Wrestle Kingdom 20 Preview: Tanahashi vs. Okada & WK20 Full Card | Speaking of Strong Style

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[SPEAKER_03]: The rest of Kingdom 20 card is out and allegedly finalized, but let's just say choices have been made.

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[SPEAKER_03]: It's a bit of a puzzler.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So while the dome is sold out for Hiroshi Tanahashi's retirement magicous conceptual pata, the question is, does this card put New Japan in a position to succeed going into 2026?

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[SPEAKER_03]: These are important questions.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So we brought in some reinforcements to help us out.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Jeremy down event and a young boy Joshua Smith keeping the strong style.

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[SPEAKER_03]: We'll join us to give their thoughts, predictions, and analysis of rest of the team of 20, plus we'll tag with each other in sports awards.

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[SPEAKER_03]: We've got a lot to do, so let's get started.

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[SPEAKER_03]: With Jeremy Feinstein, I'm Stephen Conway.

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[SPEAKER_03]: This is Steve Armstrong's side.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Welcome, everyone.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Speaking of strong style, we just got some new issues in events surrounding New Japan pro wrestling.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Jeremy, this is exciting.

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[SPEAKER_03]: We have special guests.

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[SPEAKER_03]: We do.

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[SPEAKER_02]: They have my same name, too.

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[SPEAKER_02]: We have another hand.

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[SPEAKER_02]: We have Jeremy Donovan of keeping up strong style and his partner, young boy, Josh, especially Josh, we'll be joining us later, but Jeremy, hi, how are you?

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm great man.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm glad to be on speaking of strong styles at the ultimate strong style combo here between us and me and Josh from keeping it strong style.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So happy to be here guys.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And I've got to say one thing very quickly is when Jeremy and I Jeremy fights on that decided to do this show, we were looking at names and we were looking at this and I just said, Okay, something strong style, something strong style and I saw it keep in the strong style and I just thought, Okay, well, maybe we come up with something else and we're just like speaking in strong style, Okay, because that was the thing we had to speak in strong style in mind.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And so I keep it in strong style and it's different enough.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I don't think they're going to get us too mixed up.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I think we're okay.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And it's been a while in my friend's house, so I don't think so.

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[SPEAKER_03]: But that was a funny moment there where I just saw, I just saw, oh, maybe this is already taken.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, we're all right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I'll get out at the end of day, we're all stealing strong style from New Japan.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So yeah.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So you've been around for eight years.

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[SPEAKER_02]: If you've been one of the longest running week we knew Japan podcasts in the business and congratulations on that.

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[SPEAKER_02]: What prompted you to get into podcasting about New Japan and how did you meet your partner Gosh?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so just podcast in the general, I've always enjoyed broadcasting, so in high school, I was a part of the morning show, TV production, and then in college, I went to a University of Tampa, it was involved with their radio program, their TV program, so I've always kind of had this broadcasting inch, but life kind of took me different ways than doing that professionally.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But I've always kind of wanted to do something with radio, and then I linked up with Rich Latte and James Boy from One Nation Radio.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I started doing social suplex.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It was more it was more like I were in blog at the time and Rich and James were doing their podcast and we're okay.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Let's you know join together and make this bigger and so then want to share it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It was kind of featured on social suplex and we turned into a whole podcast network and started having podcasts on there and I want to do a podcast.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't really want to talk about that to be not really enjoying it right now and then.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There was a peer view.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I forget which one it was, but like we had to watch a WP review and we were just like fed up with it and we're like man this sucks And then we watch a new Japan show in it rocked in me and Josh for each other and like why don't we do a new Japan podcast like there's not ton of them out there Let's do that and cover that we were enjoying watching this so much more and so

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I met Josh, he's a mutual friend of Rich, so I met him through that whole connection and we live together for several years, let's make doing show really easy just going out into our living room.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and we've been friends ever since, like, like, 2014 something like that.

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[SPEAKER_02]: That is a way different story than me at the end, who maybe we got partnered together by our guide Garen, and we didn't really even know each other before the first step, so that we did this.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But fortunately, we had become good friends inside and outside of podcasting, and the thing is labor a lot.

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[SPEAKER_02]: We're not getting paid for it or anything like that.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It just kind of like we go out there and just feel like we could talk 90 minutes about New Japan.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Even if there isn't 90 minutes,

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, the fighting of us is like when we start when we're first angry I do it We were like because we didn't really fully know the form of New Japan how many shows So we'd be to cover we're like you know we might need to cover ring of honor to because there might not be an enough New Japan to cover every week We had that talk to we were just like maybe we should do some no results and talk about all Japan And they're I don't know how we're gonna fill in this time and then now we're just like oh we've got to go We got to keep this moving guys

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[SPEAKER_00]: with every week and hour like turning out like two and a half three hours like how do we do this.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So the road to downtown taco is a fascinating one.

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[SPEAKER_03]: We'll go for three hour.

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[SPEAKER_02]: The social suplex network that you're a part of how long has that been around.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So social books started, so the website started that in 2014 and it was mainly just me writing and then I brought Rachel that on writing and Bryce podcast on and then I was at a network kind of visually launched like 2017 where we started bringing some other shows in at the time we had the rookie and Cliver some show shot to those guys in Scotland and then the SMC podcast and so that was kind of just starting and then keeping a strong style and from there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We added, we dropped, and it's just kind of grown over there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I really enjoy the lineup.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We have right now, with us, one-ish and radio, the Trish and Sarah Wrestling podcast, Tone on Talk, podcast, wrestling art with Chris Lings, MCAW adventure, and all things elite, really all great podcasts.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I think the network's really clicking right now.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I think you guys are doing a lot of really good work, and that article that Trisha Spirits writing about that, I am pretty aware that you were knowledgeable, a lot of that stuff that was going on at the time.

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[SPEAKER_02]: She did an ethical job.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And I don't know her personally, but if you're able to back on her, please do, we just thought she didn't commit to it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I definitely pass it on.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: At some point towards earlier, beginning of this year, yeah, Trish really wanted to do a newsletter.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And also wanted it to be free because there's so many newsletters out there that are pay walled and she wanted to kind of,

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[SPEAKER_00]: break the seal of having information widely available from what she knows.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so she's put together a team of riders and they're covering all kind of stuff on the socialsuit collection newsletter.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And it free comes out by weekly right there on socialsuit flex.com.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so yeah, she's been an excellent job with the whole newsletter.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Any of that Tanahashi Akata Nakamura article was really great.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So the first time we interacted was actually you and Josh actually reached out to me via DM to ask me if we would plug a meet up that you guys were doing in Chicago last year for the Wendy city riot and I was like sure no problem.

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[SPEAKER_02]: That sounds a great deal.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Let's once make this community better and all that stuff and I feel like that kind of

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[SPEAKER_02]: that kind of outward Jeffery made us and us making to you kind of led to, you know, the podcast summit that we're all doing in Japan.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And I was wondering if you could tell the audience more about

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yep, so the day of Wrestle Kingdom January 4th, keeping it strong style, speaking of strong style, super JKAS, and we work stiff will be coming together to do the podcasting summit fan meet-up, so the top New Japan podcast, all.

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[SPEAKER_00]: converging in one place at the hub, it's a pub there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's a few minute walk away from the Tokyo dome.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So we'll meet up there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think we sit around 12 noon.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I know there's a lot of people that want to go to Tokyo, Yoshi Pro, but

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's just not our thing.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So feel free to go that everyone got everyone going to the Tokyo home, you know, the the attended level of the show.

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[SPEAKER_02]: She pro and the attended level of the dome and the attended level of the hub, everything can go.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So if you're not going to talk to you, Joe, she pro and you want to hang off all of us, you know, come get drink and like we've been saying on our show like,

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[SPEAKER_00]: it's not a super formal thing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't walk into the hub like saying I'm here for the official podcast.

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[SPEAKER_02]: They can send it like they're like, one of us on screen, come talk to and that's all you need to do.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so and we'll all be wearing similar shirts and Jeremy finds the right now is wearing the hoodie version of the podcast and some at logo that Josh and we work stiff.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean,

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's going to be a pretty cold there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, it would definitely meet some of them.

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[SPEAKER_02]: What is that thought?

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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm getting a hoodie for Japan.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I've got one with this.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Get up.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So I'll tell my back.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So when I walk around, I'm always going to be out.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm like, that's marketing.

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[SPEAKER_02]: That's marketing.

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[SPEAKER_02]: All right.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So we got to get out of here 90 minutes.

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[SPEAKER_02]: We've done the plug.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Now it's time to get to work guys.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Steven, what do we get started?

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[SPEAKER_03]: All right.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Well, we had one piece of news come up this week, and we're going to talk about first, the Tokyo Sports Awards.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And come out.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And of course, this is one of the many publications that are printed about pro wrestling Japan.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So the thing I think you guys are going to really enjoy seeing pro wrestling on the new stance there in the whole color weekly.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And I don't know when your head back Jeremy, I know Jeremy find some leading on the fifth.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm not sure when you're coming back if you're there a couple of days after rest of Kingdom.

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[SPEAKER_03]: There will be a full color magazine about the size of this here nice and thick of full color coverage and everything that went on recipe weekend within days.

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[SPEAKER_03]: It's pretty impressive how the press handles things in Japan in terms of progressings really covered well there.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And the Tokyo Sports Awards are one of the more prestigious ones.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And history was made this year, guys, in that site, how much time?

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[SPEAKER_03]: The world of starting champion, the top star for them, the headliner of

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[SPEAKER_03]: some record breaking crowds for a startup in a year of a big growth of that company was named Tokyo Sports MVP first email and the heat, but there are a lot of awards we're going to run down here a little bit and it's going to go, we're going to take a look at them, they tend to spread them out among many different companies and there's a there's a diplomacy to this and when one person kind of can sweep all the awards they try not to do that so yeah

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[SPEAKER_03]: We're going to take a look at that in just a moment.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So we had a site account with Tommy and CNVP, and guys to me, this was really the only choice you can make.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, yeah, sia she's been killing it, you know, I've kind of checked in and out a start him.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's falling in a lot more towards like 2019, but kind of fell out, but I've got my eye on things, and sia has been doing some great work at the big heel turn, and it's kind of become this, you know, TV star.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's featured all over the media news there has become a big,

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[SPEAKER_00]: Top champion there the red belt champion right now going to have a big match of Tokyo dome.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, I think that was, you know, weird, you know, year on the pure rental side.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think Sia Comotani was definitely the way to go.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And I understand that I've been having some microphone difficulties, but I think I fixed that.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I think you got it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I think you got it fixed.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Um, I don't know a whole lot about the startup side of David, but all the people that I listened to and I respect have been speaking of guy at Comitani as if she should be the one, but they were just skeptical that they would actually pull the trigger and do that.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm glad to see him 20 25 that's happening.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Uh, I'm all for it.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I'm sorry, go ahead, go ahead.

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[SPEAKER_00]: No, I'll say, yeah, it's great, I think, but it does kind of make you think it's like, man, to catch the one the G1, he's the IWGP champion.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He took up the history of the award and most years, a guy like him probably would have got it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I think I just kind of shows you the state that New Japan is and then just like things on the male side of Japan.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, it's been an overall pretty week year on on that side for new Japan other companies All Japan is kind of moving along at its own pace there that that's that company is Had a hard time getting a foothold really know as had a decent year, but there really isn't a single MVP candidate They've had some people who have been had good years, but I've also had injuries So haven't been there at Compton.

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[SPEAKER_03]: He being there all year and of course all start grand quindum in an April They put 7,500 in that building

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[SPEAKER_03]: for the Oklahoma arena for the the big retirement match with, uh, uh, with, uh, geez.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Uh, yeah.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Come on.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I'll see you again.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Damn the comment.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Damn the comment.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Sorry, everybody.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Uh, damn the comment.

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[SPEAKER_03]: But, uh, comment on healing.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I've got one top start for that.

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[SPEAKER_03]: All right.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Boy.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Sorry, damn boy.

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[SPEAKER_03]: The long time to see.

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[SPEAKER_03]: All right.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Best match went to Noah.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Uh, that's Osawa versus Kato Kia Mia from the New Year 2025.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So the best match of the year took place on the first day of the year, according to Toka Sports.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And I can't really blame it for that.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And again, we're trying to find places, other companies here, rookie of the year, for instance.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I occasionally sketchy of DDT.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So DDT gets an award.

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[SPEAKER_03]: There's plenty of New Japan representation, though, guys, to Kenosuke Takeshita did get an award.

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[SPEAKER_03]: It was outstanding performer of the year.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So while he didn't get MVP, they did say that he was the outstanding performer of 2025 and considering how he did shine in his big matches here in New Japan, we didn't see him enough for our taste, but when we did see him, he was pretty impressive.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And so the outstanding wrestler award goes to Takeshita.

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[SPEAKER_02]: A very polite award, a very polite awarding.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, you know, it's back to that hole.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We got to, you know, give every promotion something.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so they're like, Oh, I guess we'll guess we'll throw a new Japan a bone here.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You have to catch the most outstanding.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But I mean, I do think to catch, you know, he was in the G1.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He won a title.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's had a couple defenses.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The gold or defense at the town of Hong Kong was awesome.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, the sack matches were awesome.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I do think.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like Steve mentioned, in the big matches, to Keshe did shine, it had great performances.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, were there other names you could look that, you know, maybe go toe, maybe Zack Sabre Jr. is Zack's been there all year, made up into the dome, two nights in a row, one a title, and you know what?

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[SPEAKER_00]: retain both nights like that's never been done by a 400 before.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so I think Zach had a I think a very great but almost sneaky year because people would kind of underestimate him.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And if you look at his inner and work all year like Zach could easily have been a most outstanding candidate.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And almost felt like they had to give him all of the award in class here because of the way the state of everything.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And it's like, all right, we don't have to do that.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So maybe we'll just kind of pull some dialed it back and get it back to where we do it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So I guess the Tokyo Sporker done by voting by round and elimination until you get a consensus.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So a lot of these had different candidates up for it and just by the way of voting and the way that, you know,

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[SPEAKER_02]: a surprise container end up winning.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So, some of the youth had a pretty interesting pathway to being decided, but in the end, I'm not particularly surprised by the results.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, and the fighting spirit award went to Suri, who works for just about every grocery promotion under the sun this past year.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And it was a featured player in all of them.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So that makes sense, the best tag team.

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[SPEAKER_03]: That's an interesting one here, just because they gave it to the knockout brothers.

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[SPEAKER_03]: They gave it to Oscar and Udo Ice, which is a bit of a puzzler to me.

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[SPEAKER_03]: There are better teams out there.

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[SPEAKER_03]: is certainly FWC, and I would say Hanan and Sayida, but again, that team of sideline with injuries.

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[SPEAKER_03]: FWC, maybe not featured as much in in Stardom as they had been.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So, and with that, boy, Robbie Eagles and Fujina, again, that's another one that was in and out because of Godo's run, Bishaman wasn't as active as they had been in the past, but you know, I said, Oscar, I thought was an interesting choice to me.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, look side to see knock out brothers get it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And, you know, I'm not super familiar of all the other tag teams outside of New Japan, but when you look at just New Japan in the general, obviously, and won't hang like New Japan is not really a big tag team promotion first of all.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, especially this year was not their best year for tag teams.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You had guys like Cobb leaving night till leaving.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They're doing the whole thing with him in Haromio and, you know, Cal Newman had to forfeit the belt twice.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So like tag team division was all kind of up and flups for the first half of the year.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then knock out for this come in.

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[SPEAKER_00]: She won just steam roll division.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And when Josh and I were talking about, you know, our year and the war's are about to come out.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And we're pretty good at our ballot.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm looking at tag team with the year for New Japan.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm like,

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's got to be knock out brothers, right?

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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, if it's not, if it's not, if it's not, if it's not, if it's not, if it's not, if it's not, if it's not, if it's not, if it's not, if it's not, if it's not, if it's not, if it's not, if it's not, if it's not, if it's not, if it's not, if it's not, if it's not, if it's not, if it's not, if it's not, if it's not, if it's not, if it's not, if it's not, if it's not, if it's not, if it's not, if it's not, if it's not, if it's not, if it's not, if it's not, if it's not, if it's not, if it's not, if it's not, if it's not, if it's not, if it

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[SPEAKER_03]: And in the last one, the last award goes to a new Japan wrestler, the Technique Award.

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[SPEAKER_03]: That went to Hiroshi Tanahashi.

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[SPEAKER_03]: OK. Well, this is last year.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You get to John, what he could hear later, baby.

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[SPEAKER_03]: It's that's that is giving him some flowers.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I suppose that's what that is.

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[SPEAKER_03]: That's them looking around.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So we kind of give him something, right?

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[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, this is last year.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, it gives him what can we give him?

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[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, Technique, OK, well, there you go.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Congratulations, Hiroshi Tanahashi.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's had a lot of matches this year.

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[SPEAKER_00]: More matches.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You can take a night off.

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[SPEAKER_02]: No, I don't know.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It's called a hoxie.

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[SPEAKER_03]: There's one thing you can say about Tony, Tony, how she's here.

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[SPEAKER_03]: There were a lot of matches.

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[SPEAKER_03]: All right.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So that was the Tokyo Sports Award.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And so for this year, should we should, well, look, look, the man is in his 40s with knees in their 80s.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So should we move on?

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[SPEAKER_03]: I guess to the world tagly, right?

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, we have a winner and we have a few news and notes and beyond talking about the two final matches and some of the final, not much to this, but we're going to, we're going to whirlwind through this so we can get to the rest of the kingdom.

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[SPEAKER_03]: All right, so the world tag week final.

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[SPEAKER_03]: This was in the Grand Messay Kumamoto, and according to the newspan websites, which doesn't, which exaggerates, but doesn't exaggerate.

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[SPEAKER_03]: tremendously.

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[SPEAKER_03]: There were 2,686 people, and that's a big crowd for this building.

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[SPEAKER_03]: In fact, road to downtown, it was less than half that, 1200.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And that wasn't a bad crowd for that building.

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[SPEAKER_03]: These grand messa, you hear it all the time, but basically those airplane hangers, they look like just big blocks warehouse, especially where these shows are, their little community centers.

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[SPEAKER_03]: At 2600, though, I mean, like people are showing up to see some of this stuff, especially,

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[SPEAKER_03]: big crowd there, like more than double road to Tantaku for the World Tag League final.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So it opened up with the Fantasma, he defeated Hartley Jackson in an open challenge match.

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[SPEAKER_03]: He's got another one of those coming up at Christmas Coracoan.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And then there were pretty tags and things.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Not a whole lot to mention until Jeremy Jeremy's, I guess I should just make a

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[SPEAKER_03]: So Jeremy's David Finlay and Heroma Takahashi against the United Empire, this Kellum Newman and Great O'Con.

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[SPEAKER_03]: This was more of an angle than a match.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And well, only went 608.

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[SPEAKER_03]: It ended when Newman just kind of went nuts through a chair.

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[SPEAKER_03]: It Finlay busted him open and they

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[SPEAKER_03]: ended up in the challenge where Finlay challenged United Empire to a match at the Tokyo Dome, a 10-man tag, and it is going to be Newman, O'Con, and Hanoi returning after very long absence from his knee injury.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I was very glad to see that against the combination of unafiliated and bullet-clob war dogs, but the most important part about this.

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[SPEAKER_03]: is that there are two exes on the United Empire side and so we'll have to see already rumors coming out that it's a knockout brother's doing a turn.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I've heard people supposing it's going to be nighto and uh bushy coming back in.

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[SPEAKER_03]: What are your thoughts on that?

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't, I really don't, Jerry, do you have any guesses before I go into my, I mean, I've heard rumors of knock out brothers turning because you know, they've been the, the two guys in the war dogs don't seem to be down with the whole unaffiliated, you know, union.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then the other names I threw out this week that I don't want to be, but I could see it being all the good brothers Carl Anderson look gallows, they are going to be in Japan, they have history with bullet club and so you can bring this team into fight the current bullet club, they've had a match and maple leaf pro wrestling already, I don't want to be that, but I mean, those guys find a way to make money somehow, so I would not be surprised if we see good brothers rolling the Tokyo dome.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I tell you what, this is not that not been a good year for X's in New Japan.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Exactly.

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[SPEAKER_03]: All right.

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[SPEAKER_03]: We have gotten ourselves wound up and then it's to Gucci.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And look, I love Coach, but it's not exactly a shock to see reuse cake to Gucci rolled down to a ring to be X.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So yeah, I do worry that it's to be something underwhelming as well.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Well, I kind of ruled out the good brothers because

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[SPEAKER_02]: Honestly, if no one's paying the bills to bring them over there, I don't think anyone else is paying the bills for them at that point.

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[SPEAKER_02]: They're taking the best offer.

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[SPEAKER_02]: They're going to get seeing if they haven't been working anywhere in a while.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So I'm ruling them out, but I will I will be a little sad if it ends up being them.

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[SPEAKER_02]: No, the two guys that, uh, I think it might be, I think one of them is a kira.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I think we're just kind of forgot about him in a risk injury.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Why wouldn't they just announce him?

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[SPEAKER_02]: He's already part of UE because people will pop for him.

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[SPEAKER_02]: He's actually popular and getting it to the prize like return of a kira.

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[SPEAKER_02]: uh... you have a surprise return at rest of kingdom instead of announcing ahead of time you're just getting a pop on a show that you know they've managed to like ruin any idea of a pop before the main but but again if you have a big surprise return make it hynare he's been gone for almost a year out yet now i would have flipped it yet i'm with you but like a hero is the one guy and then the other guy i thought it's jakely

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I've been hearing a lot of Jake Lee rumors, a lot of people in art discord wanted to be Jake Lee as well.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And that's the name, a guy who was part of the war dogs got hurt.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so we've seen a lot of guys like, you know, like, dokey coming back and changing factions.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so yeah, maybe Jake Lee will come and then change and join UE.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, thank you.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Kind of kind of track with him being part of the like a collection of conquerors and stuff like that.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It's not particularly exciting to me, but that just feels like the most realistic thing, guys that are already and so on in some way, shape, or form under contract coming back.

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[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_03]: There was also a never open-weight six man tag team title match on the show, Wato Yano and Yo, defeat of the house of torture, which is the only team that ever challenges for those belts.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So he will render Rita and Sonana, that was brought up, even with Chris Charleston, something like eight of the nine title matches involved a house of torture team, just a just so Chris could highlight the utter lack of creativity from the dude's fan booking office.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Chris just once again passive aggressively calling the action and that was a one note that he made right there is I mean we mentioned it before Jeremy's like in anybody other than house the torture challenge for the title is the answer is yes it'll happen at the Tokyo dome will talk about it in the preview there will be other teams challenging for those titles so highly really

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[SPEAKER_02]: quite the culmination of a code of three-man teams.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I was impressed that they managed to introduce three-man teams all throughout the world tag league in some of these tags, and then it turned out none of them are really going to be in this rainbow at all whatsoever.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So cool.

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[SPEAKER_03]: We're here on 99 as well as Lisa Centauri, I should join MFT.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I don't want to leave it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't want to leave it just just keep it in my year he'll probably will.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah, definitely you.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You walked him to move to the States.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Then it ain't happening.

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[SPEAKER_03]: All right, so that we also had a world tag league final.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Now, the semi-finals have happened, and OE1's ex-saber, face Gabe Kid and Yoda Suzuki who defeated the knockout brothers in the semi-finals, which is puzzling to me after as hot and act as the knockout brothers were for the fall, New Japan books them to go for and for total in block play and the post block play.

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[SPEAKER_03]: They did win their block on a convoluted series of

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[SPEAKER_03]: Man, a hot act, and once again, they need to happen, they just look so ordinary, they have all kinds of charisma, I kind of like, not kind of, I like you to ice is weird promo style, it's different, it's it's fresh, it's interesting, it stands out, it stands out, it stands out, it stands out, it stands out, it stands out, it stands out, it stands out, it stands out, it stands out, it stands out, it stands out, it stands out, it stands out, it stands out, it stands out, it stands out, it stands out, it stands out, it stands out, it stands out, it stands out, it stands out, it stands out, it stands out, it stands out, it stands out, it stands out, it stands out, it stands out, it stands out, it stands out, it stands out, it stands out, it stands out, it stands out, it stands out, it stands out, it stands out, it stands out, it stands

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[SPEAKER_03]: Oscar, I think, has come miles and all this stuff and yet God forbid anybody gets over.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Let's make sure we beat these guys and when they when kid and Suji defeated them in the semi finals, I thought, okay, I can deal with this.

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[SPEAKER_03]: If this is leading to some kind of angle with Suji and kid, I don't necessarily agree with that.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I think knockout brothers can beat them and that could lead to the angle.

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[SPEAKER_03]: But if they're going to do an angle in the finals, I'm kind of down with it.

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[SPEAKER_03]: There was no angle in the finance.

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[SPEAKER_03]: It was a really good match.

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[SPEAKER_03]: By the way, World Tag League final match, Zach and I we were against Suji and kid.

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[SPEAKER_03]: That was terrific match.

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[SPEAKER_03]: That was good action.

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[SPEAKER_03]: But it did not result in an angle.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And it certainly did nothing to get the tag team champs over.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And then what it did was it put us in a very weird spot.

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[SPEAKER_03]: We're going to talk about in the second when it comes to New Year's Dash.

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[SPEAKER_03]: But good match, again, just puzzling booking at the end of this

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it was a little confusing how they handled knock out brother's tournament, you know, they were losing at first.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And the first couple losses, okay, you know what?

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's a round Robin tournament.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They have to eat some losses.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You can build some challengers for them after this thing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And still have them look strong.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And the classical gate of booking, you know, you lose three, you come back and you win your last set of matches.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But that's not quite what they did here.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And they did do the whole, yeah, they kind of

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[SPEAKER_00]: into some of my finals and then end up losing to this, you know, super team of Gabe and Suji.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm more in fan of a, if a long term, a great tag team, basis a two super guys, I'm more in favor of the tag team.

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[SPEAKER_00]: beating the two singles guys and establishing them like, hey, the tag team realm is their realm, but in singles, if we saw you tell it loose like you, uh, in the singles realm, but these guys could lose because they're more focused on tag team.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I do think it would did kind of hurt them a little bit and especially now they're they're not getting a match at the Tokyo dome and they ate so many losses.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's like, all right, where are we going with them and like,

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[SPEAKER_00]: They kind of drilled on concrete like, yeah, these guys were undefeated, yeah, going into the tournament and now they have a bunch of losses and we don't even know if they're going to get their wins back on some of these guys.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, the one that occurred to me was just the, it made sense a little bit was the archer and the same thing just because they do have new beginning in the United States coming up.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And that would be a spot where they could get that match back.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Hey, we beat you in the tournament.

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[SPEAKER_03]: We want to tag team title match do it there in the States.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Archer and Zane are already over there by then by the end of January.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So that didn't bother me too much, but just a series of losses in the block.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I just don't get why you would try to cool them off now.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And you know, the rest of Kingdom card is the whole other beast that we're about to get to, but yeah, I was strange.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So Zach and I we were then did the obvious thing guys, they sat there and said, no, we don't want to be on the biggest sold out show of the year.

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[SPEAKER_03]: No, thank you.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I, I main of ended it last year.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Why would I ever want to be a part of the, the,

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[SPEAKER_03]: the ass-in-ine mental gymnastics these guys try to make these people do to say oh I don't want to be part of the biggest show new Japan has done in how ever long no thanks.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't want real hey all you have to be a moment to be in the big stadium that you've ever been in maybe a lot of the bigger moment after it but I want to die him this now

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[SPEAKER_03]: I certainly don't want to do it on national Japanese television when I could just be doing it on NJPW world and the 10,000 or whatever people that subscribe to that.

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[SPEAKER_03]: That's where I'd rather do it.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And I'd rather be in a cold gym with no confession stance.

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[SPEAKER_03]: But seriously, seriously, Jeremy, when you go to New Year's Dash, eat before you get there.

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[SPEAKER_03]: There's just many machines.

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[SPEAKER_03]: It's a nice family.

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[SPEAKER_03]: But you'll see it.

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[SPEAKER_03]: It's where the very first New Japan show

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[SPEAKER_03]: And that's believable.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So it's an old basketball gym.

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[SPEAKER_03]: It's what that is.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And you're going to be sitting on metal bleachers unless you get one of the little metal seats he is sitting on.

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[SPEAKER_03]: It ain't comfortable.

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[SPEAKER_03]: But yet, no, this is ridiculous, isn't it?

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[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, why in the world wouldn't you try to challenge for this thing?

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[SPEAKER_03]: But that's the way it's booked.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So we've got to make people say ridiculous things to try to pass this off.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Here's what I would say to this before we move on to the next thing, is that I'd be finding a lot more palatable if the knockout brother can come five and three, where they lost their two and then went on a run in one, five straight.

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[SPEAKER_02]: When they lost out one right before the end, it was more for a dramatic tension.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And I was like, no, you didn't need to do that.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You just needed them to reset and then have a, and then if they had won five straight and then they'd lost to Gabe kidding, Yota Suji, I would've been a little bit more fine with it, but everything about them was booked as being ordinary.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And now that you booked it with apparently the intention in mind that you've never wanted to back in OEWA and them to face until this match that they should be having a restful kingdom.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But they're having it near your dash.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Everything about it makes them ordinary.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And they're not an ordinary team.

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[SPEAKER_02]: They're extraordinary.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And they should be building around them.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And you can celebrate Tonahashi.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And you can do other things that they show.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But they don't think they can do that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and I feel like this wrestling kingdom car and all we're going to get to it, the big opportunity here is going to be, you know, 50,000 people is going to be a national TV, I feel like you should be putting your best foot forward and taking advantage of all the eyeballs to elevate the younger stars.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And look in this car, it's like, all right, where's Umino, where's Ulimora?

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[SPEAKER_00]: And now, they had a perfect opportunity to have a young star in Oywa, be on the card with Zach Saber Jr. Again, two other young up and coming stars in Utoe Ice and Oscar.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And they said, no, we're not going to do that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And yeah, it makes

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[SPEAKER_00]: uh... oil and sack like geeks for pushing to have this match at new year's dash when they're for going being a sold out took your home having all these eyeballs on them and then it's such an easy layup you have oil will get the win boom there you go this new hot baby faces made fifty thousand people are seeing him cheering him and he gets this big win is a big moment on this big show the year and they decided no we're gonna go with a fraction of that audience to have them get the big

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[SPEAKER_00]: even even if he does, even if he wins or not.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I was gonna say, I'm not convinced he's gonna win that.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm not convinced TMDK's gonna win that thing.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And because knockout brothers I still think is probably going to be the team at new beginning in the USA, going to that thing.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And I think, well, we'll get to that when we get to it.

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[SPEAKER_03]: But there are some developments in Mexico, actually, that will affect that show.

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[SPEAKER_03]: But that's for another podcast.

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[SPEAKER_03]: We've got a few weeks before we get to all that.

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[SPEAKER_02]: All right, so we got a couple of matches.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Before Tone Offsuit's last match, right?

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, well, the week ahead, there are three matches that the road Tokyo Dom is a short one this year.

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[SPEAKER_03]: They're not doing a large tour.

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[SPEAKER_03]: They are going to Gunma to another Grand Messay, so a big airplane hanger there tomorrow.

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[SPEAKER_03]: That's a 19th.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And I thought this was interesting here, guys.

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[SPEAKER_03]: He's facing a series of three top junior heavy weights.

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[SPEAKER_03]: on the road to the Tokyo dome, and the order in which it's happening, I think, is interesting.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So tomorrow, Grand Racing Gunma is Tana Hashie versus Haruma, everything else is preview tags, pretty much the combinations you would expect.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So on Friday the 19th, Grand Racing Gunma, it's going to be on the NJPW world in Japanese, with, I guess, English later.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Tana Hashie Haruma was Sunday the 21st, and so Chi in the White Cube, that'll be Tana Hashie in El Desperado.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And then Monday, 22nd is the Christmas Coracle.

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[SPEAKER_03]: We'll have an Elfantasmal Open Challenge on that one.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And we will also get Tanahashi versus Kose Fujida.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So Fujida gets his second-to-last match and Tanahashi's final match in cortico and hall.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Kose Fujida, the selection, which I thought was very interesting, consider the other two guys have been the flag bearers for the Junior Heavyweight Division over the past.

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[SPEAKER_03]: seven or eight year well however since her own will came back from excursion he's either been the guy or desperate out of his been the guy in that division co-safoetida the choice for his last court

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I think a lot of interesting choices here going with, you know, three the top junior stars and a good way I guess we're talking about actually to put them over that whole division over and probably a good way for him to get some wins and going into the Tokyo dome as well, but they should all be some very interesting matchups a lot of first time matchups here kind of.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Finally, I think it's, you know, taught a lot to you on Romans first time with them being in there so long and her own we're doing a lot of open-weight stuff, especially since the pandemic, so that should be a very interesting match and so yeah, I'm excited to see the outcome of all these.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, and they're all going to be very different, too.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, Haromu and Desperado have different styles and things and how they would work with somebody like Tanahashi.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I think they're going to be three pretty interesting matches to watch, as well.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I think there'll be some good action there.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Haromu can be a

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[SPEAKER_03]: opponent dependent sometimes less than he used to be were used to just carry guys to greatness and there's less of that now and so that one might be a bit of a challenge if Tana Hashie doesn't have as good knees that day but but I think Fujido can be the kind of guy that just kind of leaves Tana Hashie in the middle of the ring and bounces off of him a lot and that could really work.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So I look at the end I remember at the beginning of the year that Tana Hashie said that

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[SPEAKER_02]: Did he pull that off?

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[SPEAKER_02]: No, he did not.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Rennerita did not get a match among him.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I don't have to say, don't lie, I'm good on that one.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Well, I'm so happy you knew that.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I have been critical, it's not the only one.

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[SPEAKER_03]: He's not the only one, but I've been very critical of Narita, because I know that there's not much left of Sonata anymore, but my frustration with Narita is he,

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[SPEAKER_03]: matches the energy of those around him.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And when you have Sonata energy, he just doesn't do anything.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And that their matches were real.

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[SPEAKER_03]: That was like running through wet sand, watching those matches.

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[SPEAKER_03]: That was tough.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And so no, Narita was one of the more prominent guys I would say that did not get a match of Sonata.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Actually this year.

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[SPEAKER_02]: He counting, just think of Patrick or just getting in the ring with people throughout the year.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Well, you know, that's a fair question, but he didn't even know that that's a pretty bigger big-ish name guy did not get a singles match over the last couple years.

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[SPEAKER_02]: All right.

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[SPEAKER_02]: We got German.

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[SPEAKER_02]: We got your partner Josh in the waiting room.

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[SPEAKER_02]: We're going to bring him on now.

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[SPEAKER_02]: All right.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So Josh, welcome to the show.

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[SPEAKER_02]: We know you're on a little bit of a time limit, but first off I just wanted to say thank you so much for making time for us during the holidays.

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[SPEAKER_02]: No, it could crazy time a year and everything like that.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And I'm really glad to have you on the show.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And we're ready to move on and talk about the Wrestle Kingdom main event.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And we'll keep you on as long as you can stay and as long as you want to chat.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I appreciate it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I like you mentioned it as the holiday season.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I have a work project.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Let's be going on.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I work from home.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm a financial advisor.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I literally just jumped off of a call somebody and then I was like, let me dial in so I can talk about something odd to you.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, I'm glad to be here with you guys, Stephen and Jeremy, and thank you for having me on.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I've actually been listening a little bit to your guys' conversation between calls just now, so I'm a little caught up with where everybody is right now.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Well, fantastic.

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[SPEAKER_02]: We'll just try and knock out this roundtable conversation at the stars of a line for speaking of keeping at strong style and we're gonna enjoy this for as long as it lasts.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So Steven, are you ready to get to the rest of Kingdom Conversation?

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[SPEAKER_03]: All right.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Let's do it.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So Russell came and sold out crowd.

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[SPEAKER_03]: It's going to be packed and it's going to end with what will be the emotional apex of New Japan's year without question.

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[SPEAKER_03]: It is the retirement match of Hiroshi Tanahashi is final opponent.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Kazuchka Okada, one of his greatest rivals.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I was fortunate enough to see that match in 2019 at the G1 and Dallas.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Here it is, one final time, Tanahashi vs Okada.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I feel like this one is going to go as far as Tanahashi's knees can carry it.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And but he will need his timing and his brains and he has both of those to work this match.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I think these two are capable of putting something together.

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[SPEAKER_03]: It will not be their past classics.

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[SPEAKER_03]: They just, uh, Tana Hashie particularly capable of that.

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[SPEAKER_03]: But he's a, he's a smart worker.

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[SPEAKER_03]: He still has that that timing.

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[SPEAKER_03]: He knows exactly when to do things.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And my goodness.

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[SPEAKER_03]: The post match ceremony when whatever finish happens and it's all over.

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[SPEAKER_03]: There will be few dry eyes in the house, so Jeremy's and Josh, this is going to be a real tear jerk or thing here.

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[SPEAKER_03]: The only question is what kind of dramatic ending will they come up with for the final moments of Tana Hashie's in-ring career?

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[SPEAKER_03]: Go for it, guys.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Josh, I've been on for a while, you can jump in.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's how I know it's just trying to

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, I mean, I do agree that there are going to be limitations on what the match can be due to ton of how she's age mobility.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But with that being said, we were in attendance for that 2019 G1 match as well.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And ever since then, they've been just doing a, let's play the hits sort of match for the past or iterations.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And enough time has passed to where these guys are smart enough, they've held back on doing the large dramatic draw now finish.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And they're so familiar with one another, that they're going to find a smart way, similar I believe, to how to cash done Tonahashi were able to find a way to work that match in a very emotional way.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Tonahashi, you know, kind of so many big callbacks that they never really touched against since about 2018.

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[SPEAKER_01]: they're going to be able to go balls to the wall and do something big, especially with how emotional and invested that audience is going to be.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I think it's going to be something special.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I've heard a lot of people being like, you know, O'Connor is probably going to be able to give it the best match that he could possibly have, but it's not going to be a great match.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm I just really walk back at that because I can't imagine these two guys.

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[SPEAKER_01]: knowing their history, knowing their skill level, and how intelligent Tom Ashe is.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They're going to inject his knees with all sorts of cortisol, and also it's a shit.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And so we have to go out there and he's going to be fine.

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[SPEAKER_01]: As far as who wins, I'm so torn on it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not ready to make a definitive prediction.

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[SPEAKER_01]: There's a, you know, my, my, um,

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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, it looks like my audio might not be where it needs to be.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Change for you guys.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I should send a little bit there.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I have the same thing earlier.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I struggle with my audio.

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[SPEAKER_03]: It's the second day.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Don't worry about it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Do you pull it to anything?

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[SPEAKER_02]: I figure you guys will figure it out.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I know you did it for a while.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'll kick it over to you guys, but what I was just going to say is that I'm a little bit torn on where I think the semi-main goes and I think that some of how the main of it is booked is going to be predicated on what they do with sugi and tachasta.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm keeping my eyes on that C2 final coming up on the 27th because I feel like it might be okay to tachasta and I just 100% it could be okay.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And with all the politics involved, I can't imagine how that wouldn't somehow affect what might happen between these two matches.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then finally, I'm, my head says Ocada, but my heart and gut tell me, what if Tanaashi went out on top?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, if you're trying to book the big moments that there's not a bigger moment you could go with.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So that's kind of where I'm at.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I think that could be an interesting way to go, especially because, you know, Okada has kind of owned Tanahashi in the latter end of their robbery.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, Tanahashi or Okada has so many more wins over Tanahashi.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I think, yeah, it's the expected thing for Okada to win.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I do think they have the opportunity to kind of give that feel good ending and have Tanahashi get the win, especially

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[SPEAKER_00]: based on Ocadas comments of saying, you know, he's not going to be traditional rainmaker.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's going to be a W. He'll don't have a family Ocada.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So if he's going to be, you know, cheating more low-blow middle finger, the crowd's really going to want to see Tanya Hashi get the win.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I think it'll be a little deflating if this guy's

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[SPEAKER_00]: cheating, footing us off and then ends up, you know, beating kind of hostage, leaving him there laying.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think it could be a good field good moment to have him overcome his greatest rival one last time and kind of, you know, out and new for all his new tactics.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Plus he's not going to, if he does when he's not going to come back and job anybody.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And just for the idea of something we hear over and over nowadays, it's exhausting.

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[SPEAKER_03]: The go out on your

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[SPEAKER_03]: One of the things that we do here is we look at New Japan and all of wrestling really from historical perspective.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I have a ring side replay.

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[SPEAKER_03]: That's my history, my wrestling history website.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And the idea of you have to go out on your back is a lot more.

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[SPEAKER_03]: up a promoter thing that they tell the talent to get the guy to do what they want them to do, then an actual thing that's happened in pro wrestling history now.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Now that we have a company that has all the power in the universe, you're starting to see that a lot more.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So we saw it with Sina, who's probably been too unselfish for his own good during this last run.

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[SPEAKER_03]: We've seen it with a couple other guys.

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[SPEAKER_03]: There is a long list of legendary stars in pro wrestling who won their retirement matches.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So the idea that this would be some bizarre thing, bucking wrestling tradition.

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[SPEAKER_03]: It's not true folks.

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[SPEAKER_03]: If time to how she comes back and wins and goes out with, up on everybody's shoulders, you know, the confetti cannons coming down and his music playing on brand, on brand for both professional wrestling and the Japanese pro wrestling, the history of it, it's happened many, many times before where legends go out on top.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So it absolutely could do exactly what you guys were talking about.

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[SPEAKER_03]: AEW heel O'Cotta, the jerk, and Tana Hashie overcoming that for the last moment, absolutely a possibility.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Our friends over at Tana'll talk like to say go out on your front.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Especially once it had power in this guy's president of the damn company, you can do it if you want to.

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[SPEAKER_02]: There's a thing that I've been going back and forth on.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And yeah, I'm going to bring in the name that everyone doesn't really want to bring up, but we got to it was Tony Conne.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And Tony Conne has his partnership with AEW and each band program.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And for a very long time now, I felt that he laid out this plan that he was going to have to catch it at the O-Cott.

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[SPEAKER_02]: world-guent.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And O'Kana was going to get his political heat back by then being in the main event in the Tokyo Dome over Tonahashi and getting that wind back.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So go most irrelevant if the Keshe of Winger loses on the semi-main because O'Kana can lose in the states but still win in the main

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[SPEAKER_02]: And Tony gone could move forward with, uh, you know, to catch you to getting a pen over Ocata in in in in AEW.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And so when that looked like it might not be happening.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And Ocata may not have been the guy to retire Tana Hashie.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I felt like that explained why he was a little bit perturbed as his plan.

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[SPEAKER_02]: We're not going to come together the way that he saw them.

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[SPEAKER_02]: and cooperation among the promotion is one thing but making your plan is more important than another promotion plan in one of their biggest shows does it exactly fit right with me?

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[SPEAKER_02]: But, Paul Titt for Paul Titt, he is the big dog of the yard when it comes to all of these promotions and you got to make people happy.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And regardless of whether he wins or loses, the main event of this show is the ceremony afterwards.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, I don't know.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to push back on that just a little bit.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I see a reasoning a look definitely.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But I also feel and this is my thinking if Ocata loses in the C2, I don't know how they're going to deal with the

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[SPEAKER_01]: with the whole entire like unified title situation.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's kind of perplexed, and I don't really follow A, W, but if he loses a title, I feel like that opens him up to be more beatable in the Tokyo Dome.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I feel like he can, I think he can take the loss to Takeshda and turn around and take the loss to Tanahashi.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's Kazushko-Katez, Teflon, he'll be fine and they can turn that into whatever story.

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[SPEAKER_01]: There's clearly gonna be some story of him losing the title and then having to downside and rebuild over there anyways.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I think if he did lose to Tanahashi, and I still think that that is a, it's pipe dream.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, there's a good chance he's still gonna win, but I think if he loses in the C2,

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[SPEAKER_01]: the chances of Tomahashi wouldn't go way up.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm also nervous about that because if to catch the wins in the C2, he might be beating Suji.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Well, yeah, so I'm with you on all of that.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And I want to make sure that I make that clear, that all of that is incredibly viable.

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[SPEAKER_02]: This all just goes back to me thinking that Tony Khan walked to politically keep his rocks are strong, once Russell kingdom is over, and then they're on their own, which is kind of a concerning thought for me.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But I would, I got no issue with who went to that match or as you talk to Hoshiro caught him.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It made no difference to me.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I think they're going to have a great match.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And I think that retirement is going to blow my mind.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and I think you can tell an interesting story with both Ohkata and Takeshita losing, because right now, that kind of have to say, you know, who's better competition in the Don Calls family, and so you have both guys on the Tokyo Dome, and they're going to try and one up each other, and they're going to want to have that win, but then I think that kind of adds to the fire if they both lose, and it's like, oh, you lost.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, you lost, and then they're kind of that creates more heat for them to argue, and until they kind of kind of have that big final blow off match in the WWE.

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[SPEAKER_03]: that would be a twist on pro wrestling history in one way is that that would be the first time people had an unsuccessful trip to the Orient.

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[SPEAKER_03]: In the history of a pro wrestling, every announcer has always said he's back after a successful tour of the Orient.

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[SPEAKER_03]: the story forever.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I would love it if they came back because after spectacularly unsuccessful tour of the Orion aren't you going to be back over here?

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yes, I am.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Good.

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[SPEAKER_02]: God.

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[SPEAKER_02]: God.

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[SPEAKER_02]: God.

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[SPEAKER_02]: God.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You have the thing I'll add is with the AEW tournament that you are not watching.

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[SPEAKER_02]: There are things about that tournament that if I explained them to you right now, you would feel very validated in your decision to just kind of bow out for this.

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[SPEAKER_03]: All right.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Well, that's got a couple of quick comments over here.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, go ahead.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Please.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Well, the people say sell it, but the belt or what they're doing, they are not for both belts and to unify title, but only one of the continental belts is on it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So regardless of the focata, winter loses this thing.

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[SPEAKER_02]: He's not losing all of his belt.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He will be keeping one regardless, which is yeah, that's dumb strange, but

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm still seeing a lot of stars being given to, uh, given to that tournament.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So, uh, oh, no, I'm probably missing a lot of good wrestling.

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[SPEAKER_02]: The tournament itself is fantastic.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Uh, they're having a better match this missed.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And some are better than others, every wrestler on their doing a fantastic job.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But they're making the rule to this a little bit more complicated than I need to be.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and they had a downtown coming out there a couple of weeks ago trying to like explain the whole thing and just made it even a more confusing.

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[SPEAKER_02]: you're going to have a tournament and the winner gets the belt.

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[SPEAKER_02]: This is all you have to do guys.

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[SPEAKER_03]: The star factory is also working 24 hours a day, seven days a week printing out stars for these guys.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So that's another thing to do.

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[SPEAKER_03]: whether they need them or not, the stars are there.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And Brad mentions, this match is going to be a four star match with eight stars of aura and emotion.

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[SPEAKER_03]: War hero says, hopefully it's nothing like going through Versusina.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I don't think we have to worry about that.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I don't think anyone's going to be smiling while they tap out.

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[SPEAKER_03]: He's also asking, will it done be there?

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[SPEAKER_03]: I guess what's the consensus on that?

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[SPEAKER_03]: Will we have Don Callos in this corner?

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[SPEAKER_02]: I would expect it.

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[SPEAKER_03]: That's not it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's been a wildest dawned bin in Japan,

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, does he sit down with Walker and can call the match?

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I would love that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think Don is great on commentary.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's been great on a W when he's had a few commentary spots.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And, you know, previously when he was a New Japan, like he was him and Charlton were excellent teams.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So if he comes to commentary, I'd be down for that.

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[SPEAKER_02]: He's got two of his top money guy for the top two matches of the show.

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[SPEAKER_02]: He's gonna be there.

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[SPEAKER_03]: you would think.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And then Brad also mentions O'Cotta wasn't putting over the young talent when he left, while they weren't booking him to either.

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[SPEAKER_03]: But I think he has no problem losing here in Tonatex and he'll put the international title on the line, Efton and went and vacated.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, I somewhere down somewhere down here, I have an AEW belt that I won right where I went and went to the grocery store.

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[SPEAKER_03]: There's 50 of them laying around.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So what's the

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[SPEAKER_01]: I can say this.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The reason they weren't booking him to beat those young talents is because he refused to be booked with those young talents.

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[SPEAKER_03]: We're here with us.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Claudio is winning by the way.

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[UNKNOWN]: Definitely.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Uh, that, all right.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So that's, that's some real comments about that.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So as we go on, so that's, that's our, that's our big emotional climax of the show.

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[SPEAKER_03]: The one that matters more for the future of New Japan is the semi-main.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And that is going to be the title for title match, the both titles on the line here, the global champion, theota-sifci, facing the IWGP world, the heavyweight champion, Kano-Skeek, to Keshta.

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[SPEAKER_03]: There's very little doubt in my mind, guys, this match is going to be great.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Now, I think as soon as he's a very capable performer to Kesha has been wonderful and a new Japan ring, he will.

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[SPEAKER_03]: There's never a point where to Kesha has been more motivated to have a good match than this one.

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[SPEAKER_03]: This is a big, big moment for him.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I've always thought that his.

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[SPEAKER_03]: just just with what he said in past interviews and things that his ultimate goal is to be the top star in New Japan.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Like this is what he grew up wanting to be.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And here he is in the Tokyo Domain event.

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[SPEAKER_03]: They're going to pull out all the stops.

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[SPEAKER_03]: The only question is which way do they go on this?

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[SPEAKER_03]: To question and Suji, this is another one where I feel strongly that the correct decision would be Yoda Suji.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I can't have 100% confidence the New Japan is going to make the correct decision

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's kind of like what we're saying earlier, like this is the night where New Japan has to elevate younger guys and capture these eyeballs are going to show and we talked about, you know, there's not a lot of the other younger guys featured.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So all the weight kind of falls on Yota Suji shoulders.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And yeah, I agree with you that the right thing to do is to have Suji win.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He beats the outsider, he gets both titles, he creates a big monumental moment for this guy, and you continue to strap the rocket to him and elevate him as your top stars, your current ace of the promotion.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think for to cash to it's certainly the most important match for him because this man got no votes for MVP in the Tokyo sports awards, which give up the, uh, they get passive and went way too aggressive about that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: that can't inspire a lot of confidence going into a Tokyo dome like this, but um, yeah, I agree.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I think that there, I still have the speculation that like will this be to Kesha's last match with New Japan?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Because my understanding is that his deal was for one year.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We're coming up to contract season.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Will he even be re-signing?

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I know he loves working in Japan, but it hasn't been the most, um,

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[SPEAKER_01]: successful endeavor and trying to split time between these three different companies has had has yielded mixed results.

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[SPEAKER_01]: At the same time, I agree with you guys.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think Yota Suji needs to win, but it's 2026, New Japan who the fuck knows what they're going to book and what they're going to do.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then even with all of that being said,

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[SPEAKER_01]: One sugy does win.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We still have to worry about the fallout of how do you handle a guy with these two belts because it didn't work out so well the first time they tried this.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So how are they going to get around that conundrum?

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[SPEAKER_01]: And it's never really a great thing to do in the first place.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But I'm hoping

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I guess Suji foreshadow a little bit in that sense, but we don't, we don't know the company has made no announcements on this, but he said he wanted to go back to the old IWGP heavyweight title, drop the world heavyweight title and things and go back to the one Ocada defended a dozen times that that version of the belt before they merged it with the Intercontinental title, which was

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[SPEAKER_03]: poor decision they haven't really recovered from since, in terms of making, they had two belts that meant a ton and then they botched it all and they've been struggling to make titles mean anything other than the world heavyweight title since.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So yeah, well what's going to become of the global title with that?

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[SPEAKER_03]: They've kind of said again that it's not going to be a combined championship.

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[SPEAKER_03]: He would have two different belts to the fan, but who knows how that would would all work.

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[SPEAKER_03]: That's been very, very vague.

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[SPEAKER_03]: They really haven't gone into the ifs,

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[SPEAKER_03]: of it all.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So that's that's curious too.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I guess that's just a they will announce later when they get to it.

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[SPEAKER_03]: But it does seem like a pretty glaring and important part of this that they just haven't told us.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They never makes logical sense when you think about it because it's like if you defend the second belt, but you're the world champ, who wants to challenge for the second belt?

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[SPEAKER_01]: And are you going to drop that and not be, you know what I mean?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like it just never makes sense.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, because it's not like a boxing thing where you're the IBF champion, the WBA champion, the WBC champion, which all seen as kind of equal, and sometimes a governing body, ill, sanctioned one or not.

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[SPEAKER_03]: We've seen the mess that happens in boxing, but with these titles, yeah, you're right.

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[SPEAKER_03]: What they don't do is they don't keep the, and there are regional titles in boxing.

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[SPEAKER_03]: There's the Asian champion in the North American champion.

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[SPEAKER_03]: There are some of those, and you drop that when you win the world title.

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[SPEAKER_03]: That's fake.

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[SPEAKER_03]: That's automatic.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And, but in pro wrestling, you know, we have our, we just kind of make up the rules and we go along sometimes.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So, I've been going back and forth in my head about the match a lot.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And for both types, that's correct, like, yes.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah, we're going to just walk it away with them.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's all.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm having a lot.

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[SPEAKER_01]: If someone wins.

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[SPEAKER_03]: All right, I was made a lot about that they are not, they are not going to do a one hour draw on national TV.

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[SPEAKER_03]: There's a lot of ways to get around five minutes out out.

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[SPEAKER_01]: My big fan of 80s wrestling, you could go no.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, the double count out, double count out, double DQ, no, the high notes, double count out, the dreaded lot of ways.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Um, wow, you've just introduced a whole new, what's the kind of possibility here?

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[SPEAKER_03]: First of chaos, Goblin coming in here to tell you what.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I love it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Um, double chaos.

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[SPEAKER_02]: There are really behind to catch that TV authority and in other movies.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Like they, they just think this guy is like the second coming of a nokey.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And that gives me a lot of pause because those are influential people when it comes to, you know,

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[SPEAKER_02]: It is absolutely not the right idea, particularly when this match.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And they need to have a guy, front center, in New Japan being the guy that they're all the time, because the local touring is what drives everything.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm not 100% convinced that Yoda Suji is the guy.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I think that there are a couple others that I think are the ones to take the helm.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But what I'm wondering is that this is gonna be the last night of Hiroshi Tanahashi in New Japan.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So tomorrow, the next day is going to be a brand new landscape with a whole lot of people wanting to stake their claim of being the top dog.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And it may end up being a whole lot more interesting.

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[SPEAKER_02]: If Yoda Fuji has no other claim to stake other than he lost a restful kingdom and he is on a level playing field with everyone else.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And that other establishing New Japan going into 2026.

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[SPEAKER_02]: that is an incredibly risky approach and I'm not sure it's a great idea.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And the other thing that I think about is that Yota Suji has only won the global title, but the visual of him suddenly holding both titles in the air, feels like it was backwards.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But you win that IWGP title and that is like the singular goal.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Like you go after it, there's no other belt in the story.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It is you go after that belt and you

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[SPEAKER_02]: That doesn't feel like the story that they're telling and it doesn't feel like a quest for the title, it feels like a quest to stop to cash it up.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And those are two completely different things.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And there are things that you're doing, like going out on media and talking about bringing back the version four of the IWGP title, that's just like, oh god, you're doomed.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Please don't, please don't invoke things that aren't going to happen if you win, because that's just telling us that you might not win.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So I'm with you guys on all of this, but there are reasons out there that make me think that the plan is not for you, the surgery to win and it's concerning to me.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I really hope that's not the way they go.

01:00:16.299 --> 01:00:22.794
[SPEAKER_00]: I guess we've seen to catch that champion now, since October, I don't think it's no done great for business.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And he's had great matches.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And you know, when we go, we have one titled if that's right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, yeah, because you wanted an October, a king up for us on the air, he defended the homecoming show.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so I mean, it's been like a hit or miss run for him, and also we saw the whole MVP thing that we talked about with him, not even getting one vote after winning G1 and being the champion.

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[SPEAKER_00]: like he's a great wrestler.

01:00:46.916 --> 01:00:49.840
[SPEAKER_00]: I think he's a guy that you bring in for big shows.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know if you keep the belt on him going in the next year.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think it really has to be Suji and you know in that interview, I think Suji kind of really landed more on like trying to bring back the lineage.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's it more than just to be for.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So he was talking about if he wins he's going to combine the world title and global title lineage back

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[SPEAKER_00]: back into the B4 lineage, not sure if he's actually going to bring back B4, or if there's going to be a new belt, this is the world title's cursed, because of what that lineage back.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, any talk of the lineage or B4 usually isn't a good sign, but I mean, I think that

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[SPEAKER_00]: If New Japan was wise, which hasn't been a lot lately, that Yoda Suji is, and some people if you're saying to you, maybe he's not the guy to all people, but I think out of all the young guys that have right now, I think he's the most ready as far as charisma, promo, connections to the crowd in ring.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think he's the guy that you got to go with right now.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, and what we we're seeing here to just going forward can us get to catch a fantastic talent.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And I think he's a guy that New Japan could absolutely go all in on if I'm New Japan again, we they've been making mistakes.

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[SPEAKER_03]: If but.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I wouldn't go with the Keshta until he was my guy until none of this, you know, the three contracts is like, when I can have him and I can build around him, go ahead and do it.

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[SPEAKER_03]: This guy can carry it.

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[SPEAKER_03]: He's talented enough.

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[SPEAKER_03]: He's good enough.

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[SPEAKER_03]: He's correct.

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[SPEAKER_03]: He's mad at enough.

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[SPEAKER_03]: But

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[SPEAKER_03]: the message just shouldn't be that our world heavyweight champion would rather be in a six man on dynamite than be over here touring with our guys.

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[SPEAKER_03]: That's not the message to send to your crowd when you're asking them to pay for a ticket.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But can he call us this Volcala?

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's a very important question.

01:02:38.903 --> 01:02:43.333
[SPEAKER_01]: They're definitely not going to bring back the V4 and it's simply for these reasons.

01:02:43.373 --> 01:02:47.401
[SPEAKER_01]: They don't have the licensing to use the V4 any longer.

01:02:47.742 --> 01:02:58.465
[SPEAKER_01]: So if he's not saying he's going to bring back that title, he did say that he wants to basically retroactively

01:02:58.445 --> 01:03:04.471
[SPEAKER_01]: put the IWGP world heavyweight lineage back into the and then rename it the IWGP heavyweight title.

01:03:05.292 --> 01:03:05.392
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

01:03:05.412 --> 01:03:07.113
[SPEAKER_01]: They would probably bring out a new bell.

01:03:07.173 --> 01:03:09.175
[SPEAKER_01]: I would assume with that being said though.

01:03:09.836 --> 01:03:14.300
[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm going to speak a little bit out of air or ignorance here because I don't you know, I'm not Japanese.

01:03:14.360 --> 01:03:17.363
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not privy to all the business metrics over there.

01:03:17.423 --> 01:03:22.168
[SPEAKER_01]: But you know, like you guys have said, this is a live touring company that's their bread and butter.

01:03:22.648 --> 01:03:26.832
[SPEAKER_01]: If that's the case,

01:03:26.812 --> 01:03:31.202
[SPEAKER_01]: I do have to wonder though if TBSI is so high on Takeshta, right?

01:03:31.542 --> 01:03:32.705
[SPEAKER_01]: And you threw that out there, Jeremy.

01:03:33.647 --> 01:03:39.299
[SPEAKER_01]: And this is the first time they've been live on national cable in like 20 something years.

01:03:39.720 --> 01:03:39.961
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.

01:03:39.981 --> 01:03:41.264
[SPEAKER_01]: First time in the rest of Kingdom era.

01:03:42.045 --> 01:03:43.268
[SPEAKER_01]: What if?

01:03:43.349 --> 01:03:55.068
[SPEAKER_01]: this what if keeping him as the figurehead could translate to some sort of, you know, TV rights deal that would be extremely lucrative for a new Japan in that country.

01:03:55.389 --> 01:03:58.293
[SPEAKER_01]: Now, I don't know if that is even a possibility.

01:03:58.313 --> 01:04:00.016
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know how the business works over there.

01:04:00.697 --> 01:04:10.453
[SPEAKER_01]: But I do wonder if the potential benefits of that would outweigh the negatives of keeping the belt on Takeshita at that point in time.

01:04:10.535 --> 01:04:15.921
[SPEAKER_02]: I think those considerations have been made up to this point and I think those considerations will continue to be did.

01:04:16.070 --> 01:04:18.072
[SPEAKER_03]: And they would have to be a heap of money.

01:04:18.552 --> 01:04:23.817
[SPEAKER_03]: This was one of the worst years they've had, a live attendance wise, that didn't involve a pandemic.

01:04:23.897 --> 01:04:24.498
[SPEAKER_03]: It was nasty.

01:04:25.278 --> 01:04:32.985
[SPEAKER_03]: The worst attended King of Pro Wrestling of all time, the worst one of the lower G1s in quite a while.

01:04:33.045 --> 01:04:34.447
[SPEAKER_03]: So it was pretty nasty.

01:04:34.467 --> 01:04:43.034
[SPEAKER_03]: They need to put butts in the seats and having your world champion in a six man on Wednesday and not in the United States is just not going to, I don't think it's going to help it.

01:04:43.074 --> 01:04:46.077
[SPEAKER_03]: Brad does have a question that I think is intrigued.

01:04:46.057 --> 01:04:47.279
[SPEAKER_03]: Should we hold off on that real quick?

01:04:47.759 --> 01:04:48.360
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, go ahead.

01:04:48.380 --> 01:04:49.542
[SPEAKER_03]: All right, what's up?

01:04:49.562 --> 01:04:51.845
[SPEAKER_02]: Josh, you only have a few more minutes left with us.

01:04:52.025 --> 01:04:52.626
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, right.

01:04:52.646 --> 01:05:07.926
[SPEAKER_02]: I want to give you the floor real quick to get whatever other thoughts you have about rental kingdom that you have on your mind right now before we let you go, whatever shows you want to plug in addition to keep it a trump style, which we talked about at the beginning of the show.

01:05:07.946 --> 01:05:10.309
[SPEAKER_02]: The floor is yours until you need to go my friend.

01:05:10.846 --> 01:05:13.369
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I appreciate it and I won't take up too much time.

01:05:13.429 --> 01:05:19.798
[SPEAKER_01]: I appreciate you guys having us on to a chat and hopefully in the future we could do something that's not so abbreviated.

01:05:21.580 --> 01:05:22.902
[SPEAKER_01]: Really looking forward to the show.

01:05:22.922 --> 01:05:33.276
[SPEAKER_01]: I am a little perplexed about the booking of all this and the show layout, but what we're gonna be there live so hopefully it's good, you know, obviously,

01:05:33.391 --> 01:05:46.691
[SPEAKER_01]: It's going to be extremely special because it's the final, or at least quote and quote as we know, the final match of Hiroshi Tanahashi's career, something tells me of any guy that won't be able to avoid going back in the ring.

01:05:46.851 --> 01:05:47.953
[SPEAKER_01]: It's probably him.

01:05:48.213 --> 01:05:55.684
[SPEAKER_01]: So I'm almost like preparing myself that he's probably going to go back in the ring at some point, but it is the end of his in-ring career.

01:05:55.744 --> 01:06:03.195
[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm going to be crying one way or the other, whether it's tears of happiness or tears of

01:06:03.175 --> 01:06:04.437
[SPEAKER_01]: There's going to be tears.

01:06:04.837 --> 01:06:07.582
[SPEAKER_01]: So let me be crying.

01:06:09.164 --> 01:06:13.931
[SPEAKER_01]: The one thing that I'd like to, you know, kind of plug before I go.

01:06:14.031 --> 01:06:19.259
[SPEAKER_01]: So I've been working on a Patreon series since the middle of this year.

01:06:19.299 --> 01:06:20.661
[SPEAKER_02]: A through the universe.

01:06:20.894 --> 01:06:37.832
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, Tonahashi, Ace of the Universe, kind of similar to the project that you guys were doing and you kind of headed that up, Stephen, where you guys came in and did retrospective and kind of detailed the full history of Tonahashi over several episodes.

01:06:38.453 --> 01:06:44.179
[SPEAKER_01]: And obviously, that was pretty exhaustive, but also as you mentioned, because I listened to it, it was really good.

01:06:44.759 --> 01:06:48.083
[SPEAKER_01]: But you mentioned on the show that,

01:06:48.063 --> 01:06:51.289
[SPEAKER_01]: you cut out a lot because for the sake of time.

01:06:52.111 --> 01:06:55.016
[SPEAKER_01]: So I'm kind of doing a version where like I'm cutting out nothing.

01:06:56.419 --> 01:07:04.274
[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm just up I'm just up to 2015 and I've been doing this since about June.

01:07:04.294 --> 01:07:09.244
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, I'm not going to finish obviously before wrestle kingdom, but uh,

01:07:09.224 --> 01:07:15.811
[SPEAKER_01]: I will be done, probably, in January or February, we're rounding out the final couple months here.

01:07:15.851 --> 01:07:29.324
[SPEAKER_01]: And it's a labor of love, it's exhaustive, it's literally gleaning from every single resource that I have available to me, both Japanese and English.

01:07:29.604 --> 01:07:35.130
[SPEAKER_01]: And if you guys haven't listened to it, I don't think that there's a more in-depth or,

01:07:35.110 --> 01:07:50.769
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think there's anybody as stupid as me to take on such a big project and commit themselves because it's literally like an hour to an hour and a half, maybe sometimes more per year for the entirety of Tanaashi's career, which is just insane.

01:07:50.809 --> 01:07:54.754
[SPEAKER_01]: And sometimes I get overwhelmed even thinking about having to continue to do episodes.

01:07:54.794 --> 01:07:57.917
[SPEAKER_01]: But it's a labor of love and it's behind our Patreon.

01:07:57.937 --> 01:08:01.462
[SPEAKER_01]: It's only $5 a month and which is part of the Patreon guy.

01:08:01.602 --> 01:08:02.603
[SPEAKER_02]: It's worth everybody.

01:08:02.583 --> 01:08:03.805
[SPEAKER_01]: Jeff, yeah, it's worth it.

01:08:04.426 --> 01:08:06.289
[SPEAKER_01]: So I hope you guys check it out.

01:08:06.349 --> 01:08:11.217
[SPEAKER_01]: Anyone who wants to learn a little bit more about talking how she's career and gets them in sight.

01:08:11.538 --> 01:08:13.641
[SPEAKER_01]: There's a really good, I think it's good.

01:08:14.022 --> 01:08:15.424
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm proud of the work that we're doing.

01:08:15.464 --> 01:08:17.447
[SPEAKER_02]: So you shouldn't be proud of it.

01:08:17.547 --> 01:08:18.890
[SPEAKER_02]: It's a win.

01:08:18.990 --> 01:08:22.896
[SPEAKER_02]: Anyone go back and I want to even do all this kind of stuff all the time.

01:08:23.317 --> 01:08:25.941
[SPEAKER_02]: Watching people go back and exhaustively like,

01:08:26.765 --> 01:08:29.954
[SPEAKER_02]: Chronicle, what has come before?

01:08:29.974 --> 01:08:36.614
[SPEAKER_02]: Isn't appreciated enough by people because I just think in general, history that it forgot and if death didn't be repeated.

01:08:36.935 --> 01:08:37.416
[SPEAKER_02]: So.

01:08:37.683 --> 01:08:39.406
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.

01:08:39.426 --> 01:08:39.726
[SPEAKER_03]: All right.

01:08:39.746 --> 01:08:42.171
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, very quickly though, I do want to get to this question.

01:08:42.251 --> 01:08:43.212
[SPEAKER_03]: It's a yes or no question.

01:08:43.232 --> 01:08:43.934
[SPEAKER_03]: So good news there.

01:08:43.954 --> 01:08:52.388
[SPEAKER_03]: So Jeremy and Josh, does anyone come out and challenge the winner of this match in the dome itself?

01:08:53.009 --> 01:08:53.610
[SPEAKER_03]: Does it happen?

01:08:53.870 --> 01:08:58.618
[SPEAKER_03]: You know, the the O'Count has surprised does anyone walk out as they're holding up both belts and challenge?

01:08:59.379 --> 01:08:59.520
[SPEAKER_01]: No.

01:09:01.002 --> 01:09:02.104
[SPEAKER_03]: Not even Aaron Wolf.

01:09:02.928 --> 01:09:20.501
[SPEAKER_00]: I want to say yes, I don't know if it's going to be air in wool, but I think somebody like again we talk about highlighting the young guys like you could have like umina or or more a come out challenge him that you're big, you know front page picture, you know next challenger up challenging suji.

01:09:20.982 --> 01:09:25.290
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, but you might my guess is that what if that happens it'll happen to dash.

01:09:26.165 --> 01:09:33.935
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, my only caveat to that is they do have that show coming up in the US very shortly, right after new beginning.

01:09:34.455 --> 01:09:43.346
[SPEAKER_01]: So if they need this, if they're going to do two title defenses back to back and they need to set up dual challengers, they might do one on wrestle kingdom and then do one on new beginning.

01:09:44.027 --> 01:09:52.257
[SPEAKER_01]: But my feeling is this just be personally, I think war dogs and full club are going to break up at new beginning or I'm sorry, at New Year's Dash.

01:09:52.237 --> 01:09:57.123
[SPEAKER_01]: I think that they made it pretty clear that Suji and Gabe have unresolved business.

01:09:57.203 --> 01:10:01.508
[SPEAKER_01]: I think kids on his way out, not saying this for many, many, many months.

01:10:01.889 --> 01:10:05.353
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so Suji kid, new beginning one year.

01:10:05.433 --> 01:10:21.552
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01:10:23.135 --> 01:10:24.356
[SPEAKER_01]: But thank you guys for having me.

01:10:24.376 --> 01:10:29.442
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to jump off and I'll definitely, uh, uh, you know, listen to the rest of that episode.

01:10:29.462 --> 01:10:31.865
[SPEAKER_01]: Here you guys, great takes and uh, talking to you later.

01:10:31.905 --> 01:10:33.527
[SPEAKER_01]: And buddy, we'll see you in the pan.

01:10:34.248 --> 01:10:34.889
[SPEAKER_02]: All right.

01:10:34.909 --> 01:10:35.189
[SPEAKER_02]: Take it.

01:10:37.211 --> 01:10:37.772
[SPEAKER_03]: Okay.

01:10:37.812 --> 01:10:40.155
[SPEAKER_03]: So with that, we definitely appreciate him stopping by.

01:10:40.235 --> 01:10:42.417
[SPEAKER_03]: And we, uh, we still have both Jeremy's here.

01:10:42.478 --> 01:10:44.620
[SPEAKER_03]: So we're going to keep on rolling with this now.

01:10:45.477 --> 01:10:47.140
[SPEAKER_03]: who third from the top.

01:10:47.441 --> 01:10:48.162
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, God help us.

01:10:48.382 --> 01:10:50.226
[SPEAKER_03]: It is the never open weight title.

01:10:50.246 --> 01:10:52.270
[SPEAKER_03]: Aaron Wolf versus evil.

01:10:52.290 --> 01:10:53.652
[SPEAKER_03]: And this is of course Aaron Wolf.

01:10:53.672 --> 01:10:57.659
[SPEAKER_03]: Super heavyweight judo gold medalist against evil.

01:10:57.840 --> 01:11:00.124
[SPEAKER_03]: And what's an eye bay been working with him a lot.

01:11:00.224 --> 01:11:01.967
[SPEAKER_03]: This is primary trainer out here.

01:11:04.051 --> 01:11:05.554
[SPEAKER_03]: I am worried about this one because.

01:11:05.734 --> 01:11:06.135
[SPEAKER_04]: Oh, why?

01:11:07.955 --> 01:11:12.961
[SPEAKER_03]: Wolf has done a couple of worked judo throws in the ring and almost tripped over his own feet both times.

01:11:13.341 --> 01:11:17.185
[SPEAKER_03]: He has been hit with a chair and had to be reminded twice to sell it.

01:11:18.367 --> 01:11:24.133
[SPEAKER_03]: He then had a polar part brawl with evil at the World Tag League where he absolutely froze.

01:11:24.794 --> 01:11:28.999
[SPEAKER_03]: They started it and Wolf actually hit evil with a pretty decent looking forearm.

01:11:29.139 --> 01:11:31.221
[SPEAKER_03]: I've like, okay, all right, there it is.

01:11:31.241 --> 01:11:35.346
[SPEAKER_03]: Then he allowed a guy about one third of his size to hold him back

01:11:35.326 --> 01:11:39.932
[SPEAKER_03]: evil hit him back and wolf just stared just did nothing.

01:11:40.392 --> 01:11:50.124
[SPEAKER_03]: And in the end, the worst part of it though to me, you guys, the part that was very similar to me, they fought, quote unquote, all the way back to the backstage comments section.

01:11:50.745 --> 01:11:53.308
[SPEAKER_03]: Once they were there, they tried to do another pull apart.

01:11:53.989 --> 01:11:56.512
[SPEAKER_03]: Again, wolf didn't really do anything.

01:11:56.973 --> 01:12:04.742
[SPEAKER_03]: And in the end, he turned his back to evil and

01:12:05.093 --> 01:12:12.026
[SPEAKER_03]: This is worrisome to me here, but my thought is this needs to be choreographed and it needs to be quick.

01:12:12.447 --> 01:12:18.879
[SPEAKER_03]: This needs to be more like a dance recital than a pro wrestling match because if they try to call anything in the ring, I don't.

01:12:19.420 --> 01:12:20.381
[SPEAKER_03]: Maybe he'll shock me.

01:12:20.922 --> 01:12:21.684
[SPEAKER_03]: Maybe he'll shock me.

01:12:21.764 --> 01:12:24.469
[SPEAKER_03]: I just don't see evidence that this guy's ready for this.

01:12:24.652 --> 01:12:31.461
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I have the same concerns and there are a lot of people out there that are like, oh, you know, give it time.

01:12:31.502 --> 01:12:34.626
[SPEAKER_00]: You can't judge anything and tell January 4.

01:12:34.826 --> 01:12:37.991
[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm like, no, I'm watching every show.

01:12:38.631 --> 01:12:40.274
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to judge what's being presented to me.

01:12:40.654 --> 01:12:45.861
[SPEAKER_00]: And like you mentioned, Steven, every angle that he's been in has not been great.

01:12:46.162 --> 01:12:46.963
[SPEAKER_00]: He looks.

01:12:46.943 --> 01:12:54.255
[SPEAKER_00]: super green, which I know he's super green, but the problem is they are pushing him out and this big match is big moment.

01:12:54.656 --> 01:12:56.479
[SPEAKER_00]: He an a card that's very limited.

01:12:56.499 --> 01:13:00.145
[SPEAKER_00]: He's getting a spot and he's clearly not ready.

01:13:00.325 --> 01:13:01.166
[SPEAKER_00]: That's the problem.

01:13:01.727 --> 01:13:03.811
[SPEAKER_00]: And they're pushing them, you know, throwing it's out there yelling.

01:13:04.051 --> 01:13:05.373
[SPEAKER_00]: He's the best man in the planet.

01:13:05.434 --> 01:13:06.615
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh my gosh, you're coming there.

01:13:06.916 --> 01:13:08.358
[SPEAKER_00]: And the commentator's like going crazy.

01:13:08.378 --> 01:13:09.981
[SPEAKER_00]: And then he just comes out.

01:13:09.961 --> 01:13:11.182
[SPEAKER_00]: looks uninterested.

01:13:11.222 --> 01:13:13.645
[SPEAKER_00]: He's getting in the brawl doesn't really know what to do.

01:13:13.705 --> 01:13:14.566
[SPEAKER_00]: He's freezing.

01:13:14.586 --> 01:13:17.829
[SPEAKER_00]: He's not selling no fire, no facial reactions.

01:13:17.909 --> 01:13:21.833
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm like, I'm, yeah, I'm, I'm very concerned about this.

01:13:21.853 --> 01:13:29.721
[SPEAKER_00]: And like you said, I don't, I know New Japan really strives on learning the fundamentals, calling it in the ring and not having your whole match laid out.

01:13:29.921 --> 01:13:32.104
[SPEAKER_00]: But we've seen it done of e-formula.

01:13:32.284 --> 01:13:33.725
[SPEAKER_00]: Why celebrities succeed there?

01:13:33.765 --> 01:13:38.230
[SPEAKER_00]: Because their whole match, the slogan Paul is whole

01:13:38.210 --> 01:13:41.959
[SPEAKER_00]: Like you're saying, Steven, I think for this to be a hit, yeah, it needs to be short.

01:13:42.119 --> 01:13:51.021
[SPEAKER_00]: It needs to be he's hitting just some judo throws, you know, he throws, evil he throws fall a gets a big pin and you make it quick and easy as possible.

01:13:51.895 --> 01:14:05.758
[SPEAKER_02]: I had a very good suggestion about this young Aaron Wolf a while back and I hope hopefully this will come all the problems.

01:14:06.179 --> 01:14:09.684
[SPEAKER_02]: He cannot connect with the audience with his facial with his facial.

01:14:10.145 --> 01:14:14.292
[SPEAKER_02]: So this dude needs to get a pair of chono chunguasses immediately.

01:14:14.272 --> 01:14:23.446
[SPEAKER_02]: and just wear them all the time and I feel like his ability to pull off his moves and do whatever and whatever personality vibe that he needs to do.

01:14:23.466 --> 01:14:30.377
[SPEAKER_02]: If he's hiding behind those sunglasses, I know it sounds like the stupidest thing in the world, but I think it will go a long way.

01:14:30.837 --> 01:14:34.643
[SPEAKER_02]: Like just hide his eye because something about him.

01:14:35.602 --> 01:14:47.342
[SPEAKER_02]: Give me like the Gable Steve Sin almost like blankness where he just, he does not convey the charisma with his body like mechanical gestures.

01:14:47.782 --> 01:14:55.095
[SPEAKER_02]: So you need to focus on something else like the glasses that are a symbol of his badass.

01:14:55.115 --> 01:14:56.597
[SPEAKER_02]: Like you just need something.

01:14:56.763 --> 01:14:57.604
[SPEAKER_03]: And it is fair.

01:14:57.624 --> 01:14:58.325
[SPEAKER_03]: I've been pointing it out.

01:14:58.366 --> 01:14:59.127
[SPEAKER_03]: It's fair to point out.

01:14:59.367 --> 01:15:03.834
[SPEAKER_03]: Bolton Oleg was very stoic, and wouldn't very early in his career.

01:15:03.874 --> 01:15:04.335
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know.

01:15:04.756 --> 01:15:06.518
[SPEAKER_03]: He wasn't uncoordinated.

01:15:07.099 --> 01:15:09.623
[SPEAKER_03]: And there's a different kind of coordination.

01:15:09.643 --> 01:15:14.130
[SPEAKER_03]: Look, Aaron Wolfe is a gold medalist, super heavyweight in Jerusalem's a bad man.

01:15:14.751 --> 01:15:16.374
[SPEAKER_03]: He can absolutely take care of himself.

01:15:16.494 --> 01:15:17.916
[SPEAKER_03]: And that is not the issue.

01:15:17.976 --> 01:15:20.340
[SPEAKER_03]: That's not what I'm talking about here.

01:15:20.320 --> 01:15:35.359
[SPEAKER_03]: Pro Wrestling is that weird combination of sports and theater and what a lot of people don't understand is just how important footwork is to not look silly and stumble and be out of position and it's a dance in there.

01:15:35.339 --> 01:15:36.621
[SPEAKER_03]: in a lot of ways.

01:15:36.641 --> 01:15:46.297
[SPEAKER_03]: So it's just the way that, you know, Jackie Chan always said that his fight scenes, he would watch friend of stair movies, you know, because that's the kind of the beats and things.

01:15:46.317 --> 01:15:47.840
[SPEAKER_03]: There's a little bit of that in pro wrestling.

01:15:47.860 --> 01:15:48.821
[SPEAKER_03]: It's not exactly the same.

01:15:49.242 --> 01:15:53.248
[SPEAKER_03]: And Wolf just looks kind of out of place and uncoordinated out there.

01:15:53.349 --> 01:15:55.693
[SPEAKER_03]: It's two totally different skill sets.

01:15:55.713 --> 01:15:59.659
[SPEAKER_03]: He's got to learn them in six months and then go on national television for it.

01:15:59.791 --> 01:16:00.231
[SPEAKER_00]: Scary.

01:16:00.912 --> 01:16:05.657
[SPEAKER_00]: I think that they would have been better off like making him a special enforcer for this match.

01:16:06.218 --> 01:16:09.541
[SPEAKER_00]: You have somebody else, another young guy who's actually ready.

01:16:09.561 --> 01:16:13.606
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, this could have been like Umino versus evil, air wool, special enforcer.

01:16:13.966 --> 01:16:17.510
[SPEAKER_00]: Then you have the big spot where they're trying to cheat, air wool throws evil.

01:16:18.031 --> 01:16:19.892
[SPEAKER_00]: Umino hits the death rider against the win.

01:16:19.913 --> 01:16:24.898
[SPEAKER_00]: I think that would have been much more effective than forcing him into this big moment that he's not ready for.

01:16:25.639 --> 01:16:28.802
[SPEAKER_03]: More evidence folks that pro wrestling should be booked by podcasters.

01:16:31.448 --> 01:16:32.289
[SPEAKER_03]: They're right.

01:16:32.389 --> 01:16:33.090
[SPEAKER_03]: We're always right.

01:16:33.110 --> 01:16:41.162
[SPEAKER_03]: That's the best part of this job is that we're never proven wrong yet another in a clickable match that we got for us to kick them.

01:16:41.763 --> 01:16:42.544
[SPEAKER_03]: Yes, exactly.

01:16:42.604 --> 01:16:46.650
[SPEAKER_03]: But you're right by the way, I think that's an outstanding suggestion would have been a better use of the guy.

01:16:46.930 --> 01:16:50.495
[SPEAKER_03]: It's another way of hiding those weaknesses until he learns how to wrestle.

01:16:50.515 --> 01:16:58.907
[SPEAKER_03]: Then you've got months more months plural for him to work out every day in that gym and get that stuff down pat.

01:16:58.887 --> 01:17:00.169
[SPEAKER_03]: late frame.

01:17:00.189 --> 01:17:00.950
[SPEAKER_03]: That's not enough.

01:17:01.071 --> 01:17:08.623
[SPEAKER_03]: Guys are in the dojo for more than a year before we even see him with the shaved head doing five, you know, doing the 10 minute brush.

01:17:08.683 --> 01:17:10.706
[SPEAKER_03]: That's a long process.

01:17:10.766 --> 01:17:14.212
[SPEAKER_03]: They certainly aren't thrown into the spotlight like this.

01:17:14.252 --> 01:17:15.073
[SPEAKER_03]: So it's a risk.

01:17:15.434 --> 01:17:15.855
[SPEAKER_03]: It's a risk.

01:17:16.335 --> 01:17:19.140
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, and all right, so it's something at the foundation of week.

01:17:19.120 --> 01:17:20.382
[SPEAKER_03]: Yes, exactly.

01:17:20.882 --> 01:17:23.346
[SPEAKER_03]: The other baffling match that Jeremy finds don't just reference.

01:17:23.906 --> 01:17:29.494
[SPEAKER_03]: Now, we don't want to waste your time with a junior heavyweight title match featuring an outstanding wrestler like Doki.

01:17:29.834 --> 01:17:30.415
[SPEAKER_03]: No time for that.

01:17:30.475 --> 01:17:32.678
[SPEAKER_03]: But the good news is we do have four really good wrestlers.

01:17:32.898 --> 01:17:36.082
[SPEAKER_03]: We're going to put him in a four way and they're eventually going to get a title match.

01:17:36.303 --> 01:17:47.878
[SPEAKER_03]: That'll be fun on it.

01:17:47.858 --> 01:17:55.265
[SPEAKER_03]: some time, considering what happened with Dokey in the dome last year where he was injured, got a huge entrance.

01:17:55.285 --> 01:18:08.096
[SPEAKER_03]: So when I was getting Yakiniku in Tokyo after that show, some people that weren't wrestling fans and figured out that I had been to the show with our Google Translate things, talked about his entrance.

01:18:08.416 --> 01:18:15.002
[SPEAKER_03]: It had made mainstream news that this Kabuki theater actor had been out there with Dokey.

01:18:15.022 --> 01:18:15.623
[SPEAKER_03]: They knew that.

01:18:15.643 --> 01:18:17.224
[SPEAKER_03]: They didn't know anything

01:18:17.204 --> 01:18:20.131
[SPEAKER_03]: but they know, oh, that guy was, that guy was in the building, right?

01:18:20.151 --> 01:18:20.932
[SPEAKER_03]: You saw that guy.

01:18:21.012 --> 01:18:22.115
[SPEAKER_03]: That's what they were impressed with.

01:18:23.358 --> 01:18:24.180
[SPEAKER_03]: He was a feature thing.

01:18:24.580 --> 01:18:29.251
[SPEAKER_03]: Now he's, they've got him again saying ass and I and things like, I don't want to be on the biggest show of the year.

01:18:29.632 --> 01:18:30.454
[SPEAKER_03]: What are they doing here?

01:18:30.634 --> 01:18:34.102
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, other than giving us a pretty good match, it'll probably be pretty quick.

01:18:34.442 --> 01:18:35.445
[SPEAKER_03]: It'll be full speed ahead.

01:18:36.026 --> 01:18:36.968
[SPEAKER_03]: What are we doing here?

01:18:37.876 --> 01:18:44.049
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, the handling of Doki since his return has been just hooking him out practice.

01:18:44.389 --> 01:18:48.498
[SPEAKER_00]: This is the guy that was super over as a baby face had a great title run last year.

01:18:48.558 --> 01:18:55.632
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, was poised for another great year until he broke his arm in the dome and to me it was an easy layup.

01:18:55.612 --> 01:18:59.142
[SPEAKER_00]: him come back, decibel champion, you run back the match.

01:18:59.242 --> 01:19:02.872
[SPEAKER_00]: What happened last year and then you actually have the match.

01:19:02.892 --> 01:19:10.633
[SPEAKER_00]: He doesn't get hurt and he wins a title in the dome, another young guy winning the title in the dome over the established, you know, death's proddle.

01:19:10.613 --> 01:19:16.600
[SPEAKER_03]: But no, by the way, desperate out of the loose that match a hundred times and he's still fine, but yeah, no, go ahead.

01:19:16.640 --> 01:19:17.722
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm sorry, interrupt.

01:19:17.742 --> 01:19:18.182
[SPEAKER_03]: No, you're good.

01:19:18.763 --> 01:19:20.866
[SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, that was too easy for New Japan.

01:19:20.906 --> 01:19:22.267
[SPEAKER_00]: That led was too easy.

01:19:22.307 --> 01:19:26.573
[SPEAKER_00]: We have to make it convoluted and we have to do this four way for the title shot.

01:19:26.673 --> 01:19:30.558
[SPEAKER_00]: And instead of featuring, if you're doing this, why not just have Doki in the match, at least.

01:19:31.379 --> 01:19:34.142
[SPEAKER_00]: But no, we have to do this, this weird number one container's match.

01:19:34.763 --> 01:19:40.570
[SPEAKER_00]: And I just don't understand the logic behind why they want this way.

01:19:41.731 --> 01:20:03.958
[SPEAKER_02]: I think we were all completely meant to find in the beginning of November and of October when Doki standing in the middle of the ring and Desperado and Ishi Mori are mouse and off at him and they're speaking on fugitive behalf and then all of a sudden Doki's in the back and you're like, well, I'm not going to do this, but I'll send show along and maybe and if you can get past him and you're just sitting here like,

01:20:04.799 --> 01:20:05.159
[SPEAKER_02]: Why?

01:20:05.880 --> 01:20:06.161
[SPEAKER_02]: Why?

01:20:06.181 --> 01:20:10.546
[SPEAKER_02]: And then you're like, well, who's don't you get a face at rest of the kingdom?

01:20:10.566 --> 01:20:12.968
[SPEAKER_02]: Because obviously, this is all just an angle.

01:20:13.128 --> 01:20:14.350
[SPEAKER_02]: And you get to have a match.

01:20:14.870 --> 01:20:20.617
[SPEAKER_02]: And it never happens that you're just like the wind is taking out of your sails.

01:20:20.817 --> 01:20:26.644
[SPEAKER_02]: I think last Monday or whatever it was, the world, the day after the World Tag League finals, when this all came out.

01:20:27.124 --> 01:20:31.409
[SPEAKER_02]: And all of these champions didn't have these matches.

01:20:31.449 --> 01:20:32.190
[SPEAKER_02]: And you're like,

01:20:33.352 --> 01:20:34.553
[SPEAKER_03]: Okay.

01:20:34.573 --> 01:20:34.913
[SPEAKER_03]: Okay.

01:20:35.494 --> 01:20:35.954
[SPEAKER_03]: Okay.

01:20:36.715 --> 01:20:40.539
[SPEAKER_03]: Do you think we will see Dokey interfere and try to help show when?

01:20:40.559 --> 01:20:43.001
[SPEAKER_00]: I hope so.

01:20:43.021 --> 01:20:43.882
[SPEAKER_00]: I will probably.

01:20:44.843 --> 01:20:47.025
[SPEAKER_03]: I feel like we should see him at least, right?

01:20:47.786 --> 01:21:01.519
[SPEAKER_02]: And let's be incapacitated in some way in the rambo, the gauntlet, which, you know, I don't, I don't see him nod on the card completely, because either involved here or even the

01:21:02.883 --> 01:21:03.364
[SPEAKER_03]: All right.

01:21:03.484 --> 01:21:04.165
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, there you go.

01:21:04.205 --> 01:21:10.135
[SPEAKER_03]: So now we have a 10 person tag before this one as we work our way back to the front of the card.

01:21:10.155 --> 01:21:14.142
[SPEAKER_03]: So this is the unaffiliated and award dogs crew.

01:21:14.162 --> 01:21:23.057
[SPEAKER_03]: So we have Haromu Takahashi, Drillamologi, Shingo Takagi, Dave Finlay and Gabe Kid on one side.

01:21:23.157 --> 01:21:26.022
[SPEAKER_03]: On the other is Great O'Con, Kellon Newman, Henare,

01:21:26.002 --> 01:21:27.143
[SPEAKER_03]: X and X.

01:21:27.964 --> 01:21:38.596
[SPEAKER_03]: So obviously this match is less about having a great match than telling a story and that story being whoever these two X's are.

01:21:39.517 --> 01:21:46.946
[SPEAKER_03]: We've already talked a little bit about who is rumored for perhaps the knockout brothers who have decided that this war dog's thing isn't what they had hoped it would be.

01:21:47.887 --> 01:21:54.895
[SPEAKER_03]: Perhaps it is nighto and bushy out here just to troll everybody.

01:21:54.875 --> 01:21:59.640
[SPEAKER_03]: So, I mean, is there much more to say about this one?

01:21:59.660 --> 01:22:02.143
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, we can't really analyze this until we know who the X is are.

01:22:02.903 --> 01:22:04.225
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't actually think you need to.

01:22:04.305 --> 01:22:07.649
[SPEAKER_02]: I, I honestly think the United Empire or due to win this.

01:22:08.730 --> 01:22:11.573
[SPEAKER_02]: And the surprising things are going to do that.

01:22:11.653 --> 01:22:18.520
[SPEAKER_02]: But like Josh mentioned in your dash, you know, the reality is, it can be a really big, factual shake-up.

01:22:18.500 --> 01:22:30.151
[SPEAKER_02]: like there has to be a new Japan and the reality that's starting with this match is, you know, ward on losing whenever one expects them to win, you know, you got her own when you got shingle, like, this is a team of burgers.

01:22:30.292 --> 01:22:34.483
[SPEAKER_02]: They should be winning this match and them losing it actually wouldn't surprise me at all.

01:22:35.138 --> 01:22:49.266
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm very happy that Henri is back from injury, by the way, that's a big deal to see that guy back, and then, but to Jeremy Donovan, I go ahead and many thoughts you have about this match, and then I have a question for you after after you're done with that about the war dog's future.

01:22:49.651 --> 01:23:00.254
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so I mean, overall, if you're saying it's all about the mystery guys, I'm glad they are doing something if you're, you know, to Empire, they've had a rough year just with, uh, cobbling and a care getting injured.

01:23:00.354 --> 01:23:02.218
[SPEAKER_00]: And so I like the heel turn.

01:23:02.258 --> 01:23:06.006
[SPEAKER_00]: I like what Newman has been doing and glad her narrates back.

01:23:05.986 --> 01:23:14.690
[SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, it's going to be very interesting to see who the new guys are, how does the fact, you know, empire, how does the fact the whole pool club wardog unaffulated union.

01:23:15.231 --> 01:23:21.970
[SPEAKER_00]: So it's not going to be, you know, a five star banger, but I think it'll be a fun match and it'll build some stories for next year.

01:23:22.591 --> 01:23:26.335
[SPEAKER_03]: And Brad mentioned that he's a little bit disappointed Jake about Austin Young isn't in it.

01:23:26.355 --> 01:23:27.997
[SPEAKER_03]: He said a good year in her to spot here.

01:23:28.398 --> 01:23:32.703
[SPEAKER_03]: He thinks so, perhaps, Jake Lee returning, which is something we talked about earlier.

01:23:33.043 --> 01:23:35.165
[SPEAKER_03]: And he else just says, no TJP, please.

01:23:35.225 --> 01:23:35.686
[SPEAKER_03]: Thank you.

01:23:35.706 --> 01:23:36.787
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't think I have to worry about that.

01:23:36.827 --> 01:23:39.150
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't think TJP is a factor in this one.

01:23:39.530 --> 01:23:49.662
[SPEAKER_03]: But the question I had to you is if you have the same take on the wardogs that we did, and if it's different, you know, we have been kind of supposing

01:23:49.810 --> 01:23:53.678
[SPEAKER_03]: We assume the Gabe kid is probably on his way back to the state side.

01:23:54.359 --> 01:24:01.735
[SPEAKER_03]: This whole thing with the unaffiliated war dogs alliance seems to be a new Japan sort of putting these guys into holding pattern to me.

01:24:01.775 --> 01:24:02.637
[SPEAKER_03]: This is what it looks like to me.

01:24:02.677 --> 01:24:07.667
[SPEAKER_03]: Putting these guys into holding pattern just to see how many war dogs are left.

01:24:07.647 --> 01:24:16.099
[SPEAKER_03]: And once the new year comes up, it is Finlay who has a fairly young child, a relatively new child.

01:24:16.139 --> 01:24:25.272
[SPEAKER_03]: I think he just had his wife had a baby last year, is he ready to go back home and work for an American company with all that uncertainty?

01:24:25.312 --> 01:24:30.820
[SPEAKER_03]: Maybe they just didn't want to put a lot of eggs in that basket, so you kind of put them in this little mishmash of a

01:24:30.800 --> 01:24:37.820
[SPEAKER_03]: of a faction, and then if they leave, well, you hadn't put the war dogs up on top anyway.

01:24:37.840 --> 01:24:45.602
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, what's your thought on this feels like a little bit of self-preservation after they were stung a couple of times with surprise departures.

01:24:46.173 --> 01:25:00.552
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I think, well, first on the affiliated side, I felt like unafiliated was just kind of a holding pattern until they could try to resign night to Embuci, so they were just going to kind of wait to bring those guys back and just kind of rebamp L.I.J., so I feel like that's what's what's happening with those guys.

01:25:00.612 --> 01:25:05.278
[SPEAKER_00]: And yeah, I do feel like yeah, mashing up of war dogs could be a good way to

01:25:05.258 --> 01:25:07.061
[SPEAKER_00]: figure out what's happening with these guys.

01:25:07.081 --> 01:25:11.226
[SPEAKER_00]: There have been rumors that there's going to be a foreigner Exodus at the beginning of the year.

01:25:11.307 --> 01:25:20.760
[SPEAKER_00]: They usually is, and we could see, yeah, Gabe, Drilla, Bentley, Clark Conner, who said he's going home, and we haven't seen him back since then.

01:25:20.800 --> 01:25:31.435
[SPEAKER_00]: So it does sound like a lot of these warbox could be leaving, potentially going to, you know,

01:25:31.415 --> 01:25:35.661
[SPEAKER_00]: hole in their spot and tell they kind of shake things down, figure out who's staying, who's going.

01:25:36.162 --> 01:25:38.606
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, it just feels like they're all just kind of sitting around.

01:25:38.686 --> 01:25:45.115
[SPEAKER_03]: It's not because, and even their promos, there doesn't seem to be a direction because I honestly don't think there is one.

01:25:45.135 --> 01:25:48.941
[SPEAKER_03]: I think New Japan is truly just waiting to see who stays.

01:25:49.421 --> 01:25:50.803
[SPEAKER_03]: And then we'll figure it out.

01:25:50.904 --> 01:25:52.646
[SPEAKER_03]: So everybody's just kind of doing those promos.

01:25:52.686 --> 01:25:54.589
[SPEAKER_03]: Like next year's going to be a big year for me.

01:25:54.609 --> 01:25:56.612
[SPEAKER_03]: You know, the stuff you say when you don't have anything to say.

01:25:58.263 --> 01:26:01.968
[SPEAKER_03]: So anyway, weird match, we'll see what comes of it there again.

01:26:02.208 --> 01:26:05.372
[SPEAKER_03]: Not even at Dunkhall or Pount, not at you with Dog Pount, K-Tratch.

01:26:05.392 --> 01:26:07.054
[SPEAKER_00]: I was hoping, I was hoping what's going to be it.

01:26:08.796 --> 01:26:11.159
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, you could do it all in match, but no.

01:26:11.219 --> 01:26:11.620
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know.

01:26:11.660 --> 01:26:13.342
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know if I know right once any more of that.

01:26:14.423 --> 01:26:17.588
[SPEAKER_03]: I was almost killed in the last one of the game kids.

01:26:18.268 --> 01:26:19.089
[SPEAKER_03]: Who gets pinned?

01:26:21.312 --> 01:26:21.993
[SPEAKER_00]: Probably her own, though.

01:26:23.715 --> 01:26:25.097
[SPEAKER_02]: What a thinly got pinned.

01:26:26.545 --> 01:26:27.927
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, that would tell us a lot, wouldn't it?

01:26:30.470 --> 01:26:30.570
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

01:26:30.590 --> 01:26:31.651
[SPEAKER_02]: That would be an interesting one.

01:26:32.212 --> 01:26:34.334
[SPEAKER_02]: You guys, I don't see the United Empire losing.

01:26:34.455 --> 01:26:35.115
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know why.

01:26:35.215 --> 01:26:41.283
[SPEAKER_02]: I just, they've been heating those guys up clearly and waiting for that opportunity for the tinder off.

01:26:41.303 --> 01:26:43.465
[SPEAKER_02]: And I don't know what you like to do.

01:26:43.485 --> 01:26:43.706
[SPEAKER_02]: Is it?

01:26:45.267 --> 01:26:48.491
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, and if it is Jacob Allen Young, then we walk us.

01:26:49.432 --> 01:26:50.394
[SPEAKER_03]: Austin Young, him too.

01:26:50.454 --> 01:26:52.236
[SPEAKER_03]: Jeremy Allen White is on the bear.

01:26:52.596 --> 01:26:54.038
[SPEAKER_03]: And played very bonheurits.

01:26:55.216 --> 01:26:56.998
[SPEAKER_03]: All right, you're more mature to go before we're out of here.

01:26:57.539 --> 01:27:00.122
[SPEAKER_03]: Hey, now this is this could be the match of the dog on night.

01:27:00.262 --> 01:27:03.026
[SPEAKER_03]: If it gets any kind of shit, it won't, it won't.

01:27:03.366 --> 01:27:04.328
[SPEAKER_03]: But it'll be really good.

01:27:04.528 --> 01:27:13.680
[SPEAKER_03]: IWGP women's champion, the IWGP Joe's champion, Sherry, taking on the Tokyo Sports MVP, the double champion.

01:27:13.700 --> 01:27:15.382
[SPEAKER_03]: She's the NJP W Strong Champion.

01:27:15.402 --> 01:27:19.367
[SPEAKER_03]: She is the world of starting champion, Saya, Kamitani,

01:27:19.347 --> 01:27:23.773
[SPEAKER_03]: This, if it is given any time at all, these two can light it up.

01:27:23.933 --> 01:27:27.397
[SPEAKER_03]: This should be absolutely fantastic as long as they get a little bit of time.

01:27:27.417 --> 01:27:35.467
[SPEAKER_03]: We, I know the Kyrie and, and, uh, it was the Kyrie and Tam Nikano only got about five minutes in the dome and people have been pissed off about it ever since, right?

01:27:36.108 --> 01:27:38.591
[SPEAKER_03]: But, uh, again, these titles are combining.

01:27:38.771 --> 01:27:41.895
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm hope if they get 10 minutes, it could be one of the best things I'll show.

01:27:42.702 --> 01:27:59.398
[SPEAKER_00]: I think with Sia's, you know, elevated star presence and how much she's been in the media and been on all these TV shows, I think they're, you know, hopefully the smart thing would be to capitalize again on her popularity, yeah, give them, you know, 10 to 15 minutes and let them go out there have a great match.

01:27:59.438 --> 01:28:00.459
[SPEAKER_00]: I expect her to win.

01:28:00.499 --> 01:28:09.267
[SPEAKER_00]: Again, that's another one of your, you know, pictures right there, her, her holding both titles, you know, being the out of BGP Women's

01:28:09.247 --> 01:28:14.835
[SPEAKER_00]: So I think that's the way to go and yeah, it could end up being one of the standouts match the card.

01:28:15.288 --> 01:28:16.290
[SPEAKER_03]: All right, good afternoon.

01:28:16.310 --> 01:28:21.459
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, our good friends, my good friend has Scott Edwards, a friend of the show, everything else.

01:28:21.679 --> 01:28:32.318
[SPEAKER_03]: And one of the best guys on Josie Wrestling, there is anywhere, is a supposed that this could be away, by the way, of working the world of start and title out of circulation altogether.

01:28:32.399 --> 01:28:39.912
[SPEAKER_03]: He thinks that it's a way to continue to move away from the Rossio Gaway area and just kind of go with the IWGP Josie title as the title.

01:28:39.892 --> 01:28:50.948
[SPEAKER_03]: But we'll see how that turns out Brad is saying it should be 15 to 20 minute epic, but being matched to on the card he's figuring more eight and yeah, it's probably here here here

01:28:52.042 --> 01:28:53.083
[SPEAKER_02]: Jeremy, I'm with you.

01:28:53.123 --> 01:29:00.694
[SPEAKER_02]: I think the fact that she won so convincingly in Tokyo Sports gave them five more minutes than whatever that they were going to get.

01:29:01.135 --> 01:29:04.579
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, I think that I think that's a good thing.

01:29:04.599 --> 01:29:10.167
[SPEAKER_02]: I think one thing, one of only four matches on the card that the singles match is going to give them time.

01:29:11.088 --> 01:29:21.863
[SPEAKER_02]: And number two, the fact that only seven matches on the card, there's really every excuse to pad their

01:29:23.311 --> 01:29:30.198
[SPEAKER_02]: If they knock it out of the park, it's going to drive a lot of fire under the ass of everyone else on the show afterward.

01:29:30.259 --> 01:29:34.114
[SPEAKER_02]: Like we can't let the YouTube show itself and it's going to make the show a better show.

01:29:34.448 --> 01:29:47.655
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, let's let's keep my one of the thing to with this thing that the entrances for Tanahashi and Nakada are going to last a while the match is not going to be short and that ceremony That could be an hour and a half of the show.

01:29:47.916 --> 01:29:49.840
[SPEAKER_02]: I think it's two hours for Okada to talk to.

01:29:50.060 --> 01:29:52.124
[SPEAKER_03]: From the time they walk out the curtain to the time.

01:29:52.164 --> 01:29:54.870
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, it fades out.

01:29:54.850 --> 01:30:01.597
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, that's why we're a little light on just volume of matches because we got a lot to accomplish in that one.

01:30:01.677 --> 01:30:04.240
[SPEAKER_03]: So yeah, but Sherry versus I should be great.

01:30:04.260 --> 01:30:06.602
[SPEAKER_03]: They kneecap their own paper view on this by the way.

01:30:06.662 --> 01:30:11.247
[SPEAKER_03]: Sia has a match with Sayori Anu, which would be a terrific match to dream-queen them.

01:30:11.767 --> 01:30:21.297
[SPEAKER_03]: And it's for that the world of startup title, but you notice this is not

01:30:21.277 --> 01:30:23.601
[SPEAKER_03]: Sia is going to defend her title rest of Kingdom.

01:30:23.621 --> 01:30:25.224
[SPEAKER_03]: So, it looks like, sorry.

01:30:26.005 --> 01:30:31.434
[SPEAKER_03]: But yeah, they basically just never minded their own title match over this one to have this on that one.

01:30:31.554 --> 01:30:33.798
[SPEAKER_03]: So, all right.

01:30:33.878 --> 01:30:35.561
[SPEAKER_03]: So, the first one, good grief.

01:30:35.721 --> 01:30:39.508
[SPEAKER_03]: The never open weight six man title tornado, rainbow.

01:30:40.569 --> 01:30:43.234
[SPEAKER_03]: And yeah, so we're going to have pop stars.

01:30:43.775 --> 01:30:45.478
[SPEAKER_03]: We were going to have a guess.

01:30:45.638 --> 01:30:46.980
[SPEAKER_03]: We're going to have

01:30:47.433 --> 01:30:54.591
[SPEAKER_03]: Probably the last two world heavyweight champions in this match somewhere in there, but we're not gonna tell you

01:30:55.128 --> 01:31:08.026
[SPEAKER_03]: This match is beyond baffling but we know why it's happening so they can get a bunch of guys on the card I'm actually like this nobody shines So the question is what you know, what are we really going to accomplish here?

01:31:08.046 --> 01:31:11.711
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, we're gonna get that Devastationally handsome man there on the right.

01:31:11.812 --> 01:31:12.533
[SPEAKER_03]: He's gonna be in it.

01:31:12.593 --> 01:31:19.262
[SPEAKER_03]: He's he's a big pop star We're gonna be a DDT He's a mainstream name We're going to have but I can't man

01:31:20.575 --> 01:31:36.230
[SPEAKER_03]: Show to Umano, you, you way more, go to Zach, they're probably going to be in here somewhere, but the last couple of main adventures at the Tokyo dome, not even in announced matches, just kind of thrown into a Rambo.

01:31:36.270 --> 01:31:37.673
[SPEAKER_03]: It's a puzzling card.

01:31:38.935 --> 01:31:44.041
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, very, very weird decision here, and not really expecting great things from this match.

01:31:44.061 --> 01:31:59.680
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, the only way I would think this establish this is this, yeah, if you do have like two kind of super team that the end, like let's say you have like, ELP, Umino, and Uemora against like Zach, Oywen, herel, Jackson, I got the end, and let them get a few minutes, go back and forth.

01:31:59.720 --> 01:32:01.382
[SPEAKER_00]: That could be a lot of fun, but,

01:32:01.362 --> 01:32:10.220
[SPEAKER_00]: with Yano and yo as champions, I expect a lot of funny ha ha and you know, tape and you know, spray bottles and all that kind of stuff.

01:32:10.320 --> 01:32:14.028
[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm sure you know, 20 of the House of Tourter teams will be in here as well.

01:32:14.088 --> 01:32:19.499
[SPEAKER_00]: And so we'll have a lot of rinsures and pipes and you know, push up bars.

01:32:20.080 --> 01:32:21.683
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I'm not expecting much of this one.

01:32:21.916 --> 01:32:24.880
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah and yo was just on comedy the last two wrestle kingdoms.

01:32:24.920 --> 01:32:28.786
[SPEAKER_03]: There was one where he literally just laid on the ropes for half of the Rambo.

01:32:30.148 --> 01:32:36.097
[SPEAKER_03]: He was kind of draped across one of the turnbook is a stay there for like 10 minutes without moving last year.

01:32:36.157 --> 01:32:41.204
[SPEAKER_03]: He was dressed as one of the keg, the beer girls, and going around through the crowd.

01:32:41.244 --> 01:32:42.887
[SPEAKER_03]: So at least he's on the show this time.

01:32:43.027 --> 01:32:45.470
[SPEAKER_03]: But that's kind of the level we're looking at on this.

01:32:45.711 --> 01:32:50.117
[SPEAKER_03]: And yeah, it's just a whole strange thing here.

01:32:51.616 --> 01:32:59.707
[SPEAKER_03]: It's, it's a bunch of people, but nobody can truly, can truly stand out.

01:33:01.509 --> 01:33:04.934
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, this is the quintessential get all the guys on the cart, right?

01:33:05.595 --> 01:33:13.986
[SPEAKER_02]: And it was even built with comedy in mind, which, oh, it, uh, you're doing the shit in and through the BIOS, you're like coming out, right?

01:33:14.046 --> 01:33:14.287
[SPEAKER_02]: All right.

01:33:14.307 --> 01:33:16.369
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, Juan, we'll do the match.

01:33:16.810 --> 01:33:19.834
[SPEAKER_02]: And everything about it,

01:33:20.489 --> 01:33:31.340
[SPEAKER_02]: Second rate like they haven't even built it like, oh, this is a really big deal, you know, winning the never openly expand titles like you've Kind of haven't even been on the show for like a lot of 40 years.

01:33:31.781 --> 01:33:34.228
[SPEAKER_02]: So now that now we're now we're doing this.

01:33:34.529 --> 01:33:44.061
[SPEAKER_02]: It's fine, maybe a fresh team will win the titles and maybe the guy who gets the pin come out and challenges for the IWGP at New Year Dash or something like that.

01:33:44.121 --> 01:33:54.914
[SPEAKER_02]: But all that just feels like, yeah, we're sorry, you don't have a more high profile match, you showed a Zach all these guys, but we're gonna play you here.

01:33:54.934 --> 01:33:57.617
[SPEAKER_02]: And it's just like, no, no, man.

01:33:57.597 --> 01:34:03.627
[SPEAKER_02]: It feels like these guys were grinding all throughout the year, the equal to the guys that were up and down the card.

01:34:04.508 --> 01:34:19.572
[SPEAKER_02]: And that's the part of it that really doesn't sit right with me is that Shota, you guys that go to all of these guys, including as well as Tanaashi, there are what drew the house it's this year.

01:34:20.092 --> 01:34:25.401
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, it's it's a curious thing because it's it's a three and a half match card, you know, really.

01:34:25.481 --> 01:34:34.316
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, it's the the retirement match, the world title match, the Joe team match, and then Wolf and evil.

01:34:34.556 --> 01:34:40.286
[SPEAKER_03]: And to me, the, you know, the 10 man tag is just a delivery device for whoever X and X is and then it's a thing to do.

01:34:41.027 --> 01:34:43.551
[SPEAKER_03]: The Rambo we've already mentioned, no one's going to stand out.

01:34:44.257 --> 01:34:46.039
[SPEAKER_03]: So it's a three and a half match card.

01:34:46.259 --> 01:34:52.545
[SPEAKER_03]: And of the people in those three and a half matches, only Yoda sushi, evil, and Aaron Wolfe for full timers.

01:34:53.326 --> 01:35:08.741
[SPEAKER_03]: And once again, the message from New Japan is that the people we are asking you to pay the money to see aren't important enough to have announced matches on the biggest show of the year, including the previous two world champions, both members of the main event match from last year.

01:35:09.601 --> 01:35:13.285
[SPEAKER_03]: And they can shuffle around the matches all they want.

01:35:13.906 --> 01:35:16.011
[SPEAKER_03]: From attendance this year, no one is over.

01:35:16.472 --> 01:35:21.683
[SPEAKER_03]: And when they kneecap everybody that comes within a whisper of a hot streak, it just doesn't matter who's in what factions.

01:35:21.744 --> 01:35:23.728
[SPEAKER_03]: So maybe a turn will draw some curiosity.

01:35:24.209 --> 01:35:31.746
[SPEAKER_03]: But if they don't make some new stars, I think 2026 is just gonna be a very challenging year for New Japan.

01:35:32.975 --> 01:35:34.037
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, absolutely agree.

01:35:34.057 --> 01:35:36.621
[SPEAKER_00]: And I think that's why it's so important for CG to win.

01:35:36.641 --> 01:35:40.828
[SPEAKER_00]: And I think it's important for them to establish a challenger, for him that night.

01:35:40.989 --> 01:35:44.795
[SPEAKER_00]: And also him and Lomora have this long going rivalry in history.

01:35:44.835 --> 01:35:50.285
[SPEAKER_00]: And there's this whole thing of, you know, uminone or more, I kind of wanted to take the lead of Han Thai from Tanahashi.

01:35:50.305 --> 01:35:55.253
[SPEAKER_00]: So I think saying those two guys up as like the first two challengers for him and kind of

01:35:55.233 --> 01:35:59.980
[SPEAKER_00]: laying that crowd, no, all right, here are our three guys, here's the generational robberies.

01:36:00.000 --> 01:36:09.533
[SPEAKER_00]: This is who we're gonna be pushing this year and kind of establishing that and having, you know, Lumaura and Uminobis, the first two-chounders, I think would be the best move to go with.

01:36:11.255 --> 01:36:12.317
[SPEAKER_03]: Cherry, find some, your thoughts.

01:36:14.239 --> 01:36:16.903
[SPEAKER_02]: I pretty have to agree with all you got, all of it.

01:36:17.744 --> 01:36:29.239
[SPEAKER_02]: I think 20.26 is going to be a challenge and hopefully they don't shoot them themselves in the foot at the end of 2025 and put them in fact in the best position to succeed.

01:36:29.894 --> 01:36:37.250
[SPEAKER_02]: Russell Kingdom is going to have the most eyeballs that this product had in a very very long time.

01:36:37.711 --> 01:36:50.518
[SPEAKER_02]: And I am exceptionally frustrated that the things that they have chosen to highlight do not feel like they're going to be the sustainable things in the long term that are going to get audiences to continue to watch the product.

01:36:51.595 --> 01:36:55.940
[SPEAKER_03]: There you go, and just as a little closing thugs, we're running a little bit over here.

01:36:55.960 --> 01:36:57.762
[SPEAKER_03]: Not terribly, we got through that all right, I think.

01:36:58.282 --> 01:37:02.727
[SPEAKER_03]: But you guys are going to have your first experience in the Tokyo Dome in a couple of weeks.

01:37:03.067 --> 01:37:09.675
[SPEAKER_03]: And I want you to encourage you to do something is just, and you're going to have time because we'll get there nice and early and all that.

01:37:09.715 --> 01:37:12.538
[SPEAKER_03]: But just take your time and save for that you're there.

01:37:12.878 --> 01:37:13.719
[SPEAKER_03]: Just look around.

01:37:14.720 --> 01:37:17.423
[SPEAKER_03]: I was there last year when it was half full, maybe not even that.

01:37:17.863 --> 01:37:20.286
[SPEAKER_03]: And certainly not that for Russell Dynasty.

01:37:20.789 --> 01:37:49.092
[SPEAKER_03]: there is a very real or a in that building where you realize the so many historic things have taken place right there and you're going to be at wrestle friggin kingdom and whether this turns out to be the greatest one of all time or not just the fact that you're there it's going to feel very very special just encourage you guys to take a moment and and save that do the same thing when you're in court can haul because both of those rooms they're only about a

01:37:50.371 --> 01:38:05.068
[SPEAKER_03]: Anyone that's ever been anything in pro wrestling in Japan has worked in those buildings and and you're on you're on real hollow ground and you just think about all those years you watched Nakamura and primo kata and primetime has she and things you're there.

01:38:05.709 --> 01:38:17.442
[SPEAKER_03]: That's where those people apply their trade and that's where they had those classics so Save for that moment because it's going to hit you like a ton of bricks at some point where you're just like I am in Tokyo dome for wrestling and it

01:38:17.422 --> 01:38:20.567
[SPEAKER_03]: When I went down there, I was with a lot of foreigners in the bag.

01:38:20.587 --> 01:38:23.492
[SPEAKER_03]: You guys probably will be too, and we were all doing it.

01:38:23.512 --> 01:38:25.615
[SPEAKER_03]: We're all looking at each other just like I can't believe I'm here.

01:38:26.076 --> 01:38:30.524
[SPEAKER_03]: It's best feeling, and I'm really excited that you guys are going to get to feel that just a little bit.

01:38:31.445 --> 01:38:37.675
[SPEAKER_02]: Jeremy, I'm so thankful that you came on today, and I hope that we can get together again.

01:38:37.695 --> 01:38:43.024
[SPEAKER_02]: And next time, we get to Jeff Gell, bomb a clad at each other.

01:38:44.236 --> 01:38:49.185
[SPEAKER_02]: Because that could I really wanted to do on this show, but we didn't get that yet.

01:38:49.205 --> 01:38:53.513
[SPEAKER_02]: So that's that's not a pairing goal for the next time we all do that.

01:38:54.455 --> 01:38:54.676
[SPEAKER_02]: No.

01:38:55.297 --> 01:38:56.639
[SPEAKER_02]: You got to say something for the rematch.

01:38:57.080 --> 01:38:57.601
[SPEAKER_02]: That's the one.

01:38:57.621 --> 01:38:58.423
[SPEAKER_02]: That's the one.

01:38:58.783 --> 01:39:07.780
[SPEAKER_02]: Why don't you go ahead and give a give out whatever last plug that you want to give out for keeping it strong sound, social clupa network, everything that you got and we're going to get out of here.

01:39:07.945 --> 01:39:30.409
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01:39:30.389 --> 01:39:32.412
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01:39:32.432 --> 01:39:35.077
[SPEAKER_00]: That's how you can also get access to some of the video content.

01:39:35.097 --> 01:39:42.209
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01:39:42.229 --> 01:39:48.499
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01:39:48.631 --> 01:39:52.985
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01:39:53.025 --> 01:39:55.253
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01:39:55.714 --> 01:39:59.567
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01:39:59.948 --> 01:40:01.172
[SPEAKER_02]: Did I get it right on the screen?

01:40:01.338 --> 01:40:02.199
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, you got it right.

01:40:02.239 --> 01:40:08.346
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, patreon.com slash k i strong style our year end awards are going to be dropping pretty soon.

01:40:08.447 --> 01:40:14.634
[SPEAKER_00]: So, uh, every time we've been doing this, we've been doing a year in a war to select be our ninth annual year in the award.

01:40:14.694 --> 01:40:19.560
[SPEAKER_00]: So, being looked out for that ballot tons of great categories and nominees to vote on.

01:40:19.600 --> 01:40:24.325
[SPEAKER_00]: It's all with a lot of fun seeing how the fan base votes on the year of New Japan.

01:40:25.347 --> 01:40:25.607
[SPEAKER_03]: All right.

01:40:25.847 --> 01:40:26.828
[SPEAKER_03]: Thank you so much for joining us.

01:40:26.869 --> 01:40:27.509
[SPEAKER_03]: Really enjoyed this.

01:40:27.549 --> 01:40:28.871
[SPEAKER_03]: This is a blast.

01:40:28.891 --> 01:40:29.051
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

01:40:29.071 --> 01:40:29.792
[SPEAKER_00]: Thanks for having us.

01:40:30.329 --> 01:40:30.609
[SPEAKER_02]: All right.

01:40:30.629 --> 01:40:31.551
[SPEAKER_02]: We're going to get out of here.

01:40:31.952 --> 01:40:33.354
[SPEAKER_02]: Happy holidays, everybody.

01:40:33.474 --> 01:40:35.818
[SPEAKER_02]: We will not be back with a live episode next week.

01:40:35.838 --> 01:40:40.285
[SPEAKER_02]: We may have some pre-recorded content depending on if my friends are able to come through for me.

01:40:40.886 --> 01:40:43.270
[SPEAKER_02]: But we want back to be live on the second.

01:40:43.450 --> 01:40:44.692
[SPEAKER_02]: I will be from Japan.

01:40:45.112 --> 01:40:50.100
[SPEAKER_02]: Steve, it will be at home and we'll catch you up on everything that's happened up to that point.

01:40:50.321 --> 01:40:51.763
[SPEAKER_02]: So, Steven, take it away.

01:40:51.743 --> 01:40:55.629
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, and we will have a pre-recorded show next week whether there's still shows talk.

01:40:55.669 --> 01:40:58.593
[SPEAKER_03]: We'll talk about those town of Hashimoto's Christmas Coral and all that kind of stuff.

01:40:58.613 --> 01:41:02.179
[SPEAKER_03]: So there will be content next week right here where you would expect it.

01:41:02.199 --> 01:41:05.263
[SPEAKER_03]: So with that in mind, I want to thank everybody who joined us here live.

01:41:05.343 --> 01:41:07.366
[SPEAKER_03]: Everybody who listens later as a podcast.

01:41:07.406 --> 01:41:09.870
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01:41:09.850 --> 01:41:11.614
[SPEAKER_03]: We know you have a lot of choices out there.

01:41:11.654 --> 01:41:16.366
[SPEAKER_03]: We are very thankful that you've decided to spend some of your time with us, especially in the busy holiday season.

01:41:16.426 --> 01:41:23.623
[SPEAKER_03]: So for the Jeremy's and Josh, I'm Stephen Conrad, this has been speaking of strong style and we'll talk to you again real soon.