The Running Man (1987): Jesse Ventura, Jim Brown, Toru Tanaka & the Full Fight Game Breakdown | Popcorn & Piledrivers

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[SPEAKER_00]: hey, hey, welcome to the weekend.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I hope everyone's having a good Saturday.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Jeremy and I are here on the latest episode of popcorn and pile drivers.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to fix this background while we do this.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I should have done this before we went live.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There we go.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, sorry for those who were watching live had to deal with that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: All right, so what are we doing?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like last time we did, we kind of revamped popcorn and pow drivers.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We want to tie in these movies to not only have to be no holds barred.

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[SPEAKER_00]: but ready to rumble those kind of movies.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But have still close relationships to wrestling or MMA or boxing, but also be about something else entirely.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so last time we did they live with Routy Routy Piper.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And this time we're doing the running man.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And when Jeremy and I were talking about what's next, I forgot exactly how this came on my radar.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But I was like, wait, running man, Schwarzenegger's tangentially related will tie it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We'll tie this stuff in.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, Jesse, the body of Intura, Captain Freedom, let's go.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, Professor Toru Tanaka as a stalker.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Wow.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, Kurt Fuller, who two years later,

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[SPEAKER_00]: Is next to Hulk Hogan the current forward in the next couple of code in those parts.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So that made it a lot of fun.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So, okay, I haven't seen the running man maybe since the movie came out in the theaters in 1987.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So let's rock.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So what did you think of watching this movie?

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[SPEAKER_00]: How many every years later?

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[SPEAKER_00]: It is now.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I had fun watching it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I was the first time watching it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And there's a lot of these action movies in the 80s.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I was born in 81.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So unless I was specifically with Go back and watch these movies, my parents were just like, you're, you're not over enough to watch this movie.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then there's a stock pile movies that they're not on HBO.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And they're not on cinema.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And you're just reading the box, the video store.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, you don't know, you know, so I watched it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I could imagine it being kind of edgy for it's time, but now it's, they're gonna want to camp to it, but there's also a lot of, hey, this is their vision of 2025 and you didn't get it in time.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, well, it's kind of related to the last movie that we did, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's like the future is bleak.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Mass media is taking over and it's really about the elite and that's the only

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[SPEAKER_00]: like both of those themes are very relevant in the two movies that we've done.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I was like, we're watching American Gladiators in American, I don't want to show.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think this directly led to the creation of American Gladiators, or at least it was inspiring the creation of American Gladiators, is the way that they did this movie with the stalkers versus in the book version.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And we'll kind of go back and forth and explain the difference between

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[SPEAKER_00]: The Stephen King novel, which is not written under his name, Stephen King, it is written under the name of Richard Bachman, and we'll go through the origin of that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, and then there's another movie that came out last year starring Glenn Powell, that is a lot more closely aligned to the book.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But it did not anybody's socks off.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I enjoyed it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I thought it was really fun, but it didn't do gangbusters at the box office.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So we'll kind of combine all three of them.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's an interesting, the movie is interesting because a lot of movies are taken over by the flash and the buzz abs and like the spectacle of the movie without any real plot.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But that was actually the point of this movie was that all the spectacle and all of this

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[SPEAKER_01]: I thought that was interesting, you know, like using the devices of how the movie were made in the 80s and leaning into it to make, to make the example more prevalent in the movie.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I want to shout out, Daza, who had left a note on this video when we published it, and Daza was like,

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[SPEAKER_00]: The I bockman was those those bockman books were like the first adult books that I ever read.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So shout out to dad's who's hanging out.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Also, of course, Fernando who's always hanging out with us, appreciate y'all in the live feed.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm all our dads that's here.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Here's a piece here.

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[SPEAKER_01]: If you're interested, I want to do right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We only need Paul Fontaine to make it complete for Deza.

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[SPEAKER_00]: OK, so let's dig into a little bit of the, I guess you would call the origin story of how this movie was made.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So the source material comes from the Stephen King novel, like I said, writing as Richard Bachman.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And the idea for King was I'm going to use this pen name, write some darker stuff, maybe to see if I can generate the same interest without my real name.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Obviously, you said the book is a it's set in 2025 though I think the movie, I think I want to say they said it in like 2017 or 2019 or something like that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think 20.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And the Ben Richards character is much different than the Arnold Schwarzenegger version of this character, a smaller man unemployed.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's really just here to buy medicine for his dying daughter, the Glenn Powell version of this movie, follows that same storyline.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And in the book,

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[SPEAKER_00]: It actually ends with Ben Richards committing suicide to crash into the headquarters of the games network that is televising this event.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Obviously the Arnold Schwarzenegger movie does not end that way, Arnold then somehow Arnold,

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[SPEAKER_00]: and Maria conchita alonso just end up kissing and leaving the stage and that's the end of the movie.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't imagine you could have gotten away with Arnold Schwarzenegger committing suicide by crashing a plane into the building in 1987.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I'm not so sure about that either.

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[SPEAKER_01]: What I would do in the Crash Course on the book, apparently the Ben Richards character has a wife that becomes a prostitute because of the social anxieties of just trying to survive and like everything about their life just turned favorable.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And they didn't want the downer,

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[SPEAKER_00]: aspect in the movie and I get that but they're definitely a total and we'll get into kind of the genesis of how this change because the movie originally, different star, different director, what was going down this darker path and once you get Arnold in the thing you can't do that, it's just going to become a different thing altogether.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Uh, yeah, the the wife going the prostitute route like that is part of the reason why the Richard's character is so desperate is because he does not like his end the way that it's written.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He does not like his wife earning money laying on her back.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The other thing about the book that is a little jarring is just the blatant and casual racism in the book.

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[SPEAKER_00]: it is it is prevalent in in in the book and it you like like I said it's a little jarring like I am I never read the book originally but I when we when we decided to do this I was like you know what I'm going to get the audio book and I'm just going to listen to the whole thing and see what the tone is and I'm sure when you hear those words out loud or I go go I mean it's just like okay I get it I get the time frame and I get what he's trying to portray but yeah it's still jarring to hear to hear it so.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, I, uh, there are, there are a lot of, uh, if you look at my background, they're going to comic books that I've read throughout the years, and it's always interesting, the dialogue that's used generationally that just kind of disappears.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And the 80s.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Definitely let more happen than not before they started curving it back and trying to make sure that I got edgy in the 90s and the back, but the 80s in all aspects was just like just go one for it like yeah

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[SPEAKER_01]: uh, protect your ear.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Everyone, everyone, everyone get here.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So the idea of king writing as Bachman, even the producer who purchased the rights to the book, didn't know until after that it was a hit that he actually bought a Stephen King property.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I guess famously, the film became so different that King refused his name to be allowed on the movie poster.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's how much he was just offset by how different the movie was from the book.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I dug this up about the pseudonym because I was like, okay, you know, one of the most famous writers is writing under a pen name, like how long does it take until people figure it out?

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[SPEAKER_00]: And according to the research, and again, this is internet research, so, you know, it's not like I could have double and triple sourced information, sounds like he got away with it for a couple years, like people didn't really know, and then there was a bookstore clerk, this is according to the research name Steve Brown, who noticed the stylistic similarities between Bachman's work and kings.

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[SPEAKER_00]: then dug into copyright records at the library of Congress and found King's name on the filings.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Then contacted King's publisher and King confirmed it to the Washington Post in February of 1985.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So almost three years after the running man comes out in book form, Steven King has to admit

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[SPEAKER_01]: never underestimate a detail oriented nerd, a nerd thing, information that wouldn't have come out otherwise.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like that, that if just pinpoint, like I'm going to find this out and I'm going straight to the source, why veriv congress.

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[SPEAKER_00]: God, yeah, it's, it's, it's wild.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So he published four books as

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[SPEAKER_00]: the long walk roadwork and the running man with thinner being the last one published under the pseudonym before he was outed.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He said he wanted to keep it going indefinitely but when the reveal happened then he ended that experiment.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, so for the film, the original director, George P. Cosmodos, I think is how you pronounced the last name, 1985.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He was an experienced action guy.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He directed tombstone later in a movie called Leviathan.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And he exited due to budget disputes when the film was set up in Canada,

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[SPEAKER_00]: And the lead was supposed to be one Christopher Reeve.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And in that version, the story was closer to the book, an unemployed man entering the game to feed his family.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Then Andrew Davis, who would later direct fugitive and under siege, stepped in for a couple weeks, but I guess they just fell behind in schedule and they just fired them, though like we need to stay on schedule here.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm ruthless one week behind and you're done like that's your firing for cause of that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And you know, it's crazy is like I'm reading a book about Francis Ford Copila and George Lucas in, um,

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[SPEAKER_00]: Scorsese and Spielberg and how kind of their careers were kind of intertwined.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And these dudes are constantly weeks and months because you're going crazy.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And this dude is one week behind and they're like, nope.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like nobody's telling me, it's guys like, hey, you need to step up the process.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And this guy's like, you know what?

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[SPEAKER_01]: You really need to stay out of schedule.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And if you can't,

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[SPEAKER_01]: We're gonna let you go.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's what we're gonna let you go right now.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's basically like, you know, we're gonna give you a warning.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Actually, no one else here.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so who steps in, Paul Michael Glazier, who is the Starsky of Starsky and Hutch?

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[SPEAKER_00]: He, I guess he was originally, they asked him about it and he was like, it feels like it's too rushed, like I don't know that this is going to work necessarily.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then when Davis is fired, they go back to him and he changes his mind.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And Schwarzenegger, after the fact, thought the change in director was a negative to the movie.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And it doesn't seem like glazer himself

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[SPEAKER_00]: So let's deep dive a little bit into some of the key players in this movie, so the director Paul Michael Glasier Directed episodes of Star Skin Hutch and did some TV movies as well and running man was his first major theatrical feature.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He also famously directed the cutting edge the skating Romantic sports film

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[SPEAKER_00]: That movie, the D.B.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Swenie and Morick Kelly, and then directed episodes of Mami Vice and Las Vegas and other films or another TV shows, you know what?

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[SPEAKER_00]: The cutting edge has always been a movie that I was kind of like, uh,

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to grin it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Nope.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not going to end at.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Do I want to watch this?

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[SPEAKER_00]: And famously, maybe not famously, but to the Beverly Hills 902 and no lore, there is an episode where Brandon Walsh dates an ice skater.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I seem to remember them following the theme of the cutting edge in the 1992 timeframe.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think make some sense for that episode as well.

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[SPEAKER_01]: What I like about that is that Paul Michael play is almost paid it forward because doing the TV projects.

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[SPEAKER_01]: If I remember correctly, D.B.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Sweeney after the cutting edge ended up becoming a director of a bunch of different projects and a bunch of different shows.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And this is kind of the springboard project that kind of set them off.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Because like the 90s and the 2000s, D.B.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Sweeney is one of those guys that you'd always see on TV shows, directed by D.B.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Sweeney,

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[SPEAKER_01]: ten year before.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And, you know, that kind of full circle moment with the actor becoming director is because the acting job is trying to stop.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So, let me talk about Arnold.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Arnold Schwarzenegger.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He is about ready to enter our lives in a major way.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You had already seen him in stuff.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He'd, you know, terminators 84.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Commandos 85.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The predator comes up the same year as the running man.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The running man actually gets pushed back because predator was in theaters and they didn't want to Arnold movies running simultaneously, which is probably pretty smart.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, and Schwarzenegger, of course, is about to become giant twins is the next year.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He also marries Maria Schreiber right for this movie comes out and then total recall T2.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So we are at like the beginning of the timeframe in which Arnold is just in everything.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And if you remember, I know you remember, but

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[SPEAKER_00]: He and Solvester Solone are kind of going head to head on a lot of things.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, who's the bigger action star?

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[SPEAKER_00]: There's that scene from twins where I think the character Arnold is playing in twins.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He walks by the stand up of, I want to say it's like a Rambo stand up and he kind of looks at Rambo's muscles and he kind of does a little flex if he's like, ah, so there's like this real feud and a Stallone has actually talked about it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He was like,

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[SPEAKER_00]: I didn't like this dude.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I didn't want to be around this dude and then he just kind of kicked my ass and I had to kind of like deal with it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, just that time for like I, I'm trying to think of what that time frame.

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[SPEAKER_01]: in film would be again like you know you today you know it's probably more director-related than than it is actor-related but I'm trying to think of like you know I do you remember franchise related in the like the the 2010 like the 20 like 2005 yeah 2020 is a very similar analogy because you have all the franchises all of these like movies in which instead of a signature star you have

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[SPEAKER_01]: And they were just running these IPs over and over and over again.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So instead of the Stallone instead of the Schwarzenegger instead of Chuck Norris.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Whatever it may be, you have the French onion, the fattened the furious.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You had the Harry Potter's Marvel movie DC tried, but then it was just one of those.

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[SPEAKER_01]: No one who became a bankable star, the bankable stars were in the movies, but the movies were all about the IP that was being brought to life.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's what I think about now, Amber Mendez, Maria Conscieto, Conscieta, Alonso.

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[SPEAKER_00]: She wrote and sung, I think this is the main theme.

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[SPEAKER_00]: for Scarface.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So she's actually like a pop star, a Latin pop star who comes into movies also does Moscow on the Hudson with Robin Williams, post running man.

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[SPEAKER_00]: She's in colors and she was steadily working in film and TV throughout the next couple of decades.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I remember her very clearly because she's got this really unique name and then I just remember her like being around on everything and then just disappearing and then when I saw that she was in this movie I was like, yeah, that's right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: She was in this movie.

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[SPEAKER_00]: What happened to Maria?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Can she that long so, but she, you know, Hollywood can be kind of harsh and they moved her, you know, she got moved out quickly, but

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.

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[SPEAKER_00]: She's kind of a force in this movie.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know that her partner certainly makes a whole lot of sense, but she goes from like, damsel and distress or maybe a little bit of like a figure who's who's at the mercy and then turns into a badass at the edge of shooting guns and flex and muscles and stuff.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I feel like maybe that maybe she's a little bit too early for her time because you could see her,

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[SPEAKER_00]: fitting directly in the universe that you just mentioned in the Marvels universe like if she if we're you know maybe she's 30 years too early she could have totally fit in that era and time frame.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah you know I think it has a lot more to do with um

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[SPEAKER_01]: The culture and Hollywood at the time with the way that women were kind of viewed as a commodity that when you age out, you're you're looking for the younger model and she she like she had her window from like 85 to 90 before it was like, oh, who's the next taught us like thing, you know,

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think Jennifer Lopez was coming up in like 92, 93, so like there were there were there was the next hot thing and it's not great to talk about an athlete and if talk about how commodified these women were but they were they were there as a set piece to make the man look more attractive because the woman

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[SPEAKER_01]: looked at him in a certain way.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And what was really amazing about this film is that there really wasn't any sexual tension at all.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Until the very end, what Ogobo said, we have a checklist of things that we need to do in an action movie, and the hero has to get the girl at the end.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And so I was like, oh, yeah, okay, we're getting the power ballot and the make out.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And even though the only hint of this, whatever was a slight in you window of where she Yeah, yeah, or a video earlier, either.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And speaking of like the culture of the 80s, I was thinking about the way that like Schwarzenegger

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[SPEAKER_01]: came through right and he he he really got that big hit in 82 with Conan came back with the destroyer in 84 and then humorously enough kind of play Conan and Sonya but really didn't because of copyright and just.

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[SPEAKER_01]: whatever.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And in the in the robbery, Howard story, Conan went by different names anyway, so it's just like a wink and a nod, and whatever.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But he did this movie and he did, he did read he, but then he did twin, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: And he, he was desperate to do a movie that like show that he could do more than action.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And one of the things about this was he bet on himself and twin, where do you know

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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, so what happened was, is that universal studios thought this movie was a rips and they didn't want our Schwarzenegger as a comedic lead in this film.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I've had right then Danny DeVino and him all forefitted their salaries for this movie and they took 40% of the box office and the rental return instead.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So for the movie that cost $18 million and got $260 million, $210,15 million worldwide, they all made $40 million each and it launched him as like a viable comedy star as well.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So when you talk about guy being bold and betting on themselves, Schwarzenegger is one of them that really set that path in 88.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And a lot of people didn't believe it would happen, but you were great in that movie.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I remember being a kid and watching that movie,

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I'm sure the movie itself, if I was to rewatch it today, I would probably not think it was like, yeah, a great movie, but it was classic for the time with he and Devito and just the idea.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And you know, there was always that rumored sequel where Eddie Murphy was going to join as the third as the triplet.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'd actually never heard that a few times.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Uh, when when Schwarzenegger, back to the movie, when Schwarzenegger went into his brother's apartment thinking he was still there and had absolutely no idea even after like seven months, just completely redecorated apartment was not his brother and it was in fact

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[SPEAKER_01]: I thought that was amusing, but it also reminded me of total recall when he ended up in Sharon Stone Department and it's almost like the exact same scenario, I am a stranger in a man and a woman department, I'm not going to harm you, but they're going to air of mystique and danger.

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[SPEAKER_01]: to the whole thing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And if one of those tropes, if they do a short snake or a lot because he's the foreign, like scary man, then you can do that to introduce the danger and then pull back to the actual, I'm not that dangerous.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And so it's a thing they've gone back to the well in his movies a few times.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Where where are you with one Richard Dawson, who to me is the best part of

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[SPEAKER_01]: Fantastic.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, he wasn't supposed to be the guy, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: It was Chuck Worry, and he couldn't do, you couldn't fit the schedule, and they got this guy.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's because, supposedly, because he and Arnold were pals.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I, it's going to be pals with Arnold, but he chewed the scenery.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He was perfect, you know, like, he had that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Marmy like you really wanted this guy to get punched in the face, you know, he's getting his makeup and he's telling the Tondarland don't touch the hair, you know, just like that like those little things that like, ooh, I don't like it and what was really impressive if he played into

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[SPEAKER_01]: his actual game show roll and he will say some of these inflections that he would do in real life, but then it would have this masking of like sinister and cynicism like all of it in once.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I enjoyed the fact that he will so willing to lean into famously hosted family feud.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And

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[SPEAKER_00]: He would do this thing on family feud.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I literally do not know how he got away with it, but as we said earlier, different, different time.

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[SPEAKER_00]: This man would kiss just about every woman right on the lips as part of his role as the host of Family Feud.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So in the movie,

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[SPEAKER_00]: when he's when they're doing the game show and he's bringing up, you know, he's talking to the audience and there's a woman and he makes joke of it and he's like, you know, gotta make sure that we don't kiss on the lips or something like that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And he's kind of leaning into what his like you're saying, what his reputation was and he would get in trouble for that, you know, on the family feud.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So here's the thing that is so interesting to me though.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So Richard Dawson plays Damon Killian,

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[SPEAKER_00]: Those those people are two different people like you have the guy kind of behind the scenes run in the show Bobby T is the host so in this movie they just combined the two characters together Probably for the better because Dawson is so good So he was on Hogan's heroes before Family feud and then I guess he stopped to in family feud in 85 does the running man

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then does family feud again, like in the mid 90s, but I can't tell that he did anything else.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And you would have thought from this role, that it would have jump started something later in his career for movies, but he just didn't really do anything else.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You already kind of getting old, though.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know what I mean?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, and in that age, they're welcome that president of you can host as long as you want.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know what I mean?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, it wasn't like, for back basically doing it until he died or

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, roll it along until he decides he might require him already, but I know JJ I can van away in our place.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We like we're in it together and when we leave we leave, I don't I don't watch the game since all that much, but it was like back in the back then, you know, like you had to look good, you had to be preventable for TV and if you started looking old, you know, they're going to look for a reason to get ready.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So we'll hit a couple of the other players in this movie and then we'll dig into kind of the relationship to fight game media and kind of what we talk about in this movie.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So William Loughlin plays Cotto, Yephitt Cotto.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's one of Arnold's running buddies in this game and they use him as bait to get Arnold to do the show and then they backstab Arnold by including them, including him anyways.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Marvin J. McIntyre, Kano had a career prior and then does midnight run in 88 after this show and becomes a TV actor and Marvin J. McIntyre who plays Harold Weiss.

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[SPEAKER_00]: This is like his biggest credit of his career.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Some fun trivia.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There's a scene with kind of the underground leader.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Mick Fleetwood.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Wait, what?

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[SPEAKER_00]: He plays the underground leader and his sidekick, Dweasel Zappa.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The sidekick's name is Stevie.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So nice little way.

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[SPEAKER_01]: What Kevin talk from movie did Tom Petty end up being the same kind of character.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like that grizzled old veteran of the of the resistance.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He's at the post

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[SPEAKER_00]: At this point in Jesse's career, we are post WrestleMania three, which would have been the biggest show that WWE had done.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He does two movies, which Schwarzenegger in 87, the Predator first, and then the running man.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So he's in both of them.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He and Arnold are in both of these movies.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You think he got one because of the other?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that's actually something that would be interesting to look at.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Obviously, they filmed the predator first, but there couldn't have been that much of a delay.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, in my mind, like I created the cold narrative of man, Hulk Hogan must take all of you guys because like Jesse gets the roles that he wants.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Kurt Fuller is in this movie and ends up being the bad guy in the old bar.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And he's always like,

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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, look at all of you going to be jealous of Schwarzenegger, you know, an Schwarzenegger pin, then sure over him in a couple of these movies, which you're kind of feels like, you know, like, whole-going up half-dover and even though I'm sure it didn't really do much after that, he felt like the right guy for the role.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know what's interesting is they, so they have a fight.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It is a fake fight.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It is a deep fake fight that down with that one didn't really happen.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But they had to show the television audience that Captain Freedom beat Ben Richards when they never fought, because Captain Freedom walked out on the show.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That might be the first example I've ever seen, you know, chronologically of the idea of a deep fake being used to

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[SPEAKER_01]: to trick an audience, you know what I mean?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, we are now actively five, 10 years into like a deep, say, culture where when I saw them, it felt like, wow, they're really locked up in some of the things with the technology aspect.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, it's not hard to pull that thread, but they still pull.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And, you know, the thing about it, Arnold is kind of small in this movie, not small for Arnold.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Jesse the body,

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[SPEAKER_00]: is not.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He is actually bigger than Arnold in this movie from a musculature perspective.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I thought that was interesting because, you know, you think of Jesse today, Jesse's an old man.

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[SPEAKER_00]: you just almost forget how Jack Jesse was.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then he's also has to retire from his rustling career because he's got these issues with blood clots and stuff.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But that didn't change as training regimen because, you know, he is, he's definitely jacked at the gills.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There are also lots of steroids jokes in this movie, which surprised me, because it is something that Arnold would have to kind of talk about in moments of his life, and for WWE F at the time, and maybe not at the time, but only a couple years later, it becomes a giant topic of discussion for WWE F, but in this movie, they're just outright saying that all you guys are object on steroids.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, I looked at Jesse.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't like, well, you are a big man in this one.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's like the entire upper body just looked like a brick wall inside of a dress shirt and like a sports coat and even then you don't really see Jesse Ventura wearing corporate.

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[SPEAKER_01]: style clothing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He was always wearing something a little bit wild or even just like t-shirt jeans.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So for him to have that kind of appearance of like the Captain Freedom Captain America, that that hole just like the corporate hero which it's always been a trope in pro wrestling.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So he knew how to lean into that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I just thought the dynamic that whole character was really interesting and the fact that you know met us speaking this is a guy who was like fighting for union I think in like a bloodthirsty world and he has that kind of role at the end of the movies like no, we're gonna do this the right way or we're not gonna do it at all and it's just like You just gotta be the guy with the backbone don't you and I'm sure once he started acting he was like oh

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[SPEAKER_00]: having a union and having health care and all that stuff's actually really cool, like we didn't bring this over to the wrestling until, you know, Hogan kind of squash that on him.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, again, though, you know, hooking gets a sad car too, like sooner than later and sure suburban commando kindergarten cop, no, he's got solid, solid, and he's got, you know, his own, he's got his own union and so to not want that for wrestling is a little selfish their wholester.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, uh, does that had a question?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Uh, was the fight with Jesse in that movie?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Uh, the only time in a movie we saw Arnie lives on one on one side.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I have no idea.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I would have to, I would have to go through.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I would do the filmography, and I'm like, maybe, maybe he gets that kick by the T1,000 and T2, but I don't necessarily know if that's a one on one

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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, so the idea of this movie and well, I want to introduce the stalker.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So Ben Richards has to play this game, the running man.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And basically, it's a game show in a studio and you have all of these bosses and they all have a little bit of a gimmick going back to processing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They have like a specific gimmick.

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[SPEAKER_00]: and they are being chased by these stalkers.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Jesse is kind of like the end game guy, but it seems like maybe he was a contestant prior and maybe he'd like done a great job at the game and they just brought him into the whole into the fold.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He earlier in the movie as Captain

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[SPEAKER_00]: Kind of doesn't she doesn't really follow the workout tape, but you see video of Jesse as the the person doing you know the Jane found to work out or whatever, but so now there are these stalkers who are going after Ben Richards and Amber and and the other two guys who are involved.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And one of them we mentioned, Professor Toru Tanaka, three time WWE F tag team champion.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He also wrestled, I believe he wrestled Bruno Samartino.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's in the WWE Hall of Fame.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And also was in another Arnold movie.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think called the last action hero.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So there is that, there is that tie to wrestling again.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And we have a tie to UFC because Jim Brown, by the way, towards Naka plays Sub-Zero, who I thought was the best of the stalkers.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He was like the coolest of the stalkers.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He had a, so Jim Brown, the famous NFL running back Jim Brown, he plays fireball, who may have been the weakest of the of the stalkers, he is actually.

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[SPEAKER_00]: on the very first UFC show.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's the color commentator on the very first UFC show.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And is involved in the first six shows, uh, it was not involved after the fact, but, uh, you know, so nice little tie into the UFC there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We mentioned Kurt Fuller, who plays Tony.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He has not a stalker, but he has a TV exec kind of plays the exact same role as he would play in no

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[SPEAKER_00]: with with Hulk Hogan do you think the junior exact became the executive between and he always had good things to say about the Hulkster, too.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, he curfewers one of those guys that actually spent a lot of time around pro wrestlers because he did the movie, uh, the jerk here, no hold bar with Hogan and I'm pretty sure he had time with John Cena on the show.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, right.

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[SPEAKER_01]: uh, the one time there.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So he run the gamut of wrestling legacy in WWE.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I always find it amusing like how much this guy is like career has intercepted with pro wrestling without actually being ever interproversing right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Good for him, man.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Uh, Earl and Van Lith plays the stalker Dynamo.

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[SPEAKER_00]: 1976 NCAA division three heavyweight wrestler, uh, may have been an alternate in the 76 Olympics, uh, died six weeks before this film was released at the age of 32 years old, or 34 years old.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's sad.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I didn't know I didn't catch that hurt.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The man who plays buzz saw,

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[SPEAKER_00]: was a professional arm wrestling champion and was supposedly in over the top with so vester Stallone in 1987 as well.

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[SPEAKER_00]: When's the last time you saw over the top?

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[SPEAKER_01]: 20 years ago, maybe?

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[SPEAKER_00]: I watched it, it was on Pluto or whatever the other one was.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I watched it, probably maybe I would say within the last two years, one stopped me from using those services all together because the commercials just kind of come out of nowhere and interrupting certain parts of the movie where I'm like, and then they get away.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so I'm out on the the fast channels.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Still holds performance is is over the top kind of under the top actually he's like the depressed.

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[SPEAKER_00]: divorce that he's quiet and he wants to drink yeah he's quiet he's misunderstood you know he's got to do this thing because the only thing he's good at he gets blamed by the kids father or the kids a grandpa for being a nothing and uh... so he's got to like show the kid that he's really something and said it but it's an unlike it's an underwhelming

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think it's like he's trying to be like a dramatic performer, but the movie is still watchable.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like I, I very dearly remember this movie.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's got that, but it's got that motto energy that you just can't like make it just, it's just arm wrestling scenes are awesome.

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[SPEAKER_00]: All of that stuff is great.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, there was something about Captain Freedom that I wanted to mention before we keep going forward because I'm going to, I liked it saying, but um,

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[SPEAKER_01]: The youth captain freedom really interesting in this movie because he represented both sides of society right and it's the stalker for the people who are downtrodden and underserved he was like that final boss that you don't get past him and they're the certain ceiling that you that you get meanwhile.

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[SPEAKER_01]: when Ben is an Ambrac apartment and they're doing the work out for the people who are in the society who do belong Captain Freena represents fitness and health and like a recreational aspect of it and you have both of those things happening at the same time So it's a very quick way to tell you that there are two levels of society in the show with the way that Captain Freena

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[SPEAKER_01]: and how it kind of played out with Ben Richard's heel-ness being manufactured into an authenticity of like, oh there's going to be no deal.

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[SPEAKER_01]: All right, I don't know if you, I was like, I wanted to get there, but we're going to keep moving.

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[SPEAKER_00]: No, it was the perfect response.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And now we're going to talk a little bit about the plot.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, so you were right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: 2017 is the year.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The US is a

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[SPEAKER_00]: A totalitarian police state, the crown jewel of state-controlled entertainment is the running man hosted by Damon Killian, where convicted criminals are dropped into a devastated zone of Los Angeles and must survive against professional stalkers.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So Schwarzenegger's character is Ben Richards, and he's a police helicopter pilot.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's ordered to fire on unarmed food writers and he decides to not do this.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He says, nope, not doing it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He starts fighting with the other officers in his, the other pilot officers in his helicopter.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So because he does this and because,

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[SPEAKER_00]: the state-controlled entertainment is what it is and the news and everything, he has framed and convicted and sent to a labor camp.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So he and the prisoners, the characters of Cato and

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[SPEAKER_00]: in Harold Weiss, or played by Cato, Laughlin in Harold Weiss, he is captured and forced onto the running man.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So he gets out of the prison, but then Richard Dawson's character of Killing is like, huh, that guy's got some.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We need to re-arrest him and get him on this television show.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So Amber Mendez works for the, uh, she works for the show or she works for the company that runs the show.

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[SPEAKER_01]: She works for the broadcasting company, I, the F, which amuse me to know degree because he'll close to I.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so this is where Jeremy had mentioned that Ben Richards, like he's on the run,

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[SPEAKER_00]: And he goes to visit his brother.

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[SPEAKER_00]: His brother's no longer there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The apartment is now inherited by Amber.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And we never hear about the brother ever again.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like it would have been cool if the brother was somewhere in this movie.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like the idea that he would have been one of the three people that instead of like wife and and kind of, you know what I mean?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like there are three of them and his brother have introduced there, but he's like the first one gone and it really angered like that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like he could have done coming with it, but it was just like a plot like why is he going to the department?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, his brother's department.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, he's gone.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We don't know.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I've never seen him again.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so Amber, because the information being put out about Ben Richards is that he's this criminal, he's killing people, he's a spad guy, she sees him and she's like,

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[SPEAKER_00]: You're the worst person, you're the most evil person in the world.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And he's like, nope, I'm not guilty.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But in order to get her to listen to him, he basically has to take her hostage.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So not a good look for you Ben Richards to prove your innocence here.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And his, damn, if you do, it's a great idea.

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[SPEAKER_00]: is to, for she and him to fly to Hawaii, so they can get out of Dodge.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's on the run.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We'll just go to Hawaii.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We'll get out of here.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so he's using her identification to get on the airplane and,

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, the airlines in the 80s were not as organized and structured as they are today, and so he doesn't have this identification, so he's going to use hers and when he's asked for his, he's just kind of like, oh wait, it's in my pocket and I got it and there's this long line and the guy's like, not not just go, just go, just go, so that's how they get through until she finds a moment.

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[SPEAKER_00]: to knock on him and then he has captured and she's like, man, I got out of this thing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like this man was holding me hostage.

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[SPEAKER_00]: This is supposed to be a good guy.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then she does eventually realize that all the information about Ben is a lie because she works for this broadcasting company.

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[SPEAKER_00]: She's able to find the raw footage of what exactly happened before all of the deep fakes happened.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So that is, yeah, so the reason that she did it,

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[SPEAKER_01]: She was there for everything and the way that he interacted with the guy at the the booking agent and all the security arts after she's rescued she's watching the TV

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[SPEAKER_01]: they made creative propaganda.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They killed all these people to make Ben look worse.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And she's like, you didn't kill any of those people.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And that's like the first question that she had, that was the mistake of this whole arm of the government.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They needed to kill her too.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But they didn't.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And they killed her.

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[SPEAKER_01]: All like they would have been done.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like this, this would have been over.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So they throw.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Weiss, Laughlin, and Richards into this game, and when they realize that Amber is also trying to find out more information and maybe show this information that she realized they find her, they throw her in the game too.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So now to the four of them, having to go up against the stalkers, Sub-Zero, Busa, Dynamo, Fireball,

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not doing it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And, you know, he, he shows the wonky, funky suit of, of, of, of, a little bit of the Iron Man, of a little bit of armor that they gave him that he's just kind of shaking off to show how flimsy it is.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's like, no, I'm not doing it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, this is not how the game is supposed to work.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so, Kelly and gets his production team to quickly splice up.

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[SPEAKER_00]: the footage of him finally killing Ben Richards even though it didn't happen.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so at the end, they connect, they reconnect with the resistance group with Mick Fleetwood and Dweezel Zappa.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They broadcast the truth and at the end, Richards wants to go after Kylian and he launches him down the same pipeline that they have to begin the game with.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And somehow,

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's going at such a quick speed.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He fought.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, you didn't catch one?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, well, how did that happen?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, so when the game is played and a glide broadcast these guys go down the shoot and there are people there connect with the net and stop their fall when killing went down.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, there wasn't any so he just kept going.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And so he just went fly and he just went accident.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So he goes through some advertisement and somehow this advertisement catches on fire and we are too assume that he just

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, he wasn't wearing a seat belt, and he was going 90 into a brick into a wall.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I would assume that he was at least headquartered, and then, like we said, at the end, he and Richards and Amber kind of have their moment, and there is a kiss with no sexual chemistry whatsoever to end the movie.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There's a character in this movie now.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I didn't catch his name, and I actually write it down.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But like, killians like bodyguard guy who, at the end, when Arnold is about to launch killian down the shoot, like killian brings him over and it's like, okay, now you can take care of business or whatever.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And he says something to them, and he walks off, I never figured out what he said.

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[SPEAKER_00]: was about maybe it was about steroids or something, but he was mad about something so he walks off to let Arnold kill his boss.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, there are moments like that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, if you're one of those like, yeah, I'm not fighting him for yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So the response of this movie, not fantastic.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You would have thought that because of predators that the next Arnold vehicle would have been giant.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe they should have pushed it back a little bit longer than

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[SPEAKER_00]: because the budget was 27 million.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It grossed 38 and I think the predator was like 59 million on a 15 million dollar budget.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So this did not do nearly as well on a bigger budget than predator.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Of course, VHS, cable, paper view, I'm sure they made a killing on the movie back then because it was all over, it was all over those channels in the late 80s, so I'm sure they did well with it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, so a little bit of trivia here.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So, you know, reality TV being the dominant

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[SPEAKER_00]: not wrong there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like we reality TV helped get a president, um, you know, in the White House.

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[SPEAKER_01]: If one of the cheapest, both viable forms of entertainment out there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So Schwarzenegger and Ventura also would appear together in a third movie 10 years later.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Do you remember what this movie was?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Hmm, 97 was it the, was it the Christmas movie the movie where you're trying to get the toy for the kid?

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[SPEAKER_00]: No, it is actually a little bit more up your alley.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Back on and Robin.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, I think I watched 10 minutes of it and I was just like, this is dumb because I was like a legitimate like comic book fan and what I was reading in the comic books and what like this cartoon version that Schumacher was doing, Batman Robin was the fourth one.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think that I think that one had, or we should just overstone it, if it didn't call Batman or Robin and Baccharl.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, there are many fault for this movie, but no, I wouldn't have guessed that because I had not watched it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Who did just even try to play in that?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Good question, I don't know.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I've never seen that movie either.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, look it up.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The ICS television headquarters is the film-land corporate center in Los Angeles, which in 1987 was the home of MGM.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, let's see, favorite scenes and memorable lines.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Now, the thing about the dialogue in this movie, Arnold is really bad.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He is a bad actor in this movie.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He is also bad at delivering lines.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Now, some of this may just be in the editing as well, but they gave him some really bad one liners.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So when they kill off Professor Toru Tanaka, who is Sub-Zero, Arnold yells at Killian, Killian, here is Sub-Zero, now plain zero, and I was like, hmm, who will prove that line for Arnold to look like a goofball?

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[SPEAKER_01]: The, um,

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[SPEAKER_01]: It felt like this was the movie where he was like, I need to do more than this because their ideas of me saying funny lines could use a lot of work.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And they probably just saw him and it was like a meathead that like, you're immune to it here and say the line guy.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And it was like, I, when you said, I'll be back on this movie when he went down the fence, I was like, oh,

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[SPEAKER_00]: even though I got more for you.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I got more Arnold lines has been written.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So they decapitate or he decapitate sub-zero with razor wire on the ice because sub-zero is like a he's like a hockey fighter.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So they're all on ice.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, he's got a hockey stick of sharpening a Japanese hockey player and

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[SPEAKER_00]: So Arnold basically decapitates him and he goes, he had to split, like, I will come on man.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, I mean, it's not bad.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like you could do better, but if we're like if we're tearing up down for bad ones, that wasn't bad.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It was, it was, it would be minus, which is also okay, but we also, you, you, you, you love a lot of puns yourself.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So you, you may have a little bit of a, I will lean into it, but I will also admit when it's bad.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, like when a bad pun is put there, like, okay, why don't we do better with that guys?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like so, uh,

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[SPEAKER_00]: I have, I have high standard buzz saw, yes, they cut buzz on half with his own chains.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I think and Richard, from the bottom up, Richard says what a pain in the neck, dynamo electrocutes himself and Arnold responds how about a light and then turns his own flame

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[SPEAKER_00]: The critical reception of this movie, we're going to dig it, we'll dig in a little bit more to the book and the 2025 movie here in a second.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Rotten Tomatoes 59% Roger Ebert gave it to at a five out of four, loving the action, you know, wasn't a huge fan of the dialogue in the satire like us.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And the only person who kind of escaped any criticism in this entire movie was none other than Richard Dawson, seemed to be like universal, universal beloved, universally beloved, and respect.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, so he airied the film to the point where you could have trapped the rest of the film once it, like, got it, just like if you had a weaker,

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[SPEAKER_01]: after chewing the scenery as that game show host.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think this movie would be remembered as well as it is.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We didn't do this last time, but we're introducing a new section where we are going to bring in a wrestler or MMA character or boxer depending, you know, kind of what we think who could actually be added to this movie and to see if they could fit and make it better.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, I have a lot of people in my mind who's like, could that person have played Kylian?

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[SPEAKER_00]: But you can't do better than Kylian.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So that's a hard thing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Because like a lot of the people that I'm thinking about are for that role.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But at the end of the day, you're like, nobody could do this better than this guy.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Nobody could do it better than Richard.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I recathed all the stuff.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I think that's going to be the fun one.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, so.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The the 2025 remake happens and so we're going to go through some differences in the book the 87 film the 2025 film so in the book.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Richards is not really a hero.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's actually not a great dude, but he's also someone who is desperate and really wants to save his family.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So there's he's kind of like, you know, there's differences in what you think as the book goes on.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The game of the running man is not like a TV game show

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[SPEAKER_00]: you got to run for your life buddy through the streets and it takes 30 days across the entire country and he can be hunted anywhere on the streets in transportation.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The public if they do get you like they get rewarded and so there are no actual stalkers you're just like in that same vein as the stalkers on the movie.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The stalkers were completely invented for the film.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, and then I guess the last bit of it is the novel itself is really just, uh, class warfare, like that's the story.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Other, and this film is really about kind of like, you know,

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[SPEAKER_00]: what the world is going to turn into with the media and such.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The 2025 film, the Edgar Wright adaptation follows along the book a little bit more closely.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And this is interesting to me because as I was watching this Glenn Powell version of this movie, the thing about the King version of

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[SPEAKER_00]: to the character and Glenn Powell's version, Glenn Powell's ultimately kind of like a nice guy, like that's just his disposition.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so in order to kind of gain edge, he just has to be angry.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's just like, ah, like I hate everything.

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[SPEAKER_00]: If you guys, all of you, you know, and so there's no real like bipolarity between the characters.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's like angry guy, angry family guy.

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[SPEAKER_00]: was Chris Evans.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Now, Chris Evans is Captain America, but what is the Netflix detective series movie that he was in the first one of?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, oh, yeah, so he plays like a really scummy guy in that movie.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I was like, you know what Chris Evans could have actually done the Glenn Powell version of this movie.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I thought better than Glenn Powell, but Glenn Powell is totally fine, too.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, he he finds his anger and he finds his reasons, but I did like the idea.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so I was in I

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[SPEAKER_00]: Even before I read that Chris Evans was originally attached to the movie, I thought like you know who would be better at this is actually Chris Evans.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I threw a name at you when we were doing it and it was really because the range that this actor does, I think would be especially suited for the new arms of

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[SPEAKER_01]: a person's role in society and everyone hunting them as well.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And that is that's also I think.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And the role of Podamarin as Mark Spector in Moon Knight, where he was basically playing foil or four different characters of the ones, I think he just has that range to really understand like.

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[SPEAKER_01]: being chased by everyone and a sense of urgency and a sense of fear, panic, and confidence.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, like all the things that you would need to exist in a high-end, anxiety, high-functioning state where the urgency of 30 days permeates every decision that you make.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like you have to have an after that can convey physical

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[SPEAKER_01]: and anxiety, but still be able to commit to what they have to do.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And a lot of actors nowadays, I don't see that level of commitment.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like what did you say?

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[SPEAKER_01]: We went pal.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He was just so nice.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He's going to do my answer.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like to fit, like to, you know, Holly would start perfect, I think, for the role.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I, I was watching a clip of adjacent to this and he had a bit role in the dark rises.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, the third one and in which Tom Hardy's Bane, like basically takes him at the stock park and be like the banging his head against the keyboard.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And apparently, who would probably say he really got a concussion from Tom Hardy, but he couldn't do anything about the time because of the power dynamic, but now he's a star.

01:01:38.870 --> 01:01:42.032
[SPEAKER_01]: He's like, yeah, get me a concussion, whatever.

01:01:42.072 --> 01:01:45.535
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I know, like another fun Tom Hardy story for you.

01:01:45.935 --> 01:01:54.561
[SPEAKER_01]: But Tom Hardy, even then it seemed like every time he collaborate with other people, people don't want to collaborate with him anymore.

01:01:54.982 --> 01:01:56.903
[SPEAKER_01]: And that should be a red flag.

01:02:02.207 --> 01:02:08.330
[SPEAKER_01]: Just the whole vibe that he conveys does not give you a sense of danger about him.

01:02:08.450 --> 01:02:16.474
[SPEAKER_01]: He's like, the cool guy next door that you want to have a beer with, not the guy that's going to save your ass.

01:02:16.514 --> 01:02:17.035
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, fire.

01:02:17.055 --> 01:02:18.855
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

01:02:18.996 --> 01:02:19.356
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.

01:02:19.996 --> 01:02:23.538
[SPEAKER_00]: So, the, um,

01:02:24.845 --> 01:02:29.168
[SPEAKER_00]: So more on this twenty twenty five book or remake.

01:02:29.448 --> 01:02:40.975
[SPEAKER_00]: So King loved the script of this because it did lean a little bit more closely to a lot more closely to his vision of of the book or his his vision of the characters in the book.

01:02:42.636 --> 01:02:48.520
[SPEAKER_00]: So some more differences like I mentioned in the book.

01:02:49.412 --> 01:03:13.582
[SPEAKER_00]: Killian is the off camera executive producer and Bobby T is the host of the show in the in the film Dan Killian has changed to Damon Killian in 87 film and he's both roles and then the 2025 film is back to the book structure Killian produces off screen and Bobby T is the host.

01:03:14.002 --> 01:03:21.985
[SPEAKER_00]: two separate characters, Coleman Domingo plays Bobby T in the 2025 film and Josh Broland plays Killian in the 2025 film.

01:03:22.025 --> 01:03:24.826
[SPEAKER_00]: Josh Broland is really good in this movie.

01:03:24.926 --> 01:03:36.710
[SPEAKER_00]: I think he is, he does a really good job of really not as well as Richard Dawson to where you're willing to kind of just be like, okay, the rest of this is not great, but he is really good.

01:03:36.750 --> 01:03:39.651
[SPEAKER_00]: Like Josh Broland is close to that in the 2025 book movie.

01:03:41.809 --> 01:03:43.990
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm happy for the jock's pro and career results.

01:03:44.311 --> 01:03:48.373
[SPEAKER_01]: They're a point between like 20 and 35 and it's like actual life.

01:03:48.433 --> 01:03:56.078
[SPEAKER_01]: Or it wasn't really doing much and then all of a sudden he'd like he just aged right into that like sleep spot of these like gruffled dude roles and like yeah.

01:03:56.378 --> 01:04:01.121
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, what a fantastic like last 15 years of his career.

01:04:01.742 --> 01:04:03.343
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, fantastic.

01:04:03.363 --> 01:04:07.205
[SPEAKER_01]: He even had some stinkers called Jonah that we're not that.

01:04:09.812 --> 01:04:11.912
[SPEAKER_00]: All right, so the ending of the movie and the book.

01:04:12.232 --> 01:04:16.493
[SPEAKER_00]: In the book, Richards, hijacks a plane flys into the games and network building.

01:04:16.593 --> 01:04:20.514
[SPEAKER_00]: I think this is after they tell him that they've killed his family.

01:04:22.155 --> 01:04:27.136
[SPEAKER_00]: In the 87 film, obviously, Richard survives, kills Kylian, gets the girl.

01:04:27.896 --> 01:04:36.937
[SPEAKER_00]: And in the 2025 film, threatens, Ben Richards threatens to crash into the building,

01:04:40.008 --> 01:04:48.100
[SPEAKER_00]: Killian tells him that he killed his family Ben Richards doesn't really believe it and at the end they leave it as

01:04:49.930 --> 01:04:50.970
[SPEAKER_00]: Ben Richard survives.

01:04:51.470 --> 01:04:52.651
[SPEAKER_00]: His family survives.

01:04:53.091 --> 01:04:56.571
[SPEAKER_00]: There's some distance there as far as how much he can see his family.

01:04:57.231 --> 01:05:04.833
[SPEAKER_00]: I believe his wife has to change her name, but they go on to film the new season of the running man.

01:05:05.653 --> 01:05:09.234
[SPEAKER_00]: And Bobby T's like, I'm out like you see this crowd.

01:05:09.274 --> 01:05:10.214
[SPEAKER_00]: They're unruly.

01:05:10.594 --> 01:05:12.974
[SPEAKER_00]: They are all about Richard survived Richard survives.

01:05:13.034 --> 01:05:14.155
[SPEAKER_00]: They are on to us.

01:05:16.792 --> 01:05:17.833
[SPEAKER_00]: The show must go on.

01:05:17.893 --> 01:05:18.974
[SPEAKER_00]: I am hosting this thing.

01:05:18.994 --> 01:05:29.462
[SPEAKER_00]: This thing is going to go and you watch me turn this crowd and then they just start lighting fire to the set and Richards is able to smoke him out at the end.

01:05:29.742 --> 01:05:31.643
[SPEAKER_00]: So then that's literally end of the 2025 movie.

01:05:34.655 --> 01:05:39.837
[SPEAKER_00]: All right, so the 20, 25 film did not do good at the box office.

01:05:41.518 --> 01:05:44.800
[SPEAKER_01]: It did not look like something that I looked interested in watching.

01:05:46.340 --> 01:05:54.684
[SPEAKER_01]: The design for it took a little busy, you know, and everything that they tried to sell to me was just like, I don't need a high-functioning anxiety movie.

01:05:54.744 --> 01:05:57.365
[SPEAKER_00]: It was, it was intense for sure, it was intense.

01:05:58.286 --> 01:06:01.947
[SPEAKER_00]: I think the reason why I've so interested in it is because I remembered the 87 film.

01:06:03.608 --> 01:06:08.552
[SPEAKER_00]: And then I got into the story about Stephen King version and the differences.

01:06:08.612 --> 01:06:14.316
[SPEAKER_00]: And I was like, I'm actually interested to see what the better Stephen King version of this movie is.

01:06:14.356 --> 01:06:16.298
[SPEAKER_00]: Now, I enjoyed it.

01:06:16.358 --> 01:06:17.639
[SPEAKER_00]: I wouldn't say it was a classic.

01:06:17.779 --> 01:06:23.644
[SPEAKER_00]: It even, you know, even for like that summary flick, it was kind of too dark and too intense for that.

01:06:24.024 --> 01:06:25.905
[SPEAKER_00]: But still, I enjoyed it for the most part.

01:06:26.386 --> 01:06:29.268
[SPEAKER_00]: It did, you know, it's done pretty well.

01:06:33.095 --> 01:06:34.236
[SPEAKER_00]: on streaming and such.

01:06:34.496 --> 01:06:37.640
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it is found a second life.

01:06:37.760 --> 01:06:44.227
[SPEAKER_00]: I would say, but yeah, 210 million dollar budget and the worldwide gross of 69 million.

01:06:44.247 --> 01:06:45.488
[SPEAKER_00]: That is a bomb.

01:06:47.030 --> 01:06:50.754
[SPEAKER_01]: They're absolutely nothing wrong with being a career.

01:06:52.232 --> 01:06:54.273
[SPEAKER_01]: actor for romcoms.

01:06:54.793 --> 01:06:56.534
[SPEAKER_01]: He's not going pal, really.

01:06:56.654 --> 01:06:59.996
[SPEAKER_01]: It's like, I do not really buy him if that lead action star.

01:07:00.376 --> 01:07:05.939
[SPEAKER_01]: He may have some good shops and like a really good drama, but it would have to be the right role.

01:07:05.999 --> 01:07:09.501
[SPEAKER_01]: It would have to be like the things that we invent to what he's already good at.

01:07:10.262 --> 01:07:21.228
[SPEAKER_01]: But this whole action, every time we shift in action, maybe just, it feels like I'm trying to be hold an action star rather than I am in on this guy being an

01:07:23.961 --> 01:07:33.883
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, let's talk about anybody in current wrestling or current MMA who could actually have a part in in the movie now.

01:07:33.903 --> 01:07:46.646
[SPEAKER_00]: You mentioned the stalkers and I'm sure you have some some interesting characters and I want to go first because the person I was thinking of was actually thinking of a couple people.

01:07:53.345 --> 01:07:55.867
[SPEAKER_00]: be a killian like character.

01:07:55.907 --> 01:07:58.769
[SPEAKER_00]: I was thinking of who's like the most blustery guy.

01:07:58.789 --> 01:08:05.694
[SPEAKER_00]: I think Gene would get quite annoyed at having to to be that character forever.

01:08:05.714 --> 01:08:07.315
[SPEAKER_00]: So they're like, okay, probably not Gene Oakwood.

01:08:07.735 --> 01:08:08.656
[SPEAKER_00]: Don't waste.

01:08:09.276 --> 01:08:15.761
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, well, you have a different dawn that I was thinking of.

01:08:16.781 --> 01:08:20.224
[SPEAKER_00]: Current dawn callous could current dawn callous be.

01:08:21.644 --> 01:08:28.148
[SPEAKER_00]: a version of the Richard Dawson character, but I think what I landed on was Paul Hayman.

01:08:31.230 --> 01:08:34.832
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, kind of that rollerball character that he did.

01:08:37.094 --> 01:08:50.041
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, yeah, like for people don't know, Paul Hayman actually did a character like that in the movie rollerball starring Chris Klein, I believe a man, I can't remember what rapper is.

01:08:52.027 --> 01:08:55.148
[SPEAKER_01]: If you were going to deep blue sea, uh, me, Ella, cool.

01:08:55.168 --> 01:08:56.708
[SPEAKER_01]: Jay, you talking about me?

01:08:56.728 --> 01:08:57.428
[SPEAKER_01]: Ella, cool, Jay.

01:08:57.448 --> 01:08:57.848
[SPEAKER_01]: Thank you.

01:08:58.408 --> 01:09:07.651
[SPEAKER_01]: I want to stir with ice, no, it's not ice, whatever, where are we going to, it's, um, yeah, I just, I can see Paul Hammond for sure.

01:09:07.671 --> 01:09:10.271
[SPEAKER_01]: Is that thing, you know, another one?

01:09:10.351 --> 01:09:14.032
[SPEAKER_01]: I think Amber could have been played in several cities, but that'd be interesting.

01:09:15.552 --> 01:09:15.852
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

01:09:16.653 --> 01:09:18.033
[SPEAKER_01]: I think she's got that kind of,

01:09:18.992 --> 01:09:40.778
[SPEAKER_01]: what they were going for with the character were wasn't just like it was somebody who could be smart enough to see the big picture if they were put in a big picture situation but have their own agency and I think that's the kind of thing that you know they would want a strong female wrestler to do and then after she evades one of the stalkers she just starts doing the money dance

01:09:42.428 --> 01:09:48.250
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you spoke so many of them put one of those dogs in the money club and you're choking out all right.

01:09:48.270 --> 01:09:50.211
[SPEAKER_00]: So who did you have as some of the stalkers?

01:09:51.632 --> 01:09:51.992
[SPEAKER_01]: All right.

01:09:52.032 --> 01:09:55.073
[SPEAKER_01]: So the first one is super easy for some hero.

01:09:55.933 --> 01:09:58.674
[SPEAKER_01]: I think total hero machine you would have been perfect.

01:09:58.694 --> 01:10:03.296
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, he, he's almost too likable though.

01:10:03.316 --> 01:10:04.416
[SPEAKER_00]: Could he be a mean guy?

01:10:04.456 --> 01:10:05.897
[SPEAKER_00]: Could he be do the mean face?

01:10:06.117 --> 01:10:06.737
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, absolutely.

01:10:06.757 --> 01:10:08.658
[SPEAKER_01]: You just like for the most part.

01:10:09.342 --> 01:10:14.568
[SPEAKER_01]: If you were a cast for the movie, most people don't know if she ain't think and know like they love a sheet.

01:10:14.608 --> 01:10:23.938
[SPEAKER_01]: They just see this guy that's just like, feel like a brick wall wearing this armor and like a steel hockey stick.

01:10:24.359 --> 01:10:27.362
[SPEAKER_01]: And we're like, that guy will go like, you'll fuck with shit on me.

01:10:29.413 --> 01:10:30.414
[SPEAKER_01]: Uh, Dynamo.

01:10:30.674 --> 01:10:34.877
[SPEAKER_01]: I think Dynamo is the one with the, uh, with the line up grid on his body.

01:10:35.577 --> 01:10:38.459
[SPEAKER_01]: This is kind of a deep cut, but I can't.

01:10:43.342 --> 01:10:44.203
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, I do.

01:10:44.243 --> 01:10:45.344
[SPEAKER_01]: You see what they're.

01:10:46.244 --> 01:10:55.090
[SPEAKER_01]: Uh, but saw is someone who's already been in the movie aspect for WWE, but I can't.

01:10:55.190 --> 01:10:57.852
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I, I, I thought he could have easily been in this movie.

01:10:59.791 --> 01:11:08.498
[SPEAKER_01]: a fireball for the corporate aspect clash, you know, turn it all down that whole thing.

01:11:09.038 --> 01:11:12.981
[SPEAKER_01]: You can go get wrong, but I felt like Cody Rhodes would have been a good.

01:11:13.081 --> 01:11:14.843
[SPEAKER_00]: See, I had Cody for a different one.

01:11:15.643 --> 01:11:17.285
[SPEAKER_01]: I had Cody for Captain Freedom.

01:11:19.712 --> 01:11:21.554
[SPEAKER_01]: No, Captain, free to the CM Punk.

01:11:21.594 --> 01:11:25.359
[SPEAKER_01]: You didn't CM Punk, would be like, I'm not fighting that guy.

01:11:25.439 --> 01:11:27.462
[SPEAKER_01]: They were doing this the right way.

01:11:27.782 --> 01:11:31.266
[SPEAKER_01]: Where Cody runs like, all right, I'm going to show the company line.

01:11:31.527 --> 01:11:33.129
[SPEAKER_01]: This is what's left for this.

01:11:33.750 --> 01:11:35.011
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to go kill this guy.

01:11:35.031 --> 01:11:37.094
[SPEAKER_00]: But, but Cody's got the.

01:11:37.701 --> 01:11:39.162
[SPEAKER_00]: Scott the neck tattoo.

01:11:39.362 --> 01:11:42.025
[SPEAKER_00]: He's got like the he's got the the gear.

01:11:42.265 --> 01:11:52.654
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, so when when when fireball was sitting with the crowd of people watching the other guys go down and he's like Percing his like with and he's like, okay, it's time to go to work.

01:11:52.954 --> 01:11:54.535
[SPEAKER_01]: You didn't see Cody Rose.

01:11:54.896 --> 01:12:03.183
[SPEAKER_01]: Just be like, all right, if I try to keep my jaw now and grab it, grab it like red white blue American nightmare with us with a

01:12:03.604 --> 01:12:09.884
[SPEAKER_01]: flame thrower and go murder all the other running man contestant going to walk group, which by the way.

01:12:10.762 --> 01:12:17.968
[SPEAKER_01]: If you're trying to cover up a conspiracy and which all of these other running men have been killed, don't leave their guard body.

01:12:18.048 --> 01:12:18.509
[SPEAKER_00]: It's a leave.

01:12:18.609 --> 01:12:24.173
[SPEAKER_01]: In the locker room, contemptuously, you deserve all of this to blow up in your face.

01:12:24.193 --> 01:12:28.197
[SPEAKER_01]: You did not wrap up any of your loose ends.

01:12:28.277 --> 01:12:28.937
[SPEAKER_01]: That is it.

01:12:28.957 --> 01:12:29.318
[SPEAKER_01]: This one.

01:12:29.738 --> 01:12:34.982
[SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, Captain Freedom is CM Punk because he reminded me of Jesse Ventura in which

01:12:36.415 --> 01:12:37.435
[SPEAKER_01]: Screw authority.

01:12:37.736 --> 01:12:38.236
[SPEAKER_01]: We're doing it.

01:12:38.336 --> 01:12:39.516
[SPEAKER_01]: We're not doing it.

01:12:39.556 --> 01:12:39.996
[SPEAKER_01]: The right way.

01:12:40.016 --> 01:12:41.017
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not doing it at all.

01:12:41.077 --> 01:12:44.438
[SPEAKER_01]: And see him punctually leaving.

01:12:45.298 --> 01:12:53.401
[SPEAKER_00]: And if we're looking at the 87 version of this movie, I guess the rock would be the Ben Richard's character.

01:12:59.303 --> 01:13:01.184
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I can't be seen.

01:13:05.070 --> 01:13:06.931
[SPEAKER_01]: You could've gone away with Goldberg, maybe.

01:13:07.171 --> 01:13:16.173
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, Goldberg doing dialogue is probably very similar to, to, I don't know, doing dialogue.

01:13:16.193 --> 01:13:20.875
[SPEAKER_01]: But there, and I'm comfortably sore out of what I'm talking about.

01:13:23.045 --> 01:13:38.389
[SPEAKER_01]: uh Hogan it would definitely been a different film uh I think he would shoot up the scenery and try to make every one of those one liners more Hogan-esque and instead of he would have gone bigger he has his own version of those one liners and no holds bark.

01:13:38.509 --> 01:13:39.389
[SPEAKER_00]: No holds bark.

01:13:39.409 --> 01:13:49.632
[SPEAKER_01]: That's why I mean I mean we all remember the spells like dokey line and he really just he really like when he does a one liner that's the one I think of and I'm like wow you really

01:13:52.161 --> 01:13:54.163
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, who, who else could have?

01:13:56.727 --> 01:14:05.379
[SPEAKER_01]: Death, he knew are the rock, definitely feel like, definitely feel like a purple age would have had that every man kind of.

01:14:08.050 --> 01:14:21.761
[SPEAKER_00]: vibe around him and Triple H could have been none of the one of the one of the stalkers maybe create his own version of that, but I was thinking of you saw how he did at a vampire in the blade movie like he's not.

01:14:22.542 --> 01:14:23.042
[SPEAKER_01]: He's not.

01:14:23.483 --> 01:14:23.863
[SPEAKER_01]: It's fun.

01:14:24.003 --> 01:14:31.009
[SPEAKER_00]: And if we take the the guy from the previous movie that we did what what who could rowdy who could 1987 rowdy Roddy Piper play.

01:14:35.400 --> 01:14:41.742
[SPEAKER_01]: Uh, he should be playing, uh, wife, honestly.

01:14:42.282 --> 01:14:42.762
[SPEAKER_00]: I see.

01:14:42.782 --> 01:14:48.484
[SPEAKER_00]: I, he's a little large of a human, but he could have played a version of Killian, I think.

01:14:50.584 --> 01:14:52.485
[SPEAKER_01]: Uh, I don't know.

01:14:52.545 --> 01:14:57.546
[SPEAKER_01]: I think I think with Piper, he was really trying to come off his last bomb.

01:14:57.566 --> 01:15:00.947
[SPEAKER_01]: That stick because it was like a pigeonhole and he would have been

01:15:01.568 --> 01:15:10.913
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm great, brilliant, but for me, I felt like all of this acting was I need to be more reserved, I need to dig deep, I need to do that kind of thing.

01:15:11.013 --> 01:15:20.638
[SPEAKER_01]: And so just kind of like the the flip side of the character and they live.

01:15:21.198 --> 01:15:23.320
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm Keith David, right?

01:15:23.360 --> 01:15:24.900
[SPEAKER_01]: Who just got us all, we would walk aside.

01:15:24.920 --> 01:15:25.741
[SPEAKER_01]: You have to go ahead for him.

01:15:27.225 --> 01:15:34.628
[SPEAKER_01]: Uh, Piper could have been that version of Keith David for then returns in this movie.

01:15:35.328 --> 01:15:43.452
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, like, it would have been a better role for him to get more roles, like we were talking about how they live, how it just kind of dried up for him.

01:15:44.152 --> 01:15:52.375
[SPEAKER_01]: And if he wasn't going to be like a lead actor, he could have been like the supporting, like good guy that that that dies a couple of times

01:15:54.816 --> 01:16:06.242
[SPEAKER_01]: might have been a different avenue for his success in those days, because, you know, there are plenty of people that work their way up on BitParks until they got to be the star in their own right and wrestling in a juxtap time.

01:16:06.262 --> 01:16:09.584
[SPEAKER_00]: Dazza said he could see punk as Richards.

01:16:09.924 --> 01:16:17.749
[SPEAKER_00]: I could see that too, because punk is, yeah, even when he's a baby face is kind of a dick, so I could totally see that.

01:16:26.504 --> 01:16:27.824
[SPEAKER_00]: They're not caricature.

01:16:27.844 --> 01:16:30.085
[SPEAKER_00]: Excalibur is the mask to kill you in.

01:16:31.286 --> 01:16:33.966
[SPEAKER_00]: No, I was just, I'm just kidding, totally just kidding.

01:16:34.086 --> 01:16:43.289
[SPEAKER_01]: Cal, Cal, Cal is one of the things, but what do you think about guys like, off-brake and page and omega?

01:16:43.790 --> 01:16:48.591
[SPEAKER_01]: And none of them have that right tempo and vibe to really carry.

01:16:49.231 --> 01:16:51.672
[SPEAKER_01]: And every man, they all have like a secret.

01:16:51.692 --> 01:16:54.453
[SPEAKER_00]: Let's just add Darby Allen's doing everybody's stunts.

01:16:55.713 --> 01:17:00.377
[SPEAKER_01]: I wanted, I thought about Darby Allen, if one of the, if one of the things, I almost captive of both saw.

01:17:01.918 --> 01:17:02.898
[SPEAKER_00]: That one was pretty fun.

01:17:04.840 --> 01:17:06.601
[SPEAKER_01]: I go a little Darby Allen trying to kill me.

01:17:06.621 --> 01:17:07.002
[SPEAKER_00]: All right.

01:17:07.082 --> 01:17:13.246
[SPEAKER_00]: So, what would you, how would you grade this 40 year, almost 40 year old movie?

01:17:15.188 --> 01:17:16.288
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to give it a beat.

01:17:16.349 --> 01:17:21.853
[SPEAKER_01]: They're really like, it ate better than I thought it would, the things that

01:17:23.723 --> 01:17:26.045
[SPEAKER_01]: could make you like, I don't know about that one.

01:17:26.625 --> 01:17:28.446
[SPEAKER_01]: They weren't a grieges.

01:17:28.666 --> 01:17:29.967
[SPEAKER_01]: They weren't in your face.

01:17:30.468 --> 01:17:34.350
[SPEAKER_01]: I was actually a little impressed to buy the things that they kind of predicted.

01:17:34.911 --> 01:17:37.152
[SPEAKER_01]: And maybe it's just what's old as new again.

01:17:37.212 --> 01:17:38.693
[SPEAKER_01]: And it wasn't really predicting.

01:17:38.713 --> 01:17:41.395
[SPEAKER_01]: It was more just reflecting what society was like in the 80s.

01:17:41.895 --> 01:17:45.758
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, watching watching the Ben Richards, uh,

01:17:46.490 --> 01:17:49.011
[SPEAKER_01]: commit you need because you wanted to do the right thing.

01:17:49.831 --> 01:18:02.475
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm trying to think about whether this was like yet no, I'm kind of allegory or this is like I ran contra allegory like what was Steven Dissus are seeing in LA in 84 and 85 that made him think that committing an atrocity

01:18:16.645 --> 01:18:42.425
[SPEAKER_01]: And so there's a lot about narratives, about way things happen in our society and figuring out what happened and being told what your eyes and ear see is exactly the truth that I can't help but just like just do one when I'm watching this film, like do in the deep faiths and doing the

01:18:43.362 --> 01:18:46.763
[SPEAKER_01]: the the cut footage and the unedited footage.

01:18:47.023 --> 01:18:53.165
[SPEAKER_01]: Again, another self-inflicted wound, like making this unedited footage accessible to anybody working at the stage.

01:18:54.345 --> 01:19:02.948
[SPEAKER_00]: There are a few mistakes made by the back guys here, but yes, if this happened in WWE, they were just delete the all the stuff, so you didn't have.

01:19:03.528 --> 01:19:08.409
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, they re-write the footage.

01:19:09.030 --> 01:19:10.350
[SPEAKER_01]: No, I think that

01:19:11.166 --> 01:19:15.089
[SPEAKER_01]: They were going to call to me a story telling that they're doing in these actions within the 80s that I like.

01:19:15.549 --> 01:19:26.236
[SPEAKER_01]: And in this movie as well, and I mentioned the example of how they used cap and freedom to show the house society, how he's portrayed.

01:19:26.796 --> 01:19:27.777
[SPEAKER_01]: And they did that again here.

01:19:27.837 --> 01:19:28.017
[SPEAKER_01]: Like,

01:19:28.708 --> 01:19:49.271
[SPEAKER_01]: There were 15, 20 minutes, they set you up and let you know like these camps like you might get out but you're probably going to die and that's why people do the running man because they don't have any other choice so I like that they created the scenario like no you really don't have a choice like this is going to you can figure out a way to run away and really that bad.

01:19:49.934 --> 01:19:51.875
[SPEAKER_01]: And so I thought they did, I thought they did well.

01:19:51.935 --> 01:19:55.278
[SPEAKER_00]: I think I gave it a three out of five on my letter box rating.

01:19:55.618 --> 01:19:59.681
[SPEAKER_00]: I would probably go see plus, um, I think be mine.

01:19:59.741 --> 01:20:01.922
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't have any more similar score.

01:20:02.963 --> 01:20:12.209
[SPEAKER_00]: I like, you know, as I'm going back through a lot of rewatches, what I'm finding is I like a lot of the,

01:20:13.683 --> 01:20:39.023
[SPEAKER_00]: storytelling in in of a lot of the movies in the 70s and in the 80s it adjusts with the culture and it's like the fans were like no no we just want pomp and circumstance and bombasticness and and which is why part of the reason why WWE succeed so so well in that time frame like sports and everything is kind of going to that thing like who's the superstar who's the bright and flashy

01:20:39.883 --> 01:20:52.650
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, but I do hold the 80s near and dear to my heart as well because, you know, growing up in the 80s, you have these visions of things that were just so cool and so memorable.

01:20:53.350 --> 01:21:07.898
[SPEAKER_00]: And part of that was just being big and bombastic, being Arnold Schwarzenegger for whatever reason, uh, wearing, I think it's a world's gym t-shirt as part of his wardrobe in this

01:21:09.733 --> 01:21:28.650
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, so I saw that and I thought, wow, they're really selling world gym at the corporate capital of sell out organization in the world order like it really think that went through, but that's not a good organization is I'm still around people are having a picture yeah yeah all right, so, um,

01:21:29.791 --> 01:21:37.073
[SPEAKER_00]: I want to thank Daza and of course Fernando, there is another newbie who I haven't seen before.

01:21:37.553 --> 01:21:41.034
[SPEAKER_00]: Daniel was in the chat as well.

01:21:41.074 --> 01:21:45.496
[SPEAKER_00]: This mid Saturday, Gambit, the first was also in the chat.

01:21:45.896 --> 01:21:51.858
[SPEAKER_00]: This mid Saturday little thing for us worked out very well for our schedules.

01:21:52.298 --> 01:21:52.958
[SPEAKER_00]: So appreciate

01:21:53.358 --> 01:21:55.119
[SPEAKER_01]: Our Saturday bat naves of.

01:21:55.219 --> 01:22:01.503
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so I appreciate folks coming in and then the audio version of this will be it will not be up Saturday.

01:22:01.523 --> 01:22:02.623
[SPEAKER_00]: It will be up later in the week.

01:22:02.683 --> 01:22:08.587
[SPEAKER_00]: So those folks on the fight game media feed who are listening to this appreciate you as well.

01:22:10.108 --> 01:22:12.289
[SPEAKER_01]: Have we all have we figured out what movie we're doing next.

01:22:12.895 --> 01:22:28.527
[SPEAKER_00]: So it's on the table of I kind of am leaning towards raging bull just because Jeremy and I have never seen it before and it's kind of always been one of those movies that is there for the taking but for one reason or another, I just never watched it.

01:22:31.081 --> 01:22:35.705
[SPEAKER_00]: going through a lot of those older Scorsese movies.

01:22:36.026 --> 01:22:38.328
[SPEAKER_00]: So it kind of fits there for me too.

01:22:38.968 --> 01:22:52.981
[SPEAKER_00]: There is, you know, obviously it's about a boxer, Jake Lamada, I, from what I understand, it is somewhat about his boxing career, but also just about the crazy life that he lived and he himself not being a great human at the same time.

01:22:53.081 --> 01:22:55.704
[SPEAKER_00]: So that is a possibility of that one.

01:22:56.866 --> 01:22:57.406
[SPEAKER_01]: They were gone.

01:22:57.426 --> 01:23:06.211
[SPEAKER_01]: There was one that I started chewing on and I don't remember if it was on our list of movies that we thought, but for whatever reason, I keep coming back to the princess bride.

01:23:07.112 --> 01:23:08.612
[SPEAKER_00]: Of course, classic.

01:23:09.573 --> 01:23:16.577
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, with honor to the giant and there are the feels like there's more links to it, but I don't know, man.

01:23:16.737 --> 01:23:20.599
[SPEAKER_01]: If that's one that you feel receptive to.

01:23:20.619 --> 01:23:22.460
[SPEAKER_00]: That's one of Chris's favorite movies of all time.

01:23:24.297 --> 01:23:30.284
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean, I've enjoyed it, but I've done so long and for so many great stories about hundreds of giants.

01:23:30.664 --> 01:23:42.938
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, some of them, of course, probably a little tall tail instead of lasted over the years, but you know, that dude had that dude just bigger than life.

01:23:42.998 --> 01:23:43.179
[SPEAKER_00]: So,

01:23:44.463 --> 01:23:51.286
[SPEAKER_01]: And hey, anyone listening, checking out the chat after throw some movies into the comments about what you'd like to see.

01:23:51.566 --> 01:23:53.427
[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe it's not something that we've thought about yet.

01:23:53.667 --> 01:23:55.608
[SPEAKER_00]: And we're definitely open for sure.

01:23:56.748 --> 01:23:57.088
[SPEAKER_00]: All right.

01:23:57.208 --> 01:23:57.848
[SPEAKER_00]: That is it from here.

01:23:57.888 --> 01:24:00.730
[SPEAKER_00]: Thanks to Jeremy for hanging out and doing this with me.

01:24:00.790 --> 01:24:06.392
[SPEAKER_00]: Thanks to folks who are who are in the live chat and also listening on the audio feed.

01:24:08.513 --> 01:24:12.995
[SPEAKER_00]: But okay, for Jeremy, I'm WG, we will see when we see you piece