SummerSlam 2025: Rollins' Shocking (or was it?) Cash-In on CM Punk, Jelly Roll's Performance | WWE Post Game Live

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[SPEAKER_00]: Hey, hey, everybody.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Welcome to our WWE post game live show after night one of Summerslam.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Our guy Fernando already in the chat.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Shout out to Fernando.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Thank you for being here at live with us.

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[SPEAKER_00]: All right, Jeremy.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You watched this show with Big Dave.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Who else was that Big Dave's house tonight?

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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, it was just him, myself and John Quinn are a good friend.

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[SPEAKER_02]: John Quinn stopped by and he'll be a

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[SPEAKER_02]: It'll be there tomorrow as well.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, I missed John Quinn, bummer.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I haven't seen John Quinn in a bit, but I watched it by myself and I kind of watched it in record time there because there was a lot of padding as usual in the packages before the show starts.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The packages after the commercials after so there's only what six matches.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Jeff, half a dozen, half hour segment felt like and tell the main event.

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[SPEAKER_00]: What was the run time like three and a half hours?

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I want to say three at three and a half, maybe three, three, three, five, three, three, five, three, three, five.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, cool.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think I took like less than half of that to watch the entire thing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So that tells you how much padding was in that show, which I don't generally have a problem with it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: If you're watching live, you're kind of hanging out with your buddies and shit chatting.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, getting some food, whatever.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The live crowd, I wonder, I wonder how the live crowd thinks about all of all that stuff.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But they didn't get energized until fifteen minutes into the first match and you know, the show started three.

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[SPEAKER_02]: The first match, the belt rang at three, twenty.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And then it went another fifteen minute before the crowd of like, oh, hey, we got, we got life in us.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And from then on, there were moments here and there, but man, being in that crowd must have been a long day.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, but the problem, I think I think it's two folds.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The problem is you're in this open air stadium.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And the sound is a little different for those kinds of shows.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But also,

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[SPEAKER_00]: When you when you have these two shows the way, you know, you're kind of, it's not, I would imagine most of the people are going to bullshows.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So it's not like you're like, oh my gosh, I'm only going to be here for, you know, one show and I got to get all like, kind of like, I'm here for a while.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to, I'll check in, but I'm not going to, you know, shoot my shoot my wand.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Uh, right away.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Let's say, but you know, I always think these, these kind of shows are kind of funky though when you do them in the open air.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like even watching it, it is so weird because my favorite part of watching these, uh, these big stadium shows is kind of when the sun goes down and it gets to dusk or when it turns to night.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And the show was over so quickly.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't, I don't even know if it was night by the time, uh, Seth Rollins cashed in.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Um, yeah, I was we were talking about this and they're like, why did the show start at three?

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[SPEAKER_02]: Anna and my mind I'm like, well, the last time they ran a show here, everyone was stranded in the middle of the night because they didn't bank on the metro being closed and so they shut this down so everybody can get on the get back on the transit by, you know, ten thirty eleven o'clock, which, you know, good for them for planning that out and uh, lording from there with states, but

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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, it's like the whole the whole timing of this thing.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It's just so funny and the the net life itself, you know, you you've been to these big stadium shows Dallas.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I went to Miami.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You're not watching the ring.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You're looking at the big screen.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, like the only way that you can watch follow is like looking at the screen and so you're reacting almost a split second to a second after everything is happening because of just the transmission of time.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So the open air thing is definitely different than if you're watching it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I also want to shout out Zach and Alpha Omega in the channel as well.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So we got to talk about the top news.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It is everything that we thought and I thought was the right thing to do here, which is Seth Rollins caching in on CM Punk to become the new champion.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I thought it was well done.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It is cheap.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Let me put, let me start out by saying it is cheap and I generally dislike it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And the reason why I dislike it is because to me, it feels like if you're going to win a championship, it should be a hard fought victory, there should be a battle, there should be a story, and it shouldn't just be this cheap thing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Now, he's a heal, so that helps with the cheapness.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's even worse when baby faces do it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That aside, we knew it was coming.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We knew that Seth, and I don't even want to say Seth has been really hurt.

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[SPEAKER_00]: These guys are all banged up.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think Seth tore his knee in that match out on Saturday night's made event.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That was specifically for an angle.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Dave and I have been saying so on Wrestling Observer Radio.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The once I kind of figured out what was because I was, I mean, if you remember that weekend, I was at a wedding.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I was kind of catching up to the news that night in the next day.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then I figured out what was going on.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then John Paul had his statement.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I was like, OK.

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[SPEAKER_00]: this this is a work like that this is a brilliant work because it has the fans questioning and whenever the fans question you know you've done something right this one wasn't see through now to to me I get to talk that they've melted every week so I was gonna have this figured out sooner than most especially if he was so confident that he had it figured out uh... but even that

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[SPEAKER_00]: I still thought it was the right thing to do.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And when you're building your summer slam show around two nights and around moments, you needed to cap off night one with a moment.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And that's why I thought they were going to do it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And that's why I thought it was going to be a great idea.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You have the scene in Cody Rhodes thing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe the rock shows up tomorrow.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We're not really sure if that's going to happen.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But if there is this,

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[SPEAKER_00]: Further telling of the John Cena turning heel and then he had to weirdo face semi face turn on smack though, which I still don't understand.

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[SPEAKER_00]: If they're playing off of that and rock shows up on Sunday, then that is the moment that is going to go viral just by him being there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Or maybe it's John Cena turns back baby face and there's a hug that could go viral.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm thinking of how does WWE like their shows to go off air.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They're big shows.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They like to have moments that fans get excited about and that they like to tweet about and they like to tell their friends about and they like to go back and watch on YouTube.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so for that reason, the setting

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[SPEAKER_00]: was perfect.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I thought the timing was great.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Seth is the king of the cation.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's done this well.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I, you and I were live the first time that he did it, which was a great moment in Russia at WrestleMania thirty one to close Roman and Brock.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I thought this one was just as excellently well done as well.

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[SPEAKER_02]: That was the highest in the century and now they're calling this the roofs of the century so you have this pattern of ways that he's going with this.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I have a lot of mixed thoughts about this on the whole I liked it and I agree with you that.

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[SPEAKER_02]: This was the right way to go.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It was Seth Rollins being crowned like the King of Raw.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, with his group, he stuck it to punk one more time.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You keep the chain moving.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And for if you had a list of

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[SPEAKER_02]: a checkbox of things that you wanted to accomplish in this night.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You can say that you checked it all off.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And you got a really good grade to it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And I was thinking about the show and real that we all kind of consumed at one point and triple H talking about making sure that one specific moment stays with you for the entire show.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And when the match ended in punk won the belt,

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[SPEAKER_02]: There was like, is this the moment and then we all just kind of sat there and we waited and we waited and then we saw the cash in and like, okay, here we go and you know, the taste at all the bit tasted a little bit and you know, it had almost like the um the Kaiser so they reveal you know, like I've been like I've been manipulating this all along and

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[SPEAKER_02]: That's where I start to get a little uneasy because we're entering a new level of audience manipulation with the way that they went about this.

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[SPEAKER_02]: This was, we're going to flat out, lie to you about an injury occurring on a live broadcast in order to put in motion a story in which the first reveals he's not injured after all.

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[SPEAKER_02]: and cash is in and wins the world title.

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[SPEAKER_02]: There's a lot about this that will get some portions of the audience now believing that every injury of the work and that they are going to come back and be a surprise thing when people really do get hurt and it sucks and they have to go and work really, really hard to come back and there's a mental aspect of it that you're playing the fire and I don't love it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Are you playing with fire or are you playing with karma?

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[SPEAKER_02]: I think you're playing with karma, but I think when you play with karma, you play with fire.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So I think you're a little more on the nose of calling it the karma aspect.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So you're going, you're potentially going down a dangerous, dangerous path, but you're always doing that in wrestling.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You're always kind of like pushing the envelope and seeing what you can get away with before people are like, hey man, you need to, you need to stop with this and you pull back and do that.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I think

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[SPEAKER_02]: I think the checkbox is thing really bugs me because this was a great moment, you know, like, but it felt like it was coming.

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[SPEAKER_02]: We all kind of saw it and it was the audience.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So like it was going to happen and then it happened and delivered on an expectation, but an expectation doesn't feel like the product really has hurt, you know, like,

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[SPEAKER_02]: Every event that we've had lately, it's just kind of like a check box to get to the next one.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And I'm not even necessarily sure that this moment hit because I'm not sure we were all as invested in it because we're all more interested in whether set the line or not.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They have a heavy schedule for one and right and that there is something to that where it's like okay we get to get through this thing to the next thing and then clash at Paris is then to get to the next thing it's just this rotating events you want your fan base to watch raw.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So that they watch them act down.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So then they watch the two night paper use.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So then they watch raw again, so then they watch them act it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I think more than ever, because of how cheap it is to get access to these shows, they are just part of your your debit of your ecosystem that you can just, the specialness is kind of out of it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: When when WrestleMania doesn't cost anything to watch,

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[SPEAKER_00]: Then you're like, okay, like, great.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I get to watch Russell Mania after we're about paying, but it's going to feel less special.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I don't even know if it's because WWE sees it at less as less special.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's just more accessible to us.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So our expectations are a little different as far as the moment and the heart and what you said about the heart of the product.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There is something to that while at the same time, this is the hottest that they've ever been in twenty years, I would say.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So, well, it may be meaningful

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[SPEAKER_00]: for us, we also watch this stuff a lot differently.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I don't even know if my heart could be in it as it used to be because of what we do.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like we watch it to talk about it rather than watching it to watch it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's a little bit of a different thing there as well for me.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I'll only speak for myself because I would say like it's curated for the masses and that's what it should be.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It should be as appealing to a much of a general audience as possible.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But when you do that and when you watch it the way that we do, sometimes you do get invested in specific wrestlers or stories or long-term arts.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And I'm less invested in the long-term with them because everything just feels so mechanical.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think it's a fair analysis, but you understand how, how it could seem to somebody when they sell fifty thousand tickets for, you know, for these shows, which means to those fifty thousand people, they're getting something electric from this stuff that maybe isn't resonating with us as much as it is.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And it could be that I've watched a lot of wrestling and you know like this is the first time they've seen a cash in or maybe they were a kid when Seth Rollins had that that first cash in and now they're watching it again and it's you know and bringing them back in nostalgia it's a vibe that there's there's a whole lot of different things that you can attribute to the feeling

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[SPEAKER_02]: of Seth Rollins caching in today.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know what it feels like to me it feels like an algorithm.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I want some of my favorite shows are on Apple TV.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Apple TV does like ten, ten episodes seasons.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And there is a depth to their storytelling, but with only ten episodes at forty five minutes in episode, there's only so much story you can actually tell.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So what you have to do is you have to hit the points that you were just talking about that WWE is looking to hit.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm sure within the scope of how they make these shows,

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[SPEAKER_00]: They go, look, we'll waste time and tell this story because this story is going to work with our audience.

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[SPEAKER_00]: This other story, which may be heartfelt and which may be excellent, our audience doesn't care.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So let's not waste the time and go there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And that may be what WWE is right now is we know how to play the hits.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We know what our audience wants.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It is working better than it has.

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[SPEAKER_00]: sense stone cold and the rock were ripping and running in the attitude era and thus this is what we're going to do because we are a corporation and we are a process and we are not wasting money and we're making sure that we

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[SPEAKER_00]: give all of our partners that the amount of content we need to get them because we need to continue to do that to make money and then we move on.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I think there's an aspect of that, but I don't know that it's not a smart thing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think it's actually very smart and very well-reasoned.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But for someone like yourself who watches New Japan Pro Wrestling, who does it completely differently,

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[SPEAKER_02]: I want to try to see how everybody does it, you know?

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[SPEAKER_00]: But like think about New Japan, if New Japan was more accessible, you have to do some work to watch New Japan.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You do a lot of research and time spent in following this product because that is your beat.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But it probably the least accessible of Ben and years in all honesty right now.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But to me, because of what I covered, it's harder for me to watch.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But if I was just a fan and I wasn't doing this and I wasn't doing Observer, that would be the one that I would want to follow the most, even more than AEW, just because it's the style of storytelling that I find to be heartfelt and worth it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's just not working very well because they lost all of their stars.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That being said, what I like about wrestling and what you like about wrestling is probably not the majority.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We are very specific.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And it's part of it is why we're still watching after all of these years.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But the current fan base in WWE is probably not like us as much.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And this is what WWE has learned.

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[SPEAKER_00]: What TKO has learned about how to fulfill the needs of their current audience and keep them

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[SPEAKER_00]: tuning in and not churning out.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So it's an awesome discussion that, you know, I would love to talk to somebody from WWE or TKO about this, but okay.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So the the the Seth thing worked out very well.

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[SPEAKER_00]: What did you think about the CM Punk and Gunther match in of itself?

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[SPEAKER_02]: I thought it was a one sided ass kicking until the

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[SPEAKER_02]: The table spot and then, you know, got their, you know, pulled off the blade, did the whole deal.

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[SPEAKER_02]: They started selling the nose and a punk had an miraculous comeback.

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[SPEAKER_00]: How is that?

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[SPEAKER_00]: How is that the nose though?

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[SPEAKER_00]: The student is bleeding all over his forehead.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Uh, I mean, it could have just been a whole face thing.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, like, forehead down to the bridge and it's just like, you know, you went down hard at a certain angle and he come back up and, you know, blinded, blinded by blood, you know, can't spell anything.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Mouse is covered in copper.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It's got to be awful.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It's got to be awful.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I love that thought I thought it was.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I thought it was.

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[SPEAKER_02]: not like a five star match, but it was a really good match.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, like, punk in a main event scenario is very smart and he understands what he needs to do.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And at one point, I was wondering if a joke of park was going to get in trouble for going along with Richard, if I was never taking their time at a certain point to this match.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You're like up.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And now we know who to blame.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It wasn't Seth Rollins' fault.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, that was a WWE unreal callback.

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[SPEAKER_00]: By the way, if you haven't watched Unreal, by the way, I wanted to shout out Maria Garcia in the chat as well, who is always hanging out with us.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We appreciate you.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Hello.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Hello.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So my thoughts on punk and Gunther were I thought it was a really good match.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then the last like three minutes, I thought it got to great, but it didn't sit at great for the entire match to me.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Some people, I, you know, really liked it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: In that at that level, I thought the last three minutes were pretty brilliant though.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The idea, you know, it's kind of like a rocky four moment.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like the Russian is cut and he's like never been cut before.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So he didn't know how to deal with that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I don't, I mean, I'm sure it gunked there's blood and matches before.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't remember it too often, but him.

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[SPEAKER_00]: like trying to bat the blood out of his eyes right and trying to like tell punk like you know no pause like I'm not ready and punk then turning into brawler street fighter

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[SPEAKER_00]: I loved that aspect of the match.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He was like, nope, this now what you're good at is is a handy capture a little bit because, you know, you now are bleeding.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And here's what I'm good at.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And he started to brawl with him and take advantage of that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Now, here's what I'm very interested in, which was the finish, which was the GTS.

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[SPEAKER_00]: into Gunther selling being off balance for like ten seconds into the second GTS.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We live in a day and age where pro wrestlers spam finishing moves.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I was hoping because this was the Gunther punk match.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They were not going to do that, but they did it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I thought they moved heaven and earth to try and make Gunther look amazing before losing this match.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, like the majority of this match was him having punk's number and if beating him from pillar to post and even punk giving him one GTS and looking out of like, no, it's gonna take more than that to put this guy down and do that.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So I looked at it from a protection of Gunther.

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[SPEAKER_02]: more than it was like the spamming, but I totally justify where you're coming from on that because if you're protecting Gunther.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's a heel.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I don't know if you have to protect him that much, but like you said, he took ninety percent of this match and he's his power bombing this dude on the back of his head and on his back like so many different times.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I thought he looks strong no matter what and then you just lose to the better guy, but

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I'm having the indelimentable will in the story of the underdog.

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[SPEAKER_02]: He gets by on that.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Gunther just looks like unstoppable on the other end.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And at some point, Gunther is going to be the guy that you're cheering for being unstoppable on that end.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And you know, like they had that formula as a real Ripley and Gunther doesn't have that punk rock aspect of real Ripley.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But he does that have a very similar aesthetic that

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[SPEAKER_02]: when he transfers over to someone that the audience wants to cheer for, it's going to be really interesting to see what he can, what he can maximize out of that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So Fernando said, Gunther, his second title right was very short, not sure if that's a good idea.

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[SPEAKER_00]: This is all optics to the, to what they were getting to tonight, which is the cash in.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Punk against Jay Uso, babyface versus babyface, not as interesting.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think you're not telling that same CM Punk underdog storyline because in order for Seth's cation to be as fantastic as it was, you needed Punk to exhaust himself.

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[SPEAKER_00]: in that match against the bully.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So that's why it happened in that way.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And if you believe in Gunther, then you know that he's, you know, he'll be fine coming out of this because he's, he's excellent.

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[SPEAKER_00]: What I hope is that Gunther gets in the mix with the other belt, but I don't know.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I can't really tell where they're going with him yet.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I would be, I wouldn't be shocked if we got to a scenario.

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[SPEAKER_02]: We'll set up both boats, you know.

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[SPEAKER_02]: There could be a rock is hitching his wagon with the hottest heel act.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Well, cleaners off of off the grid, and that would play into Cody and the conflict with the rock because of the wrong, wrong tying his wagon with Dwayne, which isn't completely out of the question, especially since Dwayne is a final boss is definitely probably looking for those top guys that he can, you know,

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[SPEAKER_02]: really support his act with.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know who I want to join heater.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that's who I want.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I, I don't think it drew all the way back at Mania, but yeah, you, you actually were on the drew thing like way earlier.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I was like, you know, the guy that could really use that is true.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And I still believe that it's just the trajectory for him right now just seem not main event adjacent.

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[SPEAKER_02]: The last thing I'm going to mention here is that punk had a fantastic four gear on tonight with all that stuff.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So really ironic that at the very end, he was doomed by Seth Rollins.

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[SPEAKER_00]: If you watch the movie, you'll get that joke.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, so last of our kind of top headlines and then and then we'll go to the rest of the matches.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We'll talk about all the matches after this, but I wanted to get to the main headlines.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I wanted to get your thoughts on this because

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[SPEAKER_00]: I have been anti jelly roll pretty much from the beginning.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't, I look, I don't care for his music, but that's not why I don't like him.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't like his look.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think he should be going even with any of these pro wrestlers.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think that he is very athletic.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think he's got great visuals, expressions.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He looks like a fan, a tall fan, a tall big fan.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's what he looks like to me.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I don't like that in my perressing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Now, I will say, if he had a great performance tonight, I was so ready to give him his kudos and say, okay, I was being harsh on the dude.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think he had that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't, I can't tell if I'm so disappointed in his performance, but also sort of validating my worries from the beginning, or if I'm being fair, what was the thought at Big Dave's house about this match in Jelly Rill and how he was?

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[SPEAKER_02]: So that's actually funny.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Jelly Rill came out and I looked at John and I looked at David and I was like, the four Jelly Rill

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[SPEAKER_02]: became involved in WWE.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Did either of you have any idea who this guy was?

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[SPEAKER_02]: Because I didn't like, and all honesty, you know what I meant to.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I, you see behind me, it nerds stuff in podcast.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It's, you know, in grunge music, alternative.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, you would, you would know him if he was a comic book fan in public.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Maybe, you know, like,

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[SPEAKER_02]: is really famous like he like, but I don't know that.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So it was one of those.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm not really watching SmackDown or than the YouTube and and seeing the thyroid and so I'm asking them, are you like, are you familiar?

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[SPEAKER_02]: They're like, oh, yeah, I don't, I don't really roll.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And like, job is playing to me.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Like he, he became aware of him in like, twenty twenty two, twenty twenty three.

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[SPEAKER_02]: lost a ton of weight, you know, like, he turned his life around and Dave talking to me like, all right.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So I'm the one, I'm the uncle one here.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I get it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: That's fine.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And then I watched the match and I'm like, yeah, I don't, somebody paid a lot of money for a cross-promotion here because I don't, I don't get other than everyone just having a good time in a party match.

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[SPEAKER_02]: This isn't anything spectacular.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And then Logan Paul pinned him and I'm like, okay.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, so I was also interested in seeing like how successful he is.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I know some of the songs because they're on the, you know, serious X M one.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Why I think a very popular podcast that was made aware of.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's one who is his wife.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know who is wife.

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[SPEAKER_02]: The woman named Pepper at the audience and

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[SPEAKER_02]: I will tell you when you saw her, she had blonde hair and very full collagen lips and basically she looked exactly how you think a beautiful jelly roll wife would have.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, so I looked at his, how much money he makes.

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[SPEAKER_00]: he makes about what a sort of a maybe not the typical top WWE superstar would make but somewhere right underneath there so he's he's famous never gonna be worrying about anything for the rest of his life but he's but he's also not you know Taylor Swift level or anything nobody is but he's not he's not that popular in that famous but

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[SPEAKER_00]: still he is way more famous than a lot of the wrestlers the majority he's more famous than the majority of the wrestlers for him to come in here to have a bad performance to be given the Hulk Hogan come back to take a big splash off the top rope through the table and then lose

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[SPEAKER_00]: Is he just a mark for WWE?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, that's the part that I don't understand.

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[SPEAKER_02]: The only logical thing that I could come up with is that there is some explanation from WWE to basically saying, like, see, even if you're a regular guy and you can't come in here, you can't hang.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Like, that's basically a regular people can't hang in the wrestling ring and we're going to like,

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[SPEAKER_02]: beat your ass kind of in a summer clan match rather than, you know, in the past, you had Steven and Mel doing a summer clan.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But they've told me that this dude has had some wrestling training before.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, a backyard ring doesn't mean that this guy's going to be able to do a twenty five minute match clearly.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, I guess my more of my question was, when WWE sees these celebrities as bigger than life and bigger than the wrestlers, they put these guys over.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So they must not have seen jelly roll at that level, but if I was jelly roll, I would have been like,

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[SPEAKER_00]: If I'm going to lose, I shouldn't be taking a pin like unless he is a mark for the wrestlers, then maybe.

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[SPEAKER_02]: There's a car before the horse thing going on with the celebrities in WWE right now.

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[SPEAKER_02]: They got Travis Scott in there and now they're cutting promos that like the only rapper that can beat your ass is me with a platinum rap.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It's going to be me and

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[SPEAKER_02]: you know you bring jelly roll in there and it's almost like they brought bad bunny and it worked so well that the confident factor of repeating that magic is almost like it doesn't matter how good the rest that that person's abilities if they have a little and we put them with the right guy we can make this work and you know like in

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[SPEAKER_02]: And retroactively, they're going to make this look amazing.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, they're going to have to highlight reals of all the amazing stuff.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And they won't draw upon like him losing.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Maybe he'll come back and he'll have another match with Logan Paul.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And he wins that match.

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[SPEAKER_02]: That's the best thing that I can come up with is Logan Paul Jolly Roll match at like WrestleMania X year.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And then you have all the whistles and bells.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You have all the

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[SPEAKER_02]: which streamers and you have like people the WWE contract coming in helping in jelly roll.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Like that could that feels like it didn't feel like a small conference.

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[SPEAKER_02]: We shall we roll as much as it was like, hey, we got, we got a step to do here, but this person's, it can be around all the time.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So we're gonna, like, put something in there, give them something a reason to come back and beat some athlete at the time, and then he'll get his big win.

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[SPEAKER_02]: That's the only thing that I can think of that makes any sense out of all.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, so the, we have a, we have a celebrity who was on this show who we can actually use as a comparison.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Cardi B was the host, hostess.

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[SPEAKER_00]: She is exponentially worth more than jelly roll.

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[SPEAKER_00]: If she was in a match, let's say she and Jade were in attack team match against two of the women.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Cardi B is not getting pinned on this show.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So they see jelly roll as not all that famous, which is kind of.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It's hard to be going to have another match after the setting up something in the future.

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[SPEAKER_02]: If there's something where jelly roll comes back at the Royal Rumble and throws Paul out and then you set something up in the future.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't either.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But like the example is.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I see Joey roll coming back and doing more work.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't ever see like a hypothetical of Cardi B is great, but it's how much work are we getting out of this individuals that are one and done, or is this, you know, over the course of the next year, it lets lay out a couple of opportunities for us to do work together.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So transferring heat, shout out to transferring heat says he thinks next year, Logan will be WWE champ.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I agree, Logan was really good in this match.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know who else thinks that Logan is going to be future WWE champ?

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[SPEAKER_00]: No, no, no other than the current or actually is not current.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe he'll be current tomorrow.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Cody Rhodes, based on the Bill Simmons podcast said that Logan is as

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[SPEAKER_00]: bad of a person as you can imagine he he he he went a little short of calling him a dick but then said when it comes to the possibilities with him he's like this dude is great undeniably talented but we're not like being given the WWE title in WWE is not

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[SPEAKER_02]: Totally a referendum on your character, you know, and not an organization.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And if there is an opportunity to put that belt on Logan Paul to get a level of heat among the fan base that and you're able to go viral on a more consistent level with that title everywhere.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And then you're able to get the biggest baby of all baby faces to win that title back, you know, like a tail vote is time.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, okay.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Let's go through the entire show.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So the opener was Roman Reigns and Jay is so good.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They beat Braun Break and Broughtson.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I really like this match.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I did not like the production of this match.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It felt like

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[SPEAKER_00]: the camera was zoomed out when it needed to be zoomed in.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It felt like the camera was a little late and switching over when it needed to focus on the right thing that the announcers were actually calling.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I don't know what was up with that, but I got a kick out of Roman Reigns kind of

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[SPEAKER_00]: goofing off with Jay a little bit.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I thought that was a lot of fun.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Brought the both bronze bronze and in bronze.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I thought look great.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I thought like coming out of that match as you know.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They're the best tag team in WWE just have them win the tag team titles.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Let's not worry about these smaller teams in this, you know, this match tomorrow night.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Let's let's put the belts on the real tag team main of enters here.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But I thought the match was great.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like you had athleticism.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You had a very, I don't even know if you'd call it traditional, but it's about as traditional as twenty twenty five pro wrestling is going to be in WWE's first the style of tag team match.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Using J to sell sell sell, trying to get to the hot tag.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We even had the spot where J was about to reach Roman and then Bronson pulled Roman out.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, that spot is as old as time always works.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then they finally hot tagged into Roman.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I was actually surprised.

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[SPEAKER_00]: J got the pin.

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[SPEAKER_00]: on Bronson Reed.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So Roman was there as a good cousin, I guess you could say, because I completely thought Roman was going to pin Bronson Reed after a spear.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But that did not happen.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Jay hit the splash off the top rope after Bronson was about to hit a tsunami, but Roman superman punched him off the top rope.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And there was tons of outside, you know, they're going

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[SPEAKER_00]: The, um, they're going to the well one too many times with this bronze brown breaker running around in blasting people.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Uh, they did it like three or four times in this match alone.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's a violent spot.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And also, the more he does it, the less meaningful it is, because I only need to see it once, and I'm like, this dude's a badass.

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[SPEAKER_00]: If I see it five times, I'm like, okay, maybe it's not a specialist this fourth and fifth time.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That was, that was really my only critique of it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I know some people wanted to see Braun and Braun's in win.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I did not think that they should have won, especially if Seth was going to cash in at the end.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I thought that because, and here's why and I said this with Dave, I love Seth saying Seth holding the title and being like the smartest guy and then Braun literally just called himself the leader of the crew on Raw and Seth going like,

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, you guys did a good job, but you know, the real, the real leader is here.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Like I like this is what the interim interim problem.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So overall, what did you think about this match?

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[SPEAKER_02]: I have a little bit of a hot take here and I kind of thought it was a really good raw benefit.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's funny because I thought the same about every other match except for the opener and the main event.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I didn't think it couple though.

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[SPEAKER_02]: We're good raw made of that.

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[SPEAKER_02]: That's on a couple.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And we're good raw matches won't get to those at some point.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But yeah, this match was very formulaic and it relied on the, you know,

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[SPEAKER_02]: the aura of Roman reign to J.U.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So and brawn breaker and brawls and read.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Like all four of these guys have that own damn, this guys in this match too, that's really cool.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And they hit to some extent the potential on that, but I felt like they left a lot the chamber, especially when it came to brawn and Roman, and I thought that finish was really interesting, because they gave you a little bit of a tease of

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[SPEAKER_02]: Roman and brawn in the future with brawn like caring Roman in half one last time before Jay got the upper hand on brawns and and then they were kind of separated and then the finish was something you know completely adjacent to all of that I thought I thought the crowd was hot for it in the very beginning when they did like the character instance and then restarted Jay's music but it but once it went to Jay just you know

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[SPEAKER_02]: selling selling for ten minutes, the crowd of just like, okay, and they really waited on tick.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And I'm not even sure the crowd went as hot as it could of when they finally were able to like turn it around with Roman, uh, get not hot tag.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I, I think the crowd is like, what these guys have to tag to get in the ring?

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[SPEAKER_00]: What is this?

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[SPEAKER_00]: This is not pro wrestling in twenty twenty five.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So Fernando says that he thinks Bron is winning the rumble in challenging Seth.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's what I want to see.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I see or Bron would be my two guys doing the rumble at this point.

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[SPEAKER_00]: All right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So the next match was a kind of a replica of this match.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It was Charlotte and Alexa winning the tagged women's tag championships from Rakel and Roxanne.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Alexa selling selling selling the difference here.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know if Alexa is very good is the fiery underdog baby face.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like the moments were there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: She tried her ass off.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It didn't really connect with me.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There were a couple of times when she's running the ropes and I could tell she's like counting her spots, they're counting her steps.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I also think, and you talked about your hot take.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Roxanne Perez is kind of who maybe the fans want Alexa to be as far as that small wrestler who's like really good like if you compare the actual wrestling between the two women like Roxanne is heads and shoulders above where Alexa Bliss is now I want to give Alexa Bliss some benefit of the doubt

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[SPEAKER_00]: She had a child, she's made her come back.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That is relevant in this discussion.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That is hard.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There's so much difficulty in that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I want to give her her kudos in that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But at the same time, what we're watching on television, I think we can critique fairly.

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[SPEAKER_00]: the story of Alexa and Charlotte together.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think it's a really, really fun one.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And there's a great shot as Alexa's about to hit the move earlier in the match.

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[SPEAKER_00]: She accidentally punch Charlotte.

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[SPEAKER_00]: and so she's she's doing her sister Abigail and they have a shot of Charlotte in the corner waiting as if she's going to hit Alexa but instead what she's actually doing is she's waiting for Raquel to try and interfere and Alexa can't see Raquel because she's looking at Charlotte and she had an old shit moment but then Charlotte kicks Raquel and Alexa's like

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[SPEAKER_00]: Whew, okay.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I can hit my move now.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I thought that was very well done.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I kind of crapped on the cameras shots in the first match.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It was excellent.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They did that thing perfectly and it was, it was well done.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But the fans weren't that into it because they just saw that match.

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[SPEAKER_00]: done better and more athletically by the men.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I would have split up the tag team matches and I would have agent to them a little bit differently or I would have split them on different nights because they were too simple.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Maybe put Becky and Lyra on that thought and then Charlotte and that tag match on the second night, but maybe they have reasons for you know keeping the judgment day apart on these tonight as well, you know nothing.

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[SPEAKER_02]: The thing about this match was it was very similar, like you said to the other one, except there was no inclination to make the judgment day look anything other than the opponent to Alexa and Charlotte in the match.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Whereas in the other one, there was a concerted effort to make brawn, especially look like the next

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[SPEAKER_02]: great thing and brought to this well, but it was basically, you know, brought this one, it didn't, it didn't have that and, you know, it was reliant on recall, you know, trying to be dominant and, you know, stepping into that role is that big opposing force.

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[SPEAKER_02]: She wants, and the leader of the team is right, just kind of like, she, she just didn't have that fiery presence to really like sell me on that.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And you were talking about Alexa and the thing that I was thinking about when we when I was watching it was for the last five years.

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[SPEAKER_02]: She's been in accessory to to the wife or whatever and you know her personal life she she stepped away to for the family and marriage and she's come back and you know something we've learned that she was like the fifth horseman and that kind of a chip on her shoulder about like not being considered on the level of you know Sasha

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[SPEAKER_02]: Bailey, Becky, and Charlotte.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And now she's kind of getting that opportunity.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And I watch her and, you know, I see her as like she doesn't have to be doing this.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So she's, she's pretty much sent for life with the way that she's doing it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: She's out there trying to prove something.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And I don't know if she's just, I don't know if necessarily she's cleaning at that.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But I can tell that she's out there with something to prove.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think she's also better as a heal than she's a baby face.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Sam is in carrying hold on half the yon cross Holy cow dude.

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[SPEAKER_00]: When are we going to stop with this guy?

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[SPEAKER_00]: I like it's he's got a cute character

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[SPEAKER_00]: I understand why people like him.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's the people also like it when somebody feels like they're deserving of more and they're kind of mythically held back and there's a glass ceiling placed above their head.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You can't talk about him like he'd a martyr when his name is crossed.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm so tired of this guy because

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, I can enjoy the character and the maniacalness and the promos when they turn the lights on in the ring and they ring the bell.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I am bored.

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[SPEAKER_00]: When you make a semi-zane match boring, they're something wrong.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know why they keep trying.

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[SPEAKER_00]: This is this is very similar to me with the, uh, what's, let's do the NNXT Ridge Rich Holland.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I understand the look with Rich Holland and why they keep trying with them more so.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But they're just too big dudes who don't do anything once they step inside the ropes.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like they step inside the ropes and they make the matches worse.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't understand why we continue with these guys.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I just felt bad.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, like I'm watching this and it's like I'm watching this guy's opportunity.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Just kind of evaporate because this was a summer slam match with Jamie Zane.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Like a one on one match and it was nothing.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Like he didn't show anything.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You know what I mean?

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[SPEAKER_02]: Like it was, it was a raw like middle of the card match.

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[SPEAKER_00]: What's that move that Sammy Zain?

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[SPEAKER_00]: What's it called when Sammy Zain does that move where he kind of picks the person up and throws them backwards into the corner.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Cross went up and I'll paraphrase a John the Rocka here.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Cross went up like a sack of shit.

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[SPEAKER_02]: The whole thing.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And you saw that you saw the bar get introduced to the thing.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And it was almost like

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[SPEAKER_02]: How the bar was utilized was a metaphor for the rest of Cross's career.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It's just like if he wins this match, he might have something.

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[SPEAKER_02]: If he does not win this match, where do you go from here?

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[SPEAKER_02]: Like where do you go in WWE?

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[SPEAKER_02]: And if you're not in WWE, where do you go from here?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, it was interesting that these two matches were kind of back to back because I'm at the point with carrying cross that I don't even really want to see him on TV anymore like I'm just done with him.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm like, can we we have so many younger wrestlers who have so much more opportunity and talent like not that not that I need to see.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Uh, Ethan page any more than I do on NXT, but replace the two guys, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Put Ethan page in a similar spot of carrying cross and Ethan page gets overweight way more.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You know what, you know what they should do with carrying cross, put him in a tag with Malachi black.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh my god.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That might be something that they do actually work.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But okay, so this next match I'm kind of actually interested and I want to know what the house thought about this too because

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[SPEAKER_00]: I thought Karen Cross lost a ton and to the point of where I don't know if he should be on the shows anymore.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But at the same time, I almost wonder if Jade Cargill lost more.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, she absolutely did.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Because she got pinned flat in the middle of the ring in a nothing match.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm not sure she even did a ton in losing.

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[SPEAKER_02]: This is a referendum.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, like this is the diet cast on her kind of thing where it's just like if you again with like cross, you know, you win this match or you lose this match.

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[SPEAKER_02]: This was like a title shot and at one point she came in with the assumption like they're going to put the belt on her like as quickly as possible.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And then it became a delay to even debut her and then it was

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[SPEAKER_02]: we're at a tag team program and then, you know, not really getting the primary WrestleMania program kind of shoot in at the very end and, you know, you get December slam and, you know, all conventional logic is put the belt on her and see if she can carry the responsibility and she can do that data side and not to do that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: by the way, I thought Tiffany Stratton looked fantastic.

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[SPEAKER_00]: She looked in tremendous shape tonight.

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[SPEAKER_00]: She got in summer slam shape for sure.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So transferring heat says Tiffany's future.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I agree.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Tiffany can be the future and Jade Cargale still doesn't have to look like

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[SPEAKER_00]: they gave up on her on the same night.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like two like those two things don't have to both be equally true.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I wonder if it's back to the drawing board with Jade, if that was maybe a little bit of a punishment, like they didn't have to, they didn't have to do it this way is my point.

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[SPEAKER_00]: She didn't have to win Queen of the Ring if she was going to come in and as a challenger, basically be nothing to lose the match.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like you could have done it so differently.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I think there was a conscious decision to do it this way because there was a conscious decision to book them through the way that he was booked, losing the title.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, if Jade wasn't going to win the title, she could have been booked a lot stronger than she was in this match.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It was at best, fifty, fifty.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And so for her to go in and

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[SPEAKER_02]: Somarily lose becomes a case like, well, Naomi's off in the other brand.

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[SPEAKER_02]: We're maybe looking at Bianca Belair, if the next person to go challenge Tiffany in some way unless we're running back nine jets.

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[SPEAKER_02]: There aren't a whole lot of people on that roster on the women side that they could create a fresh new feud with and yet they still decided to keep the belt on Tiffany.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We talked about the last two matches or the last three technically with the cations.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We don't have to go over those matches.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But I was interested in your thoughts on A. Let's first do a grade.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Let me see, do I have the, do I have our little graphic here in our little audio?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, hang on.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Let's do a report card grade here.

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[SPEAKER_01]: All right, it's time to go to schools, huh?

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[SPEAKER_00]: All right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Are you ready?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm going B minus.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I was thinking C plus, but I think the cash in was good enough for me to go B minus.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I was gonna go B. Okay.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Good, we're kind of in the same area with it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, Paul and I on the last episode of the take down, we kind of went back and forth about what style of card would you rather watch?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Do you want to give five hours of one of your evenings away to watch an AW show?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Or do you want to give two of your evenings, but maybe three and a half hours each and watch a WWE show?

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[SPEAKER_00]: And if I am watching live, I think the answer changes because if I'm watching on a delay, I probably like the WWE style more because I can zip through all of the nonsense.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, so did you like the like are you looking forward to going back to Dave's tomorrow and watching night two or would you rather have this been one five and a half hour night one and that was it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I think I prefer WWE to be two nights because the way that they structure their programming on the show is such that I would be exceptionally more frustrated after five and a half hours of a WWE program than I am for five and a half hours of an AEW pay for you.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I just think AEW paper views are absolutely bloated and that you can hold some of this back, but I'm not going to tell anybody that you should offer less content for the same amount of money to in a world where we are constantly being bombarded by insunification.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So we're not doing that, but when you look at it on that aspect, I think I would much prefer a three, three and a half hour bloated program where I can

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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, sitting shoot the brief with people rather than, you know, do sit down with that because you're just tired.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And the next day sucks.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And yeah, you know, I know we record not everybody records after these shows or anything like that.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But there is a lot of extra work to be.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But when you're like talking about this afterwards.

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[SPEAKER_00]: All right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm assuming you're going to have punk in Gunther is your best match tonight.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It was a one match card.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And then to meet you.

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[SPEAKER_00]: What about worst match?

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[SPEAKER_00]: What what would you consider the worst.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, cross and say me by far.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think I think that's right though for if we're just talking about performance, I was just so frustrated with that jail of performance.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know if there was any activism of Logan Paul and had the highest spot of the night.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, you know, with the with the fraud splash on to the announced table, I'm like, I can't call that the works.

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[SPEAKER_00]: By the way, we're talking about Seth Rollins.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I've had two people tell me that their kids got sad to the point of tears when CM Punk got cashed in on.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Good.

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[SPEAKER_02]: At least.

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[SPEAKER_00]: All these folks.

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[SPEAKER_00]: All these guys.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Making kids cry.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Remember when these put smile on people's faces?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Now they put tears.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, man.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Everyone.

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[SPEAKER_02]: When Hogan turned to the NWO and and and all the Pokemon ads burned their shirt.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, when I saw that dude turn heel and he went for the second leg drop on Macho.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I leg dropped the floor at the same time.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I was so fired up.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You wanted to give the earth a what for for that trail.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I was like I was that was a twenty year old dude by then still doing phantom leg drops on on the floor.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It amazes me that we had a summer slam where for the most part nothing happened until the main event.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Like it was just such a pedestrian like here's here's a match like we're going to produce and like it was just very formulaic again mechanical and the cash in

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[SPEAKER_02]: Again, like Fernando earlier said, like Seth versus punk has been a really great program.

56:45.734 --> 56:47.736
[SPEAKER_02]: And I don't want to take away from any of that.

56:48.217 --> 56:56.245
[SPEAKER_02]: It absolutely has been ended up an elevated by the talent of Seth of punk, even Roman when his partner is to play in all this.

56:56.305 --> 57:01.571
[SPEAKER_02]: Like this stuff is the most compelling like programming that you have in WWE.

57:03.813 --> 57:12.138
[SPEAKER_02]: My whole issue is that I think most of the thing that I try to get back to it, or if I didn't, is like there's just an end factor missing in the whole product.

57:12.678 --> 57:23.964
[SPEAKER_02]: Just some type of end factor that was there in twenty twenty two and twenty twenty three when triple age or Paul of that got the reins and it was just like, okay, here we go.

57:24.064 --> 57:29.668
[SPEAKER_02]: This is the new like thing and we've settled into comfortable and comfortable is fine.

57:29.868 --> 57:30.208
[SPEAKER_02]: Everybody

57:30.964 --> 57:31.944
[SPEAKER_02]: Good with comfortable.

57:32.204 --> 57:32.805
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

57:32.845 --> 57:33.505
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, the spark.

57:33.985 --> 57:34.205
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

57:34.905 --> 57:35.085
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

57:35.185 --> 57:35.325
[SPEAKER_00]: No.

57:35.505 --> 57:36.305
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm glad I'm with you.

57:36.506 --> 57:38.446
[SPEAKER_02]: I just don't have it right now.

57:39.006 --> 57:39.406
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm with you.

57:40.427 --> 57:40.767
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.

57:40.827 --> 57:47.389
[SPEAKER_00]: So I guess we'll, uh, we'll, we'll guess the, uh, the big big Dave started.

57:47.449 --> 57:59.572
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know if you actually heard any tonight, but I'm really interested in what you think he's going to give the, uh, the punk Gunther match and also the opener.

58:01.312 --> 58:05.834
[SPEAKER_02]: Hmm for for the opener for a quarter for a pumpkin gun there.

58:06.994 --> 58:10.496
[SPEAKER_00]: I was thinking for and four and a half so we're we're pretty close on that one as well.

58:11.556 --> 58:15.318
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I could be four and a half, but when I was talking to them, what like.

58:16.168 --> 58:26.498
[SPEAKER_02]: There, you can kind of get gas when you said it was very good and not great is kind of a, uh, it's kind of a giveaway that it's above four, but not four and three quarters.

58:26.898 --> 58:27.099
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

58:27.219 --> 58:27.439
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

58:27.499 --> 58:27.839
[SPEAKER_00]: Totally.

58:28.780 --> 58:28.960
[SPEAKER_00]: All right.

58:28.980 --> 58:40.291
[SPEAKER_00]: Let's preview night two now tomorrow evening after night two that they're going to be up probably a little bit a little bit after, um, around eight o'clock.

58:41.161 --> 58:46.404
[SPEAKER_00]: Pacific, we were scheduled to go at eight, but I was able to get done with this show much quicker.

58:46.864 --> 58:52.167
[SPEAKER_00]: I think Scott tomorrow night has to, he has to work.

58:52.207 --> 58:56.149
[SPEAKER_00]: So he may not get through it as quickly, but they're scheduled to go up at eight p.m.

58:56.209 --> 58:59.831
[SPEAKER_00]: Pacific if they are done with the stuff that they need to.

58:59.871 --> 59:01.092
[SPEAKER_00]: They make it earlier as well.

59:01.652 --> 59:10.457
[SPEAKER_02]: It can be so shocking that if you think of everybody more time to digest their feelings, Scott unpacked Tony and Sino one last time.

59:10.682 --> 59:14.644
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so that's they'll be up live tomorrow night on night two.

59:15.285 --> 59:17.366
[SPEAKER_00]: So let's talk a little bit about night two.

59:17.466 --> 59:29.092
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm actually interested in in what you think about night two, at least on paper compared to night one, we have the women's world championship triple threat Naomi reapply an EOS guy.

59:29.292 --> 59:31.494
[SPEAKER_00]: Lots of people are excited for that one.

59:32.494 --> 59:34.256
[SPEAKER_00]: Becky Lynch and Lyra.

59:34.756 --> 59:37.478
[SPEAKER_00]: I think a lot of people think that's going to be an excellent match as well.

59:37.919 --> 59:39.720
[SPEAKER_02]: Are there any stipulations that match?

59:39.740 --> 59:42.623
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, there are many stipulations in this match.

59:43.543 --> 59:46.386
[SPEAKER_00]: No DQ, no count out.

59:46.606 --> 59:49.268
[SPEAKER_00]: Last chance for Lyra if she doesn't beat Becky.

59:49.909 --> 59:53.792
[SPEAKER_00]: It's funny because John and I were talking about this on the fight game podcast.

59:55.918 --> 59:57.779
[SPEAKER_00]: Cody and Sina is a street fight.

59:58.439 --> 01:00:02.221
[SPEAKER_00]: Becky and Lyra is essentially a street fight.

01:00:04.442 --> 01:00:11.325
[SPEAKER_00]: And then you have a triple threat match was essentially a no disqualification match correct year and you have what I'm paying in here.

01:00:11.685 --> 01:00:16.207
[SPEAKER_00]: And then you have a solo see Jacob Fattu in a steel cage match.

01:00:16.507 --> 01:00:17.067
[SPEAKER_00]: That's five.

01:00:17.647 --> 01:00:20.429
[SPEAKER_00]: And then you have the six pack TLC match.

01:00:20.489 --> 01:00:27.372
[SPEAKER_00]: The only normal match is Dom and AJ and you know there's going to be shenanigans up the Wahzu in that match.

01:00:27.712 --> 01:00:31.714
[SPEAKER_02]: I would not be shocked in the slightest if that one ended in the disqualification.

01:00:33.635 --> 01:00:37.117
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's the only one that doesn't have a no-diki step in it.

01:00:37.137 --> 01:00:41.500
[SPEAKER_02]: They're they're a part of me that think that AJ might win the title and then

01:00:42.934 --> 01:00:47.275
[SPEAKER_02]: Dominic ends up winning that mega championship at the Triple A show in a couple of weeks.

01:00:47.796 --> 01:00:50.536
[SPEAKER_02]: But I'm also like, why didn't matter if Dom loses the title?

01:00:50.556 --> 01:00:56.078
[SPEAKER_02]: Why can't he just win both titles and watch around like, like, everyone else has multiple titles.

01:00:56.138 --> 01:00:57.359
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, does it really matter?

01:00:58.479 --> 01:01:03.701
[SPEAKER_02]: So I, that was the one where I was like, man, they're just going hot and mean on the stipulation.

01:01:03.901 --> 01:01:04.941
[SPEAKER_02]: And then you have Dominic and AJ.

01:01:06.512 --> 01:01:20.077
[SPEAKER_00]: I imagine now I'm not going to say for sure, but I would imagine if it comes to that special sauce that you're talking about, there's going to be a better chance that that happens on night to just because of the matchups.

01:01:20.818 --> 01:01:26.260
[SPEAKER_00]: The both women's matches seem like they have a chance to be really, really good.

01:01:27.520 --> 01:01:34.243
[SPEAKER_00]: And if you are a fan of that TLC style a match, which I mean, I like it, but we've seen so many of them.

01:01:35.233 --> 01:01:37.654
[SPEAKER_00]: I imagine you're going to see some great spots in that match.

01:01:37.674 --> 01:01:44.838
[SPEAKER_00]: You have some really, really smart wrestlers like Gargano and Champa, Fraxia, Motor City machine guns.

01:01:44.858 --> 01:01:51.421
[SPEAKER_00]: You have Montes Ford who's probably going to try and jump as high as humanly possible in a match like this.

01:01:52.222 --> 01:02:00.826
[SPEAKER_00]: And you know, on Droughty and Phoenix together, they kind of, you know, you were talking about Alexa Bliss trying to prove something.

01:02:01.726 --> 01:02:02.767
[SPEAKER_00]: I think those guys

01:02:04.123 --> 01:02:10.354
[SPEAKER_00]: They need to prove something themselves because I think they could be an excellent excellent tag team if given the chance.

01:02:10.794 --> 01:02:14.501
[SPEAKER_00]: And it's funny because no Penta on this show.

01:02:15.555 --> 01:02:16.295
[SPEAKER_00]: I think is he hurt?

01:02:17.016 --> 01:02:18.316
[SPEAKER_00]: Is that what his deal is?

01:02:18.456 --> 01:02:25.519
[SPEAKER_02]: So he, uh, he was doing a show last week and meant to go and it was all dressed up for his entrances.

01:02:25.599 --> 01:02:25.899
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.

01:02:26.180 --> 01:02:29.701
[SPEAKER_00]: But match, you know, we've been waiting for a pentan Phoenix to get together.

01:02:30.221 --> 01:02:33.743
[SPEAKER_00]: And until that happens, Ray Phoenix is an attacking with somebody else.

01:02:33.803 --> 01:02:38.545
[SPEAKER_00]: But I do think that tag team can be excellent because both of those guys are really good.

01:02:38.645 --> 01:02:40.986
[SPEAKER_00]: So that match should deliver.

01:02:41.046 --> 01:02:43.287
[SPEAKER_00]: It's just if you're into the shenanigans.

01:02:44.087 --> 01:02:46.308
[SPEAKER_02]: Sorry, if that's the steal the weekend match.

01:02:46.948 --> 01:02:48.169
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I think they're going to try.

01:02:48.189 --> 01:02:50.450
[SPEAKER_00]: Uh, solo and Jacob.

01:02:50.850 --> 01:02:52.651
[SPEAKER_00]: I love the solo character.

01:02:52.831 --> 01:02:54.811
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm so entertained by solo.

01:02:55.632 --> 01:03:05.976
[SPEAKER_00]: His wrestling is a little stale and and two same Sammy for me, but maybe this is the match where we get to see solo kind of come out of his shell a little bit because Jacob.

01:03:07.036 --> 01:03:08.717
[SPEAKER_00]: I think we're going to see Jacob trying to do that.

01:03:08.757 --> 01:03:11.238
[SPEAKER_00]: Moonsol off the top of the cage and that's going to be nuts.

01:03:13.249 --> 01:03:32.360
[SPEAKER_00]: uh... tell us all you can be catching him on the outside of the ring true true very true um... so so yeah like night two i think is going to be the better wrestling show um... this was this was going to be the the night cap moment show what do you think it's going to happen with scene and cody

01:03:37.037 --> 01:03:48.791
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, we talked about this off the air, but this is either like the speed run of the greener turn because it's only got fifteen more things and, you know, like

01:03:49.500 --> 01:03:53.161
[SPEAKER_02]: He's going to win this match or lose this match.

01:03:53.181 --> 01:03:55.242
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, they're four, they're four outcomes.

01:03:55.542 --> 01:03:57.042
[SPEAKER_02]: He wins any state heel.

01:03:57.062 --> 01:04:02.624
[SPEAKER_02]: He wins any turns, baby things or he loses in state heel or it loses in her baby face.

01:04:03.464 --> 01:04:05.865
[SPEAKER_02]: At the point, it don't even really care.

01:04:05.885 --> 01:04:12.367
[SPEAKER_02]: I just wanted him to have a good like story on the way out and just give me something I can put my teeth into.

01:04:13.226 --> 01:04:24.671
[SPEAKER_02]: I watched that promo on SmackDown that was incredibly bizarre and with either like the face turn that happened and Cody is turning heel or.

01:04:24.691 --> 01:04:29.133
[SPEAKER_00]: If the rock is the rocks going to get a soul.

01:04:30.294 --> 01:04:30.754
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean.

01:04:32.987 --> 01:04:36.688
[SPEAKER_02]: At some point, Ron's gonna have to find another guy, because he's taking off.

01:04:37.048 --> 01:04:37.268
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

01:04:37.748 --> 01:04:42.389
[SPEAKER_00]: He didn't even do anything with seeing how he bounced so hard.

01:04:42.649 --> 01:04:49.631
[SPEAKER_02]: You lost your interest in the story, and he was like, and then, John's like, I was left all alone, and I realized that I didn't have anything left.

01:04:49.771 --> 01:04:50.371
[SPEAKER_00]: You know why?

01:04:50.391 --> 01:04:52.392
[SPEAKER_00]: He didn't fucking get his way.

01:04:52.452 --> 01:04:53.652
[SPEAKER_00]: That's why he left.

01:04:53.772 --> 01:04:57.213
[SPEAKER_02]: Just like, the story didn't go according to plan.

01:04:57.253 --> 01:05:01.234
[SPEAKER_02]: And so he's like, yeah, you guys, you guys can watch figure yourself out of this one.

01:05:02.819 --> 01:05:07.194
[SPEAKER_02]: I really liked the nostalgia moment of China.

01:05:08.623 --> 01:05:13.184
[SPEAKER_02]: holding the title, doing the Champions here, getting all that stuff.

01:05:13.824 --> 01:05:25.047
[SPEAKER_02]: Now, there is going to be archival footage in the final run that they can trot out at any given point of him in a final run, doing the victorious to Champions here in the crowd going wild.

01:05:25.407 --> 01:05:28.688
[SPEAKER_02]: There is no manipulation or AI, but it includes legitimate footage.

01:05:29.048 --> 01:05:34.390
[SPEAKER_02]: They manipulated the audience and getting all this and they can go to do whatever they want to marinate.

01:05:34.990 --> 01:05:45.994
[SPEAKER_02]: you know like the mission of accomplished people got that like traditional peanut promo baby face, the champ of here, all that stuff.

01:05:46.795 --> 01:06:03.322
[SPEAKER_02]: At the point, if Cody turns, okay, I'm actually kind of into this idea of you know, a really goody, Cody Rhodes just acting like Rick Flare all over the place and just making the crowd hate him.

01:06:03.802 --> 01:06:04.222
[SPEAKER_02]: I think

01:06:05.101 --> 01:06:06.682
[SPEAKER_02]: I think that could be a lot of fun.

01:06:07.163 --> 01:06:08.804
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, it's interesting about that.

01:06:09.164 --> 01:06:11.647
[SPEAKER_00]: He was on, I mentioned he was on the Bill Simmons show.

01:06:13.248 --> 01:06:19.153
[SPEAKER_00]: He is of the idea that he doesn't even really turn.

01:06:19.293 --> 01:06:23.536
[SPEAKER_00]: He just lets the fans boo him if they want to boo him.

01:06:24.757 --> 01:06:25.178
[SPEAKER_00]: And so

01:06:26.903 --> 01:06:44.047
[SPEAKER_00]: If he does turn, I want to see what you just said, which is his version of the nature boy Rick Flair versus this ambiguous gray Cody Rhodes, which is the Cody Rhodes that we saw in AEW near the end.

01:06:44.627 --> 01:06:49.028
[SPEAKER_00]: Where fans were just booing him and he was kind of being the same guy, but to them he was just all said,

01:06:50.998 --> 01:06:57.344
[SPEAKER_00]: If he does turn, I would love to see this Rick Flair version or an actual heel version rather than in the middle version.

01:06:58.344 --> 01:06:59.926
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, last thing, and we're going to get out of here.

01:06:59.946 --> 01:07:09.694
[SPEAKER_00]: And like I said tomorrow evening, Kila and Scott will be here and they will be your hosts for night two of the summer slam, a WWE post game live show.

01:07:11.536 --> 01:07:16.981
[SPEAKER_00]: Was there any celebrities that you were like, oh, that's kind of cool or are you just kind of like,

01:07:18.206 --> 01:07:22.021
[SPEAKER_00]: They think everybody's a celebrity and they let all these YouTubers in and stuff.

01:07:23.824 --> 01:07:26.285
[SPEAKER_02]: I saw Nick Hogan, I thought that was nice.

01:07:27.906 --> 01:07:33.269
[SPEAKER_02]: Lady B would be upset if I didn't give Cardi B her flowers.

01:07:33.389 --> 01:07:38.491
[SPEAKER_02]: I just say that she really tied the room together and really getting the energy going.

01:07:38.691 --> 01:07:40.532
[SPEAKER_00]: Did you see her elbow?

01:07:40.932 --> 01:07:42.133
[SPEAKER_00]: What is that kid's name?

01:07:42.353 --> 01:07:44.254
[SPEAKER_00]: Drewski or Drewski?

01:07:44.454 --> 01:07:44.694
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

01:07:44.874 --> 01:07:51.878
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that dude looked like the greatest thing had ever happened to him with Cardi B decided to like, acknowledge his existence.

01:07:52.653 --> 01:07:55.836
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, she just kind of like she's like a boom.

01:07:55.876 --> 01:07:58.959
[SPEAKER_02]: He just took one.

01:07:59.480 --> 01:08:01.081
[SPEAKER_00]: My favorite my favorite one.

01:08:02.275 --> 01:08:06.998
[SPEAKER_00]: was the Don Cartagena himself, Fat Joe.

01:08:07.098 --> 01:08:11.201
[SPEAKER_00]: He can't even be called Fat Joe anymore, because he's like slim Joe.

01:08:11.842 --> 01:08:12.702
[SPEAKER_00]: That was my favorite one.

01:08:12.722 --> 01:08:20.448
[SPEAKER_00]: And I was kind of wondering, I was like, I don't remember him being a wrestling fan, but maybe he was there to support Cardi B, or maybe he is a wrestling fan, and I just don't remember.

01:08:21.569 --> 01:08:22.789
[SPEAKER_02]: I have one more for you.

01:08:24.190 --> 01:08:27.433
[SPEAKER_02]: Nikki Bella, who, after all this time,

01:08:28.388 --> 01:08:30.729
[SPEAKER_02]: The evolution plan goes up in the smoke.

01:08:31.410 --> 01:08:34.732
[SPEAKER_02]: She gets one party match tag on raw.

01:08:35.312 --> 01:08:40.816
[SPEAKER_02]: Gems injured and can't even do anything other than serve Papa John's feet.

01:08:40.856 --> 01:08:43.397
[SPEAKER_02]: That's a commercial in the summer slam bat stage.

01:08:43.617 --> 01:08:44.378
[SPEAKER_00]: She actually get her.

01:08:45.297 --> 01:08:49.940
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I think I think Piper busted her implant on a drop.

01:08:50.060 --> 01:08:54.962
[SPEAKER_02]: Gosh, I believe that is what she reported happened a couple of days ago.

01:08:55.503 --> 01:08:56.043
[SPEAKER_02]: Dang.

01:08:56.503 --> 01:08:59.965
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, so she wouldn't be able to even perform on this show anyways.

01:09:00.666 --> 01:09:07.489
[SPEAKER_02]: And the way that she was portrayed on here was just like, oh, we got, we got, we got to fight a spot for Nikki.

01:09:07.850 --> 01:09:09.831
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it was like she was like the,

01:09:10.832 --> 01:09:11.852
[SPEAKER_00]: The delivery girl.

01:09:12.312 --> 01:09:23.774
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, well, they needed somebody who wasn't a dude playing a wrestling character to be in this commercial and she knows television.

01:09:23.814 --> 01:09:28.015
[SPEAKER_02]: So she was she was she was just another wrestler on the roster.

01:09:29.175 --> 01:09:36.317
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, but she was totally fine in that moment at the same time because they don't want those partnerships.

01:09:37.258 --> 01:09:39.283
[SPEAKER_00]: to get, they want those things to be good.

01:09:39.323 --> 01:09:40.806
[SPEAKER_00]: They don't want those things to suck.

01:09:42.130 --> 01:09:45.638
[SPEAKER_02]: I hear you, the whole thing, you have just kind of like, I was thinking about like, man.

01:09:47.484 --> 01:09:48.845
[SPEAKER_02]: That kind of stuff.

01:09:48.865 --> 01:09:52.468
[SPEAKER_00]: But then, I mean, you had the new day in there and the new day are still stars.

01:09:52.508 --> 01:09:54.150
[SPEAKER_00]: They think you have what it is.

01:09:54.210 --> 01:09:55.011
[SPEAKER_02]: It's got to me.

01:09:55.271 --> 01:10:03.538
[SPEAKER_00]: The alpha cat that you had the tag team who just who the AAA tag team champions.

01:10:03.858 --> 01:10:04.879
[SPEAKER_00]: What is their names?

01:10:05.340 --> 01:10:08.202
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, the little characters.

01:10:08.442 --> 01:10:09.103
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:10:10.120 --> 01:10:10.942
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, yes.

01:10:11.162 --> 01:10:16.491
[SPEAKER_02]: Real, real, real top talent for Nicki Bell and a hobnob would.

01:10:16.852 --> 01:10:19.516
[SPEAKER_00]: But what I would I see of those partnerships is.

01:10:20.993 --> 01:10:40.305
[SPEAKER_00]: They want a lot of different faces, but you also need people who can do that stuff professionally, which is why the new day and Nikki Bella were kind of the one the main people because you know that they're gonna do a good job and they're gonna tie it together and you're gonna tell Papa John's pizza like, look, we did a good job.

01:10:40.946 --> 01:10:42.006
[SPEAKER_00]: Let's keep working together.

01:10:42.307 --> 01:10:43.467
[SPEAKER_02]: Everything about a descent.

01:10:43.888 --> 01:10:46.249
[SPEAKER_02]: I've got no issues with any of it whatsoever.

01:10:49.020 --> 01:11:07.233
[SPEAKER_02]: Nikki Bella's main role in cover plan was in a backstage get for people and that and that is like, that to me is like, yes, there is value to that, but I'm not sure that when she envisioned her coming back for this run, that this is how she thought it was good.

01:11:07.393 --> 01:11:10.095
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, if she didn't get hurt, maybe she would have been on this show who knows.

01:11:10.976 --> 01:11:11.216
[SPEAKER_00]: Who knows?

01:11:11.736 --> 01:11:12.037
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.

01:11:13.364 --> 01:11:14.725
[SPEAKER_00]: That is it from here.

01:11:15.065 --> 01:11:17.546
[SPEAKER_00]: So thanks to Jeremy for jumping on with me.

01:11:18.267 --> 01:11:29.152
[SPEAKER_00]: We wanted to support the crew, the WWE crew, and not have Scott and Keyleth feel like they had to do every single post WWE pay PLE show.

01:11:29.733 --> 01:11:35.176
[SPEAKER_00]: So that is why we jumped on today and I like split in the responsibilities here.

01:11:35.236 --> 01:11:39.038
[SPEAKER_00]: So everybody stays fresh and nobody feels like they're doing too much stuff.

01:11:39.878 --> 01:11:42.259
[SPEAKER_02]: And no, they're hot takes tomorrow for night one, too.

01:11:42.339 --> 01:11:44.120
[SPEAKER_02]: So you get to hear everything they thought about night one.

01:11:44.620 --> 01:11:44.920
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

01:11:45.021 --> 01:11:49.643
[SPEAKER_00]: And so when is the next AEW show for indoor?

01:11:50.263 --> 01:11:51.684
[SPEAKER_02]: Twenty or twenty fifth.

01:11:52.164 --> 01:11:52.304
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.

01:11:52.324 --> 01:11:54.105
[SPEAKER_00]: So that's in like a little bit over three weeks.

01:11:54.145 --> 01:11:56.286
[SPEAKER_00]: And then when's the next WWE show after summer?

01:11:56.326 --> 01:12:04.430
[SPEAKER_02]: Think that is the first weekend in December.

01:12:05.433 --> 01:12:06.953
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, maybe Clash and Paris.

01:12:07.554 --> 01:12:10.214
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that's the I know that's the next one.

01:12:11.035 --> 01:12:13.636
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I want to say it's the Monday.

01:12:13.656 --> 01:12:14.876
[SPEAKER_02]: It's the Sunday before Labor Day.

01:12:15.936 --> 01:12:17.737
[SPEAKER_00]: It is August thirty first.

01:12:19.097 --> 01:12:22.298
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, so what will that Monday will be a raw?

01:12:22.818 --> 01:12:24.579
[SPEAKER_02]: That would have doubt with their advertising.

01:12:24.659 --> 01:12:25.259
[SPEAKER_02]: I couldn't remember

01:12:25.643 --> 01:12:36.071
[SPEAKER_00]: So we'll have some opportunities with the post game live show free W. We'll see who does that and also for a clash in Paris.

01:12:36.151 --> 01:12:40.595
[SPEAKER_00]: So you may see us again, you may see some other phrases, but all right.

01:12:41.155 --> 01:12:41.936
[SPEAKER_00]: That is it from here.

01:12:42.516 --> 01:12:47.440
[SPEAKER_00]: Thanks to everybody who was hanging out with us in the chat for Jeremy.

01:12:47.620 --> 01:12:48.361
[SPEAKER_00]: I am WG.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We will see you when we see you piece out.