Hangman Overshadowed? Comparing AEW All Out vs. WWE's Wrestlepalooza So Far, Plus, AJ Lee's Return Hype | Takedown

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[SPEAKER_01]: We'll come back to take down Paul Fontaine and double G here as we

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[SPEAKER_01]: break down three kind of key wrestling stories and give our opinions on on on where we're going here.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Obviously as as we've been doing and as we will do until the weekend or probably the day after the September 20th showdown, we're going to talk a lot about all out in Russell Palusa as both companies are building towards those shows.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But we also have an AEW specific topic and we'll

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[SPEAKER_01]: how we thought WWE did with the AJ Lee and CM Punk and Becky Lynch and Seth Rollins angle at the end.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So Paul, what's going on?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, and a lot, just, yeah, just kids back to school.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So, you know, it feels like I have a little bit more time freed up and rest things been a little down.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I guess that's going to change just coming weekend.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's getting busy again.

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[SPEAKER_00]: New Japan's been off for a while there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They were back on Saturday, Sunday.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So, yeah, it plays this is on Friday.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Triple A, TNA has got to show us weekend too.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So little minor shows this weekend.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then next weekend is the collision actually tried this weekend is draw some viewers.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't we'll see if it works.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The ratings are not yet, but I suspect it probably didn't give in the college football, but they got to try and yeah, it was a good show.

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[SPEAKER_01]: This isn't even part of our rundown.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But I do have a question about collision, which is.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I get it, like you want to make collision important, but can we balance out all of the storylines happening on collision versus happening and split them up.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Half of them can happen on Dynamite, which is going to do at least two and a half times the viewership.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, I mean, you say I get it and you have to, I kind of always fought back against that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's like, I shouldn't say always, but within about a month of collision, like it was pretty clear that that audience is limited.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So while I'm not saying you throw in the tank, like you, you try to put on a good show, but

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think your important stuff has to happen on Dynamite because that's where most of your audience is watching, so make collision a good wrestling show and it usually is like I get I'm not complaining side of the FTR mattress pretty awesome.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, you like, I see, I just, I don't know.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I thought I think if it hadn't happened right after the moxley match, like it was just like two matches that were like the exact same.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, but I didn't even, I didn't like, I mean, I liked the moxley match, but I don't care about Danny Garcia.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So no, meaning there didn't mean anything to me.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The thing that makes me laugh though.

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[SPEAKER_01]: is that outside of the ring, John Moxley is this like evil villain and inside the ring, he's like the greatest scientific wrestler in AEW history.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like it's crazy.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, and the other thing, like you listen to his promos now and it's like,

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, and I'm not, it's not a criticism because he's a heal, but he's he's completely full of shit.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like everything he says is a lie.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I mean, but he's a cult leader.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So like he believes what he's saying and the people that follow him believe what they're saying, but he's full of shit.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And, and like, and he's trying to convince like, it seems like he's trying to convince Daniel Garcia and Chris that letter to join him and and I'm thinking like the thing that actually makes sense would be if they rejected him and that kind of like starts his downfall because at some point he's got he's got to go down, you know, but I mean, who knows like, I mean, clearly Tony's letting them do his thing and and it worked to some extent and we'll talk about that, you know, we'll talk about mockery in our in our first topic here, but.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So the, let me, I'll just say why the reason why I like the FTR thing is because those guys are new.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And so we are not, they are not overexposed.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They are a new team.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So to think that these new guys could be competitive with FTR, even though they were going to lose.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm completely fine with that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Did you, you didn't watch collision the week before though, did you?

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[SPEAKER_00]: No, they had the exact same match with the same guy with a different partner.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So that's for that, you know, I didn't like it as much.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Who was the partner, J.D.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Drake?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, well, that that person is someone who that that audience would know and actually I'm Tom Billington is somebody that FTR has been trying to get over for like two years.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but he's in frequent.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I don't know.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, like, so I mean, not a problem with the match or whatever, but it's like the exact same thing and they're almost expecting that you didn't watch last week.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like because they're treating it like it's, you know, we've never seen this

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[SPEAKER_00]: So like that's why I'm like again, I'm not well, the match is very different to me is whether or not you

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[SPEAKER_01]: believe in JD Drake as any sort of prospect because I don't I see him from me.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I clearly would he is, but I could see Tom Billington as someone they might get behind.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Now the argument against that is they have 20 people like him already who are in midcard.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So right and better and bigger and yeah, there's Billington's got a lot of things working against him.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, he's got his name working for him and he's got people behind him that want him to succeed.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So that that goes a long way.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But I just, you know, like, is he better than Brian Pillman Jr?

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He's probably a better for AEW style of engineering than Brian Pillman.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe, but he's probably not as good yet.

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[SPEAKER_00]: His upside maybe better.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But, you know, he's been doing this longer than you think.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So, anyways.

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[SPEAKER_01]: All right, so let's talk about the topic you wanted to talk about why maybe AEW's audience has been down of late though, I will say that was some crazy drastic drop on Wednesday.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think I would have ever predicted it would have gotten that low that fast.

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[SPEAKER_00]: No, and it was kind of drawing, you know, for a lot of people and I, you know, and immediately somebody had sent me a text and they're like, oh, did you catch that number for dynamite?

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[SPEAKER_00]: No, that was like, yeah, amazing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So what do you think?

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[SPEAKER_00]: What's going on?

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I have to think about it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then it was thinking about it, and a lot of people are bringing up the arena as being like a downside, and that was the second week there, and they got the last week coming up now, and then that also comes right after doing three weeks in a row in that small building in Chicago.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And so, but by the way, anecdotally, I've heard from people who say, yes, it is a problem for the right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I think that's part of it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I said that going in, like I said, I think it's a big mistake to go from doing like, you know, however many people are going to have at that stadium at the time.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I figured it was going to be 25.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think they were closer to 30.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I can remember exactly what the number it was.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But

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[SPEAKER_00]: to go from like a big stadium show like that, to then going to three shows in a small building, then they go to England where they had that huge crowd in London and hot crowd in everything, and then right back into small building again.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so right away, that's a mistake, I thought.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But then I think even more than that, going into all-in, you have this storyline and it was kind of like AW's version of the bloodline storyline or Cody finishing his story like you had the dominant champion with his group and then you have the guy being brought up as a guy that was going to take him down and handman was a guy that was going to take him down he's going to rescue the title from John Moxley.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And, and he did that, you know, so he was successful.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He went into all in, he does that, and then he come out of all in, and

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[SPEAKER_00]: Moxley's still there, and Moxley's still running rough shot over everybody to the point where, like, you referenced that promo he did, where he's even saying, oh, big deal.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You took a couple of belts from a step that they don't even matter.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And yeah, that's not the big picture.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, at least to Darby, he was right, specifically speaking to Darby about the big picture.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But if you look at the shows and I'm not even talking like one show, like he's on both shows now, he's on collision most weeks.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The show, I would still say it's still built around John Moxley, even though Hangman is the champion and he beat him in a rain match, so it's not like I'm saying like, you know, Hangman is clearly the guy, you know, but he's not the guy that the show is being built around the first paper to be coming out of it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's not even in the main event.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He wasn't in the right, and then that's a crazy light out.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and this coming week, maybe he will, maybe he won't, but even if he is, is anybody saying that hangman and Carl Fletcher is the main event of this show, like is the match that people are watching the show for.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think in most cases, it's probably the FTR match or it's the Darby Mox match, coffee match.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Everyone's going to buy, oh, everyone's watching that expecting it to be bloodbath and you know, like just this going to be this insane match where Darby's going to kill himself and all this.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So it's still moxely and even to the point where when they took out Will Osprey, it's not about, it's not about hangman, it's about moxley.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Moxley's group is the one that took out Osprey.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It wasn't the Calus family who's going to be feuding with Hangman to me that would have made sense.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You want this big grudge.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You want the champion defending the honor of the top baby face?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, no, it's it's going to be moxley when he comes back.

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[SPEAKER_00]: When when Osprey comes back, he's going after moxley.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm not, again, we'll see if that is actually good.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, that's the idea, you know, whether or not they actually stick to it, I mean, who knows in eight, ten months or how long it's going to be in a long time.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But like when they wrote out Kenny and then Kenny comes back, and he says, I don't even care anymore.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that could very much happen just because the positioning of certain folks may change.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I said on my show with Jeff, I said, what's going to happen when Osprey comes back, he's going to win the O and he's going to challenge for the title, and we're not even going to remember that attack.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So that's the case.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Why not just have the cows family take about if fletcher is going to be your challenger.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, I'll tell you what.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think at on the day of forbidden nor told me had no idea who the next challenge.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I completely agree with that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I can see it in the booking on collision because I'm and like I said, I'm a very casual collision watcher.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm watching the Tony storm match, and then the angle coming out of it, and I'm like, oh, tackle looks actually pretty interesting, and looks like they're doing something with her, her friends, and they don't look quite as interesting.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then Tony just haphazardly makes this four person match and I'm like, well, okay, well, now that just kind of mutes everything Tecla was doing she's going to get one fourth of the visibility now and we're going to throw in Chris, because she's got this thing with the death writers and I'm sure that's going to be the story of the matches.

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[SPEAKER_01]: What is Chris doing is she going to get help.

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[SPEAKER_01]: is she going to take this title and then is she going to be the big bad going up against Tony in the next show and then you have the return of Jamie Hayner who also pushes tech a down another level and so it just makes a you know you could have had two matches there instead of one and it would have made more sense to me if if that was the case but but it definitely felt like hey we don't really know where we're going so let's make it up on this show and

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, Tony's going to have a lot of people who will give him the benefit of the doubt on stuff like that and I will always point out that you are giving him the benefit of the doubt when you don't give other people the benefit of the doubt for doing stuff like that, but hey, it's a W fan seem to be very happy with the product, but okay, so going back to the ratings thing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So do you think that part of the reason why the ratings all of a sudden have been down of late is because Hangman as the hero baby face champion is not the top star on that television show.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think that's part of it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think that's a big part of it and it's the part that nobody's talking about, which is why I brought it up.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think you've also obviously,

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[SPEAKER_00]: cannings out.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So all those people out, that doesn't help.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Or that wasn't the show that Kenny got written off on was it?

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[SPEAKER_01]: That was okay.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So you can't blame no Kenny, but everything else.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And it's a small building and you know, and just like the general coolness of the company in general,

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think is a big reason for that is because of Hangman, not actually being the star of the show, leaving into all in, he was like, he was all over the place.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That show was all about Hangman.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And now it's like, well, he now it seems like it's all about mocks.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, I guarantee you, when, at forbidden door, Tony knew who mocks it was going to be facing on the next favorite

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[SPEAKER_00]: that might have been the only one he knew.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And that's it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Is it possible that hang man himself?

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[SPEAKER_01]: isn't the dynamic personality, but he also isn't necessarily, at least we know from prior angles, he isn't like that giant go getter of putting himself out there as, you know, wanting to be the guy, he's played second fiddle several times, and I know the one time that he played second fiddle was, you know, to see a punk and punk, you know, fight gamedom and, and

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, it goes back to the, to the thing about the guaranteed contracts and salaries and, you know, it doesn't matter if hangman necessarily tries to become Stone Cold Steve Austin 1998 because he gets paid the same, nonetheless, all that happened, all that would happen is if he got hotter, it would help the company, but there's no, what's the incentive.

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[SPEAKER_01]: for a singular wrestler to try and put the company on their back.

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[SPEAKER_01]: There isn't really an incentive, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: They're independent contractors.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So, you know, at that point, like I really, I really like the Hangman character, but at the same time, it's not dynamic.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's not Austin, it's not the rock.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It is if this character was in the attitude era, it would be like,

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, maybe below a Mick Foley kind of character.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, almost like like Brett Hart, very, very Brett Hartish.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But even even Brett Hart, he was gonna put himself over like nobody's business and hangman is the even put himself over.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He just kind of goes out there and screams and has like holds grudges and has really good.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I was thinking Ricky Steamboat, like that's a little before the attitude era, but kind of that like even when Ricky held the bell, it was still all about flair.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, you know, so, you know, maybe that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And like Will Osprey is that kind of guy's where Strickland is that kind of guy.

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[SPEAKER_00]: MJF is certainly that kind of guy.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But hang man.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe he's not.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And this is no shade because I really like him.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think he's awesome.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I know people there who think he was he was or maybe still is the future of the entire company.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But he does get overshadowed by some of the bigger personalities.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I don't know, I don't know if there's a presentation thing that needs to change.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I think like it doesn't even necessarily have to be that the world champion has to be that guy as long as the fans are into something else and that's keeping them coming.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So like if but the problem is is that they told the story with moxley where the natural conclusion was okay, he's going to defeat moxley and then that's going to be it for the deathwriters.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's kind of like what happened in New Japan with the house of torture.

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[SPEAKER_00]: where like they did this match and they lost and then you thought okay well that's it for the house of torture and then it's like now they just kept going and it's like well okay we're done now you know what I mean like we we invested all of our time in our energy and our viewing hours and everything into this anger and we were hoping okay the death drive can be gone it's not sick John moxie needs to be gone he can take a few months off come back do something else but it's like well what was that whole lead up to all in yeah okay they got the belt

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[SPEAKER_00]: But he's still running rough shot over the show.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He took out the top guy, you know, and meanwhile hangman.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, you know, in a kind of his like, it is like a little bit, not not in any way equal or exactly same.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But in 2001, when Stone Cold Steve Austin turned heel, he was so frigging entertaining.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But it was a lot of comedy and it was a lot of.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He's sort of against all odds.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's like Chris Jericho and Chris Benwa in a handy cat match against Steve Austin.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And so a lot of the time when you look at the optics, it was almost like Austin was the baby face because he was the most entertaining person anyways.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And that's kind of what Moxley is right now.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He's so entertaining, but he is also the guy who wins every single match, clean without cheating.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And he looks like the baby face, optically in the ring, even though on the outside, he and his team are still doing data really things.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But, and we'll talk about this in, we'll talk about this in, we'll kind of go over the cards for all that in Russ Polizza.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But, you know, when we pit John Moxigan's,

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[SPEAKER_01]: Darby Allen like Darby Allen's the one like committing assault against people and like I don't know how that is supposed to make him look like this heroic baby face just because he's small I guess that you know he's got to go over the top or he's got to do these jackass stunts or whatever, but I'm like I think he killed gay kid like I'm not sure but he had me who might have killed his A W career that's for sure.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, like he put him in a body bag, attached him to the back of a truck and went off not at a low speed.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And and he used a ether soap rag to put him out.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, rope committed assault.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, after being called out somebody, a kid stood in the ring and called him out like a fighting.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, I won't say babyface, but like a fighting hero, you know, like, come on, Darby, let's fight and he got a tack from behind and put out with ether as a result.

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[SPEAKER_00]: What did gay kid do?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Poor guy flew all the way from Japan just to have a conversation with Darby.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Alright, let's compare these cards.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So my hard take here is as it stands.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think all else kind of a weak card by comparison to normal AEW cards.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I will say, I am a fan of MJF versus Mark Brisco.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't necessarily know if it's a big time pay-per-view main event based on the way that Mark Brisco's norm is generally booked.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I think title matches weekman, it'll be a good wrestling match, but if there was no pay-per-view on this cycle, it would be a dynamite main event.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And honestly, like we're assuming it's called Fletcher, I mean, they, we do they have an announced it yet.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I guess after collision, it's obviously pretty clear that it is, but But again, that's collision.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's official as far as I can tell, but it just looks like it's.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and that was certainly the impression that you had after Dynamite, that okay, they're going to do that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, the whole the problem is is that the build before this was to mark brisk on cough lecture, um, mjfs, you know, honestly until Saturday, I think it was going to be on the paper view, and then, you know, now he interferes in the main event on Saturday, and he's going to be wrestling mark brisco.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So, yeah, like I said, that's cool match.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And they've certainly been building it for months.

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[SPEAKER_00]: In some ways,

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, it might be the the most anticipated match on the show.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Why why are we anticipating?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Why are we excited for it though?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Because there's a possibility based on a finish that it's going to feel like they've strong you along.

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[SPEAKER_00]: If it's not the right finish, what do you mean like if M. Jeff wins or you mean if they do the if they do the cash and like the contract.

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[SPEAKER_00]: If Mark

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[SPEAKER_01]: how many people are going to be bothered.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Nobody.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think he's everybody's going to be frustrated.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, no, it's like, no, because it's Tony and he gets.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, okay.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, just I guess it's a side.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but no, like, I don't think he's going to win.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And it doesn't win.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, why do we have this match in the first place?

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's my question.

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[SPEAKER_00]: because the long-term story is that he will get a win and it's going to be a big win.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And this one, in Lexus for the contract, I don't think he needs to win.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think when he wins, it's got to have some real stakes.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, he's got to set the stakes, he has to call the stakes

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[SPEAKER_01]: For the match and he's supposed to announce that I'm assuming he'll announce it on Wednesday.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think it's he's probably everyone seems to think it's me a dog call or match.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So all of the odds are in his favor and you're telling me that MJF is just still just going to win this match to win this match.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's what I think it's possible he doesn't.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It there's also a possibility that mystical beats some on Friday, Mark beats him on Saturday and then MJF disappears for a while.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, go in your honeymoon.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and then come back for whatever the Agas full gear would be the next page full gear even the next one after that because remember he still is theoretically still has that contract.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So that's a good thing in a way, you know, because he can disappear and then he can show up with the contract at some point and you know, and get right in the mix again.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So, but then again, you're taking another piece off the chessboard.

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[SPEAKER_00]: of you know like do you really want to be taken mjf out right now when he's one of your biggest guys so add him to the list of Kenny Osprey that's sort of a make whoever else is out in all these people that are out word load now apparently not that he's in that same mix but

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so, but I don't know, the when you ask that your key question is, I think the reason that it's most look forward to is because we know it's going to be a great match, it's going to have a lot of eat and, you know, they've had great matches before.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So, you know, like this card on paper, like there's not a lot of juice behind a lot of these matches, but, I mean, you know, a W always has very good in ring and I'm sure that this show will be no exception to that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, whether or not it feels important, that's, and I know that's a big thing for you.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, that is definitely in question about what of these two shows, which feels most important.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's 100% the WWE show.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I, I will admit I am all in for Copeland and Christian.

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[SPEAKER_01]: against FTR.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think that's going to be a lot of fun.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think it'll be a really good match.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I think with that home crowd responding to edge and Christian, I think it'll be great.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Actually, like, optically, that should be the main event, even though I don't think it will be the hurts.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The hurts indicate versus ricochet and gates of agony.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Man, this isn't even this is barely like a collision match to me.

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[SPEAKER_00]: This is so somebody on probably MVP maybe Shelton can take a pin and then tell us who look we put.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think MVP.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think Ricochet is going to pin MVP.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think that I think it's going to be shown.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You think Rick said you're good in Shelton?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, because I think I don't know this, but I feel like Shelton, I heard, I think Dave reported he signed a three year contract and the date, the time frame for Bobby and MVP wasn't as clear.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So it may be that Shelton's the one sticking around, so maybe he actually is the one that put somebody over in.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Meanwhile, Bobby gets to be in a W for a while, collect a lot of money and never have to get to it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, we'll see.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I say, yeah, that matches like Mercedes and Rio.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I know there are a lot of reho fans.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm one.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm like, okay, so this is just another notch on Mercedes's belt.

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[SPEAKER_01]: There's no story here.

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[SPEAKER_01]: She's not losing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: This is just contender, disjure and move on.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So, I mean, this to be fair, this was one that Mercedes wanted a year ago.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Leave it to me.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Booker, though.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, come on.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I hate it when people use that excuse.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, no, no, but what I'm saying is they had set it up and then Rio got hurt.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So what I don't remember when they

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[SPEAKER_01]: to the center.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It was on her first show.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It was on the very first show.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The big bang for Boston wherever the hell.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, right, right, right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: She was still around at that time and then she got hurt right away.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They were going to do that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Max, back then.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So what Tony does is when someone gets hurt, they come back and they just jump right into wherever they were.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They've so many women.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I know who could use an opportunity like this in their current storytelling.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I that's what I would not that anything against Reheal, but we know the rehost story.

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[SPEAKER_01]: She's going to be around.

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[SPEAKER_01]: She's going to be gone.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You're going to come back and she'll be gone again.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's just how the story has been.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, like I'm sure the match is going to be good.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's going to be weird because Mercedes isn't usually like towering over her opponent.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So that'll be interesting.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So moxley and Darby is now a coffin match.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yep.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Great.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Uh, and again, the, to me, optically, I'm like, John's the baby face to me, like, I don't, I don't ever since Darby came back.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think they've just flubbed everything.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They save him for the one spot in these matches where he can, uh, he can attack somebody on the death writers from behind.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He again, like we said with the Gabe Kid thing, uses ether and to to knock him out and then drags him in a body bag on the cement like that's jackass stuff to me.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's not necessarily what I want to see in pro wrestling.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, maybe my 15 year old steps on what I thought it was cool, but he would have probably thought it was just fake because it's wrestling anyways.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know man.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not into Darby at all right now.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I just think the character the entire character is so.

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[SPEAKER_01]: There is no pro wrestling storytelling in getting him over in this against a lot of things, which is how I think it should be.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's like he sneaks the tax, everybody, and he's the one on top, and he's the one who's sending everybody home, like he's this monster, but it's all cheap stuff to me.

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[SPEAKER_01]: There's no heroism in his story right now, so I don't know.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I'm not super into that into this at all.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like when I say that it's looked forward to it, I'm trying to judge what other people will think based on what I hear and read and see for me it's just like, yeah, I've been knowing this match was coming and I'm not really all that interested in it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I expect we're going to get a lot of run-ins and maybe Eddie Kingston because they hinted at his return on Saturday, so maybe he's going to thwart Claudio from interfering or something like that would be my guess.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's not going to hurt.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He'll stop people from helping moxley.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He won't help Darby necessarily.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I thought he was there for Big Bill, man.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Big Bill called the Wallyad.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that's just the squash for Bill.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I thought he was talking about Jericho.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's talking about like the big loudmouth that never shuts up from New York.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And yeah, and he's Eddie.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm like, oh, okay.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, so the rest of this card as of right now that they will add more.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We mentioned MJ from Briscoe and then this four way Tony Jamie Chris and Tecla and you know, the silly thing about this is.

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[SPEAKER_01]: This is all Tony's doing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like she wants to go against all odds, four against four women in the ring at the same time.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That was kind of dumb to me.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, because she's on one deck level one on one.

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[SPEAKER_00]: She's scared of her, so she added Jamie Hader, so she could pin her.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm just kidding.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I would have liked these matches to be split up.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, it's not like they won't have time.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I'm not really that interested.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I would have been way more interested in Tony versus Teclo one on one.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah me too.

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[SPEAKER_01]: All right, so just looking at the WWE show, there's not a lot that is actually set yet.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We have a lot of ideas of where we think that they're going, but so far, EOS Guide versus Stephanie Vicarre, that as far as a one-on-one match, I'm as interested in that, as I am in anything on this AEW show, and this is like probably going to be like fourth from the top.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then we have seen it in Lesnar, which, you know, whatever, that's not for, you know, those of us who have been have been watching andcessantly, that's for possible casual viewers, just the name of Brock Lesnar.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm kind of hopeful that they do some promotion on the UFC show for Brock, you know, to get those people kind of interested in this, yeah, they got a big show coming up this weekend.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So they could.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then, you know, Cena's going to take a lot of crazy bumps.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I just hope he doesn't hurt himself.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I'm curious how this is going to go because the last couple scene of matches that we had and he even had one on Saturday on Friday with Sammy and they've been like long and back and forth.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And Cena's looked actually really good in the ring.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I don't think this match will be like that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Hey, you know, I can't, if it goes more than 10 minutes, I'd be surprised.

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[SPEAKER_00]: How many?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Superf5s and suplexes and attitude adjustments like wow there should be an over under if we combine all of those moves how many of them are they're going to be I mean they're going to be I was going to say I was going to say 20 so yeah if we set over under like 15 when I used to do when I used to do the ROH recaps for F4 W I had of every time the bucks wrestle I had a super kick counter

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[SPEAKER_00]: And it was part of my gimmick and I would put an embold on the matches so you knew exactly how many I think the most I got I think I got over 61

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[SPEAKER_00]: Wow.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's pretty good.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Uh, so I guess some of the other matches and we'll save the AJ one for our last topic on this show, but some of the other matches.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It looks like the usos against Bronn and Bronson, which I I sort of tea.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I really know for sure, but I was like that that that would be something I think that

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[SPEAKER_00]: They've had that in the observer as confirmed, like they haven't announced that you have, but he said it was confirmed to him.

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[SPEAKER_01]: If I could watch Brought Today, we'll see I'm assuming something will happen on Brought Today.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Is it starting earlier tonight?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Do you know where is that?

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[SPEAKER_01]: No, normal show next week.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They start the one hour early.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, and then I guess it's going to be Tiffany and Jade, which we've seen before, and that was not a good match the first time.

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[SPEAKER_01]: No, no, won't be here either.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So that's official, because I was kind of expecting that on SmackDown, but and maybe it will be on SmackDown.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I thought that it was possible for the paper view.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, if they're loading up the paper, then I'll put it on the paper.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, what other matches have been rumored?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Uh,

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[SPEAKER_00]: think.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, Cody and Drew tech.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, we are true.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So last night on Wrestling Observer Radio Dave said that he believed it was going to be Cody and Drew at the paper.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, okay.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So then maybe maybe we're, you know, Randy will get involved in some way.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And if Sina moves over to Raw, which is what we believe is going to happen.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That Sina and Brock is going to move over to Raw.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to guess that that means Cody's going to be back because no scene and no Cody made for a pretty boring show two weeks ago or two or three weeks ago.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I think they would need Cody for that show and the only other belts that aren't accounted for then would be like the two tag belts and I mean, they could add a match, but they don't need to.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Certainly don't want to see the why it's on this show.

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[SPEAKER_00]: JD and fan, I'm sure could have a good match, but there aren't really any raw tag teams that I would say or paper view like ready, you know, kind of thing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, especially because they only like to generally put five or six matches on these shows.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Right, although like are they going to go longer.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, I mean, the last show they did six matches and they went four hours.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, yeah, they could certainly they could add seven and go like four and a half if they want what is your plan for that Sunday or that Saturday.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Sorry.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I mean.

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[SPEAKER_00]: My plan is I'm probably going to watch the j's and then when the j's game is over, then I'll start the W paper view and then I'll go right into the WWE show and I'll probably be, you know, and then there's a UFC in there at some point too.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I think I prioritized the two wrestling shows over the UFC that day.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Normally, I would do the UFC first, but I want to see both those shows on the same day.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So that's my plan.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I won't watch live, but I watch as close to life as I can.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I think my plan is.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I haven't talked to Dave about this, but I'm assuming we're going to Dave's house for the AW show.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I think that starts at noon.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So we'll all have to order lunch and.

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[SPEAKER_01]: and go to Dave's.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then so I'm assuming that that show will bleed into the WWE show at least in the hour.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I'm guessing five hour show for AEW and I'm going to have my phone or my iPad with me so that I can I because I want to kind of see what the counter programming move is for WWE because I'm very interested in what they open with.

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[SPEAKER_01]: will tell me if they think that they could actually grab viewership or not.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They may not be able to because pay for you is a little bit different.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, like once you've paid your money and like, I don't even know why they care.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, but, but think about it this way is you could see people hit pause on their television.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and go over the WWE show to see what's going on or do like me and you have both screens like many people have multiple TVs in their home unless they tell you ahead of time, okay, we're going to open with CM Punk and AJ league against Becky and Seth, so you don't want to miss it you want to tune in right at the start you could have some people that are kind of, you know, maybe I want to watch both

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then they might look at the AW one and say, OK, well, that's going to go really long.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So maybe I just won't watch the AW show.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, that's maybe what the mindset is.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think that'll work.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, I wouldn't think like that, but there may be some people.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I can't, it's hard for me to get in the mindset of somebody that would decide one over the other.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, I've heard people on the AW side say, oh, well, you know, I'll just watch the AW show.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then I'll skip through the WWE stuff later and see what I like.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And it's like, OK, that's fine.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You're not a typical fan.

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[SPEAKER_00]: like your NAW Homer that puts up with WWE sometimes.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, just because you want to see whatever one else is talking about.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Right, but it's not like you're into it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Whereas like the people that are into WWE that are like can't wait for the show, it's like in some cases, they may not even be aware of a WWE has a show on the same day.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know what I mean?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like it's hard to understand the mindset of a fan like that because of how deep in the bubble we are.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, but I think like for edge and Christian against FTR, like that's the kind of match that is going to grab the attention of some WWE fans.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, that's maybe the only card on the only match in the show that will do that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, so yeah, like I, but I think for the, for the WWE stuff, yeah, they're putting their best with forward for sure.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I mean, that, I mean, we'll talk about it in a minute, but that, that angle couldn't have gone better for, you know, AJ and punk against Seth and Becky without the competition.

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[SPEAKER_01]: If AEW was running unopposed on their own Saturday.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, 110,000 maybe a little bit less would be kind of the idea for that show.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I mean, I would probably say 120, but that was Dave's over under for Furbindor, I think, was 120.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And what they, and that was at one, was at one, 18 to 120 or something.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There, I don't remember what they did.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think Furbindor did like whatever, double or nothing did.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Was it like 140?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh no, is that yeah, 132 to 140 or something?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I remember there was like this weird range.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, yeah, so yeah, I would think all out would be a little down from that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, you know, I do wonder if Tony could figure out how to do a six week delay between shows.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think the builds are just so much better when he has more time.

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[SPEAKER_01]: However, sometimes he still just books everything at the very last minute, but it does feel like having an extra couple of weeks of TV allows for the AEW fans to kind of like, oh man, I'm kind of anxious for another paper view.

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[SPEAKER_01]: This one is only four weeks in it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I do not feel like

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[SPEAKER_01]: there is a necessity for another AEW paperview outside of this one match with Edge and Christian tag team.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, in part of the problem with that is is because the way that that he booked like when when forbidden nor is over, you should know what the next show is going to be.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like for the most part, you should say, okay, hang man, it's going to be fighting this person, telling you to be fighting that person, or saving me fighting this person, you know, and you had no idea.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Whereas when the

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[SPEAKER_00]: you knew what the matches were going to be.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know what I mean?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, by the way, I will say,

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think it is necessarily time for another WWE PLE either.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They just have more stuff that they can throw at a monthly cadence than AEW does.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You say that, but I'm like ready for it now.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like I want that show to be this weekend.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So that's how much I'm into WrestlePolusa is that I can't wait for that show.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I can't remember the last time I thought that about a WWE show.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, whereas with all of, like, yeah, no, it's going to be a good show, but it's not like I'm clamoring for another UW show right now.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They just had the ring of honor show, like last week, I think, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: And that is a W Jason.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So, for me, and I know you didn't watch it, and probably most of the UW fans didn't.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But I'm not the only time I've ever watched our wage programming under the Tony Tony condom umbrella.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Chris goes FTR.

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[SPEAKER_01]: uh... actually yes that that was the only show the full show at watch was one of those uh... rustle mania weekend shows yeah that's the one i was at so uh... and i think i just watched that match if i remember correctly i don't think i watched the entire show maybe i did did you hear it was a tag team wrestling show no

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, yeah, somebody sent me a video of that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I actually didn't actually watch that one, but I did see the video.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't remember if I watched it online, or if I just watched, like, well, our friend is watching it live, so he recorded it and sent me the video.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe the maybe that's how I saw it, but that was cool.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And they, yeah, they, yeah, they, yeah, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they

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[SPEAKER_00]: And that came up just this week.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, she was she was quoted.

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[SPEAKER_01]: She's she's quotable.

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[SPEAKER_01]: She's a very quotable person.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They know they had her in the video.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They had her in the video package too for Athena.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, they did.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So last topic here and I think we both really like this.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So there's no real different take here.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But AJ Lee came back on Friday, SmackDown now.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I went out of my way to make sure that I saw what was going on on SmackDown both because of the Brock Lesnar and seen a thing and then the ending angle.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And outside of one part of what Becky Lynch does in this whole scenario, I think she's the star of the thing, the way that she talks to punk and the way that she gas lights this

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[SPEAKER_01]: The only problem I have with it is, they've mentioned AJ Lee's name, CM Punk mentioned AJ Lee's name, and all of a sudden AJ Lee comes out and Becky is the most scared human on earth.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's the only part I didn't like about it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Otherwise, I thought it was fantastic.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, I mean,

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think the, yeah, I don't know if scared was was the reaction she should have had, but it's like when when it started the week before when she was doing her promo and the fans were chatting, I actually couldn't even tell what they were chanting.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then I realized, oh, they must be chanting AJ Lee because she screams out, she doesn't even work here, you know, and it's like, oh, okay.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then, and then, you know, they were doing it here and then CM Punk says,

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so I think the thing was it was that she was

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[SPEAKER_00]: And she was surprised, she should have been surprised, and she should have been like concerned.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, now I'm gonna, you know, hell, have no fear of like a woman's squad, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: But she's the man.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So why is she afraid of this little tiny woman who looks like she just graduated high school?

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, like, she looks great for, I don't know how old she is, but she's gotta be in her mid 30s, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: At least, and she looks the same as she did when she, you know, 38.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Wow, yeah, and like I would have, I mean, she could pass for 25 easy.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I could see her getting carted.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, but yeah, and you know, so yeah, the angle went great and the fans loved her and they clearly remembered her.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, and I thought you were going to say her Becky talking about,

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm the greatest one with all time.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm not the only person who says it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Sports industry, but it's like the first time she did it, I rolled my eyes.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Now when she does it, I'm like, okay, I know what she's doing now.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like it's, you know, she's doing this on purpose.

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[SPEAKER_00]: She's parading the miss, you know, like, and it's great because it's like, it gets more heat every time she does it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And yeah, she's in her glory.

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[SPEAKER_00]: She must be having so much fun.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think,

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm trying to gauge whether the interest in AJ Lee is real or if it's social media real, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Because I kind of gauge this through my friends who only follow wrestling from time to time when something happens and they ask me, you know, what's going on?

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[SPEAKER_01]: And there's a lot of intrigue in AJ Lee, which makes me laugh because AJ Lee was a big part of wrestling when the WWE kind of sucked, but.

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[SPEAKER_01]: She's a name from the past.

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[SPEAKER_01]: She's very memorable.

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[SPEAKER_01]: There's a large fandom for women who saw her as outside of the divas.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And they saw her as maybe a smart character who, you know, she was the one who's kind of holding the cards to things.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And, you know, she was the one who was playing people against each other and stuff.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I'm trying to figure out if it's real or not.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think we'll have to see.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It was very interesting that they gave it away last week, because that means that they have two whole weeks of television to follow up on it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I don't know if that is going to make it better, or if people are going to have already have had their fill.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So they have to do something where maybe Becky gets one over on her and

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[SPEAKER_01]: the way AJ gets it back as she gets her match or whatever.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then they do that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But I just it's very interesting that they left two weeks here for angles or whatever because it feels like as of Friday night kind of like you said.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's like, okay, she's back.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like people are ready and now they just want to see her fight.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know what the best thing for them to do would be.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm not sure I would advocate for this and I'm not even sure if I'd like it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But the thing that would keep this hot and really amp up interest is if Seth did something to AJ.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm not saying like, it has to be violent.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe like even like an accident or it came off like, you don't know if it was an accident or something.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But if he accidentally, you know, on purpose, hit AJ.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then you've got punk would be furious.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then the whole thing was like, okay, punk knew he couldn't touch Becky.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then you have Seth.

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[SPEAKER_00]: he doesn't care.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know what I mean?

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's what you redo the Jericho Shawn Michaels.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's the template like that's what I'm thinking like something like that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: As long as he doesn't really hit her for real like Jericho.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Correct.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, and you know, it would be like an accidental.

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[SPEAKER_00]: More like the Triple H Stephanie kind of thing, you know, that they did that one time.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, but but where there was a little bit of a question like did he do this on purpose or not, and then after the fact like he's just bragging about it like he did, you know what I mean, and then that just gets punk even more furious and I could just see the, you know, and maybe even AJ's out, you know, like she just does the one match and she's out when you ask the attention question like is it real.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think what I hadn't even like, I kind of looked back at what AJ actually did because I was, you know, I don't have a great memory.

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[SPEAKER_00]: She was a big part of the punk Daniel Bryan storyline, which was one of the highlights of that down period.

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[SPEAKER_00]: She was Bryan's manager, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then she was the Rajeeam.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And she was part of Team Hell, no, I think she put them together.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like so there's a lot of stuff that she was involved with that people remember.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so I think I think part of it is

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[SPEAKER_00]: you know believe it or not there are people that you know came up what started watching wrestling in that area you know like you started leave but yeah yeah and you know like look at I like I like Scott young you know i i something's got i marvel at his memory of some of this stuff that i've long forgotten and yeah like for him like that this is probably huge you know yep i agree i think i think Scott and Keela are both pretty fired up about this yeah i haven't heard their show up in last week yet so i'm looking forward to it

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[SPEAKER_01]: All right, so we'll be back next week and we'll be able to kind of figure out a little bit more of we're both of these shows are going and it's it's isn't it's a really interesting time now I want to say one more thing which is.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm still really interested in this dumb and uh, uh, the kingo match.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So much so that I'm like, do I try and watch this lie?

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't watch anything alive, you know, which is kind of thing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Uh, it's easy.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I'm kind of, I'm intrigued and then the canelophyte is on Saturday as well.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And Netflix, which will be really fun.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So, and you'll see, no, Chey.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and you see Noche and they're doing the the countdown episodes for Crawford and Cannell are already up.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I watched like half of the first episode just well done like it just looks yeah, they were they were airing commercials for that during raw last week, which the funny thing is is like and I know you had a big thing and I haven't listened to it yet, but about Netflix and raw they had those commercials in there and I actually had to fast forward them like normally the commercials they just automatically jump.

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[SPEAKER_00]: but with the canal commercials, they actually, I have to fast forward those ones.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Sometimes that happens for like the WWE merch stuff too.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, okay.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But clearly Netflix wanted me to watch these commercials.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so if you're, you know, maybe the remote's down and you're not paying attention, you might accidentally see it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And that's kind of what I did actually because I was expecting it to just jump and then it's, oh,

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I don't care.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'll probably watch the fight, but I'm not like super into it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: All right, that is it from here.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So we'll be back next week for Paul.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm WGC when we see you piece out.