WWF on WTBS, Vince McMahon gets The Freebirds, AEW All Out & Wrestlepalooza Comparison | Observe This!

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[SPEAKER_00]: All right, welcome back, observe this with Draven and myself WG, we're gonna.

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[SPEAKER_00]: pocket a little bit of time talking at nineteen eighty four the late summer of eighty four through the lens of the rusting of the news letter and then we're going to focus uh... that the back half of the show on uh... these two saturday shows that we got to watch one of them is the eight w pay for view all out and the other one was w is first is p and show Russell paulouza driving what is going on are the one of the dodgers going to clinch the west here

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[SPEAKER_01]: Magic number three.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So after we take care of the D-backs, who are all of a sudden in contingents, so good for them.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I am drinking my ice coffee out of this cup here that has all papers from last year's championship team.

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[SPEAKER_01]: There you see.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I have some cold brew, but there's no giants in Sydney on this curriculum brand cold brew.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, yeah, we'll have another show talking about that, but I'm excited because we eliminated the giants and that's always always fun and we did it the sweep took a mile of the, what was in the sweep, it was a three out of four, but you know, um, and uh, it's always fun to have that experience.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So now take care of the D backs, clinch.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Who do you guys close with?

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[SPEAKER_01]: with the mariners and the we're not so weird.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's so weird.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And they're all of a sudden in first place and they have those games are going to be meaningful to them because they're trying to keep the Astros out of first place there.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but they got a three game lead now, so they're pretty comfortable.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, they're matching numbers all the way around the same as ours because we're three games up on the progress.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And we've got the tie breakers, so really four games.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, it's I'm excited.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But let's talk some wrestling.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Let's talk some some Black Saturday.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, there there's going to be some black Saturday talk.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So before we we get into it, I just want to shout out the people watching on the live stream welcome you can chime in you can give some questions or thoughts to anything that we're talking about and obviously to our audio feed, which is going to be it won't be in the audio feed until

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[SPEAKER_00]: the following week, but still, you know, this, this, this stuff is kind of, it's kind of timeless.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Let's kick it off and let's talk a little bit about the process of one Dave Meltzer.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Dave Meltzer, I think we talked about this last time, he was having trouble with there being so much news that his monthly cadence was making his newsletters so big and thus postage was becoming a more expensive and he had, you know, his sort of what he thought a newsletters should be 18 pages or whatever, he was going over that every single time.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So he has dedicated himself.

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[SPEAKER_00]: to every three weeks as of this time in the late summer of 1984, you know what I realized about the newsletter in this in this time because there's so much news, obviously WWE is just running all over the US or at least trying in some cases because we're going to bring up their head to head against or in Memphis.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And in other cases, it is causing the local promoters to actually work harder and in some cases work together to get bigger stars and to sort of prime some big shows when WWE comes into their market.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So his half of the second newsletter that I looked at this week, there's two that I used.

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[SPEAKER_00]: half of it is just like results just like a list of results in every single territory.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So what that tells me also is that the fandom that that hardcore insider fandom

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[SPEAKER_00]: is probably really hot right now because he's getting all of these results and to put in the newsletter.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I have to imagine like the popularity of wrestling in this timeframe, it's pretty big, especially for those insiders, just because it seems like he's just got so much, he has so much news and results from like every little single territory in the U.S.

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[SPEAKER_00]: in these issues.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, it was, yeah, it was another time, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: It was the hand to mouth error and everybody was making money.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Was there was everybody making millions, no?

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[SPEAKER_01]: But everybody was making a comfortable living, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: And so you had, and the, and the cool thing about that time is that wrestlers could stay home, they could, you know, sleep in their own beds because they lived in the territory.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think people that don't have an awareness of what the territory system was, they think, oh, wow, you know, it used to be a bunch of mini WWE's, no, that wasn't the case at all.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It was a very different business and there's a lot of to like break down and work to do that, but it was very healthy at this time.

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[SPEAKER_01]: In the sense where everybody was making a nice living, nice, nice little, you know, you weren't rich, but you were also making, you were doing what you love, too, which is also important.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, and then that this would be kind of like the last year where that was possible, because after 84, it was like a domino, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: They all started falling one by one.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then so, Well, and then the economics change, because then it was like, okay, you had wrestlers that were making six figures a year, high six figures, but they were festival.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, I was a trade-off.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.

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[SPEAKER_00]: All right, so let's kick it off with a conversation.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Actually, you know what, we're just gonna, I'm just gonna hit like a lot of news.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There's no real like overarching story.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The story is WWE's trying to run all of these different places and these territories are kind of fighting back as best as they can.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So, WWE, AF,

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[SPEAKER_00]: has now taken over both TBS shows on Saturday and Sunday.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And there was this thought that and gunkle of all people was going to somewhat help them, I guess, help Oli in some way, you know, maybe help him get television because she was friends with Ted Turner.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And in turn, it's actually not why she was there because she was at one of the last TVs before Vince took over.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The reason why she was there from what it looks like.

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[SPEAKER_00]: is she bought all of Oli stock in the company because Vince had the majority because of the briskos and Oli still had his piece, but he lost all the voting shares and so and bought Oli shares and Davis, like, well, there goes that idea that she's there to help them get V. So here's a name that I know that you're going to love.

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[SPEAKER_00]: President Jack Toney or future

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[SPEAKER_00]: So Jack Toney has the Toronto office and Dave wrote that Crockett figured that he would just end up with McMahon so they tried to bleed him by not sending NWA talent to Toronto because they that's where he got a lot of the talent.

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[SPEAKER_00]: uh... and they would they thought okay will maybe this will force him out of uh... business but vince just saved him and it's just partnered with them so now toronto is a is a w w i think i think it was frangtony jack was was kind of like a partner but it was frangtony i think i remember dave specifically wrote jack but

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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, maybe they have not got to say well, you know, because we always wondered where Jack came from right when we were kids Jack worked in the office with his brother, but his brother was the one that ran the Toronto Maple Leaf office But but maybe towards the very very end.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, maybe Jack got control and that's why you know it turned over to Jack.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So that's probably what happened

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[SPEAKER_01]: So, I'm a guy known as Billy Redline, which everybody has seen on TV if you see it back in the day.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He's another guy that was part of that Tony clan.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And who does WWE F bring in at this point?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, the people I'm about to mention, the three of these guys are in for an absolute cup of coffee.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They are known as the Fabulous Freebirds, Michael Harris Freebody and Buddy Roberts.

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[SPEAKER_00]: When I read, I must have been in a wrestling magazine and maybe the late 80s that the free birds are actually in.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And you know how sometimes you're like, oh, the holy grail, I wish I could see any sort of footage with them.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, there was two of them.

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[SPEAKER_00]: One of them was the free birds.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I wanted to see what they looked like on WWE FTV.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And the other one was Missy Hyatt.

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[SPEAKER_00]: on WWE FTV because she only lasted for a couple of coffee as well.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But is there any footage of the free birds being on WWE FTV?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, the first time that I found that out, it was late.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It was, I was already in my 20s.

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[SPEAKER_01]: What happened is that remember when me and Jean have that, what was it, the WWE classics that that television show, they dug up that footage and it was one taping in Alan's

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[SPEAKER_01]: The freebers being stripped all the way down and being taken.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And everything was taken from them.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They're music, they're charisma, everything.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They were just generic, regional guys, including Terry Batman Gordy, who was anything but generic.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So what was your typical, even back then in 84 was your typical if it didn't happen here, it doesn't count.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And you had essentially start from scratch, what tends to happen in WWE.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, and they only lasted one tape in which which equal to three weeks because they would tape three weeks at a time.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So so there yeah, so I saw that footage in WWE classics.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think that was the name of the show.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I want to say maybe 2002 and I was in all I was like what I don't even know like at all, you know.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I always thought it was like Dallas and then they went over to after that is I think they went over to work for Watts and then they went that we see W. So that's what I thought and then they were in Georgia.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's where they went because they finished Bob Georgia.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, yeah, so I didn't know that and then the missy high one, I think it's out there somewhere on YouTube, but that that's not even an official one because she never actually, she was never actually a character, I think she, she, she auditioned and they had missy's manner, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: but they never picked up the show.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And so all you have is like footage of her, the audition, and that was it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think she said, like she admitted to like not being really good and kind of understanding is to why it didn't work.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But she told, I can't remember if she told this because David and I have interviewed her once or twice.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I want to say she told this on air, but I know this story got out.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So it may have been, she said it somewhere else first, but she said that she was in her hotel and Vince came to the door.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And she kind of had to shoe him away because it looked like he wanted to hang out for a little while.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, it's not surprising at all, but she has, she did mention that when I think it's probably when David and I talked to her one at the time.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I thought that was kind of interesting.

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[SPEAKER_00]: By the way, did we mention this on the air, but had did you see the story that she and Jim Ross were together for a little while?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I mean, that's cool, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, it's two older people that, oh, yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I thought it was great.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I think there's, I've always told people, as you get older, having a partner becomes less and less about love and more about other things, you know?

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[SPEAKER_01]: And so that's probably what they were kind of like messing with.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Just that companionship.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It was one of those stories that I had heard

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[SPEAKER_00]: My connection with with Big Dave and Dave's friends with both of them and he was kind of one of those things like, oh, you know, it's kind of cool and he told me the story.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And you know, that's also something that you keep on the hush because it's just personal life stuff.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And there's no news coming out of it, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: But there's just something I kind of thought about.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then I think she said it in an interview or something.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So then it just became like, okay, like we could we could talk about this.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And it's unfortunate that you know, it didn't last that long, but still it was pretty cool.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Because their old school man, like, you know, you talk about,

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[SPEAKER_00]: anything, what would it be?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Post 87 WCW and they're kind of, you know, they're both there until, you know, Jim leaves, I think, you know, miss these kind of in and out, sometimes depending on how they wanted to use her, but that, you know, they're long time coworkers.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So it's kind of a cool story.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I wanted to shout out awesome sauce in a Charlie Bonilla who are checking on the live stream I imagine.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I wanted to ask awesome sauce were those missy segments like do they air or were they like just did you find them on YouTube or because I could have sworn it was just the audition, but I think that you said there was quite a few of them.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Drayvin is referring to awesome sauces comment that those missy segments were rough awesome sauce said they saw the savage one.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So that's what that's what we are referring to.

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[SPEAKER_00]: All right, we'll see.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We'll see what awesome sauce says and we'll get.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We'll get an answer.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, so let's go back to two other people who are coming into the WWE expansion here, which is Ken Petera, who is recently like just been in trouble.

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[SPEAKER_00]: uh... for uh... terren up like a hotel room and thrown a thing through McDonald's and fighting police officers and everything so they're bringing cannon and also kumala who i feel like kumala would just come in like from time to time uh... you know throughout the late until about the mid to late eight i'm such a nerd that i know exactly how many times what you do it was eighty four eighty six

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then he left the 87 and then he came back in 92 three times.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's interesting how the legend of Kamala's bigger than Kamala actually was.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But that's because he had line with Hogan every time.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, except for when he came in 92, he had line with Hogan, because when he came in 92, he came into a line without the Undertaker.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Under the thing and then he had this very like box baby for baby face turn But but in 80's 486 He came in to feel with hooking like right to the top like it wasn't even like they didn't even do like the middle-level baby face Quashes and so people I was remembered Kamala, you know or Kimala a side column.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's real name Yeah Calcium home video

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[SPEAKER_00]: In the early early ones, when they did the little intro, there'd be that video of Andre body slamming Kamala and it was old Andre wasn't like they short hair Andre it was a joke that Andre yeah yeah and so I would always see as like oh man that's Kamala like what I wonder what you know every time when when used when you watch something.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And you're very new to it and then every time you learned something, you kind of go back and you go, oh my gosh, I can't believe that was that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So that's one of those things for me is realizing Kamala was there as many times as he was because he was a great hog and opponent in 86, they did lots of business together.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then, of course, Jerry Lawler created that character.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Have you ever seen his, his, his vignette that introduces him?

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's legitimately scary, bro.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, even today, like, I get, like, the, the voice is like, come on, uh, and it's like, and they show him, like, just kind of, like, the camera pans up.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And he's right, it looks scary.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's the legit.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I can only imagine, like, an 82 when you're seeing that for the first time, you know?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, but yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So, Dr.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It was named, it was named after Dr. Kimala, who was Jerry's personal physician or something like that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, okay.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then Ken Petera, so I was trying to think, I was trying to remember the timeline because the Ken Petera that I remember in WWE F is he comes back after being in jail and the story for him coming back is that Bobby the brain kind of left him

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[SPEAKER_00]: and did not contact him and, you know, not a good friend and now I'm coming back for revenge on Bobby the brain he and and for being a bad person.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They did all these skits about him being in jail and and he's like, you know, he's got to talk about his comeback and stuff.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's what I remember.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't really remember a lot of the Ken Petera in 1984.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And they're the y. Actually, you know, he just, he was there, but I wonder if he just is there until I'm sure there's some sort of loss, you know, a lawsuit or something that happens and then why does he get sent to jail at some point?

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[SPEAKER_00]: I just don't remember how long how long he was there.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, and I was, yeah, because the home McDonald's thing is what puts him in jail.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So he was him and Masa Sayito.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, they were they were gone for a while and then yeah, like you said he comes back in late 86.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And he has that that he's a job at that point.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He's got that baby phase run going in.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's on the whole game team for the deferred very first survivor series.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but yeah, yeah, and he has the messed up and he's still working through that, which is insane seeing that, but that was how they used to do it back in the day.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, I just remember him as a kid, he was always a jobner to me, because that's the, that's the temperature that I grew up with.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So it sounds like sometime in late 85, he gets sentenced to two years in prison.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I guess he's in WWE for a little bit in this time frame before he's got to go to jail in June of 85.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, it was in longer campitera or what was the name of that guy, the Colossus of Bugga Road?

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[SPEAKER_01]: What was his name?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Nathan Jones Nathan Jones.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yeah, the one WrestleMania match, remember?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, they didn't trust them, remember?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Can you imagine considering all of the bad people we would see at that time for a little while and he got him to toss off and those guys and it's like they didn't even trust Nathan Jones to like do one spot.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Did have I tell have I told you my Ken Patera story from the The call for our alley club.

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[SPEAKER_01]: No, but I got another but you go first.

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[SPEAKER_00]: All right, I want to say this has been said otherwise.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I don't think I'm breaking any news, but I'm gonna guess this was like eight years ago, something like that, maybe even longer, but because I've only been to two cauliflower alley clips, I think.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And all of a sudden, we hear that Patero is being a little unruly and that he,

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[SPEAKER_00]: urinated inside the hotel like on one of the plants or something like I'm assuming he I'm assuming he was inebriated like I don't think he did that as some sort of like uh yes hold on.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Taking it out on somebody but I just was like oh my god what did I get myself into where these old school wrestlers are urinating in plants in the hotel.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's that's what was said it didn't physically see it so I couldn't verify that story but that was the story going around

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[SPEAKER_01]: No, well, there was one of the wrestle cons which was about maybe like, I don't know, 2010, 2011 around there.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I used to, we used to do this thing where me and my friends, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: I had about two or three good friends that we would go.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I was, I've always been a booze guy.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like that, actually not anymore.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's why I'm drinking my ice coffee.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But back in the day, I was really a booze guy.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But my friends, they like to take heavier drugs, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: And so we're in the restroom.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And one of my buddies is like, oh, I want to, I can't want to go back to the room and put the stuff of my nose.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't want to mess you two up here.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then, and then, and then, and then, can't put chairs taking the piss.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And he's like, that sounds like a good time.

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[SPEAKER_01]: When are we go?

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, you were ready to go upstairs with him.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then, my friend actually marked out because he recognized them, but he didn't want to share his stuff, so he didn't have my luck there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it would have been because I have a margin in any story that's like kind of like that where, you know, because they are celebrities, right, in some instances bigger celebrities and some instances local celebrities, but you know can paternity or rustling fan.

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[SPEAKER_00]: My buddy, Liam O'Rork, who wrote the Brian Pillman book.

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[SPEAKER_00]: he said that I think martygenity was at some sort of chindig that they were like, I don't know if it was like an autograph thing as well.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But he said that, um,

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[SPEAKER_00]: there was like a trivia contest and the winner of the trivia contest, like got a bottle of Jack Daniels or something and like one of his buddies got it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so then I think there were I think I think genetic came up to them and it was like, hey, do you guys want to take a selfie?

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[SPEAKER_00]: And they're like, oh, okay, martygenity.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So martygenity swings into the selfie.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The guy who just won the Jack Daniels has the Jack Daniels and Marty goes, hey, let me hold that for the picture.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's like, okay, so genetics got the Jack Daniels takes the selfie in Genety, just bail with his Jack Daniels.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Man, that's sad funny everything in between man.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But it's just believable, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's completely hilarious.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: All right, back to 84.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Dave's writing a little bit about how he's really like impressed that WWE F is working with Cindy Lopper because she's like a real celebrity in 1984, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like this is like her run, like her where she's most famous in her life.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's like this little four year patch of time.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And some of this time is working with Catherine who a battle of all people

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[SPEAKER_00]: That that funny part to me is is the captain Lou connection that she made on the airplane and her significant other is is David Wolfe and he's a giant wrestling mark and you know they'll eventually work with Vince on I think both wrestling albums I think that they worked with with Vince on yeah So just the the idea Dave's just like I can this is kind of hard to to think about like so then again, okay, but let's be real

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[SPEAKER_01]: How how in tune is Dave into pop culture at this time?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, you know, Dave is pretty much and he's been in a mobile for a very long time.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's 84.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So what how old did David be in his mid 20s?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so that is a gather.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's got, I mean, he would have to know some of this stuff.

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[SPEAKER_01]: How old was he with the whole end of your way fiasco?

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[SPEAKER_01]: He wasn't that much older, you're 1989, you're like 30, maybe?

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[SPEAKER_01]: So, no, I don't know if, I mean, no, it was impressive.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Don't get me wrong.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I'm trying to think of a pop culture like celebrity now that would be the same.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, like bad bunny is bigger worldwide than Cindy Lopper, but he's not as big in the US as Cindy Lopper.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But it's also very impressive that they work with bad bunny today, because he's like just a giant international soup.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but not because everybody's asked, which is kind of disgusting in a lot of ways.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Did you see the PWI 500 today?

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[SPEAKER_01]: I, I skimped through it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, uh, who, number one was Seth.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think it's Cody at that was code.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, it should be Cody.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So someone did a photo shop of it and they put number 38 Jelly Roll.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And they said, he's only in here for one reason only, it's just because he's a nice guy.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But it was actually someone who like, doctored the thing and it kind of, it kind of threw off a lot of people today.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I thought that was really funny.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Because I was like, you know what, if I was making a list for Jelly Roll and wrestling, it would be the top 10, Simp List because, uh,

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[SPEAKER_00]: This dude talked himself out of winning on a summer slam.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He's like, not trying to lose a wrestler could do that, a celebrity wrestler shouldn't be doing that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: No, I don't think so.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So also, let's actually, let's let's keep

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's thinking much bigger than these local promoters because he wants Coca-Cola to be a national sponsor.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Has Coca-Cola ever been a sponsor for WWE?

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think so.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But like that's him thinking big man.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like he's like, like, I don't know if he would have gone the beer route at that point, but Coca-Cola, like what bigger sponsor

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and they're very limited.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They're so big that they limit who they with a sponsor because I mean, you hardly even see them in the Super Bowl either, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, they don't have to waste that kind of money, you know, so it's different now, but even back in the day, they wouldn't really promote during the Super Bowl either.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So, um, I don't know.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He said, he had a set of for slim gym for years and years and years.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Slim gym.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So,

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[SPEAKER_00]: Vince also and this is one of those signings that they are, you know, they're making this signing as a way to keep away some of the big stars who are bigger locally than it would ever be in WWE F 54 year old mad dog Vashan.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But they were talking about Mr. wrestling too.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's another one that came over.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's what I think that's coming.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I think that's coming.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, but mad dog Vashan, like I'm trying to remember if I would have seen any footage of mad dog Vashan in WWE F error at in this time.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't I can't remember.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe in one of those best of WWE F volume one, where they would have a lot of those dark and arena household footage.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, something like that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then Dave puts over, you know, if you you think that Dave.

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[SPEAKER_00]: doesn't put over WWE enough today.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You need to read some of these old observers because this style of wrestling he actively hates it because it's really slow and methodical and big guys and there's no real athleticism.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There's no expectation for it because they're working for this

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[SPEAKER_00]: you know, big man territory, you know, the Madison Square Garden fan base and they're trying to take that style everywhere.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So the match that he puts over as he's like, by the way, you have to go out of your way.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's like, I would rarely say this, but you have to go out of your way.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Iron

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[SPEAKER_00]: He puts that match over like it's the best things and slice bread.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's a great match.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I have an compilation somewhere on my DVD collection.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's a great match.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm a good match.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't say great, but

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean, good for what what we see now, but we see a bootcamp match on every eight of you paper because Sergeant remember Sergeant's lotter was a great worker like he really was he was like a unicorn amongst the land of like the giants and like big man who could take incredible bumps.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, that turned buckle bump that he used to always like to take and and he know how to he knew how to sell because he was a baby face at that time.

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[SPEAKER_01]: All that yeah, he used to use even when he came back when he was older during 91.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He was also a good worker that that many men with hogan and slaughter at rest of me to seven is very underrated in my opinion.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, can you at that time?

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's probably

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[SPEAKER_00]: on a top 10 list of best Hulk Ogan matches on paper view at that point probably have probably top five paper yeah paper yeah I mean you have to go to house shows or maybe use so if you're going to get me and there's about five there that Ogan was really good at Japan yeah that's a that's a different hogan by the way I had this conversation with big Dave when hogan died and we were talking about

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[SPEAKER_00]: the leg drop.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I was like, gosh, you know, just dropping that leg so many times he's such a big dude that had to, you know, that had to just be so painful as he got older.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And we were talking about like what what else could he have done.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And he's like he had the perfect finisher with the clothes line.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like that's all he had to do X bomber.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then he just decided that he needed a different move.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, the last time he rolled up with the axe bomber and for the people that I don't know it was like he would do this.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It wasn't a close line.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It was like he would cross this thing and then he would run at you and just, you know, hit you.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He did it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He did it to Yoko Zuna at WrestleMania 9.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I remember that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I was like, Oh, shit.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He just busted all the axe bomber.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I was like, I wonder because it's because Yoko Zuna supposed to be Japanese.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Then he's in Japan.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's why he learned that from Japan.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I thought it was just because he was the skinny version of the Hulkster.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So he needed to get some extra.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's right.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It was just on it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The cruiser weight of the during that time.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And so yeah, I remember that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, as a side note, okay, so the reason he lost a lot of weight 93, because he wanted to become an actor, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, to drop a lot of weight.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't mean like, Wayne.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Nah, that's, I don't know.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's the whole thing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He looks sickly, but no, but what I like about Jim Rosdering that time is that in analyzing the match between Yokozuna and Hogan, he said that Hogan dropped way to have more speed.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So he could tire out the big guy.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, I was like, that's pretty good.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Jim, I mean, he just knew how to go and get around this.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's it's rocky three going up against Clubber Lang.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He needed to he needed to have the speed and the endurance and yeah, that's true.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The uh, let's see what else.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, and this is because you're the movie guy.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Of course.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I was in as wondering if you knew or if you saw this movie.

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[SPEAKER_00]: According to Dave and I double checked and I at least two of these guys are actually in the credits for this movie.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Andre, Big John's stud and Jason Strongbow will appear in the Columbia Pictures flick, Mickey and Mod starring Dudley Moore.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They will play cohorts of hard-boiled haggardy, who has a genuine role in this movie.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Have you seen Mickey?

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[SPEAKER_01]: I've never seen that movie.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I've been stumped.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I was like, okay, maybe they were supposed to be, and then they got their thing cut.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I didn't go any further than look in the movie up in Google and then clicking on the cast.

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[SPEAKER_00]: John Studd and Andre are in this cast with hard bully, hard bully, haggardy.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, Andre's getting a lot of movie roles during this time.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and and what was always the consensus that at least that we thought as, you know, not not necessarily this time in WWE, but you know, as Vince would take control is he doesn't let these guys do movies when they have opportunities as WWE gets bigger.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But at this point, he probably thinks, oh, yeah, like if they see Andre in a movie, then that will translate to us and and we'll get something from that some benefit from that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, plus Andre was a type of guy that he was going to do the movie.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like the princess bride, when that came around him in 85, he was going to do it whether Vince wanted to or not.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that was a big role for Andre.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, there there is a

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[SPEAKER_00]: percentage or a slice of pop culture, who know him exclusively from that movie, and not from pro wrestling.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like that's how big that movie was.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Well that was a big, even I remember as the little kid.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I already knew Andre, but I knew how big or he was because of that movie.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, for sure.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And unfortunately it's like,

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[SPEAKER_00]: you know that he's he's winding down big time.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You can just see he's I mean he I don't think I would call him crippled at that point but you know he'd have his run with hogan then it have his run with warrior and soon thereafter this man is walking with a cane like it's not that that far off and you you can kind of see it a little bit in the princess bride like how much he's he's physically like just kind of you know getting

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, well, remember they remember they had to put a Robin right, they had to put her on the on the wires because he couldn't hold her anymore.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, that's crazy.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They had to put her on the because yeah, because he had all those things where he's holding her and she said that story actually.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And so and that and that's still what six, seven years before he passes away.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So this guy was in a lot of pain for a long time.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I think that movie is filmed in 86 at some point, because I think it comes out in 87, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: But it's filmed in 86.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know when they, when they enter his leg and then they shape his head, that's probably why he went to go, he went to go do that movie and then he came back and said, he'll, in 87, when Bobby in the bottom back.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So there's this,

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[SPEAKER_00]: Antonio Nokey is facing him after winning whatever the version of the tournament was back then.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And Hogan, he's got a face Hogan for the title and Dave writes because I was kind of wondering, Hogan is the top star and wrestling at this point.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And Vince McMahon will not want him to lose in Japan, but Dave seemed to blame it on Hogan himself more than Vince because the way and nokey beats him is it is a two double count out finishes.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So they do the double count out.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They restart the match.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They do another double count out.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And they restart the match.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then finally, Hogan gets counted out.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And Ricky Choshu interferes in the match in some way.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But the Japanese fans were so furious because they saw right through it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And they were just like, this is a bunch of crap.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, you know, like,

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[SPEAKER_00]: you're you're selling us on this idea of this historic match and then you give us this BS and I would I was just like, wow, would Hogan would Vince be the person to make that call or would Hogan be the person to make that call.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think I had to be Hogan because Vince is not there Vince is not around them.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, I'm not going to talk to Hogan, I don't can manipulate the Hogan into doing a better finish.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I had to be Hogan.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And we know it was Hogan because Hogan had a reputation for that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But I just like you would think from a business perspective, Vince would want to protect Hogan.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But Hogan also knows how to protect himself without Vince.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I wonder if Hogan would have went to Vince and goes, hey, I'm

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to lose this match to a nokey because I owe him, you know, whatever, Vince would have probably said not to not to do it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I would have failed.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, I think what David's talking about is the way the finish went down.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Not so much the actual finish.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So in other words, Vince said you're not losing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But what Vincent is saying is going to be too kind of finished.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I think I think that's what David is talking about.

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[SPEAKER_01]: More so the way they book that finish than hooking on losing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Because they could have done it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They could have saved hooking on losing in a better way than what they came up with.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But I think hooking wanted it to like just tell everyone that he's not going to do a job.

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[SPEAKER_01]: and he didn't want to come back with any kind of idea that he lost to a nokey.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So that's where they came up with that weird convoluted finish or finishes.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And that's what upset the Japanese audience, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: And so, and during this time, we're at the precipice of the UWF5, which was completely changed the way they do business in Japan, because in 86, when they get introduced,

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[SPEAKER_01]: though the first iteration anyway, then Japanese wrestling goals for like, well, like a decade plus without any de-cufinishes at that point, just because the fans in Japan were tired of de-cufinishes.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then Dave kind of foreshadowed what would eventually become Saturday night to main event.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So you think about this time, Farron, we're August of 84, Saturday night main event is like April of 85, I think it's sometime after it may.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Sometime after the First World's Mania.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So Dave writes, possible network TV deal, ratings wise, a wrestling show would outdo most sports except for football if it was done well.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But the PR hit to the station would be brutal because of how wrestling

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[SPEAKER_00]: that that was so kind of like looking into the future and understanding the landscape and the way that NBC gets around the hit to the station is A.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Dick Ebersol sees what Vince is seeing with kind of the superstar creation of these wrestlers.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But B, he throw it on at 1130 p.m.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Pacific, and it's lesser in the prime, it's not in prime time, and you're putting on Saturday night live when Saturday night live goes to reruns and you throw the wrestling on there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So that lessons, the PR hit that day was talking about,

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[SPEAKER_00]: were, you know, we'd fast forward about six or seven months, right when they do start up on NBC is when NBC is starting to go off because of the cause we show and family ties.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They are building into being the number one network again.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so the wrestling is on this like crazy and say network.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But that thought that was just interesting, you know, Dave kind of being able to be ahead of the curve on on that on that information.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and interesting that before that, you would have to go back all the way to like the late 50s when they were under the department work to really show that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So wrestling had taken what 50s about a 30sum year break as far as being on national television without syndication.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, which was a big deal, you know, it's a big deal that you're having these quarterly Saturday night main events and, and they're a national television at that time, it was definitely a coupe for Vince.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So he's rolling.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He said, he has so many W's at these times, so many W's got some mouths don't get me wrong.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So some of them talk about one of the L's in a second.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, some way, that's a big out of that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I'm thinking about, but also a lot of the territories just wouldn't take his wrestling.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So he like Baltimore saying Louis, Dallas, but he's got a lot of W's during this time.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm so impressed by the young Vince McMahon.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm just, it just amazes me because again, he's always two three moves ahead of you.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Always no matter what he's thinking about two three moves ahead of people.

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[SPEAKER_00]: One of the L's, this is not the one that I was leading to, but hasn't happened yet, which is, we talked about the WTBS wrestling shows and Dave wrote that, you know, Ted wants them in the studio and Vince is excuse for them not being in the studio was that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They, you know, we've booked all of the stuff in advance, you know, we got these buildings booked.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So we can't actually have them in the studio right now, but we'll be able to do the, you know, to have them in the studio.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so that's how he kind of pushed it off for the contract thing, which I found, you know, very Vince, right, that that's the extra he would give that's exactly what he would do until he found.

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[SPEAKER_00]: whatever solution or whatever leverage that he thought he had so that he could do it his way and not Ted Turner's way.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, so let's talk about actually I wanted to say something that awesome sauce mentioned.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Awesome sauce said Ebersol and Vince were good friends, but he mentioned

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[SPEAKER_00]: Eversal mentioned that he liked the fact that WWE have brought in Mr. T and Cindy Lauper because he liked the star power.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I read Eversal's autobiography, which is really good.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, there's there's I wish it was a little bit more than just kind of a highlights of all the events that he was producing and stuff because there's a lot of Olympic That tends to be the case with a lot of these autobiographies.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: he did write about Saturday nights main event.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Now I'm going to ask you and if anybody knows in the chat can also give a guess, but which wrestler do you think would call Ebersol on Sunday morning asking him about the overnights?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, that's a difficult question to answer because he was, he was the producer of Saturday's main event for, I least to, to 90 probably from like 85 to 89 or something.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, which wrestler would call them to, would it, would it have been Randy Savage?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Brandy Savage.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's what you're saying.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I literally just, I literally just try to think of different personalities and what I know and I got it on the first try so that's pretty good.

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[SPEAKER_00]: By the way, you see that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He will do that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He will do that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Keenan Thompson is producing a mantra man Randy Savage biopic.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, but it's kind of I feel like it's not be one of those like ready to rumble kind of like let's make fun of the marks because he because it's a comedy is a comedian so I guess their connection goes back to the late 90s when Kinen was like still a young dude and I don't know they crossed paths on Nickelodeon or something like that like I don't know that that's what they said

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[SPEAKER_00]: It needs some, how do you cast for Montreal man Randy Savage?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Because if you cast for Savage, you can have to cast for Vince.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You're going to have to cast for Elizabeth.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You're going to have to cast for Hogan.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe the rest of them, you can fudge them.

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[SPEAKER_00]: If you want, this doesn't have to be the, you know, the, the, the, the, the, do we Johnson, uh, television show where you cast for it every cartoon character in the world.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And most of them work as poorly by the way, I'm that sure.

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[SPEAKER_01]: If you focus on the relationship with Liz, right, which I think for dramatic purposes, that's going to be a big part of this, you don't really have to worry about Vince or Holgen, because the Queen of the Ring, they didn't care who they, there was like nobody has Vince and nobody has Vince in here and, you know, yeah, but that was more like a wink wink just to like kind of be a joke, because Vince wasn't even

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[SPEAKER_01]: uh... he wasn't even around at that time was like the bench junior wasn't around at that time didn't know his dad yet he's in the movie somehow you know what I would do to get around this there's a lot of pressure i would do the uh... the old uh... the old uh... muppet babies gimmick where they'll you never saw the adult's faces and you just so we're just here vince but we never see them that's all we'll get around it awesome sauce says a jacked dawn cheetal as virtual

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[SPEAKER_00]: And yeah, he's a short virtual, but that's because virtual was jacked man like he like he wasn't as big as some of these guys, but soul train Jones and

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[SPEAKER_00]: And the virtual, I mean, even till he passed away, he was still pretty.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but look at these guys, man, these Hollywood guys.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They know how to get Jack.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They just called Louis, bro.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They called Louis and they get the, they get the, they get the, what did he jagman say, the old chicken breast recipe?

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[SPEAKER_01]: And we're good.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, well, that, that's what, that, like the, the thing that I just crack up about is, and we see this in sports.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And we started to see it in Hollywood, which is,

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[SPEAKER_00]: The player, I'll just bring up Dante Besheat, because he's the one that I remember the most, but when Dante Besheat goes to the Colorado Rockies,

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[SPEAKER_00]: he I remember Dante Bishop from the Brewers when he's a young player and he's a tall guy you know like a big athletic guy and then he comes into a Colorado and he his forearms look like he's like going from Mr. Universe or something and I was like what the hell and then you hear he says like oh yeah you know hired a trainer I said I want to put on 20 pounds of muscle

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, it doesn't really work like that, like just, you're supposed to put on 20 pounds of right muscle like it doesn't work like that, but that was always the wink to me where I was like, oh, okay, I get it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I get what you're saying.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, but this is how you have to say it to the public.

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[SPEAKER_00]: as he then you would hear the same thing from these actors like you would see certain guys go from rural to rural and their bodies like looks so different.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yep, got with a personal trainer six week diet, nothing but protein and three workouts a day, seven protein shakes a day and I'm like okay like I get where you're you had to work out hard but there's also something else here that you're not telling us that you did.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But that's, that's, but I also feel like they also get brainwashed themselves by their team.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, it's like remember, remember like that, that scene where I haven't drag or get shot up with the steroids.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, it's just part of his training regimen.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, he doesn't, he's not really thinking, oh, there's the steroids.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's more like, okay, because remember, there's a lot of pride in changing your body, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not, these guys are actually saying the truth.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They're working out at three in the morning, the whole, the whole Mark Wahlberg thing, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, so, so that takes over, when they're expected, that's what takes over because that's what they remember that little needle shot is like, let's just part of it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We don't want, we don't talk about that stuff.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, the irony of Rocky for the irony of Rocky for is Draco was the bad guy for taking all those steroids when in real life.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So best there's alone was taking enough steroids to probably for the entire Olympic boy lifting team by himself.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He's got some good genetics, man, because he's almost 80 and he's still around pretty good.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But he's got those big, like, you know, growth hormone hands.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And so getting back to do, you like,

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, he did that interview where he essentially told people, I had to lose weight or I could die.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like he could die.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, like, so I think he came to the realization, I don't know when, why or how, but he came to the realization that at 53, if he's putting stuff into his body, that he should and he's got to stop, you know.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And it seemed like it came up like as an epiphany, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Cause like from one day to the next, he's just like 60 pounds leaner.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I know now he's saying that he did it for a movie role, but some of those earlier-

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but I mean, but I mean, now it's like, he also did it for health reasons.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm glad because he should be careful.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, seeing Brock Lesnar the way he came, that guy, he looks on human.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, yeah, you know, and I hope he's in a be okay.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I mean, the way that he will talk about that match, but it's like two or three minutes in and he was like

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[SPEAKER_00]: That.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And you know, absolutely, too.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But a lot of these guys, especially with Brock, they have that whole, you know, whatever, conservative mentality, I would say, where it's like they, they, they, in their brain, they, it's brain power could beat anything and they're going to eat a, an entire cow, if they have to, because they're men, you know, and I feel like they're over him horse me.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and that's the philosophy that these guys have and I don't understand that especially if you're doing other things and I 48 years old, I'm going to assume there's other things going on.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You shouldn't look like that at that age because your heart just can't take that stuff.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, Arnold had hard problems.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Arnold still looks pretty big, but I can't imagine he's taken all the steroids that he wants was.

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[SPEAKER_01]: No, he's had three hard surgeries, three hard surgeries.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so now that we're on Doe Johnson here, what do you think of the pairing?

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[SPEAKER_00]: It seems like he's linked himself up with saffety here and this, uh, the smashing machine.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So my son went to one of the IMAX that they did a sneak preview last night on IMAX.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that was last night, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: I haven't seen it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I haven't seen it either, but I'll see it when it comes out opening day.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But he said,

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[SPEAKER_00]: that he thought it was good but he thinks that I would probably like it more and I said, well, I don't know if I like it more because I actually know the Mark Kirstory, like there's a documentary about this, and sometimes when I know too much, I kind of get disappointed.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But he said,

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[SPEAKER_00]: He said the best scenes in the movie or at least what he thought were like was like the best parts of the movie was Dwayne and Emily Blunt their characters and they're kind of like really like co-dependent characters with each other So I'm interested at least seeing

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, the rock opened up a little bit in his in his acting chops and you know being really vulnerable and the thing that is so funny to me is he's going on this press tour and the press tour is all about how he was kind of forced into this corner of these roles to play because of who they thought he was or his size or whatever.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm like, brother, your whole idea was to be the, you know, the 2010 version of Arnold Schwarzenegger, like that's what you wanted, like that, that was, that was you creating this business plan to become the biggest action star going, like that wasn't, you know, people, I'm sure he got put in a corner, but he actively was was trying to go there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I'm, I'm finding his current PR

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[SPEAKER_01]: No, and it's very disingenuous because the reality and the insiders would tell you this because the insiders in the film industry have already looked at these interviews.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm sure you notice the reality is that his role as the big action star was coming to an end.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, the last, I mean, Black Adam was was a monumental flop.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It came out how much he was trying to take over DC was trying to wrestling politics.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Warner Brothers in this whole scenario and they said, no, like you're out of the money.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Which was kind of like the first rip or were you started to see, okay, this is how Dwayne is now.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, we hear all those stories coming out of the fast and the furious franchise.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He was there with Vin Diesel and whatnot, but that was kind of more difficult because they both come off as he'llish in those stories.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But no, but to me, the real story is that

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[SPEAKER_01]: Hollywood was just about done with him in his current role that made him a lot of money.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So he pivoted, which is good for him.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I give mother credit in the world.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He's pivoting towards more of a dramatic actor.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And if it works, that's amazing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: If it doesn't well.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But everybody goes through that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Arnold went through that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Later in his career, when he came back from being the governor of California, sliced the loan did it in the mid-90s, like with Copland and movies like that, you know, everybody, like that action star, Roe has a very limited shelf life.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And if you don't know that, you become like the Steven Seaguard, like the junk hard band dam.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You just go straight to video or whatever.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And if you do a dab, then you have a nice little career, like Arnold and Henslight.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It just depends where you want to end up in this, and I firmly believe that Dwayne was done.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The action thing is done.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He had a couple of very disappointing films out back to back.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He talked, I'm sure he talked to his management team and it's like, it's time to try something to you.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So, do you think he comes back to wrestling because you're, because based on what you think about those interviews, he's not going to come back in a WWE ring as skinny dwayne.

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[SPEAKER_01]: No, no, he's not and also I do nobody has said this and I don't know what they've things about this, but I do think there's some heat with him and WWE right now even though he's in the board of the directors and even though he's game big money, I think there's a lot of heat, I think

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[SPEAKER_01]: That that scene of baby face promo that he could I don't know where I think it buried the rock because I mean he he seen a satellite I trusted people that they turned their back on me.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They never showed up and not so essentially he was telling us just forget what you saw the last few months And now we're gonna start over and that's what happened.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I I believe right now They're not talking about doing over at a whatever they call tight-and-towers now that new building

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[SPEAKER_00]: with the big laundry, something's going to happen, though.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And it's not any time soon because they're still running on fire, but something's going to happen where maybe they're going to need some help.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I do think that they'll bring him back.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But I just said, if they do, I'm sure rock would go on that Hollywood diet.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We just talked about and he would just just for one man.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, he would jack.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So, you know,

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, because I don't think that he'll let himself like you saw how the internet reacted when he was smaller like it's like people thought that he had cancer or something like that was the reaction and it's all he did was just stop going on steroids or whatever it was.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And also, I think when people at his age, when they lose weight like that, they also look older.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So his face looks older than it was when he had all that muscle.

55:27.284 --> 55:35.375
[SPEAKER_00]: You think about like, think about someone who's very large and they drop a lot of weight in a short amount of time, they have all that extra skin.

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[SPEAKER_00]: like he's got the giant head of a bodybuilder and he dropped all that weight and he still has the giant head of a bodybuilder and his limbs are caught.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You can see like arms and stuff that aren't just enlarged by muscles like it's a weird mind.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You have very bonds about it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You're after he retired just put it that way.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Very bonds.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He went cycling.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He became an outdoorsman.

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[SPEAKER_00]: without without all that muscle he wanted to show everybody he was still an athlete.

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[SPEAKER_00]: All right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So let's let's go back to what was also at least at this point events failure.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The trip to Memphis saw Vince and company leave with their tail in between their legs.

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[SPEAKER_00]: As Jerry Gerrit's six five or so June 5th show drew a sellout of 11,300

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[SPEAKER_00]: to McMahon's June 24th show, drawing only one thousand two hundred.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I've, according to Dave, I've heard ticket sales in Nashville, Louisville, where Titanhead shows set on June 25th and June 26th were a little better than Memphis, but undoubtedly McMahon's refusal to deviate from his family promotion styles going to make Memphis a very tough market for him.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And historically, it was always a tough market for WWE.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There's only one king of Memphis land, and they didn't have them yet.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Dude, he's Jerry Lawler had another stroke, man.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I know.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's a couple of days like a week ago or whatever.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's the one or something like that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But he's tough, man.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He keeps on coming back.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He's tough.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know what it is?

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[SPEAKER_01]: I have a theory on that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He never had any vices.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That guy never had any vices.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, he probably had a pretty bad diet.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That was probably it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, I mean, he was a women, he had a women, which is a vitamin.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, they get you in trouble.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, I mean, he's relatively healthy compared to some of these other guys.

57:35.309 --> 57:38.291
[SPEAKER_01]: And so he just keeps on kicking out of these strokes and all that stuff.

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[SPEAKER_01]: good for him, man, because he's definitely a legend.

57:42.265 --> 57:47.528
[SPEAKER_01]: He's one that I'm going to feel if he won't pass us away, because he's one of my heroes, and I really, really enjoyed watching this stuff.

57:47.768 --> 57:50.810
[SPEAKER_01]: Because I've studied before, Memphis Tiles, my first Tile pro wrestling.

57:51.290 --> 57:55.653
[SPEAKER_01]: It just so absurd and cartoony that I could, I could watch that stuff all day long.

57:57.255 --> 58:03.379
[SPEAKER_00]: So part of that show that Jared Jarrett show was a pretty famous match.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I think this was on one of those wrestling gold tapes that Dave did commentary for.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Rock and Roll Express versus Lanny Poffo and Savage.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And this is the pile driver through the table spot.

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[SPEAKER_00]: you remember that you remember.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I don't remember how we put to the table.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You're bringing up the I have the wrestling goals DVDs.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Is that David and Kornet?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Is all is his old best friend Jim Kornet?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, not friends anymore, but he used to be.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Any weasel duly references?

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I don't know.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I haven't seen him since 2001 since I bought him.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I don't know, that'd be a good watch along is to watch some of that stuff again.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think I've ever seen it, but I would see those commercials for sure.

58:48.017 --> 58:49.678
[SPEAKER_00]: I remember those wrestling gold commercials.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I don't even remember if I related that Dave, I knew Cornette, but I don't know if I related Dave as being Dave when I saw those commercials way back in the day.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I should get both of them to sign it, huh?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, you do, you can totally get.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, well, Courtney, I would get Jim to sign it first.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It will be made vice.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, they could sign different sleeves.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like they don't have to see, you know, for, yeah, that would be a cool little thing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, because I have them here.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I haven't seen them in God 20, some years though.

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[SPEAKER_00]: All right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So, uh,

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[SPEAKER_00]: Adrian Adonis, this is the this is the funniest story because this is wild to me.

59:28.992 --> 59:35.941
[SPEAKER_00]: But Adrian Adonis told the Tokyo newspapers that he would fight Larry Holmes in the fall in Las Vegas.

59:36.615 --> 59:40.576
[SPEAKER_00]: And Dave writes, either Adrian was putting them on or his wires aren't connecting.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I know Adrian is as tough as they come, but he's not in the type of condition.

59:43.497 --> 59:48.519
[SPEAKER_00]: They have fight with levels guy like that, all his good bumps, not with standing.

59:48.599 --> 59:51.780
[SPEAKER_00]: I've never heard that rumor, Adrian had done this in Larry.

59:51.820 --> 59:56.382
[SPEAKER_01]: That was by the same time until the Tokyo media, because he knew that wasn't really going to get around.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, totally.

59:58.063 --> 59:59.083
[SPEAKER_01]: And that was before him.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And he was starting to get out of shape, but he wasn't there yet.

01:00:01.684 --> 01:00:03.905
[SPEAKER_01]: So he was still looking decent during this time.

01:00:05.266 --> 01:00:07.409
[SPEAKER_00]: He wasn't the adorable Adrienne.

01:00:07.529 --> 01:00:08.971
[SPEAKER_01]: It wasn't a adorable Adrienne just yet.

01:00:10.473 --> 01:00:13.577
[SPEAKER_00]: So Dave writes about a newcomer.

01:00:14.482 --> 01:00:15.743
[SPEAKER_00]: Nikita Coloff.

01:00:16.364 --> 01:00:20.867
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, build as Ivan's nephew who is to compete in the Olympics.

01:00:21.348 --> 01:00:25.471
[SPEAKER_00]: But since the Russians boycott, and he's coming here on his own, so that's storyline.

01:00:26.131 --> 01:00:32.857
[SPEAKER_00]: At this point without seeing Nikita, Dave thinks it's Barry Darso from Mid-South.

01:00:33.017 --> 01:00:34.058
[SPEAKER_00]: That's his assumption.

01:00:34.098 --> 01:00:34.758
[SPEAKER_00]: So he thinks it's

01:00:39.862 --> 01:00:45.247
[SPEAKER_00]: And he said, I expect six months from now, he'll be one of the most improved wrestlers around.

01:00:46.107 --> 01:00:48.349
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know if he was quite that improved.

01:00:50.451 --> 01:00:54.735
[SPEAKER_01]: He was better than when he became smash because he wouldn't do nothing as smash, right?

01:00:54.775 --> 01:00:55.455
[SPEAKER_01]: Function kick.

01:00:56.156 --> 01:01:00.439
[SPEAKER_00]: But I'm talking about Nikita, how long did it take for Nikita to become passable at wrestling?

01:01:00.900 --> 01:01:01.440
[SPEAKER_00]: No, never.

01:01:02.861 --> 01:01:04.703
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, you know, he was kind of like Goldberg.

01:01:04.783 --> 01:01:05.163
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

01:01:05.183 --> 01:01:07.365
[SPEAKER_01]: He's always protected and he never really evolved.

01:01:09.238 --> 01:01:21.950
[SPEAKER_00]: I remember, so Nikita's another one of those where, you know, depending on what pocket of wrestling you come in, you see these guys or you hear about these guys and you go, oh man, I wish I could have seen them.

01:01:22.610 --> 01:01:31.379
[SPEAKER_00]: And so Nikita in 87, when he and Dusty become the superpowers, I could see a little bit of that stuff, but not a lot of it.

01:01:32.148 --> 01:01:33.389
[SPEAKER_00]: And then he goes away.

01:01:33.610 --> 01:01:41.678
[SPEAKER_00]: And so then when he comes back in 91 to face Luger and sting, then I'm excited because I'm like, oh, okay, like, you know, I missed this.

01:01:42.959 --> 01:01:44.981
[SPEAKER_00]: But that guy was a lot smaller than the guy from 1987.

01:01:45.101 --> 01:01:48.004
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it was in the Dooy diet by that point.

01:01:50.890 --> 01:01:54.031
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, what happened in 80 and 88 is that his wife got ill.

01:01:54.051 --> 01:01:55.691
[SPEAKER_01]: And so he had to leave to be with her.

01:01:56.031 --> 01:01:59.852
[SPEAKER_01]: And then he did a, I don't remember this, but he did a quick stand with the AWA.

01:01:59.872 --> 01:02:01.572
[SPEAKER_01]: I just don't put a couple bucks.

01:02:01.612 --> 01:02:03.692
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and a late 88 into 89.

01:02:04.453 --> 01:02:07.013
[SPEAKER_01]: And then he came back, like you said in 92.

01:02:07.553 --> 01:02:10.574
[SPEAKER_01]: And then Sid Vicious gave him a nasty power bomb.

01:02:10.614 --> 01:02:11.514
[SPEAKER_01]: And messed up his back.

01:02:12.074 --> 01:02:15.135
[SPEAKER_01]: He went to the old, the old alo alo, Lloyds of London.

01:02:15.375 --> 01:02:16.535
[SPEAKER_01]: And that was it for his career.

01:02:16.555 --> 01:02:17.415
[SPEAKER_00]: There you go.

01:02:18.941 --> 01:02:29.341
[SPEAKER_00]: uh... just a couple more notes and then we'll talk about these uh... shows from last weekend and this is a funny note so we're talking or talking uh... summer of uh... nineteen eighty four

01:02:30.117 --> 01:02:43.412
[SPEAKER_00]: Hulk's brother Eddie Boulder appeared June 16th on the Hollywood floor to show as most of you know, Hulk is actually from the Tampa area, losing to Mill Moscarus.

01:02:43.712 --> 01:02:46.495
[SPEAKER_00]: So Dave thinks that they're shoot brothers at this point.

01:02:46.995 --> 01:02:48.757
[SPEAKER_01]: I thought it was shoot brothers for a long time.

01:02:49.458 --> 01:03:06.072
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, because as soon as I was introduced to Brutus beef cake, somebody told me that it was my neighbor is like, oh, that you know that's Hogan's real brother I was like eight years older that time and it wouldn't be how there was no way for me to disprove that and they're like the best friends.

01:03:06.572 --> 01:03:14.259
[SPEAKER_01]: So I was like, okay, they're brothers, you know, it wasn't till like years later, they're not ready brothers, but but yeah, I believe they're for a long time, you know, so

01:03:15.700 --> 01:03:21.990
[SPEAKER_00]: I only have one comedy-dave segment here, and I still have not gotten the proper sound drop.

01:03:22.010 --> 01:03:25.175
[SPEAKER_00]: So we just got the one second comedy-dave sound drop here.

01:03:28.701 --> 01:03:29.462
[SPEAKER_00]: So Dave writes,

01:03:30.635 --> 01:03:53.508
[SPEAKER_00]: And let me I'll set this one up so you know this and I know this and I'm sure I'm sure most of the people listening because they're they're pretty smart about this this stuff but Gorillam on soon had had written a column one I don't even remember the timeframe but he wrote a column that superstar Billy Graham had passed away and it was actually not true.

01:03:54.384 --> 01:03:56.667
[SPEAKER_00]: and gorilla never recanted that statement.

01:03:56.687 --> 01:04:02.615
[SPEAKER_00]: So you have a lot of people who knew who superstar Billy Graham was in the wrestling world and just had assumed that he died.

01:04:02.895 --> 01:04:07.041
[SPEAKER_00]: So I needed to preface that statement so that everyone understood Dave's comedy here.

01:04:07.973 --> 01:04:14.597
[SPEAKER_00]: But Dave is writing about Billy Graham's kung fu version of his superstar Billy Graham character.

01:04:15.097 --> 01:04:22.301
[SPEAKER_00]: And he writes, Billy Graham is hilarious coming to the song, kung fu fighting.

01:04:23.082 --> 01:04:31.106
[SPEAKER_00]: Even though Graham wrestles like those rumors several years ago were true, he is kind of funny at the mic when the bout isn't going on.

01:04:31.666 --> 01:04:33.908
[SPEAKER_00]: So he basically said he's wrestling like if he died.

01:04:34.625 --> 01:04:54.440
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that might have been a little bit more mean Dave than comedy day, but I chuckled when I read that I think I think he was always hard on on super start because I was one of his fair wrestlers, yeah, yeah, all right, let's spend the next 20 minutes talking about these two shows from last weekend it was the

01:04:56.003 --> 01:04:56.403
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.

01:04:56.523 --> 01:04:59.185
[SPEAKER_00]: I found it to be like a really important wrestling day.

01:04:59.205 --> 01:05:10.710
[SPEAKER_00]: I know a lot of AEW fans were trying to know sell the idea that WWE is trying to, you know, interfere in their shows and stuff and they're like, oh, we're not worried about them.

01:05:11.131 --> 01:05:11.411
[SPEAKER_00]: But.

01:05:12.823 --> 01:05:30.216
[SPEAKER_00]: The fact that wrestling kind of dominated some of the talk of kind of programming and ESPN got this new app and and so they were part of that discussion and I was like I'll say this I liked

01:05:30.796 --> 01:05:42.628
[SPEAKER_00]: the AEW show or at least there were a lot of things that I like there a lot when you have an AEW show where there's like so many matches you're going to find lots to like lots to dislike and some of the things that you would have liked.

01:05:43.549 --> 01:05:50.776
[SPEAKER_00]: If you just didn't see a match that did all of the same spots and as this other like that that's kind of my my relations with AEW.

01:05:52.155 --> 01:05:57.323
[SPEAKER_00]: I will say that there was good stuff and, you know, mostly good stuff, but I don't think it was a home run shown anyway.

01:05:57.604 --> 01:06:00.849
[SPEAKER_00]: It's like a B or a B plus I think I told you after I watched it.

01:06:01.497 --> 01:06:03.679
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, I feel the same way.

01:06:03.699 --> 01:06:04.680
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, it was fun.

01:06:04.720 --> 01:06:08.423
[SPEAKER_01]: I watched it, but nothing stays with you, nothing stays.

01:06:08.483 --> 01:06:12.086
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, you know, you know, I always go back to movies.

01:06:12.546 --> 01:06:15.428
[SPEAKER_01]: There's this big thing right now with AMC, right?

01:06:15.749 --> 01:06:27.038
[SPEAKER_01]: Where the film industry wants to get them to stop playing 30 minutes where the trailers, because the studios are like, if you give them 30 minutes of trailers, they're not going to retain any of the trailers.

01:06:27.818 --> 01:06:48.944
[SPEAKER_01]: You have to give them 15 10 minutes tops so that they could retain the movies that were previewing and it's the same thing with AWS like you get all these you get 13 14 matches per show and it's like you just numb you just numb at the end of the show you just you can really you know and then especially now where.

01:06:50.654 --> 01:06:56.940
[SPEAKER_01]: where they're doing all these like blood and all that stuff, you know, it makes it even more like numbing.

01:06:58.761 --> 01:07:00.723
[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, so I enjoyed it.

01:07:00.763 --> 01:07:01.704
[SPEAKER_01]: It was a show, you know.

01:07:02.825 --> 01:07:05.848
[SPEAKER_01]: But talk about the WWE show because that was the real disappointment of the night.

01:07:06.378 --> 01:07:28.399
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I was, you know, I'm a sports media guy and I've been a sports media guy since I was a little kid like I really really cared about the TV ratings for this Super Bowl and the world series and I would compare and contrast and go, oh, you know, why is basketball lower than football and those kind of things as even as a little kid and.

01:07:29.439 --> 01:07:41.970
[SPEAKER_00]: So I was really excited to see ESPN using the WWE show as a vehicle for their new over-the-top unlimited network.

01:07:42.610 --> 01:07:53.259
[SPEAKER_00]: And the reason, so if people don't know, the reason why WWE is valuable content for ESPN is because ESPN has lots of different sports.

01:07:55.301 --> 01:07:57.743
[SPEAKER_00]: They've college football in the NFL.

01:07:57.903 --> 01:07:59.804
[SPEAKER_00]: That is dominating ESPN.

01:08:00.045 --> 01:08:09.992
[SPEAKER_00]: So if you are a college football and an NFL fan, you are locked in, you're subscribed, you're watching your ESPN from August until February.

01:08:10.733 --> 01:08:15.016
[SPEAKER_00]: When the Super Bowl's over or even earlier than that, when the NFL playoffs are done,

01:08:15.684 --> 01:08:18.628
[SPEAKER_00]: you're like, okay, what do I need ESPN for?

01:08:19.229 --> 01:08:20.791
[SPEAKER_00]: Do I need it for the basketball?

01:08:20.851 --> 01:08:22.633
[SPEAKER_00]: Some people will stick around for the basketball.

01:08:22.673 --> 01:08:23.614
[SPEAKER_00]: Some people will not.

01:08:24.255 --> 01:08:26.999
[SPEAKER_00]: They're not really in bed with the MLB anymore.

01:08:27.039 --> 01:08:29.061
[SPEAKER_00]: So they're not going to really be there with baseball.

01:08:29.742 --> 01:08:32.826
[SPEAKER_00]: And so how do they keep people subscribed year round?

01:08:33.853 --> 01:08:43.239
[SPEAKER_00]: One of those ways was that UFC, the UFC had a monthly pay per view, so you kind of wanted to keep your ESPN plus subscription if you were a UFC fan.

01:08:43.860 --> 01:08:45.341
[SPEAKER_00]: They don't have UFC anymore.

01:08:45.461 --> 01:08:47.022
[SPEAKER_00]: UFC is going to be on Paramount.

01:08:48.023 --> 01:08:49.083
[SPEAKER_00]: How about Plan B?

01:08:50.184 --> 01:08:52.826
[SPEAKER_00]: How about we have these WWE shows?

01:08:53.086 --> 01:08:54.467
[SPEAKER_00]: And we only show them

01:08:55.496 --> 01:09:05.979
[SPEAKER_00]: on the unlimited streaming network so thus you either have to have a cable company that gives their subscribers the app like mine because I got Hulu or

01:09:06.791 --> 01:09:09.312
[SPEAKER_00]: the fans have to buy it for 30 bucks a month.

01:09:09.812 --> 01:09:20.737
[SPEAKER_00]: Now you don't only get the WWE stuff, but you know, and I know there are some pro wrestling fans who only watch wrestling and they don't watch any real sports.

01:09:20.857 --> 01:09:23.699
[SPEAKER_00]: So they are, they might be exclusively buying it for this thing.

01:09:24.219 --> 01:09:30.782
[SPEAKER_00]: So I was thinking like, okay, this is great because now WWE is going to help them keep their subscribers

01:09:34.535 --> 01:09:42.339
[SPEAKER_00]: And I watch that first show and I'm like, we're gonna get whatever the Netflix raw version is of the ESPN show.

01:09:42.419 --> 01:09:48.063
[SPEAKER_00]: We're gonna get that because they want to knock this thing, they want to hit a home run.

01:09:48.083 --> 01:09:49.944
[SPEAKER_00]: They want to hit a grand slam with this show.

01:09:50.704 --> 01:09:56.607
[SPEAKER_00]: And Triple H in company said, no, like, you guys are getting a peacock show.

01:09:56.627 --> 01:09:58.268
[SPEAKER_00]: Like that's just what this is gonna be.

01:09:59.009 --> 01:10:00.590
[SPEAKER_00]: Some people like those peacock shows,

01:10:01.517 --> 01:10:04.978
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't like the B shows necessarily all that much coming up.

01:10:05.419 --> 01:10:10.261
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm a fan of like stuff happening and news coming out of the show that I want to follow up on Raw.

01:10:11.061 --> 01:10:13.842
[SPEAKER_00]: And this show had nothing of that nature.

01:10:14.302 --> 01:10:17.724
[SPEAKER_00]: And it was just a stand-by wrestling show.

01:10:18.164 --> 01:10:24.727
[SPEAKER_00]: And if you liked the build of AJ and see him punk and and and Seth and Becky,

01:10:25.900 --> 01:10:27.522
[SPEAKER_00]: You may have been entertained.

01:10:27.782 --> 01:10:35.310
[SPEAKER_00]: I found AJ Lee's offense like downright disgusting for the most part, and I was really disappointed in that match.

01:10:36.030 --> 01:10:39.093
[SPEAKER_00]: But I will admit that's what got me to the dance, right?

01:10:39.173 --> 01:10:43.698
[SPEAKER_00]: I got to watch anyways, but I was so excited for that build Cody and Drew.

01:10:44.497 --> 01:10:45.218
[SPEAKER_00]: good match.

01:10:45.839 --> 01:10:51.025
[SPEAKER_00]: If they wrestled 10 times, this is probably in the bottom five of the matches that they'll ever have.

01:10:51.625 --> 01:10:56.611
[SPEAKER_00]: John Cena and Brock Lesnar, I kind of jokingly referred to it as an old timer's game.

01:10:57.392 --> 01:11:04.941
[SPEAKER_00]: I'll take that back a little bit, but you had so much good will built in this John Cena character from the turn, and I think they

01:11:06.280 --> 01:11:09.282
[SPEAKER_00]: they took it for granted or we'll see if they took it for granted.

01:11:09.402 --> 01:11:15.626
[SPEAKER_00]: It's possible he'll still be over like crazy, but I was like, oh man, we needed to see John make a giant comeback.

01:11:15.986 --> 01:11:20.689
[SPEAKER_00]: Even if he's going to lose, we need to he needs to get a big two count on Brock, like Brock's going to lose.

01:11:21.430 --> 01:11:29.255
[SPEAKER_00]: John's Rob promo building to this match was so amazing, and I think it was actually longer than this match was.

01:11:30.121 --> 01:11:31.763
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, this match was really short.

01:11:31.783 --> 01:11:36.307
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, like you said, everything, there was just a big night of this appointment.

01:11:37.068 --> 01:11:40.451
[SPEAKER_01]: I was expecting more pop and circumstances.

01:11:40.511 --> 01:11:46.177
[SPEAKER_01]: I was expecting some surprises just because this show needed to stand out.

01:11:46.337 --> 01:11:49.901
[SPEAKER_01]: It couldn't have been like the other, like the other, and they just didn't deliver.

01:11:51.702 --> 01:12:06.593
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know if I blame AJ Lee for her offense because let's keep in mind she's coming from another era first of all and also she hasn't worked in 10 years so I mean I don't know I'm maybe I'm being too soft on her but I didn't I wasn't really tripping on that.

01:12:07.033 --> 01:12:18.442
[SPEAKER_00]: I just think like the slaps like the slaps come from a like a diva's era of wrestling style and we're so far beyond that with how good women's wrestling is it just looks like she didn't fit

01:12:19.182 --> 01:12:30.390
[SPEAKER_01]: But I also think because there's no house shows, this is her first match back, so it's like she teleported herself from a time machine from like 2014 to 2025, and that's what I was expecting.

01:12:30.450 --> 01:12:33.212
[SPEAKER_01]: I was expecting that kind of wrestling from her.

01:12:34.093 --> 01:12:35.634
[SPEAKER_01]: I just thought it was it was very

01:12:38.896 --> 01:12:49.099
[SPEAKER_01]: of the feud wasn't matched by the actual match itself, you know, it was slow, but then again, I think the big pink elephant in the room has always been that punk is not the wrestler.

01:12:49.459 --> 01:12:53.220
[SPEAKER_01]: His wrestling style doesn't match his charisma and his, it never has.

01:12:53.280 --> 01:12:54.581
[SPEAKER_01]: I want you to be honest with you.

01:12:54.601 --> 01:12:57.582
[SPEAKER_01]: So, see you in punk's matches.

01:12:58.562 --> 01:13:04.423
[SPEAKER_01]: If you go into them expecting them to deliver on the hype because he's such a great promo guy, he knows how to hype a match.

01:13:04.903 --> 01:13:10.384
[SPEAKER_01]: Nine times out of ten, you're going to be let down because his working ability has never been able to match his hype.

01:13:10.744 --> 01:13:12.544
[SPEAKER_01]: And now that he's older, it's going to be even less.

01:13:13.385 --> 01:13:17.705
[SPEAKER_01]: And I felt like Seth had to slow down for all of them.

01:13:18.025 --> 01:13:20.766
[SPEAKER_01]: He had to actually work slower than he likes to.

01:13:21.306 --> 01:13:25.307
[SPEAKER_01]: So that was a, and then when 30 minutes is like, when you, I mean, I get it, they drew the

01:13:28.167 --> 01:13:33.328
[SPEAKER_01]: But there is a lot of little problems in WWE right now that could become big problems.

01:13:34.369 --> 01:13:45.312
[SPEAKER_01]: I think there's taking a lot of things for granted, you know, and a lot of the way they do their business is becoming more and more transparent.

01:13:48.173 --> 01:13:49.753
[SPEAKER_01]: We keep on saying people are going to wake up.

01:13:49.773 --> 01:13:53.915
[SPEAKER_01]: Me and you have been saying it for a year, but then business-wise nothing ever changes is still the same thing.

01:13:54.395 --> 01:13:58.276
[SPEAKER_00]: Because they got the fans just slurping it all up still.

01:13:59.836 --> 01:14:06.798
[SPEAKER_00]: And so they're business model is to get the fans to keep buying more or more.

01:14:07.238 --> 01:14:11.679
[SPEAKER_00]: And we were waiting for was the fans to kind of go, OK, we're good.

01:14:11.799 --> 01:14:13.580
[SPEAKER_00]: And you saw those WrestleMania prices.

01:14:14.733 --> 01:14:18.817
[SPEAKER_00]: And if that doesn't take the fan base to say, okay, we're good, then nothing will.

01:14:19.377 --> 01:14:22.800
[SPEAKER_01]: But I'm wondering, where are these people coming from?

01:14:22.860 --> 01:14:25.863
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, like, who could afford stuff like that?

01:14:25.903 --> 01:14:30.106
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, and regular, I know we got the green shirt guy who I guess buys all that stuff.

01:14:30.627 --> 01:14:33.770
[SPEAKER_01]: But, but I mean, other than like, you have all these people that are just.

01:14:35.156 --> 01:14:38.838
[SPEAKER_01]: They're just so loyal to this company, doesn't matter how they get treated.

01:14:38.858 --> 01:14:48.684
[SPEAKER_01]: And now it's becoming that whole, because we're saying this and everything in economics in this country with the whole capitalistic thing of like, you're getting less for more, right?

01:14:48.725 --> 01:14:51.906
[SPEAKER_01]: You're getting less, I know that a lot of like,

01:14:52.867 --> 01:14:59.271
[SPEAKER_01]: like the liberals were saying we're tired like they're putting you know in the grocery markets they're putting less product and you're paying more money.

01:14:59.611 --> 01:15:10.258
[SPEAKER_01]: Well same thing with wrestling is like we're getting five matches per show and we're paying these outrageous ticket prices what we should be guaranteed to see every star you know that's under that roof but we were not.

01:15:10.358 --> 01:15:18.943
[SPEAKER_01]: It just doesn't work that way over there and yet people are just taking it and just cool with it okay okay okay so that's why you know I know I really pissed me off

01:15:20.802 --> 01:15:21.582
[SPEAKER_00]: he said anything.

01:15:22.022 --> 01:15:22.442
[SPEAKER_00]: I didn't like it.

01:15:22.522 --> 01:15:23.703
[SPEAKER_00]: I didn't really have said me.

01:15:23.943 --> 01:15:31.645
[SPEAKER_00]: The Stephanie thing was it was like the least of my concerns really like I hate when I see the undertaker on TV, but that's just me personally.

01:15:31.665 --> 01:15:37.587
[SPEAKER_01]: You've always you since he first came on, you were saying he was overexposed after like the first shooting interview we ever did.

01:15:37.847 --> 01:15:39.927
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm like, dude, he's never broken character.

01:15:40.187 --> 01:15:41.128
[SPEAKER_01]: Now I'm on your side.

01:15:41.168 --> 01:15:44.609
[SPEAKER_01]: He needs to go away now.

01:15:45.689 --> 01:15:45.849
[SPEAKER_00]: So.

01:15:47.120 --> 01:15:50.863
[SPEAKER_00]: Let's say you were one, I don't imagine you paid the 30 bucks for that app.

01:15:50.923 --> 01:15:53.044
[SPEAKER_00]: I know you, I don't think you wouldn't know the 30 bucks.

01:15:53.344 --> 01:15:54.125
[SPEAKER_00]: I didn't pay for it.

01:15:54.385 --> 01:15:57.527
[SPEAKER_00]: I didn't pay for it either, but it's because I get mine with my subscription.

01:15:58.228 --> 01:16:00.889
[SPEAKER_00]: There are people who paid the 30 bucks to watch that show.

01:16:02.330 --> 01:16:04.192
[SPEAKER_00]: And there were commercials in that.

01:16:04.232 --> 01:16:05.172
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, oh God.

01:16:05.613 --> 01:16:11.897
[SPEAKER_00]: Can you imagine paying money so that you can see commercials throughout the show?

01:16:11.937 --> 01:16:13.338
[SPEAKER_00]: When it literally should have been,

01:16:14.077 --> 01:16:17.240
[SPEAKER_00]: the best paper view product that WWE could put on.

01:16:17.961 --> 01:16:19.022
[SPEAKER_00]: You're getting double dip.

01:16:19.062 --> 01:16:24.307
[SPEAKER_00]: Now, I'm going to guess that that was ESPN's side of the conversation.

01:16:24.467 --> 01:16:30.333
[SPEAKER_00]: Unless the reason they had to have commercials is because WWE has international deals.

01:16:31.754 --> 01:16:34.797
[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe there's the Netflix product that they put in, whatever it is.

01:16:36.456 --> 01:16:41.541
[SPEAKER_00]: There should be no commercials on ESPN because of what you paid to watch that show.

01:16:41.581 --> 01:16:42.702
[SPEAKER_00]: So that's the first thing.

01:16:43.362 --> 01:16:50.289
[SPEAKER_00]: But the second thing is, I turned, so, okay, so I watched the first match while I was watching AW.

01:16:50.389 --> 01:16:51.910
[SPEAKER_00]: I just wanted to see how it happened.

01:16:52.270 --> 01:16:57.475
[SPEAKER_00]: Then I'd backed out and I went back into the app to rewatch the first match.

01:16:58.036 --> 01:16:59.597
[SPEAKER_00]: The show wasn't quite over yet.

01:16:59.677 --> 01:17:01.519
[SPEAKER_00]: I think it was probably late in the show.

01:17:02.443 --> 01:17:07.207
[SPEAKER_00]: There was a 30 minute ad that I could not fast forward through after 30 minutes.

01:17:07.587 --> 01:17:11.190
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I'm sorry, 30 seconds that I couldn't fast forward through.

01:17:11.210 --> 01:17:14.753
[SPEAKER_00]: If I could fast forward through it, no biggie, but I couldn't fast forward through it.

01:17:14.773 --> 01:17:25.082
[SPEAKER_00]: I just sit through this 30 second ad before I could even get to the actual show again, which that stuff is prepossious because you're just double dipping on your customers.

01:17:25.849 --> 01:17:46.284
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I know that would piss me off a lot so here's a question which is we just talked about AEW is over stuffing in a sense for their shows and WWE is not giving people enough like what where is that product that is giving you the the right amount of matches and the right amount of

01:17:46.784 --> 01:17:56.448
[SPEAKER_00]: angles in the right amount of, you know, pomp and circumstance like you're saying like what there's it seems like we have one side and then the other side and nothing in the middle right now.

01:17:57.469 --> 01:18:06.273
[SPEAKER_01]: No, I like I like a nice little balanced thing is when they give us the like the WrestleMania and the summer slams that have about six or seven matches.

01:18:06.593 --> 01:18:07.413
[SPEAKER_01]: I think that's perfect.

01:18:07.934 --> 01:18:10.755
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, I think I actually think that this year's summer

01:18:16.357 --> 01:18:21.158
[SPEAKER_01]: It really, it really kind of made up for how bad WrestleMania was because I mean, let's be about it.

01:18:21.178 --> 01:18:24.239
[SPEAKER_01]: This year's WrestleMania is going to be looked back as probably one of the all-time works.

01:18:24.259 --> 01:18:29.040
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, it's going to be there with nine and two and other ones that everybody always talks about.

01:18:29.940 --> 01:18:30.821
[SPEAKER_01]: And this one's there now.

01:18:30.941 --> 01:18:37.702
[SPEAKER_01]: So, so I like that WrestleMania Summerslam, give me seven matches per night kind of thing, maybe eight.

01:18:38.563 --> 01:18:40.443
[SPEAKER_01]: Because you also want characters to be over.

01:18:40.503 --> 01:18:44.184
[SPEAKER_01]: You don't want to see Shinsuke Nakamura out there eating 10 minutes.

01:18:44.844 --> 01:19:11.594
[SPEAKER_01]: with uh... with uh... with uh... with uh... with uh... i don't know this is one of your barrier guys with the jacy materials of the world you know uh... with we don't want to see that either like uh... i want to see guys that are over and i haven't seen i haven't seen jiff cow bond w to be in a little while i guess he could so those been off tv so that's yeah they're they've all been off and and and i don't know what happened to jaco fought to he just vanished yeah he's another one and and some people thought that he was going to show up on rust plaza which is the other thing

01:19:12.114 --> 01:19:22.437
[SPEAKER_00]: because in the one of the great things about this relation with the SPN is now you have these WWE wrestlers on the talking head shows on ESPN.

01:19:22.477 --> 01:19:27.218
[SPEAKER_00]: They're able to talk about their shows Russell Palooza and now Crown Jewel.

01:19:27.518 --> 01:19:33.380
[SPEAKER_00]: They're able to talk about this on ESPN, which is just about the best publicity you could possibly get today.

01:19:34.100 --> 01:19:36.541
[SPEAKER_00]: And so Triple H says, you know, we're going to have

01:19:42.161 --> 01:19:47.208
[SPEAKER_00]: Unless you consider Paul Hayman joining Brock Lesnar with no explanation.

01:19:47.963 --> 01:19:55.791
[SPEAKER_00]: and unless you consider Stephanie going into the Hall of Fame and maybe LA night being a special guest referee, what were the actual surprises on that show?

01:19:56.531 --> 01:19:57.032
[SPEAKER_00]: Nothing.

01:19:57.272 --> 01:20:01.476
[SPEAKER_00]: So he's he's just carnival barking up up everyone's ass and not delivering.

01:20:02.177 --> 01:20:08.323
[SPEAKER_01]: Which is a promoter's job but still it's still something that should try to be a void it because we're trying to be better, you know?

01:20:09.844 --> 01:20:12.787
[SPEAKER_01]: But up and then again TK does have an announcement this Wednesday so

01:20:12.967 --> 01:20:21.080
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, okay, so if that this is the opportunity, this would have been a great opportunity for TK's surprises to hit because he did have some.

01:20:22.719 --> 01:20:33.942
[SPEAKER_00]: I was not a fan of the jungle boy and Luther Sorris getting back together because they're basically saying, let's erase the last three years of Jack Perry and let's just go back to when he was.

01:20:34.302 --> 01:20:49.326
[SPEAKER_01]: Exactly what I thought is that you're literally going backwards, you're admitting that his singles run didn't work is what you're admitting and now the kid is three years old I remember when he first came up it was like finally we're going to get that 21.2 year old kid that the business needs because we don't have a lot of those guys.

01:20:50.066 --> 01:20:55.893
[SPEAKER_01]: And he just got old and now he's his possible prime has passed them by just like that.

01:20:56.153 --> 01:21:03.241
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, he's got he's got a look very money, but still, you know, yeah, I'm sure he wanted he he he's the prideful guy who wanted to be over in wrestling.

01:21:03.721 --> 01:21:03.942
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

01:21:04.222 --> 01:21:05.703
[SPEAKER_00]: And so another the other.

01:21:07.310 --> 01:21:08.670
[SPEAKER_00]: the other, I guess, surprises.

01:21:09.290 --> 01:21:21.053
[SPEAKER_00]: Hook coming out to save Eddie Kingston and they're going to be attacking, which it would have worked the other way around if Hook was getting his ass kicked and Eddie Kingston came out to you know, and he wasn't promoted.

01:21:21.133 --> 01:21:24.394
[SPEAKER_00]: That would have been a great surprise, but that was another one that didn't work.

01:21:24.534 --> 01:21:31.436
[SPEAKER_00]: And then, you have Tony Storm, who's the most overwhelming in all of wrestling,

01:21:32.865 --> 01:21:42.381
[SPEAKER_00]: and you have a flash pin in a good submission move, but a surprise victory by the one person who's been on AEW television the most.

01:21:44.097 --> 01:21:48.140
[SPEAKER_00]: And that they're selling that as like an anything can happen.

01:21:48.200 --> 01:21:50.382
[SPEAKER_00]: I was like, well, how about you build the person up?

01:21:50.622 --> 01:21:51.603
[SPEAKER_00]: And then they get the win.

01:21:51.623 --> 01:21:53.044
[SPEAKER_00]: How about that happens better?

01:21:53.405 --> 01:22:00.651
[SPEAKER_00]: Because then you could still do the surprise, but it won't feel like it came out of nowhere or that, oh, it's Tony Hurt.

01:22:00.731 --> 01:22:01.451
[SPEAKER_00]: Why did she lose?

01:22:01.491 --> 01:22:05.515
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, when the question is, why did she lose more than,

01:22:06.175 --> 01:22:07.736
[SPEAKER_00]: the excitement of somebody winning.

01:22:07.836 --> 01:22:09.157
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't I don't think that was good either.

01:22:09.197 --> 01:22:17.503
[SPEAKER_00]: So those three surprises to me were Tony could have like really done something excellent to kind of take the the news cycle away from them.

01:22:18.084 --> 01:22:20.125
[SPEAKER_00]: He didn't do those good those things either.

01:22:20.185 --> 01:22:35.277
[SPEAKER_00]: He his way of winning this cycle is, you know, hangman page winning a match that went 38 minutes or whatever, or Masqueradurada who had a great match, but they're not even going to talk about it on Wednesday probably.

01:22:36.017 --> 01:22:40.799
[SPEAKER_01]: No, and they need they need to the follow up on Kyle Fletcher needs to be there.

01:22:40.939 --> 01:22:42.040
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm I'm already made.

01:22:42.680 --> 01:22:54.925
[SPEAKER_01]: I'll be very disappointed if they don't do anything because he should he should open up the TV show probably right I mean he needs to be he needs to be up there with a upper echelon now watching this appear for three months after after like

01:22:55.525 --> 01:22:59.627
[SPEAKER_01]: which wouldn't, that happens with these guys, they just, you know, Tony Condos at all the time.

01:23:00.047 --> 01:23:04.810
[SPEAKER_01]: I know Uncle Dave gets mad because he's like, well, WWE doesn't do it like that.

01:23:05.350 --> 01:23:09.252
[SPEAKER_01]: WWE doesn't come off or start making performance and they just vanished.

01:23:09.613 --> 01:23:12.494
[SPEAKER_01]: There's a lot of examples of TK doing that time and time again.

01:23:14.375 --> 01:23:22.462
[SPEAKER_01]: And then the thing with Chris that land they're in Tony Storm the logical thing would be to follow up on a single match with them Why's them never even touch anymore?

01:23:22.482 --> 01:23:28.507
[SPEAKER_01]: They're both gonna go on different directions and it's like wasn't Tony Storm gonna get a rematch I mean, she was champion for almost a year.

01:23:28.887 --> 01:23:37.434
[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe I think it was yeah almost a year No, cuz she wanted She wanted in March right from what's her name?

01:23:38.823 --> 01:23:40.625
[SPEAKER_00]: April, May, June from Marame.

01:23:40.645 --> 01:23:42.147
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, she wanted, I was there.

01:23:42.247 --> 01:23:43.908
[SPEAKER_01]: She wanted, she wanted in March, I revolution.

01:23:45.190 --> 01:23:46.271
[SPEAKER_01]: But still, it was a long time.

01:23:46.711 --> 01:23:55.280
[SPEAKER_01]: So to me, it's like, especially now that you have all these paper views, matchups, Chris that land that would Tony start having, do the one-on-one thing and then take it from there.

01:23:55.641 --> 01:23:57.343
[SPEAKER_01]: But no, they're going to go in two different directions.

01:23:57.383 --> 01:23:59.084
[SPEAKER_01]: I could already see it because,

01:23:59.805 --> 01:24:02.868
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know Tony Khan doesn't know how to build fuse.

01:24:02.888 --> 01:24:04.670
[SPEAKER_01]: He doesn't know how to like pay off stuff.

01:24:05.011 --> 01:24:12.438
[SPEAKER_01]: And that's why I worry about Kyle Fletcher because that's why he keeps on saying he's just this is like a developmental grunt for him to headline WrestleMania.

01:24:12.719 --> 01:24:17.924
[SPEAKER_01]: This was literally a showcase for Triple H to be on his private jet and be like hey

01:24:18.384 --> 01:24:21.448
[SPEAKER_01]: throw on the what is the competition have?

01:24:21.848 --> 01:24:23.570
[SPEAKER_01]: Nick, turn it to the competition.

01:24:23.610 --> 01:24:24.130
[SPEAKER_01]: I want to see.

01:24:24.371 --> 01:24:25.312
[SPEAKER_01]: I heard about this kid.

01:24:25.332 --> 01:24:27.434
[SPEAKER_01]: They keep on that guy in the third.

01:24:27.454 --> 01:24:28.115
[SPEAKER_01]: She's what's his name?

01:24:28.175 --> 01:24:28.635
[SPEAKER_01]: Meltzer.

01:24:28.935 --> 01:24:29.917
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm putting up this kid.

01:24:29.957 --> 01:24:30.517
[SPEAKER_01]: I want to see him.

01:24:30.938 --> 01:24:31.718
[SPEAKER_01]: He's in a see him.

01:24:31.819 --> 01:24:32.479
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh my god.

01:24:33.320 --> 01:24:36.804
[SPEAKER_01]: When Nick, when his contact is over, talk to these people.

01:24:36.824 --> 01:24:37.765
[SPEAKER_01]: We're going to bring him over.

01:24:37.825 --> 01:24:38.465
[SPEAKER_01]: Make him a star.

01:24:38.886 --> 01:24:39.887
[SPEAKER_01]: That's what's going to happen.

01:24:39.927 --> 01:24:40.588
[SPEAKER_01]: Do I mean?

01:24:41.893 --> 01:24:43.854
[SPEAKER_01]: Geez, but I hope I'm wrong and T.K.

01:24:43.894 --> 01:24:47.436
[SPEAKER_01]: has a plan for him because he really, I'm very impressed with Kyle Fletcher.

01:24:47.456 --> 01:24:51.618
[SPEAKER_01]: I think he really has the potential to be a big star in this business.

01:24:51.678 --> 01:24:54.340
[SPEAKER_01]: But Tony Condos and how to make superstars.

01:24:54.660 --> 01:24:59.123
[SPEAKER_00]: He just doesn't have a comment from Jay Boba 28.

01:25:00.602 --> 01:25:16.095
[SPEAKER_00]: get your take on this crazy how WWE fans are finally seeing how bad the product is even those have been bad since post-Russ May a 40 even Santa's app, I don't know who that is, who is a notoriously a WWE Glazer gave it a negative review.

01:25:16.175 --> 01:25:17.977
[SPEAKER_01]: Even the US PN gave it a C-minus.

01:25:18.700 --> 01:25:20.301
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, do you know, do you know that story?

01:25:20.561 --> 01:25:21.261
[SPEAKER_00]: Do you know who that is?

01:25:21.281 --> 01:25:26.664
[SPEAKER_00]: No, is that so on Dress Hale, he is there.

01:25:26.964 --> 01:25:29.645
[SPEAKER_01]: And if it like that, somebody was about to be fired to be honest with you.

01:25:30.866 --> 01:25:33.807
[SPEAKER_00]: This dude is a fantastic dude.

01:25:35.328 --> 01:25:38.290
[SPEAKER_00]: I wouldn't say that we're friends, but he's somebody that

01:25:38.990 --> 01:25:48.459
[SPEAKER_00]: you know, I will kind of chit chat with or whatever, but he invited me, so WrestleMania of the last WrestleMania in Vegas when I was there, he invited me to little gathering.

01:25:49.880 --> 01:25:56.246
[SPEAKER_00]: And it was mostly, I would say, people of color who do content in pro wrestling.

01:25:56.266 --> 01:25:57.247
[SPEAKER_00]: That was kind of the angle.

01:25:59.008 --> 01:26:00.409
[SPEAKER_00]: And he was, I was talking to him because

01:26:01.150 --> 01:26:02.911
[SPEAKER_00]: you know, he's been working for ESPN now.

01:26:03.771 --> 01:26:10.293
[SPEAKER_00]: And he had recently, I noticed that he was kind of straddling between boxing and MMA and stuff.

01:26:10.333 --> 01:26:11.614
[SPEAKER_00]: And so we had just had a conversation.

01:26:11.654 --> 01:26:15.595
[SPEAKER_00]: He was like, yeah, you know, there's, there's, there's not a lot of us.

01:26:15.635 --> 01:26:23.358
[SPEAKER_00]: So sometimes we got to cover these, you know, crossover, one of their boxing writers, Mike, a copinger, he bailed.

01:26:23.418 --> 01:26:27.219
[SPEAKER_00]: So now there was more stuff for the, for the combat sports guys to follow.

01:26:27.659 --> 01:26:29.760
[SPEAKER_00]: So now you add the wrestling stuff,

01:26:30.760 --> 01:26:35.582
[SPEAKER_00]: And I was one, and so, you know, Dave's on this thing about, oh, where's their AEW content?

01:26:35.602 --> 01:26:37.823
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm like, Dave, they're just writing for clicks.

01:26:37.943 --> 01:26:41.885
[SPEAKER_00]: Like the, you know, the wrestling blogs get all the AEW clicks.

01:26:41.925 --> 01:26:43.105
[SPEAKER_00]: Like this is ESPN.

01:26:43.886 --> 01:26:50.529
[SPEAKER_00]: And so, they, he writes a couple of things, kind of building up to this show.

01:26:50.549 --> 01:26:52.930
[SPEAKER_00]: Actually, I think it was like a Seth Rollins thing.

01:26:53.750 --> 01:26:57.834
[SPEAKER_00]: And it is kind of written in K-fabe and I'm like, yeah, Andreus is really good.

01:26:57.874 --> 01:27:01.037
[SPEAKER_00]: They keep probably has to do this for strategic reasons or whatever.

01:27:01.857 --> 01:27:04.380
[SPEAKER_00]: But then he writes the review of the show.

01:27:05.381 --> 01:27:12.007
[SPEAKER_00]: And a friend passes, someone who's usually in this chat, lady B, she showed it and I was like, oh,

01:27:12.909 --> 01:27:15.450
[SPEAKER_00]: I wonder what he thought of the AEW show.

01:27:15.470 --> 01:27:17.071
[SPEAKER_00]: I wonder if he's even going to watch it.

01:27:17.351 --> 01:27:21.853
[SPEAKER_00]: So then she sent me another text that showed his review of the Kyle Fletcher match.

01:27:22.413 --> 01:27:23.894
[SPEAKER_00]: And I was like, OK, he did watch it.

01:27:23.934 --> 01:27:25.034
[SPEAKER_00]: He loved that match, by the way.

01:27:25.575 --> 01:27:32.598
[SPEAKER_00]: And I was like, see, the problem is he probably can't then go on ESPN and write his same review.

01:27:33.258 --> 01:27:36.501
[SPEAKER_00]: of the AEW product because that's not what ESPN bought.

01:27:36.962 --> 01:27:38.103
[SPEAKER_00]: That is the problem.

01:27:38.183 --> 01:27:47.030
[SPEAKER_00]: Not the fact that ESPN doesn't necessarily cover AEW that much, because that is all about clicks and how many people are reading their stuff.

01:27:47.111 --> 01:27:51.554
[SPEAKER_00]: AEW is still so much smaller, like, Dave did the Google Trends and, like,

01:27:52.335 --> 01:27:55.017
[SPEAKER_00]: WWE's Russell Palooza still dominated the Google Trends.

01:27:55.538 --> 01:28:01.102
[SPEAKER_00]: So I just wish that he could have also given his review of a WWE.

01:28:01.122 --> 01:28:09.168
[SPEAKER_00]: But there's no way, like can you imagine ESPN going like, why are you talking about the, you know, we have, we bought this.

01:28:09.268 --> 01:28:10.129
[SPEAKER_00]: We didn't buy that.

01:28:10.189 --> 01:28:13.451
[SPEAKER_00]: So that's the, the, the kind of that.

01:28:13.491 --> 01:28:16.373
[SPEAKER_01]: That's the, that's the saddest thing about the world we live in.

01:28:16.734 --> 01:28:18.035
[SPEAKER_01]: Right there where you just said, like,

01:28:18.755 --> 01:28:24.536
[SPEAKER_01]: ESPN is supposed to be like this neutral and partial as supposed to cover sports, right?

01:28:24.636 --> 01:28:29.398
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, even if there was a slant on the coverage, at least give us coverage.

01:28:29.678 --> 01:28:33.439
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you know, because it opened up the gates for us to go to explore ourselves, right?

01:28:33.859 --> 01:28:38.340
[SPEAKER_01]: Even if you have this A, W bias, because you, you, you bought into WWE.

01:28:39.060 --> 01:28:45.784
[SPEAKER_01]: at least fans could look into a what does it say double look into it, but they're afraid of even that so they're just not going to write anything about it.

01:28:46.745 --> 01:28:51.347
[SPEAKER_01]: And like you were saying that that reporter friend of yours could have comparing contrast.

01:28:51.647 --> 01:28:52.888
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, like they would have been great column.

01:28:52.908 --> 01:28:54.289
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it would have been a good one.

01:28:54.309 --> 01:28:58.932
[SPEAKER_00]: I would have been what we just talked about right now for the last 30 minutes it would have been a written version of that.

01:28:58.992 --> 01:28:59.352
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm sure.

01:29:00.013 --> 01:29:02.035
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and I was going to say it's to Jay Baba 28.

01:29:02.436 --> 01:29:12.387
[SPEAKER_01]: It's like we've been saying, yes, there is a vocal minority that's firing to build, but into into his reflected in business, they're not going to care.

01:29:12.607 --> 01:29:13.748
[SPEAKER_01]: And business is still hot.

01:29:14.249 --> 01:29:16.271
[SPEAKER_01]: Like I want people to stop buying tickets.

01:29:16.391 --> 01:29:19.255
[SPEAKER_01]: I want people to stop buying the ESPN app.

01:29:19.295 --> 01:29:20.856
[SPEAKER_01]: That's when they're going to start listening to you.

01:29:21.797 --> 01:29:24.598
[SPEAKER_01]: because they also, they also have masters to serve themselves.

01:29:25.098 --> 01:29:29.280
[SPEAKER_01]: So once they start getting that pressure from on top, that's when they're going to start making changes.

01:29:29.400 --> 01:29:31.000
[SPEAKER_01]: There's no reason to make changes right now.

01:29:31.040 --> 01:29:33.361
[SPEAKER_01]: Literally zero reasons to make changes right now.

01:29:33.861 --> 01:29:41.183
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, and I know, I know it's been theorized that that, that Sena is their gravy train, but that's not true because Sena's not, he's not in all the shows.

01:29:41.444 --> 01:29:45.485
[SPEAKER_00]: He wasn't even the biggest draw for their show this weekend.

01:29:46.209 --> 01:29:56.738
[SPEAKER_00]: Right, so it was that they pulled the aid, they pulled the AJ Lee out of their ass and and built up maybe the best always find people like that, oh man, it's just amazing with me like that.

01:29:56.758 --> 01:29:58.240
[SPEAKER_00]: He was fantastic.

01:29:58.760 --> 01:29:59.941
[SPEAKER_00]: Becky was fantastic.

01:30:00.382 --> 01:30:03.464
[SPEAKER_00]: That whole build to this match, even though I didn't like the match itself.

01:30:03.885 --> 01:30:05.867
[SPEAKER_00]: That whole thing was just the

01:30:07.067 --> 01:30:07.888
[SPEAKER_00]: that was business.

01:30:08.108 --> 01:30:16.913
[SPEAKER_00]: That was how WWE showing everybody how to do business just in these two segments that they did with those with those four people on screen.

01:30:17.193 --> 01:30:26.058
[SPEAKER_00]: It was fantastic work and that's where you do have to, you know, if we're going to discredit a lot of the stuff, you do have to credit that because that was brilliant.

01:30:26.278 --> 01:30:29.180
[SPEAKER_00]: Like that's something AEW can't do.

01:30:29.600 --> 01:30:34.923
[SPEAKER_00]: That's something that even though you have an edge and Christian who are the pros of pros,

01:30:35.543 --> 01:30:38.627
[SPEAKER_00]: they would rather do goofy stuff in the locker room with Wendel Carter.

01:30:38.647 --> 01:30:40.450
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't even know who that was.

01:30:40.670 --> 01:30:42.673
[SPEAKER_00]: Wendel Clark, Wendel Carter's bashball player.

01:30:42.693 --> 01:30:48.500
[SPEAKER_00]: Wendel Clark, the hockey player, and the bug-eyed guy from that other show.

01:30:48.720 --> 01:30:51.544
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, they would rather do stuff like that because that's what entertains them.

01:30:52.465 --> 01:30:56.850
[SPEAKER_00]: Wow, we have, you know, some other stuff that's really big on the other show.

01:30:56.890 --> 01:31:05.019
[SPEAKER_00]: That's that that's really I think that the kind of the comparing contrast problem is WWE even if you didn't like this show.

01:31:05.580 --> 01:31:10.385
[SPEAKER_00]: They still did it in so much of a bigger way than the AEW show did their show.

01:31:11.037 --> 01:31:12.878
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I'll put a more for the hype.

01:31:12.938 --> 01:31:13.738
[SPEAKER_01]: The hype deliver.

01:31:13.778 --> 01:31:18.240
[SPEAKER_01]: They had three big even the useless reuniting for the first time and forever.

01:31:18.620 --> 01:31:19.520
[SPEAKER_01]: That was a big deal.

01:31:20.140 --> 01:31:23.381
[SPEAKER_01]: So the the card itself was stacked for only five matches.

01:31:23.421 --> 01:31:24.482
[SPEAKER_01]: I thought it was pretty stacked.

01:31:24.942 --> 01:31:27.263
[SPEAKER_01]: It's just the the the presentation.

01:31:28.463 --> 01:31:29.584
[SPEAKER_01]: left a lot to be desired.

01:31:29.824 --> 01:31:31.705
[SPEAKER_01]: It was just another random show, you know.

01:31:32.085 --> 01:31:43.372
[SPEAKER_01]: And I know for an understand as I say in that step versus the old sky saved it, I don't think it's hard for it's hard for there to be any bad PLL is nowadays because everyone's so polished and everybody's so good.

01:31:43.853 --> 01:31:52.158
[SPEAKER_01]: So I wouldn't say it was one of the worst PLLs of the year, but it was it just it just didn't deliver in my from the height from how hyped.

01:31:52.638 --> 01:31:54.579
[SPEAKER_00]: They made it to what they actually showed.

01:31:54.599 --> 01:32:01.983
[SPEAKER_00]: It was an those the most under-delivered show though WrestleMania was kind of under-delivered Yeah, I did but I think that's one of the worst of the year.

01:32:02.043 --> 01:32:04.425
[SPEAKER_01]: WrestleMania Especially night one.

01:32:05.105 --> 01:32:21.495
[SPEAKER_01]: I didn't really care for the under-card night two was the main event But yeah, so I don't know I was disappointed Now they have this show from Perth which hopefully if that's gonna be hard we know that And then it's officially gonna be AJ versus John Cena, which is gonna be

01:32:22.555 --> 01:32:23.816
[SPEAKER_01]: essentially there's no bills up to it.

01:32:23.876 --> 01:32:30.241
[SPEAKER_01]: It just literally just signed it, which is fine because we all remember they had a classic feud back in 2016, 2017.

01:32:31.562 --> 01:32:33.144
[SPEAKER_01]: I will, I will ask you this now.

01:32:33.204 --> 01:32:36.607
[SPEAKER_01]: This is the multi million dollar question that a lot of people are wondering.

01:32:37.067 --> 01:32:38.468
[SPEAKER_01]: Who's Johnson has last opponent?

01:32:39.109 --> 01:32:41.110
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, we've been trying to figure that one out.

01:32:42.651 --> 01:32:47.475
[SPEAKER_00]: It's, I mean, I thought it was maybe going to be Brock, but they said specifically it's not going to be Brock now.

01:32:48.856 --> 01:32:49.397
[SPEAKER_00]: I thought,

01:32:51.495 --> 01:33:00.381
[SPEAKER_00]: maybe Roman because that's the one that they've stayed away from so far is possibly Roman.

01:33:00.401 --> 01:33:13.429
[SPEAKER_00]: I had previously when when I thought about this about a month and a half ago, I thought, okay, who does WWE trust and who do they want to be their biggest star at this point?

01:33:14.339 --> 01:33:15.740
[SPEAKER_00]: And I thought it was going to be Seth.

01:33:15.840 --> 01:33:24.987
[SPEAKER_00]: Like I thought John Cena versus Seth was going to be the last the retirement match because they, they've wrestled, but they haven't really had that tremendous future.

01:33:25.007 --> 01:33:26.168
[SPEAKER_00]: So I thought that could be interesting.

01:33:26.468 --> 01:33:28.710
[SPEAKER_00]: But if they wanted to do business business,

01:33:29.665 --> 01:33:33.349
[SPEAKER_00]: It could be someone like Braun Breaker, but I don't think that they would go that route.

01:33:33.389 --> 01:33:37.893
[SPEAKER_00]: Like I think they would go to their tried and true formula of like big star versus big star.

01:33:37.913 --> 01:33:42.398
[SPEAKER_00]: So I will say Seth, but at the same time say, I have a really have no idea.

01:33:42.879 --> 01:33:43.940
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, I'm going to say Roman.

01:33:44.960 --> 01:33:55.168
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, so yeah, we're thinking kind of in the same way, but but him and Roman just wrestled like what two years ago when when he had it at first come back before this come back.

01:33:57.029 --> 01:34:02.774
[SPEAKER_01]: So that was he he he was one of Roman's bloodline victims, you know, I think they want us to forget.

01:34:03.401 --> 01:34:17.197
[SPEAKER_01]: that previous comeback because they didn't really take it that seriously and that was that a summer slam to that match that was at a summer slam so it doesn't it was a big a big show but I'm gonna go a Roman I think that would be a good a good conclusion.

01:34:18.961 --> 01:34:25.483
[SPEAKER_01]: You know what, you know what, it really needs to happen, because I would just subs that edge is not under, because edge was a great opponent for Cena.

01:34:25.543 --> 01:34:25.883
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh yeah.

01:34:26.123 --> 01:34:29.284
[SPEAKER_00]: And, no, they kind of wish that they were both gonna have this.

01:34:29.324 --> 01:34:31.545
[SPEAKER_01]: All right, I got a fantasy book for you.

01:34:31.585 --> 01:34:38.867
[SPEAKER_01]: What about if Paul calls Tony and he's like, let us have edge for one night and we give you a code for a night.

01:34:41.131 --> 01:34:42.272
[SPEAKER_01]: That would be fair, right?

01:34:42.532 --> 01:34:44.353
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, that would be incredible.

01:34:44.373 --> 01:34:46.214
[SPEAKER_01]: No, no, no, but, but then for then, T.K.

01:34:46.294 --> 01:34:50.957
[SPEAKER_01]: isn't it be like, okay, but, but you got to say that edges of that with the A, W superstar.

01:34:50.977 --> 01:34:53.098
[SPEAKER_00]: And then he's like, okay, you know who it's a, no.

01:34:54.059 --> 01:34:55.080
[SPEAKER_00]: Cody, Cody wouldn't do it.

01:34:56.821 --> 01:34:59.102
[SPEAKER_00]: That's Cody's got too much frustration.

01:34:59.142 --> 01:35:02.344
[SPEAKER_00]: For whatever reason that he won't tell us, he's got too much frustration, I think.

01:35:02.504 --> 01:35:05.366
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I'm sure, maybe I'm sure you'll come out one day, years from now.

01:35:05.386 --> 01:35:07.067
[SPEAKER_01]: You say he's right in a book.

01:35:08.373 --> 01:35:17.308
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, that's what I'm saying is if he's writing a book, that story has to be in their or else, it's a worthless book.

01:35:17.468 --> 01:35:18.810
[SPEAKER_01]: And it's a handshake agreement, right?

01:35:18.850 --> 01:35:20.172
[SPEAKER_01]: It's not an endier or nothing like that.

01:35:20.192 --> 01:35:21.254
[SPEAKER_01]: It's just a handshake agreement.

01:35:21.274 --> 01:35:22.216
[SPEAKER_00]: That's what they've been saying.

01:35:22.676 --> 01:35:22.917
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

01:35:23.563 --> 01:35:31.127
[SPEAKER_00]: All right, I got one last one for you, which is what do you think the Tony Khan announcement is for Dynamite?

01:35:31.167 --> 01:35:35.149
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, for the audio folks, this is going to be old news, but anyways, we'll just talk about it.

01:35:35.169 --> 01:35:36.209
[SPEAKER_01]: I think isn't right, though.

01:35:36.329 --> 01:35:38.951
[SPEAKER_01]: Probably the women's tag team title tournament, I think.

01:35:39.291 --> 01:35:47.295
[SPEAKER_00]: That was my first guess too, but here's what I wanted it to be, because I've been fantasy-booking this for a couple months now.

01:35:48.279 --> 01:36:13.547
[SPEAKER_00]: I want him to do the Shad Khan Cup, like the Crocod Cup, because they have so many damn tag teams right now, and they could also grab tag teams from New Japan, they could grab tag teams from CMLL, and they could, they themselves have so many tag teams, and they could do an amazing Crocod Cup style show that I think would be off the hook,

01:36:14.922 --> 01:36:17.645
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, they don't really invest in tag team wrestling that much.

01:36:17.685 --> 01:36:18.405
[SPEAKER_00]: It seems like that.

01:36:18.726 --> 01:36:22.569
[SPEAKER_01]: Which is weird because they got FTR was like big, you know, they have all those teams.

01:36:24.171 --> 01:36:30.296
[SPEAKER_01]: But then the only thing about that is that they can't put the her business in that tournament because they're going to want to do any jobs.

01:36:30.897 --> 01:36:36.903
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, they'd be the the one double dq for the entire year would be who whomever.

01:36:37.583 --> 01:36:40.565
[SPEAKER_00]: they and and and the hurt uh, the hurt business.

01:36:40.846 --> 01:36:42.387
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, the hurt person.

01:36:42.407 --> 01:36:42.667
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

01:36:42.707 --> 01:36:43.828
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

01:36:44.088 --> 01:36:44.528
[SPEAKER_01]: Uh, yeah.

01:36:44.568 --> 01:36:47.391
[SPEAKER_01]: They didn't want to the poor MVP out of the job in this one.

01:36:47.411 --> 01:36:48.872
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

01:36:48.932 --> 01:36:52.034
[SPEAKER_00]: And then he goes out there and she's talking shit about Triple H again.

01:36:52.394 --> 01:36:54.236
[SPEAKER_00]: No one asked him just kidding.

01:36:54.276 --> 01:36:54.596
[SPEAKER_01]: He doesn't.

01:36:54.636 --> 01:36:55.237
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

01:36:55.257 --> 01:36:55.797
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

01:36:55.817 --> 01:36:56.998
[SPEAKER_01]: He doesn't like the guy at all.

01:36:59.035 --> 01:36:59.596
[SPEAKER_00]: This is funny.

01:37:00.076 --> 01:37:02.076
[SPEAKER_00]: Women's hardcore championship.

01:37:02.136 --> 01:37:04.497
[SPEAKER_00]: They don't even really need to do a hardcore championship.

01:37:04.537 --> 01:37:08.098
[SPEAKER_00]: All their matches are hardcore matches anyways, but I could see it in that company.

01:37:08.138 --> 01:37:08.698
[SPEAKER_01]: I could see it.

01:37:08.898 --> 01:37:15.000
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, I could see the women's hardcore and then you know that one guy had the bug guys with the glasses like that during the day.

01:37:15.020 --> 01:37:15.180
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

01:37:15.200 --> 01:37:17.201
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but that we do you have 24 seven belt.

01:37:19.128 --> 01:37:20.809
[SPEAKER_01]: I think he did, and they got away with it.

01:37:20.849 --> 01:37:21.489
[SPEAKER_01]: I could've swore.

01:37:21.829 --> 01:37:22.870
[SPEAKER_01]: No, I was.

01:37:22.890 --> 01:37:24.111
[SPEAKER_01]: That green belt.

01:37:24.691 --> 01:37:26.652
[SPEAKER_01]: I feel like it would've made bigger news if it was.

01:37:26.732 --> 01:37:27.953
[SPEAKER_01]: I think I talked about it.

01:37:28.293 --> 01:37:31.655
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, because I saw the belt, and I didn't think that that's what it was.

01:37:32.467 --> 01:37:39.291
[SPEAKER_01]: because they had another sticker on it, but it looked like the same shape, but anyways, it part just me being a mark and stuff, I don't know.

01:37:39.671 --> 01:37:46.255
[SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, so yeah, no, I think there's gonna be the women's, because remember with Tony Conner, one of his patterns is that he always over a hypozy's turn.

01:37:46.596 --> 01:37:50.518
[SPEAKER_01]: I cannot remember the last time that one of his announcements lived up to the height.

01:37:50.718 --> 01:37:51.699
[SPEAKER_01]: They just never do.

01:37:52.279 --> 01:38:01.645
[SPEAKER_00]: So as well, some of the announcements are related to, like remember he did the first, no, it was the second.

01:38:02.492 --> 01:38:10.094
[SPEAKER_00]: Wimbly show like it was one of his special announcements and it was like, I don't know, like eight months before the show or something like that.

01:38:10.274 --> 01:38:10.634
[SPEAKER_00]: That's right.

01:38:10.674 --> 01:38:14.534
[SPEAKER_00]: The other the other one was the announcement of collision as a TV show.

01:38:14.555 --> 01:38:20.396
[SPEAKER_00]: I remember, but okay, so so if he's going to do this, I hope he does it this way, because this is my favorite way.

01:38:20.516 --> 01:38:23.496
[SPEAKER_00]: Today's been one of the greatest days in the history of AEW.

01:38:23.516 --> 01:38:26.637
[SPEAKER_00]: It's got to start his announcement by saying,

01:38:29.121 --> 01:38:55.047
[SPEAKER_01]: love as much as that I that doesn't come off it just he just when he turns he's just always smiling he almost blew the spot when he was trying to hug Martha hard in the last paper view because somehow somehow she was right next someone he lost her some of that's typical only call that's why we're so much but yeah so we'll see what happens there you know all right man that's pretty much it

01:38:55.562 --> 01:38:56.663
[SPEAKER_00]: That was fun.

01:38:56.683 --> 01:39:08.834
[SPEAKER_00]: I had a blast like always and I'm catching up a little bit because of Dave's new, as we said in the beginning, Dave's writing style is now every three weeks instead of every month.

01:39:10.055 --> 01:39:18.663
[SPEAKER_00]: I will when when we come back next time we'll probably be in the early fall and then but I'll catch up by the end of the year.

01:39:18.723 --> 01:39:19.845
[SPEAKER_00]: The sad thing is though.

01:39:20.505 --> 01:39:38.298
[SPEAKER_00]: is I'm going to guess because of how late Dave gets the issues out, I'm going to guess we won't have well, okay, we may have, I think the Starcade review will probably be in the end of December instead of because that was always like right around Thanksgiving time, right?

01:39:38.358 --> 01:39:38.898
[SPEAKER_00]: Starcade 84.

01:39:39.198 --> 01:39:40.219
[SPEAKER_01]: No, it was.

01:39:40.239 --> 01:39:42.481
[SPEAKER_01]: It was on Thanksgiving.

01:39:42.521 --> 01:39:45.263
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, okay, we will get it for some reason I was thinking

01:39:45.843 --> 01:39:51.586
[SPEAKER_00]: the WCW versions of StarCade, which we're in December, is this the Joe Fraser year?

01:39:51.606 --> 01:39:52.406
[SPEAKER_01]: I think it is, right?

01:39:52.426 --> 01:39:59.029
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I think this is Dusty and Rick with Joe and Tully and Magnum in the cage, right?

01:39:59.169 --> 01:40:00.050
[SPEAKER_00]: Or is that 85?

01:40:01.330 --> 01:40:01.790
[SPEAKER_01]: No, I say 84.

01:40:02.711 --> 01:40:03.471
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, okay.

01:40:03.551 --> 01:40:03.751
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

01:40:04.352 --> 01:40:04.992
[SPEAKER_00]: So, all right.

01:40:05.761 --> 01:40:06.682
[SPEAKER_00]: That is it from here.

01:40:06.702 --> 01:40:26.098
[SPEAKER_00]: I want to thank everybody for popping in, including those who came in a little bit after like Fernando who's always hanging out with us and Darren and of course, thanks to Jay Bobo for your super chat and the other folks who gave us Andreves gaming and awesome sauce as well.

01:40:26.679 --> 01:40:33.445
[SPEAKER_00]: Alright, for Draven, I am WG, we will see you when we see you peace out.