WWE Crown Jewel Perth: Jey Spears Roman! Bloodline Meltdown & Bronson's Huge Win | WWE Post Game Live

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[SPEAKER_02]: Hey everybody, it is our WWE post game live show after a crown jewel paper or PLE.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Keela, what time did you wake up to watch the show?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Probably at 7.30 a.m.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I wanted to skip all of the pre-show shenanigans.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Make sure my streaming app was working and I made the right decision.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, that was a good decision.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Though,

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[SPEAKER_02]: I am not surprised the surprise not the right comment here, but one of the what I've learned with this new ESPN service is.

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[SPEAKER_02]: They are padding these shows with actual commercials can, well, not even commercials, but commercial breaks.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And so I do wonder if the way to watch this in the future is to kind of leave yourself a load of padding so that, you know, even if you're 10 minutes behind, at least you don't have to sit through a three minute crash, about then maybe it's an excuse to go to the restroom, but all there's lots of excuses to go to the restroom on these shows, I think I was at.

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[SPEAKER_02]: three matches in.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Three matches done at the two hour mark.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So there's lots of, there's lots of padding that is non wrestling stuff on these shows.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You are a sports fan and is it wild to you that ESPN is where you get to watch your WWE yet?

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[SPEAKER_02]: Is it or is it still wild I guess I should say?

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's still very surreal because we made jokes about it for so many years that WWE won it that Disney money and it actually happened and it's weird watching ESPN sports centers specifically at night after midnight and they're doing entire recaps of Monday, Night Raw and SmackDown with horseovers for Michael Cole to recap the show then tell you all by the way.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Be sure to buy our show on that app that's now enhanced for our show on Saturday.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Lots of promotion is very, very odd to see WWE showcased almost every night on sports center after these post shows.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That is wild.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And when I'll tell you my history with the SPN, so you are not as old as I am.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So you would never have this experience, but

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[SPEAKER_02]: I can remember, gosh, I'm trying to think of like the exact year, it would have had to have been at least 83 or 84 when I would have started watching ESPN, early as have memories of ESPN.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And if you would have told me,

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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, when when I'm first getting into WWE that at one point I will be able to watch WWE or WWE at that time on the same channel that is, you know, running college hoops and Chris burn and like imagine Chris Burman.

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[SPEAKER_02]: in his heyday giving nicknames to all of these wrestlers like it would have been fantastic.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It would have been that would have been like crossed my worlds as a kid.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So like it would have been out of out of this world to do so.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But now it kind of fits.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I really think it fits in the culture of what ESPN is to have WWE there.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Like I can't even remember

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[SPEAKER_02]: I want to say was the attitude era, where they did a commercial, those old sports center commercial, I think they did one with Austin, where just like Dan Patrick, like Crackenham in the back with the chair or something.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And that even then, that was kind of mind boggling.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So to see them as partners now, it makes a whole lot of sense because I think the content actually crosses over very well

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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, ESPN, it's entertainment and sports.

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[SPEAKER_02]: That's in the name originally in the name of ESPN entertainment was first.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So I, you know, they fit very well.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And so yeah, I hope that they can be a little bit of a driver for this unlimited app.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I think the app is great, by the way.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I got to watch a lot of the WNBA.

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[SPEAKER_02]: playoffs through the app and, you know, they have like these little things.

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[SPEAKER_02]: If you watch it, like you can watch it, you can watch it on your whatever your Apple TV and then you can watch the app there and they have some nice little features that you can pull up.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And then you can bust out your iPad at the same time and it kind of keeps a running clock of substitutions, the stuff so you have this like nice little companion.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't think they're doing anything with wrestling at this point yet, but in the future I could see some interesting stuff.

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[SPEAKER_02]: you know, if you wanted to get like a running chat or running dialogue or someone live blogging things as they happen on the second screen, I could see them utilizing that.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But so the reason why I brought that up is because

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[SPEAKER_02]: Russell Poulouza happened and there were some very interesting things on that show on paper that I thought, man, this is really the perfect first ESPN show because you have Brock Lesnar, who's got that.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You have a secret crossover, you have the Return of AJ Lee, you have C. I'm punk, one of your best biggest stars Seth Rollins, Becky Lynch, giant stars, Cody Rhodes,

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[SPEAKER_02]: John Cena obviously and then the actual show happened and I was really disappointed because the pomp and circumstance that WWE really stands for That show was flat when it came to a lot of that stuff.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It was just kind of like a bunch of matches.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And so I thought, okay, now we've got the second show.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I've talked on a couple of different shows that I thought that they really needed to have a better show with Crown Jewel.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And I think they did, like I think we both agree that this show was better than Russell Paluso.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But at the same time, I'm waiting for that thing to happen at the end of this show so that

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[SPEAKER_02]: Come Monday.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm like, oh, man, I got a maybe I actually have to watch raw live.

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[SPEAKER_02]: No, nothing happened.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm good.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I can watch raw on my normal, you know, 12 hour delay or whatever.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I think that's still missing from this product, this PLE product.

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[SPEAKER_02]: not that every PLE has to be WrestleMania with the culmination of things and the news coming out of it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But I do think you need one nice hook, whether it's a surprise, whether it's a storyline, whether it's a cliffhanger to set up the next week because you're telling people that these shows are special.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And then what ESPN has delivered so far, two shows in a row, I was like, oh,

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[SPEAKER_02]: It's kind of reminds me of what they were doing on peacock and it was a lot cheaper on peacock.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So I really hope that they kind of dig their heels in with this opportunity.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Because ESPN is ESPN, you know, I think actually think they have less viewers on ESPN right now because of what Kelen I were talking about a off air, which is that she still doesn't have access to her exfinity login through through the apps, so she's actually got to pay physically pay 30 bucks a month.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And if you're paying 30 bucks a month for these shows, I don't, they're kind of like $10 shows, right?

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[SPEAKER_02]: So far.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They are.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I was paying nothing for peacock because I was a platinum user of infinity.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I was getting free content from WWE and now I'm paying more money that I have since the creation of the WWE network what 11 years ago and now that's pretty much gone.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So you're asking fans to spend a lot of money to watch your shows and you have to deliver

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[SPEAKER_00]: really good shows that would give me more incentive to pay $30 every month.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Thankfully, with ESPN app and all of the sports that's attached to it, I will get my money's worth, but if I'm buying specifically for a WWE, at least once a month, I really want a good show that makes me want to continue to spend the money until they make a deal with Xfinity.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And the reason why I brought up that you are sports fan when we start talking about this because is because of that now we know a lot of wrestling fans and wrestling fans are different in their likes and dislikes about other entertainment.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And I'm not sure there are as many sports fans who also or I should say many wrestling fans who like sports as much as you and I do, so maybe they're not necessarily seeing the ESPN unlimited service for all of its value because they're mostly watching it for WWE and if that is the case, then yeah, I do not think these first two shows have been worth your 30 bucks for those of you who are.

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[SPEAKER_02]: WWE fans seemingly still, they're still buying the tickets, the tickets are more expensive than ever.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You have to have a subscription to Netflix, which is almost as much as the 30 bucks that I'm paying, but at least there's other stuff, you know, my wife and I are watching shout out to Love's Blind, we're on episode three for anyone who's who's Love's Blind

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[SPEAKER_02]: And then also, you know, like you've said, peacock, some people do get it free, ingested into their cable, and then you have, you need to smack down for cable and, you know, broadcast the event XTF, if you are an XTF fan.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So those are a lot of buckets that you have to have subscriptions for or pay money to see all of this product.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And if ESPN's PLEs are the typical tipi-tipi top of the WWE content business,

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[SPEAKER_02]: These shows need to be a little bit more than they've been these first two so that is kind of my thesis as we go through crown jewel here.

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[SPEAKER_02]: By the way, shout out to your Atlanta dream pretty pretty darn good season fall fell short shout out to Alicia Gray, but in pretty griner, but pretty good season I would say for for your dream.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, we really had a good season.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I am very sad and how it ended.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Heart-breaking fashion to the fever.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It was a tough loss.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I need all games for the WNBA to be seven.

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[SPEAKER_00]: This is very unfair.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think we need more games.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Now, unless you're the ACEs who won like their third championship in four years, you love seven games now, because you get to sweet quickly and go home and chill.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So, give me all seven games for all four rounds.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm good with that.

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[SPEAKER_02]: If we expand the field moving forward, yeah, the Valkyries in that first round to the to Minnesota who unfortunately and don't worry, this will not turn into WNBA podcast.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Unfortunately, for the Valkyries, you know, they were kind of ready to win game two and.

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[SPEAKER_02]: the links were like, no, we're not letting the newbies win.

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[SPEAKER_02]: We're going to come back and take it from me.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But yeah, the the whole experience, the season was fantastic.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I wish, you know, I do wish the finals was a little bit more competitive.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Two of those games were awesome, by the way.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But then Satu Sabili gets the concussion and, you know, they have some tough, tough sledding in game four and just

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[SPEAKER_02]: Ace's man, Asia Wilson, she's she's now I'm starting to hear goat conversations about it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: She is the greatest of all time.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I will say that 29 years old, the resume speaks for itself.

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[SPEAKER_00]: She can retire tomorrow and she's a hall of favor automatically.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Absolutely.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And then you see the power couple with her

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[SPEAKER_02]: Not not not to put any pressure on them to have any kids because they still she needs to put up some you know she's putting up her numbers to to put on that mantle for that hall of fame but whenever if they do if they eventually do.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm, I'm Biden stocking in that kid as a hooper for sure.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Listen, number one draft pick in the year 25.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Easily.

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[SPEAKER_02]: All right.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Let's get in the show shout out to Fernando by the way, who is hanging out with us as as he is often, which we appreciate so much.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So Kila also, I just want to mention that you and Scott are doing the rap.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Live on YouTube started a couple of weeks ago.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Tuesday evening, you and Scott are live after NXT and, you know, not saying that not putting you on the spot here to say that it's going to happen every week here on out forever and ever and ever, but this is a nice opportunity for you guys to do the live show and get folks like Fernando hanging out.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So so far so good and we'll keep that going.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So if folks enjoy

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[SPEAKER_02]: our WWE expert here in Salty Scott.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Check them out Tuesday.

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[SPEAKER_02]: We're putting up the stream sometime Tuesday afternoon and they're going live after NXT and then we're also putting up the podcast after that.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So just folks who are wanting more content our WWE show the rap is now live streaming on YouTube.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I usually don't like going in order on shows like this.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I like to kind of like, what are the takeaways, what are the main takeaways on these shows?

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[SPEAKER_02]: And really, because of how these five, these five match WWE PLEs go,

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[SPEAKER_02]: In the WWE ecosystem, all of them are sort of important, but at the same time, like I mentioned at the top, there wasn't a lot of like surprises or news or anything where we're like, lead story on this show is X. So we're just going to go through the matches in order.

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[SPEAKER_02]: We'll do what we thought was the best and worst match.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And then at the end, I want to save winners

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[SPEAKER_02]: So the opener was one bronze and read against Roman reigns in an Australian street fight and lo and behold, I know a lot of people had wanted it to happen, but I don't know if people necessarily thought they were going to pull the trigger here.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Broughts and read got the dub.

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[SPEAKER_02]: This was like more of a sort of like a raw angle like just an extended version of something that would happen on raw to me.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And the match was fine.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't like the Australian rule the Australian Street fight.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I didn't like that part of it because I think the strength in both Roman and Bronson is that they could tell a really great story inside the ring.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Now, in order to get to the finish of what they wanted to do, which we'll talk about in a second, maybe it does have to break down.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You could have done a ref bump in a normal match to get where they got in the end, but

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[SPEAKER_02]: Ultimately, the match was not as good to me as their previous match, but really what this story was was about the outcome.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It was about Bronson getting one over on Roman and how they did it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And it leads me to this question, Kila.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Like what inning are we in with the bloodline?

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[SPEAKER_00]: I thought the game was over.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Last year, we had nine innings that went five years.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then they said, let's go for a whole, another series.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And now I'm gonna say this very boatly.

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[SPEAKER_00]: This is now longer than the Bible.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It is longer than the Bible has more chapters than every chapter written in the Bible.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We are now in the book of revelations, the never-ending chapter of the bloodline.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, Fernando has a great stat here, and I'm going to guess that it's true, though, I, you know, I'm not thinking in the right headspace to figure this one out.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But Fernando says Bronson read is the only person to pin Roman Reigns and Kazuchko Okada.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I wonder if that is true.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Did they just styles over pin Roman?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh my god, I don't think he has.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Interesting.

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[SPEAKER_02]: That is a great.

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[SPEAKER_02]: That is a great note there for now.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm sure if we are wrong, somebody will tell us, but yeah, that is an awesome, awesome trivia question.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, so here's how we got to the finish.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Lots of stuff outside of the ring.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Roman goes for the running super punch outside and who hops the vericade, none other than brown breaker, spears Roman reign.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So now he is involved.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Of course, which brings out the usos, full on entrance and music and everything to signal them coming out, they come out, they they rush the ring and now it is it is it is weird in this this has happened a few different times.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Advantage baby faces three on two like what's going on here.

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[SPEAKER_02]: We had, we had Roman, we had the Usos, and we had Bronson against Bronson and Bron, and the heels overcame the odds here to win this match.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Now, how it happened is they set up a table, and Jay went to spear, who did he spear, remind me who he tried to spear, because he actually speared Roman,

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[SPEAKER_02]: through the table, which led to the the tsunami and the pin for Bronson read.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think you tried to go for Bronson and missed.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So there you go.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And now, the heat is on, well, it is on the heels winning.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And you know what, what I really like about this Bronson

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[SPEAKER_02]: is when it was originally put together and you're thinking about Bronson read really with Seth and and Bron Breaker is Bronson read here, you know, kind of as the third wheel, they don't care, you know, they don't care about him as much as the other two, but it's actually, he is kind of like,

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[SPEAKER_02]: Brown breakers equal in this group.

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[SPEAKER_02]: If you're looking at wins and losses and who takes pins and who's strong.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I think they've done a great job with Bronson Raid.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So good job by him.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And then you had just this drama with Roman with Jay and Jimmy and this was a nice little WWE trick.

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[SPEAKER_02]: They turned up.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know if they turned it up or or or they just told these dudes to speak louder, but after Roman eats the pin, you can actually hear he hear him verbally arguing with the twins and saying, I told you guys not to come out.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I told you guys not to come out and Jay's getting upset and Jimmy's just kind of Jimmy's just Jimmy.

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[SPEAKER_02]: He just kind of has this physical look on his face all the time that that's like the Jimmy face right now is just he's got the look.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Jay's getting pissed, Romans pissed, Roman walks to the back, and that is how our bloodline story ends for this evening.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Now, I'm guessing we'll get something on raw, but what is your, what are your thoughts on the finish of the match, and then also this now extended bloodline?

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[SPEAKER_02]: Is this going to,

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[SPEAKER_02]: work do you think because I sense that Triple H probably feels like they need another long term storyline to kind of bring viewership in.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm sure he sees the house shows.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, the TV shows are a little lighter when it comes to attendance.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Now, there's still great.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But, you know, when you start to see

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[SPEAKER_02]: the the attendance getting a little bit less sometimes that could lead to a much quicker downfall when it comes to attendance, but it feels to me like he believes like okay we need another hook to this to the show and it looks like let's just do it over again with the bloodline.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I feel that way as well.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Very reminiscent of what we got maybe two or three years ago, but this is a more nuanced and mature Roman reigns because of this was five years ago.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He would have gone ballistic on both Jimmy and Jay.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He was very calm.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He basically said, people believe I can't do this issue on

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[SPEAKER_00]: my own.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I asked you not to come out here.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I want to actually work for this urinate and then the funniest line.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm so glad the mic's turned up when he said, I love you.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I love you.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't want to see either of you until Christmas.

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[SPEAKER_00]: not even Thanksgiving, everyone said not even Thanksgiving.

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[SPEAKER_00]: No, we're going to skip Thanksgiving.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Our children will not be trick-a-treating together.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I will see your asses on Christmas and he left.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I loved it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I have missed the Roman monologues.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I really have and that was a cherry on top.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Well, he's, you know, he is so important to this product.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And I know he's got his naysayers because they don't like the monologues that you said or the slowness the at long entrances and the the long slow storytelling matches, but if you understand the history of the Roman Reigns character, this version of the character is the best version when it comes to his star power when it comes to what he means to business and and all of that.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm, you know, in on that end, I'm happy that we are getting some somewhat another kind of, you could, because that's kind of what you, if you think about it, when you have Jay ascending, Jay becomes the world champion at WrestleMania, and now this story between Jay and Jimmy is that enrollment even said this on television like,

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[SPEAKER_02]: Because he won that world title, he and I are more like than than you two and that that was a shot at Jimmy is like, you're just not on our level.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So you don't understand how to deal with with this stuff.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So I thought that was interesting.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But, but we didn't Jimmy though, get mad or buck up or something.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And he said, he just yell at somebody.

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[SPEAKER_02]: He's completely getting dismissed

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's very passive and that's very surprising to me and he asked to blow his lid at some point because your brother is dragging you into this mess and this is actually not your fault Jimmy this was your brother's fault tonight he's spirit Roman through the table and he causes cousin the match and now you got he too.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I would have went off on Jay for scarring things up.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We might get that Monday, but I feel like we do need that big gym moment to say I have seen this song a dance before I know how this story is going to end, but I do love how you set it up with Roman and Jay basically being equals, but Roman saying hey,

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[SPEAKER_00]: On Monday, who's opening up the second hour?

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's not you.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So like at least with me, I'm opening shows.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I closed shows.

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[SPEAKER_00]: What are you doing?

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[SPEAKER_02]: for Fernando called the Jimmy Tito, not that Tito, not that Tito.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, man, that's good one.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So, yeah.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So, you know, if there was one thing on this show where I was like, okay, like, at least, I want to, I'm going to look forward to the next part of this story.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm hopefully on Raw.

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[SPEAKER_02]: in raw is not in Australia again, right?

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[SPEAKER_02]: It is.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh my gosh, that's another early one.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, and ironically, I might be able to watch the first 30 minutes before I have to go to work and watch the rest when I get home.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So at least I'll get like the first 40 minutes and possibly maybe.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and hopefully they'll open with something about this angle, which would be, which would be nice.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But yeah, I didn't even think about it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I am, I mean, I'm going to work from home one Monday, so I could throw it on in the background if I

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[SPEAKER_02]: All right, so then we got the first of the two crown jewel championship matches, Stephanie of a care against Tiffany Stratton, I was very intrigued in who was going to win this match because and we'll get to the Seth and Cody match last, that was the main event.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But I think most of us assumed that Seth Rollins was going to win that match, so then it made you wonder.

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[SPEAKER_02]: are both of the winners going to be raw folks or are both of the winners or are they going to split it and have one smack down.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And if they did, then one Tiffany Stratton would be the one who would take this match.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And that is not what happened.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Stephanie of a care beat Tiffany.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I thought this was a nice match.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I was a little worried about their chemistry, just because of late.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I think Tiffany said some rough rough moments in certain matches, but, you know, not the easiest people to necessarily work with.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And now you have somebody who you don't really work with often, I thought they did a pretty good job, but I also thought,

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[SPEAKER_02]: man in like two years they're going to have a match that's twice as good because this thing didn't even really get out of like third gear.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't even know if it got the third gear actually.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It was nice moves.

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[SPEAKER_02]: These women are very athletic.

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[SPEAKER_02]: They're

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[SPEAKER_02]: Kind of like I think there was a concern and I understand the concern is like let's make sure we're on the same page as much as possible so that we don't botch anything or so that we're not, you know, we're not like in the wrong place in certain moments because.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Sometimes with these matches that that is what gets going on viral is like oh look at how bad these women are so it seemed like there was a focus to let's make sure that we get through this thing clean but at the same time.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I didn't see really a lot of energy from either of the two, not a lot of emotion, not a lot of like, oh my gosh, like I need to win this thing because, you know, I want to be the best or I want to be the best of the champions.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It was just kind of a match and I was like, okay, like it was solid.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It was fine.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I didn't think there's anything wrong with it at all, but I didn't see that passion, you know.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, we have Seth Rollins,

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[SPEAKER_02]: almost thinking that he's a failure because he can't beat Cody like that's how interested he is in winning this match and on this side it's like oh yeah we're just going to have a match so I thought it was lacking that and thus I my thought coming out of this was I I want to see them wrestle again and I want to see the stakes a little bit higher because I bet you we get a better match.

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[SPEAKER_00]: agreed.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I felt like it was a very structured match.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And they went out there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They did what they were supposed to do.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It was good for what it was, but the thing that was lacking, which is they catch 22 with crowned rule matches is that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Unless it's Seth and Cody, what was the story for Tiffany and Stephanie?

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[SPEAKER_00]: The story was, we're champions, let's fight for this really pretty championship and see who's the best and then we'll table it until next year.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's basically what this was.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It was a well-rustled match.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I just see the chemistry between the two of them, which is very nice to see.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I just wish they gave them more time because I felt like there was more to do, there was more to see.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe there was a fear if we went too long, things monogot messed up, but you have to let them kind of work and cook.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Stephanie's a veteran out there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: She knows she's doing Tiffany when given the opportunity with good opponents.

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[SPEAKER_00]: She can rise to the occasion.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Let her do that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Raise the stakes of making me feel as if this is the most important match

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[SPEAKER_00]: if you're fighting for this championship that means so much for a full calendar year make me care, but due to circumstances, Stephanie was championed for three weeks, tips been championed for 200 days.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Her reign is in pretty unremarkable for the most part, and when you have that combination, that emotion of detachment is natural.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And the only reason I am is because triple H likes to say things like, well, if the women want to have another pay review, then they have to prove that, you know, that they need to make the fans want it or whatever, right?

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[SPEAKER_02]: And yet, when it comes to some of the storylines for the men's and the women's matches, if you compare them as equal, when it comes to thought, when it comes to creating obstacles, when it comes to creating conflict, at times, it is clear that the men's programs get a lot more thought put into them than the women's programs.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Now,

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[SPEAKER_02]: from a business perspective, if you have a CM Punk, you have a John Cena, a Roman Reigns.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You're thinking, well, here's our superstars.

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[SPEAKER_02]: This is our money.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Of course, we're going to invest more in stories for these guys.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But at the same time, if you're ahead of creative, in Vince McMahon, I'll always say this, the one thing we have over UFC is we book the finishes.

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[SPEAKER_02]: the idea and they've done a great job with rea ripply, by the way, Becky Lynch, depending on the situation, you can actually raise the level of these women by putting them.

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[SPEAKER_02]: in better storylines by creating opportunities for them, by putting them higher on the card than second.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And a lot of times, he just chooses not to do that.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Now, I'm not saying his job is easy, by the way, creative.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Like he's they only had five matches for this show.

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[SPEAKER_02]: They probably have enough talent to have eight or nine on every single one of these shows.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But at the same time,

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[SPEAKER_02]: or anything, but I would like to challenge fans, I guess, I should say, to expect more from WWE when it comes to booking some of these women, because if you want to compare and earn trust, Seth and Cody men a whole hell of a lot, and Stephanie and Tiffany did not.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So that would be my comparison there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And it's facts, 100%, you can pair the main event to this match.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's night and day in terms of what the story was.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There was no story here.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It was a where Russell match, but emotionally I was out of it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Very happy for Stephanie.

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[SPEAKER_00]: She's out of great year.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think that she deserved the W and Tiffany.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I will say this.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The sooner Bianca Bellaire comes back the better.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that was what I was saying was somebody was saying,

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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, the argument about Tiffany Stratton, it's out there about whether she's good or not.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And I like Luke, she's a really, really good athlete.

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[SPEAKER_02]: She's still very young in this business.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But I said, her year is much different.

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[SPEAKER_02]: If Bianca Belair does not get hurt, and it's up to WWE to have somebody ready to be.

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[SPEAKER_02]: at that level to take that spot.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And they have not yet.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, you have Julia who you brought in and onto this this main roster.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And she is, I mean, that title, like we thought, okay, when Chelsea Green has this US championship, not that it's a joke belt, but

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[SPEAKER_02]: She's there for entertainment.

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[SPEAKER_02]: She's there for funny TV content.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And then when you have that belt on Julia, who's an excellent wrestler, it's like, okay, let's elevate the title.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And it's not done anything with it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It's actually, it's debint-de-elevated in a sense, because at least Chelsea Green gets an interview time.

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[SPEAKER_02]: At least she gets put in matches, because she's got this fantastic personality.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You put the belt on

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[SPEAKER_02]: the really, really strong wrestler and it's kind of been de-evaluated or de-e-e-value, so that's an interesting thing to look at as to, you know, some of the reasons why maybe people fill the bit of ease a little bit colder than the business would say right now, but okay, let's move on to our third match and I don't remember when this happened, but there was an interview or there was a segment with Bronson and Bron and they were

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[SPEAKER_02]: kind of, you know, congratulating each other and Paul Hayman came in and said something to the effect of like, yeah, you know, when we get back to the US, we'll have a celebration or whatever.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm guessing that might be for the next TV in the US.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And then he said something to the effect of like, you know, unless Seth calls us down like, you know, we're staying out of this or something like that.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And so, you know, I've been watching wrestling since

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[SPEAKER_02]: I was like, oh, that means they're going to interfere.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And they absolutely 100% did not interfere in this match, okay.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Match number three, John Cena, AJ Styles, turned back to clock to 2015, 2016 whenever it was that AJ came into WWE.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I thought, man, if you wanted to tell people that wrestling was fake, this was the match to do it because these guys exposed everybody's finisher in this match to where John

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[SPEAKER_02]: And then kick out and then AJ would do somebody's finisher kick out.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And I'm like, man, I could just see if Stone Cold Steve Austin was watching this match.

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[SPEAKER_02]: He was he would probably think you guys better not hit a stunner here.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Like if you guys hit a stunner, better be the three count here.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Because you guys are kicking out everybody's finisher.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You know what this match would have been like a house show?

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[SPEAKER_02]: where it's you're just doing it for the fans and and you're you doing all this goofy stuff that but at the same time you know if we're talking about the reception of the match from fans like I you know it was that throwback match it was that owed to my WWE fandom of yesterday and I saw pretty much universal acclaim as far as how much fun people had watching this match.

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[SPEAKER_02]: What were your thoughts on it?

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[SPEAKER_00]: I loved it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It was ridiculous, but I loved it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I smiled, got a little misty at points.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Shout out to the Aussie fans because WWE shop made so much money in one day.

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[SPEAKER_00]: because they bought every John Cena shirt.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That was the first thing that's about to me, the shirts.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And when Cena saw the shirts, even he couldn't believe, oh my God, the money I have made tonight is incredible.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, it was truly a sight to see, then the match itself is like Cena and Styles, they're pushing 50.

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[SPEAKER_00]: they're in the twilight of their career and they just went out there and they just spammed every finished or known to mankind and I loved it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The sister Abigail I thought was amazing.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I wasn't the best one.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I thought that was the best.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, the best girl back.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The best row back hit it clean, the fireflies came out of his beautiful.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The funniest part was when the fans chanted six one nine and seen us as, you know what?

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to go for it and as he says, no, I laughed.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like I love like the improv of like we're going to do everything we can.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And this match and what's great about it is seen as still has at least 20 more finishers to go through.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, three now and his last match.

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[SPEAKER_02]: When he did the first one, which was the mizzes move, the skull crushing finale, I thought, ah, he's just trolling Mike, because you know Mike wants a match with John and John's just like trolling him.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And then he went to everybody else's is finished here as well.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Though Michael Cole was on his game, except for one of these two of these moves, actually.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So Michael Cole was calling all these things just out of his he would call it by like, oh, he's got a, a Boston Cr...no, it is the walls of Jared like he was doing that thing.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And then I think it did AJ do a dead eye.

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[SPEAKER_02]: He did hang me and then and then he did not call that move.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I forgot what he

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[SPEAKER_02]: And then there was a vertebraker that AJ did.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I wrote it down somewhere.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I forgot what I forgot what he called it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But I'll find it because I wrote the little note in our chat on the discord.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But he called it a move and I was like, well, that's just kind of what you have to call the move from now on is, gosh, I had it somewhere.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I can't find it anyways.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, he calls this move something.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And I was like, yep, that's the Michael Cole that I remember.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It was like the Vince's version of the What a Manuver kind of thing.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But like he was in his bag because he's like, I've called all of these moves over the last, you know, how many every years.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So this is fantastic.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I love it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And so, you know, it was, it was a very nice throwback match.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Sorry, it was, it wasn't during the, it was during the main event.

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[SPEAKER_02]: where I think Cody hit the vertebraker.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, and he called it

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[SPEAKER_02]: He just said, goodness, that's all he said.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And then Wade Barron had to actually call it what it was, which is the vertebraic or so.

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[SPEAKER_02]: From now on, anyone hits the vertebraic, I think they should just call it the goodness.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But yeah, so total fan service, and I do get that side of wrestling.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, my favorite moment of last year in wrestling was the sting retirement, which was complete fan service,

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[SPEAKER_02]: to finish the story.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So much fan service in that.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And so the fan service can work, you know, I think some people might think that this was a little bit over the top and a little silly, but based on the reaction, the live crowd liked it, based on what I've seen from other people, they liked it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: my old school sort of mentalities.

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[SPEAKER_02]: This is kind of like, oh, this is not the right thing.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Maybe it's not, but maybe today, maybe that is exactly what the right thing for this match was.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So I thought it was ultimately really well done and look, man.

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[SPEAKER_02]: John Cena's got two matches left.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And we can actually talk about one of them, which was in the Wrestling Observer Newsletter.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And I asked Dave about this on Friday,

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[SPEAKER_02]: John Cena vs. Dom Mysterio.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Are you into this?

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[SPEAKER_00]: I am.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I am.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think people want it this match because Dirty Dom is a great heal.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And this is a championship that John Cena has another one in his WWE career.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You go to San Diego, you go out there, pet co-park, and you have a match.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Will it be good?

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think it will be John Cena as a baby face.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Thank God he turned because he's been unleashed.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There is still a good wrestler in there somewhere.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's older, he's slower, but he still hasn't mechanics down of telling a great story in the ring.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And Dirty Dom is a tremendous heal.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I think that'll be a pretty fun match.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We'll see you in a win.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You never know.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, you have to put over someone at the end of the run and DC for Saturday night's main event, who would that be?

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[SPEAKER_00]: We heard rumors of possibly our tournament taking place in the winter getting seen at the end of it could be gum through.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You never know, but I'm all for it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think if you're going to you, seeing up in this way, you get over dirty DOM if he chooses to put them over and then you have your last match.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then that's that on that.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I think I would actually have seen a beat him.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And maybe you maybe you just make it a non-title who knows, like if you want to do that, that's that making it a non-title is actually telling fans how it's going to end, but I think it would be great for dumb.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And even if he loses the title, and I would have his pops actually.

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[SPEAKER_02]: help John out and and you know to have judgment, you know, judgment day comes out and then, you know, Ray comes out and then stops them and then, you know, and then John beats dumb.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I think that would be fantastic, because he's still got the mega title, right?

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[SPEAKER_02]: He does.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So he would still have a championship and then, you know,

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[SPEAKER_02]: Whatever they would want to do with the Intercontinental Championship after they could do it put it do another tournament or whatever and and figure out who they want to put that on, but I think that would be tremendous because Dom like I would I wish I had the premonition to know

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[SPEAKER_02]: He has the talent to be a top guy, a top star.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But something tells me that

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[SPEAKER_02]: He may not be like a triple H guy necessarily.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know.

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[SPEAKER_02]: There's something that that would stop me from saying he could be you know, a future top star in WWE.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But at the same time, I just love his personality.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And I was at one of those first draws where he started getting all those crazy booze.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And I was close enough because we had those ringer seats to where I saw him.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And he's about to speak and those booze are coming out.

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[SPEAKER_02]: and he kind of goes like it was like one of those oh shit moments he's like oh my gosh like what did I do to get all these booze and it's like just let it happen and he just let it happen and he kept he kept it going so shout out to Dom but I do I would I do wonder what what how high they think he could actually go there

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think if they just trust him, he's on the precipice of something.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And the fans feel it too.

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[SPEAKER_00]: If they just uncuff him, yeah, made that plan because he was about that life, got locked up 15 minutes.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But if they just uncuff him and just let him be the guy, I do think he can be one of their top stars period in WWE in the next five years.

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[SPEAKER_00]: really, really want it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I know they're like kind of tuggling between should it be a baby face?

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think there is a lot of equity and money in him being a baby face when the time is right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But I don't want them to think he can't be that guy because if you let him lose, I absolutely believe he can be and the people believe in it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: When he had that moment of russomania, people said no, we didn't bloom because he sucked.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We blew them because he's great at his job.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And we appreciate what he's done to get to this point.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's worked his ass off from where he was five years ago as will baby chunky dom against.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's Rollins to where he is now, mustache, mullet, double champion, the growth is real.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I hope he's awarded for it with a big push in this company in five years.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, his pops has to be like over the moon proud.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Absolutely.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It was a gamble that paid off.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He said, start here.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We can like for go NXT and it's paid off.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I know the Ray really saw something in his son and it is paid off.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He should be very, very proud of his boy because he's, I think, exceeded expectations.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And you know, we could go back to the beginning of AEW.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Ray Mysterios kind of on the outs with WWE.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And he's a free agent.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And he's got to make this decision, he knows his kid wants the Russell, and I'm sure that was part of the decision to go back to WWE and that was the right decision.

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[SPEAKER_02]: because it wasn't really about Ray, Ray's going to get his money because he's a star, but it was really about, okay, my son is on the come up and where do I want him?

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[SPEAKER_02]: Where can I keep an eye on him?

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[SPEAKER_02]: Where do I trust him?

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[SPEAKER_02]: And AEW didn't have anything yet.

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[SPEAKER_02]: They didn't have Cody had his, I don't even know if Cody had his school yet, but

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[SPEAKER_02]: That is a fun kind of looking back decision for Ray Mysterio, the right one, absolutely 100% because Dom is Dom's on fire and I can't wait to see how they get to Cena and Dom.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And I'll say this, this is what is scheduled right now.

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[SPEAKER_02]: They can always change their mind, but as of right now in San Diego, it makes a whole lot of sense to me.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It does for me as well.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I just think about Dom has been a presence in WWE for over 20 years.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That little kid was a good actor at 10 years old.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yep.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, truly, he just was meant to be in this business.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He can just do anything, even playing a playstation back in the day.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We're sure on Monday and I roll up, laying.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, just the guys, just the best I love them.

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[SPEAKER_02]: All right, my favorite current storyline right now, rea Ripley and Eosky against the Kabuki warriors, I've heard some criticism with the overacting of one, EO and one, Kairi Sane.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And I've tried to explain to people, if you watch a novella, if you watch a Korean drama,

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[SPEAKER_02]: People can exclaim their feelings differently than what you would see on a, you know, a soap opera, like I was fine with EO being so over the top,

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, it was overacting, a hundred percent, but I enjoyed it because it was so different from the normal way that that story would be told with a Bailey, you know, with a previous Sasha Banks like there's different ways to do it and I liked the way that they did it here and I've just loved the storyline, you know, re as a superstar.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And Asuka is one of the best heels on their roster.

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[SPEAKER_02]: She is so great in the ring, in her promos, in bullying, Kyrie, like she's fantastic.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And so you had this great thing, and this was the match I was looking most forward to on this show.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It was a semi-main event, obviously, homecoming for Ria.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And while I don't think this was a five-star classic,

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[SPEAKER_02]: I thought this was a really good match.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I thought this was a really smart match.

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[SPEAKER_02]: They opened it with old school tag team wrestling with EO not being able to tag out to Rhea.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Now when she finally does and they had the little one-on-one with her and Oscar Slap and her right in the face and EO's take in the shot and take in a step back and then firing back up.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And they didn't slap in the face again.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And I thought I was like, man, they might be overdoing this, because I think they may ruin the hot tag.

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[SPEAKER_02]: they got the hot tag and re-a-ran wild so far so good I wonder where they can go from here because now the Kubuki warriors have lost so I'm assuming they're going to get their heat back in some way because I still want to see this for some together in some way shape or form.

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[SPEAKER_02]: What were your thoughts on on this match and also talk about your what you think about the story line so far.

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[SPEAKER_00]: my favorite story in WWE right now, who is saying that Kyrie's overacting?

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[SPEAKER_00]: That is outrageous.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think she's been fantastic.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Her facial expressions, her emotions on point EO is just adorable.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Listen, is it always

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[SPEAKER_00]: acting absolutely, but I watch soaps all of my life.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It is the theater of overacting.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You're supposed to be overly dramatic and emotional.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They've done a great job via the story and ask up my God, best heal in WWE right now, just killing it, the mannerisms, the swag, the in-ring

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[SPEAKER_00]: and Rhea obviously is great as always and this match is really good.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It was 95 star classic.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It was a solid four star match, great story telling old school heat, winning for the baby face tag from EO and the fact that Rhea Ripley is the home town hero.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And she suited the ring to EO to get the W. I thought that was a nice touch.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I can see them running this match back and of course the money will be in EO versus

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[SPEAKER_00]: So virus series war games, I do sense that coming.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I did see the rumor teams for both maybe faces in the heels.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Let's do that and for the six year in a row, let's get EO and a trash can together and she's got something very, very high.

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[SPEAKER_02]: By the way, what do you think of the rumor that Lash legend is right now at this point scheduled to be in that match.

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[SPEAKER_00]: her and I Ajax have heat.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So what are the teaming in this match?

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[SPEAKER_00]: If this is going to happen, but great spot for Lash if that's the case that says there is faith in her to make that leap to the main roster.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, I agree.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, then we get to the main event.

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[SPEAKER_02]: The drama that is Seth, I mean, you want to talk about some overacting here.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Seth, Seth is not subtle at anything, right?

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[SPEAKER_02]: And this was this was very much a Seth at Crossroads kind of match.

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[SPEAKER_02]: We've seen this kind of match with him before he's obsessed with winning and he cannot take losing and every expression possible that he has you're going to see it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And he's really good at doing this.

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[SPEAKER_02]: He's really, he's an excellent WWE character.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But at the same time, I can understand the other side saying that he over does it, and there's so much drama, and it's always this kind of scent, this one note with Seth as a heel.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, you know, I could see it might be getting a little tired from that perspective.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm of the opinion that he's excellent at it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: They're still the CM Punk thing and he has to be that in the CM Punk feud for CM Punk to be able to be CM Punk.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So I'm okay with it and this was exactly the kind of match that I thought we were going to see

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[SPEAKER_02]: If we had all of this chaos in the opener, just so that Roman could be pinned, Roman is not even the world champion.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Cody is the is the quarterback.

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[SPEAKER_02]: He's QB1.

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[SPEAKER_02]: He's Jason Street of WWE.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And all it takes is a punch with a wristwatch wrapped around Seth's head into the curb stump.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm going to call bullshit on the wristwatch, knocking somebody out.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Look, if we have brass nucks in this business as a weapon, that would have been fine.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But even in some matches, I've seen people kick out of brass nucks.

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[SPEAKER_02]: We are in a wrestling ecosystem where

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[SPEAKER_02]: Plunder doesn't stop anybody from kicking out.

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[SPEAKER_02]: We just saw John seeing an AJ Styles hit.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Every finisher under the sun save for the stone cold stunner and the rock bottom and these dudes kicked out of every single one.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And yes, Cody and Seth hit a bunch of finishers too, but the wristwatch, the Rolex watch as the key weapon to end this match was upholing to me, and Seth, he's Seth grabbed the watch, brought it rings side decided he was not going to use it, then in a moment of weakness decided he needed to use it, knocked Cody out, stomped and did he do a stomp off the top as well?

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[SPEAKER_02]: Is that how he actually finished it?

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, so there's you there's your finish stop off the top rope is actually the finish or but the kind of the the climax was was set up by this watch and Cody take Cody took like

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[SPEAKER_02]: a bump where it was like he was hit with triple age gold sledgehammer.

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[SPEAKER_02]: That's kind of bumpy took.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I didn't like that part at all.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I think we needed to protect Cody a little bit more.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I would have done Brock Lesnar.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I would have done something a little bit more similar to what they did with Roman.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I thought this was too simple.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I thought Seth would have been even more evilish and more heelish had they had a different way for him to win this match.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It was almost like

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[SPEAKER_02]: He's trying to be a baby face like this is like a baby face kind of thing for him to just want to win this match to prove his value like your heel dude like you know that whole thing so I didn't like those that mixing of of heat there a little bit but you know the matches good these guys are always going to have good matches the hell in the sell matches Maybe my favorite WWE moment of like the last five years is just Cody with the with the torn pack and the bruising and he and Seth just having like that stuff was like

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[SPEAKER_02]: masterful.

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[SPEAKER_02]: This wasn't that it was still good.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I just didn't like to finish.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, the finish was weird and I kept asking Cody for the last couple of weeks.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Get your watch back.

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[SPEAKER_00]: This is my respect to you on a number of occasions.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's spying your face about your friendship.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Get the watch back.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So technically this is your fault for not taking back your gift.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The finish was dumb.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That was not the actual wash from Rousseau Mania because that the actual watch has way more blinked than that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That was a tie-max that set the use to knock out codey.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And the fact that we saw so many super finishes in the scene of style is matching this match.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And you're telling me that a top rope crossroads couldn't finish off Seth.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I was like, codey.

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[SPEAKER_00]: A reminder me a Roman said it, WrestleMania, this move beats no one, not even from the top road that you get beat with a timex watch.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's how you lost.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But at least at the one, he got the monkey off his back.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's very proud of that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: These guys do have great matches if.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Styles and Cena did not take place, I think this match would have been the match of the night, but unfortunately for them, we had spam 2K 25 out there and you couldn't top that sadly.

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[SPEAKER_02]: All right, so let's actually talk about best and worse.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So to you, AJ and Cena was the best match.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I think I think I would go main event or

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[SPEAKER_02]: I can't go main event because I just didn't like to finish the main event.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I'll probably go though the women's tag team match, but again, this isn't like, you know, this isn't like a five star match versus three star matches.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It was like a bunch of three and a half to four star matches.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And I just like to the tag team match the best.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And it was, you know, the outside of, it was Jessica Carter referee in this match.

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[SPEAKER_02]: She was.

58:29.908 --> 58:40.077
[SPEAKER_02]: There were moments where it was like, she was the female version of Rick Knox in AEW where there's just double-teaming going on.

58:40.757 --> 58:44.901
[SPEAKER_02]: And she's like, oh, I'm just gonna start my count all over again.

58:46.202 --> 58:48.504
[SPEAKER_02]: One, as the double-teaming is happening.

58:49.064 --> 58:54.368
[SPEAKER_02]: So that, if I have a dislike about that match, it was that just too much double-teaming.

58:54.409 --> 58:55.870
[SPEAKER_02]: There was a moment where I think Asuka

58:56.812 --> 59:10.406
[SPEAKER_02]: who is not in the ring just ran to the other side to pull EO off the top rope and I guess that's not a disqualification in wrestling in in 2025, but I don't think you should do that right from the referee, but that would probably be

59:11.127 --> 59:26.459
[SPEAKER_02]: be my best match, but I think every single match outside of Stephanie and Tiffany was kind of right around above average to really good and just depending on your tastes of who you like is probably.

59:27.259 --> 59:30.422
[SPEAKER_02]: But you know, the the one that's going to be most memorable on 100% is John

59:37.927 --> 59:41.715
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, it wasn't a bad match in any way, but Stephanie and Tiffany, maybe the worst match.

59:42.451 --> 59:44.112
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and it wasn't a bad match at all.

59:44.232 --> 59:46.332
[SPEAKER_00]: I just think they needed more time in the story.

59:46.812 --> 59:52.514
[SPEAKER_00]: And I think it would have been on par with the tag team match and the main event.

59:52.534 --> 59:54.915
[SPEAKER_00]: Just needed a story and needed more time.

59:54.975 --> 59:55.995
[SPEAKER_00]: Those were two crutches.

59:56.415 --> 01:00:09.339
[SPEAKER_00]: The kind of health things back with both ladies worked very hard when the Tiffany's better matches in a while for sure and Stephanie, as I said before, she's had a really good year so far in WWE and is showing via this match in the victory.

01:00:10.201 --> 01:00:12.264
[SPEAKER_02]: All right, let's go winners and losers here.

01:00:12.885 --> 01:00:23.098
[SPEAKER_02]: Now, the funny part about winners and losers is in the ecosystem of WWE, like the true winner is probably

01:00:24.817 --> 01:00:31.924
[SPEAKER_02]: Actually, you know, the, you know, who the true loser would be is triple H in that post press conference would people are yelling about Saudi Arabia.

01:00:31.964 --> 01:00:39.310
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, his big head is talking doing the fake Dana White, but in the ecosystem of storylines and WWE will do our winners and losers.

01:00:40.511 --> 01:00:43.134
[SPEAKER_02]: I thought biggest winner.

01:00:44.312 --> 01:01:03.404
[SPEAKER_02]: of the show's got to be Bronson read with the upset of Roman reigns who takes a rare pinfall very smartly so at that the booking was so solid here and then they got two stories across one that Roman lost in Bronson won so he's got that he's the tribal thief.

01:01:03.945 --> 01:01:05.266
[SPEAKER_02]: Miles, let's take a shoes again.

01:01:05.286 --> 01:01:10.089
[SPEAKER_02]: I liked it when he's got shoes around his neck and then at the

01:01:12.310 --> 01:01:15.974
[SPEAKER_02]: this bloodline storyline, the sixth inning of the bloodline or whatever.

01:01:15.994 --> 01:01:30.830
[SPEAKER_02]: So I thought those two in that one single match when it comes to the booking were both big winners because of, you know, you got, you got two things going there that I think are very smart and set up things for down the line.

01:01:31.150 --> 01:01:33.393
[SPEAKER_02]: Do you have any other winners for the night?

01:01:34.621 --> 01:01:40.047
[SPEAKER_00]: winners, I would say, would go to, um, fanatics.

01:01:40.747 --> 01:01:41.348
[SPEAKER_00]: There you go.

01:01:41.868 --> 01:01:44.271
[SPEAKER_00]: All of the money they made off those John Cena shirts.

01:01:44.391 --> 01:01:44.751
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.

01:01:45.031 --> 01:01:48.955
[SPEAKER_00]: They had a record breaking merch day for those shirts.

01:01:49.336 --> 01:01:53.259
[SPEAKER_00]: But in all seriousness, um, John Cena and AJ Styles.

01:01:53.900 --> 01:02:00.926
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, two guys that have had amazing careers and just to think that AJ's tiring next year.

01:02:01.006 --> 01:02:08.472
[SPEAKER_00]: On the 10th anniversary of him joining WWE, I think that's fitting a very nice 10 year run hall of fame career.

01:02:08.592 --> 01:02:11.555
[SPEAKER_00]: Obviously, John Cena still reminding us.

01:02:12.255 --> 01:02:15.338
[SPEAKER_00]: at the end of the road here, how good he still is.

01:02:15.358 --> 01:02:25.367
[SPEAKER_00]: And that match for all of the spamming when it came to finishers was actually a lovely, beautiful love letter to professional wrestling.

01:02:25.427 --> 01:02:30.851
[SPEAKER_00]: If you love finishers, you love certain stars and you love Michael Cole for 85% of the match.

01:02:31.852 --> 01:02:37.034
[SPEAKER_00]: correctly calling ministers for what they were congratulations.

01:02:37.394 --> 01:02:42.856
[SPEAKER_00]: Now his one faux paw was the fact that when AJ had a scorpion death drop, he didn't shut out sting.

01:02:43.096 --> 01:02:44.757
[SPEAKER_00]: He isn't your hall of fame Michael.

01:02:44.877 --> 01:02:46.818
[SPEAKER_00]: You can say the word sting.

01:02:47.038 --> 01:02:47.678
[SPEAKER_00]: It's okay.

01:02:47.938 --> 01:02:52.380
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, he did tell us what his finishing maneuver was.

01:02:52.480 --> 01:02:55.641
[SPEAKER_02]: And I, you know, he wrestled that one magic and scary lawler.

01:02:56.381 --> 01:03:00.626
[SPEAKER_02]: He said his finisher was the ankle lock.

01:03:00.846 --> 01:03:02.288
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, I popped at that one.

01:03:02.308 --> 01:03:02.808
[SPEAKER_02]: That was good.

01:03:03.229 --> 01:03:10.957
[SPEAKER_02]: He was he was thinking on his feet there All right Actually before we get to the losers.

01:03:10.977 --> 01:03:17.625
[SPEAKER_02]: I was thinking about this because AJ Styles has said This is he is also gonna be done soon

01:03:19.580 --> 01:03:21.301
[SPEAKER_02]: They did this whole year long thing.

01:03:21.321 --> 01:03:26.565
[SPEAKER_02]: Let's see, know, which was smartly so, he's one of their biggest stars of the last, you know, 20 years.

01:03:28.326 --> 01:03:37.373
[SPEAKER_02]: Would you want to see something like this for an AJ Styles or would it be too repetitive to what they just did?

01:03:37.393 --> 01:03:39.775
[SPEAKER_02]: Would see, like, should he get a proper sendoff?

01:03:39.815 --> 01:03:41.996
[SPEAKER_02]: And what could that sendoff be for AJ Styles?

01:03:42.957 --> 01:03:43.978
[SPEAKER_00]: I think he deserves it.

01:03:44.278 --> 01:03:45.439
[SPEAKER_00]: I feel it because,

01:03:47.027 --> 01:03:51.888
[SPEAKER_00]: a lot of people have grown to appreciate AJ Styles.

01:03:52.308 --> 01:03:55.289
[SPEAKER_00]: And I don't think he realizes how beloved he is.

01:03:55.729 --> 01:04:00.770
[SPEAKER_00]: So I do think he does deserve a retirement tour.

01:04:00.910 --> 01:04:04.410
[SPEAKER_00]: Should it be as big as John Cena's no, because I don't want set dates.

01:04:04.911 --> 01:04:08.171
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't want a countdown of I have 30 dates left.

01:04:08.511 --> 01:04:11.412
[SPEAKER_00]: I want this to kind of be like a fun farewell.

01:04:11.812 --> 01:04:13.072
[SPEAKER_00]: Let's just go with the flow.

01:04:17.153 --> 01:04:17.673
[SPEAKER_00]: Cool deal.

01:04:18.074 --> 01:04:31.300
[SPEAKER_00]: So for me, I don't want it to be as elaborate, but I do want that same not of respect and appreciation that you are seeing someone who is one of the grace to ever do it about gracefully and give him his dream matches along the line.

01:04:31.660 --> 01:04:39.845
[SPEAKER_00]: And please, please, pretty please redo Stows a knock-o-moor appropriately for they both go home.

01:04:40.565 --> 01:04:42.626
[SPEAKER_02]: It would be nice to see something

01:04:46.133 --> 01:04:48.277
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, he didn't come from there.

01:04:48.297 --> 01:04:50.541
[SPEAKER_02]: And so that may be part of the problem.

01:04:50.561 --> 01:04:53.246
[SPEAKER_02]: Obviously, he was in TNA forever.

01:04:53.266 --> 01:04:54.848
[SPEAKER_02]: He went to New Japan.

01:04:55.851 --> 01:05:06.695
[SPEAKER_02]: Once he kind of became the top guy in New Japan, which predated the Kenny Omega run, then WWE was finally interested in him and they brought him and the good brothers over.

01:05:07.395 --> 01:05:10.557
[SPEAKER_02]: I would like to see something, but it's just, he's kind of in this.

01:05:10.617 --> 01:05:14.898
[SPEAKER_02]: He's always really been in the shadow of Sino when it comes to that wrestling star.

01:05:15.318 --> 01:05:18.100
[SPEAKER_02]: And the hardcore fans knew AJ Styles.

01:05:18.400 --> 01:05:24.202
[SPEAKER_02]: They knew who he and Samoa Joe and Christopher Daniels were, but that WWE audience,

01:05:25.078 --> 01:05:29.240
[SPEAKER_02]: They may have heard about him, but it wasn't until he showed up.

01:05:29.300 --> 01:05:32.242
[SPEAKER_02]: And I remember, I was at a house show in San Jose.

01:05:32.562 --> 01:05:36.184
[SPEAKER_02]: I want it may have been his actual first WWE match.

01:05:36.224 --> 01:05:39.866
[SPEAKER_02]: If it wasn't his first, it was definitely in like the top two or three.

01:05:39.886 --> 01:05:43.688
[SPEAKER_02]: I think it might have even been against the Miz.

01:05:44.509 --> 01:05:50.012
[SPEAKER_02]: And it was, it was incredible because from, from my memory,

01:05:50.771 --> 01:06:16.193
[SPEAKER_02]: Like the house show audience didn't really know him that well, but then when he came into the royal rumble like it was very clear like that audience knew who he was and he got that he got really celebrated, but being in scene as shadow you know what kind of reminds me of is remember when Paul Pierce was about to retire and dream on green kind of was like given him the business from the side line he's like they don't love you like Kobe.

01:06:18.364 --> 01:06:22.686
[SPEAKER_02]: And it's kind of the thing, right, as AJ Styles is just in this shadow.

01:06:22.726 --> 01:06:30.691
[SPEAKER_02]: So if he does do something, it's kind of also in the shadow of scene as retirement, which they're just doing on a big level right now.

01:06:31.311 --> 01:06:31.652
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

01:06:31.752 --> 01:06:38.355
[SPEAKER_00]: But I do think that the appreciation for Styles to make that wild comparison to pulp ears.

01:06:41.617 --> 01:06:43.178
[SPEAKER_00]: I think it's a bit more equal.

01:06:46.660 --> 01:06:58.168
[SPEAKER_00]: an appreciation that I think even AJ doesn't fully realize until he really sees it from the people because I think he underrate his career a bit like I did great stuff.

01:06:58.268 --> 01:07:09.456
[SPEAKER_00]: I think that he's one of the best to ever do it and I believe a lot of fans believe that too and they want to go on the journey and appreciate it if WWE doesn't overdo it.

01:07:10.056 --> 01:07:13.579
[SPEAKER_00]: Let the guy go out there, Russell, kick ass and then retire

01:07:15.680 --> 01:07:16.140
[SPEAKER_02]: He's great.

01:07:16.340 --> 01:07:20.142
[SPEAKER_02]: He should be celebrated in, he, I mean, he won.

01:07:20.162 --> 01:07:24.784
[SPEAKER_02]: WWE titles, like that's how that's how highly they thought about him.

01:07:24.884 --> 01:07:27.345
[SPEAKER_02]: So, um, all right.

01:07:27.665 --> 01:07:29.066
[SPEAKER_02]: Now let's go to the losers.

01:07:29.126 --> 01:07:31.387
[SPEAKER_02]: Now again, remember, this is a little bit in the storyline.

01:07:32.567 --> 01:07:37.449
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm not sure if I'm that, you know, uh, by the way, giant J. Uso fan, right?

01:07:37.489 --> 01:07:40.851
[SPEAKER_02]: Like I've been talking about the student for years and years and years.

01:07:40.871 --> 01:07:44.192
[SPEAKER_02]: I always thought the Uso's were kind of under pushed and

01:07:44.967 --> 01:07:56.150
[SPEAKER_02]: then he gets to be in the bloodline and and J gets some focus and he gets the match with Roman and you kind of see like oh, you know, maybe he's going to be more than just the tag team brother.

01:07:56.171 --> 01:08:00.492
[SPEAKER_02]: And then he wins the role Rumble earlier this year and I'm just so into it.

01:08:00.672 --> 01:08:03.533
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm at the the second ever Netflix RAW.

01:08:04.453 --> 01:08:28.905
[SPEAKER_02]: and just kid after kid after kid is eating all over the place and doing the eats hand sign and you know they're they're not necessarily on rhythm when the song plays but um just you could just tell that there was a moment and it was really going to be about how he dealt with it, how he handled it and how how far they were going to go with him

01:08:35.340 --> 01:08:40.646
[SPEAKER_02]: But I sort of sense like you can almost see it in the unreal documentary, right?

01:08:40.706 --> 01:08:44.631
[SPEAKER_02]: Where triple H is like, brother, you got to get your wind up, man.

01:08:45.191 --> 01:08:50.217
[SPEAKER_02]: You can't be tired by the time you get to the ring and he could step the Russell the match.

01:08:51.218 --> 01:08:51.579
[SPEAKER_02]: And then

01:08:53.075 --> 01:08:57.018
[SPEAKER_02]: his promos did not hit it out of the park with me.

01:08:57.698 --> 01:09:16.091
[SPEAKER_02]: You could tell there was a lot of overthinking and what he was going to say, and he's trying to do this like rhythm and rhyme to his stuff, which when he and Jimmy do it together, they're like on fire, but when he was doing it himself, he's like repeating stuff, you can tell he's like, you know what, you remind of me of,

01:09:17.135 --> 01:09:44.189
[SPEAKER_02]: is like a rapper who's trying to freestyle and they have like a word that they can't think of so that you can just kind of tell they they said the thing that wasn't really the punch line that they wanted that was Jay Lusos promos as a solo to me so now we get this different version of Jay and Roman is involved and all of a sudden to me he's no accountability

01:09:45.992 --> 01:09:47.313
[SPEAKER_02]: He is complaining.

01:09:47.333 --> 01:09:49.975
[SPEAKER_02]: He's making excuses.

01:09:50.776 --> 01:09:54.879
[SPEAKER_02]: He's thrown his brother under the bus when all his brother does a support.

01:09:55.059 --> 01:09:56.220
[SPEAKER_02]: His selfish ass.

01:09:57.000 --> 01:10:03.505
[SPEAKER_02]: So Jay, who's so my big loser of the week, not only does he spear Roman into the table to lose the match.

01:10:04.366 --> 01:10:06.667
[SPEAKER_02]: When Romans like, bro, I told you not to come out.

01:10:07.808 --> 01:10:10.050
[SPEAKER_02]: He's like, nah, Roman selfish.

01:10:10.150 --> 01:10:10.731
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm out of here.

01:10:11.071 --> 01:10:11.611
[SPEAKER_02]: Come on, dude.

01:10:11.631 --> 01:10:13.873
[SPEAKER_02]: You got to take some responsibility for what you just did.

01:10:15.945 --> 01:10:22.968
[SPEAKER_00]: Listen, Jay is going to my list for a minute, not going to lie to you ever since he's lost this championship.

01:10:23.008 --> 01:10:24.289
[SPEAKER_00]: He's been a big baby.

01:10:24.309 --> 01:10:25.930
[SPEAKER_00]: He's been selfish.

01:10:26.290 --> 01:10:37.695
[SPEAKER_00]: He's been gaslighting his big bro gym, the disrespect and then Roman tells your ass what are you doing at the top of the hour nothing and then you still come out here when I tell you not to.

01:10:38.095 --> 01:10:39.396
[SPEAKER_00]: You go against my wishes.

01:10:39.436 --> 01:10:41.258
[SPEAKER_00]: You cost me my match.

01:10:41.618 --> 01:10:45.541
[SPEAKER_00]: And now I don't want to see you and your dry turkey for Thanksgiving.

01:10:45.882 --> 01:10:49.164
[SPEAKER_00]: I will see you on Christmas with a lump of coal as your gift.

01:10:49.485 --> 01:10:51.086
[SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, Jay's on my list too.

01:10:51.406 --> 01:10:55.009
[SPEAKER_00]: He is a perennial disappointment for the last couple of months.

01:10:55.369 --> 01:10:57.691
[SPEAKER_00]: You've lost matches on Monday, Night Raw.

01:10:58.012 --> 01:11:00.534
[SPEAKER_00]: Roman had to bill you out of trouble and now this.

01:11:00.914 --> 01:11:03.536
[SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, Jay, you are the biggest loser goodbye.

01:11:03.977 --> 01:11:06.579
[SPEAKER_02]: I want to see that they need to have a camera.

01:11:08.022 --> 01:11:30.202
[SPEAKER_02]: for for the the the family Christmas where you know Romans given out gifts and you know gives Jimmy like I don't know something that's something really cool for Jimmy a watch or you know something expensive and then Jay just gets like a OTC T shirt or something.

01:11:33.043 --> 01:11:36.167
[SPEAKER_02]: So you get so much more mad at Robin that that would be hilarious.

01:11:36.828 --> 01:11:37.670
[SPEAKER_02]: All right.

01:11:37.710 --> 01:11:40.253
[SPEAKER_02]: Do you have any losers coming out of this show?

01:11:41.375 --> 01:11:43.297
[SPEAKER_00]: Besides Jay who I just buried.

01:11:43.918 --> 01:11:45.801
[SPEAKER_00]: Let's see who else is a loser.

01:11:47.884 --> 01:11:48.965
[SPEAKER_00]: Tiffany she's a loser.

01:11:49.286 --> 01:11:49.786
[SPEAKER_00]: She's a loser.

01:11:50.538 --> 01:11:52.180
[SPEAKER_00]: a loser because her streak ended.

01:11:52.200 --> 01:11:52.901
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

01:11:53.361 --> 01:11:55.263
[SPEAKER_00]: She's 17 and one now for the year.

01:11:55.564 --> 01:11:58.427
[SPEAKER_00]: It didn't even really make that big of a deal of that from what I remember.

01:11:58.727 --> 01:12:01.049
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, they made a big to live out the streak being undefeated.

01:12:01.089 --> 01:12:08.717
[SPEAKER_00]: Then you don't make a big deal of her losing her first match of the year and losing the match will basically would have made her the crown jewel of 2025.

01:12:08.758 --> 01:12:08.798
[SPEAKER_00]: So

01:12:10.319 --> 01:12:11.860
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, she's a loser in that regard.

01:12:11.880 --> 01:12:15.741
[SPEAKER_00]: I think that it's been a rough stretch for Tiffany as of late.

01:12:15.801 --> 01:12:17.262
[SPEAKER_00]: The match has haven't been as great.

01:12:17.582 --> 01:12:31.087
[SPEAKER_00]: This was a decent outing for her tonight, but as I said before, Bianca Bill Lair cannot come back fast enough to kind of salvage things because I think that she needs her to really get back on track and I need Bianca to get this championship.

01:12:31.527 --> 01:12:32.648
[SPEAKER_02]: Do you know the story?

01:12:33.743 --> 01:12:49.674
[SPEAKER_02]: of Ronnie Lot, former 49ers, a cornerback and then safety, he's playing a game in the playoffs, I think, and his hand gets caught up in somebody's face mask, and his finger gets dislocated.

01:12:50.874 --> 01:13:01.461
[SPEAKER_02]: And so, you know, they're basically telling, like, dude, you have to have surgery on your hand, and if you have surgery on your hand to repair this finger, you're going to be out for a specific

01:13:03.611 --> 01:13:07.434
[SPEAKER_02]: And he's like, no, just cut off the tip of this finger.

01:13:08.675 --> 01:13:11.516
[SPEAKER_02]: And they cut off his finger so that he can keep playing football.

01:13:12.277 --> 01:13:16.099
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, I kind of want to cut off my finger and just give it to Bianca.

01:13:16.139 --> 01:13:23.964
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, whatever the problem is with her hand or her finger, like, let's solve this because she's been out for so long.

01:13:23.984 --> 01:13:26.866
[SPEAKER_02]: And I, you know, in one sense, I miss her.

01:13:26.906 --> 01:13:29.788
[SPEAKER_02]: So when she does come back, it's going to be awesome.

01:13:30.208 --> 01:13:32.210
[SPEAKER_02]: But they need her big time right now.

01:13:32.770 --> 01:13:33.971
[SPEAKER_00]: She is sorely missed.

01:13:34.211 --> 01:13:43.575
[SPEAKER_00]: I, when I saw the finger, how minted was like in July, so no, she's not coming back anytime soon, because I feel like OT, occupational therapy.

01:13:43.976 --> 01:13:45.176
[SPEAKER_00]: She's got to get her grip back.

01:13:45.216 --> 01:13:47.337
[SPEAKER_00]: She's got to get her strength back the range of motion.

01:13:47.497 --> 01:13:47.997
[SPEAKER_00]: All of that.

01:13:48.378 --> 01:13:51.859
[SPEAKER_00]: So she really smashed that finger up good at WrestleMania.

01:13:52.280 --> 01:13:53.080
[SPEAKER_00]: Freak accident.

01:13:53.140 --> 01:13:54.341
[SPEAKER_00]: It's going to take some time to heal.

01:13:54.901 --> 01:13:56.582
[SPEAKER_00]: If she went to surgical route, I think the,

01:13:57.362 --> 01:13:59.083
[SPEAKER_00]: the weight might have been even longer.

01:13:59.203 --> 01:14:02.306
[SPEAKER_00]: So I guess she's waiting for that bone to fully heal.

01:14:02.926 --> 01:14:13.413
[SPEAKER_00]: The word is she's close, but at this point, we just better off waiting to the warrior rumble honestly at this point, because there's nothing else to really do in the year 2025 here.

01:14:13.794 --> 01:14:15.995
[SPEAKER_00]: Got the warrior rumble in Saudi.

01:14:16.416 --> 01:14:17.416
[SPEAKER_00]: That's going to be an event.

01:14:17.636 --> 01:14:17.957
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

01:14:18.537 --> 01:14:20.358
[SPEAKER_00]: would have 30 cat suits off there.

01:14:20.418 --> 01:14:24.401
[SPEAKER_00]: So she'll be off there and I think at that point, why not?

01:14:24.501 --> 01:14:28.965
[SPEAKER_00]: Because we're basically at the end of this year, and not must do there to close out 20 25.

01:14:29.845 --> 01:14:32.367
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, I did have a moment when I started watching this show.

01:14:33.548 --> 01:14:36.370
[SPEAKER_02]: And it was like Stephanie was in her normal clothes.

01:14:36.990 --> 01:14:38.491
[SPEAKER_02]: Tiffany was in her normal clothes.

01:14:38.531 --> 01:14:42.194
[SPEAKER_02]: And I was like, wow, like, this, you know,

01:14:48.884 --> 01:14:49.004
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

01:14:49.064 --> 01:14:50.385
[SPEAKER_02]: I got confused for a second.

01:14:51.045 --> 01:14:53.966
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, listen, all this money that I'm making for WrestleMania.

01:14:53.986 --> 01:14:56.248
[SPEAKER_00]: Hey, you can at least give us arms.

01:14:56.508 --> 01:14:56.708
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

01:14:57.048 --> 01:14:58.108
[SPEAKER_00]: Adding it to next year.

01:14:58.128 --> 01:14:58.889
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

01:14:58.949 --> 01:14:59.809
[SPEAKER_02]: It's ridiculous.

01:14:59.869 --> 01:15:13.696
[SPEAKER_02]: But so, you know, it's so weird about the finger thing though is I've actually dislocated my finger in a car accident and I didn't even realize it, but it's crazy because I'm now holding up my pinky.

01:15:19.070 --> 01:15:36.904
[SPEAKER_02]: It kind of went perpendicular on me and they just kind of just moved it popped it back in and so it's just wild that some, you know, some finger injuries like that like I my hand hurt for two or three weeks where, you know, it was hard to type or whatever, but other than that, it was like fine.

01:15:37.724 --> 01:15:43.629
[SPEAKER_02]: But then her thing is like taken forever, so it's just, you know, unfortunate bad luck when it comes to stuff like that.

01:15:44.229 --> 01:15:47.292
[SPEAKER_02]: The only other loser I have on this is a

01:15:49.166 --> 01:15:55.928
[SPEAKER_02]: PLE's man like I'm just I'm I'm I'm trying to remember how much I liked summer slam

01:15:56.942 --> 01:16:02.485
[SPEAKER_02]: But I don't think I've really been super duper satisfied with the PLE in some time now.

01:16:02.605 --> 01:16:05.846
[SPEAKER_02]: And I don't know if it is the actual product.

01:16:06.447 --> 01:16:11.409
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know if it is my expectation of the product.

01:16:11.629 --> 01:16:18.613
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know if it is in, you know, there's a little bit of a bias because I was in Vegas for also many a week and and I just got the egg from,

01:16:19.983 --> 01:16:25.366
[SPEAKER_02]: how WWE fans were acting and how WWE was so pompous about stuff.

01:16:26.387 --> 01:16:34.051
[SPEAKER_02]: And so I don't know if it's that, but I don't think this has been a strong PLE year for them.

01:16:34.992 --> 01:16:40.475
[SPEAKER_02]: And I just I hope that they pick it up because I think these shows need to be valuable.

01:16:40.615 --> 01:16:46.599
[SPEAKER_02]: We need to we need to remember these shows as like great like I can still remember

01:16:47.692 --> 01:16:59.979
[SPEAKER_02]: that backlash in Puerto Rico with bad bunny like that is something that I will never forget when it comes to a PLE because that thing out kicked the coverage of what I thought it was going to be.

01:16:59.999 --> 01:17:03.601
[SPEAKER_02]: I mentioned the Cody Rhodes and Seth Rollins hell in the cell match.

01:17:03.641 --> 01:17:05.482
[SPEAKER_02]: Like that match is so memorable.

01:17:06.082 --> 01:17:09.564
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm not sure what I'll remember from 2025 when it comes to the PLE stuff.

01:17:12.667 --> 01:17:21.232
[SPEAKER_00]: I think you're making to the point, I kind of call this at the top of the year that for as high as they are in WWE.

01:17:23.172 --> 01:17:30.457
[SPEAKER_00]: I always felt at some point that balloon is going to let out all the air, and we're going to come back down to earth.

01:17:31.177 --> 01:17:41.423
[SPEAKER_00]: The booking, the creative has been very suspicious since Rosalmania, even before then with the scene of turn, and the beginning, it was a good idea than it fell apart.

01:17:42.104 --> 01:17:43.105
[SPEAKER_00]: And Paula Vack.

01:17:44.143 --> 01:17:47.506
[SPEAKER_00]: The book, all of it has not been great this year.

01:17:48.027 --> 01:17:50.609
[SPEAKER_00]: And that's resulted in some pretty so-so PLEs.

01:17:51.150 --> 01:17:54.413
[SPEAKER_00]: My favorite PLE of the year was evolution.

01:17:54.853 --> 01:17:56.395
[SPEAKER_00]: I thought that was a very good show.

01:17:56.935 --> 01:17:59.037
[SPEAKER_00]: Some of us and I'm a solid the show was good to you.

01:17:59.898 --> 01:18:03.021
[SPEAKER_00]: But for the rest of the year, it is felt like it's been a pretty,

01:18:03.962 --> 01:18:05.343
[SPEAKER_00]: year for WWE.

01:18:06.064 --> 01:18:14.230
[SPEAKER_00]: I said at the top of the year that a W would be on the ascent in terms of getting their stuff together creatively, that has come to pass.

01:18:14.650 --> 01:18:17.853
[SPEAKER_00]: And with that, WWE takes a step back.

01:18:18.293 --> 01:18:26.519
[SPEAKER_00]: There's an opportunity to kind of correct things heading into next year, but they're bright and butter for the last two or so years were the PLEs or the storytelling.

01:18:26.900 --> 01:18:27.960
[SPEAKER_00]: That has taken a dip.

01:18:28.000 --> 01:18:28.241
[SPEAKER_00]: And now I

01:18:31.763 --> 01:18:33.504
[SPEAKER_00]: Are you writing for WWE Unreal?

01:18:33.845 --> 01:18:41.609
[SPEAKER_00]: Because you can't have both because now I'm wondering is this for your reality show that you're writing or is it for us to enjoy?

01:18:41.669 --> 01:18:48.214
[SPEAKER_00]: So they definitely fight these two competing ideas and find a sweet spot that gives the people what they want.

01:18:48.254 --> 01:18:52.957
[SPEAKER_00]: Because now you're asking us as fans to spend a lot of money in person.

01:18:53.317 --> 01:18:57.720
[SPEAKER_00]: And now you're asking us to spend a lot of money out of pocket for ESPN.

01:18:59.151 --> 01:19:11.416
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, if I go back, I think elimination chamber was my favorite PLE, but then I was also one of the few people who did not like seen a turning heal.

01:19:12.397 --> 01:19:14.597
[SPEAKER_02]: And I just thought it was the wrong move.

01:19:14.778 --> 01:19:22.461
[SPEAKER_02]: I thought it was reactiveness to Cody not wanting to join the rock, you know, and in.

01:19:23.626 --> 01:19:27.049
[SPEAKER_02]: Cody, the real life Cody wrote saying, ah, you know, I don't know if I want to turn heal right now.

01:19:27.389 --> 01:19:31.392
[SPEAKER_02]: And so the reaction was John Cena and I was like, no, this is not the time to turn this dude heal.

01:19:31.432 --> 01:19:34.635
[SPEAKER_02]: He's finally universally cheered by this fan base.

01:19:35.155 --> 01:19:36.156
[SPEAKER_02]: And it's it's the wrong thing.

01:19:36.176 --> 01:19:42.121
[SPEAKER_02]: And then we had to deal with the heal John Cena, which was a long several months for WWE TV.

01:19:42.201 --> 01:19:47.185
[SPEAKER_02]: So like that was my favorite one, but then like I'd left the bad taste of my mouth with that angle.

01:19:47.245 --> 01:19:48.406
[SPEAKER_02]: So yeah, I don't know.

01:19:48.906 --> 01:19:51.949
[SPEAKER_02]: I guess I'm sure if we put

01:19:53.488 --> 01:19:54.811
[SPEAKER_02]: all the matches from summer slam.

01:19:54.851 --> 01:20:00.561
[SPEAKER_02]: You're probably make a pretty good memorable card, but again, I'm just, you know, because WrestleMania and L.A.

01:20:02.107 --> 01:20:04.548
[SPEAKER_02]: great WrestleMania and Dallas.

01:20:04.628 --> 01:20:06.648
[SPEAKER_02]: I remember that show being pretty good.

01:20:07.668 --> 01:20:14.590
[SPEAKER_02]: Both nights of WrestleMania and Philadelphia were solid, but just this last year in Vegas, I thought both nights were lacking.

01:20:14.650 --> 01:20:17.431
[SPEAKER_02]: So maybe that it maybe it's really about WrestleMania for me.

01:20:18.111 --> 01:20:20.251
[SPEAKER_02]: But anyway, all right.

01:20:20.291 --> 01:20:23.152
[SPEAKER_02]: So you and Salty Scott will be up Tuesday.

01:20:24.221 --> 01:20:29.764
[SPEAKER_02]: talking all of the things in WWE with the live episode of the rap.

01:20:29.844 --> 01:20:39.230
[SPEAKER_02]: So folks who are are listening to this or watching this, you know, check our YouTube channel for when that stream is is up and you can click that little notify button.

01:20:39.850 --> 01:20:41.411
[SPEAKER_02]: They also will take super chat.

01:20:41.451 --> 01:20:46.214
[SPEAKER_02]: If you have, if you want to get a question in our comment and you throw up super chat, they will take

01:20:52.281 --> 01:20:55.302
[SPEAKER_02]: will be back on takedown on Monday.

01:20:55.322 --> 01:20:58.463
[SPEAKER_02]: We don't we don't often go live.

01:20:58.523 --> 01:21:05.544
[SPEAKER_02]: I just throw the video up because we kind of record early and I don't imagine there's that many people who are going to be checking us out live.

01:21:06.124 --> 01:21:16.287
[SPEAKER_02]: So but that will be up Monday evening on YouTube Monday evening and Tuesday morning on our podcast feed.

01:21:17.293 --> 01:21:18.994
[SPEAKER_02]: And yeah, just we're keeping it.

01:21:19.074 --> 01:21:19.975
[SPEAKER_02]: We're keeping it rolling.

01:21:20.055 --> 01:21:24.558
[SPEAKER_02]: So thanks for hanging out Kila on a Saturday evening.

01:21:25.258 --> 01:21:30.142
[SPEAKER_02]: And after a very early morning paper, I don't know what else you got you got to do today.

01:21:30.182 --> 01:21:35.245
[SPEAKER_02]: Hopefully you guys do something fun on your Saturday today.

01:21:35.965 --> 01:21:37.066
[SPEAKER_02]: Shoutouts, Saltis Scott.

01:21:37.126 --> 01:21:40.909
[SPEAKER_02]: He wanted to join this, but he had work stuff to do as well.

01:21:41.409 --> 01:21:45.832
[SPEAKER_02]: But you can listen to and watch Kila and Saltis Scott on Tuesday.

01:21:46.432 --> 01:21:48.114
[SPEAKER_02]: anything else cute a little before we get out of here.

01:21:48.854 --> 01:21:51.257
[SPEAKER_00]: No, that is a rabble pleasure as always.

01:21:51.297 --> 01:21:54.920
[SPEAKER_00]: Thank you Fernando, David, always providing some interesting news.

01:21:56.141 --> 01:21:58.844
[SPEAKER_00]: And the chat Scott has fun with him every Tuesday.

01:21:58.864 --> 01:22:00.986
[SPEAKER_00]: It's now like a running joke on our show.

01:22:01.346 --> 01:22:01.867
[SPEAKER_00]: We love it.

01:22:02.047 --> 01:22:03.849
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, the JC Jane injury.

01:22:03.969 --> 01:22:05.811
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know the severity of it.

01:22:05.911 --> 01:22:06.952
[SPEAKER_00]: Hopefully something too bad.

01:22:09.373 --> 01:22:13.734
[SPEAKER_02]: So David actually said Jc Jane suffered a nasty injury.

01:22:13.774 --> 01:22:33.642
[SPEAKER_02]: I think it was at a house show, an NXT, a rare NXT house show, and it looks like it was maybe a quad that they had to put her on a stretcher to take back, and unfortunately because she's had a pretty strong year herself, I think she's turned a lot of heads

01:22:35.587 --> 01:22:42.992
[SPEAKER_02]: In those 2.0 days, she kind of seemed to be the cookie cutter, kind of person who they were pushing.

01:22:43.132 --> 01:22:45.073
[SPEAKER_02]: And then she's been there for a while.

01:22:46.034 --> 01:22:49.175
[SPEAKER_02]: And I think she's really stood out in a very good way.

01:22:49.215 --> 01:22:54.739
[SPEAKER_02]: Like in a way where I'm like, okay, now I can actually see her do something on the main roster.

01:22:54.759 --> 01:23:01.663
[SPEAKER_02]: Because I've always thought she had a good look in a good personality, not the best wrestler, but the wrestling is good enough,

01:23:05.017 --> 01:23:06.337
[SPEAKER_00]: It's called a good character too.

01:23:06.357 --> 01:23:09.758
[SPEAKER_00]: It could be a really great heal champion on the main roster.

01:23:09.818 --> 01:23:19.000
[SPEAKER_02]: If she's hopefully not too injured, I mean, replace Kiana James with JC Jane in that role that they're doing and it's probably improved, right?

01:23:19.100 --> 01:23:20.480
[SPEAKER_02]: Not that Kiana James is bad.

01:23:20.540 --> 01:23:28.122
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, I've always liked Kiana James, but JC Jane's personality, I think she'd probably kill it in the similar role.

01:23:28.735 --> 01:23:31.900
[SPEAKER_00]: I agree, just to Kim Shibukiana and Julie is not there.

01:23:31.920 --> 01:23:33.443
[SPEAKER_00]: It's like, it's just not there.

01:23:33.463 --> 01:23:38.771
[SPEAKER_00]: And then Diablessem, Kiana should be a slagent with Chelsea Green, honestly.

01:23:38.931 --> 01:23:41.135
[SPEAKER_00]: That should actually be her role.

01:23:41.175 --> 01:23:41.976
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I agree.

01:23:42.437 --> 01:23:42.797
[SPEAKER_00]: All right.

01:23:43.579 --> 01:23:44.340
[SPEAKER_02]: Thank you to everybody.

01:23:44.380 --> 01:23:45.261
[SPEAKER_02]: Thank you, Kila.

01:23:45.682 --> 01:23:46.984
[SPEAKER_02]: We will see y'all soon.

01:23:47.084 --> 01:23:50.750
[SPEAKER_02]: Four Kila, I'm double G. See you and we see you.

01:23:51.391 --> 01:23:52.693
[SPEAKER_02]: Peace out.