NJPW Sold by Bushiroad! TV Asahi & CyberAgent Take Over New Japan | Speaking of Strong Style

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[SPEAKER_00]: Mochi Obedez, it's Thursday and we have had some big, big news drops since our last show.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Boo, she wrote, the entertainment company that owns New Japan and start them, announced to the selling its shares of New Japan Pro Wrestling.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That was big news, of course, but just who they're selling those shares, too, is just as interesting.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We're going to look at the coming sale and what it might be for the struggling New Japan company.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We'll also look at the best of the Super Junior standing, since the tournament moves into the home.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Look at their time in his career.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's more relevant to today than you might think.

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[SPEAKER_00]: With Jeremy Feinstein, I'm Stephen Conway.

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[SPEAKER_00]: This is Speaking of Strong Style.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We wanted to speak in strong style, where we discussed the news issues and events surrounding New Japan pro wrestling.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We're contributing to the fight game media network.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And of course, BUSJ is underway.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, there are other things going on.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Jeremy around the wrestling world.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But there's really one thing on everybody's minds if they're a fan of New Japan pro wrestling.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That is the news.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That New Japan will have new owners very, very soon.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I believe by the end of June, this deal is supposed to be complete.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, New Japan pro wrestling being sold by Bushy Road, who's owned it for quite a while now.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And they are going to TV, Sahi, and cyber agent, two companies that if you really pay attention to the behind-the-scenes stuff in Japanese pro wrestling, are too pretty familiar names.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, first off, hello, Stephen, hi, how are you?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Pick it off, we audience are living on borrowed time because it appears that our internet connections are not as compatible as they usually are with each other, so we're gonna take it nice and slow and try and cover everything today.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Might be a little bit of a lag, might be a little bit of an audio cut here or there, but just bear with us, we're gonna get through all the show and

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, Steven, middle of the night, Monday to Tuesday, Tuesday to Wednesday.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't even know anymore.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It was just in the middle of the night.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And it was just like, oh, and I'll tell you, I didn't know what to think at first.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, it was just one of those like, oh, it sold.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not surprised, but I don't know if I should be worried or relieved.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And so there was a bit of that going on.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And it just, here we are.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So take it from there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We will in just a second.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I want to say hi to the people that are here with us Jordan from Canada's with us also Tom talks rubbish is here and I want to mention that Tom talks rubbish TOM talks rubbish are you BBI s h is a YouTube channel and a show that is that we both enjoy a lot and that we have both been guests on my and my episode just dropped a few days ago so be happy if the folks listening here would check out Tom talks rubbish on YouTube and check out my

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[SPEAKER_00]: my episode.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I that just dropped a little bit talking about my fandom and some various thoughts on pro wrestling.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So Tom, we're glad you're here.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And we talked to a lot of rubbish.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, exactly.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Jeremy has an episode on there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I have an episode.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So Tom talks rubbish.

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[SPEAKER_00]: How about I show you?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, power bound shelves too.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So he's he interviews a lot of people in the the pro wrestling podcast analysis space and

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, absolutely.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I agree.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I had a great time doing the show.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So that is available.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Now on YouTube and we encourage everyone to check it out.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Sure.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I want to make sure you do that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yeah, Gary Gonzalez as well.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He had a double G on it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So the plenty of fight game media people have been on the show.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So we want to make sure that all of you there check that out on YouTube.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But

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[SPEAKER_00]: The news, Jeremy.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so we talked about this a few weeks ago when Bushy Road took out that huge loan.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Bushy road has been struggled.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They have not been thriving in their space with their core businesses.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The card games, the trading card games.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They don't do Pokemon, but card games similar to that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They do mobile phone games.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Some of this is going to sound familiar later, by the way, we talk about cyber agent.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's been faltering a little bit.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They've had some troubles and they took out a very big loan and we talked about on this show, right here, that this could be something for New Japan, because when a company needs to borrow a lot of money to revitalize its core business, they have to both pay back that loan and sometimes the dreaded phrase, focus on core businesses.

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[SPEAKER_00]: New Japan could have been used to get cash to be a cash grab, so they're not a cash grab, but they can't sell or rather elective their company to make the loan payment and touch to keep their best quality.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And it speaks a little bit to a couple of different things that the fact that they are keeping start him, Bushy Road and that cell start him at this point.

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[SPEAKER_00]: A couple of things there might be just the struggles of New Japan and that New Japan is just a more expensive promotion of the two probably.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And the other side of it, which is, start him still in really well, and of the two of them, you'd kind of rather keep start him right now as ghosts.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But you have a really simple answer for that one, actually.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, yeah, this is the one that can get more money for right now.

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[SPEAKER_01]: No, Catalini really like our, well, like you super invested in startups tests, more so than New Japan.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So he will find divesting of New Japan, but he's like, no, I'm really into what we're doing with startup and I want to be a part of them.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, it also helps that Stardom is in the hottest run of its entire existence here right now too.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So if one of those, I'm, I want, I'm enjoying myself and what Stardom is doing and all these things when it comes to Kadani and that, and that really what it was when it came to why Stardom stayed and they, they do believe that there is.

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[SPEAKER_01]: a lot of possibility to maximize profits even more with what they're doing with it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And if they sell now, they're missing out on, you know, the infrastructure being there and everything.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And yeah, if cheaper, they think they're higher upside and they're going to keep it around for a while.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and frankly, it's a better product at the moment by a good long shot.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So here is the breakdown a

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[SPEAKER_00]: TBSI, he already owned a piece of New Japan before all this.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They only 22% or so.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And what happened here is they sold shares, their shares, but she wrote shares of New Japan.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Now they sold more shares to cyber agent than they did to TBSI.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But when everything is done and dusted,

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[SPEAKER_00]: It looks like both TDSA, he and cyber agent own about 46.3% of New Japan pro wrestling each.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Now, that leaves about 7.4% floating around out there with minority shareholders either one or more than one.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not actually sure.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That could be a lot of things.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Sometimes companies will just sell off a percentage of a for cash to raise money for a project and that person owns such a small chunk.

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[SPEAKER_00]: that they don't really have any say of how anything is run, that's common in both mainstream business and in pro wrestling selling a piece of the office.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So to speak, that's been done about a million times over the years.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so looking at this, that means that cyber agent and TBSA, he own about equal shares of New Japan pro wrestling.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So who's running things?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, it's interesting, Jeremy.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I was looking at this stuff.

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[SPEAKER_00]: New Japan, TVSahi, and Sibration of all said that New Japan will be a subsidiary of TV Asahi.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So even though Sibration owns about the same amount of the company, it's going to be a TVSahi, the parent company of New Japan, in any kind of decision-making capacity.

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[SPEAKER_00]: What the heck is TVSahi?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, it's a major television station and a flagship of a national

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[SPEAKER_00]: stations all over Japan.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But TBSI, he's main point is this large important television station in based in the kind of region Tokyo all that stuff.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And interesting, I saw this Jeremy, cyber agent owns about 8% of TBSI.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So this is all mixed up and tangled up.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's so messy.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I love it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And TBSA, he also, there's the important part.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They run and operate NJPW World, the streaming service for New Japan Pro Wrestling.

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[SPEAKER_00]: New Japan also has a TV show on TBSI have for years, and that is, I believe it's called World Pro Wrestling, it's highlights, some live specials.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Of course, Russell Kingdom famously on national television this past year, and Dominion will be as well.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We'll pro wrestling, yeah, that's show on a Sahi.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then both of those companies, cyber agent, and TBSI operate Abima, which handles live streaming.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And not just pro wrestling, but certainly pro wrestling.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We've seen the a beam of logo in the upper corners of New Japan broadcast before.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's a joint venture between cyber agent and a Sahi.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So these two companies have worked together for years.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Cyber agent is on a piece of a Sahi for years.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The idea that these two are

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[SPEAKER_00]: working together in a business venture is old hat to both of them.

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[SPEAKER_00]: This has been going on for a while.

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[SPEAKER_00]: TDSI, he actually has been around since I think 1959 and their various names.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So it's an older company.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Cyboratient since I believe 1998 is what I was able to find Jeremy.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so that's what we're looking for.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So to me, the idea of having your television partner truly invested in the

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[SPEAKER_00]: That doesn't sound like a bad idea at all.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And that's what's really going on here.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The conclusion I came to you, actually, I got a chance to talk to somebody that we're at New Japan earlier today.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And just talking about all the intricacies of the sale and the new office, is that kind of how I know about the Kiddani thing and the startup is basically came from the horse's mouth there.

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[SPEAKER_01]: This is a good thing right like it could be year and a half for a last year to have it feels like bushy road if just kind of like autopilot and just like okay, you know, just do whatever if you're going to do this is your budget.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And they didn't seem to be a direction.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They didn't make plans for when Ocada, Naito, Tana-Hashi, all for different reasons left, and they didn't have a roster.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They didn't invest in the infrastructure.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And if I told you that the sales started getting tired kicked a year and a half ago, would you be surprised with the way that everything

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[SPEAKER_01]: has been going, you know, like the TV is on he incorporation on wrestle kingdom on dominion upcoming like this is all this is all connected.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Also, keep in mind, Bushy Road at one point, had start them under New Japan's books.

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[SPEAKER_00]: All this is just a lot of bookkeeping stuff.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Remember how New Japan owns the in a way, owns start them, and then they took that away and made start them a different part in New Japan.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And a lot of that stuff is for taxes, reasons, in bookkeeping, reasons, and all these kind of number crunching reasons.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But it seems like they were getting start them and New Japan's separated so that one of them could be sold off.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Now that it looks like that, the lone thing was another sign that something like this may have been coming happen faster than we thought it was going to Jeremy we thought that it would take a little while, but it turned out they had other they had this plan probably in mind that these deals take a long time, but the timing was the timing right like when you're negotiating a fail like this, it's get a it's get a wrap up when it wraps up when you're taking out a loan you have to announce the loan when you take out the loan.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, they will go all probably part of one big corporate synergy plan of how they're going to do it, but different steps were taken along the way and that's how we got to where we are now.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So, the best way I can put it is like, it's great for a new Japan, but they still have their

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, I mean, it could be good for New Japan.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Let's say we don't know that yet, but the key is, it's better than staying with Bouchy Road.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's what I'm trying to say is like, Bouchy Road was done.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, they wanted out of the New Japan business.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And if they weren't going to be able to find a seller and at least Petidia saw he, who, from my understanding, approached Bouchy Road with this offer, you know, like they came to that and said, hey, you know, what would you say if like this, uh,

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[SPEAKER_01]: you wanted to sell back and did negotiation and what they could afford to pay.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And, you know, the value of New Japan right now for what they sold was a fraction of the value five years ago.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It was literally 20% of what it value was.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It was worth 125 million just before the pandemic.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And they hold it for

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[SPEAKER_01]: They hold the they divested for what 22 million dollars US if what an end-up being I The numbers about that pretty sure 22 million It's embarrassing Right like you just that's a song

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, I look like it's still 22 million more than W.C. W. Claude for, but Well, it reminds me of the whole thing of, it's not, again, not apples to apples, but we mentioned it here before when Ted Turner passed away is that the Crocket family had gotten itself into

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[SPEAKER_00]: some debt and I've heard anywhere between $2 million and $7 million.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The number isn't important, but Ted Turner was like, oh crap, that's one of the best rated things on our channel.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I was like, how much, how in debt are they?

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[SPEAKER_00]: And they told Ted and Ted's reaction was just like, well, by the thing, I have that my wallet, Ted was a billionaire.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so it's what $2 million, $7 million, okay, it's just by the things we don't lose the programming.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, TV and SA, he might be looking at this and just going, this is part of our network.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We

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[SPEAKER_00]: feel like we can do this better, and they're probably right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The key to this, when I look at it, though Jeremy is for a long time, one of the keys.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It takes away a bit of an excuse because throughout the pandemic, after the pandemic, we have heard a lot of

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[SPEAKER_00]: Backhanded things, grumblings from the talent, sometimes from people in the office that have said things that were thinly veiled at best, about interference, you know, Yoda as soon as you said, hey, we're not characters in the game, we're pro wrestlers, the, I'm pretty sure you do fit up when he mouthed off about that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The issue here, though, is,

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[SPEAKER_00]: if they leave Bushy Road or Bushy Road sells them and Bushy Road isn't involved anymore.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And the product still stinks.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You're out, that's one big excuse that's not there anymore.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I want to get it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And so 100%.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The other problem is, no new ownership, man.

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[SPEAKER_01]: There'd be like, do what you do.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, we're coming in and just,

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[SPEAKER_01]: And very little interruption to the synergy.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, let's see, we don't know who they're saying right now.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's what they've been doing with the company.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Everybody always says, I mean, there's not going to be any interference at this point.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, down the line, they're going to be figuring out like, can people know what do the job for people in New Japan and people who've been in the office for 30 years are in fact concerned about whether they're going to be made redundant in the job that they currently have in love.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, like, you don't fire people, but they move them to somewhere else in the company.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And it's just one of those, those are real concerns.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And you know, that's always kind of what happened to me.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And when startup was having its record crowds and New Japan was struggling, one of the things that Mushiro did was put taro okada on a board of New Japan.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And of course,

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[SPEAKER_00]: Unspoken threat was they've got a guy who's already kind of around and in the new Japan business that can take over for town.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I actually have town.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I actually turns out to be a complete failure as president.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They can slide him over perhaps.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, that's kind of gone now.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Charles O'Cotta is with Stardom.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Stardom is staying with Bushy Road.

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[SPEAKER_00]: New Japan isn't.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I know that there are people involved with Stardom who are who

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[SPEAKER_00]: mixed feelings about Taro O'Cotta, but don't deny that he has the company cooking from a business perspective right now, like nobody ever has.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So in some way, some people are relieved that they don't have to worry about him getting moved over the New Japan because Tomahashi has failed.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But that's something that TV, SAHA, and CyberAsian might have to deal with some time as things roll on.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But that excuse is gone now, and now we'll see, again, they could change their mind tomorrow and say, oh, no, we're going to interfere like hell on this.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And they, and they absolutely have the right to.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Let's take a look at what cyber agent is, because there's a couple of things going on with cyber agent.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Cyber agent is an entertainment conglomerate.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They do streaming services.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We mentioned to Beema.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They do video games, internet advertising is a big thing for them, internet advertising,

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[SPEAKER_00]: They have a subsidiary called CyberFight subsidiary CyberFight.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That is the parent company of DDT, TJPW, and Pro Wrestling Noah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The interesting thing about this Jeremy is, New Japan's not going under CyberFight.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They will not be part of CyberFight.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They will be under.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, that's, again, everything we're saying is a for now, isn't it?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Because they can change their mind anytime.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Sure.

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[SPEAKER_00]: What I first heard about cyber agent being involved, I thought, Oh, they want the content for Russell Universe.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They already have a streaming service that has their guys on it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: DDT, TJPW, and no, are all on Russell Universe along with a bunch of others, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Marigold, if there is going to be a Marigold, if the entire Roster isn't hurt to the point they have to.

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[SPEAKER_00]: God.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But it doesn't look like it's going that way for now.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I thought, OK, well, TV Asahi runs NJPW world, cyber fight has wrestle universe.

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[SPEAKER_00]: One of the first things I thought was they're going to combine the two.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, that's good.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That doesn't look like it's going to happen because CBSahi runs that for now.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They are staying with NJPW world and the cyber fight company which oversees those three other promotions will not be overseeing New Japan Pro Wrestling.

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[SPEAKER_00]: As far as bringing in people from one show to another, will New Japan already does that with No.

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[SPEAKER_00]: 1 DDT.

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[SPEAKER_00]: On a fairly regular basis, there's a DDT wrestler and best of the super juniors.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We've seen New Japan talent go to NOA and vice versa all that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So in ring, this might not really change anything much.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It might be a little easier than before.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But that doesn't seem to be changing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The other thing I noticed Jeremy is that

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[SPEAKER_00]: among cyber-fight companies, each has a distinct personality.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Now, no one is very straightforward pro wrestling company.

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[SPEAKER_00]: DDT is not.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And both DDT and TJPW will sometimes push the boundaries of what is and what isn't pro wrestling and sometimes they get what, you know, some people think it's a little wacky.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They think outside the box, as far as traditional pro wrestling goes, but in different ways,

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[SPEAKER_00]: Right, thus far, and it's been a while, long enough to be a pattern.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Cyberfight has let them have their own personalities.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They have not made Noah become a little DDT-ish.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They haven't told DDT to straighten up and fly right and be more traditional.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They haven't told GJPW to drop the idle stuff and be more like start.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Hey, start.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm just had 8,000.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Be more like them.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They are letting these companies be themselves so far, and I think that's a healthy side.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Because they have had time to make a lot of changes to these companies, cultures, and have not done it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So that's another good side.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So now you have a TV partner that is one of the subsidiary of the TV partner.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So they have a vested interest in

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[SPEAKER_00]: another huge chunk of the company is owned by a company with a track record now, a couple of years, long of not changing things from the corporate level and letting them be themselves and work through both highs and lows.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So far, I'm not hating this.

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[SPEAKER_01]: No, I think you're an owl.

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[SPEAKER_01]: This is pretty good about all of that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think,

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[SPEAKER_01]: My understanding, TV saw he is totally fine with the niche fan world app as it is.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's profitable for them.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It is not fancy and then don't care if it's fancy.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Operating is optimized to them.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know what I mean?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like does it work?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Great.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Does it cost it any more money to keep it?

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[SPEAKER_01]: No, great.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's the kind of mentality they have.

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[SPEAKER_01]: think could be approved by the what they have going on over the RECO universe app and vice versa and if there was at some point

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[SPEAKER_01]: ability to kind of mesh all that together and you have like literally a new Japan world with a world of wrestling underneath it all in this app.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It for at least you have one for like you have the wrestling universe and if people in Japan and all that but you also have the new Japan world kills you already have that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That app that allows you at class worldwide now you have like the Noah shows on there and all these other And maybe New Japan world isn't your thing, but they're profit to be made by Upping that subscription model to two like tears one where you just have New Japan and a second one where you have New Japan and all these other

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[SPEAKER_01]: thing on the same.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, all these things are possible.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, there's no sign of that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: What I thought was interesting was a saahi and New Japan when they were separate companies.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like I said, saahi owned about a quarter-ish little less than a quarter of New Japan before all this.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But New Japan World, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: If you sign up for New Japan World, the pay your 999 and a month, beautiful service for a New Japan fan.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That money was split somehow, we don't know the proportions, but between TVSahi for running the app and for New Japan for providing the content for it, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, now, TVSahi gets to keep all of it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, they own New Japan, they have, so that 999 just goes straight into TVSahi.

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[SPEAKER_00]: For TVSahi,

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[SPEAKER_00]: to give that up by folding anything or combining anything with wrestling universe.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I would think that cyberAsian would have to pay TVSI a decent amount of money to give up that monthly revenue every month if service is profitable.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know what I mean?

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[SPEAKER_00]: So they would be giving and with this deal they would be keeping more of it than they had before.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Meaning you would probably have to pay them more than you did before in order to do that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So it's possible but no sign of that quite yet because there is a financial interest in

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[SPEAKER_01]: What you mentioned actually also made me think of something else up to this point the price was stable for a new Japan world because It like 99 translation if you had whatever that was in the rest of the world you paid But it was like that was the price that you paid and that was because you had two entities who agreed upon this

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[SPEAKER_01]: Now, essentially, Kivians saw he could set the price of whatever they want, and they want to raise the price because the value of the yet is so low and they feel like customers will be okay with paying an extra $2 with the in their currency.

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[SPEAKER_01]: There's not the stop and I'm at this point.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It has not changed in, I don't even want to say this too loud.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I'm going to whisper it into my microphone.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Hopefully they won't hear me.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They have not changed the price of NJPW World since I got it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And that was way before the pandemic.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Years before the pandemic.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's been like, and it's in like $99, $99, $99, $99, $99, $99, $99, $99, $99, $99, $99, $99, $99, $99, $99, $99, $99, $99, $99, $99, $99, $99, $99, $99, $99, $99, $99, $99, $99, $99, $99, $99, $99, $99, $99, $99, $99, $99, $99, $99, $99, $99, $99, $99, $99, $

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[SPEAKER_01]: There's a reality that for some people, Netflix was cheaper than New Japan world when the Japan world first came out.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I think about that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Think about that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: What a world.

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[SPEAKER_01]: 99 is $8.99 and then now it's $26.99 and go on.

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[SPEAKER_01]: New Japan and JPW world.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Still 99.99.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's pretty amazing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So we'll see about that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But again, no announcements.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Now the other part.

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[SPEAKER_00]: the alliance with startup.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That seems very, very tenuous to me, Jeremy.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Now they've come on and they've said all the nice polite things that they want to continue to work together in all this.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But let's remember Bushy Road wanted that

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[SPEAKER_00]: synergy more than New Japan did.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe even more than started it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Start and probably like the publicity at first in having a New Japan women's match, or excuse me, a start to match on a New Japan show like Russell Kingdom.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They probably like that idea.

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[SPEAKER_00]: New Japan never really seemed all that into it, but it was something that New Bushy Road wanted.

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[SPEAKER_00]: what this means for the IWGP Women's Championship in Stardom.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Don't know, it would not be the first time that titles have left promotions, so to speak.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The Francis Tiger Mask wrestled for the WWF Jr. Heavyweight title in the early 80s.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know how, when guys come over for Fantasco Mania and they are the historic,

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[SPEAKER_00]: Mexican middleweight champion, the historic champion, you're like, what in the world does that mean?

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[SPEAKER_00]: That used to be the NWA middleweight title.

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[SPEAKER_00]: when they were NWA members.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And now they just aren't anymore.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So they just called the historic middleweight title because they already had a champion and the champion already had challengers.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so it just stopped being an NWA title.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know, but they can basically do kind of whatever they want.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't imagine that New Japan is ringing their hands just thinking whatever we do with this women's title because I kind of sort of think they didn't really want in the first place.

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[SPEAKER_01]: No, I think I think,

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[SPEAKER_01]: you're on to something there because there's definitely going to be moments upcoming in which town is going to have to decide whether they're going to be aligned with stardom or new Japan and I'm talking about walkers too.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know like you've got a contract with tedious all he and now he's got a contract with bushy road and it may be that you're going to have

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[SPEAKER_01]: And really going to be one of those things that you're going to understand the tone of this relationship truly when you start seeing what the talent has to have to make decisions about, you know, like the the women's title like you mentioned, it could just.

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[SPEAKER_01]: disappear or get folded into another belt that's actually in stardom.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, just hold it a day and they just give the belt back to the cut to New Japan.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And you know, maybe something happened in a few years and they pull that belt right out of like pull that belt out of the model.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Who knows, but it just one of those things that

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[SPEAKER_01]: I wondered at next year what that second match is going to be in from what promotion at rest of the kingdom that they're going to have.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I feel like it's going to be started this year, but you could definitely have a Noah like crossover match.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The idea of nighto who's showing up again in New Japan.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's kind of like shot up.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You could do the know of versus New Japan War if you really wanted to, like all of these things now, but they could have done that anyway, they kind of did for a minute and then the same thing happens every time you do a cross promotional feud.

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[SPEAKER_00]: it goes on and it's kind of cool.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then one of the two sides just ain't that into it anymore.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And it kind of fizzles out.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It happens almost every time, almost every time.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But now you can have a cyber agent to create that you're doing this rather than, but why would they have that would be the most in the fair thing that I've ever done.

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[SPEAKER_01]: If you tried business, man, like what corporation has never gone involved in wrestling?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, through the detriment of wrestling.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, well, yeah, we're seeing that TKO is trying to ruin one of the big one of the cash cows they got, but yeah, I mean, you're right, they could, but there we don't know and the thing is, but these are all possibilities now that we're right or that's what we were doing before.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So, New Japan could drop the women's titles all together.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They have the NJPW strong women's title, but you know what, it's just me and the TJPW is going to be on Wrestle Kingdom because they're not necessarily New Japan just might say, okay, we don't have corporate overlords telling us to mix women in, so we're not gonna, you know.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So, because there aren't a lot of indications that New Japan wanted to.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It was more, let New Japan kind of had to.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Do you think it's funny that Bushy Road basically hold New Japan at the best possible opportunity that it wasn't embarrassing to them because they had the rest of Kingdom like victory lap, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: So no, all they have to say is like they left and they had a position of strength because their lives, big event, restful kingdom, cold out the crowd and had a net profit.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Now, call you have to say that, but if they don't have that, then it just looks embarrassing when you sell it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But right now, it's one of those, no, no, no, look at this event.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We had four months ago.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We're doing great guys.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It looks just like this, don't look over here, look at this over here.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But don't look at anything else.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Right, look at anything else, anything else.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's a strange thing, but yeah, so anyway, that's the key right now.

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[SPEAKER_00]: 46.3% TBSI and to a cyber agent not going under the same banner as Noah, TJP and DDT and it's possible because it doesn't look like the streaming service is changing for now.

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[SPEAKER_00]: All of this is for now because if someone high enough on the corporate ladder snaps their fingers and changes their mind, it's a whole different.

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[SPEAKER_00]: As of right now, I think this is a little bit encouraging.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think there is any doubt that Bushy Road didn't do a great job.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And maybe they're struggles within their own core businesses have them so distracted.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They just don't have the bandwidth.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, to handle New Japan right now.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's a, tell the wrestlers to just sell some tickets with it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, yeah, we're worried about our phone games and all that stuff.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's worth a lot more money to them.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And maybe this is just them just let's just concentrate on what we're good at.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And startups hot, they're willing to take New Japan off our hands.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And for New Japan, it could be somebody who was poking around in there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And we kept hearing that there were people within New Japan that liked certain guys.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And one of certain people pushed and all this.

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[SPEAKER_00]: One or two things happens, either the interference goes away or that excuse goes away.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yep, yep.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I am encouraged for the creative ofage fan because as you can see on social media, there were several individuals that were more than believed to be out of Bushy Road and Codani's control, somewhat humorous to see some of the United Empire guys having a opinion of something when they never have an opinion on the internet.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Can you when you summarize can you generalize generally summarize some of those if we great O'Conan and are a both in like but go guys it's time

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[SPEAKER_01]: how the shackles are all that kind of stuff.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And it's that's interesting because Great O'Con is a big game dude.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He is big and gaming and he has turned up in some of those e-sports events.

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[SPEAKER_00]: This is a guy that kind of understands the zeitgeist in the gaming culture.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And maybe he senses the bushy road just ain't the cool thing right now.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then he's happy to be away from it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I do not know, but in terms of what happened to the infrastructure and

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[SPEAKER_01]: Can you a sleep positive, but there's a lot that's going to happen.

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[SPEAKER_01]: This is all just knee jerk that's happened two days ago from the, like, responses that I got from the company, uh,

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[SPEAKER_01]: It was just, basically, like, poor swarim, post-mortem.

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[SPEAKER_01]: This is how it was going down.

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[SPEAKER_01]: This was the vibe, the vibe is better now.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But nobody knows, nobody knows what the future is going to bring, but their feels like there's an optimism that it's not just heading in the same direction with the same guy at the helm who was approving the decisions that was getting a company

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, and it's true, and you mentioned Walker earlier, that's going to be interesting to see what happens there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The one thing that I will say for the wrestling business in Japan as a positive is they seem to be willing to have an answers on their show who also worked for other promotions Marata.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We've seen Marata all the time at New Japan.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's one of the many played by play in officers to sit next to Moana Collection 18.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It works for everybody, everybody.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Basically, everybody except all Japan.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You see Marata at Startum.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You'll see him at New Japan.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You'll see him at TJPW.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He has, I've seen him on D&E T shows.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So he's already working for both cyboratian and for the TBSI, he people and Bushy Road companies and things like that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So,

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's an interesting point about Walker right there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I would hope for his sake and that he doesn't necessarily have to choose.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But if he does choose, remember, you can always call me.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'll go over there and do play by playing anytime anybody wants me to.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Hear me all Japan English commentary right here.

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[SPEAKER_00]: No, I'm joking about that, but it's

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[SPEAKER_00]: going to be interesting to see because there are people who work for multiple promotions, they don't hold people to exclusive contracts.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You are our announcer and our announcer only, like we see here in North America for instance.

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[SPEAKER_00]: A lot of those announcers will work for a lot of two-folding on wrestling university.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He does know a, and he does marigold, and he does, I've heard him on multiple promotions.

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[SPEAKER_00]: uh, just to and he's a really good English announcer also and they don't seem to keep him in a box and say, no, your contract is with us only.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So hopefully there's none of that silliness.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We've got plenty of that over here.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That doesn't need to go to Japan.

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[SPEAKER_01]: TV saw he has had their preconceived notions about what these commentators should look like and sound like in the past.

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[SPEAKER_01]: If you remember, they were ready to get rid of Chris Charlton here if you go because they didn't feel that he was what.

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[SPEAKER_01]: should be represented as an English speaking commentator.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And he thought his way through that through a fan support and all of these things.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I can tell you now that my understanding if he's fine, like, yeah, now the TV economy is back and they have full decision making like,

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[SPEAKER_01]: He, he, he, he better at his job.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He has met all of whatever improvement that they want him to do.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And honestly, like, I was so good for the get go.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Whatever improvement they have, I'm sure it's just like standard practices in Japan of what they want.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But I would not worry about Chris Charlotton's role in any of this year's two value.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Now he's best in the business.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I would rather listen to Chris and anybody else

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[SPEAKER_00]: Nice guy.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, but also an excellent announcer.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Good at storytelling in the history and everything else.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, I mean, I'm traumatized by him every time I listen to him on commentary.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and I, yeah, I reference his book when I'm doing all this tiger mask stuff.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, there are a couple of things, couple of tidbits.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And today's comes from his book, A.S.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The, which is about pro wrestling in the Tokyo dome, New Japan and otherwise.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'd be very good.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, well, that book accidentally.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to ignore that and grief wondering dead jokes.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, right, let's see, what do we got here now?

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[SPEAKER_00]: So we get just going to best of the Super Junior.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Should we try to pretend that was wrestling this week?

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[SPEAKER_01]: There wasn't a lot of good matches out of it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It wasn't a lot of good wrestling.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It wasn't a lot.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And we have more than 20, we have like 22, not just to cover.

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[SPEAKER_00]: some like that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The key is the preview tags came back and they went back to the either block A or block B with a couple of exceptions where they had because the bunddown and schedule they had to throw in an A block match on a B block night block.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That allowed the laziness to creep back in because the guy started to sleep walking through their preview tags and basically having

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[SPEAKER_00]: The B-block can be rough sledding.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They're, yeah, they can.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There aren't the matchups, and there is not the talent in the B-block that there is in the A-block.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So when it is a couple of preview tags and then B-block matches can be rough because that show in Shizuoka, the yesterday was rotten.

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[SPEAKER_00]: was really bad.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It was only like one good match on the whole thing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The lack of creativity is also taking center stage.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Jeremy, I don't know if you noticed the ceaseless repetitive finishes such as sometimes four matches in a row with submissions.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Sometimes we've talked about how every

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I do not need to hear a talk in a Cuchita match anymore.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I am over the stuffed animal from Hill.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I am over the sock with Cuchita.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It is a lot of samus.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It is a one note, it's like there's a reason that most of the time SNL sketches are terrible as movies, Wayne's World Accepted.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There there have been some but most of the time SNL sketches don't work as hour and a half movies because most SNL sketches are really like one or two jokes kind of done over and over again and you can't really do that for an hour and a half and be funny well you can't do this same stuff every single night when you can see it over and over again.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Back in the day in the territory days, yes, because the people in one town wasn't seeing what was going on in the other town.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So it was the first time for them.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But when you watch on NJPW world, four nights in a row, and they're doing the exact same stuff all four nights, this gets rough going.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And this was as good as the first week of action was, this week was pretty rough.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I would say there were 25% of the matches that are worth going out of your way to see out of.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So maybe like four matches, five matches out of the 20.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I've got a few here.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I've got a few here, a metric couple.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I wrote down all the notes and all that stuff.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I've got to go back.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, that was a bit of a winner.

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[SPEAKER_00]: No.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You're going to get into it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We're on the 22nd.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I got the, I'll bring up the appointment because we were going in.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Why don't we just look at the block standings and we're not going to go over these things matched by match by match because you want to look at the block standing before we recap everything or where we're at now.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Let's see where we are right now.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, one.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So, and also folks, if you're listening here and you're with us live, if you have questions about the sale, we'll try to answer them.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like I said, we don't know everything's going on right there, but Jeremy and I have spent the last day or so really looking into this pretty hard and talking to people.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So we will do our best to answer any questions about the sale, well, about what people do.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They kind of came to me and we'll call them.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that's right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: As it stands right now, we do have a leader in block A.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Now, block A is terrific.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There have been really good match.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Almost all the really good matches have been in block A. Teton is in the lead with 10 points.

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[SPEAKER_00]: After that, Master Watto Francesco Kirra and June Kassai are sitting on 8 points.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Kassai, by the way, is keeping the skewer business.

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[SPEAKER_00]: going in Japan with this whole tour, because that's the the gag he does every single light, which is used the wooden skewers.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Reusuke Taguchi, Robbie X, Jose Fujida and Nick Wayne are on six points and very much still alive in the tournament.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The two I would say that are either either on-life support or mathematically eliminated, one of each valiantage junior

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[SPEAKER_01]: Do you want to get that to Gucci and Valley and take you to Ben Flop in terms of who has its points and who has four points?

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[SPEAKER_00]: And not necessarily just because I do think that they have successfully created a little bit of tension with Taguchi because his next win breaks Liger's record.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I think that there is a tiny bit of intrigue going on there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And like I suggested last week, he got to Lager's record, and now we can't get over the hump.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's lost ever since.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I think that might continue all the way until maybe the last night of Blockway.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We'll talk about that in a little bit.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then it becomes a bit of a mystery as to whether or not he'll do it this year, or we'll have to wait until next year.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He has not said.

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[SPEAKER_00]: that he is doing his last BOSJ.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I think he's going to get that record eventually.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The question is, is this year or not?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's a, I'm not sure.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think it's this year, but, um, yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't really have much to add other than I just kind of, I'm looking to the dieting

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[SPEAKER_01]: Thinking, I don't think you're quitting a match.

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[SPEAKER_01]: To Gucci invalidate, because of the match stopage, we're actually thinking, maybe the whole end game was to actually just tie-liker record and never actually get past it, but because of the way that everything just kind of went down, plant change.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Can I still remember looking at the Gucci at all?

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[SPEAKER_01]: They were going to face, after the match invalidate, they're like, that wasn't supposed to be the point.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And that's what we're talking about that, yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: No, so I thought the A-Block had the most redeeming amount of good matches on these shows.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But we're gonna have to go through the thing again to really just come at you and say, deal with the best matches.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think on the 22nd, we had probably one of the best matches on the car on the whole best of the supergingers, and that would have been the A-Block main event.

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[SPEAKER_01]: By the way, do you want to get started from there?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Or do you want to get to the B-block?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, let's talk about this a little bit, because the match you're talking about is co-safusion and master water.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and a soccer, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Now, we talked about this match and highlighted it last week, just because master water is from Osaka.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They had been building up this match all the way through the approach to the tournament, let alone inside the tournament with Fujida.

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[SPEAKER_00]: saying, you know why no one ever steps to you, what else?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Because no one ever thinks about you at all.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You're just a non entity and other people have said things like maybe he's just not mean enough.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He just doesn't have the mean streak that you need to be a real winner.

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[SPEAKER_00]: All these guys won the tournament before.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And but they were just talking about that water just doesn't have that attitude.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, he goes into this match with Fujita in the main event in Osaka's hometown.

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[SPEAKER_00]: and they went to war right away, they were swinging on one another, and Fujida took over on the outside and stood with the idea that Watto doesn't have the mainstream football because when they were fighting, I'm not talking about the wrestling inside the ring, one of these two are fighting, Fujida had the advantage, and Fujida was beating him up around the ring, putting him in the ring, any brawling they did, Fujida early in the match, came out on top of it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Just look like Watto just

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[SPEAKER_00]: mean enough, basically, just did not have that fire, that anger, that other people were saying that you had to have, uh, Fujita did some of Watto's moves during the match.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The fans were into this.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They like Watto and Osaka.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They know he's from there and they do get behind him.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He rallied.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He got out of the throw right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He hit a monster, Lariat, and Fujita sold that Lariat beautifully, did basically a backflip.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Ressie at the Mente for two, and then hit the German with a bridge for three to a big pop.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so again, that German with bridge with the bridge.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He has really dialed in that move.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It can hit it beautifully.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It just looks great now.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And it's very similar to the Hupark de la Luna.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It is in that there's that little delay, that little pause that adds that extra drama.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And as arch, you know, to be like that, that whipped up and that arch and that pause.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And if you're like, that's pretty looking German, good luck.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's the same finish as canto me a horror and all Japan.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He does the same thing canto does that and it it just gives you that one little the way that one last chance for his opponent to perhaps get out of it or elbows way back and cocky German.

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[SPEAKER_00]: there you go.

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[SPEAKER_00]: No, you know, it's that's that's his name for it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But it's a, this was exactly the right story they needed to tell here.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He needed to overcome all that because if they trash talk him and say he's a non entity, say he's weak, and he loses, then you're just confirming that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And in this case, it says, now, maybe this guy's got a little bit of something.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's a big tiebreaker, perhaps too.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Uh, Watson and Fujita, and uh, what to get some victory.

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[SPEAKER_00]: it's to win this thing because I think there is a very rich story with Watto and Doki to come.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I think in the end, Watto is going to have at the very least make the playoffs and and basically if I had to pick one person win the super juniors, it is Watto right now.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Guys, I think he's on that path and he's on a hopster.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He still has Dikey and a guy match.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's going to win that one.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's going to come down to the final day.

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[SPEAKER_00]: but I just think it's the right story to tell with him right now, at least make the playoffs.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But anyway, terrific match, go back and check that one out.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It wasn't the only good match in Osaka, by the way.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There was another one.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That was the best show of the week.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I thought that was soccer show, get the municipal gym, again, of course, we mentioned that

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[SPEAKER_00]: The normal spot there within Eddie on Arena is under construction and renovation, but Robbie X and Jun Kassai in the semi-main was really entertaining as well.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They did a real good job there with Jun Kassai getting the victory with that butterfly pile driver that he uses.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Walkers been calling it a tiger driver, it's not a tiger driver.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And he's been calling a tiger driver, tiger bomb, it's not a tiger bomb.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We'll get to all that, but either that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Mitsuhara Masawa and Tiger Mass 4 do a Tiger driver.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know what that is that Junkasei does.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You're going to call it butterfly, piled driver, I guess.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Anyway, good match between Junkasei and Robbie X.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We mentioned Robbie X last week did have the run of his career, he spent that every match he said in this tournament's back sighting.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, Robbie active the low key MVP every time he has come to play, he has come to play.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Just nothing but acquips that guy and the crowd, the crowd's so behind him like he is of star in their eyes.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He almost like will operate at that because he's moving around and like a fast speed and he's not will operate.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He really is.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But

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[SPEAKER_01]: he's got a lot of the similar skillset to Will Osprey and he's grateful and he moves very, very fast around the ring and his offense when he's laying it in looks really, really compelling.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So he's got a lot of stuff going for him and I think the, I think the, I think companies behind him.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It seems like, and I hope they are because I think the guy is as talented and newcomers they've had in quite a while, especially as a foreign talent, I mean, just really great.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And Jeremy Orr has a quick question, or he said, though at the sale, he asked, it was like when TBS took over JCP, again, not apples to apples, I'll explain, how well do they know wrestling?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Again, I'm sorry.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, don't apologize.

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[SPEAKER_00]: How well does TBS have he know wrestling?

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[SPEAKER_00]: The second is,

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[SPEAKER_00]: We don't know, but as far as their experience with wrestling, they have been a television partner of New Japan for a very long time.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They have broadcast their shows.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They have broadcast live specials with New Japan pro wrestling.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So they are familiar with pro wrestling.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's been a part of their lineup for years and years and years and they like it enough that they put wrestle Kingdom on as a live special and they're putting dominion up as a live special.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So we find that to be encouraging.

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[SPEAKER_00]: How is it like this?

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[SPEAKER_00]: How is it like JCP?

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[SPEAKER_00]: What I met was more like a television partner having a vested interest in the wrestling company that's on their channel.

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[SPEAKER_00]: What Jim Crocker promotions went broke accidentally.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They didn't know they were.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They found out they were when they were trying to see what the books were like to perhaps

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[SPEAKER_00]: buy another plane I think it was or something like that and then they went through everything and found out they were by $2 million debt because they were basically a mom and pop operation.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Jim Cracker promotions ran the second biggest pro wrestling company in America out of a converted gas station.

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[SPEAKER_00]: it was it was a family business that grew nationwide and they weren't prepared for it and what I meant by the comparison is TBS didn't want to lose one of their highest rated shows or their highest rated shows so they just bought the company rather than let the company go out of business or go bankrupt.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's not what's happening here.

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[SPEAKER_00]: A bushy road is going bankrupt.

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[SPEAKER_00]: New Japan is going bankrupt.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They're struggling, but it's not to that point.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But TV is saw he saw value in taking in the wrestling company that has provided programming for their channel for a long time.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And maybe looking at bushy road and just thinking, yeah, we can do better than that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: As for the cyboration part of it, they're very familiar with pro wrestling.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They own three pro wrestling companies, while New Japan is going to be under a different part of it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Cyboration is heavily involved in the pro wrestling scene in Japan with DDT, TJPW, and Noah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And yeah, Ray Ray says, I figured you all will be talking about this.

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[SPEAKER_00]: At some point, I'm just curious to what all this means long term for starting.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I got to think that from the start and perspective, they're probably not too upset about it either.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think it's a new beginning for both.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There was some forced cooperation that felt very forced.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think startup feels like they were the chosen ones in this.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And like, oh, we're going to, we're going to keep us.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And Bushy Road, frankly, has done a bit of a, except for some screw ups from the higher ups where they had that embarrassment at the, the product launch, where they had the cosmic angels in there in the guy ended up making some sleazy comments about them.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I didn't think you were going to see girls and bathing suits here.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Did I dig it?

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[SPEAKER_00]: There's some octogenarian dipshit.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But,

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[SPEAKER_00]: Aside from some missteps there, they've done a pretty good job with Stardom, and especially staying out of Stardom's way as it has caught fire.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, it looks like good days are still to come for Stardom.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They just got her time at Tommy Hayeshista back.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And she confronted Saia Kamatani, which could be the biggest story line of the year for Stardom this year.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Along with Karara holding the red belt and trying to make her way through the labyrinth of great wrestlers that they have.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So they have a great roster.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Now they have a super hot,

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[SPEAKER_00]: program on top with utami versus sia that everybody's into.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They're in good shape and they're with a company that has chosen that of the two.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think if you start, I'm Jeremy, you're probably feeling pretty good about yourselves also.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you know, I will say I think that again, that analysis is pretty spot on and Ray Wright,

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[SPEAKER_01]: The thing that I would say is that starting in itself as an operation is inexpensive in the grand scheme of things, you know, less expensive than New Japan, but they were, you know, making a profit because the overhead.

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[SPEAKER_01]: was less.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Just because Newspand is gone, hey buddy.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And Bushy Road is focused on started now.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't expect them to suddenly pour in more resources and money into the product just because it's the only one they have left.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think they like it as is and they're going to keep it going as is.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I would not expect any additional resources because Bushy Road is in this restructuring

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[SPEAKER_01]: They're not lead in and heavily in the startup, they just want it to make money for them.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and that's probably good news for startup because it really just hands off while the company's hot, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: That sounds pretty good about hands off while the company's hot.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, so any other questions, feel free to come in since it's a special week with the with the company being sold.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So we will bounce back to that topic if you have further questions.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But we mentioned some of the stuff in the A block there.

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[SPEAKER_01]: There was, yeah, I had a couple

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[SPEAKER_01]: So you mentioned master water being a strong contender.

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[SPEAKER_01]: There are three people that kind of look at strong contenders to me at this point.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, the stack is a stack block.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, absolutely stack.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But if you're fifting through this, there are three names.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Master water, they're associated with you.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And they're for Chescocura.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Akira has eight points, but here's the interesting then.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Junkeshile also has eight points, but they only have two matches left where everyone else has three.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So there's a bit of a skewed perspective there and thinking, oh, Akira has three opportunities to get, you know, to 14.

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[SPEAKER_01]: No, he can only get to 12 if at all 12.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He would like the magic number here.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Master Wano has eight with three matches left.

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[SPEAKER_01]: If he get to 12, he's in because I believe he's got typewriters over both Fujita and Akira.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So he would win and get in and be the top guy.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He's gotten the guy, he's got Wayne and he's got June Cassai.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The reality is that kind of think that it's going to come down to the last night for him.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And that is Nick Wayne, that could go either way for him.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Kochi Fuji just got three more people and his last opponent is Daky Negai.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So for him to win and not get in on his last Negai, me and Kochi Fuji doesn't make a whole lot of sense.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He's got a Kira on the night before.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So that one is kind of a low key winning get in kind of thing because

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[SPEAKER_01]: Water, or water needs it, well, and food needs it, well, but one of these guys is not going to hit 12.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and the other one worth mentioning, and especially when you look at the line up for the final night of block action is Teton, Teton always was five and oh he has ten points he leads the block right now now we think all that's going to tighten up because that's the way new Japan does things his final day opponent is Francesco Akira and that has the feeling of a win for a day before a hundred what's up who.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Fuji.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, see.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Only two can go right if you were to lose those to both of those guys is still get well if you will get squeezed out of my type.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's tough break, but yeah, it's all going to come down to Tybreakers.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There's no question about that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The A-Block is one, the action has been terrific.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And the standings are very, very tight.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's mentioned Robbie X and T-Ton, by the way, Kyoto, I mentioned that one, Nick Wayne and June Cassai.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That was a good match.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Those two are worth going back and checking out.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So, thank you, you like a good hardcore match.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Or you like Francisco Akira getting aggressive, which he has done more and more.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Now, my cup of tea, but if you like it, you should check that one out.

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[SPEAKER_00]: All right, well, should we check out the B-block?

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[SPEAKER_01]: I guess we can go B-block now.

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[SPEAKER_00]: All right, so in the B block we have a little tighter no one's on 10 points in the B block.

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[SPEAKER_00]: By the way, no one's quite picked up all 10 no one went five and oh, but there are some familiar names in contention.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, everybody's in contention.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think anyone's been mathematically eliminated yet.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I have to double check that, but I think I think everyone is alive still because no one's hit 10 and everyone could hit 10.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Desperado and show are leading right now with eight points.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then there is this whole group of guys on six points.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yo, Taijiishi Mori, Robbie Eagles, Yoshinobukana Morrow, Dice Kaisasaki.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They are on six.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Koshita, Heo, and Jacob Boston, young are on four.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't expect Koshita, Heo, or young to make up a whole lot of ground.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They might play a little bit of a spoiler, but I don't think any of them are going to be making a late rally from behind.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think it's going to come from the guys on eight and on six just on my my thought there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And as far as the matches go this week.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Not great, they had a show on the 23rd.

01:00:00.007 --> 01:00:03.574
[SPEAKER_00]: Eagles and yo in the main event was a pretty good match.

01:00:03.794 --> 01:00:10.126
[SPEAKER_00]: Robby, of course, this is what we suspected is starting to make his way back up the standings after a rough start.

01:00:11.022 --> 01:00:12.843
[SPEAKER_00]: Uh, they were telling this.

01:00:12.903 --> 01:00:18.107
[SPEAKER_01]: There was a match on the 23rd that made me laugh immensely.

01:00:18.607 --> 01:00:34.239
[SPEAKER_01]: It's worth Taigi Shimori for his cannabar and they spent all this time in this match explaining that Taigi Shimori is only one one match against Yoshino Buketamaro in 15

01:00:39.694 --> 01:00:43.900
[SPEAKER_01]: I thought this was wild and then they had a nothing match or would shade you she more dependent with a get-a-quick.

01:00:45.022 --> 01:00:45.242
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

01:00:46.063 --> 01:00:53.053
[SPEAKER_01]: It did seem like a lot of storyline for not a lot of- Well, we're going to-we're just going to get rid of this story right now.

01:00:53.173 --> 01:00:53.614
[SPEAKER_01]: This is silly.

01:00:54.443 --> 01:01:17.343
[SPEAKER_00]: there's there's a phrase here in Texas and something is all hat no cattle meaning they are putting on a big front but there's not a lot of substance this that whole story was hat no cattle all hat no cattle there was there was there was no beef in there nothing to grab hold up they just kind of did a and dice case sake and Jacob lost in young should never wrestling each other again

01:01:18.942 --> 01:01:22.923
[SPEAKER_01]: I remember, I, I, I want to watch that match in the finish, uh, Jacob off the guy.

01:01:22.943 --> 01:01:24.083
[SPEAKER_01]: I think he hit him with the chair.

01:01:24.103 --> 01:01:27.664
[SPEAKER_01]: Uh, I have to throw the chair out of the ring and he doesn't clear it.

01:01:27.964 --> 01:01:33.325
[SPEAKER_01]: And so he's crawling definitely to push the chair out of the way just before the referee turns back around.

01:01:33.345 --> 01:01:36.166
[SPEAKER_01]: It's like, you, so close.

01:01:36.586 --> 01:01:40.187
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, you, you almost, portal doom of your career, right?

01:01:42.012 --> 01:01:47.173
[SPEAKER_01]: Uh, I, the Jake most young match is fine, but this is what we're talking about every match.

01:01:47.293 --> 01:01:52.054
[SPEAKER_01]: It's saying Jay getting involved and you help him out every match with Kushita.

01:01:52.174 --> 01:01:54.674
[SPEAKER_01]: It's like you said, he was going to go barefoot.

01:01:54.734 --> 01:01:57.075
[SPEAKER_01]: And now we have the mandible claw, you know.

01:01:57.115 --> 01:01:59.915
[SPEAKER_01]: Like June, because I've got the skewers in every match.

01:01:59.935 --> 01:02:00.575
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, every day.

01:02:00.655 --> 01:02:02.536
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, so stock here to bring it out the chair.

01:02:02.656 --> 01:02:05.956
[SPEAKER_01]: It's, it call chalk is the same stuff over and over again.

01:02:05.996 --> 01:02:08.757
[SPEAKER_01]: And a couple of who's gimmick is more powerful.

01:02:09.435 --> 01:02:21.740
[SPEAKER_00]: and poor walker has to try to sell that stupid sock thing because she is doing where it's like oh the smell must be terrible and and what walker's trying not to say is that no it couldn't because you know what these guys aren't working hard enough to sweat

01:02:23.470 --> 01:02:27.053
[SPEAKER_00]: They're just so freaking lazy in these matches that it's just like they're not they're not sweating.

01:02:27.253 --> 01:02:29.715
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know here.

01:02:29.875 --> 01:02:34.479
[SPEAKER_00]: It's his job of trying to put that story over and he's he's doing the best he can but good Lord.

01:02:35.279 --> 01:02:41.284
[SPEAKER_01]: They're not using a couple of the the pre block matches and I'm like, you know what now I'm good.

01:02:41.364 --> 01:02:44.587
[SPEAKER_01]: I've got a lot of my plate to click.

01:02:44.747 --> 01:02:46.649
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and again, it's just the thing like.

01:02:48.290 --> 01:02:50.712
[SPEAKER_00]: You mentioned that doing the same thing over and over again every night.

01:02:52.267 --> 01:02:57.850
[SPEAKER_00]: Even consecutively, I believe that, yes, there were two matches in a row with low blow finishes in a row.

01:02:59.051 --> 01:03:05.715
[SPEAKER_00]: Move them around a little bit, stop to match with four out of nine submission finishes.

01:03:07.216 --> 01:03:10.398
[SPEAKER_00]: Guys, try to put a little bit of effort in here.

01:03:10.858 --> 01:03:16.842
[SPEAKER_00]: It's not just the laziness and the matches, which you certainly get in the tags, the preview tags are just laziness.

01:03:17.662 --> 01:03:19.463
[SPEAKER_00]: uh just people just sleepwalking through things.

01:03:20.184 --> 01:03:27.648
[SPEAKER_00]: The tournament matches I think most of the guys are trying, but there are certain people in the B block that are limited.

01:03:27.668 --> 01:03:29.909
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, they're their best matches only going to be so good.

01:03:30.470 --> 01:03:32.491
[SPEAKER_00]: And it just makes for a fight.

01:03:32.511 --> 01:03:33.491
[SPEAKER_01]: I brought the freck girl though.

01:03:33.552 --> 01:03:34.132
[SPEAKER_01]: I will clear that.

01:03:34.532 --> 01:03:35.072
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, he's been good.

01:03:35.152 --> 01:03:36.013
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, car, he B block.

01:03:37.340 --> 01:03:53.749
[SPEAKER_01]: No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no

01:04:06.953 --> 01:04:08.277
[SPEAKER_01]: but they weren't tried.

01:04:08.959 --> 01:04:12.509
[SPEAKER_00]: There was a reversal of a bloody cross that Robbie Eagles pulled off.

01:04:13.666 --> 01:04:22.872
[SPEAKER_00]: where he went up for the bloody cross and then got out of it, not only getting out of it, he ended up landing on Ishimori's leg intentionally.

01:04:22.892 --> 01:04:24.273
[SPEAKER_00]: That was the work.

01:04:24.353 --> 01:04:30.758
[SPEAKER_00]: Landing on Ishimori's leg and then trans, uh, and then, right into the Ron Miller special.

01:04:30.838 --> 01:04:31.558
[SPEAKER_01]: It was beautiful.

01:04:31.899 --> 01:04:32.439
[SPEAKER_00]: Nicely done.

01:04:32.879 --> 01:04:33.380
[SPEAKER_01]: It was beautiful.

01:04:33.580 --> 01:04:37.663
[SPEAKER_00]: Very, some rare innovation on what's otherwise been a pretty

01:04:40.460 --> 01:04:41.441
[SPEAKER_00]: tournament creatively.

01:04:41.841 --> 01:04:44.662
[SPEAKER_00]: People aren't really working too hard to come up with finishes, but he would he did?

01:04:45.443 --> 01:04:52.546
[SPEAKER_01]: I think the match I started checking out was actually on the 27th with a heal versus show.

01:04:53.467 --> 01:05:01.811
[SPEAKER_01]: And that was the match where it started to heal, sparking show with a cat in nine tails, because he is, you know, all cat themed.

01:05:02.231 --> 01:05:05.473
[SPEAKER_01]: And then show pulmonary heals arm in kind of pet crate.

01:05:06.455 --> 01:05:32.009
[SPEAKER_01]: uh and then they finally and they're all having on the outside and then they finally uh make it back to the ring and they basically just spend the entire match with heo's arm going to give you a special and then they bring out the rent which is shows version of his prop for this tournament he loses it and when he'll try to use it show crotch of them and then locked in the crosshair so just well that was not like okay that was so much stuff happened

01:05:34.464 --> 01:05:35.145
[SPEAKER_00]: Not only that.

01:05:35.225 --> 01:05:37.989
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, but yes, and rather let's do the improvement.

01:05:38.009 --> 01:05:40.653
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, and all of what you said is correct.

01:05:41.154 --> 01:05:49.325
[SPEAKER_00]: The worst part about that match is somehow he'll bump the referee by clapping the air to feet in front of his face.

01:05:50.053 --> 01:06:01.901
[SPEAKER_00]: And it also has that actual work with the incredible Hulk does it, but he's not the incredible, but it's not even that he's trying to make it look like he's hitting them and he's not, it's not a work slap.

01:06:02.041 --> 01:06:11.327
[SPEAKER_00]: The, the, the, the, yeah, he's, he claps the air of foot in front of the guy's face and both show and can't to Sato had to bump for it like I.

01:06:12.520 --> 01:06:20.824
[SPEAKER_01]: I think one could I thought he slapped him in the face and then like he didn't touch him and then I want you to get it like you did touch him and he did it to both guys.

01:06:20.864 --> 01:06:26.187
[SPEAKER_00]: He did it to Sato and he did it to show and I just thought you know dragons gate you can you can keep this guy.

01:06:26.467 --> 01:06:26.807
[SPEAKER_01]: We're good.

01:06:26.987 --> 01:06:27.268
[SPEAKER_00]: Thank you.

01:06:27.928 --> 01:06:28.248
[SPEAKER_00]: That's all.

01:06:28.388 --> 01:06:30.970
[SPEAKER_00]: You can take a soft animal and go back to the dragon's gate.

01:06:31.030 --> 01:06:31.650
[SPEAKER_00]: I think we're good.

01:06:32.150 --> 01:06:33.071
[SPEAKER_01]: He can go heal.

01:06:35.274 --> 01:06:39.235
[SPEAKER_00]: I'd rather see dragon diving in this shed and this is rough to watch.

01:06:39.455 --> 01:06:42.016
[SPEAKER_00]: Sorry, mom, but there's a roof on.

01:06:42.676 --> 01:06:43.496
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that's a good.

01:06:44.156 --> 01:06:48.317
[SPEAKER_00]: But attendance by the way, it's been fine about what it has been.

01:06:48.617 --> 01:06:51.638
[SPEAKER_00]: And for super juniors that there are a couple of places.

01:06:51.998 --> 01:06:57.139
[SPEAKER_00]: There is no Apple Stapples comparison because they didn't go to these towns in the same place last year, but.

01:06:57.799 --> 01:07:05.783
[SPEAKER_00]: When they did, when they have gone to the same town during best of Super Junior's couple years in a row, attendance is about, about the same.

01:07:06.383 --> 01:07:07.704
[SPEAKER_00]: So that's one thing that's held steady.

01:07:08.024 --> 01:07:13.286
[SPEAKER_00]: When everything else is falling off the cliff, at least this one's been steady.

01:07:13.346 --> 01:07:16.948
[SPEAKER_00]: Super Junior's at least bringing out about the same number of people as before.

01:07:17.008 --> 01:07:17.388
[SPEAKER_00]: That's good.

01:07:18.389 --> 01:07:19.209
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, take a look at it.

01:07:20.110 --> 01:07:25.312
[SPEAKER_01]: So with the B-block, have you changed any of your predictions on who do you think is making forward at this point?

01:07:25.977 --> 01:07:38.469
[SPEAKER_00]: No, I think it'll probably be the, I think this one's chalk, you know, that it's, I think Desperado, I think show will be involved on the last day, but in the end, I can see, I, who do I have out there?

01:07:38.609 --> 01:07:41.592
[SPEAKER_00]: I can see Desperado still being involved in that.

01:07:41.712 --> 01:07:46.436
[SPEAKER_01]: I can see Susan Joe has Taiji Shimori left on the 30th.

01:07:46.456 --> 01:07:47.377
[SPEAKER_01]: He got, uh,

01:07:49.790 --> 01:07:57.137
[SPEAKER_01]: Dice Gates's hockey on the on the second and he's got a shake of oxygen on the last night.

01:07:57.698 --> 01:08:02.082
[SPEAKER_01]: And I and we're talking about one guy cheating to win between the two.

01:08:02.182 --> 01:08:08.168
[SPEAKER_01]: I think Jacob asked a young a lot or before show he was a cheating match to show.

01:08:09.058 --> 01:08:26.579
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so, you know, and I think probably be at least some house torture presentation in there, but I think this pay is always a, the, the dark horse there would be Robbie Eagles to do the all the way back come back type of thing, but, you know, it's a possibility of a dark horse as well.

01:08:26.599 --> 01:08:27.259
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

01:08:27.279 --> 01:08:27.460
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

01:08:27.800 --> 01:08:28.040
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

01:08:28.861 --> 01:08:32.603
[SPEAKER_01]: There are the case here where, you know, Desperado can't borrow the last night.

01:08:32.683 --> 01:08:34.684
[SPEAKER_01]: He's got yo on that second to last night.

01:08:34.844 --> 01:08:37.906
[SPEAKER_01]: He's got Kushida next.

01:08:37.926 --> 01:08:41.728
[SPEAKER_01]: So for him, like Desperado and yo.

01:08:42.787 --> 01:09:00.763
[SPEAKER_01]: I can see yo actually winning that match against Desperado, so you would go in to the last night with 10 and have to get 12 points, meanwhile yo would also have 10 going into the last night with Dyskisaki and a bunch of these guys can end up with 10, but it just needs to be the two guys that end up with 12.

01:09:03.365 --> 01:09:06.147
[SPEAKER_00]: Let's take a look at what's coming up ahead this week.

01:09:06.167 --> 01:09:21.676
[SPEAKER_00]: So before we just go one last thing, recommended matches in Kyoto, Teton versus Robbie X, by the way, to Gucci and Fujida had a side-back going in their match, which Fujida won, the loser has to wear his hair in a middle part for the rest of the week.

01:09:21.976 --> 01:09:24.778
[SPEAKER_00]: For 69 days, walk a walk, see what they did there.

01:09:25.218 --> 01:09:27.500
[SPEAKER_00]: And of course, that's considered very humiliating.

01:09:27.520 --> 01:09:30.922
[SPEAKER_00]: It's kind of a dorky looking haircut for Japan.

01:09:33.183 --> 01:09:33.483
[SPEAKER_00]: Did you?

01:09:33.563 --> 01:09:36.927
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but I wasn't Japanese.

01:09:37.087 --> 01:09:43.192
[SPEAKER_00]: In Japan, it's kind of associated with the nerd characters in the manga's desks.

01:09:43.272 --> 01:09:45.735
[SPEAKER_01]: Paul Fontaine said he didn't really understand.

01:09:46.075 --> 01:09:48.497
[SPEAKER_01]: I explained it to him and he's like, yes, don't understand.

01:09:48.617 --> 01:09:52.421
[SPEAKER_01]: It's like, click the, click an infantile version of a head shaving match.

01:09:52.821 --> 01:09:54.102
[SPEAKER_01]: You know what I mean?

01:09:54.182 --> 01:09:57.946
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, it's basically a shave your head match except now you've got a

01:09:59.428 --> 01:10:00.129
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

01:10:00.149 --> 01:10:07.156
[SPEAKER_00]: Shaving your head, it means a lot more in Japanese culture, but so having an unflattering haircut is just kind of irritating.

01:10:07.537 --> 01:10:07.677
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

01:10:08.598 --> 01:10:11.121
[SPEAKER_00]: And, uh, Foodshedon, watch what I mentioned from Osaka was very good.

01:10:11.181 --> 01:10:13.163
[SPEAKER_00]: Robbie, ex-junice, I had some moments there too.

01:10:13.183 --> 01:10:14.825
[SPEAKER_00]: Francesco, Kara, did a decent job.

01:10:14.865 --> 01:10:16.607
[SPEAKER_00]: By the way, one other thing.

01:10:17.733 --> 01:10:26.737
[SPEAKER_00]: We have praised many times for very good reason, New Japan's production, the how they will use the ropes to censor something that re-escape to Gucci does.

01:10:27.357 --> 01:10:30.979
[SPEAKER_00]: We've mentioned how they frame their stuff very, very well.

01:10:31.139 --> 01:10:40.823
[SPEAKER_00]: I will always remember the final three-count when Godo defeated Zack Saber Jr. that shot of the camera shooting under the middle rope across the ring framing

01:10:41.383 --> 01:10:45.027
[SPEAKER_00]: the pinfall, red shoes, not blocking the pinfall at all.

01:10:45.668 --> 01:10:54.779
[SPEAKER_00]: And Yoshihashi and Goro's corner behind him celebrating the moment that was a beautiful piece of pro wrestling cinema with the crowd backlit, great, fantastic.

01:10:56.041 --> 01:10:57.983
[SPEAKER_00]: Stop zooming in on Blade Jobs, guys.

01:10:58.868 --> 01:10:59.308
[SPEAKER_00]: Not at all.

01:10:59.789 --> 01:11:00.409
[SPEAKER_00]: Wide shots.

01:11:00.749 --> 01:11:18.842
[SPEAKER_00]: Wide shots because when June, because I had the fork, they go right in in profile or go behind the guy that's bleeding or something, but they practically zoomed in on the piece of metal in Francesco Akira's hand as he was giving his own forehead during that spot right there.

01:11:18.862 --> 01:11:22.644
[SPEAKER_00]: And I just like guys, I know people don't blade new Japan much, thankfully.

01:11:23.005 --> 01:11:24.626
[SPEAKER_00]: But if you're going to do it, wide shots.

01:11:25.166 --> 01:11:48.000
[SPEAKER_00]: why shots we don't we don't need to zoom in to make sure we get it and that's they're kind of over to on that you remember how they got cussai blading up a fugitive pretty blatantly and then they practically framed the the blade itself on french escrow care so guys just remember to keep that in mind blade jobs we don't need to see it yeah

01:11:49.861 --> 01:11:53.422
[SPEAKER_01]: D, which one, the food should have played job.

01:11:53.542 --> 01:11:54.263
[SPEAKER_01]: That was the one.

01:11:57.164 --> 01:12:08.908
[SPEAKER_01]: Being outside, and basically watching Junka's eye, literally cut a pet open, and the wrap watching it too, like, all right, well, I guess this is where we're at now.

01:12:11.838 --> 01:12:15.959
[SPEAKER_00]: and we are going to finish up block play this week.

01:12:16.000 --> 01:12:17.820
[SPEAKER_00]: So Friday, May 29th and Negata.

01:12:18.320 --> 01:12:21.502
[SPEAKER_00]: That is an A block night with one B block match.

01:12:21.542 --> 01:12:22.582
[SPEAKER_00]: Keo and kind of Maro.

01:12:23.102 --> 01:12:31.886
[SPEAKER_00]: The main events are Fuchsia versus Valiente and Nick Wayne versus T-Ton, which has the potential to be pretty good.

01:12:33.207 --> 01:12:36.268
[SPEAKER_00]: Saturday, May 30th and Toyama, B block.

01:12:37.362 --> 01:12:40.704
[SPEAKER_00]: Desperate over Saskoshita and issue more versus show.

01:12:40.724 --> 01:12:44.006
[SPEAKER_00]: Eh, you know, that one's gonna be a rough night.

01:12:44.507 --> 01:12:49.390
[SPEAKER_00]: That one is just, I don't see a whole lot of good coming to that Jeremy, if those two.

01:12:49.410 --> 01:12:50.390
[SPEAKER_01]: Rippin' it off night.

01:12:51.051 --> 01:12:52.412
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, let's just get it over with.

01:12:53.392 --> 01:12:56.974
[SPEAKER_00]: Tuesday, June 2nd and Wednesday, June 3rd, we're back in cortical and hall.

01:12:57.175 --> 01:13:00.357
[SPEAKER_00]: The other key that I think will help all tournament matches.

01:13:00.617 --> 01:13:03.379
[SPEAKER_00]: So no sleepwalking preview decks.

01:13:04.459 --> 01:13:16.067
[SPEAKER_00]: And on June 2nd, that's Tuesday, Desparado vs. Yo, which will probably be a key match to set up the third Tea time vs. Fujida, is that going to be a big win for Jose when he needs one?

01:13:16.768 --> 01:13:21.371
[SPEAKER_00]: And Watto vs. June Kessai can the Watto rally continue.

01:13:22.132 --> 01:13:26.475
[SPEAKER_01]: And then by the time we're here next week, we'll have Blockplay done.

01:13:27.031 --> 01:13:35.995
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, Wednesday, June 3rd at Corkoen is the final night of block play, and that will be tournament matches the order has not been announced.

01:13:36.795 --> 01:13:41.257
[SPEAKER_00]: They do know Tuesday the second, but they have not announced the order for June 3rd.

01:13:41.958 --> 01:13:44.899
[SPEAKER_01]: The tournament shows that we do come by so fast.

01:13:45.359 --> 01:13:45.679
[SPEAKER_00]: They do.

01:13:46.560 --> 01:13:48.141
[SPEAKER_00]: And here are the key ones.

01:13:48.201 --> 01:13:54.203
[SPEAKER_00]: Again, the order is not determined, but these are the four matches that I noticed that could have some significance here.

01:13:54.223 --> 01:13:55.244
[SPEAKER_00]: Teton and Akira.

01:13:56.228 --> 01:14:15.693
[SPEAKER_00]: Watchovers is Nick Wayne, uh, interestingly enough, uh, to Gucci versus June, Kassai, that to me, Jeremy, if Kassai is in playoff position, if anyone is going to come up with something goofy to suddenly pin the death match guy, it's to Gucci, right, uh, um, and then death broke over.

01:14:15.713 --> 01:14:18.514
[SPEAKER_01]: I think, uh, I think I think, I think,

01:14:23.725 --> 01:14:29.049
[SPEAKER_01]: to Gucci is probably gonna be guys last win until we end up with our own 10.

01:14:29.069 --> 01:14:34.972
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know, I'm curious to see how that goes because I don't see to Gucci getting bloody up.

01:14:35.393 --> 01:14:36.714
[SPEAKER_00]: I just don't see them doing that.

01:14:37.614 --> 01:14:38.114
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, fine.

01:14:38.535 --> 01:14:39.295
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah.

01:14:39.435 --> 01:14:42.497
[SPEAKER_01]: I could see to Gucci just getting a quick roll up on them on the last date.

01:14:42.898 --> 01:14:49.282
[SPEAKER_01]: That's what I mean, just like just get sneak one up on him and then everyone's like, yeah, that's good, man.

01:14:50.521 --> 01:14:51.482
[SPEAKER_00]: off running with his record.

01:14:51.502 --> 01:14:52.222
[SPEAKER_00]: He's got the record.

01:14:52.443 --> 01:14:52.723
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

01:14:52.803 --> 01:14:53.263
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

01:14:53.443 --> 01:14:54.684
[SPEAKER_00]: So that would get us to the playoffs.

01:14:54.704 --> 01:15:02.290
[SPEAKER_00]: And then when we come back next Thursday, we'll be talking about the semi finals in the finals, which will be going on the weekend after our next show.

01:15:02.650 --> 01:15:06.333
[SPEAKER_01]: So also, um, you have your, uh, tiger mask.

01:15:07.062 --> 01:15:09.245
[SPEAKER_00]: I have a little bit more on the career tiger mask yet.

01:15:09.265 --> 01:15:12.369
[SPEAKER_00]: So we're going to finish up with some thoughts on tiger mask for us.

01:15:12.389 --> 01:15:19.458
[SPEAKER_01]: He heads toward his retirement from the coming step away for just a second because this little guy has decided to bother me for the last 35 minutes.

01:15:19.959 --> 01:15:22.262
[SPEAKER_01]: And so you get started and I'll join you in just a moment.

01:15:22.729 --> 01:15:25.630
[SPEAKER_00]: All right, Jeremy's dog is where he can have it go over there.

01:15:25.650 --> 01:15:26.570
[SPEAKER_00]: We'll just keep going.

01:15:26.630 --> 01:15:30.811
[SPEAKER_00]: So I mentioned the Tiger Mass joined New Japan full time in 2002.

01:15:30.871 --> 01:15:35.552
[SPEAKER_00]: That was after he had spent most of his career at that point in Mitchenoku pro wrestling.

01:15:35.652 --> 01:15:41.874
[SPEAKER_00]: And one of their bigger stars at the time, along with guys like Great Sasuke and Takamishenoku.

01:15:41.894 --> 01:15:43.654
[SPEAKER_00]: For instance, Diktogo was over there too.

01:15:43.674 --> 01:15:45.775
[SPEAKER_00]: There were a lot of good talent in Mitchenoku pro.

01:15:47.815 --> 01:16:00.819
[SPEAKER_00]: When he first came to New Japan, he also worked some with Michanoke O'Pro and for a year's, he would go back in a main event capacity to Michanoke O'Pro for shows mostly as a tag team partner for a major start.

01:16:00.859 --> 01:16:05.560
[SPEAKER_00]: So, you know, for this big match, we're going to bring back to your mask and he's going to team with me type of thing as an attraction.

01:16:06.368 --> 01:16:09.650
[SPEAKER_00]: In New Japan, he teamed a lot with the Dutch and Thunder Lager very early.

01:16:09.690 --> 01:16:14.272
[SPEAKER_00]: So he was quickly put in with the top baby faces in the company.

01:16:14.972 --> 01:16:19.655
[SPEAKER_00]: He was also both with and against Al Samurai, one of the legends of that era.

01:16:20.255 --> 01:16:26.758
[SPEAKER_00]: So he was in with some of the better known guys, a frequent opponent for his initial run was Geto and Jado.

01:16:27.178 --> 01:16:29.740
[SPEAKER_00]: So they were on the heel side of a lot of that.

01:16:30.320 --> 01:16:33.001
[SPEAKER_00]: He entered his first best of the super juniors that year in 2002.

01:16:34.322 --> 01:16:41.124
[SPEAKER_00]: Now, we finished tied for second in the block, but that would be with what would we would call six points now.

01:16:41.265 --> 01:16:42.285
[SPEAKER_00]: It was only three points then.

01:16:42.325 --> 01:16:45.746
[SPEAKER_00]: You only got one point for a win and nothing for anything else.

01:16:46.126 --> 01:16:49.548
[SPEAKER_00]: But basically the entire block, either finished with,

01:16:51.200 --> 01:16:54.501
[SPEAKER_00]: with four wins or three wins, I think it was one guy with with you or that.

01:16:54.521 --> 01:17:01.243
[SPEAKER_00]: So he was in the big mess of people, but uh finished tied for second technically, but so did almost everybody in the block.

01:17:01.263 --> 01:17:02.203
[SPEAKER_00]: Was he the first or second?

01:17:03.064 --> 01:17:06.445
[SPEAKER_00]: Monor, Tonaka and El Samurai had eight in the block right there.

01:17:06.745 --> 01:17:17.728
[SPEAKER_00]: And he was still build that the time is a mission noca pro wrestling guy, although he was resting less and less for them, but in his very first best of the super juniors, he was build as a guest from mission noca pro wrestling.

01:17:19.546 --> 01:17:36.053
[SPEAKER_00]: And in April 23rd of 2003, so he wrestles the rest of the year for New Japan, and going back to Missionoke a Pro Occasionally, being in the mix with some of the top guys in New Japan, and in April 23rd of 2003, he won his first junior heavyweight title.

01:17:36.093 --> 01:17:40.655
[SPEAKER_00]: He defeated Koji Kanemaro at the strong energy tour in Hiroshima.

01:17:41.215 --> 01:17:42.575
[SPEAKER_00]: And it was the semi-final match.

01:17:42.755 --> 01:17:45.857
[SPEAKER_00]: It was just underneath a Eugene Nagata title defense.

01:17:45.877 --> 01:17:48.178
[SPEAKER_00]: He defeated Tidal Yasuda in the main event.

01:17:49.058 --> 01:18:01.540
[SPEAKER_00]: semi-final junior heavyweight match he wins the title for the first time lower than that on the card by the way was Hiroshi Tanahashi beating Shinya now toki makabe for the under 30 title, same night.

01:18:02.501 --> 01:18:06.001
[SPEAKER_00]: It's a tiger mask winning was ahead of Tanahashi and makabe at the time.

01:18:07.602 --> 01:18:11.042
[SPEAKER_00]: As champion he had a much stronger best of the super junior than in 2002.

01:18:11.162 --> 01:18:12.443
[SPEAKER_00]: In 2003 then goes into

01:18:15.810 --> 01:18:19.975
[SPEAKER_00]: finished tide for first place in his block with legendary Koji Kanemoto.

01:18:20.675 --> 01:18:23.018
[SPEAKER_00]: He was the third tiger mask by the way.

01:18:23.558 --> 01:18:26.602
[SPEAKER_00]: Taguchi scored zero points that year as a young lion.

01:18:26.802 --> 01:18:28.324
[SPEAKER_00]: So that was Taguchi in the tournament.

01:18:28.344 --> 01:18:29.925
[SPEAKER_00]: So we've come full circle.

01:18:29.965 --> 01:18:36.432
[SPEAKER_00]: He lost to Kanemoto and Masahito Kakehara in that tournament, but won the rest of his matches.

01:18:37.362 --> 01:18:40.065
[SPEAKER_00]: The tie breakers kept them out of the playoffs.

01:18:40.165 --> 01:18:47.131
[SPEAKER_00]: So Kaki Hara ended up winning the tournament, but Tiger Mask won the subsequent title match and held onto the belt.

01:18:48.115 --> 01:18:50.976
[SPEAKER_00]: He held the title until it was vacated in September.

01:18:51.556 --> 01:18:57.278
[SPEAKER_00]: Now, I've seen some accounts say that he was injured, but his match listings don't really bear that out.

01:18:57.298 --> 01:18:58.438
[SPEAKER_00]: He didn't miss much time.

01:18:59.058 --> 01:19:00.559
[SPEAKER_00]: And it was vacated in September.

01:19:01.019 --> 01:19:07.001
[SPEAKER_00]: And then it was part of a battle royal at a Tokyo dome show called Ultimate Crush, too.

01:19:07.881 --> 01:19:09.661
[SPEAKER_00]: And he participated in that match.

01:19:09.801 --> 01:19:11.182
[SPEAKER_00]: So it looks like it was just a thing where

01:19:12.042 --> 01:19:20.052
[SPEAKER_00]: As a special attraction at this Tokyo Dom show, we're going to put the title up vacant, and then whoever wins the battle royal gets a title and that was Jado.

01:19:20.273 --> 01:19:21.734
[SPEAKER_00]: Jado ended up winning the battle royal.

01:19:22.976 --> 01:19:26.861
[SPEAKER_00]: That match, that show, by the way, that ultimate crush, too, was a bit of a mess.

01:19:27.722 --> 01:19:29.344
[SPEAKER_00]: That was a mix of

01:19:30.325 --> 01:19:50.184
[SPEAKER_00]: Pro Wrestling and Voletudo matches as part of that whole anokism thing where sometimes you're going to get some MMA, sometimes you get some pro wrestling and just to show you just how pro wrestling it could get on that same show along with real valetudo matches and a junior heavyweight battle royal, Hulk Hogan wrestled massive show no on that one.

01:19:50.464 --> 01:19:54.328
[SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, it was the whole it was the whole variety pack that night.

01:19:55.963 --> 01:20:16.493
[SPEAKER_00]: He teamed up with Manoru Tanaka as his partner for a lot of 2003, back when Manoru Tanaka was known as Heet, that's a different guy than Masada Tanaka, who was in Microsoft and tried to kill each other over and over again in ECW, if you remember those days, different Tanaka, but Manoru Tanaka and his ring name was Heet, and they were a regular tag team down the stretch.

01:20:17.413 --> 01:20:20.195
[SPEAKER_00]: remained a major part of the junior division even though he didn't have the title.

01:20:20.895 --> 01:20:27.900
[SPEAKER_00]: He entered Block B of the 2004 best of the super juniors and won the block with his only loss coming to the ultimo dragon.

01:20:29.360 --> 01:20:39.907
[SPEAKER_00]: In Block A, you had Lucien Lager, Kakihara, his rival for the junior heavyweight belt the previous year, and Brian Danielson, the American Dragon part of that tournament.

01:20:41.596 --> 01:20:48.682
[SPEAKER_00]: So winning the block move tiger into the semi's, where he beat heat his tag team partner, before pinning Kojikani Motto in the finals.

01:20:49.222 --> 01:20:52.425
[SPEAKER_00]: So he won the best of the Super Junior's 2004.

01:20:53.246 --> 01:20:56.488
[SPEAKER_00]: Kani Motto beat Danielson by the way in the semi's.

01:20:57.149 --> 01:20:58.570
[SPEAKER_00]: That was supposed to be Liger.

01:20:59.651 --> 01:21:05.015
[SPEAKER_00]: That instead of American Dragon, but Liger was hurt during the tournament and couldn't wrestle in the playoffs.

01:21:05.816 --> 01:21:10.600
[SPEAKER_00]: But that'll benefit Danielson, Danielson, got the spot in the semi's against Kani Motto.

01:21:12.055 --> 01:21:14.278
[SPEAKER_00]: So now he's the best of Super Junior winner.

01:21:14.678 --> 01:21:19.484
[SPEAKER_00]: He lost his title match to Heat on July 19th, though he will continue to be a top guy.

01:21:20.594 --> 01:21:23.317
[SPEAKER_00]: I had January 4th, 2005.

01:21:23.977 --> 01:21:31.044
[SPEAKER_00]: He came to wrestling world 2005 in the Tokyo Dom and he defeated heat to recapture that Junior Heavyweight belt.

01:21:31.645 --> 01:21:34.788
[SPEAKER_00]: So now, Junior, that's the Super Junior's winner.

01:21:34.988 --> 01:21:36.830
[SPEAKER_00]: He's won the title in the Tokyo Dom.

01:21:37.250 --> 01:21:39.773
[SPEAKER_00]: That show was based around the ultimate royal tournament.

01:21:39.793 --> 01:21:43.537
[SPEAKER_00]: We talked about this a little bit and we were going over the history of January 4th.

01:21:45.512 --> 01:21:56.599
[SPEAKER_00]: This was a mix of amateur wrestlers, MMA guys, and pro wrestlers in an eight-man tournament with the gimmick Jeremy that all the matches were in the ring happening at once.

01:21:58.761 --> 01:22:04.404
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, and that one was won by Ron Waterman over Eugene Negata.

01:22:04.865 --> 01:22:09.007
[SPEAKER_00]: And so you would win, you would wait for there to be four guys.

01:22:09.848 --> 01:22:10.889
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, it starts with eight.

01:22:11.369 --> 01:22:13.971
[SPEAKER_00]: So four matches happening in there at once.

01:22:15.019 --> 01:22:33.310
[SPEAKER_00]: wait until four guys won their matches then they would be paired off into the semi-finals and then finals so wait you'd win a match and then you'd just go fit in a chair on the outside and wait for like your turn to get started again eight basically yeah that's about it although they they conveniently all kind of finished up at about the same time but it all happened at once all happened at one time I don't know what that

01:22:34.023 --> 01:22:36.005
[SPEAKER_00]: this was a bomb.

01:22:36.486 --> 01:22:38.348
[SPEAKER_00]: Nobody liked this at all.

01:22:39.369 --> 01:22:42.232
[SPEAKER_00]: The last match though, they knew they couldn't end the night with that crap, right?

01:22:42.272 --> 01:22:44.574
[SPEAKER_00]: That was what was kind of build as the attraction.

01:22:44.614 --> 01:22:49.660
[SPEAKER_00]: But the last match was Shinsuke Nakamura beating Tana Hashie for the under 30 title.

01:22:49.680 --> 01:22:53.143
[SPEAKER_00]: So at least they knew that they couldn't send the fans home with that garbage.

01:22:54.085 --> 01:23:04.731
[SPEAKER_00]: Now, they announced a big crowd for that one, but from what Chris Charleston's egg show's book mentioned, the evidence says that there may have only been 8,500 paid for that turn.

01:23:05.011 --> 01:23:11.915
[SPEAKER_00]: Luckily, it was heavily heavily papered and exaggerated in the attendance department, but it looks like there were fewer than 9,000 paid for that one.

01:23:12.775 --> 01:23:28.109
[SPEAKER_00]: 2005 was a very dark year overall, Fujianami stepping down in 2004 and the company trying hard to find it's footing again and going through this anokiyism where you'd get goofy stuff like MMA matches in the middle or four MMA matches at once going, yeah.

01:23:28.965 --> 01:23:41.995
[SPEAKER_00]: May of 2005, he entered the best of the Super Junior and finished second in the B-block behind ghetto, and tied with Liger, but he had beaten Liger, so he got the nine to the semi-finals on the tiebreaker, where he beat Minor Chanaka.

01:23:42.495 --> 01:23:47.519
[SPEAKER_00]: Again, he, as I mentioned earlier, all the now he was just known as Minoru, he went through a lot of names in this career.

01:23:48.620 --> 01:24:06.132
[SPEAKER_00]: in the semi-finals, and then Pin Geto in the Finals, and Tiger Bask, our Tiger Bask became the first person to ever win back to back best of the Super Junior tournaments, and he would remain the only person to do so until Haromu Takahashi won three in a row from 2020 to 2022.

01:24:08.405 --> 01:24:13.606
[SPEAKER_00]: So at this point, Tiger Mask has won the IWGP Junior Heavyweight Title twice.

01:24:14.306 --> 01:24:20.588
[SPEAKER_00]: He's won two best of the super-geniors consecutively, including one as the champion.

01:24:20.748 --> 01:24:31.890
[SPEAKER_00]: So the one that's determined with the title, and is going through 2005 at the very top of the New Japan Junior Heavyweight Division, and while the heavyweights were all struggling with an

01:24:36.191 --> 01:24:56.269
[SPEAKER_00]: those fast-paced junior heavyweight matches with a still vibrant ligor, tiger mask, minoru, and El Samurai still being able to go sometimes those junior heavyweight matches were some of the bright spots on otherwise pretty dismal cards.

01:24:56.950 --> 01:24:58.651
[SPEAKER_00]: Tana Hashie was a very young wrestler.

01:24:59.492 --> 01:25:06.596
[SPEAKER_00]: Togi Makabe was still shinny and Makabe, a very young wrestler, Nakamura was around, but they weren't the stars they would become.

01:25:07.376 --> 01:25:12.779
[SPEAKER_00]: And sometimes that junior heavyweight division kept people watching during this period.

01:25:12.859 --> 01:25:14.440
[SPEAKER_00]: And Tiger Mask was a major part of that.

01:25:14.540 --> 01:25:24.245
[SPEAKER_00]: So again, heavyweight struggling, junior heavy weights, a major part, attendance falling off, but sometimes you just wanted to watch the juniors sound familiar.

01:25:24.823 --> 01:25:25.944
[SPEAKER_01]: Look, old is new again, buddy.

01:25:27.064 --> 01:25:27.784
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, exactly.

01:25:27.844 --> 01:25:32.226
[SPEAKER_00]: And so again, they had changed their president and that very long before this.

01:25:32.246 --> 01:25:36.068
[SPEAKER_00]: Time to how she's still relatively new in the job, although I guess he's a couple of years in now.

01:25:36.268 --> 01:25:39.690
[SPEAKER_00]: Now new owners, so like I said, everything old is new again.

01:25:39.710 --> 01:25:42.131
[SPEAKER_00]: We've kind of come full circle these 21 years.

01:25:42.251 --> 01:25:45.832
[SPEAKER_00]: And a lot of things are looking pretty familiar to 2005.

01:25:46.352 --> 01:25:51.975
[SPEAKER_00]: The good news is they pulled out of that era and had a couple of hot era's sense.

01:25:53.085 --> 01:26:00.628
[SPEAKER_00]: Hopefully, New Japan is on some kind of path someday to get back up there and recover.

01:26:01.329 --> 01:26:08.952
[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe this sale can be part of it, but there's a lot to do isn't there, but there's evidence in the past that it can be done.

01:26:09.942 --> 01:26:24.114
[SPEAKER_01]: The best way to put it is the Bouchy Road era has now ended right and I will say that I think the Bouchy Road era accomplish a lot of things and got a new Japan to a position where today their

01:26:26.912 --> 01:26:29.093
[SPEAKER_01]: alignment just doesn't fit anymore.

01:26:29.553 --> 01:26:37.056
[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm just closing it off with that is that, you know, there's nothing wrong with what Boucher Road did with New Japan fundamentally.

01:26:37.676 --> 01:26:46.119
[SPEAKER_01]: They built them up and then they just could not keep them going when the struggles of the economy and and all the other thing happened.

01:26:46.719 --> 01:26:48.420
[SPEAKER_01]: And it's okay that they pulled it off.

01:26:48.700 --> 01:26:52.521
[SPEAKER_01]: There's nothing wrong with just being like, you know what our work here has done.

01:26:52.982 --> 01:26:54.242
[SPEAKER_01]: We don't have a synergy here.

01:26:54.782 --> 01:26:56.163
[SPEAKER_01]: We're moving on and.

01:26:57.777 --> 01:26:58.700
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm okay with that.

01:26:59.242 --> 01:27:02.331
[SPEAKER_01]: I think that's a mature business, like, response could all of us do.

01:27:03.680 --> 01:27:09.401
[SPEAKER_00]: There's a classic thing that you hear a lot more than you used to now, but cautious optimism here.

01:27:09.741 --> 01:27:11.522
[SPEAKER_00]: That's kind of the way I feel about this.

01:27:11.862 --> 01:27:13.262
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think this is a bad thing.

01:27:13.362 --> 01:27:18.923
[SPEAKER_00]: I think this gives a couple of big, big company cyber agents bigger than Bushy Road was.

01:27:19.563 --> 01:27:22.084
[SPEAKER_00]: A real vested interest in making sure New Japan succeeds.

01:27:22.464 --> 01:27:24.704
[SPEAKER_00]: I think that this could end up being very healthy.

01:27:25.484 --> 01:27:27.805
[SPEAKER_00]: What do we need to keep an eye on after the sale?

01:27:28.925 --> 01:27:34.848
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, keep an eye on the streaming services because we have two different companies owning them each with a streaming service.

01:27:35.388 --> 01:27:36.548
[SPEAKER_00]: Are they going to combine them?

01:27:36.628 --> 01:27:37.529
[SPEAKER_00]: Are they going to look each other?

01:27:37.549 --> 01:27:39.430
[SPEAKER_00]: This is why are we running two of these exactly?

01:27:39.790 --> 01:27:41.070
[SPEAKER_00]: But again, there's separate companies.

01:27:41.090 --> 01:27:43.071
[SPEAKER_00]: They're just shareholders in New Japan.

01:27:43.612 --> 01:27:44.132
[SPEAKER_00]: It's weird.

01:27:44.652 --> 01:27:47.173
[SPEAKER_00]: And one shareholder owns a piece of the other shareholder.

01:27:47.233 --> 01:27:48.234
[SPEAKER_00]: It's strange.

01:27:48.854 --> 01:27:50.515
[SPEAKER_00]: But keep an eye for that.

01:27:51.635 --> 01:27:57.738
[SPEAKER_00]: As the risk of it goes, there's not a lot of evidence that these two companies want to interfere a whole lot.

01:27:58.496 --> 01:28:09.720
[SPEAKER_00]: So I would say just keep watching the same stuff as before in that we want to see with Bushy Road gone if they were truly hindering things.

01:28:10.140 --> 01:28:13.021
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, this is a God, this is a God.

01:28:13.181 --> 01:28:17.943
[SPEAKER_00]: Now you can't say the Bushy Road is going through messing up your plans anymore.

01:28:19.758 --> 01:28:29.322
[SPEAKER_00]: It's time to make hay here and get some things moving forward and make some stars in this company, which the company has done a disastrous job doing over the last couple of years.

01:28:29.402 --> 01:28:37.986
[SPEAKER_00]: But to me, Jeremy, those would be the things I don't anticipate them making big changes in the look of anything or even the feel of anything.

01:28:38.046 --> 01:28:41.087
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think TV is saw he is going to suddenly make this thing look.

01:28:42.310 --> 01:28:45.853
[SPEAKER_00]: bright colors and lighting and go and dig into the production.

01:28:45.893 --> 01:28:48.454
[SPEAKER_00]: I think they want New Japan to look like New Japan.

01:28:48.554 --> 01:28:57.540
[SPEAKER_00]: I think cyber wants New Japan to be New Japan and not turn into one of its other companies, but New Japan needs to do its part now.

01:28:57.721 --> 01:29:02.364
[SPEAKER_00]: They might have, might have less hands-on owners than before.

01:29:03.284 --> 01:29:04.385
[SPEAKER_00]: So now it's on.

01:29:05.726 --> 01:29:08.428
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm looking at the two things that I think that we would

01:29:09.208 --> 01:29:24.392
[SPEAKER_01]: See that it's not in a prep release announcement with the line mark on there is more aggressive booking and stronger finishes that make the talent stronger in a victory.

01:29:24.876 --> 01:29:26.676
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, there's a lot of parody booking right now.

01:29:26.716 --> 01:29:27.897
[SPEAKER_01]: There's a couple of things there.

01:29:28.277 --> 01:29:35.539
[SPEAKER_01]: If you start seeing finishes that just feel more definitive and you see guys being built without like a, you got to win here.

01:29:35.559 --> 01:29:36.039
[SPEAKER_01]: You got to win there.

01:29:36.059 --> 01:29:46.961
[SPEAKER_01]: And if you start seeing guys just winning, I think those are two signs that there have made have been a fundamental shift in the philosophy of how they're approaching the booking.

01:29:47.041 --> 01:29:49.202
[SPEAKER_01]: But it is still the same guys booking.

01:29:50.502 --> 01:29:53.643
[SPEAKER_00]: One last thought to before we get to another question here.

01:29:55.372 --> 01:29:56.933
[SPEAKER_00]: both these companies are bigger than Bushy Road.

01:29:57.533 --> 01:29:58.553
[SPEAKER_00]: We've talked about that, right?

01:30:00.514 --> 01:30:01.314
[SPEAKER_00]: Something to look out for.

01:30:01.834 --> 01:30:04.655
[SPEAKER_00]: Could, again, we might see this down the road.

01:30:04.875 --> 01:30:16.299
[SPEAKER_00]: Could, New Japan go to them and just say, look, guys, I know we don't have the best attendance going right now, and I know we are not exactly swimming in the money that we use to swim in right now with merchandise or anything else.

01:30:17.099 --> 01:30:20.380
[SPEAKER_00]: But here is why we need better

01:30:22.403 --> 01:30:24.704
[SPEAKER_00]: We need a bigger budget for foreign talent.

01:30:24.744 --> 01:30:30.169
[SPEAKER_00]: This is why we need to shore up some of this young talent that we have with some contract.

01:30:30.209 --> 01:30:32.130
[SPEAKER_00]: Can they get a little bit more money?

01:30:32.230 --> 01:30:45.821
[SPEAKER_00]: Instead of bushy road trying to tighten things up and borrow money to fix their business, are these two companies that will say, let's invest and make sure we don't have an okata and nighto situation in the future.

01:30:46.502 --> 01:30:50.285
[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe we do put a little bit of money into a foreign star that we really like.

01:30:51.081 --> 01:31:03.952
[SPEAKER_00]: That's not going to be apparent on day one, but instead of a company that's borrowing money to try to hang on and regain what it's lost in market share and all that, we have two companies that are doing better right now.

01:31:04.512 --> 01:31:07.855
[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe they can talk them into some investment on that end.

01:31:08.515 --> 01:31:19.240
[SPEAKER_01]: I would say conservatively the company in New Japan, if you didn't have to prove it with the accident, they got before anyone come out and says, hey, what do you need?

01:31:19.280 --> 01:31:20.361
[SPEAKER_01]: We'll throw money at you.

01:31:20.721 --> 01:31:23.602
[SPEAKER_01]: It's just going to be throwing money with the same bugging in the same problem.

01:31:23.882 --> 01:31:27.444
[SPEAKER_01]: You got to cook with the ingredients that you have before you add anything else.

01:31:27.504 --> 01:31:29.165
[SPEAKER_01]: And I think that's the fun way to go about it.

01:31:29.720 --> 01:31:35.024
[SPEAKER_00]: I agree with you, I just think they have a parent company that might listen because it's going to be part of a television special that will be on their network.

01:31:35.344 --> 01:31:39.688
[SPEAKER_00]: So I think you might be able to get their ear and then a plethora, one C.S.

01:31:39.708 --> 01:31:42.810
[SPEAKER_00]: did Bushy Road sell the company because evil left and they knew the jig was up.

01:31:42.990 --> 01:31:44.412
[SPEAKER_00]: Ah, now we've gotten to the bottom of it.

01:31:45.532 --> 01:31:49.075
[SPEAKER_00]: They just didn't feel it was any point going on without the master of burdens.

01:31:49.636 --> 01:31:53.999
[SPEAKER_01]: Stephen, I am correctly assuming that you have no idea what evil is doing is in a

01:31:59.208 --> 01:32:13.013
[SPEAKER_01]: Not only if he going after Tony D'Angelo, Steven, he has a gimmick that he has explained to Tony D'Angelo in which he will not allow anyone to interfere in Tony D'Angelo's championship matches.

01:32:14.413 --> 01:32:19.255
[SPEAKER_01]: Look, he repeat myself, evil, formerly of the House of Torture.

01:32:19.635 --> 01:32:23.737
[SPEAKER_01]: He's being booked in a role in which his soul,

01:32:29.070 --> 01:32:33.496
[SPEAKER_00]: in the world title, if there's one thing I can't stand.

01:32:34.077 --> 01:32:36.580
[SPEAKER_00]: It is outside interference, and I will not have it here.

01:32:36.680 --> 01:32:41.126
[SPEAKER_01]: And if you ever thought the WWE didn't have it, so it's a humor.

01:32:43.309 --> 01:32:44.531
[SPEAKER_00]: There you have it, ladies and gentlemen.

01:32:44.711 --> 01:32:45.512
[SPEAKER_00]: All right, so.

01:32:46.475 --> 01:32:47.676
[SPEAKER_00]: They've got the sale thing going.

01:32:47.836 --> 01:32:52.058
[SPEAKER_00]: Of course, if any developments come up, we will be covering here on the show next week.

01:32:52.078 --> 01:32:53.219
[SPEAKER_00]: We have four shows to go.

01:32:53.459 --> 01:32:55.420
[SPEAKER_00]: We're going to finish up block play in the Super Junior's.

01:32:55.880 --> 01:32:59.282
[SPEAKER_00]: We've got a couple of all block match shows coming from Corican Hall.

01:32:59.302 --> 01:33:00.463
[SPEAKER_00]: Hopefully those will be pretty good.

01:33:00.923 --> 01:33:04.825
[SPEAKER_00]: Hopefully nobody from Mari Gold will get seriously injured between now and next week for once.

01:33:05.366 --> 01:33:07.347
[SPEAKER_01]: And we're the Mari Gold for another.

01:33:07.367 --> 01:33:09.648
[SPEAKER_00]: Believe Mari Gold, my goodness, poor Rossi.

01:33:10.649 --> 01:33:15.291
[SPEAKER_00]: And then any other news that pops up, of course, we're going to be covering it right here.

01:33:16.632 --> 01:33:19.994
[SPEAKER_01]: New Japan make it cool to another country again next week could happen.

01:33:20.194 --> 01:33:30.320
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, we know and we're closer to dominion than you realize So lots to come here and with that mind we're gonna sign off of this week recover a little bit watch these super junior shows so

01:33:31.397 --> 01:33:39.159
[SPEAKER_00]: Folks, for those of you who joined us here live with your questions, we really, really appreciate you if you're listening to this or watching this later, we appreciate your time as well.

01:33:39.199 --> 01:33:40.999
[SPEAKER_00]: Don't forget about Tom talks rubbish.

01:33:41.039 --> 01:33:46.881
[SPEAKER_00]: We're both of us are on there and different interview segments being interviewed about our pro wrestling fandom.

01:33:46.901 --> 01:33:50.862
[SPEAKER_00]: We encourage you to check those out or forget power bombshells back this weekend.

01:33:51.162 --> 01:33:56.843
[SPEAKER_00]: They will be on Sunday and they're regular times to tell you all about things going on across the wrestling world here in Viking.

01:33:57.417 --> 01:34:02.438
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01:34:03.298 --> 01:34:04.339
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01:34:04.379 --> 01:34:13.881
[SPEAKER_01]: If you have questions, we'll hit it up next week and try and run it back for you because I know that a lot of people listen to this show, but may want to have questions for us.

01:34:13.901 --> 01:34:14.461
[SPEAKER_01]: That's that.

01:34:15.001 --> 01:34:22.223
[SPEAKER_01]: Go to the comments on the YouTube after it's dropped and we will check afterwards and see if there's anything we can answer for you.

01:34:23.249 --> 01:34:27.252
[SPEAKER_00]: Absolutely, and don't forget that you can also email me and ring side replay at gmail.com.

01:34:27.272 --> 01:34:29.373
[SPEAKER_00]: If you have any questions, I will do everything I can too.

01:34:29.433 --> 01:34:34.817
[SPEAKER_01]: There is a speaking of drunk dial, gmail.com, email.

01:34:34.977 --> 01:34:37.319
[SPEAKER_01]: If you ever want to send stuff there, I have it.

01:34:37.439 --> 01:34:38.160
[SPEAKER_01]: I've never used it.

01:34:38.260 --> 01:34:38.920
[SPEAKER_01]: I've never had it.

01:34:39.000 --> 01:34:39.841
[SPEAKER_01]: It was kind of sitting on it.

01:34:40.241 --> 01:34:42.903
[SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, I can speak of drunk style at gmail.com.

01:34:43.388 --> 01:34:44.949
[SPEAKER_00]: A ringside replay at gmail.com.

01:34:44.989 --> 01:34:45.989
[SPEAKER_00]: I did check that one really well.

01:34:46.029 --> 01:34:46.349
[SPEAKER_00]: All right.

01:34:46.389 --> 01:34:47.410
[SPEAKER_00]: With that in mind, everybody.

01:34:47.730 --> 01:34:50.171
[SPEAKER_00]: Thank you once again for joining us for Jeremy Feinstein.

01:34:50.211 --> 01:34:50.972
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm Stephen Conway.

01:34:50.992 --> 01:34:53.833
[SPEAKER_00]: This has been Speaking of Stock Style, and we will talk to you again real soon.