Jan. 6, 2026
2026 Wrestling Predictions: Sami Zayn’s Title Reign | Takedown
Garrett Gonzales and Paul Fontaine break down a massive year for pro wrestling, including Paul’s bold prediction for Sami Zayn to win the big one and the looming threat of Oba Femi. Plus, they explore why the AEW locker room could fracture under the reign of MJF and the potential end of the AEW-NJPW partnership.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We are back with the first episode of takedown of 2026 and before Paul and I get started here.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I just want to mention we've slightly adjusted our podcast schedule.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Now we have a YouTube schedule and we have a podcast audio schedule, but we are moving the rap with Kila and Salty Scott to after Monday night raw.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They had been previously recording
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I don't know, I think people will just be more interested in their immediate raw takes than their immediate NXT takes.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Everything else is the same except we're going to adjust this podcast.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Now, Paul and I don't go every single week because sometimes our schedules don't exactly work out.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But
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[SPEAKER_01]: Uh, if we do this show, it'll be following the rap.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So you'll have the rap, you have takedown, then you'll have the dynamite show, then you'll have speaking of strong style.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And of course, we have our weekend content for the AEW and WWE.
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[SPEAKER_01]: paper view PLEs and then my less regular shows like Observe this which we're figuring that one out because Draven and I just finished 1984 and any other shows that we do semi-regularly.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So what I asked Paul today is to come up with a prediction for AEW,
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[SPEAKER_01]: and WWE, and that'll be the kind of the focus of the show today, but before we get going, I'm assuming Tonahashi Nakata is your match of the year for the first six days.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I mean, although, I mean, to Keshda and Suji was right there with it, so like, I mean, I gave them the same rating, but if I'm gonna pick one over the other,
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[SPEAKER_01]: one was like a mastery of something that not everybody can do.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And so I will always lean towards that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like townhashing Okada, what they did is kind of like,
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[SPEAKER_01]: What I wish every big match was, in a sense, and, you know, Takeshita and Suji's athleticism and moves, and it kind of resembled like an AEW match, like this is what you get in AEW for their big stuff.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So it's like, I see a lot of that already, but I don't see a lot of little kind of Antona.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, that, I mean, it was similar.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, better.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, actually, for my taste, it wasn't better, but I would think most people would say it was better.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Similar to the scene at AJ match, which should have been his final match in my opinion.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like that match, the way it went down and everything.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I understand why it was Gunther, but if it had been AJ and it had been on that stage
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[SPEAKER_00]: But it wasn't, but it was similar like hot cake.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I like the Gunther match better.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, no, I, yeah, I thought, I mean, the AJ scene was my match of the year, and I mean, honestly, I'd probably say the best match I've ever seen for me, for my taste, you know, and I'm sure I'm like the only person that thinks that, but maybe, but maybe AJ's family and scene of family.
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[SPEAKER_00]: maybe not even that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think I think AJ would maybe even say town of hot, the town of Hashimachi, and at the G1 and 2015 was his best match he's ever had.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, it's funny.
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[SPEAKER_01]: What's funny is, um, so obviously we're recording this after raw and this whole idea of
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[SPEAKER_01]: Adam Pearce being like you just need to be more respectful like that whole thing is silly with with Gunther and so AJ comes out because every you know everybody for whatever reason in both companies like the punch line is to get the heel to say the word bitch for whatever reason like here we are in 2026
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[SPEAKER_01]: and AJ comes out and Gunther's doing the whole thing of where he's just interrupting him every time he tries to speak.
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[SPEAKER_01]: This is like Morton Downey and Rattie were already piper all over again like from Russell.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and Dax does it all the time with almost two doors and so I'm watching it and I'm like
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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, AJ, slap the mic out of this doot's hand like just the hurry up already like we're sick of this because we see it it's it's a thing that happens on there's too much wrestling on TV every joke has been used like just slap the mic of this doot's hands so we can move on and he didn't do that but he did finally slap and I was like oh my gosh thankfully like these.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Baby faces with no teeth in them and finally AJ smacked him in the in the face and they're going to set up a match so that Gunther kills him.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm assuming.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yeah, and in Germany.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: All right.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Let's get to our predictions.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Which one would you like to do first?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, I guess I could start with WWE.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, and it's not like, I had a side of groundbreaking prediction or anything.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But, um, I think that Stammy Zane is going to win his very first title.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know who it'll be from.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It could, you know, could be one of the current champions.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Could be later.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But he will lose it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: very quickly, like, probably his first defense or, you know, within like a month to Oberfemi.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, I thought you were going to say trick.
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[SPEAKER_00]: No, no, that's too easy.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, they're setting up something with Sammy and trick.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, clearly, yeah, I think they're going to, they're going to have a match and, and, you know, and I think that gets a first match, you know, so it'll, it'll be a match
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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, I, I could be a, I could be a rumble match, maybe, but what do you think of the way that they are presenting?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Oba, trick, and javon.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So oba's getting all the video packages and the, and, and, you know, here he comes, like this is the age old thing that that we've seen forever and ever.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Trick just gets to be on TV and he gets to cut promos and he's doing it that way.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not sure what Jufan is actually doing because they signed him yesterday and the brother wasn't even on the show.
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[SPEAKER_01]: No, that was weird.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, because I saw that tweet and I thought, okay, well, this is probably on the show because I was watching until late.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then no, he wasn't even on the show.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I mean, it's not like they didn't have time.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He was on the international feed.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So if you have the feed, if you have the feed where you don't get the commercials, they do the little interplays and stuff, supposedly he was on that version.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Because I saw it like I did watch the international feed and and I saw a lot of the stuff that you know you probably didn't get to see, but I didn't see Javan unless I maybe skip past it, because there are times when you get a thing up in the corner that tells you how much commercials are left and you can skip past it and so maybe it was during that and I skipped past it like by mistake.
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[SPEAKER_00]: it's possible.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Because I did see like I saw a promo with Logan Paul and Austin Theory that I don't think a lot of people saw and there was like a backstage segment with um well after Stephanie got beat down they showed more backstage where she got beat down again.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, there was, yeah, there was, there was quite a few things that I was pretty sure that the US probably didn't get to see, but I didn't see him, but yeah, it's weird.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, and he's also been featured on the shows like he's had matches, you know, like Javans bin, he wrestled, he's wrestling on SmackDown.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He's wrestling on XD or I mean, on RAW, he even wrestled in AAA, whereas Oba, I mean, he got the Saturdays made event match, but it's almost like Oba, they're, they're saving him, like they wanted like make,
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[SPEAKER_00]: which is why I predicted he'd be the one to beat Sammy.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like I feel like Oba is the one of the three that's going to be the big like the Brock, you know.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They're saving him, but they kind of spoiled him on.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's the center of the next main event show, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, like, well, it's awesome.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, he went toe to toe with the world champ to with a no decision.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So, I mean, by WWE book, and that's pretty strong.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, most other places you would think about that kind of sucked.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But for them, I mean, to have him in there with Cody and not lose, you know, that tells me that they like him.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, and I do think they like him.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think he's,
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[SPEAKER_01]: his size will be interesting in the land of the giants.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think his size will stand out that much when he's up there when you when he's in the ring with Randy Orton and you're like, oh my gosh, Randy Orton's bigger than this dude like that's going to be interesting.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I would prefer trick just because I I think charisma and and that stuff goes further than just being, you know, the big beast, but they're both great, you know, they're both he came off as such a star on on SmackDown.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like I don't think it could have gone much better for him.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It was it was pretty it was pretty darn good.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The only thing I will say is that you could just tell he was nervous and of course he's going to be nervous.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's a pretty big stage.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But Javan Evans like,
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[SPEAKER_01]: if you were trying to attract the younger audience like he's the one right because like it's the same thing with my kid my kid is you know he's in his early 20s mid 20s but he's so he's not super young but when he goes on TikTok and he's like how's Osprey and I was like oh he's great he's like yeah that dude looks like he should be the biggest star in all of wrestling like that's where you need to push Javan Evans is for that audience
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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, because he, he will, you know, he looks just, I can imagine he looks amazing and 30 second crazy insane clips.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So it's just interesting that they chose to do it that way.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, but I think Javan is going to end up being like the Jeff Hardy, like if you go back like 20, 25 years ago to where like they're pushing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, by and trick, but it's javon that the fans are really pushing for, you know what I mean?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like I feel like we could, we could end up with that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So what do you, but what do you think about the three of them coming up before Ricky Stark's?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Because Ricky Stark's just based on where he's been, he is probably more stage ready for everything that is going to be thrown at those guys than those guys are.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I just think it's it's kind of interesting that they're just holding him back just that little bit longer, even though technically he's like the one that should be easily the most adaptable.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I guess Ricky Saints is not Ricky Starks.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I don't feel good about Ricky right now, but yeah, but you know, I mean, I think, you know, I mean, it's time we'll tell when he gets to the main roster, but I feel like he's a level below all them, you know, like I think it's trick, why the question is why size, I think probably, like I don't think that should be the reason, but I think that is the reason.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I it's not even size it's Jeff Jeff on on on the dynamite show pointed this out to me and and I've been thinking about it ever since it's not that he's that small because really like sometimes when he's in there like he's he's bigger than you think than you think but it's the way I wish I could think of the word he used he comes off as.
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[SPEAKER_00]: What is it?
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's the word faint that he used.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, it's a presence.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, it's almost like, he doesn't carry himself like a big guy.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He carries himself like a, almost like a pretty boy that not a fighter.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know what I mean?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, if he was playing like a rock star or something like that, he would come off better but because he's supposed to be a fighter, he doesn't really come off like a fighter.
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[SPEAKER_00]: it's like nothing wrong with his wrestling to me.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He has always carried himself as like a a smart me kind of heel like that's his character is almost the best in that way because he's he's a little smaller but he's a wise crack and dude and he's quick on his feet and that's how I would present him but at the same time
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[SPEAKER_01]: He's got baby face charisma.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's just they have to figure out how to present him in that way.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But you look at Carmelo Hayes, he and Carmelo Hayes, I imagine are pretty close to the same size.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but Carmelo Hayes haven't really good matches on SmackDown.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It is, and it's all about the way they carry themselves.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And, and again, like I think,
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[SPEAKER_00]: Starks or saints has way more, I wouldn't say way more, because he's as charisma too, but he has more charisma than he's and he should have a higher ceiling, but there's just something, I don't know it's it's hard to put your finger on and if the decision makers get something in their head about you, it's your kind of like screwed almost.
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[SPEAKER_01]: All right, I'll do my AEW prediction first, and my AEW prediction is, we have had lots of harmony on the AEW brand in the locker room.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We hear nothing but good things.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Tony Con is preaching about how his company, you know, his, they've never been better.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And he's always so happy.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Every paper uses his new favorite, and yet,
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[SPEAKER_01]: After this great year, he kind of went back to the well with MJF as his number one star wins the title at World's End and the presentation on the following dynamite was that MJF is the center of all attention.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And these baby faces are all either coming for him or below him.
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[SPEAKER_01]: There's there's there's something there that I I'm trying to figure out how Tony sees that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Kenny Omega, Hangman Page, Swerf Strickland, they come out and or Kenny wasn't there.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He should have been there, by the way, though, I think that was a flaw in the thing, like if he's not there, there's no reason for him to be on TV.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He doesn't.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He's got a connection with the audience that is not going to work on a, you know, on a video that he sends in, but
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[SPEAKER_01]: Hangman we just got got through with the twenty twenty five of hangman being the conquering hero of the company saved the company and then now you know he just seems to have lost a lot of that and is in his ultimately like the perennial number one contender it seems because he keeps getting a ticket away from him uh... and so my my prediction is that
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[SPEAKER_01]: We may hear a little bit more disarmony about the favoritism of the top guy.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Now, this is not a shot at anybody.
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[SPEAKER_01]: This is how wrestling works essentially.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But I think if you're gonna look at how
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[SPEAKER_01]: Vince McMahon let's use Vince McMahon because we know that that in the past how Vince McMahon treated Hogan versus everybody else how he treated Sean Michaels versus everybody else how he treated Triple H versus everybody else by treating your top star in that specific way it does create tension for all the other guys
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not sure mjf is that much bigger of a draw than everyone else for him to get this treatment.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It very much feels like they just have a roster of like really cool guys and he's probably got the most charisma, but if mjf is on a show is he doing as champion as he doing 100,000 more viewers, 50,000 more viewers, then say if
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[SPEAKER_01]: hangman page was on television.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, it's clear that he's probably a little bit of a bigger draw, but from a business perspective, they were doing these great paper view numbers, and MJF is not even on TV.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I just wonder, and this will be my prediction.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I will go out in the limb and say that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think we're going to hear a little bit more about some frustrations with MJF constantly being the chosen one, especially if this goes all the way through all in, like I think it will at least go through.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think it's going to be as cumbaia as it was all year with John Moxley and Hangman page as your two top guys.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Interesting.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I first off, I liked what they did with mjf because I do feel like the world champion should be the guy that everyone in the company's after.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I like the idea of what they did, although I agree that Kenny definitely should have been there.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But it also, it does show and it's very clear whether or not mjf is a draw or not.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I haven't really seen any evidence
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think he is probably the biggest star of all their top guys in terms of real world.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So theoretically, he should be a bigger draw.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, we know that that doesn't always factor in when you look at the results.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But I mean, he was in happy Gilmore.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He's doing other movies.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He's got mainstream fame.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I know he's real big in the Jewish community.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know like watch it just because of him, you know, and and to them like he throws them little Easter eggs like that, you know, you wouldn't even know about except he does it because he knows his fans are paying attention.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I do think like when you see a guy like that and and when he has the belt, it's it's always been like this, whereas when Hangman has the belt.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, he's got his feud, and you know, and they put a little bit effort into it, you know, and it's always heated, and they do great promos and angles and whatnot, but it's like the central thing in the company is usually something else, you know, he won the title at all in, and then the focus for the next two paper of you cycles was Darby and Moxley, and then they did, and then it was the box.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then eventually like it finally got to hang man, but then he lost the belt and and then you know MJF comes back and oh now it's on the world title again because MJF's there can you answer a question for me if hang in is so mad at hook wise hook still alive.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know because like because hook that's a lot of friends.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, this is some like hangman really cares that much that hook interferes.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Can you ask a can you answer a question for me if if M.J. F was going to lose a belt, you think hook or someone on his level would be the one that costs in the belt?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like not.
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[SPEAKER_00]: No one would M.J. F let that happen.
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[SPEAKER_00]: No.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And that's a thing like if hangman had a and here.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I I almost said something.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I won't say it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I probably should, but I will say, I think to a lot of hardcore fans, they subconsciously you look at that and you think, okay, does he even really want this?
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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know how much of this is K-fabre not, but he says in interviews and stuff that he doesn't feel like he's like the top guy or whatever, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Or he doesn't.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, I compared him and when I did this Jeff, it was like a light bulb went off in his head.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think he's Tony Khan's staying.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like if you compare it to WCW, like Sting was always there, but he was never the top guy.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He was always the guy and more because of the shadow that was there than anything else for Sting though.
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[SPEAKER_01]: If Rick Flair didn't exist,
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[SPEAKER_01]: then he sting would have had this big shadow of failure underneath him and how's that different that that's mjf like mjf is like I consider mjf kind of bigger than the title
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[SPEAKER_01]: And yeah, I can see that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And whether he has it or not, he's seen as the big star.
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[SPEAKER_01]: When when Sting first beat Flair for the title, Rick Flair was an attack team title feud with
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[SPEAKER_01]: against a doom, I think, like that was like where he was.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Now, Rick Flare also cast a big shadow, but he cast the big shadow as sting cannot be the champion that Rick was.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think that's hangman's problem.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think the problem is, I mean, it's different, but it's the same in the sense that he's the guy that the fans are behind, but it doesn't feel like the promoters behind.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That is, I think that is true, and you can look at it, and I heard people telling me this, like, oh, the reason why you go from hangman to Joe is because you don't have any contenders, and I was like, who's fault is that?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You're going to change the title.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You should be setting up contenders for this guy who you're just changing the title to.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's like there's a reason to go to Joe.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then we find out, I mean, really, the reason why Joe won the title was
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[SPEAKER_01]: right like that I mean that that's it like I mean you know and you can tell you can make up whatever stories you want but that's the reason Dave Dave saying well I was just told it would make sense at the end and then it happens and I'm like did it really make sense like did it like make sense in story or did it make sense because you're you talked to the guy who writes a story yeah I mean it made sense because yeah like yeah
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, and it was that full gear, which is where MJF lost the belt to Joe.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So it's symmetry and Tony likes his symmetry and also because they didn't want MJF to beat Hangman right now.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We're just fine.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, actually.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I agree with that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And same thing with Swarve, like you want to save those guys.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I would have pushed that whole thing to revolution and because revolution is a big show.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And maybe that's what we'll get maybe we'll get hangman and I think we're going to get three way.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think I hate that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I hate that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I know, man.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I know, but it's all off together.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And the canny thing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I feel like that one is down the road.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like maybe Dressel Dynasty.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, you know, it feels like something that they're setting up almost like they did with Jeff Jarrett last year, except this time they're going to pay it off.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I've asked a few people this question.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I have my answer, I've asked Dave, I've asked LaRaca, I've asked my buddy Draven.
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[SPEAKER_01]: If it's not Osprey at all in, who do you have be the baby face at all in?
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[SPEAKER_01]: John Moxon.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And this is part of it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: This is why I was kind of joking.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I was like John Moxon's like the smartest guy in the game.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yep.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And except this goes back to my prediction.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, MJF wanna lose to John Moxley.
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[SPEAKER_01]: No, and I think the MJF will win if it's Moxley.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And that's a problem.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's why it's probably- And then this is where you're gonna get to what your prediction was.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I was thinking about, I was thinking about that question as you were talking about your prediction and how this would all come up.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And it's that, like, yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Because people are gonna resent the fact that MJF beats Moxley at all in.
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[SPEAKER_00]: If that happens.
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[SPEAKER_00]: All right, what's your AEW prediction?
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[SPEAKER_00]: My AW prediction is, you know, and again, like you, not quite a positive one.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I kind of, I kind of hope I'm wrong, but I feel like I might not be.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think that by the end of the year, and it'll happen sometime between in the second half of the year.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think the relationship between AW and New Japan is going to end.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Interesting.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I just feel like there's stuff coming out of the New Japan side where they're not happy with what's going on and that doesn't necessarily mean they're going to jump into bed with WWE because I don't think they will, but that's also, is this a ton of Hashi and Tony con problem?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, more of a Tony con and, and, like, the fans and the lot of the wrestlers, I haven't really seen Tana Hashimake those kind of comments, but I thought you were relating it to why it wasn't Nakamura instead of, uh, Okada.
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[SPEAKER_00]: oh no no that that's totally different like that that was more I mean that was WWE you know and and really like and it was New Japan being good partners but see and this this gets to the crux of why I think this relationship's gonna end is because I think that New Japan does everything to be be good partners and I think that you don't see that on the other end
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think that on the other end, AW favors CMLL as their number one partner.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And they do everything to go backwards to help CMLL to make the most of that relationship and it helps both sides.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Don't get me wrong.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They're also closer, like their North America, so it's easier to work with them.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Whereas in New Japan, it's like, New Japan, AW takes what they need from New Japan, but they don't really give back very much.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, they give them the game will caught up, but they lost.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Sorry, go ahead.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The young bucks didn't do that video to announce AEW at Arena Mexico.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, that is true.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That is true.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And, and I mean, you know, and now, and so we got off right now, returned in New Japan, and is promised to wrestle in New Japan, and I feel like that is not going to
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[SPEAKER_00]: people are going to be upset about that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: A lot of people probably don't even realize it because they may not have watched New Year's Dash, but you know, you hear about things, and it was kind of weird.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And so now Tony is probably going to politics to try to make sure that Osprey's first matchback is not in New Japan, but it's in AWS.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, it'll have to be an AWS.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It has to be an AWS.
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[SPEAKER_00]: No, because he already did that once with Kenny.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Whether or not
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[SPEAKER_01]: this Osprey and it's it's a Cal Newman, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Cal, whether or not that happened, I'm sure it will happen in some, I mean, maybe it'll be up for Bindor, which is, you know, technically both both companies.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But my first thought when I saw, I, I read about, I saw them seen it, but I read about it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I was like,
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[SPEAKER_01]: Dude, you cannot be wasting your bumps in New Japan because what the angle that he's coming back to now, I'm assuming we're going to forget about the deathwriters because it doesn't make sense anymore.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But the angle that he should be coming back to in AEW is this all-in thing.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Now if it's post all-in, if he can't get there by then,
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[SPEAKER_01]: and he wants to do something in New Japan.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think that's okay, but I still think his first match needs to be at an A.W.
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[SPEAKER_00]: paper.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Now, now he did say I have some business to take care of in A.W, but once that's done, I'm coming back to New Japan.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So that the wording by itself leads you to believe that it'll be at A.W.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Now, you said that's writers, it is funny.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The United
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[SPEAKER_00]: which Calm Newman is now kind of almost running with on draw day who is part of the Cal's family.
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[SPEAKER_00]: you know like in a w technically although i don't know if i don't know if that's still a thing but there are there are pieces between the united empire and the calis family to where will ask for it's almost the same as what it was when he showed up in in a w and he was part of the calis family but he was still baby face like it's almost like that in new Japan now with with the with the uh you know the empire so i i don't put it past that whole the whole story line in a
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[SPEAKER_00]: in terms of like, is on dry, is still part of the, part of the calcium.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, does United Empire, are they working with the calcium family?
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then what does that mean for Will Osprey?
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[SPEAKER_00]: And also what does it mean for the death riders?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Because death riders are going to be feuding with them.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, it's all very interesting.
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[SPEAKER_00]: A lot of machinations.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But again, I still think like after Fervindor, I could see that relationship kind of falling apart.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And by next year's Tokyo Dom, I wouldn't be surprised if there's nobody from a W on that show.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then like it does open the door to working with WWE, like I don't think they'd have a full-fledged partnership, but I do think does that mean AJ Styles goes back and works to show what the Tokyo dome, you know, like, or well, he might be retired, but maybe Finn Mowler, you know, like somebody else who's got history there.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Knock emura, obviously.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They are doing a G1 in Chicago, so they need to be well, it has to be AEW talent in the G1, in order for that to happen, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: I would think so.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I would think to catch stuff for sure, and maybe, you know, maybe somebody like Kevin Knight, Kevin Knight actually, that should be an
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[SPEAKER_01]: All right.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'll do my WWE one and then we'll get out of here.
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[SPEAKER_01]: My WWE prediction is that in 2026, with SmackDown moving to three hours.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Now, I think anybody predicting WWE's business dropping off a little bit like that's kind of an easy one.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They're just so high.
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[SPEAKER_01]: If you're predicting that,
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[SPEAKER_01]: they are either going to plateau or they're going to drop a little bit.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think that's like easy because that's just predicting something that looks that you just can't stay as hot as they've been for for that long.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I'm sure their business is going to be down a little bit.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Whether it's even or a little bit down like I think that's probably going to happen no matter no matter what.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But my actual prediction is that we're going to see and we're already seeing this with SmackDown tapings or SmackDown live shows the their numbers are down attendance wise.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think we're going to see that continue to happen.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think we're also going to see ratings for SmackDown go down.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I will not be surprised if we see that number get under a million
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[SPEAKER_01]: uh as we get down the line probably more so post WrestleMania season than anything else because I don't know how long they're going to stay at three hours.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That shows is a chore to get to on the weekend because they do not treat it like raw where that's where all the news comes out that Ross sets the the tone for the week and Smackdown is kind of the book end.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Now Smackdown does have
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[SPEAKER_01]: Some good wrestling, if you're interested in watching, guys like Ali Dragon, I've we mentioned Carmelo Hayes, but I watched that Alster Black and Damian Priest, and I was like, these brothers are trying their asses off, and I don't care that much because this feud exists on a show that I just don't watch as timely as I do raw.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And so I think Smackdown's gonna struggle, and I think because of that Netflix relationship,
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[SPEAKER_01]: they need to keep raw as strong as possible.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I'm not sure if they're going to trade that much talent back to make SmackDown that big of a deal.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think we may see a little bit of a tradition there.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think we may see the attempts at least to build some younger stars there.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We're already seeing it with trick.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I wouldn't, not to say that SmackDown is the be show because they do have the champion Cody is on that show, but it's not enough right now for me to prioritize it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like I still see raw as the one show that I could
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[SPEAKER_01]: kind of want to make sure that I watch no matter what, even I even prioritize raw over dynamite most weeks as well.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then smack down this kind of like the third show of the week that if I get to it, I'll get to it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And if not,
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[SPEAKER_01]: it'll be because I just run out of time on Sunday and then by Monday already I mean I don't want to start watching act out and be behind on raw so that's kind of how it is and I'm not saying I am everybody but when you just buy the schedule of that show I'm sure lots of people just run out of time in watching it too so yeah I think SmackDown business is going to be down I think the ratings are going to be down and I don't think
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[SPEAKER_01]: they're going to do too much to fix that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like I don't think we're going to see a draft, we're all of a sudden, punk and reapply smooth over to Smackdown.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think they're going to be okay with that being sort of the B plus show to the A show overall.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, they are.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They have been below a million a couple times already.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Usually, you know, if there's like big competition or, you know, like a tape show or something like that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I, you know, I definitely think that'll be more of a regular thing, especially come college football season again.
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[SPEAKER_00]: college football and then you've also got this run that they're going to be doing for the next I think month or maybe even two months where they're in Europe so you're going to have these tape shows That you know by the time they air in the United States, they're you know, they may be you know They're three hours long and the news made already be out so you may get people that you know They hear about what happened and they'll only watch you know like oh yeah, I heard Randy Orton did this so I maybe I'll watch that
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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, you know, and, and I think that's what how, you know, smack down the way people are watching it now probably is like, okay, I'll watch the earlier dragon off match.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'll watch whatever big angle they did.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then you know, I could skip the rest of it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, you know, and you know that the USA network is no longer a part of NBC universal.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I didn't know that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It is completely spun off on company called Versant.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And so you don't even have the peacock relationship anymore, right.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So that, well, that's what's going to be interesting is now, they still have the peacock Saturday night main event relationship.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's NBC universal under the NBC universal umbrella.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So very similarly to how if WBD splits in the way that we think it will, whether it's Netflix or or not, like there's a possibility where HBO Max and the cable networks that AEW runs on are going to be in different companies, that is literally what is happening right now with with Smackdown and the NXT PLEs and the
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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, the PLEs they don't even have a home right after March as of right now.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I don't I don't know and the other the other funny thing is
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[SPEAKER_01]: the WWE archives have moved to Netflix.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, at least the PLEs have and some rods.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, there's a whole, like, that's the stuff I don't want to watch.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't need to probably, the same as what we have now in Canada, like what we've had for the last year.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's select, I mean, there's, especially from recent years, there's a lot of rods, but if you go, if you wanna find, like, pick a date in, like, 2009, you know, like, you're not gonna find the rod that you want.
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[SPEAKER_00]: you know unless it's like it feels like a special show it might be there like a thousand that episode or whatever but yeah it's it's very sparse but yeah all the paper views are there so that's you know some people like that but yeah I know guys like you and me and none of the WCW or territories or any of that like that's all gone.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and and I do hope that we do get that stuff on YouTube at some point like they can actually blow that thing out on YouTube and and make it really You know, really for the hardcore's the hardcore archive guys like that that would be very smart of them to do so I do hope, but it's a lot of work right you're yeah you're you're putting a lot of video up and there's time and you got to hire people to do that so
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[SPEAKER_01]: Anyways, I realized that both of my predictions were kind of semi-negative.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I didn't really even mean the AEW one to be negative.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm just kind of like seeing the, you know, kind of how the- Well, something like that doesn't have to be negative.
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[SPEAKER_00]: No, and it's just he's wrestling.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's just how he won't always work stage.
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[SPEAKER_00]: When everything's cumbaia, it's like, well, nobody's really trying to be the top guy.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And that's,
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[SPEAKER_00]: Really, like, that's kind of what Moxley's whole angle was about, you know, like, you want these guys to take it, you don't want them to just sit there and wait for it to be given to them.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You want them to come out and take it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's, I mean, that's the whole crux of what that whole death writer's thing was.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And the problem is nobody did it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So Moxley did it himself.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And he's about to do it again.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yep.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Artists guy, smart guy.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And it is Mercedes, the smartest woman for losing on a dynamite that seems like very few people watched.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and losing another title on a collision on a Saturday afternoon and losing another title on a ring of honor, pay for you that nobody watched.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then what she's going to do like come to Winnipeg and, you know, while they're here, so she'll do an indie the night before and drop that Winnipeg title.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You should have a rule.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, you can't put any of these shows on Triller.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That'd be funny.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I still think that the whole thing she'll lose all their titles and the only one she'll have left is the Owen and then, you know, Renee, I'll show up backstage.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I need that bell back.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: She's got no bell.
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[SPEAKER_01]: All right.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That is it from here.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Paul, you'll be back on the Dynamite show on Wednesday.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, tomorrow night.
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[SPEAKER_01]: What is on Dynamite this week?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Bandito and Sammy.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know, there's more, but more bandito wasn't even involved in that main of an angle, I'm like this man, this bro, all he needed to do, he didn't need to cut a promo, he just needed to come out at the end, point his fake gun at mjf and that was it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: There's gotta be more, but that's the only thing I could think of.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's what you don't understand me.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so three hours.
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[SPEAKER_01]: All right, wait, three hours show?
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[SPEAKER_01]: No, I'm kidding.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, I was gonna say, oh my gosh, I'm not ready for that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: All right, that is it from here.
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[SPEAKER_01]: For Paul M.W.G.C.
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[SPEAKER_01]: when we see you piece out.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We are back with the first episode of takedown of 2026 and before Paul and I get started here.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I just want to mention we've slightly adjusted our podcast schedule.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Now we have a YouTube schedule and we have a podcast audio schedule, but we are moving the rap with Kila and Salty Scott to after Monday night raw.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They had been previously recording
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I don't know, I think people will just be more interested in their immediate raw takes than their immediate NXT takes.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Everything else is the same except we're going to adjust this podcast.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Now, Paul and I don't go every single week because sometimes our schedules don't exactly work out.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But
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[SPEAKER_01]: Uh, if we do this show, it'll be following the rap.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So you'll have the rap, you have takedown, then you'll have the dynamite show, then you'll have speaking of strong style.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And of course, we have our weekend content for the AEW and WWE.
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[SPEAKER_01]: paper view PLEs and then my less regular shows like Observe this which we're figuring that one out because Draven and I just finished 1984 and any other shows that we do semi-regularly.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So what I asked Paul today is to come up with a prediction for AEW,
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[SPEAKER_01]: and WWE, and that'll be the kind of the focus of the show today, but before we get going, I'm assuming Tonahashi Nakata is your match of the year for the first six days.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I mean, although, I mean, to Keshda and Suji was right there with it, so like, I mean, I gave them the same rating, but if I'm gonna pick one over the other,
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[SPEAKER_01]: one was like a mastery of something that not everybody can do.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And so I will always lean towards that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like townhashing Okada, what they did is kind of like,
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[SPEAKER_01]: What I wish every big match was, in a sense, and, you know, Takeshita and Suji's athleticism and moves, and it kind of resembled like an AEW match, like this is what you get in AEW for their big stuff.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So it's like, I see a lot of that already, but I don't see a lot of little kind of Antona.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, that, I mean, it was similar.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, better.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, actually, for my taste, it wasn't better, but I would think most people would say it was better.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Similar to the scene at AJ match, which should have been his final match in my opinion.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like that match, the way it went down and everything.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I understand why it was Gunther, but if it had been AJ and it had been on that stage
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[SPEAKER_00]: But it wasn't, but it was similar like hot cake.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I like the Gunther match better.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, no, I, yeah, I thought, I mean, the AJ scene was my match of the year, and I mean, honestly, I'd probably say the best match I've ever seen for me, for my taste, you know, and I'm sure I'm like the only person that thinks that, but maybe, but maybe AJ's family and scene of family.
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[SPEAKER_00]: maybe not even that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think I think AJ would maybe even say town of hot, the town of Hashimachi, and at the G1 and 2015 was his best match he's ever had.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, it's funny.
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[SPEAKER_01]: What's funny is, um, so obviously we're recording this after raw and this whole idea of
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[SPEAKER_01]: Adam Pearce being like you just need to be more respectful like that whole thing is silly with with Gunther and so AJ comes out because every you know everybody for whatever reason in both companies like the punch line is to get the heel to say the word bitch for whatever reason like here we are in 2026
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[SPEAKER_01]: and AJ comes out and Gunther's doing the whole thing of where he's just interrupting him every time he tries to speak.
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[SPEAKER_01]: This is like Morton Downey and Rattie were already piper all over again like from Russell.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and Dax does it all the time with almost two doors and so I'm watching it and I'm like
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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, AJ, slap the mic out of this doot's hand like just the hurry up already like we're sick of this because we see it it's it's a thing that happens on there's too much wrestling on TV every joke has been used like just slap the mic of this doot's hands so we can move on and he didn't do that but he did finally slap and I was like oh my gosh thankfully like these.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Baby faces with no teeth in them and finally AJ smacked him in the in the face and they're going to set up a match so that Gunther kills him.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm assuming.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yeah, and in Germany.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: All right.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Let's get to our predictions.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Which one would you like to do first?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, I guess I could start with WWE.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, and it's not like, I had a side of groundbreaking prediction or anything.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But, um, I think that Stammy Zane is going to win his very first title.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know who it'll be from.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It could, you know, could be one of the current champions.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Could be later.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But he will lose it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: very quickly, like, probably his first defense or, you know, within like a month to Oberfemi.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, I thought you were going to say trick.
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[SPEAKER_00]: No, no, that's too easy.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, they're setting up something with Sammy and trick.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, clearly, yeah, I think they're going to, they're going to have a match and, and, you know, and I think that gets a first match, you know, so it'll, it'll be a match
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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, I, I could be a, I could be a rumble match, maybe, but what do you think of the way that they are presenting?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Oba, trick, and javon.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So oba's getting all the video packages and the, and, and, you know, here he comes, like this is the age old thing that that we've seen forever and ever.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Trick just gets to be on TV and he gets to cut promos and he's doing it that way.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not sure what Jufan is actually doing because they signed him yesterday and the brother wasn't even on the show.
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[SPEAKER_01]: No, that was weird.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, because I saw that tweet and I thought, okay, well, this is probably on the show because I was watching until late.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then no, he wasn't even on the show.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I mean, it's not like they didn't have time.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He was on the international feed.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So if you have the feed, if you have the feed where you don't get the commercials, they do the little interplays and stuff, supposedly he was on that version.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Because I saw it like I did watch the international feed and and I saw a lot of the stuff that you know you probably didn't get to see, but I didn't see Javan unless I maybe skip past it, because there are times when you get a thing up in the corner that tells you how much commercials are left and you can skip past it and so maybe it was during that and I skipped past it like by mistake.
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[SPEAKER_00]: it's possible.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Because I did see like I saw a promo with Logan Paul and Austin Theory that I don't think a lot of people saw and there was like a backstage segment with um well after Stephanie got beat down they showed more backstage where she got beat down again.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, there was, yeah, there was, there was quite a few things that I was pretty sure that the US probably didn't get to see, but I didn't see him, but yeah, it's weird.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, and he's also been featured on the shows like he's had matches, you know, like Javans bin, he wrestled, he's wrestling on SmackDown.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He's wrestling on XD or I mean, on RAW, he even wrestled in AAA, whereas Oba, I mean, he got the Saturdays made event match, but it's almost like Oba, they're, they're saving him, like they wanted like make,
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[SPEAKER_00]: which is why I predicted he'd be the one to beat Sammy.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like I feel like Oba is the one of the three that's going to be the big like the Brock, you know.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They're saving him, but they kind of spoiled him on.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's the center of the next main event show, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, like, well, it's awesome.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, he went toe to toe with the world champ to with a no decision.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So, I mean, by WWE book, and that's pretty strong.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, most other places you would think about that kind of sucked.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But for them, I mean, to have him in there with Cody and not lose, you know, that tells me that they like him.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, and I do think they like him.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think he's,
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[SPEAKER_01]: his size will be interesting in the land of the giants.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think his size will stand out that much when he's up there when you when he's in the ring with Randy Orton and you're like, oh my gosh, Randy Orton's bigger than this dude like that's going to be interesting.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I would prefer trick just because I I think charisma and and that stuff goes further than just being, you know, the big beast, but they're both great, you know, they're both he came off as such a star on on SmackDown.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like I don't think it could have gone much better for him.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It was it was pretty it was pretty darn good.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The only thing I will say is that you could just tell he was nervous and of course he's going to be nervous.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's a pretty big stage.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But Javan Evans like,
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[SPEAKER_01]: if you were trying to attract the younger audience like he's the one right because like it's the same thing with my kid my kid is you know he's in his early 20s mid 20s but he's so he's not super young but when he goes on TikTok and he's like how's Osprey and I was like oh he's great he's like yeah that dude looks like he should be the biggest star in all of wrestling like that's where you need to push Javan Evans is for that audience
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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, because he, he will, you know, he looks just, I can imagine he looks amazing and 30 second crazy insane clips.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So it's just interesting that they chose to do it that way.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, but I think Javan is going to end up being like the Jeff Hardy, like if you go back like 20, 25 years ago to where like they're pushing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, by and trick, but it's javon that the fans are really pushing for, you know what I mean?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like I feel like we could, we could end up with that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So what do you, but what do you think about the three of them coming up before Ricky Stark's?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Because Ricky Stark's just based on where he's been, he is probably more stage ready for everything that is going to be thrown at those guys than those guys are.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I just think it's it's kind of interesting that they're just holding him back just that little bit longer, even though technically he's like the one that should be easily the most adaptable.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I guess Ricky Saints is not Ricky Starks.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I don't feel good about Ricky right now, but yeah, but you know, I mean, I think, you know, I mean, it's time we'll tell when he gets to the main roster, but I feel like he's a level below all them, you know, like I think it's trick, why the question is why size, I think probably, like I don't think that should be the reason, but I think that is the reason.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I it's not even size it's Jeff Jeff on on on the dynamite show pointed this out to me and and I've been thinking about it ever since it's not that he's that small because really like sometimes when he's in there like he's he's bigger than you think than you think but it's the way I wish I could think of the word he used he comes off as.
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[SPEAKER_00]: What is it?
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's the word faint that he used.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, it's a presence.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, it's almost like, he doesn't carry himself like a big guy.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He carries himself like a, almost like a pretty boy that not a fighter.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know what I mean?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, if he was playing like a rock star or something like that, he would come off better but because he's supposed to be a fighter, he doesn't really come off like a fighter.
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[SPEAKER_00]: it's like nothing wrong with his wrestling to me.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He has always carried himself as like a a smart me kind of heel like that's his character is almost the best in that way because he's he's a little smaller but he's a wise crack and dude and he's quick on his feet and that's how I would present him but at the same time
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[SPEAKER_01]: He's got baby face charisma.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's just they have to figure out how to present him in that way.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But you look at Carmelo Hayes, he and Carmelo Hayes, I imagine are pretty close to the same size.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but Carmelo Hayes haven't really good matches on SmackDown.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It is, and it's all about the way they carry themselves.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And, and again, like I think,
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[SPEAKER_00]: Starks or saints has way more, I wouldn't say way more, because he's as charisma too, but he has more charisma than he's and he should have a higher ceiling, but there's just something, I don't know it's it's hard to put your finger on and if the decision makers get something in their head about you, it's your kind of like screwed almost.
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[SPEAKER_01]: All right, I'll do my AEW prediction first, and my AEW prediction is, we have had lots of harmony on the AEW brand in the locker room.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We hear nothing but good things.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Tony Con is preaching about how his company, you know, his, they've never been better.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And he's always so happy.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Every paper uses his new favorite, and yet,
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[SPEAKER_01]: After this great year, he kind of went back to the well with MJF as his number one star wins the title at World's End and the presentation on the following dynamite was that MJF is the center of all attention.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And these baby faces are all either coming for him or below him.
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[SPEAKER_01]: There's there's there's something there that I I'm trying to figure out how Tony sees that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Kenny Omega, Hangman Page, Swerf Strickland, they come out and or Kenny wasn't there.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He should have been there, by the way, though, I think that was a flaw in the thing, like if he's not there, there's no reason for him to be on TV.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He doesn't.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He's got a connection with the audience that is not going to work on a, you know, on a video that he sends in, but
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[SPEAKER_01]: Hangman we just got got through with the twenty twenty five of hangman being the conquering hero of the company saved the company and then now you know he just seems to have lost a lot of that and is in his ultimately like the perennial number one contender it seems because he keeps getting a ticket away from him uh... and so my my prediction is that
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[SPEAKER_01]: We may hear a little bit more disarmony about the favoritism of the top guy.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Now, this is not a shot at anybody.
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[SPEAKER_01]: This is how wrestling works essentially.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But I think if you're gonna look at how
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[SPEAKER_01]: Vince McMahon let's use Vince McMahon because we know that that in the past how Vince McMahon treated Hogan versus everybody else how he treated Sean Michaels versus everybody else how he treated Triple H versus everybody else by treating your top star in that specific way it does create tension for all the other guys
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not sure mjf is that much bigger of a draw than everyone else for him to get this treatment.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It very much feels like they just have a roster of like really cool guys and he's probably got the most charisma, but if mjf is on a show is he doing as champion as he doing 100,000 more viewers, 50,000 more viewers, then say if
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[SPEAKER_01]: hangman page was on television.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, it's clear that he's probably a little bit of a bigger draw, but from a business perspective, they were doing these great paper view numbers, and MJF is not even on TV.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I just wonder, and this will be my prediction.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I will go out in the limb and say that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think we're going to hear a little bit more about some frustrations with MJF constantly being the chosen one, especially if this goes all the way through all in, like I think it will at least go through.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think it's going to be as cumbaia as it was all year with John Moxley and Hangman page as your two top guys.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Interesting.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I first off, I liked what they did with mjf because I do feel like the world champion should be the guy that everyone in the company's after.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I like the idea of what they did, although I agree that Kenny definitely should have been there.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But it also, it does show and it's very clear whether or not mjf is a draw or not.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I haven't really seen any evidence
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think he is probably the biggest star of all their top guys in terms of real world.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So theoretically, he should be a bigger draw.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, we know that that doesn't always factor in when you look at the results.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But I mean, he was in happy Gilmore.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He's doing other movies.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He's got mainstream fame.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I know he's real big in the Jewish community.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know like watch it just because of him, you know, and and to them like he throws them little Easter eggs like that, you know, you wouldn't even know about except he does it because he knows his fans are paying attention.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I do think like when you see a guy like that and and when he has the belt, it's it's always been like this, whereas when Hangman has the belt.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, he's got his feud, and you know, and they put a little bit effort into it, you know, and it's always heated, and they do great promos and angles and whatnot, but it's like the central thing in the company is usually something else, you know, he won the title at all in, and then the focus for the next two paper of you cycles was Darby and Moxley, and then they did, and then it was the box.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then eventually like it finally got to hang man, but then he lost the belt and and then you know MJF comes back and oh now it's on the world title again because MJF's there can you answer a question for me if hang in is so mad at hook wise hook still alive.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know because like because hook that's a lot of friends.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, this is some like hangman really cares that much that hook interferes.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Can you ask a can you answer a question for me if if M.J. F was going to lose a belt, you think hook or someone on his level would be the one that costs in the belt?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like not.
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[SPEAKER_00]: No one would M.J. F let that happen.
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[SPEAKER_00]: No.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And that's a thing like if hangman had a and here.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I I almost said something.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I won't say it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I probably should, but I will say, I think to a lot of hardcore fans, they subconsciously you look at that and you think, okay, does he even really want this?
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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know how much of this is K-fabre not, but he says in interviews and stuff that he doesn't feel like he's like the top guy or whatever, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Or he doesn't.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, I compared him and when I did this Jeff, it was like a light bulb went off in his head.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think he's Tony Khan's staying.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like if you compare it to WCW, like Sting was always there, but he was never the top guy.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He was always the guy and more because of the shadow that was there than anything else for Sting though.
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[SPEAKER_01]: If Rick Flair didn't exist,
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[SPEAKER_01]: then he sting would have had this big shadow of failure underneath him and how's that different that that's mjf like mjf is like I consider mjf kind of bigger than the title
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[SPEAKER_01]: And yeah, I can see that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And whether he has it or not, he's seen as the big star.
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[SPEAKER_01]: When when Sting first beat Flair for the title, Rick Flair was an attack team title feud with
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[SPEAKER_01]: against a doom, I think, like that was like where he was.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Now, Rick Flare also cast a big shadow, but he cast the big shadow as sting cannot be the champion that Rick was.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think that's hangman's problem.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think the problem is, I mean, it's different, but it's the same in the sense that he's the guy that the fans are behind, but it doesn't feel like the promoters behind.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That is, I think that is true, and you can look at it, and I heard people telling me this, like, oh, the reason why you go from hangman to Joe is because you don't have any contenders, and I was like, who's fault is that?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You're going to change the title.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You should be setting up contenders for this guy who you're just changing the title to.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's like there's a reason to go to Joe.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then we find out, I mean, really, the reason why Joe won the title was
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[SPEAKER_01]: right like that I mean that that's it like I mean you know and you can tell you can make up whatever stories you want but that's the reason Dave Dave saying well I was just told it would make sense at the end and then it happens and I'm like did it really make sense like did it like make sense in story or did it make sense because you're you talked to the guy who writes a story yeah I mean it made sense because yeah like yeah
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, and it was that full gear, which is where MJF lost the belt to Joe.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So it's symmetry and Tony likes his symmetry and also because they didn't want MJF to beat Hangman right now.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We're just fine.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, actually.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I agree with that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And same thing with Swarve, like you want to save those guys.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I would have pushed that whole thing to revolution and because revolution is a big show.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And maybe that's what we'll get maybe we'll get hangman and I think we're going to get three way.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think I hate that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I hate that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I know, man.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I know, but it's all off together.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And the canny thing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I feel like that one is down the road.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like maybe Dressel Dynasty.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, you know, it feels like something that they're setting up almost like they did with Jeff Jarrett last year, except this time they're going to pay it off.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I've asked a few people this question.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I have my answer, I've asked Dave, I've asked LaRaca, I've asked my buddy Draven.
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[SPEAKER_01]: If it's not Osprey at all in, who do you have be the baby face at all in?
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[SPEAKER_01]: John Moxon.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And this is part of it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: This is why I was kind of joking.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I was like John Moxon's like the smartest guy in the game.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yep.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And except this goes back to my prediction.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, MJF wanna lose to John Moxley.
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[SPEAKER_01]: No, and I think the MJF will win if it's Moxley.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And that's a problem.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's why it's probably- And then this is where you're gonna get to what your prediction was.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I was thinking about, I was thinking about that question as you were talking about your prediction and how this would all come up.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And it's that, like, yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Because people are gonna resent the fact that MJF beats Moxley at all in.
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[SPEAKER_00]: If that happens.
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[SPEAKER_00]: All right, what's your AEW prediction?
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[SPEAKER_00]: My AW prediction is, you know, and again, like you, not quite a positive one.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I kind of, I kind of hope I'm wrong, but I feel like I might not be.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think that by the end of the year, and it'll happen sometime between in the second half of the year.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think the relationship between AW and New Japan is going to end.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Interesting.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I just feel like there's stuff coming out of the New Japan side where they're not happy with what's going on and that doesn't necessarily mean they're going to jump into bed with WWE because I don't think they will, but that's also, is this a ton of Hashi and Tony con problem?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, more of a Tony con and, and, like, the fans and the lot of the wrestlers, I haven't really seen Tana Hashimake those kind of comments, but I thought you were relating it to why it wasn't Nakamura instead of, uh, Okada.
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[SPEAKER_00]: oh no no that that's totally different like that that was more I mean that was WWE you know and and really like and it was New Japan being good partners but see and this this gets to the crux of why I think this relationship's gonna end is because I think that New Japan does everything to be be good partners and I think that you don't see that on the other end
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think that on the other end, AW favors CMLL as their number one partner.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And they do everything to go backwards to help CMLL to make the most of that relationship and it helps both sides.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Don't get me wrong.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They're also closer, like their North America, so it's easier to work with them.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Whereas in New Japan, it's like, New Japan, AW takes what they need from New Japan, but they don't really give back very much.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, they give them the game will caught up, but they lost.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Sorry, go ahead.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The young bucks didn't do that video to announce AEW at Arena Mexico.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, that is true.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That is true.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And, and I mean, you know, and now, and so we got off right now, returned in New Japan, and is promised to wrestle in New Japan, and I feel like that is not going to
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[SPEAKER_00]: people are going to be upset about that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: A lot of people probably don't even realize it because they may not have watched New Year's Dash, but you know, you hear about things, and it was kind of weird.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And so now Tony is probably going to politics to try to make sure that Osprey's first matchback is not in New Japan, but it's in AWS.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, it'll have to be an AWS.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It has to be an AWS.
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[SPEAKER_00]: No, because he already did that once with Kenny.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Whether or not
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[SPEAKER_01]: this Osprey and it's it's a Cal Newman, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Cal, whether or not that happened, I'm sure it will happen in some, I mean, maybe it'll be up for Bindor, which is, you know, technically both both companies.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But my first thought when I saw, I, I read about, I saw them seen it, but I read about it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I was like,
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[SPEAKER_01]: Dude, you cannot be wasting your bumps in New Japan because what the angle that he's coming back to now, I'm assuming we're going to forget about the deathwriters because it doesn't make sense anymore.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But the angle that he should be coming back to in AEW is this all-in thing.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Now if it's post all-in, if he can't get there by then,
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[SPEAKER_01]: and he wants to do something in New Japan.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think that's okay, but I still think his first match needs to be at an A.W.
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[SPEAKER_00]: paper.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Now, now he did say I have some business to take care of in A.W, but once that's done, I'm coming back to New Japan.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So that the wording by itself leads you to believe that it'll be at A.W.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Now, you said that's writers, it is funny.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The United
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[SPEAKER_00]: which Calm Newman is now kind of almost running with on draw day who is part of the Cal's family.
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[SPEAKER_00]: you know like in a w technically although i don't know if i don't know if that's still a thing but there are there are pieces between the united empire and the calis family to where will ask for it's almost the same as what it was when he showed up in in a w and he was part of the calis family but he was still baby face like it's almost like that in new Japan now with with the with the uh you know the empire so i i don't put it past that whole the whole story line in a
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[SPEAKER_00]: in terms of like, is on dry, is still part of the, part of the calcium.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, does United Empire, are they working with the calcium family?
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then what does that mean for Will Osprey?
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[SPEAKER_00]: And also what does it mean for the death riders?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Because death riders are going to be feuding with them.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, it's all very interesting.
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[SPEAKER_00]: A lot of machinations.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But again, I still think like after Fervindor, I could see that relationship kind of falling apart.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And by next year's Tokyo Dom, I wouldn't be surprised if there's nobody from a W on that show.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then like it does open the door to working with WWE, like I don't think they'd have a full-fledged partnership, but I do think does that mean AJ Styles goes back and works to show what the Tokyo dome, you know, like, or well, he might be retired, but maybe Finn Mowler, you know, like somebody else who's got history there.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Knock emura, obviously.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They are doing a G1 in Chicago, so they need to be well, it has to be AEW talent in the G1, in order for that to happen, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: I would think so.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I would think to catch stuff for sure, and maybe, you know, maybe somebody like Kevin Knight, Kevin Knight actually, that should be an
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[SPEAKER_01]: All right.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'll do my WWE one and then we'll get out of here.
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[SPEAKER_01]: My WWE prediction is that in 2026, with SmackDown moving to three hours.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Now, I think anybody predicting WWE's business dropping off a little bit like that's kind of an easy one.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They're just so high.
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[SPEAKER_01]: If you're predicting that,
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[SPEAKER_01]: they are either going to plateau or they're going to drop a little bit.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think that's like easy because that's just predicting something that looks that you just can't stay as hot as they've been for for that long.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I'm sure their business is going to be down a little bit.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Whether it's even or a little bit down like I think that's probably going to happen no matter no matter what.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But my actual prediction is that we're going to see and we're already seeing this with SmackDown tapings or SmackDown live shows the their numbers are down attendance wise.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think we're going to see that continue to happen.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think we're also going to see ratings for SmackDown go down.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I will not be surprised if we see that number get under a million
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[SPEAKER_01]: uh as we get down the line probably more so post WrestleMania season than anything else because I don't know how long they're going to stay at three hours.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That shows is a chore to get to on the weekend because they do not treat it like raw where that's where all the news comes out that Ross sets the the tone for the week and Smackdown is kind of the book end.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Now Smackdown does have
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[SPEAKER_01]: Some good wrestling, if you're interested in watching, guys like Ali Dragon, I've we mentioned Carmelo Hayes, but I watched that Alster Black and Damian Priest, and I was like, these brothers are trying their asses off, and I don't care that much because this feud exists on a show that I just don't watch as timely as I do raw.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And so I think Smackdown's gonna struggle, and I think because of that Netflix relationship,
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[SPEAKER_01]: they need to keep raw as strong as possible.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I'm not sure if they're going to trade that much talent back to make SmackDown that big of a deal.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think we may see a little bit of a tradition there.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think we may see the attempts at least to build some younger stars there.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We're already seeing it with trick.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I wouldn't, not to say that SmackDown is the be show because they do have the champion Cody is on that show, but it's not enough right now for me to prioritize it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like I still see raw as the one show that I could
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[SPEAKER_01]: kind of want to make sure that I watch no matter what, even I even prioritize raw over dynamite most weeks as well.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then smack down this kind of like the third show of the week that if I get to it, I'll get to it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And if not,
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[SPEAKER_01]: it'll be because I just run out of time on Sunday and then by Monday already I mean I don't want to start watching act out and be behind on raw so that's kind of how it is and I'm not saying I am everybody but when you just buy the schedule of that show I'm sure lots of people just run out of time in watching it too so yeah I think SmackDown business is going to be down I think the ratings are going to be down and I don't think
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[SPEAKER_01]: they're going to do too much to fix that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like I don't think we're going to see a draft, we're all of a sudden, punk and reapply smooth over to Smackdown.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think they're going to be okay with that being sort of the B plus show to the A show overall.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, they are.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They have been below a million a couple times already.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Usually, you know, if there's like big competition or, you know, like a tape show or something like that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I, you know, I definitely think that'll be more of a regular thing, especially come college football season again.
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[SPEAKER_00]: college football and then you've also got this run that they're going to be doing for the next I think month or maybe even two months where they're in Europe so you're going to have these tape shows That you know by the time they air in the United States, they're you know, they may be you know They're three hours long and the news made already be out so you may get people that you know They hear about what happened and they'll only watch you know like oh yeah, I heard Randy Orton did this so I maybe I'll watch that
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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, you know, and, and I think that's what how, you know, smack down the way people are watching it now probably is like, okay, I'll watch the earlier dragon off match.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'll watch whatever big angle they did.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then you know, I could skip the rest of it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, you know, and you know that the USA network is no longer a part of NBC universal.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I didn't know that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It is completely spun off on company called Versant.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And so you don't even have the peacock relationship anymore, right.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So that, well, that's what's going to be interesting is now, they still have the peacock Saturday night main event relationship.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's NBC universal under the NBC universal umbrella.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So very similarly to how if WBD splits in the way that we think it will, whether it's Netflix or or not, like there's a possibility where HBO Max and the cable networks that AEW runs on are going to be in different companies, that is literally what is happening right now with with Smackdown and the NXT PLEs and the
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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, the PLEs they don't even have a home right after March as of right now.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I don't I don't know and the other the other funny thing is
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[SPEAKER_01]: the WWE archives have moved to Netflix.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, at least the PLEs have and some rods.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, there's a whole, like, that's the stuff I don't want to watch.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't need to probably, the same as what we have now in Canada, like what we've had for the last year.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's select, I mean, there's, especially from recent years, there's a lot of rods, but if you go, if you wanna find, like, pick a date in, like, 2009, you know, like, you're not gonna find the rod that you want.
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[SPEAKER_00]: you know unless it's like it feels like a special show it might be there like a thousand that episode or whatever but yeah it's it's very sparse but yeah all the paper views are there so that's you know some people like that but yeah I know guys like you and me and none of the WCW or territories or any of that like that's all gone.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and and I do hope that we do get that stuff on YouTube at some point like they can actually blow that thing out on YouTube and and make it really You know, really for the hardcore's the hardcore archive guys like that that would be very smart of them to do so I do hope, but it's a lot of work right you're yeah you're you're putting a lot of video up and there's time and you got to hire people to do that so
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[SPEAKER_01]: Anyways, I realized that both of my predictions were kind of semi-negative.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I didn't really even mean the AEW one to be negative.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm just kind of like seeing the, you know, kind of how the- Well, something like that doesn't have to be negative.
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[SPEAKER_00]: No, and it's just he's wrestling.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's just how he won't always work stage.
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[SPEAKER_00]: When everything's cumbaia, it's like, well, nobody's really trying to be the top guy.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And that's,
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[SPEAKER_00]: Really, like, that's kind of what Moxley's whole angle was about, you know, like, you want these guys to take it, you don't want them to just sit there and wait for it to be given to them.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You want them to come out and take it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's, I mean, that's the whole crux of what that whole death writer's thing was.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And the problem is nobody did it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So Moxley did it himself.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And he's about to do it again.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yep.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Artists guy, smart guy.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And it is Mercedes, the smartest woman for losing on a dynamite that seems like very few people watched.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and losing another title on a collision on a Saturday afternoon and losing another title on a ring of honor, pay for you that nobody watched.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then what she's going to do like come to Winnipeg and, you know, while they're here, so she'll do an indie the night before and drop that Winnipeg title.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You should have a rule.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, you can't put any of these shows on Triller.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That'd be funny.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I still think that the whole thing she'll lose all their titles and the only one she'll have left is the Owen and then, you know, Renee, I'll show up backstage.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I need that bell back.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: She's got no bell.
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[SPEAKER_01]: All right.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That is it from here.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Paul, you'll be back on the Dynamite show on Wednesday.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, tomorrow night.
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[SPEAKER_01]: What is on Dynamite this week?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Bandito and Sammy.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know, there's more, but more bandito wasn't even involved in that main of an angle, I'm like this man, this bro, all he needed to do, he didn't need to cut a promo, he just needed to come out at the end, point his fake gun at mjf and that was it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: There's gotta be more, but that's the only thing I could think of.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's what you don't understand me.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so three hours.
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[SPEAKER_01]: All right, wait, three hours show?
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[SPEAKER_01]: No, I'm kidding.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, I was gonna say, oh my gosh, I'm not ready for that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: All right, that is it from here.
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[SPEAKER_01]: For Paul M.W.G.C.
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[SPEAKER_01]: when we see you piece out.
