World Tag League Night 1: House of Torture PURGE! | Speaking of Strong Style

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[SPEAKER_00]: I am back from Vegas, a world tag league has begun.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And it's off to a strong start with an interesting and entertaining show from Corican Hall today.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We're going to look at that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We'll also look at the House of Torture Perge event from yesterday.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It was different.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I'll look ahead toward a very busy week of tag to action.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So let's get started, whichever you find stone.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm Stephen Conway.

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[SPEAKER_00]: This is Speaking of Strong Style.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Welcome everyone to Speaking of Strong Style where we discuss the new issues and events around the New Japan pro wrestling.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm Stephen Conway, Jeremy Feinstein, we're both contributed to the fight game media network.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm glad to be back.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I was often big at last week, so I got to hang around Las Vegas and see all the lights and things.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Although, Jeremy, it is now a real thing for me.

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[SPEAKER_00]: According to my records anyway, five of the last seven times I visited Las Vegas, it has rained in the desert climate of Vegas.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So they're thinking about offering to have me come out, not to gamble, but just to end droughts and things like that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think I'm a whale and that I actually bring water with me instead of the gambling income.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So you're a rainman, but not like the dust and Hoffman kind.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, not the kind that makes money.

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[SPEAKER_00]: No, yeah, no, not that kind, but the kind that I actually bring right and can you believe that that's a strange thing five out of the last seven times it has rained while I've been in Los Angeles, I mean, I think it's rained every time I bought a car.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I bought a car last week, Stephen.

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[SPEAKER_00]: All right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I heard about that a little bit.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I do want to say before we go anywhere, big thanks to Paul Fontaine for filling in for me last week.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you was great.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, he did really well.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And of course he did.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, he knows he hosted Dynamo Show.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He does his show with Gary Gonzalez, and the guys everywhere.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So how will we all trade?

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[SPEAKER_00]: But we really appreciate that and it was nice to know that the show was in good hands with the two of you.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And yeah, you know, I was I was very busy.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, I was over there saw a lot of shows saw pen and teller again.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I started to so lay a little bit of that out there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Good time.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Good time.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Also trying to catch up on Goddess Tag League now that I'm back home and sure, and catching up on all my shows right thing and traveling, uh, intercontinent to leave between two promotion, like a crazy person, making everyone else look bad.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, well, you know, both she and Ocada, I guess, what did the Japan quick appearance back to the United States, quick appearance, that type of stuff, like not a lot of time outside of arenas and airplanes for those two.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They have very scheduled, but Megan Bane, yeah, working real hard, I guess she did that to, she did the blood and guts of match, if you want to call it that, and then whatever that was.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You had before the blood and guts, yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then she went back to Japan.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then I actually come in back for the full gear paper view, and I think then she has to go back to Japan.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And Nick Reeves is a series of how many friends hope we all survive per night.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So far so good.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So far so good.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And this is the other thing that everybody survived per night to be honest.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I managed through per night.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I am unafiliated officially.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I've got my new shirts.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I got this from the

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[SPEAKER_00]: I had a $30 gift card from the token of shop.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I got I have knowing that unaffiliated who knows how long it's going to last or anything, but I wanted to get the unaffiliated shop from 20th even because, you know, the rock back in like April put on this whole new Japan shirt.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I figured I just returned the favor and put on a shirt about the rock and really just add intrigue to everything that we talk about today.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, your social media presence is obviously every bit actually ubiquitous as the rocks.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I think this makes it absolutely even.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not even sure people know my Twitter.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Do you know what it is?

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's a question.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, I do, but it's so boring.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It just did clot.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I will say, everyone dismissed perj knight.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And we will get to perj knight eventually, but you shouldn't dismiss perj knight.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, well, we are going to talk about parish tonight.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We're going to talk about week night one night one.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It is week one, but it's also night one of world tag league.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That was earlier today.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And, you know, that's the kind of stuff that we're going to go over because as we head toward the big Tokyo dome show and, of course, I take the week off the main, the night the main event is announced.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But as we head toward the dome, a lot of what we're seeing per night world tag league.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We're starting to.

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[SPEAKER_00]: narrow the gap the gaps in here.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There's some things that there are holes in this card.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We don't know the whole card.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Now we're starting to see a few pathways cut off a couple other pathways open up some things becoming a little more obvious.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I think we're going to get a lot of definition as to that restful kingdom card over the next couple of weeks.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I'm watching everything intently and in fact we had.

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[SPEAKER_00]: the announcement of a match just not the participants just today.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So we know one more thing about wrestling them today than we did yesterday.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, that cut we kicked off the show, but I threw that theory out to Paul Fontaine about how this world tag we was gonna end up and it would be an elimination match at a wrestling kingdom.

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[SPEAKER_01]: What were your thoughts about that when you were that?

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[SPEAKER_00]: There are a lot of people that don't even have a hint of what they're doing at Kingdom yet, which leaves me to believe there are going to be some multi-person matches involved.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We already know contenders match and the junior heavyweight division.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Doki's, I got to feel like Doki is going to be on this card somewhere.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I got a hero move is going to be on this card somewhere.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There's a hero, he'll take very seriously.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Zack Saber Jr. doesn't have a thing to do yet and doesn't even really have a direction to point in as of yet.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's going to be on the card no question.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He was the World Heavyweight Champion.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He may have ended last year.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They're not going to leave him off.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And he's not just going to be in the Rambo, I don't think.

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[SPEAKER_00]: a lot coming and perhaps something in terms of a gauntlet, perhaps something in terms of a four corners match, I just feel like we're going to get some of these matches that are going to be the morale builders, the one where everybody gets the Russell Kingdom paycheck match.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Then we have the latter match last year, which got eight guys in, and I feel like something like that is coming.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We mentioned, showed an Umano and you,

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[SPEAKER_00]: don't have anything, I personally have been trying to will turn in there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So if they're wrestling each other in a grudge match, which I think would be entertaining, might not be might not be their mindset on that, perhaps something with four tag teams in it or something like that, just to get a whole bunch of people in there because right now there's an awful lot of prominent names with nothing to do in January 4th and that's not going to remain the case.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So you and I, I'm going to, I'm going to diverge, but it'll all bring it back.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You and I did a re-want.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I think Russell kingdom 11 with Kenny Omega and Ocada in the main event.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Earlier the year with Gary Congol in into space into that rematch that they were going to have an AEW.

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[SPEAKER_01]: One of the

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[SPEAKER_01]: openweight title, go at where they basically got like 18 guys on the show.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, running through this thing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And given the way that, uh, yo, um, I will say advocated for himself for a title for these, I feel like the karma to that is, all right, we'll give you a match.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And so we'll get into that whole scenario.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but it does feel like

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[SPEAKER_01]: we've got 10 people on the card with a roster of like 40 to 50.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So we're we're going to have to start escalating this here and between three multi-man matches, you can get 8 and 1, you can get 18 and another and you could do a rambles if you wanted.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Right now, right now there are five things announced for rest looking to five things officially announced and there will be another one that was brought up today, just like you said, don't know who's in it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So, Tana Hashie versus Okada, we know that I went crazy when I heard the coin drop, of course, there was Okada and electric rate job with it in his hometown on his birthday and the fans were ecstatic to see him live and people were very excited about this match.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think you and Paul did a pretty good job litigating the whole Nakamura issue and all that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Bottom line is this show with Tana Hashian Ocata and Zeldikot.

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[SPEAKER_00]: On top, yeah, I mean, it's fine.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It has worked.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They have done their job.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They have sold the order and then worked.

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[SPEAKER_00]: In its configuration, they're going to add some outfield seats.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They're going to add some other, they send seats and other spots.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They're going to cram everybody they can and they should.

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[SPEAKER_00]: When I was there last year, there were large gaps.

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[SPEAKER_00]: of empty outfield because just it's a long way away from the rain, you're on the same surf spot is the rain.

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[SPEAKER_00]: A lot of people between you and there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They aren't great seats.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Hey, if this thing is selling out go ahead and rent some shares and slap them out there and see if people will look over 30 rows of people.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They probably will for this one and they still have.

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[SPEAKER_00]: those outfield bleach receipts that they can open up that usually remain covered because they don't have to worry about selling up.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Different story this year.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, Kata and Tana Hashie have done the job that that's done the trick.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And that's great.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Whatever the politics were regarding the Nakamura thing, the good news for New Japan is they don't have to worry about it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's not amazing how money they made the money up.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And it also takes a lot of pressure off town of Hoshie.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He can essentially do whatever he wants between now and the Tokyo dome.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And they can't argue that, well, that isn't a good idea because it might take attention away from the dome.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Mission accomplished.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Don't sold out.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You can do whatever you want now.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So keep that in mind for that Noah show on the first.

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[SPEAKER_00]: All I'm saying.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Now, with all that else going on,

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[SPEAKER_00]: We have that one.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We have the world title and global title match.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We know about that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's to catch that and that's Yota Suji.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We know Aaron Wolfe against his trainer evil.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We know sure he versus Siyah Kamatani.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's another double championship match.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We have the number one contenders for way match.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Desperado Fujita Ishimori and show.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I have a feeling there's going to be something more to that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Whether that means that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, dokey wrestles the winner right after so that I just feel like something's going to just having a number one contender, Sportway match in the middle of this car just feels off.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I feel like there's an angle that might come out of that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Let me also if you get if you get water and yell on the never open weight like

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[SPEAKER_01]: match.

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[SPEAKER_01]: There's not a whole lot of other, uh, don't want to their junior that are absolutely crucial to be in Reckled Kingdom, which has to grow a little dokey.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and they might have a singles match later, although they need some kind of angle to get going to set that thing up.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I don't know how they're going to get there, uh, just because dokey's not even in this thing to to pin them to go in, although they could do that, maybe on finals, and I will get to all that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Beyond that, we now know that Yo came out to the ring before the show even started when they were still doing the announcements, both in Japanese and English about Please do not touch the wrestlers.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Please, you know, careful with your flash photography, all that kind of stuff.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And did a sit-in where he got a chant going for himself with the help of my story, Acida and Aaron Wolfe who was a bit shipper today and was a little more involved, a little more young lion like than he has been in the past.

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[SPEAKER_00]: had a couple of moments today.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And after that, they, the young lions physically rolled him out of the ring and carried him off so that we could start the show.

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[SPEAKER_00]: After the show, we came back out, so that we can do this.

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[SPEAKER_00]: As they were taking the ring down, he refused to leave.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He said he wanted a Chairman Strigabashy out and got both Yasada and Matsumoto to big with him, which was pretty funny, it was pretty entertaining, definitely worth going back to check that out.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And as Strigabashy eventually said, okay, fine, you can have a match at the Tokyo dump.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So something involving the never open weight trio's matches will be taking place.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I got to say that Yo has gone now from being dressed up as one of the the beer girls, which he did last year, with full makeup and full drag with the the cake on his backs selling beer in the stands.

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[SPEAKER_00]: As they do in the Tokyo Dome and Japanese baseball all together, it's the Tokyo Dome is a course first and foremost, the home of the Yomi Yuri Giants.

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[SPEAKER_00]: To being on the show and having a

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[SPEAKER_00]: six matches now.

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[SPEAKER_00]: A lot more to go and a lot of very important guys to get on this card.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So the next couple of weeks are going to be crucial in sewing all that up.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I feel like they got to get through World Tag League and then they have to like tie up all the loose ends of whatever that is going to be.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then, you know,

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[SPEAKER_01]: The finals of World Tag week.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Now, all hell is going to break loose and all of these other things are going to kind of fall into play.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then we're going to kind of have our little hibernation clash road to wrestling kingdom, but a goal all from there, you know, yeah, a cum a 40 day to cum a moto on the 14th, the finals of the tag league tournament seems like it could be a big night just because after that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There's Friday, December 19th, and Gunma, which is one of those just one of those big barns that they go to.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Then Turchigi, the like you, that's not a big, it's a house show of it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then Christmas Corican on Monday, December 22nd.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And that's about it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So really, December 14th, December 22nd.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I would say it would be the only shows after tag.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We block play is over with.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, I agree with you.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So that's why I'm looking more toward the tag league finals night as a night when a lot of things could be announced or happen.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That can steer us more toward there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And you could do a thing, perhaps, where

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[SPEAKER_00]: Haromo and Finlay don't win World Tag League so they're on the card on the final night Maybe that's when Haromo could pin Doki if they were going to go that direction because Doki could be in a multi-man match underneath and they could do something to get him on the card They're they're angles to be done in that direction, so I would keep a close eye on December 14th for sure It just feels like the right time to make some moves.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think December 18th about when we should do our

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[SPEAKER_01]: are restful kingdom full on preview and we're working on getting some gifts for that show.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But like the 25th is Christmas.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Do you and I are not going live on Christmas?

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not going to be in Japan for for the show in the second.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So

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[SPEAKER_01]: And we'll be doing things back here too and we'll be on we'll try to get you on the phone from Japan similar to what we're the last year like the team to go to you know like yeah after perpetual like video for the preview for us to just like this is what we think here you go and that's coming a faster than it seems like wild man like from October on.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's just been, like, outspeed for my life.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's just been one thing after another.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I can't believe that we can send to giving.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I have, well, what is going on here?

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[SPEAKER_01]: And, yeah, life has just been really dizzy.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And we're all tagged, we just started today.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, it's just one of those, we weren't watching a whole lot of New Japan over the last couple of weeks because there wasn't anything going on, but now it's just like, okay, time to time to quit the schedule, we got some wrestling to watch every day.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and of course, got us tagly going on with stargamer right there has been strong as well and very busy and other tight schedule there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So for that, as I said, I'm enjoying tagly very much so far me to I got to say this is a good day today.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean, you got pretty much everything that you expect it out of the four matches.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I skipped one of the pre pre win matches, but I got through most of it, and it was like I figured I didn't miss much on that one.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But, uh,

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to throw the cheap plug in here in addition to all that stuff I am doing the AEW full gear recap for a fight game media on Saturday night after the after the show with Kila Cash.

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[SPEAKER_01]: She is going to join me for that show and if you know when we get together.

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[SPEAKER_01]: we're a little spicy.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We can get a little sassy.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And if AEW is the focus of our roast, it should be fun time for all.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I invite you all to join us for the live full-year recap on Saturday night.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And yeah, let's talk about the newspan.

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[SPEAKER_00]: All right, and with that in mind, let's get to World Tag League night one.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And oh, Maria, grassy Ellis, science is here.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Hi, I'm glad you're here to want to make sure we just want to say Colin, if you're out there, hope you're doing okay, man, we haven't joined us live in a few weeks.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I hope Colin's doing well.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He was a regular with us, and we haven't seen him for a few weeks.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I was doing a push you out, Colin.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, we definitely do.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Korkin Hall, though, was sold out, 1,498, Jeremy.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It seems like the rest of Kingdom Momentum is firmly with New Japan right now.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And this happens this time of year, we talked about how sluggish things were during Junior Tag League, both creatively and attendance-wise.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But today, Korkin Hall, a pretty enthusiastic group of people that feel

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[SPEAKER_00]: like Russell Kingdom season is upon us and they seem fired up about it just like the ticket sales in the dome itself, but had no trouble filling Corrican Hall on a weekday today, which was encouraging I thought.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean, we're going to be always so out to Nutspan having cork and hold a click.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Hey, and I like the slot machine themed opening videos, like they knew I had been in Vegas or something.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I like to they opened up with that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I just saw, look at that, they were thinking of me.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And they brought all the money they've made.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that this has to be such a morale boost to come into a full and enthusiastic corticone knowing you're about to come into a full and this has to come into a heart.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And yeah, there's everything energy about kind of like, yeah, you're time to watch a new Japan, everyone was kind of like in on like Tana Hashie being there and it's like everybody's rallying in the show and you're right now.

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[SPEAKER_00]: After that dot of the junior tag league everybody's just kind of rallying we're going to win a new Japan into it and it seemed to work a lot of the people out there that have been in second year for a few months were I would say up to third and fourth today.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I thought it was just a better energy in the building.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So.

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[SPEAKER_00]: uh we we mentioned the yo sit-in and then we had uh the preview tag so the first one was Rennerita and Sonata the team in world tag league team with the Oceanobu kind of maro against monster sauce Alexander Zane and Lance Archer Zane J was their partner in this one very quick

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[SPEAKER_00]: And but most of the fans were happy to see Lance Archer again.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They pop for his water bottle.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He doesn't spit it at the people anymore.

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[SPEAKER_00]: COVID put the Kabaasha on that, but he did spit it up in the air.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But the water bottle with Lance Archer always gets a pop with the crowd these days.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And he forearmed Aaron Wolfe as he went around the ring.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Of course, it's not unusual at all for him to quabber young lions.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But I think that might be the first time Aaron Wolfe's really taken anything but that Chercia.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: he's starting to become more of a press, you know, like he's not just someone in the crowd, like they're they're putting the camera on him.

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[SPEAKER_01]: If he's out in the crowd, he'll call the send like, don't make sure that you see Aaron Wolfe participating with what's going on.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And even if it's young lion stuff where you would just do in the the channel along and whatnot, it's one of those, wow, they're really, they're making sure the Aaron Wolfe, you know, the Aaron Wolfe part of

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[SPEAKER_00]: We hit Chris Charlton on commentary, Alex Zane joined him later after a couple of matches out there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But Zane came for this one and he and Zane J worked most of this match for their team.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Archer just kind of...

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[SPEAKER_00]: did comedy bits where he would just know sell everything.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The traditional new Japan thing where you just knock the other guys off the apron while you're the legal man.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He would just know sell that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He would, you know, threaten to come in the ring and they would be scared of him.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Finally, they got a bit of a bump on Archer when he stepped over the top rope and sent out a kick the top rope, thus kind of crashing him a little bit.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But he did not sell much.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The whole idea was,

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[SPEAKER_00]: old the murder hawk monster's back type of thing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But he also didn't do much in the ring offensively either.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They kind of introduced him and then let you wonder what it was going to be like once he finally got in there, which was fine, Zayn and Jay, Zayn, Jay and Zayn worked the whole match.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He was fine very quick again and in the Ann House torture ended up beating Zayn, Jay as you would imagine Renner Rita with the Boston crab, it was fine.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean, this was all just kind of like get you ready for the domain show kind of thing and these are all getting you ready for Saturday.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think it's the people walk it's right people walk first night.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So, you know, we've all been through this before.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Prelim for the next match on the card.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Vice versa, vice versa, and.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I was watching, but I was more just kind of listening to Charlton for the majority of this because I felt like he was really engaged.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and he's really pushing the narratives with each wrestler and you get an idea of the story lines Chris is the best guy there for getting those points across and a little character notes right and he was good tonight with that just kind of pointing out each thing you needed to know about each guy and where they are going into this term.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, he wasn't on calm when Yo started and did his sit in.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So when the show started and Tana Hashi was talking about the sell out and and everything like that, he was giving a lot of context about taking it going on sale and it just felt like this info dump and it just felt like

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[SPEAKER_01]: Even for that first 10 or 15 minute to this show, it just felt like New Japan felt hot, like there was a lot going on and like there were things in motion and you just kind of felt like, you know what I mean, like it just wasn't boring.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, I think this is probably as good as Morales been in many, many months.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, just they haven't had a lot of good news.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They have not had much good news at all.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And selling out the dome, packed all here.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think it just made everybody put a little extra pep in their stuff, including the, including Tana Hashi, including a lot of the wrestlers on this show.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And there was a positive energy.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And we haven't seen a lot of positive,

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[SPEAKER_00]: energy from fans from the wrestlers in quite a long time.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So this was refreshing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Nick Reeves mentioned, I skip under card tags during most tournament shows, but Coracone shows are always a must-watch for start to finish for me the most magical venue in wrestling.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I can attest to that and I've been there a bunch of times and what also helps Coracone more than any other building I have been in.

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[SPEAKER_00]: it is just a cold run of sound.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's like the sound has nowhere to go.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It has a fairly decent size ceiling.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's not like the ceiling is the right on top of your head.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But the noise goes nowhere.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It just sits down in the ring.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And because it's not a big hall, the reactions are immediate and loud.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The dome, Jeremy, you're going to find it's a different thing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: When something big happens in the dome, there's almost like a second before the sound from the stands hits the ring.

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[SPEAKER_00]: When you're at a stadium show,

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[SPEAKER_00]: And it's very cool, and you're going to be right by the ring, you're not going to be in the middle of 45,000 people.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But the opposite is true in Corkin, where everything is immediate.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You can be sitting in the back row, something big happens in its boom right away.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So it's a building that also is a self-perfilling prophecy.

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[SPEAKER_00]: If you make a lot of noise, it's loud.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The sound doesn't drift away.

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[SPEAKER_00]: a sense of immediacy and a sense of excitement while you're sitting in there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so Corrican is a very special place.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It was built for boxing in the Olympics.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That was the idea for it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So that was the design and it just so happened that because wrestling is also in a ring and also due to its location and where the buildings built right off of some very important lines and then that touristy area

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[SPEAKER_00]: It has made itself indispensable, I think, to the Japanese wrestling industry as a whole, but everybody runs there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And whether it's something for some people, it's their big shows.

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[SPEAKER_00]: For New Japan, it's their, you know, smaller, but important shows, but no one takes courtic and hall lightly.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Nobody.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I got to say, I don't have a show that to go there yet.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Find one.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But I got to find a show and just go.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Everyone's gonna be there that week.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There will be up to two shows a day in that building while you're there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, the biggest one is probably on the fourth itself.

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[SPEAKER_00]: TJPW has their biggest show of the year.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that was a lot of fun.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's wackado, it's TJPW, but all Japan usually runs it in there, you'll find something if you want to.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so I'm going to the Noah show on the first because I'll get there on the 30th.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I have to show take a possibly go to before New Year's and then I got, I got to do the show with you on the second and then I have like the New Japan podcast thing at Toriana for extra on on the second on the day of the second so from the night of the second and all of the third I think I'm relatively free

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[SPEAKER_01]: But I think there's something that I've committed to on the fourth that I can't really talk about just yet.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But I'm not sure if I'm going to be able to go to the Tokyo Joshi Tokyo Joshi show that day because I don't know any detail, other than yeah, I'll come to the thing and let's hash it out and you know, when I know more, I'll tell you

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[SPEAKER_00]: I've got it here.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so let's see.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, start them as in Cork and Hall on the third.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Great, there you go.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There's one.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There's a bunch of stuff there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: On what Saturday the fifth, I think someone's going to be there, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Let me see.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, there's a lot of stuff on it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Saturday to the third.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Monday to the fifth.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, well, there you go.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You'll get to it, but there's there's a look.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's figured out.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think it's going to be well with your time to find a show.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Let me get to I'm pulling up the.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I do dirty stuff in Japan, too.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I got to check out.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Man more than, you know, find a cool Japanese toy that I can only buy in Japan, you know, I kind of, I kind of stuff.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, and also by the way,

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[SPEAKER_00]: they'll come to you if you want a little bit of history though because you're going to boot a con hall for that Noah show right in parial palace right there and it's on the ground yep yep that's what I saw so oh yeah anyway okay we're getting sidetracked but we're very excited folks if you can't tell Jeremy's fired up about his trip I'm fired up for Jeremy forgetting to go find Joe like yeah well I've been there twice the rest of you never radio about me go go like why talk

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[SPEAKER_00]: They never mention me.

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[SPEAKER_00]: No one ever mentions me.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Everyone's all excited to see Johnny.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You're not here.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They're over there doing meetups.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They're over there talking about meetups of Jeremy and a whole bunch of other people.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I went over there and nobody would hang out with me.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That was it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We love you.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: All right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: After that, we had TMDK Hartley Jackson, Real Hail Wewa and Zach Saber Jr.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Remember him used to be champion.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I guess the United Empire, Calvin Newman, Great O'Con, and Jacob Austin at the young.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Chris Charlton gave us a little bit of character work in this one.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You mentioned that United Empire might split up if they aren't successful.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So to me, this makes Callum Newman and Great O'Con, one of those tag teams, similar to

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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, you know, and we're more in the sense that I think they are either going to be very successful or wildly unsuccessful in this tournament, depending on the story they want to tell about whether these people stay together, stay friends, stay unit.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So this could either be united empire coming together and deciding, no, no, we're not done yet.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We're going to unite under.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Call of Newman and his new attitude, or Newman's gonna say screw these losers them out.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And it could really go either way at this point here.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Newman was very aggressive with the E-Wat, because O-E-Wat was in the ring with him, when he had his knee injury in the first place, Chris was smart to point that out to us as well.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Great, great.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Newman's heel attitude is the main point of this one, but in the end, O-E-Wat hit a reverse crab.

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[SPEAKER_00]: A reverse half crab, okay, and kind of a new way to put on a crab, that I haven't seen in a while, put it on Jacob Austin, young, of course, young there to do the job.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Also Chris was careful to note is he's helping us all out holding our hands through this whole angle.

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[SPEAKER_00]: United Empire all left separately.

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[SPEAKER_00]: O'Con pretty much rolled out of the ring and vamoosed immediately after the bell within a few seconds anyway.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Newman stalked off by himself and just left Jacob Austin young to be helped back by the young line.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So the United Empire is certainly struggling at this point.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Did they are not a United Empire whatsoever?

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[SPEAKER_01]: No, what's going to take for people to take Callum Newman seriously as a top level heal?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Because I don't, like, I think they're promised there, but they have to get behind him and, like, so far, I'm just, I'm a jerk.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, but I mean, I think this is just a very beginning of whatever they're going to do with them.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We mentioned this a while back.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think his big moment is going to be at WrestleCain.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Do I think that perhaps new beginning could be a little more literal for a lot of the people in the United Empire that I think that's when things are going to kick off.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They have.

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[SPEAKER_00]: stories in mind to finish up this year.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But this whole thing from Newman and what's going on with the United Empire, I feel like is going to be a focus as we turn the calendar over.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And we move off of that, because in a lot of ways, Russell came in a bit of the season finale, so to speak, and then he started rebuilding things.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And he could absolutely be a big part of that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He could be a guy, Jeremy, you think about it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: If they do the Rambo,

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[SPEAKER_00]: where the winner gets a title shot if if they have not announced it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm supposing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He could be in that godo position from last year where he wins the thing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And you know, they start to push him that way a little bit.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's just a tossing something out that they could do with him.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But I feel like this

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[SPEAKER_01]: You are correct.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But we did talk about this a couple of weeks ago.

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[SPEAKER_01]: What I was following up on really was with all that in mind, three, four, five months down the line.

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[SPEAKER_01]: What is it going to take?

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[SPEAKER_01]: for the promotion to get behind them for us as a viewing audience of New Japan to look at him differently than a midcard guy and look at him as at least upper midcard or top level heel.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Does he have to flash when the global title?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Does he have, you know what I mean?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like what does it take?

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[SPEAKER_00]: He needs some big wins against guys that can help him move up the card.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's not enough for him to beat the mid-level guy in another faction.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's going to have to win a big match or more than that, probably.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Remember, we had the same discussion about David Finlay for a long time.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's like, what's it going to take?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, he had to have good performances.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Let's start there as good performances and then win big matches.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Once Finlay didn't, he didn't win all of them.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But once Finlay won a few big matches, and he always had strong performances.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That it seems like a very long time ago that we didn't take Finlay seriously at all, and and there was a time when that was a real struggle people didn't they said what the juice Robinson the other guy and Finn juice.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know that that was how this started.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Now look how it's ended up.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's he's a legitimate contender for any title that he goes after.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And most people look forward to a David Finlay singles match.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's the kind of place.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Calum Newman has to go.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You get there by having good performances.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Being booked against good wrestlers and then putting them over those guys.

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[SPEAKER_00]: At least some of the times he doesn't have to go undefeated for a year.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But

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[SPEAKER_00]: He needs to be one of those guys where he might win this match, this big match.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He might win it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And once he gets to that point, then he'll do fine.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And when he was put in that spot where he had to wrestle Godo because Jeff Cobb left the company, he delivered.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That was a hell of a match.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, no one thought he was going to win the title, and he did not.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Hell of a good match.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so it's there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Just got to get booked correctly, but in that story of this whole year, book it correctly.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The global title is what the, you know, US title or whatever that's simply ended up holding for like a year before he dropped it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And Kyle Newman was going to have to have really good matches holding a title for a really long time.

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[SPEAKER_01]: in order for both the audience and the company that's a vote of confidence moving forward.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think he can take that ball and run with it, but I'm not sure how far they're willing to go with him.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, fair enough.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And there are some wild cards in here too, and R.A. is going to come back at some point and that and that will have to be addressed.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So there are things that there are other chapters to be written on this.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So because he's going to have something to say about it as well.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm pretty confident.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Because I mean, he's he's terrific character when he's there if he can just stay healthy.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And that's always been the the issue there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So anyway, that was that one.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And yeah, a win by OE will with the half crab and story being that the United Empire is struggling along.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We got a 10 minute best friend six man match after that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and this one was showed at Umano, you yet Wayne Mora and Shima Kato against El Fantasma, Hiroshi Tanahashi and Katsuyama, and that was about 10 minutes, Kato and Marashima were the highlights on this one.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They were really going at it with each other, and I think they are very close to whatever their next stage is, whether it's excursion or joining a faction, we're getting pretty close.

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[SPEAKER_00]: gotten to the last stage of young lionism with Mirashima, where now people actually have to break up pins that he has on people.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He hit a power slam on Shota Umana and showed a look like and played it, showed a soul that like he was finished.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And he needed his teammates to go and break up that pen.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's an important distinction.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Not all young lions even get there, but they're doing that with Mirashima now, where he could pin a main roster guy if his partners hadn't been there to save him.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And that's usually the last stop before he moves on to something else.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So he also got a backslide on Umano that was a close one, and but Umano of course came back, hit the the big Alaryato on Mirashima and pinned him.

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[SPEAKER_00]: everyone was being careful in this one.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The big match is Saturday with these two teams, fantastic, fantastic moment on a Hashie against Umano and Uemora.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And again, no real hints to what they're doing with Shota and Uya, whether they're going to be successful or unsuccessful quite yet.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They're holding those cards close to the chest.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I think that B-block, there's a lot of excitement with what they can do with it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I thought the A-block tonight for being the unit chatting block, I thought they had some good stuff, but there's a lot of anticipation for this B-block and some of the things they can do with it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I thought it was good match.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I thought how friendly everybody was with each other, ELK and Shoda and everything.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Just kind of, kind of, it's like they weren't.

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[SPEAKER_01]: like that gentleness is almost playing into the match that they're trying to be soft with each other.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, you just knew that that vicious this didn't really exist other than with the online who were like, no, man, we got something to prove here.

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[SPEAKER_01]: What are you talking about?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, the online's a rest of this one, like they were out for blood.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Whereas the others, like he said, these were our friends.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And these are our traveling buddies and our training buddies.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Who knows, maybe a switch will flip on Saturday.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's always possible.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you know, it feels like somebody's just going to get the the inconclusive but decisive win in the tag match and everyone's going to go, what are shots?

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[SPEAKER_01]: All right, I want you next one, but you're all over it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, yeah, we have the wardogs, which is David Finlay and Geto, teaming up with Haromu Takahashi.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and against the knockout brothers and dyking a guy.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That was the match here.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Haromu was very apprehensive about teaming with Finlay at first, but it ended up going relatively okay.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Here's what happened here, Jeremy.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There was a power bomb for the finish.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So Finlay, power bomb, diking the guy and beat him.

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[SPEAKER_00]: This one only went about six minutes.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But to take the knockout brothers out of this, Finlay was trying to get her own move to do a dive on them to the outside, which Heroma was not interested in doing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Uh, just kind of like, oh, no, I don't really want to do that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Trying to wave it off.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Finally, then just kick the rumble and the stomach gets him in power by position runs to the ropes and throws Hiromu onto Oscar and Udo on the outside thus taking them out of the equation.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So he could pin the guy afterwards.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Hiromu was less than thrilled with that as a decision, but

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[SPEAKER_00]: This looked more like when nighto and the rest of them used to haze Haromu with L.I.J.

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[SPEAKER_00]: than anything indicating a turn in this case anyway.

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[SPEAKER_00]: At least here today, it just looked like, hey, you know, we had to take them out.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You didn't want to die, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: I do, via instead.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So Haromu was just like, hey, what was that for type of stuff?

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[SPEAKER_00]: So maybe hazing Haromu a little bit as they move on.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I feel like the running gag that I could have had to do with Haromu.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to do the dive.

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[SPEAKER_00]: could very well be good.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then everybody pops.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and then, you know, the whole thing was Haromu and Utah just kept going at each other after the match.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then Utah kept breaking away and going after Haromu and, you know, Haromu would talk trash about Utah afterwards.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So there's, there's a whole thing with that on the way out.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It took a while to get out of the ring.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I am 100% here for Haromu to utilize.

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[SPEAKER_00]: After that, we got a little announcement that fantastic Romania is returning in January, which we all knew.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So we will, we got lineups.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I will see other promos for that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: A lot of the usual suspects, a lot of the guys who would expect from CMLL.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Also, I know right here if you want it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We can do it later as we get a little bit closer to it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There's no real shocks.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's my point there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There wasn't anybody that you wouldn't think would be there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It was about the usual.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So we got a myth to go.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We got a math character on him.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We got a couple of new guys.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I'm a mascara to rod and me to go are just fantastic.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, right now on there, really into a, you know, on a real hot run over there in CMLL.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So it'll be fun to have all of you going to see MLL now, like, sign me up.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Ultima Guerrero on that list this year.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yep.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, there he is, and I'm sure we'll see Okamura back and all that me, Mishimoto, so I don't see the Nishimoto in there, let's go out and give you the list, Mystico, Mascar Gerada, Teton, Atlante, Atlante, Jr., Templario, Stigma, Ultimo Guerrero, Hachicero, Avarino, Sobarano, Jr., Okamura, Magnus, and then debuting, Hiode, Stuca, Jr., Valiente, Jr., and Futuro.

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[SPEAKER_00]: OK, all right, nice.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I guess Neon is probably going to be back headline.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I have one more.

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[SPEAKER_00]: No wallet or yeah, he'll be a part of that to me.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He'll be back in Mexico say someone's got to, someone's got to buying the store.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, he's got to go on.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm sure we'll see Oklahoma around his wife again.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's always comes back from that, true.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm trying to think of, oh, yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Templario and TJP recently lost the NJP W Strong Tag titles to Nebula, Rohat, the Red Cloud, and onheld the Oral, the Golden Angel.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Nebula Roja and on Heldoro or a brother tag team really good one there, but they had a really good match against employee on TJP and won the NJP W Strong Tag titles, I thought he'd say ML attack champion, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think I believe so.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then they're going to hold those in.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, well, they haven't announced anything like that yet, but the point of making on that is afterwards TJP's body language was a guy who's done with the whole kind of new Japan CMLL universe for the moment.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He was all, thank you.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I, you know, I love arena Mexico.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Goodbye everybody that type of band.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, ironically coaching with WWE right now.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so that I think that was the end of T.J.P.

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[SPEAKER_00]: and in this whole 10 point of simmer.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I saw him not looking so good or hurt.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He wasn't looking so good at the end of that match.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You might have been, yeah, might have gotten banged up a little bit there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Might have gotten banged up.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, well, we'll have to see if that was just a rumor coming here.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, he's out.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Hopefully he'll be okay, you know, because he's just one of their best to the best workers.

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[SPEAKER_00]: All right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: From here, we got into the block matches.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So World Tag League, Block A and the first one was both in Oleg and Toro Yano against Desperado and Shugi Ishikawa.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Ishikawa mentioned before, a former triple crown champion.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I believe he started with D&T.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's worked for a lot of people.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's been in Noah before.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Now here he is in New Japan.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He is old now and he doesn't move that great.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But he was doing some power spots here.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The story here, though, is Desperado's back.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He wore a shirt and a back brace under the shirt, both of which got pulled off.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then they started beating on his backs.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's a worked injury because if he actually had a bad back, they wouldn't have worked it like the way they did in this match.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But his back will be an ongoing story in this one.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That seems to be his kryptonite right now is that he has a bad back.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Did you see the social media post you did where he said it back is actually broken?

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[SPEAKER_01]: that he has a broken back home, but that he said, you went to an ortho or like, you would do somebody and he said, oh, yeah, you've got you got some like, uh, issue to the back.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then he goes to another doctor.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He's like, how long have you had the fracture in your back?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like fractures.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Very dramatic.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Uh, yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So, and so, of course, he wrestled the match where he took about six blows to the back.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Uh, total

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[SPEAKER_00]: Desperado and Ishikawa tried a double team move, which involved Ishikawa picking up Desperado.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I guess to slam him on to somebody or whatever, but Yano hit Ishikawa with a low blow and rolled him up while he was still holding Desperado and pinned him both basically that way.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So two points on the board, first two points of the tournament.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Go to Tori Yano and both in Oleg, while Desperado and Ishikawa take the goose egg.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So that was about nine minutes, 56 seconds.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It was, it was all right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It was fine.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I've been writing these notes for F4W so that they can read them on wrestling and to rely.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I do a parameterizing for our show.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I wrote this note and I got to watch it on video of Brian Alvaro and for Pete this and I wrote a bold, bold, bold, bold story on a defeat disc for auto and TG and Shikawa after Yana rolled up both guys at one after a low blow.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And the look on it says it's like perfect.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I feel like I played that one perfectly.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's about exactly right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: All right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So with that in mind, we moved on to the next match, which was Don Fale and Evil against Chase Owens and Yuduro Takahashi.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So before we move on, though, I want to get to this one from Nicky, says a desk space back is actually banged up.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I would be afraid of Ishikawa having to become a mobile member of the team.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, no doubt about it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So almost certainly a work injury, though, with the way he was wrestling that match.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Thank you.

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[SPEAKER_00]: the boat south of torture about she could possibly have looked at yeah chasing usual that the the the troll tag team of this one just a just a make us worry that we're gonna have to watch a long match with these two i guess but usual once again a baby face pop for usual talk ash he is becoming an underneath cult baby face Jeremy this is the third not he was a baby face on burgeon night baby face in his home town it was a baby face here

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[SPEAKER_00]: The match was not good, of course.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, look who's in it for the love of God.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Evel's about the only one of these guys who can really wrestle well.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There was a ref bump, kind of Maro and Togo got in the rain, kind of Maro tried to pass around the whiskey bottle, everybody took a swig, but Evel spit his in Chase's face, Chase then accidentally, DDT usual because he was blinded by the whiskey and didn't know who it was and just thought somebody was attacking him, what it actually happened was

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[SPEAKER_00]: He didn't know as usual, DDT and then usual ended up tapping out to a sharpshooter.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Not good, but at least this match is out of the way.

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[SPEAKER_01]: How many waves could James Owens don't remember what team he was on?

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[SPEAKER_01]: That was the story.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He was trying to tag following a couple of times the same way.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, just like, well, you did your best with this comedy match and you got it done on the first night.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They did a lot of these.

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[SPEAKER_01]: All these like

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[SPEAKER_01]: They didn't they didn't wait on the they're just loading them up in the beginning getting them out of the way and then off to the traditional storytelling.

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[SPEAKER_00]: After that, you know what we're making just mentions house torture fighting themselves is the best use of the stick.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I like the level of a misfit by with them and there has to be a baby face by default and this one is the one that everyone seems to be going with a particular barricard tunes almost when they're in the ring.

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[SPEAKER_00]: After that, we had Satoshi Kojima and Taichi facing Bishamon.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Now we're talking, where this match was a lot better.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Taichi sold the knee injury early.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So it was more of a story match than a work rate match.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Taichi Nigos out, and then it was all about Taichi just selling and selling and selling.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Beishaman working that knee, working that knee.

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[SPEAKER_00]: When Satoshi Kojima would come in, he would get some brief comebacks, but then as soon as Taichi got back in, he would be cut off rather quickly.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So it was all Kojima just trying to get a little bit in.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then he avoided the show toe, though, a couple of times.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He didn't get finished off.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Taichi didn't.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And that would be a key.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Then, of course, comes the baby face rally.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I knew the team was being a heel here.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But they set this one up specifically for Taichi and Kojima to be the underdogs who needed to rally at the end.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Kojima and Taichi managed to hit a double laryat front and back, and then Taichi hit a very ECE inspired brainbuster.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He landed that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But when Yoshihashi countered and went to either pile drive or power bomb Taichi, just kind of get him in that position, Kojima, cleaned him out with a laryat.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then Taichi was able to hit black Mufisto and get the victory.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So the upset there, Bishimon falls to Taichi and Satoshi Kojima who then hug, like they are long lost friends.

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[SPEAKER_00]: After all that tension between them, it seems like this was the match, to finally brought them back together and Taichi realized he could defend on Kojima again.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Bishimon is the team that has to make everyone.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: One this tournament three of the last four years, including three in a row, last year they didn't because, you know, other things were going on, but it is not unusual for them to suffer in early loss because they're that consistent, great tag team in New Japan.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So a lot of times they have to make other people or put over guests and then, you know, come from behind to be in the mix and that's what appears to be going on this year, go to a Yoshi Hashie losing their opener.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I really thought this was the first good match of the world tag league, the other one would go fine, but like I felt like this was okay, we got some like real good new Japan action with some like veterans and there was a story to be told.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then when Tahichi won and Satoshi Kajima was so happy and they were like hugging and they were like into it and go to them and she's looking to be like we just walked to these guys.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I have a look on his face and it looks like

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[SPEAKER_01]: It was one of those moments when we were like, okay, we just feel like then you're kind of humming even if even if like we've got a pulse for just a couple of months right now, I'm here for the pulse.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know what I mean?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like I'm here for a little bit alive, we know some people like playing into their angle can feel like they're, they're mean on the bone.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Katoshu Kijima, perfect use of them so far.

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[SPEAKER_01]: If he's not a shee, but

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[SPEAKER_01]: I thought about, you know, what this match for the benefit of the she-e-m-ta-e-t, if it were versus Bishop Autumn's dead, and it would have been a little bit different, but I'm really happy with how this match turned out.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and Kojima can still work.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I mean, well, those guys, he's in his 50s, but he can still rest for a long time.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, he's very good.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's still very good.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And he, his timing, you know, exactly when to do stuff, he, he still has that underdog when he rallies.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He can still get the people behind him.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There's a lot there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There's a lot there more than more than the rest of the dads, I think.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's true.

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[SPEAKER_00]: After that, we have our main event.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And that was,

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[SPEAKER_00]: Drilla Maloney and Shingo Takagi as the odd couple tag team facing the other one, which is Gabe Kid and Yota Suji.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So these are teams of guys who earned each other's respect through beating the living snout out of each other for about the first three quarters of the year.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Smash was great.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The faction makes paired up early.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So it was Shingo and Suji, Drilla and Gabe Kid.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I thought this was funny because they both spilled to the outside and they both headed for the east side at the same time.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They both ended up going into the same set of bleachers.

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[SPEAKER_00]: headed for that same direction side.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The war dogs got there first, so the unaffiliated guys had to retreat and fight their way to the other side of the Corican Hall, so they could fight and smash each other's heads into the west side.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And when I was watching this in all Japan, I went to an all Japan show Jeremy.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and they fought all the way to the side, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: They go up the bleachers and all that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I leaned over to the guy, the Australian guy

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[SPEAKER_00]: most of the best wrestlers and histories heads about stuff for those East and West signs over the years.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It seems like it's such a trope for Cork and Hall that you got to go up there and get some ashton of the East and West on both of them are dented up by the way.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They've been hit so many times.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So if you ever go there check that out it's pretty funny that just picture those dents is being guys like Terry Funk and Masawa and Tana Hashin.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Now come on everybody, they've all bounced off of that one.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So they ended up getting back in the ring, of course.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And the action in this match was terrific.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not going to give you the blow by blow, because it's worth it going back and watch.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There was a four-way battle to be the first to do the Kiddiquetia thing, which I always thought sounded like Scott Scott, the way Shingo does, but it's his mouth guard.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's his mouth guard.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So he's going to give some a speech impediment, but he'll keep the Kiddiquetia.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Finally,

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[SPEAKER_00]: uh... shingo and baloney managed to do it after everybody had attempted the least once and then was hit for behind to interrupt it but finally shingo and drill a hit a double made in japan uh... to win it was gave kid that took the fall i think that's going to be the theme of the tag tournament because i don't think you're decision is going to be taking any uh... falls in this match

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[SPEAKER_00]: And in the end, Shin go to Kagi and drill him alone.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He who I think could actually go a long way in this tournament.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think they might go on to the playoffs here, get the victory in the main event.

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[SPEAKER_00]: 17 minutes and one second, this measure's terrific.

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[SPEAKER_01]: This match was excellent.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I was like, this is what I've been missing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, get four guys laying it in on each other, going real hard knowing it was a main event.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Draw on Maloney, it felt like it was his audition to be one of the big dogs in New Japan.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Kind of saying he wrote to the moment, I would say, I think Gabe Kid is just kind of feeling himself to kind of enjoying this.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I would say last victory lap of having fun before he moves on to AEW proper and, you know, Shingo and Yoda Sushi, it's just another day of the office for that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And Yoda Sushi knows that he's got a big role to play going into Wrestle Kingdom, and he's trying to be present and big for every moment as a result.

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[SPEAKER_00]: A three of these four guys sushi sometimes takes nights off, I think, during road two shows every once in the while, but shingo Maloney kid very rarely do their matches or it fin lays another one their matches are almost always the highlights of those road two shows when everything else is kind of I mentioned we get t-shirt new Japan some nights where just everybody's phoning in it except these guys so yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Three of the four guys who never really phoned it in, sushi you couldn't phoned it in if the other three guys are working hard.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so you got a really terrific match.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And even when even when sushi

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[SPEAKER_00]: takes it a little bit easy.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He doesn't go all the way down into first gear the way some of the guys do.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He still works.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's just that these guys never take a night off and sometimes Sergio dial a back a little didn't dial it back tonight.

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[SPEAKER_00]: This is very good and a proper way to end until the yo sketch at the end where he came back out for a sit in and that's how it wrapped up.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So anyway, mentioned it's a oligagnano.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They have two points, Kojima and Taichi have two points, Maloney and Takagi have two points, and Fale and evil have two points.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So, that's all you want to know.

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[SPEAKER_01]: November 22nd, we have monster sauce of outstand and land torture.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Again, versus House of Tortures, Renner Reed and Sonata.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We got TNTK, Zatsaiber Jr and Rio Hill, we love her since United Empire of Cal Nomening, Great O'Con.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That match is going to go a long way to tell us which story they're telling with Newman and O'Conn.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Correct.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Tana Hashi and Elfantana's movers have showed at Umenown, New Year, Uemura and then David family and her O'Motaka Hashi versus the knockout brother.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He don't ask and ask her.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's probably going to be a terrific match, no matter how it turns out.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And again, Oscar and Yuto are too new to phone anything in.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They're working hard every single night.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Finlay always gives it a dissolve.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And once again, her role was in that spot where, well, I can't be the one guy who's taking a night off.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So, and it's a main event.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think it's in Kanagawa, which is a town that usually take fairly seriously, as a roadshow town.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So, I think this will be another solid night-a-action right here.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, if you look at those four matches,

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm pretty good self.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They really are.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Renderita is underrated and I will enjoy.

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[SPEAKER_01]: If he ends up beating Alkane in literature.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know why, but I really just want to see him with a push-up bar.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Again, Alkane with that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: After that, Sunday is off, but then Monday, the 24th, they're back in Tokyo, but at the Machita City gym, so a different part of town, they'll be there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then Tuesday, back in Fukushima at the Big Palette, that's a building we've seen many times, and then Wednesday, so Saturday, and then Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Wednesday is in Sendai at the Sun Plaza.

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[SPEAKER_00]: and that's where we'll see that show and then next Thursday is off their back and action on Friday.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So that's what's coming up this week and you know by then we'll have an idea of where they're going but for the next two weeks these world tag league shows it can be coming thick and fast.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think there are what three of them over the four day weekend of Thanksgiving so it's going to be hectic.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I think there is a 90% chance that you and I are going to record something on Wednesday for next week that we are not going to go live for.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We're just going to kind of go in, talk about everything, knock it out, drop something for everybody.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But we're not going to do live next week.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's just too stressful with life and travel and Thanksgiving in the States.

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[SPEAKER_01]: but they're just too much stuff to skip away.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, exactly.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm traveling that day on Thanksgiving day, I'm getting a very early and in traveling.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So, can't really take the chance because I've got connecting flights and all this and I can't take the chance of missing a live show.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So, plus, there isn't a show on Thursday.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So, when we do talk about everything Wednesday, it'll be all the action that would have taken place by the time of a live show.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Anyway, unfortunately, we won't have the interaction with all of you, which we will miss.

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[SPEAKER_00]: me and me, oh, I hope you tune in.

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[SPEAKER_00]: If you can't do it live, we totally understand it's Thanksgiving day.

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[SPEAKER_00]: For those of those of you listening outside the US and really outside the US is almost what 35, 40% of our audience right there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We'll have a show for you and we'll have world tag lead covered.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Anybody that's with your families on Thanksgiving, we totally understand if he listened to it a little later.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's all good.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I broke him, Steve, and at first you didn't want to do this, and then he came around without me, like, bringing him, you know, maybe we could have like, oh, yeah, we totally can't, man.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, probably.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He really meant not being here last week.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I did.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, he was like, man, I mean, you'll caught a thing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, I was sitting there in Las Vegas, and I'm in the sports book, and there's millions things going on in the lights and music, and games up on 50 television.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's not all that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I was just thinking, damn, I don't get to talk about newspapers.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Do you have any thoughts about all that now that the dust is settled?

01:00:04.548 --> 01:00:14.805
[SPEAKER_00]: I thought from the beginning, I have said week after week, after week, until I was blue in the face, the Nakamura thing was a long shot for a myriad of different reasons.

01:00:14.825 --> 01:00:16.007
[SPEAKER_00]: It was always a long shot.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, Kata always made sense to me as the real go-to guy that you can get something out of, who will have a good match, who will draw money.

01:00:28.949 --> 01:00:29.290
[SPEAKER_00]: And,

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm right and I was right and I was right no and and just the fact that all this was going on in Anjo on O'Count is birthday.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It all screamed out to me that that's what this was going to be I understand all the rumors about Nakamura and how things went but there were a lot of obstacles to that match for a lot of different reasons If it had worked out it would have been great it really would have been

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[SPEAKER_00]: it was going to be really difficult to get that match in the ring on Russell Kingdom.

01:00:57.859 --> 01:01:10.119
[SPEAKER_00]: And so I always thought that it would end up being Ocata because it would work too, you know, and it would be a lot less hassle, you know, like, so if the Nakamura thing had worked out, we'd all be over the moon right now.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We'd be thrilled.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It would be very exciting.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I would say it's sold out Tokyo, don't tell us, because there's show of

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[SPEAKER_00]: I advocated.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And this is one thing you and I fought with a thought about a lot.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think and I think the attendance at last year's Russell Kingdom Bears bears me out would have been smart to bring him back last year because here's the thing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The New Japan fans aren't burned out and watching him do AEW.

01:01:39.860 --> 01:01:41.141
[SPEAKER_00]: They're not watching AEW.

01:01:41.822 --> 01:01:44.684
[SPEAKER_00]: And so they haven't seen him in a year.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Now it's almost two years.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Almost two years since they've seen Ocada, they are ready for this.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They are fired up at the idea of seeing him and not just Ocada, they are ready to see New Japan Ocada because you know he's bringing it in the main event of the Tokyo dome against Tana Hashi, whether it goes on last or not.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's the match that drew this crowd.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He knows that.

01:02:04.504 --> 01:02:09.771
[SPEAKER_00]: And you know that we are going to get that New Japan big matcho Cata who was one of the very best that's ever done it.

01:02:10.733 --> 01:02:13.717
[SPEAKER_00]: And that is very exciting to New Japan fans.

01:02:13.777 --> 01:02:20.386
[SPEAKER_00]: He is still one of the biggest stars of this century in this company.

01:02:20.847 --> 01:02:22.329
[SPEAKER_00]: And they still see him as that.

01:02:22.709 --> 01:02:31.802
[SPEAKER_00]: I know that AEW fans are probably just there are a lot of them

01:02:32.035 --> 01:02:37.002
[SPEAKER_00]: not arguing with that, but the people in Japan don't look at Okada that way.

01:02:37.163 --> 01:02:55.950
[SPEAKER_00]: They just see him as one of the biggest stars they've seen in the last 25, 30 years, maybe since the, you know, he's in that conversation with the biggest star since the Muto Chono, Muto Chono Hashimoto trio, and so they're very excited to have him back.

01:02:56.065 --> 01:02:57.887
[SPEAKER_00]: And and I just thought it was the right move.

01:02:58.248 --> 01:03:12.025
[SPEAKER_00]: I just say it's it's one way to to absolutely excite the fan base to sell tickets and if they come out of the show again saying goodbye to Tana Hashie, but with a new hero to cheer for elsewhere on the show.

01:03:12.806 --> 01:03:17.773
[SPEAKER_00]: Get finally build a little bit of momentum after what was really a lost 20 25 from New Japan.

01:03:19.395 --> 01:03:21.938
[SPEAKER_01]: So one of the thing I.

01:03:23.302 --> 01:03:28.390
[SPEAKER_01]: During the week, I texted you, hey, you should listen to our friends.

01:03:29.252 --> 01:03:33.599
[SPEAKER_01]: The WeWorks Diff podcast, talking about their 2025 and review.

01:03:33.799 --> 01:03:45.057
[SPEAKER_01]: And one of the things that they said was that when they were at wrestle kingdom and wrestle dynasty, this past year, they discovered that

01:03:45.492 --> 01:03:51.980
[SPEAKER_01]: that tonight event was originally supposed to be Tonahashi retired and we had suspected that for a while.

01:03:52.000 --> 01:03:57.346
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but because Okanah had left, Tonahashi felt like he could not.

01:03:58.528 --> 01:04:03.193
[SPEAKER_01]: He could not leave the company in the position that it was in an active wrestler.

01:04:03.394 --> 01:04:05.697
[SPEAKER_01]: He needed to do more to get it.

01:04:05.797 --> 01:04:08.580
[SPEAKER_01]: So we got this additional year, which

01:04:08.560 --> 01:04:27.261
[SPEAKER_01]: Turn out to be a myth bag, you know, the end result shows to be a bit of a success, but the entirety of the year felt like aimless outside of what was going on in the ton of hot she liked they were afraid to pull the trigger on anybody as a result of that

01:04:27.376 --> 01:04:33.465
[SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, and we've, I'm not sure in a rupee, but there were some good spots like the, the Goto Revolution was a lot of fun.

01:04:33.885 --> 01:04:36.649
[SPEAKER_00]: Desperado, especially in the first six months was strong.

01:04:37.290 --> 01:04:42.598
[SPEAKER_00]: Things just kind of took a nose dive and a real rudderless ship.

01:04:42.618 --> 01:04:57.079
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm getting all these transportation metaphors mixed up, but you know, the playing crash, the ship was lost, all this stuff, after a Goto kind of gave up the title, they had something going for a minute,

01:04:57.059 --> 01:05:00.923
[SPEAKER_00]: But to your point, this wasn't really the idea for the year anyway.

01:05:00.983 --> 01:05:02.185
[SPEAKER_00]: This wasn't what they had in mind.

01:05:02.905 --> 01:05:17.962
[SPEAKER_01]: So with all that said, I'm almost not sure that if Ocata had come back for a retirement match just a year, like if it hadn't been him last year, like retiring him, I'm not sure it would have worked out.

01:05:18.442 --> 01:05:25.530
[SPEAKER_01]: Like this is a perfect timing kind of scenario where it would have been better a couple

01:05:25.898 --> 01:05:35.755
[SPEAKER_01]: It had the magnitude now two years removed of him being gone with enough time or the crowd to be like, okay, this is a big match that we didn't think we're going to get.

01:05:36.416 --> 01:05:40.203
[SPEAKER_00]: I think they would have done better than they did last year.

01:05:40.263 --> 01:05:47.215
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think we were sitting there talking about a 25,000.

01:05:48.005 --> 01:06:16.358
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so I mean, you know that, but that wouldn't have been too bad as opposed to what we got, which was, they, I don't know how they counted 18,000 people that wrestle dynasty, that's what they were, I don't think there were that many people there and, you know, they had a Tony con called it a great success, but he doesn't think it's going to happen again in the future and it's like,

01:06:16.338 --> 01:06:41.265
[SPEAKER_00]: And you didn't even advertise and because the HBO Matt's deal with more important to you at the time keep in mind let's talk about history keep in mind This is a guy who says that literally every single AEW pay per view is the best part of the work He wasn't he wasn't born a carnie, but he is learning the trade in Fantastic promoter of his own product at the is he though is he though?

01:06:41.617 --> 01:06:43.159
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not sure.

01:06:43.179 --> 01:06:49.066
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, you know, and I'm going to tell you who's a fantastic promoter because sometimes I look at that product and I think it's amazing.

01:06:49.086 --> 01:06:51.929
[SPEAKER_01]: You're making it as much money with this as you are okay.

01:06:51.949 --> 01:07:08.569
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, yeah, he got the TV contracts right there, but he said, I'm working like it is you are missing an end factor and I like hangman page and I like a couple of the other guys on that show, but if they're not on the show, it's a real hard watch for me.

01:07:09.089 --> 01:07:10.751
[SPEAKER_00]: That's a hard watch with him for the look.

01:07:10.771 --> 01:07:21.702
[SPEAKER_00]: But, and, and a lot of people aren't anymore and then and a lot of people aren't going anymore because he's such a great promoter They've gone from basketball arenas to doing long-term residencies in Bingo Halls.

01:07:22.323 --> 01:07:29.250
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I get, I get frustrated with the booking of the men's division and the women's division, but this is a niche band podcast.

01:07:29.270 --> 01:07:36.598
[SPEAKER_01]: So, if you really want to hear me go off on the men's and women's division of AEW, Saturday night with Kila Cash at the AEW, you folks, you're right.

01:07:38.418 --> 01:07:39.020
[SPEAKER_00]: Hello, there you go.

01:07:39.040 --> 01:07:41.247
[SPEAKER_00]: I'll see the Fernando's in the bag for me.

01:07:41.267 --> 01:07:42.752
[SPEAKER_00]: Says I'm a huge fan of Tony Khan.

01:07:42.772 --> 01:07:43.816
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, there you go.

01:07:43.836 --> 01:07:46.605
[SPEAKER_00]: Tony Tony, Tony, they're still love for you out there, I promise.

01:07:46.906 --> 01:07:53.113
[SPEAKER_01]: I need to be very honest about how I feel about Tony Khan and that I have a lot of respect for him.

01:07:53.593 --> 01:08:03.444
[SPEAKER_01]: I understand that he is putting his own product first, but I am also in a position of watching how his decision can to trample other promotions.

01:08:03.945 --> 01:08:16.879
[SPEAKER_01]: And I need to be honest that sometimes that rubbs me the wrong way because it does not feel like he is being a good partner to the promotion that he takes from.

01:08:16.859 --> 01:08:24.828
[SPEAKER_01]: that he owes NutriPan for, you know, curating guys like Ocata and offspray and J.

01:08:24.888 --> 01:08:29.634
[SPEAKER_01]: White, so that he can put them on his roster and put them in top positions.

01:08:29.694 --> 01:08:33.018
[SPEAKER_01]: Because the guys on the stage that he got, they don't have that pedigree.

01:08:33.038 --> 01:08:38.924
[SPEAKER_01]: They don't have that level of, like, competency of skill and ability to, like, translate the crowd.

01:08:39.064 --> 01:08:43.930
[SPEAKER_01]: So, you know, I just wish that he were a better partner sometimes.

01:08:44.028 --> 01:08:55.827
[SPEAKER_01]: But beyond that, I think that what he's been able to accomplish with AEW is nothing short of extraordinary given the environment to WWE currently existing.

01:08:56.279 --> 01:09:22.759
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and we'll see, when I look at the landscape and I'm talking the very in general landscape and it comes to developing talent being able to get talent and then broadcast options, I'm not seeing a great future for AEW, like in a few years now, it's just, you're three years for now, they're going to have to, they're going to have to find somebody that's like, yeah, we believe in you and we think that you're an avenue for making money.

01:09:23.077 --> 01:09:24.679
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and it's tough.

01:09:24.699 --> 01:09:27.884
[SPEAKER_00]: There aren't many dance partners left because WWE has a lot of them tied up.

01:09:27.904 --> 01:09:35.355
[SPEAKER_00]: They have the talent pipeline tied up and there aren't many stars in AEW and there really isn't a path to getting new ones at the moment.

01:09:35.676 --> 01:09:41.244
[SPEAKER_00]: They're going to have to get creative to figure out where to find new stars because it's already wearing thin.

01:09:42.846 --> 01:09:44.369
[SPEAKER_00]: The ones they have are already wearing thin.

01:09:44.669 --> 01:09:46.251
[SPEAKER_00]: It's tough.

01:09:46.312 --> 01:09:52.020
[SPEAKER_00]: There just aren't a lot of people they could bring

01:09:52.237 --> 01:09:52.598
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

01:09:52.618 --> 01:10:00.951
[SPEAKER_01]: So, whatever the story was with Nakamura and Ocada and Tony Con and WWE news camp, we've litigated it.

01:10:01.472 --> 01:10:01.873
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

01:10:01.893 --> 01:10:02.955
[SPEAKER_01]: I know where I stand.

01:10:03.476 --> 01:10:06.240
[SPEAKER_01]: I have done my homework with how that's all played out.

01:10:06.921 --> 01:10:16.337
[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm pretty confident that at some point the truth will come out and we're going to get something other than the stories that Tony Con has told us about how

01:10:17.363 --> 01:10:23.691
[SPEAKER_00]: All right, so with that in mind, yeah, I mean, we could beat our heads to the end of the end of the desk talking about this weekend.

01:10:23.711 --> 01:10:41.495
[SPEAKER_01]: The whole week couple out of this, the plan does it though and I put these from dive with these, it all come out, come on, that's really, oh, friend, I like to think like the dead stuff, Fernando, I appreciate a man, but Kyle O'Reilly is emerging as a star.

01:10:41.515 --> 01:10:44.299
[SPEAKER_00]: He's he's being pushed, but

01:10:44.768 --> 01:10:51.036
[SPEAKER_00]: into the following people not buying tickets to see Kyla Riley they would have by now if they were going to that that's the follow-through.

01:10:52.157 --> 01:11:06.214
[SPEAKER_01]: If we do this guy as a truck in the evening, go years ago, if he is winning paper view matches against top stars, if six months and they're good, there's a chance there, but it's the follow-through.

01:11:06.515 --> 01:11:09.338
[SPEAKER_00]: He is not bringing new fans to the company.

01:11:09.358 --> 01:11:10.219
[SPEAKER_00]: It is not.

01:11:10.925 --> 01:11:11.526
[SPEAKER_01]: What else we got?

01:11:11.566 --> 01:11:12.127
[SPEAKER_01]: What else we got?

01:11:12.767 --> 01:11:13.268
[SPEAKER_01]: Perch Night.

01:11:14.049 --> 01:11:16.252
[SPEAKER_01]: Heave my turn at my time to shine.

01:11:17.714 --> 01:11:21.799
[SPEAKER_00]: So Jeremy was all excited about the House of Torture Perch Night at Cork and Hall.

01:11:21.819 --> 01:11:24.322
[SPEAKER_00]: This is the special show they did with the, this is New Japan sold out.

01:11:24.342 --> 01:11:30.570
[SPEAKER_00]: If you remember the old NWO, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh

01:11:31.057 --> 01:11:33.139
[SPEAKER_00]: paper view from many, many moons ago.

01:11:33.720 --> 01:11:36.403
[SPEAKER_00]: So this is a night for the house torture to be in charge.

01:11:37.224 --> 01:11:40.668
[SPEAKER_00]: And Jeremy, this was kind of a strange night.

01:11:40.688 --> 01:11:42.390
[SPEAKER_00]: A lot of wild stuff happening over here.

01:11:42.570 --> 01:11:48.917
[SPEAKER_00]: And you're going to walk us through a rather bizarre card from Corko and Hall.

01:11:49.478 --> 01:11:53.082
[SPEAKER_00]: And first of all, did a draw to how to do, did people, were people into this?

01:11:53.770 --> 01:12:06.379
[SPEAKER_01]: Stephen, it's rolled out within 20 hours of it going on sale, months ago, and it's been a 40, and the audience count was 1481 in Corkin Hall.

01:12:07.203 --> 01:12:07.604
[SPEAKER_00]: Wow.

01:12:08.004 --> 01:12:10.468
[SPEAKER_00]: That's a full house.

01:12:10.989 --> 01:12:12.231
[SPEAKER_01]: It was absolutely a full house.

01:12:13.213 --> 01:12:17.199
[SPEAKER_01]: So here's the content I mentioned about a car earlier this week in this local paper view.

01:12:17.580 --> 01:12:23.149
[SPEAKER_01]: So I got home yesterday and I saw a couple notes about people really enjoying watching perch night.

01:12:23.169 --> 01:12:30.240
[SPEAKER_01]: And honestly, I have no business spending $22 or kind of papers you right now, especially with this week giving everything out to spend money on.

01:12:30.220 --> 01:12:46.915
[SPEAKER_01]: But I was like, this is content for the show and I'd rather watch it and give content than trying to make sense of it with Stephen after the fact, because I tried to do that with the Taiji Shimori get weird show for the week before and fine, but this is better.

01:12:46.935 --> 01:12:48.077
[SPEAKER_01]: I watch it here we go.

01:12:48.395 --> 01:12:54.383
[SPEAKER_01]: All right, start out with a pre-show match and Dictogo versus hit-to-go.

01:12:55.244 --> 01:12:59.230
[SPEAKER_01]: It's not about a sweet blue suit accompanying Dictogo.

01:12:59.771 --> 01:13:03.696
[SPEAKER_01]: And then a turned out that hip-to-go is re-escape to Gucci.

01:13:04.517 --> 01:13:07.201
[SPEAKER_01]: He's coming out as if Dictogo were a cool hipster.

01:13:08.923 --> 01:13:13.710
[SPEAKER_01]: Dictogo is trying so hard to stay in character for this.

01:13:14.483 --> 01:13:18.769
[SPEAKER_01]: The Togo actually break the Gucci offer him an imaginary tooth pick.

01:13:18.789 --> 01:13:26.960
[SPEAKER_01]: He just started laughing his ass off and then all of a sudden, Bologna collection, AT come out in a full body suit and a trench coat.

01:13:27.401 --> 01:13:33.870
[SPEAKER_01]: And he is executing him Togo while genona is actually ticked.

01:13:33.890 --> 01:13:37.555
[SPEAKER_00]: So I got a question for you was Milano still wearing the mask.

01:13:37.602 --> 01:13:38.763
[SPEAKER_00]: He will not worry about it tonight.

01:13:39.364 --> 01:13:40.165
[SPEAKER_00]: We saw his face.

01:13:41.006 --> 01:13:48.814
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, if you're wearing a fake on and then the outfit and a trench coat, Tim, how long has it been?

01:13:48.874 --> 01:13:51.817
[SPEAKER_00]: No, I mean, he's a personal trainer, by the way.

01:13:51.837 --> 01:13:53.118
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm a lot of any help strain.

01:13:53.959 --> 01:13:55.841
[SPEAKER_00]: He helps train other wrestlers, too.

01:13:55.881 --> 01:13:58.024
[SPEAKER_00]: He was seen recently at a startup training session.

01:13:58.564 --> 01:14:01.247
[SPEAKER_00]: In a video that was showing the,

01:14:01.227 --> 01:14:13.903
[SPEAKER_00]: whatever the start of version of young lions are training up and he always has one of those surgical mass oversfait ever since covid he always has he's always been a big kind of a I don't think he did

01:14:14.440 --> 01:14:21.831
[SPEAKER_00]: No, he's not, he's not a, he's not a germofo, but he's just very careful in public about his health and all this kind of stuff and he's, you know, preaches the whole clean living thing.

01:14:21.851 --> 01:14:23.253
[SPEAKER_00]: So I was amazed.

01:14:23.313 --> 01:14:42.000
[SPEAKER_01]: I would just wondered if he was going to still have the mask or his face or if he's going to show his face because he, he watched a new Japan, you were all, you do not see his face and we're like going to tack on a tack on tight and like body suit like we're, well, all right, so skeleton of like the weird creature and so to Gucci, uh,

01:14:42.790 --> 01:14:46.555
[SPEAKER_01]: get ready for the match and all he's wearing are flesh covered tights.

01:14:46.575 --> 01:14:48.117
[SPEAKER_01]: So he will click you to tweet me.

01:14:48.738 --> 01:14:49.118
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, no.

01:14:50.700 --> 01:14:55.867
[SPEAKER_01]: Uh, this match plays up being to get your naked and trying to disrobe Togo.

01:14:56.548 --> 01:15:03.477
[SPEAKER_01]: To get your wheels to house torture young lives or actually double agents and they'll start all assaulting Dic Togo.

01:15:04.058 --> 01:15:11.127
[SPEAKER_01]: Milano then booked Dic Togo in a paradise lock.

01:15:11.410 --> 01:15:21.519
[SPEAKER_01]: But what takes off the trench coat for him and a full body suit, Sonana disrobes out of his suit and he's wearing his full body suit.

01:15:22.039 --> 01:15:22.500
[SPEAKER_00]: Good lord.

01:15:24.221 --> 01:15:30.047
[SPEAKER_01]: And Sonana grabs Moana's muscle leash and throws it into the audience, in which Moana gets completely upset.

01:15:30.807 --> 01:15:40.776
[SPEAKER_01]: But Sonana in a paradise lock through the ropes, and it gives you the worst dropkick that you've ever seen

01:15:41.549 --> 01:15:42.771
[SPEAKER_01]: Blue and ridiculous match.

01:15:43.231 --> 01:15:50.261
[SPEAKER_01]: And Togo got wheeled off while in the Paradise Law on a loading cart.

01:15:50.361 --> 01:15:51.042
[SPEAKER_00]: Sorry, I missed it.

01:15:51.863 --> 01:15:52.745
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think you are.

01:15:55.408 --> 01:15:59.895
[SPEAKER_01]: The dark and their day live performance of the House of Portrait theme.

01:16:01.196 --> 01:16:03.159
[SPEAKER_01]: Before evil come up with a shoe and skywalker.

01:16:03.600 --> 01:16:06.223
[SPEAKER_00]: Wait, they had the hand the band there.

01:16:06.904 --> 01:16:09.548
[SPEAKER_01]: They had the lead guitarist.

01:16:09.882 --> 01:16:10.223
[SPEAKER_01]: Wow.

01:16:10.343 --> 01:16:10.764
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.

01:16:10.784 --> 01:16:10.984
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

01:16:11.285 --> 01:16:13.869
[SPEAKER_01]: Good rocking out rocking out with the live performance for the show.

01:16:15.031 --> 01:16:16.634
[SPEAKER_01]: Shoebs guy Walker comes out.

01:16:17.075 --> 01:16:19.019
[SPEAKER_01]: Doesn't think he cut the promo thing.

01:16:19.039 --> 01:16:19.600
[SPEAKER_01]: Hey, evil.

01:16:19.700 --> 01:16:24.349
[SPEAKER_01]: You, me and O'Gawas should all join up together and like try and take over Japan.

01:16:24.849 --> 01:16:25.952
[SPEAKER_01]: And he was like, sure.

01:16:26.092 --> 01:16:26.513
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

01:16:26.533 --> 01:16:26.973
[SPEAKER_01]: Let's do that.

01:16:27.074 --> 01:16:28.276
[SPEAKER_01]: And then you try to flash pin.

01:16:28.757 --> 01:16:29.638
[SPEAKER_01]: Shoebs guy Walker.

01:16:29.658 --> 01:16:33.325
[SPEAKER_01]: And then Shoebs guy Walker tries to flash pin him back.

01:16:33.305 --> 01:16:42.198
[SPEAKER_01]: They end up outside for a bit, including evil with a baseball swing with the chair while Shoes got the chair over his neck, you know that thing will go from time to time.

01:16:42.999 --> 01:16:47.346
[SPEAKER_01]: Evil with the advantage for a while, but just can't get the three count goes on for a while.

01:16:47.626 --> 01:16:53.915
[SPEAKER_01]: Finish is evil grabs the ref, ref getting pissed and tries to slap evil, accidentally hits Shoes.

01:16:53.935 --> 01:16:55.718
[SPEAKER_01]: Shoes gets pissed and pushes the ref.

01:16:59.163 --> 01:17:01.827
[SPEAKER_01]: Evil,

01:17:01.807 --> 01:17:16.344
[SPEAKER_01]: tune goes for a finish and the lights go out, lights come back on, evil just tape, you wait, shoot the mask off and throw it, I'll hide, whoa, whoa, everything if you've all got the pin, better than it felt.

01:17:16.424 --> 01:17:24.534
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, all right, I have tried trust you, yeah, I mean, evil and shown are both pretty good wrestlers when they want to be, and so I'm sure there was some pretty decent action in that one.

01:17:24.854 --> 01:17:28.759
[SPEAKER_01]: The thing is, the crowd with here for all of it, like I tell you that

01:17:29.043 --> 01:17:31.487
[SPEAKER_01]: like the crowd elevated everything on this show.

01:17:31.527 --> 01:17:45.972
[SPEAKER_01]: There were good stuff and there was definitely bad stuff on the show and we're about to get to it because the next thing is Chethel and Dawn Falle and Yoshino Ketramaro versus Kuduhidaka Masada Chunaka and Taichi.

01:17:46.137 --> 01:17:54.910
[SPEAKER_00]: Masato Tanaka, folks, Masato Tanaka, so if you're watching wrestling and was an ECW in the 90s and all that, you know, Masato Tanaka.

01:17:55.270 --> 01:17:57.233
[SPEAKER_01]: He's moving like he was at ECW in the 90s.

01:17:57.273 --> 01:17:57.994
[SPEAKER_01]: He'll tell you that much.

01:17:58.655 --> 01:18:05.385
[SPEAKER_01]: Cantermar runs down the two guys until Tage comes out in the crowd goes wild in a media coat by Hauke torture.

01:18:05.886 --> 01:18:10.633
[SPEAKER_01]: It's a quick match, standard stuff, follow dominating, stepping on the guys and all that.

01:18:11.314 --> 01:18:14.338
[SPEAKER_01]: Owens with mid-authent and then a package pile driver for the win.

01:18:15.584 --> 01:18:16.305
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.

01:18:16.325 --> 01:18:21.914
[SPEAKER_00]: And after that, we had Dick Togo and Ren Naredo facing the team of Hanzo and the great suscending.

01:18:22.335 --> 01:18:26.101
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, this was the third time that Togo was out for the show.

01:18:26.582 --> 01:18:33.913
[SPEAKER_01]: You remember he was carried away in a paradise lock on a on a gurney cart before the show started and then it was completely fine for the first match.

01:18:33.933 --> 01:18:34.274
[SPEAKER_00]: Thank you.

01:18:34.334 --> 01:18:36.497
[SPEAKER_00]: We have the doctors out to unlock him in the back there.

01:18:36.517 --> 01:18:36.618
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

01:18:36.638 --> 01:18:37.219
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.

01:18:37.239 --> 01:18:41.305
[SPEAKER_01]: And then he was out with evil for the shooting guy walking match and now he's back out for the attack batch.

01:18:41.403 --> 01:19:04.069
[SPEAKER_01]: uh to go ahead a lot of high flying here he was actually kind of the baby face just doing more acrobatics stuff that I've seen him do in a very long time uh he did a springboard in the outside uh springboard splash and then he did a kind of a handstand off the ropes kind of thing to think just kind of fun match Narina got a submission for the win.

01:19:04.842 --> 01:19:08.546
[SPEAKER_00]: All right, and then that one was followed up with a trio's match.

01:19:08.566 --> 01:19:13.772
[SPEAKER_00]: This is Dokey, Sonata, back out, and show against Akito.

01:19:14.172 --> 01:19:21.400
[SPEAKER_00]: Kaisay to Ketsha, excuse me, to Ketshi, Kaisay to Ketshi, and Yuki Ueno, a trip driver's name there.

01:19:21.420 --> 01:19:27.467
[SPEAKER_00]: But Kaisay to Ketshi is actually somebody, New Japan, has kind of been giving the side eye, too, might be interested in this, too.

01:19:27.547 --> 01:19:28.789
[SPEAKER_00]: So tell us what you saw.

01:19:30.310 --> 01:19:32.773
[SPEAKER_01]: The first thing I saw on this was,

01:19:33.479 --> 01:19:46.637
[SPEAKER_01]: even when shows music hit that little like computerized game chord thing and this crowd went nuts like absolutely mold for show and I was like what it's happening here.

01:19:48.419 --> 01:20:01.377
[SPEAKER_01]: I was like this crowd of like every every guy in house the torture and how to fan kind of thing and so I replayed it twice like did I hear that right and it was just one of those

01:20:01.660 --> 01:20:14.542
[SPEAKER_00]: What happened a year okay, all right, there's a line I heard there there's a line I heard recently that there's there's a paddle for every ass if you look hard nothing though.

01:20:14.562 --> 01:20:18.008
[SPEAKER_00]: It sounds like they Sounds like there were some people for show here tonight.

01:20:18.069 --> 01:20:18.910
[SPEAKER_00]: You just never heard

01:20:19.430 --> 01:20:46.500
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, show got triple teamed after you cut a promo and all the three guys and and pure show getting his butt kicked and I'm taking a shirt off and him getting his shirt back and putting it back on because that's his gimmick is he can't be shirtless for these matchups and any way shape or form and you know Steven up to this point there was a sliding scale of the the way to the show went the quicker the baby faces got heat so if like the people against it it was like.

01:20:46.480 --> 01:20:52.859
[SPEAKER_01]: Took a little while the first couple matches, shoot scallops, you're going to butt kick, and then, you know, follow him.

01:20:52.899 --> 01:20:57.251
[SPEAKER_01]: He kind of marrow didn't go very long, but it took a little while for the big faces.

01:20:57.271 --> 01:20:58.515
[SPEAKER_01]: Man, in this one,

01:20:59.390 --> 01:21:01.653
[SPEAKER_01]: The baby has got heat right away.

01:21:01.673 --> 01:21:22.444
[SPEAKER_01]: They were just trying to get up on the thing all three baby phases after the heat got crouched on the railing outside at the same time and then it became the house to torture match that we all know.

01:21:23.926 --> 01:21:29.734
[SPEAKER_00]: there you have it all right so next we had a singles batch and this is an intergender singles match so we had

01:21:30.558 --> 01:21:38.150
[SPEAKER_00]: Saya Kamatani, probably the Tokyo Sports MVP this year, barring some sort of misogyny issues.

01:21:38.851 --> 01:21:39.853
[SPEAKER_00]: She is the clear choice.

01:21:40.474 --> 01:21:41.355
[SPEAKER_00]: And she is out there.

01:21:41.395 --> 01:21:51.472
[SPEAKER_00]: She is the Red Belt Champion for Stardom, the biggest star in Joe, she wrestling, one of the biggest stars in mainstream because of her appearances on national television.

01:21:52.193 --> 01:21:56.059
[SPEAKER_00]: And she is the NJPW strong champion and she was facing.

01:21:56.613 --> 01:21:58.800
[SPEAKER_00]: You drew Taka Hashie.

01:21:58.820 --> 01:22:01.469
[SPEAKER_00]: So what on gods earth happened here?

01:22:02.794 --> 01:22:05.543
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, so I got to heat early, and you...

01:22:06.164 --> 01:22:20.221
[SPEAKER_01]: You drew perceived to beat her with the rudimentary offer, like slapping her and kicking her, like all the things that like make you uncomfortable if you're watching it in Western wrestling, it was just a typical beat down until she got defined.

01:22:20.241 --> 01:22:23.645
[SPEAKER_01]: It's like, oh no, you are not going to be doing this to me.

01:22:23.965 --> 01:22:28.531
[SPEAKER_00]: And so she's who said who said this was the crowd on during this measure?

01:22:28.551 --> 01:22:29.552
[SPEAKER_01]: They were on both.

01:22:30.113 --> 01:22:31.935
[SPEAKER_01]: Now, like they were just in for a fight.

01:22:33.839 --> 01:22:55.611
[SPEAKER_01]: If that makes any sense like they wanted to know, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,

01:22:55.591 --> 01:22:57.853
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, usual camp put her down a flat.

01:22:57.873 --> 01:22:59.394
[SPEAKER_01]: She slaps the taste out of its mouth.

01:22:59.815 --> 01:23:02.858
[SPEAKER_01]: You duck the wearing and hit the drop kick and then a splash to the outside.

01:23:03.278 --> 01:23:07.062
[SPEAKER_01]: Then they're going while until you drill fans and sciat kicks the rest.

01:23:08.103 --> 01:23:14.348
[SPEAKER_01]: Then the rest of hate start beating up you drill while the rest of down and sciat goes for a pin, but doesn't get it.

01:23:14.949 --> 01:23:23.877
[SPEAKER_01]: When sciat goes to the top rope, chase pop, turning you drill, trying for the pin.

01:23:24.835 --> 01:23:45.248
[SPEAKER_01]: At the time he gets the the ref gets knocked again and then hate coming back into the ring because ask even more inspiration paid to face black house torture then comes out to fight the hate group and the rest throw the whole thing out and the crowd boots.

01:23:45.268 --> 01:23:47.031
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, what I miss though.

01:23:48.073 --> 01:23:51.298
[SPEAKER_01]: It was interesting to some extent because

01:23:51.650 --> 01:24:00.685
[SPEAKER_01]: Like the crowd was in the side of Comitani, they were in the Yudro, they didn't like the Yudro was getting beaten up by all these women and clearly getting double teams.

01:24:00.805 --> 01:24:07.356
[SPEAKER_01]: And how the torture came to make the save, it was almost a baby-faced save against all of these women from hate.

01:24:07.897 --> 01:24:09.260
[SPEAKER_01]: So when did they do the damage?

01:24:09.761 --> 01:24:13.607
[SPEAKER_00]: Did test torture chase hate off or did they actually beat them up?

01:24:13.587 --> 01:24:14.830
[SPEAKER_01]: They chased them off.

01:24:14.930 --> 01:24:27.518
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, he was in the ring and then spray painted you drill and you're laying it into them because, you know, the optics were like, these are women totally making you drill pay for the way that he treated women over the years.

01:24:27.618 --> 01:24:33.030
[SPEAKER_01]: So they're like this weird dynamic thing where, like, everyone kind of got

01:24:34.073 --> 01:24:52.268
[SPEAKER_01]: the the car McRetribution that like for the audience everybody got kind of something that like oh yeah now that you've getting that for this they're getting this for that and everybody like oh okay whatever's going on here so ref throw off the whole thing out evil come out

01:24:52.737 --> 01:25:09.008
[SPEAKER_01]: And he's like, what the hell, you can't even be say a comatonie like you and I are going to have a match and I'm and I get you out of this like whole group like this is not happening so evil and you drove that have a match and

01:25:10.405 --> 01:25:26.829
[SPEAKER_01]: Nick made me turn into a clusterfuck where all the house torture guys all beat each other up hit their finisher did all their moves whiskey bottles steps and then they all made up and decided to refer to the variant.

01:25:26.849 --> 01:25:34.740
[SPEAKER_01]: And the crowd shared and they all walked away and then Stephen the weird thing that I can possibly tell you happened so.

01:25:36.843 --> 01:25:38.826
[SPEAKER_01]: All of the house torture to the back.

01:25:39.262 --> 01:25:40.864
[SPEAKER_01]: the broadcast is still going.

01:25:41.845 --> 01:25:47.753
[SPEAKER_01]: The crowd is rumbling and they're chanting over and over and over.

01:25:47.813 --> 01:26:02.232
[SPEAKER_01]: The word evil evil evil evil evil evil gonna freaking curtain call because the crowd demanded he come back out and say goodbye to them one more time.

01:26:02.650 --> 01:26:03.852
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, there you go.

01:26:03.872 --> 01:26:08.500
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, you know, they have they have the underground fans the underground fan base for House of torture.

01:26:08.520 --> 01:26:09.962
[SPEAKER_00]: They all came out of the court and all.

01:26:10.483 --> 01:26:20.760
[SPEAKER_01]: We We were It was it applicable to us that they were doing the show right like you just seemed like they're doing the show like they're really doing the specialty shows.

01:26:21.080 --> 01:26:22.302
[SPEAKER_01]: They did it one for Desperado.

01:26:22.322 --> 01:26:28.152
[SPEAKER_01]: They're doing them for a she-more, you know, here they're in everywhere They did it for their like shitty champions show

01:26:28.570 --> 01:26:30.031
[SPEAKER_01]: and made Doug for per site.

01:26:30.332 --> 01:26:34.335
[SPEAKER_01]: I did not see it being one of the more successful shows that they did.

01:26:35.877 --> 01:26:38.319
[SPEAKER_00]: And they've all been successful though, haven't they?

01:26:38.339 --> 01:26:42.563
[SPEAKER_00]: It seems like the fans are kind of into these wrestler specific events.

01:26:42.963 --> 01:26:43.844
[SPEAKER_00]: They do well.

01:26:44.044 --> 01:26:44.905
[SPEAKER_00]: They do well.

01:26:44.945 --> 01:26:57.497
[SPEAKER_01]: Talk to H. E. E. E. E. E. E. E. E. E. E. E. E. E. E. E. E. E. E. E. E. E. E. E. E. E. E. E. E. E. E. E. E. E. E. E. E. E. E. E. E. E. E. E. E. E. E. E. E. E. E. E. E. E. E. E. E. E. E. E. E. E. E. E. E. E. E. E. E. E. E. E. E. E. E. E. E. E. E. E.

01:26:58.456 --> 01:27:03.082
[SPEAKER_00]: But I guess in a city of 40 million, they know there are about a 1500 house of torture.

01:27:03.103 --> 01:27:08.670
[SPEAKER_00]: For probably more than that, I'm just saying that it's interesting to me that they will so enthusiastically show up for these.

01:27:09.732 --> 01:27:11.074
[SPEAKER_00]: That there is something a little different.

01:27:11.614 --> 01:27:13.397
[SPEAKER_01]: For me, this is incredibly education.

01:27:13.998 --> 01:27:27.737
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, I watched it and I just got a lot of insight into what the fandom like, you know, New Japan, what they're showing up for for New Japan and that evil has the crowd falling

01:27:28.291 --> 01:27:31.976
[SPEAKER_01]: the new kind of bullet club in a way where it's like, it's the hot group.

01:27:32.417 --> 01:27:41.310
[SPEAKER_01]: It's the hot group to like, if you want to be the bad guy, if you want to like empathize with the bad guy, you've empathized with how the torture not won't come.

01:27:42.472 --> 01:27:43.133
[SPEAKER_00]: Here we go.

01:27:43.153 --> 01:27:44.916
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, all right, let's just keep mind.

01:27:44.936 --> 01:27:47.600
[SPEAKER_00]: We just had one of the roughest years, the attendance wise we've ever had.

01:27:47.660 --> 01:27:51.365
[SPEAKER_00]: So the nobody's nobody in New Japan is that over quite yet.

01:27:51.385 --> 01:27:55.952
[SPEAKER_01]: So let's say I cannot, I cannot empathize with

01:27:56.557 --> 01:27:58.139
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, well, that's 1500 people.

01:27:58.379 --> 01:28:00.662
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, we need a lot more than that to make a living on this joint.

01:28:00.682 --> 01:28:03.006
[SPEAKER_00]: So I'm glad they had a good night.

01:28:03.206 --> 01:28:04.267
[SPEAKER_00]: I am glad they had a good night.

01:28:04.548 --> 01:28:07.451
[SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, we'll see what we'll see who else.

01:28:07.491 --> 01:28:10.355
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, this is just going to encourage them to do more of these.

01:28:10.415 --> 01:28:12.979
[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm not even arguing with the idea of doing another perch night.

01:28:13.039 --> 01:28:13.379
[SPEAKER_00]: They should.

01:28:14.100 --> 01:28:16.443
[SPEAKER_00]: If it was this successful and people had this much fun with it.

01:28:16.463 --> 01:28:19.367
[SPEAKER_00]: But the success of Ishimori getting ridiculous.

01:28:19.567 --> 01:28:20.809
[SPEAKER_00]: And

01:28:20.789 --> 01:28:24.894
[SPEAKER_00]: Disparados, you know, the death pain thing and talk about Tahiti Mania.

01:28:25.315 --> 01:28:31.142
[SPEAKER_00]: When these things continually sell out, it's just more signal to the company that there isn't audience for this.

01:28:31.223 --> 01:28:50.087
[SPEAKER_00]: And I think we're going to be seeing more of these little $20 paper views stuck in a middle of the week and whether people buy them on NJPW world or not, it was certainly a good decision to have the show in live anyway.

01:28:50.438 --> 01:28:54.883
[SPEAKER_01]: I give it a thumb up up if you want to wait until it becomes available.

01:28:54.903 --> 01:28:56.645
[SPEAKER_01]: Not for pay preview and check it out.

01:28:56.665 --> 01:29:00.249
[SPEAKER_01]: It's like February when nothing's going on and you're bored.

01:29:00.730 --> 01:29:05.716
[SPEAKER_01]: Totally checking out at some point just for curiosity for reactions and all these things.

01:29:06.397 --> 01:29:16.328
[SPEAKER_01]: It's not going to change your life kind of show, but for content and talking it through with you and just for educational purposes, I kind of think it was $20 worth of spending.

01:29:16.713 --> 01:29:18.136
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, well, for an end to enjoy it, too.

01:29:18.156 --> 01:29:19.439
[SPEAKER_00]: It's an excellent moment, T-sets.

01:29:19.520 --> 01:29:20.141
[SPEAKER_00]: So there you go.

01:29:20.742 --> 01:29:33.372
[SPEAKER_00]: All right, so once again, just to cover things real quick, we have Saturday in Kanagawa, Monday, it'll be back in Tokyo with Machita City gym, and then Tuesday, Fukushima, Wednesday, Sendai, and we will be back here.

01:29:33.993 --> 01:30:00.574
[SPEAKER_00]: at a regular time with a recorded show after that Wednesday so so we'll be up to date on world tagly when we reconvene just won't be alive show because I'm traveling it's a national holiday here in the states and we'll get all that worked out for you but we'll have coverage and we will have up to date coverage a world tagly don't forget also power bombshells back here at one p.m. Eastern on Sunday and you've got your show coming up with kila around the AEW pay

01:30:00.554 --> 01:30:05.259
[SPEAKER_00]: Paul Fontaine, we're back with the Dynamite Show, he and Jeff Hawkins after each episode of Dynamite.

01:30:06.220 --> 01:30:13.567
[SPEAKER_00]: Whatever it is that you are into in pro wrestling, there's too much content to watch it all, but fight game media can cover it all for you.

01:30:13.607 --> 01:30:15.469
[SPEAKER_00]: And Fernando says, thank you, happy Thanksgiving.

01:30:15.489 --> 01:30:16.390
[SPEAKER_00]: Thank you very much, Fernando.

01:30:16.410 --> 01:30:20.114
[SPEAKER_00]: I appreciate it, and happy Thanksgiving to all of you if he's celebrate.

01:30:20.774 --> 01:30:24.338
[SPEAKER_00]: And thanks to everyone who joined us here in Nick Reeves, really glad to have you here.

01:30:24.718 --> 01:30:28.702
[SPEAKER_00]: Whenever you can join us, Maria, thanks for being here as well.

01:30:29.022 --> 01:30:30.544
[SPEAKER_00]: And it was just great to talk

01:30:30.524 --> 01:30:31.546
[SPEAKER_00]: and I'm going to be back.

01:30:33.250 --> 01:30:34.532
[SPEAKER_01]: Glad you're back to you, dude.

01:30:35.174 --> 01:30:37.959
[SPEAKER_01]: It's going to be good time for the next few weeks as we are.

01:30:39.422 --> 01:30:48.060
[SPEAKER_01]: Help down to probably one of the coolest wrestle kingdom moments uh we're going to get to experience in our time covering the funcest.

01:30:48.310 --> 01:30:54.877
[SPEAKER_00]: The foam was real from this and as somebody who's been to Japan a few times boy, this is going to be a good time to be over there.

01:30:54.897 --> 01:30:55.598
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm really happy for you.

01:30:55.618 --> 01:30:56.519
[SPEAKER_00]: I think you're going to have a voice.

01:30:56.539 --> 01:30:57.760
[SPEAKER_01]: I just got very, very lucky.

01:30:57.780 --> 01:30:59.903
[SPEAKER_01]: Man, it just all started online.

01:30:59.923 --> 01:31:00.603
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah.

01:31:00.663 --> 01:31:03.426
[SPEAKER_00]: No, but you deserve to have a great time with this thing.

01:31:03.446 --> 01:31:04.387
[SPEAKER_00]: I think I think you're good.

01:31:04.908 --> 01:31:05.929
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not worried about it.

01:31:05.989 --> 01:31:07.311
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not worried about it.

01:31:07.331 --> 01:31:07.731
[SPEAKER_00]: All right.

01:31:07.771 --> 01:31:11.315
[SPEAKER_00]: So with that in mind, we will be back next week for Jeremy Feiston.

01:31:11.375 --> 01:31:12.116
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm Stephen Conway.

01:31:12.436 --> 01:31:17.001
[SPEAKER_00]: Thank you very much for joining us on speaking of strong style and we will talk to you again.