Wrestling Observer 1984: Hulk Hogan, Starrcade & SNME Origins | Observe This!

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[SPEAKER_00]: All right, we're back with the final observed this of 1984, uh, the Vince McMahon expansion starcade 84.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Dude, we have some hilarious comedy Dave bits, including, and I'll pre- I'll preview this one, including some carry on Eric.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, that testing for Rocky 4.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, that'll be a lot of the time around the time.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, so obviously, Draven is here with me.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Uh, we've been doing this all year.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's been fun to dig back into the book.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, I have this book on Kindle as I'm reading it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And uh,

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[SPEAKER_00]: As I'm getting closed, I know it's December in, in, in, in the years and I'm looking at the little Amazon Kindle gimmick where it shows you the percentage of the book that you've been through.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm, I'm, I'm not going to do that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not going to do that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know what you're talking about.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I, I'm all school and I read books.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, but it basically gives you an idea of how far through the book you are.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I'm like, we're in December.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think this is the last issue of the year.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then what I forgot is that Dave published a yearbook, essentially at the beginning of the next year.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So what they do in these observer books is they put the yearbook for 1984 at the end.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So the yearbook is like a thousand pages long, but it was kind of fun to dig through as well.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So all right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So we're sitting here.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's, it's Vince McMahon's world and Dave Meltzer.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I would say this before you keep going.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I wanted to just make sure that I had mentioned, that it's actually been two years that we've been doing this.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Two years, strong.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We haven't missed a month and that's more for me than you because I have a hard time keeping up with these things sometimes and I tend to jump off.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But so yeah, it's a big deal to me that we've been doing this now for two years.

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[SPEAKER_01]: cover 89, 84, I don't know what will do next year, but we'll figure it out.

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[SPEAKER_00]: No, and you know, I was gonna save this for the end, but since you mentioned it, no, I wanted to thank you for doing this.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Cause like, we're doing it more so because we have a good time than because we're any other reason really, we just like chit chat with each other.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And yeah, you know, we are both really busy in our day-to-day.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And even this holiday, you've been in high demand for movie podcasts and you've been hustling doing that stuff.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So to find time on New Year's Eve in the morning, I appreciate that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I'm excited though, because like you said, like to have this idea of a project and to actually get to the finish line is actually pretty cool.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: All right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Let's let's chit chat about what's going on and you know I have access of course to current Dave and it is funny in hindsight because asking current Dave about 40 years ago Dave is pretty wild 41 years ago actually and so I asked him I said you know I'm reading this 84 observer book.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And you are so angry at the current wrestling business because you're seeing that Vince is taking over and a lot of the stuff that you really enjoy, which is following the different territories and doing all the tape trading and the different styles of wrestling, you're kind of coming to the realization that

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[SPEAKER_00]: Even though you knew that cable TV was going to change the business, you're coming to the realization that Vince McMahon is going to probably be in your life, for the rest of your life.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And as I said that to him, what we were watching they to be pay-per-view, I had my own aha moment, which is, Dave outlasted Vince in the wrestling business, like that's kind of crazy if you think about it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean, it's a little simplistic, but I hear you.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, as I'm talking to him, I'm saying, you know, your communist realization, he's going to be the top guy for as long as you're covering this.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You can you can understand this.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And he said, well, I did think that Crockett was going to survive.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I did think that Watts was going to survive.

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[SPEAKER_00]: All the way up until Watts sold.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So my faith was in, I like those styles better.

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[SPEAKER_00]: you know, I'll be okay because even though I'll be covering WWE, I'll still get to watch NWA in mid-South and I'll be okay, like, you know, that I have to cover the business, but at least from an entertainment perspective.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then I'm just like,

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then, yeah, like you're not covering Vinson where and I've talked to him about this, we're still kind of covering Vince because Vince is popping into all these lawsuits and the shareholders and Ari Emmanuel and Mark Shapiro and Nikki Connor or in the news for maybe further wrong reasons, but Vince is just like this prevailing story that just ever is everlasting and I don't know, do you think we're going to hear more events in 2026 like is he going to be able to get

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[SPEAKER_00]: All of these lawsuits, we have the ringboys lawsuit, we have the shareholders lawsuit.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then this Janelle Grant thing, I feel like the amount of people that care so much about the Janelle Grant thing is lessening, which is actually pretty unfortunate and frustrating.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But do you think these things behind them and can actually come back into wrestling or is that done?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Are we done with Vince McMahon?

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[SPEAKER_01]: No, I think he's gonna be around, I think.

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[SPEAKER_01]: his circle, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: His circle, his connections, including the president of the United States of America, are too powerful.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So, I mean, even now, what's the point of these lawsuits other than just like, you know, they're just civil lawsuits at this point.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He's never going to go to jail or not in the

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[SPEAKER_01]: And so I think he's gonna come out of this, which is unfortunate, but that's the world with the world's not fair, and it just always been that way, and I also feel that he's gonna get involved again, just because he's got

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[SPEAKER_01]: Look at Triple H. I mean, little by little, they're just not caring.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like they don't care, you know, anybody thinks they're going to rob elbows with the people they're going to rob elbows with.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I feel Vince is going to come back.

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[SPEAKER_01]: If not with the WWE under the umbrella of TKO somewhere, you know, he's going to be the promoter of the bull riding thing they have or the boxing, he'll be back.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And, and, and, and, and, and,

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[SPEAKER_01]: David, through with Vince, yeah, you know, I just these people are like cockroaches.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They're just never going away.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yeah, totally.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then, like you said, unfortunately, as time goes on, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: As a new generation.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And we also have to think about, this isn't going to be wrong forever, because his mom lived to be like 100.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So he's going to be wrong forever.

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[SPEAKER_01]: As time goes on, we're going to forget about it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Looking what happened with Brock Lesnar, I was very disappointed with the whole Brock Lesnar thing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Just once you're there live, you're a cartoon character.

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[SPEAKER_01]: When you're a rock, when you're in a paper, whatever, you're a cartoon character, it doesn't come what you do.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So, unless you're a alcoholic, which for whatever reason will alcoholic, they didn't let up habit, which is weird to me.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So, he's in a comeback.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's my prediction for 2026, and beyond, he's going to come back for sure.

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[SPEAKER_00]: All right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So, let's dig in, and it was kind of interesting to find a starting point.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But I decided to start with,

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[SPEAKER_00]: Dave, he had written a bit of an editorial about his dissatisfaction with where the wrestling business was going, almost to the point of where it sounded like he may quit the observer.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Now, I've talked to him about this and there was also other stuff going on in his life like

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[SPEAKER_00]: his real career and people telling him that wrestling is not a real career and you need to work in sports, you're good enough to work in sports.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so he writes this.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He says, having read my previous editorial, I should make everyone aware of my current burned out state on pro wrestling.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He says that he's committed to printing up the yearbook and one more issue after that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: After that time, I will continue to do a wrestling publication because Reader Interest continues to pick up.

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[SPEAKER_00]: However, since I've already for the most part quit watching WWEF, AWA, Southwest and others, I don't feel that I'm qualified to cover them in the manner,

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[SPEAKER_00]: He says he's got to keep trading tapes.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's going to stay on top of his favorite promotions that keep his interest.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And the observer will mainly be devoted to those areas.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So this is a fascinating quote because I think it took him one issue in February to kind of go back on that word because I read ahead in 1985.

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[SPEAKER_00]: is on the the Cindy Lopper Routie Routie Piper angle because I think Vince McMahon gets them on good morning America to promote that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so he's already talking about them in February.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So whatever situation this was at the end of the year in 84,

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[SPEAKER_00]: It is looking that like it's already changed in 85, but maybe maybe he did like stop watching tapes and stuff for a little while, but he still had to cover it because WWE F is just kind of ready to explode in 1985.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and he's just pouting, I mean, once one social media became a thing, you know, everybody pounced on social media.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Now he didn't have that, you know, his forum was the newsletter.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So how many people have we seen that have a meltdown and then they they love our social video for like a week and then they come back, you know, it's like,

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[SPEAKER_01]: So, I was doing this part of his frustrated, his favorite product is going away while one of his least favorite products is kind of becoming the thing, nationally, so yeah, he just uses upset and I think at this point he's not even 30 yet so, you know, he still has that kind of like little kid kind of you know complaining kind of thing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: which we all do at some point.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Some of us still, when we're older, um, so yeah, and then he just keeps comes back.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, it happens, you know?

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[SPEAKER_01]: And maybe he was also just burned out, because he's doing different things, because we forget this wasn't his only source of income, you know, he's also doing other things to make a living at this point.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And at that time, in history, we don't have the terms like burnout.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We haven't connected the mental health aspect to just needing some self care, right, and some time off.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So, it just doesn't really know how to communicate that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And he doesn't like how everybody was doing it at that time.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Just how he did just kind of venting.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So, you know, for relief.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So that's all it was.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's how I read it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I've seen a lot of people who are hardcore hardcore WWE fans and who were all, you know, the bloodline was cinema, Cody Rhodes finishing his story was the greatest thing I've ever seen and then you fast forward to 2025 and they weren't as locked in and that is part of the burnout.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Now, WWE is not going to be

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[SPEAKER_00]: hitting on all cylinders all the time, you know, if we look back in time and, you know, because we, we complained about 2025, a fair amount when it came to their creative.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But if we had 2025 in the mid 2000s or the 2010s, we would have been happy because WWE, E by comparison, 15 years ago, was so bad compared to 2025.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so, you know, some of

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[SPEAKER_00]: And if you didn't get your fill with WWE, you have this other company that may or may not be your cup of tea.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So there are options or there's stuff like what we do, we just talk about the old stuff.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You can, you know, if you decided that you're wrestling content in 2025 or 2026 was simply going to be watching old tapes,

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[SPEAKER_00]: you have so much to choose from, you'd never have to watch a new product.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And in 1984, what would Dave have been watching?

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[SPEAKER_00]: He can't be watching like 1968, buddy Rogers or something.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They take, they take, they take the over those tables, which is a tragedy.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Speaking of which, rest in peace, WWE network and the archives, because they go down today.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So that's kind of a big deal to me.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Thankfully, WWE both on YouTube is amazing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They put a lot of stuff up there.

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[SPEAKER_01]: For anybody that needs their fix of all stuff, go to WWE both on YouTube and...

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[SPEAKER_01]: And just enjoy that because I don't know when our kids are going to come back, if ever, I definitely hope Netflix doesn't pick it up because they're not going to do anything with us.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So they're going to pick and choose.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, thankfully, I have my own vast library that I collected over the last 30 years myself on DVD.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But I hadn't, I hadn't whipped those out of years, man.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'd have to, now I have to go and whip a bottle of the commercial show.

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[SPEAKER_01]: because it's not that that's that's going away.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, I mean, it's it's it's interesting.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, we're going off the theater.

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[SPEAKER_00]: What you just said about the archives.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So as we are recording, this is the last day that WWE has the or that WWE's on peacock, at least the archives.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so I've been watching star cad 84 through through peacock.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I turned it on because I needed to finish like the last bit of it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It was already gone.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The only starcade left when I turned it on this morning on peacock was of all ones, a starcade 96 with the Hogan and Piper.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That was the only one that was up.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I didn't even get to finish starcade 84, not that I haven't watched it before, but I kind of wanted to watch a steamboat and telly because that was like literally the only good match in the whole show.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, I saw a whole thing so yeah, well we'll talk about circuitity for at the end of this, but yeah, like this idea of archives, I think WWE.

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[SPEAKER_00]: should finally take their archive seriously because there's an opportunity and let me lean into your YouTube idea.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Now, look, if ESPN wants to pay them $200 million a year for this to keep this archive like take it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's free money.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We know that getting people to watch archives is actually really hard.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They do it for research purposes like us or if they're not happy

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[SPEAKER_00]: but YouTube is going to go bonkers pretty soon.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Something near and dear to your heart, they acquired the rights to the Oscars in a few years.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, that's a pretty big deal, right for for YouTube, which people,

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[SPEAKER_00]: don't really hadn't really taken seriously and still don't to some extent, but it is it is the most used service video service in the world that's bigger than Netflix as far as, you know, overall usage.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So if I was WWE, I would blow up these archive channels and I might even

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[SPEAKER_00]: offer some subscription prices to take off ads like I would actually pay for it if and maybe you can do that through YouTube itself and or whatever to take the ads off and maybe it's not that big of a deal but I would offer the the currently continue doing the vault the way that they're doing but I would actually create social around it so that people know what's coming up because you have all of these guys today think about who all their main

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[SPEAKER_00]: All these dudes are over 40 and who have so much content already in the WWE library.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You could create so many opportunities not only to show the old stuff, but to kind of promote the new stuff at the same time.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I like I've always had a we've always had these grandiose ideas about what WWE could do with their archive, but I would really I would really utilize YouTube to its fullest because I think more people

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[SPEAKER_00]: Today and in the future are just going to be way more dialed into YouTube as as you and I get older.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So that would be my that would be my idea for them.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But all right, let's get back to this.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So here's an interesting story that I never heard and I think this is a little bit of in you and no, but Dave wanted to print it as well.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I think this is the December timeframe.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And he said, now this is in hindsight because it didn't happen, he wrote that there was an incredible amount of talk prior to the last Madison Square Garden show that Hulk Hogan would lose the title to Big John stud via count out, but it didn't materialize.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He says rumors say Hulk will lose it before the end of the year and go to Hollywood.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But since he didn't lose it to stud Dave probably thinks it's not going to happen, there's a there's a TV series now want to know if you've seen this or heard of this called Goldie and the bears.

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[SPEAKER_00]: No, Dave said, Dave writes, if Hulk's TV series, Goldie and the Bears is picked up by ABCTV, he'd already have to be in production.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So the idea is not that Hulk is just, no, you know what it's like, he shot a pilot and then you can get picked up because, you know, people should pilot all the time.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So that's what it seems like, because they've talking about the pilot's already been shocked and says if they pick it up, things are not at the

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[SPEAKER_01]: But back then, I'm trying to think that sounds very Vince Russoish, the way they wanted to get to fall off a little bit back then, I don't think we had any kind of like fuck finish like that just yet, you know?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Obviously, they would become the norm, but they added to that, but

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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, back then we didn't have that whole wacky losing the title by cow now or any of that stuff.

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[SPEAKER_01]: There were still even even even even that territory, which was very much like not as traditional as the other ones.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, they still protected the title, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then you had to do it with been fine on that stuff.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So, uh, yeah, I don't know.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's weird that it would happen in 84 like that way, which is losing by cow now.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They actually did turn it into a TV movie.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Hulk Hogan is fourth from the top.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He plays a character called Mack McKenna.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Golding Stephanie Ferrisi who I don't know, plays Goldie Hawkins, Julius Carey.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It looks like he was probably young man at that time.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then Ben Davidson, I think he's played for the Raiders.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's Thomas Rino Reiner.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And yeah, so this is a whole TV pilot that I guess they just turned into a TV movie.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm sure it was broadcast somewhere in a... You know, you know, you know what's a trip about the 80s man.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know if you remember this, but they used to be, there used to be this stereotype that football players and wrestlers were a bunch of Americans.

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[SPEAKER_01]: right, that they weren't very smart, you know, that you could hear the ocean if you put your ear next to their ear.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So there was a lot of these comedies that exploited these big muscle heads as being airheads and you were right comedies around them.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then you had, you know, yeah, it's like this is what this was about.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like it was just, you know, a bunch of airheads right around and getting into situations because they don't have a brain.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And that was, you saw a lot of

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[SPEAKER_00]: I am actually going to, I found it on YouTube.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm gonna put the link in our chat here.

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[SPEAKER_00]: 45 minute pilot, it's out there on YouTube if you wanna watch Hulk Hogan in as young prime.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I thought it was about Sterling Golding, which I was in there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, I guess if you are thinking about television and you see Thunderlips, you're like, oh, this dude is actually kind of a big deal.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Now that was it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I was any three.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So he's still he's doing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's still very much in the conscious of culture.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And if you think about Hogan's acting career for a second, like he was never better than he was.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't want to think of what is acting.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, but like if you think about, you know, as you age, you should get better at your, you know, what you're doing in acting, but like his first role as Thunderlips does the best thing he ever did.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean, yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean, there's something that like, like his comedy chop forward to ballet or all, but that's because, again, he was to be booked to be kind of like a book.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So, like I still get a kick of suburbic combat.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But I watched like a year ago, it was a too bad, you know, it's just, if you know what you're getting into, you know, but all the other Mr. Danny wasn't that bad, but all the other ones are horrible.

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[SPEAKER_01]: His WCW was just, they're just a watchable,

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you know, what he has the flat top with those three ninjas movies.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The, um, just the idea that said to wrestle with the flat top for like, like, no reason, like, literally, he just rolled up with the flat top with it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, it was so, it was so savage could take it off and goof with him and then put it on his own head during the match.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Imagine, like, that would never allow that, like, with no context within the wrestling universe, you just show up with a different, with different hair, you know, it's just weird.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, not only that, not only would Vince not allow it, think about if MJF in a paper view main event that you were supposed to take seriously.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, took off someone's wig and put it on his own head.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He would be crucified by today's audience, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, oh, you should not serious enough.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but I'm not going to be on, which is the conversation for another day.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But I remember, this is related to a question I'm going to ask you in a few minutes, but someone reminded me, remember when MJF was trying to get over the kangaroo kick?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And like people were mad because they're like, oh, he's not taking wrestling seriously.

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[SPEAKER_00]: This is stupid.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like he's, he's making a joke out of the whole thing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So the like today's wrestling audiences is much less forgiving about that stuff.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So that, that's that wrestling audience.

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[SPEAKER_01]: If it was WWE, they would've made a sure out of it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It would've been the biggest part of the match because remember, the WWE audiences are into spots.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's the thing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's what, that's the way the WWE style is, it looks the same over because they're, they're into, you know, you build to those spots.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It just, if he was, if he would have gotten the kind of kickover in the WWE, whereas a WWE's out of the work rate, so you can't do that there, for sure.

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[SPEAKER_00]: All right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So the, the next thing I want to talk about is pro wrestling USA.

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[SPEAKER_00]: When did you remember when you first heard about this idea of these companies, these non-WWF companies trying to get together to compete against WVF?

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[SPEAKER_00]: I remember when I first read about it, I was like, why have I never heard about this?

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[SPEAKER_00]: This is a wild idea.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And the reason is is because it doesn't actually last and it's actually looked upon as, you know, these these guys are starting to be able to work together.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So so no one really brought it up sense, but do you remember when you first saw or heard about it?

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[SPEAKER_01]: No, that was before my time.

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[SPEAKER_01]: When I started watching the late 86 they were really the thing anymore.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Then.

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[SPEAKER_01]: later on, I found out about the magazine to stuff.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: What I will say is that the first time that I saw anything similar to this was with global, global champion with Joe Petissino's global from Texas, remember the gimmick?

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[SPEAKER_01]: It was called global because in K-Fade, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Everybody was, including W-W-F, which was wacky.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Everybody was a part of the global wrestling Federation, even at WWE F would never come out on screen.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then when during the the control center portion where they would get shared the news, they would make it to what what are happening in the global.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then they would talk about WWE F. Like he would talk about it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm like, what the hell's with?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Even back then as a kid, I didn't understand it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But but the cave day by day was that it was a unified Federation and everybody was it was very

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[SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, so that's the only time that I saw anybody working together.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Of course, there was a super class 88 where Jerry Lawler's company, which never really had a name by the way, it just meant this.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's Southern, if you're to plead WI, and you know, AWA trying to work it together, and that was a disaster.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, I know all about Professor USA, though.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then you know, it wasn't going to work.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He was just like, yeah, like, people knew when they put it together that they were never going to be able to book, you know, together, like who can collaborate on booking when you also have to run your own separate territories.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And this is the idea was to get this national television and move into New York and all this stuff and it, it just never really happened.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, you know, what I've done in a very Marcus way, what I've actually done, I went into this in times of boredom when I met the doctor's office or whatever.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm actually sat there and tried to, and I imagine, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: I imagine the CTK and Paul, we don't work together.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They just say they wake up and all of a sudden, it's for the fans, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: And they're putting together a super card, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: I can't even it will work like like I get stuck.

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[SPEAKER_01]: There's a point where I just get stuck because if I can rationalize it because I'm trying to use their logic I'm not I'm not being too much of a mark where everybody's are happy together.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm actually trying to use so so just in the production of the show alone they're gonna get stuck because

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[SPEAKER_01]: Tony likes to do this whole match, many videos, and then Paul likes to do this whole like 10 minute wait time between matches, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like if it's UFC.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So they're going to get stuck right there.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then just in the times, it's a disaster.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It wouldn't work, but I don't know how could they dream.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, that's not a good one.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So do you remember Dave had a guy who would write for him right at column for him.

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[SPEAKER_00]: His name was Mr. Mike.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I guess this guy also did the cartoons.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He also drew the cartoons for the white land.

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[SPEAKER_01]: All right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: No, no.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think Dave would let Mike Lanow touch.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So they were friends at the beginning and they became not friends.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't want to say enemies, but they are not their not enemies, but Lanow's a wacky character.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He's from California, by the way.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's far around here.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I know all about Mike Lanow trust me.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Mike Lanow's gimmick is to send you, whether it's an actual mail or if it's an email.

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[SPEAKER_00]: he writes the entire letter that he's meaning to send you in the subject on an email like he doesn't actually have a body to the email he writes the whole thing in the subject line or if he's writing you a personal letter he writes the entire thing on the actual envelope he doesn't actually put the letter but he's a

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[SPEAKER_00]: I've been forward and have received a few emails from him myself and it is usually about whether or not we want to use his photographs.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And yeah, the whole thing is in the subject line, like you just have to keep reading the subject line and there you go.

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[SPEAKER_00]: No, it is not him, but I did ask Dave.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I was like, what happened to this guy?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, do you know and he's like, nope, I have no idea.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm like, whoa, we need to unearth this guy.

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[SPEAKER_00]: This is a podcast topic or podcast interview subject to talk about the old days.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, kind of makes me wonder if like, maybe there was an update.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Sometimes I do think about that because how many people have come and gone from Dave's life?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, they're professional level, you know?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Because remember, the first time I called Winner that was when he talked about Wally of Agushi, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: He was like, he was my best.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He actually said the term best friend for a while.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's what he said.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm thinking, but I was younger then.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I'm thinking, how does that happen?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Now that I'm older and the thing how it happens.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But when you're younger, you think that people in your circle are going to be on forever.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You can't fathom this.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, people come in and go like that, but I can only imagine how many people they have been in a professional relationship with, and then they're just gone, you know.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He outlasts all of his friends is wrestling fans too, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, even, um,

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, someone who I was just so happy to actually be able to talk to.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I didn't even need to be in an interview just in, you know, just randomly was Mike today.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I was just going for years.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And Mike today, I think, just got exhausted in watching wrestling as well.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, I mean, I'm sure these guys never get tired of talking about it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Because Mike, too.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I was told.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So, so I don't blame him for getting exhausted.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, for sure.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But like, think about the energy

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[SPEAKER_00]: that Dave has for CMLL for AEW.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like Dave is like an excited kid waking up on Christmas to watch these paperviews sometimes, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: I told you, he's so dialed into this stuff.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But if you're Mike Tene, or I'm using Mike Tene, because he's one of Dave's friends that I've actually talked to, or in the past, Jim Cornett, or you know, Mr. Mike,

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[SPEAKER_00]: like they just don't have the stamina that big Dave does for the current product.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And you know, I can see how Dave's like, hey guys, check this out, check this out.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And they're like, the guy, you know, kicked out of three brain busters.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, why am I supposed to be excited about this?

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, like, that's probably how they see some of that stuff.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And so it is, I'm going to tell what I think the secret is here.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think I'm not sure.

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[SPEAKER_01]: David is always in the future to a degree that's kind of bothersome in the way because it's hard to pick his brain, but David is always in the future.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He's never in the past.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And so the point where he was, he just was, I'm surprised you've got to have to talk about some of this stuff because he doesn't like it necessarily.

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[SPEAKER_01]: like Brian has tried like you know because Brian's watching a lot of old stuff and he wants to get and he just I mean he'll say like like like he just kind of wants to move on right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I don't have time to watch the old stuff Yeah, but he doesn't even like to think about the old stuff that's a theory He doesn't want to think about because he's so think is like why that's in the past let's talk about the future Well the stories he'll talk about stories of the past or his report because I remember one of the most fun episodes ever did with him

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[SPEAKER_00]: was when so actually two.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So we went back and read the Donahue thing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You remember that when when I we he and I watched it together and then we talked about it and then there was some stuff around Ted Turner where he he kind of was able to really go back into the recess of recesses of his memory.

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[SPEAKER_00]: What he doesn't

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[SPEAKER_00]: is watch a lot of old wrestling because he thinks it doesn't age well compared to what we're watching.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I think he has to like put himself back in that time.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But when like you said, when he's so looking forward to the future, that's probably a little bit harder for him to do than it is for us.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's probably looking for

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, he's probably seeing a bunch of holes and stuff and like why did they, you know, why why is this wrestled three minutes, like do he's just looking for stuff like that probably, but Or that's just.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, very much so but yeah, so a guy they've zaged mark enough for like a kind of flutter, right, which is the boy that is pushing right now Yeah, you know like Jim for that's not gonna do that and all these other my today's because they're always in the past They're always kind of like holding on to like we're wrestling used to be and days over here like that's gone It's not focused about that and yeah, but there are some thing they lose his life like that I'm assuming of course that is not just with wrestling.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's just life in generous like

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[SPEAKER_00]: What do you think about his fashion?

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[SPEAKER_00]: You think he's fashion-forward?

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[SPEAKER_01]: No, that's not a different story.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, who else is like that?

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's Paul Hayman.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Paul Hayman is another guy that's kind of like, because in any of his payments, like he doesn't want to talk about E.C.W.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And that in the way where the topic is burned down.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Because that's a way of like, that's dead.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, let's talk about the future.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, Paul Hayman's also very much future-oriented.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and I think what I try to learn from these guys, right, from the All-Hames and even the big days is like, I should take that advice.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe we should focus on our future because the past is the path that has gone.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You know?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And so I did that's the secret.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think that's why they kind of stays excited for these things.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I still don't understand how he doesn't burn out.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe he doesn't, but he just kind of pushes through it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Because everybody burges out.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, Brian Alvarez burges out.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We all burred out.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I haven't watched wrestling in two weeks, two, three weeks now, you know, and it's like, what Dave just keeps on going.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And in a citrus, they just weird.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, like he said, there's only, even he says that there's only one date.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I just wanted to shout out for Nando who's always supporting us in these live streams.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And also, I think we recorded early enough for Dazzet to be able to watch us live.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I know he's a supporter of this after the fact I see his comments after a little bit.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Ag, man.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But NASA.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, NASA is a OG like one of the early F4W, uh, when we go to Vegas and such.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So shout out to NASA who's hanging out in the chest.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's probably one of those one to 100 in the, in the, in the board.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And that for the, you know, you get from one to I think I'm like number like 500 and I'm pretty early to it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'll do.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I told Tony leader.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I said, if you delete my original account,

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I can create a new account, I'll come back to the board, because I don't even want to go back and wonder what I was commenting on in 2005.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, you're funny, you're one through 100 because that's what he opened it, the board.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I was like two weeks, I think, after he had opened it, I subscribed.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So, okay, now, so the reason why I pointed out Mr. Mike is because Mr. Mike covered the pro wrestling USA TV taping.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And Mr. Mike's consensus was,

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[SPEAKER_00]: Rick Flare needed to be there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Randy Savage was also there and was not used.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Otherwise, he was like, what separates this from anything that we're currently watching on TV?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, how are they going to outdo WWE F if they're not even using Rick and all the stuff.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So that was his consensus about pro wrestling USA.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So okay.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So we've been talking about all the

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[SPEAKER_00]: Blackjack, Mulligan, and Barry Wyndham, or NWF, and Davis surprised about Barry, because he thought Barry was gonna be a future NWA champion.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Also, Mike Rotunda jumped, and as we know, Rotunda and Barry Wyndham would be a short-lived tag team.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then the bulldogs who we had mentioned were in WWE or WF, they're already done with these guys.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They're like out.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't remember that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I was trying to think about when I would have first seen the bulldogs.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I guess it wasn't until like mid-85 or something like post-Russomania would have been the first time so then when we're talking about them being in at the end of 84, like I've no memories of that, I've memories of the dynamite kid match against the cobra, which I think was around that time.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But together as a tag team, I don't really remember them.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I think dynamite was just unhappy with how that they were being used.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so he was like, all right, we're out.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We're just going to go

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know if you've read this book or you have this book, but I started reading the British Bulldogs book that came out in 2025.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so you get your early Tom Billington, the jealousy between he and Davey like was according to the author started almost immediately because of how how they were both trained and such.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I'm in the very early stages of that book, but I'm

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, were they thinking when they signed the big money to come to WWE F?

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[SPEAKER_00]: All right, so other other stuff around this timeframe in WWE F. Dave said, George Scott and his increasing power was possibly a good thing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Because it took some stuff off in Spickman's plate and I find that to be fascinating if we compare it to today's wrestling because what is a common criticism of Tony Khan, which is he does not allow people to do things.

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[SPEAKER_00]: for his own reasons.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And the one thing that he always says is, you know, every time the booking gets better for AEW, Tony Khan has the same story, which is, yeah, I took it back over because I let some people do some stuff and now I took it back over.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's why it's better.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But there are other things that, you know, if he's so wants to be still controlling of the booking, like why don't you give other stuff to other people because it, you know,

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[SPEAKER_00]: Right, ring of honor, one of them.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think some of the women's division stuff could be promoted a little bit better.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, just look at the product.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know how much she's in.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know what they need and you're going to get upset.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But you're going to, you're going to kind of maybe not agree with this statement.

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[SPEAKER_01]: What told you me, it's like a bruised preacher on his side.

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[SPEAKER_01]: A guy that's a producer, a producer, not a radar, a guy that could see the bigger picture to make the wrestlers larger than life, because that's what Bruce does.

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[SPEAKER_01]: When he was at his prime, like when he was really, think about all the classic idiots that we got, but when we were kids, think about the theme, like, all that stuff came from Bruce, and that's his gift, you know, and so

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[SPEAKER_01]: that Tony needs a guy that thinks outside the box like that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, how could we get so and so to be more over?

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[SPEAKER_01]: How could we get so and so?

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, because I think about, remember, I'm still I'm bored in the doctor's office on, but you know, you know, you know what, one of the things that I like that we did that that would work for the women.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It just, like, remember when they had Lacey Evans just show up there and tell her story and they got her over and then they punched that?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, have some of these women, like, like, you know, like, will a line and go, just stand there and discover story as a person, as a female, coming up in the business, you know?

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, you don't have to get too controversial, but just enough to connect as the real person with the audience.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, things like that, you know, they vote, they vote, or do they, they're back in the end to error with Mick Foley and Dustin, where they, where they were doing these videos every week talking about their life.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, that works.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I guess people over you know, things like that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, but 20 needs a guy like that because he doesn't have that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And that's what we have this match after match after match after match.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And it is, that's boring to me.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Do you think that Tony Khan, the fan, his brain of the fan rather than the promoter dictates AEW TV too much.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, the fact, right, and then the fat of the wrestling observant newsletter.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.

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[SPEAKER_00]: What do you think of, so, okay, so he had this quote the other day and like I, I'm only reading Twitter clips.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I don't want to take anything out of context about what he said, but the just of what I saw was he said, he loves keeping up with the minute to minute.

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[SPEAKER_00]: of dynamite.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But collision to him is just a show about wrestling that he wants people to watch collision to say, hey, if you want to watch a great match or a great show of wrestling matches, go watch collision.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Now, I understand that philosophy, but if you look at the difference in the ratings from dynamite to collision, basically what he is saying is that,

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[SPEAKER_00]: the obsessiveness of dynamite is what actually works with viewers and maybe the wrestling matches is not going to work with viewers.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Now there's other stuff like time slot and everything.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But I thought it was interesting because sometimes

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[SPEAKER_00]: Sometimes he doesn't say anything.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like I think someone asked him about the the moxley storyline and the death writers and what it was about and he went on this like whole thing about.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think people are, you know, from day one, they've been like not really sure about that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm like, dude, you're the one telling the story.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I'm not sure because the story has changed 30 different times, think so.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And but but sometimes he almost says too much I feel like and that that was one of those times.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, well, I mean, that's how I figured it was.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I figured that Dynamite was the show that you paid attention to more so than collision and collision was just kind of your wrestling fans dream kind of show of work rate matches.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But it does say something when Dynamite does two and two and a half times the viewership that collision does.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So it's just an interesting thing that he made mention of your Bruce Richard idea

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[SPEAKER_01]: is I wonder now, for an angle size is a bruise pressure type.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I didn't say little bruise pressure.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, can't be bruised, Richard.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, exactly the that bruise though, you know, if Paul got sick of bruise, I'm sure Bruce would, uh, you know, what would turn AEW baby face to get a job.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's how many times he had to do that, like just just to eat it and come back and pretend like nothing happened before.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's the business though for him.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, well, he turned here on WWE because he never thought he wasn't a comeback on his podcast, but I think he came back and I don't know I don't know I stopped listening when he came back because I knew at that point he wasn't going to say anything.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So he stopped listening to that Yeah, I've been I've been I listened one time.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We are on a road trip.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think we're going to LA for one of those Long Beach New Japan shows and so it's kind of like a road trip with a bunch of dudes And we we've put on one of the fur like one of the something to wrestle with shows

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[SPEAKER_00]: And by about the 20th minute of ads in the first hour, I was like, I'm out.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I cannot do this.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like this is like, I'm listening to bull.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But no, your Bruce Richard idea.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So to somebody who's a little bit outside of the AEW sandbox from a thinking perspective, I think is good.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The problem is that person will probably get frustrated because Tony definitely wants to stay within that sandbox.

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[SPEAKER_00]: they've gotten critiqued really hard by their own audience.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like think of MJF and Adam Cole in the brochacho's, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: That is the outside of the A. I love that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I love that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And if you look back, AEW hardcore fans will say that that was some of the worst thing that they'd cause it's too much like WWE, we don't want to watch WWE, like that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's a hard thing that Tony does have to gatekeep for.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but okay, but that's fine, but then it becomes a choice, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: So what is it that you want?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like do you want this small sandbox where you're never going to hit a million?

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, viewers or do you want to try to expand?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like that's the question.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not going to sit here and try to convince anybody of anything.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like to me, it's like,

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[SPEAKER_01]: It is just a choice, like, what isn't that you want?

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[SPEAKER_01]: And if the answer is, you want to stay in the small sandbox, where you're having 20 minutes, you know, for limb matches all the time, okay, fine.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's that choice, but here are the consequences of that choice.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You're looking at 200,000 viewers, the max, you know, on the Saturday night.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So that's it, that's all it is, it's a choice.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And that's something that Tony Khan,

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[SPEAKER_01]: doesn't, he doesn't have to answer to anybody.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So you can do whatever you want, whether they're making money or not.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So that's where I'm back.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like somebody like Bruce Pritcher, some producer that comes in, and those have to promote the, the, the, the, the wrestlers beyond the wrestling, that's going to get you more eyeballs and more interest, you know?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, and now here's a deeper

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[SPEAKER_00]: Just Tony really want to have a bigger sandbox or is it easier to stay in the small he's already rich right he's already he's already done.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Uber race, not just rich.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's already done five times as much in the wrestling business, then anybody thought he would ever do.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's created this company that is good competition, but also it has expanded the the environment for for jobs and for the workforce and the wrestling business.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So he's already done beyond what people were even thinking he could do.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Is he just comfortable, is he cool?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, is he like, hey, this is what I've always wanted to do because if he does, you know, think about being as big as WWE and think about what all of that brings so much more attention, so much more criticism, so much more expectation.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, WWE had the single most successful year in the history of their company from a business standpoint.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And lots of people are trying to say that they had a bad year.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Now, there's creative stuff that's mixed in there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But think of that pressure.

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[SPEAKER_00]: maybe he's happy being in the sandbox.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, he also doesn't seem like something that takes criticism well, so maybe he is.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, well, that's fine.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And maybe I agree with you.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Everything you just said, maybe that's his thing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He never has to make money.

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[SPEAKER_01]: There's no, that that's his toy.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We talked about it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So, that's fine.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I enjoy his wrestling.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like I watch it, you know, I'm not 100% invested.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I would like a little more storylines.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But, um,

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, it is what it is, but another thing that I like this, for example, when the young bugs and the young bugs as comedy guys are amazing to me, they're just, I get a kick out of it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And when they were doing the whole, you know, we're losing money and we're carrying the satchel of like money all over the place, see that I like that stuff, that's kind of like the Bruce Preachery stuff right there, because, you know, you're giving us reasons to like

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[SPEAKER_01]: Just focusing on work rate, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's a whole other understanding of wrestling.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And most of your casual audience doesn't have time to learn about that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: This is simply with movies, with films, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: I get frustrated because I'm all about the great films.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then people are over here talking about how Minecraft was the greatest thing I've ever seen.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Bro, that's trash.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That movie was so bad, but my stepkids were saying the punchlines before they were coming.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's right and I get it that makes money.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I get it so but in order to appreciate a great film You have to be almost trained and it sounds not bitch.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I get it you have to learn the ads and flows of good story time It's empty with wrestling if you're gonna sit there and watch a match you have to understand the purpose of what things are happening You would stuff like that and so your casual families doesn't have time for that You have to visually stimulate them through a language they're gonna understand right so that means

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[SPEAKER_01]: be more performative, you know, more of a soap opera kind of thing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, and so the A. W. doesn't have that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Is there a choice?

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[SPEAKER_01]: And they're going to stay in that small sandbox forever.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, you're not going to have a Steve Austin come and come around, you know, in that form of rest.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You just not, it just doesn't happen.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, because Steve Austin got over because of the whole, like, feeling with vents and all the wacky things that were happening, you know, weekend and we got.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So, yeah, it's just a choice.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And that's where he decides to be that that's fine.

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[SPEAKER_00]: What was your most fulfilling popcorn movie in 2025?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Probably one of the Marvel movies because not much each Marvel nerd, so I would have to be either, I think Thunderbolt's was.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I really enjoyed it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I thought you were gonna say F1.

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[SPEAKER_01]: No, I was fun too.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That was all like, it was so generic, but it was fun.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But he got over because they were the how generic it was.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, I'm really into the IMAX gimmick these days because I'm just like, if I'm going to see a movie, I might as well see it on the best screen possible.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so watching F1 on IMAX was a, was a really fun experience.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's a great gimmick.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Are you more of IMAX or don't be cinema?

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[SPEAKER_00]: I, I, I look, IMAX first and then I look, don't be cinema second.

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[SPEAKER_01]: OK, but it's hard to just watch a regular movie that theater now, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it is.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Because we had to see, we went to Arizona for Thanksgiving.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I wanted to take my niece and my stepdaughter and my wife to, in my sister, to see Wicked, the second one, which wasn't that good.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But to see it on the small, like little screen, I was like, I don't feel like we got our fill.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But anyways, all right, let's move on.

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[SPEAKER_00]: uh... Jesse the body i forgot or maybe i didn't realize how long this blood clot thing went on because what i remember i think he was in was he was in one of the first Saturday night made event matches

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[SPEAKER_00]: There was like a triple threat like him and Roddy, and maybe against the Uncle Elmer and cousin looking on us, but I really remember him wrestling in 85.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I know he comes back, but he does have black and very long.

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[SPEAKER_01]: No, no, he tried to wrestle.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, he's a book by the 15 times in 85.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So Jesse is out with a blood clot and Dave takes a shot at WWE in a very sideways way.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He goes, they're still paying a salary, but I'm not sure if it's them or if it's Jesse's insurance.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, you know what, it was a blessing because they they try to monitor the commentators.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Booth and he became the battery.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, what did you think about him almost not not quite making the Observer Hall of Fame?

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[SPEAKER_01]: while I'm keeping up with that anymore, but I didn't know he came back very close.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He should be in it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He should be in it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, what do you want me to say?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Seth Robinson, Seth Robinson, him should be in it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know why.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think Seth will get in.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I do think Jesse will get in.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And you know who else I think will get in.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe the Dave's dismay is gorilla.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I hope so.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you know should be in fabulous bullish should be in, but that's that it's like it's like every hall of faith.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They're not always fair.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The.

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[SPEAKER_00]: the Bryan Solomon book that I know people are really jazzed about.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I still have to finish that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I started it, but the beginning of the book is like the history of Gorilla's family and where they came from.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So it reads kind of like a history textbook and I'm like, okay, I'm going to stop.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I need to get in the right mindset, but I want to get back to it because I've heard nothing with good things.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And LaRaca, he wants to read that book and Bryan Solomon, who I didn't realize worked

53:32.086 --> 53:35.309
[SPEAKER_00]: he worked, he worked on like the magazine or something.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So he interviewed LaRaca not too long ago.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So they have a little bit of a relation.

53:41.114 --> 53:47.200
[SPEAKER_00]: So I told John, I go, let's blow through this gorilla book and then we'll bring on Solomon to talk about it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So that'll be fun if we actually get to do that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: All right.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But Gino, Gino, the thing is that he was forget about the commentary thing.

53:55.248 --> 53:58.971
[SPEAKER_01]: Even

53:59.474 --> 54:03.719
[SPEAKER_01]: But he was also a businessman, he was also in the office.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He's very influential in a lot of things that went right with the WWE after doing that time.

54:09.086 --> 54:12.491
[SPEAKER_01]: So there's more to Gino than just like, oh, he was a horrible commentator.

54:13.171 --> 54:15.434
[SPEAKER_01]: And he was also a draw.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, he drew money when he was a wrestler.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, he needs to be re-evaluated and be put into the Hall of Fame Seth Rollins.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm gonna die on that, I'll for sure.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Seth is going to get in.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's a hunter.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm talking about now, do like now, he should have been like it's a little they just wait this long, you know, okay, the punk just barely got in this year.

54:34.776 --> 54:40.982
[SPEAKER_01]: But then, but okay, but then that tells you that I'm trying to bring up the violence of that whole faith because why is can you make it?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Why is can you make it and and again, this is not, let's not argue.

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[SPEAKER_01]: How can you make it doesn't deserve to get it because he does.

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[SPEAKER_00]: because he was in the beginning of starting competition to WWE.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's why it's less to me.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's less about and not that much less, because the New Japan itself was awesome, but it's that, but it's also creating helping Choney in the box and

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[SPEAKER_00]: you know to an extent moxie and Jericho create a w like that's where they get in as like trend setting pioneers in that way but also yes the backdrop of being the greatest wrestler of your time but that is also what Seth doesn't have.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, it's short.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, my God.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But now I'm going to feed into your Seth argument, which is Seth working for WWE, like if Seth wanted to be the greatest wrestler of his era, he could not do it in WWE because the style is limiting the ceiling of what that is to today's wrestling fan base.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But if Seth was like, yeah, I'll go to New Japan or I'll go to AEW.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Seth could have been having those matches 100.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But okay, but now you're focused on matches.

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[SPEAKER_01]: What about drawing money?

56:12.298 --> 56:17.490
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, like, Seth has drawn more money than Kenny Omega, Seth has been bigger stages than Kenny Omega.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Hey, it's like, it's like, but it was.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's like a Japanese baseball player, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like he spent, let's say a Japanese baseball player went and played in Japanese league and then he went to the winter league and he had this amazing numbers wherever he went.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's he just didn't go to the major leagues, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: And let's say there was a world Hall of Fame for not just the MLBs, it's a world Hall of Fame which was more prestigious than the MLB Hall of Fame.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So he would be there.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But let's say somebody like who's like who's like also rank kind of player that it's almost there But not really I'm trying to think because there's so many of them and I get Scott's got rolling would have fit that but you got it so

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, anyways, I just feel like we shouldn't use it's so unfair to you said Ronald is being in the WWE against him wanting to the rest of the world.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think about how that sounds like it is.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, but here's the argument.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Now, you can actually do the comparison

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[SPEAKER_00]: have gotten in before him and what the observer voting base now remember this is not just day voting it's a lot of people voting in.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not doing it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, but you think Jeff Jarrett is is influenced by by Dave voting based on the local right there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, I mean, I don't know.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm assuming that Jeff voted in the past.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I hope so, because I'm just strict Jeff a lot.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But, I mean, you, the Jeff, you know, Jeff was very outwardly negative on the John scene of tap, right?

57:57.630 --> 58:04.257
[SPEAKER_00]: He was one of the current guys in wrestling today who actually spoke out against John Cena tapping out the way that he did.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So, Jeff, Jeff, if Jeff, if Jeff, I'm sure Jeff has voted in the past, I don't know if he's a current voter, but

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[SPEAKER_00]: My point is, is that if you are looking at it from the perspective of who are sets peers in WWE who got in, punk, Cody, Roman Reigns, all of those guys met more to Vince's bottom line and to the current WWE's bottom line, then Seth has a singular player.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Seth is more like the triple H.

58:34.739 --> 58:38.644
[SPEAKER_00]: to the rock and stone cold argument and triple H did get in.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's so sets going to get in.

58:40.607 --> 58:41.888
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, they better have died.

58:41.928 --> 58:42.149
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But Seth is not bigger than Roman Cody or or or punk.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He has actually helped those guys become.

58:53.564 --> 58:54.665
[SPEAKER_01]: What about Randy Ordin?

58:55.666 --> 59:00.072
[SPEAKER_00]: It's a tough one because I voted Randy Ordin and Edge for years and years and years and

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[SPEAKER_01]: more surrounding the edge because I can understand edge edge was in a we you know retired for a few years.

59:08.719 --> 59:19.478
[SPEAKER_01]: There's a I could I wish edge was that he should be it but he I could see why but around the order has been consistent for 20 some years big top draw and like made a lot of money.

59:20.150 --> 59:48.756
[SPEAKER_01]: respected right you know this respected internally maybe not so much by the fans because they he's not he's not barbaric and his work rate but internally everybody praises right the orders work rate is because he knows what to do when to do it he you know he slowest molasses what he's in the ring yeah but I mean he's he knows how to work right so he should be for sure I think I'm going to get in part of the problem with Randy or

59:49.647 --> 59:50.288
[SPEAKER_00]: don't go away.

59:50.748 --> 59:51.929
[SPEAKER_00]: They are always there.

59:52.530 --> 59:56.414
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, they'll Jim Cornet line about, you know, how can I miss you if you're never gone?

59:57.635 --> 01:00:01.218
[SPEAKER_00]: When Randy Orton retires, people are going to miss him.

01:00:01.739 --> 01:00:07.244
[SPEAKER_00]: And because he was a giant star, and I think that will help his candidacy, it's just people see him so much.

01:00:07.304 --> 01:00:10.608
[SPEAKER_01]: They say he's a giant even being a giant star.

01:00:11.148 --> 01:00:11.729
[SPEAKER_01]: He's not huge.

01:00:13.531 --> 01:00:14.912
[SPEAKER_00]: Edge

01:00:14.892 --> 01:00:18.644
[SPEAKER_00]: is actually still pretty good, but I think people are just tired of him.

01:00:18.664 --> 01:00:22.255
[SPEAKER_01]: They've seen him so much like, like, like, like, like, like, like, for so long, though.

01:00:22.275 --> 01:00:28.935
[SPEAKER_00]: So the, the being around doesn't, but do you think his comeback was better than the memory of him leaving, though?

01:00:29.489 --> 01:00:31.932
[SPEAKER_01]: No, he's he's the opposite of shot Michael.

01:00:31.952 --> 01:00:38.881
[SPEAKER_00]: So we're shot Michael's came back way better than we need that you know who you know who would have been an interesting case study.

01:00:39.522 --> 01:00:44.648
[SPEAKER_00]: If Jericho didn't get into the Hall of Fame when he did, I wonder if his over exposure.

01:00:44.808 --> 01:00:46.671
[SPEAKER_00]: And we're going to talk about Jericho in a little bit.

01:00:46.731 --> 01:00:50.596
[SPEAKER_00]: I wonder if his over exposure would have hurt his candidacy, but he got in when he got in.

01:00:50.656 --> 01:00:51.717
[SPEAKER_00]: So he's in.

01:00:51.697 --> 01:01:00.605
[SPEAKER_00]: But, you know, just the idea of like, oh my god, like current 2025, Chris Jericho, a lot of fans kind of treat that guy as a joke.

01:01:00.625 --> 01:01:07.070
[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm like, man, this is Chris, you know, what politically whatever you want to say about his politics, I'm talking strictly about his...

01:01:07.090 --> 01:01:12.715
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't have a lot of controversy besides his policy, I have accusations which were never verified or nothing like that.

01:01:12.735 --> 01:01:14.817
[SPEAKER_01]: But, so there was a lot of stuff.

01:01:14.837 --> 01:01:21.703
[SPEAKER_01]: I kind of feel bad for him because if that's not true, like, imagine all the shit he had with you with,

01:01:21.683 --> 01:01:41.481
[SPEAKER_01]: But to his credit, he looks about 20 years younger now that he's running around losing all that weight and I want to stop drinking as much like as you and I know as we as we get older, you got to be a little bit more mindful of that I am not drinking coffee and I'm not going to drink all day to day on New Year's Eve.

01:01:41.501 --> 01:01:42.603
[SPEAKER_01]: That was a big thing for me.

01:01:42.624 --> 01:01:43.405
[SPEAKER_01]: I look at the water

01:01:43.587 --> 01:01:56.103
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm gonna, I told Crystal, my wife, that uh, uh, like the last few years whenever we got to a restaurant, I was always trying to try different whiskey or bourbon cocktails.

01:01:56.123 --> 01:02:07.057
[SPEAKER_00]: So I was like, okay, 2023 was gonna be the year of the old fashioned and last year was the year of the Manhattan and this year, 2023's gonna be the year of the Monte Carlo.

01:02:07.237 --> 01:02:13.425
[SPEAKER_00]: So whenever we go

01:02:14.047 --> 01:02:15.871
[SPEAKER_00]: isn't just that you're drinking.

01:02:16.673 --> 01:02:20.803
[SPEAKER_00]: It's that it causes you to be less mindful about eating.

01:02:21.866 --> 01:02:25.655
[SPEAKER_00]: And because you're buzzed and you want to kill the buzz sometimes.

01:02:25.715 --> 01:02:27.400
[SPEAKER_00]: So what do you need something?

01:02:27.720 --> 01:02:29.705
[SPEAKER_00]: And so it's just they don't work great together.

01:02:29.725 --> 01:02:30.908
[SPEAKER_00]: So that's what.

01:02:30.888 --> 01:02:32.771
[SPEAKER_00]: That's really what you have to be mindful of.

01:02:32.791 --> 01:02:33.111
[SPEAKER_00]: Right.

01:02:33.211 --> 01:02:34.213
[SPEAKER_01]: He looks very healthy right.

01:02:34.573 --> 01:02:36.836
[SPEAKER_01]: It looks very young like he knocked off at least 10 years.

01:02:37.718 --> 01:02:43.726
[SPEAKER_01]: Because even back then, even recently, when he lost a lot of weight, he still looked old for faithfully.

01:02:44.167 --> 01:02:46.570
[SPEAKER_01]: Now he looks young and it's just getting off the road.

01:02:46.650 --> 01:02:47.591
[SPEAKER_01]: It's still what you always say.

01:02:47.611 --> 01:02:50.395
[SPEAKER_01]: Like all these guys, that was improved when they get off the road.

01:02:50.435 --> 01:02:51.136
[SPEAKER_01]: It looked younger.

01:02:51.297 --> 01:03:00.169
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, so yeah, except for the hardy boys for whatever reason, they just always look so much older than I think about that.

01:03:00.149 --> 01:03:25.482
[SPEAKER_00]: What about what about a you know was the opposite of all this is baseball players Have you ever noticed how they live themselves go one year after retirement like they look so different with the gray hair Okay, here's why here's why They're always wearing hat so you can never tell yeah, that's true But I remember my dad would say he was like you know who looks like the like the coolest baseball player Coward can junior

01:03:25.867 --> 01:03:37.466
[SPEAKER_00]: You put that guy in normal clothes and you take off the hat and he just looks like an old man like he's always say that And it's true like Matt Williams like Matt Williams same thing that dude's got his tight his ball cap on tight.

01:03:37.486 --> 01:03:44.618
[SPEAKER_00]: He looks like the meanest man And then he takes off his hat and he's got the mean Jean Ocarlin haircut and you're like who is this guy?

01:03:46.066 --> 01:03:49.171
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but I mean, I guess that's the physique because they don't have to train anymore.

01:03:49.191 --> 01:03:51.895
[SPEAKER_01]: So that's a big difference to they got the gut going and everything.

01:03:51.915 --> 01:03:53.578
[SPEAKER_01]: So, but yeah, it's interesting.

01:03:53.638 --> 01:04:00.629
[SPEAKER_01]: But wrestlers are the opposite, but then again, they would always say wrestlers, you know, they go on the juice or whatever when they're off with their hurt.

01:04:00.650 --> 01:04:02.613
[SPEAKER_01]: So they come back looking better than with the left.

01:04:03.154 --> 01:04:03.394
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

01:04:04.015 --> 01:04:04.215
[SPEAKER_00]: All right.

01:04:04.235 --> 01:04:06.819
[SPEAKER_00]: Let's get through the rest of this stuff because I do want to get to starkate.

01:04:06.839 --> 01:04:10.285
[SPEAKER_00]: And then I have some questions about 2026 for you.

01:04:10.670 --> 01:04:14.696
[SPEAKER_00]: So Jack Reynolds was a commentator.

01:04:14.756 --> 01:04:18.902
[SPEAKER_00]: And this is, you know, we're talking about 1984 shenanigans here.

01:04:18.963 --> 01:04:22.308
[SPEAKER_00]: So Jack Reynolds does the pro wrestling USA taping.

01:04:22.348 --> 01:04:23.830
[SPEAKER_00]: He's the commentator on the taping.

01:04:24.891 --> 01:04:28.577
[SPEAKER_00]: So obviously you tap and then you're eventually going to put it on TV.

01:04:28.878 --> 01:04:30.260
[SPEAKER_00]: So what does Vince McMahon do?

01:04:30.600 --> 01:04:38.892
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, after Jack Reynolds does his pro wrestling USA taping, Vince hires him immediately and puts him on WWE tell WWE to be a television.

01:04:39.472 --> 01:04:43.317
[SPEAKER_00]: And I think these are even before the pro wrestling USA tapes go to market.

01:04:43.338 --> 01:04:48.484
[SPEAKER_00]: So you hear him on those pro wrestling USA shows and he's already working for Vince.

01:04:48.745 --> 01:04:49.846
[SPEAKER_01]: Want to chess player Vince?

01:04:49.866 --> 01:04:50.627
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, I'm talking to you.

01:04:50.647 --> 01:04:54.092
[SPEAKER_01]: I had my right is how business savvy he is doing this time.

01:04:55.000 --> 01:04:58.926
[SPEAKER_00]: Did you ever hear of the turkey tournaments?

01:04:59.607 --> 01:05:02.651
[SPEAKER_00]: I never heard of this, and I asked Big Dave on air.

01:05:02.932 --> 01:05:04.254
[SPEAKER_00]: He did not remember this.

01:05:05.175 --> 01:05:12.486
[SPEAKER_00]: These were the original reverse battle royals, but they were inside of a cage.

01:05:12.466 --> 01:05:21.320
[SPEAKER_00]: So the person who was out last or who stayed in the cage of the longest was the turkey of the match.

01:05:21.581 --> 01:05:30.816
[SPEAKER_00]: So what what they would do is they would have guys like big John stud or or Bobby Heenan as the person who would actually lose the match.

01:05:30.836 --> 01:05:33.440
[SPEAKER_00]: So the idea was to get out as soon as possible.

01:05:33.460 --> 01:05:36.204
[SPEAKER_00]: So the baby face the smart.

01:05:37.066 --> 01:05:37.967
[SPEAKER_00]: Right.

01:05:38.403 --> 01:06:01.390
[SPEAKER_00]: this is what I don't understand, which was what I always hated the WWE version of the tag team battle royal or the tag team cage match because the baby face would always be out first and then the heels would double team the other baby face and then the other baby face will run a come back in to help and it's like the psychology does never work in these matches.

01:06:01.370 --> 01:06:01.791
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.

01:06:01.831 --> 01:06:07.227
[SPEAKER_01]: Now, I don't like the taxi, but those were the diners and the money had one of those at a wrong, wrong ones.

01:06:07.307 --> 01:06:10.215
[SPEAKER_01]: And I was like, this is weird.

01:06:10.263 --> 01:06:14.149
[SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, so this the these Turkey tournaments were kind of nuts.

01:06:14.529 --> 01:06:16.012
[SPEAKER_00]: And I guess there was one show.

01:06:16.032 --> 01:06:24.064
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't remember which territory they were in or what city they were in, but they didn't allow multiple people to be in the cage.

01:06:24.965 --> 01:06:35.781
[SPEAKER_00]: So instead Vince is way of scurting around this and maybe as a FU to whatever commission what was was on board, he had like 10 cage matches.

01:06:35.761 --> 01:06:39.430
[SPEAKER_00]: of all singles matches and they all ended in like three or four minutes.

01:06:39.751 --> 01:06:42.579
[SPEAKER_00]: Like that was his FU to the commission.

01:06:43.300 --> 01:06:45.185
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not sure the fans were too happy though.

01:06:45.606 --> 01:06:46.609
[SPEAKER_00]: Right.

01:06:46.669 --> 01:06:47.070
[SPEAKER_00]: All right.

01:06:48.400 --> 01:07:01.503
[SPEAKER_00]: Eddie Mansfield, Jim Wilson, and Thunderbolt Patterson have testified before the Georgia State legislature trying to get the state to enact a wrestling commission.

01:07:01.563 --> 01:07:07.033
[SPEAKER_00]: They claim low pay, fraud, and exploitation.

01:07:07.013 --> 01:07:14.863
[SPEAKER_00]: I wouldn't even hear Jim Wilson's name until he wrote that one book and then Dave would have him on Wrestling Observer Live.

01:07:15.203 --> 01:07:16.765
[SPEAKER_00]: So this goes all the way back to eight.

01:07:16.805 --> 01:07:21.591
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, that KLB all-time great classic episode with more about it, Junior.

01:07:22.633 --> 01:07:23.854
[SPEAKER_01]: With Dr. Diesel.

01:07:24.355 --> 01:07:34.708
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you had Dr. D there and Jim Wilson, the rest is up to you,

01:07:35.549 --> 01:07:41.044
[SPEAKER_00]: Also, I want to shout out Maria Graciella, who is also a great supporter in the chat.

01:07:41.786 --> 01:07:42.709
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and she always goes in here.

01:07:42.729 --> 01:07:43.110
[SPEAKER_01]: Thank you.

01:07:43.952 --> 01:07:45.436
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, okay.

01:07:46.279 --> 01:07:48.445
[SPEAKER_00]: Here's a prelude to Saturday night's main event.

01:07:48.465 --> 01:07:51.533
[SPEAKER_00]: And again, I have access to real-time big Dave.

01:07:51.817 --> 01:07:54.700
[SPEAKER_00]: So he wrote in the end of 84.

01:07:55.001 --> 01:08:01.007
[SPEAKER_00]: TV guide ran a short item mentioning that wrestling will soon be on sports world.

01:08:01.608 --> 01:08:03.570
[SPEAKER_00]: It will indeed be Titan wrestling.

01:08:04.071 --> 01:08:08.015
[SPEAKER_00]: According to an NBC source, wrestling will not be a weekly thing.

01:08:08.495 --> 01:08:10.117
[SPEAKER_00]: Nor are there any plans for such.

01:08:10.357 --> 01:08:15.703
[SPEAKER_00]: He called it very unlikely Titan will get a weekly network show and he couldn't see his hit happening.

01:08:15.884 --> 01:08:21.790
[SPEAKER_00]: However, there are people at NBC who are hot for wrestling

01:08:21.989 --> 01:08:24.451
[SPEAKER_00]: that would become Saturday nights main event.

01:08:25.032 --> 01:08:40.926
[SPEAKER_00]: So when I asked Dave about this, he said, in hindsight, Vince always saying that if WrestleMania failed, he would went out of business is probably false because they would have had NBC ready to do Saturday nights main event.

01:08:41.106 --> 01:08:44.369
[SPEAKER_00]: And it's literally the next month right after the first WrestleMania.

01:08:44.830 --> 01:08:51.996
[SPEAKER_00]: So he's like, yeah, probably Vince, not not telling the truth on that because NBC was right there for

01:08:51.976 --> 01:09:00.088
[SPEAKER_01]: maybe taking on some debt is what they meant like Vince was like liquid up into WrestleMania throughout the chips in.

01:09:00.429 --> 01:09:05.536
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, he wouldn't have gone out of business, but he wouldn't have to take out some loans, you know, to stay afloat.

01:09:05.556 --> 01:09:08.000
[SPEAKER_01]: And then I was NBC was the same for them eventually.

01:09:08.521 --> 01:09:08.921
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

01:09:09.402 --> 01:09:12.286
[SPEAKER_01]: That's probably what they mean when they said they're going to go out of business.

01:09:12.326 --> 01:09:13.508
[SPEAKER_01]: Which is possible, you know?

01:09:14.970 --> 01:09:16.973
[SPEAKER_00]: Pressler's stretching the truth.

01:09:17.334 --> 01:09:20.278
[SPEAKER_00]: It's not the

01:09:20.731 --> 01:09:29.934
[SPEAKER_00]: He also wrote, and this is classic Dave, 2020 will be doing a segment on pro wrestling within the next month or two.

01:09:30.876 --> 01:09:37.272
[SPEAKER_00]: Eddie Mansfield will be featured, then he just capitalized, don't miss it.

01:09:37.876 --> 01:09:45.967
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, well, when does it actually air in in in 85 like what I don't know, but it's on YouTube, it's on you know, it's classic.

01:09:45.987 --> 01:09:54.598
[SPEAKER_00]: I remember the first time I saw it and I actually want to mention somebody who recently passed away who was very influential in my wrestling fandom.

01:09:56.320 --> 01:10:01.707
[SPEAKER_00]: One of my cousin, my cousin Bruce's buddies from high schools, name was Carlos.

01:10:01.687 --> 01:10:24.555
[SPEAKER_00]: When I was Scush, he would have been a senior in high school, and I was probably still in like maybe the eighth grade or something, or maybe a little bit older, because I think we went, he took me to Oakland Coliseum to see what was originally supposed to be Rick Flare and Lex Luger on the Great American Bash Tour.

01:10:25.345 --> 01:10:29.250
[SPEAKER_00]: But Rick Flair had already left for WWF.

01:10:29.931 --> 01:10:42.489
[SPEAKER_00]: And so all 2,000 people of us in the Oakland College theorem, which seats like 15,000 for wrestling, there's nothing but we want Flair chance all night long.

01:10:42.749 --> 01:10:44.471
[SPEAKER_00]: And this was kind of a bad show.

01:10:44.952 --> 01:10:45.733
[SPEAKER_00]: But

01:10:45.713 --> 01:10:51.140
[SPEAKER_00]: He had an old collection of wrestling tapes because he's like four or five years older than me.

01:10:51.701 --> 01:10:55.326
[SPEAKER_00]: And so he would just let me borrow like his old wrestling tapes.

01:10:55.787 --> 01:10:58.931
[SPEAKER_00]: And that was the first time I had seen the 2020 thing.

01:10:58.951 --> 01:11:00.793
[SPEAKER_00]: So this would have probably been like 1991.

01:11:01.354 --> 01:11:05.840
[SPEAKER_00]: And it was attached to some random wrestling matches from the mid-80s.

01:11:06.341 --> 01:11:07.582
[SPEAKER_00]: But that was the first time I saw it.

01:11:07.602 --> 01:11:10.126
[SPEAKER_00]: And I was like, oh my gosh, what is this?

01:11:10.246 --> 01:11:14.792
[SPEAKER_00]: Like just the Dr. D thing slap in him in the ear and John Stossel.

01:11:14.772 --> 01:11:37.000
[SPEAKER_00]: you know how we would do it back and back then like you just asked people did you see this whoa how like I remember asking my dad did you remember this nope you didn't remember like it was wild like you just have to sit there without any information you know as a kid back then pre internet you're just like have all these questions in your mind that just din ask people someday and then you you know you eventually figure out what what happened but

01:11:36.980 --> 01:11:46.251
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so RIP to my friend Carlos, I hadn't really been in touch with him as adults, but when I was a little kid, he was a very influential.

01:11:46.271 --> 01:11:55.283
[SPEAKER_00]: He was a big Ric Flair guy, just loved Ric Flair and, you know, not not the biggest fan of what WWE I've had turned into at that point.

01:11:55.303 --> 01:12:01.350
[SPEAKER_00]: So even then in 1991, he'd been watching wrestling since the early 80s, and he was already done kind of by.

01:12:01.330 --> 01:12:13.444
[SPEAKER_00]: you know, by the way, I know he didn't keep in touch with him, but you know, if he was still a fan now, like at least a VW, which is I do not think so, because if he was, he would have been, he would have reached out to me about stuff.

01:12:13.485 --> 01:12:14.225
[SPEAKER_00]: And he never did.

01:12:14.686 --> 01:12:18.811
[SPEAKER_00]: What, what actually happened is, I think he went to the Marines.

01:12:19.532 --> 01:12:27.321
[SPEAKER_00]: And then, so he was a Marine, he became super conservative, like really, really crazy conservative.

01:12:27.301 --> 01:12:29.123
[SPEAKER_00]: He went into boxing a little bit.

01:12:29.564 --> 01:12:32.788
[SPEAKER_00]: I think he suffered some concussions because he was not very good.

01:12:32.868 --> 01:12:34.450
[SPEAKER_00]: So he tried like later in his life.

01:12:34.490 --> 01:12:36.412
[SPEAKER_00]: He tried to get into boxing something he really liked.

01:12:37.033 --> 01:12:43.200
[SPEAKER_00]: And the last time I had even heard anything about him, he was at my parents house in Tucson.

01:12:44.101 --> 01:12:51.250
[SPEAKER_00]: And my brother-in-law said he was just spewing like magas stuff and they told him like dude, you need to stop.

01:12:51.533 --> 01:12:52.074
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

01:12:52.094 --> 01:13:01.431
[SPEAKER_00]: So he was kind of going somewhere and, you know, maybe not in a great place and that there it was probably some alcoholism possibly involved and but he was such a young dude.

01:13:01.451 --> 01:13:05.038
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't even think he was like he was maybe his mid 50s.

01:13:05.879 --> 01:13:06.541
[SPEAKER_00]: Right.

01:13:06.561 --> 01:13:07.402
[SPEAKER_00]: So it's kind of sad.

01:13:08.164 --> 01:13:08.985
[SPEAKER_00]: But all right.

01:13:10.147 --> 01:13:17.255
[SPEAKER_00]: Next, Dave writes again in capital letters with two exclamation points, bombshell.

01:13:18.095 --> 01:13:22.680
[SPEAKER_00]: It's official, Sergeant Slotter will be in the AWS starting January 13th.

01:13:23.181 --> 01:13:27.646
[SPEAKER_00]: He will be handcuffed to sheet KC during the Blackwell Brody Match in St. Paul.

01:13:28.086 --> 01:13:30.989
[SPEAKER_00]: Does that mean we'll get a Slotter Brody series this spring?

01:13:31.650 --> 01:13:35.614
[SPEAKER_00]: Even I may have to start paying attention to the AWS.

01:13:36.623 --> 01:13:39.651
[SPEAKER_01]: So it's due like during this time, that was a big gap by the AWS.

01:13:40.534 --> 01:13:47.312
[SPEAKER_01]: If it made, they write in capital letters like Danny used to do back in the day, that it's a big deal.

01:13:47.533 --> 01:13:50.622
[SPEAKER_01]: So, and we talked about in the last episode, it was a big deal.

01:13:51.083 --> 01:13:52.607
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, I mean, it's hard to chip.

01:13:52.587 --> 01:14:00.405
[SPEAKER_00]: This man had an action figure and was in a cartoon, so it just seemed like to be right up WWE F's alley, right?

01:14:00.485 --> 01:14:08.824
[SPEAKER_00]: Like you always kind of wondered, like if this was there, like why didn't they buy into it, but I guess you couldn't have Slottern Hogan in the same spot.

01:14:09.580 --> 01:14:19.754
[SPEAKER_01]: But they're, but see, and these little stories kind of remind me of how much of a genius bits was at this time because burn had so many opportunities, not just burn, like all these other promoters, right?

01:14:19.774 --> 01:14:31.791
[SPEAKER_01]: They had all these guys that you could make something with, you could capitalize on on the thing that Sarm's Lara already brought into the territory, and they just wouldn't do it, it's okay, just wrestling, it's just wrestling.

01:14:31.771 --> 01:14:50.023
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, kind of reminds me of like when I see Hardy Cameron's puppet and I just see all the money being flushed out of the toilet like to say if this was WWE they would have monetized that puppet a long time ago and made a gazillion dollars, but it's a tonic card is now which is wrestling here and so this puppet.

01:14:50.043 --> 01:14:52.567
[SPEAKER_01]: It's you know, we're not going to monetize it.

01:14:52.587 --> 01:14:53.168
[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe they have.

01:14:53.209 --> 01:14:55.633
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know, but it's just I don't think so.

01:14:56.154 --> 01:14:56.935
[SPEAKER_00]: I haven't seen that.

01:14:58.062 --> 01:15:03.231
[SPEAKER_00]: You know that my my target which had lots of A W figures back in the day.

01:15:03.271 --> 01:15:05.234
[SPEAKER_00]: No A W figures anymore.

01:15:06.296 --> 01:15:07.818
[SPEAKER_01]: Adam, so we're going backwards in a way.

01:15:09.301 --> 01:15:18.636
[SPEAKER_00]: If you were to put money on one of these two women to actually break out a little bit, would you put money on Maxine or Harley Cameron?

01:15:19.426 --> 01:15:21.408
[SPEAKER_01]: Arnie Cameron, she's more talented.

01:15:21.568 --> 01:15:26.333
[SPEAKER_01]: She's give her a guitar and she know that Charlie Cameron is an entertainer.

01:15:26.894 --> 01:15:35.123
[SPEAKER_01]: She might be a monologue like Bobville like performer back in that that's the way with some of your good people and they're like, they're just trying to do everything.

01:15:35.243 --> 01:15:39.808
[SPEAKER_01]: Literally everything, you know, and yeah, she's awesome, right now.

01:15:39.908 --> 01:15:43.752
[SPEAKER_00]: Can I can I tell you that this may be an unpopular opinion?

01:15:43.772 --> 01:15:47.796
[SPEAKER_00]: I think when she wrestles, it takes her down.

01:15:48.755 --> 01:15:50.899
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I agree with you.

01:15:51.140 --> 01:15:53.104
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, so she should be like a manager or something.

01:15:53.164 --> 01:15:57.994
[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe like part of the commentary, I don't know, but definitely not part of the commentary too.

01:15:58.034 --> 01:15:58.656
[SPEAKER_01]: I think that's back.

01:15:59.237 --> 01:16:05.049
[SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, yeah, so dude, but she could do a better job than Tony Shivani.

01:16:05.290 --> 01:16:08.316
[SPEAKER_00]: She's on his last legs.

01:16:08.549 --> 01:16:11.194
[SPEAKER_01]: Really, I think he has it together, I think, for his age.

01:16:12.717 --> 01:16:15.823
[SPEAKER_01]: Whoa, you got people that I remember that I came up with shit current at the end.

01:16:16.123 --> 01:16:19.690
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, so I know bad commentary when I hear it.

01:16:19.710 --> 01:16:24.319
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, I look, I think, I don't know Tony.

01:16:24.680 --> 01:16:27.846
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm sure Tony's a really good person.

01:16:27.886 --> 01:16:29.629
[SPEAKER_00]: Lots of people love him.

01:16:30.453 --> 01:16:50.672
[SPEAKER_00]: I just think, you know, he's in the JR spot in the guy who's supposed to have all of this wisdom about wrestling and every time I see him wait for his turn so that he can call a spot there's some sort of flood one of the one of the ones I can't even remember who was in the ring, but there was a match and.

01:16:50.652 --> 01:17:10.332
[SPEAKER_00]: he would like that there was some selling going on and then the comeback starts and so right Tony has to take over and right as the comeback starts he starts talking about how good the selling was and how much punishment he took as I do that was 10 seconds ago like the comeback is happening like you need but

01:17:10.312 --> 01:17:34.362
[SPEAKER_00]: It's also the way that they're produced, X caliber and, you know, in Brian Danielson, almost is doing his own, like he's almost doing his own through his commentary, while guys are doing commentary, which is why it's awesome because he's actually believable, but it's almost like they're not in the same place, watching the same stuff, like I'd rather just almost watch it with Danielson doing a director's commentary.

01:17:34.342 --> 01:17:45.237
[SPEAKER_01]: It's interesting with NASA because if you notice when the match gets to violent or to our control, you just don't hear from him because he's so like in shock, because he understands all that stuff.

01:17:45.378 --> 01:17:50.605
[SPEAKER_01]: So whenever a match gets to violent, you're kind of speak a very soft.

01:17:51.486 --> 01:17:52.668
[SPEAKER_01]: Why do they do that?

01:17:52.688 --> 01:17:53.669
[SPEAKER_01]: Like stuff like that, you know?

01:17:54.090 --> 01:18:00.619
[SPEAKER_01]: But he doesn't guess as involved with this like a regular

01:18:02.489 --> 01:18:16.886
[SPEAKER_00]: I remember when I first saw this show, seeing Flare and Dusty on that poster, the million dollar match, and now we have Tony Khan given out $250,000 randomly for matches.

01:18:16.946 --> 01:18:18.047
[SPEAKER_00]: He's killed that gimmick dead.

01:18:18.748 --> 01:18:19.008
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.

01:18:19.649 --> 01:18:32.344
[SPEAKER_00]: Smoking Joe Fraser as the referee, oh my God, this discreem's giant to my brain.

01:18:32.560 --> 01:18:35.458
[SPEAKER_01]: And that's the, that just kind of sucks.

01:18:35.478 --> 01:18:38.537
[SPEAKER_00]: There was one, maybe, maybe two.

01:18:38.720 --> 01:18:50.093
[SPEAKER_00]: good matches depending on what you thought of some of the undercard, but these undercard matches like didn't even really follow a lot of what the storylines were happening in these different territories at the time.

01:18:50.974 --> 01:18:56.400
[SPEAKER_00]: And I totally blanched and Ricky Steamboat was was the better match of the night.

01:18:57.461 --> 01:19:05.790
[SPEAKER_00]: And even Flair and Dusty now they would go back to back with this match for

01:19:06.850 --> 01:19:27.643
[SPEAKER_00]: Like I was reading up on some of the history of this show and like they had I think they had the million dollar gimmick Like before they even had Dusty and Rick as the two guys and I want to say that maybe they they only promoted it as Dusty versus Rick like maybe like a month out from from the Thanksgiving of 84, but

01:19:27.742 --> 01:19:42.305
[SPEAKER_00]: Now we talk about business versus creative, the business side of it was successful because they went close circuit again and it was a, it was a money-making thing and you know, they did two starcaids before Vince did one WrestleMania.

01:19:42.345 --> 01:19:45.109
[SPEAKER_00]: So it had, if starcaid 84 sucked,

01:19:45.089 --> 01:20:05.207
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, maybe Vince changes his mind about the timing of WrestleMania, but because it's it's it's a good business gimmick and it is successful, but when you look back, you go, oh my gosh, it shows not great brick flare and I'm going to I'm going to give this person's name conrad capital C o and rad.

01:20:06.352 --> 01:20:15.720
[SPEAKER_01]: He asked there was a on rick's old podcast, which I don't think he does anymore, but of course not it's like you shouldn't be saying that because it was God with it like six months.

01:20:16.038 --> 01:20:19.864
[SPEAKER_00]: So the end of Dusty and Rick, it stopped on blood.

01:20:20.204 --> 01:20:24.430
[SPEAKER_00]: Joe Frazier, the referee stops the match on blood, and Dusty's really angry.

01:20:25.272 --> 01:20:32.682
[SPEAKER_00]: So a listener asked Rick on that old podcast, why was the match only 10 minutes long?

01:20:32.743 --> 01:20:36.668
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, you were known for your long matches, and you know what Rick said?

01:20:37.409 --> 01:20:38.912
[SPEAKER_00]: What?

01:20:38.932 --> 01:20:41.235
[SPEAKER_00]: Joe Frazier, just in an experience, referee.

01:20:42.869 --> 01:20:54.231
[SPEAKER_00]: So he played the whole thing on Jeff Rager, the work referee spot because they're setting up what Ana asked Big Dave about this.

01:20:54.852 --> 01:20:59.140
[SPEAKER_00]: And he said, they wanted Joe Frager and Dusty Rhodes for the next year.

01:20:59.221 --> 01:21:00.543
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, that was my idea.

01:21:00.563 --> 01:21:07.093
[SPEAKER_01]: That was, I've always thought that that was the idea that they wanted because Joe Frazier was getting paid these for both companies at this point, right?

01:21:08.035 --> 01:21:10.398
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so he was a guy that didn't need a money.

01:21:10.458 --> 01:21:12.261
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm fortunate, that's a whole different story.

01:21:13.062 --> 01:21:17.309
[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, the idea was Joe Frazier versus Dusty at Star 85.

01:21:17.990 --> 01:21:26.443
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, but Rick will say things where K-Fab is not even in his

01:21:26.575 --> 01:21:31.102
[SPEAKER_00]: like, like, Hulk Hogan died because he was taking street drugs.

01:21:31.122 --> 01:21:39.174
[SPEAKER_00]: Like that did literally said that to our Hulk Hogan's widow had to come out against him and say, like, what are you talking about?

01:21:39.675 --> 01:21:42.439
[SPEAKER_00]: And then Rick had to apologize and say, oh, that's just what people told me.

01:21:42.479 --> 01:21:43.200
[SPEAKER_00]: Sorry.

01:21:43.518 --> 01:21:49.687
[SPEAKER_00]: and in the one moment where he can actually talk about the what was going on at star kid eighty four.

01:21:49.707 --> 01:22:00.403
[SPEAKER_00]: I guess maybe he didn't want to say it was a bad match or whatever but he's like no, Joe Frazier just in an experience where he stopped the match or they said what is that story like what the real answer.

01:22:01.264 --> 01:22:03.147
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to one time Conrad.

01:22:03.127 --> 01:22:04.790
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, capital letter CON.

01:22:06.373 --> 01:22:09.398
[SPEAKER_01]: He had, he had, it was kind of cool.

01:22:09.478 --> 01:22:14.588
[SPEAKER_01]: He had Rick for do a commentary on the 99 to a rumble, which is awesome.

01:22:14.608 --> 01:22:15.710
[SPEAKER_00]: That's your thing, man.

01:22:15.730 --> 01:22:16.812
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, you're funny.

01:22:16.832 --> 01:22:20.518
[SPEAKER_01]: And it was time we talked about directors commentary with, you know, Brian earlier.

01:22:20.538 --> 01:22:22.041
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, this is kind of the last we can get.

01:22:22.361 --> 01:22:23.624
[SPEAKER_01]: However, it wasn't that.

01:22:23.704 --> 01:22:26.569
[SPEAKER_01]: It was every stereotype you, you're going to hear.

01:22:26.549 --> 01:22:43.697
[SPEAKER_01]: stated as a fact, for example, when Haku comes out, he went into the hole, you know, I was with this guy at a bar one time, and I was like, bro, come on, like, just tons tons tons about the actual fuck this thing, you should, yeah, yeah, yeah, and so he said that we called the human vegetmatic, that didn't make me laugh.

01:22:44.842 --> 01:22:46.725
[SPEAKER_01]: And uh, but yeah, I was just bad.

01:22:46.745 --> 01:22:53.095
[SPEAKER_01]: It was about whole hour of bridges being in Cape and then those like you said those weird non cave things are also not true.

01:22:53.115 --> 01:23:03.812
[SPEAKER_01]: I think it's a great cave, but it's beyond it's like at that point, we broke it in, you know, um, So yeah, so that's a great man, Rick me Rick, still around to this day, based still around.

01:23:04.822 --> 01:23:06.905
[SPEAKER_00]: Man, yeah, I think I mentioned to you.

01:23:06.945 --> 01:23:10.911
[SPEAKER_00]: I saw him in Vegas for many a week, and that dude was in rough shape.

01:23:11.633 --> 01:23:21.548
[SPEAKER_00]: And did you see the thing where somebody said that they paid an exorbitant amount of money for him to do a cameo for his father or something?

01:23:21.798 --> 01:23:29.753
[SPEAKER_00]: And like Rick called the dad by the wrong name and he was wasted in the guy which is like that's like the worst $5,000 ever spent or whatever.

01:23:30.134 --> 01:23:35.284
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and these times people not to get married with people are, you know, they congratulations on your wedding.

01:23:36.406 --> 01:23:38.951
[SPEAKER_01]: It just, yeah, all these things are popping out on social media.

01:23:38.991 --> 01:23:42.878
[SPEAKER_01]: By the way, all these terminals where he just goes off the rails, they're all popping out on social media.

01:23:43.550 --> 01:23:44.311
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, bad.

01:23:44.531 --> 01:23:44.792
[SPEAKER_00]: Bad.

01:23:45.533 --> 01:23:45.853
[SPEAKER_00]: All right.

01:23:45.934 --> 01:23:47.155
[SPEAKER_00]: So the yearbook.

01:23:47.175 --> 01:23:48.017
[SPEAKER_00]: I mentioned the yearbook.

01:23:48.317 --> 01:23:52.804
[SPEAKER_00]: We're going to get to comedy Dave because the comedy Dave segment is this is probably the best one that we've ever done.

01:23:52.824 --> 01:23:58.272
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, not that we've ever done, but that Dave just had so because Dave was just bitter right now.

01:23:58.332 --> 01:24:00.175
[SPEAKER_00]: He's just clowning on everything.

01:24:00.155 --> 01:24:00.495
[SPEAKER_00]: All right.

01:24:00.536 --> 01:24:04.481
[SPEAKER_00]: So the the yearbook Dave had 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6.

01:24:04.601 --> 01:24:06.764
[SPEAKER_00]: So seven of the top stories of 84.

01:24:07.806 --> 01:24:09.268
[SPEAKER_00]: Number one was Holcombania.

01:24:09.788 --> 01:24:11.771
[SPEAKER_00]: Number two was the death of David von Eric.

01:24:12.332 --> 01:24:18.180
[SPEAKER_00]: Number three was the TBS takeover with Vince McMahon buying the time slot.

01:24:18.616 --> 01:24:35.231
[SPEAKER_00]: Number four was Jumbo Serruta beating Nick Boxwinkel and actually becoming a touring champion because usually how that what would happen is you Nick would go to Japan or anybody would go to Japan lose the belt and then regain it while in Japan.

01:24:35.351 --> 01:24:37.833
[SPEAKER_00]: So the fans in the US don't know.

01:24:38.254 --> 01:24:48.623
[SPEAKER_00]: But actually, Jumbo Serruta came to the US as the AWA champion in AWA towns and defended the title before losing it back.

01:24:48.603 --> 01:24:51.587
[SPEAKER_00]: Tiger mask returns to wrestling.

01:24:52.609 --> 01:25:14.982
[SPEAKER_00]: He went over all of the jumps to WWE F and then the last one was 1984 was the year of over exposure, which I think is my story of 2025 as well.

01:25:15.434 --> 01:25:27.389
[SPEAKER_00]: All right, so let's, let's hit up our favorite segment, comedy Dave and I just still kept this one short Dave sound bite for the intro to comedy Dave.

01:25:30.674 --> 01:25:31.094
[SPEAKER_00]: All right.

01:25:33.978 --> 01:25:35.620
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, so the first one.

01:25:36.022 --> 01:25:45.233
[SPEAKER_00]: So, Bruce Biefke, who Dave finally realized was Ed Leslie and Dizzy Hogan and Hulk Hogan's buddy and not his real-life brother.

01:25:45.273 --> 01:25:49.238
[SPEAKER_00]: He beat Sal Belomo at Madison Square Garden.

01:25:50.039 --> 01:25:55.105
[SPEAKER_00]: And Dave wrote, it was a solid opener for any card, a Sal looked good.

01:25:55.165 --> 01:26:00.612
[SPEAKER_00]: And Brutus looked like he'd been visiting his pharmacists even more than his gym lately.

01:26:00.592 --> 01:26:03.200
[SPEAKER_00]: Shot fire that Brutus beef cake.

01:26:03.380 --> 01:26:05.105
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, but you can win with Dave.

01:26:05.146 --> 01:26:11.665
[SPEAKER_01]: He'd be, you know, he unloads on you if you're just up or if you're heavy If you're back, you know, it's like we can't win with this guy.

01:26:12.556 --> 01:26:13.738
[SPEAKER_00]: Uh, this one was great.

01:26:14.579 --> 01:26:17.163
[SPEAKER_00]: Have you ever wondered why Hulk wears a headband?

01:26:17.925 --> 01:26:27.960
[SPEAKER_00]: Makes as much sense as giant Boba cutting his sleeves off of his sweatshirts, because giant Boba had skinny arms and that's right, yeah, yeah, that's right.

01:26:27.980 --> 01:26:30.064
[SPEAKER_00]: And Hulk doesn't have any hair, so that was a good one.

01:26:30.204 --> 01:26:30.885
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, fuck me.

01:26:33.329 --> 01:26:43.587
[SPEAKER_00]: The TV taping the next morning did draw about 400 to the chase hotel with the highlight being junkyard dog inviting the fans into the ring to dance with him.

01:26:44.388 --> 01:26:55.067
[SPEAKER_01]: By the way, dog dances about as well as he wrestles I am told.

01:26:55.368 --> 01:26:58.531
[SPEAKER_00]: He did the one, you know, he did the one with the knees and stuff.

01:26:59.232 --> 01:27:01.614
[SPEAKER_01]: Uh, yeah, the road dog one, road dog took down from it later.

01:27:01.634 --> 01:27:04.276
[SPEAKER_00]: Mick Foley when he was dude love took that one as well.

01:27:04.557 --> 01:27:05.297
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's right.

01:27:06.418 --> 01:27:08.220
[SPEAKER_01]: All right, he used to use the ass to us.

01:27:09.101 --> 01:27:09.281
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yeah.

01:27:09.301 --> 01:27:10.903
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, junk for dog the knife.

01:27:12.244 --> 01:27:15.927
[SPEAKER_00]: Ivan Putsky beat somebody by the name of Smyrnaugh.

01:27:16.868 --> 01:27:24.295
[SPEAKER_00]: By COR, which I realized way later than I should have that COR stood for count outring.

01:27:25.574 --> 01:27:26.615
[SPEAKER_00]: Is that what it stands for?

01:27:26.635 --> 01:27:28.578
[SPEAKER_01]: I think so.

01:27:28.818 --> 01:27:29.039
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

01:27:29.159 --> 01:27:30.260
[SPEAKER_00]: Count out, ring, I think.

01:27:30.861 --> 01:27:31.642
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not out of the league.

01:27:31.862 --> 01:27:32.944
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not out of the league.

01:27:32.964 --> 01:27:34.265
[SPEAKER_01]: Because you're not going to put out of him.

01:27:34.285 --> 01:27:35.287
[SPEAKER_01]: He was a little, yeah, so.

01:27:35.887 --> 01:27:45.380
[SPEAKER_00]: And then he wrote in parentheses, they have yet to invent an adjective, which can adequately describe how bad this match was.

01:27:45.420 --> 01:27:47.963
[SPEAKER_00]: Torture is the closest.

01:27:49.205 --> 01:27:50.907
[SPEAKER_02]: Chiefs, that's a good one.

01:27:53.165 --> 01:28:01.253
[SPEAKER_00]: uh, and then he goes, oh, yes, Jimmy Snuka appeared on the November 13th, put kipsy tapes.

01:28:01.913 --> 01:28:03.254
[SPEAKER_00]: He still isn't blinking.

01:28:03.755 --> 01:28:05.476
[SPEAKER_00]: So he may not be over his troubles.

01:28:06.177 --> 01:28:22.092
[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe when you're, maybe when your eyes don't blink for so long, they just forget how to and now I can't get that image out of my head because he's yeah, your Jimmy Snuka would just

01:28:23.810 --> 01:28:25.733
[SPEAKER_00]: I actually know what, let's save it for last.

01:28:25.753 --> 01:28:28.797
[SPEAKER_00]: I'll go to this one first because I want to save my favorite one for last.

01:28:30.299 --> 01:28:35.146
[SPEAKER_00]: You can burn up more calories sipping coffee than Dr. D David Schultz does when he's in the ring.

01:28:36.308 --> 01:28:37.329
[SPEAKER_01]: Hey, better talk.

01:28:37.349 --> 01:28:38.631
[SPEAKER_01]: Say I don't want him to talk to me.

01:28:38.651 --> 01:28:39.272
[SPEAKER_01]: That's our point.

01:28:40.594 --> 01:28:41.515
[SPEAKER_00]: All right, last one.

01:28:42.473 --> 01:28:49.783
[SPEAKER_00]: Carri van Eric had a final screen test this past week for a lead role as Sylvester Stallone's Russian opponent in the movie Rocky Four.

01:28:50.604 --> 01:28:58.394
[SPEAKER_00]: If Carri gets the part, he will one, cut his hair, two, learn to box, and three, learn Russian.

01:28:59.155 --> 01:29:01.278
[SPEAKER_00]: I wouldn't be surprised if he can do the first thing.

01:29:01.719 --> 01:29:05.584
[SPEAKER_00]: I have doubts about the second, and him's certain he can't accomplish the third.

01:29:05.884 --> 01:29:08.548
[SPEAKER_00]: It took him 24 years just to learn English.

01:29:09.153 --> 01:29:11.019
[SPEAKER_01]: to Jesus Christ.

01:29:11.922 --> 01:29:14.750
[SPEAKER_01]: And that was me because I don't know why Kerry deserved that one.

01:29:14.770 --> 01:29:15.493
[SPEAKER_01]: Like there's nothing.

01:29:16.115 --> 01:29:20.749
[SPEAKER_01]: He wasn't a good proble guy, but I mean, you can't say he couldn't speak English.

01:29:21.472 --> 01:29:24.996
[SPEAKER_00]: I think he just saw the avenue for comedy.

01:29:25.016 --> 01:29:28.600
[SPEAKER_00]: You got to remember his brother eventually becomes a comedian.

01:29:28.620 --> 01:29:41.255
[SPEAKER_00]: So they may maybe the young meltsers, like if someone was to do like a documentary or like a TV series on the young meltsers, it's just like Dave and his brother just ripping each other lined by line.

01:29:42.917 --> 01:29:45.960
[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe they do that during the family dinners.

01:29:46.295 --> 01:30:05.299
[SPEAKER_01]: But you know what, I'm know that story since somehow I knew that story since I was a kid and yeah, and I was fascinated me of Carrie Wagner, who had gotten that role like this like what I I talked to somebody about this and because they said, you know, well, it wouldn't have been as good because jaw flunker and was perfect for the role.

01:30:05.279 --> 01:30:10.585
[SPEAKER_00]: And I was like, yeah, but we don't know, Carrie could have been good, like, Dolph Lunger and was sweetish.

01:30:10.686 --> 01:30:11.827
[SPEAKER_00]: He wasn't Russian.

01:30:11.927 --> 01:30:14.710
[SPEAKER_00]: He only would have droggle have like four lines, the whole mood.

01:30:14.731 --> 01:30:24.342
[SPEAKER_00]: You could have, you could have, you could have given Carrie those lines and Carrie, um, I don't know if he was as tall as, because Dolph is probably, but her service or silence really shorts.

01:30:24.402 --> 01:30:26.245
[SPEAKER_00]: That's what Carrie was more jack.

01:30:26.265 --> 01:30:27.526
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, Carrie is more jack.

01:30:27.546 --> 01:30:34.054
[SPEAKER_00]: Now, the problem may have been, could Carrie even lift his arms to box because he was so huge.

01:30:35.030 --> 01:30:38.113
[SPEAKER_01]: They were taking care of in the movie.

01:30:38.133 --> 01:30:42.917
[SPEAKER_01]: No, he probably would have unloaded a porcelain, like way more times than that longer.

01:30:42.998 --> 01:30:51.105
[SPEAKER_00]: Do you believe the story that Sly told Dolf to lay it in and then Dolf sent him to the hospital, because he like punch him in the heart or something?

01:30:51.145 --> 01:30:51.986
[SPEAKER_00]: Do you believe that story?

01:30:52.146 --> 01:30:53.307
[SPEAKER_01]: No, I mean, that's lies.

01:30:53.347 --> 01:30:54.408
[SPEAKER_01]: Lays also a card.

01:30:54.448 --> 01:30:55.089
[SPEAKER_01]: So who knows?

01:30:56.470 --> 01:30:58.752
[SPEAKER_01]: I know that he broke his neck and the expendables.

01:30:59.133 --> 01:31:00.274
[SPEAKER_02]: Try it out.

01:31:00.394 --> 01:31:01.135
[SPEAKER_01]: Who heard them?

01:31:01.675 --> 01:31:04.598
[SPEAKER_01]: I think Wendy could tell her.

01:31:04.865 --> 01:31:13.714
[SPEAKER_01]: So, and I know he's got in some, he's got in some fudgees, they pushed them, you know, accidentally doing not doing the Rocky move, it's because that's going to happen.

01:31:13.894 --> 01:31:20.080
[SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, I'm a being with the Austria because they had a bad heart or got hit in the heart.

01:31:20.100 --> 01:31:21.721
[SPEAKER_00]: I, I'm sorry, I think I've told you this.

01:31:22.823 --> 01:31:32.492
[SPEAKER_00]: I am still of the opinion that the rocks story of having seven bucks in his pocket before he turned to wrestling.

01:31:33.316 --> 01:31:48.719
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm almost certain that he lifted this story from Sylvester, so I think so, because when if you go back and some of these interviews are out there on the internet, if you search hard enough, you can find these interviews of a Stallone talking about the story of Rocky One.

01:31:49.780 --> 01:31:55.088
[SPEAKER_00]: And he has this quote about how I don't remember how many dollars it was, but it was like,

01:31:55.068 --> 01:32:00.738
[SPEAKER_00]: I had four dollars in my pocket or something at the because service alone is as a worker as well, right?

01:32:00.758 --> 01:32:04.405
[SPEAKER_00]: He's already the entire time and in the whole rocky buildup.

01:32:05.026 --> 01:32:09.414
[SPEAKER_00]: He had to sell but can't mean, maybe you did have to sell but kiss with any bottom back and all this stuff.

01:32:09.835 --> 01:32:17.970
[SPEAKER_00]: So, you know, he has this thing where he's like, hey, I had like three dollars to my name and then I made rocky and like this is how he's saying it.

01:32:17.950 --> 01:32:30.002
[SPEAKER_00]: And Dwayne's seven bucks to the story of seven bucks entertainment is like almost this exact same and I wonder if Dwayne was just really good at searching the internet for for stories back in the day.

01:32:30.455 --> 01:32:43.397
[SPEAKER_01]: But the thing about the blank story, it always speaks badly of Rocky Johnson, because Rocky Johnson is never somebody he could go to, so that tells you how broke he was as well.

01:32:43.477 --> 01:32:53.914
[SPEAKER_01]: And we're both broke, essentially, you know, it's a story, or his mom, the promoter, you know, like he couldn't go to any along.

01:32:54.451 --> 01:33:03.746
[SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, I've never, I know that he had some tough times, but I don't think he literally came down to $7.00 at his pocket, you know.

01:33:03.806 --> 01:33:07.071
[SPEAKER_00]: What about the story about how he met his wife?

01:33:08.073 --> 01:33:09.054
[SPEAKER_00]: What do you know about that word?

01:33:09.275 --> 01:33:11.358
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, the first wife, not his current wife.

01:33:12.319 --> 01:33:13.541
[SPEAKER_00]: But he said, where's he?

01:33:13.962 --> 01:33:18.349
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, when he was at Miami, and

01:33:18.937 --> 01:33:33.173
[SPEAKER_00]: I think they were at a bar or something, and he met Danny that night, and he stayed talking to her or whatever, but what he was supposed to do, he was supposed to be at an orgy with his football team.

01:33:38.019 --> 01:33:39.400
[SPEAKER_00]: I swear to God, that's what he said.

01:33:39.681 --> 01:33:41.303
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know if he would say that today.

01:33:41.743 --> 01:33:46.108
[SPEAKER_01]: But he didn't have

01:33:46.274 --> 01:33:55.752
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, uh, his team that team was stacked they weren't sap like he's starting ahead of Warren sap at some point before Warren sap just laps him.

01:33:56.413 --> 01:33:57.535
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, all right.

01:33:57.555 --> 01:34:01.903
[SPEAKER_00]: Let's let's end with this because I do want to talk a little bit about heading into 2026.

01:34:04.145 --> 01:34:07.896
[SPEAKER_00]: If you were to give WWE, now this is your own grade.

01:34:08.458 --> 01:34:09.842
[SPEAKER_00]: It doesn't have to be about business.

01:34:10.143 --> 01:34:15.660
[SPEAKER_00]: It just has to be about how interchange you were with both companies.

01:34:16.021 --> 01:34:18.829
[SPEAKER_00]: How would you grade WWE and AEW?

01:34:20.159 --> 01:34:23.865
[SPEAKER_01]: I would give them both a C. I think that's interesting.

01:34:23.885 --> 01:34:26.789
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I think average 70%.

01:34:26.929 --> 01:34:32.097
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, they're good, you know, they're still, I'm not gonna give them a D on that, that's all unfair.

01:34:32.638 --> 01:34:35.502
[SPEAKER_01]: Cause none of them are, first of all, neither companies that they have.

01:34:35.522 --> 01:34:37.565
[SPEAKER_01]: So if I hear enough from anybody, they're already full of shit.

01:34:37.846 --> 01:34:49.423
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I sent it with a D. I mean, I thought one scene of the Saturday's turn baby face I thought his room was decent, I thought he had really good matches.

01:34:50.095 --> 01:34:59.406
[SPEAKER_01]: I thought the all the paper was even though it's not my style right, the whole five match format and waiting 10 minutes after every match for another match.

01:34:59.466 --> 01:35:02.316
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't like that, but the actual work was good.

01:35:02.887 --> 01:35:16.271
[SPEAKER_01]: And then a, w, you know, you're always, you know what you're going to get with a w, you just know what you're going to get and you're always going to get good to great wrestling, you know, and again, there was there was some story lines that had me invested this year in a w, especially in the tailland.

01:35:16.912 --> 01:35:19.336
[SPEAKER_01]: Again, I got to kick out of the young bugs be poor.

01:35:19.857 --> 01:35:24.465
[SPEAKER_01]: I got to kick the, the tech, tech, a sheet of versus a lot of few.

01:35:24.546 --> 01:35:25.367
[SPEAKER_01]: I thought I was.

01:35:25.735 --> 01:35:28.440
[SPEAKER_00]: still still going to go probably for the next year too.

01:35:28.641 --> 01:35:48.199
[SPEAKER_01]: They they they I think somewhere along the line they kind of they've lost their way a little bit but they kind of bring it back I feel like sometimes I feel like take a sheet of it's in a different storyline because he doesn't really react to anything like he we haven't gotten his actually he's just kind of there and then everybody around him is working off of him.

01:35:48.179 --> 01:36:02.553
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, but, but I thought, oh, and one of the things too is that, Oh, cotton, when it comes to his probals, he's really picked it up, like a Blake, like, you know, that, that promo, he cut on the paper for you right before he went out there in the finals, that's probably one of my favorite probals he's ever done.

01:36:02.573 --> 01:36:07.357
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, there's no lot of probals, but yeah, it was a great, and it was an English, you know, it was awesome.

01:36:08.118 --> 01:36:17.427
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, you could tell that he's getting better at, you know, speaking the English as well, which is weird, because I thought he was just going to write it out, like, like, um, what's his name?

01:36:17.710 --> 01:36:20.052
[SPEAKER_01]: God damn it, I'm blanking already from them in the U.E.

01:36:20.513 --> 01:36:21.394
[SPEAKER_01]: But like not the mora.

01:36:21.814 --> 01:36:23.876
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, not the mora when he went to them in the U.

01:36:23.896 --> 01:36:25.457
[SPEAKER_01]: He just stopped improving in everything.

01:36:25.477 --> 01:36:26.679
[SPEAKER_01]: He just stopped, right?

01:36:26.699 --> 01:36:27.499
[SPEAKER_01]: It's like, this is it.

01:36:27.980 --> 01:36:31.043
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm gonna write it out, catch my check on my charisma.

01:36:31.063 --> 01:36:34.446
[SPEAKER_01]: I thought that's where Ocaro was heading, because he's also kind of broken down.

01:36:34.466 --> 01:36:37.469
[SPEAKER_01]: But no, I mean, this guy is improved his English tremendously.

01:36:37.549 --> 01:36:39.211
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, he's picked it up in the tournament.

01:36:39.551 --> 01:36:41.433
[SPEAKER_01]: I thought he had a couple of really good matches.

01:36:42.534 --> 01:36:46.738
[SPEAKER_01]: So both of them got to get a C grade for me.

01:36:47.495 --> 01:36:54.963
[SPEAKER_00]: I will say that, oh, Daza, Daza actually might have a story of where Dwayne the Rock Johnson got.

01:36:55.003 --> 01:37:03.031
[SPEAKER_00]: His, uh, his orgy story, uh, Steve McQueen, according to Daza was going to Sharon Tate's party the night, the Manson family struck.

01:37:03.091 --> 01:37:08.697
[SPEAKER_00]: However, he hooked up with a girl at a bar and went there and said, oh, not, not exactly, but very similar story.

01:37:08.757 --> 01:37:09.437
[SPEAKER_01]: That's how it is.

01:37:09.838 --> 01:37:10.939
[SPEAKER_00]: That's crazy, though.

01:37:11.079 --> 01:37:12.420
[SPEAKER_00]: That is an insane story.

01:37:13.462 --> 01:37:14.903
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I haven't heard that story before.

01:37:16.165 --> 01:37:21.052
[SPEAKER_00]: Alright, so for me, how do I bridge this?

01:37:21.092 --> 01:37:36.115
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, if it comes to television, I like, I know a lot of people really love dynamite and I almost hate watching it because I have to talk about it.

01:37:36.263 --> 01:37:59.571
[SPEAKER_00]: And unless you have your pause on your remote control and you can like write all these notes like I don't have I rarely remember anything after that show is done and which is I know this is a little blasphemous for some wrestling fans to say, but I still like Monday night raw the best because as an overall show.

01:37:59.770 --> 01:38:19.510
[SPEAKER_00]: I think it's it's it's to my taste from an entertainment perspective and from this like it's almost like an an act it's like here's act one act to an act three these are the things I have to remember about this show and I'm good that to some people they want to see all action and that's all that matter so of course they're going to like dynamite better.

01:38:20.391 --> 01:38:25.997
[SPEAKER_00]: But if like if AEW was only a paper view promotion and I did not have to watch their television.

01:38:26.534 --> 01:38:31.941
[SPEAKER_00]: I think they were like a name minus, but because I have to watch their television and I don't really like it.

01:38:33.263 --> 01:38:40.212
[SPEAKER_00]: I would drop them down a bit, I might go B, B, B minus, and but WWE to me is the opposite.

01:38:40.632 --> 01:38:55.191
[SPEAKER_00]: If I only had to watch raw, I think I would like the promotion so much more because I was actually disappointed in a lot of the PLEs.

01:38:55.711 --> 01:39:02.250
[SPEAKER_00]: And then I have this expectation and they always they always come in under my expectation, even in the one more.

01:39:04.195 --> 01:39:05.940
[SPEAKER_00]: I thought Russell, many of both nights.

01:39:06.207 --> 01:39:07.929
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh yeah, that's, or I didn't like that.

01:39:07.949 --> 01:39:09.430
[SPEAKER_00]: Great, you know, summer slam.

01:39:09.510 --> 01:39:11.412
[SPEAKER_00]: I think summer slam was was pretty decent.

01:39:11.873 --> 01:39:15.816
[SPEAKER_00]: Survivor series, I was like, ah, we've seen this before, war games.

01:39:16.537 --> 01:39:31.692
[SPEAKER_00]: The one that I was most disappointed in though was the very first Russell Palusa because they built up the CM Punk and AJ and like that was maybe my favorite story of the whole year because AJ comes out

01:39:32.532 --> 01:39:36.378
[SPEAKER_00]: And the fans react to her like she's Hulk Hogan in 1984.

01:39:36.838 --> 01:39:43.148
[SPEAKER_00]: I was so impressed and I was like, man, and then she comes in, she does a promo like she never left.

01:39:43.208 --> 01:39:44.270
[SPEAKER_00]: I was so impressed with her.

01:39:44.330 --> 01:39:46.553
[SPEAKER_00]: And then we had to get to the match.

01:39:47.354 --> 01:39:54.345
[SPEAKER_00]: And I was like, oh, the last time AJ wrestled, there was very little expectation for what she had to do in the ring.

01:39:54.725 --> 01:40:00.514
[SPEAKER_00]: And she was messing up stuff left and right and Becky and Seth were like having to like,

01:40:00.494 --> 01:40:27.177
[SPEAKER_00]: you know do the work of like two or three people just to do her stuff now the next match that she was in which it was work game she was much better in that match but she had less to do because there's so many people so but it's like that it's like they they can still build up that expectation they can still promote promote promote and get me fired up for stuff but then the delivery comes underneath so I would have probably put them at like a C

01:40:27.359 --> 01:40:28.180
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, that's fair.

01:40:28.501 --> 01:40:30.083
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, that's definitely fair.

01:40:30.103 --> 01:40:31.506
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't like that.

01:40:32.067 --> 01:40:32.527
[SPEAKER_01]: You're right.

01:40:32.567 --> 01:40:33.729
[SPEAKER_01]: They'll eat them, you eat them.

01:40:33.749 --> 01:40:36.995
[SPEAKER_01]: They're promoting capabilities are off the, they're awesome at that day.

01:40:37.075 --> 01:40:40.440
[SPEAKER_01]: And, but the liberators is what they struggle with.

01:40:40.460 --> 01:40:44.928
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, once you get with the final products, like more times than not going to be a little let down by it.

01:40:46.570 --> 01:40:46.971
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.

01:40:48.213 --> 01:40:52.540
[SPEAKER_00]: Where is Chris Jericho in 2026 and how does WWE book him?

01:40:53.802 --> 01:40:58.326
[SPEAKER_01]: He's going to be in Saudi in 2026 at the end of January.

01:40:58.346 --> 01:41:08.515
[SPEAKER_01]: I wonder if they're going to make them wear the hoodie and all that stuff like they do, because it's like, I don't know, I just don't see how you could hide the guy if you're going to send them all the way to Saudi.

01:41:10.057 --> 01:41:17.763
[SPEAKER_01]: But I don't think, no, in Jericho, I don't think she, because he has a very high opinion of himself.

01:41:17.783 --> 01:41:18.644
[SPEAKER_01]: Let's just put it that way.

01:41:19.185 --> 01:41:22.948
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think he's done with the retirement and what they offer me.

01:41:23.688 --> 01:41:26.310
[SPEAKER_01]: He sees himself as a guy that could still go.

01:41:27.151 --> 01:41:28.492
[SPEAKER_01]: He wants to still be in the mix.

01:41:28.973 --> 01:41:31.355
[SPEAKER_01]: So I don't know what compromise you're going to come up with there.

01:41:31.655 --> 01:41:34.038
[SPEAKER_01]: He's not going to be the guy that's going to be putting over people.

01:41:34.058 --> 01:41:34.638
[SPEAKER_01]: I know that much.

01:41:34.658 --> 01:41:35.959
[SPEAKER_01]: He's going to be coming with a push.

01:41:36.840 --> 01:41:43.366
[SPEAKER_01]: And Mary working with the younger guys, as a baby face.

01:41:44.027 --> 01:41:45.468
[SPEAKER_01]: So he's going to be in the mix.

01:41:45.748 --> 01:41:48.251
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think we're going to do the whole retirement gimmick with him just yet.

01:41:48.451 --> 01:41:50.072
[SPEAKER_01]: That might be something for 227.

01:41:50.473 --> 01:41:51.754
[SPEAKER_01]: But he'll be in the WWE.

01:41:52.426 --> 01:41:55.731
[SPEAKER_00]: You've been watching Krish Jericho's entire career.

01:41:59.336 --> 01:42:01.379
[SPEAKER_00]: You've, you've read his books.

01:42:01.419 --> 01:42:04.083
[SPEAKER_00]: You've, I don't know a lot about his concerts.

01:42:05.205 --> 01:42:14.959
[SPEAKER_00]: So, if you could think like Jericho, is there a specific person on the current WWE roster where you're like, oh, I want to work with that guy.

01:42:15.059 --> 01:42:16.982
[SPEAKER_00]: Or I can make money with that guy.

01:42:17.042 --> 01:42:22.230
[SPEAKER_00]: Or I can create a program with that guy that people are going to respond to.

01:42:23.155 --> 01:42:28.343
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, he's going to want to work with like, I could see him working with a car mellow haze.

01:42:29.265 --> 01:42:38.700
[SPEAKER_01]: I could see him thinking because you know Jericho's thing is like he gets the young guys and he creates those tables and in his mind him being the leader who elevates everyone.

01:42:39.100 --> 01:42:43.788
[SPEAKER_01]: So I could see I could see him going into the company and creating a stable with car mellow haze.

01:42:44.529 --> 01:42:45.771
[SPEAKER_01]: And you know

01:42:45.751 --> 01:42:50.618
[SPEAKER_01]: So people in the vision, but even though they already have a stable, like I know he would probably want to work with Rob Raker.

01:42:51.320 --> 01:42:52.762
[SPEAKER_01]: He doesn't want to work with those guys.

01:42:52.882 --> 01:42:55.366
[SPEAKER_01]: Jericho doesn't want to work with the veterans, because he's already done.

01:42:55.606 --> 01:42:59.753
[SPEAKER_01]: He's not going to commend their work with Roman Reigns or Seth Rollins.

01:42:59.773 --> 01:43:00.614
[SPEAKER_01]: He's done all that.

01:43:00.634 --> 01:43:03.338
[SPEAKER_01]: And that's not understanding how Jericho thinks.

01:43:03.453 --> 01:43:06.376
[SPEAKER_00]: What about someone like LA night as Fernandez?

01:43:06.396 --> 01:43:11.560
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I don't see Jericho wanted to, but he'll do it, you know, he'll do it, but I don't see him wanted to do that.

01:43:11.620 --> 01:43:13.302
[SPEAKER_01]: I think he wants to get it with the young guys.

01:43:13.662 --> 01:43:19.668
[SPEAKER_01]: Because Jericho also has this fascination of like working with everybody from different generations.

01:43:19.888 --> 01:43:25.693
[SPEAKER_01]: Because, you know, he's one of the guys that work with all the young guys from the 90s, you know, 2000s, et cetera.

01:43:26.133 --> 01:43:27.274
[SPEAKER_01]: So he has a list.

01:43:27.294 --> 01:43:33.460
[SPEAKER_01]: He likes to go over that list of like, oh, I work with SOS, and nobody has done it.

01:43:33.440 --> 01:43:40.748
[SPEAKER_01]: So he doesn't want to go in there and work with the young people for sure, you know, Giovanna Evans, he probably doesn't want to work with him.

01:43:40.848 --> 01:44:02.130
[SPEAKER_01]: I know he doesn't want to work with him, and I think he has that philosophy of like the younger they are, the more they're going to make me look young, because eventually they're going to carry me to a match, you know, like I can't be happy in a W. So I just feel bad for, you know, wasn't able to those two guys, the learning

01:44:02.633 --> 01:44:06.778
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, big bill and Brian, what's the effort to get the guy with the hat?

01:44:08.521 --> 01:44:13.507
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and I don't know anything, I don't know anything.

01:44:14.488 --> 01:44:19.114
[SPEAKER_00]: My prediction for WrestleMania because Fernando picked LA night for WrestleMania.

01:44:20.596 --> 01:44:24.962
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to predict Sami Zayn and Jericho at WrestleMania because

01:44:25.263 --> 01:44:32.531
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't, I like your idea, but I'm not sure if Jericho can work at that speed anymore to work with someone like a Javon Evans.

01:44:32.611 --> 01:44:37.156
[SPEAKER_00]: He might just look slow as Malai, he might look like Randy Orton, like you were saying slow as Malai.

01:44:37.176 --> 01:44:48.908
[SPEAKER_01]: No, no, but I think it's more aligning himself with them, like, like, like, like, like, like, like in a stable, like, like, like in a stable, like coming in and being their leader and maybe feuding with it, yeah, like you were right, like a Sammy saying, you know.

01:44:48.888 --> 01:45:06.331
[SPEAKER_00]: Because I think Sami Zayn, like in a lot of WWE fans eyes, is kind of like how I look at like an Eddie Kingston or Mark Briscoen AEW, like they're right on that edge of, you know, what just give me that title win, because I want to celebrate those guys actually winning the big one.

01:45:06.691 --> 01:45:12.199
[SPEAKER_00]: And I see Sami Zayn in the same way, like I think the fans are like, we, you know, I want to see him win the big one.

01:45:12.699 --> 01:45:14.662
[SPEAKER_00]: And I think Jericho sees that as well.

01:45:15.283 --> 01:45:18.507
[SPEAKER_00]: And I think Jericho

01:45:18.858 --> 01:45:38.940
[SPEAKER_00]: in that, you know, whatever that is to help Sami Zane get to that next level, because Jericho's been there, and like if you think about it, I don't think these guys are comparable in their characters or in the wrestling style, but Jericho was also that guy who fans were just like, just I just want to see him win the title one time, like he's my guy.

01:45:38.980 --> 01:45:43.344
[SPEAKER_00]: He was a lot younger than Sami Zane is now, but I think he could see that.

01:45:43.364 --> 01:45:44.626
[SPEAKER_00]: So that would be my pick.

01:45:44.706 --> 01:45:45.827
[SPEAKER_00]: Jericho and Sami Zane.

01:45:46.043 --> 01:45:47.466
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, that's a good big.

01:45:47.887 --> 01:45:50.714
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, he's going to be in the rhythm which is which is cool.

01:45:50.734 --> 01:45:53.701
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, you know, I wonder if it keeps the same song.

01:45:54.002 --> 01:45:54.463
[SPEAKER_01]: That's the thing.

01:45:54.543 --> 01:45:55.906
[SPEAKER_01]: I feel like he's not going to want.

01:45:56.227 --> 01:45:58.171
[SPEAKER_01]: I feel like he's going to want to use his song, right?

01:45:58.191 --> 01:46:03.985
[SPEAKER_00]: Because he can I'm sure they're in the studio right now, figuring out what's going to be the song, right?

01:46:04.167 --> 01:46:07.853
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, because break the walls down is like knowing Jericho that's like that's the pass.

01:46:07.913 --> 01:46:10.176
[SPEAKER_01]: We don't go back, you know, we don't have to go to the future.

01:46:10.236 --> 01:46:14.042
[SPEAKER_01]: So it's going to be a fuzzy song because it didn't get more money for that.

01:46:14.062 --> 01:46:25.720
[SPEAKER_00]: So you know, well, well, you know, think about how long Judas lasted with that A. W. fan base, yeah, but, you know, I don't know that, uh,

01:46:25.953 --> 01:46:27.217
[SPEAKER_00]: that he didn't have that moment.

01:46:28.320 --> 01:46:31.048
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm sure he did have people singing Judas at Wembley.

01:46:31.068 --> 01:46:39.473
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm sure there was a lot of people singing it out, but you know, I'm sure he's going to want to recreate that moment in WWE with a different song.

01:46:39.571 --> 01:46:45.899
[SPEAKER_01]: But here's a reality, here's a reality, and I'm gonna date Meltzer this entire little celebration of Jericho.

01:46:45.919 --> 01:47:07.688
[SPEAKER_01]: It doesn't, no matter how many coats of paint you have on him, it's still a 54-year-old dude, it's still a nostalgia act, and he's probably gonna get about a good year rod, like when you maybe a year and a half, and then he's gonna go back to like people are gonna be tired of him, it's just he's gonna nostalgia act, because so, I think 27, we're gonna start looking at maybe why didn't it doubt for him.

01:47:08.039 --> 01:47:12.947
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, however that looks like, yeah, no, I'm with you.

01:47:13.808 --> 01:47:14.069
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.

01:47:14.910 --> 01:47:20.719
[SPEAKER_00]: Out of trick, Javan, and Ober, who has the best 2026?

01:47:20.879 --> 01:47:26.909
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to go with trick Williams.

01:47:27.850 --> 01:47:29.032
[SPEAKER_01]: He's got everything they want.

01:47:29.212 --> 01:47:30.474
[SPEAKER_01]: He's got the look.

01:47:31.055 --> 01:47:35.262
[SPEAKER_01]: He's got the the my skills, which are very important that with WV.

01:47:35.495 --> 01:47:58.785
[SPEAKER_01]: uh... java is all java is the best worker of the three as we don't come in but he put a he's got a bulk up a little bit for that company with their expectations uh... he's also a good promo not a great promo for a good promo uh... he connects organically with the audience which doesn't necessarily the younger fans too the younger fans really like that's really mean you're going to get a push connecting or we've seen that throughout the years

01:47:58.765 --> 01:48:26.629
[SPEAKER_01]: Obofem is still very green and you could see it in longer matches when he still struggles a little bit His proble skills are still not up to par so Obofem is gonna be number three in that in that home We get out of twenty twenty six and my my opinion But it's gonna be trick when the customers coming in with a push that this is the guy They he has he has been hand-shows in to be one of the top guys You know where I feel the other two have to earn it so

01:48:27.267 --> 01:48:29.750
[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, so Trick Williams is going to be very protective for sure.

01:48:31.272 --> 01:48:33.154
[SPEAKER_00]: On raw the the raw from Monday.

01:48:34.175 --> 01:48:36.958
[SPEAKER_00]: All three guys were on raw, but just in different ways.

01:48:37.178 --> 01:48:50.774
[SPEAKER_00]: So trick was talking to Adam Pierce and he was Hollywood trick and, you know, make sure you, you have my number in your, uh, my phone, my number in your phone and all that stuff.

01:48:50.794 --> 01:48:51.735
[SPEAKER_00]: So he's doing that.

01:48:52.135 --> 01:48:53.697
[SPEAKER_01]: It's like they don't have the peak of make.

01:48:54.149 --> 01:49:01.258
[SPEAKER_00]: And then Javan was in the back with some of the other guys and then Oberfemi had his own video.

01:49:01.698 --> 01:49:23.886
[SPEAKER_00]: So like I don't know if there's anything to any of that, like why they chose those three ways to show all those guys, but you can tell that those guys are going to be on television in the very near future or part of their plans and the very near future, which to me, maybe Javan is the

01:49:25.402 --> 01:49:29.635
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, I kind of hope that NXT is in their review because I don't like that show.

01:49:29.756 --> 01:49:32.665
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't, you know, I think that show can be a waste sometimes.

01:49:32.685 --> 01:49:35.935
[SPEAKER_00]: So I just want to see them focused on on the main roster.

01:49:36.387 --> 01:49:37.749
[SPEAKER_01]: No, yeah, I think they're already in the main.

01:49:37.809 --> 01:49:39.611
[SPEAKER_01]: I think those three guys are already in the main roster.

01:49:39.631 --> 01:49:42.034
[SPEAKER_01]: I think, well, Obofem is getting mean, yes.

01:49:42.094 --> 01:49:44.156
[SPEAKER_01]: So he's in, like, they're not on a show with me yet.

01:49:44.517 --> 01:49:50.945
[SPEAKER_01]: The other two are doing the gimmicks of, like, who could have for my services, you know, spent on a raw, which is fine, they've done it before.

01:49:51.445 --> 01:50:02.999
[SPEAKER_01]: But I do feel that Javanavans still has, believe it or not, he still has that stigma of, like, oh, he's a high flyer, and that's a term name would use a high flyer, which hasn't been used in years.

01:50:03.540 --> 01:50:06.343
[SPEAKER_01]: And so we can really go all the way with him.

01:50:06.323 --> 01:50:08.345
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, he doesn't know how to tell story in the green.

01:50:08.445 --> 01:50:09.887
[SPEAKER_01]: We have to ground him a little bit.

01:50:10.848 --> 01:50:12.911
[SPEAKER_01]: So that's going to be his barrier.

01:50:13.431 --> 01:50:17.176
[SPEAKER_01]: And Trig Williams is going to get all, you know, he's going to get all the opportunities.

01:50:17.496 --> 01:50:28.669
[SPEAKER_01]: Even though he out of block three, I don't want to say he's the weaker when it comes to wrestling, because Opa is relatively new, but he's closer to Opa than he is to Jibon Evans, as far as work ready.

01:50:29.392 --> 01:50:31.395
[SPEAKER_01]: So this is what I'm trying to say.

01:50:32.357 --> 01:50:36.103
[SPEAKER_01]: Trick Williams is going to have to prove to them that he's not a main event guy.

01:50:36.624 --> 01:50:40.751
[SPEAKER_01]: Whereas the other two are going to have to prove to them that they deserve a main event shot.

01:50:40.771 --> 01:50:43.696
[SPEAKER_01]: So that's what we're out with with those three kind of this.

01:50:43.716 --> 01:50:44.377
[SPEAKER_00]: I think I'm with you.

01:50:44.537 --> 01:50:45.098
[SPEAKER_00]: I think I'm with you.

01:50:46.420 --> 01:50:46.781
[SPEAKER_00]: All right.

01:50:47.422 --> 01:50:54.353
[SPEAKER_00]: Does Gunther truly get over as one of the top two or three stars in WWE in 2026?

01:50:54.856 --> 01:50:55.337
[SPEAKER_01]: I think so.

01:50:55.357 --> 01:50:56.178
[SPEAKER_01]: I think he's already there.

01:50:56.458 --> 01:51:00.805
[SPEAKER_01]: I think he, you know, the heat that he's getting for this, which is weird, but whatever.

01:51:01.205 --> 01:51:10.399
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, and also, look, if, if, if last night, this takes to do business with him and puts them over the right way, he's in the stratosphere at that point.

01:51:10.419 --> 01:51:12.702
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, that would be amazing to see that.

01:51:13.022 --> 01:51:15.085
[SPEAKER_01]: But I don't know if Brock is the type of guy to do that.

01:51:15.125 --> 01:51:24.559
[SPEAKER_01]: I think he respects you, which I don't know how he feels about

01:51:24.539 --> 01:51:30.829
[SPEAKER_01]: Gunter's not a young guy, like why, you know, and then what is the end game with Gunter?

01:51:30.849 --> 01:51:33.093
[SPEAKER_01]: Who does he eventually put a trigwellium?

01:51:33.193 --> 01:51:34.976
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, who does he eventually give it to?

01:51:35.637 --> 01:51:41.968
[SPEAKER_01]: One of the ones that I really, one of the ones that I want to see, I would rather save lessner for Obafemi.

01:51:41.988 --> 01:51:47.597
[SPEAKER_01]: I would rather see that, but I should have, I have lessner put Obafemi over clean and get this guy going.

01:51:47.637 --> 01:51:51.323
[SPEAKER_01]: That's a

01:51:51.877 --> 01:52:00.545
[SPEAKER_01]: But it is the headline match if they do it at WrestleMania or if they want to do the retirement angle with a with a with comfort they can wait for Minneapolis at SummerSlam.

01:52:02.407 --> 01:52:07.992
[SPEAKER_00]: I think they have great plans for Gunther.

01:52:09.954 --> 01:52:18.222
[SPEAKER_00]: I'd say that the top of that card, there's so many sharks at the top of that card.

01:52:18.843 --> 01:52:25.997
[SPEAKER_00]: Is Gunther, if Gunther is going to be top two or three in the entire company in 2026, one of these guys has to drop.

01:52:27.240 --> 01:52:32.430
[SPEAKER_00]: CM Punk, Cody Rhodes, Roman Reigns,

01:52:32.782 --> 01:52:36.888
[SPEAKER_00]: And I guess, I would put Drew up there right now, but Drew's replaceable.

01:52:36.928 --> 01:52:38.250
[SPEAKER_00]: Gunther could replace Drew.

01:52:41.194 --> 01:52:41.694
[SPEAKER_00]: No, no.

01:52:41.755 --> 01:52:42.476
[SPEAKER_00]: You're right.

01:52:43.217 --> 01:52:44.318
[SPEAKER_00]: There's no John Cena.

01:52:44.879 --> 01:52:46.061
[SPEAKER_00]: So there's a spot.

01:52:47.082 --> 01:52:51.448
[SPEAKER_00]: So he's got can he get to the Cody punk.

01:52:51.428 --> 01:52:56.214
[SPEAKER_00]: And remember, without Jericho coming to know and Roman and Jericho and now they're trying to ascend Ron Bricker.

01:52:56.234 --> 01:52:57.916
[SPEAKER_00]: So there's a lot of moving pieces.

01:52:58.357 --> 01:53:09.491
[SPEAKER_00]: Like I think Gunther is the most dependable pro wrestler that they have for sure, but can he be bigger than he is now and take advantage of the John Cena win?

01:53:09.551 --> 01:53:11.894
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not so sure.

01:53:11.954 --> 01:53:13.977
[SPEAKER_00]: I think they have hopes.

01:53:13.957 --> 01:53:20.985
[SPEAKER_00]: But I don't know, if I look at Triple H, the Triple H truly believe Gunther is the biggest star in the company.

01:53:21.186 --> 01:53:22.107
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't see it.

01:53:22.187 --> 01:53:23.108
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not so sure.

01:53:23.268 --> 01:53:28.815
[SPEAKER_00]: So it's more what I think Triple H sees versus what I see, because Gunther's awesome.

01:53:28.835 --> 01:53:36.724
[SPEAKER_00]: But he wouldn't be the guy that you would choose to be the face of your company if you were picking out of everyone in the company today.

01:53:36.704 --> 01:53:41.613
[SPEAKER_01]: No, I think he said I think he's a guy that they want to kind of depend on to put somebody over a huge.

01:53:42.014 --> 01:53:46.141
[SPEAKER_01]: So you build him up to eventually pass him over to somebody else.

01:53:46.281 --> 01:53:47.964
[SPEAKER_01]: I did that's the point of building up Gunther.

01:53:49.387 --> 01:53:49.587
[SPEAKER_00]: All right.

01:53:49.607 --> 01:53:50.349
[SPEAKER_00]: Let's move over.

01:53:50.369 --> 01:53:52.593
[SPEAKER_00]: I got two questions about AEW and we'll get out of here.

01:53:54.336 --> 01:53:55.198
[SPEAKER_00]: Who do you think?

01:53:55.358 --> 01:53:55.658
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.

01:53:55.719 --> 01:53:59.826
[SPEAKER_00]: What do you think of AEW heading into 2026?

01:54:00.548 --> 01:54:04.213
[SPEAKER_00]: This hangman story of avenging the deathwriters is over.

01:54:04.273 --> 01:54:05.815
[SPEAKER_00]: He's not even the champion anymore.

01:54:06.496 --> 01:54:08.219
[SPEAKER_00]: MJF is the champion again.

01:54:08.279 --> 01:54:15.389
[SPEAKER_00]: John Moxley turned babyface seemingly in the most ludicrous babyface turn in the history of wrestling, even though it worked.

01:54:15.930 --> 01:54:20.937
[SPEAKER_00]: But like what what are the stories left to tell for AEW in 2026?

01:54:21.794 --> 01:54:30.950
[SPEAKER_01]: thing A, W, first of all, we're going to, it's going to be the, the MJF show again, because he's not, I don't see him gain a rain less than 12 months.

01:54:31.211 --> 01:54:36.520
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, MJF, last time he got, it was about a year and a couple months, the last rain.

01:54:37.021 --> 01:54:42.992
[SPEAKER_01]: So we're going to see a lot of MJF, saying of contenders for MJF over and over, which is cool because they have the guys.

01:54:43.057 --> 01:54:57.657
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, I think for Revolution, which I'll be at life, we're all going to see some sort of rematch with the Hangman and MJF, which is weird because they wrestle the last years at Revolution.

01:54:58.615 --> 01:55:00.118
[SPEAKER_01]: That's his first few, right?

01:55:00.198 --> 01:55:04.207
[SPEAKER_01]: Because, you know, MJ didn't get pin, you know?

01:55:04.408 --> 01:55:07.514
[SPEAKER_01]: So he just, you know, he's gonna be the top contender.

01:55:07.955 --> 01:55:12.666
[SPEAKER_01]: And let's go back and somehow have some more Joe get, you know, deserve a rematch or whatever, but I don't think so.

01:55:13.728 --> 01:55:14.891
[SPEAKER_01]: Cause he's the one that got pin.

01:55:14.951 --> 01:55:18.278
[SPEAKER_01]: So it's like, you know, he lost, it lost the bell.

01:55:18.258 --> 01:55:37.768
[SPEAKER_01]: So I think we're going to see that, I think we're going to see John Moxie's going to fune with the debt writers for a while, you know, but it's interesting to me as a question that I have, that means that there's a slot open for a new leader of the debt writers if they want to contain you then, you know, kind of how to do it.

01:55:38.137 --> 01:55:41.943
[SPEAKER_01]: Uh, no, not, I doesn't have the mic skills.

01:55:41.963 --> 01:55:43.386
[SPEAKER_01]: And he said, he's hardly ever there.

01:55:43.406 --> 01:55:44.347
[SPEAKER_01]: And that comes and goes.

01:55:44.427 --> 01:55:45.749
[SPEAKER_01]: But he wasn't even there at the paper.

01:55:45.789 --> 01:55:46.531
[SPEAKER_01]: You and he's not heard.

01:55:46.951 --> 01:55:48.754
[SPEAKER_01]: It was just the other three or four.

01:55:49.656 --> 01:55:52.621
[SPEAKER_01]: Because I don't even know that Daniel Garcia, he's become such a nutty.

01:55:52.641 --> 01:55:54.904
[SPEAKER_01]: He's worse off being the dead virus than he was.

01:55:55.365 --> 01:55:57.048
[SPEAKER_01]: When he was a nobody as a baby face.

01:55:57.589 --> 01:55:59.412
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, because he's not just invisible.

01:55:59.972 --> 01:56:02.757
[SPEAKER_01]: And at least before he was boring and somewhat invisible.

01:56:02.937 --> 01:56:05.241
[SPEAKER_00]: At least he had a dance when he was a baby face.

01:56:05.373 --> 01:56:05.934
[SPEAKER_01]: There you go.

01:56:06.414 --> 01:56:13.320
[SPEAKER_01]: So, so I think they could do kind of like the judgment they can make where they keep on kind of cycling and it's not like leaders of the pack.

01:56:14.001 --> 01:56:16.503
[SPEAKER_01]: And in this situation, there's an opening for that.

01:56:16.543 --> 01:56:17.944
[SPEAKER_01]: I do wonder who's gonna take it.

01:56:18.825 --> 01:56:21.388
[SPEAKER_01]: I feel like, I don't know.

01:56:21.408 --> 01:56:23.650
[SPEAKER_01]: I wonder if they wanna keep that shooter dynamic.

01:56:23.670 --> 01:56:23.970
[SPEAKER_01]: Took us.

01:56:24.350 --> 01:56:27.913
[SPEAKER_01]: I feel like Ricochet would be great but he would take the group in another direction.

01:56:28.014 --> 01:56:29.034
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that's too wacky.

01:56:29.575 --> 01:56:30.216
[SPEAKER_01]: Right, right.

01:56:30.256 --> 01:56:35.160
[SPEAKER_01]: So, so that's interesting to keep.

01:56:36.119 --> 01:56:38.781
[SPEAKER_01]: Obviously, the Takashita and O'Kala thing will continue.

01:56:39.002 --> 01:56:44.266
[SPEAKER_01]: And I hope it gets blown off in a real match because I was very disappointed with their match at the paper view.

01:56:44.306 --> 01:56:45.727
[SPEAKER_00]: That finish was awful.

01:56:46.268 --> 01:56:47.589
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but I do like that.

01:56:47.689 --> 01:56:50.251
[SPEAKER_01]: There were some sort of things that I've been enjoying about AWS.

01:56:50.291 --> 01:56:51.312
[SPEAKER_01]: I hope they continue this.

01:56:51.833 --> 01:56:53.194
[SPEAKER_01]: I'll go through a couple of real quick.

01:56:53.214 --> 01:57:04.624
[SPEAKER_01]: The first one is Samoa Joe's character and how he's realized that he's all now and he needs, he needs the protection, right?

01:57:04.604 --> 01:57:10.714
[SPEAKER_01]: But again, what I love about that is that they never tell you that you're supposed to understand through his body language, to his promos.

01:57:11.556 --> 01:57:17.646
[SPEAKER_01]: He started to show that he's more of a coward, but that the reason that he's more cowardly is because father time finally caught up to him.

01:57:17.666 --> 01:57:19.990
[SPEAKER_01]: He can't be that powerful, some more jolly work.

01:57:20.010 --> 01:57:20.491
[SPEAKER_01]: I love that.

01:57:20.511 --> 01:57:23.035
[SPEAKER_01]: I love that stuff about wrestling when it's done right.

01:57:23.015 --> 01:57:36.095
[SPEAKER_01]: And then another thing is the impression of the Don Cavus family, because I do like that subtlety of like a kind of taking the screwdriver away from Kyle Fletcher and then when he did it, it wasn't there.

01:57:36.455 --> 01:57:38.839
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I love the fact how they never, they never harp down that.

01:57:38.899 --> 01:57:40.281
[SPEAKER_01]: They just, you saw it.

01:57:40.261 --> 01:57:57.595
[SPEAKER_01]: it happened and it's just like step one and another thinks happening with the with the don't count as family that's gonna eventually you know lead to the implosion which is not just with a cotton tuck or sheeta it's gonna be with a lot of different members so i like that i love that child fletcher will never not watch the monitor before as match again

01:57:57.693 --> 01:58:00.536
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, that's always a plopper with wrestling, right?

01:58:01.838 --> 01:58:08.606
[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, so I think they're gonna be in the same position they've been, they've been in and but that's not a bad thing.

01:58:08.807 --> 01:58:14.313
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, it's just you're getting your weekly dose of wrestling and yeah, we'll see what happens.

01:58:14.493 --> 01:58:19.399
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm trying to think if they have any young guys up on the rise.

01:58:19.940 --> 01:58:22.163
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think they do, right?

01:58:22.563 --> 01:58:26.468
[SPEAKER_00]: There's one guy and we'll talk about him right now because this is my next question.

01:58:27.477 --> 01:58:41.605
[SPEAKER_01]: uh the the one guy that I'm thinking of is it's obviously kind of flexor he's the one that yeah I love that guy but I see great but you know what I see he and I'm gonna say this right now he's gonna be a star that we will you one day

01:58:41.720 --> 01:58:43.763
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, that's what a lot of people said.

01:58:43.783 --> 01:58:47.347
[SPEAKER_00]: But I think he just re-uped with AEW recently.

01:58:47.407 --> 01:58:47.607
[SPEAKER_00]: So.

01:58:47.848 --> 01:58:55.517
[SPEAKER_01]: But he's Taylor May for the WWE, though, when he's tall, he's bad, and he's not a, what they would consider like a high flyer.

01:58:55.577 --> 01:59:00.303
[SPEAKER_01]: He's like, I see Paul LaVec seen money with that guy.

01:59:00.323 --> 01:59:02.686
[SPEAKER_01]: Like he's 26 years old or something like that.

01:59:03.027 --> 01:59:03.227
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

01:59:03.247 --> 01:59:10.596
[SPEAKER_01]: And it's like, I see him like a surrounding

01:59:10.576 --> 01:59:15.100
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, I seem big money with him in the WWE, but you're right.

01:59:15.121 --> 01:59:16.830
[SPEAKER_01]: He is the future of the WWE right now.

01:59:17.815 --> 01:59:18.358
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.

01:59:19.790 --> 01:59:28.465
[SPEAKER_00]: The goal, I'm sure, is for Will Osprey to be back in AEW by all in because that is going to be at Wimbley Stadium.

01:59:28.525 --> 01:59:29.988
[SPEAKER_00]: It would be the big selling point.

01:59:30.048 --> 01:59:40.667
[SPEAKER_00]: They got to sell a ton of tickets for that show, but the reality is this man is coming off of a next surgery and that time isn't necessarily predictable.

01:59:41.221 --> 02:00:08.258
[SPEAKER_00]: there he may miss that show it it it it could be close but he may have to miss that show and then we have to wait for Wembleed another two years for for him to finally win that world title at Wembley so if it is not if we'll aspirate is not ready by all in 2026 what is your main event to your biggest show of the year for AEW?

02:00:10.162 --> 02:00:16.512
[SPEAKER_01]: I feel like Marx has whizzled his way as the baby facing to the top of the man scene again.

02:00:16.612 --> 02:00:17.373
[SPEAKER_01]: So he's fresh.

02:00:18.555 --> 02:00:32.237
[SPEAKER_01]: So I feel like if you do this right, you could go with Marx and MJF, if you build it up to August, because I was surprised how over Marx is all of a sudden, like I really am.

02:00:32.555 --> 02:00:40.462
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, and he got again, the most ludicrous baby face turn, maybe in the history of wrestling, and yet he did it perfectly.

02:00:40.482 --> 02:00:45.467
[SPEAKER_00]: I still, it's, it's weird to me that his man was trying to kill people.

02:00:45.527 --> 02:00:53.455
[SPEAKER_01]: And now it's like, cheered, but, uh, yeah, no, but, but I also feel that he, it's, it's booking 101.

02:00:53.515 --> 02:01:01.482
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, the Steve Austin gimmick of 2026, um, you know, uh, and you have MJF continually putting barriers in front of him.

02:01:01.748 --> 02:01:11.559
[SPEAKER_01]: MJF could be for a little short time, MJF could take over the death writers and he could be their new leader just for the purpose of this angle, right?

02:01:11.879 --> 02:01:26.676
[SPEAKER_01]: He gets into their head, you know, he gets them to turn on on moxley and then you build it up that way, you know, so you essentially turn MJF and the death writers into Vince McMahon and his crew, back in 1998.

02:01:26.656 --> 02:01:32.051
[SPEAKER_01]: And I think that would be kind of cool, too, because I mean, you know, the way Moscow salad is like heartbreaking, right?

02:01:32.071 --> 02:01:41.256
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, he, his crew is family turning on him and now he's got to rise up, you know, the whole redemption story and culminating at, at, at, at,

02:01:41.523 --> 02:01:49.474
[SPEAKER_01]: at all in, like you said, um, but it's carnival by mocks because he, he really should have been that spot, but I'm just saying that's how it worked out.

02:01:49.915 --> 02:01:53.300
[SPEAKER_01]: And so, you know, let them have another year of being a made man guy.

02:01:53.380 --> 02:01:54.141
[SPEAKER_01]: It's a baby face.

02:01:54.161 --> 02:01:54.802
[SPEAKER_01]: So it's different.

02:01:55.062 --> 02:01:59.269
[SPEAKER_00]: There's, there's some moxley detractors for sure.

02:02:00.991 --> 02:02:04.476
[SPEAKER_00]: But I kind of saw it like you in that,

02:02:05.165 --> 02:02:07.812
[SPEAKER_00]: He might just be like one of the smart guys in the company.

02:02:08.293 --> 02:02:09.055
[SPEAKER_00]: No, I think he has.

02:02:09.355 --> 02:02:10.598
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, he showed us that ears.

02:02:11.200 --> 02:02:11.621
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

02:02:11.641 --> 02:02:12.864
[SPEAKER_00]: So that's how I read it as well.

02:02:12.904 --> 02:02:17.295
[SPEAKER_00]: He was like, he's just reading the tea leaves and was like, you know, this is this is thing.

02:02:17.315 --> 02:02:19.741
[SPEAKER_00]: This is this is the time, but it worked.

02:02:20.122 --> 02:02:22.127
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, here's my, here's my idea.

02:02:22.681 --> 02:02:39.123
[SPEAKER_00]: And I think they would have to make this decision, probably by the spring, so maybe after revolution, obviously if we'll's ready, it's mjf and will, and yes, I don't want will that if he's ready, if he's not ready, they may have to figure that out sooner than later.

02:02:39.224 --> 02:02:39.985
[SPEAKER_00]: And here's what I do.

02:02:41.467 --> 02:02:47.575
[SPEAKER_00]: I would do and does is is is smelling what I'm cooking here, I would.

02:02:48.719 --> 02:02:52.766
[SPEAKER_00]: have Kyle Fletcher turned baby face by the callous family.

02:02:52.786 --> 02:02:59.196
[SPEAKER_00]: And I would have him resolved whatever the feud is in one of the summer paper views before all in.

02:03:00.499 --> 02:03:11.537
[SPEAKER_00]: And then I would have

02:03:11.737 --> 02:03:40.849
[SPEAKER_00]: to go out there and win the world title and beat MJF as a baby face that would be my creative for all and if no will if no will aspirates ready and and look this is me because I like baby faces Tony Khan seemingly can't build a baby face to save his life because he always that's a pretty it is hard he always goes back to the heels right like hangman we saw this story I was like yes hangman mocks in hangman had such a great match and we had this great

02:03:40.829 --> 02:03:45.615
[SPEAKER_00]: And then a couple of months down the line in Hangman is titles already off the student.

02:03:45.715 --> 02:03:46.456
[SPEAKER_00]: And I get it.

02:03:46.636 --> 02:04:05.740
[SPEAKER_00]: It's easier to book your stories around having a heel champion if you're Tony Khan, the way that he, you know, he's going to be a little bit leaning more towards the NWA, the way that they use Rick Flair, then Hulk Hogan was used by WWE F. So, but I always look towards building that baby face and you have Fletcher.

02:04:06.192 --> 02:04:21.703
[SPEAKER_00]: And then you can do whatever you want with Fletcher and Osprey down the line and you know maybe maybe you do wait another two years and and and then you do that man I don't know post next year's all in but I would love to see them.

02:04:21.768 --> 02:04:30.056
[SPEAKER_00]: lean into Fletcher because I think ultimately as good of a heel as he is, I think it's going to be an insane baby face when the time is right.

02:04:30.196 --> 02:04:31.317
[SPEAKER_00]: So that's what I would do.

02:04:31.337 --> 02:04:40.546
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, he's just he's got to, he's about to get off that juice, man, because I hate what's what's going on with a, that's the whole another story, man.

02:04:40.566 --> 02:04:48.013
[SPEAKER_01]: They're all, you know, swirl the pack and then, you know, Kyle Fletcher, they're all seem like they have the same doctor.

02:04:48.293 --> 02:04:50.475
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.

02:04:51.502 --> 02:04:59.999
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, I always think about this because, you know, we lived through this experience of what steroid damage can do to you.

02:05:00.059 --> 02:05:08.295
[SPEAKER_00]: But at the same time, I think we are led to believe that the abuse of some of the other drugs are much less today.

02:05:08.275 --> 02:05:21.596
[SPEAKER_00]: But then we watch and see these guys killing themselves in the rings, you would go like, how are they dealing with their bodies being beat up all the time so much so that Tony can't book dynamite matches until like the last minute because it is no is going to be available.

02:05:22.658 --> 02:05:24.661
[SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, I worry about that stuff too.

02:05:24.701 --> 02:05:35.498
[SPEAKER_00]: It is it is such a vanity business still even if they tell us that in today's day and age.

02:05:35.697 --> 02:05:37.999
[SPEAKER_00]: It's not even about size anymore yet.

02:05:38.880 --> 02:05:40.021
[SPEAKER_00]: Everybody still wants to get bigger.

02:05:40.101 --> 02:05:40.982
[SPEAKER_00]: So I don't know.

02:05:41.002 --> 02:05:42.304
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, but it's happening a lot in the future.

02:05:42.324 --> 02:05:43.565
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not going to be a wrestling, I guess.

02:05:44.366 --> 02:05:46.228
[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe I don't have a lot of names.

02:05:46.248 --> 02:05:51.233
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, maybe because everybody's smaller than they in the US, so that both is more noticeable.

02:05:51.533 --> 02:05:53.195
[SPEAKER_01]: But I'm sure it's happening in WWE too.

02:05:53.315 --> 02:05:57.199
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, you know, Austin Theory was just on television.

02:05:57.219 --> 02:06:02.464
[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm not saying Austin Theory is on steroids, but that dude was fit and cut and jacked.

02:06:02.528 --> 02:06:05.533
[SPEAKER_01]: But he's always been like that, though, kind of.

02:06:05.553 --> 02:06:06.554
[SPEAKER_01]: It was more than usual.

02:06:07.195 --> 02:06:07.996
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

02:06:08.016 --> 02:06:10.079
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, this is awesome.

02:06:10.099 --> 02:06:14.887
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm glad we were able to make the time on New Year's Eve and shout out to everyone who was hanging out with us.

02:06:15.848 --> 02:06:20.936
[SPEAKER_00]: But last question, and we'll get out of here, because you're a movie guy.

02:06:20.976 --> 02:06:25.903
[SPEAKER_00]: What movie are you looking most forward to in 2026?

02:06:26.693 --> 02:06:33.265
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, I think it's going to sound like such a cop-out because it's such a popular movie, but Avengers doomsday.

02:06:33.785 --> 02:06:34.206
[SPEAKER_00]: Wow.

02:06:34.286 --> 02:06:35.669
[SPEAKER_00]: I thought you were going to say the Odyssey.

02:06:36.771 --> 02:06:37.572
[SPEAKER_01]: Best of that second.

02:06:37.592 --> 02:06:40.097
[SPEAKER_01]: That's, yeah, that's, I saw the six minute preview there.

02:06:40.117 --> 02:06:40.658
[SPEAKER_01]: It was awesome.

02:06:41.379 --> 02:06:44.424
[SPEAKER_01]: But no, I mean, I'm always going to go back to the MCU, man.

02:06:44.464 --> 02:06:45.166
[SPEAKER_01]: They got me, bro.

02:06:45.206 --> 02:06:45.706
[SPEAKER_01]: They got me.

02:06:45.727 --> 02:06:47.149
[SPEAKER_01]: And I never just,

02:06:47.348 --> 02:06:54.138
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't like that because there's this idea that I'm like a comic book guy and I don't know anything about that like you know.

02:06:54.158 --> 02:06:54.859
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, me neither.

02:06:55.480 --> 02:07:00.968
[SPEAKER_01]: But I appreciate what Kevin fight he did with the MCU and the concept going all the way.

02:07:01.249 --> 02:07:03.792
[SPEAKER_01]: And then the Biden him in the ass, that's a conversation from another time.

02:07:03.813 --> 02:07:12.225
[SPEAKER_01]: But I thought I think what he started and how many eagles he had to appease and work with to get to this point.

02:07:12.205 --> 02:07:20.194
[SPEAKER_01]: It's pretty fascinating to me, and then now with all these teasers that are coming out, Disney has an interesting strategy.

02:07:20.234 --> 02:07:22.076
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know if you know about this.

02:07:22.097 --> 02:07:24.439
[SPEAKER_01]: They're leaking these trailers, right?

02:07:24.459 --> 02:07:25.240
[SPEAKER_01]: They're leaking them.

02:07:25.881 --> 02:07:29.605
[SPEAKER_01]: So you're seeing them in that fall and they're very blurry.

02:07:30.446 --> 02:07:41.419
[SPEAKER_01]: But now they're also working with people on YouTube, people that have big follow-ins and having them have their reaction to leak trailers.

02:07:41.838 --> 02:07:44.242
[SPEAKER_01]: which is an interesting strategy.

02:07:45.003 --> 02:07:51.555
[SPEAKER_00]: So I saw the Captain America one and I saw the Thor one and just recently being at the movies.

02:07:52.797 --> 02:07:56.944
[SPEAKER_00]: Do you think that this is a bit of WCW 96 like?

02:07:57.785 --> 02:08:06.423
[SPEAKER_00]: We're leaning so heavy on the guys that we supposedly moved away from, because that's the only way that we think we can do these movies.

02:08:06.463 --> 02:08:09.529
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, the problem is that phase five phase four and five didn't get over.

02:08:09.549 --> 02:08:09.649
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

02:08:10.631 --> 02:08:12.175
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, not in whatsoever.

02:08:12.315 --> 02:08:13.457
[SPEAKER_01]: And it's not all there.

02:08:13.517 --> 02:08:14.920
[SPEAKER_01]: But they made a lot of mistakes along the way.

02:08:14.980 --> 02:08:17.245
[SPEAKER_00]: It was the new generation of the WWF.

02:08:17.900 --> 02:08:18.903
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.

02:08:20.428 --> 02:08:32.263
[SPEAKER_01]: What, well Kevin Feige has gone on record saying that all he was doing was following orders from who was the one that was the head of HBO before wasn't in came back.

02:08:32.615 --> 02:08:35.459
[SPEAKER_01]: I forget his name, but he had a directive.

02:08:35.520 --> 02:08:36.902
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, you're talking about Bob Chapack.

02:08:37.322 --> 02:08:44.874
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, Bob Chapack told Kevin Feigin that he won't, he has a directive to produce as much content as possible because we're going to launch this app.

02:08:45.275 --> 02:08:48.460
[SPEAKER_01]: So Kevin Feigin was like, I would just have to produce content.

02:08:48.480 --> 02:08:48.901
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.

02:08:49.261 --> 02:08:50.844
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, that does make a lot of sense.

02:08:51.425 --> 02:08:54.910
[SPEAKER_00]: And so it's the first days of Disney plus.

02:08:55.177 --> 02:09:14.603
[SPEAKER_01]: right and he regrets nothing like that did a lot of damage to the brand and so we couldn't get you start losing focus and I couldn't I couldn't manage all these different projects going at the same time so now they're bringing it back to where they're only releasing two films that year down so but yeah no no and then you missed the X man the latest one is the X man one oh yeah I don't think that one yet

02:09:14.583 --> 02:09:16.585
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, well, it's in the leaked stage right now.

02:09:16.605 --> 02:09:17.826
[SPEAKER_01]: It'll be in the theaters next week.

02:09:18.587 --> 02:09:20.849
[SPEAKER_01]: And that was awesome, man.

02:09:20.969 --> 02:09:22.671
[SPEAKER_01]: I got caught up with that one.

02:09:22.691 --> 02:09:25.594
[SPEAKER_01]: So that's what I'm looking forward to.

02:09:25.614 --> 02:09:26.254
[SPEAKER_01]: That's a year away.

02:09:26.274 --> 02:09:27.055
[SPEAKER_01]: That's next December.

02:09:27.455 --> 02:09:32.641
[SPEAKER_01]: The Odyssey is looking like there's going to be something like a big, big, big, big, big, big, big.

02:09:32.801 --> 02:09:36.004
[SPEAKER_00]: Avengers and Doom 3 drop on the same day, I think.

02:09:36.504 --> 02:09:44.472
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I have to leave what I was in a bunch, because they're going to have to the same audience.

02:09:44.823 --> 02:09:50.801
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know, will you be like throwing down or like, I don't know, because, because, because, because somebody had great first, right?

02:09:51.022 --> 02:09:59.187
[SPEAKER_00]: Some is the first and, um, all right, not that we need to keep talking about Marvel, but, uh, which thing about the fantastic four?

02:09:59.842 --> 02:10:04.510
[SPEAKER_01]: I was a little other one by it, it was, yeah, I was just there.

02:10:05.151 --> 02:10:06.554
[SPEAKER_00]: They didn't seem big enough to me.

02:10:07.014 --> 02:10:07.936
[SPEAKER_01]: It didn't seem big enough.

02:10:07.956 --> 02:10:16.551
[SPEAKER_01]: It seemed very, very enclosed and it's all little bubble, which I guess was the point in a lot of ways, but it just, I don't know.

02:10:16.531 --> 02:10:17.572
[SPEAKER_01]: It wasn't very long.

02:10:17.612 --> 02:10:18.313
[SPEAKER_01]: It was like an hour.

02:10:18.333 --> 02:10:23.898
[SPEAKER_01]: So to me, these movies need at least two hours to be, especially when you're bringing back such a big franchise like the fantastic war.

02:10:25.120 --> 02:10:29.644
[SPEAKER_01]: It seemed to me that this world had already existed and we just got thrown right in the middle of it.

02:10:29.664 --> 02:10:31.066
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, I feel like this is a part two.

02:10:31.126 --> 02:10:32.287
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, we're happy to part one.

02:10:32.707 --> 02:10:37.713
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, we're missing so much information and we just got thrown into this world of violence already in motion.

02:10:38.754 --> 02:10:43.078
[SPEAKER_01]: So I was a little on the, it wasn't a bad movie whatsoever, but I just, I was a little on the wild.

02:10:43.885 --> 02:10:49.253
[SPEAKER_00]: Uh, and then uh, when it is Spidey coming out in 2026 as well, that's another bit what that's in July.

02:10:50.094 --> 02:10:50.395
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.

02:10:50.715 --> 02:10:50.895
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

02:10:50.955 --> 02:10:52.438
[SPEAKER_00]: That'll be a big one project.

02:10:52.458 --> 02:10:54.821
[SPEAKER_01]: How Mary's won that a lot of people are waiting for us.

02:10:54.841 --> 02:10:55.462
[SPEAKER_01]: Wow.

02:10:55.482 --> 02:10:58.647
[SPEAKER_00]: Is that the, is that a, in space, is that the space one.

02:10:58.807 --> 02:10:59.548
[SPEAKER_01]: That's a space one.

02:10:59.568 --> 02:10:59.788
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

02:10:59.868 --> 02:11:00.509
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.

02:11:00.529 --> 02:11:02.312
[SPEAKER_00]: What about man, what about Mandalorian?

02:11:03.594 --> 02:11:05.316
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, that's not my thing anymore, man.

02:11:05.357 --> 02:11:06.598
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, it's not a make it.

02:11:06.719 --> 02:11:11.125
[SPEAKER_01]: It's just Star Wars has, yeah, they're actually got the drain.

02:11:11.493 --> 02:11:15.558
[SPEAKER_00]: if Kathleen Kennedy's on her way out, hopefully that means good things.

02:11:16.179 --> 02:11:27.835
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so I mean, there's no bus for it, and the trainers are out, I mean, people in that's no excitement for it, and think about it, grow Google and the Mandalorian were so over like three years ago, and it's like, now it's like, nobody really talks about it.

02:11:27.855 --> 02:11:30.578
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, this movie feels like it's about three years late.

02:11:31.079 --> 02:11:37.027
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's just talking about the, the Madden movie with Nicholas K. Oh my gosh, that looks so terrible.

02:11:37.247 --> 02:11:40.892
[SPEAKER_01]: But I think that's going to write to prime, it's not going to be at the

02:11:41.328 --> 02:11:48.939
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I'm reading a, no, I didn't see the trailer, but I've seen all of the shots of what Nick Cage looks like, you know, I'm reading it.

02:11:48.979 --> 02:11:54.487
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm actually reading a book on John Madden, Pat Summer all right now, because there's a book about them as broadcasts.

02:11:54.868 --> 02:11:56.190
[SPEAKER_01]: Is that a Christian building a play?

02:11:57.011 --> 02:11:57.692
[SPEAKER_01]: Pat Summer?

02:11:57.712 --> 02:11:59.274
[SPEAKER_00]: No, he's playing out Davis.

02:11:59.735 --> 02:12:00.276
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, that's right.

02:12:00.296 --> 02:12:00.957
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yeah.

02:12:00.977 --> 02:12:01.277
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

02:12:01.797 --> 02:12:06.785
[SPEAKER_00]: So the Raiders coach and the owner, but all right, I had to hit you up about that.

02:12:06.825 --> 02:12:08.648
[SPEAKER_00]: Just got was going to ask you any ways in tech.

02:12:08.688 --> 02:12:11.052
[SPEAKER_00]: So I figured might as well ask you on on the air.

02:12:11.913 --> 02:12:12.293
[SPEAKER_00]: All right.

02:12:12.554 --> 02:12:14.176
[SPEAKER_00]: That is it from here.

02:12:14.196 --> 02:12:16.440
[SPEAKER_00]: I want to thank Draven for hanging out.

02:12:16.460 --> 02:12:19.605
[SPEAKER_00]: Thanks everybody to who are in the chat.

02:12:20.026 --> 02:12:22.810
[SPEAKER_00]: It is a great catching up with with Desah who

02:12:22.790 --> 02:12:32.783
[SPEAKER_00]: He, my famous DASA story is he and I tied on kiss, miniature golf back in the day of the early convention F4D convention day.

02:12:33.043 --> 02:12:36.327
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, what weathering heights too, I've seen lots of posters about that one.

02:12:37.389 --> 02:12:38.090
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

02:12:38.110 --> 02:12:40.973
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, so for Draven, I am WG.

02:12:41.834 --> 02:12:45.439
[SPEAKER_00]: We will see you when we see you piece out.