Kenny Omega vs. Kevin Knight, the Austin Theory & Maxxine Show, G1 Predictions | Takedown

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's the rare Friday edition of takedown.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Paul Fontaine is here with me.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We're going to bring on Jeremy Feinstone in a little while to talk some New Japan pro wrestling.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Why are we recording on a Friday when we do not normally record on Friday?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, I usually do wrestling observer radio with Big Dave at this point in time, but Big Dave is at Arena Mexico tonight.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He's finally there.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He's been trying to get there for seemingly as long as I've known him and he and his family are there.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So shout out to Big Dave for making the time getting that observer up a day early and going out there.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like he's been wanting to do so that gave Paul and I the space to kind of put on Tuesday show.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Because Paul joined me last night on the fight game podcast on the F4W online network and as did Jeff Hawkins as did our old buddy might Gilbert so if you are a member of that website, you haven't heard that and you want to hear Mike and Paul and Jeff and I shit chat check that out.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I put the might Gilbert conversation because it was mostly about dark side and TNA.

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[SPEAKER_01]: on our channel, so the video is on our channel, but the audio is solely with F4W online.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So check that out.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And yeah, so we'll do this because we have the opportunity too, and we'll do our normal show where Paul and I break down

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[SPEAKER_01]: two-ish things that have happened that we want to talk about, one-and-a-w-e, and then Jeremy will come on and we'll clean it up with the New Japan G1 prediction stuff.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So news just came out right before we started recording about AEW Dynamite on Wednesday night.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They did a terrific rating for what they've been doing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And you and I were kind of like scratching our heads.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And we were also talking offline and I kind of wondered, you know, is it solely about the competition, but also they'd have been doing good shows of late and then you have a world title match on last week.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And so you would think that there would be some trickle down to that or trickle up, I guess, because they actually did a better rating than last week though, I think the competition is part of that.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, definitely.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, it is the one night of the year that all the other sports are dark.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, obviously we're out of NFL NBA or NHL season, major league baseballs on the All-Star Break.

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[SPEAKER_02]: There was a WNBA game on, but you know, that's not usually considered major competition.

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[SPEAKER_02]: World Cup soccer is off to the weekend.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So they basically had the night to themselves.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And yeah,

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[SPEAKER_02]: It tied the best number they've done in almost two years, July 17, 2024, and that's before Max.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So, I mean, even if nobody was watching on Max, it's still the biggest number they've done, you know.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And in the 18 to 49, you know, the key demo, it's the best number they've done since they moved to this big data plus panel system going back to August

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[SPEAKER_02]: including one year ago this week, which was also a dark week.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And yeah, so the, yeah, just a great number.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, you know, and you say, like I mean, we both,

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[SPEAKER_02]: The funny thing is, you didn't like the show.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I thought it was a good show.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I just didn't think it was great.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I thought the show was fine.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It was, I'd even go better than fine.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I liked a lot of what they did on the show, but I mean, there were some issues for sure.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Like, I couldn't believe they didn't follow up on Hangman.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Um, you know, I mean, even the MJF, like no update on him, like just, uh, yeah, we're old champion and he's been on the show all, you know, for the last, I haven't even seen anybody.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I didn't even mention that.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I didn't even think about it on Wednesday, but like not a word, you know, even a, you know, like I'm bound to get his title back enough.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And that happens a lot in a W people lose a big match and they just disappear.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then, you know, but that's, I mean, that's just what they do.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, the thing that you mentioned about the WNBA,

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[SPEAKER_01]: that they are doing pretty strong numbers for some of these games.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Do you not think that there's a correlation in the audience?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Because I watched the Valkyries and the fever before I even watched AEW like that to have priority for me.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I saw that,

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[SPEAKER_01]: the Saturday, I think it was at the Saturday game.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think it may have been a weekend game.

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[SPEAKER_01]: There was a fever and ACE's game that did, like 2.64 million, I think it was over the weekend.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So there's a hefty audience there.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And it does bigger ratings than, at least their biggest stuff does better ratings than WWE and AEW.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But I do wonder, is there not a crossover audience?

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, that you would think that as close to what AEW fans, at least what we believe AEW fans are would cross over a little bit better with that WMBA audience.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I don't really know.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, to be honest, like you're the only person kind of in my orbit that really even talks about the WNBA much.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So, you know, I, I, it's hard for me to say, I, I, I, I check it out on occasion and I definitely am watching it more now than I believe it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I have a team, but that's not even the reason why I, you know, the funny thing is I kind of made a point of saying like I will watch any tempo game on a night if the blue jays are off and there actually has never been a Toronto temple game on on the night when the blue jays are off so I have not yet seen a full game.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Um, if I'm channel surfing and I see that the game is on, I will, I will throw it on for, you know, a few minutes and watch it and and same thing with any WNBA game.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So I've probably watched more just because it just seems to be on more and on a lot of different stations like I was, you know, I mentioned in our discord.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, it's on CBS.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I've never seen a game on CBS before and you know, you mentioned it's the first year.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, I get them on TSN sports net.

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[SPEAKER_02]: W are the NBA channel and then on even some other forms like you know all the I think ABC airs and games They're on USA Yeah, I think that's the game that the game that last night that beat a dynamite that was on USA So that's the old NXT time timeslot.

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[SPEAKER_02]: They did one point one four million and I think a point one eight

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[SPEAKER_02]: So yeah, I mean, those are, I mean, those are like triple what they were doing.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Was that the Valkyries in favor?

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It just says WNBA.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It started at at six your time.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So was that them?

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[SPEAKER_02]: Did I can start remember?

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[SPEAKER_02]: I think that game started at five my time.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, you know what, no, no, that would be right.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah, yeah, because it's eight.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it's eight Eastern.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So yeah, yeah, five of your time.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So that was probably the game.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Inocatlin, all of her games are on a network, by the way.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And if Caitlyn is playing, like if it's a fever game, like that game's generally going to top the cable charts, if there's nothing, if there's no major, even like it's going to be the major league baseball most of the time, it's not going to beat the NBA.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But yeah, I've noticed that yeah her games generally so when I say major sports competition I guess there was major because if that was her then yeah, then that's I and they usually do better than 1.14 million I think what happens a lot of times like on these nights like this is it's not like all those viewers just.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Um, watch something else.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It's almost like, oh, there's no sports on.

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[SPEAKER_02]: We're going to do something else tonight rather than sit in front of our TVs.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Do you ever notice that?

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[SPEAKER_02]: Mm-hmm.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Like, yeah, like, you get a break.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Exactly.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So yeah, so you're not like saying, oh, what else is on?

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[SPEAKER_02]: You're saying, let's shut the TV off and touch grass or, you know, or go to go see a movie or go up for supper, you know, whatever.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, but yeah, it was, I mean, a great number for them, like 786,000 is, you know, that's, that's big, like, and that's a big data plus panels.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So, you know, I'm sure Dave will say, oh, yeah, that might be 900, you know, under the old system and it's right closer to the 950 probably, right?

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[SPEAKER_02]: I, yeah, it's hard to say, like, maybe like, it feels like the overall viewership is getting closer and closer to what the old one was, it's the demo, like that's probably like a point two.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, he said, yeah, he says that the demo, because I asked him specifically about the demo, yeah, and he said that the demos is also taking a giant hit like almost by half he thinks, yeah, more than yeah, definitely more than than the overall viewership.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And again, like, it sounds like he's making excuses and it's an easy thing to say, but he is trying to compare apples to apples and that's the method that they used a year ago.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Now, the question is, is what is the more accurate number?

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[SPEAKER_02]: Is it this year or last year?

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[SPEAKER_02]: And for the purposes of what they've saying, it doesn't matter.

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[SPEAKER_02]: He's just comparing, if we had the big data plus panel numbers from last year, we could compare them.

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[SPEAKER_02]: We don't.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, so this is the last thing.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So once we hit September,

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[SPEAKER_02]: Although apparently they're changing everything again in August, but once we hit September, at least we can compare big data plus panel numbers year over year right and I as you know reasonably VW won't be way up because like that's the trend even with comparing this like this year to last year like this is the fourth straight week they've been up year over year and in the sense January 28 there's only been on 2345

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[SPEAKER_02]: eight weeks out of 25, so 17 out of 25 they've been up year over year.

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[SPEAKER_02]: This is the first week that they have not been down in the demo year over year.

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[SPEAKER_02]: They were even.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So, you know, that is real progress.

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[SPEAKER_02]: There's no question they have upward mobility in their ratings for sure.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But I want to say shout out to Tom Talks rubbish, you've been on his show, right?

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[SPEAKER_02]: He asked me and I haven't responded yet because I didn't recognize him and now I feel bad.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So I will definitely respond to him.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I will.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I've been on it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I think Jeremy has also been on his.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, there's been other there's been other folks.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I can't I maybe I don't know if Melon Sam had been on it, but we've we've been.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We've few of us have done top.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So sometimes you get these requests for people you don't know and you're not sure and and then I realized that oh shoot this is the guy that I know Jeremy was on I wasn't sure about anybody else so I Tom if you're watching obviously are I will definitely respond tonight and we'll set something up for sure.

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[SPEAKER_01]: All right, so what are we going to talk about?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, let's start with the AWS stuff because we want to, you know, we try and do some A, W, some W, W, E. And since we started with the A, W ratings with the really good

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[SPEAKER_01]: comes a little bit of negativity on my end, but I almost don't know what they could have done, because I want to give them the benefit of the doubt, and some of this goes back to a conversation that I had with Tony Khan way back in the day when he first came on with Dave and I, I think it's during the pandemic, actually, because I asked him, I was like, you know,

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[SPEAKER_01]: do you have more than one plan just in case something happens and during the pandemic you remember all those guys were getting scratch from the show like minutes before and stuff and he was like no you know I just kind of like trust my instincts when I need to pivot

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[SPEAKER_01]: And so this was seems like another time where he had to decide to pivot because we all expected next week's paperview redemption to be Omega and MJF.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I think that's what it was supposed to be.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then something happened where they had to do that match on television last week.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So you take your paperview main event, you put it on television and now you don't have a paperview

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[SPEAKER_01]: when all anyone wants to see now is all in.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Had it been MJF and Kenny Omega, that I think that sells itself, like you want to see that match, and there's a reason for that paper view.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Now there's almost no reason for the paper view.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And so the decision,

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[SPEAKER_01]: that Tony Con made is to who he's putting in the main event is very similar to a decision he made when Hangman won the title in putting Kyle Fletcher in a paperview main event where we were all kind of scratching our heads like I get it but that's not that's kind of out of the blue and it's not where things seem to be going like I wonder why and I think

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[SPEAKER_01]: Dave said at the time like he was like he's kind of investing in his future in a way.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And so I kind of see the same thing here, but at the same time, there's so many other guys I'd rather see in this match.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and the difference here is, and I see those parallels, and and I'm sure that's part of Tony Consmind setting and putting this match together.

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[SPEAKER_02]: The difference is I don't think Kevin night is anywhere near the level co-fletcher was when he was putting that position and Kyle wasn't even ready for that position yet.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But he was a guy that you could clearly see they had plans for in the not-too-distant future.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So this was a way to acclimatize the fans to the fact, hey, this guy is going to be a main eventer, and you know, and let's see what he can do.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And with Kevin Knight, I think that they definitely have plans for that as well, but he's just not quite as far along, whereas Kyle Fletcher might have been a year away.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Kevin Night might be two, two and a half, three years away and and he's just now been put in that position of holding a single's title and getting promo time and I mean in the ring.

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[SPEAKER_02]: He's not that far away from where Kyle Fletcher was, but he's definitely not as complete a performer as Kyle Fletcher was in the, it was or is in the ring and on the mic, he's not even close like Kyle was, Kyle was right there like he was already a really good promo last year and he's getting better.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Kevin Knights got a long way to go in the promo department in my opinion.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And that's why theoretically he's got Callis and Callis has so many guys he has to focus on.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean he's doing it, you know, it's good as he can with Knight.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And he'll get there, I think.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm pretty confident in that, but it's just not quite there yet.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And yeah, with so many other top guys that they've built up, I mean, you know, you could

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[SPEAKER_02]: You could name them, you know, that you'd rather see Omega against Okada, Moxley, you know, Fletcher, you know, there's guys.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I would even, I even had the idea that popped into my head.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You could have done something like Copeland.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, like they're in Canada and say, Hey, it's my one last shot Canadian versus Canadian, you know, let's do this, you know, kind of thing like to me, that's like a kind of match where you know, Copeland's not going to win, but you get to see Copeland going for a world title one last time in his home country, you know, and that if you're going to have a throw away made of it anyways, why not do that.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Like, that just came into my head.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, and then they booked him against moxley and cloudy or not moxley is pop and cloudy.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Although Dave reported moxley, so I was a little bit of confusion there.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But yeah, so yeah, I kind of agree like it is kind of it kind of does send a message to your fans like, you know, you know, you know, if you need to skip a favor, you this might be the one thing that Kyle Flitcher had that Kevin night doesn't have is he had that feud with Willosbury.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And that was a giant match and he delivered and you had all those promos and people were like, wow, this guy's actually really good and he's coming into his own Kevin.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I just didn't have that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So he didn't know if he had that.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You had the win over a cotta, but I think everyone's forgotten that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, beating speedball is not the same as beating Will Osprey.

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[SPEAKER_01]: No, and there's nothing else from that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like he hasn't had, I guess, um,

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[SPEAKER_01]: So it was, you know, trying to think of anything else in the build before his heel turn.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, who did he beat even for the title?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, it was at Brisco?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I don't remember.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I think it was Brisco and, you know, unfortunately, like, Brisco gets beat all the time.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So you don't get much out of beating Brisco.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Um, if he would have beaten a guy like Kyle Fletcher for the title, then, you know, now we're talking, you know, but, you know, or, or Osprey or an Omega, you know, like he had, and that was the thing where Fletcher had those matches and even some wins, the heel turn has been flat.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think the character is a little flat.

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[SPEAKER_01]: he is trying really hard to be a heal.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe the best thing that he's done was just this the other day with Omega and Osprey in the ring.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I think Osprey's kind of his mannerisms and his goofy cool thing kind of overshadowed Kevin at a bit.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't I don't know if I would have

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[SPEAKER_01]: put those two things together or maybe it was a way to say, Hey, dude, these are the guys you got to get up to speed against like these are, you know, these are the guys.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So maybe that's what it was, but I also thought, Osprey overshadowed him a little bit.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Even Omega did a good job putting Kevin night.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh,

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[SPEAKER_02]: right.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That was the goal of the whole thing was for Omega to put him up to his level and then you have Osprey like making faces in the corner.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Like he did more to get Kevin night to that level than even Don Cows has done in a lot of ways.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Like saying like I saw you right from the start, you had it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You have that larger than life present.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So he's telling us all these things that

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[SPEAKER_02]: that probably by proxy that Tony conson him and he's saying it as as Kenny Omega, you know, kind of looking at him as like, okay, I saw you as an opponent as a potential opponent down the line and and now here you are.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So I think like I think something has to happen this coming week.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I didn't get to talk about this last night because we kind of geared our focus towards a different topic with a debut, but if I had done that show with LaRaca, I know what to come up, which is

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[SPEAKER_01]: they're doing this thing now where they have a segment and it's a good segment and then at the tail end of the segment they add like seven or eight guys at the end and then right after then they went to like a jungle boy promo and I was like the goal is to create this main event

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[SPEAKER_01]: you didn't need all these other dudes, these callostutes to jump in.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You didn't need it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Just end the segment with what Kevin Knight did to Kenny Omega and Kenny Omega should just be pissed off and will Osprey, you know, and Kenny kind of are in the ring together, whatever, and just end there, then go to commercial.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So that I could sit with that instead of seeing jungle boy and

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[SPEAKER_01]: promo.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That promo could have been anywhere on the show.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It could have come.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That could have been the promo coming back from commercial.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But you put all of these things, are you at it?

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I get it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They want to add more people to TV.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They get to guys on TV.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We have a use for them.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But in that segment, less is way more.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I wouldn't say that that segment wasn't good because it was good.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think it they they they lesson it by adding those people at the end and just making it like a normal wrestling segment instead of what it should have been, which is, you know, Omega and night just getting their grudge over sell us for this paper view.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I think they suffered from the fact that, you know, going into that show where 10 days out of the paper view, and we had two matches booked, so he's scrambling at this point to set up a card and and he didn't even have a main event yet.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So, you know, we both, I think we use the term sloppy put together.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I think was the term that we may have both used at one point, and that's like, yeah, it's a last minute thing.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It's rushing.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It's Jeff has used the term cramming for the exam, you know, like you're, you're trying to get everything together for the last minute.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And the thing is, like his roster is so damn talented that I'm sure that show is going to be full of great matches.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It's just going to be, are they going to be matches that we as fans care about and that is what I don't know.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Like I I'll watch it, but there's no way I would have paid for it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Luckily, I have a way to watch it where I don't have to pay for it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Let's quickly talk a little bit about this paper view because Not looking good.

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[SPEAKER_02]: No, like, I mean, it looks like good matches.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Like, co-fletcher and bandito on paper sounds like a great match.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They've had better matches on television in the last, yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Well, I mean, we say that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, they could go out there and have a six-star match.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, both guys are capable of it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I just mean on paper.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, yeah, yeah.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, just on the other hand.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Well, I mean, honestly, like,

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and there's matches, like I said, I mean, it seemed like they were setting up a Darby Kevin Night match.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Now, obviously, you can't do that because Kevin Night's challenging for the world title.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So moving Kevin Night into the world title match, now that affects your undercard as well.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Um, and even speedball and Kevin night was one I thought I saw people thinking was on the books for Montreal that would have made sense with a redemption pay for view with Kevin night having churned on speedball.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, you could have had you could have been building up speedball for the last two months and had him win the title in Montreal.

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[SPEAKER_02]: That could have been a big moment for those fans.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And instead Mike Bailey cuts promos every week about how he's going to go through the

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, you know, so maybe redemption is going to be beats like I'll clone, you know, I don't know, but yeah, and yeah, so, you know, yeah, it co-fletcher, I mean, there's a lot of guys that I would have been more excited for him to wrestle and you meant you mentioned it, but the one I wanted was a cotta.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, because you have a channel caught it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: No, can you make a no kind of oh, yeah, yeah, I did mention.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, the reason is because you only had two weeks, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: You only had two weeks to sell the match and the title is important, but

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[SPEAKER_01]: The match between these two guys is almost bigger than the title.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So you're kind of less worried about, oh, yeah, you know, we're, we're, you know, who's going to win, you know, we know what the title match is going to be.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Now, if you wanted to, if you wanted to try and sell the idea that Oh, God, it could be in the main event.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, God, it will last brave had some awesome, yeah, exactly.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And, and oh, God and Osprey,

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[SPEAKER_02]: That is a pretty damn good Wembleyman event.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So yeah, there's no reason to believe that you can't just shake your head and say like every other guy like okay, we weren't getting swirstrickland headlining Wembley go into the title like we know that.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It could have been M.J.F.

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[SPEAKER_02]: M.J.F.

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[SPEAKER_02]: easily could have had line for sure.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But yeah, Ocada.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And I don't know about it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: If there's anyone else on the roster, honestly, yeah, moxley maybe moxley actually moxley could have, but whatever story that they're telling right now does look like they want to fully tell that story.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But I mean, you could have done moxley omega and had moxley win the title and then defending against the offspring.

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[SPEAKER_02]: That actually would be a hell of a story.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, if you had moxley defending against Osprey in the main event of Wembley, you know, it's a little bit too close to the last year though, yeah.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Well, it's different though, because their friends right now.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So we, friends, like we're not all in for the banana and tail pipe here.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know, man, like.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Osprey sure seems to be though I didn't see somebody say what if Osprey Don't feel like that was like what have yeah, are you getting that for I've seen that a few times actually That's like what you're gonna take over the deathriders.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah

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[SPEAKER_02]: Well, there was that thought a while ago that there would be like two sets of death writers, you know, like like Osprey would would split off with the written luck.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, God with like Pock and, you know, like Claudio, maybe, you know, like the European faction of the death writers and then, and then you get, and then you get mocks with with this young boys.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Let's keep it moving for what's working.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, what I would say.

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[SPEAKER_01]: All right.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Let's let's switch gears really quickly before bring Jeremy on.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I have this problem that you do not have.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, you don't hate it as much as I do, basically.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Again, if this was on the fake and podcast, John Lorock and I would have argued about this because he loves Austin Theory for some reason.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He still sees future in Austin Theory and I'm like,

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[SPEAKER_01]: Now the Austin theory is the AAA baseball player who the your team brings up seven times hoping that he can play well and it just is not it's never going to happen now I hope it does like I don't want anyone to fail at their job but Patrick Bailey.

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[SPEAKER_01]: because Patrick Bailey want to go glove, but then they give it him, so it doesn't matter.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But Austin Theory, given another opportunity to flesh out this character, Maxine, who is kind of the female version of Austin Theory, except she just hasn't had as many chances as he has.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But they're definitely trying to make fetch happen as one would say, if you watched Mean Girls with both of these two.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So it's almost like,

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[SPEAKER_01]: Let's add a negative and a negative and then we're going to get a positive somehow so they're doing some sort of math here and if they did it in a way where it was kind of in the midcard and it was away from some of the other stuff I wouldn't be that bothered because the thing that bothers me the most.

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[SPEAKER_01]: is the fact that brown breaker has to be in the background and watch this pile of crap happen in front of him as he is being positioned in the tag team instead of forget like what would be what would big pop a pump do here like what would what would what would the dog face grumlin Rick Siner do here they would not care about this stupid love affair stuff

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[SPEAKER_01]: Uh, though, I guess the dog face Grimland did fall for one Robin Greene there a little bit in the story from the OG days at the standard brothers, but I want to see the aggression.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I want to see green brawn breakers frustration.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I want to see him just be like, let's get at it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like why do I care about this stuff?

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[SPEAKER_01]: I need to go bash heads and win championships.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like that's the focus of the vision right there is brown breaker.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Why are we dealing with this austin theory and Maxine crap?

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[SPEAKER_02]: So, I mean, I, I, I'm with you on Austin Theory.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Um, I, I've kind of, I gave up on him a while ago, and I honestly thought they had as well.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Um, there was a couple weeks ago where he lost in like five minutes to Joe Henry, and then they did a backstage segment where they seemingly split him and Maxine up, and I actually bought it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Like I thought, okay, this guy is going to get future endeavoured.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Like, you know, like, and then the next week is they just,

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[SPEAKER_02]: I thought, like, I will say though, I thought Maxine in particular was pretty good in her promo.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Like, she's a lot better as a heal than she is as a baby face.

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[SPEAKER_02]: She's more believable.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And I did, the, the, the other thing I really liked was freaking broad breakers sphere of Otis.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Like, like, that was good.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I, I'm not going to ask you to watch the segment again because I like you and I would switch it through that.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But I thought I saw Braunbreaker kind of siding everything as this was going on.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Like, I hope so.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, like, but I don't know if that was the character or if that was Bronson Reckstein or like, what am I doing here?

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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, like, I don't know which it was, but it, it could have been, and then him and just dump, like basically dumping the group backstage,

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[SPEAKER_02]: Almost made me wonder if he's going to put this thing back together and leave Austin and Maxine on their own.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And if that's what ends up happening, like you know, so he has like a new group with Brock, although I don't know how long he's gonna be around, Logan Paul, Braun Breaker, and maybe Broncin Reed when he comes back.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And have it be like, okay, we get rid of the dead weight here and let's get back to what we were when we started, a group of potential main adventures.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And having that group focused around, I don't know, like it's Logan Paul, Braun Breaker, actually.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And then you have Logan Paul and Broncin Reed

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[SPEAKER_02]: like I could I could deal with that.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Um, I don't need Austin theory.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Like, yeah, midcard, I guess he's fine.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Um, I'd even be fine with him in Tana.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Like, I just don't necessarily need to see him anymore.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I just I'm kind of done with Austin theory.

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[SPEAKER_02]: as nice as he was to my daughter when he met her.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm sure he's a nice guy.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's the hard part of it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Talking about this stuff is these folks, you know, for them, I would, you know, I'd guess them.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I don't want to hear the jokes about why he might have been nice to my daughter.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I would, uh, they will, you just invited them in.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I know.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I know.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Let's kind of talk about bra now.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like what do you do with bra?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like this is this is like an easy one.

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[SPEAKER_01]: This is a like the most layup of labs that you have and this guy stuck in no man's land right now.

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[SPEAKER_01]: What do you do?

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[SPEAKER_01]: I.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I think you what you do is you like I think they're waiting till after summer slime because like after summer slime is kind of when they do kind of a little mini reset and maybe like maybe a pull away from this group like at this point I guess that would mean you have to turn face and let's somehow.

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[SPEAKER_02]: like you have him in like I said like create like bring back the vision but without awesome theory and then what is that what does that leave awesome theory like you know is he gonna turn baby face with mexie now would be dumb um you know because if if the group turns or is the vision baby face I don't like that either um

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[SPEAKER_02]: So I don't know, but you got to do something because that guy is one of your guys, like that's one of your guys that you need for the next 10 years to build your company around because Roman Cody punk, they're not going to be around forever.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So your new group is Oba trick, Braun.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Uh, you know, and then mellow underneath and and if you're Ricky Saints and a few others, I'm not impressed with the Ricky Saints move.

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[SPEAKER_02]: No, but but that's the position you got to get him to like, you know, like he's not going to be he's never going to be trick, but like he's not, but he might have to be your savvy, you know, like, you know at that level, like for the next 10 years, you know, like the guy just underneath.

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[SPEAKER_02]: What will this is any name?

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[SPEAKER_02]: Ricky, Ricky, start.

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[SPEAKER_02]: No, no, no, Carmelo.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, uh, Casanova something, uh, Christian Casanova.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, okay.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Thank you to you.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I think.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I kind of like that name for a flamboyant Ressler Casanova.

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[SPEAKER_01]: There was, there was a early early hip hop.

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[SPEAKER_01]: uh, rapper named, I think Casanova Fly may have even been part of the sugar hill gang.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't remember it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I never saw him under that name, but I did hear him, he was interviewed by Josh Nation on the fight game podcast when he was still in in the Indies.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And then I remembered when he got brought into NXT and then I heard, oh, that's a former Christian Casanova.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, yeah.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I heard him being interviewed.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And I don't, I didn't often listen to those indie wrestler interviews, but I listen to that one.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The last thing here, and we'll bring in Jeremy, this kind of goes back to the booking of Braun.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Braun was essentially sacrificed to get to this Seth Rollins in Roman Reigns wine fest that we're dealing with on Raw.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And you know, I don't, I get it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They need two main events.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You

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[SPEAKER_01]: you're not, you're not gonna take the opportunity to create, like you're not gonna do the Kevin Knight and MJF thing on Summerslam.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's just not their style.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I still think it's, I still think sacrificing Braun to get Seth into this match.

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[SPEAKER_02]: may have not been the best idea.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You know what, I just thought of something.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Maybe what they do is on the SmackDown after Summerslam.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Assuming Cody beat.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Cote are assuming punk beats.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Cody, but actually it doesn't even matter, whichever one of them wins.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You have Braun show up on SmackDown and spear that guy out of their boots.

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[SPEAKER_02]: and he just says you know what like I'm done the vision is garbage.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't need to be around those guys anymore and and you know and if it's punk especially because they got issues like going back you know they were feuding before punk left.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And then you can do a brown, brown, punk feud.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, that was supposed to be the real Samania match.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And then, you know, maybe brown, maybe brown wins a title at Survivor Series or something.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And, and yes, just get him off a rock completely, just move him away.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And, and, and, and, and, and, and that, that might work.

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[SPEAKER_01]: All right, let's talk some new Japan for a little bit.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I love to talk to you, Japan.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Let's bring Jeremy in.

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[SPEAKER_02]: The word vision.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I like that.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And, okay, well.

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[SPEAKER_01]: All right, I'm going to fix this.

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[SPEAKER_01]: How do I want?

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[SPEAKER_01]: How do I want our little set up to look here?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Hey, Jeremy.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, hello.

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[SPEAKER_01]: No, I don't want that.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Do I want that?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that will keep it like that for now.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The G1 actually kicked off last weekend and Jeremy was there and I heard lots of fun meetups happening lots of fun in person can you just tell us real quickly let's keep it like that can you just tell us real quickly what it was like to meet up with a Stephen who you've done a podcast with her how many years now and you guys finally got to connect person.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so we do the podcast taking a strong style and it was actually Chris Samson who reached out to us and said, hey, you know, I'm going to get a sweet and you throw this amount of money at me and you've got to see it here.

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[SPEAKER_00]: you know what yeah talked to the significant others you know what yeah talked to Chris you know what yeah and so we went and I got there on Friday and ended up meeting up with a Damon McDonald of Voices of Wrestling and a Super J cast and hung out with them for Friday and then I ended up meeting up with Steven after Samson hosted a barbecue which everybody attended Steven wasn't able to make that but I caught up with him at the arena

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[SPEAKER_00]: and we sat and we watched the show together and just kind of talked and you watched the world cup at the same time.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We had a little bit of bar seating in the top of the suite so sitting at bar seat overlooking the entire thing and

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[SPEAKER_00]: Man, it was a great night.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Met up with the keeping it strong style guys, wrestling, oh my gosh, hey guys, Chris, Sam, so they had a lot of people there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Sweet William, this is there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It was just everybody was there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Wait, is this name suit or sweet?

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[SPEAKER_00]: I might be suit Williams.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I felt suit suit right some recaps on F4W.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, but and I got the coolest name.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I was like charming individuals.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think thank you.

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[SPEAKER_01]: This is a wrong way of the entire time suit.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_00]: charming individual and just great guy.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so.

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[SPEAKER_00]: everybody did.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Everybody did a thing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We met Sam and Mel as well.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Mel has been Bob, Sam's sister Nicky, Larry, Stern Shine, managed to make take a moment and meet with him.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And generally it's just a community of people just all it's such that we're happy to be there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And

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[SPEAKER_00]: We were all pretty surprised to hear that the show broadcast just did not come off well.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, unfortunately, everything that we saw was just like, man, this is one of the best shows that I've ever put all of the states.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And it was a universal like coming out of that show.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Everyone's like, yeah, we got some G1 going on.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And I'm curious what kind of feedback did you hear about the broadcast?

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[SPEAKER_02]: Because I like I hadn't heard.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I didn't hear anything.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Um, like in my opinion, like I just thought it looked, it looked and sounded like there was no one there, even though there was, but that's always been a problem with new Japan US shows.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I want to say Cori Lee kind of gave me a heads up that it wasn't received well on mine.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Because I ran into him at one point, uh, just to, you know, say hello and Cori was there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Cori at Cori and JJ were there and nice.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so Cory did the, you're here at the show, too.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I was like, yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm here at the show.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so I moved it all over and shot it with them during the main event entrances.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And he kind of mentioned it like, yeah, I don't think people are really liking this show online.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's not, it's not.

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[SPEAKER_00]: coming off well, it's like, that is unfortunate, but also unsurprising.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I thought it was like, I thought it was a really good show.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It just the broadcast is a typical New Japan US broadcast.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Like, it just didn't hold it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Nothing jumped out at you.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Like, when you're when you're watching it, but the matches themselves were really good.

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[SPEAKER_02]: The announcing was good.

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[SPEAKER_02]: The volume was a problem, like yeah, like I don't know what it was, but like as soon as the show was over and they clicked over to the off like the backstage interviews like my TV blew up like it was the that's how low the volume was an announcer so and that's a problem and I think it was because they were trying not to have the announcers overwhelm the audience.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, but what end up happening was you couldn't hear anything and you could barely hear the announcers and you couldn't hear the audience at all.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I was so curious about this poll that I ended up watching the show, the broadcast afterwards, and I was like, oh, oh, it was much better experience life.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I would just say there's no comparison.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I actually felt bad that the conveyance of what people are in the show like watching it live, which is

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[SPEAKER_00]: Seeing it praises and then like everyone shows like yeah, I'm not getting that at all and they're like no I get like you're not getting that at all, but There was there was like that, you know that rock where he does the whole like the goose bumps thing There were moments in that show where you definitely had goose bumps moments

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[SPEAKER_02]: between how that Zack showed a match.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Like it was the best match on the show I thought, but was it like a match of the year that just didn't even call like come, come across that way on TV or the love it in the arena.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, okay.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Josh from keep it a strong style.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He came over and gave me like a double high five after that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And we have a celebrating that showed a fantastic match at the G1 because I don't know if you really picked up on this.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There's a lot of people that were believing it showed it was going to win the G1 this year.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, it's so wide open.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Like, yeah, I mean, I didn't think that, but yeah, I have seen a lot of people think in that.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Him, there, there's another one.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He had very clear pathway for him to go back for the global title, given that he didn't really have it for very long.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Only really had well successful title to have.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It was supposed to be against Gabe where he was going to drop it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And that would have really sealed the, you know, if you've got to come back for this thing before he could do anything else.

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[SPEAKER_00]: When I was there guys, the amount of people that I talked to that were convinced that this was showed as a year that he was going to win.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And the reason that he dropped the global title was so that he could go challenge for the IWGT at rest with Kingdom.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I was, I was really surprised.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't want to, I didn't want to like rain on eighth rate because they're really smart people who are following the product just as much as I, but I didn't, I didn't have that pathway.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know what I mean?

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[SPEAKER_02]: I think it's like until the new Japan audience, until the Japanese audience of new Japan pro wrestling accepts him at that level, I don't think it's going to work.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And that's the problem.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Like when he wrestles in Japan, those fans do not see him at that level.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Unfortunately, he has, he has pocket of like real following.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I think what really had happened is, he has not fully put the whole package together.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And he's also been just hamstringed by terrible luck.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's been put in Russell King to meet events that were set up to fail, essentially.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And he kind of took the brunt of that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He has this injury in the G1 here, all these different things that happened and it's one of these start-stop scenarios

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's going to all come together and this is all kind of going to be part of the tapestry of what gets them to be a top guy eventually it just.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's getting to be 30 years old, so one of the things this old should have happened a few years ago, so they could have had a sustained top guy in the in the promotion and it just kind of hasn't happened.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so just they got to get there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: This does not help, but I do think in the long run it will get the audience more behind.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, like maybe they'll be hot for him when

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[SPEAKER_01]: The, and I know you and Steven talked about seeing the show live and meeting a person all that stuff.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So if you want to hear even more in depth about that speaking of strong style, when up yesterday, live on YouTube.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And so it's on the YouTube channel.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It was also in our audio feed, and you can hear all of that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So,

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[SPEAKER_01]: Fast forward to this weekend, the night two of the G1 throughout the rest of the tournament.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I guess my question is, and this is coming from somebody, and I'm not, I'm not any different from others who back in the days of when we first started to get the New Japan World G1 stuff.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's like the heyday of New Japan for me, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: You're getting all of these really

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[SPEAKER_01]: And of the last couple of years, I have not really watched all of the G1 matches.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I've kind of, you know, kind of picked and choose my way through what I wanted to watch, whereas go back five or six years.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I was like watching everything.

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[SPEAKER_01]: For people who may be on the fence about watching the tournament,

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[SPEAKER_01]: and paying attention or thinking it's important.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, what reasons would you give them as to why they should tune in this year?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, what are you expecting from this class?

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[SPEAKER_01]: And, you know, the tournament is generally well-booked, the ups and downs and the comebacks and how folks actually win it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: What are some of your reasons, Jeremy, that people should go out of their way and check it out this year?

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think they're I think too when you asked me this came to mind and Paul I'm going to need your help on this one a little bit you had a tag team match in your like top five this year so far and I'm going to cite that as an example of at any given time at any given place on a new Japan show.

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[SPEAKER_00]: you could have one of the best matches of the year and the G1 is the most likely place where the match that you don't affect to blow your mind and knock your socks off whatever metaphor you see this and whatever you want to say of just like this was a great match.

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[SPEAKER_00]: This is where it happened.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Was it a, was it a she-e and ta-e-cheever since the knockout brothers?

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[SPEAKER_02]: No, it was, though, it was Tai Chi and a sheet against Umano and Umor.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, I was thinking about this today, I'm like, I'm going to mention this because I know he feels very strongly about this, but the Zack Saber Jr. OEW against Anako brothers was right up there too.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But that's what I'm saying.

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[SPEAKER_00]: All these guys are going to be in the G1 and we're not Tai Chi and a sheet, but the knockout brothers,

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I think like there's literally every night like there's one match that you know isn't going to be that and every other match could be that on any given night yeah any given night and the time to

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[SPEAKER_00]: is in the past.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I just, I have this feeling.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think they're going to be really watchable.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think that they're going to tell stories that I think are going to engage with people.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then the other point is if this tournament does it right, we're going to come out with the guy made and we don't have a made guy in New Japan.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like we don't have a guy just like head and head and shoulders but everyone else and this tournament should really give you the idea of who of the valuation of everyone in New Japan.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And if you're watching it, you're going to see exactly what the value is of Yoda Kudium, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you

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[SPEAKER_00]: in a post-Tonahashi world, in a post-Nido, in a post-Occado world, even in a world rock phrase and even really around all that much, but he kind of is.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There's got to be a guide to stand out and it's going to represent the vision and the future of what New Japan is going to be.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I find that to be honestly a really interesting prospect because we've been going a little bit aimless and a little bit blind with the direction of New Japan for the last year and a half and it really is time to like make a defining statement of what this promotion is about and this is this is the time of year where the most eyes are on New Japan and it should be

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[SPEAKER_00]: the stamp today in the tournament.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I don't know who it is.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I have my suspicions, but that we could talk about that too.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Now, I have a third one that kind of ties into your second one and it would be like if you don't have a ton of time, but you just want to check in and only follow one guy.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I would suggest that this tournament is whether he wins the tournament or not and I don't think he's going to and I think Jeremy thinks he is going to perhaps it's Aaron Wolfe.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Like I think that's the guy that you want to keep an eye on in this tournament.

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[SPEAKER_02]: He's as raw rookie as there can be.

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[SPEAKER_02]: He literally had his first match this year and he's improved at a remarkable level.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And now he's going to be in against the best wrestlers that New Japan has to offer he's going to have eight long singles matches over the next few weeks and you're going to see whether he's got it or not and if he's got it that's the guy who has that mainstream credibility with the fans like if you're if you're not over there you have no idea how big a star this guy is like it's.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It's ronda rousey maybe like but bigger maybe like you know at like in terms of like real world credibility like They got a network TV deal for this guy Brock Lesnar maybe like you know what I mean like that's how big this guy is and and if he can do it like Whether he wins a tournament or not if he can get to that level you're looking at a future Tokyo don't made a venture

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[SPEAKER_00]: You have some really interesting booking decisions being done with Aaron Wolfe in this comment.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I don't know if you picked up on this Paul, he is the guy that opened this entire tournament, him and then already.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: If you look at the B block final, he is his match is off to get to that last.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The other match is that we have our in our verses newman and the B block final.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We've got Drilla versus Shota, which is now off the table.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We have Oscar versus Uya, gave versus Rennerita, and what I have to assume being the main event on the final night is that Saber Jr versus Aaron Wolf.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And if you're gonna do that, that seems to be like a win and get in scenario.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I hate that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I've written out everybody's pathway in this whole thing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And Aaron Wolves, back half of this whole thing is Julia, Drilla, Ren, Calumnum and exact Saber Junior.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That is a murderous row of guys that if you're going to surpass and make your way to win the block, that would be the list of guys and generally that order that you'd have to moat out in order to do it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Stephen Conway on our podcast, uh, speaking strong stuff in a throw pack out there right there again, uh, he made the argument that there's been only two guys.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The TV saw he has nationally broadcast on both, uh, Dominion and rest looking in this past year that had been a main consistent between broadcast that if Yoda Suji and that is Aaron Wolf.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so if they do a neither broadcast at rest looking to nationwide,

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[SPEAKER_00]: Why would they not take those two guys and put them in a match together, Russell Jacob?

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I, so I have the same scenario as you, but I just have Zach's a Virginia beating him.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So he gets all the way and then doesn't quite make sure that's that's that's my thing, but I can totally see what you're saying and and I have you able to sue you winning the tournament.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Um, no, he can take his opponent so he can pick his opponent.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And, and you brought up, you know, something that I kind of heard or, you know, kind of, you know, like possibility of tattooing the eye to night.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, coming back.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And then that might be the opponent.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, and then I ran on that and that was quickly.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, that was a cold one.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Well, yeah, I mean, yeah, what either way, like, yeah, and, you know, and there's some symmetry there because that was the finals last year, and it was the main event of the first show this year.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So it could be the main event of the final night of the G1, and then you'll to suit you gets his win back.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, definitely think that Yota 2G is going to be booked exceptionally strong because he has to be my initial when I initially did my bracket.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I actually had a winning every single match.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And then I'm like, okay, that can't happen.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So I went back and yeah, and I do too.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And I can't remember which two I had them losing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I have got to be one of them because I figured having him wrestle 2G with that movie come out in Japan.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's good synergy.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So did you say you know?

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[SPEAKER_00]: No, go to go to.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, okay.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I have go to beating him in the in the block.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then come October when the Street Fighter movie.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that makes sense.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Because whoever he's going to lose to is going to get a title match between now and wrestling them.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So right make sense.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So, you know, you could have Rio.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You won't get one of those titles like do that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And but it doesn't make the block play.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You have Fuji, go to the block, have 14 points, whatever.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Nobody else has 14 points.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And the definitive statement, that's yeah, that's what I have as well.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I have a couple of people at 12 and that's where the last night comes into play where, you know, winds and losses really matter.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And I think my final four was I think I'd zack in there and

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[SPEAKER_02]: uh, Newman, I think.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So it's like Zach Newman, Suji and uh, Takeshta.

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[SPEAKER_01]: How much of the risk is it for them to put Newman into this tournament, considering his his injury status?

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's dicey, but as you can see anything can happen to anybody in this tournament and it's just.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So you watch that match live, like he was selling that shoulder a lot was that just selling her.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, I think I think the entirety of that match with you, you was going after that shoulder to like kind of like the killer instinct.

54:26.016 --> 54:27.397
[SPEAKER_00]: You're like, well, I said shoulder hurt.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I should go after it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, like he is so good.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Like, I mean, it's nobody knows how good he is like new men or you, new men, new men like Finn Bout.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah, like, and like, and like, that's what we call it in real life this weekend.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There's like a lot of people compare him like a version of a lot of right now.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He is, he's another version of $10.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I mean, he's got the natural comparison to Will because of the high flying, but he's toning that down anyways.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, like, you know, and he's got speed and he's got the power and he's the fricking psychology on that guy.

54:58.478 --> 55:02.621
[SPEAKER_02]: My god, Kevin, the prince, you know, like, well, I wasn't watching Ninja Pan back then.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So I don't, you know, I don't really, I don't, yeah, I don't really can't.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You can still feel like to caught now the way that, oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, they're they, they're they almost stalking method of the way that they do.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But he's he's going to have more size than, then, for example, you, yeah, you've deceptively huge because when he first came on the scene, I was like, you see him small.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then I saw him again, like a couple of, oh, he's big.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and he's going to put on muscle.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, yes.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I actually, I had, could you winning the A-block, and then I wouldn't vote an old leg to that kind of like surprise, because I think what they really want to do is have like a bunch of surprises, not like who you assume.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like to cash it out is going to be in there, because he spent so dominant, but he doesn't need to be like, yeah, he's the TV champion, he's the TV champion, he does not need to be in there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then in the B block, that one with tough, that one was very, very tough because you're instinctive, newman of the champion who won the New York fan cup, he should go in the post block play, ended up having him lose and have you.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Aaron win the block, and then you, uh, squeeze in afterward.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So, you, uh, would actually eliminate Yoda's Fuji and get the title shot in November or December, and then Aaron Wolff would end up being the guy to face off against Bontnull leg in the finals to face Yoda's Fuji and Rechleton.

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[SPEAKER_00]: that that sounds like a fun match.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it was a lot of new match ups that just kind of seemed like if you put it together like, oh, oh, I, I, I, I want this.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Do you guys trust the booking to kind of create the star that you're talking about?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, do you trust, because that's in the back of my head is like, do you get invested and then by the time it all said, it wasn't that great.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, you don't license the perfect example, charisma and the ability to connect with the audience has been primarily the driver and what he's gotten over and it's been the work rate that's been able to follow it up, but even if he just had that good work rate and none of that personality charisma, it wouldn't land as much and so that's where I'm crediting these wrestlers who are really able to connect with the audience and then.

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[SPEAKER_00]: the the officers getting behind it because they're like, well, it's working.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Let's go with it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I don't, I don't necessarily think that the officers, the ones that should be getting credit for this, but I do think that they should get credit for not getting in the way.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and in a way the same kind of things happening with Suji, like the fans clearly want him to be that guy and the booking of Suji for the last three years has told me that the office doesn't think he's that guy, but are saying, well, I guess for now.

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[SPEAKER_02]: you know, like that's kind of the impression you get.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm almost wondering if they're like, hey, you're getting a little too big for your bridges.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe we maybe you need to take it down a notch and part of me thought that the title taken off of him.

58:22.237 --> 58:23.679
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, April was one of those,

58:24.680 --> 58:27.741
[SPEAKER_00]: Hey man, you need to stop talking about the card game.

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[SPEAKER_02]: All right.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But by doing that, I mean, not only do they sabotage him.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Now they sabotage Newman because Newman has the title for like two months.

58:35.342 --> 58:39.083
[SPEAKER_02]: And then they did the same thing to show that they take off in the title and check it off.

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[SPEAKER_02]: What was that?

58:40.404 --> 58:41.784
[SPEAKER_00]: It was not that's for business.

58:42.064 --> 58:45.925
[SPEAKER_00]: No, it's a groundward for very important stories that they want to do a wrestling kingdom.

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[SPEAKER_00]: including Newman and Will, and so it was almost by necessity that you had to do this.

58:52.007 --> 59:08.993
[SPEAKER_00]: But at the same time, you sit there and you think, okay, they are deferring entire plans about the promotion to defer to a star from another promotion who will come and do one match at the cost of long-term building of our top stars.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And you think about the priorities in which

59:14.175 --> 59:32.634
[SPEAKER_00]: And you start pulling the thread and like, hmm, they made some decisions sometimes that does not seem to be in the best interest of the promotion or for short-term success, hoping that this one match will get other people to watch other matches on the card that are supposed to really engage you and be the ones that hook you to stay in the promotion.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I get it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I feel like that for the players, but

59:36.467 --> 59:44.113
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, the food you really should have just had that title the entire year and really established himself as like I am the guy to be and none of you can.

59:44.925 --> 59:52.529
[SPEAKER_02]: There was an easy and obvious way to have Suji retain in that match with Newman and and build the Will Osprey match.

59:52.909 --> 59:54.370
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, it was literally, it was right there.

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[SPEAKER_02]: He had the chair, Will wouldn't give it to him, and then Suji wins.

59:59.313 --> 01:00:03.295
[SPEAKER_02]: And then now Newman's pissed off at Osprey because why did you stop me from doing that?

01:00:03.515 --> 01:00:05.416
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, it's basic, it's simple, it's easy.

01:00:06.156 --> 01:00:07.157
[SPEAKER_02]: And they didn't do it.

01:00:07.637 --> 01:00:08.698
[SPEAKER_02]: And then Newman just beat him.

01:00:08.758 --> 01:00:10.519
[SPEAKER_02]: And it's like, well, why is he mad at Will?

01:00:11.059 --> 01:00:13.481
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, I mean, he won the title, like, what's the problem?

01:00:14.001 --> 01:00:19.425
[SPEAKER_02]: So yeah, it's, you know, and then they did that awesome promo exchange backstage, but who how many people watch that?

01:00:20.206 --> 01:00:35.057
[SPEAKER_00]: So, and they don't really, you don't push that stuff out of social media or like make sure that or like do a video package clip and make sure that it's like on a YouTube short somewhere, you know, just really hammering, hammering these

01:00:39.171 --> 01:00:52.828
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know why they don't do that, but I think they just did expect that the word of mouth and the anticipation in Japan with their really focused on and anything outside of Japan of like, it's just bonus, bonus edition.

01:00:55.072 --> 01:00:55.592
[SPEAKER_01]: Uh, okay.

01:00:55.652 --> 01:01:00.435
[SPEAKER_01]: So you guys have made your selections and we'll see how this thing plays out.

01:01:00.816 --> 01:01:09.801
[SPEAKER_01]: I kind of like Paul's idea of like following the, uh, the, like picking a wrestler to and following all the matches because New Japan world action makes it easy for you to do that.

01:01:09.841 --> 01:01:11.142
[SPEAKER_01]: If that was the way that you wanted to do.

01:01:11.162 --> 01:01:18.867
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, doing during the one guy's election and just following his pathways is the way to really not get overwhelmed in doing the tournament.

01:01:19.444 --> 01:01:24.827
[SPEAKER_02]: And then, yeah, if you have time, you can watch another one or whatever, but you pick one guy and say, oh, yeah, he's wrestling on Wednesday.

01:01:24.867 --> 01:01:40.756
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, I can watch that 20 minutes like you see one guy in the match, he had to like maybe I should go watch a couple of those guys matches and yeah, you know, that's you just kind of pivot over pivot is there is specific day that they kind of loaded that you guys are looking forward to the most.

01:01:42.408 --> 01:02:00.235
[SPEAKER_00]: There were a couple of matches that they had, unfortunately, like the show to gay match, were like, once the night kind of circle, but the way that I approached the G1 is that I take it week by week, because if you do it anything other than that, you just, you get sunk under the weight of it all.

01:02:00.736 --> 01:02:02.796
[SPEAKER_00]: And so this week, we got four shows.

01:02:02.816 --> 01:02:07.378
[SPEAKER_00]: They're Saturday, Sunday, Tuesday, and Wednesday, before we hit the next round of shows.

01:02:11.760 --> 01:02:15.142
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm looking forward to the drilling game match that we're going to get tomorrow.

01:02:16.562 --> 01:02:20.504
[SPEAKER_00]: Because it wasn't at the tournament here on the other day.

01:02:21.045 --> 01:02:26.487
[SPEAKER_00]: But we got, you know, really when Shingo is going to be pretty interesting.

01:02:26.887 --> 01:02:29.829
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, I said, Bolton tomorrow, I'm kind of like, who?

01:02:30.569 --> 01:02:31.630
[SPEAKER_00]: That one, that one there.

01:02:31.650 --> 01:02:34.511
[SPEAKER_02]: Dave had some awesome exchanges

01:02:38.838 --> 01:02:44.752
[SPEAKER_00]: Uh, author and Gabe should be interesting, but I also think Oscar Matt is all going to be.

01:02:45.761 --> 01:03:09.370
[SPEAKER_00]: people going after his lands and trying to capacitate him and and take down the toll giant and baby face told it's the same match is over and over again and we kind of already seen it like two matches in a row and going to play in so should be in everything I think you yeah and that's super junior have a match on Sunday night so that has a potential to be the best match of the weekend in all honesty.

01:03:10.250 --> 01:03:12.933
[SPEAKER_02]: For me, I just, I don't even really look at the cards ahead of time.

01:03:12.973 --> 01:03:15.395
[SPEAKER_02]: So I just kind of turned them on when they're on.

01:03:15.435 --> 01:03:18.579
[SPEAKER_02]: And a lot of times, you'll see my comments, oh, didn't know this match was happening.

01:03:18.899 --> 01:03:22.643
[SPEAKER_02]: So yeah, it's like, so for me, it's like, I'm just, I'm looking forward to certain guys.

01:03:22.843 --> 01:03:28.649
[SPEAKER_02]: And I'd say like, I mentioned Wolf earlier, Riojo, we always, the other one I'm super interested in.

01:03:28.769 --> 01:03:32.213
[SPEAKER_02]: And then like, he owed a suit he's been my guy since he was a young boy.

01:03:32.853 --> 01:03:35.996
[SPEAKER_02]: Like I've been, I've been behind that guy.

01:03:36.216 --> 01:03:39.038
[SPEAKER_02]: I was so thrilled when he was like doing commercials.

01:03:39.058 --> 01:03:44.042
[SPEAKER_02]: You know during the pandemic as a young boy, like they clearly, you know, that guy had something.

01:03:44.342 --> 01:03:49.746
[SPEAKER_02]: And so I'm like, I'm super invested in him and, you know, I'm so happy for his success.

01:03:50.807 --> 01:03:57.952
[SPEAKER_00]: I think you remember an Aaron Wolf are the guys, most likely to be facing Yota Fuji at rest looking.

01:03:59.422 --> 01:04:16.516
[SPEAKER_00]: The determination really has everything to do, not with who's the better wrestler, but who's going to pack a bigger house with the Tokyo don't and of the twenty guys better in the G1 frankly speaking Aaron Wolf is a guy that's going to pack that shit pack.

01:04:16.877 --> 01:04:17.177
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

01:04:17.197 --> 01:04:17.657
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

01:04:17.697 --> 01:04:18.178
[SPEAKER_02]: Absolutely.

01:04:18.198 --> 01:04:18.618
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

01:04:18.979 --> 01:04:24.023
[SPEAKER_00]: And what I saw how he wrestled against Yoshi Hoshie and what I saw how he wrestled against her and all right.

01:04:25.765 --> 01:04:33.436
[SPEAKER_00]: I put all my chips there man like he can go like he could do a match enough where it will be a passable rest of the kingdom made of it.

01:04:33.836 --> 01:04:40.306
[SPEAKER_00]: And if he breathes like all of these guys and he really putting like put in the work in over the next four months.

01:04:42.791 --> 01:04:46.654
[SPEAKER_02]: Because yeah, possible is not I don't think that's even given them enough credit.

01:04:46.694 --> 01:04:48.376
[SPEAKER_02]: I think you can have an excellent made of it.

01:04:48.916 --> 01:04:49.677
[SPEAKER_00]: I agree.

01:04:49.717 --> 01:04:51.558
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, like the baseline right.

01:04:51.698 --> 01:04:57.003
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, you need to just can you be pass at the entrance yet.

01:04:57.463 --> 01:04:57.843
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yeah.

01:04:57.863 --> 01:04:58.544
[SPEAKER_00]: They get out of it.

01:04:58.584 --> 01:05:09.653
[SPEAKER_00]: It's just like I was I was given the impression that Newsman knows that he's the good and they've been intentionally holding him back up to this point so that

01:05:10.220 --> 01:05:13.543
[SPEAKER_00]: when the G1 came, everyone was like, oh, oh, wait a minute.

01:05:13.983 --> 01:05:19.368
[SPEAKER_00]: And I don't necessarily agree with that approach, but it's starting to seem like that is actually happening.

01:05:21.666 --> 01:05:36.956
[SPEAKER_01]: Cool, glad to hear that there is still excitement for this thing, because it's an amazing idea and New Japan did it for years where I was like, this is one of the things I'm most looking forward to seeing all your long.

01:05:37.456 --> 01:05:46.202
[SPEAKER_01]: So hopefully I'm hopeful that they can keep the thing going and exciting and then coming out of it,

01:05:47.127 --> 01:05:50.708
[SPEAKER_01]: people are higher at a higher level than they went into it with.

01:05:50.748 --> 01:05:54.569
[SPEAKER_01]: So, okay, I guess, what?

01:05:54.609 --> 01:05:57.109
[SPEAKER_01]: Wait, Jeremy, are we doing redemption?

01:05:58.590 --> 01:06:00.150
[SPEAKER_01]: Probably, I think.

01:06:00.710 --> 01:06:10.632
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I mean, I just assume until you tend to be in telling me you have plans and real-life plans and you're not quite sure if you're gonna be able to watch it and make it.

01:06:10.652 --> 01:06:11.753
[SPEAKER_01]: It's not Saturday or Sunday.

01:06:12.193 --> 01:06:12.993
[SPEAKER_00]: I think it's on Sunday.

01:06:14.235 --> 01:06:15.075
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I think so.

01:06:15.115 --> 01:06:16.976
[SPEAKER_02]: So next Sunday.

01:06:17.056 --> 01:06:19.097
[SPEAKER_02]: And I think it's the only big show that weekend.

01:06:19.357 --> 01:06:19.597
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.

01:06:19.617 --> 01:06:21.498
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, I love live planning on the air.

01:06:21.718 --> 01:06:22.118
[SPEAKER_00]: That's great.

01:06:22.138 --> 01:06:22.279
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

01:06:22.719 --> 01:06:25.060
[SPEAKER_01]: So probably we'll be back.

01:06:25.200 --> 01:06:31.563
[SPEAKER_01]: And then Summer's lamb, we take, we've taken one night and we give Kila and Scott the other night.

01:06:31.663 --> 01:06:41.347
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know if Kila and Scott are going to do it, but that's kind of been what we've, I've given, you know, they, they, they've, they've, they've been taking a break from the rap because Scott's, uh, Scott's job.

01:06:42.047 --> 01:07:01.477
[SPEAKER_00]: So I had to cancel my ESPN subscription because they usually watch it elsewhere and I jumped on the show with Keela last time I had to get a subscription to watch it down the champion again, 11 am and I wasn't able to go watch it where I watch it I have to cancel that thank you for the reminder gentlemen you did the free gimmick.

01:07:02.135 --> 01:07:06.736
[SPEAKER_00]: Joe, I can't get the $30 from him, but I don't want to pay another $30.

01:07:06.756 --> 01:07:11.698
[SPEAKER_02]: Joe G is getting going to follow him in our discord because he gives you all the links to.

01:07:11.898 --> 01:07:13.038
[SPEAKER_02]: And these are legal, by the way.

01:07:13.078 --> 01:07:14.439
[SPEAKER_00]: Go away, free time.

01:07:14.499 --> 01:07:17.580
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm woe, where I just don't have the bandwidth.

01:07:17.980 --> 01:07:18.240
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.

01:07:18.460 --> 01:07:19.380
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, fair enough.

01:07:20.080 --> 01:07:20.921
[SPEAKER_01]: Joe, you did that.

01:07:20.941 --> 01:07:22.181
[SPEAKER_01]: You did all this.

01:07:22.241 --> 01:07:24.742
[SPEAKER_01]: I've created a process for this.

01:07:25.022 --> 01:07:25.502
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

01:07:26.082 --> 01:07:28.463
[SPEAKER_00]: They're the whole like 10 minutes where I sit there and I'm like,

01:07:32.349 --> 01:07:32.809
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think it is.

01:07:32.829 --> 01:07:34.050
[SPEAKER_02]: No, I mean, it was $30 to go through the process.

01:07:34.070 --> 01:07:50.801
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, yeah, yeah, oh, gotcha gotcha gotcha gotcha gotcha gotcha gotcha gotcha gotcha gotcha gotcha gotcha gotcha gotcha gotcha gotcha gotcha gotcha gotcha gotcha gotcha gotcha gotcha gotcha gotcha gotcha gotcha gotcha gotcha gotcha gotcha gotcha gotcha gotcha gotcha gotcha gotcha gotcha gotcha gotcha gotcha gotcha gotcha gotcha gotcha gotcha gotcha gotcha gotcha gotcha gotcha gotcha gotcha gotcha gotcha gotcha gotcha gotcha gotcha gotcha gotcha gotcha gotcha gotcha gotcha gotcha gotcha gotcha gotcha gotcha gotcha gotcha gotcha gotcha gotcha gotcha gotcha gotcha gotcha gotcha gotcha gotcha gotcha gotcha gotcha gotcha gotcha gotcha gotcha gotcha gotcha gotcha gotcha gotcha got

01:07:51.001 --> 01:07:56.884
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, I just can feel this one and I create calendar reminders from us.

01:07:57.164 --> 01:07:57.845
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, smart.

01:07:58.705 --> 01:07:59.906
[SPEAKER_02]: Just get closed to tell you.

01:08:00.306 --> 01:08:01.026
[SPEAKER_02]: It clawed.

01:08:01.046 --> 01:08:02.147
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, okay.

01:08:05.177 --> 01:08:07.218
[SPEAKER_00]: You're you're really going hard on it.

01:08:07.238 --> 01:08:08.038
[SPEAKER_00]: Like impressive.

01:08:08.058 --> 01:08:09.019
[SPEAKER_00]: You're really making the work.

01:08:09.639 --> 01:08:09.939
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

01:08:11.320 --> 01:08:11.720
[SPEAKER_01]: All right.

01:08:11.820 --> 01:08:14.101
[SPEAKER_01]: That is it from here.

01:08:14.221 --> 01:08:16.983
[SPEAKER_01]: Thanks for jumping on guys on a Friday.

01:08:17.743 --> 01:08:19.364
[SPEAKER_01]: Glad that Paul and I were able to do this.

01:08:19.464 --> 01:08:22.805
[SPEAKER_01]: And I think we'll be back on Tuesday as far as I know.

01:08:22.825 --> 01:08:24.686
[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, we'll have a lot to talk about.

01:08:24.766 --> 01:08:24.966
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

01:08:25.166 --> 01:08:25.467
[SPEAKER_01]: All right.

01:08:25.507 --> 01:08:27.287
[SPEAKER_01]: So for Paul and Jeremy.

01:08:27.448 --> 01:08:30.309
[SPEAKER_01]: I am double G. We'll see when we see you peace out.