Nakamura vs. Tanahashi at WK? WBD Sale Threat to NJPW, STARDOM Alliance | Speaking of Strong Style

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[SPEAKER_00]: Super Junior Tag League began today at Coracle in Hall, although not many people seem to have noticed.

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[SPEAKER_00]: With only 10 mostly thrown together teams and five league matches each, this tournament doesn't have a lot of buzz.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They're probably going to be some good matches though.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We're gonna take a look at the first night of action, look ahead to a very busy week as far as shows go and talk about what we might expect as the tournament rolls on, plus any other news that comes up.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So with Jeremy Feinstein, I'm Stephen Conway and this is Speaking of Strong Style.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Welcome, everyone, to Speaking of Strong Style, where we discuss the news issues and events surrounding New Japan pro wrestling.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's Jeremy, I'm Stephen, we are contributors to the fight game media network.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So Jeremy, this week, we had a nice little show in Taiji's hometown, which we're gonna talk about a little bit, night one of the Super Junior tournament, otherwise, fairly quiet week in New Japan news.

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[SPEAKER_00]: How did you spend your week?

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[SPEAKER_00]: What'd you do?

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[SPEAKER_01]: I did a lot of spring cleaning in the fall.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I did a lot of reorganizing around the house.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I watched that Tahichi show, I watched a show today and, you know, speaking of the fall and, you know, carnival season, you ever have cotton candy?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, I totally understand.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It was not the most kind of switch a week, but there was a lot of fluff, a lot of fluff to speak.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and you know, we're going, like I said, we're going to talk about that to H and show.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There were a lot of feel good moments in that show overall.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then, you know, some,

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[SPEAKER_00]: Boy, an interesting show, a quirk on today, maybe for who wasn't there than for who was.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But, and I, by that, I mean, a crowd.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But we'll examine it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And as far as the rest of my week went though, I took some time to catch up on a few things.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I watched some, I watched some Marty Gold getting ready for their big show in Sumo Hall coming up this weekend.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I was excited to see a little bit of startup, watch a new blood event.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I also keep mine out of a big baseball fan.

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[SPEAKER_00]: started.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We saw all the the championship series wrap up NBA season has begun.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So just in general sports.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm having a pretty good time.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And that ain't even more popular than ever apparently.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, he's certainly in the NBA.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's that couple.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That is going to be a holy mess.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, okay, I was watching EF, I quoted the ESPN where they're literally talking about it and they have the bet ESPN sprawl, and then it like suddenly just disappears.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, all these companies are complicit, man.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like the temptation, the urge of just one that wants to get a deal.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then it's like,

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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh man, the betting companies are telling on themselves.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They're like, we got it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We got to flag this before anybody liked it to rent on it too.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Now one of the things I'm proud of Jeremy is that almost one third about one third of our audience is not from the United States.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It is from overseas and things and I'm very proud of that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And U.S. V.A.

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[SPEAKER_00]: guys here.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Established by glad to see you.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It says a way to go bed ESPN.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We're going to talk about that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Collin is here.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Of course.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Collin is actually a good thing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Did I catch any of the London sumo tournament?

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[SPEAKER_00]: I have seen a few clips.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It looks like the guys are having fun with it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's more of an exhibition than what we normally see in the tournament.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I think they're, you know, making sure they don't get hurt for the quote unquote real stuff.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But they are entertaining the crowds.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Jeremy is kind of at their home.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They're kind of working together almost to do rarely seen sumo moves on one another to kind of show off a little bit for the crowd.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's an interesting exhibition that they're doing well with sumo guys, but it's also fun to see the sumo wrestlers moving around London like four of them lined up like the Beatles on the Abbey Road cover at that crosswalk.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So they may enact the heavy road cover with Sumo guys a couple of them on tandem bikes rolling around parks in London which is always fun taking pictures with the bodies and the on horseback by Buckingham Palace so they look like they're enjoying their trip.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I will tell you at some point this path we somebody mentioned to me their interest in Sumo was growing and it was had everything to do

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, this makes me so happy.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's like, I'm like, oh, what's going on with this?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Super stuff, oh, you mean like the yolk-o-o-o stuff?

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[SPEAKER_01]: And he's like, yeah, I'm like, I heard him out of the trail.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, yeah, I don't know.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think about it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He got it off.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, I'll be happy to help.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Speaking of shameless self-promotion, if we're going to do that, actually did the recap for the AEW Russell Dream show, which is technically the anoki tribute show, but that really just had to do with the one guy grabbing a towel at the end of his magic, doing the sign and the collar,

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[SPEAKER_01]: the scarf.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But I didn't review the show with Gary Good Gollis and you can find it on the same video channel and the audio feed that you can find this on.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And show fine, you know, I think I think there are a lot of people that love AEW want to like cheer it up.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's much as possible, but this was an awesome frame, it's an MJF.

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[SPEAKER_01]: A lot of injuries.

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[SPEAKER_00]: A lot of injuries in the restroom.

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[SPEAKER_01]: A lot of injuries, a lot of matches went a little too long.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Didn't need to go too long.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Some of them went so long with the the next matches had no chance of getting any heat because they took all of it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But it was just that kind of thing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It was, it was an indulgent, but a pure AEW show.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So if you want to check that out, you can find that on the fight, give me the channel.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Cool, and just so that I noted to circle back for the folks outside of the United States.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Big scandal has hit the National Basketball Association here in the United States, and that an active head coach and an active player from different teams have been arrested for point-shaving, fixing games, illegal betting, being part of an illegal poker game that

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, you haven't heard those names in a few years, have you?

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[SPEAKER_00]: We're back talking about Gambinos, Genivacies, and all this stuff.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So Martin Scorsese is warming up the band here to do another movie about this, but it is a betting scandal within the NBA that has also encompassed some former players.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There's undoubtedly...

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[SPEAKER_00]: her and players, although Adam silver the NBA commissioner is scrambling as we speak right here live trying to cover up any involvement of a earth players because he's desperate to keep a to say throw the other players under the bus and say well roge here for Miami was dirty.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We've kicked him out and he's under arrest now and then those other guys aren't in the league anymore everything's fine.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's all fine.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's all fine.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But clearly there's a huge betting and shaving scandal going on.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It looks like Jeremy, it is involving a lot of guys Faking injuries to get themselves taken out of games early thus and sharing anyone who bet the under on their points score or stupid kidney guys be

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, I mean, the thing is you can, you can argue a head injury and it doesn't really show up, doesn't and a couple of guys did that like, oh, I got hit in the head.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm a little foggy and they get themselves taken out of the game and then any and then anyone who bet the under on them scoring say 20 points if they go out early wins their bets.

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[SPEAKER_01]: greeted stupidity will get you in the end all the time.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And there have been point-shaving scandals before in college basketball a lot.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And of course we've had a dirty referee in the NBA so all this stuff.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And what U.S. VA guy was referring to earlier what you referred to earlier is that ESPN, that's one of the biggest sports books online, there is.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But ESPN is talking about, oh this is awful, they're fixing games.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And at the bottom

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[SPEAKER_00]: which started looking really conflict of interest until all of a sudden, like you mentioned, that abruptly just vanished off the bottom of the screen where it usually is so as frequently.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So between that and the Valerie cap subversion scheme that seems to be happening with the Quipper and Kawai Leonard and several million dollars of almost no work whatsoever, and still for probably aged about 10 years of the last month.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And he didn't look so good before.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And for the most part, I've liked him, but he's got a real problem this year.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He's got a real problem.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He, my impression of him has gone significantly downhill within the last year and fair enough.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It just seemed like his interests are aligning more with the big money than it does seem with the same to the other week.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Nick Reeves is here with us again.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Nick, I'm glad you're here.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Again, live with us.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I hope so too.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He says, just as I pick this season, they get back into the NBA, all hell breaks loose.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And he says, still need to catch up on Junior Tag League.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, it's fair enough.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You only have one show, uh, Mr. right there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But he wanted to say hi.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He spent his flight back from Vegas a few days ago watching Noah's July 05 Tokyo dome show.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Nice.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Didn't expect on a how should you be on it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There was a very young town on that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, uh, yeah, very young town on that one.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He popped up.

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[SPEAKER_00]: This is again when the companies were working together a lot and when things were not great and they were doing things to help each other out.

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[SPEAKER_00]: No, it was probably in better shape than New Japan at the time.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, very young town of Hashi.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There's some really

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[SPEAKER_00]: old Tana Hashimatches that just popped back up.

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[SPEAKER_00]: If you notice that on the crawl of NJPW world, they've always been on it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But they're featuring, I'm putting the tile up there just underneath the new stuff.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And stuff that goes all the way back to him wrestling Shinya Makabe before he was Tokyo Makabe and thanks so you can see a very young ace back then if you want to.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You can go back and see that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And let's see, what else?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, I want to mention this as far as wrestling goes Jeremy.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I am not saying that I've been watching a lot of CMLL, but all of my YouTube ads are now in Spanish.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Whenever it cuts, whenever it cuts to commercial now, it's in Spanish each time, whether I'm watching CMLL or not.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So they're so sure now that I'm either in Mexico or that I speak so eloquently, that all my ads, even when I'm watching something that has nothing to do, if I'm watching old Japanese wrestling, it shows me an ad in Spanish.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's how much CMLL I've been taking to look at.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you're living in Texas, you might check off some demographic that aren't actually correct.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I'll just be careful there.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Be careful.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, again, this is my Spanish.

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[SPEAKER_00]: My Spanish is improving to go with my Japanese.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I'm working on all of the right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And we are going to talk about this now.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And we've got other stuff here.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So before we get into these shows, like you mentioned, this isn't the most

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[SPEAKER_00]: captivating storyline week in New Japan history.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So, but we are going to get into some stuff.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Colin mentioned this.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The Tana Hashie and Nakamura headlines.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Let's go ahead and get into that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We also have started with CMLL working together.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So Jesse Hyde mentions this.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The Tana Hashie in the WWE could be talking about Nakamura and Tana Hashie final match at rest of the kingdom 20 because the Tana Hashie final match opponent announcement will be talked about.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And we expect

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[SPEAKER_00]: news on that fairly soon, probably at the geifu show or shortly thereafter, Jeremy, what we have heard is that first of all, it's highly unlikely, is the phrase I was using on that the WWE would let him go ahead and do that if he is still on the contract to WWE.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I've heard that there have been discussions.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But it's still a fairly long shot.

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[SPEAKER_00]: What's your impression of what you've heard regarding Shinsuke Nakamura, his status with WWE and a possibility of him being Tanahashi's final opponent at Russell Kingdom 20.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You and I probably about five months ago with a down a list of five people that could possibly be Tana-Hashi's final opponent.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And they're more would make for interesting ones.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Not the only five people I could do.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That list has gotten very much colder the last couple of weeks, so that list included Abushi, and listed included Omega, and included Naito, it included Okada, and the Dark Horse 5%

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[SPEAKER_01]: because of the WWE alignment with Noah, because of the AEW relationship, just for a variety of reasons, it just wasn't going to work out.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Now, we had talked about it on the show that WWE was coming to Sumo Hall this past weekend.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It came up with the EOS guy.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to have three big matches at Sumo Hall this month, which was basically the,

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[SPEAKER_01]: the impetus of that conversation, but Nakamura was also there, he was a baby face, and while he was there, he emulated the Tonahashi goodbye at the show, and then Tonahashi reacted on social media, and that began questions among people trying to figure out what was going on.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The

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[SPEAKER_01]: Provelling rumor by about Friday afternoon Pacific evening time was that it was more of a possibility than ever that Nakamura could do this.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The reason for that being is yes, you still under contract with WWE.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But he had provisional rollouts that allowed him carve out to wrestle in Japan if he wanted to request it for whatever reason.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's still required WWE approval.

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[SPEAKER_01]: This is what I will basically give in to understand.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So we are at an impasse here where knock him or a walk to do it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The company, New Japan, is very quietly trying to make this happen.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I don't want to say anything more because I don't want to be the kind of person that jeopardizes this by talking about it too much.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know what I mean?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, this is very clearly.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Tonahashi, Nakamura, and WWE, having this negotiation.

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[SPEAKER_01]: When fightful is doing an article about the boys, like, not thinking that's happening, they can think it might not happen, but I'm very skeptical that that conversation is that level with the promotion and not at the secret top level.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So, my understanding is that Nakamura is on the board.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's not likely, but it's possible.

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[SPEAKER_01]: with O'Conan being the fallback.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, that's what we're at.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It was not, it's not like over 50% that it's not Gamera.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's more like it was 5% and now we're in the 30 to 40% but it's a good very interesting 30 to 40% it's it's

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[SPEAKER_00]: A real challenge, USB-A guy kind of hits it in the head.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There are massive politics and play with not more.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Especially if he's still under WWE contract, looks like he's going to be.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Otherwise, I don't think all this yapping would be necessary.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You could just go out of contract and then decide if he wants to do the show or not.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The issue comes that WWE has shown zero proclivity to help anybody else, except the companies that it's already

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[SPEAKER_00]: working with maybe have an eye on acquiring at some point, you know, what would they want?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well,

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think there is anything that New Japan could give them that they would want that would help them.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And in a way that would make them want to do it, which is why I'm still leaning hard toward this not happening.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I would love for it too.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I just don't see anything that New Japan could offer WWE that would get it to them.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And here's what I'm saying on that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They have worked with Noah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So they sent talent to Noah for some international experience, Charlie Dempsey, I think, or

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I think Charlie Dempsey was over there at Russell Odyssey, and they have some people that have worked with with them before Noah on the women's side.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They work with Marigold, of course, Eosky, and my Ewitani is coming up this weekend.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Work with is a, they have allowed people to go over and work with Rossi and Marigold.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They have allowed people to go over.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They're nothing is come back the other way.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's kind of who they work with, and of course, trip away.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I've talked about what I think their plans are for trip away, which is to get at a TV deal on one of the Spanish language networks in the United States, and not try to compete with CMLL because it's a different business model, but if they can get a pretty fat TV contract to air some luchely-bray programming on Spanish language television, I think they'll jump at that chance.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They've had their eye on

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[SPEAKER_00]: Japanese companies before the key with Noah it's tricky because Noah's parent company is actually larger than Bushy Road.

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[SPEAKER_00]: If you look at the conglomerate that owns Noah which also owns a couple other wrestling companies that they know that that company is huge.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Bigger than Bushy Road.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So

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[SPEAKER_00]: You have to kind of convince them to take it off their hands.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's not like they can just write a big check and turn their heads, I suppose they could, but it would take a fairly big one.

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[SPEAKER_00]: If they, and right now Noah's actually warming up, so it's a bit on the upswing compared to previous years.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So doesn't seem like that's in the works.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They might acquire, but it does seem like global domination is the obvious goal for WWE always has been, but it seems more in reach than it is before.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't see any motivation from WWE side whatsoever to help New Japan.

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[SPEAKER_00]: What would that be?

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[SPEAKER_00]: And don't tell me talent.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They don't care.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They just grow their own.

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[SPEAKER_00]: No.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Everybody.

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[SPEAKER_01]: This is all politics.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, that's the box set.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But, okay, we got to like this.

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[SPEAKER_01]: WWE, if they were to say yes, has an opportunity to position themselves as the one that is the bigger benefactor to New Japan during their biggest show while AEW is providing to Keshita on their end.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Number one, that big, just hear me out here.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They're big timing of Tony, while Tony

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[SPEAKER_01]: He has every reason to be upset and he had every reason to be like, well, this suck, but at the same time, you have seen him in the past.

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[SPEAKER_01]: In the sanctity of respecting wrestling legacies, doing things that make no sense, like giving footage to WWE to tribute other wrestlers in the last couple years when WWE is not doing anything like that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: She then over backwards to make Tana Hashie the focal point of that forbidden door.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I am not willing to say that Tony will flat out not accommodate

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[SPEAKER_01]: this event for Tonahashi and just kind of parlay and take like a shot from WWE over in Japan and just be the respectable partner for from AEW that is honoring Tonahashi like he is trying to do this entire time while WWE is going to use this as an opportunity to like take

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[SPEAKER_01]: that they're the bigger fish in the whole Tonahashi scenario where it could, it could in their mind make Tony look smaller and they are very petty and they won't do anything to undercut Tony Kong.

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[SPEAKER_01]: anyway on any forum for whatever reason.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And that is the only, only at factor for me as to why WWE might possibly agree to this, is that it'd be a way to stick it to Tony Scott.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I just don't think they care all that much, and they especially might need to.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, sure they do, but they do, but

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think WWE might also look at like this if we put one of our wrestlers on this show that also as AEW wrestlers on it and also has new Japan wrestlers on it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It is in WWE's eyes.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Keep in mind I'm talking about what is being discussed in the halls in Stanford.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Stanford Connecticut.

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[SPEAKER_00]: If we put our guy on this show all we're doing is saying that these cute little wrestling companies are on our level when they're not

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I think that by doing that, and they say, oh, yeah, you're worthy of being in compared to or equal to WWE.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I don't think they're going to do that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think they want to do that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think they consider it below them to do it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And it's just one of those things where I just don't see them doing anything to help anybody.

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[SPEAKER_00]: beholden to them.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, they'll help TNA, but they kind of need TNA a little bit.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, we mentioned that they need TNA to keep some of the regulators off their backs.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I just don't see any motivation to stick into Tony Khan.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe, but they're sticking into Tony Khan in a very different and much more important way.

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[SPEAKER_01]: don't put it in any way that they can't, they're pouring money and throwing money away, just to make Tony call a life miserable.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And they will look for any way to just make it more difficult for him to run his business, including interfering with his participation in restricting.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I think that New Japan, rightfully, should be selfish in this case and do everything they can to get as much star power.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And if Nakamura is on that show, he's in the main event and he's winning.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So, it's not even like an optic of anything other than that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like there's no

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[SPEAKER_01]: Uh, to catch those in the main event here like everything about it is going to make AEW looking like the number two to WWE at the big event in Japan in years that's where that's where I think the strategy is coming from it is a big timing effort and they see an opportunity to do so and again.

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[SPEAKER_01]: This is like 30 to 40 percent possibility.

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[SPEAKER_01]: This is not like 75 to 80, but if you're looking for a reason, if you're looking for why, the reason would be it's whatever would give WWE to venture.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They're not altruistic.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They're not a giving company.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They're going to want something.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And if that price is something, a new Japan everyone to pay, they're going to do it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I just don't think there's a dollar figure for that or anything, but Nick Reeves has that he said that the potential to drive some sort of political wedge between NJPW and AWC.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The only thing I could see, AWW at E getting out of this.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But again, I don't think WWE cares.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The money they're making, the money that New Japan brings, the money that AEW brings in.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's a pitence to TKO and AWW A.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And it aligns with how petty they've been toward AEW this year in particular.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Sure.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But here in this country, I just don't know if New Japan even registers on the radar like that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Nick just says, if the goal is simply sticking to Tony, then utilizing Shinsuke.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But they don't put on TV anymore as a low risk way to do it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It feels very much in line with their current approach to AWS.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, if you guys might be right, I'm not saying that it's impossible.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I just, I'm trying to figure out the motive.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I always look at things with WWE, it was like, how does it help them?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Because it's the only way they think.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, well, that is 100% what I've been thinking and just don't see anything that they would not anything they would bother with.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I had this conversation with Dave at Alex you're like, if WWE is going to let Nakamura do this, because that's what it comes down to is Nakamura can request it like it's legally in its contract.

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[SPEAKER_01]: WWE has to approve it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: but like why would they approve it if they have to approve it what like they're going to want something out of it and that's the part where you have you really have to get to the nitty gritty of like what are they going to want yeah and and like how does putting Nakamura on the show help

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[SPEAKER_00]: Our hurts, excuse me, I understand the idea that they're very petty toward AEW and they're doing things that even might even cost them money in order to hurt AEW because they think long term, that's the better play if there is not another company that can match the salary structure.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's the one thing Tony Khan can do that can mess up WWE is he can affect the salary structure.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He gives people another place to go, so they have to pay the wrestlers more to keep them.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Another company that is a absolutely no threat to them financially and they can't affect the salaries.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They can't drive them up.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The the thought on that is how would sending Nakamura their hurt AEW?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Which is the only question you really need to ask and I just don't see an answer for that in a way that WWE would say, let's do it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I just don't.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They did, how would, how would sending him over there to be part of this big show and Chris Charlton was saying almost 30,000 tickets sold, how would having him there hurt AEW?

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[SPEAKER_00]: If winning the main event, no one cares.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's not the point, is it, it's all about how can you hurt their money?

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[SPEAKER_01]: And WWE with their reach gets footage from the Tokyo Doe of Nakamura and the main event.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And they start talking about how they drew, like, how hate, how they help draw.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, I'm not going to do 30,000 people.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, you know, like, I could care.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, how does, how does that help anything in the United States?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Be careful, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: When people start talking about it like, oh, they're big and Japan.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's just one more little thing than big time because of them and it's all other wrestling in North America seem small.

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[SPEAKER_00]: My guess is in Stanford, they're eventually going to come around to the idea of sending our guy there legitimizes this.

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[SPEAKER_00]: and they're just not gonna end up doing it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's my guess, I would love to be wrong.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'd love for not convert to be on this show.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I would love, I hope I'm wrong, but I just, I've been watching WWE since I was eight years old and I kind of know what kind of, I know what kind of beast I'm looking at here and what I'm dealing with and I'm just going on 40 plus years of their actions on things.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They don't help other people out.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They just don't.

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[SPEAKER_01]: God don't have truth, I would much rather clean off a mirror than Tana Hockey.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like I really do hope that they can work something out and we get that match because I think that his old kid coming out to his old music.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, God has old music so good in New Japan too.

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[SPEAKER_01]: With that said, if it were to be O'Connor and Tana Hockey, I think that match is going to be pretty special too.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Sure.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, how do I actually try to be the first time I know that you've had a couple of bangers this week.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The guy stepped into the office for a little while.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, Collins asking about startup and CMLL working together.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, this is a Bushy Road Company, New Japan's Bushy Road.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So yes, startup and CMLL are going to be exchanging talent trying to expand women's wrestling.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Now, it is basically women's wrestling month with CMLL.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's breast cancer awareness month.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They have the pink ropes.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They had an all-women's show FWC from startup, Hazuki, and Cogamon, one of the best tag teams on Earth is over there touring.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And they're going to be working, guys, so we're going to be seeing, we've seen some of this with Persephone being over there, Tabata, I think is Julia's daughter or something like that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Anyway, I might be getting some of that wrong, but going over there and wrestling for stardom and then some more of the stardom women going over there is just healthy.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think it's just good for everybody to get some international experience.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I think that's great right now.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Women's wrestling is the one part of wrestling,

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[SPEAKER_00]: in Japan that seems to be, have a little momentum.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The Joe she's seen far more than Noah, but that's been in great shape for a lot of the year and on the upswing, I'm curious to see Jeremy, what Marigold does.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The two WWE Supershows sumo haul from the photographs I saw looked about half full.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Mm-hmm.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Four thousand.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So, you know, maybe five, I don't know, doesn't look like as many as we're at King of Pro Wrestling, looks like a little bit more than we're at Wrestle Odyssey, the Noah Show.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I very curious to see where Marigold lands and all that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's not often we get to do apples and apples with all these shows and the same building from all these different companies in the same month.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But we're kind of getting a snapshot of where the industry is in Japan right now.

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[SPEAKER_00]: and then war hero says post WWE in a in all currently recruiting Japanese wrestlers from the women's

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, there's just a lot of, there's just a hell of a lot of talent in the Jocci scene right now, and young talent.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I'm encouraged by the CMLL, start a partnership.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think that it's funny, Jeremy, I remember only a few years ago, that the women's match on a CMLL show was to be tolerated more than enjoyed.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And that wasn't terribly long ago.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then these women have up their games so much,

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[SPEAKER_00]: Stephanie Vakar was certainly a big part of that coming in just so predator naturally talented and then other people just seem to catch their mojo off of that and people like Juvia people like Zeusys and Reina Isis just up their games and they they just so much better than they were only a few years ago and then the younger women coming up are are better

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[SPEAKER_00]: One tour and start them will raise your level because the depth of talent and start them, iron will sharpen that iron.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then you bring that back to Mexico and now you have improved luchadoras coming back and working with other up and coming female wrestlers in Mexico and as long as that iron continues to sharpen and iron, everyone's gonna get better.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I think it's a really intelligent move for both companies right now.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I think the synergy really does manage to, like a rising time with all ships.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I was really surprised when I saw the internet and then I was like, actually, no, that makes sense.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know what I mean?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like they were, they were at the Tokyo Dome this past year.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, the CMLL and the startup and wrestling for the title and the four way.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I ain't.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think this is going to be good for everybody involved and I think the the strong style that they do at the Joe she's coming to men scrumoring the lucha and the lucha back and forth is really going to elevate.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Both of them, and what do you think?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Are they doing excursion?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Are they going to have like long-term talent or the market is going to be like a person here or person there?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I think it's going to be more like that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The women don't go on excursion the way the new Japan young lives, the idea of going on excursion is kind of a men's thing, more of a new Japan thing than anybody else.

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[SPEAKER_00]: All Japan doesn't even really do it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: No us sometimes does it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They just sent somebody over to NXT for a little while.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You just put your unique opportunity in 2025, like it's not completely out of the question, like you just trade talent for a little while.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and I think for, for swings, you know, you can, the one good thing, well, there are a lot of good things, but one of the good things about working for CML is they run almost every night.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So it's not a waste of trip.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, FWC is working like five nights a week on this swing out through there and working Guadalajara and Arena Coliseo and

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[SPEAKER_00]: you know, through Pueblo and all of these little arenas that CMLL owns, there's a lot of work there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And it's just a way to kind of give the fans somebody different to see.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So, and like you said, exposing to different styles.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Again, the depth of the startup is such that they could go without a few people for a week or two weeks or three weeks, however long they want to do it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't see people going on excursions spending a year over there because startups just doesn't do that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But

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[SPEAKER_00]: going over there for sending a trio out to take a tour and do trio's matches around.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think that would be healthy for everybody.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then they have a lot of tournaments in start them.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There's the five star ground pretty most famous one, but they also have the, you know, the women's tag tournament.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They have a trio's tournament.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They have the Cinderella tournament having a CMLL representative there is is good.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's somebody who can frankly

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[SPEAKER_00]: take some losses that maybe the start of people don't have to take and just get that experience over there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And AJ works in Japan for a little while.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And we saw what it did for Megan Bane and of course for what's now who's now Blake Monroe.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And it always held right today

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think it's going to be more of a talent exchange than any long excursion, you know, Tabata was over for about a month working for Stargum and doing it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean, if like, Reina, I, this are a precephony, you know, to be in or in Luvia, like, goes over there for like a spell, probably be pretty fun, you know, to be like, put it, put a tag key together, like, get more run, do something like that, you know, just get a couple of reps in there and it just,

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, like I said, right and tied, yeah, with all ships, and I think the MLL in particular.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's really taking advantage of like, synergizing startup with AEW and New Japan while Triple A just, you know, sold itself to WWE and some people are standing, some people are yelling.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and very different circumstances, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, the families, that on the top of the two directions, the wrestling world is going.

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[SPEAKER_01]: No, you're absolutely a foundation and then there's like a unification of promotion in order to, you know, do a yourself and give people a reason to like, hey, you'll have an opportunity to go to this promotion here.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You have an opportunity to wrestle here.

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[SPEAKER_01]: If you have more than one way to get to the big time.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And let's look at one other thing, it was we talked about the landscape and pro wrestling because it also affects New Japan as well.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And that is that Warner Bros.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Discovery is for sale.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They've hung the for sale sign out.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They have openly said that we are looking to sell Warner Bros. guy.

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[SPEAKER_00]: This is one of the biggest movie studios in Hollywood history, the Warner Bros. studio.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It also involves HBO Max.

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[SPEAKER_00]: which is a big streaming service and of course we're in this middle of the streaming service wars, these companies try to parse each other out.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But for the wrestling industry, the important thing is Warner Brothers Discovery owns TNT and TBS, the two companies to carry AEW.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Here's why this could be absolutely critical.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The most likely suitor for buying WBDA with Warner Brothers

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[SPEAKER_00]: massive entertainment conglomeration right now the odds are unfavored as paramount plus which is another old school hollywood studio paramount picture that has evolved and has been bought by a whole bunch of people.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Point being we've talked on the show for about how one of the more clever things that WWE has done is cut off pathways to new talent for AEW and try to cut off

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[SPEAKER_00]: There's another thing going on.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They have signed deals with ESPN.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So that's Disney, ABC.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's all under the same parent company.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So they have all their PLEs are going to ESPN.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They already have a deal with Netflix.

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[SPEAKER_00]: All right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They already have a deal with Paramount Plus.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Now, TKO does not WWE, but UFC, which the company also owns.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They have a deal with universal, which is Comcast's own NBC.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So ABC, Paramount CBS, NBC, all the major networks right now have something going on with WWE.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's SmackDown is on the Universal Station's USA Network.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's owned by Universal.

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[SPEAKER_00]: With that of the major players, Jeremy, Warner Bros.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Discovery, and Amazon, which has a video streaming service, Amazon Prime, and Apple, which isn't considered a major, is more of a boutique streaming service that has like prestige programming and some sports.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There aren't a lot of

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[SPEAKER_00]: If Warner Brothers Discovery is bought by Paramount Plus, Paramount Plus just married UFC for a huge amount of money.

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[SPEAKER_00]: A lot of times, these deals say, we are your exclusive provider of these types of shows.

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[SPEAKER_00]: If Paramount Plus buys Warner Brothers Discovery,

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[SPEAKER_00]: There's TKO that could either exert contractual pressure or requirements or at least political pressure to dump AEW because it is competing with something that is already on Paramount, which is a TKO company.

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[SPEAKER_00]: If that happens,

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[SPEAKER_00]: There aren't many places for AEW to go.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And we're already seeing the ratings drop because of this new way of counting ratings for everybody.

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[SPEAKER_00]: SmackDown took an ass woman.

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[SPEAKER_00]: AEW is taking an ass woman with the way these ratings.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So already, wrestling looks less valuable.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Overall, we'll see how that shakes out long term.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But the ratings have gone down since they started changing the way these things are counted.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And that's what everyone's looking at.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So it's gonna affect the next TV negotiations.

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[SPEAKER_00]: If Paramount Plus decides, buys Warner Brothers Discovery, let us, if they do that, and TKO puts that pressure on, the only place left Jeremy is Amazon.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And if they don't want wrestling, there's nowhere really for AEW to go.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And that, to me, is the biggest existential threat right now to AEW is that they might not have a TV provider in a short period of time.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And that's a little spooky for and that's going to affect it's going to affect the entire wrestling industry because it's the goal of WWE to run him out to run Tony out of here so that he stops raising people's prices.

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[SPEAKER_00]: and they can control contracts again, like they used to, back in the good old days when they were a monopoly, from WWE standpoint.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So there's some things going on that could have real domino effects, including New Japan.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They're in an alliance with AEW.

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[SPEAKER_00]: If AEW goes away, they lose their foothold in North America again.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But they would get to Keshe Go.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They'd get to Keshe Go.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Can we get it back?

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's not worth the pivot to explain why this is even relevant to New Japan before we go off on a tangent that has nothing to do with each So Well, couldn't have everything to do with that point, but like the the conversation here is two four one You say the WWE is everywhere

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[SPEAKER_01]: but WWE is also overextending itself.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, you they have a platform where you need a cable package to watch a Macdown.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't even know how much a cable package cost, but I do know that when I had a thing, it cost me $55 for the basic package to watch cable.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And the only thing that I was watching with WWE SmackDown.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Currently, there is no way to watch it the next day without some type of subscription or link to USA Network, which the indoor price for that is substantial, so you have that to get in.

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[SPEAKER_01]: If you are not watching ESPN or do not have interest in an ESPN app, but only watching it for WWWE, that is another $30.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The beef price of that is now $10.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Basically.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And that's with ads.

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[SPEAKER_00]: If you want it without ads, this is a heck of a lot more.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You're going up even higher.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So you're you are almost nearing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: $100 without even taking into account peacock with Saturday night paint event and or the NFT paper views.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The one thing that AEW has is that they can offer any streaming service all of their properties.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So if they want to have a TV deal with the paper view, that is something that is going to be

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[SPEAKER_01]: that they can then par away to get subscribed.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's all right.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But I'm going to have to.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Who?

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[SPEAKER_01]: No, but I'm saying, like, Paramount, the landscape any here in two in three months gone in all this.

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[SPEAKER_01]: When all this changes, you know, like, there may be an interest in Paramount, like, hey, you have UFC.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That could not pro wrestling.

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[SPEAKER_01]: If we want pro wrestling, we're going to get pro wrestling.

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[SPEAKER_01]: WWE, you do not tell us what to do.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We're here to make money.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Not if not if someone not if like they go to a lawyer and say that like UFC is not the same kind of property is a pro wrestling like the same effort is before it does not matter if TKO has in the contract that we are your MMA pro wrestling and they remember in the contracts they're non-competes we learned this with Andrade they're non-competes stipulate that he can't be when the MMA

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm sorry, I do not want to equate the contract that wrestlers do with the lawyers versus the TV deals that they do that are going through like nuts and bolts, you know, like there were there were thames in those contract with peacock before it went to ESPN, like

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[SPEAKER_01]: qualifiers and opt-out and all of these things, they're so complex that I would be shocked if like a streaming company handcuffed themselves from being able to acquire another IP because one of the people

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[SPEAKER_01]: You, one of the companies on their service already said, oh, hey, we have a problem with that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They are not in charge of their streaming service.

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[SPEAKER_01]: If these companies are collecting IP, like baseball cards, like paramount and Amazon and Netflix are all kind of doing, you know, like they're not gonna have a company coming and say, oh, no, you can't get that IP.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Unless Atlantic one track says that you don't get you that that we are your exclusive provider of pro wrestling and MMA content.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I I Debbie what's WWE was

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[SPEAKER_01]: fighting to get the deal signed, you know, ahead of time.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I would be shocked if they had carve out to their advantage that said that they were that they could like put themselves in that position.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I also that you have the big fish in a lot of ponged, but they are not the big fish when it comes to

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, but the UFC and all that is perceived as a big time product, especially with how much Paramount just paid for them.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm just saying they're the waters are getting treacherous for AEW.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Absolutely.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But the part to me is the opportunity for them to provide a one-in-all opportunity.

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[SPEAKER_01]: for their product to be on a platform, being exclusive to that platform theoretically, and be the only way.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And that is their value.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Instead of farming out and trying to maximize to all these different properties, as they can find one that will pay them a lot of money and do that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's all that they need.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And it is far more readable than thinking that they were going to put dynamite in one play collision in another place when shockwave was a dream at one point on Fox TV in another place.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then the pay for you somewhere else.

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[SPEAKER_01]: There are all these real maps.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Fox has had wrestling.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Fox had wrestling and didn't want it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They even went, they had, they had a higher, they had more of a show than shockwave was ever like.

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[SPEAKER_00]: No, I understand, but I'm just saying that there aren't that many other

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[SPEAKER_00]: And it's one of those things where if, and especially AEW, which is considered among a lot of people that don't know that aren't wrestling nerds and then follow this stuff hard, they just look at it as like that's minor league WWE.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's not WWE, it's that other company.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so yeah, are they going to want what they perceive as second tier wrestling that company that's less popular than WWE and you know, we want the number one guys, not the number two guys.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's, yeah, it's a strategy idea of it being a second pro second rate pro wrestling company is back it to the idea that it is a familiar proven IP that can make money.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and we're right now.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We're just seeing that it's falling off about 100,000 viewers every single year, year over year, even a bad, but even a bad pay from you've probably going to draw over 100,000 viewers and that's a

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think it probably did $100,000.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And both of them are doing 125, 125,000 buys.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So if I hit $100,000, I think that's probably the second.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I guess $100,500 dead.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I just don't know if a lot of these companies are just, I just think a lot of people just don't want to be in the business, too.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, it's clear.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, Fox just got out of it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And Amazon has never really shown any interest in pro wrestling so far.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It really hasn't, of having it on the service and things.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And they're starting to go into sports.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That can only show a lot of Apple TV.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, especially because that wouldn't, that's not there, that that's not their prestige network and wrestling is still considered pretty low brow and yeah, they they just got formula one, they're not going to pro wrestling that just seems a little low brow for for Apple.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yet the calm thing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, but and keep in mind, one other issue with Apple TV, it's they make phones their their their job is not to run a movie studio they they it's a whole different business model at Apple it is just something to help sell their phones and they don't need they don't need it to make money and it doesn't so that's a bit of a different ball game than that they've just shown no interest in a lot of things you would think they've shown they didn't show interest in the NFL because they can't have all of it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So let me know, they can afford it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, okay, it was, it was a possible option when you're looking for other options.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I have to know what about Apple TV.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's not impossible, but probably unlikely.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Not a lot of suitors, as I'm saying.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's going to be very different wrestling landscape in a few years there, especially after Warner Bros.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So it's always a different wrestling landscape.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, before Raw went to Netflix, it looked a different wrestling landscape.

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[SPEAKER_01]: WWE ruled all on TV, and now it's really kind of murky Jeff, how many people are watching WWE?

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[SPEAKER_01]: It all times.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I think, and even a lot of people walking, but you can't really tell anymore.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and the issue is, if this contract comes up and Warner Brothers discoveries, like, well, according to these numbers over here, fewer people are watching you than we thought when we signed that last deal,

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[SPEAKER_00]: And fewer people are watching.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, the their their audience no matter how you count the people has dropped under the old system.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They were dropping about 100,000 viewers every single year of existence.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They're down to about a half a million now when it was around 900,000 to a million.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So their audience is almost trapped in half.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't tell me that people are watching on max.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's bullshit.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They are not.

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[SPEAKER_00]: If that many people were watching on Macs, that they say they were, if that percentage of the audience were watching on Macs, Macs would be shouting it from the heavens.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There would be nothing except Macs bragging about this incredible audience that they're getting on here, and they don't.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's all you need to know.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's absolutely garbage that there's like 30% of their audience is on Macs, please.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The other thing is,

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, the, so the audience is dropping year after year after year now they have this only way of counting ratings that shows even fewer people might have been watching the whole time.

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[SPEAKER_00]: If Max comes up there and just says, well, we're not going to pay you what we were paying you last time you didn't deliver the audience that we thought you were going to deliver.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then they can't come to an agreement.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They might not have a choice, but to either sign a smaller deal, or be in bad shape, because if the Warner Brothers just decides, yeah, this isn't as valuable as we thought it was and never minds the whole thing, all it takes is a change of executive to do that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And they're gonna have that, if they were to break to some point.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, there go.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then, but if Amazon doesn't want them, and Apple doesn't want them, there's no word to go.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The correct, but there's also the only other thing like there may be a point where that bubble will birth for WWE as well and all the services that are like going wild for them and that could open up something for other promotion.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Perhaps the issue with WWE, I think is what I think what TKO is trying to do and this is no insight information but with the

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[SPEAKER_00]: pumping of money that they're doing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And coming out and saying that Vince McMahon was catering to families and we're going to price the families out.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's good.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He was missing money by not charging a lot more because Vince wanted people to take the families.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know why?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Because Vince wanted another generation of wrestling fans.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So, but TKO doesn't think that way.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Clearly they're just like

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[SPEAKER_00]: And you know what I think they're trying to do Jeremy I think they are trying to pump it up I think they are fatening the pig so to speak and they are just trying to pump that thing So full of cash.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They can sell it to the Saudis for a huge profit and get out of the rest of this

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I think that's what TKO's probably trying to do.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think they want to sell it to the Saudis who seem to want it to own it anyway.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm not so naive to think that that's not impossible.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I think they're just trying to dump it for a huge profit and just say, yep, all right, where's the MMA company?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that's something we understand.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, always weirdos.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't get it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think that could be the move really is to just show all these profits and all this cash coming in to say, here you go, Saudi, and so it's all you want to make them both frustrating about like all of these companies trying to put each other out of business and you know like try to kneecap TV deal or make each other like that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Brexley is better in North America when there are two competing promotions, so we're seeing each other to be better.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You may not like what they're doing, but the effort versus if there was only one promotion that was even a remotely competitive at top would make this all so much worse.

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[SPEAKER_00]: it's one of those things where you want to tell people if you want to see how bad this can be go back to 2017 and 2018 WWE.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And just see how God awful that programming was when they weren't being pushed, when they weren't being pushed, when they could just sit back because you had to come to them and ask the wrestlers of its better, the people that have signed contracts since then because there was nowhere else to go.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So you took what WWE offered you.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We should talk about New Japan at some point, shouldn't it?

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, and it'll probably take about five minutes to talk about each show so we're just trying to pad this thing out.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, and it's well, but but this stuff's on my mind because I just think I'm catering to it because I'm fine.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I show up every Thursday and we we talk pro wrestling, mostly new Japan, but

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[SPEAKER_01]: The reality is it's quite weak in New Japan and this is situational stuff that will eventually have a fallout regarding New Japan they're going to have to respond to it in some way whether it's, you know, talent isn't all sudden going anywhere and they're looking to get a little bit more that they don't have or, you know, they're an increase in like the popularity wrestling

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[SPEAKER_00]: All of this matters and also in terms of New Japan's access to foreign talent, and that's a big deal.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, we've seen over and over again, usually the top foreigner is a very critical piece of the New Japan puzzle.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And this is going to affect that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So this all matters.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It all matters.

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[SPEAKER_00]: My promise.

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[SPEAKER_01]: All right.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, what else we got?

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[SPEAKER_01]: What else we got?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, let's see.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Do we want to let's go over the Taiichi show here?

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[SPEAKER_00]: All right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: New very quickly there's like you said there's not so ishikari they were in ishikari this is a small town on the west coast of Hokkaido the population of ishikari Jeremy 57,000

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[SPEAKER_00]: 57,000 people there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: 871 of them went into a packed gym in Ishikari.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I gotta say this look like it was pretty much while the wall people.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I want to read off is one, you know, I'm a venue nerd, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm an arena nerd, all this stuff.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The Ishikari Municipal Hanakawa Junior High School gymnasium.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So, you know, that is Taichi's middle school gym, which is where their show took place.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I guess we got the basketball hoops tucked off to the side, off to the right, really drew to the album, to the show.

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[SPEAKER_00]: and uh... it did it had a nice atmosphere to it didn't and a very old school crowd and this was share the baby faces boo the heels and they were happy to see i what are they going to be an issue car again right so you got to you know that people that were fans were we're into this thing uh... they uh... put mastery acid uh... over a j-t-o guy in the very first match yes it is a high kido guy not a chicari uh...

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[SPEAKER_00]: specific, but he's from the island of Hokkaido, so he got a win in the opener, and we're looking at a photograph here for the people who are listening to us as a podcast from the end of the show, and it is just baby-faced National here.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You got to H.E.

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[SPEAKER_00]: in the middle with U.E.

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[SPEAKER_00]: E. O. E. Moira, Takamishi, Noku, trying not to look too out of place, but it was his students, JTO, his wrestling school students who filled out the card here, so he was proud.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He was a proud dad, even though he had to stay in character.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Disferato, of course, Tana Hashie, of course.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then two legends in using the Gata and Satoshi Kajima that were part of things for everybody there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So they gave Kashima the win with a laryat and another match is a chance to see him in the Gata.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There was a JTO girls tag team match.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And again, that's their,

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not trying to be dismissive by calling it that is the name of the title.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The girls tag team title is there is their youth title.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think it's either under 23 or under 25 title, rhythm and Tomoko and Abba defeated Awe and Azusa and Abba in our fixture in real life.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yeah, yeah, they definitely are.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They're both in a startup as well for the most part.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then there was a trio's match that involves some JTO talent with Taka Hashi, Yoda, and Dikina Guy.

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[SPEAKER_00]: JTO has some talent for sure, really.

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[SPEAKER_00]: guy named Rihoma Sukamoto was the only real green guy where you just thought this guy has talent but needs a little bit more seasoning.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The others look pretty good.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Bomber Tetsuya, Thunder Masami, and, you know, one of the main JTO is a bit of a mystery.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You don't get to see their shows very much.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They don't pop up on any services only occasionally on YouTube or whatever.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So you don't get to

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[SPEAKER_00]: Since I find it was Desperado and Tana Hashi against the House of Torture, that would be Dictogo and Evil.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So, with Dictogo there, you kind of see how this went.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And it was, it was classic.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, you couldn't have been a more old school thing where it was just the heels get heat.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The baby faces make it come back and wind in the end.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, it was just, just pro wrestling 101.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So, you know, for me, like, when I was watching this show, it definitely felt like you were watching like an indie show, like you go to your local indie and there are a few stars there.

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[SPEAKER_01]: There's between that energy and the energy of going to battle in the valley with New Japan, where you got a handful of the legitimate New Japan stars.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But you also got a lot of the local talent.

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[SPEAKER_01]: People like in US, it would be like West Coast talent, that kind of guys.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But here you got the, the JTO and,

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[SPEAKER_01]: talk a whole group.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But that could the energy of the show was.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It didn't feel like the big if deal.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The crowd were pretty similar.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You draw like 1,000 to 1,500 at San Jose.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They drew 850, 900 here at the show.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The deals more intimate than it does like a big show.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And you're just

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[SPEAKER_01]: you're getting just like a very simple processing show.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And that's why I felt like it was more like an indie like an APW or your local like indie show where you're like, you're just magic down the card.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Nothing nothing nothing to complicated just your end you're out.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Let's do it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then they had a trio smash for the main event.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Tachy, talking to me, Chanoko, you way more us so son of a just four guys, just five guys, just the three guys and this one to couple of guys facing house the torture and that would be dokey sanada and Yoshinobu kind of maro.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So you had all the guys really if you look at all of all the just four guys, just five guys all the guys were in this one.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And again, class of good versus evil, Tachy did most of the selling.

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[SPEAKER_00]: House torture interference.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They brought back town of Hashi and Desparado to come back and help them out and run off the house of torture.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The bad guys in front of the home crowd to eat you rallied with the pumping bomber.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Super kick black Mifisto to win.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's exactly what it should have been.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, so the hometown guy gets the win over the evil guys in the in the hometown there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Negoton Kajima was out for the audience services speeches and afterwards to each he had a long exit.

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[SPEAKER_00]: A lot of hugs, a lot of high fives.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It seemed like he knew half the people in the crowd personally as he as he left.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So he he got to do the whole town of Hashi thing where he was going around giving hugs and wiping his sweat on the tiles.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There were some moments when he stepped away and his face kind of lit up as he saw a familiar face and he got to a couple of deep bowels to people

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[SPEAKER_00]: seemed to be his elders or perhaps former teachers or whatever, people he knew, he looked like he was having a great time and it just looked like a feel good night and a bit of a morale boost for those there because it was a crowd that was having fun was into everything and gave a very warm reception to the good guys at the end.

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[SPEAKER_00]: All you could have wanted from this,

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[SPEAKER_00]: original show that please the region did.

01:00:03.705 --> 01:00:07.894
[SPEAKER_00]: So, I'm actually thanks to this town is small enough I said only 60,000 people.

01:00:07.914 --> 01:00:12.343
[SPEAKER_00]: Taichi is listed as one of the notable people from Michigan on Wikipedia.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's on the list.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Good for him.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Along with my who's a J-pop singer.

01:00:16.833 --> 01:00:41.592
[SPEAKER_00]: uh... some uh... soccer players a uh... that's football column i know uh... but uh... some uh... football players and uh... a japanese professional baseball player uh... also is on their uh... and a drummer apparently is some uh... snowboarder and things like that to have you know is mommy bona fide do you know what's a he's name is by the way just a curious to teach you almost teach hero macke

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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, I'm really close, but I get to teach you, but it's just shortened a little bit.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Just not the R.O.

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[SPEAKER_00]: office is last name apparently, the family name anyway.

01:00:50.913 --> 01:00:54.199
[SPEAKER_00]: My, my key type, zero is his full.

01:00:55.401 --> 01:00:57.204
[SPEAKER_01]: Glad he get to the little victory laps.

01:00:57.224 --> 01:00:59.648
[SPEAKER_01]: Teach you, teach you to have been very little to do.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and I agree with you.

01:01:03.263 --> 01:01:11.337
[SPEAKER_00]: Somebody who has just had a career renaissance late in life and has just become a below figure and a really, really good worker.

01:01:11.637 --> 01:01:12.399
[SPEAKER_00]: Don't get it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I just think he's just a terrific guy.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And that wasn't always true for him.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, he's...

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[SPEAKER_00]: And it's kind of funny to look back on now that there was a time when Taichi wasn't considered one of the hardest working guys out there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think he was just a miscast as a junior.

01:01:28.241 --> 01:01:35.390
[SPEAKER_00]: He was thinner back then, but I always said the issue with Taichi wasn't that he wasn't good.

01:01:35.590 --> 01:01:45.362
[SPEAKER_00]: It was that he wasn't quick.

01:01:45.950 --> 01:01:50.935
[SPEAKER_00]: or with Kushita or with Hiromu, that's not the right mix.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's not the right mix, he's just not quick.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so when he bolted up, it wasn't that he was lazy.

01:01:58.103 --> 01:02:05.972
[SPEAKER_00]: It's just that now he's working with heavy weights and his style suited everything so much better because it really took off once he gave up on the idea of being a junior.

01:02:06.012 --> 01:02:11.097
[SPEAKER_00]: I once they allowed him to, whichever one came first, whether he went to New Japan or New Japan, went to him.

01:02:11.077 --> 01:02:19.348
[SPEAKER_00]: However, did it correct decision because now he's a bona fide star and someone who can draw almost a thousand basically off of just being in the main event in some town.

01:02:20.543 --> 01:02:37.365
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, speaking of finding the right meant some juniors for that division, we have the Super Junior Tag League, the first night of which is in the books, but the majority of this tournament is going to happen over the course of this next week.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So not only really has no to review, we're really gonna have to map this one out over the next 30 minutes before we get out of here.

01:02:45.014 --> 01:02:47.918
[SPEAKER_01]: We didn't kind of quickly last week,

01:02:48.269 --> 01:02:55.176
[SPEAKER_01]: They're five matches in each block by the time like the weekend over the half we're going to be halfway through.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You want to get to it?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I do.

01:02:59.316 --> 01:03:01.279
[SPEAKER_00]: Let's get to a couple of comments very quickly, though.

01:03:01.339 --> 01:03:05.065
[SPEAKER_00]: Colin mentioned the analysis should be permanently and started by the way, they're both awesome.

01:03:05.385 --> 01:03:08.590
[SPEAKER_00]: I think they are too, and Azusa is what still a teenager.

01:03:08.971 --> 01:03:15.300
[SPEAKER_00]: And it's just, again, part of that wave of young talent that that startup has in front of it, and they're very good.

01:03:15.320 --> 01:03:17.403
[SPEAKER_00]: JTO, it keep an eye on these guys.

01:03:17.544 --> 01:03:26.477
[SPEAKER_00]: I think a lot of these guys are going to be popping up in bigger promotions soon, because I said, only that one guy

01:03:26.457 --> 01:03:33.384
[SPEAKER_00]: uh, look like he was still kind of learning the dance steps a little bit was a little green, but uh, what he did do was fine.

01:03:33.404 --> 01:03:35.126
[SPEAKER_00]: Just needs to, needs to grow a little bit.

01:03:35.186 --> 01:03:49.320
[SPEAKER_00]: Nick is saying, when I got an NJPW in late 2010s, uh, during the late 2010s boom, I didn't care for Taiichi and I fell off after COVID and it wasn't until getting back into NJPW the last two years that I really grew to appreciate him.

01:03:50.301 --> 01:03:53.865
[SPEAKER_00]: I think what Nick just described here is kind of the career arc for the dude.

01:03:53.845 --> 01:04:03.074
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I mean, I think maybe for maybe for me and some of the people who stayed around during COVID, I think it was during the pandemic that he really started to blossom.

01:04:03.535 --> 01:04:09.841
[SPEAKER_00]: It was when he got in there with the bruzers, like E. Shee and and who else am I thinking of there.

01:04:09.901 --> 01:04:12.804
[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe maybe go to go to would bring it out of him a little bit.

01:04:13.465 --> 01:04:21.473
[SPEAKER_00]: You started to see hints that, you know what, there's more here than I thought there was, but you will have that tactic tournament, Red Floor, in those here too, like you

01:04:21.453 --> 01:04:31.593
[SPEAKER_01]: But he really showed out when he had like a, he had an arc of multiple matches that allowed him to show a little bit of range and give him some wins and losses.

01:04:31.914 --> 01:04:34.539
[SPEAKER_01]: That's when he was really able to shine.

01:04:34.559 --> 01:04:43.917
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think I like to say about Taichi is that a lot of people punch out of their weight class, but Taichi is the rare person who actually punched into a weight class.

01:04:44.487 --> 01:04:44.988
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.

01:04:45.029 --> 01:04:45.269
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

01:04:45.650 --> 01:04:46.473
[SPEAKER_00]: That's a good way to put it.

01:04:46.513 --> 01:04:46.914
[SPEAKER_00]: I like that.

01:04:47.656 --> 01:04:48.578
[SPEAKER_00]: I'll tell you another thing.

01:04:48.618 --> 01:04:53.873
[SPEAKER_00]: Nick that I liked and everybody that I liked about Tahichi before

01:04:54.258 --> 01:05:05.814
[SPEAKER_00]: He really cut on in this, when he was still with Mihoe Abe, you know, he'd bring out the former Miss Universe contestant to be, and she played this character that was, uh, it was his muse as a singer and all this kind of stuff.

01:05:05.854 --> 01:05:08.237
[SPEAKER_00]: And then she was just totally in love with Tahiti and things.

01:05:08.557 --> 01:05:13.784
[SPEAKER_00]: And they had a terrific act and, and he was a heel, like this, he wasn't Suzuki Gunn back then.

01:05:14.525 --> 01:05:19.472
[SPEAKER_00]: It was one of the few heel relationships that didn't

01:05:19.452 --> 01:05:24.981
[SPEAKER_00]: play to the idea of being a toxic or abusive relationship, right?

01:05:25.001 --> 01:05:39.825
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, Randy Savage always hinted that he was violent toward Elizabeth off-screen just to make you hate him and every other kind of heel thing, one of them would sell the other down the river in a pinch, right?

01:05:39.845 --> 01:05:41.147
[SPEAKER_00]: It was always that kind of thing.

01:05:41.568 --> 01:05:45.915
[SPEAKER_00]: But when dangerous techers won the tag team titles,

01:05:46.199 --> 01:05:48.203
[SPEAKER_00]: He didn't just ignore her.

01:05:48.324 --> 01:05:50.127
[SPEAKER_00]: Now that he had finally reached that summit.

01:05:50.147 --> 01:05:52.352
[SPEAKER_00]: He, you know, and she hugged him.

01:05:52.412 --> 01:05:55.419
[SPEAKER_00]: He was smiling and hugging her, walked out with his arm around her.

01:05:55.439 --> 01:05:59.247
[SPEAKER_00]: You got the idea that even though they were heels, they actually liked each other.

01:05:59.412 --> 01:06:00.974
[SPEAKER_00]: And it was just so different and wrestling.

01:06:00.994 --> 01:06:01.915
[SPEAKER_00]: Just didn't see it like that.

01:06:01.955 --> 01:06:06.902
[SPEAKER_00]: No, those relationships are always portrayed as borderline abusive on the heel side.

01:06:07.462 --> 01:06:12.429
[SPEAKER_00]: And yet, she's over there genuinely happy for them and they're happy with her and all this stuff.

01:06:12.689 --> 01:06:15.333
[SPEAKER_00]: Collins asking whatever happened to Mihoe, they kind of cut back on that.

01:06:15.373 --> 01:06:19.077
[SPEAKER_00]: So you don't see Peter very much with Yuzhiro Takahashi.

01:06:19.738 --> 01:06:28.069
[SPEAKER_00]: Mihoe ended up getting to slightly, not severely, slightly more adult stuff that maybe New Japan didn't want to really be,

01:06:28.049 --> 01:06:28.890
[SPEAKER_00]: a part of.

01:06:29.591 --> 01:06:34.517
[SPEAKER_00]: So I'll leave you to look through her old Twitter for some of that stuff, but it's not safe for work.

01:06:35.218 --> 01:06:40.584
[SPEAKER_00]: And I think she just kind of went a different career direction rather than being part of the New Japan thing.

01:06:40.745 --> 01:06:45.751
[SPEAKER_00]: Just kind of went to a slightly more adult direction that maybe they weren't totally comfortable with.

01:06:45.971 --> 01:06:49.315
[SPEAKER_01]: So I call that not safe for marriage.

01:06:49.750 --> 01:06:50.292
[SPEAKER_00]: There you go.

01:06:50.432 --> 01:06:51.034
[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe that's it.

01:06:51.055 --> 01:06:54.346
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, although Peter never was safe for work, but they brought her out all the time.

01:06:54.426 --> 01:06:59.845
[SPEAKER_01]: But I'll literally like dressed up like a playboy bunny and then draw your own conclusion.

01:07:00.719 --> 01:07:23.689
[SPEAKER_00]: has a yeah she's uh well anyway Peter uh she's she's still around though uh every once in a while and you look at that she's gonna she needs a champion stuff yeah she was yeah so she's she still pops up every now and then but uh yeah she took 30 for show hey while it was that what it was yeah yeah she was super thirsty for if you like hey she he's the hands of man I take it all like oh okay

01:07:24.158 --> 01:07:26.022
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, the handsome battle royal, of course, right.

01:07:26.102 --> 01:07:26.283
[SPEAKER_00]: Right.

01:07:26.303 --> 01:07:26.583
[SPEAKER_00]: Right.

01:07:27.205 --> 01:07:27.526
[SPEAKER_00]: All right.

01:07:27.586 --> 01:07:30.332
[SPEAKER_00]: So that one of the super junior tournament tag team tournament took place at Corko and Hall.

01:07:30.352 --> 01:07:38.370
[SPEAKER_00]: And I made a little joke that not too many people noticed, but, uh, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know,

01:07:38.485 --> 01:07:40.808
[SPEAKER_00]: Jeremy, 1,056.

01:07:41.188 --> 01:07:44.432
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that's a week, Corrican Hall crowd, boy.

01:07:44.892 --> 01:07:46.274
[SPEAKER_00]: And they're back there again tomorrow.

01:07:46.574 --> 01:07:49.197
[SPEAKER_00]: So this could be interesting to see how we're doing.

01:07:49.317 --> 01:07:51.760
[SPEAKER_01]: You watch that show, you get why they didn't show up.

01:07:52.321 --> 01:07:52.901
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, boy.

01:07:53.322 --> 01:07:54.864
[SPEAKER_00]: All right, so let's talk about it.

01:07:54.924 --> 01:07:56.105
[SPEAKER_00]: We had it one preview match.

01:07:56.125 --> 01:07:59.469
[SPEAKER_00]: So again, there are only 10 teams in the tournament, two blocks of five.

01:07:59.889 --> 01:08:03.193
[SPEAKER_00]: So five matches takes care of the entire field.

01:08:03.173 --> 01:08:04.415
[SPEAKER_00]: They needed to throw something in.

01:08:04.515 --> 01:08:10.704
[SPEAKER_00]: And we got a little bit of a preview of the Geefu match between Yoda, Sushi, and Hiroshi, Tana, Hashi, to kick things off.

01:08:10.724 --> 01:08:14.470
[SPEAKER_00]: So Shingo teamed up with Yoda to face Tana, Hashi.

01:08:14.851 --> 01:08:17.715
[SPEAKER_00]: And it was supposed to be Katsuya, Marashima.

01:08:18.075 --> 01:08:24.405
[SPEAKER_00]: However, we found that the Marashima got the flu, and he was replaced by Zane J.

01:08:24.385 --> 01:08:30.854
[SPEAKER_00]: In the end, uh, it was a, uh, the war special from Shingo Takagi, which is a movie doesn't do very often.

01:08:31.154 --> 01:08:34.259
[SPEAKER_00]: Didn't even bother to bring out last of the dragon or anything.

01:08:35.160 --> 01:08:39.126
[SPEAKER_00]: And uh, got the submission on that magic angel career.

01:08:40.027 --> 01:08:41.048
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I suppose it was.

01:08:41.329 --> 01:08:44.794
[SPEAKER_00]: It was cool to see him in there with Shingo, and he had to be excited about being in there.

01:08:44.814 --> 01:08:45.234
[SPEAKER_01]: Absolutely.

01:08:45.394 --> 01:08:46.596
[SPEAKER_01]: He was motivated.

01:08:46.795 --> 01:08:52.254
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so I mean, do you want to go over the, there's only one show so we just go over the matches and then do the standings, you think?

01:08:52.475 --> 01:08:53.277
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, look at that.

01:08:53.398 --> 01:08:54.381
[SPEAKER_01]: What a, okay.

01:08:54.401 --> 01:08:59.539
[SPEAKER_01]: I got the, I had the standings and then I had the schedule, we just kind of map out the apex.

01:09:00.059 --> 01:09:19.283
[SPEAKER_00]: All right, so the first match of the tournament was the champions, Doki and show they let off against United Empire this being Jacob Austin young and ten plario so Francesco Akira was doing commentary with Chris Charlton and if you want to know what's going on with United Empire

01:09:19.263 --> 01:09:29.981
[SPEAKER_00]: If there was anything that commentary told me, Jeremy, is that the wrestlers don't know either, because Francesco Akira had no idea what to say to Chris Charles, and when he asked about United Empire.

01:09:30.762 --> 01:09:33.446
[SPEAKER_00]: And it wasn't a language barrier thing.

01:09:33.506 --> 01:09:38.274
[SPEAKER_00]: Akira's English is pretty solid, but it's clear that they don't know the direction yet either.

01:09:38.695 --> 01:09:42.601
[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm sure that maybe the front office has one, especially concerning O'Conan things.

01:09:43.323 --> 01:09:44.865
[SPEAKER_00]: But, um,

01:09:44.845 --> 01:09:48.792
[SPEAKER_00]: they pointed in zero directions and gave zero hints.

01:09:49.473 --> 01:09:53.019
[SPEAKER_00]: If there is a direction for United Empire, I don't think I care as in on it yet.

01:09:53.920 --> 01:09:55.403
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think anybody's in on it.

01:09:55.663 --> 01:09:56.445
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think so either.

01:09:56.905 --> 01:10:02.395
[SPEAKER_01]: TJP is now doing a coaching at the performance center, so he wasn't brought back for this one.

01:10:02.916 --> 01:10:06.762
[SPEAKER_01]: This definitely feels like the budget version of the Superchinger tag league.

01:10:07.443 --> 01:10:09.587
[SPEAKER_01]: You have a lot of

01:10:10.023 --> 01:10:12.205
[SPEAKER_01]: an expensive talent to bring forward.

01:10:12.505 --> 01:10:17.009
[SPEAKER_01]: And also you've got to cure a doing commentary rather than walker being flown out.

01:10:17.750 --> 01:10:25.396
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, so there are certain cues here that make you think they're like, they are just doing shows to fulfill programming at this point.

01:10:26.257 --> 01:10:39.068
[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm not necessarily sure even the winner of this tournament is going to have like a direct through line to rest looking

01:10:39.470 --> 01:10:41.031
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I think that's probably true.

01:10:41.592 --> 01:10:49.459
[SPEAKER_00]: Anyway, in the first match, House of Torchard defeated United Empire, the Tempilario got a nice showcase in this match.

01:10:49.499 --> 01:10:52.102
[SPEAKER_00]: That's really what this match was is the way to show off Tempilario.

01:10:52.322 --> 01:10:53.163
[SPEAKER_00]: Good guy to show off.

01:10:53.243 --> 01:10:54.444
[SPEAKER_00]: He's a outstanding, of course.

01:10:54.904 --> 01:11:00.770
[SPEAKER_00]: But Doki ended up winning it with his backslide, his feet up on the ropes, a referee Sakamoto didn't see it.

01:11:00.890 --> 01:11:09.358
[SPEAKER_00]: It was a decent enough match to start the tournament off, but they were keeping things moving, most of these matches until the last two were hovered

01:11:09.642 --> 01:11:12.124
[SPEAKER_01]: They don't competitive, but it also didn't feel like much.

01:11:12.144 --> 01:11:12.845
[SPEAKER_01]: Kind of that weird.

01:11:12.865 --> 01:11:19.231
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, hey, we're gonna warm you up for the tournament and then they expect the entire show warming you up.

01:11:19.251 --> 01:11:21.133
[SPEAKER_00]: Collins asking why was Walker not there?

01:11:21.273 --> 01:11:24.275
[SPEAKER_00]: I think it was because they just didn't fly him out for it.

01:11:24.356 --> 01:11:28.239
[SPEAKER_00]: I think he's gonna be back for Gifu as my impression.

01:11:28.279 --> 01:11:32.463
[SPEAKER_00]: But I don't think that they put Walker, I just don't think they wanted to pay Walker to be there.

01:11:32.883 --> 01:11:34.305
[SPEAKER_00]: And that's not an insult to Walker.

01:11:34.625 --> 01:11:37.928
[SPEAKER_00]: Like Jeremy said, this is kind of being done on a shoe string budget.

01:11:38.026 --> 01:11:42.310
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, this doesn't feel like a whole lot of money is being dumped into this tournament.

01:11:42.391 --> 01:11:46.775
[SPEAKER_01]: We remember Ninja Maclos looks to be in this, and then he's like, I'm not in this tournament anymore.

01:11:46.795 --> 01:11:57.506
[SPEAKER_01]: So, at some point, they're like, we're not getting a whole lot of sales for this show, we're gonna kinda, you know, delve scale a little bit.

01:11:57.566 --> 01:12:04.333
[SPEAKER_00]: And you got dragons, gate guys, and a couple and some DDT talent in here, and things and guys who are happy to feel like a character work, you know?

01:12:04.353 --> 01:12:07.797
[SPEAKER_01]: It's like we have a couple of matches, and then it's just all character stuff.

01:12:07.945 --> 01:12:21.901
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, you're right, and some of these teams are more about I'm trying to think like you said character work is a good way to put it, but it's not so much each of these blocks feels like there are two teams that are actually contending and everybody else is telling a side story.

01:12:22.201 --> 01:12:28.889
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, like you've already, Matt, you've already kind of sniffed out where this is going kind of to get it.

01:12:28.909 --> 01:12:32.012
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's the middle school version of a complex tournament.

01:12:32.802 --> 01:12:36.246
[SPEAKER_00]: Up next, we have the Bullock World War Dogs against House of Torture.

01:12:36.266 --> 01:12:38.329
[SPEAKER_00]: That's Dictogo and Yoshinobu kind of Maro.

01:12:38.749 --> 01:12:43.936
[SPEAKER_00]: The War Dogs team ishimori and Robbie X, excellent tag team that those two have been together.

01:12:44.236 --> 01:12:46.018
[SPEAKER_00]: Not very many matches, but boy they're good.

01:12:46.739 --> 01:13:02.438
[SPEAKER_00]: This gave it way early is that after House of Torture won the first match, it was all House of Torture early in this one and most of the match, which meant you know it was common, which we were going to get the big baby face comeback and sure enough.

01:13:02.840 --> 01:13:04.285
[SPEAKER_00]: getting locked in double submissions.

01:13:04.807 --> 01:13:13.018
[SPEAKER_00]: There was a very simple baby face rally come back Robbie X had a big move off the top on the Dictogo and got the baby face win in 10 minutes.

01:13:13.910 --> 01:13:17.895
[SPEAKER_01]: The whole ward on the big baby faces is still a little weird.

01:13:17.915 --> 01:13:20.479
[SPEAKER_01]: Like there's an out now like good guys here.

01:13:20.879 --> 01:13:22.141
[SPEAKER_01]: We're looking much to the match.

01:13:22.161 --> 01:13:23.022
[SPEAKER_01]: Do you see about a speed?

01:13:23.243 --> 01:13:24.124
[SPEAKER_01]: Good amount of work rate.

01:13:24.524 --> 01:13:27.889
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, I like seeing Robbie F's a baby face.

01:13:28.149 --> 01:13:29.551
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, the baby face and peril move.

01:13:29.972 --> 01:13:31.213
[SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, spot for him.

01:13:31.253 --> 01:13:33.136
[SPEAKER_01]: Actually worked out really, really well.

01:13:33.216 --> 01:13:37.442
[SPEAKER_01]: So I feel like we're gonna get a little bit of kicking the tires on that.

01:13:37.542 --> 01:13:42.769
[SPEAKER_01]: And this may not be for a long time, but this whole baby face, we're not gonna be here for a good time.

01:13:43.323 --> 01:13:45.965
[SPEAKER_00]: Remember, you got to be careful with that phrase, Jeremy, you kicked the tires too hard.

01:13:45.985 --> 01:13:47.126
[SPEAKER_00]: Clark Conner's going to come after you.

01:13:47.527 --> 01:13:49.368
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, we'll go to the press right now.

01:13:49.388 --> 01:13:51.650
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, we'll sign tires on this, still there.

01:13:52.591 --> 01:13:55.074
[SPEAKER_00]: Speaking of, yes, he was in the next match.

01:13:55.554 --> 01:13:57.836
[SPEAKER_00]: Now, this was the character work we talked about.

01:13:57.856 --> 01:14:00.038
[SPEAKER_00]: This next match was mostly character work.

01:14:00.058 --> 01:14:07.004
[SPEAKER_00]: So you had the Mishmash that is unafiliated and wardogs, where they had a member of each faction on each side.

01:14:07.064 --> 01:14:13.330
[SPEAKER_00]: So wardog ghetto with unafiliated heromo

01:14:13.310 --> 01:14:16.376
[SPEAKER_00]: facing Clark Connors and Dikey Nagai.

01:14:17.558 --> 01:14:23.168
[SPEAKER_00]: And this was, early offense was Haromu, basically, whipping ghetto into guys.

01:14:23.228 --> 01:14:26.114
[SPEAKER_00]: And this was all about Haromu and Ghetto and how they would get along.

01:14:26.715 --> 01:14:34.930
[SPEAKER_00]: They tease the dissension when Haromu hit a superkick, but the, it was Nagai got out of the way and he clobbered Ghetto.

01:14:34.910 --> 01:14:41.504
[SPEAKER_00]: But when they got up in each other's faces and her Romo grabbed his beard and all that geto called for Connors to help him.

01:14:41.524 --> 01:14:54.673
[SPEAKER_00]: When Connors went over to help geto and they went, you know, war dogs for life, geto pulled Connors aside with his arm around him while her Romo grabbed the geto clutch on daking a guy and pinned him while Connors was distracted.

01:14:55.345 --> 01:15:04.001
[SPEAKER_00]: Uh, so it was one of those things where the violence veterans, the wily veterans outfoxed the young guys and uh, and got the win.

01:15:04.422 --> 01:15:09.972
[SPEAKER_00]: And then there was kind of a funny thing afterwards where ghetto was, you know, just saying, oh, I, I didn't mean to do all that.

01:15:09.992 --> 01:15:17.085
[SPEAKER_00]: Thank you for helping me out, you know, we're, we're, we're bros. And then he would kind of turn over to her home and kind of give him the thumbs up like, hey, we got him, didn't we?

01:15:17.105 --> 01:15:18.788
[SPEAKER_00]: Uh, so.

01:15:18.768 --> 01:15:20.890
[SPEAKER_00]: a little bit of silliness, a little bit of character work.

01:15:20.910 --> 01:15:21.972
[SPEAKER_00]: I think that's going to be the story.

01:15:22.012 --> 01:15:34.526
[SPEAKER_00]: The tournament is Toromo and Ghetto, kind of being this wacky ad couple team that either lives by the sort of dice by the sword, but is going to be doing their tricks.

01:15:34.606 --> 01:15:35.327
[SPEAKER_00]: They're little tricks.

01:15:35.387 --> 01:15:48.201
[SPEAKER_00]: They'll get those little bits of hook and crook to get wins, and then sometimes it's going to work sometimes it's not, but it'll always be interesting to see how they try to trick the other team.

01:15:48.181 --> 01:15:55.849
[SPEAKER_01]: This was stupid, this was fun, this was silly, this was exactly what I expected their hormone ghetto mattress to be like in this tournament.

01:15:56.710 --> 01:16:09.323
[SPEAKER_01]: The one thing that I will say is, I wasn't expecting their chemistry to be such where, when this is all said and done, and eventually ghetto, you know, get a turn heel again and, you know, niche fan needs a thorn.

01:16:10.044 --> 01:16:11.826
[SPEAKER_01]: I kind of want her home to go with it.

01:16:12.937 --> 01:16:31.261
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it might be a good change of pace for her, you know, just kind of make him that kind of wildly like old school villain that hold everyone down in the junior heavyweight division, kind of a little change of pace and whatever like idea of a faction they have for heels, like traditional heels that aren't house to torture.

01:16:32.683 --> 01:16:36.188
[SPEAKER_01]: And I feel like a good next chapter for her only that can kind of reinvigorate him.

01:16:36.589 --> 01:16:39.973
[SPEAKER_01]: And what I was watching as much doubt was what I doubt what I was trying to think about.

01:16:40.763 --> 01:16:58.485
[SPEAKER_00]: It might be a smart move because with herromo's injuries and age, both piling up over the last, especially the injuries over the last several years, you know, herromo might need to move toward the wily veteran thing rather than competing those super early all the time.

01:16:59.917 --> 01:17:05.805
[SPEAKER_00]: After that, when we had Kushida and Yuki Yoshioca, this is one of the guys from the gate.

01:17:05.825 --> 01:17:07.848
[SPEAKER_00]: They're defeating Tiger Mask and Yamato.

01:17:08.909 --> 01:17:11.933
[SPEAKER_00]: That's Dragon Skate Guy, Yoshio Yoshio.

01:17:13.475 --> 01:17:18.242
[SPEAKER_00]: Usually the tag team partner of Dragon Dia by the way, in that promotion, this was my surprise.

01:17:18.262 --> 01:17:20.625
[SPEAKER_00]: And they face Tiger Mask and Yamato.

01:17:20.605 --> 01:17:23.009
[SPEAKER_00]: Our bar finish, Koshita beat Tiger Mask here.

01:17:23.329 --> 01:17:26.234
[SPEAKER_00]: The focus was again on the new guys and that was a pattern most of the night.

01:17:26.314 --> 01:17:33.145
[SPEAKER_00]: You see that in New Japan tournaments whenever there's somebody new or a guest coming in for a tournament.

01:17:33.305 --> 01:17:35.889
[SPEAKER_00]: The first night, they really put the shine on them.

01:17:35.909 --> 01:17:38.173
[SPEAKER_00]: Just show you that, hey, look at what we got new guy.

01:17:38.874 --> 01:17:41.618
[SPEAKER_00]: And that's what you Kiyoshioka and Yamada were doing in this one.

01:17:41.638 --> 01:17:42.600
[SPEAKER_00]: They carried most of this.

01:17:43.261 --> 01:17:44.583
[SPEAKER_00]: And the new guys did well.

01:17:44.703 --> 01:17:47.187
[SPEAKER_00]: And I'll tell you what, Jeremy Koshita,

01:17:47.167 --> 01:17:53.534
[SPEAKER_00]: Not only looks Agile, he looks exactly the same age, he looks the same as he did 15 years ago.

01:17:54.055 --> 01:17:57.920
[SPEAKER_00]: He doesn't necessarily work exactly the same, but he's still pretty spray.

01:17:58.400 --> 01:18:06.910
[SPEAKER_00]: He's still pretty agile, and just doesn't seem to age at the same rate as other humans.

01:18:07.571 --> 01:18:11.115
[SPEAKER_01]: It's weird that the guy at the time machine was the usual way.

01:18:11.770 --> 01:18:14.014
[SPEAKER_00]: It's becoming more apropos all the time though.

01:18:14.034 --> 01:18:21.207
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, there's there is just the same as he did like 10 years ago, and he wrestles a style that allows him here.

01:18:21.227 --> 01:18:33.289
[SPEAKER_01]: He's not as fast as he used to be, you know, he's not he doesn't jump at high, but the things that he can do well like that stuff is almost you know, evergreen.

01:18:33.742 --> 01:18:55.902
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and he's smart about working the MMA and submission stuff in because you don't need the least he's just not as explosive as he used to be, but you don't have to be when you know how to work the submissions and things so he's very smart about them.

01:18:56.000 --> 01:18:57.262
[SPEAKER_00]: a lot of comedy here.

01:18:57.783 --> 01:19:04.553
[SPEAKER_00]: And a lot of it was, you know, if you like to Gucci, you love this match because it was a lot of to Gucci whacking us.

01:19:05.314 --> 01:19:15.931
[SPEAKER_00]: It was also worked at a pretty slow pace, I thought, like a lot of the first part of the match was just very slow pace, just not hurrying, not running a lot, not doing a lot.

01:19:16.792 --> 01:19:21.720
[SPEAKER_00]: And till Dragon die, I picked it up a little bit later, the last couple of minutes of this, which went 17 minutes.

01:19:21.700 --> 01:19:26.486
[SPEAKER_00]: the last couple of minutes were good, but I think you can probably skip the first 15 and still get the idea.

01:19:27.307 --> 01:19:38.140
[SPEAKER_00]: Watch O'Neill won this one with a double team move, it was a kick to the back, and then a form of the Ushigaroshi that Yoh landed, and got the pin on Dragon Ball.

01:19:38.321 --> 01:19:43.607
[SPEAKER_01]: I'll get below, like a falcon arrow, but I kick to the back when you're delivering it.

01:19:44.208 --> 01:19:45.690
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that's what Chris called it.

01:19:45.790 --> 01:19:46.891
[SPEAKER_00]: So there you go.

01:19:46.911 --> 01:19:51.437
[SPEAKER_00]: Again, watch O'Neill, one of the teams we actually

01:19:51.417 --> 01:20:08.948
[SPEAKER_01]: Most of the other teams have a guy you can kind of see taking thinfalls the weird thing about this is this feels like a mid middle of the tournament match where a guy is kind of getting a night off, but it was also the same and it was also the first night of the tournament.

01:20:09.189 --> 01:20:14.438
[SPEAKER_01]: So it it felt like Yo and water were in

01:20:14.907 --> 01:20:19.379
[SPEAKER_01]: working it hard because they knew they had a harder night coming up.

01:20:19.680 --> 01:20:26.638
[SPEAKER_01]: But being on the semi-main kind of sorry, he got to go to work guys.

01:20:27.074 --> 01:20:32.523
[SPEAKER_00]: They're big A block match will be against Dokey and show, you know, that one's going to matter.

01:20:33.625 --> 01:20:40.677
[SPEAKER_00]: I think by the way, Jacob Austin, young and templario against yo and water will probably be sneaky good, just because of everybody involved.

01:20:40.938 --> 01:20:46.367
[SPEAKER_00]: And then, you know, they also have, you know, counters in the guy will also probably be a pretty decent match.

01:20:46.387 --> 01:20:51.816
[SPEAKER_00]: But really, that's, it's a one match tournament for Wato and yo and it's against champ Stokey and show.

01:20:52.606 --> 01:20:59.503
[SPEAKER_00]: All right, we got one more to go before we preview the rest of each of our sweet boys, Jose Fujian and Robbie Eagles face Elvis Barado and Kukai.

01:20:59.563 --> 01:21:00.325
[SPEAKER_00]: This is the main event.

01:21:00.365 --> 01:21:03.954
[SPEAKER_00]: When almost 20 minutes, it was the best match of the night, although that's mostly by default.

01:21:04.456 --> 01:21:06.541
[SPEAKER_00]: As the others weren't really trying to be all that great.

01:21:06.962 --> 01:21:07.864
[SPEAKER_00]: But I showed up.

01:21:08.283 --> 01:21:08.664
[SPEAKER_00]: They did.

01:21:08.684 --> 01:21:09.706
[SPEAKER_00]: It was a good match.

01:21:10.087 --> 01:21:11.189
[SPEAKER_00]: The pin was on Kukai.

01:21:11.690 --> 01:21:18.245
[SPEAKER_00]: They have a new finisher, which I can barely even describe, but it looked pretty nasty and that it was safe.

01:21:18.285 --> 01:21:18.766
[SPEAKER_00]: It was safe.

01:21:18.846 --> 01:21:19.448
[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm not trying to do it.

01:21:19.468 --> 01:21:23.777
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, it's like they were both holding him for a time bomb and dropping him.

01:21:24.500 --> 01:21:27.725
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and they did it in a way that was safe, but I don't know the name of this one.

01:21:27.765 --> 01:21:29.788
[SPEAKER_00]: I would maybe Chris will have it for the next time.

01:21:30.128 --> 01:21:34.735
[SPEAKER_00]: The other thing I noticed Jeremy going against type, no upsets on day one, really.

01:21:34.775 --> 01:21:38.600
[SPEAKER_00]: It's that the teams you thought would win all these matches want them.

01:21:38.620 --> 01:21:40.663
[SPEAKER_00]: But again, five tournament matches.

01:21:40.703 --> 01:21:44.128
[SPEAKER_00]: You can't really put a team behind the eight ball too much.

01:21:44.108 --> 01:21:48.093
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, because, you know, the tournament will be awkward, you don't have as many matches for them to come back.

01:21:48.153 --> 01:21:56.964
[SPEAKER_01]: So, uh, yeah, what they felt like they were the chalk winner, but also to set up some math or the very end.

01:21:57.464 --> 01:21:59.066
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, that's very true.

01:21:59.707 --> 01:22:08.057
[SPEAKER_00]: So, uh, looking ahead, here's what's coming up this week, a very busy week of Junior Tag Action Friday, October 24th tomorrow.

01:22:08.037 --> 01:22:09.479
[SPEAKER_00]: Corrigan, Corrigan Hall again.

01:22:09.860 --> 01:22:17.029
[SPEAKER_00]: Dragon Daya and Taguchi will face show in Dokey, Yoshioka and Koshita versus Robbie X and Taijiishi ishi mori.

01:22:17.049 --> 01:22:18.471
[SPEAKER_00]: Good very well be the best match.

01:22:18.531 --> 01:22:20.234
[SPEAKER_00]: That is the semifinal.

01:22:20.795 --> 01:22:29.767
[SPEAKER_00]: It's another show where all five teams, all five matches will be tournament matches, all 10 teams getting a second match in.

01:22:29.887 --> 01:22:31.449
[SPEAKER_00]: So, busy night at Corrigan.

01:22:31.649 --> 01:22:32.070
[SPEAKER_00]: Ben.

01:22:33.265 --> 01:22:36.372
[SPEAKER_00]: we will move on to Saturday in Saitama.

01:22:36.392 --> 01:22:40.501
[SPEAKER_00]: So, okay, let's look at the little look at the teams there.

01:22:41.483 --> 01:22:44.168
[SPEAKER_00]: Basically, again, yo and master water with two points.

01:22:44.189 --> 01:22:45.732
[SPEAKER_00]: Herumone, ghetto have two points.

01:22:46.173 --> 01:22:49.039
[SPEAKER_00]: Show and doke you have two points in the A block.

01:22:49.460 --> 01:22:51.865
[SPEAKER_00]: So that's what we've got there.

01:22:51.845 --> 01:22:56.651
[SPEAKER_00]: And then looking ahead, mentioned again at Corkon, Saturday, Saitama.

01:22:56.811 --> 01:23:00.535
[SPEAKER_00]: So staying in the Tokyo Metro area, it'll be ghetto in Heromo versus Show in Dokey.

01:23:01.016 --> 01:23:04.980
[SPEAKER_00]: Why don't we know versus Tempilario and Young should be pretty good.

01:23:05.661 --> 01:23:11.628
[SPEAKER_01]: On to today and to show that we'll air immediately after this show airs.

01:23:12.349 --> 01:23:13.710
[SPEAKER_01]: And our all block matches.

01:23:13.790 --> 01:23:17.475
[SPEAKER_01]: And then everything after that is just a block or a block or a block or a block or a block.

01:23:17.495 --> 01:23:17.835
[SPEAKER_01]: Great.

01:23:18.237 --> 01:23:20.220
[SPEAKER_00]: I think it's kind of alternating a little bit more.

01:23:20.280 --> 01:23:30.438
[SPEAKER_00]: It's like three tournament matches a night because again with the five tournament matches per Round so it's bacon doesn't balance out, but it's a block one night.

01:23:30.498 --> 01:23:31.780
[SPEAKER_01]: Be blocked the other on me.

01:23:32.080 --> 01:23:33.082
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't believe it is.

01:23:33.583 --> 01:23:35.025
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to look at that.

01:23:35.045 --> 01:23:36.267
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I'm going to look at that right here.

01:23:36.448 --> 01:23:40.735
[SPEAKER_01]: So so the B block will end on November 1.

01:23:40.917 --> 01:23:47.647
[SPEAKER_01]: with the, and then the A block actually end on the 30th.

01:23:47.667 --> 01:23:49.089
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, I see your point.

01:23:49.209 --> 01:23:51.472
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, I say, okay, excuse me, Jeremy, I see what you mean.

01:23:51.793 --> 01:23:53.195
[SPEAKER_00]: There will not be both blocks.

01:23:53.235 --> 01:23:58.382
[SPEAKER_00]: It'll be, there'll be A block action or B block action on every.

01:23:58.462 --> 01:23:59.163
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's okay.

01:23:59.183 --> 01:23:59.864
[SPEAKER_00]: I see what you're saying.

01:23:59.884 --> 01:24:01.086
[SPEAKER_00]: I've stumbled over that.

01:24:01.106 --> 01:24:01.527
[SPEAKER_00]: But you're right.

01:24:01.547 --> 01:24:01.767
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.

01:24:02.008 --> 01:24:04.171
[SPEAKER_00]: It's, uh, yeah.

01:24:04.191 --> 01:24:04.291
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.

01:24:04.311 --> 01:24:10.620
[SPEAKER_01]: So you can kind of math it out.

01:24:12.322 --> 01:24:16.390
[SPEAKER_01]: The A block matches might not be as good as the B block matches.

01:24:16.691 --> 01:24:27.933
[SPEAKER_01]: I think the A block is going to end up being a little bit more spoken mirrors in order to show like that final night with dokey and show versus a yellow and master water.

01:24:28.434 --> 01:24:32.963
[SPEAKER_01]: I think it's going to be one of the best matches in the tournament, but.

01:24:34.580 --> 01:24:39.205
[SPEAKER_01]: There go a whole lot to get to that point that I'm not necessarily sure about.

01:24:39.745 --> 01:24:45.050
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, the way earlier I said that there were there are five tournament matches that there are 12 teams.

01:24:45.150 --> 01:24:52.237
[SPEAKER_00]: I said 10 teams in the tournament that's wrong that the math that math ain't math and there are 12 teams which means they have five tournament matches.

01:24:52.277 --> 01:24:55.280
[SPEAKER_00]: Sorry, I barely haven't had the caffeine and I need to do this table.

01:24:55.300 --> 01:24:57.763
[SPEAKER_01]: I applaud you holding yourself accountable in my mind.

01:24:57.823 --> 01:24:58.684
[SPEAKER_01]: Everything makes sense.

01:24:58.784 --> 01:24:59.564
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, that's just fine.

01:24:59.584 --> 01:25:00.165
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, good.

01:25:00.145 --> 01:25:03.893
[SPEAKER_00]: 12 teams, five tournament matches.

01:25:03.933 --> 01:25:04.353
[SPEAKER_00]: There he goes.

01:25:04.394 --> 01:25:11.488
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, in the Ableau here, it comes down to that match with the yo and master water and dokey and show to me.

01:25:11.809 --> 01:25:20.466
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you know, like you look it to your chin dragon die in her own own ghetto on that last night, and I just I don't see it.

01:25:21.003 --> 01:25:36.160
[SPEAKER_01]: And the other one would be Cartconner and Dike in a guy versus Temporio and young and they like Cartconners, but they don't love them and I don't see TMDK getting any kind of love.

01:25:36.140 --> 01:25:51.980
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, in that match alone, you have two guys who basically, in the guy is so young, he takes the losses for unaffiliated and Jacob Austin Young is in that spot the Kalimnuman used to occupy for the United Empire of taking all of the falls for UAE.

01:25:52.000 --> 01:26:03.514
[SPEAKER_01]: So, I don't anticipate those two teams just being in a position to contend at the end, right?

01:26:06.312 --> 01:26:09.596
[SPEAKER_00]: I think it would be yo and Watto to set up something for later.

01:26:10.497 --> 01:26:15.643
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I think it would probably be yo and master Watto defeating Doki and show.

01:26:17.025 --> 01:26:19.688
[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe they're both like winning get in kind of thing.

01:26:19.708 --> 01:26:24.534
[SPEAKER_01]: And they both get to like form one of the revolt of that.

01:26:24.594 --> 01:26:26.817
[SPEAKER_01]: And then the tiebreaker gets them in.

01:26:27.157 --> 01:26:36.268
[SPEAKER_01]: But it should give them a title shot before the other team or whatever.

01:26:36.603 --> 01:26:45.609
[SPEAKER_00]: And the other side, the B-Block clearly comes down to Eagles and Fujita versus Ishermori and X, and that they meet each other on the last day.

01:26:45.629 --> 01:26:47.895
[SPEAKER_00]: Those are the two best teams in the block.

01:26:48.044 --> 01:26:50.027
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know which way I go on this one.

01:26:50.047 --> 01:26:51.710
[SPEAKER_00]: I think both teams are outstanding.

01:26:51.770 --> 01:26:54.355
[SPEAKER_00]: So I think we're a winner either the way on that one.

01:26:54.535 --> 01:26:58.522
[SPEAKER_00]: But I don't see Robbie X and issue morey winning the tournament.

01:26:59.123 --> 01:26:59.363
[SPEAKER_00]: No.

01:26:59.844 --> 01:27:02.889
[SPEAKER_00]: But I think they might make the finals to shake things up.

01:27:02.989 --> 01:27:05.794
[SPEAKER_00]: It could also be Eagles and Fujita versus Yo and Wado.

01:27:05.814 --> 01:27:07.437
[SPEAKER_00]: That could very well be the final.

01:27:07.417 --> 01:27:17.983
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm leaning toward the Eagles of Fudgeta, they've been very quiet with that team and they're far and away, like the best, the most established team in this tournament.

01:27:18.404 --> 01:27:21.932
[SPEAKER_01]: You could do something good, tag, issue, worried, Robbie, you just

01:27:22.250 --> 01:27:34.488
[SPEAKER_01]: Robby hasn't been around, you haven't established him, you're more building him up right now, rather than putting him in that spot on the final home, coming for Rochitana Hashi.

01:27:35.049 --> 01:27:43.101
[SPEAKER_01]: But if you put Robbie Eagles and Kosey Food Journal versus Yo and Master Water on that card, that's the bigger batch.

01:27:43.822 --> 01:27:45.404
[SPEAKER_00]: And the finals will be in Gifu, correct?

01:27:46.225 --> 01:27:51.413
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I'm kind of

01:27:51.646 --> 01:28:01.898
[SPEAKER_00]: All right, so once again, we're a Friday, Corican Hall, Saturday, and Saitama Sunday, another show, an O'Numa, which is a town of only 35,000 people, Jeremy.

01:28:02.159 --> 01:28:02.839
[SPEAKER_00]: There's a small town.

01:28:02.860 --> 01:28:04.441
[SPEAKER_00]: They're hitting some small places here.

01:28:05.102 --> 01:28:14.093
[SPEAKER_00]: On Tuesday, October 28th, they are in Sato, which is an island off the coast of the holds about 48,000 people total.

01:28:14.073 --> 01:28:18.539
[SPEAKER_00]: not expecting huge crowds, just because they're just going to some relatively small towns.

01:28:19.219 --> 01:28:24.927
[SPEAKER_00]: Wednesday, October 29th, even small, they're in place called Shabata, which is just south of Sendai.

01:28:25.788 --> 01:28:32.556
[SPEAKER_00]: And then October 30th in Fukui, that's a Thursday, Nagai encounters with young and temporary on top there.

01:28:32.977 --> 01:28:36.982
[SPEAKER_00]: So when we come back next week, we will have a lot of tournament matches to talk about.

01:28:37.502 --> 01:28:42.949
[SPEAKER_00]: And only about what one night of block action left and then the Tana

01:28:42.929 --> 01:28:58.002
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, well, we got to show the preview and a bunch of shows to recap back to the grind my friend back to the grind I appreciate everybody's patience of sitting through I know we talked about a lot of stuff that wasn't necessarily specific to new Japan

01:28:58.572 --> 01:29:01.194
[SPEAKER_00]: But there's a changing landscape and pro wrestling in a lot of ways.

01:29:01.394 --> 01:29:11.123
[SPEAKER_00]: The way companies work together and also with the way that WWE is trying to control the narrative and professional wrestling for the next few years.

01:29:11.303 --> 01:29:19.050
[SPEAKER_00]: All this stuff, if there's one thing I've learned from writing my, my site, ringside replay that history and around is that everything affects everything.

01:29:19.490 --> 01:29:21.692
[SPEAKER_00]: And nothing happens in a vacuum.

01:29:21.712 --> 01:29:27.617
[SPEAKER_00]: So if all of these things are changing the landscape, that landscape gets, that landscape changes in Japan as well.

01:29:27.597 --> 01:29:31.202
[SPEAKER_00]: And I thought it was worth talking about here this week and I'm with you.

01:29:31.262 --> 01:29:41.817
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, like, we're worth it in here and we are 75, 80 days away from restricting them and they have one match announced.

01:29:41.837 --> 01:29:46.483
[SPEAKER_01]: We have a super junior tournament that seems like, you know, they,

01:29:46.463 --> 01:29:48.527
[SPEAKER_01]: they're being very frugal about.

01:29:49.288 --> 01:29:55.780
[SPEAKER_01]: And we have a show to do about pro wrestling in New Japan and New Japan is really bringing a whole lot to the table here.

01:29:55.900 --> 01:29:57.062
[SPEAKER_01]: So next week should be better.

01:29:57.543 --> 01:30:07.982
[SPEAKER_01]: But I'm not really going to apologize about the fact that we are trying to discuss things that are relevant to New Japan and they may not seem so immediately relevant in the media future.

01:30:07.962 --> 01:30:11.351
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I think it's going to be relevant in the near future, though.

01:30:11.391 --> 01:30:17.990
[SPEAKER_00]: And Colin is asking, do you worry when Tana Hashie becomes president on a full-time basis, after his January 4th retirement?

01:30:18.010 --> 01:30:20.416
[SPEAKER_00]: Attendance has been poor as has the booking.

01:30:20.496 --> 01:30:21.038
[SPEAKER_00]: Do I worry?

01:30:22.041 --> 01:30:22.883
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

01:30:23.470 --> 01:30:24.792
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't.

01:30:24.812 --> 01:30:25.213
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, I do.

01:30:25.553 --> 01:30:32.524
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, there's Russell Kingdom is going to do well because big retirements always do well.

01:30:32.564 --> 01:30:43.602
[SPEAKER_00]: Remember, even when Noah was kind of on its rear end, the Moots of Retirement Show, which had a lot of New Japan talent on it to be fair, did pretty well, like the Moot of Retirement Show did our right for Noah.

01:30:45.124 --> 01:30:46.106
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I'm concerned.

01:30:46.627 --> 01:30:48.229
[SPEAKER_00]: Elias, I kingdom will do well.

01:30:49.289 --> 01:30:53.813
[SPEAKER_00]: the trend has been the opposite direction for New Japan otherwise.

01:30:54.334 --> 01:31:03.723
[SPEAKER_00]: And it's going to be incumbent upon President Tana Hashie to and his booking committee, but he's he is going to be considered the guy in charge.

01:31:03.963 --> 01:31:05.705
[SPEAKER_00]: This is going to be Tana Hashie's era.

01:31:06.185 --> 01:31:18.537
[SPEAKER_00]: Whoever else is working behind the scenes, Yano, Dictogo, all those guys, people are going to define Tana Hashie's presidency by what happens in on the

01:31:19.023 --> 01:31:27.714
[SPEAKER_00]: from what I have seen so far, anything involving anything non-herarchy, goto involved over the last year.

01:31:28.535 --> 01:31:29.856
[SPEAKER_00]: Kind of been a bit of a wreck.

01:31:29.876 --> 01:31:32.820
[SPEAKER_00]: And I worried, yeah, I have a little bit as to what happens in 2026.

01:31:32.960 --> 01:31:44.254
[SPEAKER_00]: It is critical that they set the company up with new talents in an interesting direction, going into 2026, coming out of that Tokyo dome.

01:31:44.234 --> 01:31:46.617
[SPEAKER_00]: you are going to have a lot of eyeballs on that show.

01:31:46.977 --> 01:31:48.680
[SPEAKER_00]: You've got to give them a reason to come back.

01:31:49.561 --> 01:31:50.722
[SPEAKER_00]: And yeah, I agree.

01:31:51.403 --> 01:31:58.212
[SPEAKER_00]: If he falls on his face with that part of it, then 20, 20 assists could be very difficult for newspan.

01:31:58.232 --> 01:31:59.033
[SPEAKER_00]: Could be very difficult.

01:31:59.814 --> 01:32:01.336
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's got to be a heck of a show.

01:32:01.736 --> 01:32:11.288
[SPEAKER_01]: And they have to have a plan and come during a week, fifth, there aren't any old guys to lean on anymore.

01:32:12.517 --> 01:32:28.146
[SPEAKER_01]: he wasn't the guy that carried a promotion for the entire like generation before, you know, night of gone, Tanaashi gone, Okada gone, Napa Moro gone, they're all going, you know, it's like you're going to have to start like,

01:32:28.649 --> 01:32:42.734
[SPEAKER_01]: This is the time that those new stars that you said you're going to be building in 2021 over a three year plan and we're in a year five like it's time like I believe that one year back as you get the wall we're going to get.

01:32:42.774 --> 01:32:48.885
[SPEAKER_01]: Better stuff than we're off for now because clearly the priority has been.

01:32:50.268 --> 01:32:51.670
[SPEAKER_01]: Closing it or not opening it.

01:32:52.460 --> 01:32:55.713
[SPEAKER_00]: They have got to get moving on those things, Jeremy.

01:32:55.733 --> 01:32:59.448
[SPEAKER_00]: These people that are allegedly the next generation, let's keep this in line too.

01:32:59.489 --> 01:33:01.356
[SPEAKER_00]: They're closer to 30 than they are to 20.

01:33:01.994 --> 01:33:03.236
[SPEAKER_00]: it's taken that long.

01:33:03.296 --> 01:33:04.377
[SPEAKER_00]: And part of that was the pandemic.

01:33:04.417 --> 01:33:21.399
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, delaying things and all that, but we're more a sushi show to Umino and Renderita, whoever else you want to say from that generation of guys that looked like they have so much potential and still do, but they're almost 30 years old.

01:33:21.499 --> 01:33:23.041
[SPEAKER_00]: They're pushing, you know, they're they're over 25.

01:33:23.282 --> 01:33:26.165
[SPEAKER_00]: It's it's taking too long.

01:33:26.326 --> 01:33:27.267
[SPEAKER_00]: You don't have forever.

01:33:27.727 --> 01:33:29.009
[SPEAKER_00]: Gotta get on this.

01:33:29.029 --> 01:33:29.790
[SPEAKER_00]: Gotta get on it.

01:33:31.036 --> 01:33:32.137
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm with you.

01:33:32.158 --> 01:33:32.718
[SPEAKER_00]: All right.

01:33:32.738 --> 01:33:33.720
[SPEAKER_01]: What have we got?

01:33:34.701 --> 01:33:35.202
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, quickly.

01:33:35.282 --> 01:33:40.629
[SPEAKER_00]: Apparently, we're going to have to suffer through a house of torture event in the near future here.

01:33:40.649 --> 01:33:42.672
[SPEAKER_00]: So there is a permit giving to me.

01:33:44.054 --> 01:33:45.956
[SPEAKER_00]: I guess this is going to be a pay per view.

01:33:46.377 --> 01:33:51.884
[SPEAKER_00]: A house that we pay per view as if we are having enough trouble.

01:33:52.104 --> 01:33:56.791
[SPEAKER_00]: They are going to throw it back to NWL sold out here.

01:33:56.811 --> 01:33:59.895
[SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, this is a.

01:34:00.230 --> 01:34:10.274
[SPEAKER_00]: a perished night of torture on November 19th at cortical in hall that's a so why not throw another paper view at us in addition try to get every dime they possibly can.

01:34:10.314 --> 01:34:12.920
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not looking forward to this Jeremy are you?

01:34:13.762 --> 01:34:14.323
[SPEAKER_01]: Well,

01:34:15.029 --> 01:34:17.613
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know if you can look forward to it.

01:34:17.633 --> 01:34:21.760
[SPEAKER_01]: What week are you out of here for, um, sadly I'll be back for this one.

01:34:22.621 --> 01:34:25.005
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, because I'm not going to have to fill in.

01:34:25.065 --> 01:34:27.309
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to have a filling guess, but this is going to win the day night.

01:34:27.769 --> 01:34:34.540
[SPEAKER_01]: So not only do you have to watch it, you have to rush watch it if you want to cover it.

01:34:36.443 --> 01:34:42.018
[SPEAKER_01]: You are literally going to be playing your house to watch this and it's going to be torture for you, Stephen.

01:34:42.659 --> 01:34:45.908
[SPEAKER_00]: But with the only thing we know so far is that Eva will be facing Shun's Skywalker.

01:34:46.269 --> 01:34:46.690
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.

01:34:48.003 --> 01:34:50.386
[SPEAKER_00]: Cool, I'm here for that.

01:34:50.406 --> 01:34:53.030
[SPEAKER_00]: All right, and let's see, what else did we have?

01:34:53.070 --> 01:34:53.771
[SPEAKER_00]: We have anything else?

01:34:53.791 --> 01:34:54.572
[SPEAKER_00]: There are any other events.

01:34:54.752 --> 01:34:58.858
[SPEAKER_00]: And obviously next week, we'll be talking about the action that comes off of superjourners.

01:34:59.238 --> 01:35:08.972
[SPEAKER_00]: We will be previewing the Big Geefu show with Tana Hashie versus Yoda's Suji from the Global title, the World Title match with Takeshita and Hiroki Goro.

01:35:09.312 --> 01:35:12.957
[SPEAKER_00]: This is the show that basically has replaced power struggle for this year anyway.

01:35:12.977 --> 01:35:16.322
[SPEAKER_00]: They're just going with this Tana Hashie homecoming show instead of power struggle.

01:35:18.260 --> 01:35:19.163
[SPEAKER_01]: Works for me, boss.

01:35:20.107 --> 01:35:21.613
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yeah, I got nothing else.

01:35:21.894 --> 01:35:24.945
[SPEAKER_01]: I thank you, everybody, who joined us at the chat.

01:35:25.212 --> 01:35:27.074
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, thanks guys for having us last.

01:35:27.094 --> 01:35:28.056
[SPEAKER_00]: It was going to see you there too.

01:35:28.096 --> 01:35:33.603
[SPEAKER_00]: I didn't mention your name yet, but I'm glad you were here, Colin, of course, Nick Reeves and what's we have here.

01:35:33.623 --> 01:35:35.666
[SPEAKER_00]: We had a couple of their senior war hero was here.

01:35:35.726 --> 01:35:41.493
[SPEAKER_00]: Glad to see you and we had us VA guy, of course, Jesse Hydo as well.

01:35:41.754 --> 01:35:43.716
[SPEAKER_00]: Anybody that watches his live were grateful to you.

01:35:44.117 --> 01:35:47.922
[SPEAKER_00]: Anybody that watches this listen to us later watches this here on YouTube.

01:35:47.962 --> 01:35:48.703
[SPEAKER_00]: Thank you for your time.

01:35:49.043 --> 01:35:50.085
[SPEAKER_00]: We know you have a lot of choices.

01:35:50.145 --> 01:35:53.329
[SPEAKER_00]: We're grateful you spend some with us.

01:35:53.613 --> 01:35:55.902
[SPEAKER_00]: With that, we're going to sign off for this week.

01:35:55.942 --> 01:35:57.227
[SPEAKER_00]: We will be back in a week.

01:35:57.368 --> 01:35:58.211
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm still in Conway.

01:35:58.251 --> 01:36:00.259
[SPEAKER_00]: That's Jeremy Feinstein.

01:36:00.299 --> 01:36:01.725
[SPEAKER_00]: This has been Speaking of Strong Style.

01:36:01.845 --> 01:36:03.572
[SPEAKER_00]: And we will talk to you again, real soon.