Aaron Wolf’s Next Move & Shingo Takagi Marries Natsupoi | Speaking of Strong Style

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[SPEAKER_01]: After a post New Year's dash rest, New Japan is back this week with three shows in the general Tokyo area as part of the road to new beginning.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We'll preview each of them.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We'll take a look at some names that are better now for the new beginning in the USA show that's coming up in February and our beloved rampage dragon got married.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So a few things to talk about this week.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It'll be an interesting one, which you're going to be fine.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So and I'm Stephen Conway, this is Speaking of Strong Style.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Welcome everyone to speaking of strong style.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We discussed the news, issues and events surrounding new Japan pro wrestling.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We didn't have any events this week, but we have some news and issues.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Jeremy, how did you spend your week off?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Did you relax?

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[SPEAKER_01]: I watched a lot of other stuff this week.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I just kind of took in the general Japanese wrestling scene.

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[SPEAKER_01]: How did you spend the week off from new Japan live events?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Brother, I got to tell you the jet lag of the reel.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I said, well, I'm trying to recover from that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It is just about back to normal and everything.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But you know, just life to do with Ted and take care of stuff coming back from, you know, January, you know, January, you got stuff to do in the household, cleaning up and organizing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And basically, we had a lot of life maintenance to do, getting to done Stephen.

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[SPEAKER_01]: All right.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, we have Brad is with us glad to see you Jeremy is with us Jeremy or uh, and he has a question for us that we will get to a little bit later.

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[SPEAKER_01]: One, two, yeah, let's go out.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to wish, brand kid a happy birthday.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't want to put any extra info out there, but happy birthday to them and I hope that had a good.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, very nice.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Very nice.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so I guess the news of the week though, before we get to anything else, it's not a birthday.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It was an birthday, Shingo Takagi got married, and this one came out of the blue.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I have to say that not a lot of people were aware that this was a relationship going on.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, thank you, it's here too, good, good.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, Nat's a boy from Stardom has married Shingo Takagi, and most of us didn't even know they were together, isn't that cool?

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[SPEAKER_00]: What was there to say adorable the dragon got dragon team, you know, but I mean, we found someone that can tame the dragon.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm yeah, and the joke right itself, but in all honesty, they both look very happy.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They look so incredibly pleased with each other.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Stephen, I got to tell you, I find it absolutely hilarious in hindsight that we had a match with

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's all centered around go to a clenching go that he didn't have a family and he uh he uh he couldn't hold the title because he didn't have anything.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He didn't have anyone tying him down or anything like that and uh it turned out to be a rib since they've been dating.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's a

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, apparently so apparently they were already together at that point, but it was a kick to his bachelor hood has been sort of part of his in-ring persona for a while.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And so just to remind everybody what happened was a goto of course was tied to his family with the last of his father, which led to him dedicating some matches to him and then his kids being a ring side for a lot of his

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[SPEAKER_01]: run last year to the World Heavyweight title, and then of course, his kids were off into the front row for some of the biggest matches.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And his match against Shingo Takagi, he played that up and Shingo played into it saying that, hey, I'm single.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't have a family to disappoint.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And the pressure's not on me.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's all on you.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And of course, Goro came back with a well that I have, I have their support, which makes me stronger.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And of course, Goro ended up winning in post-match comments.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He said, I hope you find yourself a wife soon.

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[SPEAKER_01]: As it turns out, this was prophetic.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And not apparently not long after Jeremy, he proposed an ad-support.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That was, I guess he took it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Goro was already,

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[SPEAKER_00]: tongue and cheek taken credit for this on his social through the stranger than fiction sometime knows here's everybody this is all free you can find it on YouTube you can go to the press conference and the backstage comic from domain in 2025 it's all right there it's hilarious and hindsight that that's all played out of the way that it did

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[SPEAKER_00]: and the fact that actually did angles on New Japan television that played into things that either did or did not, you know, conversation and cutality and whatever you want to suppose one causing the other or vice versa.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know what I want to see?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Shouldn't you have been like, yeah, I'm dating this girl.

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[SPEAKER_00]: If you have want to do this, uh, do this angle.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We probably get a kick out of it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, you don't mean like, I am

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[SPEAKER_00]: They're looking for whatever to, like, fill these matches and go don't shingle in all honesty.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We'll get to fill it, so you might have got to have fun with the angle you're going to take with it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and the other thing that happened.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know if you remember this Jeremy.

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[SPEAKER_01]: This was kind of a A little aside, but there was a Christmas show.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think Dragon Gate did it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It was actually on Christmas day.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think it was Dragon Gate Yeah, or Corrican Hall and Shingo showed up as a surprise.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Dragon Gate might have been DDT

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[SPEAKER_01]: uh... who one of the smaller companies in shingo's showed up as a surprise and there was a small one on the microphone we were looking at like what hell you doing here and he just said i'm a single band of my forties on christmas but i'll also my gonna do you didn't have anywhere else to be like i accept and those days are over so uh... yeah and that's a point so i was looking at this german of course uh...

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[SPEAKER_01]: Last year, Konosuke Takeshta, former IWGP champion, married Yuka Sakazaki from TJPW.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So there's one rest, other wrestling couple right there.

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[SPEAKER_01]: There are others, but the one this reminds me of the most in a way is Ken's case, Sasaki and Akira Hokuto, who in the 1990s got married.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And what reminds me of it is that there,

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[SPEAKER_01]: in very similar places within their organizations, in that poie, one of the top performers in Stardom, and sometimes a main event, depending on the situation, she'll be a good challenger for any title in the company, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: She's a mental level wrestler.

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[SPEAKER_01]: As was Akira Hokido, one of the mix there in all Japan women with Bull Makano, Ashikong, Manami Toyota, and that whole crew.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And Kent's case, Sasaki, was an upper card wrestler for New Japan at the time as well, and not always the main event, but certainly capable of being in the main event.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He was one half of the power warriors with road warrior hawk when road warrior animal had his back issues and couldn't wrestle because he had his loings of London's settlement.

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[SPEAKER_01]: While there and couldn't, he was another guy that could challenge for a single title as well.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Looking at that, you have upper card guy for New Japan, the biggest men's company, top of the card level worker for all Japan women, you know, in Akira Hokuto.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And now you basically have that same parallel with with Shingo and Poise.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So pretty cool.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And of course, they both said they wanted kids.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And so now the start-in fans are sweating the countdown to Poise.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Each,

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[SPEAKER_01]: But nothing announced as of yet.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They had all the the requisite pictures of them with Mount Fuji in the background pictures of the rings and a very nice suit for Shingo Tagoghi on his wedding day.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They do look sporty.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They both looked.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They both looked like they were very beautiful people looking about beautiful on a beautiful day.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I guess we're going to have a little dragon ferries coming out of the street.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know what you call them steven, but I'm going to say she's the fairy that she's a fairy.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's a rampage dragon.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to come up with a term that's going to want a more streamlined and dragon fairy.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So we can do better.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We can do better, but we will lose our entire audience if we do this on the end.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But let me work shop some ideas on the scenes and I'll see if I come up with a better lingo for the fire wing if you want to call the

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[SPEAKER_01]: there's some, I bet there's something in children's literature about a fairy.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not cool yet.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not sure going to go do the war on it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm serious about this, but we will move all our wits for shit otherwise.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's a digression even for us.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I absolutely agree.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The one thing that I look at and I think about when you're talking about all this is

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[SPEAKER_00]: not only in Japanese wrestling, but in all wrestling, it can be such a lonely lifestyle, you know, and the fact that you can find somebody that understands intrinsically what you're doing on both that, you know, like as a husband and as a wife, you know, if you're on the same page, it is probably going to be one of the healthiest relationships that you could have going forward

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[SPEAKER_00]: because they're in that, they're in that same tunnel, you know what I mean?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like they're walking parallel lives and it makes easier to hold hands.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think that's a reason why quite a few performers are with other performers, just because what you just said, if you go to a nine to five all day, or each day on nine to five Monday Friday, it's a challenge to understand the lifestyle, it's a challenge to understand travel and being gone waiting home all the time with that kind of stuff.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Knowing that like you go both ways and like if you have to sacrifice you understand that the other person is also going to like,

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, return that sacrifice in some way, you know, like everybody, everybody does what they have to do for the best of the relationship.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That kind of thing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I like that's good.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I checked around with some other people that are in the know about stuff and almost no one knew about this.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They can't, and I was saying that, well, I agree.

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[SPEAKER_01]: What I'm saying is the shingo and boy should hold a seminar for other wrestlers to how to keep the lid on things successful.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to talk to Kesha and Yuka about how they did it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, that also caught everyone like, oh, no kidding.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, do we're cute?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Also, you know what I mean?

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[SPEAKER_01]: But you hear about people saying that, you know, the fans are too too much in my business and things like that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And yet these two carry on relationship for almost what is a year and a half and all that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, we're getting married.

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[SPEAKER_01]: No one knew about it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They should they should give lessons.

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[SPEAKER_00]: This is a community that I know about relationship could wrestling, but it that are public knowledge.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Sure.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But the whole idea is like,

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[SPEAKER_00]: I doesn't make my job better and I'm not better in a podcast because I out somebody's like personal life, you know what I'm saying?

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's like, and I'm thankful that we have like a culture in New Japan, wrestling and a hero in general that's just like, okay, it's not, it's not germane to the conversation and people don't actively like seek out this kind of knowledge and they can live their lives in a bit more privacy.

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[SPEAKER_01]: the big congratulations to them.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I hope they're happy.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I hope it works out.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's terrific.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I think we're all rooting for both of them.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Both of them are very, you know, it's one of those things where

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[SPEAKER_01]: with the exception of that uglyness in the dragons gate dojo that happened a few years ago shingle has had a mostly good reputation within the business and and poise pretty much spotless and and there have been no incidents since that awful dojo thing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, it's there've been nothing since anyway so hopefully that's all behind him and and what we don't know what we've done behind cloaked or to make thing great and what like

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[SPEAKER_00]: If people that you believe are a good judge of character, believe he has good character, it's good enough for me.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and then boys well liked and things.

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[SPEAKER_01]: One of my favorite, the reactions to it was Cere, who was generally now they're just being one of boys best friends in real life, to had a picture of the two of them on the wedding and she's looking back at the cameras like what the hell.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And as if she was unaware, like the rest of us, which of course is silly, but it was a funny little bit that, because everyone was just kind of like, oh crap, like you said, it's cool, I'm glad that they were able

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[SPEAKER_00]: revealed the relationship on their own terms.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, everything about it, I just, I'm glad that when this news is coming out, the pictures of them are smiling, they're happy, they did it on their terms, and now they're moving forward and everyone knows.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Perfect.

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[SPEAKER_00]: This is how it should be.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Uh, Vankan mentions a couple of things here, they're funny.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So, boy, did mention on the press conference take long rides from the center of cities.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's probably peaceful.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's nice.

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[SPEAKER_01]: uh... and then uh... they can also just says a two-hour shingo jim session during a date though well hey you know you got it you got to stay in shape you got to work out these guys are pretty much addicted they have ways to uh... keep liberal

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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, you know, it's one of those things where, you know, it's a part of the job, part of those jobs, those gym sessions, I'm going to ignore that, trying to prevent nice respectable program here, but yes, you know, I'm happy for them, congratulations to mostly, I'm curious to see the reaction the next time they have live shows at the crowds going to acknowledge it in some way, I think it'll be fun if they do.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm sure they'll have a tongue-in-cheek moment somewhere where, like, oh, I'm like, if I've happened to Vegas, you know, if they know what happened to be in Vegas, for all those conventions, I'm popping an April.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I've got no doubt that they'll be like a bunch of people popping if they're in the ring together.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, they're both back in action this weekend.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The New Japan will be back in the blue gesture show that we're going to talk about a bit and Jeremy or ask if that show is worth watching and we're going to get to that in general worth watching Jeremy.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, and there's another reason but there but we'll give you specifics about that and I'll get to your question also about what the best New Japan book is so far.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And he asked me, I was like, just that Steven.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, so a blue Justin, of course, starred them is coming back this weekend as well.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's a rough rough week in some ways for starred them in that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, what happened with Ducila?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that doesn't look good.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Ni, it looks like she may have torn up her knee a little bit.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And Mom and maybe not even a little bit.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We don't really know for sure, but it actually was on a run.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And she's not on a run anymore.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and that's too bad because she was really doing well in and start him and was a real bright point.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's a bit different.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I hope that she heals up and found out that Saki Kashima is going to retire.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It all started a grand queendom and I just don't know what to do about that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm so upset.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Saki's.

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[SPEAKER_01]: wonderful character of the the coward of the county, you know, like she is the she is the one that hides and and has that kill shot of a roll up that always works pretty much.

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[SPEAKER_01]: She's got a so she's the one that will run and hide, run and hide, tag your partners and disappear for a while and then come into the ring, hit a roll up and win the match.

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[SPEAKER_01]: you know, just like that kind of thing to drive everybody nuts and she doesn't the fun way, but it looks like Saki is stepping away from the ring and that'll be in Yokohama in April, which it's a loss.

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[SPEAKER_01]: She's in her, she's in her 30s and then from what I have heard has her eye on another career after wrestling and

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[SPEAKER_01]: Again, good for her.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Anyone who is smart enough to take care of themselves after the business is all right with me.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think it's a wise decision to prepare for life after wrestling.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It sounds like she's ready to take that next step.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We're not going to talk about a punch with another bum card.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There's a lot to be able to walk away and do something else.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm glad that you enjoyed your time watching her in the ring.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And yeah, let's see.

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[SPEAKER_01]: former, right now you have debuted for startup.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So that was a big week for the bushy road, the Joshua style, the side of bushy road, and then they're back out there this week.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The two-fingered food soldier is there.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He's still doing it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and still singing her way out to the ring right there.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And that's that's Brad mentioned that that's instead of the height.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We have the high speed genius in the Cogama.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Our slow speed queen is hanging it up.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And he's not a let me.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I want to ask you this at all.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I don't know if it's the right podcast for it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But, you know, we got a little bit of time here.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Maki Edo, it started.

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[SPEAKER_00]: is this going to be a case of she is going to get better because of being a start-up or start-up is going to slow down to accommodate her.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think she's improved quite a bit since the mess of her A. W. appearances, which were which were cringey to say the least, but

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[SPEAKER_01]: She's been in TJPW and there is talent in TJPW.

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[SPEAKER_01]: She's a better wrestler than she was back then.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And she will improve with Stardom.

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[SPEAKER_01]: There's no question.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I think that the iron will sharpen the iron and she'll get better.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think that the Stardom wrestlers will need to

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[SPEAKER_01]: Slow down that much.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They'll bring her along.

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[SPEAKER_01]: How about that?

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[SPEAKER_01]: They'll bring her along against the top level worker.

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[SPEAKER_01]: She will be the one being carried.

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[SPEAKER_01]: No question about that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But I don't think it's as much lifting as it would have been two, three years ago.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I think you have said in the start, I'm Do Jo, she's never trained with them, you know, again, I hate to do that because I'm not the start of scholar that I am on right, but I'm just like this is really the first like this is the first time she's going in the start and ring on like a tour.

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[SPEAKER_00]: As mock the Edo correct the one that we that we like the iteration that we currently know this is this is a really a first time run kind of thing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, exactly, it's starting there.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Jeremy is asking, what age do you think most wrestlers should retire in general?

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[SPEAKER_01]: And that really varies from person to person.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm there to the under no age it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I'm going to punt on that one.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's whatever your body's telling you and you should probably listen, you should almost always listen to it before it starts yelling at you, which is when most rest of us retire until the screen so much their death and they literally can't get in the ring anymore, but they should listen to their bodies a little more there are people that are hitting their peak at the time were 40 years ago people were told to hang it up because they're too old and granted the

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[SPEAKER_00]: the way that you put the mileage on your body back then versus the care that people put on them now and they're and honestly the progress in medical health and you know recuperating from injuries has changed the game but I mean well there's there's a big given take in their Jeremy on that and and when you look at let's take somebody from the 70s or the 80s today

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[SPEAKER_01]: nutrition.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We know far more about it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: How to keep your body in good shape, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, far better.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We're far better with rest and recovery.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Hydration.

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[SPEAKER_01]: All that stuff wasn't really a thing in the 70s and as much in the 80s, that's all in the good category.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Can make your career last longer.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Surgery is far better than it was.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Way better.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Better than it was 10 years ago.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Let alone all the way back then.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That type of thing can extend your career.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But here's the big one.

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[SPEAKER_01]: back then, they worked a lot six, seven days a week.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But they worked a very whole different people who worked 400 days a year.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But yes, they did.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, he did.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Uh, Hogan was a time traveler.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So he has, uh, Logan.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So he got in the head more than I thought.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The point is though, today,

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[SPEAKER_01]: guys are working a much, much more brutal style on their own bodies, the bumps and everything else.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Nick Bachwinkle wrestling brilliantly into his late 40s, early 50s.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And that's difficult now with this style to make it that far.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, look at the people who staggered to the ring.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I don't mean because they were messed up on anything, but because their bodies are destroyed.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Kenny Omega, well, I'm not sure you like.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I know, can't walk, you know, they can barely walk.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And it's the style today, makes it much harder and shortens careers just as medical science tries to make them longer.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I didn't really expect this question to come up at all on a stamp, but I've been thinking about this a lot online was watching all of those legends come down to the ring and they were absolutely fucking wrecked like Omega and Abushi wrecked coming down to the ring offspray.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He looked like he was holding it together, but in real life, like that dude, that dude had had a long day, and felt like, and he might not be like, I'm like, constantly in pain.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, you know, he was getting out a really like tough day and that's not like he was going to do anything to be there and rightly so.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I applaud him.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But I'm all going to tell you, I saw him many, many times

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[SPEAKER_00]: He'd away, and that dude looked like he was just, he was not having the best day.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know what I mean?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like you just, like you got it out kind of day.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I just think about all this.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I think about, man, I really hope that J.

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[SPEAKER_00]: White in O'Cotta when they hang it up with their style of wrestling.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Their body isn't as wrecked as somebody's other guys who have absolutely like put it to the map just to hang.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We can't do this with all the top health, like they can't, we can't watch the strong style and not be overly concerned with the damage that these people have put on their bodies and not like have to weigh the consequences of that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think about that far more than I care about whether the house of torture sucks or not.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know what I mean?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like that kind of that kind of mindset of just like what role will I taking in all of this by going on air and talking about how awesome this match was when they nearly kill each other.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, there's that that you weigh and it's

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[SPEAKER_00]: There's a compounding thing where you just have to feel like you have that responsibility and watching all these guys coming down the ring and knowing that I've seen all of them live just absolutely blow away the crowd.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But you also do that like, oh God, that bomb.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But you just kind of move on with everything.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They feel that for God knows how long and I'm just

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[SPEAKER_01]: that's why the shots to the head bother me far more than they used to as well.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The cognitive problems that that causes.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't like when they start slapping the crap out of each other at all because that's real.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's a real concussive blow to the head.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That is true.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And it's why I get so mad about what Shabbat did that almost killed him and was

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[SPEAKER_01]: very, very reckless toward his opponent, Okato, put trust and trust his body to him.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I think it's about abuse that trust and almost killed himself in the process with doing dumb stuff.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I'll just say it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It was unintelligent for Shabbat to do with some of that stuff.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And there are other things like that that are,

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[SPEAKER_01]: that are really stupid that the guys do sometimes and it's like stop hitting each other in the head like that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's supposed to be a work, knock it off.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then you know, you see some of the stuff like Jeremy or mentioned, and Bankan mentioned, that they think the 40s is a good, in their, in your 40s is a good time to retire, but I'll counter it with this.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Look at somebody, it's, it is, because look at Menoros Suzuki.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Who, who, who, who, who, who, who.

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[SPEAKER_01]: in his 50s, yeah, and, you know, but works a style that doesn't involve falling off the top rope on his head all the time.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, like everybody is doing in, in, in, in, in New Japan sometimes, and then certainly in the, the American companies, these guys are destroying their bodies.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Why crazy?

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I was looking at this too, I was watching Lucha and it occurred to me why I've been watching a lot of Lucha Libre too.

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[SPEAKER_01]: how few not zero, how few flat back bumps.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Luchador's take.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They do a lot of dives.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, and Neon hurt himself.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Pretty bad.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, that's that is dangerous.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not trying to say that they work a safe style.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But when they do the dives, it's almost always on to somebody catching them.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Even when they jump off the top rope into the ring, it's almost always on someone catching it's because their rings are hard as rocks.

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[SPEAKER_01]: the dives are to the outside you don't see a whole lot of flying elbow drops not zero but you don't see a lot of them in lucha and and fewer flat back bumps than you see in American wrestling not a lot of power bombs because of those damn rings but it's that working style though these guys it's so hard on these guys bodies that you're seeing people that are way too young be moving like that you know these guys are moving like 60-year-old NFL players

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think about the thing, you know, like where you feel like they're on all of you.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's like

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[SPEAKER_00]: limit where you absolutely can't go in the ring anymore, you shouldn't be in the ring.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then I see a guy like sting that absolutely like terrificed up when he goes in the ring in his 60s and you're just like, okay, there's ways to do this where you can't say no to somebody if they can reasonably entertain a crowd and everybody's happy with it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You have guys in

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[SPEAKER_00]: way in their 50s, they're retiring, but they can still do what needed to be done on an undercard of a ship.

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[SPEAKER_00]: If we're talking about like on a main event level, now you don't need to hang it out like yesterday.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He can no longer go and the idea that he is going to be viable in a top act and a top promotion after what I've seen in person after all

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[SPEAKER_00]: you're going to get, you know, it's here, you're going to get it needs that's all that's like you're the same night out, you'll just work and you know by not going to get better and counting on these, you know, some of these guys at this point to stabilize the future is not the way to go.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But like retiring.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The cup to them, it's just where their viability is in building promotions going forward.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's no longer at the top earning level.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Anything can happen at any time, but I feel like Zack Saber Jr. is another guy who could if he works as current style wrestle into his 50s.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Absolutely, you know, he just doesn't do a lot of splattering himself, you know, that's, that's not to be discounted that he just doesn't split it all.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's different for every part.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He can make money into his 50s just be scary that Clapper Junior that, you know, who will turn you into a pretzel without a sweat, even at like 48, you know what I mean, he just.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, look how smart Toriano is, who after being a very violent wrestler with a great bash heel, adopted this style and he could do this all day, every day until, you know, until he's 70 and not really changed a whole lot.

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[SPEAKER_01]: A couple of comments, I would do want to get to right there is vanking message, he thinks that, oh, I'm sorry, go ahead, Jeremy, before I said, let's do it, the couple.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Uh, I can say that I do think Tam took the time ideal time to retire despite how much he misses her.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Uh, Brad mentioned something.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Here's a guy, action Mike Jackson.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, love Mike Jackson.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So still working in the 70s on 50 years in the business.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Mike Jackson was an enhancement wrestler on TBS and on Mid South and all the Southern territories.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He also trained wrestlers and he would.

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[SPEAKER_01]: load up a car of them and take them to TV tapings like in Atlanta or in a streetport Louisiana for Mid-South and he did I think Alabama for the fullers in South Eastern wrestling and he would take his little Mary band of trainees down there and they would do the TV jobs.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They would they would be the guy the the other guys right uh yeah the guy and uh the enhancement talent and my Jackson was a fabulous worker.

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[SPEAKER_01]: A really really good worker and still works fairly well.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But again we're talking a

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[SPEAKER_01]: still is and do it 70s and George South by the way, another one that ain't have bad still to this day.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But again, not a guy that took incredible bumps, you know, not a guy that was getting thrown off the top ropes and things like that and taking power bumps, just somebody that just worked in intelligent safe style and

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[SPEAKER_01]: Times change.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You can't wrestle like they did in the 70s and 80s now and entertain the crowd.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's a different world.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I do.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I promise I do understand that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I would like there to be a bit of a happy medium between the constant landing on the head.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And this, you remember, Jeremy, we have said on this show that we have watched Tetsu Yenaito Koto Bushi matches.

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[SPEAKER_01]: through our fingers like hands over our eyes and things like that because we're scared those two in particular used to do horrible things to one another in the right and sometimes the trust was a little bit between the two of them and they would just take terrible bumps on the top of their head and I would sit there and watch the stuff and the guys who can't keep doing this it's just not going to work out I mean what did

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[SPEAKER_00]: quite himself and he was just faking it till he made it and he took a bump that he wasn't prepared to take and now and now we're where we're at, sooner or later like at just this couple more avoidable.

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[SPEAKER_00]: These guys just have to be told no.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know what I mean?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like Darby Allen has to be told no sometimes of which he has to be told no like you see the thing with his brother setting his brother on fire Darby I was I like Darby what a dumbass thing to do good Lord.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I worked so much about that dude like I just I walked him and I He could not have the one I just feel complicit in watching here again.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't I

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[SPEAKER_00]: and different with every wrestler, you know what I mean?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, when we're no longer comfortable watching them in the ring, then it's time to hang them.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Jordan from Canada said some nice things by the way, Jordan, I really appreciate some of the comments you made there earlier.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But they said that just saying that he appreciates a stream and he likes to show a fence.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Thank you, Jordan.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He also says the fans don't want to see people permanently hurt.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Absolutely correct.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Jordan goes on to say there are a lot of, please don't die, chance during ladder matches.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And some of that's kind of some of that, and only a little bit though it's tongue and cheek.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I really think that there are times when they're setting up, I call them cheerleader towers,

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[SPEAKER_01]: AEW does this a lot.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So to WWE, this isn't a, you know, but where a guy goes in a corner and two other people go in the corner and someone power bombs their own partners, ass and I, it looks, it's stupid.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And they do all these stupid cheerleading spots.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's what they are.

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[SPEAKER_01]: If you watch the series cheer on Netflix, that's what the young bucks and what the Uso's, they do all this crap.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And it's just a big cheerleading tower that they do.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But everybody splatters at the end.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And it means nothing to the mash.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm just like,

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think the thing that I don't like about ladder matches is when there's a guy that very clearly does not like ladder to a ladder match.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think the one that has the plastic is Damian priest in a ladder match, I think for somebody in the bank and say you just like he is not about it at all.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He doesn't want anything to do with it and he is just he's doing the bare minimum to show that he had purchased the story, but it's like ladder matches were not what he was into at all.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, it was the thing when I was a kid, and I promise we're going to talk about New Japan eventually.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I haven't fun with this.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, when I think that was I was a kid that thank God is gone from wrestling the scaffold matches.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Do you remember scaffold matches way back in the day?

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[SPEAKER_00]: I do and I remember coming back home.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, they were and they weren't good and there's no way to have a good match on top of a scaffold.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But it was supposed to be this era danger, but uh,

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[SPEAKER_01]: some of these guys were afraid of heights didn't want to go up there and uh... two of them but they didn't have anything while they have fear is a great way for something to go wrong well barbarian and the warlord the powers of pain right we're in uh... working for crocket and they had them in a field with the road warriors where they beat the hell out of the road wars and then they were going to have a series of scaffold matches with the road wars and barbarian and warlord looked at each other just going well they're not going to throw hawk and animal off the thing that means

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[SPEAKER_01]: left out.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That was it didn't do the matches.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They just said, piss on this.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm out.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I think that was probably the smartest moves they ever made in their careers because God knows the midnight express took that pounding of losing a bunch of scaffold matches over time.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Jim Cornett destroyed his own knee taking his one bump off the off a scaffold, a little on the poor Bobby Eden Dennis Connery and such did.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So it's yeah, those scaffold matches.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, exactly Jordan and Port Jim Cornett's knees.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, they are, that's the problem.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But like, their bumps, like they're taking bumps, they're not doing stunts, like they're different here.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, stunts are better thought out.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And they're better prepared for them.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And they're more safety measures for stunts.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, when you do stunton pro wrestling, you see all the padding.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You see all the preparation that goes into it when they have a prepared bump that somebody does off of the top of a entryway to the ring area.

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[SPEAKER_00]: like they have the fake spark that like go flying that are prepared to do.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like the DACA stunt, the wrestlers are taking bumps.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like wrestlers are not stunt people inherently.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but Jeremy says, you know, he scares him sometimes and New Japan to more holes more holes less high spots.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's hard.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I hope there's a medium and I think there's I think there is a way to work smarter or not just more spectacularly with anyone that goes through a table and New Japan scares me immediately.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I see all that metal like gaming on the other side of the tables and it's like just one time just one time it is going to get narrowly.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, that game kit match was a great example of it, where he did, they went through the table with a, with a desparados partner Shkawa and he goes through the table blades himself cuts his forehead, bleeding all over the place he's smashed through the table and then he gets up and goes on offense and met nothing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Met nothing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Nothing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The man.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Didn't change anything.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It was just a bump.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He didn't have to take and another slice on his forehead.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He didn't have to do.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And that's the kind of stuff we could do without in wrestling.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I love Julia.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Man, when she was in startups, she would blister people with headbutts.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Real ones.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And just like knock that shit off.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Nobody wants to see.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Nobody wants to see.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We don't want to see that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We don't want to see these guys actually injury each other.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So different world, you don't have to convince people that it's real anymore.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like we know that this is a work, we know it's a performance.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Stop hurting each other.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, that's the thing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Jeremy just says Darby O'Break is neck.

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[SPEAKER_01]: If he keeps going this way.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And, you know, don't help it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and Brad mentioned Zach Saber, Jr. Capola Suzuki card and work that style for years.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And he, buddy, laughs when old wrestlers take two bumps in a match.

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[SPEAKER_01]: People complain about that, but good.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Work smarter and not harder.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I absolutely agree with that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Live it off the vibes.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Get your match paycheck.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's how we do it in our Suzuki.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's got the hustle down.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I love it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Every time he comes in and shows up for a match and, you know, he does his little minority Suzuki saying, I watched him at the, uh, I watched him at that no a show line.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I was like, fucking pro came in.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe took like one bomb.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Everything was all just like push us and shoves.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I was like, you're in, you're out.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Didn't take the loss.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Bye.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Did you see him cosplay?

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[SPEAKER_01]: I come in Jero recently.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I did.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so much fun.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think I was just living his best life now.

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[SPEAKER_01]: This is who he's doing whatever the hell he wants.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He didn't know what he wanted to do.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's old man to Zuki and whenever he showed up, people cheer.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's great life.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And a couple of things here, both Brad and Bankan mentioned, start them having everybody outside the ring when people do dives, helps a lot.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They jump into the big piles, not just their opponents, but also the ring attendance and things there.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They're protecting the people and their,

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[SPEAKER_01]: cushioning.

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[SPEAKER_00]: How fun was it?

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't really think that that of A.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, I said to my heard scenario rather than a dead practice.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, maybe so.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, maybe it was a, yeah, it's the best practice from a lesson learned, isn't it?

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[SPEAKER_02]: No, it's correct.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's a good point.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Good point.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That was probably a moment.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's one of those things where you see a warning sign that makes you go sideways like that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: If you get to be a better practice for the company, we do not want another of those

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, exactly.

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[SPEAKER_01]: All right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So, uh, just like everybody can move on, it's fine.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Some general thoughts right there.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The fun fun stuff.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, another thing I wanted to mention by the way, there is a neat little video on YouTube that was just uploaded.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I just want to plug this because it gives you a little bit of insight that you don't always see.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Uh, it was done by Shotsie Blackart.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You remember Shotsie from WWE and I see you remember Shotsie Blackart.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I've

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[SPEAKER_01]: I want to mention this because she has a vlog as do a lot of wrestlers, and she had her first run in Japan.

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[SPEAKER_01]: She did, I think, three matches for GCW, not terribly long ago, and she added together a little vlog of her trip to Japan.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And the reason I want to put it over is you get some behind the scenes look at both Shinjuku face and cortical and hall that you don't

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[SPEAKER_01]: always get.

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[SPEAKER_01]: She wrestled the corticone.

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[SPEAKER_01]: She wrestled at Ed Shinjuku face and she stayed in the Godzilla hotel.

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[SPEAKER_01]: There's a hotel in Shinjuku with a giant Godzilla head on at the breathe fire at night.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Pretty cool.

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[SPEAKER_01]: She stayed in that hotel, which has a Godzilla theme, not just kind of rad.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, she goes to Nakano, which is neighborhood in Tokyo with a lot of vintage toys and games stuff.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But, and she gets her Rivera jacket from the famous steakhouse where foreign wrestlers, of course, a big status symbol is getting your Rivera steakhouse jacket.

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[SPEAKER_01]: In fact, if you know, it's a lot of, a lot of my profile pictures are me standing in front of a Rivera steakhouse.

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[SPEAKER_00]: A lot of wrestlers that are very upset that they never got their Rivera steak jacket despite other people.

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[SPEAKER_01]: not everybody gets one so shots he did a match for GCW in which she a blood mocking you know as a matter of fact use the pizza cutter runner and she blood and what I loved about this journey is she goes to Rivera with the blood still on her face like dried blood on her face is her badge of honor and that's how she went goes to to a Rivera and gets her jacket so she got her jacket with the blood silenced very metal very metal over but it's cool because you do get to see a little

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[SPEAKER_01]: you get to see a little bit of the backstage areas that we don't normally get to see a little bit of that and then just overall I think she did an excellent job of just showing what it's what it's like to be in Japan as a wrestler and you know runs into some people who who know her and some of the stuff that the fans make for her a lot of those fans that you see at ringside with the pictures and a lot of those are made by that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Those aren't

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[SPEAKER_00]: souvenirs necessarily that you buy a sandwich we pop your Japan given her work and hey with idle status there she probably should probably get on it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I have all of you mentioned that the Colson's movie theater to my house is actually Godzilla themed.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They're like a whole Godzilla set up in Alamo draft house when they decided to make it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They decided to just go wild as to Godzilla theme and I'm probably not watching this video.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Will that?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Austin's very young?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm very excited to go see the new Godzilla movie there this next year when it comes out.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Godzilla minus zero.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So anyway, she goes to a couple of venues that you're probably familiar with, and it's worth taking a look at, and she's she does a good job.

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[SPEAKER_01]: She's engaging in the thing and and the interesting blog worth worth worth your time.

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[SPEAKER_01]: How about that?

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[SPEAKER_00]: But, all right, what have we got on the plate for all the new Japan now that we're all right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: So we are back on the road Sunday so that we have shows Sunday, Monday and Tuesday, three consecutive days and this almost does it for the month of January.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Apparently they did a private show for Haromu's school this week.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it does look like if I'm not available anywhere to see it was 100 year anniversary of the opening I believe it's the reason that they decided to go and do that yeah exactly so yeah the unbound was it the unbound Unbound company

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[SPEAKER_00]: Uh, that's their faction.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They're in there.

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[SPEAKER_01]: There was the main event.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They were of course.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I think they went over in it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But that that was it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So we have Blue Justice.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So this is of course the show in Cheba, which is in Greater metropolitan Tokyo.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Uh, if you hear of, uh, Narita Airport, Narita Airport is in Cheba.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So, uh, some people that flying in Tokyo actually go into Cheba and take, uh, I did the first time I went to Japan.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We flew into Cheba.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Do you think Ren Narita only flies in through Narita Airport?

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[SPEAKER_01]: I would hope so.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It would be weird seeing him and Henaida, but it's a lot closer, by the way.

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[SPEAKER_01]: If you can fly into Henaida, fly into Henaida, but anyway, on January 18th, Sunday, Nagada is a course in the main event.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He's the promoter.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Usually does a good job promoting these shows.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They usually get a pretty good crowd in Chiba.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He'll be teaming with Toriano, Bolton, Oleg, and Aaron Wolff.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Aaron Wolff has third match.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Now, we saw the first match at rest of Kingdom.

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[SPEAKER_01]: got beat down thrown to the outside of the ring and I was it so we'll see what he does and so Jeremy or you mentioned earlier is blue justice worth watching this show is mostly preview tags

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[SPEAKER_01]: it's mostly skippable, but I'm very curious to see what Aaron Wolf does in these road to new beginning because he has a match with Narita coming up at new beginning in Osaka, his first title defense of the never open way title.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He needs to learn a few things, you know, a few more things.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And what can we mention last week?

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[SPEAKER_01]: I find with him just doing the stuff he does well.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The last thing in the world he wants for this guy to look ordinary.

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[SPEAKER_01]: What I'm hoping is he's been in the dojo almost daily since then, and if he does three things in this match, great.

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[SPEAKER_01]: If he does four things in his next match, good.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Just build him up slowly, but I am curious to see where he is to me.

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[SPEAKER_01]: This match at least is worth watching just for him.

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[SPEAKER_01]: On the house of torture side, it's Narita.

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[SPEAKER_01]: evil, usual talk of how she and Dick Togo.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So you can kind of see where this is going because they have the house of torture.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't want to call him jobbers, but the guys that take the losses for house of torture.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The least protected guys from house of torture are in this match.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then you have Nagata, the hero on the one side, maybe his son will be at ringside again.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Nagata, son is, is, uh, the blue justice show.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They're going to win the match in some way, shape or form.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's probably going to be Aaron Wolfe and Eugene Nagata in some way, like getting what over on you, Gerard Dictogo, because you're still going to have to set up red and Aaron Wolfe going forward.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so,

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[SPEAKER_00]: you want to make that still viable, but it's the blue justice show.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It, you know what I mean?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, this isn't the night, do I?

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[SPEAKER_00]: And to have the heels go home?

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[SPEAKER_01]: No, certainly not, yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And Jordan for Canada mentions he loves Aaron Wolf's throws.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He enjoys seeing him do that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And Vankin does too.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He says, I like that he throws people around.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, he got it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It only makes sense to use it, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, geez, the guy's a star judo player.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then Brad mentions, I watch King them with my dad on Sunday.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, cool, let's see.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And he loved Aaron Wolf.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He's a big fan of Olympians becoming wrestlers.

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[SPEAKER_01]: His favorite wrestlers Kurt Angle.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And he had so much fun watching Aaron.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Very good.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Good for Aaron Wolf.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, we all came in with this whole

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[SPEAKER_00]: if he going to be able to deliver or nervous about him, he had it first match and people have turned a page.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They are excited for seeing his next like opportunity.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, he hasn't disappointed anybody up to this point.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Good for him.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, you can't like confidently scrutinize the guy at some

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[SPEAKER_01]: And there, there have been people who have taken to this like a fish to water.

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[SPEAKER_01]: June, Akiyama was a near Olympic level wrestler who became a really good professional, immediately.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Kurt Angled it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Wolf, not so much.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He's, he's more of a work in progress, but there have been other guys who have learned to become excellent wrestlers from starting from scratch.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And didn't necessarily do it all in one day.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I got to say, Akiyama and Angle,

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[SPEAKER_01]: kind of did it all in one day like they were almost like their third match they were great wrestlers.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It was bizarre that within a few years two people came up that were that good back quickly.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It was pretty stunning.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It hadn't really happened before like that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Even

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[SPEAKER_01]: Everyone knew that Rocky Maya via was going to be a star no one figured that he was going to be the friggin rock, you're right, but and the one of the biggest movie stars in the world, but everyone figured the guy, but the whole thing was well, he's got to learn and then he'll be great.

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[SPEAKER_00]: the journey of the destination, do I get one point?

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[SPEAKER_00]: This dude is either going to get there or he's not.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And right now, I feel like you can't track to get there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And that could good see.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm enjoying.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to enjoy watching his progress and see when he adds a couple of the moves.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And you're like, oh, he's doing that now.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, you know, I think adding to it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know,

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[SPEAKER_00]: This is, this guy was an N.K.

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[SPEAKER_00]: and he was like building up his magic.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We're, we're watching from the ground up and if he wasn't, who he was and everyone was so interested in seeing this journey every step of the way, he'd be at Sturgeon and he'd be training and he'd be doing another step.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And this is just the pathway for him.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so the spotlight is on him and

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[SPEAKER_01]: We need to just celebrate his victory because the pressure on him has just got to be so much great now for sure and Jeremy say how long before he doesn't look awkward skipping and skipping normal dojo time you know what before he doesn't look awkward oh good Lord come on now.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He looked awkward to sell in that New Year's Dash match.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like the Grim King, he's already looking awkward.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We just have to get past.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, how long before he doesn't though?

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, again, various from person to person, keep in mind, Aaron Wolf started training last summer.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Most guys are in the Dojo a full year before they even pop up around rainside.

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[SPEAKER_01]: let alone and make their debut.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Remember, we saw a bunch of guys around ringside at rest looking them that we've never seen in the right.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And they were, they had their shaved heads and they had their tracksuits on and all that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We'll be seeing some of them soon because we feel like Marashima, Shama Kato are on their way to graduating from being young lions.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And they'll be part of this a big part of this coming weekend.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And usually you have a full year plus before you even sniff

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[SPEAKER_01]: a match.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And Wolf was thrown in there in six months when he had other responsibilities.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He's still a media star on New Year's Eve.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He was on national television on a variety show.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He's got a lot on his plate.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's going to take him a while.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And it's matter of how many like bumps as he going to take before he has the position, the poise, the gate, you know what I mean like, who between each moves, where he'll like, who have those moves like walkways of knowing what to do, what he's transitioning from either chain wrestling and to like, a move to the top rope and just understanding what

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[SPEAKER_00]: and then take experienced wrestlers telling him each of these scenarios as it happened.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And afterwards, you know, I'm like, he's going to have moment-breaking or free to like this one in the play for the fuck do I do?

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[SPEAKER_00]: And it, like,

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[SPEAKER_00]: New Japan will obviously train him for that scenario like if this is the case, this is what you need to do and then we'll reset and get you where you need to go in the match without feeling awkward.

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[SPEAKER_00]: These things are going to happen and we're going to critique it when it happens.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But we also just need to be prepared that the expectation of everything going right at all times with this guy is completely unfair to him.

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[SPEAKER_01]: If he has good singles matchups, and would they mention earlier when talking about guys extending their careers, sometimes being in a tag team can really help, because you can do a 15-minute match and only work 6-7 minutes of it in the Chopardnick area of the rest, and with Wolf, I think tag team matches are going to benefit him quite a bit, because he can learn a few things and do a 10-minute match and work 3-4 minutes of it, and

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[SPEAKER_01]: eats himself through it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Now he's going to have singles.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He's never open way shampies going to have singles matches that they've already shown that the company is willing to put in the time to make sure he looks good and succeeds in those, which is exactly what they ought to be doing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not too worried about that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: His real progress is going to be in those tag matches where he gets the reps and maybe they aren't.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Corey graphing everything for him so that he learns how to make those transitions and we've seen it with both and who was stiff as a board early in his career.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And now he's more animated he's emoting more he moves from it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: and Jordan for Canada, we'd love to see Wolf and Oleg main event of wrestling in one day, hopefully.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I'll bet if that works out for New Japan, that is going to be a very pleased company.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'll tell you what, if they have a G1 match one day.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Got it, you'll be able to take the temperature of that room.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I think so too.

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[SPEAKER_01]: At 2027, G1, how about we do that one?

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[SPEAKER_01]: That'll probably be pretty good.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I'd like to mention, I like when Rina and Hina, when they just randomly put one of those judo throws in their matches.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, the twins had a lot of judo training.

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[SPEAKER_01]: On and probably on and did too, for imagine all three of the sisters had judo training growing up.

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[SPEAKER_01]: A lot of kids in Japan do.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Judo was fairly common, just physical activity, the same way,

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, Taekwondo is here.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, a lot of people take karate classes and Taekwondo classes and thank Judo, big one in Japan.

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[SPEAKER_01]: All right, so yeah, so that's the main event of Blue Justice.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The rest of the card, like I mentioned, that Blue Justice is mostly a preview matches.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm checking to look to see if there's anything of notes on the undercard there, but well, the one is the,

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[SPEAKER_01]: United Empire against the new unbound group.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So Suji, Shingo, Hiromu, Taiji, Shimori, and ghetto facing off against Jacob Austin, young Francesco Akira, Great O'Con, Calumnum and Jake Lee.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And yeah, it's the rest of it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You can probably figure out who's winning and who's losing just by who is in it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But that's going to be just sunset.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They got the show to you, uh, heater for the, uh, it shouldn't take you match.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then setting up the six bands later on.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's all, it's all academic.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And from then, uh, oh, yeah, I'm banking says he I did judo for a good while.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's nice to see the moves I recognize.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, you know, you know, it's interesting banking.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm bringing this up.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Uh,

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[SPEAKER_01]: I thought about this in a long time.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But when I was a kid, there was a family in my neighborhood.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And the father of that family was fairly high up in USA, Judah, like almost, you know, around the Olympic level at various points.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I mean, both the time I knew him, he had a family and had retired from competition.

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[SPEAKER_01]: but was high up in judo and one of his friends was Alan Coash, who was Bad News Brown and Bad News Allen of New Japan foreign talent.

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[SPEAKER_01]: There were a lot of times.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know if you remember that guy, but Bad News, Bad News Brown and WF and

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[SPEAKER_01]: When WWE WF came to my hometown, we got to meet Bad News a little bit because he, they actually went out to eat with my friend's father and Bad News Brown went out to eat after a show and that was the first wrestler I was like.

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[SPEAKER_01]: right next to the song point.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The first pro was right up next to his bad news.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And that was so, but they were alicolage, bad news about Olympic level judo at various points in his career before he got into pro wrestling.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So that was another judo tie in.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I see some of those throws as well.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And it's a kick to see somebody put him into practice like that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't have a whole lot of judo in the lead or any other than just why I never took a lesson or anything, but yeah, it was certainly that that that that was not a man I would mess with neither bad news.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I have enough respect for judoka just to push by luck.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's all I have to know.

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[SPEAKER_01]: No, not interested in pushing any luck.

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[SPEAKER_01]: No, we're buttoned up.

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[SPEAKER_01]: No, no, no.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, nice to meet you.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Have a great day.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'll tell you one quick story though, my friend's father is a very kind man because he didn't have to be an asshole.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We could take care of himself right now.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He doesn't have to be a jerk to anybody.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He could take care of himself.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And

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[SPEAKER_01]: at the show right so bad news brown is doing the the stoic mean heel stuff and he plays to the crowd and he goes yeah raises his fist up and you know them with every all the crowd starts booing and my friends father stands up and just makes this hey thing like starts cheering him and bad news makes eye contact with him and absolutely shatters his character just starts laughing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I asked him, I asked to turn away, walk away, just laughing his ass off, and everyone's looking at my friend's father.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It was just like, who?

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[SPEAKER_01]: What is going on?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, okay.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, apparently, he just wasn't ready for Mr. Hoats to cheer for him in the crowd like that, and he just busted up.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That was one of the few times I saw a wrestler completely break character during a match,

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[SPEAKER_01]: We have a Turquin Hall, Corquin Hall on Monday.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The next show after Chiba, very easy trip, but I don't know, it's about a 40-minute train ride, a little on a car trip, over back to Corquin Hall.

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[SPEAKER_01]: January 19th, that's a Monday, we're back in the main building.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So, young

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[SPEAKER_01]: Young Lion Cup first round is in the cards here.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Messatory, Yasada will face Tetsuya Matsumoto, Dakin' a guy against Zane J.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Now, of course, our senior young lions, we mentioned Merlear, Marashima, and Kato, they get a buy, so they will be wrestling the winners of these matches on the Tuesday show.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So we will kick off with Yasada versus Matsumoto, then the guy versus J.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Any thoughts on this one, Jeremy?

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm leaning towards Yalta and the guy, but you could do whatever you wanted at that point, because I don't think either one of them are going to move forward past the by guys, you know what I mean?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, yeah, this is, it's very possible they're going to do this entire tournament by some

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, you know, like to me, he's the queer favorite and like the guy on top that, you know, if you're going to, if you're going to do something with that kind of image of this is probably the direction that you would go with is, oh, yeah, this guy got a boss and grabbed the token, oh, baby, he should want the young line cup.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, it's interesting here, though, the guy has the most personality of any of them.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Miroshima is close though and and I think Miroshima might be the best current worker, but Shomekato who's good at all this stuff.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He's a good worker.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He doesn't have the personality in the guy, but he's not a wooden board either.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He doesn't have the personality of Miroshima.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's different.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's a different type of thing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But he has personality.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know, Basher.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That was the one.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Shome is the one that's been talking about this cup.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So watch out for him as a dark horse.

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[SPEAKER_00]: After

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[SPEAKER_00]: Marashima.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, do we lose?

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[SPEAKER_00]: After after a bloody up the sheet, uh, and New Year's Dash, I'm like, okay, you're ready.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Let's go.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We also had that kind of moment where I just looked at him up like, okay, by that, that was your graduation moment.

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[SPEAKER_00]: If it's not made to me,

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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, I think both Kato and Marashma are going to be a way from the Young Lion World after this.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think this will probably be their last Young Lion Gasps, or amongst them anyway, but I don't think the Young Lions for much longer after that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Time to make the rain for new ones.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We mentioned it too.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know what more they could really learn as Young Lions.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's time to...

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[SPEAKER_01]: see what they've got and with a gimmick and with either a faction or an excursion or something like that, I feel like they've accomplished all they can do as as young Liza obviously, I'm not the one doing the evaluations.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It just seems to me that it's time for the next stage for them, whereas the other four still have a little bit further to go.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, I'm kind of with you.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It just feels like these are the guys, the guys with the

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[SPEAKER_00]: guys, but you're setting it up for a reason.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There's not a guy, but if they're worried guys, yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: All right.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then, uh, preview tags after that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And the third match will have Aaron Wolf in it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He's teaming with Desparado, Yano, Yo, and Watto this time.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So the former trio's champs with Despe and Wolf against House torture as you would imagine.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We'll get another united empire

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[SPEAKER_01]: preview.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then we're going to get two singles matches that pairs off the two teams involved in the Junior Heavyweight title match on Tuesday.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So on Monday, it'll be co-save Fujita versus show and Robbie Eagles versus Yoshinobu Kanemaru.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And after that, seventh match on Monday is the never openweight six-man tag team championship match.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The champions, Hartley Jackson, Rio Heo

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[SPEAKER_01]: and I think this is going to be really good.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think this could be a terrific match because look at the six guys involved.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, they can be a banger, but also the first title defense for the never the current never since man guy.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I'm expecting a retention.

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[SPEAKER_00]: If if I'm going to be honest here, I'll get you.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Let's keep these guys looking strong.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean the tag titles.

01:00:00.515 --> 01:00:16.498
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm intrigued by that as well, simply because if this were a trio's match on any other card that didn't involve the tag team titles, you would say heartly Jackson's going to be taken up in here because he's the lowest guy on this total pole of the six.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And but I do think it's different that they just won the never open way six man tag title so it adds and adds a little bit of doubt in my head.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think you need to.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, I don't I'm going to I'm going to take that back.

01:00:31.165 --> 01:00:37.173
[SPEAKER_00]: I have changed my mind set about who they are prioritizing after restful king.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So in my mind, I see Rio, hey, oil.

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[SPEAKER_00]: getting the win, I can't summon like Yoshi Hashi in this match.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I think that's what we're going with this is where, like it may not be every one of the young guys on every night, but the emphasis is going to be the next generation in a lot of the matches.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe it avoids the big karma move and hits the grip or something like that.

01:01:04.333 --> 01:01:09.520
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I think the grip on Yoshi Hashi just seemed like one of those things.

01:01:10.681 --> 01:01:18.329
[SPEAKER_00]: the time it now and they seem very aggressive at New Year Dash about making sure that the young talent looked strong.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I would love to see that because I think we was ready for it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And the main event on Monday will be a one hour time limit.

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[SPEAKER_01]: IWGP tag team championship number one contender match.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So one hour time limit for this one.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't anticipate it going anywhere near that long.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's just an interesting point.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The main event so when our time.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I love if they made me care about a tag team contender match.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, they have.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You hit Uemura and showed it Umano against Taiji and Tomahiro Ishii.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, we'll see if it's a generational battle of course with the winner getting a shot at the knockout brothers in Osaka.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Who do you got?

01:01:57.978 --> 01:01:59.740
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, you know.

01:01:59.855 --> 01:02:05.702
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to be rooting for Tai Chi and ECE for sentimental reasons.

01:02:06.623 --> 01:02:13.091
[SPEAKER_01]: It's interesting because the knockout brothers are faced both of these teams, not terribly far back in the past.

01:02:13.231 --> 01:02:16.114
[SPEAKER_01]: So it's, they won the titles for me.

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[SPEAKER_01]: She E and Tai Chi in the first place, which is why I'm kind of, you know, there.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But it feels more like another way more uminow

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm leaning Tai Chi in a shee.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I have a love.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think them putting them over one more time if kind of like this next generation is the thing.

01:02:40.962 --> 01:02:47.128
[SPEAKER_00]: And also if you keep Shota and Yuya away from them, like eventually they're going to win.

01:02:47.148 --> 01:02:50.531
[SPEAKER_00]: Like they have not been able to get that win over the knockout brother.

01:02:50.932 --> 01:02:55.917
[SPEAKER_00]: And the way that you spend a booking does not make me feel like they're going to be carrying these titles.

01:02:55.897 --> 01:02:57.338
[SPEAKER_00]: for the entire year.

01:02:57.879 --> 01:03:07.267
[SPEAKER_00]: So if the few that's eventually that showed it and you need to face off against the knockout brothers, you kind of, you make you want it a little bit more.

01:03:07.828 --> 01:03:24.182
[SPEAKER_00]: So I think right now, it's teaching a sheety, going, losing to the knockout brothers and you just kind of you've kind of stoked that fire just a little bit more to get showed it and you in that vicinity.

01:03:24.989 --> 01:03:28.615
[SPEAKER_01]: And Jordan from Canada mentioned it's not got brothers really won me over at the last show.

01:03:28.716 --> 01:03:29.918
[SPEAKER_01]: Great promo sure was.

01:03:29.998 --> 01:03:31.380
[SPEAKER_01]: That was one of the best postmasks.

01:03:31.400 --> 01:03:33.905
[SPEAKER_00]: Just now they've won me over and day one my friend.

01:03:33.925 --> 01:03:34.526
[SPEAKER_00]: They're beautiful.

01:03:34.887 --> 01:03:35.969
[SPEAKER_00]: They're beautiful heels.

01:03:36.650 --> 01:03:38.253
[SPEAKER_01]: That was one of the best postmasks promo.

01:03:38.313 --> 01:03:44.344
[SPEAKER_01]: So they didn't involve a legendary retirement of the the last 365 days.

01:03:44.404 --> 01:03:46.127
[SPEAKER_01]: I can't say of the year, only 15 days in.

01:03:46.307 --> 01:03:47.529
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, I think correct.

01:03:47.609 --> 01:03:49.613
[SPEAKER_00]: I can get you a long way, my friend.

01:03:49.711 --> 01:03:53.935
[SPEAKER_01]: And that is the show for a Monday at cortical in the hall.

01:03:53.996 --> 01:03:58.560
[SPEAKER_01]: So then we will go right into Tuesday and staying in the building.

01:03:59.802 --> 01:04:01.904
[SPEAKER_01]: And it will be the Young Lion Cup semifinal.

01:04:01.944 --> 01:04:02.725
[SPEAKER_01]: Show Makata.

01:04:02.745 --> 01:04:07.009
[SPEAKER_01]: We'll get the winner of Yasada and Matsumoto, Marashima.

01:04:07.230 --> 01:04:10.673
[SPEAKER_01]: We'll face the winner of Nagai and Zane J.

01:04:10.793 --> 01:04:13.777
[SPEAKER_01]: That will be the first two matches of that show.

01:04:14.337 --> 01:04:15.178
[SPEAKER_01]: From there.

01:04:15.158 --> 01:04:21.113
[SPEAKER_01]: Uh, we will get some other preview matches that are currently not announced right now there are only four matches announced for Tuesday.

01:04:21.514 --> 01:04:27.188
[SPEAKER_01]: I'd imagine the results from Monday will affect things on Tuesday, blah, blah, blah, blah, you know, I bet here and willful be in a match.

01:04:27.208 --> 01:04:31.459
[SPEAKER_00]: I bet that's a Virginia will be in a match, but I don't think they'll be in a match with each other.

01:04:31.960 --> 01:04:32.762
[SPEAKER_01]: Correct.

01:04:32.945 --> 01:04:36.150
[SPEAKER_01]: I WGP Junior Heavyweight Tag Team Titles will be on the line.

01:04:36.190 --> 01:04:37.912
[SPEAKER_01]: Junior Heavyweight 9 Tuesday, otherwise.

01:04:37.992 --> 01:04:39.915
[SPEAKER_01]: So Junior Heavyweight title match.

01:04:39.935 --> 01:04:42.138
[SPEAKER_01]: We already mentioned there'll be in singles matches the night before.

01:04:42.519 --> 01:04:49.709
[SPEAKER_01]: Fujita and Eagles facing Kanamaro and show that really feels like a retention to me, doesn't it?

01:04:50.290 --> 01:04:52.573
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, yes, yes, yes and yes.

01:04:53.161 --> 01:04:59.611
[SPEAKER_01]: The interesting one, 60 minutes, IWGP Junior Heavyweight title, Eldest Parado against Dokey.

01:05:00.412 --> 01:05:05.080
[SPEAKER_01]: And if I'm going on that principle, the TMDK is retaining the titles.

01:05:05.160 --> 01:05:10.789
[SPEAKER_01]: I feel like this is where House of Torture might get one where Dokey retains against Despe, but we'll see.

01:05:10.849 --> 01:05:12.351
[SPEAKER_01]: It's...

01:05:12.331 --> 01:05:32.027
[SPEAKER_01]: the the bookings been flaky with that belt a little bit post-desparado and like so they they've had dokey win it and not really do much to defend it and not even show up on you know they're not even wrestle for it on at rest of kingdom and all this kind of stuff but desperate out of versus dokey finally in the ring there against each other for the junior heavyweight title.

01:05:33.560 --> 01:05:46.316
[SPEAKER_00]: So what, this is running it back from last year of rental kingdom and their match in July that they had where Dokey beat Desperado for the title, the rubber match.

01:05:46.997 --> 01:05:49.020
[SPEAKER_01]: I suppose so if you want to count it like that.

01:05:49.380 --> 01:06:02.757
[SPEAKER_00]: Hey, yeah, I was at that rental kingdom match and I was live when Desperado won it, won the contender and that crowd went mild.

01:06:03.192 --> 01:06:10.103
[SPEAKER_00]: it was not like the pop that you'd think, you know, people love the food and entrance, they really wanted him to win, they didn't want him to lose.

01:06:11.645 --> 01:06:22.543
[SPEAKER_00]: And so I think about Desperado Doki and right now, it's not really the hottest food that except Ben, it's not even really the hottest food that's going on the company, it's just, it's just there.

01:06:22.563 --> 01:06:28.272
[SPEAKER_00]: And so for me, I don't think you changed the title for a few

01:06:28.792 --> 01:06:41.846
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's a shame, because this really should have been one of the hottest things in New Japan, but this House of Torture, Doki thing, just absolutely tossed up, just tossed a bucket of water on the fire, just put it up, just now.

01:06:41.866 --> 01:06:55.440
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it had to be an afterthought, and I get what they're doing, and I'm glad that they're just kind of, they're going to do this match, and they're going to move on because they're being a lot of young talent in that junior heavyweight division, and we're going to go into a period of

01:06:55.927 --> 01:07:19.926
[SPEAKER_00]: More or less dormancy wants to need Japan cup happens and then we're going to be like before we know it the best of the super junior can be happening in May and June like We know that there are periods from here to now where the junior heavyweight title just is not a priority and march is one of them and then all of a sudden title contenders kind of go out the window come April

01:07:19.906 --> 01:07:29.376
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, this guy is either going to be holding the title or we're going to be having this amazing like title match now, but I'm kind of of the opinion that of death for auto doesn't win in here.

01:07:29.436 --> 01:07:34.621
[SPEAKER_00]: This dude is probably holding it for the rest of the until the summer time.

01:07:35.662 --> 01:07:36.303
[SPEAKER_01]: Very well, baby.

01:07:36.323 --> 01:07:38.265
[SPEAKER_01]: All right, but we'll see how that one turns out.

01:07:38.285 --> 01:07:39.406
[SPEAKER_01]: It would be a good match.

01:07:39.426 --> 01:07:41.068
[SPEAKER_01]: These guys are both really good wrestlers.

01:07:41.088 --> 01:07:43.270
[SPEAKER_01]: It's just the story has let them down.

01:07:44.312 --> 01:07:47.635
[SPEAKER_00]: How about that.

01:07:48.425 --> 01:07:51.028
[SPEAKER_00]: wave your hand, everything else going on.

01:07:52.049 --> 01:08:06.087
[SPEAKER_01]: And it's too bad because Desperado, it was Desperado and Heroic, you go to carry this company to a pretty decent first half of 2025 before things took a nose dive with terrible booking and bad decisions and everything else that happened.

01:08:06.848 --> 01:08:12.154
[SPEAKER_00]: But they were huge hero to the promotion, but you can already tell that

01:08:12.961 --> 01:08:26.447
[SPEAKER_00]: of the guys that they're building towards in the future, Yoda Fuji, you know, the knockout brother, you showed a, like, desperate or different feel like one of those guys that are building around, he feels like one of the people would have got.

01:08:26.613 --> 01:08:34.580
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, Brad makes a good point that I was about to bring up that out the two Desparado has the show that's coming up.

01:08:34.661 --> 01:08:36.682
[SPEAKER_01]: Desparado has the same thing about him.

01:08:36.702 --> 01:08:36.843
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

01:08:37.984 --> 01:08:38.344
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.

01:08:38.364 --> 01:08:43.028
[SPEAKER_01]: As said, I have a feeling Despei wins it, so we can go to the death and rotational in Las Vegas.

01:08:43.149 --> 01:08:44.510
[SPEAKER_00]: And he goes into the champion.

01:08:44.770 --> 01:08:46.812
[SPEAKER_00]: He can't like full rail.

01:08:46.852 --> 01:08:49.995
[SPEAKER_00]: He can't lose the random match here on a show like that.

01:08:50.135 --> 01:08:53.278
[SPEAKER_00]: He may end up in the card kind of thing.

01:08:53.258 --> 01:09:02.855
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, when he does the show being the champion doesn't matter, you know, it's like he's he's going because he's death barato.

01:09:02.896 --> 01:09:07.704
[SPEAKER_00]: He's not going because he's IWGP jigger heavyweight champion death problem.

01:09:07.724 --> 01:09:10.249
[SPEAKER_00]: I kind of felt when that show was booked.

01:09:10.590 --> 01:09:16.380
[SPEAKER_00]: It was more like going to be that he wasn't going to be champion going to have been show where.

01:09:17.086 --> 01:09:42.756
[SPEAKER_00]: where he's been the champion and you know, like San Jose, they're going to want he's going to have to be in the main event, you know, he's going to have to be protected when he has that title, the way that they're shifting their minds and all these titles, it's not just going to be like, oh, he's the champion, he's this title holder over here, you know, like Yoda Suji said to you standard, and I have a feeling the rest of these titles are going to be treated as much as they can the

01:09:42.837 --> 01:10:10.600
[SPEAKER_00]: The, remember, the original death pain invitation, the desperate, it was all centered around him defending the junior heavyweight title around June, because I, that was the thing and that was in cork in hall, I give June, because I, I don't think we're going to have that level of, you know, like, it's not even going to be a cork in hall, you know, it's just one of the things that there are factors that to me, but as long as you get death barato, the ticket per selling just fine without him being a champion.

01:10:10.951 --> 01:10:16.218
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, there's no need to make him a champion going into the, the, the decorado and rotational and Vegas.

01:10:16.699 --> 01:10:22.226
[SPEAKER_00]: It's not going to tip any needles whatsoever to put a belt on him going forward.

01:10:22.246 --> 01:10:22.847
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't, we'll see.

01:10:22.967 --> 01:10:23.708
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't, yeah.

01:10:23.728 --> 01:10:25.851
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not, I'm not sure I totally agree on the other with that.

01:10:25.891 --> 01:10:27.293
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think, I don't think it matters.

01:10:28.094 --> 01:10:29.736
[SPEAKER_00]: Unfortunately, like, yeah.

01:10:30.188 --> 01:10:32.670
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, we were asking for your book rec, okay.

01:10:32.691 --> 01:10:44.182
[SPEAKER_01]: So they're the best book written by a wrestler probably Shinsuke Nakamura's king of strong style book is published as an interview basically.

01:10:44.222 --> 01:10:48.146
[SPEAKER_01]: So you read the question that's being posed to him and then you read his answer.

01:10:48.226 --> 01:10:55.133
[SPEAKER_01]: So it's not a traditional autobiography and that sounds but there's interesting stuff about that and the his feelings on

01:10:55.113 --> 01:11:03.328
[SPEAKER_01]: New Japan and how New Japan developed over time, but not just him, his character, but also what it was like to be in the company.

01:11:03.529 --> 01:11:09.420
[SPEAKER_01]: And even before so, because he and Harold, he goto wrestled each other in high school and things like that.

01:11:09.440 --> 01:11:13.948
[SPEAKER_01]: So you hear a little bit of that and then you hear about the training, you hear about

01:11:13.928 --> 01:11:25.770
[SPEAKER_01]: the end days of anokiyism, because Nakamura was there for some of that, and then goes into the Tanahashi Nakamura Shabata boom period, and that's a good one.

01:11:25.810 --> 01:11:27.273
[SPEAKER_01]: That's a good one as a narrative.

01:11:28.535 --> 01:11:30.259
[SPEAKER_01]: Chris Charlton has two books out.

01:11:30.980 --> 01:11:33.625
[SPEAKER_01]: One is called Egg Shelds about New Japan.

01:11:33.605 --> 01:11:40.562
[SPEAKER_01]: Egg shells just is a review of every show, New Japan and not, although New Japan has the vast majority of them.

01:11:40.582 --> 01:11:41.885
[SPEAKER_01]: That's taking place in the Tokyo Dome.

01:11:42.447 --> 01:11:48.762
[SPEAKER_01]: Back in the back when the Tokyo Dome was first built, it was nicknamed the Egg Dome because it just looked like a giant egg in the middle of the

01:11:49.028 --> 01:11:58.677
[SPEAKER_01]: So that was one that that I liked quite a bit, but that one's just a step-by-step walk-through each Tokyo dome shows.

01:11:58.697 --> 01:12:11.068
[SPEAKER_01]: You're going to get news about the or a section in there about some of the K-1 stuff, some of the algebra pan, algebra pan women, and all that stuff to in addition to all the rest of Kingdom's things.

01:12:11.088 --> 01:12:13.710
[SPEAKER_01]: That goes up until just a handful of years ago.

01:12:14.190 --> 01:12:17.213
[SPEAKER_01]: He also had one Alliance Pride.

01:12:17.193 --> 01:12:23.623
[SPEAKER_01]: which is a book just about a little more of the history of New Japan lists the most influential figures and what they meant to it.

01:12:24.104 --> 01:12:25.466
[SPEAKER_01]: Some of the most popular wrestlers.

01:12:25.486 --> 01:12:27.870
[SPEAKER_01]: So Chris Charleston's two books about New Japan.

01:12:28.391 --> 01:12:30.214
[SPEAKER_01]: Both he did a good job with each of them.

01:12:30.294 --> 01:12:35.843
[SPEAKER_01]: Both very thorough Lee research and then I would say the

01:12:35.823 --> 01:12:39.449
[SPEAKER_01]: Shinsuke Nakamura one is good that's just specifically about a new Japan wrestle.

01:12:39.469 --> 01:12:47.564
[SPEAKER_01]: I'll give you one more, uh, uh, somebody that's a key figure in New Japan history, though, dynamite kid quite a while ago now.

01:12:47.664 --> 01:12:49.126
[SPEAKER_01]: It's probably been well over 20 years.

01:12:49.547 --> 01:12:51.230
[SPEAKER_01]: Road a book called Pure Dynamite.

01:12:52.492 --> 01:12:57.000
[SPEAKER_01]: Of course, dynamite kid Tiger Master original rival, his books fascinating.

01:12:57.180 --> 01:13:00.987
[SPEAKER_01]: He's very honest.

01:13:01.237 --> 01:13:02.540
[SPEAKER_01]: Brad Hart's ex-wife.

01:13:02.560 --> 01:13:03.422
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to go back away.

01:13:03.662 --> 01:13:10.538
[SPEAKER_01]: Just said that as great as he was in the ring, he was just as miserable a person and that comes across in the book.

01:13:10.939 --> 01:13:20.781
[SPEAKER_01]: He doesn't really pull punches even on himself, but it's a fascinating look at a fascinating wrestler and a complicated man.

01:13:20.761 --> 01:13:24.070
[SPEAKER_01]: who is one of the key players in the history of New Japan pro wrestling.

01:13:24.090 --> 01:13:31.609
[SPEAKER_01]: So pure dynamite by dynamite kid, Tommy Billingson, well worth the read if you're interested now, pro wrestling work.

01:13:32.010 --> 01:13:33.775
[SPEAKER_01]: It's interesting in one set.

01:13:34.092 --> 01:13:41.105
[SPEAKER_01]: two because Dynamite talks about being in the WWE F and how it's a work and doing all these things.

01:13:42.026 --> 01:13:56.573
[SPEAKER_01]: He has so much respect for Japanese pro wrestling that he sort of words everything in a way that it still might be a shoot, but he's kind of winking that shit a little bit like he won't just come out and say that he was working with Tiger Mask.

01:13:56.553 --> 01:14:07.168
[SPEAKER_01]: Although it clearly was, you know, that no doubt about that, but that's just the respect you had for Japanese wrestling, not being as open about it being a work when he wrote the book, as we see now.

01:14:07.349 --> 01:14:14.719
[SPEAKER_01]: So the just warning on that, he's not trying to make you think that wrestling is real, because he talks openly about WWE, not being real.

01:14:15.080 --> 01:14:19.226
[SPEAKER_01]: But New Japan, they weren't as open about it when he wrote the book.

01:14:19.647 --> 01:14:24.754
[SPEAKER_01]: So he's more, he's respectful of that and kind of dances around that language than just saying, well, you know.

01:14:24.734 --> 01:14:26.316
[SPEAKER_01]: we worked a match that type of thing.

01:14:26.376 --> 01:14:53.104
[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, and Jordan from Canada says I love Chris Charlton's passion for Japanese wrestling so do I, and he does a really, he does a good job very well research books, and it's not just a rundown, the egg shells, not just a rundown of the matches he talks about the context of them, what led them to the Tokyo dome, where the business was at the time why it was an

01:14:53.759 --> 01:14:57.576
[SPEAKER_01]: had gone on in relation to the other companies in Japan at the time.

01:14:57.616 --> 01:15:02.638
[SPEAKER_01]: So it's a very thorough understanding of the industry.

01:15:04.913 --> 01:15:06.155
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I don't have much to add.

01:15:06.215 --> 01:15:11.203
[SPEAKER_00]: I have not been able to read a whole lot in the last couple years of just with life.

01:15:11.484 --> 01:15:14.729
[SPEAKER_00]: And Jeremy actually asked me about these books.

01:15:14.769 --> 01:15:17.834
[SPEAKER_00]: And I just kind of said, just asked even on the show.

01:15:18.295 --> 01:15:19.737
[SPEAKER_00]: OK.

01:15:19.858 --> 01:15:22.342
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm constantly reading different things.

01:15:22.462 --> 01:15:30.415
[SPEAKER_00]: But for whatever reason, the ability for me to sit down and read a full book, like, from end to end to what it looked impossible than to my life.

01:15:31.610 --> 01:15:49.689
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm currently going through Scott Teele's book on Madison Square Garden where he's systemically goes over wrestling shows in MSG from the very beginning going back to the 1870s pro wrestling matches going all the way through to WWE in the era and things like that.

01:15:49.889 --> 01:15:53.993
[SPEAKER_01]: And that one's been a pretty interesting one so far, but I'm still in the 1800s.

01:15:54.454 --> 01:15:55.795
[SPEAKER_01]: I just got started with it.

01:15:56.045 --> 01:16:16.500
[SPEAKER_00]: I have about a dozen books of my Kindle that are about 30% into it and it's like I'm going to get through some of these, but it's like you're downloading a bunch of stuff at the same time and it's all just kind of long jamming and you're not going to call you're not not of them are going to tell me.

01:16:16.801 --> 01:16:32.282
[SPEAKER_01]: I have a pretty huge wrestling book collection and I've I've read a lot of them, but I haven't read all of them and I'm working my way You're the historian, and I'm just the guy that Bolshitz Jordan can't have one more comment from him right there.

01:16:32.342 --> 01:16:42.116
[SPEAKER_01]: He says as an AEW fan I see them as an underdog against WWE Yeah, certainly But NJPW suffered so much in the growth of AEW Love New Japan's belts divisions and spirit.

01:16:42.376 --> 01:16:44.679
[SPEAKER_01]: Hopefully they can hit their stride again soon.

01:16:44.800 --> 01:16:46.622
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, yeah, and

01:16:46.822 --> 01:16:47.804
[SPEAKER_01]: Of course, we agree.

01:16:47.905 --> 01:16:59.191
[SPEAKER_01]: Certainly we're rooting for New Japan to do well this year and I Jeremy I'm holding on to what we said in the wake of Russell kingdom this year, which is okay.

01:16:59.211 --> 01:17:01.557
[SPEAKER_01]: It's not something that can happen overnight.

01:17:02.009 --> 01:17:06.075
[SPEAKER_01]: it rustle kingdom did not fix all their problems by any means at all.

01:17:07.197 --> 01:17:12.624
[SPEAKER_01]: There have been signs that some of the decision making is a little bit better than it was in 2025.

01:17:13.145 --> 01:17:15.248
[SPEAKER_01]: And I was sweating a few things.

01:17:15.288 --> 01:17:19.414
[SPEAKER_01]: We'll see because new beginnings are going to tell us a lot and we're not out of the list.

01:17:19.915 --> 01:17:26.204
[SPEAKER_01]: But there were a couple of encouraging signs that maybe they learned some lessons from some of the numbscult decisions of 2025.

01:17:26.745 --> 01:17:31.712
[SPEAKER_01]: And my eyes repealed hoping that that trend continues.

01:17:32.958 --> 01:17:59.083
[SPEAKER_00]: New Japan, there's a big dog, AEW's a bigger dog, WWE's the biggest dog in the yard, and they all have their different territories that they do, and the overlap between WWE and AEW, kind of overtakes everything else, you know, like their battles, just kind of spill into other territories, and pretty sobering to know that New Japan is,

01:17:59.317 --> 01:18:09.646
[SPEAKER_00]: at the mercy of what these two other companies decided to do with some of the talent that they value, you know, not being available in order to maximize the stories that they want to tell.

01:18:10.829 --> 01:18:12.313
[SPEAKER_00]: I think that there is

01:18:14.842 --> 01:18:23.773
[SPEAKER_00]: a middle ground for everyone to survive and thrive, but there are mentalities in this business that do not allow that to permeate.

01:18:24.994 --> 01:18:36.748
[SPEAKER_00]: I think New Japan in 2026 has a pathway to doing real success and having real momentum, but frankly, requires

01:18:36.728 --> 01:18:44.244
[SPEAKER_00]: having a roster that is available to them for the majority of the year.

01:18:44.264 --> 01:18:55.868
[SPEAKER_00]: And so you have to prioritize that, you cannot be constantly booking guys like Andrade and Takeshita if they are not available to you.

01:18:56.489 --> 01:19:19.189
[SPEAKER_00]: at all the crucial junctures that you were going to need to maximize them being in the G1, you know, and I'm not saying that they are, but I would assume and draw a and to catch it up are both two names that you strongly have to consider being in the pool for the G1 that's seen, you know, if we're doing Chicago and they're part of the plan to January, like if they're not part of the plan.

01:19:19.169 --> 01:19:22.915
[SPEAKER_00]: in July, if something has gone very, very wrong, according to the plan.

01:19:23.015 --> 01:19:27.843
[SPEAKER_00]: They shouldn't be what you're building around, but they should be what you're using to build up.

01:19:28.825 --> 01:19:41.987
[SPEAKER_00]: And you have to prioritize the guys that are going to be there for the entire year because the fans need to get behind people that they know that when the next time they buy their ticket, that person's going to be there again.

01:19:42.895 --> 01:19:43.476
[SPEAKER_01]: Absolutely.

01:19:44.036 --> 01:19:48.061
[SPEAKER_01]: And Warhero says the folly needs to make Ren and Rita the new leader of House of Torture.

01:19:48.982 --> 01:19:52.046
[SPEAKER_01]: I, I, I agree.

01:19:52.066 --> 01:19:55.029
[SPEAKER_01]: I think there's a baby face run and evil that's coming someday.

01:19:55.249 --> 01:19:56.571
[SPEAKER_01]: I just, I just think there is.

01:19:56.611 --> 01:20:02.758
[SPEAKER_01]: But this could be my version of Jeremy feeling like Bolton was going to join Bullock Club any day for a couple of years.

01:20:02.818 --> 01:20:05.201
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, it could be like, I'm trying to manifest this.

01:20:05.581 --> 01:20:10.607
[SPEAKER_01]: I didn't, I didn't make the show to Umano and we're going to talk to you again with the woke-up being dead.

01:20:10.992 --> 01:20:12.634
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, well, that's never going to happen.

01:20:12.674 --> 01:20:15.077
[SPEAKER_01]: I guess, but you know, but it's an interesting point.

01:20:15.117 --> 01:20:17.680
[SPEAKER_01]: I think at some point, he should be.

01:20:18.581 --> 01:20:35.802
[SPEAKER_01]: I think at some point he probably will be if any if that G one final taught us anything that there's a there's a baby face run and evil somewhere in there.

01:20:36.389 --> 01:20:41.097
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, make it really easy to watch, but there's not a whole lot of time pass before we get to talk about it.

01:20:41.117 --> 01:20:46.666
[SPEAKER_01]: Sometimes Sunday to Thursday is a little awkward, but, uh, and he's a vank and says to cash to has a deal, right?

01:20:46.706 --> 01:21:01.191
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, he's still under contract with both companies and by the way, sneaky thing you mentioned as far as who the biggest dog in the yard is second biggest dog in the yard is Mexico City, CMLL, bigger than bigger than bigger than than bigger than bigger than bigger than bigger than bigger than bigger than bigger than bigger than bigger than bigger.

01:21:01.211 --> 01:21:01.992
[SPEAKER_00]: Take a take a take a take a

01:21:02.512 --> 01:21:07.318
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and they're starting to do dual contracts as I just saw was a precephony and mascara de rada.

01:21:07.598 --> 01:21:14.085
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to be working for I mean, They're picking the right.

01:21:14.106 --> 01:21:15.868
[SPEAKER_00]: They're there, but you know, you got the graphic.

01:21:16.628 --> 01:21:17.529
[SPEAKER_00]: You get the graphic.

01:21:17.670 --> 01:21:18.350
[SPEAKER_00]: It's official.

01:21:18.991 --> 01:21:21.014
[SPEAKER_01]: It's hard to argue with the guys he's picking, man.

01:21:21.054 --> 01:21:21.915
[SPEAKER_01]: Those are some of those.

01:21:21.995 --> 01:21:23.997
[SPEAKER_00]: It's a grand official, like you're a couple now.

01:21:24.398 --> 01:21:30.086
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, you know, the thing is with CMLL, it's less complicated than Japan for a lot of reasons.

01:21:30.146 --> 01:21:33.471
[SPEAKER_01]: The biggest night of the week for CMLL is an off-knife for AEW.

01:21:33.972 --> 01:21:37.958
[SPEAKER_01]: So you can make dynamite and CMLL not miss a thing.

01:21:38.338 --> 01:21:39.280
[SPEAKER_01]: Not true with New Japan.

01:21:39.300 --> 01:21:40.261
[SPEAKER_01]: We saw this all last year.

01:21:40.281 --> 01:21:42.544
[SPEAKER_01]: Where to catch them, it's just gone for long stretches.

01:21:42.965 --> 01:21:43.906
[SPEAKER_01]: Doesn't work the same way.

01:21:43.966 --> 01:21:47.892
[SPEAKER_01]: In North America, you are...

01:21:47.872 --> 01:21:57.963
[SPEAKER_01]: on different nights and flights that don't involve 12 hour times, time spent in a plane and jet lag and all that stuff.

01:21:57.983 --> 01:22:00.966
[SPEAKER_01]: It's a much different animal being under contractable.

01:22:01.327 --> 01:22:03.309
[SPEAKER_01]: I think this could really work out well for both companies.

01:22:03.929 --> 01:22:16.343
[SPEAKER_01]: And the fans do seem to be enjoying some of the AEW stars coming in and the fans and AEW, I mean, I'm scared to write a

01:22:16.323 --> 01:22:21.190
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, you say that you hope that it works great for both of these companies, Steven.

01:22:21.951 --> 01:22:25.997
[SPEAKER_00]: I hope it works fantastic out for these companies.

01:22:26.017 --> 01:22:32.566
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, we will see a lot of those news Japan, or CML guys, in news Japan, in Africa, India, it's coming, I'm so excited.

01:22:33.087 --> 01:22:39.616
[SPEAKER_00]: It's one of my favorite weeks in New Japan and with the CML guys, I told show up and they just have a blast.

01:22:40.998 --> 01:22:44.203
[SPEAKER_01]: Jeremy says they have to keep WWE out of Japan.

01:22:44.707 --> 01:22:46.971
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know, here's the, yeah.

01:22:47.677 --> 01:22:52.442
[SPEAKER_01]: It's funny how that's died down post TKO a little bit.

01:22:53.163 --> 01:22:57.548
[SPEAKER_01]: And it's only because I don't think TKO's gonna own WBE for a whole lot longer anyway.

01:22:57.568 --> 01:22:58.569
[SPEAKER_01]: So I think they're fat.

01:22:58.589 --> 01:23:05.117
[SPEAKER_01]: I still think they're fatening the goose to sell it to the Saudis and all that's, then I don't know how much the Saudis are interested in Japanese wrestling.

01:23:05.137 --> 01:23:10.183
[SPEAKER_01]: So maybe that maybe there'll be the one thing that works in New Japan's favor from that whole deal.

01:23:10.243 --> 01:23:14.448
[SPEAKER_00]: But I'm watching less WWE that I ever have in my life.

01:23:14.688 --> 01:23:15.709
[SPEAKER_01]: So whatever.

01:23:15.689 --> 01:23:17.052
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, we pretty much the same here.

01:23:17.173 --> 01:23:21.503
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and Jeremy also says that he has the girl among soon book, but hasn't started yet.

01:23:21.523 --> 01:23:23.868
[SPEAKER_01]: That's a real good one written by Brian Solomon, by the way.

01:23:24.189 --> 01:23:25.793
[SPEAKER_01]: It's called the Irresistible Force.

01:23:25.813 --> 01:23:27.978
[SPEAKER_00]: It's on my audible, don't know what to do yet.

01:23:28.680 --> 01:23:30.464
[SPEAKER_01]: It's uh, that's a fascinating man.

01:23:30.825 --> 01:23:32.128
[SPEAKER_01]: And uh,

01:23:32.108 --> 01:23:49.138
[SPEAKER_01]: For a while, the guy that was going to take over the WWF before Vincent Vince the current Vince McMahon got hold of it and also a big factor in Japanese pro wrestling from before New Japan and all Japan were things when it was still the JWA with.

01:23:49.118 --> 01:24:01.211
[SPEAKER_01]: a little bit, yeah, just around and after Ricky Dosan's murder was the thing there, but Gorilla Monson, a key figure in Japanese wrestling and fascinating guy.

01:24:01.632 --> 01:24:07.398
[SPEAKER_01]: Really good book by Brian Solomon, again, another guy that really knows his stuff and does a lot of the good research.

01:24:07.458 --> 01:24:08.699
[SPEAKER_01]: So that's terrific.

01:24:08.739 --> 01:24:10.021
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm glad you have it.

01:24:10.041 --> 01:24:11.362
[SPEAKER_01]: I hope you enjoyed as much as I did.

01:24:13.204 --> 01:24:13.945
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, hopefully got.

01:24:14.887 --> 01:24:18.575
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, new beginning in the United States, we do have some more names.

01:24:18.795 --> 01:24:21.060
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, no, okay, one more for Jordan Kennedy.

01:24:21.121 --> 01:24:27.234
[SPEAKER_01]: So if you don't mind me asking, what was your favorite five-year period in New Japan history, five-year period?

01:24:27.414 --> 01:24:31.984
[SPEAKER_01]: You know what, five years, if you're going to take five years, might well be

01:24:34.647 --> 01:24:51.930
[SPEAKER_01]: 20 was a what would that make that 20 15 through 20 20 20 and the the other one I will say is about 19 92 to 97 92 to 97 that run was show that we did what to talk about that for a second.

01:24:52.231 --> 01:25:09.413
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, the top of the nation thing, but those two areas, so we're talking in the 90s, that's the boom period with Kaji Muto and Shini Hashimoto, Masahiro Chono, and when Juicin Thunder Liger and Eddie Guerrero is the Black Tiger and El Samurai we're having

01:25:09.393 --> 01:25:30.321
[SPEAKER_01]: uh... great sausica having blow away matches well like her in an ultimo dragon right uh... blow away matches on the undercard i mean the top to bottom those shows were brilliant and then we saw the boom period that came uh... just before the pandemic hit and from that 90s period germy we just did a show with our friends at top rope nation discussing one of the key matches from that era

01:25:30.689 --> 01:25:34.314
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it may be a Patreon post.

01:25:34.414 --> 01:25:37.197
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not 100% sure about this, but believe it well.

01:25:37.217 --> 01:25:47.811
[SPEAKER_00]: Jesse Velazquez brought us on to talk about the 1996 event at the Tokyo Dome on January 4th called Russ League World.

01:25:48.292 --> 01:25:52.557
[SPEAKER_00]: And we were primarily talking about the Anoki versus Vader match.

01:25:52.577 --> 01:25:59.346
[SPEAKER_00]: And the funny story about this podcast is, again,

01:26:00.035 --> 01:26:02.940
[SPEAKER_00]: And we're, uh, we're killing up before the take.

01:26:03.701 --> 01:26:10.112
[SPEAKER_00]: And Steven, Dave, that we're talking about their match in the 80s that set off the entire feud.

01:26:10.372 --> 01:26:12.395
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, I thought it was Writers Day Bu in 1987.

01:26:12.476 --> 01:26:18.145
[SPEAKER_01]: They're trying to say, and Vader versus a nokey, the first thing that Johnson on my mind is when Vader squashed a nokey and his big debut.

01:26:18.185 --> 01:26:20.088
[SPEAKER_01]: And then I get there and say, OK, we're talking about 1996.

01:26:20.148 --> 01:26:21.250
[SPEAKER_01]: I was like,

01:26:21.533 --> 01:26:23.435
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, that made her anokin next.

01:26:23.455 --> 01:26:27.941
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, so this dude is like panicking for maybe like two minutes.

01:26:27.961 --> 01:26:33.348
[SPEAKER_00]: Just kind of like, yeah, I've kind of darting around on the screen.

01:26:33.588 --> 01:26:44.462
[SPEAKER_00]: The mental role of that's going through with like, and then all of a sudden it like the the dude had the swing shot like thing and the pebble hits his brain.

01:26:44.843 --> 01:26:47.406
[SPEAKER_00]: And it all just like comes back to him.

01:26:47.386 --> 01:27:06.708
[SPEAKER_00]: And then we record for like an hour and this dude is like a steel trap talking about all of the new japan lore from like the 80s and the 90s and everything that you Everything that you got from that day melt their interview that we did where these two were going back and forth talking about historical stuff.

01:27:07.148 --> 01:27:12.094
[SPEAKER_00]: It was the same thing here and it was just a really fun conversation that we had.

01:27:12.074 --> 01:27:18.344
[SPEAKER_00]: about the parallels of 90 cents, New Japan, and the things that are happening nowadays.

01:27:18.705 --> 01:27:26.237
[SPEAKER_00]: And so if you guys feel like you want to go down that history lesson, go check out the top rope nation feed and you might be able to find it.

01:27:26.337 --> 01:27:27.940
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not 100% sure.

01:27:28.544 --> 01:27:31.688
[SPEAKER_01]: But it might be a patreon episode, but they never the last.

01:27:31.708 --> 01:27:40.138
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it was fun to do and yeah, it took me about 30 seconds to shift my mind from 1987 to 1996 like okay, wait a minute I got to think of what was going on.

01:27:40.218 --> 01:27:40.419
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.

01:27:40.439 --> 01:27:41.700
[SPEAKER_01]: That was the UW fi thing.

01:27:42.201 --> 01:27:42.801
[SPEAKER_01]: I was on moot.

01:27:42.821 --> 01:27:44.904
[SPEAKER_01]: I was in and it's a catching him.

01:27:44.944 --> 01:27:52.914
[SPEAKER_00]: Just like the move Okay, it was like pulling out one game card I'm putting another one and he's like, okay now.

01:27:52.934 --> 01:27:53.515
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm good.

01:27:53.535 --> 01:27:56.198
[SPEAKER_00]: Hey, it's like okay cool.

01:27:56.779 --> 01:27:57.960
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, I think we'll be fine

01:27:58.497 --> 01:28:07.669
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, the only other one I can think of five-year period there, man, I did enjoy 80, 83 to 87 was pretty great stuff.

01:28:07.689 --> 01:28:09.071
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's for it.

01:28:09.091 --> 01:28:12.496
[SPEAKER_01]: So go ahead and go on to 88, but that run there in the 80s.

01:28:12.516 --> 01:28:13.757
[SPEAKER_00]: 2015, 2020.

01:28:14.118 --> 01:28:17.823
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, Hulk Hogan coming over is the number one foreigner.

01:28:18.143 --> 01:28:22.009
[SPEAKER_01]: And Noki and Second Gucci was still a thing, and Kangokamuro was main event.

01:28:22.029 --> 01:28:27.576
[SPEAKER_00]: That was some good stuff there too.

01:28:30.188 --> 01:28:31.271
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think that's what happened.

01:28:31.291 --> 01:28:32.794
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think that's what that's what I mean.

01:28:32.814 --> 01:28:35.461
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, well, you got to the 2020 rental kingdom.

01:28:35.521 --> 01:28:40.814
[SPEAKER_00]: That looks at Tata Hashi, I think, uh, Chris Jericho match.

01:28:40.834 --> 01:28:41.816
[SPEAKER_00]: It might have been 2021.

01:28:41.897 --> 01:28:43.440
[SPEAKER_00]: Looks still either way.

01:28:43.460 --> 01:28:46.628
[SPEAKER_00]: It looks just kind of like, yeah, this feels like the end of the corner there.

01:28:48.430 --> 01:28:52.497
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, well, I mean, the pandemic shot that day.

01:28:52.517 --> 01:28:53.479
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, that's the thing.

01:28:53.499 --> 01:28:54.421
[SPEAKER_01]: I've talked about it so much.

01:28:54.441 --> 01:28:56.524
[SPEAKER_00]: We were talking about the ton of hot sheets stuff, right?

01:28:56.564 --> 01:28:56.885
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

01:28:57.386 --> 01:28:58.908
[SPEAKER_00]: And I was recapping everything.

01:28:59.429 --> 01:29:08.886
[SPEAKER_00]: I was watching, you know, he had that wrestling kingdom match with Kenny Omega and it just felt like that was the last big wrestling

01:29:08.866 --> 01:29:12.590
[SPEAKER_00]: mold the other ones who were like with Jericho and with Ken Ta.

01:29:13.091 --> 01:29:33.034
[SPEAKER_00]: And they were fine, but they weren't, they were down the card, they were whatever Jericho winning, whatever, like it just, like it felt like the, and I, I'm being glib, but it felt like the era was over when you had

01:29:33.588 --> 01:29:37.541
[SPEAKER_00]: and putting guys over that aren't part of territory.

01:29:38.043 --> 01:29:38.544
[SPEAKER_00]: You know what I mean?

01:29:38.564 --> 01:29:39.949
[SPEAKER_00]: Like there was just kind of that.

01:29:40.451 --> 01:29:43.581
[SPEAKER_00]: All right, it just feels like the golden age is not quite what it was.

01:29:44.017 --> 01:30:11.340
[SPEAKER_01]: That's fair enough, yeah, that the dome that you're almost full, they almost filled it and then I'll also every bit of that momentum and oh yeah Jordan for Canada mentioned you WF you good great guys yeah NJP W World Archives go back to 87 or so or something like that 86 anyway go ahead and look it up any you WF versus New Japan and the the crowd heat

01:30:11.320 --> 01:30:14.024
[SPEAKER_01]: just wild, rabid crowds for that.

01:30:14.044 --> 01:30:19.471
[SPEAKER_01]: They were so into all that with Maeda and all that stuff coming over that that shoe promotion coming back.

01:30:19.671 --> 01:30:20.452
[SPEAKER_01]: There were two different ones.

01:30:20.592 --> 01:30:35.893
[SPEAKER_01]: There's UWFI in the 90s and UWF in the 80s, especially the one in the 80s when this is like and no key going against this other company and they sold it brilliantly as the interpromotional thing, which they mentioned that

01:30:35.873 --> 01:30:56.110
[SPEAKER_01]: interpromotional matches were the the last vestiges of cafe because the the only thing people believed into the 1990s Jeremy was that there was heat between the promotions they the last thing the fans believe was that the wrestlers from one company hated the wrestlers from other company or one company hated the other because it was true.

01:30:56.090 --> 01:30:56.831
[SPEAKER_01]: for the most part.

01:30:57.312 --> 01:30:58.654
[SPEAKER_01]: It was frequently true.

01:30:58.994 --> 01:31:14.976
[SPEAKER_01]: So when they did put that stuff aside and work out some sort of plan, if you did it correctly, one of the last things that drew money in USWA, Memphis, one of the last things drew money for smoking mountain wrestling, was a USWA versus smoking mountain feud.

01:31:14.956 --> 01:31:17.899
[SPEAKER_01]: Because people believed that people believe these guys didn't like each other.

01:31:18.600 --> 01:31:21.384
[SPEAKER_01]: And so anyway, yeah, I go back to the archives there.

01:31:21.524 --> 01:31:23.025
[SPEAKER_01]: UWF versus New Japan.

01:31:23.506 --> 01:31:27.551
[SPEAKER_01]: And you want to see some crowd heat, but those fans were just insane for that stuff.

01:31:27.571 --> 01:31:30.174
[SPEAKER_01]: It was just some crazy, crazy crowd heat.

01:31:31.415 --> 01:31:31.836
[SPEAKER_01]: Fun stuff.

01:31:32.817 --> 01:31:37.082
[SPEAKER_00]: All right, let's take it home with the little lineup of people that are shown up for the show.

01:31:37.113 --> 01:31:44.774
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I want to say thanks for the interaction today here, but new beginning, and that's going to go February 27th, Trenton, New Jersey.

01:31:45.054 --> 01:31:46.398
[SPEAKER_01]: We know we have the knockout brothers.

01:31:46.438 --> 01:31:52.675
[SPEAKER_01]: We know we have probably global title defense from Yoda, Susie, probably not a lot of look at that title.

01:31:52.655 --> 01:31:53.296
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, it's beautiful.

01:31:53.916 --> 01:31:56.299
[SPEAKER_01]: And David Finlay is going to be there.

01:31:56.319 --> 01:31:58.181
[SPEAKER_01]: We also have more names.

01:31:58.701 --> 01:31:59.982
[SPEAKER_01]: Shuri is going to be there.

01:32:00.022 --> 01:32:06.189
[SPEAKER_01]: So the new double champ champ, the NJP W Strong Champion and the IWGP Joseph Champion.

01:32:06.569 --> 01:32:07.430
[SPEAKER_01]: Shuri will be there.

01:32:08.110 --> 01:32:10.813
[SPEAKER_01]: We're also going to have Bolton, ECE will be there.

01:32:10.913 --> 01:32:12.495
[SPEAKER_01]: Desperado will also be there.

01:32:12.535 --> 01:32:15.358
[SPEAKER_01]: No matches quite announced.

01:32:15.618 --> 01:32:16.259
[SPEAKER_01]: We got one.

01:32:16.339 --> 01:32:16.779
[SPEAKER_01]: We got one.

01:32:17.140 --> 01:32:18.120
[SPEAKER_01]: No, there is one.

01:32:18.241 --> 01:32:22.645
[SPEAKER_01]: It's to catch the versus L fan test mode for the TV title.

01:32:23.114 --> 01:32:25.660
[SPEAKER_00]: I think we're going to a time limit draw.

01:32:27.524 --> 01:32:28.086
[SPEAKER_01]: Hmm, you think so?

01:32:28.166 --> 01:32:28.747
[SPEAKER_01]: Good very little bit.

01:32:29.028 --> 01:32:35.082
[SPEAKER_00]: I think we're going to go to a time limit draw and frankly speaking, there are.

01:32:35.483 --> 01:32:49.627
[SPEAKER_00]: Dynamics that make no sense to me in New Japan and AEW, one being the Don Carlos family with and drawday being united up higher than you have to sky the Don Carlos family, like having nothing to do with any of the other factions.

01:32:49.667 --> 01:32:55.417
[SPEAKER_00]: So I think something can have to break there and I do think to catch up breaking away from the Don Carlos family.

01:32:57.080 --> 01:32:58.723
[SPEAKER_00]: If that happens,

01:32:59.210 --> 01:33:01.454
[SPEAKER_00]: to catch just going to need a friend.

01:33:01.474 --> 01:33:05.099
[SPEAKER_00]: And Elfantazmo's last friend, just retired.

01:33:05.119 --> 01:33:12.110
[SPEAKER_00]: So I would not be surprised if to catch an Elfantazmo end up being friend of me, Bethesdaes, whatever.

01:33:12.231 --> 01:33:15.696
[SPEAKER_00]: You know what I mean, like they've done, they've done their feet.

01:33:15.716 --> 01:33:17.920
[SPEAKER_00]: They've wrestled each other many, many times.

01:33:18.060 --> 01:33:20.003
[SPEAKER_00]: I can see that being allies living forward.

01:33:20.759 --> 01:33:23.823
[SPEAKER_01]: War hero is asking his David Finley coming to WWE.

01:33:23.863 --> 01:33:24.524
[SPEAKER_01]: I think they're talking.

01:33:24.944 --> 01:33:32.894
[SPEAKER_01]: We'll see if they come to a financial agreement, but could very well be not I don't think anything is I don't think anyone's decided anything yet including either of those two sides.

01:33:33.615 --> 01:33:34.577
[SPEAKER_01]: I think they're talking about money.

01:33:35.618 --> 01:33:45.130
[SPEAKER_00]: I have heard rumors and the rumors that I've heard seem to suggest that David Finley will likely be staying with new fans.

01:33:45.785 --> 01:33:46.206
[SPEAKER_01]: There you go.

01:33:46.786 --> 01:33:52.333
[SPEAKER_01]: And one of the thing here, Jeremy, can we get new Japan to actually spell the name of Kenosuke correctly, both times.

01:33:52.513 --> 01:33:52.954
[SPEAKER_01]: We've got it.

01:33:53.154 --> 01:33:53.535
[SPEAKER_00]: They got it.

01:33:53.555 --> 01:33:54.536
[SPEAKER_00]: They got it right in blue.

01:33:54.576 --> 01:33:55.837
[SPEAKER_00]: That's not in white.

01:33:56.478 --> 01:33:57.079
[SPEAKER_00]: Take a hit on it.

01:33:57.740 --> 01:33:59.802
[SPEAKER_00]: It's like they're making fun of my blitz with the.

01:34:02.406 --> 01:34:04.708
[SPEAKER_01]: And Jordan says ELPA really enjoy.

01:34:04.748 --> 01:34:05.329
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I do too.

01:34:05.429 --> 01:34:07.472
[SPEAKER_01]: He's and this is going to be a terrific match on these two.

01:34:07.492 --> 01:34:08.553
[SPEAKER_01]: We're going to work all the time.

01:34:08.613 --> 01:34:11.657
[SPEAKER_00]: But if they go 15 minutes to know there is no winner, are you going to be shot?

01:34:12.532 --> 01:34:17.179
[SPEAKER_01]: No, but to Keshe, he says Jordan says could be the best athlete and pro wrestling today.

01:34:17.419 --> 01:34:22.126
[SPEAKER_01]: He's certainly one of the best workers when he wants to just buckle down and have a great match.

01:34:22.186 --> 01:34:24.169
[SPEAKER_01]: He's one of the best at doing so.

01:34:24.189 --> 01:34:28.255
[SPEAKER_00]: So I gave a close to buying a pair of ELP shades in Japan.

01:34:28.275 --> 01:34:28.555
[SPEAKER_00]: Thank you.

01:34:28.575 --> 01:34:29.697
[SPEAKER_00]: We're very into bugs of.

01:34:29.896 --> 01:34:30.597
[SPEAKER_01]: No, we're there.

01:34:30.617 --> 01:34:31.198
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, bummer.

01:34:31.218 --> 01:34:31.539
[SPEAKER_01]: All right.

01:34:31.559 --> 01:34:36.146
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that's probably 85 dollars to buy 85 dollars.

01:34:36.607 --> 01:34:37.048
[SPEAKER_00]: Right.

01:34:37.108 --> 01:34:38.831
[SPEAKER_00]: What do you want to tell me stuff going on there?

01:34:38.851 --> 01:34:40.253
[SPEAKER_00]: It was like, oh, they make 13,000 yen.

01:34:40.293 --> 01:34:43.077
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, so, so they actually light up.

01:34:43.218 --> 01:34:52.793
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, they actually do what, because, oh, yeah, I've got that how mean mask shop and I saw them in person with the case with the elephant has my logo with everything there.

01:34:53.575 --> 01:34:55.077
[SPEAKER_00]: I was very tempted by it.

01:34:55.647 --> 01:34:56.788
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I would have to.

01:34:57.008 --> 01:34:59.031
[SPEAKER_01]: I would have been tempted at least for sure.

01:34:59.972 --> 01:35:00.312
[SPEAKER_01]: All right.

01:35:00.372 --> 01:35:12.685
[SPEAKER_01]: So when we come back next week we'll be back at a regular time Thursday at 530 p.m. Eastern in the United States and we will be talking about all three of these shows and the aftermath of them will be previewing what comes ahead.

01:35:13.366 --> 01:35:16.870
[SPEAKER_01]: There's not a whole lot left in the month on NJPW world.

01:35:16.930 --> 01:35:23.477
[SPEAKER_01]: There's a couple of boat race events that we'll talk about and those are usually

01:35:23.457 --> 01:35:25.920
[SPEAKER_01]: a whole other thing that's going on.

01:35:26.000 --> 01:35:27.763
[SPEAKER_01]: It's not just a card of wrestling.

01:35:28.063 --> 01:35:34.592
[SPEAKER_01]: There's a whole festival going on and they have a few matches that's coming up until the ice goes like the 28th.

01:35:34.652 --> 01:35:37.977
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, some road to stuff that doesn't going to be on TV.

01:35:38.037 --> 01:35:39.218
[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah.

01:35:39.238 --> 01:35:46.528
[SPEAKER_00]: So after what the 20th dose of three shows that we have, we're basically going another week without

01:35:47.116 --> 01:35:48.698
[SPEAKER_00]: We're having another chit chat week.

01:35:49.379 --> 01:35:50.520
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, Gordon, you're invited.

01:35:50.580 --> 01:35:51.461
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, please.

01:35:51.922 --> 01:35:56.267
[SPEAKER_01]: And you know, Brad Gordon saying nice things to us appreciate that very much.

01:35:56.788 --> 01:36:04.077
[SPEAKER_01]: And yeah, I enjoyed this because it was in time, a chance for us to kick around a few topics that we don't normally get to and I appreciate that the opportunity to do that.

01:36:04.578 --> 01:36:12.988
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, one more thing, I did get a chance to listen to the other podcasters that I met in Japan.

01:36:13.188 --> 01:36:21.317
[SPEAKER_00]: and I thought each one of them keeping a strong style had a great recap of their time that came out this past week.

01:36:22.499 --> 01:36:33.772
[SPEAKER_00]: Still hadn't finished all of we weren't stiff 12 hours of content that they provided over the course of the last like three weeks of going before and after rest looking to them.

01:36:33.792 --> 01:36:41.541
[SPEAKER_00]: They're they're Tana Hashi retrospective something like eight hours and then they did

01:36:42.365 --> 01:36:46.690
[SPEAKER_00]: The SuperJaycast, Joel's recap of his time there.

01:36:46.750 --> 01:36:52.516
[SPEAKER_00]: I thought it was an absolutely tremendous description of what it was like to be at the Tokyo Dome.

01:36:52.996 --> 01:36:59.543
[SPEAKER_00]: I wasn't exhausted when Steven grilled me that that morning after what we did the live show.

01:36:59.703 --> 01:37:03.948
[SPEAKER_00]: I literally do not remember a whole lot of what I said on that show.

01:37:04.388 --> 01:37:09.013
[SPEAKER_00]: All I know of being honest and authentic in the moment because that's all I can do.

01:37:09.483 --> 01:37:17.854
[SPEAKER_00]: But Joel's recap of January, in Tokyo was absolutely fantastic.

01:37:18.194 --> 01:37:20.597
[SPEAKER_00]: And I really enjoyed listening to what I did.

01:37:21.458 --> 01:37:22.539
[SPEAKER_01]: Awesome, I'm glad.

01:37:22.960 --> 01:37:30.009
[SPEAKER_01]: And by the way, though, the only other thing I wanted to mention here, that there is another X coming to a Noah show, teaming with Bushy and Naito.

01:37:30.129 --> 01:37:32.772
[SPEAKER_01]: A lot of people figure that that's going to be Sonata.

01:37:33.093 --> 01:37:34.174
[SPEAKER_00]: It's not Sonata, guys.

01:37:36.213 --> 01:37:37.714
[SPEAKER_00]: He's gone.

01:37:37.734 --> 01:37:40.197
[SPEAKER_00]: He's going away and he might not come back.

01:37:40.337 --> 01:37:43.260
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, this is a good injury stuff.

01:37:43.500 --> 01:37:48.365
[SPEAKER_00]: And, yeah, just wish him the dust.

01:37:48.385 --> 01:37:48.745
[SPEAKER_01]: Hold on.

01:37:48.765 --> 01:37:49.726
[SPEAKER_01]: I suppose I'm going on.

01:37:49.826 --> 01:37:50.187
[SPEAKER_01]: All right.

01:37:50.207 --> 01:37:52.349
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, we'll be keeping an eye on all that as well.

01:37:52.569 --> 01:37:54.170
[SPEAKER_00]: So probably we're used to it.

01:37:56.673 --> 01:37:58.194
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think it's going to be too good for the.

01:37:58.975 --> 01:37:59.456
[SPEAKER_00]: No, no.

01:37:59.756 --> 01:38:01.758
[SPEAKER_00]: Is the, if the, they're young boy.

01:38:02.458 --> 01:38:03.800
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, I see what you're talking about.

01:38:03.860 --> 01:38:06.102
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yes, it is brother.

01:38:06.183 --> 01:38:06.543
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

01:38:06.563 --> 01:38:08.105
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, this twin brother would be a good one.

01:38:08.485 --> 01:38:22.197
[SPEAKER_00]: Like eventually they're going to have to put that guy in the ring and he keeps coming out and they keep to you know, eventually like, yeah, make a game and add that you're looking forward to how they're going to be a really good idea or really bad idea, but I don't think it's an idea as they just counted.

01:38:22.217 --> 01:38:35.228
[SPEAKER_00]: Hey, in five years, we might be pining for a, yes, the versus yesterday dream match something I want tiger math versus a black tiger with those two where the mask and that's my new bullet and bolt bolted and bolt club.

01:38:35.427 --> 01:38:38.890
[SPEAKER_00]: All right, this is a dream dive another dream rise.

01:38:40.557 --> 01:38:42.640
[SPEAKER_01]: And thus is the circle of life.

01:38:42.780 --> 01:38:43.140
[SPEAKER_01]: All right.

01:38:43.200 --> 01:38:44.682
[SPEAKER_01]: So we will be back next week.

01:38:44.702 --> 01:38:46.124
[SPEAKER_01]: Talk about what happened to Blue Justice.

01:38:46.144 --> 01:38:49.989
[SPEAKER_01]: We'll be talking about Cora Conhall, and anything else that comes up.

01:38:50.009 --> 01:38:51.131
[SPEAKER_01]: And you know, there's going to be something.

01:38:51.171 --> 01:38:53.894
[SPEAKER_01]: So with that in mind, I want to thank everybody that joined us here.

01:38:53.974 --> 01:38:55.156
[SPEAKER_01]: Terrific interaction today, guys.

01:38:55.176 --> 01:38:58.901
[SPEAKER_01]: Really appreciate your comments, and jumping in to everybody who watches this later.

01:38:59.101 --> 01:39:00.182
[SPEAKER_01]: We're grateful for your time.

01:39:00.643 --> 01:39:04.848
[SPEAKER_01]: Everyone that listens to this podcast, thank you so much for joining us.

01:39:05.029 --> 01:39:06.030
[SPEAKER_01]: We really appreciate it.

01:39:06.070 --> 01:39:07.191
[SPEAKER_01]: We'll be back next Thursday.

01:39:07.211 --> 01:39:07.712
[SPEAKER_01]: So for just a little bit,

01:39:07.692 --> 01:39:09.380
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm Stephen Conway.

01:39:09.662 --> 01:39:11.973
[SPEAKER_01]: This has been speaking of strong style and we'll talk to you again.

01:39:12.013 --> 01:39:12.717
[SPEAKER_01]: Real soon.

01:39:13.199 --> 01:39:15.289
[SPEAKER_00]: I second everything with that digest set.