Vince McMahon Sr. & Andy Kaufman Pass Away, Tony Khan & Triple H Worshipping | Observe This!

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[SPEAKER_04]: All right, we're back.

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[SPEAKER_04]: We made it back to observe this.

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[SPEAKER_04]: We're talking, nineteen eighty four.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's been a long time.

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[SPEAKER_04]: It has been.

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[SPEAKER_04]: It's been probably like a month and a half July.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It was before I went to a Texas for a limb and that was a while back.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that was like a month ago.

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[SPEAKER_04]: You know, this stuff is, you know, we don't have to be on a deadline here.

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[SPEAKER_04]: We're just talking old school, rasslin, but, you know, we are in a period with, in nineteen eighty four through the lens of the observer were a very

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[SPEAKER_04]: Like newsworthy thing happens during this time frame that we're covering it that I was kind of even shocked to read even though I know this time frame and I I should have expected it, but it's still shocked me when I read the issue.

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[SPEAKER_04]: But before we even get to that, I want to ask you a question.

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[SPEAKER_04]: So you live in LA.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I imagine

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[SPEAKER_04]: And but actually I don't know this about you.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Are you like a comedy guy?

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[SPEAKER_04]: Do you go to comedy shows because I know L.A.

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[SPEAKER_04]: has like some of the classic comedy clubs out there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I have, I may be a ticket for granted.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, you asked me that question.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I would say that I'm not going weekly, but I've gone more than most people I would assume.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, because we have the comedy story here.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We have the laugh factory, which is another classic comedy venue.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, we have a bunch of them.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I would say at least like six or seven that are well known.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So yes, I have.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Okay, so the reason for this question is because one of the things that

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[SPEAKER_04]: my wife and I do that we have a local comedy club in Sunnyvale where I live and every once in a while someone will come through that she knows from podcast or somebody that you know may have this you know it's comedy special that that we we have have watched or something but also sometimes

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[SPEAKER_04]: You know, it might be a slow weekend and they're given out free tickets and we just roll through like just not even knowing who's going to be in it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So that's what I mean, but they get you when you're in there though.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, because you buy a couple drinks and you have to from what I like like you want to support like I want to support this comedy club.

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[SPEAKER_04]: So that exists as long as it possibly can't for sure.

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[SPEAKER_04]: So

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[SPEAKER_04]: We went tonight as we're recording this.

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[SPEAKER_04]: We went tonight.

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[SPEAKER_04]: And I like sometimes I like not knowing who we're going to see because you then you kind of like surprised.

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[SPEAKER_04]: So we saw this really funny lady.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Her name is Ali.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Ali mixed something.

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[SPEAKER_04]: my thought was because I have been to comedy clubs local comedy clubs in the Bay Area.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Obviously not as not as well known or or whatever is LA, but San Francisco has some really good one.

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[SPEAKER_04]: San Jose has a good one.

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[SPEAKER_04]: My question to you is have you been to a comedy show?

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[SPEAKER_04]: And there was somebody who you went to see that sort of like within the next six months to a year, all of a sudden they take their act from the local comedy show and they're blowing up, they're on TV, they're in like, you know, they're doing arenas, like have you have you seen them kind of come through and then blow up afterwards?

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[SPEAKER_00]: No, I mean, I've seen comics who have got in their own show, like there was this one guy.

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[SPEAKER_00]: His name is Luis Kignones.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He did the show on who looked called this fool, which is a pretty damn good show.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I saw maybe about four years ago, like when he was just opening up, I went to see, actually it was before that, because I went to see Gilbert Gottfried, because he was in my bucket list.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I love that guy, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I want to see him and that guy Luis can notice opened up for him.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think that's his name.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Sorry if I get in the wrong name.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But he was, yeah, so then later on when he did when we saw him on the me and my brother saw him on that one show this fool or like, that's the guy, you know, but I want to say that he blew up.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's still kind of used to those.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I still see him pop up on flyers because because one trip thing about here too is that they still old school flyer the town.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, like, like, you know, I'll be driving and I'll see like on the telephone posters like, oh, tonight in the comedy is very much like an Indie show.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, I was in Indie show.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, for sure.

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[SPEAKER_04]: You know, yeah, you know, going to a comedy show or comedy club, the clubs like Bruno Cemartino, you.

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[SPEAKER_04]: That's right.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I've seen two, I can remember two where I have this memory of seeing them and then not that much longer, they kind of take it to a different level.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Now, Joe Koy, this, this is years and years and years ago, I used to hear Joe Koy on the podcast circuit because it's very popular on the podcast circuit.

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[SPEAKER_04]: He'd be on a podcast and he'd do his little bits and he'd create characters.

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[SPEAKER_04]: So he runs through San Jose at the San Jose improv and we get to see him do his stick.

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[SPEAKER_04]: And very soon thereafter, he's like doing big arenas like, you know, going from a three hundred to five hundred seat comedy club to like a giant arena.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I would never go see a common guy in the arena.

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[SPEAKER_04]: No, you know, me neither.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I feel like such a mark if I did that like I like.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Like the the the the way to do it is to go to your local comedy show but not all the top comics are gonna like the one I missed out on was a couple years ago are sitting a hall decided to run through to do a couple shots and I was like oh all times for me to miss a show like our center wall yet at the chase or something.

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[SPEAKER_04]: No through the local.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, well, you didn't miss out.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, was so bummed I couldn't go, but anyway, so joke was one the other one.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Crystal and I are very early in our dating life.

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[SPEAKER_04]: So this is probably twenty nineteen and Nicky Glager runs through San Jose improv and we go and see her and I'm like, okay, this woman is like obviously a little

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[SPEAKER_04]: a little too too good for for this this club here she needs to be bigger and doing more stuff and then that is like six months later she's like you know on night on late night shows and you know hosting stuff and I was like

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[SPEAKER_04]: That's exactly where she deserves to be because she's she was awesome But sometimes they'll kind of come back to like they'll they'll do like the big stuff, but they kind of like to They like to say like they like to test out their new stuff sometimes and they'll go to the local stuff

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[SPEAKER_04]: like Whitney Cummings came through and I missed her of people like that who are like really successful, but maybe not like Hollywood successful, but going, you know, going to our local thing.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I like to see that people come through because I'm like, huh, I wonder, you know, you kind of like go, almost like if you're watching a young wrestler and you're like,

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, like with the top, like the PWG error that I supported, you know, all those guys, they all became top guys in WWE or WWE.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then you saw them when they're like, you know, because back then, PWG was drawing like, maybe a hundred and fifty people at a gym, you know?

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[SPEAKER_00]: So it's like anything, you know, you support the local band, the local comedian, the local wrestler.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then when they blow up, same thing with filmmakers, you remember like with filmmakers?

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[SPEAKER_00]: like, like, I mean, James Gunn, you know, he was like a sloppy film maker, you know, with just doing these films that were like so like gore or one eye.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Now he's like a multi billionaire running, you know, Warner Bros.

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[SPEAKER_00]: DC portion of Warner.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Do you like Superman?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, it wasn't for me, but I could see what people liked it.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Did you like Superman or fantastic for better?

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[SPEAKER_00]: I like fantastic for better, but it flop, so it doesn't matter.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I'm like either or like they were pretty close, like if I was to lean more to like

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[SPEAKER_04]: my style of movie, fantastic for like a little bit better.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Superman had a little bit of a message to it, which was kind of cool at the same time.

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[SPEAKER_04]: But yeah, they were both fine.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But I wasn't expecting it to be that silly.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It was just too silly for me.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Because I'm used to like the Zack Snyder version of Superman with the other, the whole other side of the spectrum, where it's like very serious.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And some people would say downright the pressing, you know.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But I like those character studies.

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[SPEAKER_00]: This is my thing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I gravitate more towards that superman than the cartoony version of the one we got.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Where were you on the side of the argument when it came to did Superman sell too much in that movie?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yeah, he sold.

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[SPEAKER_00]: If I liked it or not, I mean, that he's just the idea that he sold that like were you in?

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know what?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Because I'm not, this is, I'm going to take one of your stands, one of your very popular stands, because I'm just an observer and I'm not really a fan.

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[SPEAKER_00]: To me, it doesn't really matter.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I was just, I was more focused on the story as somebody who has filmmaking experience or whatnot, and the story was okay.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It wasn't anything too big.

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[SPEAKER_04]: But you were happy that they didn't go back to the origin story that we've seen.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, we don't have to see that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I appreciated the, the, the, the heel turn.

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[SPEAKER_00]: from the parents, which I thought was a very, very unique way to give us more of a development from Superman, because we never had that before.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, it's always been the parents kind of support him and come and help out here and then it's like, no, you got a common nice boy.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's what you got to go to earth for.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so I thought I gave him a new dimension, you know, so I think what he's going to get to explore with Supergirl comes out next year.

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[SPEAKER_04]: You know, all right, we weren't here to talk comedy in movies, but I thought it was, uh, there's a nice little icebreaker here as we get into, nineteen, eighty-four.

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[SPEAKER_04]: So we're in in the summertime, you know, the, the, the junish time frame, Julyish time frame.

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[SPEAKER_04]: It's kind of hard to figure it out because Dave's

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[SPEAKER_04]: Like he's still writing, uh, I think he's about on a three every three weeks.

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[SPEAKER_04]: He, he will have a new issue out time frame.

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[SPEAKER_04]: So previously before this, it was once a month, he shortened it to every three weeks.

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[SPEAKER_04]: So that's where we are right now as far as he started to make money.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's what that means.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_04]: And also.

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[SPEAKER_04]: the issues were getting so big.

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[SPEAKER_04]: And so if the issues are getting so big, you need to charge and you got to raise prices.

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[SPEAKER_04]: And so I think he was trying to figure out a way to, you know, make the consumers feel like they were getting their value for their dollar at the same time.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, he didn't have a lot of them because he still had to have another full-time job during this time.

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[SPEAKER_04]: All right.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Here's the news that even though I knew, just reading it shocked me.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Vince McMahon senior dies.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_04]: There's no preamble.

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[SPEAKER_04]: There's no, you know, Vince seniors been sick for, you know, four months or for a couple of weeks.

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[SPEAKER_04]: It's just after, you know, we just got through David about Eric dying.

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[SPEAKER_04]: And now Vince McMahon senior passes away and

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[SPEAKER_04]: obviously know the story, but just thinking about like this timeframe, I was like, oh, yeah, this exact, this is what happens.

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[SPEAKER_04]: And you know what's interesting?

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[SPEAKER_04]: I did an episode of Rustam's a radio with Big Dave and one of the reader questions or the listener questions was just as like crazy hypothetical, which was

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[SPEAKER_04]: if Vince senior and Vince Junior never connect like what happens?

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[SPEAKER_04]: Who is the next person in line to run WWF?

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[SPEAKER_04]: And the answer, the right hand man is one of your favorites, Gorilla Monsoon.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Of course, Gino, yeah.

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[SPEAKER_04]: And so then what how does he that what is what is Gorilla do?

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[SPEAKER_04]: in and Dave, Dave basically Dave said grill is a little bit more old school.

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[SPEAKER_04]: He's going to lean towards the bigger guys, but he's not going to have the idea of like we're taking over.

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[SPEAKER_04]: He's going to be more friend.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, do you know what he's going to follow the format of in senior, which was the, you know, bring the hills and the loop, you know, watch, rinse repeat.

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[SPEAKER_00]: you know, which work for then senior for years and years and years.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And that's what gorilla knew, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's what he knew.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So he was in a state with that at the same time.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Gino was one of those guys that had a lot of honor amongst teams.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know how they have that saying like he was a guy that respected a lot of the boundaries.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so he would have just kind of stayed in his territory.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Ultimately, what I think would happen because he was he also wasn't gonna adapt because he was older and he was more traditional.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Eventually, one of the bigger, whether it was Watts or Crockett, they were probably gonna take over New York, you know?

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's what happened.

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[SPEAKER_00]: eventually later on down the road.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But that's such a butterfly effect that we don't even know where they would be without this junior.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So for how we know that, because the cable system is really what killed the territories, it wasn't really been a junior.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So one of them was going to go national.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And that's what the consumer was going to watch.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And that's what they were going to accept.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And whomever that was, was going to eat up all the same thing that Vince did, except maybe not in that same route, you know?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Because Kate, Kate, cable kill the territories.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So as somebody was going to land on cable.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And even even if that territory didn't want to go national, they were going to go national because of the demand because they were on national television, you know?

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[SPEAKER_04]: Did somebody was gonna just go like all of a sudden we're reaching people halfway across the U.S.

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[SPEAKER_04]: What if we ran a show?

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[SPEAKER_04]: Would we be able to draw?

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[SPEAKER_04]: And once you start playing that game, you're at the engines are starting.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, but it was going to be, I could almost see it as almost against their own will.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, like the promoter would be like, well, I don't want it, like, because they all wanted to follow the little structure they had.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So eventually, one of them was just going to do it by default.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then that who knows what would happen from there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm sure that person would have had hits and on him as well.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe they would have said hardly race to go break his leg.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh man.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But if it was Bill Watts, shit, that ain't happening.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Well, Dave's thought on Bill Watts was just that he had the unfortunate scenario, geographically of just being in Oklahoma and you'd rather be in New York or you'd rather be in the Carolina than being in Oklahoma if you're going to try and start your, or if you're going to try and drive business.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, this did definitely have the territory that, you know, one that that was already an advantage being in New York City or whatever.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, you know, and they will never let you forget because you know, Dave Hates Vincent that with WF and WWE.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So the evil empires as Brian says Dave's always calling the WWE.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Well, we're definitely going to talk about some some current day, WWE in the second half of this show, but so so you know who else dies right around this same time.

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[SPEAKER_04]: So we're, you know, it's probably within the month.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I don't know the exact days.

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[SPEAKER_04]: the other person who passes away and somebody as well who is, you know, sort of influential, obviously not as important as Vince Sr.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Andy Kaufman dies.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Right after he got word going to a central South America and they worked them on taking off the taking out the cancer.

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[SPEAKER_04]: So do you remember when you first saw the Andy Kaufman and David Letterman?

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[SPEAKER_04]: Oh, I was too young.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I kind of would ask them when I was a teenager.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, but so it was okay.

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[SPEAKER_04]: So I did, I mean, I didn't, I wasn't in trying to think about as teenagers or not.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Okay, but when you first saw it,

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[SPEAKER_00]: I could tell, okay, so I could tell when I first saw it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I saw it in that comedy sensual special.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, that they ran with the one that day, I, I would never forget they didn't really rob in Williams.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's in there protecting K. Fave all the way by the way.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's talking about, are you trying to talk a lot of it, but yeah, and did you ever see that special?

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[SPEAKER_00]: So it's the famous special.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I don't remember it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's a comedy central special.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It probably came on in the early nineties.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And it's all about that feud.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And that's the first time that I got exposed to that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then later on through the magazines, history, internet, tape trading, I got to see the entire feud developed.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Okay, but when you saw it, did you wonder if it was

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[SPEAKER_04]: Real or fake or were you already aware enough by that time frame.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That was already aware enough.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I was already aware enough and and I was such a Joe Lollard mark very early on as well talking like ninety four ninety five.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so I already knew, I already knew that it was a work.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And what I didn't know, let me tell you what I didn't know to bring him back full circle, because both of these, they died around the same time.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I didn't know that Andy Kaufman was going to Memphis was Plan B, because originally he wanted to do this in New York.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then senior was like, no, that's too silly for this territory.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And he rejected them, you know?

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[SPEAKER_04]: And especially a big man, territory, and Andy Kaufman is, he's not short guy, but he's just a skinny guy.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's a skinny guy.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, easy.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Now, I'm there is a part of the story that I forget somebody referred him to Memphis and I for somebody from and I'm sure they know this.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe I got it from them.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm sure I got it from Dave, but think it was after wasn't it after?

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know what you're right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that sounds about right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So when he got rejected with New York, somebody referring to Memphis and then, yeah, Jerry Lotto do anything with anyone.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So, you know, the rest is history, but yeah, and then obviously they ran there so long that, you know, it ended up kind of like becoming like whatever.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, kind of like how Logan Paul's becoming, you know?

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[SPEAKER_04]: He's got a big match of John Cena coming up that I was like, really this was one of our last matches that John Cena's going to have the one we didn't ask for Logan.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, they had to pull it up because once they want to fuck with a W. So they saved that one for you know, the one that really matters on the same day as all out.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_04]: So the this is kind of funny in the way that how how time works in nineteen eighty four.

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[SPEAKER_04]: So we talked about the last steps of brick flare had already gotten the belt back from carry on Eric and things were back to normal.

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[SPEAKER_04]: But Dave writes saying that here's how kind of the the way that you know time travels.

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[SPEAKER_04]: He says so

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[SPEAKER_04]: He believes the treatment of the belt with the short tidal rain may make it lose its luster.

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[SPEAKER_04]: So the eighteen day tidal rain that carries on air got from Rick Flair and then Rick Flair won it back in Japan, by the way, best of three falls match.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Dave thinks

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[SPEAKER_04]: You know, this is a very significant belt and the fact that you lose it so quickly after you win it, the belt in of itself or the title is actually hurt.

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[SPEAKER_04]: He said, it wasn't announced on Georgia TV until June second.

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[SPEAKER_04]: But by June second, Flare already had to belt back.

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[SPEAKER_04]: So carry on, Eric's title change win wasn't announced on their television, Georgia's television until after Rick had already got to belt back.

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[SPEAKER_04]: So just the time travel, the time, time was flying.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Those is smaller world back then.

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[SPEAKER_04]: So Dave also thought they could switch the title again.

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[SPEAKER_04]: because the NWA was going to put on a big show at the Orange Bowl and the big show at the Orange Bowl was there to counter WWE F show.

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[SPEAKER_04]: So we're in this world today of twenty twenty five forty one years later.

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[SPEAKER_04]: And the talk of the town that you just mentioned is counter programming against big shows.

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[SPEAKER_04]: And here we are in nineteen eighty four.

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[SPEAKER_04]: WWE is going national.

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[SPEAKER_04]: They're going in a territories and Florida Championship Wrestling is like, we need help.

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[SPEAKER_04]: We need to run a crazy show.

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[SPEAKER_04]: because they're coming into our our dates in in our town.

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[SPEAKER_04]: We have to like not allow them to bully us.

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[SPEAKER_04]: And so Rick Flair is going into this this big match at the Orange Bowl as a champion and Dave's like.

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[SPEAKER_04]: They may do another title change because they need something to fight off.

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[SPEAKER_04]: W. F coming into their territory.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, what's going to wrestle?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Who's there for a guy at this time?

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, it wasn't, it wasn't dusty anymore, because dusty is already with pocket.

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[SPEAKER_04]: So the show doesn't happen yet, and I'm not skipping ahead.

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[SPEAKER_04]: So we will proceed to the next week.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Uh, I thought it was like, or maybe window or something like that, but I don't remember.

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[SPEAKER_00]: No, because when I'm sending WF at this point, okay, it can be a window.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's we saw what they're doing with the, with Mike Rotando.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Okay, this early.

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[SPEAKER_04]: He's already there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, so he's on his way, but he's also too young, like he's not the windom that we wouldn't know right after he's run with Ritando.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe one of the bristles will see.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm trying to think about the Florida guys that were over enough to headline a show like that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: you know, but you know what's interesting about that statement from David is that we already had a president because first of all dusty roads is rains were all very short, you know, they were maybe a couple weeks, three weeks, maybe the most a couple months.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So dusty had already switched the title.

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[SPEAKER_00]: a few times with short rains in the early eighties, and then also we had the infamous Tommy Rich one, which was also a short rain.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I don't know why they would think this is kind of like the end of the off because we already had a president with that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: A few times actually with dusty and Tommy Rich getting those short rains.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Even Rick Flair's first ring wasn't that long either, because he just felt he wasn't ready.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But who knows, maybe he sees the competition getting stiffer with Hogan on top and yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And he feels like now you really have to protect the belt, you know, because Hogan wouldn't drop it to a D eight.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So he had a long as right.

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[SPEAKER_04]: So the NWA also runs a show in the metal land.

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[SPEAKER_04]: So this is there infringing on the WWE F territory.

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[SPEAKER_04]: And the only television they have which we talked about before is Spanish language.

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[SPEAKER_04]: And so they did actually run what we would consider today a successful show they did thirteen k but compared to WF they did.

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[SPEAKER_04]: eight point five thousand less so it's actually seen it wasn't seen as like a giant success in any way because they did so much less than wf and they that show was headline by flaren steamboat and Dave said that the reports of flaren steamboat were slightly disappointing

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[SPEAKER_00]: I was going to say that we're younger, but they weren't that younger.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That was because they started giving in the late seventies.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So by this foundation, they had their acts together.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and then Stimbor would be on his way out because he wasn't one of Dusty's guys.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So maybe he just didn't give a fuck at the end.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's like, you know what?

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm on my way out.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm gonna go become the other dragon.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, I'm going to get dropped on my head by Jake the snake.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, man.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, but yeah, so that's, I don't know.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's probably enough night.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, really, really had them, but I'm sure he did once in a while.

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[SPEAKER_04]: So supposedly the junkyard dog was to face Jose Gonzalez, the infamous one.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Uh, but he knows showed.

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[SPEAKER_04]: And Dave's Dave wrote that it was after a conversation with Jim Crocket.

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[SPEAKER_04]: What that conversation was about, he didn't really mention, so maybe there's more information there, but JaywayD decided not to go to that show and be on that show.

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[SPEAKER_04]: And so somebody who we know and love is finally going to make his debut in WWE F Jesse the body Ventura leaves AWA with no warning whatsoever just gone just ready to go and Dave writes that Tony Atlas was either fired

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[SPEAKER_04]: or he no showed and he is also gone from WWF.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Tony Atlas is he's talked about these like that moment before.

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[SPEAKER_04]: He's he said stuff like he thought maybe he was going to be the guy instead of hogin.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I don't know about that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There's a lot.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Well look, this is Tony.

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[SPEAKER_04]: This is this is what Tony is saying.

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[SPEAKER_04]: And then he mentions, you know, just being, you know, fired or

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[SPEAKER_04]: being booked out of the territory or whatever.

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[SPEAKER_04]: But when I was younger and I saw what this dude looked like, I was like, this is the most impressive human I've ever seen in my entire life.

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[SPEAKER_04]: And this is, you know, eighty, three, eighty four.

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[SPEAKER_04]: And I'm a rocky kid, right?

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[SPEAKER_04]: So I'm in that world of Stallone's body just changing.

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[SPEAKER_04]: And so I look at Tony Atlas and I'm just thinking like, how is this guy not the champ?

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[SPEAKER_04]: He just looks like he should be the champ.

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[SPEAKER_04]: And little did I know of all of the issues that he would have.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you were being influenced by that kind of world.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_04]: So here's the thing.

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[SPEAKER_04]: And I don't know if you heard about this.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Supposedly.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Now, this is today.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Supposedly Tony Atlas tried to do a eulogy for Hulk Hogan at like an independent show.

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[SPEAKER_04]: and they booed and he just quit doing the eulogy.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I think that was in today's observer.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Like, we're trying to do something for Hogan, the fans booed and he just stopped.

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[SPEAKER_04]: He's like, okay, I quit.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I'm not doing this thing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, I mean, I think the, I mean, I part would done the same thing, but it just weird that he would try to do that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Why wasn't like so random, you know?

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They never, they never had the repetition of being friends.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe just casuals.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then he, you know, as an African American man, I mean, I don't know what kind of opinions he had on hold in, but that was weird.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You're right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Did you watch any of that vent stuff?

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[SPEAKER_00]: The documentaries are out.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: No, I haven't had a chance to watch them.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Not the Fox one or the other's two of them, right?

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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, there's two.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, it's a love.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's a fluffy.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I got I got really burned out on that untold bullshit man.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't want to see any of that stuff.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I see I haven't seen haven't watched the the last episode, but I'm entertained because I think it's very well produced, but it's of course.

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[SPEAKER_04]: It's it's the it's a narrative of a narrative.

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[SPEAKER_04]: So it's it's kind of interesting.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But then like but then I see but then I see your boy like Bill Simmons marking off for it and he's a casual fan.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's why.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But he's also a reporter.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He should know better.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know what I'm saying?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, and then also like Ariel Hoani, he's marking his like, Oh, come on, like you guys know that.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, that's a little that's a little different.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, they both are.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't build sentences.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You're there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They're both equally up their ass.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, and his business, I get it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: His business.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They both, they're both tywin Nikon.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, I think Nikon probably represented both on my one time.

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[SPEAKER_04]: He's not Bill's agent, but there's definitely like a

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[SPEAKER_04]: I don't know if there's a relationship there, but, you know, Nick Khan is somehow liked by just about everybody.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So, you know what, I would say it comes on as a cool dude.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Because I've been watching a lot of, he does fascinate me, because every interview, because he's very smart, but he's also

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[SPEAKER_00]: There's that like that sneaky smart you know what I'm saying that corporate smart he knows what to say But he's also a guy that when cuz he had you know you know what what's a very good interview, but it's you would have to get over the fact that Stephanie McMahon is the one interviewing him

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[SPEAKER_00]: because anything with her is going to come up as faint, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't even bother with any of her partners because it's like but but with him like he really let his guard down with her.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know if you and it was fascinating like he's like it was more about his family and him growing up as a fan and him being broke when he was younger.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They talk about working WrestleMania nine as a not sure and it's just so fascinating to me because

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[SPEAKER_00]: like he is a fan, like he's still a fan of the business.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I think that helps, that helps him, that helps him kind of strategize because he understands being a fan.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I'm really fascinated by him, but like Bill Simmons, yeah, I mean, he's very above the water when he's asking these questions.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But then like you said, he's not going to go deep because he has no reason to he doesn't really know that world.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Oh, it's a little observer subscriber too, from back in the day.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So, so I don't know why we got on this topic, but anyways.

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[SPEAKER_04]: No, it was just, it was started about Vince.

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[SPEAKER_04]: So, a very short, but kind of important show debuts around this time as well.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Tuesday, night, Titans, TNT.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Well, when I was younger,

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[SPEAKER_04]: You know, the whole thing for me as a brand new WWE fan, right?

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[SPEAKER_04]: And they were very smart about this video cassette stores are exploding all over the place.

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[SPEAKER_04]: And Colosseum home video, which it wasn't it like a porn like late, a porn distributor or something.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think it was created for WWF because Hillbilly's gym had stock in it and he didn't really realize much because he made it like a bandit with Colosseum video and so that was essentially WWF's brand to produce video tapes.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, TNT was awesome.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It was like a tonight show kind of show where he would have guessed.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And what a unique way to promote your wrestlers, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Because they got promo time.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And you got to see their personalities.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And some of the best unintentional comedy you're ever going to see.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I love that stuff.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's awesome.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I go back and watch all that run today and just have a good time.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Because Lord Alfred Hayes is such a character.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like he saw, he saw out of his element doing being the, what was Johnny Carson sidekick?

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[SPEAKER_00]: What was his name?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Ed McMan.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Ed McMan being the Ed McMan with the British accent and he seemed so lost that it was charming and it was funny to me and it still is to this day.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then just being wacky Vince, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Just saw outrageous.

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[SPEAKER_00]: What did you think of those shows?

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[SPEAKER_00]: I really enjoyed them.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Okay, so when I would have first seen them,

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[SPEAKER_04]: I don't know when the first tapes start to come out.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I'm going to guess eighty six time frame.

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[SPEAKER_04]: And so in eighty six, a lot of the content is from the early to the mid-eighties, like they're not necessarily up to date.

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[SPEAKER_04]: It's kind of you.

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[SPEAKER_04]: You're getting a little bit of history.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The pre-tick ever so error.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's very hard to watch.

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[SPEAKER_04]: So, you know, they do volume one and volume two and there's a whole communia, which the whole communia tape is amazing for someone who's like getting into this stuff, but they did a TNT tape two, best of TNT or whatever it was called.

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[SPEAKER_04]: And I remember running that and going like,

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[SPEAKER_04]: a little sad because there's not there's not really matches on it.

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[SPEAKER_04]: And it's it's a lot of interviews, but the the actual show.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I don't remember how long it ran, but the actual show would have these interview segments and then Vince would throw the matches.

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[SPEAKER_04]: And a lot of times, it was like if you were watching Divi TV, you'd already seen this match.

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[SPEAKER_04]: It's, you know, it's like a same match that was on prime time wrestling or what does that a lot back then.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, so you're seeing like the same thing, but I just remember going like when are my guys coming on because what what it was, it was a great vehicle for heels because the heels could go on there and they could do despicable things like I remember Randy Savage like

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[SPEAKER_04]: Like threatening to backhand Miss Elizabeth like a bunch of different times on the on the same thing.

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[SPEAKER_04]: You had Bobby Heenan and Orndor if an Orndor if is like flexing his muscles and kissing his biceps.

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[SPEAKER_04]: We have Fuji vice on that show idea that Fuji vice was fantastic also.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I don't remember if this exactly happened or if I just thought it did.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I want to say it was like offer or seek a like bid it head of a chicken off or pretend to fight the head of a chicken or something like that.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Stuff like that where I was just like, okay, this is it.

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[SPEAKER_04]: This is a wacky world that I'm kind of.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I remember that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: See sometimes.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Because of these tapes, sometimes I didn't exactly know where this stuff originally aired, because they would just package it all up, and they would put it on to different tapes.

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[SPEAKER_04]: But I did realize later that these were all segments created for TNT.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then those off on, like I said, shoot on the air, which is where to see was the the one we're hooking.

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[SPEAKER_04]: is training gene because they need a main event for Minnesota.

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[SPEAKER_04]: And so he wakes up gene and he's doing it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's a rock and a gimmick.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, eggs and he throws like tuna in it and stuff.

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[SPEAKER_04]: And like is that a TNT?

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[SPEAKER_00]: No, no, no, that was done for the video for all.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, yeah, okay.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think, yeah, okay.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, because like I could like sometimes like they were just I didn't know which what was created for.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And they run, remember the run their job.

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[SPEAKER_04]: like jeans got like smoking a cigar and then he actually does the match and that match is against Mr. Fuji and George the animal steel before George the animal seal turned baby face.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah and many like you said in Minneapolis.

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[SPEAKER_04]: All right.

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[SPEAKER_04]: We're we're getting off tangent, but it's fun tangents.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Cindy Lopper, David Wolfe, and Captain Luelbano are mentioned for the first time as working together and doing the Cindy Lopper videos.

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[SPEAKER_04]: So it's Dave's first mention of what actually becomes, like these are little origin stories for what becomes Russell Mania.

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[SPEAKER_04]: And he writes, Hulk Hogan's big title defense of his IWGP crown, most likely against Antonio Anoki,

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[SPEAKER_04]: on June, Fourteenth will feature a special guest appearance by Sylvester Stallone.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Stallone will present the title belt and trophy to whomever wins the six, Fourteenth match, Hulk is involved with what if any significance this has, I don't know.

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[SPEAKER_04]: This never happened, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: No, I don't have no memory of this or I haven't seen any evidence of this.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So there's something happened.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Yes, something.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's like big league them.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think this would happen.

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[SPEAKER_04]: He had to shoot, that's how I got a shoot cobra.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Now, cobra would have been ramble ramble.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, ramble.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Okay, so.

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[SPEAKER_04]: In New Japan, so Vince McMahon's senior was supposed to be on some of these new Japan shows and Dave wrote that Stu Hart had to replace him.

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[SPEAKER_04]: And here's how Dave's writing about it.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Stu Hart appeared early in the series as a replacement to Vince McMahon's senior who was dying.

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[SPEAKER_04]: That's literally the sentence.

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[SPEAKER_04]: the nice sensitive sentence there.

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[SPEAKER_04]: And so then also Dave believes playboy buddy Rose has jumped events after losing the Northwest title to rip Oliver.

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[SPEAKER_04]: This one fascinated me.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Playboy buddy Rose does show up in WrestleMania one as the executioner or whatever, but playboy buddy Rose.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Great personality.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Great charisma.

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[SPEAKER_04]: But the the flabbiest non-vincic man junior style body that you could ever imagine.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Now Adrian Adonis would get away from it, but he was never pushed seriously when he did get really big.

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[SPEAKER_04]: But playboy buddy Rose, what do you think about his fit in WWE F?

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, he didn't, and that's why he was a jobber.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, that's, you know, he was a comedy jobber.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But if you see his stuff in Portland and his stuff in San Francisco, he was anything but so it was weird.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I learned this later on in the tape trading days, but because to me, growing up, all I knew was playboy buddy Rose from like the blowway diet, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, through the powder on his stomach and he turned on the fan.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And it's supposed to blow away your fat.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They would never get away with these commercials now.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so that's what I knew a mess.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then when I started getting more smart to the business, and I'm like, this guy was a top guy.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And you know, Oregon or whatever, and then I was in no way.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then when I saw the tape, I was like, oh shit, it was a great worker too.

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[SPEAKER_04]: But the good thing about that timeframe though is when he was tag team with Doug Summers, like they were a good tag team.

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[SPEAKER_04]: And they had the feud with the midnight rockers, which really put the midnight rockers on the map.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: No, yeah, yeah, he was, he's still headed by that point.

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[SPEAKER_00]: This is like, eighty eight around there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But when he, but when he went to Vince, full time right after the eight WA, he was, you know, he was way too overweight for him to be taken seriously.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Now, the eighty four run, I think he was just doing shots here and there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think he had like a hole.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And also like you said, even then,

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[SPEAKER_00]: He was never like like a guy that was in shape even when he wasn't as big as he got later But that's probably why Vince put him in the mask, you know, that's probably I mean And then also like I also feel that during that era Vince was a little more open minded to the people that were coming and get shots, you know here and there Especially for the midcard, you know, so so I don't know maybe he was one of the guys that he felt okay.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Let's see what he got and then

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, but he also had a lot of issues with drugs too.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So that's another thing.

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[SPEAKER_04]: So Memphis, now we're talking about how these territories are kind of combating Vince McMahon trying to come into their area.

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[SPEAKER_04]: So Dave writes this group is probably the most unique method of combating the Vince McMahon invasion.

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[SPEAKER_04]: McMahon has a show booked on June, twenty-fourth in Memphis.

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[SPEAKER_04]: He also debuts the following night in Louisville that same night from eight to ten directly opposite the card WMC TV the NBC affiliate in Memphis will broadcast a special Jerry Lawler show

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[SPEAKER_04]: With special guests like dusty roads, Jimmy valiant and get this the return of Stan Lane and Steve Kern.

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[SPEAKER_04]: It's the most bizarre setting because also on the show will be the first meeting of Lane and Kern with their imitators, Tommy Rich and Eddie Gilbert.

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[SPEAKER_04]: So Memphis was like, oh, you're coming in and you're running a house show.

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[SPEAKER_04]: We're going to put Jerry Lawler on broadcast television or their local broadcast or whatever and that's how we're going to come at you.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and it's interesting to see that technically Vince is the underdog here in all these battles in all these cities.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So he's just he's just plugging away.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I see a money mark, I don't know, maybe maybe not, because I feel like his money was like, he had a finite amount of money, one like TK, you know what I'm saying?

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[SPEAKER_00]: So, I mean, I do, I do agree that he got a sweetheart deal for the company.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's the whole different argument, but he was kind of like wearing out of money here, trying to come back all these different cities and territories and whatnot.

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[SPEAKER_04]: and there was not a blueprint in doing what he wanted to do.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Like he was kind of creating the blueprint and he was learning from his mistakes too, right?

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[SPEAKER_04]: Like he was like, okay, well, we did this, this didn't work.

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[SPEAKER_04]: We got to do it a different way.

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[SPEAKER_04]: And you know, let's go buy the, let's go buy the television contract of these, you know, let's, let's get NW or AWS TV in the Bay Area and like just doing those kind of things.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But I feel like the bigger the institution was in that local city, the harder it was for him to eventually win.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like Memphis.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Memphis, Gerrard was literally the king of Memphis.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so, it took years for Vince to get in there and really hurt that territory.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There was others like Dallas, for example, you know.

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[SPEAKER_04]: And so, it's, it'll really run Tennessee all that often.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They kind of do.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They were just a Nashville recently, and they run it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But I mean, now it's all even plainfield.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, now you can't really even Dallas.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, they run Dallas.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Nobody remembers the Von Erick's or whatever.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So there's this idea that Vince just came and wiped everyone out.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's false.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, there was a lot of territories.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And even when the territories died, because their style of wrestling was different,

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[SPEAKER_00]: uh, Vince Clinton draw on those territories, you know, I took a long time.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Some of them took all the way to the Austin era.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So for them to really be able to draw.

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[SPEAKER_04]: So the question of why the briskos would sell their stock to Vince and stab Oli Anderson in the back.

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[SPEAKER_04]: So Dave writes, one has to look at the brisco brothers perspective.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Oli was running the company into the ground.

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[SPEAKER_04]: And who knows if the stock would wind up worthless in two years?

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[SPEAKER_04]: At the same time, Oli had little communication with his stockholders, particularly Jack and Jerry.

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[SPEAKER_04]: So when McMahon came along with what I'm sure was a good price, they jumped.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Now who's feeding this to Dave?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Because this was very good.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You're bar net.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It sounds very one-sided.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's part of Jim Barnett, because he was going to... They were boys, you know?

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[SPEAKER_00]: So... Because it sounds very one-sided.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But we know it wasn't coming from Olli, so... No, exactly.

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[SPEAKER_00]: No way.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But you know what?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I mean, I guess the bristles were like, we got nothing to lose, because this guy's running into the ground.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So if we hang out here, we're going to lose our stock or the value.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And we're also probably going to lose our jobs when they're actually the territory closest.

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[SPEAKER_00]: If we go to Vince,

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[SPEAKER_00]: We're going to make a little more money up front.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And even if that doesn't work out, you know, it's better than with this situation.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So they were thinking more of the big picture.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I mean, Jack retire soon after anyway, so it wasn't that matter.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But I mean, Jerry was, you know, one of his new tenants for years and years.

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[SPEAKER_04]: He was like the best decision he would have ever made was that decision.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, for sure.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So so they worked out.

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[SPEAKER_04]: All right.

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[SPEAKER_04]: We have a couple of comedy-dave lines here.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Not a very comedy-dave issue.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Pretty serious issue.

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[SPEAKER_04]: And then we'll talk a little bit about the current wrestling.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That means that the fabulous mula wasn't booked during June because she's booked.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We're going to get comedy-dave.

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[SPEAKER_04]: All right, let's hear from comedy-dave here.

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[SPEAKER_04]: All right.

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[SPEAKER_04]: These aren't even strong.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Actually, I like the last one, but the first one is just kind of so, so there's just so little I had to add this one.

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[SPEAKER_04]: So he's been picking on Jules Strongbow, but Jules Strongbow debuted and has beaten Super D-One who has Scott Irwin and Kelly Koniski.

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[SPEAKER_04]: and gained a DQ win over whom I assume is the missing link.

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[SPEAKER_04]: He has actually received some tag team main events with the Von Eric Boys, expected him to be awful, but he's actually far worse than that.

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[SPEAKER_04]: His matches with Kineski, who is a very solid worker, have been as bad as a junkyard dog Kamala match, which he wrote in parentheses, is the standard for being horrible.

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[SPEAKER_04]: That was a little bit more mean than comedy day, but I had to throw that one in there.

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[SPEAKER_03]: But yeah, it took a shot of a junk football.

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[SPEAKER_03]: It was like junk food.

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[SPEAKER_03]: J. Whiteies, like this is not even about me.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, you mentioned this thing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and Kimala also took a shot there.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Gosh, all right.

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[SPEAKER_04]: The last one is about a duel of the butcher.

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[SPEAKER_04]: and Dave writes Abdul the butcher that well condition hard trainer has been here far too often has been here what has been here far too often with those six minute matches Abby Abby the Abby got him back though with with that shoot interview

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, yeah, that's a classic.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, then he talked about that all the time.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You mean, he got work.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, classic.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We never saw the cancer or any of you.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They all took their money and left.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So let me, so yeah, the thing about Abby is that I'm surprised he doesn't quote unquote, respect him more because Abby was kind of like a champagne guy too.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So, and then, you know, they, they just spectacles a little up when you come from Japan, but then again, he was in the, in the, as Carl Stern used to call him, the garbage leaks in Japan.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So, you know, so that's probably why.

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[SPEAKER_04]: All right, so let's focus a little bit on the current, the current pro wrestling business here.

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[SPEAKER_04]: You made a comment to me and said that you're kind of a little bit on the outs with the current scene, which I feel like I'm a little bit on the outs with the current scene as well, but I almost feel like I don't exactly know why because wrestling fans

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[SPEAKER_04]: who are able to follow the thing that they want to follow.

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[SPEAKER_04]: They're loving it right now.

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[SPEAKER_04]: If you're an AEW fan, you get your two TV shows and you get your really strong paper views and WWE fans, you're getting so much stuff and now you'll get the ESPN shows, the PLEs on ESPN.

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[SPEAKER_04]: So in some ways, I'm hearing from people going like, this is the best time ever in wrestling, like big Dave is like, oh, I get to watch Mexico and on Friday nights and I always wanted to watch this, but I would have to go there.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Now I can watch it on streaming and he's like almost like, it's too good because I don't have time to watch everything.

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[SPEAKER_04]: And you and I are a little bit on the other side was like, I don't know if I'm feeling it as much.

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[SPEAKER_04]: What is your reason for not really feeling it right now?

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I think there's a general malaise, I guess you could say, just with the way the world is right now.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So a lot of it is me.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There's a lot of real world stressors going on in the world right now.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then also connected to that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know if I could separate

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[SPEAKER_00]: like the corporate greed of WWE with the product.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know what I'm saying?

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I've cut promos on this show going back to six, seven months with the price, Gao, Jean, and all that stuff.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And now it's more evident.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like now it's really in your face.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like now it's very, to me, they don't really respect the fans.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's like, well, here it is.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We're just gonna milk you and that's it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We're just gonna milk you like a cow, you know?

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[SPEAKER_00]: And it's even more disheartened to see the fans just got loud themselves to be milked like cows.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And again,

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[SPEAKER_00]: There's also a part of me that is like, you know what if this is how you spend your leisure money and you work hard for you to deserve it, you know?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Who am I to say don't do it here?

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[SPEAKER_00]: But for me personally, it's just kind of like the whole Brock Lesnar coming back.

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[SPEAKER_00]: All that stuff just bothers me.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so it's making it difficult for me to enjoy the product, you know?

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm not gonna like, you know,

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[SPEAKER_00]: virtual signal or nothing like that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Because at the end of the day, I'm still watching it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I've also have to come to terms that I am a hypocrite because I'm watching it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm okay with that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I've come to terms with that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I've accepted it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not making any excuses.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It just wrestling is something that I've watched.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I was the kid and it's hard for me not to watch it completely.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It just I just can.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I'm okay with supporting a product that has no consequences

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[SPEAKER_00]: for people that have done horrific things.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm okay with it, but it's still hard.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then on the other side,

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[SPEAKER_00]: I just can't get into just a match based promotion.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I just can't do it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, like, you know, it's, it's, that's not what I'm about.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I want the soap opera aspect of it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And yeah, NAW has gotten better, but they haven't gotten good enough for me.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, it's still, it's still like, the match quality gets way more attention.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm not about that, you know, and so I'm not gonna sit there and we talked about it many times.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Those twenty minute job branches, I'm not gonna say, and that's what collision is, the entire show.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, like today, I, I saw some math down.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm like, there's not one top guy that made it to that show.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Not one.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, Cody wasn't there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Punk wasn't there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Roman wasn't there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Uh, nobody was there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It was on mid-carders or up.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Drew Drew McIntyre was that was the top guy.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He kind of promo.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm like, people are paying hundreds of dollars to go watch a mid-level show.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And don't even get me started on collision.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We've talked to, we've seen those lines for collision.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, you couldn't pay me to go sit and watch, you know, five job or matches for twenty minutes.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like so, so that's kind of where my head's at right now.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, and your right is weird because it shouldn't be that way.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, wrestling.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, John Cena's finally they kind of course corrected his report as fuck, but now we're going to see that run that, you know, the

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, what does the John Wayne run as Jim brought you to say?

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[SPEAKER_00]: And that should be fun, but it's not for me, you know, because it's like, I don't know.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So, yeah, it's all right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I'm still up to there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I told you, I'm not ninety-nine.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You two build water and stuff.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not completely disconnected.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But nothing captures my imagination right now.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So, I didn't like, oh, I didn't love all in, though, because I got some dope ass seats.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, you had great seats at all in.

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[SPEAKER_04]: That was incredible.

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[SPEAKER_04]: The thing about the AW now I I'm going to guess that the style of fan that you are.

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[SPEAKER_04]: It's just slightly different than I don't even know what you would call the fans who are just all about the matches like they don't they don't you know right you know I have a name for them.

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[SPEAKER_04]: they barely want to see promos but see Davis like heavy into promos to like Dave knows like you got to talk them into the building um and some people like you know they are really they really are just about about the matches but there's also this thing that I find really interesting and I've got unrecorded

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[SPEAKER_04]: I think Tony Khan is from the, I don't know him as a human, right?

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[SPEAKER_04]: I know him through being able to interview him and email with him back and forth a few times.

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[SPEAKER_04]: But I feel like he's probably a pretty good dude if just based on what I have seen and things that I've talked him on and off the record.

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[SPEAKER_04]: But at the same time, he is a billionaire who's running a company

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[SPEAKER_04]: AW doesn't.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Uh, they don't support a union for the wrestlers, not not that we've heard anything about them.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Kai Bosching one like the wrestlers don't have a union, but I'm sure Tony Con is better off for them not having a union.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Uh, we know that their TV deal increased, you know, X fold.

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[SPEAKER_04]: And I know that the wrestler salaries did not increase by the same multiplier, not that I expected it to Tony Conn is a businessman.

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[SPEAKER_04]: He put all the money into that company.

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[SPEAKER_04]: He can he can run the business in what so it's not even a judgment on that.

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[SPEAKER_04]: But my my overall sort of question to you is,

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[SPEAKER_04]: Why do you think the AEW fans look at Tony Khan as like?

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[SPEAKER_04]: We need to protect this guy.

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[SPEAKER_04]: We need to save this guy.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Anybody says anything bad about our guy, TK.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Like we can make fun of him being a little goofy or doing stuff like this.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Today's been one of the greatest days in the history of AEW.

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[SPEAKER_04]: always does like that kind of like they can make fun of it but the second anybody goes I don't think this booking is great like their boom they're so ready to defend him what is it about Tony that makes that fan base so defensive almost at the point of apologizing for him

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[SPEAKER_00]: But I think Tony represents a team, like your sports team that you root for.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And he's the mouthpiece for that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And he's the leader of that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's funny how when you when they've been studies on like group psychology and how when you get a group together that has a similar belief in the visual consciousness goes out the window and it becomes kind of like a collective conscious.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's actually kind of scary when you when you actually read all the studies and that's what happens in sports.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Have you ever noticed when you go to like the Niners game or a Giants game?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Everybody loves each other because they're all there for the Giants or the Niners right or the Warriors.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Except for when the doctors come in and they I see all the blue shirts I started hating everybody.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, but that's it, but okay, but then the Giants fans collectively.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And it doesn't matter.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You honestly, you could be right next to somebody who like, and I'm going to get very dark here, but there's only example that comes to my mind, like a child predator or something, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: And they're a Giants fan doesn't matter because we're on the same team.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And we we're going to hate the doctors together that there's part there there's part of our

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[SPEAKER_00]: of our brain where the frontal lobe where reason in this shuts off and the survival aspect of it which is the mid brain turns on and it's all very emotion based and and right now we're at the point and this took years to get to this point where we are in that tribalism part with a w and w w and I don't even see any way around that we don't have to see a play out and see where these companies are in ten years because now it's going to become generational so

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's to the point out where it doesn't, Tony Conn is just a representation of the team.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Nobody even knows the man, the man could be worse than Vince for all we know.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We don't know.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'd be pretty hard, but we probably not.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Probably not.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Probably not, probably not.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But he could be, he could have done some horrible things.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We'll never know, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: But it doesn't matter because he's our leader and he represents the team that I root for.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I identify with, because remember, what we do is find tools that we attach part of identity onto whatever we're reading for.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So if you're attacking Tony Con, you're also attacking me because so much of my identity is based on that product, you know?

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so it gets very intertwined like that, especially when you start making friends that are also supportive of a W, then it becomes even harder to break that chain.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So that's what people are very protective.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They're protecting themselves

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[SPEAKER_00]: by protecting Tony Khan.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And it's the same thing with Paul with Triple H. You know, I was the one that's been screaming since WrestleMania in LA that he's a horrible booker.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Nobody listened to me.

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[SPEAKER_00]: This guy literally had no plans other than just way to the rock comes back.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That was his plan.

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[SPEAKER_00]: and he banded his way through all these little PR leads.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So, but again, he was also, he's also beloved, you know?

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[SPEAKER_00]: But, but again, I think going back to where I met with wrestling, I mean, I also, I mean, you know this, I mean, the observer was my little happy place for years, years and years and then now, I mean, it's seven and two me and so a lot of other people, Dave does have a stance in this and it's fine, like it's like he's a human being, it's like,

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[SPEAKER_00]: But this idea that that that pause like like what Brian said, you know, like they're not the evil empire that we don't even know.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And but that's really like the narrative that I keep on hearing, especially from Dave.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's like.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Triple H could discover the cure to cancer, and they will cover how it was a nethical, how he got there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know what I'm saying?

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's like, doesn't matter.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Because I would say that Paul is also an improvement from Vince, right from a morale standpoint, from a humanistic standpoint.

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[SPEAKER_00]: What do you think?

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I would say so.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I think it's definitely an improvement.

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[SPEAKER_04]: but he is also he also says stuff that really makes me wonder what kind of sort of a cultural intelligence he has like he'll say things like I don't see color and like we know we know that you know back in the the ninety nineties maybe you get away with that but in twenty twenty five it's a really sort of insensitive thing to say but even in describing events he'll say things like well

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[SPEAKER_04]: no human is perfect.

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[SPEAKER_04]: And like again, that's another thing that someone could get away with and describing someone who has flaws that you don't really, you don't really put a spotlight on today.

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[SPEAKER_04]: So like to me, I think from the wrestling perspective, I think he does a really good job.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I also agree with you when it comes to the booking.

01:00:01.191 --> 01:00:02.252
[SPEAKER_04]: I'm not the biggest

01:00:02.842 --> 01:00:04.303
[SPEAKER_04]: all of that poker fan.

01:00:04.684 --> 01:00:22.619
[SPEAKER_04]: There is the part that I am just pointed in him is as the spokesperson for the company because he says a lot of things that I really really disagree with morally and it makes me think that he either doesn't care or he doesn't get it.

01:00:23.700 --> 01:00:26.542
[SPEAKER_04]: And I have to think with where he is in his

01:00:27.838 --> 01:00:29.140
[SPEAKER_04]: in his in the company.

01:00:29.521 --> 01:00:30.402
[SPEAKER_04]: He has to get it.

01:00:30.562 --> 01:00:33.626
[SPEAKER_04]: So I'm have to go with the idea that he just doesn't care.

01:00:33.886 --> 01:00:36.049
[SPEAKER_00]: Doesn't care what he says you mean what he's like.

01:00:36.089 --> 01:00:42.677
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think he cares about what his job is, but what you're saying, his job is fine.

01:00:43.438 --> 01:00:48.819
[SPEAKER_04]: He doesn't care about the things that you just mentioned, like Brock Lesnar coming back.

01:00:48.919 --> 01:00:56.521
[SPEAKER_04]: Like to him, like he's trying to make this a pro wrestling angle when the actual question is, how does this tie into the legal trouble?

01:00:56.581 --> 01:01:07.243
[SPEAKER_04]: Because Triple H is bullshitting his way through the Brock Lesnar stuff because he is taking his fan base for for dummies, which... That's where I'm mad.

01:01:07.283 --> 01:01:10.684
[SPEAKER_00]: That's where I feel more that he doesn't respect his audience.

01:01:11.473 --> 01:01:13.655
[SPEAKER_04]: So for instance, what did he say?

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[SPEAKER_04]: Well, John Cena's the one called the shots.

01:01:16.237 --> 01:01:21.962
[SPEAKER_04]: When the reality of the situation is, they're holding Brock Lesnar out for the Galilee reasons.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Like, that's the reason.

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[SPEAKER_04]: And maybe he doesn't want to say that, which is okay, but don't make this about a wrestling storyline unless you feel like your fans are nothing but marks.

01:01:34.553 --> 01:01:36.415
[SPEAKER_04]: And if you do feel like that,

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[SPEAKER_04]: I guess you can treat them that way, but at some point, that mentality is going to bite you in the ass.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, but it hasn't though.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I get frustrated.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like to me, the first time I saw an inking of that, well, I've seen it many times, but the one where it was very overt was with the whole our truth thing.

01:01:54.787 --> 01:02:02.110
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, you know, where like he's just all said always part of the show and I'm like even even like the mark like the hardcore marks, right?

01:02:02.130 --> 01:02:17.335
[SPEAKER_00]: The ones that I still believe it's real to them even they knew the news of what was happening when our children to it for him to say I was part of the show is like, no, it wasn't you know, this is the and so that was that kind of left me with with a bad taste in my mouth, but yeah, he's been he's been doing that for a while.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, he should I mean, and you know what's frustrating is that there's certain lies that that they'll say that

01:02:24.298 --> 01:02:37.764
[SPEAKER_00]: Even if you're honest, you, it's going to be okay, you know, even with the Brock Lesnar thing, like, just be honest, just say, you know what we have legal and legal checked into it, and we feel that it's okay to bring them back.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Are you going to get heat for it?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, you are.

01:02:39.744 --> 01:02:43.186
[SPEAKER_00]: You're always going to get heat for it, but it's your being honest, you know?

01:02:43.606 --> 01:02:45.287
[SPEAKER_04]: You know what his excuse used to be?

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[SPEAKER_04]: The reason we're not doing X, Y, and Z is because if fans Google this person being China, they would find out that she had this past that we are not happy with, right?

01:02:58.235 --> 01:02:59.535
[SPEAKER_01]: That was a long matter.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Anybody, right?

01:03:03.256 --> 01:03:08.137
[SPEAKER_04]: China had had the porn stuff and this was triple H is excused for her not being in the Hall of Fame.

01:03:08.377 --> 01:03:10.758
[SPEAKER_04]: They have since put her in the Hall of Fame.

01:03:11.930 --> 01:03:28.046
[SPEAKER_04]: you Google Brock Lesnar you probably don't have to go that far into your search to figure out this why he was out like so that that doesn't play with me and maybe maybe he can't use that excuse him or maybe that's why he doesn't but

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[SPEAKER_04]: you know, it wasn't that long ago when you treated your audience as kind of smart like, oh, if they actually Google China, it's not going to be WWE Hall of Famer.

01:03:38.132 --> 01:03:46.236
[SPEAKER_04]: It's going to be she was in, you know, she was going to don't movies with Sean Waltman, but yet Sean Waltman was in the Hall of Fame.

01:03:46.316 --> 01:03:49.758
[SPEAKER_04]: So it's like that stuff didn't really make that much sense.

01:03:50.498 --> 01:03:52.860
[SPEAKER_04]: And I just, you know, so I just feel like

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[SPEAKER_04]: as a fan, like, let's equate this to what you just equated it with, with rural sports.

01:04:02.115 --> 01:04:10.918
[SPEAKER_04]: Um, you know, the Dodgers owner, very, uh, new owner, very savvy, very rich dude.

01:04:11.639 --> 01:04:13.279
[SPEAKER_04]: Um, gonna be successful.

01:04:14.199 --> 01:04:23.263
[SPEAKER_04]: If he was just going out here and and saying stuff off the cuff, I don't think you, you would lose your Dodger fandom because it goes way beyond just a stupid owner.

01:04:23.943 --> 01:04:26.625
[SPEAKER_04]: But you probably have to feel some kind of way.

01:04:27.146 --> 01:04:35.852
[SPEAKER_04]: There's a reason why these guys, they kind of stay out of the spotlight, let's say your GM and your Friedman.

01:04:36.213 --> 01:04:38.935
[SPEAKER_04]: If Andrew Friedman started making cultural

01:04:40.496 --> 01:04:46.482
[SPEAKER_04]: things comments about, you know, the different races of the players, you would be like, where the F is this coming from?

01:04:46.562 --> 01:05:01.517
[SPEAKER_04]: Like, so it's just so weird that Triple H doesn't have these answers to these very simple questions that have to do with what his job is, which is talent, which is people, which is the culture of the company.

01:05:01.958 --> 01:05:02.579
[SPEAKER_04]: And he's just like,

01:05:03.479 --> 01:05:30.074
[SPEAKER_04]: it's a business and you fans are too stupid really to understand you know what so we don't have to be honest like that is the part where I just don't get and maybe this study that has you know that or the stereotype that wrestling fans are on a slightly different level of of education or whatever they used to say I mean maybe some of that is right because some of the stuff that I do read and I do see from a fandom perspective I'm like

01:05:31.220 --> 01:05:31.860
[SPEAKER_04]: Come on.

01:05:32.500 --> 01:05:37.342
[SPEAKER_04]: Do I have to spell it out in red pen for you to understand what this is?

01:05:37.822 --> 01:05:40.123
[SPEAKER_04]: But what is defense mechanism?

01:05:40.863 --> 01:05:44.624
[SPEAKER_04]: I don't want to know, I just like to see the TV.

01:05:45.164 --> 01:05:47.345
[SPEAKER_04]: I don't need to know what goes on in the background.

01:05:47.525 --> 01:05:49.986
[SPEAKER_04]: I just can't wait to see what happens next on the show.

01:05:50.046 --> 01:05:51.326
[SPEAKER_04]: And that's my stance.

01:05:51.366 --> 01:05:53.267
[SPEAKER_04]: And maybe that's all it is to some folks.

01:05:53.727 --> 01:05:59.489
[SPEAKER_04]: But like you, I find it a little harder to sit in that kind of gray area, I guess.

01:06:00.009 --> 01:06:07.899
[SPEAKER_00]: But I think honoring our authentic selves, because one thing I don't do about myself with myself, I don't make excuses.

01:06:07.940 --> 01:06:10.162
[SPEAKER_00]: Like again, if I'm supporting a show,

01:06:11.501 --> 01:06:18.507
[SPEAKER_00]: that has Brock Lesnar on it, and I'm watching it, like I have to come and turn through that with my own internal, whatever I used to.

01:06:18.847 --> 01:06:20.388
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not going to sit there and make excuses.

01:06:20.769 --> 01:06:21.830
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, it's just one time.

01:06:22.190 --> 01:06:23.571
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, I'm pirating in peacock.

01:06:23.751 --> 01:06:26.874
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, I'm not going to do that because that's lying to myself.

01:06:26.914 --> 01:06:31.117
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to sit there and say, you know what, I'm not, I'm not being truthful to my ethics right now.

01:06:32.338 --> 01:06:45.030
[SPEAKER_00]: But the value that I get from wrestling superseded that and you know what I'm sad to say that at times it does it does and and that's something I gotta live with so I'll give you a quick example because again using the Dodgers

01:06:46.132 --> 01:06:54.734
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know how further news reached Northern California, but the Dodgers were in a hot water for a while because they were not responding to all the ice rates.

01:06:54.854 --> 01:06:55.514
[SPEAKER_03]: Yes, yes.

01:06:55.654 --> 01:06:56.014
[SPEAKER_00]: All right.

01:06:56.134 --> 01:06:56.454
[SPEAKER_00]: You're right.

01:06:56.534 --> 01:07:05.696
[SPEAKER_00]: So so I had gone together with my friends and I did say I was like, you know what, if they don't, if they don't say anything within the next week, I'm not going to go to any of the game this year.

01:07:05.836 --> 01:07:07.056
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not, I'm just not going to do it.

01:07:07.576 --> 01:07:12.957
[SPEAKER_00]: That was my own self negotiating, which, which again, it was pretty kind of self serving.

01:07:13.617 --> 01:07:15.038
[SPEAKER_00]: But it was all I could do, right?

01:07:15.098 --> 01:07:18.401
[SPEAKER_00]: Because I was still going to watch him on TV, right?

01:07:18.741 --> 01:07:20.783
[SPEAKER_00]: But I mean, again, it is what it is.

01:07:21.183 --> 01:07:26.807
[SPEAKER_00]: But they did speak up and they did donate to certain, you know, nonprofits for immigration.

01:07:27.808 --> 01:07:29.689
[SPEAKER_00]: But it took him a long time.

01:07:29.749 --> 01:07:31.030
[SPEAKER_00]: But I was ready to make a move.

01:07:31.050 --> 01:07:32.491
[SPEAKER_00]: I was like, I'm not going to go to the game.

01:07:32.611 --> 01:07:34.112
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not going to go to any live games this year.

01:07:34.132 --> 01:07:35.914
[SPEAKER_00]: Because it's first of all, it's expensive as hell.

01:07:36.974 --> 01:07:39.937
[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm not going to put that kind of money into their pocket.

01:07:40.567 --> 01:07:46.274
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, so I haven't had to make decisions even in sports, you know, when it comes to that.

01:07:47.395 --> 01:07:56.125
[SPEAKER_00]: But we'll see, we'll see with wrestling and so it's so hard because it's so ingrained in me, you know, and I just can't, I just can't shut it off and I, you know, I don't see myself doing it.

01:07:56.683 --> 01:08:02.208
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, for me, giving up wrestling would be like giving up baseball or giving up the NBA.

01:08:02.688 --> 01:08:08.133
[SPEAKER_04]: That would be a hard thing for me to do because it's just in my natural progression.

01:08:08.333 --> 01:08:19.182
[SPEAKER_04]: The first thing I do when I wake up is if it's a Monday, I refresh my podcast feed so that I can see if Brian and Dave recorded from the night before.

01:08:21.044 --> 01:08:31.615
[SPEAKER_04]: You know, but that that's just become so habitual and so much part of my own human process by daily life process that it would be really hard to step away and I'm with you on the

01:08:32.380 --> 01:08:33.821
[SPEAKER_04]: You know, kind of like drawn a line.

01:08:33.861 --> 01:08:43.965
[SPEAKER_04]: I remember when they when Kishogi was killed in Saudi Arabia and there was this thought like maybe WWE should postpone their show and Vince was like, nope, fuck it.

01:08:43.985 --> 01:08:44.505
[SPEAKER_04]: We're going.

01:08:45.146 --> 01:08:48.027
[SPEAKER_04]: I was like, okay, that's him putting his foot down.

01:08:48.847 --> 01:08:50.328
[SPEAKER_04]: And so I didn't watch.

01:08:50.988 --> 01:08:53.909
[SPEAKER_04]: I think it was like the first two or three Saudi Arabia shows.

01:08:53.969 --> 01:08:54.970
[SPEAKER_04]: I just didn't watch them.

01:08:56.045 --> 01:09:04.111
[SPEAKER_04]: But then when I start doing Wrestling Observer Radio with Dave, like I can't not watch those because that is part of what we cover.

01:09:04.771 --> 01:09:07.193
[SPEAKER_04]: And then so now I'm a hypocrite for that.

01:09:07.653 --> 01:09:13.778
[SPEAKER_04]: But it's because I've taken this position and doing the show in order to do the show to the best of my ability.

01:09:13.838 --> 01:09:14.678
[SPEAKER_04]: I have to know it's going.

01:09:14.738 --> 01:09:16.400
[SPEAKER_04]: So it was like this weird.

01:09:16.460 --> 01:09:18.601
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, well, you have to be okay with being both.

01:09:18.641 --> 01:09:19.562
[SPEAKER_00]: You know what I'm saying?

01:09:20.142 --> 01:09:23.565
[SPEAKER_00]: And I think that that makes people authentic and people are

01:09:25.010 --> 01:09:30.998
[SPEAKER_00]: When people like authentic people, even though they can't really explain why, you know, it's because we don't like towards make excuses.

01:09:31.939 --> 01:09:33.101
[SPEAKER_00]: But it's been hard.

01:09:33.181 --> 01:09:33.982
[SPEAKER_00]: It has been hard.

01:09:35.624 --> 01:09:36.405
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, and again,

01:09:38.105 --> 01:09:44.995
[SPEAKER_00]: That's just the representation of the entire world that we're living in right now, which makes, for example, to stay on top of here and not go too far into the weeds.

01:09:46.717 --> 01:09:52.986
[SPEAKER_00]: What about, what about a triple is just being influenced like with the people he works with because I will say this and I'm not sure he is.

01:09:53.326 --> 01:09:55.209
[SPEAKER_04]: I don't remember there's a hundred percent he is.

01:09:55.489 --> 01:10:13.215
[SPEAKER_00]: I feel like WWE has has regressed over the last six months to a year because when there was that little window where Paul took over before the TKO merger where we were seeing all these like progressive changes to the point that we didn't even have this qualification anymore remember that he just wouldn't he just

01:10:13.995 --> 01:10:24.843
[SPEAKER_00]: And then once you start getting the TKO influence, I feel like the past year, they've kind of regressed back to just being like this corporate, heartless machine again, you know?

01:10:24.863 --> 01:10:26.985
[SPEAKER_00]: It wasn't always like this when Paul took over.

01:10:28.866 --> 01:10:31.868
[SPEAKER_00]: And so I do feel that he's been influenced.

01:10:32.008 --> 01:10:35.491
[SPEAKER_00]: It's kind of hard when you're in with the good old boy's club, right?

01:10:35.511 --> 01:10:38.653
[SPEAKER_00]: And you have Dana wire right there, flaunting out his money and his power.

01:10:39.134 --> 01:10:40.375
[SPEAKER_00]: And your trip village and you're like,

01:10:41.015 --> 01:10:42.057
[SPEAKER_00]: Why could be that too?

01:10:42.077 --> 01:10:42.337
[SPEAKER_00]: And so...

01:10:45.487 --> 01:10:49.628
[SPEAKER_00]: it's hard to like not to go against that when you're always surrounded by that.

01:10:50.469 --> 01:10:57.391
[SPEAKER_00]: And and triple inches always surrounded by these like, you know, tough, mean or good old boys, you know, from back in the day.

01:10:58.952 --> 01:11:00.672
[SPEAKER_00]: And so I would imagine that it's hard for him.

01:11:00.972 --> 01:11:04.453
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not making excuses for him, but that's got to play instantly.

01:11:04.513 --> 01:11:05.154
[SPEAKER_04]: I think you're right.

01:11:05.314 --> 01:11:06.734
[SPEAKER_04]: I think it would influence anybody.

01:11:06.794 --> 01:11:14.317
[SPEAKER_04]: If you if you want to be successful in your part of a corporation and the people at the top of the corporation say, well, this is how we do it.

01:11:16.259 --> 01:11:19.262
[SPEAKER_04]: If you don't do it that way, you're not going to be there for very long.

01:11:19.282 --> 01:11:22.325
[SPEAKER_04]: So you have to embody what that company is.

01:11:22.345 --> 01:11:24.988
[SPEAKER_04]: And you know, you talk about Dana.

01:11:26.910 --> 01:11:35.320
[SPEAKER_04]: My biggest worry as a wrestling fan was that WWE would become more like UFC.

01:11:36.168 --> 01:11:36.848
[SPEAKER_01]: And they haven't.

01:11:37.148 --> 01:11:41.789
[SPEAKER_04]: They're not there yet, but they are getting closer for sure.

01:11:42.649 --> 01:11:50.391
[SPEAKER_04]: Tripsing triple H, you know, go stand next to Donald Trump and you're like, wait, this is the presidential fitness thing.

01:11:50.451 --> 01:11:56.773
[SPEAKER_04]: And one guy's got a bad heart is jacked up on steroids and the other guy just eats McDonald's quarter pounders all day long.

01:11:56.793 --> 01:11:57.773
[SPEAKER_04]: Like, what are we doing here?

01:11:58.573 --> 01:12:17.685
[SPEAKER_04]: RFK does not into vaccines and he's into all these like wacky like what what is going on here this is like bizarre a world right and and so yeah like that is a little disheartening not that I thought that you know the Greenwich snob was this super liberal standing for everybody but

01:12:18.265 --> 01:12:29.824
[SPEAKER_04]: their their land store made a good argument saying the reason why the Brock Lesnar thing frustrated him more so than the reasons and maybe it frustrated us is he was at WWE is that

01:12:32.981 --> 01:12:53.736
[SPEAKER_04]: and do in part to triple H, there were so many gains from the women's wrestling perspective, where the women on many cases, I'm way more interested to watch the women's matches than the men's matches, because there's less of them, and they seem a little bit more meaningful in the big picture.

01:12:55.990 --> 01:13:06.500
[SPEAKER_04]: But when you bring Brock back, it is a little bit of a step backwards in this progression of what you're telling the wrestling industry how you care about women.

01:13:06.580 --> 01:13:20.872
[SPEAKER_04]: So I thought that was a pretty interesting point, but that also comes from him working there and seeing Vince set up segments where he just gets to make out with women who are like forty years younger than him and you're setting up spots where he gets to like

01:13:21.513 --> 01:13:30.300
[SPEAKER_04]: You know, be very disrespectful to women as if they're not human, like those kind of things, which was predominantly a Vince thing.

01:13:30.981 --> 01:13:37.066
[SPEAKER_04]: It's a wrestling thing, but Vince has so much control of that of the business.

01:13:37.526 --> 01:13:45.493
[SPEAKER_04]: And then you get to see real progression and Lance was like, okay, this is like actually a step backwards from where we were.

01:13:46.603 --> 01:13:48.705
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, no, I agree with a hundred percent.

01:13:48.745 --> 01:13:51.847
[SPEAKER_00]: And so, so that's kind of what I'm mad at with the wrestling right now.

01:13:51.947 --> 01:13:54.489
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I mean, I'm always going to love it.

01:13:54.529 --> 01:13:57.451
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, like I said, I had a great time at all in.

01:13:58.732 --> 01:14:06.517
[SPEAKER_00]: If it was financially, you know, if I had the ability to go to more than with the ratios, I would, but I can't because they price me out of the market.

01:14:07.838 --> 01:14:09.079
[SPEAKER_00]: Not that they price me out.

01:14:09.139 --> 01:14:11.281
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't see the value in going and paying.

01:14:11.321 --> 01:14:13.002
[SPEAKER_04]: What's up with the seat filler gimmick?

01:14:13.022 --> 01:14:13.743
[SPEAKER_04]: What happened to that?

01:14:14.183 --> 01:14:15.604
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, they don't go to the staples anymore.

01:14:15.624 --> 01:14:16.725
[SPEAKER_00]: That's right.

01:14:16.865 --> 01:14:17.866
[SPEAKER_00]: That's right.

01:14:17.886 --> 01:14:23.291
[SPEAKER_00]: They go to the, uh, uh, uh, the new one up and uh, into a dome and to a dome.

01:14:23.311 --> 01:14:23.511
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

01:14:23.891 --> 01:14:24.492
[SPEAKER_00]: I so fight.

01:14:25.432 --> 01:14:27.654
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, so, so that's that.

01:14:27.834 --> 01:14:29.576
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, if they go to staples, I mean, I would get in.

01:14:29.596 --> 01:14:30.416
[SPEAKER_00]: There's no problem.

01:14:31.057 --> 01:14:31.818
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, I got in.

01:14:31.878 --> 01:14:35.581
[SPEAKER_00]: I got in for a W. I mean, it was in, you know, which is another great show.

01:14:35.681 --> 01:14:39.324
[SPEAKER_00]: I've been to two great A W shows by the river revolution and then yeah.

01:14:40.323 --> 01:14:45.133
[SPEAKER_00]: and and and all in and now although I could say that all in is a little overrated I didn't really

01:14:46.272 --> 01:14:47.133
[SPEAKER_00]: And I was okay.

01:14:47.193 --> 01:14:48.653
[SPEAKER_00]: I thought revolution was a lot better.

01:14:48.713 --> 01:14:53.336
[SPEAKER_00]: I thought all in was the the the first half was all kind of like middle of the road matches.

01:14:54.216 --> 01:14:56.558
[SPEAKER_00]: Those those casino gunlets are like whatever to me.

01:14:58.559 --> 01:15:09.205
[SPEAKER_04]: And then I feel like the last three matches that got all the hype were a little overrated in my opinion actually really liked the main event and I almost never really liked those really gory like

01:15:10.525 --> 01:15:16.630
[SPEAKER_04]: You know, using what, what did Moxley take a backdrop on like a bed of nails or whatever those kind of things?

01:15:17.671 --> 01:15:23.635
[SPEAKER_04]: I mean, I understand why people get into those spots because it is like, it's dangerous.

01:15:23.675 --> 01:15:25.477
[SPEAKER_04]: Are you like, oh my gosh, I can't believe it happened.

01:15:25.817 --> 01:15:31.021
[SPEAKER_04]: But in the scope of a wrestling match, it kind of takes me out of the wrestling match part of it a little bit.

01:15:31.481 --> 01:15:34.644
[SPEAKER_04]: But I was still compelled throughout that match because it was really about

01:15:35.324 --> 01:15:36.865
[SPEAKER_04]: How is Hangman going to win this thing?

01:15:36.905 --> 01:15:38.827
[SPEAKER_04]: And I thought they told a good story there.

01:15:39.007 --> 01:15:48.734
[SPEAKER_00]: And you know, one thing, and I know this has been a topic of conversation within the wrestling community, the difference between having great matches and great moments, right?

01:15:49.094 --> 01:15:51.156
[SPEAKER_00]: And WWE is so good at the moments.

01:15:51.176 --> 01:15:53.438
[SPEAKER_00]: And that's what they thrive on.

01:15:53.558 --> 01:15:57.240
[SPEAKER_00]: And as a wrestling fan myself, I mean, I like a combination of both.

01:15:57.781 --> 01:16:00.783
[SPEAKER_00]: Gun to my head, I would say I like moments better.

01:16:00.943 --> 01:16:02.865
[SPEAKER_00]: Especially when you're really connected to the product,

01:16:03.665 --> 01:16:12.829
[SPEAKER_00]: And it was evident with that main event because we had some classic moments in that main event with Daniel Bryan coming in wearing the blue panther mass and then dark becoming down from the ceiling.

01:16:13.409 --> 01:16:15.390
[SPEAKER_00]: How many times have we seen highlights on that and TV?

01:16:15.430 --> 01:16:15.810
[SPEAKER_00]: Zero.

01:16:16.130 --> 01:16:17.831
[SPEAKER_00]: Like they just don't exist anymore.

01:16:17.851 --> 01:16:23.393
[SPEAKER_00]: And if it was the VW TV, there would be bombardiness with those shots over and over and over.

01:16:23.693 --> 01:16:28.756
[SPEAKER_00]: They would have made a music video of dark becoming down with like a new metal banner some shit.

01:16:30.111 --> 01:16:32.173
[SPEAKER_00]: But the AW doesn't do that.

01:16:32.273 --> 01:16:37.918
[SPEAKER_00]: I think that's why their product could come off as flat sometimes because they just don't focus on the moments.

01:16:38.558 --> 01:16:42.802
[SPEAKER_00]: And that's something I hope they get better at because that's important in wrestling.

01:16:43.858 --> 01:16:50.962
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, I was an example is because I was there life when when when when Osprey did the whole thing from the top of the cave.

01:16:51.743 --> 01:16:52.703
[SPEAKER_00]: We've never seen that again.

01:16:52.723 --> 01:16:53.844
[SPEAKER_00]: We just haven't seen it.

01:16:54.624 --> 01:16:55.785
[SPEAKER_00]: And then you're killed himself.

01:16:56.025 --> 01:16:58.987
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, this dude almost died doing that thing.

01:16:59.047 --> 01:17:00.808
[SPEAKER_04]: I thought he would broke his hip or whatever.

01:17:00.828 --> 01:17:01.688
[SPEAKER_04]: And when he hit the mat.

01:17:02.569 --> 01:17:07.732
[SPEAKER_04]: So I did an episode of Talk is Jericho.

01:17:08.552 --> 01:17:26.062
[SPEAKER_04]: with Chris and with Marco Monday who I saw that I'm going to listen to it about my feet I didn't see it okay so I don't I I know what happened during the recording but I didn't listen back to see what got added out or what wasn't used but at some point Jericho did say

01:17:27.092 --> 01:17:29.773
[SPEAKER_04]: You know, moments are more important than matches.

01:17:30.633 --> 01:17:33.454
[SPEAKER_04]: And this is a man who works for AEW.

01:17:33.794 --> 01:17:38.276
[SPEAKER_00]: But it is a man that thinks this is father like they all do.

01:17:38.396 --> 01:17:47.399
[SPEAKER_04]: And so like I was very surprised for him to say that that moment because he's not currently on AEW TV and he wasn't on AEW TV when we recorded it.

01:17:48.339 --> 01:17:53.184
[SPEAKER_04]: And I was like, it's, it's really interesting because you could tell the difference in philosophy.

01:17:53.244 --> 01:17:58.610
[SPEAKER_04]: Now I'm sure he likes Tony Con as a boss for all the reasons why a lot, you know, that.

01:17:59.424 --> 01:18:06.448
[SPEAKER_04]: the little engine that could is now an actual, an actual wrestling company.

01:18:07.709 --> 01:18:12.772
[SPEAKER_04]: The original story of pro wrestling startups is really bad, right?

01:18:12.932 --> 01:18:21.236
[SPEAKER_04]: Like no matter how much money you have, it's really the process and the operation and Tony Khan was able to create the operation.

01:18:21.356 --> 01:18:26.039
[SPEAKER_00]: This guy had a five year loss losing money business plan.

01:18:26.179 --> 01:18:27.700
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know any company that's gonna do that.

01:18:29.032 --> 01:18:51.865
[SPEAKER_04]: no they made they started making money on so uh... not great money but the year that they went into the pandemic they had just signed uh... a renewal that bumped up their money which Tony said had they not signed that through the pandemic they might have been in uh...

01:18:52.634 --> 01:18:54.975
[SPEAKER_04]: They might, they might have been in a bad position.

01:18:55.655 --> 01:19:01.437
[SPEAKER_04]: So those early, those early, uh, dynamites that did great ratings.

01:19:02.357 --> 01:19:04.258
[SPEAKER_04]: WBD was like, Oh, we got something here.

01:19:04.338 --> 01:19:05.558
[SPEAKER_04]: We need to keep these guys.

01:19:05.658 --> 01:19:10.940
[SPEAKER_04]: And because I think the original deal for the TV was like some sort of barter thing, right?

01:19:10.960 --> 01:19:12.781
[SPEAKER_04]: It's like, uh, the A, W gets a little bit of.

01:19:12.801 --> 01:19:13.421
[SPEAKER_04]: It was bad.

01:19:13.521 --> 01:19:14.881
[SPEAKER_00]: It was, it wasn't the best.

01:19:14.901 --> 01:19:15.081
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

01:19:15.141 --> 01:19:16.982
[SPEAKER_00]: And then every negotiated midway.

01:19:17.666 --> 01:19:19.727
[SPEAKER_04]: And so that, that really affected them.

01:19:19.767 --> 01:19:35.971
[SPEAKER_04]: Now, I'm not saying that they were that they actually made money, but if you are, if you're in a business, that, you know, there are, if you can, that video game costing them a lot of money to the last money goes to that video game.

01:19:36.231 --> 01:19:45.533
[SPEAKER_04]: But the difference between like that kind of company and like something, you know, in tech where I live is we get invested in where

01:19:46.113 --> 01:19:56.929
[SPEAKER_04]: the venture capitalist fund is giving us money, but they're taking the slice of it in stock and they get to own part of the company.

01:19:56.969 --> 01:20:00.874
[SPEAKER_04]: They're giving us money so that we can exist, but then they're taking some ownership.

01:20:01.395 --> 01:20:13.660
[SPEAKER_04]: This was all Tony's money, like he didn't have, you know, so that's a little bit of a different ballgame, which is why, you know, I will criticize X, Y, and Z about A, W all day long, but at the end of the day I go, but who cares?

01:20:13.700 --> 01:20:16.941
[SPEAKER_04]: Like he's soul owner of this thing.

01:20:17.341 --> 01:20:22.583
[SPEAKER_04]: It's all his money and nobody else is so if it's your money, you get to call the shots and it's your deal and

01:20:23.403 --> 01:20:25.345
[SPEAKER_04]: He's been able to do a pretty good job with it.

01:20:25.425 --> 01:20:28.447
[SPEAKER_00]: So, but he's also privileged enough to be able to do that.

01:20:28.467 --> 01:20:29.628
[SPEAKER_04]: Oh, a hundred percent.

01:20:29.648 --> 01:20:30.929
[SPEAKER_04]: That's all these prize, man.

01:20:31.349 --> 01:20:39.035
[SPEAKER_04]: And I think, David Ellison, David Ellison is like the, you know, the richer version of Tony Khan, and he just bought Paramount.

01:20:39.156 --> 01:20:45.761
[SPEAKER_04]: And now they just did a deal with the UFC like his dad is the number two richest man in the world.

01:20:46.401 --> 01:20:46.681
[SPEAKER_04]: Right.

01:20:47.121 --> 01:20:48.561
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, I know all about that guy trust me.

01:20:48.581 --> 01:20:49.322
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

01:20:49.662 --> 01:20:51.562
[SPEAKER_00]: It's like, but I mean, not all of them.

01:20:51.582 --> 01:20:54.602
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, there's a lot of self made people that have been able to get up there.

01:20:55.443 --> 01:21:00.663
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, not a lot, but a few, but the point is that like, one, that's another thing.

01:21:00.743 --> 01:21:04.784
[SPEAKER_00]: One of the reasons why it's so hard to get behind Tony is because of his background.

01:21:04.844 --> 01:21:13.686
[SPEAKER_00]: And I could be, you know, especially in the world that we live in, right, where we're comparing the one percent, you know, to the night and nine percent and then we're all at.

01:21:14.226 --> 01:21:15.486
[SPEAKER_00]: So that's why, um,

01:21:17.158 --> 01:21:39.843
[SPEAKER_00]: like it's frustrating because i mean i don't know i don't know if they've understood that you know because they've so behind him and damn your cousin is little brother from time to time uh... and uh... and uh... and uh... and uh... and uh... and uh... one of the because i haven't heard they've any of the shows in a while uh... but one of the last ones i heard is that he was marking out because they they watched the same shows growing up or something like that but i'm like

01:21:41.265 --> 01:21:47.288
[SPEAKER_04]: His favorite, like Tony's favorite wrestling shows were Dave's favorite wrestling or something like that.

01:21:47.328 --> 01:21:50.089
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, but Tony was, I mean, Dave was giddy when he was sharing that story.

01:21:50.109 --> 01:21:50.689
[SPEAKER_00]: That's the thing.

01:21:51.630 --> 01:21:57.592
[SPEAKER_00]: But here's the thing, like to me, like, because Dave, I'm sure, I mean, his parents were also very successful.

01:21:57.672 --> 01:22:03.595
[SPEAKER_00]: Dave's, you know, and he had, so to me is like, is this like a privileged child, like, supporting another privileged child?

01:22:04.255 --> 01:22:10.038
[SPEAKER_00]: Another day was the billionaire, but he was well off, because his dad was like an Uber genius or some shit.

01:22:11.799 --> 01:22:20.442
[SPEAKER_00]: But the thing is, to me, it's like, they was blind to the fact that people like Tony are not very well liked in society right now.

01:22:20.462 --> 01:22:25.164
[SPEAKER_00]: They're just not, you know, because Tony is pretty much as a silver spooning to do whatever he wants with it.

01:22:25.925 --> 01:22:30.727
[SPEAKER_00]: And then even they didn't Tony say that Tony went on record and saying like, well, if I don't get the deal, I just keep the company going.

01:22:31.167 --> 01:22:32.868
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, I'm just going to keep going.

01:22:32.968 --> 01:22:34.808
[SPEAKER_00]: And so like, he's never going to answer.

01:22:34.828 --> 01:22:35.549
[SPEAKER_00]: He's a billionaire.

01:22:36.709 --> 01:22:40.130
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, so little things like that make it difficult to get behind.

01:22:40.190 --> 01:22:43.451
[SPEAKER_00]: So all this to say is that I don't believe they're the little engine that could.

01:22:43.471 --> 01:22:45.192
[SPEAKER_00]: They never wore the little engine that could.

01:22:45.512 --> 01:22:50.253
[SPEAKER_00]: Are they are they facing the big behemoth as WWE, but they're all in the same boat.

01:22:50.333 --> 01:22:53.074
[SPEAKER_00]: All these people on the TK's in the same boat as Nick.

01:22:53.094 --> 01:22:54.134
[SPEAKER_00]: They're on the same boat.

01:22:54.414 --> 01:22:55.494
[SPEAKER_00]: They don't relate to us.

01:22:55.594 --> 01:22:56.875
[SPEAKER_00]: You know what I'm saying?

01:22:56.975 --> 01:22:57.175
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.

01:22:57.235 --> 01:23:04.477
[SPEAKER_04]: Tony Con's net worth is more than everybody probably except for maybe Ari Emmanuel for all I know.

01:23:06.542 --> 01:23:08.243
[SPEAKER_00]: Or maybe, maybe even him.

01:23:08.383 --> 01:23:08.623
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, no.

01:23:08.663 --> 01:23:08.863
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

01:23:09.023 --> 01:23:12.184
[SPEAKER_04]: I haven't looked at their net worth.

01:23:12.704 --> 01:23:13.505
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

01:23:13.545 --> 01:23:15.725
[SPEAKER_00]: So it's, I don't know, it's hard for me.

01:23:15.865 --> 01:23:18.566
[SPEAKER_04]: I definitely get your perspective for sure, a hundred percent.

01:23:19.807 --> 01:23:28.190
[SPEAKER_04]: And you know, the thing that his dad says is, so yeah, you know, if we had, we had money put away for the kids and if

01:23:28.944 --> 01:23:34.509
[SPEAKER_04]: If they want to use the money that I put away for them and burn through it, so be it.

01:23:34.530 --> 01:23:36.872
[SPEAKER_00]: That was his reason for starting.

01:23:36.912 --> 01:23:40.695
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I remember that quote.

01:23:40.715 --> 01:23:46.481
[SPEAKER_00]: Let me let me switch topics here really quick because I don't want to talk about Brock and him coming back because I was talking about this with Danny.

01:23:47.082 --> 01:23:49.924
[SPEAKER_00]: We heard the reports of like how Kenny Omega

01:23:50.865 --> 01:23:57.051
[SPEAKER_00]: essentially has to have to literally go into a self-induced coma every time it does one of these matches now, which is kind of sad.

01:23:57.431 --> 01:24:08.021
[SPEAKER_04]: He said that with Dave and I where he like was going to bed at like six o'clock at night and all that I was like this is insane.

01:24:08.121 --> 01:24:11.685
[SPEAKER_04]: Why would you even still wrestle for like if you're this beat up?

01:24:12.395 --> 01:24:17.599
[SPEAKER_00]: Right, it was, it was the same thing that Brock had, right, Brock, the same.

01:24:18.079 --> 01:24:19.900
[SPEAKER_00]: So, so me and then he never took it.

01:24:19.920 --> 01:24:20.140
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

01:24:20.160 --> 01:24:21.161
[SPEAKER_00]: The divertic light is, yeah.

01:24:21.201 --> 01:24:26.585
[SPEAKER_00]: So, so me and then he were wondering, like, I wonder if that's why Brock's matches are so short now.

01:24:26.705 --> 01:24:29.787
[SPEAKER_00]: I wonder if that's why there is so many cardio standpoint.

01:24:29.867 --> 01:24:40.655
[SPEAKER_00]: Right, because if they're knocking out porcany for weeks on end, I imagine Brock's also feeling that if he has like a long match, you know, and then because that's always been something changed

01:24:41.315 --> 01:24:43.536
[SPEAKER_00]: from the old Brock to the Brock we have now.

01:24:43.556 --> 01:24:50.340
[SPEAKER_00]: I know he's getting older and stuff, but that doesn't mean he changed his style completely to where we came safer, very basic.

01:24:50.860 --> 01:24:55.243
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, he doesn't do the suplex city gimmick anymore, which was over for a while.

01:24:55.983 --> 01:25:01.646
[SPEAKER_00]: And I was wondering why is he doing these like nine minute main events where he used to go out there in rest of her twenty twenty five minutes.

01:25:02.486 --> 01:25:03.927
[SPEAKER_00]: And it could be the diver to Clydes.

01:25:03.947 --> 01:25:06.208
[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe it also affects him, you know, after every match.

01:25:07.149 --> 01:25:09.110
[SPEAKER_04]: Who else is he wrestling?

01:25:09.330 --> 01:25:10.791
[SPEAKER_04]: Who else in wrestling had that?

01:25:11.829 --> 01:25:13.551
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, there was one more person you're right.

01:25:14.592 --> 01:25:17.034
[SPEAKER_04]: I mean, I know Jim Ross, but he's not a worker.

01:25:17.074 --> 01:25:18.175
[SPEAKER_04]: Was there another worker?

01:25:18.595 --> 01:25:19.737
[SPEAKER_00]: No, I think it was Jim Ross.

01:25:19.757 --> 01:25:20.798
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, we're thinking of Jim Ross.

01:25:20.818 --> 01:25:21.398
[SPEAKER_00]: He didn't get it.

01:25:21.438 --> 01:25:21.818
[SPEAKER_00]: You're right.

01:25:22.179 --> 01:25:22.479
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.

01:25:22.539 --> 01:25:25.242
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, that is, yeah, that's something I never thought about when it came to Brock.

01:25:25.957 --> 01:25:33.083
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so that's something we'll see what happens when he rest with John Cena because man that guy that guy I got to give John Cena credit that summer slam match was awesome.

01:25:33.303 --> 01:25:34.324
[SPEAKER_00]: That was what's amazing.

01:25:34.625 --> 01:25:38.568
[SPEAKER_00]: He pulled it out thirty thirty five minutes man for forty seven years old.

01:25:38.648 --> 01:25:44.713
[SPEAKER_04]: I guess you hear the perfect person to ask this because as I was watching that match, my thought was

01:25:45.984 --> 01:26:07.505
[SPEAKER_04]: Okay, if I compare apples to apples and if I compared, you know, well, I don't even remember I'm with the last great AEW main event that I would have seen, but I think I sort of compared it to like a great Will Osprey match because of the history that I have with John Cena and because of the moments, you know, we're talking about moments like when he does that,

01:26:08.853 --> 01:26:13.855
[SPEAKER_04]: He does that with that sunset flip move to at the outside.

01:26:13.995 --> 01:26:19.856
[SPEAKER_04]: What would they code red when he does the code red to the floor and he does that little smirk.

01:26:20.697 --> 01:26:23.658
[SPEAKER_04]: I just popped like I couldn't stop smiling when he did that.

01:26:23.678 --> 01:26:28.099
[SPEAKER_04]: Like it's the stupidest thing is breaking the fourth wall, whatever, but that's just John Cena.

01:26:28.119 --> 01:26:37.182
[SPEAKER_04]: I'm like, you know what, I've been watching this dude since, you know, two thousand and two or two thousand, whatever, like this is my moment with him as a fan.

01:26:38.022 --> 01:26:40.343
[SPEAKER_04]: And at the end of that match, I go, okay, apples to apples.

01:26:40.383 --> 01:26:46.285
[SPEAKER_04]: If I was to like unbiously rank this match versus I could great, we'll all spray match.

01:26:46.725 --> 01:26:50.267
[SPEAKER_04]: The will all spray match wins in like this unbiased way.

01:26:50.507 --> 01:26:53.048
[SPEAKER_04]: But to me, what match did I enjoy most?

01:26:53.468 --> 01:26:56.469
[SPEAKER_04]: This scene of match with Cody Rhodes way more.

01:26:56.529 --> 01:27:01.531
[SPEAKER_04]: I loved it way more than this other match that may actually be stylistically better.

01:27:01.971 --> 01:27:04.993
[SPEAKER_04]: But like where do you side on stuff like that?

01:27:05.053 --> 01:27:05.673
[SPEAKER_04]: Like does that?

01:27:06.473 --> 01:27:14.981
[SPEAKER_04]: your connection with that match and with Cena does that supersede maybe you know some of the other stuff that you've seen like a Will Osprey jumping off the cage.

01:27:15.481 --> 01:27:21.186
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, I think Will Osprey is kind of like not the best example enough because he's done a lot of good character work over the last couple years.

01:27:21.607 --> 01:27:28.293
[SPEAKER_00]: So he's going to the point where like we're connecting to the character Will Osprey and like I said earlier that helps moments help, you know.

01:27:29.113 --> 01:27:31.274
[SPEAKER_00]: He's such an endearing guy, the promo.

01:27:31.454 --> 01:27:33.795
[SPEAKER_00]: We never thought it was going to be such a great promo, it just is.

01:27:34.655 --> 01:27:51.720
[SPEAKER_00]: But let's say it was a random, mystical versus, let's say they had a six star match, let's say they had a six star match, mystical and Mercedes Monais boyfriend, whatever is the bull, the bull, right?

01:27:53.401 --> 01:27:56.962
[SPEAKER_00]: I've been drinking tonight, so the bull, right?

01:27:58.484 --> 01:27:59.730
[SPEAKER_00]: And let's say they had a great match.

01:27:59.791 --> 01:28:00.514
[SPEAKER_00]: I would acknowledge you.

01:28:00.534 --> 01:28:01.278
[SPEAKER_00]: I was a great match.

01:28:01.318 --> 01:28:02.202
[SPEAKER_00]: Mr. Go in the ball.

01:28:03.192 --> 01:28:09.456
[SPEAKER_00]: But John Cena and Cody would be way better, even though they didn't have the quality of match that the other guys had.

01:28:09.556 --> 01:28:14.280
[SPEAKER_00]: For the same reason you said, I mean, it's John Cena where we've been connected to this guy for years.

01:28:14.760 --> 01:28:16.121
[SPEAKER_00]: The moments are there.

01:28:17.802 --> 01:28:24.187
[SPEAKER_00]: One of the reasons why WWE style is way slower is because they want you to sync with the moments, right?

01:28:24.787 --> 01:28:25.488
[SPEAKER_00]: The sound jobs.

01:28:25.508 --> 01:28:30.151
[SPEAKER_00]: Every time they do a high spot, they replay a mover and overt because they want you to remember the big moments.

01:28:30.651 --> 01:28:42.323
[SPEAKER_00]: Right when when when Logan Paul crashed into a jelly row who was holding his balls those blocking it whatever reason he was holding it also his balls We got that replay over and over.

01:28:42.483 --> 01:28:42.684
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah

01:28:44.143 --> 01:28:52.390
[SPEAKER_00]: He's a good example, by the way, Logan Paul, who's relatively new, but has been promoted with all these moments, right?

01:28:52.490 --> 01:28:56.774
[SPEAKER_00]: Now when I think of him, I think this is awesome worker, who's like, it was like a prodigy.

01:28:57.154 --> 01:28:57.394
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

01:28:57.615 --> 01:29:01.198
[SPEAKER_00]: So when I see him wrestle, like his matches always stay with me.

01:29:01.598 --> 01:29:05.141
[SPEAKER_00]: And so I think, I think A, that we need to get better at the moments.

01:29:05.361 --> 01:29:08.884
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, they would be, if they could solve that riddle, they would be amazing.

01:29:08.924 --> 01:29:10.746
[SPEAKER_00]: I would be all in on them, no pun intended.

01:29:11.126 --> 01:29:12.066
[SPEAKER_00]: But so answer your question.

01:29:12.086 --> 01:29:14.467
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I would I would go with Cori and John Cena.

01:29:15.528 --> 01:29:31.754
[SPEAKER_04]: You know, it's interesting what's interesting about their social media Dave and the observer he lists out the top YouTube videos and the the amount of views that they get and when I see the AEW stuff

01:29:32.925 --> 01:29:39.828
[SPEAKER_04]: It's always guys who have a WWE past because WWE is so much better at the social media.

01:29:39.888 --> 01:29:40.548
[SPEAKER_04]: Of course, they are.

01:29:40.588 --> 01:29:42.729
[SPEAKER_04]: They have full team to do that stuff.

01:29:43.009 --> 01:29:44.190
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but Tony has money now.

01:29:44.230 --> 01:29:45.270
[SPEAKER_01]: You need to get a full team.

01:29:45.310 --> 01:29:46.911
[SPEAKER_04]: He does the entire smart people.

01:29:47.571 --> 01:30:00.737
[SPEAKER_04]: And you know, one of the things is like, is it great that the most viewed AEW video is like, fifty two year old Adam Copeland, they're hugging Christian, you know, like, like,

01:30:01.877 --> 01:30:15.770
[SPEAKER_04]: that's the stuff that resonates to what is supposed to be the younger audience instead of like why is the will last very thing not the top video or why is mjf not the top video though I think we didn't we didn't really because again with name is like

01:30:21.535 --> 01:30:28.699
[SPEAKER_00]: Again, he'll sit there and it's like there's something he can't help himself because he's such a big fan of matches, but he'll sit there and tell you all day long.

01:30:28.719 --> 01:30:41.686
[SPEAKER_00]: He's not about matches, he's not about matches, you know, and then like within the next sense, he's talking about the greatest match ever and how this the show, they will always start when he's criticizing or show with how good the matches were.

01:30:41.746 --> 01:30:43.546
[SPEAKER_00]: That's always going to be the barometer for Dave.

01:30:43.907 --> 01:30:45.968
[SPEAKER_00]: And it shouldn't be like that because to me, the matches

01:30:47.153 --> 01:30:49.875
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, they're there, but it's like, there's other things, right?

01:30:49.895 --> 01:30:50.896
[SPEAKER_00]: It's a variety show.

01:30:51.316 --> 01:30:52.718
[SPEAKER_00]: Was there good angles?

01:30:52.758 --> 01:30:53.798
[SPEAKER_00]: Was there good promos?

01:30:53.818 --> 01:30:55.500
[SPEAKER_00]: Was there, how was the production?

01:30:56.060 --> 01:30:56.360
[SPEAKER_00]: You know?

01:30:58.422 --> 01:31:05.888
[SPEAKER_00]: And so, and so, again, he'll say, not matches are not good, and then he'll be like, well, the matches were great, and it was a great show because of that.

01:31:06.288 --> 01:31:10.852
[SPEAKER_00]: And your point that you're making now, I wonder if he hears it like how he would respond to that.

01:31:11.630 --> 01:31:14.271
[SPEAKER_04]: So you come from a movie background.

01:31:15.451 --> 01:31:25.095
[SPEAKER_04]: And if you were to rank, like I'm thinking Cody Rhodes and John Cena, maybe it's equivalent to like top gun maverick or something.

01:31:25.796 --> 01:31:26.096
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.

01:31:26.937 --> 01:31:40.565
[SPEAKER_04]: And versus like a very like art house kind of film that actually you watch and you go, wow, like that the acting, the directing was just top notch.

01:31:40.825 --> 01:31:47.249
[SPEAKER_04]: Like, do you sit in the same spot with movies or our movies different for for a reason or two?

01:31:48.091 --> 01:31:53.853
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I have a criteria with movies, but at the same time, I acknowledge when they're not for me.

01:31:56.173 --> 01:31:57.934
[SPEAKER_00]: For example, Superman is a great example.

01:31:58.274 --> 01:32:00.655
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, because I always also go with the consensus.

01:32:00.715 --> 01:32:06.617
[SPEAKER_00]: I respect the consensus quite a lot because the consensus is like a bell shaped curve.

01:32:06.977 --> 01:32:07.657
[SPEAKER_00]: It doesn't lie.

01:32:07.677 --> 01:32:10.798
[SPEAKER_00]: It's the population's opinion on anything.

01:32:12.199 --> 01:32:15.621
[SPEAKER_00]: So, so I always respect the consensus and I don't always agree with the consensus.

01:32:15.641 --> 01:32:16.701
[SPEAKER_00]: Therefore I say, you know what?

01:32:16.762 --> 01:32:19.683
[SPEAKER_00]: This is not for me, whatever, but I understand why.

01:32:19.703 --> 01:32:26.408
[SPEAKER_00]: I will always go back to the to the sandwich sandwich on a Knoxville match, okay?

01:32:27.248 --> 01:32:30.570
[SPEAKER_00]: Because that was a very like that was just they being hardheaded.

01:32:31.211 --> 01:32:32.232
[SPEAKER_00]: That match got over.

01:32:32.312 --> 01:32:32.792
[SPEAKER_00]: It got over.

01:32:32.832 --> 01:32:33.312
[SPEAKER_00]: It got over.

01:32:33.352 --> 01:32:33.853
[SPEAKER_00]: It got over.

01:32:34.233 --> 01:32:35.013
[SPEAKER_00]: It was amazing.

01:32:35.093 --> 01:32:36.995
[SPEAKER_00]: And Brian was marking out everybody's mark.

01:32:37.075 --> 01:32:38.796
[SPEAKER_00]: I was marking out, but

01:32:39.782 --> 01:32:44.565
[SPEAKER_00]: It was still very rigid in the analysis with David.

01:32:45.505 --> 01:32:53.570
[SPEAKER_00]: But then you're going to turn on and have Kenny Omega trying to stab John Moxley and mean, well, I don't like that stuff, but I'm going to give it five stars.

01:32:54.090 --> 01:32:56.772
[SPEAKER_00]: That's where it gets a little like there's a discrepancy there.

01:32:57.572 --> 01:33:02.275
[SPEAKER_00]: When it comes to movies, it's like, I'll see the art house one, and I'll love it, right?

01:33:02.455 --> 01:33:05.036
[SPEAKER_00]: Four stars or whatever, because movies are usually four stars.

01:33:05.757 --> 01:33:10.359
[SPEAKER_00]: And although I have a ten, like nine on ten, seven, and that's my scale.

01:33:12.120 --> 01:33:17.043
[SPEAKER_00]: And then I'll see like a, like a sloppy, like low budget greenhouse movie, right?

01:33:17.083 --> 01:33:18.444
[SPEAKER_00]: That has a big cold following.

01:33:19.084 --> 01:33:23.227
[SPEAKER_00]: I understand the charm of it is not for me, but I also give it its props, you know?

01:33:23.787 --> 01:33:24.988
[SPEAKER_00]: So that's kind of how I view it.

01:33:26.528 --> 01:33:43.658
[SPEAKER_04]: are let's end this and one one time you told me you said, uh, if if the fatitas ever get back into the UFC, then that's when I'll start watching the UFC is now that hasn't happened, but the latest rumor they're getting there though.

01:33:44.079 --> 01:33:45.880
[SPEAKER_04]: Is that Lorenzo for Tita?

01:33:46.773 --> 01:33:50.196
[SPEAKER_04]: could possibly be a buyer for TNA.

01:33:50.256 --> 01:33:59.083
[SPEAKER_04]: Now, that rumor was on fire Thursday evening by the time people watch this, that'll be a few days prior.

01:33:59.683 --> 01:34:04.207
[SPEAKER_04]: But the name Lorenzo Furtita coming up in a pro wrestling.

01:34:04.487 --> 01:34:09.671
[SPEAKER_04]: I never thought I would connect, see those two, that name connect with pro wrestling.

01:34:09.731 --> 01:34:11.712
[SPEAKER_04]: But the theory behind this is,

01:34:12.613 --> 01:34:16.236
[SPEAKER_04]: WWE doesn't want to outright own TNA because of anti trust.

01:34:16.677 --> 01:34:23.102
[SPEAKER_04]: So that's let's bring a friend of TKO in and have him be the owner, but we'll still run it.

01:34:23.542 --> 01:34:25.944
[SPEAKER_04]: You know, he, he will be the official owner.

01:34:26.204 --> 01:34:31.109
[SPEAKER_04]: We'll have TKO people actually run run the company.

01:34:31.129 --> 01:34:33.310
[SPEAKER_04]: A, how crazy is this rumor?

01:34:33.330 --> 01:34:34.151
[SPEAKER_04]: And B,

01:34:35.899 --> 01:34:54.134
[SPEAKER_00]: like do you think there's any truth to it at all or do you sit on the you know this is bullshit until we get more information now that's all or nothing thinking I think that I think there's there's nuance to this but I do question my biggest question is why like Lorenzo's coming his money for the rest of his life like

01:34:55.115 --> 01:35:00.517
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, he's butts with, uh, with Dana and stuff like that, but, but it just seems more trouble than it's worth.

01:35:00.557 --> 01:35:18.464
[SPEAKER_00]: It's one of those situations like, okay, why do you want, like, go get someone else, you know, go get like, like, like Lorenzo has, he's cashed out, you know, and, and that's my biggest thing, like, why would he do that, especially because there is going to be that residue of like negative attention to it because people are going to see through that.

01:35:18.724 --> 01:35:19.505
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, right.

01:35:19.565 --> 01:35:22.286
[SPEAKER_04]: They'll figure out, I mean, they've already figured out the reason.

01:35:22.666 --> 01:35:25.467
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so why would a restaurant even put up with that shit?

01:35:25.507 --> 01:35:26.307
[SPEAKER_00]: He's wealthy.

01:35:26.327 --> 01:35:27.787
[SPEAKER_00]: He doesn't need that stress.

01:35:27.827 --> 01:35:29.788
[SPEAKER_00]: And he doesn't even like wrestling.

01:35:29.808 --> 01:35:32.588
[SPEAKER_00]: Does he even know what TNA is?

01:35:32.748 --> 01:35:33.089
[SPEAKER_00]: You know?

01:35:33.109 --> 01:35:33.869
[SPEAKER_00]: Probably not.

01:35:34.089 --> 01:35:36.109
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, maybe it is like tits and ass.

01:35:36.149 --> 01:35:39.670
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, Mr. Risto, you just, like, yeah.

01:35:39.710 --> 01:35:41.130
[SPEAKER_00]: So that's my only thing.

01:35:41.170 --> 01:35:43.051
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, that's where I'm like, wait a minute.

01:35:43.351 --> 01:35:45.051
[SPEAKER_00]: That's where it doesn't make sense, you know?

01:35:45.111 --> 01:35:45.351
[SPEAKER_04]: Okay.

01:35:45.371 --> 01:35:48.692
[SPEAKER_04]: So Dave did not outright say this.

01:35:49.632 --> 01:35:51.373
[SPEAKER_04]: But if I'm connecting the dots,

01:35:53.395 --> 01:36:07.359
[SPEAKER_04]: He said Lorenzo had sellers remorse, very soon after selling the UFC because of how they were able to create an even bigger business after he sold.

01:36:07.419 --> 01:36:14.801
[SPEAKER_04]: And he even said he doesn't think Lorenzo wanted to sell it, but the price was so high that he kind of had to sell it.

01:36:16.001 --> 01:36:17.942
[SPEAKER_04]: And so I sensed when he said that,

01:36:19.033 --> 01:36:37.007
[SPEAKER_04]: that maybe Lorenzo somehow wants to be connected to TKO or to the UFC, maybe he wants back in, maybe he wants that sweet, doing the Rock Johnson deal where you get to board seat and he gets shares of the company every six months or whatever.

01:36:37.547 --> 01:36:40.569
[SPEAKER_04]: But it sounds like maybe he misses being a part of the whole thing.

01:36:40.609 --> 01:36:43.712
[SPEAKER_04]: So it could be kind of a slight avenue back in.

01:36:44.675 --> 01:36:47.016
[SPEAKER_00]: Why didn't he get involved with the boxing company then?

01:36:47.497 --> 01:36:47.997
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, true.

01:36:48.257 --> 01:37:03.445
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, or maybe that is maybe he will maybe maybe that's more his passion, you know, he's a boxing guy and also nothing to is that he's like he's like three or four degrees separate from like the WWE it's not like the like

01:37:03.925 --> 01:37:06.525
[SPEAKER_00]: And then my question becomes, why would they not want to do that?

01:37:06.806 --> 01:37:09.546
[SPEAKER_00]: Because they know would be like the middle person between all this.

01:37:10.066 --> 01:37:13.487
[SPEAKER_00]: They know has, you know, he's another guy that has all kinds of stuff going for him.

01:37:13.527 --> 01:37:14.487
[SPEAKER_00]: He's got a lot of stress.

01:37:15.507 --> 01:37:21.268
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, and another being at France, or they're not, or they're not being company people.

01:37:21.288 --> 01:37:22.848
[SPEAKER_00]: It's just why, they're why.

01:37:22.928 --> 01:37:31.470
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, WWE could always get like another shell company with another person that's not even connected to buy this company and run it or whatever.

01:37:33.716 --> 01:37:34.376
[SPEAKER_00]: And I get it.

01:37:34.396 --> 01:37:36.638
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, they want TNA to be the number two brand.

01:37:36.738 --> 01:37:43.062
[SPEAKER_00]: I, you know, they want TNA to be the one that says, okay, whether they want to kind of muscle a W out by using TNA.

01:37:43.143 --> 01:37:44.043
[SPEAKER_00]: I get all that stuff.

01:37:44.103 --> 01:37:47.606
[SPEAKER_00]: And for business purposes, even though it's predatory, it makes sense.

01:37:49.367 --> 01:37:53.810
[SPEAKER_00]: My question is, Lorenzo, for Tina's such a weird-ass name to pull out of her hat.

01:37:54.891 --> 01:38:00.234
[SPEAKER_00]: When you have other people that could do that for you, and why not get like Nikon Sister or something?

01:38:00.254 --> 01:38:03.076
[SPEAKER_00]: She's not with her, right?

01:38:03.196 --> 01:38:04.557
[SPEAKER_00]: She's in Hollywood though, isn't she?

01:38:04.957 --> 01:38:06.598
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, she's like a producer in Hollywood.

01:38:06.959 --> 01:38:11.181
[SPEAKER_00]: She was the one that produced the Rock's younger.

01:38:11.442 --> 01:38:13.123
[SPEAKER_00]: Young rock, yeah, which I liked by the way.

01:38:13.403 --> 01:38:14.544
[SPEAKER_00]: Did you really like that show?

01:38:14.864 --> 01:38:16.025
[SPEAKER_00]: Except for under the giant.

01:38:16.065 --> 01:38:17.426
[SPEAKER_00]: That was a horror bar under the giant.

01:38:18.086 --> 01:38:20.027
[SPEAKER_00]: because he wasn't even like big or nothing.

01:38:20.047 --> 01:38:21.847
[SPEAKER_00]: It was just like just the dude.

01:38:22.348 --> 01:38:33.372
[SPEAKER_04]: Okay, so the entry point or the reason why brought to TNA thing wasn't just talk about Lorenzo, but I wanted to get your thoughts as we end the show about this idea.

01:38:34.832 --> 01:38:36.514
[SPEAKER_04]: Net again, this is all rumor.

01:38:36.934 --> 01:38:50.930
[SPEAKER_04]: There's nothing substantial that I've seen outside of these are just ideas of possibly getting TNA to compete head to head with a W Dynamite, presumably on the CW network.

01:38:51.730 --> 01:39:08.617
[SPEAKER_04]: because I think A&E like WWE content can't draw flies on there so I don't I don't think A&E would be the choice but let's say they can get on CW the idea of putting T&A on Wednesday nights to chip away at the AEW TV show.

01:39:09.868 --> 01:39:25.475
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I mean, I don't know, CNN is so below a WS far as fan base and whatnot, but if they start working again, if they start giving us the moments in the good matches, they could creep up, you know, they're going to have the WWE machine behind them, so they'll definitely get the exposure.

01:39:26.342 --> 01:39:44.060
[SPEAKER_04]: would would Cody Rhodes showing up and possibly doing a match with moose or steampunk you know getting a six man tag with the hearty's on you know on his team like with that stuff

01:39:44.701 --> 01:39:46.302
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, not all the time, right?

01:39:46.322 --> 01:39:49.985
[SPEAKER_00]: They do that all the time and NXT and sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't.

01:39:50.005 --> 01:39:51.866
[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe you have undertaker cutting a promo.

01:39:51.946 --> 01:40:04.236
[SPEAKER_04]: See, that's the stuff that I think wouldn't work because I think I think the part of the thing that would possibly work, and I don't even know if it would work is if you go back five years when NXT and AWS went head to head.

01:40:04.776 --> 01:40:09.678
[SPEAKER_04]: they would bring in the WWE talent, but WWE was far less popular than it is right now.

01:40:09.998 --> 01:40:21.281
[SPEAKER_04]: So I think that's the question that would be answered is now five years later, their way more popular would those crossover promotion would that work better?

01:40:22.121 --> 01:40:26.543
[SPEAKER_04]: Because it didn't work the first time with NXT and AWS, would it work now if you had

01:40:27.163 --> 01:40:47.699
[SPEAKER_04]: Cody wrote you know could they actually beat a rating of AEW if you had Cody Rhodes and moose in the main event or whoever Cody Rhodes and trick Williams whatever it is but I think that would be the question and you would really need to integrate TNA with some of the main roster stuff to see if that would work but then if it didn't work

01:40:49.587 --> 01:40:57.193
[SPEAKER_04]: then you're just going to get your ass kicked on Wednesday night, which did not vote well for Triple H, that first time that it ended.

01:40:57.233 --> 01:40:58.134
[SPEAKER_00]: They just closed it.

01:40:58.154 --> 01:40:59.916
[SPEAKER_00]: You just closed TNA is right.

01:40:59.956 --> 01:41:00.416
[SPEAKER_00]: Right.

01:41:00.796 --> 01:41:01.117
[SPEAKER_00]: Right.

01:41:01.597 --> 01:41:03.839
[SPEAKER_00]: And like right now, they have Triple A as well.

01:41:03.919 --> 01:41:06.902
[SPEAKER_00]: So I mean, why don't they put Triple A on Wednesdays try to get a TV deal for it.

01:41:07.502 --> 01:41:09.424
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, maybe that's another strategy they're trying to do.

01:41:09.784 --> 01:41:10.765
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, are you going to watch?

01:41:10.845 --> 01:41:11.425
[SPEAKER_04]: True of many.

01:41:11.686 --> 01:41:12.406
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah.

01:41:12.446 --> 01:41:13.867
[SPEAKER_00]: That's like this looks like a good show.

01:41:13.887 --> 01:41:15.909
[SPEAKER_00]: You know what Triple A has me excited about that.

01:41:17.191 --> 01:41:21.505
[SPEAKER_00]: But it's always been you know what I'm gonna miss is that triply was so wacky.

01:41:21.666 --> 01:41:22.488
[SPEAKER_00]: It was wacky.

01:41:24.645 --> 01:41:30.630
[SPEAKER_00]: There was this, I don't know if you know this, but the second La Parka passed away, legit, like a few years ago.

01:41:31.211 --> 01:41:35.575
[SPEAKER_00]: And there was this match where Vampiral, we called him, me and then he called him Vampiral, Vampiral.

01:41:36.115 --> 01:41:38.077
[SPEAKER_00]: He was having a match with Jeff Gerry, right?

01:41:38.537 --> 01:41:39.678
[SPEAKER_00]: Like a street fight.

01:41:40.579 --> 01:41:42.461
[SPEAKER_00]: And they had a coffin there, dude.

01:41:43.122 --> 01:41:45.864
[SPEAKER_00]: And they opened the coffin and La Parka was in the coffin.

01:41:46.244 --> 01:41:47.025
[SPEAKER_00]: Now, here's the thing.

01:41:47.505 --> 01:41:48.767
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, you're thinking American.

01:41:49.668 --> 01:41:54.129
[SPEAKER_00]: For the Mexican audience, it's a weird like that's that you're paying respect to that character.

01:41:54.149 --> 01:41:58.450
[SPEAKER_00]: So you're not over, you know, but that's the whackiness that I'm going to miss about about.

01:41:58.790 --> 01:42:02.871
[SPEAKER_04]: Go watch Coco for those folks who may not understand.

01:42:02.891 --> 01:42:09.473
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, and also, and also the fact that I was thinking, how are they going to get mystery?

01:42:10.814 --> 01:42:12.275
[SPEAKER_00]: It's short for marijuana.

01:42:12.475 --> 01:42:13.857
[SPEAKER_00]: It's marijuana.

01:42:14.197 --> 01:42:14.577
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.

01:42:14.998 --> 01:42:18.281
[SPEAKER_00]: He and and and yes, uh, it's a slang for weed.

01:42:18.582 --> 01:42:18.842
[SPEAKER_03]: Yes.

01:42:19.142 --> 01:42:19.643
[SPEAKER_00]: It's lizard.

01:42:20.448 --> 01:42:22.729
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm thinking there's no way it's gonna get through.

01:42:23.270 --> 01:42:37.659
[SPEAKER_00]: But then you had Joel Tesla throughout their saying, yes, go over and I was pop because I was like, he's saying weed, like literally it's saying just others weed and so there's still there's still there's still getting through through their sensors or Joe test turns also cool.

01:42:37.739 --> 01:42:38.439
[SPEAKER_04]: So maybe he can.

01:42:38.459 --> 01:42:39.100
[SPEAKER_00]: He's awesome.

01:42:39.280 --> 01:42:46.685
[SPEAKER_00]: He's one of the ones that he's really, he's really good at his job and ages he comes up as a fan, but he's also very at the straight man.

01:42:47.613 --> 01:42:52.616
[SPEAKER_00]: But no, but I was like, so, so the wackiness, I'm going to miss because they're, they're already tweaking it.

01:42:52.636 --> 01:42:53.557
[SPEAKER_00]: They're already tweaking it.

01:42:53.617 --> 01:42:56.438
[SPEAKER_00]: I've already see they got Conan out of the broadcast booth unfortunately.

01:42:56.458 --> 01:42:56.999
[SPEAKER_04]: Well, we'll see.

01:42:57.119 --> 01:42:58.820
[SPEAKER_04]: JBL says he's going to be in there.

01:42:58.840 --> 01:42:59.640
[SPEAKER_04]: Okay.

01:42:59.840 --> 01:43:02.902
[SPEAKER_04]: And he wasn't presented as being in there by WWE.

01:43:02.942 --> 01:43:04.843
[SPEAKER_04]: So we'll see what happens actually on Saturday.

01:43:05.144 --> 01:43:12.468
[SPEAKER_04]: By the way, people listening to this and watching this by the time this air is it'll be after Triple Mania, but I had to ask Draven because I was

01:43:12.588 --> 01:43:15.789
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, but also it'll be it'll be our kind of on their YouTube channel.

01:43:15.809 --> 01:43:17.190
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, you just go to YouTube and watch it.

01:43:17.210 --> 01:43:24.373
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, because the other thing to about JBL don't don't get fooled by the fact that he's JBL he's actually been working for them for a while.

01:43:24.553 --> 01:43:25.934
[SPEAKER_00]: And so he knows what's going on.

01:43:26.414 --> 01:43:27.455
[SPEAKER_00]: That's part of the wackiness.

01:43:27.475 --> 01:43:32.797
[SPEAKER_00]: You have JBL running around with the cowboy hat and his little bow, his little cow bow and he's been a part of though.

01:43:32.817 --> 01:43:34.418
[SPEAKER_00]: He's been like one of their top heels.

01:43:34.858 --> 01:43:36.279
[SPEAKER_00]: I would say for the last year or so.

01:43:36.359 --> 01:43:36.499
[SPEAKER_00]: So

01:43:37.279 --> 01:43:38.660
[SPEAKER_00]: He's very familiar with the product.

01:43:38.680 --> 01:43:41.942
[SPEAKER_00]: So they're not doing the corporate thing where they're bringing in one of their guys.

01:43:41.982 --> 01:43:43.083
[SPEAKER_00]: He knows what's happening there.

01:43:43.504 --> 01:43:47.426
[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm sure they just needed somebody to be more bombastic than Conan, who was laid back.

01:43:47.766 --> 01:43:50.128
[SPEAKER_00]: He probably had some of the marijuana himself that day.

01:43:51.029 --> 01:43:54.331
[SPEAKER_00]: He was just chilling, you know, Iranian, Iranian tobacco.

01:43:54.411 --> 01:43:55.612
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, the Iranian tobacco.

01:43:56.653 --> 01:44:01.476
[SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, so Mr. Iwana's a pun on weed culture and they let that one go through.

01:44:01.896 --> 01:44:03.317
[SPEAKER_00]: And that's the guy that really got over.

01:44:03.577 --> 01:44:04.718
[SPEAKER_00]: He got a contract out of it.

01:44:06.915 --> 01:44:07.455
[SPEAKER_04]: Good for him.

01:44:07.835 --> 01:44:10.656
[SPEAKER_04]: What's up with Corey Graves' brother?

01:44:10.676 --> 01:44:13.657
[SPEAKER_04]: Because why was he involved?

01:44:13.977 --> 01:44:15.177
[SPEAKER_04]: Because he's not with him anymore.

01:44:15.197 --> 01:44:16.738
[SPEAKER_04]: He ever would happen.

01:44:16.778 --> 01:44:19.358
[SPEAKER_04]: Like, this would be kind of perfect for him, don't you think?

01:44:19.598 --> 01:44:22.979
[SPEAKER_00]: I think he just left all the companies, his contract run down and he left.

01:44:23.159 --> 01:44:25.400
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, everybody, you know, eventually doesn't every company.

01:44:25.900 --> 01:44:27.721
[SPEAKER_00]: He doesn't, he's not active though, right?

01:44:28.681 --> 01:44:29.481
[SPEAKER_00]: He doesn't in these shots.

01:44:29.581 --> 01:44:30.461
[SPEAKER_00]: I think he works for him out.

01:44:30.741 --> 01:44:31.942
[SPEAKER_04]: W. Okay.

01:44:32.902 --> 01:44:33.402
[SPEAKER_04]: Interesting.

01:44:33.802 --> 01:44:34.082
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

01:44:34.102 --> 01:44:34.883
[SPEAKER_00]: Adonis, right?

01:44:35.083 --> 01:44:36.063
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, damn Adonis.

01:44:36.994 --> 01:44:37.254
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

01:44:37.374 --> 01:44:38.114
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

01:44:38.134 --> 01:44:40.095
[SPEAKER_04]: He would be perfect for this.

01:44:40.135 --> 01:44:40.695
[SPEAKER_00]: Bring him back.

01:44:40.735 --> 01:44:41.836
[SPEAKER_04]: No, that his brothers couldn't.

01:44:41.876 --> 01:44:42.636
[SPEAKER_00]: So the connection.

01:44:42.816 --> 01:44:43.336
[SPEAKER_04]: Hopefully.

01:44:43.697 --> 01:44:47.018
[SPEAKER_04]: Well, I mean, I don't know, maybe there's another reason why he's not there that I think.

01:44:47.038 --> 01:44:55.861
[SPEAKER_00]: But he does the stereotypical like American, you know, kind of everybody, like slangs, like, you know, stereotypes and they get all mad at him.

01:44:55.961 --> 01:44:58.362
[SPEAKER_00]: So I don't know if the WWE wants that on their TV.

01:44:58.782 --> 01:44:59.042
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.

01:44:59.102 --> 01:45:00.063
[SPEAKER_04]: No, a hundred percent.

01:45:00.103 --> 01:45:00.523
[SPEAKER_04]: I get that.

01:45:00.543 --> 01:45:00.883
[SPEAKER_00]: He does.

01:45:00.903 --> 01:45:04.384
[SPEAKER_00]: He's like, he's like, he's like, they're a version of like, Kobe Cumminton, you know?

01:45:06.725 --> 01:45:07.366
[SPEAKER_00]: That was his gimmick.

01:45:07.406 --> 01:45:09.647
[SPEAKER_00]: It was like the Colby Coventon of Triple A. Yeah.

01:45:10.167 --> 01:45:11.308
[SPEAKER_04]: All right.

01:45:11.388 --> 01:45:12.549
[SPEAKER_04]: We are done here.

01:45:13.429 --> 01:45:23.015
[SPEAKER_04]: Appreciate driving by the way as I probably told you this already, but you know, I do get feedback about this show and these guys who are listening, they definitely put you over.

01:45:23.335 --> 01:45:30.459
[SPEAKER_04]: They say, you know, you have a very, you have a very intelligent and unique perspective on wrestling and they like it when we, when we talk about it.

01:45:30.519 --> 01:45:33.501
[SPEAKER_04]: So shout out to you for, for doing this.

01:45:33.901 --> 01:45:35.522
[SPEAKER_04]: And yeah, I've been watching a long time.

01:45:36.387 --> 01:45:38.489
[SPEAKER_04]: And we'll be back with more eighty four.

01:45:38.529 --> 01:45:42.972
[SPEAKER_04]: Well, we'll hopefully we'll be back a little sooner than last time because I think we've got to play a little bit of catch up.

01:45:43.473 --> 01:45:54.401
[SPEAKER_04]: But we're going to try and get through eighty four and then we'll figure out if we do more or not, but I think it's this has been a fun thing for me to do.

01:45:54.421 --> 01:45:56.122
[SPEAKER_04]: I always look forward to us doing this show.

01:45:56.222 --> 01:45:58.344
[SPEAKER_04]: So that is it from here.

01:45:58.404 --> 01:45:59.445
[SPEAKER_04]: Hope folks enjoyed it.

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[SPEAKER_04]: You can check us out on fightgamemedia.com for all of the content.

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[SPEAKER_04]: But for Draven, I am WG.

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[SPEAKER_04]: We will see you when we see you peace out.