01:00:13.787
[SPEAKER_01]: I was like, those zippers are going to do a lot of work.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's great.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's a great feature.

01:00:16.171 --> 01:00:17.933
[SPEAKER_01]: Every year has a little,

01:00:17.913 --> 01:00:26.484
[SPEAKER_01]: feature that I enjoy, some of them have like cuff pants, some of them have like drostring ankles, like it's, there's little, there's just little things.

01:00:26.524 --> 01:00:30.829
[SPEAKER_01]: They actually do a lot of cool design stuff with those, uh, new Japan tracksuits.

01:00:31.350 --> 01:00:35.035
[SPEAKER_01]: They're worth the investment, and it's not that hard to get stuff shipped from Japan.

01:00:35.395 --> 01:00:36.116
[SPEAKER_01]: That's all I'm gonna say.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Get yourself one in your lifetime, everybody.

01:00:38.579 --> 01:00:39.521
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you don't, yeah.

01:00:39.721 --> 01:00:43.986
[SPEAKER_02]: Like Chris has got like, 12, and that's awesome.

01:00:44.387 --> 01:00:45.468
[SPEAKER_00]: I've got a guy, you know?

01:00:45.508 --> 01:00:46.549
[SPEAKER_00]: I've got a guy.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You've got a guy.

01:00:47.731 --> 01:00:48.432
[SPEAKER_02]: All right.

01:00:48.552 --> 01:00:52.998
[SPEAKER_02]: We got the new beginnings in the USA show to talk about here.

01:00:53.018 --> 01:00:58.466
[SPEAKER_02]: This was actually a really fun show and I thought that everything will match on there.

01:00:59.027 --> 01:01:07.378
[SPEAKER_02]: Where probably if you're going to win match that they all were good and they all added to a card that by the end of it really came together.

01:01:07.459 --> 01:01:09.942
[SPEAKER_02]: I thought was a strong domestic showing.

01:01:09.922 --> 01:01:20.804
[SPEAKER_02]: wasn't quite a strong show, wasn't quite a new Japan show, but it was something in between that just felt like it was a good representation of what it can be in America.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I agree.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean,

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[SPEAKER_01]: the same thing I say about all these shows, I wish they looked and felt better when I'm watching them on TV.

01:01:30.557 --> 01:01:35.121
[SPEAKER_01]: But the crowd seemed into it, and the wrestling was good.

01:01:35.701 --> 01:01:38.464
[SPEAKER_01]: And that's a great place to start.

01:01:38.924 --> 01:01:40.546
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, that's all you can ask for.

01:01:40.686 --> 01:01:44.909
[SPEAKER_01]: And pretty much everything that happened was meaningful to actual New Japan.

01:01:46.050 --> 01:01:49.754
[SPEAKER_01]: It's not this like secondary thing, which is good.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I appreciate that.

01:01:54.893 --> 01:02:10.185
[SPEAKER_02]: And what I call the Heromus special, uh, Stimly, faith-off against Fred Rosser, who has made his return into a new champion ring after, at least a year after being, uh, leaving us a trainer at the LA Dojo, he came back and,

01:02:10.165 --> 01:02:21.462
[SPEAKER_02]: did the job for David Finley who went out with a win on his way out, grabbed a microphone, proceeded to not say anything at all, and then I'll raise the gung with the knockout brothers at the ring.

01:02:21.502 --> 01:02:22.984
[SPEAKER_02]: Totally fine.

01:02:23.025 --> 01:02:29.254
[SPEAKER_02]: They brought in a guy that David Finley could beat, and would have no consequences to one click clever, and I was okay with it.

01:02:30.095 --> 01:02:32.859
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and I don't think they knew what was going on with Finlay just yet.

01:02:32.939 --> 01:02:34.601
[SPEAKER_01]: I think that all came together pretty quick.

01:02:34.661 --> 01:02:40.268
[SPEAKER_01]: But as we know, he's done as far as anyone knows.

01:02:40.388 --> 01:02:42.391
[SPEAKER_01]: This is not a dual contract situation.

01:02:42.411 --> 01:02:47.277
[SPEAKER_01]: Like he showed up in AWS, NAW is not a new Japan contracted.

01:02:47.317 --> 01:02:51.923
[SPEAKER_01]: But he's he left on really good terms as my understanding.

01:02:52.404 --> 01:02:57.250
[SPEAKER_01]: So, you know, obviously never say never and don't really anything out.

01:02:57.230 --> 01:03:01.535
[SPEAKER_01]: you know is is nice to see him pop up for one last show in America.

01:03:02.076 --> 01:03:06.862
[SPEAKER_01]: Um but yeah he's uh David the David Finley era of New Japan is over.

01:03:06.902 --> 01:03:23.423
[SPEAKER_02]: There were a lot of things that would lead you to believe that when he was in Japan at that new beginning show in Osaka he was saying goodbye and there's been nothing except then that made me think that he was going to be stepping in a ring at Corican or anywhere else

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[SPEAKER_01]: No, but Finley has always played things very close to just say very little, but we, you know, we all heard the whispers, right?

01:03:32.855 --> 01:03:34.997
[SPEAKER_01]: He was trying to get to the US.

01:03:35.037 --> 01:03:37.080
[SPEAKER_01]: He's he's about my age.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He's got a child that's almost the exact same age as mine.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, he said he wants to be home.

01:03:42.507 --> 01:03:43.828
[SPEAKER_01]: And that makes sense to me.

01:03:44.429 --> 01:03:46.331
[SPEAKER_01]: You want to hear a small random bit of trivia?

01:03:47.112 --> 01:03:47.773
[SPEAKER_01]: Of course.

01:03:48.547 --> 01:04:03.509
[SPEAKER_02]: David Finley, if he does a match in AEW next week at the San Jose Civic, it will have been the same thing that he revealed himself as the new leader of the Bullet Club and went to J.

01:04:03.550 --> 01:04:11.261
[SPEAKER_02]: White and did the intricate video filming of his walking down the stairs in that venue.

01:04:11.642 --> 01:04:17.170
[SPEAKER_02]: So that's

01:04:17.150 --> 01:04:18.692
[SPEAKER_02]: That's interesting.

01:04:18.712 --> 01:04:26.062
[SPEAKER_02]: That's not for sure that he has a match depth week, but I would think that he would given all the, you know what I mean?

01:04:26.362 --> 01:04:27.884
[SPEAKER_01]: I would at least think he's going to appear.

01:04:29.566 --> 01:04:30.247
[SPEAKER_01]: He's, I don't know.

01:04:31.209 --> 01:04:32.470
[SPEAKER_02]: But yeah, that's going to be interesting.

01:04:32.751 --> 01:04:38.498
[SPEAKER_02]: It's been a very important part of David's family's career and it's just the way that that kind of lined up sometimes.

01:04:38.879 --> 01:04:40.000
[SPEAKER_02]: It's always kind of funny to me.

01:04:40.501 --> 01:04:41.983
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, I like that.

01:04:42.283 --> 01:04:42.764
[SPEAKER_00]: I like that.

01:04:43.525 --> 01:04:44.406
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that's good.

01:04:45.331 --> 01:04:46.673
[SPEAKER_02]: All right, you know, it was good.

01:04:46.733 --> 01:04:52.382
[SPEAKER_02]: Was this Matt, was you talking about Hiroshi and Bolton, Oh, and for the New Japan strong open-weight championship.

01:04:52.823 --> 01:04:58.352
[SPEAKER_02]: This title has been kind of missing an action ever since Tomahira, she beat Gabe Kid for it.

01:04:59.073 --> 01:05:04.162
[SPEAKER_02]: And Tomahira, she's kind of been out of action here and there with various injuries.

01:05:05.143 --> 01:05:10.512
[SPEAKER_02]: I think he's existing with a perpetual broken note at this point.

01:05:10.492 --> 01:05:19.405
[SPEAKER_02]: Broken quadriceps that seems to be repaired with duct tape and various other neck injuries now at this point because he is no longer able to go in the new Japan cup.

01:05:19.785 --> 01:05:32.584
[SPEAKER_02]: But boy, did he give a performance before his body was no longer able to go and so did bolt no leg and these two powerhouses beat the crap out of each other until Tomahiroishi

01:05:32.564 --> 01:05:38.854
[SPEAKER_02]: Gable, Noah, the honors, padded him on the back, instead of gear time to hold to be the stallion here, buddy.

01:05:39.335 --> 01:05:43.462
[SPEAKER_02]: And just kind of sent him along with the title, fantastic match.

01:05:43.562 --> 01:05:45.405
[SPEAKER_02]: Boat, Noah has come so far.

01:05:45.445 --> 01:05:59.247
[SPEAKER_02]: And if we were talking previously about the comparisons with Aaron Wolf, he is what hopefully Aaron Wolf ended up turning into and progressing because Boat and

01:05:59.227 --> 01:06:04.132
[SPEAKER_02]: a few years and now it appears that the company have really committed to him as a single star.

01:06:05.474 --> 01:06:11.220
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, this rocked and what a great move from whoever decided to just put this on first, right?

01:06:11.240 --> 01:06:13.482
[SPEAKER_01]: And just like establish the energy for the show.

01:06:13.502 --> 01:06:22.872
[SPEAKER_01]: And what a move from these guys to like go out there and take that opportunity.

01:06:22.852 --> 01:06:31.502
[SPEAKER_01]: Ishi looked hurt on dynamite a couple weeks ago, people were freaking out about that and then he showed up for this match and did what he does.

01:06:32.123 --> 01:06:36.868
[SPEAKER_01]: And but part of me just thinks he was probably just hurt the whole time because he's just so good.

01:06:36.929 --> 01:06:39.532
[SPEAKER_01]: He's so good and he's so tough.

01:06:39.832 --> 01:06:41.194
[SPEAKER_01]: He'll work through everything.

01:06:41.214 --> 01:06:44.978
[SPEAKER_01]: And then you know when he sees an opportunity to be like.

01:06:44.958 --> 01:07:02.747
[SPEAKER_01]: I need to step away for a minute, but he's never gone for as long as you think he's going to be like this dude is I mean he is the stone pitball like stone is the key word there man this man is made Iraq and we talked about healing factors and like comic book can move you yeah I think the dude actually has a healing factor.

01:07:02.727 --> 01:07:07.117
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean, or he's just he doesn't feel anything anymore.

01:07:07.297 --> 01:07:07.678
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.

01:07:08.099 --> 01:07:11.988
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know what story is, but he'll pop back up before you think he will.

01:07:12.830 --> 01:07:20.247
[SPEAKER_01]: Whether it's in the US or, you know, or in Japan, like he's going to pop back up, he's going to do something awesome.

01:07:20.227 --> 01:07:22.531
[SPEAKER_01]: But all leg took the reins man.

01:07:22.591 --> 01:07:23.012
[SPEAKER_01]: It was good.

01:07:23.152 --> 01:07:23.913
[SPEAKER_01]: It was just good.

01:07:23.973 --> 01:07:33.469
[SPEAKER_01]: It felt good to see these two dudes just go out there and do, you know, a classic never openweight style match strong openweight style match.

01:07:33.489 --> 01:07:37.155
[SPEAKER_02]: I guess you can call it we look like he needed help in the ring.

01:07:38.738 --> 01:07:40.160
[SPEAKER_02]: You know what I mean, like you did not yet.

01:07:40.260 --> 01:07:40.420
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

01:07:40.460 --> 01:07:40.721
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

01:07:40.741 --> 01:07:40.881
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

01:07:40.921 --> 01:07:41.442
[SPEAKER_02]: I did.

01:07:41.759 --> 01:07:49.339
[SPEAKER_02]: Now, he was in there, like, confident, poised new the moves could read the audience.

01:07:49.660 --> 01:07:55.496
[SPEAKER_02]: It was, like, I, yeah, that match started and they were cheering for a sheety.

01:07:55.997 --> 01:07:58.063
[SPEAKER_02]: The match ended and they were cheering for old.

01:07:59.022 --> 01:08:00.003
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:08:00.123 --> 01:08:09.675
[SPEAKER_01]: And that, and that they were cheering for Oleg and, but the, but the respect for Ishi hasn't changed to anything it has grown, right?

01:08:09.815 --> 01:08:17.364
[SPEAKER_01]: Ishi has become, I mean, I hate to say, but like Ishi and Tai Chi are the guys that can like get anyone over that they're in the ring with.

01:08:17.924 --> 01:08:22.650
[SPEAKER_01]: And they're, they're, they're both so good at both being super credible.

01:08:23.305 --> 01:08:32.833
[SPEAKER_01]: in a loss and knowing how to bring out the fire from the person that's across from them in a way that the crowd will respond to.

01:08:32.893 --> 01:08:34.535
[SPEAKER_01]: They are masters of it.

01:08:35.155 --> 01:08:43.282
[SPEAKER_01]: And when they were attacking, oh my god, that's the reason the tag team division is what it is right now, it's those guys.

01:08:43.643 --> 01:08:52.350
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean like those, you know, and each is a huge part of that and obviously he's the legend

01:08:52.330 --> 01:09:02.545
[SPEAKER_01]: And this, this, if, I mean, everyone's gonna say, like if there was just a card of wrestling, that's just like this, like, I would love it, but like, it's true.

01:09:02.865 --> 01:09:08.374
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, I don't, I don't know that I need like other styles of wrestling, like, these guys, this was amazing.

01:09:08.494 --> 01:09:08.914
[SPEAKER_01]: I loved it.

01:09:09.055 --> 01:09:14.242
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I mean, there were very few finishes that were like, oh my God, I hate this.

01:09:14.262 --> 01:09:16.566
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, I paid $50 for the paper view.

01:09:17.006 --> 01:09:19.570
[SPEAKER_02]: This is the crap finish that I'm getting.

01:09:19.550 --> 01:09:21.995
[SPEAKER_02]: that is supposedly clean.

01:09:22.456 --> 01:09:28.729
[SPEAKER_02]: And then you want to show like this where it's just like the most controversial finish with a draw and they're like, no, fuck that, look actually have a finish.

01:09:29.230 --> 01:09:30.212
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, look at that.

01:09:30.232 --> 01:09:33.258
[SPEAKER_02]: I feel like I don't love it.

01:09:33.598 --> 01:09:35.803
[SPEAKER_02]: But if that's the worst hygiene that we're going to do.

01:09:35.823 --> 01:09:36.524
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, good.

01:09:36.544 --> 01:09:37.907
[SPEAKER_02]: Like a finish on a show.

01:09:38.088 --> 01:09:40.292
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm going to take that every time the week.

01:09:40.272 --> 01:09:52.452
[SPEAKER_02]: That's so I am I'm happy that Oleg Bolton has a place at the table and I'm glad that he has become that dude in the eyes of people that didn't know he was that dude before.

01:09:53.394 --> 01:09:58.001
[SPEAKER_01]: I want him desperately and I know we will we will talk through some new Japan cup stuff.

01:09:58.242 --> 01:10:06.415
[SPEAKER_01]: I desperately want him to beat Nareda and I want them to unify the openway titles like and I want all like to be the winner.

01:10:06.682 --> 01:10:13.011
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think that's what's going to happen, but I see a path for it and I see a collision to work with those.

01:10:13.031 --> 01:10:14.373
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, with those to 100%.

01:10:14.453 --> 01:10:14.854
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

01:10:15.174 --> 01:10:15.735
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

01:10:15.855 --> 01:10:25.388
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know if that's your dream was coming true there, but yeah, I don't know if they're ever going to I no one remembers where the or the strong tag titles are they.

01:10:25.428 --> 01:10:26.530
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, they're a CMLL.

01:10:26.510 --> 01:10:39.854
[SPEAKER_02]: I know where they I know where they are, but yeah, they're the two dudes in the MLL have I don't remember who, but I know the last I remember really science and you're all Nelson wrestled and lost and lost challenging for this title.

01:10:39.914 --> 01:10:43.701
[SPEAKER_01]: That's the last I remember I see a there's a comment in the chats is Olic Bolton.

01:10:43.741 --> 01:10:45.043
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know which name is first now.

01:10:45.144 --> 01:10:45.925
[SPEAKER_01]: I have no idea.

01:10:46.426 --> 01:10:49.311
[SPEAKER_02]: I have no idea what Bolton is the

01:10:49.780 --> 01:10:53.947
[SPEAKER_02]: Western version of saying his name in Japan because they do the last name first.

01:10:54.328 --> 01:10:55.770
[SPEAKER_02]: They call him Bolton Oleg.

01:10:56.151 --> 01:10:57.012
[SPEAKER_02]: Both are fine.

01:10:57.293 --> 01:10:58.094
[SPEAKER_02]: It doesn't matter.

01:10:58.315 --> 01:10:59.256
[SPEAKER_02]: I respond to both.

01:10:59.777 --> 01:11:00.438
[SPEAKER_02]: And I don't care.

01:11:00.939 --> 01:11:01.740
[SPEAKER_02]: And you shouldn't either.

01:11:02.462 --> 01:11:08.532
[SPEAKER_01]: I think if he's on that G1 show in Chicago, there has to be dueling chance.

01:11:08.900 --> 01:11:14.645
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, in the US right in the US in Chicago, if he's on that show, it's got to be Bolton.

01:11:14.885 --> 01:11:16.807
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, like, Oh, like, Bolton.

01:11:16.887 --> 01:11:18.288
[SPEAKER_01]: It would be so funny.

01:11:18.328 --> 01:11:19.910
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to make it.

01:11:19.950 --> 01:11:21.131
[SPEAKER_02]: People would be like, what's happening?

01:11:21.151 --> 01:11:22.432
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, doing the same trip.

01:11:22.952 --> 01:11:23.753
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean, right.

01:11:23.773 --> 01:11:24.934
[SPEAKER_02]: It's the same on either side.

01:11:25.374 --> 01:11:29.618
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, Brian just can't understand anything that's not fed to him with the spoon.

01:11:29.658 --> 01:11:32.040
[SPEAKER_01]: So, and you can clip that and put it on the internet.

01:11:32.060 --> 01:11:32.461
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't care.

01:11:34.142 --> 01:11:37.405
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but I mean, I would, I would laugh so hard.

01:11:39.089 --> 01:11:43.209
[SPEAKER_01]: Ricochet and I teach you, hello, look at that.

01:11:43.289 --> 01:11:44.655
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm trying to get you clicks, brother.

01:11:45.278 --> 01:11:46.062
[SPEAKER_02]: Let's go.

01:11:47.105 --> 01:11:49.869
[SPEAKER_02]: Not taking the bait on that one, not taking the bait on that one.

01:11:50.990 --> 01:11:54.755
[SPEAKER_02]: Ricochet defeated Taiji Shimori for the AEW National Championship.

01:11:55.737 --> 01:12:04.829
[SPEAKER_02]: The National Championship is that new title that was introduced just so Ricochet could go around and rescue people everywhere without having to spoil another title.

01:12:05.349 --> 01:12:09.836
[SPEAKER_02]: This was interesting because I don't remember the last time I really saw Taiji Shimori.

01:12:10.216 --> 01:12:14.682
[SPEAKER_02]: It's like pure baby face, challenging for a title and it was a breath of fresh air.

01:12:14.662 --> 01:12:29.734
[SPEAKER_02]: And he is so dynamic as a baby fake with some of those aerodynamic moves that he's doing, you know, getting the crowd crashing, getting that getting that like fanfare mean while you have ricochet just as good.

01:12:29.714 --> 01:12:33.219
[SPEAKER_02]: match you can move for moving, getting frustrating, they can't put them down.

01:12:33.880 --> 01:12:39.188
[SPEAKER_02]: Everything that you wanted this match to be, it would have been great in the best of the super juniors.

01:12:39.448 --> 01:12:52.026
[SPEAKER_02]: If, you know, it fit right into that, that sphere of super junior matches, I'm probably sure they had one, maybe 10 years ago, wouldn't be surprised if they did, but I can't remember for sure.

01:12:53.086 --> 01:12:58.993
[SPEAKER_02]: But I'm just thinking about like last year, these two guys wrote the Tokyo Dome, they're like, hey, we should have a match together for the public.

01:12:59.253 --> 01:13:00.815
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, we should, and then they finally did.

01:13:02.557 --> 01:13:06.822
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, there's a period of my life where Ishimori was like my favorite wrestler.

01:13:06.882 --> 01:13:08.744
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, the dude is so good.

01:13:09.425 --> 01:13:16.933
[SPEAKER_01]: And I, you know, as with everyone, everyone in New Japan, eventually they joined Bullet Club and extend their career.

01:13:16.973 --> 01:13:21.118
[SPEAKER_01]: And it's sort of a shame, but Ishimori's sort of,

01:13:21.841 --> 01:13:25.127
[SPEAKER_01]: supersedes that, he's still, he's still so good.

01:13:25.147 --> 01:13:36.007
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, and obviously like Ricochet is one of the best in the world and he's really coming into his own again, um, in, in, in a, in a w and he's just, he's tremendous.

01:13:36.087 --> 01:13:38.652
[SPEAKER_01]: So, um, but there was,

01:13:39.425 --> 01:13:41.590
[SPEAKER_01]: They clearly have a lot of respect for each other.

01:13:41.630 --> 01:13:42.893
[SPEAKER_01]: Like the eye saw it, right?

01:13:43.615 --> 01:13:47.083
[SPEAKER_01]: You could see it in the match for like, they're both giving pretty much max effort.

01:13:47.985 --> 01:13:56.404
[SPEAKER_01]: And even for, you know, whatever the, I guess it was probably about what 15 minutes, 14 minutes, like they,

01:13:56.384 --> 01:13:58.567
[SPEAKER_01]: they gave what they could give in that time.

01:13:58.627 --> 01:14:00.690
[SPEAKER_01]: And I think they put on a hell of a show.

01:14:01.331 --> 01:14:07.541
[SPEAKER_01]: And whatever it should more he does this though, I just want more of this version of him.

01:14:07.601 --> 01:14:13.009
[SPEAKER_01]: And maybe now that he's with the unbound co-位 situation, which is more baby-faced than it is.

01:14:13.049 --> 01:14:15.593
[SPEAKER_01]: He'll like, maybe we will see that.

01:14:15.913 --> 01:14:21.261
[SPEAKER_01]: I guess I'm a little more curious now to see what his best of supertuners gonna end up looking like.

01:14:21.865 --> 01:14:29.657
[SPEAKER_02]: I had a hierarchy that I talked with Stephen, maybe a few months ago, maybe a month ago when we're talking about her own leaving.

01:14:30.037 --> 01:14:39.692
[SPEAKER_02]: And it felt like the hierarchy was number one through four, somewhere between Sujida, Desparado, Dadoqui, and Akira.

01:14:40.253 --> 01:14:44.599
[SPEAKER_02]: So her own move had the best would be five in that hierarchy.

01:14:44.748 --> 01:15:08.764
[SPEAKER_02]: Now, I think, Ishi Mori is probably that number five where it's like there are other people there, but he's on that outside looking in of the people that they're really going to build around is the core, but he's still going to be a guy that's going to have great matches and do all these things, but he's just kind of he, he, he've been to emphasize because you can see the directions that they're taking with these other guys at this point.

01:15:08.744 --> 01:15:15.036
[SPEAKER_02]: And the only other thing with TIGI Schmorry watching him wrestle like a face, he kind of reminded me of AJ Styles.

01:15:15.236 --> 01:15:31.107
[SPEAKER_02]: And I don't know if that's like fair, but he would, he would use like the fist and the submission move and the high flying in a lot of the same ways that AJ Styles would wrestle that way in some of the matches that I thought.

01:15:31.087 --> 01:15:32.008
[SPEAKER_02]: kind of interesting.

01:15:32.028 --> 01:15:39.977
[SPEAKER_02]: I never really thought that those two would be some more in that kind of approach, but they really did wrestle similarly when they were baby faces.

01:15:41.619 --> 01:15:50.790
[SPEAKER_01]: So he's issue more as a guy that they could put the junior title on as a transition between two, you know, two similar wrestlers or something or two guys in the same unit.

01:15:51.330 --> 01:15:56.436
[SPEAKER_01]: He's a guy that will always be credible in that space, and I think that that's super valuable.

01:15:56.618 --> 01:16:01.003
[SPEAKER_02]: I, I will love for them to build around him for like a six to nine month run.

01:16:01.444 --> 01:16:03.246
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm just not sure that they will.

01:16:03.687 --> 01:16:14.079
[SPEAKER_01]: But I mean, but I also think he could be the guy that walks out challenges wins, you know, wins a match, miscellaneously and then like right after Dokey Beach, water tomorrow.

01:16:14.099 --> 01:16:16.081
[SPEAKER_02]: He's the guy that challenges for the title.

01:16:16.101 --> 01:16:16.983
[SPEAKER_01]: One and a half.

01:16:17.003 --> 01:16:19.065
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, dokey beats water.

01:16:19.045 --> 01:16:22.029
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, you don't think it's my boy waters.

01:16:22.149 --> 01:16:23.090
[SPEAKER_02]: I hope it is.

01:16:23.230 --> 01:16:27.575
[SPEAKER_02]: I just, it feels like such a nothing show and nothing match.

01:16:27.595 --> 01:16:28.276
[SPEAKER_01]: It's weird.

01:16:28.957 --> 01:16:30.319
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't want to go to deep on it.

01:16:30.339 --> 01:16:33.983
[SPEAKER_01]: But like I'm looking at this card and I, I was talking to Joel from J.Caster earlier today.

01:16:34.003 --> 01:16:37.427
[SPEAKER_01]: I was like, Joel, what's main of meanting the anniversary show?

01:16:37.467 --> 01:16:38.388
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, what is happening?

01:16:38.488 --> 01:16:39.910
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, why is this a weird card?

01:16:40.751 --> 01:16:40.951
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, man.

01:16:43.014 --> 01:16:46.538
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, where's Yoda Suji?

01:16:47.227 --> 01:16:50.913
[SPEAKER_02]: If you just can be on the undercard in an eight man tag, yes, he is.

01:16:51.034 --> 01:16:56.784
[SPEAKER_01]: But like why why is the anniversary show the junior showcase of this.

01:16:56.804 --> 01:17:00.791
[SPEAKER_02]: He can out of their own way with making the junior if their own separate shows all the time.

01:17:01.211 --> 01:17:08.624
[SPEAKER_01]: I know, and that's fine, but like, as is sort of sometimes I enjoy it, because they get more time and that's it.

01:17:08.865 --> 01:17:09.606
[SPEAKER_01]: But like,

01:17:10.750 --> 01:17:14.594
[SPEAKER_01]: The anniversary show is so many, I don't know.

01:17:14.954 --> 01:17:15.955
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know.

01:17:16.135 --> 01:17:18.117
[SPEAKER_02]: What anniversary are they really celebrating?

01:17:18.177 --> 01:17:21.420
[SPEAKER_02]: And like what legacy are they, you know what I mean?

01:17:21.440 --> 01:17:23.002
[SPEAKER_02]: Like all the old people are gone.

01:17:23.302 --> 01:17:27.326
[SPEAKER_02]: Like having a champion, you know, it was a weird year.

01:17:27.966 --> 01:17:31.410
[SPEAKER_02]: Like last year, you're looking forward to celebrating an anniversary show.

01:17:31.890 --> 01:17:33.011
[SPEAKER_02]: See you on the counter to it.

01:17:33.692 --> 01:17:35.113
[SPEAKER_01]: But last year, what did they do?

01:17:35.133 --> 01:17:37.095
[SPEAKER_01]: They did was that was that the,

01:17:37.987 --> 01:17:43.274
[SPEAKER_01]: Go to Nagata match or was it go to Nagata match or was it Tana Hashie?

01:17:44.316 --> 01:17:46.479
[SPEAKER_02]: No, I think Tana Hashie was at Stone's February.

01:17:49.503 --> 01:17:51.426
[SPEAKER_02]: Either way, they leveraged Goto.

01:17:52.367 --> 01:17:58.575
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, Goto, Goto was a guy that they used, gave him a couple of defenses like one by one by one.

01:17:58.656 --> 01:18:03.562
[SPEAKER_02]: Like he was back and there were like, look, people were into what was doing and he could go.

01:18:03.622 --> 01:18:04.804
[SPEAKER_02]: So they were there for it.

01:18:05.999 --> 01:18:08.221
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, all right, next match up.

01:18:08.561 --> 01:18:25.476
[SPEAKER_02]: This one didn't make a whole lot of sense to me until I realized that Jordan over in Alec Price, who challenged Kuchita in El Desparado are going to be part of, Desparado's death match invitation on Vegas and this was kind of an opportunity for people to see who they are.

01:18:25.496 --> 01:18:35.365
[SPEAKER_02]: I think they have potential, I think one, if not both of them and the best of the super juniors this year,

01:18:35.733 --> 01:18:44.676
[SPEAKER_02]: it's a strong possibility, but they felt like this should have been the first match on the card, not the fourth match on the card.

01:18:44.696 --> 01:18:52.375
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, they probably placed it in honor of Elvis Rotto being, you know, that level of draw.

01:18:52.507 --> 01:19:04.361
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, but otherwise, like everybody was good, but it felt like two indie guys wrestling to the best junior heavyweight from the world to like literal legends.

01:19:04.421 --> 01:19:04.841
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

01:19:04.861 --> 01:19:05.542
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

01:19:05.562 --> 01:19:06.864
[SPEAKER_02]: And then, well, that's what it was.

01:19:07.084 --> 01:19:08.085
[SPEAKER_01]: That's what it was.

01:19:08.185 --> 01:19:09.527
[SPEAKER_02]: It felt like that.

01:19:09.607 --> 01:19:20.860
[SPEAKER_02]: But I don't mean it to be diminutive or demeaning it just, yeah, when you see the talent up and down this card, this does stick out like a sore

01:19:20.840 --> 01:19:35.540
[SPEAKER_02]: good that you're giving young guys an opportunity, uh, I'm just, there were a lot of things they did right on this show and making sure that you spotlighted new young talent that people have seen might not have been the priority to be.

01:19:36.902 --> 01:19:37.162
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.

01:19:38.203 --> 01:19:43.911
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, yeah, I mean, this was, it was a mechanism to announce that these two guys are going to be at Despis Show.

01:19:44.414 --> 01:19:45.755
[SPEAKER_02]: Absolutely.

01:19:45.976 --> 01:19:54.044
[SPEAKER_02]: And if you are a fan of them, I thought they were originally from Britain and Brad was able to correct me and tell me that they were in G.C.W.

01:19:54.104 --> 01:19:58.829
[SPEAKER_02]: and various opera motions in the U.S. and that's where they got their start.

01:19:59.430 --> 01:19:59.970
[SPEAKER_02]: Good for them.

01:20:00.471 --> 01:20:02.333
[SPEAKER_02]: I am glad that they got their the opportunity.

01:20:02.433 --> 01:20:04.415
[SPEAKER_02]: I hope they make the best of this opportunity.

01:20:04.755 --> 01:20:12.463
[SPEAKER_02]: They still have a lot of growing and experience that they need to get to the level that I am ready to watch them all the time.

01:20:15.481 --> 01:20:16.021
[SPEAKER_02]: Here we go.

01:20:16.062 --> 01:20:33.177
[SPEAKER_02]: We have a Niger-pan world television title, championship match between Elfantazmo and Kenos Kitikashida and if anyone has been paying attention to these TV title matches, they have a 15-minute time limit draw and usually that time limit draw is adhered to.

01:20:33.737 --> 01:20:45.488
[SPEAKER_02]: Unfortunately, these two individuals have wrestled to a 15-minute draw in the past and decided

01:20:45.468 --> 01:21:10.210
[SPEAKER_02]: He and Dumb Babyfage fashion mode invited to cash out for five more minutes, in which to cash should have emerged for a few, and then he came back out, and then wrestled the way he should have wrestled for the first 15 minutes, but saving all his moves, Proceeded to do have an excellent three minute match in which he defeated El Fantasco, and we have a new,

01:21:10.190 --> 01:21:21.928
[SPEAKER_02]: and JPW TV champion so that Kenos get to Kesha to get beyond all of your free YouTube with all the free NutriPan TV matches for everyone to see.

01:21:22.289 --> 01:21:23.591
[SPEAKER_02]: I see the plan here.

01:21:23.611 --> 01:21:26.275
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't have a problem with it.

01:21:26.255 --> 01:21:37.504
[SPEAKER_01]: I, you know, my first thought was he went from world title to TV title and then you then and then you have the thought like, oh, they give those matches away.

01:21:37.685 --> 01:21:38.225
[SPEAKER_01]: That's free.

01:21:38.345 --> 01:21:39.306
[SPEAKER_01]: That's marketing, right?

01:21:39.366 --> 01:21:39.886
[SPEAKER_01]: It's brilliant.

01:21:40.567 --> 01:21:42.669
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, I hate the extension, right?

01:21:42.709 --> 01:21:44.390
[SPEAKER_01]: I think time limits or time limits.

01:21:44.410 --> 01:21:49.895
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, but I might have a run in here in a second.

01:21:50.615 --> 01:21:50.715
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

01:21:50.735 --> 01:21:56.160
[SPEAKER_01]: And I had a run out of my wallet if I didn't

01:21:57.828 --> 01:21:59.891
[SPEAKER_01]: I was I'm annoyed by that.

01:21:59.951 --> 01:22:15.933
[SPEAKER_01]: I think they should just had to catch the win, but I, you know, I like I like given to catch a reason to still be around and to still be sort of a focus in in New Japan and I think that, you know, the the free match.

01:22:17.075 --> 01:22:19.178
[SPEAKER_01]: He will represent New Japan well.

01:22:19.158 --> 01:22:30.695
[SPEAKER_02]: So I appreciate that to catch the new master of the time limit draw, it seems that all of its matches and in time limit draw, and now you have to have other matches because of those time limit draws.

01:22:31.176 --> 01:22:37.765
[SPEAKER_02]: It seems like a crutch that you might not want to lean on forever if I were booking to catch the.

01:22:38.146 --> 01:22:45.297
[SPEAKER_01]: Not if you not if you're getting them into the the big title scenes again, those are 16 minutes.

01:22:45.557 --> 01:22:47.680
[SPEAKER_01]: That's a long draw.

01:22:47.660 --> 01:22:49.845
[SPEAKER_02]: gonna gonna have to get your win back there, buddy.

01:22:50.206 --> 01:22:51.248
[SPEAKER_02]: Gonna have to get your win back.

01:22:51.930 --> 01:22:52.631
[SPEAKER_02]: All right.

01:22:52.751 --> 01:22:55.337
[SPEAKER_02]: Next one, this was a fun match.

01:22:55.397 --> 01:23:03.255
[SPEAKER_02]: We had Oscar and you know, I used to knock out brothers versus Bishop Khan and Tulliona, the Gates of Agony from AEW.

01:23:03.235 --> 01:23:05.380
[SPEAKER_02]: There's a big boy, match Chris.

01:23:05.440 --> 01:23:07.685
[SPEAKER_02]: We had the game to the agony.

01:23:07.805 --> 01:23:13.918
[SPEAKER_02]: We're in the world tag league not last year, but the year before and made quite a statement for themselves.

01:23:14.840 --> 01:23:18.789
[SPEAKER_02]: Didn't do totally successfully, but grew a lot during that tournament.

01:23:19.210 --> 01:23:21.936
[SPEAKER_02]: And I got to tell you from watching what they did,

01:23:21.916 --> 01:23:39.013
[SPEAKER_02]: all the way back then and watching how they wrestled this match here now they weren't a ton and they've come a long way and at some point these are going to be a big star tag team and when it comes to the knockout brothers.

01:23:39.702 --> 01:23:43.351
[SPEAKER_02]: They don't miss like these guys are a well-oiled machine.

01:23:43.412 --> 01:23:46.479
[SPEAKER_02]: They work exceptionally well with each other.

01:23:46.520 --> 01:23:52.014
[SPEAKER_02]: And because of that teamwork that they have, they're able to work really well with other teams as well.

01:23:52.114 --> 01:23:56.445
[SPEAKER_02]: Like the collaborative effort between these guys with

01:23:56.763 --> 01:24:17.522
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, Tahiti and she go to Umano and you, Umara and now the gates of agony like there the column and denominator here, and after a while you're wondering, well, maybe it's the other guys like now, I don't think it's the other guys at this point, you know, I think it's them, I think these are they're the real deal and this match was a joy to watch.

01:24:18.532 --> 01:24:24.928
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I think knockout brothers are really that sort of rare case of being able to literally talk people into buildings.

01:24:25.149 --> 01:24:28.658
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, they're really, I think they're really important to, to New Japan right now.

01:24:29.379 --> 01:24:32.327
[SPEAKER_01]: And, you know, with that, you get some crowd investment, right?

01:24:32.548 --> 01:24:35.916
[SPEAKER_01]: In a tag team, which is something that we,

01:24:35.896 --> 01:24:37.439
[SPEAKER_01]: We haven't seen in a little bit.

01:24:37.480 --> 01:24:39.404
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I see this comment says just want to bring this up.

01:24:39.444 --> 01:24:54.057
[SPEAKER_01]: I was at the show in the broadcast didn't capture a lot of the crowd got a point I've heard that from everyone I know who's who was at this show and there's, you know, half dozen people are so that are like, man, this crowd was hot and I'm like, they packed well, I mean, 527 hundred people there.

01:24:54.037 --> 01:25:04.466
[SPEAKER_01]: somewhere in that range that general range and like it's a good crowd, you know, home to grant, 2000 people into Trent New Jersey is not an easy task.

01:25:04.526 --> 01:25:16.717
[SPEAKER_01]: So, I mean, that's, they did great, you know, I can't, I can't say more about the production of the U.S. shows than what I said I'm keeping a strong style this week.

01:25:16.737 --> 01:25:24.043
[SPEAKER_01]: So if you want my thoughts on that, I think I, I think I, my

01:25:24.023 --> 01:25:30.191
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm so curious what they're going to do for the G1 show.

01:25:30.772 --> 01:25:37.340
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm a little nervous, but I might start asking questions because I know some folks in Chicago that can probably be helpful.

01:25:38.402 --> 01:25:40.725
[SPEAKER_01]: So maybe I can get a friend of job.

01:25:40.845 --> 01:25:45.331
[SPEAKER_01]: But anyway, yeah, I mean, knock up those are great.

01:25:45.812 --> 01:25:48.495
[SPEAKER_01]: I really like

01:25:48.475 --> 01:25:54.023
[SPEAKER_01]: gates of agony, like I really like this tag team and I really hope that they continue to grow.

01:25:54.043 --> 01:25:56.586
[SPEAKER_01]: I think that they're all in a W's very cool.

01:25:57.627 --> 01:26:04.997
[SPEAKER_01]: I think they have all the potential in the world to be to have the energy of the war Raiders, right?

01:26:05.037 --> 01:26:06.940
[SPEAKER_01]: Like that type of like

01:26:06.920 --> 01:26:12.634
[SPEAKER_01]: you know strong silent type tag team and I want to see it happen.

01:26:12.734 --> 01:26:14.298
[SPEAKER_01]: So and that they've done the work.

01:26:14.618 --> 01:26:22.858
[SPEAKER_01]: Like I love I love a tag team or I love a wrestler that is just like clearly done the work and you've seen the growth trajectory and finally they get the chance.

01:26:22.918 --> 01:26:25.384
[SPEAKER_01]: Because there's so many wrestlers in the world that

01:26:25.364 --> 01:26:36.838
[SPEAKER_01]: In the world, especially in major companies, especially like the really big three companies, you know, WWE, AEW and New Japan, where like wherever you were slotted on day one is sort of where you live forever.

01:26:36.898 --> 01:26:46.290
[SPEAKER_01]: And these guys are showing that if you continue to, to, you know, build yourself up, you can get a different slot without a big, you know, gimmick change.

01:26:46.790 --> 01:26:48.012
[SPEAKER_01]: So, you know, it was cool.

01:26:48.032 --> 01:26:50.595
[SPEAKER_01]: It was cool to see them pop up here and do a good job.

01:26:51.402 --> 01:27:02.584
[SPEAKER_02]: When I first saw them at the announcement at the show, I think by the end of the new beginning show that they after their match were they popped up on the video, it was like, oh, really.

01:27:03.024 --> 01:27:04.668
[SPEAKER_02]: And then like, you know, I'm not mad at that at all.

01:27:05.149 --> 01:27:05.690
[SPEAKER_02]: It's fine.

01:27:06.110 --> 01:27:07.453
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it's all the way.

01:27:08.108 --> 01:27:11.192
[SPEAKER_02]: Of all the tag team today, you know, this is one of them I'd be cool.

01:27:11.252 --> 01:27:16.440
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, and they showed up, they hit hard, like they gave us good as they got.

01:27:16.680 --> 01:27:23.169
[SPEAKER_02]: And I felt like they got to have the match that they wish that they could have on a big WW paper field.

01:27:23.690 --> 01:27:24.150
[SPEAKER_02]: You know what I mean?

01:27:24.170 --> 01:27:31.220
[SPEAKER_02]: Like this is their opportunity to do that 15 minute match that they don't get an opportunity to do because there's so many mouths to feed.

01:27:31.861 --> 01:27:34.605
[SPEAKER_02]: Some of these other shows.

01:27:35.851 --> 01:27:42.462
[SPEAKER_02]: We got Sherry versus Athena and there were people that are arguing that this was the match of the night on this show.

01:27:42.482 --> 01:27:47.711
[SPEAKER_02]: I didn't necessarily feel that way, but I did think it was very much exceptional.

01:27:48.192 --> 01:27:54.503
[SPEAKER_02]: I think Athena, when she come to the Negepan, ring is a fantastic addition.

01:27:54.643 --> 01:28:01.875
[SPEAKER_02]: And I think Sherry, since she won the title, and actually since before she won the title,

01:28:01.855 --> 01:28:03.938
[SPEAKER_02]: proven her worth time and time again.

01:28:03.958 --> 01:28:13.731
[SPEAKER_02]: And I thought that this match with it back and forth was its mission work with the post match play of challenging for Athena's ring of honor world championship.

01:28:14.372 --> 01:28:20.640
[SPEAKER_02]: It made the women's division feel just a little bit bigger than it did before the match started.

01:28:21.380 --> 01:28:23.402
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I think in the ring, it was great.

01:28:23.582 --> 01:28:27.826
[SPEAKER_01]: My only drawback on this match is that I didn't see a vision for Athena to win, right?

01:28:27.846 --> 01:28:32.610
[SPEAKER_01]: I didn't see where that could even possibly go, or why that would be the case.

01:28:33.151 --> 01:28:37.555
[SPEAKER_01]: And some of that's just like overthinking the booking and thought it out of us, sort of a thing.

01:28:38.555 --> 01:28:43.600
[SPEAKER_01]: But I just like, I didn't see where that could go, but like the nuts and bolts of this match were great.

01:28:43.820 --> 01:28:51.387
[SPEAKER_01]: And I bought, you know, I bought into the finishes and the near falls and that's sort of the trick, right?

01:28:51.367 --> 01:28:55.556
[SPEAKER_01]: that it's very hard to get that seed of doubt planted on a title change.

01:28:55.897 --> 01:28:58.904
[SPEAKER_01]: You have to work really hard to plant seeds out and they did it.

01:28:59.746 --> 01:29:02.051
[SPEAKER_01]: They, and they definitely had the crowd.

01:29:02.472 --> 01:29:06.000
[SPEAKER_01]: They had the crowd right right where they wanted them.

01:29:06.925 --> 01:29:10.128
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, Athena's cool when she pops up in New Japan.

01:29:10.608 --> 01:29:15.232
[SPEAKER_01]: She's like, you know, I mean, she has a reputation of being reckless already.

01:29:16.273 --> 01:29:20.257
[SPEAKER_01]: But like, that's just sort of how wrestling happens in Japan.

01:29:20.397 --> 01:29:24.060
[SPEAKER_01]: So it's, it's okay, it's like slide right in.

01:29:24.120 --> 01:29:25.702
[SPEAKER_01]: I think that's what it works, right?

01:29:25.762 --> 01:29:29.726
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, I don't know, it's, you know, you hate to call it reckless.

01:29:29.806 --> 01:29:30.506
[SPEAKER_01]: I know that it's all.

01:29:30.526 --> 01:29:31.247
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, take a seat.

01:29:31.267 --> 01:29:32.608
[SPEAKER_02]: You're among friends.

01:29:32.688 --> 01:29:33.029
[SPEAKER_01]: Come on.

01:29:33.069 --> 01:29:36.932
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean, like, but she fits.

01:29:36.912 --> 01:30:01.013
[SPEAKER_01]: She's it's it's it's clunky in the right ways in Japan, and it's clunky and sometimes clunky in the wrong ways in the US if that makes sense Because I think You know, rest was like Siri like they know how to recover when something goes a little wacky or something doesn't it just right and I think that that's why I like those Matt I like those matches I like matches that look real.

01:30:01.354 --> 01:30:06.278
[SPEAKER_01]: I know it's crazy, but like I if I wanted to watch dancers I would watch dancing

01:30:06.258 --> 01:30:10.336
[SPEAKER_01]: Like I like when things get a little goofy and they've got to be a little creative.

01:30:10.376 --> 01:30:12.807
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, like that's the joy of the art for wrestling.

01:30:12.888 --> 01:30:15.238
[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, it's good.

01:30:15.961 --> 01:30:40.602
[SPEAKER_02]: Uh, we have after that, the main event, which was Yoda Fuji, defending his IWGP global heavyweight championship against Andrade Elito L in I believe Andrade's first single snatch, no, second single snatch in New Japan, but his first New Japan in America, because he wrestled Gabe Kid for this wrestling opportunity.

01:30:40.582 --> 01:30:41.804
[SPEAKER_02]: I like this match a lot.

01:30:41.984 --> 01:30:43.987
[SPEAKER_02]: It was a proper main event match.

01:30:44.067 --> 01:30:50.015
[SPEAKER_02]: The best compliment I can give it Chris is that this is actually an IWGP world heavyweight title match.

01:30:50.335 --> 01:30:51.537
[SPEAKER_02]: It was wrestled that way.

01:30:51.557 --> 01:30:57.305
[SPEAKER_02]: It was wrestled like the like the, like, the were two main event guide wrestling for a main event title.

01:30:58.566 --> 01:31:05.896
[SPEAKER_02]: And it wasn't for that title, but it very well could have been given the level of main event.

01:31:06.036 --> 01:31:08.800
[SPEAKER_02]: And both guys both conveyed.

01:31:08.999 --> 01:31:13.785
[SPEAKER_02]: Within the match with the back and forth, you ought to see if you've done really, really well.

01:31:15.707 --> 01:31:22.736
[SPEAKER_02]: Showing off like the gene blaster and the boxing crab and all of these move, they're really trying to get over.

01:31:24.158 --> 01:31:31.547
[SPEAKER_02]: Since he's big wrestling kingdom win and trying to position himself as the guy and then draw day he has.

01:31:31.865 --> 01:31:37.453
[SPEAKER_02]: He has the charisma and the poise of being a main event challenger.

01:31:37.873 --> 01:31:47.767
[SPEAKER_02]: Like he has wrestled worldwide in such a way for the last three or four months since he's been allowed to by WWE after the contract issue.

01:31:48.408 --> 01:31:51.232
[SPEAKER_02]: He's wrestled like he doesn't have any more chances left.

01:31:51.252 --> 01:31:58.041
[SPEAKER_02]: And if he's gonna make his name in the world, it's now or never, and he's going for the now.

01:31:58.190 --> 01:32:06.881
[SPEAKER_02]: and he may not be winning the world titles and he may not be being put in a position to be the front guy for all of these promotions.

01:32:07.261 --> 01:32:22.560
[SPEAKER_02]: But I'll tell you what, he keeps wrestling like this, it won't be long before he's given even more opportunities to be the guy because he's got it all and between these two, it was one of the best main events that I think I've seen in recent

01:32:22.861 --> 01:32:37.734
[SPEAKER_02]: clean finish, strong wrestling, long engaging, all the things that I think are important to convey that a world title or even a world champion is important with conveyed by Yoda Fuji in this match.

01:32:37.754 --> 01:32:52.868
[SPEAKER_02]: And again, it wasn't for the world title for the global heavyweight title, but I cannot stress to you enough how much I felt like Yoda Fuji wrestles

01:32:52.848 --> 01:32:59.697
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I agree with everything you said except that I hated the finish.

01:33:01.039 --> 01:33:02.181
[SPEAKER_01]: You didn't like the Boston Crab?

01:33:02.702 --> 01:33:05.966
[SPEAKER_01]: I love Suji using the Boston Crab.

01:33:06.807 --> 01:33:11.093
[SPEAKER_01]: I think that should be his finish for New Japan guys.

01:33:11.748 --> 01:33:17.715
[SPEAKER_01]: guys who came up in the dojo, or guys who came up in a Japanese dojo, right?

01:33:17.795 --> 01:33:19.778
[SPEAKER_01]: It was appropriate with with to catch the two.

01:33:20.419 --> 01:33:29.650
[SPEAKER_01]: I think that with a guy like Andrade tapping out to Boston Crab, it just felt different to like it felt like a it felt forced.

01:33:30.271 --> 01:33:32.593
[SPEAKER_01]: Like I'm really trying to get this thing over.

01:33:33.234 --> 01:33:34.796
[SPEAKER_01]: So can you help me brother, right?

01:33:34.856 --> 01:33:39.662
[SPEAKER_01]: Like I wanted that match to end with a gene blast and a pin.

01:33:39.642 --> 01:33:50.295
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, and I want him then to come back to Japan and wrestle someone with history and Japan, more history and Japan, not that, and dry has got history everywhere in various ways.

01:33:51.116 --> 01:33:57.864
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, I want, and I, I want there to sort of be those two distinct lanes of what finish he uses.

01:33:58.725 --> 01:34:00.867
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, and that's just a vibes thing for me.

01:34:01.808 --> 01:34:01.908
[SPEAKER_01]: Sure.

01:34:01.928 --> 01:34:08.316
[SPEAKER_01]: I, I get that they're trying to establish

01:34:08.296 --> 01:34:18.166
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, but it just didn't feel like the right place for it.

01:34:18.266 --> 01:34:21.529
[SPEAKER_01]: And it felt like if it was the right place, they didn't build to it.

01:34:21.850 --> 01:34:24.712
[SPEAKER_01]: So you didn't go for the Boston crab that whole match.

01:34:24.732 --> 01:34:26.774
[SPEAKER_01]: She wasn't like hunting for that Boston crab.

01:34:27.055 --> 01:34:29.237
[SPEAKER_01]: He just got it at the end and then undraught.

01:34:29.257 --> 01:34:34.822
[SPEAKER_01]: I tapped out and that's just it just didn't quite land with me.

01:34:35.503 --> 01:34:37.425
[SPEAKER_01]: Everything else landed with me.

01:34:37.726 --> 01:34:58.741
[SPEAKER_02]: I will say, I see where you're coming from and I will counter that perhaps because of the Andrade involvement, being at Wrestle Kingdom, being at the new beginnings in Osoca, Yoda Suji showing him respect after Maddoz over that there was kind of in Yoda Suji's mind.

01:34:58.801 --> 01:35:03.649
[SPEAKER_02]: He kind of saw Andrade as a new Japan guy and gave him that finish.

01:35:04.692 --> 01:35:13.240
[SPEAKER_02]: out of like the respect and the difference of like you have seen that the Nutri-Pan way is the best way and I'm going to show it to you.

01:35:13.560 --> 01:35:34.699
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm not saying that's supposed to change your mind, but from like a philosophical kind of, he has made that clear that the IWGP World Heavyweight title is not going to defend it unless it's in the main event or if Kagank's a guy who's done their

01:35:34.679 --> 01:36:04.399
[SPEAKER_02]: Is it like they're just trying to put the power portrayed by Yoda Fuji when they just that's the directive going forward by the company probably but it's good to have Yoda Fuji be the guy saying those things as the champion and then being the flag bear and being the leader the locker room leader the whole thing it's like yeah you get respect you were the one that came in here and like did it the New Japan way and we're here and

01:36:04.379 --> 01:36:10.913
[SPEAKER_02]: That might have been a little bit more k-fave breaking k-fave all that because even in drawing it looks like

01:36:11.078 --> 01:36:15.504
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, okay, then you know what I mean, I keep walking away into the back and he's like, all right.

01:36:15.645 --> 01:36:18.669
[SPEAKER_02]: And then, you know, you can knock me over the feather.

01:36:18.689 --> 01:36:30.586
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, the food you come out and cut to perfectly clear promo, English, think in the crowd, talk about New Japan being the best, take your photos that everyone around the ring, given the energy and Mike.

01:36:30.767 --> 01:36:32.229
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, this guy can be the guy.

01:36:32.269 --> 01:36:34.572
[SPEAKER_02]: And it made me so happy.

01:36:37.319 --> 01:36:40.362
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, I mean, I did, yeah, I like that's great.

01:36:40.462 --> 01:36:42.965
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, I mean, all I need is somebody being positioned.

01:36:43.486 --> 01:36:50.714
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, it's like someone that, you know, I'm the one in the front, like I am the winner of the pack.

01:36:51.475 --> 01:37:01.065
[SPEAKER_02]: And he may not be everyone's deputy, but if he stand into the role and face it till he makes it and better than never making it at all.

01:37:02.024 --> 01:37:05.433
[SPEAKER_01]: I agree.

01:37:06.115 --> 01:37:09.544
[SPEAKER_01]: We've all, I mean, we've all been begging for them to just pick one, right?

01:37:09.985 --> 01:37:12.913
[SPEAKER_01]: Just pick one and they did and they have and sushi.

01:37:14.056 --> 01:37:17.164
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and I and I get it and I like the.

01:37:17.650 --> 01:37:21.257
[SPEAKER_01]: I, I like the, like I said, I like the idea of the finish.

01:37:21.457 --> 01:37:25.364
[SPEAKER_01]: I just didn't think this was right place where I like when wrestlers use different finishes.

01:37:26.205 --> 01:37:31.515
[SPEAKER_01]: Also, right, like that's like just like a thing I know about myself, it's why I like Cody so much.

01:37:31.535 --> 01:37:33.178
[SPEAKER_01]: He just like, you especially.

01:37:33.158 --> 01:37:41.786
[SPEAKER_01]: You know what it is like doing random stuff and sometimes the match ends and I think that that's good Otherwise this match was incredible.

01:37:41.966 --> 01:37:58.941
[SPEAKER_01]: They were great and Suji nailed the English promo at the end I mean like he had that that was the most impressive piece to me about Suji and I'm coming around on Suji I think you probably know I'm not I'm not the biggest Suji's not my god at least I have your heart.

01:37:59.061 --> 01:38:03.165
[SPEAKER_01]: I know yeah, yeah, Suji's not my guy and that's okay

01:38:03.145 --> 01:38:29.794
[SPEAKER_02]: Does anybody have to get to your guy where he needs to be he's absolutely he has to be that has to be the story right job this year That's a job if to make being I WGP champion a goal to attain and an almost impossible one to reach and Yeah, somebody finally does this year or maybe at rest looking them next year It's going to be a moment because Yoda Fuji will have been the man for so long

01:38:30.601 --> 01:38:31.842
[SPEAKER_01]: I hope that.

01:38:31.862 --> 01:38:32.543
[SPEAKER_01]: I hope to.

01:38:33.104 --> 01:38:35.647
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I hope that's the case because I think it would work, right?

01:38:35.687 --> 01:38:36.528
[SPEAKER_01]: I think it would make sense.

01:38:37.189 --> 01:38:38.310
[SPEAKER_01]: And I want things to work.

01:38:38.690 --> 01:38:42.575
[SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, the promo was great.

01:38:43.036 --> 01:38:50.825
[SPEAKER_01]: I like that Suji's finally come around on working, working a show in the US, much less putting in a ton of effort in the show in the US.

01:38:51.145 --> 01:38:59.595
[SPEAKER_01]: And I think the global world separation or the

01:39:00.115 --> 01:39:02.478
[SPEAKER_01]: the, I like, I like that idea.

01:39:02.518 --> 01:39:13.811
[SPEAKER_01]: I have so many thoughts, you know, I'm a little triggered by the fact that the intercontinental and the heavyweight never got re-separated like where are we going with this?

01:39:13.831 --> 01:39:16.034
[SPEAKER_01]: How do we get one of these belts off of sewage?

01:39:16.054 --> 01:39:18.257
[SPEAKER_02]: How do you reconcile all this and make it?

01:39:18.377 --> 01:39:18.898
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

01:39:18.918 --> 01:39:26.747
[SPEAKER_01]: There's, you know, there's a thing on this arrow pathway halfway through this.

01:39:26.879 --> 01:39:30.969
[SPEAKER_01]: defending them both at the same time, at least that's what it looks like.

01:39:31.290 --> 01:39:34.338
[SPEAKER_01]: The easier thing to do is going to be actually to get the world title off of him.

01:39:34.539 --> 01:39:37.446
[SPEAKER_01]: And then you can carry global further.

01:39:38.945 --> 01:39:42.551
[SPEAKER_01]: because then you're losing a higher stakes match, but you're still holding on one title.

01:39:42.831 --> 01:39:51.284
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know if that's the thing that they'll do, but also like I don't see, it's hard to find the off ramp for one of two titles when you're the same person.

01:39:52.206 --> 01:39:54.670
[SPEAKER_01]: And you have to be protected because you're the highest champion.

01:39:54.710 --> 01:40:00.419
[SPEAKER_01]: So that's my macro thought about sewage situation, but I do like that he's defending title separately.

01:40:00.759 --> 01:40:01.881
[SPEAKER_01]: I think that's cool.

01:40:02.097 --> 01:40:07.782
[SPEAKER_02]: I think he'll lose the global title on a pretty innocuous matchup somewhere through the run.

01:40:07.822 --> 01:40:11.626
[SPEAKER_02]: Once it's been established that like, it did win both the time.

01:40:11.826 --> 01:40:22.155
[SPEAKER_02]: So like a flookie law somewhere between like made a joy before the G1, where like you could focus on him being the IWGP champion.

01:40:22.615 --> 01:40:25.478
[SPEAKER_02]: And a guy per chasing him as that champion.

01:40:25.918 --> 01:40:28.040
[SPEAKER_02]: Without any other other stuff.

01:40:28.060 --> 01:40:32.104
[SPEAKER_02]: And once you get that global title off of him,

01:40:32.084 --> 01:40:36.917
[SPEAKER_02]: Potentially really good use in opportunity at a top level title like that.

01:40:37.498 --> 01:40:41.749
[SPEAKER_02]: I have some ideas of who that might be, but I kind of have to see you in the Newtree van Cup play out.

01:40:42.371 --> 01:40:44.035
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, before we get to that.

01:40:44.504 --> 01:40:48.928
[SPEAKER_02]: Which brings us to the newspink up after we get through the rest of the show to suit you thing.

01:40:49.309 --> 01:40:50.250
[SPEAKER_02]: I think he's the guy.

01:40:50.270 --> 01:41:01.440
[SPEAKER_02]: I think he's the guy to get us to the other two guys in your and show to Umano and you get Uemura that don't go to the three guys that they should be building a trifecta around.

01:41:01.881 --> 01:41:12.351
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, the suit you being the guy and those two guys chasing those that is the dynamic of the year and so far are nothing that I've seen that makes me think that that's not the case.

01:41:12.618 --> 01:41:14.400
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that does feel like the direction.

01:41:14.420 --> 01:41:15.882
[SPEAKER_01]: There might be a third chaser in there.

01:41:15.943 --> 01:41:20.949
[SPEAKER_01]: And then using the top right quadrant to the bracket.

01:41:22.692 --> 01:41:34.548
[SPEAKER_02]: Now, um, we'll touch on it again real quick, but Aaron Wolfe and Dawn Folley, there wasn't even perverse pleasure in being like a bad fun match to watch.

01:41:34.568 --> 01:41:38.473
[SPEAKER_02]: It was just an depressing like bad match, bad finish.

01:41:38.453 --> 01:41:44.980
[SPEAKER_02]: all the things that you don't like about House of Torture, all the things that make you frustrated about New Japan.

01:41:45.381 --> 01:41:52.749
[SPEAKER_02]: It was all encompassed in this thing and we spent about 30 minutes earlier in this show unpacking it and let's see you have anything more.

01:41:52.769 --> 01:41:54.852
[SPEAKER_02]: We can just move on to you and Great O'Con.

01:41:55.532 --> 01:41:59.036
[SPEAKER_01]: I cannot speak anymore about Aaron Wolf and Don Fale.

01:42:00.238 --> 01:42:04.483
[SPEAKER_02]: Fale, oh, oh, very Christmas.

01:42:04.503 --> 01:42:08.427
[SPEAKER_02]: We had a you get we were in Great O'Con, started out slow.

01:42:08.980 --> 01:42:26.635
[SPEAKER_02]: but ended up being a strong, strong campaign for you, Uemura, showing, showing resolve to get past Great O'Con, who really tried to bully him into submission for the majority of this match.

01:42:26.615 --> 01:42:32.144
[SPEAKER_02]: Uh, your baby face energy as Stephen Conway will say he gets frustrated with you.

01:42:32.164 --> 01:42:37.092
[SPEAKER_02]: We are up because he cuts the same promo after his batches, whether he wins or he loses.

01:42:37.573 --> 01:42:38.354
[SPEAKER_02]: But I will say this.

01:42:38.594 --> 01:42:44.144
[SPEAKER_02]: I thought he cut a different promo this time, where he even admitted he's not good at promos.

01:42:44.224 --> 01:42:48.350
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, but yeah, he said it right in the fire and and move forward.

01:42:48.370 --> 01:42:51.696
[SPEAKER_02]: So, Stephen, if you're listening, I don't know if you're validated or not.

01:42:51.836 --> 01:42:53.078
[SPEAKER_02]: But, uh,

01:42:53.058 --> 01:42:53.939
[SPEAKER_02]: his promo.

01:42:53.999 --> 01:42:55.521
[SPEAKER_02]: I tried to pay attention just for you.

01:42:56.122 --> 01:42:57.263
[SPEAKER_02]: This is a good match.

01:42:57.443 --> 01:43:00.828
[SPEAKER_02]: I think you is going really, really far in this tournament.

01:43:01.208 --> 01:43:04.752
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm not ready to say he's primed to win it, although from your sport of pro wrestling, uh, data, and appear again.

01:43:04.773 --> 01:43:13.243
[SPEAKER_02]: A lot of people believe that you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you,

01:43:13.662 --> 01:43:22.978
[SPEAKER_01]: And, and the Japanese pull, they both, they both fans on both sides of the ocean picked you and we're at a win this tournament.

01:43:23.019 --> 01:43:35.721
[SPEAKER_01]: So, and I don't know if that's, you know, trying to speak it into existence or the belief of what's actually going to happen, but he has, he has the fan support.

01:43:36.241 --> 01:43:40.946
[SPEAKER_01]: And I think people are ready for him to win a New Japan cup.

01:43:41.948 --> 01:43:50.237
[SPEAKER_01]: If that's where, if that's where we're headed, I don't know that they would be ready for him to win like a G1, right?

01:43:50.277 --> 01:44:01.050
[SPEAKER_01]: I think those are very, very different sentiments with fan base, but people are like, sure, give him, you know, elevate him to that level.

01:44:01.831 --> 01:44:04.594
[SPEAKER_01]: Now I picked him to win,

01:44:05.097 --> 01:44:06.118
[SPEAKER_01]: on my official ticket.

01:44:06.719 --> 01:44:07.039
[SPEAKER_01]: I did.

01:44:07.059 --> 01:44:07.940
[SPEAKER_01]: I picked him to win.

01:44:07.960 --> 01:44:19.492
[SPEAKER_01]: I would prefer to be wrong because I want him to go to the final and establish himself as a guy that is credible threat and then I want him to go.

01:44:19.512 --> 01:44:22.295
[SPEAKER_02]: And then he go and went to the G1 goes down that he won him go.

01:44:22.756 --> 01:44:27.281
[SPEAKER_01]: So yes, because now you're thinking of him in that way because here's the other thing.

01:44:27.601 --> 01:44:31.425
[SPEAKER_01]: I think Yoda Suji is the guy to say,

01:44:31.405 --> 01:44:41.915
[SPEAKER_01]: No, the G1 winner takes their title shot at Russell Kingdom and he said, you know, he's the guy that puts things back where they're supposed to go, right?

01:44:42.095 --> 01:44:43.696
[SPEAKER_01]: We've got the title backwards.

01:44:43.756 --> 01:44:46.539
[SPEAKER_01]: We've got the the belt that everyone likes back.

01:44:46.999 --> 01:44:50.342
[SPEAKER_01]: We've got the lineage restored, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera.

01:44:50.362 --> 01:44:53.505
[SPEAKER_01]: Like he's the guy that's doing all of this repair work on New Japan.

01:44:53.885 --> 01:45:01.092
[SPEAKER_01]: And the last two years, the G1 winner

01:45:02.287 --> 01:45:07.717
[SPEAKER_01]: So he's going to be the guy if he's still the champion and I think he, I think this is a really good chance that he will be.

01:45:07.758 --> 01:45:15.613
[SPEAKER_01]: He's he's the guy that will say I want the G one winner at the dopest.

01:45:15.633 --> 01:45:21.544
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, right, and then and it's one of those like it's another one of those new Japan fan moments where like.

01:45:21.929 --> 01:45:23.431
[SPEAKER_01]: the nature is healing, right?

01:45:23.491 --> 01:45:26.475
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, yeah, we've got four months where you get to anticipate this.

01:45:26.515 --> 01:45:29.879
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, the faith off that you've been waiting for.

01:45:30.099 --> 01:45:36.286
[SPEAKER_01]: But I think it only works if it's someone important to Suji's path and Suji's history.

01:45:36.567 --> 01:45:51.565
[SPEAKER_01]: And the most important person in this company to Suji's path and Suji's history is you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you

01:45:51.545 --> 01:45:54.630
[SPEAKER_01]: He's a unique wrestler when he gets a chance to be.

01:45:54.650 --> 01:45:59.837
[SPEAKER_01]: He didn't get a chance to be much in this match because Grito Khan was in control for most of it.

01:46:00.739 --> 01:46:05.526
[SPEAKER_01]: I have strong feelings about Grito Khan's performances in the last couple of years.

01:46:05.586 --> 01:46:07.809
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm really out on Grito Khan.

01:46:08.290 --> 01:46:09.792
[SPEAKER_02]: If you're on my book, we're checked out.

01:46:10.673 --> 01:46:14.599
[SPEAKER_01]: I think he's a sandbag and I think he's upset that there's guys passing him.

01:46:15.068 --> 01:46:17.033
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, and that's I'm projecting that.

01:46:17.193 --> 01:46:20.321
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know anything, but he wrestles that way.

01:46:20.942 --> 01:46:25.453
[SPEAKER_02]: He wrestles, he'd wrestled a bit like his feeling is what it is.

01:46:25.513 --> 01:46:27.298
[SPEAKER_02]: And so he's not getting any further.

01:46:27.358 --> 01:46:28.480
[SPEAKER_02]: That would be going to wrestle it.

01:46:29.102 --> 01:46:31.187
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, so perpetuating prophecy.

01:46:31.437 --> 01:46:33.920
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's a great way to put it.

01:46:34.041 --> 01:46:41.331
[SPEAKER_01]: So, so putting you in there with him is not as exciting as his next match, which is against Drillin Maloney, which I think is gonna rock.

01:46:41.791 --> 01:46:45.496
[SPEAKER_01]: So, but yeah, I mean, that's my overall vision.

01:46:45.877 --> 01:46:54.128
[SPEAKER_01]: And like I said, like I think I got, I might have gotten caught up in the hullabaloo of all the people picking you in, being like, oh, I better get in on it, he's my boy.

01:46:55.290 --> 01:46:57.733
[SPEAKER_01]: But I hope something different happens.

01:46:57.773 --> 01:47:01.258
[SPEAKER_01]: And then the G1 is his big moment.

01:47:01.238 --> 01:47:02.722
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so I would take it.

01:47:03.524 --> 01:47:05.870
[SPEAKER_01]: I but because if he wins the cup, he's not winning the G1.

01:47:05.910 --> 01:47:14.993
[SPEAKER_01]: They don't I that would be stunning They really don't go that that Yeah, so I'm with you.

01:47:15.173 --> 01:47:17.138
[SPEAKER_02]: I kind of thought there'd be someone

01:47:17.118 --> 01:47:25.609
[SPEAKER_02]: Elf winning the new Japan cup, but you get so close, the people are like, I wanted it so bad, and I didn't get it.

01:47:26.010 --> 01:47:29.454
[SPEAKER_02]: That when the G1 come up around, he becomes a defacto favorite.

01:47:29.734 --> 01:47:30.035
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

01:47:30.055 --> 01:47:35.041
[SPEAKER_02]: In which, and as he looked at that first nine of the G1, you know, like people are making babies.

01:47:35.161 --> 01:47:36.283
[SPEAKER_02]: That night, you know what I mean?

01:47:36.303 --> 01:47:39.727
[SPEAKER_02]: I can't give you little heat storms.

01:47:40.148 --> 01:47:41.049
[SPEAKER_02]: Little heat storms.

01:47:41.089 --> 01:47:43.352
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, oh, he blocked the first nine of the G1.

01:47:43.372 --> 01:47:44.454
[SPEAKER_02]: It's happening.

01:47:44.594 --> 01:47:45.555
[SPEAKER_01]: Let's go and down.

01:47:46.379 --> 01:47:53.117
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, you go against someone who's like, yeah, you have to come to the better chance of getting into the like the finals and it's like, you know, true.

01:47:53.318 --> 01:48:02.262
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, yeah, maybe they like to like to give you that sense of like you got to hold a climb and of course.

01:48:02.242 --> 01:48:03.844
[SPEAKER_02]: He is the first three.

01:48:04.444 --> 01:48:05.766
[SPEAKER_02]: You can move the first three.

01:48:05.866 --> 01:48:08.729
[SPEAKER_02]: Make the run be the last guy in the block.

01:48:08.889 --> 01:48:11.652
[SPEAKER_02]: And yeah, just I'm going to roll around all the way to the final.

01:48:12.032 --> 01:48:12.493
[SPEAKER_01]: It's magic.

01:48:12.533 --> 01:48:13.294
[SPEAKER_02]: Like he's there.

01:48:13.314 --> 01:48:16.137
[SPEAKER_02]: And I in my mind, that's what you do.

01:48:16.237 --> 01:48:17.038
[SPEAKER_02]: You have showed it.

01:48:17.118 --> 01:48:20.041
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, you know, when the cup, again, you.

01:48:20.361 --> 01:48:20.882
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, you Murrow.

01:48:21.262 --> 01:48:21.542
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

01:48:21.562 --> 01:48:25.907
[SPEAKER_02]: And then we have this go and faith all the years here to see.

01:48:25.927 --> 01:48:26.848
[SPEAKER_02]: Do you agree?

01:48:28.313 --> 01:48:39.264
[SPEAKER_02]: Theoretically, he loses, but there's something to this that ends up being Yoda Fuji and Yoda Umano for the global title and dominion.

01:48:39.284 --> 01:48:55.620
[SPEAKER_02]: And that's how Shiro Umano ended up with the global title, freeing Yoda Fuji, giving Yoda Umano his first single title, being Consequential in some way, shape, or form,

01:48:55.600 --> 01:49:17.372
[SPEAKER_02]: And at the same time, you're building up that Yota Fuji versus Yu-Yu-Yu-Yu-Yu-Yu-Yu-Yu-Yu-Yu-Yu-Yu-Yu-Yu-Yu-Yu-Yu-Yu-Yu-Yu-Yu-Yu-Yu-Yu-Yu-Yu-Yu-Yu-Yu-Yu-Yu-Yu-Yu-Yu-Yu-Yu-Yu-Yu-Yu-Yu-Yu-Yu-Yu-Yu-Yu-Yu-Yu-Yu-Yu-Yu-Yu-Yu-Yu-Yu-Yu-Yu-Yu-Yu-Yu-Yu-Yu-Yu-Yu-Yu-Yu-Yu-Yu-Yu-Yu-Yu

01:49:18.584 --> 01:49:19.806
[SPEAKER_01]: time, let me draw.

01:49:20.267 --> 01:49:24.374
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, that's probably that's probably the way that's probably because then soon she's like, no, you couldn't be me in an hour.

01:49:24.414 --> 01:49:26.197
[SPEAKER_01]: Why would you want to do whatever?

01:49:26.498 --> 01:49:33.189
[SPEAKER_01]: And then they go, they run it back and he's like, fine, take a shot for the white belt, which is lesser than and then Umino wins.

01:49:34.151 --> 01:49:35.232
[SPEAKER_01]: I think I'm I'm into that.

01:49:35.253 --> 01:49:36.334
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm into that.

01:49:37.056 --> 01:49:37.577
[SPEAKER_01]: I could watch.

01:49:37.937 --> 01:49:38.738
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, showed it.

01:49:38.799 --> 01:49:40.221
[SPEAKER_01]: We know you can go along.

01:49:40.606 --> 01:49:42.368
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, he wasn't the final one.

01:49:42.829 --> 01:49:43.450
[SPEAKER_02]: You can't come.

01:49:43.470 --> 01:49:44.170
[SPEAKER_01]: He walked to fit.

01:49:44.231 --> 01:49:45.853
[SPEAKER_02]: You like he was getting closer.

01:49:45.873 --> 01:49:51.760
[SPEAKER_01]: Like there's all of these things that's the other classic maneuver is you final one year and then you win the next year.

01:49:51.820 --> 01:49:52.501
[SPEAKER_01]: It's, yeah.

01:49:52.541 --> 01:49:55.785
[SPEAKER_02]: So, I saw Shota with third play finger.

01:49:56.045 --> 01:49:57.707
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and your new fan come pick up.

01:49:58.008 --> 01:50:06.158
[SPEAKER_02]: He was my guy from day one and it's like if you didn't fury so many people when it happens, you can go like really Shota again.

01:50:06.138 --> 01:50:12.288
[SPEAKER_01]: But I do think I think a lot of people have turned a corner just based on the tag run that he's been on.

01:50:12.328 --> 01:50:22.223
[SPEAKER_01]: I think that there's I think the show to Meno hate had gone too far and now it's back to where it belongs and it's much less than anything.

01:50:22.243 --> 01:50:24.367
[SPEAKER_01]: He's got new gear, new gear means something, right?

01:50:24.447 --> 01:50:25.428
[SPEAKER_01]: He's always got new gear though.

01:50:25.488 --> 01:50:27.051
[SPEAKER_01]: This man changes his gear when they win.

01:50:27.572 --> 01:50:29.074
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's so fancy.

01:50:29.493 --> 01:50:33.919
[SPEAKER_02]: All right, we're going to skip over the undercard from today and just get to the two main cards here.

01:50:33.980 --> 01:50:44.575
[SPEAKER_02]: We had Bowton, Norway Bowton versus Elfantazmo and I was really looking forward to this match and it delivered it exactly the way that I thought it was going to.

01:50:44.595 --> 01:50:51.585
[SPEAKER_02]: I think Elfantazmo basically wrestled yet another TV title match, the way that he wrestled this, but

01:50:51.565 --> 01:50:57.392
[SPEAKER_02]: it was good and Bolton Oleg is versatile and he can wrestle many different styles of many different guys.

01:50:58.353 --> 01:51:18.737
[SPEAKER_02]: They ended the match with a common clumsy off the top rope after a struggle and one of the funny things about the camera work in this match is that at the beginning of this sequence they were filming it with one angle so it felt like it was the far center of the ring and then for whatever reason they went to the hard camp and then you realized it was like the other

01:51:18.717 --> 01:51:30.658
[SPEAKER_02]: it was like they moved across the ring, but the way that they filmed it, they were they were just in one corner for like four minutes, but it felt like they moved to a different corner of the way that they had sold it.

01:51:31.760 --> 01:51:32.962
[SPEAKER_02]: Totally fun match.

01:51:32.982 --> 01:51:38.532
[SPEAKER_02]: It felt what I did in the poll, what I did the the pickum,

01:51:38.680 --> 01:51:41.304
[SPEAKER_02]: ELP will still TV champion.

01:51:41.344 --> 01:51:44.628
[SPEAKER_02]: So it was like, which one is going to do better?

01:51:44.708 --> 01:51:48.814
[SPEAKER_02]: The never openweight six man title or the guy with the TV title.

01:51:49.155 --> 01:51:54.923
[SPEAKER_02]: And then by the time that ended, it was one guy has the strong TV title.

01:51:55.323 --> 01:51:57.546
[SPEAKER_02]: The other one doesn't have a TV title at all.

01:51:58.087 --> 01:52:06.679
[SPEAKER_02]: And I still ended up picking Bought No Like cause when it came down to it, I thought Bought No Like versus Renderita to get to the final four was.

01:52:06.659 --> 01:52:13.930
[SPEAKER_02]: probably a stronger match and Boltonolig versus Hinari to get there seemed a lot more realistic than ELP versus Hinari.

01:52:16.093 --> 01:52:18.417
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I agree with all that.

01:52:18.457 --> 01:52:20.520
[SPEAKER_01]: This match is worth going out of your way for.

01:52:20.700 --> 01:52:21.381
[SPEAKER_01]: It was incredible.

01:52:22.282 --> 01:52:28.752
[SPEAKER_01]: It reminded me actually a lot of ELP's to catch the G1 matching cork in.

01:52:28.850 --> 01:52:34.513
[SPEAKER_01]: It just had the same like, just rock and synergy of just like going for everything.

01:52:35.095 --> 01:52:36.581
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, it is, it was awesome.

01:52:36.742 --> 01:52:37.465
[SPEAKER_01]: This match was great.

01:52:37.846 --> 01:52:39.754
[SPEAKER_01]: Really got me going this morning.

01:52:40.122 --> 01:53:01.607
[SPEAKER_02]: And it's the energy that you needed to write on a high before you get your heart broken on the next match, which was Renner Reed, versus Taiichi, this entire match, the entire layout was the heart streamed getting pulled in wanting Taiichi desperately to win this match, and he was never going to.

01:53:01.587 --> 01:53:05.959
[SPEAKER_02]: It was a math request in manipulation of the audience.

01:53:05.979 --> 01:53:10.171
[SPEAKER_02]: Tai Chi was fantastic as the baby face desperately trying to pull out this win.

01:53:11.153 --> 01:53:17.571
[SPEAKER_02]: And I don't have much to say about Rennerita other than he played his role as

01:53:18.496 --> 01:53:21.401
[SPEAKER_02]: determined by the company that that's what his job was to do.

01:53:21.421 --> 01:53:36.467
[SPEAKER_02]: He did find with the commission, but I he made the match in in many ways with the struggles that he went through trying to overcome the house of torture to overcome Renderita to overcome cheating.

01:53:36.847 --> 01:53:40.714
[SPEAKER_02]: There was a sequel clip which can't borrow came out with the whiskey bottle.

01:53:41.415 --> 01:53:43.018
[SPEAKER_02]: Took off his shirt.

01:53:42.998 --> 01:53:48.908
[SPEAKER_02]: Convent Taiichi that he was actually on his side ever so briefly, then turned on Harry briefly.

01:53:48.968 --> 01:53:50.351
[SPEAKER_02]: Harry briefly.

01:53:50.371 --> 01:53:52.374
[SPEAKER_02]: So the Ren Arena could win.

01:53:52.414 --> 01:53:59.527
[SPEAKER_02]: This is they did everything in your power to get you to pray that Taiichi was going to win.

01:53:59.547 --> 01:54:01.630
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and yet he wasn't going to.

01:54:02.031 --> 01:54:04.956
[SPEAKER_02]: It was a fine match, but it was not quite as good as the one before it.

01:54:05.105 --> 01:54:06.848
[SPEAKER_01]: I like, I liked it a lot though.

01:54:07.609 --> 01:54:07.710
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

01:54:07.730 --> 01:54:08.531
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

01:54:08.551 --> 01:54:09.453
[SPEAKER_01]: I liked it.

01:54:09.573 --> 01:54:10.855
[SPEAKER_01]: That was wrong on that.

01:54:11.056 --> 01:54:16.385
[SPEAKER_01]: This is my version of, this is my acceptable enjoyable version of a house church match.

01:54:16.886 --> 01:54:20.773
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, you got to, you got to give me multiple waves, right?

01:54:20.994 --> 01:54:23.518
[SPEAKER_01]: And, and,

01:54:24.663 --> 01:54:35.845
[SPEAKER_01]: Ty, she just feels like a guy that could possibly just like power through and win, um, obviously I was pretty sure he wasn't going to, but he's the guy.

01:54:35.945 --> 01:54:42.638
[SPEAKER_01]: He's the guy that's he's just so good at planting those seeds out and building matches in a way that are.

01:54:43.343 --> 01:54:48.911
[SPEAKER_01]: you know, believably dramatic and he just teen nailed it.

01:54:49.111 --> 01:54:54.239
[SPEAKER_01]: And you know, Narita was at Tai Chi drove the bus for this match.

01:54:54.740 --> 01:55:00.047
[SPEAKER_01]: He, you could absolutely tell he was the one who made all the decisions.

01:55:00.087 --> 01:55:01.089
[SPEAKER_01]: And they were all acceptable.

01:55:01.109 --> 01:55:08.119
[SPEAKER_01]: Like he knows how to tow that line of being like, I can get this past, whoever I need to tell what the structure of the match is going to be.

01:55:08.159 --> 01:55:10.903
[SPEAKER_01]: And I can get my opponent to agree to it.

01:55:10.883 --> 01:55:24.115
[SPEAKER_01]: But also I'm still going to look pretty good like he's really good at protecting himself in that way because ain't no one in that locker room or office protecting Tai Chi like he's the guy he's got to take care of himself and he's damn good at it.

01:55:24.215 --> 01:55:29.780
[SPEAKER_01]: So I you know if you want to see the optimal version of a current house torture match.

01:55:29.820 --> 01:55:30.841
[SPEAKER_01]: This is to me.

01:55:30.961 --> 01:55:32.723
[SPEAKER_01]: This is it on the bottle.

01:55:33.303 --> 01:55:40.890
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, like this is the model that if they followed this more often, I would be less annoyed by house the tortures presence on on all these cards.

01:55:40.870 --> 01:55:53.943
[SPEAKER_01]: Ultimately, Rhett and Rita wins, we all saw it coming, but I mean, what I will say is more people came out to help Tai Chi then came out to help Baron Wolf and, you know, there's something there.

01:55:54.223 --> 01:56:02.111
[SPEAKER_02]: There's something to that he, he knew the weirdest like, it's weird Terry like mentioned that I've heard in a while.

01:56:02.552 --> 01:56:06.996
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, like, oh, yeah, you got a big head and so nobody wanted to come out and help him like, what?

01:56:06.976 --> 01:56:09.481
[SPEAKER_02]: It's like, like, is that the right thing to say?

01:56:09.721 --> 01:56:12.567
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, where are we going with it?

01:56:12.667 --> 01:56:18.438
[SPEAKER_02]: Because if you like you're trying to mention like something that's happening in real life, maybe that I don't that.

01:56:18.558 --> 01:56:19.560
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, you know what I mean?

01:56:19.580 --> 01:56:23.969
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, you're just, sometimes they mention stuff and it's just like there's a little bit more truth to it.

01:56:24.049 --> 01:56:24.630
[SPEAKER_02]: And you're like,

01:56:25.218 --> 01:56:41.051
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, oh yeah, to me, the connection is more that like Tai Chi has these long term friends because he's been around for so long that he can tell he can ask people to be on his side and they'll they'll show up for him.

01:56:41.372 --> 01:56:43.574
[SPEAKER_01]: Whereas Aaron Wolf hasn't built those relationships yet.

01:56:43.594 --> 01:56:47.297
[SPEAKER_01]: Like that to me is like the lane to explain that away.

01:56:47.637 --> 01:56:54.583
[SPEAKER_01]: But I did find it interesting that they were willing to even sort of book the match this way after booking the other match the other way.

01:56:54.563 --> 01:56:56.346
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, they're a wolf match yesterday.

01:56:56.406 --> 01:57:01.296
[SPEAKER_02]: So, um, I'm sure they had plenty of ideas with Tomo Hiroshi, but you can kind of pull Sure.

01:57:01.316 --> 01:57:02.237
[SPEAKER_02]: Same with the same thing with the coachy.

01:57:02.257 --> 01:57:03.319
[SPEAKER_02]: Could you give us a trio team ever.

01:57:03.340 --> 01:57:03.740
[SPEAKER_02]: Same idea.

01:57:03.760 --> 01:57:03.901
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

01:57:03.921 --> 01:57:04.021
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01:57:13.679 --> 01:57:13.779
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01:57:13.799 --> 01:57:13.899
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01:57:13.919 --> 01:57:14.020
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01:57:14.040 --> 01:57:14.140
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01:57:14.160 --> 01:57:14.260
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

01:57:14.240 --> 01:57:14.841
[SPEAKER_01]: without it.

01:57:14.861 --> 01:57:18.945
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, I had a question for you on your sport of pro wrestling thing.

01:57:19.386 --> 01:57:21.388
[SPEAKER_02]: Everyone got like 14 point could this.

01:57:21.448 --> 01:57:27.114
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, you think it's not a glitch or because it's just a GMO go away edition.

01:57:27.574 --> 01:57:28.996
[SPEAKER_01]: It's in relation to that.

01:57:29.016 --> 01:57:35.303
[SPEAKER_01]: I have a plan that I can't cannot and will not share until I until I have a chance to execute it.

01:57:35.363 --> 01:57:39.167
[SPEAKER_01]: But yes, it's in relation to some people picked

01:57:39.147 --> 01:58:04.378
[SPEAKER_01]: Kojima to win the buy match and some people picked Ishi to win the match against the buy and I need to figure out how to eliminate Basically eliminate that match and my way of eliminating it right now is to just not assign a winner If you're appointed and call it a perfect yes, and remove it completely because it is kind of in Call to control it is entirely inconsequential because everyone should get the same

01:58:04.358 --> 01:58:05.700
[SPEAKER_01]: against a buy.

01:58:05.720 --> 01:58:10.065
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, unless you're really goofing around, you probably aren't picking the buy.

01:58:10.085 --> 01:58:11.106
[SPEAKER_01]: Nobody picked the buy.

01:58:11.186 --> 01:58:11.807
[SPEAKER_01]: I would know that.

01:58:12.508 --> 01:58:13.188
[SPEAKER_01]: That's good.

01:58:13.208 --> 01:58:13.609
[SPEAKER_01]: That's good.

01:58:13.629 --> 01:58:13.789
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

01:58:13.829 --> 01:58:14.790
[SPEAKER_02]: It is good.

01:58:14.810 --> 01:58:15.892
[SPEAKER_02]: That's theft of intelligence.

01:58:16.432 --> 01:58:17.213
[SPEAKER_01]: It is good.

01:58:17.473 --> 01:58:17.954
[SPEAKER_01]: It is good.

01:58:18.054 --> 01:58:19.035
[SPEAKER_01]: So, yeah.

01:58:19.095 --> 01:58:20.757
[SPEAKER_01]: So that is in relation to that.

01:58:20.817 --> 01:58:21.799
[SPEAKER_01]: So don't expect.

01:58:22.159 --> 01:58:23.721
[SPEAKER_01]: Don't expect those points to ever appear.

01:58:24.702 --> 01:58:27.145
[SPEAKER_02]: So if I just have to figure out how to make a perfect on the back.

01:58:27.245 --> 01:58:30.729
[SPEAKER_02]: Perfect like score being 14 into feature, not a bug.

01:58:31.210 --> 01:58:33.252
[SPEAKER_01]: That's the correct

01:58:33.434 --> 01:58:34.857
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, I have a perfect score.

01:58:34.897 --> 01:58:36.581
[SPEAKER_02]: You have a perfect score.

01:58:36.701 --> 01:58:39.648
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, there's a perfect score through the first round.

01:58:40.250 --> 01:58:41.332
[SPEAKER_01]: There are dozens of us.

01:58:42.715 --> 01:58:44.720
[SPEAKER_01]: There are simply 13% of us.

01:58:45.281 --> 01:58:47.025
[SPEAKER_01]: Three dozen, three dozen, give your take.

01:58:48.629 --> 01:58:50.152
[SPEAKER_01]: Do I think I'm confident?

01:58:50.593 --> 01:58:51.395
[SPEAKER_01]: No, I feel good.

01:58:51.415 --> 01:58:52.658
[SPEAKER_01]: I feel good about.

01:58:54.123 --> 01:58:55.385
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm looking at the brackets now.

01:58:55.726 --> 01:58:56.848
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yeah, they're right now.

01:58:57.008 --> 01:58:57.649
[SPEAKER_01]: There you go.

01:58:57.669 --> 01:59:07.546
[SPEAKER_01]: The only thing I'm not confident in, like almost certain with almost certain teeth is utilising Ray, Oiva.

01:59:08.267 --> 01:59:12.975
[SPEAKER_01]: That's the only match left that I think I could see really going either way.

01:59:13.715 --> 01:59:30.897
[SPEAKER_02]: Hmm, I think if you don't like because I think the real money is getting you know, I back with that emerging or anything that we we will match eventually the thing that I've always come back to what I looked at the way that this thing was laid out look that you have.

01:59:31.973 --> 01:59:39.750
[SPEAKER_02]: Three former IWGP champions are strategically placed in different parts of this bracketing.

01:59:40.111 --> 01:59:46.705
[SPEAKER_02]: You got shingo and you, yeah, you have Haroki Godo and I'm gonna go Kalam Newman.

01:59:47.166 --> 01:59:50.353
[SPEAKER_02]: And you have, go to Umino and that's Abraham.

01:59:50.333 --> 01:59:57.165
[SPEAKER_02]: All those guys are potentially gatekeepers to get to facing the current IWGP champion.

01:59:57.766 --> 02:00:02.275
[SPEAKER_02]: So, I'm leaning on Callum Newman and Shota Umino on one side.

02:00:02.315 --> 02:00:08.706
[SPEAKER_02]: Yuya Uimura and Ren Narita on the other side, so you just have the whole youth movement coming in.

02:00:08.766 --> 02:00:14.637
[SPEAKER_02]: And then you roll with Yuya and Shota at the very end, because it's not Callum Newman's time.

02:00:14.617 --> 02:00:19.343
[SPEAKER_02]: You can't really do anything with him until once he gets passed will all spread anyways.

02:00:19.884 --> 02:00:28.756
[SPEAKER_02]: So he's just kind of a weighing and weight kind of character who's going to threaten, but I don't see him at that high level just yet.

02:00:29.337 --> 02:00:32.301
[SPEAKER_02]: So you get showed it when you get weamer in the final.

02:00:32.821 --> 02:00:39.190
[SPEAKER_02]: You get showed a winning and everyone being upset that it's not you yet and you get them ready for the G1.

02:00:39.170 --> 02:00:51.022
[SPEAKER_02]: And just I felt like that was the best way to create tension in a tournament in which, you know, we got two more days of the first round plocked, tomorrow and Sunday.

02:00:51.062 --> 02:01:07.759
[SPEAKER_02]: And then we're going straight on the 10th to 12th to 13th and the 14th to the, to get to the final four and this thing is just going to be going quicker than you can believe.

02:01:07.739 --> 02:01:14.790
[SPEAKER_01]: world title previous world title holder and next generation guy will call them.

02:01:14.810 --> 02:01:16.372
[SPEAKER_01]: They all have history too, right?

02:01:16.452 --> 02:01:19.817
[SPEAKER_01]: Countdown and go to they had the random match that was awesome last year.

02:01:19.837 --> 02:01:26.788
[SPEAKER_01]: Showdown Jack at Wrestle Showdown Zach obviously like huge history and Shingo's beat you you Murrah three times.

02:01:27.229 --> 02:01:32.076
[SPEAKER_01]: And that's like probably actually you Murrah's most common.

02:01:32.056 --> 02:01:36.702
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, so that it falls to, yeah, I mean, you've got a weak spot for Shaco.

02:01:37.003 --> 02:01:44.112
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, none of them have been like incredibly big spots, but it was, you know, it was the first round of the 2020 Ford New Japan Cup.

02:01:44.293 --> 02:01:51.342
[SPEAKER_01]: And it was a never openweight title shot in, at the end of 2024 in, in the US.

02:01:51.422 --> 02:01:54.086
[SPEAKER_01]: So there, there's some connection there.

02:01:54.146 --> 02:01:54.927
[SPEAKER_01]: It's, it's loose.

02:01:54.987 --> 02:02:00.595
[SPEAKER_01]: That one, that one's the least of the mob, but, you know,

02:02:00.862 --> 02:02:05.776
[SPEAKER_01]: I think they might go with bolt null egg to go in over Narita.

02:02:05.796 --> 02:02:06.397
[SPEAKER_01]: It's just correct.

02:02:07.140 --> 02:02:07.922
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, they could.

02:02:08.543 --> 02:02:09.025
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

02:02:09.265 --> 02:02:10.088
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm winning.

02:02:10.228 --> 02:02:11.411
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm winning towards Healfay.

02:02:11.452 --> 02:02:11.953
[SPEAKER_02]: Healfay.

02:02:12.013 --> 02:02:13.437
[SPEAKER_02]: Will you get to the final four?

02:02:13.805 --> 02:02:14.186
[SPEAKER_02]: Sure.

02:02:14.987 --> 02:02:18.893
[SPEAKER_02]: So just like sure, they still want that heel match up.

02:02:18.993 --> 02:02:24.562
[SPEAKER_02]: And each one of those matchups, don't mind, he'll probably just coping because I don't want.

02:02:24.582 --> 02:02:27.787
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't want Narita in that spot.

02:02:27.807 --> 02:02:38.023
[SPEAKER_02]: I think by the time Narita gets there, and he'll be such a troll on a goblin in the way that you've beaten everybody up to that point, that if you get past it, it's just going to help make you, yeah.

02:02:38.155 --> 02:02:40.038
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, people would really want that too.

02:02:40.059 --> 02:02:41.601
[SPEAKER_01]: So I could see the vision.

02:02:41.722 --> 02:02:43.184
[SPEAKER_01]: The vision is more clear for that.

02:02:43.224 --> 02:02:49.736
[SPEAKER_01]: Then then going with a leg, but I, I'm allowed to have a heart walk the heart.

02:02:49.756 --> 02:02:53.864
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and only it's been so good that maybe they'll pivot.

02:02:54.105 --> 02:02:55.928
[SPEAKER_01]: He's just the last, those last, those last.

02:02:55.988 --> 02:02:56.429
[SPEAKER_01]: You're so good.

02:02:56.469 --> 02:02:59.775
[SPEAKER_01]: You might want to rename a Marin wolf.

02:03:00.970 --> 02:03:06.395
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, yeah, we got to imagine it for tomorrow as we move on for that.

02:03:06.415 --> 02:03:07.956
[SPEAKER_02]: We got Oscar and Calum Newman.

02:03:09.277 --> 02:03:13.381
[SPEAKER_02]: For from the top on the Anniversary show, I believe they might be on the top.

02:03:13.401 --> 02:03:13.842
[SPEAKER_00]: Who knows?

02:03:13.862 --> 02:03:19.327
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, no, right now, right now, right now we got two cup matches.

02:03:19.347 --> 02:03:23.931
[SPEAKER_02]: We got an IW TV, IWGP junior tag and a junior heavyweight championship.

02:03:23.951 --> 02:03:30.977
[SPEAKER_02]: And I don't think they're any other

02:03:30.957 --> 02:03:32.581
[SPEAKER_01]: Two and a half hours.

02:03:32.681 --> 02:03:36.670
[SPEAKER_01]: I think they usually have you in their announcements at nine nine my time nine central.

02:03:37.372 --> 02:03:38.054
[SPEAKER_01]: Super tragic.

02:03:38.996 --> 02:03:40.640
[SPEAKER_02]: We got off your column.

02:03:40.660 --> 02:03:41.462
[SPEAKER_02]: No one I got column.

02:03:41.482 --> 02:03:42.224
[SPEAKER_02]: No one on this one.

02:03:42.725 --> 02:03:45.150
[SPEAKER_02]: I got Jake Lee and Yoshi Hashie.

02:03:45.171 --> 02:03:46.654
[SPEAKER_02]: It's the last single batch.

02:03:46.634 --> 02:03:48.116
[SPEAKER_02]: Jake, we had he lost.

02:03:48.176 --> 02:03:51.981
[SPEAKER_02]: I kind of expect him to win the comeback match on that one.

02:03:52.481 --> 02:03:59.150
[SPEAKER_02]: And then we got Robbie at Contagio, Shimori versus Robbie Eagles and Coca Fugida, the Battle of the Robbie Robbie Robbie.

02:03:59.971 --> 02:04:11.646
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh,

02:04:11.626 --> 02:04:12.848
[SPEAKER_02]: I will be very happy for him.

02:04:13.329 --> 02:04:15.252
[SPEAKER_02]: He's been working very hard over the last few years.

02:04:15.833 --> 02:04:25.629
[SPEAKER_02]: He came back from his ACL tier showing up for the shows, not being a guy in a place of the spotlight, but still showing up and doing the work anyways.

02:04:25.849 --> 02:04:27.492
[SPEAKER_02]: Got to respect the guy like that.

02:04:28.096 --> 02:04:45.649
[SPEAKER_01]: I want the junior title to get away from Dokey and Elvis Brado, just for a while, like I want a different, I want a different cycle of guys to get involved, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm just a bit right now, yeah, yeah.

02:04:45.882 --> 02:04:56.882
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and I don't care if they put it back on the main shows or whatever, like they've still been doing this sort of sequester junior world, but yeah, I was talking to someone earlier today and they said that and I was like, yeah, that's it.

02:04:57.223 --> 02:04:57.984
[SPEAKER_01]: Like that's the thing.

02:04:58.004 --> 02:04:59.907
[SPEAKER_01]: Like just get it away from these guys for a little bit.

02:04:59.928 --> 02:05:00.729
[SPEAKER_01]: They can come back to it.

02:05:00.769 --> 02:05:01.510
[SPEAKER_01]: It's fine.

02:05:02.252 --> 02:05:05.317
[SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, I would love, I would love it if water wins, but I'm not super.

02:05:05.458 --> 02:05:09.004
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not as invested in him as I was.

02:05:08.984 --> 02:05:12.108
[SPEAKER_01]: during Wattomania season when he was when he won the best.

02:05:12.128 --> 02:05:18.416
[SPEAKER_01]: The figures were just incredible, but I, I still like, I just want to see some fresh.

02:05:19.157 --> 02:05:20.840
[SPEAKER_02]: I was watching that.

02:05:20.920 --> 02:05:23.723
[SPEAKER_02]: I could vaguely think when he watched that one.

02:05:24.124 --> 02:05:24.705
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

02:05:25.065 --> 02:05:25.606
[SPEAKER_02]: With milker.

02:05:25.926 --> 02:05:29.351
[SPEAKER_01]: And when they put, when they put Teton into the end of the house.

02:05:29.391 --> 02:05:34.958
[SPEAKER_02]: And currently, we've stayed for three and we don't want to watch it without, without getting spoiled.

02:05:34.938 --> 02:05:36.922
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, so like we made all of us to each other.

02:05:37.484 --> 02:05:43.116
[SPEAKER_01]: So it was such a great season of junior heavyweight wrestling.

02:05:44.139 --> 02:05:45.281
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I want that back.

02:05:45.321 --> 02:05:48.368
[SPEAKER_02]: Same weekend if a double or nothing for a few a couple years ago.

02:05:48.548 --> 02:05:51.495
[SPEAKER_01]: Yep, that sounds that sounds familiar.

02:05:51.813 --> 02:05:53.997
[SPEAKER_02]: All right, we intended to go 90.

02:05:54.478 --> 02:05:56.781
[SPEAKER_02]: We went almost 130 minutes.

02:05:57.162 --> 02:06:05.977
[SPEAKER_02]: Chris, I thank you for being long, we did just as long as me so that all of our audience got everything that they needed out of us.

02:06:06.759 --> 02:06:09.383
[SPEAKER_02]: Covering fantastic amania, Aaron Wolfe.

02:06:09.363 --> 02:06:36.113
[SPEAKER_02]: New Japan, New beginning in America, the New Japan Cup, your website, the sport of pro wrestling and which you can do all of these contests including the G1 in the future and we'll talk later on about some type of prize again because I had a lot of fun doing that with you last year and make it so that there's some skin in the game for some of these people to prove that you're the smartest wrestling mind of all of us, but

02:06:36.093 --> 02:06:37.756
[SPEAKER_02]: That is for then for now.

02:06:37.876 --> 02:06:40.561
[SPEAKER_02]: I want to call you the smartest wrestling mind of this show.

02:06:40.641 --> 02:06:49.075
[SPEAKER_02]: Thank you for coming on and talking all your viewpoint and sharing the screen with me because I needed somebody to bounce off to.

02:06:49.135 --> 02:06:52.060
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm glad we got to catch up.

02:06:52.040 --> 02:06:56.409
[SPEAKER_02]: plug anything that I have failed to mention before we get out of here, my friend.

02:06:57.791 --> 02:06:59.194
[SPEAKER_01]: I find me in the discord.

02:06:59.294 --> 02:07:03.182
[SPEAKER_01]: I am at the Chris SAMHSA if it's a discord that talks about New Japan.

02:07:03.242 --> 02:07:08.031
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm probably there, except for the official one that you have to pay to get into because I'm not into that.

02:07:08.933 --> 02:07:10.977
[SPEAKER_01]: And

02:07:10.957 --> 02:07:16.908
[SPEAKER_01]: Uh, supportive for us and that come anytime something's going on with the Japan you can find uh, you can find what's going on there.

02:07:16.968 --> 02:07:24.102
[SPEAKER_01]: So right now it's all about the new Japan cup and uh, you know, of course I'm on the social media is but I'm I'm sort of a post and ghost guy these days.

02:07:24.182 --> 02:07:26.907
[SPEAKER_01]: So, um, I'll pop up on the

02:07:26.887 --> 02:07:30.494
[SPEAKER_01]: Posting ghost you just post and you just move on with the day.

02:07:30.894 --> 02:07:31.395
[SPEAKER_01]: It's pretty cool.

02:07:31.435 --> 02:07:31.996
[SPEAKER_02]: I do that.

02:07:32.016 --> 02:07:37.467
[SPEAKER_02]: I do the the drop for the show on Twitter or at or whatever at the time I've ever posted on that too.

02:07:37.487 --> 02:07:39.049
[SPEAKER_02]: It's like, Oh, hey, show like everybody.

02:07:39.330 --> 02:07:39.911
[SPEAKER_02]: It's Thursday.

02:07:39.991 --> 02:07:40.512
[SPEAKER_02]: Here you go.

02:07:41.033 --> 02:07:41.714
[SPEAKER_02]: But enough.

02:07:41.754 --> 02:07:43.157
[SPEAKER_02]: You never seen me for another week.

02:07:43.137 --> 02:07:43.878
[SPEAKER_01]: and we got to go.

02:07:44.239 --> 02:07:44.960
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah.

02:07:45.221 --> 02:07:46.203
[SPEAKER_01]: That's the way to do it.

02:07:46.643 --> 02:07:49.929
[SPEAKER_01]: I, and I, so yeah, find me at the Chris Samsung.

02:07:49.969 --> 02:07:50.671
[SPEAKER_01]: That's where I am.

02:07:51.392 --> 02:07:52.334
[SPEAKER_01]: But thank you for having me.

02:07:52.614 --> 02:07:53.356
[SPEAKER_01]: Always great time.

02:07:53.376 --> 02:07:55.680
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm glad we finally got to connect up again.

02:07:55.780 --> 02:08:01.230
[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm sure, you know, I'll get back into the cycle of joining you guys for the big stuff.

02:08:01.447 --> 02:08:02.869
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

02:08:03.370 --> 02:08:10.100
[SPEAKER_02]: It's hard when your family is always growing and you're just trying to spend, make sure that you're managing all your time everywhere.

02:08:10.440 --> 02:08:13.665
[SPEAKER_02]: I really appreciate the fact that you gave so much of your time to me today.

02:08:13.685 --> 02:08:15.648
[SPEAKER_02]: And we'll make it happen again in the future.

02:08:15.848 --> 02:08:16.850
[SPEAKER_02]: And thank you so much.

02:08:17.230 --> 02:08:20.555
[SPEAKER_02]: Thank you everyone for listening and watching on the show today.

02:08:20.615 --> 02:08:21.817
[SPEAKER_02]: We will be back next week.

02:08:22.197 --> 02:08:29.428
[SPEAKER_02]: Steven Conway will be back and we will probably get some epic rant about Aaron Wolf that we

02:08:29.408 --> 02:08:30.290
[SPEAKER_02]: Doesn't matter.

02:08:30.451 --> 02:08:31.072
[SPEAKER_02]: I love the guy.

02:08:31.092 --> 02:08:35.584
[SPEAKER_02]: I can't wait to hear what he had to say and all the details from his vacation away from me.

02:08:36.346 --> 02:08:38.793
[SPEAKER_02]: So with that, I am Jerry Feinstein.

02:08:39.033 --> 02:08:42.422
[SPEAKER_02]: This was Chris Santa and this is Speaking of Strongdown.