State of NJPW: SJTL & Tanahashi Homecoming + Spooky Gimmicks! | Speaking of Strong Style

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[SPEAKER_01]: Super Junior Tag League is down to its final day.

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[SPEAKER_01]: All the block matches are done except for the final night of action that will determine the finals and then we have the Tana-Hashi final homecoming in Gifu.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So we will be reviewing the action from the past week.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Talk a little bit about the state of wrestling and the wrestling business in Japan and look ahead to the Tana-Hashi homecoming show.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So let's just get right to it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Welcome everyone to Speaking of Strong Style.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We discuss the news, issues, and events around the New Japan Pro Wrestling.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We're contributors to the fight game media network.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Jeremy, we have had a lot of shows to watch this week in New Japan.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Did you manage to do anything else this week?

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[SPEAKER_01]: How was your week since we last talked?

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[SPEAKER_02]: Man, I had the busiest week, but before we got started, you mentioned that your partner had a birthday this past Saturday.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, man, I could tell you that there were a number of people in my life that seemed to have birthdays in October and we decided to celebrate that all throughout the week, including sushi for all my friends on Friday night, and then we went to

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[SPEAKER_02]: John Morocco, who knows the fight game podcast with Gary Gallos, it was his birthday yesterday, and we surprised him by going out to lunch and not, like, just telling him I was going, but then everyone else showed up and so we all have a big group lunch, he was expecting it, but the, uh, the confluence of why I wanted to mention this to you, Steven, is actually because of the conversation we had about three weeks ago.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And I'm going to bring that conversation up,

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[SPEAKER_02]: My ability to do technology is already.

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[SPEAKER_02]: All right.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I haven't told you that, but I'm actually going to go see Mick Foley.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, you'll I've stand up in less than three weeks just down the street for my house.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know kidding.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, so we the gang and I Garrett Miguel Rubio, I think Dave Rubio, all those guys, we are all going with our significant other, we're bringing Dave along Dave going to the show.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So.

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[SPEAKER_02]: We're all making it a thing on October 28th to go see Mick Foley do his stand up and maybe maybe I'll get ballking enough to see if he can do a comedic bit about Japanese death match.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It's a B.I.W.A.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That would be fun.

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[SPEAKER_01]: How about that?

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'll be a fun show to see.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Well, everybody he talked about, I'm prompted on the show, Steven.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Did he go into his I.W.A.

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[SPEAKER_02]: death match with Jeremy?

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[SPEAKER_02]: He had a matter of fact.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Second bit of the show was talking about his time with Cactus Jack doing the death matches in Japan and talking about his impression of Cactus of Terry Funk, a lot of Terry Funk in the story.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Then he obviously went into the hell on the cell match, but he spoke about one of the death matches that he had with Terry Funk and near the end of one of the matches they had

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[SPEAKER_02]: whispered over to foley.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Pile drive Macactus!

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[SPEAKER_02]: What?

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[SPEAKER_02]: Pile drive Macactus!

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[SPEAKER_02]: Pile drive me!

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[SPEAKER_02]: You just hear me foley.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Like, I'm full blood.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm dying here.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And he just went through the pile drive and hit to pile drive and to take it home and got us my did.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And that was that.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And then he brought back the voice of Cactus when he explained he had no idea how the two shoes ended up in the middle of the hell and the cell.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And then he recapped how he got to that point to the people that weren't there in the show.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So thank you for Nandosias for bringing up that topic.

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[SPEAKER_02]: three-week ago about cactus jack and the death matches, it all came full circle and I wanted him to personally know that I yelled sort of a bitch waiting on the full in the middle of the show decided he was going to go into the IWA death matches and everyone around me just kind of looking

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[SPEAKER_02]: back to the show.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So other highlight to that thing Dave Meltzer and friend of the show Miguel Rubio getting serinated on stage by Mick Foley for their birthday.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, my Lord.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And Miguel hoping it never happened again.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to imagine that for none of the sizes here, he's in the chat.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He says what's up, fellas?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Happy Halloween.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Of course tomorrow being Halloween and all that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And so for Nando, we're glad you're here to hear that because you've had quite the effect on the show and the people on the show lately, so there you have it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I figured the best way to practice that looks at pulling the clip from the, uh, from the episode and just like, because it was on my mind for the last three weeks, which kind of like, the IWA death matches.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Don't forget about the IWA death matches.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And then he brought it up unpronged and I was like, There we go.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So for people watching without giving too much of it away, if Mick fully comes to the town of some of our listeners and things, would you recommend the show?

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[SPEAKER_02]: It wasn't a good time.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Absolutely.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Uh, I had a fantastic time.

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[SPEAKER_02]: My wife, who...

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[SPEAKER_02]: by knowledge of being married to me.

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[SPEAKER_02]: No wrestling, has made a legitimate effort to watch total divas and find, find that avenue to kind of get in there and because she knows who McFully is, but she still found it engaging for a different reason because he's a really excellent storyteller.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And he comes in and he wearing the flan on a cactus jack shirt

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[SPEAKER_02]: and he will auction it off every night to the highest bidder and donate the proceeds to the call for our ally club.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, well that's great.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Uh, yeah, it's, uh, sorry.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We had a bit of an interrupt here.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That is, am I okay?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Are you hearing me right?

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I heard you.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I just, you, you, you went quiet.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I was like, maybe I'm sorry about that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: No, I thought I'm getting a little thing here on my computer that said maybe I wasn't.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But I just wanted to know.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You're all good.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So he, uh, he donated to the call for our alley club.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And, uh, it will San Jose and we were hoping that San Jose would show out.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And there was a bit of a bidding war and the proceeds reached $1,200.

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[SPEAKER_01]: 1200.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, for perfect.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's nice.

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[SPEAKER_01]: All right.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, good.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, folks if Mick Foley comes in in your area, go ahead and go and get tickets might have an interesting evening and there's even a Japan tie into it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So there you go.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I spent my week like you mentioned my partner had a birthday, so we celebrated that and I've been watching the World Series of course.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I got my, you know, my cubs on here, although they're not in it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It does.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, yeah, and so it's the world series.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Everybody's wearing blue.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's it's been exciting.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's been a terrific world series in the course show.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Hey, Otani is doing things that no human being Has ever done before or was considered possible before show.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Otani, so it's been fascinating watching that and I also caught the Murray gold Grand Destiny show from Sunday ran match of that

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[SPEAKER_01]: We're going to talk about that a little bit later when we talk about the overall state of the wrestling business in Japan a little bit later in the show more on that in a bit, but just had a great time watching that and that was a really nice Sunday morning.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It took place overnight here in the United States and said Sunday morning I woke up.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The show was right there and I sat down with my coffee and watched a

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[SPEAKER_01]: hell of a good wrestling show from, from Mari Gold.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So also catching some CMLL, you know, it's, breast cancer awareness month and CMLL's been featuring the women more and they have the pink ropes up in the, in the ring and some of the, with

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[SPEAKER_01]: the women they had in all women's show, a couple of them actually at Arena Mexico and overall they're just getting featured more.

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[SPEAKER_01]: A news of FWC from Start-in, Husky and Kolkoma, our touring Japan with CMLL right now and it seemed to be absolutely loving it according to their social media and the match has been pretty good and they're fantastic.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They're one of the best teams on planet Earth, male or female and they are getting used to that luchestile

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's always a bit of an adjustment at first, but they've really taken off, and then they seem to be getting over a little bit with some of the dives and jumps and the sentence and splashes seems to be working.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So good to see that Japanese influence and Mexican wrestling as well.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, don't get the day-to-day attention that WWE and AEW do doing what they can to get their wrestlers better, just quietly under the radar, you know, talent exchanges, you know, going across that's the, um, that's how this business gets better, like frankly, like that's, you know, if AEW is not going to have like,

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[SPEAKER_02]: an infrastructure for reservoirs to get better and they're not actively getting the reservoirs out to the Indies and they have to book it themselves meanwhile WWE's training is all insulated like once you're in the system you train within the system and you don't do anything otherwise.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Kind of way it's like this big open area in between where all these other promotions frankly just need to work with each other to put some salt and pepper on the seasoning for the reservoirs.

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[SPEAKER_01]: All right, Fernando has a question.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Now, it's tomorrow's Halloween.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Who's your favorite spooky gimmick wrestler ever?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Who has your favorite spooky gimmick?

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[SPEAKER_02]: It's a good one.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Well, there's nothing to do with the individual.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, but I don't think you can top the undertaker.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, he certainly the most popular.

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[SPEAKER_02]: there was spooky, you didn't say like magical or demonic, you know, any of just kind of that whole like vibe of making your skin kind of crawl.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I think there were other wrestlers that did a pretty good job.

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[SPEAKER_02]: What was the, what was the name of that, uh, I think a bit was pretty good in TNA.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I thought you was a

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[SPEAKER_02]: And iconic spooky wrestlers other than like sting in a W and W C W. And so you're talking about like down from the rafters, the crow version.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, you know, like the crow version definitely played on the mistake and just kind of this guy was being reborn from the image that he was before.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So given given the crow.

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[SPEAKER_02]: the crow allegory to it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It's definitely, you know, spookiness gives that whole story basically.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Guy died in a crow brought it back from the dead and then he has power of a crow and he has that prevent.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, you know, it's kind of there.

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[SPEAKER_02]: What about you?

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[SPEAKER_02]: Like, I'm going with the easy obvious ones, but I just, every time,

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[SPEAKER_02]: Spooky doesn't work, you know, very wide and probably better than than undertaken.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But I don't know, I don't know, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,

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[SPEAKER_01]: walking the line of saying a lot of the cult leader gimmick, cult leader stuff.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, without using the word Satan or the devil because he's a Catholic Irish guy from Boston.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And as he said, his mom would have killed them if he could come out there and just said, Satan is, you know, you grew up in Irish Catholic way from Boston, but Kevin Sullivan, as, you know, talking about Kathulu and all this stuff and all these,

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[SPEAKER_01]: random occult type of names that he would throw out in his promos against dusty roads was great stuff and then he had purple haze was Mark Lewin who's one of the Hall of Fame level wrestler for for many many years.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He had Bob Roup out there with him and woman Nancy Nancy Sullivan was fallen angel and things was out there with him.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So it was quite a group in Florida and then he brought that into

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[SPEAKER_01]: He didn't WCW.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He did it in Smoky Mountain, even.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He came out in Smoky Mountain.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So he parlayed that coat leader gimmick into a long career, but yeah, that's probably my favorite spooky thing was was Sullivan just because he was so effective against Big Dusty.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Dusty's last really good feud in Florida before Florida fizzled out.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Dusty ended up going to

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[SPEAKER_01]: thing and flat that might be wrong somebody else might say no if you did with this guy made a lot of money probably true but it's the one that I remember is the last hurrah before Ford and championship wrestling kind of physical way.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So might Hypervvy reached out via other channel of law this broadcast was going and his submission was La Parca.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The park is a terrific one.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, the day of the dead.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's that's a good one.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Sure.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You can out the GIF of a park in WCW.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Drumming steel chair and I'm like, you know what fair play to that one.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's the fact that's a good one.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I was going to sail a park there.

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[SPEAKER_01]: There are several guys that have done day of the dead type of gimmicks in Mexican wrestling history, of course, El Santanico is one but Mario had the iconic one where he was basically drifted to the Phantom and and the whole in havoc magic and stuff and he Guerrero years ago.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, but look, the park I kind of made it stick.

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[SPEAKER_01]: more than almost anybody else.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's a good one.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And Maria mentioned she also created Luna Vaishan or that character.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Luna Vaishan part of the whole Vaishan wrestling family and was a good wrestler.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And way ahead of her time, she would have fit in nowadays better than she did in her own time when there really wasn't a whole lot of female wrestling that could go at her level.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, Luna Vaishan was one that had the crazy thing go on and the, you know, all the veins painted into the side of her head and things she was kind of split free at home.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, the spooky, new Japan referee could think of the Spooky as new Japan has a really have there really been too many of them out there.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know, dokey.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Doki maybe yeah, the the one that comes to mind for me is actually somebody who as far as just It's a different than what we're talking about necessarily spooky, but just looks scary Is when we on white first came down in that big van Vader with the giant mask the blue the smoke out of the top of it and things like that You just that's one where you just looked at the guy and think the girl like we're all about to die.

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[SPEAKER_01]: This guy's gonna kill all of us

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, he was he was pretty sweet.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I have to do the butcher if you want to go out there.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, but I'll say, well, we can evil Sonata when they were an L.I.J.

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[SPEAKER_02]: do in the tax.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You weren't given.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Can you were never scary?

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[SPEAKER_01]: They were never spooky.

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[SPEAKER_02]: No, spooky.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It's not scary.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It's spooky.

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[SPEAKER_01]: No, it's not scary.

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[SPEAKER_02]: We can't now like you with the grim reaper.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I have the rest of the kingdom shows.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Nice.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The body show.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, for an enterprise, bringing up Vampiro.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Vampiro made a good career off of that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yep, they sure did.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's, that's a good example.

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[SPEAKER_02]: They did a lot of spooky and luchundered round.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You want a spooky vibe, just watch the luchundered round during Halloween.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You'll get now terrible wrestling.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It's not really good wrestling, but tongue of spooky.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Now, if you want to go really can't be, really, really can't be the, both in the Memphis territory and then later on in Smoky Mountain, two different guys, but there was the mummy.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And it was a guy, it was a guy in a mummy suit.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They brought out there with a manager.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And they had Jim Cornett and smoking out and even covered him with either talc or bathed powder.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So when he would come up and cobb the baby face to make a move of dust, he'd come up out of it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I think there was a mummy and it was based on a character of the mummy from Memphis who terrorized, I think, Jerry Gerrit and Tojie Yamamoto when they were the top baby faces out there.

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[SPEAKER_01]: and Jeff's father, Jerry, who later owned the Memphis Territory, and the mummy was a famous camp character, and then they had the monster in for the LeBelle promotion, and I think it was 1981 in Los Angeles, and they said that this is a guy who was created in a factory.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It was basically the guy's gimmick was Frankenstein's monster.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And that was his thing, and then this is why this one, the very first, here's the history of it all Jeremy, won the very first warst promotional tactic, or most disgusting promotional tactic in the Observer Awards.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The very first one was one of the first ones.

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[SPEAKER_01]: No, I think the first one was Bob Beckland still being champion, which is Asnite.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But the second one, I think, was the monster being created by little bell promotions saying that he was had been built in a lab,

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[SPEAKER_01]: built in a laboratory.

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[SPEAKER_01]: If you want to get really campy, they've gone that way.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They've gone the Frankenstein meets Wolfman type of creature feature gimmicks.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They've been a couple of those and wrestling.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I, W. H. Pan, had the leather face.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It was my cursor.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The guy who played Corporal cursor in the WWF, after his career was over, came out in a leather face with a chain saw.

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[SPEAKER_01]: There was no chain on it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But it still had the noise, you know, that random

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[SPEAKER_01]: And he would just go through and if you watch those things, he would walk through the crowd and just part of people like the Red Sea is they would just one screaming from from leather face as he would go to do his death match.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That was a one.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I may make your brain explode if I wrap this topic up, but they are kind of doing that same gimmick now in AEW.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So, well, the tempted murder every week on AEW.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Well, there is, but Luchisora was at one point Killslitch and working for Christian, and then in real life he got sick and pneumonia and he went away for a while.

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[SPEAKER_02]: His return was a video-vignette of Killslitch being

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[SPEAKER_02]: Bear, like, unearthed from the ground and Jack Perry took him to a lab and injected him with some chemicals and he came back to life and he's now with your source and Jack Perry with the mad scientist friend who brought him back to life.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And this is actually established between two different AEW paper.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's, it's, it's, I mean, I'm right in the blood.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I did, and I, it's, I don't even know what to do with that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I'm trying, who was, what was a Terry Gordys gimmick in WWE F had to do with the Undertaker and, uh, mankind, uh, where they buried the Undertaker alive, the first, the first, uh, buried alive thing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: What was that?

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[SPEAKER_01]: I was there for there was an Indianapolis.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I watched this match happen.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, that cause you didn't tell a dirt.

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[SPEAKER_01]: There's a big pile of dirt.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And they say it was tearing grody under like he was an execution.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He was just the executioner.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But he was he was the executioner's hood.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That was his mask.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And he wrestled the undertaker and they ended up bearing the undertaker alive with a I am on record with being out of wrestling during the time.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Now, yeah, you probably did, that was a good decision for you.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I have, I have tried to recover through those and watch the WrestleMania in between and they got, you know, a little later.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He was just the executioner.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's just what they called the executioner.

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[SPEAKER_01]: There it is.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He came in and he had a side, of course you did.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So Steven, she was talking about the super junior tag league.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I started it that I actually buried on wrestling with him alive.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, there's no segue to it is there.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We just got to cut right to this thing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The super junior tag team tournament here is, we're going to go over the standings and we're going to talk a little bit about it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Now, we're not going to cover this like we cover some of the other tournaments.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And we'll explain why in a little bit, what we're going to go over the standings and we're going to look at each team.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I can talk about their tournaments.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's not okay to you.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Can I preface this first, please?

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[SPEAKER_02]: OK, there are two bits of information that I'd like to point out here.

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[SPEAKER_02]: If you go to the new Japan 1972 dot com website and look at their schedule, their tip top web work right now has the last night of this tournament ending Steven on October 1, 2025.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, in addition to that Steven, not November 1, I'm going to I'm just going to like,

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[SPEAKER_02]: not even beat around the bush here.

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[SPEAKER_02]: This is the block of a block that they released today.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, and see if you notice the issue.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, here we go.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We, oh, bloody hell.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's all right.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's not, it's not correct.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's a good.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So get this thing out of here before it confuses me with the, yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So, okay.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But this is the perfect illustration of the show stand is that New Japan released on social media and on their own website for the result of the final night.

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[SPEAKER_02]: They had dokey and show listed as winning 10 point for the clean, clean, but the block.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But if you look at the actual block,

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[SPEAKER_02]: It had a yellow and master water as the one with the clean sleep.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, sure does, doesn't it?

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[SPEAKER_01]: It really does.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It really does.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But you know, they didn't even put the right dots in the right places.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And there was another one where I think Robbie Eagles picture in a match promo was replaced by evil.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It was like evil with TMDK.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's a perfect illustration, Jeremy, of how little thought

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[SPEAKER_01]: New Japan has put into the Super Junior tagly.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They're not bothering to put the correct results on their web page.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They are not bothering to put the correct pictures up on the website and this tournament as a whole was creatively lifeless and we're going to get to that we're going to get to it a minute what they decided to do incredibly to me incredibly to me.

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[SPEAKER_01]: to go with two undefeated teams in block action on the final night.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So that would have been yo and master water against Doki and show.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Now, in and of itself, that's not too bad, but the way they booked it, the second to last night of block action was literally in consequential.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The two teams had already clinched the 30 new groups.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it was good to be out of the game.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So the people that went there at night only got

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[SPEAKER_01]: matches from that block and they were only matches that didn't matter in the standings whatsoever.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's what they did to those poor people inside of city, which is an island they had been to and decades.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So they was something like since the 1990s perhaps since they had been to say to island out in Nigada.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I wonder what was it about 600 fans or something like that showed up to this thing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And what they got was a card of preview tags and block matches that literally had no bearing on the standings and wouldn't affect them.

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[SPEAKER_01]: What in the world is going on this this company didn't use to be this bad and it's just the And I think Jeremy that the B block was supposed to be the same thing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I accept you with you.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Tageyishimura is illness Accidentally made the last night intriguing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but I don't think they met too.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, the whole thing was just kind of like I suspect we were supposed to have four undefeated teams going into the final four blocks tonight to just basically show.

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[SPEAKER_02]: What does it, you know, me like you just and the minute that that board fit of just kind of everybody through the hand of like, well, there goes that one I guess we'll just go out there and have a match better and.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I wrote copy for wrestling with River Live, just as a way to get this show out, you know, just kind of a, I will give report for the, like shows that he's not watching and then they'll throw my name in our podcast on there.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And that you, and I, you were able to read off on Tuesday, and on Tuesday, I'm explaining that there are four nights of block play left or whatever, and five of the teams are already eliminated.

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[SPEAKER_02]: No.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Click there.

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[SPEAKER_02]: There was almost no tension to it because they're just wasn't.

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[SPEAKER_02]: No, they did.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Did your Matt got pulled.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Everything just seemed to be

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[SPEAKER_02]: But you're terribly inclined both behind and both behind and in front of the teams.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And hopefully, this was just kind of a a cost cutting tour to get them to the finish line, because we got a big show this weekend, and we got rest looking them.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And the ticket to paid for, you know, that money, that money there, they've been they've recouped that money.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So let's put some effort into this stuff and make sure that

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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, we'll tag, we definitely feel like this, too.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's very strange.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I have never seen, I've been watching a lot of these tournaments over the years.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, there are four every year.

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[SPEAKER_01]: There's heavyweight and junior heavyweight tournament.

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[SPEAKER_01]: There's a heavyweight and junior heavyweight tournament every year.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And well, at least in this format, since what 2018 is when Super Junior Tag League, it's stopped being a single elimination tournament, what to this format.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And my goodness, I never before have they done it where an entire night of block action means nothing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: For an antizias, it's like an East is a very pleased with these brackets.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The final four, or now in this case five, accidentally, is fairly, they're good teams and there have been some good matches, but it's just creatively lifeless at all.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And some of the guys in the tournament are doing what they can do to make their part of it interesting.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And we're going to talk about them as we go through.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then there are other guys who are working hard and trying, but the creative on this is as lazy as it gets.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I mean, this is, we talk about T-shirt New Japan.

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[SPEAKER_01]: This is T-shirt booking committee just laying down on this thing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's, it's a little rough, but I would have almost rather,

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[SPEAKER_02]: brought in a couple more DDT guys, not called this the Super Junior Tag League and made this like a a DDT festival along with like fantastic a mania where you just like have matches and maybe at the end of it like you have a tournament inside of it within these shows.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But within this it just kind of felt like you were going through the motions.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And just kind of check it off because we always do a super junior tag with you.

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[SPEAKER_02]: We got to do one this time, but no one involved had any passion for it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And they sent them through some very small towns in Negata.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, there were a couple of shows a Coracan Hall at the beginning.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The next one is in Osaka at the end.

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[SPEAKER_01]: In between were some small small towns.

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[SPEAKER_01]: There was a semi-cyatama, it's not a small town, but those that tour of Negata there went through some pretty small places.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It did seem like an afterthought for sure.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So let's bring up Block A, and we'll talk about how it went.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And let's look at each team here.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So the team now Block A is done.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That one we know who the representative is in the finals.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And it's Dokey and show.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And you know, just looking at those guys here, they had an OK tournament.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But again, they're so bogged down in the House of Torture, shenanigans.

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[SPEAKER_01]: that every one of their matches had a very flat sameness to them.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And that they were cheating of course.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It owed a bike time at the beginning, you know, you breath bump of course.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then in the end, they would whack a guy with that black mirror gimmick, which is like getting hit with a lunch tray.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And it just was that was the finish night after night after night there was just a very bland sameness to everything they did, but they're the junior heavyweight tag champions and they're in the finals and you know there were a couple of times.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Doki at one point was bullying Taguchi, when they were wrestling Taguchi and Dragon Daya, and just being a jerk to him.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And Taguchi suddenly got this angry face on, they're not even an angry face, just like, I see a higher-to-year fit kind of.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And started smacking, slapping hard, Doki across the face, and what did that bubble to the tournament?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, he just got angry and you just saw this, okay, I've been screwing around, too, but enough of you pieces of crap.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And just started getting aggressive with them.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It was so interesting.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It was like the fur, like you said, one of the highlights of the term and the crowd was like, oh, we haven't seen this before.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then they just whacked him with the Mayor and beat him.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And my note in my notebook was it was almost interesting, but this is New Japan.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And they wouldn't pull the trigger on the interesting thing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They'd just beat him with the mirror again.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And there's another example that later in the tournament, too, where Wato and Yo, they were having a decent match.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Just hit him with the black mirror and beat him.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's over and over again, they just get on the precipice of maybe doing something creative.

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[SPEAKER_01]: and they don't.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's just been the story with show and dokey.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's been okay.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They're both capable wrestlers, but in the end of bland sameness to their finishes.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I am.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I made big defender of like how the torture and I genuinely like dokey and

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[SPEAKER_02]: all that, but can't you can't defend this it will go both both blocks like can't amaro and togo and and needs to it was the same thing with different results each time here I'll do a different version of that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, okay, do we have a do we have the correct version of it that we can put up?

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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh no, there's no correct version.

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[SPEAKER_02]: There's no correct version.

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[SPEAKER_02]: There's no correct version.

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[SPEAKER_02]: There's no correct version.

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[SPEAKER_02]: No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,

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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, I don't know, Mighty.

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[SPEAKER_02]: All right, overnight over there.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So I might figure it out in the morning, but they don't care either.

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[SPEAKER_01]: All right, so the other team there was Yo and Master Watson, who had a couple of good matches in this thing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They finished second, but again, it's just another example of baby faces falling short.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I know you can't put the baby faces over all the time, but the other team's got a lot of good things.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But this was, their matches against the other teams were, okay, nothing wrong with them.

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[SPEAKER_01]: There wasn't a great match in this tournament.

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[SPEAKER_01]: There wasn't.

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[SPEAKER_01]: There were a couple of good matches.

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[SPEAKER_01]: If you were going to go and watch a night, I would say January, or January, October 29th.

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[SPEAKER_01]: was probably the best one, Koshita and Yoshiyoka versus Togo and Kanamaro, Tiger Mask and Yamato against Eagles and Fushita and then Robbie X and Ishimori against Kukai and Desperado.

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[SPEAKER_01]: If you're going to go and watch block matches from one night, that would be the one, but there's no need to really dive into any of this.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You can watch the TMD came out, you can say, like, got the back of the

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, for the most part, so again, yo and master water, they did, they did fine, but nothing interesting.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It was just a classic is that they wrestled well and fell short again.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Just we've seen it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You can do the thing where.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Doking and show, moved to master water and yo at the last night, I'm going to give a title challenge for that.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And then, you know, the other team goes to the final and one of those team wins and maybe they get a title match there and then you set up a couple of times of magic down the line for these guys.

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[SPEAKER_02]: They do any of that like it just.

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[SPEAKER_02]: They're going to be a winner and then they're going to be a match and I know that.

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[SPEAKER_02]: We have advocated in the past, sometimes you just want to win her and you just want to match, but you also want to feel compelled and invested through the journey of getting there and they have completely failed to do that here.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Everything about this tournament, I love this, I love this

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[SPEAKER_02]: But yeah, there's really no other way to put it like it wasn't bad.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It wasn't good.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It was literally just a tournament that happened.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, man, just the lack of creativity or thought put into this was was pretty surprising.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The third place team in the block was a rescape to Gucci and Dragon Dia.

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[SPEAKER_01]: a lot of comedy in their matches for the most part except for I mentioned the interesting moment they did with Taguchi getting very angry at Dokey.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I would like to see more of that like have him be that you have somebody some heel across the line with Taguchi and bring out angry Taguchi.

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[SPEAKER_01]: This used to be a thing I mentioned before on the show I mentioned it again here.

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[SPEAKER_01]: before to go she got a little bit older and all that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He used to be, you know, a Apollo 55 was a great tag team.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He used to have great matches and there was even a moment where he would goof around for the first five minutes or so.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then his matches without even anything specific happening would kind of kick into a new gear and he would start wrestling straight.

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[SPEAKER_01]: you know he's now it's a wrestling match now it is a real junior heavyweight match and you would the crowd would respond to it they would just say oh okay now it's time for the serious to go to match and they would start reacting like they do for kishita like they did for Prince Devin you know who is his partner and then later his rival

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[SPEAKER_01]: So it would just kind of kick in and you're like, okay, what we had the fun and now here comes a serious to Gucci match.

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[SPEAKER_01]: If they did something where he'll angered him to the point that he dropped the comedy and just started smoking guys and just kicking ass, you know, just like fire up, baby face, I think people will get behind that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They did it for a few seconds, the crowd did get behind it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Dragon die is a terrific athlete, I enjoy it and similar to what happened in Super Junior's singles tournament.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He mostly did jobs in 2024, and in 2025, he gets a couple of wins.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He got the D.D.

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[SPEAKER_01]: D.D.

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[SPEAKER_01]: D.T.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, his jump off the ropes D.D.T.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And they want a few matches.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And mostly against other guys that had a member there to do jobs.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But nevertheless, overall, OK, again, to go to you a little bit much with some of the comedy.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I thought it was, again, the sameness of it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: There was a lot of the same spots.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And it was OK, decent showing for them, but not that I'm aching to see them as a team going forward.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Although I would like to see more Dragon Day.

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[SPEAKER_02]: That that was the takeaway for me is like that is cast on to Gucci.

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[SPEAKER_02]: They're always going to have them kind of in that role where he teaches like that he's a real killer in the ring, but he's not, but he's not going to like be that way permanently.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Kind of like for a yano in a lot of ways.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Um, Dragon Daya, that kid's got something, but I don't know if

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[SPEAKER_02]: If New Japan is willing to invest in him, beyond what, like, is what DDT, right?

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[SPEAKER_02]: I think Dragon game.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And then Dragon game, I was one of the two that I was going to, and it just, he clearly counted.

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[SPEAKER_02]: He fit in really well with the junior there, but at best, he's just an ambassador from another promotion that's having good matches that,

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[SPEAKER_02]: Honestly, I'm not sure anyone's going to take seriously in these competitive tournament style.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, he's just a guy to have good matches.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And I hope for more from him, because the promotion needs exciting like fire starter in all divisions.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And he has potential to have some really electric matches single match with Kochi Fujida for Desparado.

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[SPEAKER_02]: with Doki, like he's got a young baby face energy to him.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So doing that match, like a single match with Doki, while Doki is the, you know, the experience veteran is really great formula, and I hope that they get there at some point.

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[SPEAKER_01]: On four points, Templario and Jacob Austin young, the remnants of what left of United Empire.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We had a little bit of Calum Newman who's pretty good on commentary.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Funny guy, actually, an enjoyable listen to on that, but Calum Newman, somebody who says he wants to lead United Empire, finally, we have somebody who wants to lead it who knows.

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[SPEAKER_01]: There are angles to come on that, I feel strongly about, but for now we're looking at the smoldering remains of United Empire, Templario's fantastic.

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[SPEAKER_01]: one of the, one of the best workers out there.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Jacob, he asked Niana, Austin, Young's a talented guy, but he was here to do the jobs.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They scored four points.

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[SPEAKER_01]: For the most part, when they featured Tempilario, it was really good, because that guy is just fantastic.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He adapts to strong style as well as or better than most,

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[SPEAKER_01]: He and T-Ton, they get it, they just understand that you can do certain elements of Luchely-Bray in strong style and bring that into it and get the welfare factor with it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm a big fan of his.

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[SPEAKER_01]: A Jacob Austin Young terrific young wrestler, but not pushed and he was most of their to do jobs, they didn't find four points.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Temporals, a fantastic addition to United Empire.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But they're a point where I'm like, why are you here?

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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, he doesn't feel like he thinks other than he was the right place, the right time, and they needed a guy, and they got him.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But still to this day, him in the United Empire just feels like he was an add-on.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And so when you have guys like him,

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[SPEAKER_02]: And Jacob often young who are both not original member, it's not even close to original member.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Good.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Your strength is based on with these two guys and great O'Con and Call of Numer to the only one that are healthy and we haven't seen him already yet and all this stuff who are really hard to take you and I did an empire seriously in this tournament.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, like they're such a cold faction

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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know, man.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I looked at them and I was like, I hope Templar has good matches just like you said.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I think Jacob Austin Young has opportunity to really grow and wrestle a bunch of different variety wrestlers.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But nothing about it was setting my world on fire.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You know what I mean?

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[SPEAKER_02]: Like, Templar elevated the tournament, but he didn't gain change.

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[UNKNOWN]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_01]: After that, we had two points to roll out the Hashi and geto, more entertaining than they had a right to be.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think on this one now, geto's just, he's an older guy.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He's not physically capable of doing things like Tik Tok, it's still wrestle really well into his 50s.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Geto, you know, body's been beaten up a little bit, and he gets by on.

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[SPEAKER_01]: mostly doing, you know, the widely veteran spots, you know, sneaking things around the referee and doing underhanded stuff and a little bit of comedy, not as wacky as Taguchi, but he and Haromu came up with some interesting things to do over here, but

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[SPEAKER_01]: Again, they were never supposed to be contenders.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It was just supposed to be a little bit of fun in their matches before usually ghetto ended up getting beat.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But the fun of it was seeing how they got along.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It was something like a very, very different work rates at sense, but like Despo Watto, like would these two actually make it through the tournament without turning on each other?

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[SPEAKER_01]: And they ended up getting along, okay.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And what do you think the chances are that herumone ghetto is a long-term pairing?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, very small.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know what they have in mind for ghetto.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think there's, I honestly believe they are waiting to see who stays and who goes before they decide to do anything with the much with the wardogs.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They're in wait and see mode to decide if there are wardogs or how many wardogs they have.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I feel like they are honestly in a holding pattern with this affiliated, unaffiliated alliance, just to give them maybe a place to land or someone to team with should suddenly they all disappear at the beginning of the year.

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[SPEAKER_02]: If they truly shake things up in New Japan and factions and everything, like bigger than we've had in years, come in 2020, said, could you as possibility?

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[SPEAKER_02]: I would love for there to be an evil Haromu, and I love to be for him to be somehow associated with ghetto, because I enjoyed this pairing more than I thought I would, and I think I would enjoy evil Haromu tremendously at this stage of this career.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, yeah, he'll aroma might be a good idea.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I would not be against it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not even against a heel shingo, by the way.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think that he could be a little bit nastier and a little bit more aggressive.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think it would be a good idea.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I think all the guys that have been around for years turning them heel because they're watching the New Japan change from what like they're familiar with is that story.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yep, there you go.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Clark Connors and Dikeyne guy now these are two really really good wrestlers, but in the guy is still considered young lionish or young lion adjacent and he's not going to get a whole lot of victories to this point.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They didn't get a win in the tournament.

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[SPEAKER_01]: their good wrestlers though they I mean their action in their matches was was better than most and I think the guy is going to be a real talented guy like he's already one of the best promos in the whole company counters is talented we don't know if he's sticking around he's gotten wheeled son over of course that yoke a home attire that he brings into the ring and they found ways to use that most of the matches but no certainly no bare boot for the buck

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[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe it is, but yeah, that was, I remember watching this and my girl was with me and she just kind of said, why is there a car tire and the infrared ring site?

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I had to explain to her the whole idea they were doing a show in Yoka Hama, so they brought out a Yoka Hama tire to get a pop from the crowd.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And it got over and it stayed over, so they still have the tire, wheel's on, but

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know what?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Again, we're just in a holding pattern with these guys.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We don't know what we're going to do with them.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And it's too early for a dieting a guy.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think if they do this young lion cup that is starting to be mentioned in post-match comments by the various young lions, I think the guy will be a contender for that.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But they were for sure.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, he and he and probably Marashima, but that's still the calm and hasn't been announced.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But in the meantime, he's still going to be paying his dues.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I think wheels on is more over them.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Some of the people on the tour, which, uh, yeah, on that one, but also good job by court, Connor.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, he's been working on that thing since freaking the middle of the summertime and, you know,

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[SPEAKER_02]: They were a fine team, I think the idea of these odd couples losing a bunch of matches because they're just not used to each other and again, these more well-low machines.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It's probably the way to go with these.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So, you know, Connor can deny and hurt Romo and ghetto, both like being on the back end in the bracket.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Being katana sense, I got no issues with that.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I think better day to head for

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[SPEAKER_02]: really free-edible.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Honestly.

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[SPEAKER_01]: All right, so that's Block A. Doki and Cheryl, the winners of Block A.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So going over to Block B.

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[SPEAKER_01]: This one was also supposed to be a two-horse race.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We believe right there.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But there was a flu bug that went around the New Japan locker room and it got Tijishi Mori.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And he had to forfeit a match.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He's teaming with Robbie X. Forfeit a match against, yeah, well, I believe that was what, Koshita.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And you, you Kiyoshioka.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So with that, that put Koshita and Yoshiyoka in mathematically in the tournament, probably a little bit more than they were going to be.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But the leaders into the clubhouse here, we're going into the final night of action.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Robin Eagles and Kosei Fujita, you mentioned that they're the MVP's of the tournament.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You're absolutely right.

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[SPEAKER_01]: This is the best team in New Japan right now.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I love watching these two.

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[SPEAKER_01]: There are smooth assault together.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm a big fan of this

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[SPEAKER_01]: Junior Heavyweight Tag Team and TMDK, they have a lot of energy, a lot of enthusiasts and they've been a bright spot and otherwise pretty bland tournament.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, the young hot rocking rock and roll baby face, like team and they're playing the roll perfectly, because they won't last year.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't feel like ultimately this is going to work out for them to be to end up with the

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[SPEAKER_02]: could be surprised.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You never know.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I think they're really trying to play up house of torture around the exact moment.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So I don't rule out anything regarding those titles, but they seem like the favorite to me to advance to the B-block.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And if they do, I think they have a good shot of winning

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then after that, we have Taiji Ishimoori and Robbie X, like I mentioned, they're on six, and we think they were supposed to be on eight, but this is supposed to be that two horse race.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And of course, Robbie X has been featured, they do that anyway, when there is a guest and a new Japan stalwart, they usually have the guest.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Featured more, just to kind of get them over and get them over with the crowd.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So this would have happened anyway, but then Ishimoori was also sick.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So Robbie really had to pick it up.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And yeah, absolutely how to baby faith finish.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He definitely does.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, they're going to be executed or baby fake off the top row and not a heal manoeuvre.

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[SPEAKER_02]: If you're a baby fake team, you all you you definitely finish that move.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He had to do a lot of work anyway, though, because Ishimori was one sick and two, they were working on getting him across to the fans.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He has stepped up to me every time I've seen him, I think he has brought it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think he is a talented guy.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think he shows a lot of interesting intensity.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I would like to see more of Robbie X. Ishimori is one of the greats in junior heavyweight.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So this is a fun team to watch.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They're good.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Again, we didn't have any great matches.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It just wasn't that kind of tournament.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But the action in the issue more eX matches was always solid.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not ruling out the team winning the B-block.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know why, but if you were to somehow delay food gen Eagle getting a shot at Dokey and show, I haven't been able to open the Super Junior tag league and then then looking the title and then they like go to a four way or something to try and get a title shot at

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[SPEAKER_02]: I wouldn't be surprised.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It would be indicative of just how much effort they put into the tournament.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, so it does feel like if you're more in Robbie and we're supposed to win that one match and then it was supposed to be two undefeated team was going forward.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And that's the case, you know, it's kind of a kind of a 50-50, right?

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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, like it could be either team.

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[SPEAKER_01]: agree with you that I think we're seeing that the teams that either have eight points or we're supposed to have eight points are probably the four teams in that four way at the dome, which they haven't announced yet, but they seem to always do that the four corners junior heavyweight tag match.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think they're doing anything clever with this division at all.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, it doesn't even matter all that much.

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[SPEAKER_01]: What's the thing?

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then the title match afterwards because I feel like all these teams are going to be in a big pot in the end anyway.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm January.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, this is just content to fill time and I got no issue with that in pro wrestling But basically what the weekly business model is in North America But there are times where just become so egregious that you're like, come on guys And we're trying to make us think that you're trying come help me.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, just a little bit Come help me the other team that's involved here mathematically is Kushita and Yuki Yoshiyoka now

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[SPEAKER_01]: Ukiyoshioka, new to New Japan, I think, I don't know, I don't have this down, but I think this is an inch of Max Spot, probably that he was going to be the one that team with Koshita, probably, but either way, Ukiyoshioka's talented guy, he looks good, they've worked hard to make him look good.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Koshita,

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, considering he's in his mid 40s, still moves very, very well, a very smart worker, good at using the submission holes in a junior heavyweight way that it doesn't bog down the match.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And so, because she did a very smart worker.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So they've been fine.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Again, they're accidentally kind of on six points in mathematically in this people leave.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And, but you she, you Kiyoshioka, another guy that seems to drag and die a lot.

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[SPEAKER_01]: over there in Dragon Gate from what we've heard, and I can see what people like about him.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I can see why they brought him in, and considering this is a division that could use an injection in New Talent, if we saw more of him and say, Super Junior's next year as a guest, I'd be in.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'd like to see this guy wrestle more.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I believe that if Kushita, any Yuki Yoshiyaka,

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[SPEAKER_02]: And then Teiji, she Mori and Robbie asks defeat Robbie Ego can cocae Fujia, then we are in a statistical three way time.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, so then everybody will have a win in that kind of round rob any way.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And they don't really want to do that because they're looking at an easy tiebreaker because each one of them have a window for each other.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, because one, two, three kind of thing.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So, a kind of leads me to think that if the eagle can food it up, but you can still have Kishita and Yoshiyaka lose that last night and have no bearing on the final.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then it comes down to the last match anyway.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and Kishita and Yoshiyaka are facing desperate on a kukai.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And I don't see death brought away because we've got the last time to return to it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And that could be the way they get them, again, out of it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, Desperado, Kukai, by the way, have been fine.

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[SPEAKER_01]: This has been a very unremarkable run for both of them.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It just feels like we're getting second gear versions of it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I think Kukai, I did for Kukai, but I have not seen anything that's said, it's like, wow, this guy.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I haven't either and not that he's bad, not that he's bad, but there isn't anything that's like signing them up, but we're as there were things I saw there are things I saw with Doki when he came in with Suzuki Yun, where I just thought, oh, there's something with this with there's something here and if Kukai

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I agree with you.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The kukai just hasn't gotten to that point yet.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Nothing wrong with them, but there isn't anything that's that's a wild factor.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Look, if you have Death Browdon, Doki, both giving you a vote of confidence, you come over here and do this thing.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm just going to take some time to like grow into the role, but unfortunately, he's not a day one.

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[SPEAKER_02]: God, it all figured out.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Other guys haven't been either and have blasted and it totally fine.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, but that's the reality.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The other team on two points is kind of Maro and Dictogo, and there's nothing really to say here.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They're the guys that are doing the jobs as far as house torture ghosts and Stokie and show or running rift shot.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And so kind of Maro and Togo are here to kind of take the losses.

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[SPEAKER_01]: There's really nothing else to say about this one except.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Considering Dictogo's age, dude still wrestles fairly well for a guy in the 50s.

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[SPEAKER_02]: a very clever name for their team.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, we're not going to do that right now.

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[SPEAKER_02]: What?

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[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: She's all right.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Just because Yoshinobu County, Maro, citric with the out of a bottle and the other guy's name is Dick Togo.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We don't have to call him whiskey, Dick, do we?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Thank you.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And my mom listens to this.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm sorry.

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[SPEAKER_01]: All right.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Anyway, she always clicks the like button, bless her heart.

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[SPEAKER_01]: There you go.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Thank you, Mom, and come out of it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I know, she's awesome.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then we have, we mentioned this product.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We've got on zero points, Tiger Mask and Yamato.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yamato has one thing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: that has kind of taken me a little bit, which is a suplex thing where you see he hooks the guy in for the suplex and announces that he is going to do a suplex and never quite does it and never quite works out.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's almost like the Fooking and Death thing where she tries to get the run.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know if the person didn't stick their foot up for Fooking and Death for her to run into it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know if Fooking and Death would know what to do when she charged in.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But similar to this with Yamato, it's like some day he might actually hit the suplex, it's probably going to get a pop.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He kind of did.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And what was a match against Eagles and Fujida?

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[SPEAKER_01]: He kind of hit it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: If you think you wasn't in the town of Hachi showed the weekend?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe so.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe that's when he'll do it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But Yoshiyoka, who was his quote unquote given the high fly flow by town of Hachi,

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[SPEAKER_01]: at a show did indeed hit the high fly flow.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So that one got a little bit of a pop here that was against Togo and kind of Maru to beat House of Tortures.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, that's the one, you know, Yamato is doing a lot of comedy there, Tiger Mask, so not much left of Yamazaki in there, as far as the work goes.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So we're we're in the flow right into the event that even the horse is tired.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I think that's a good way to put it and he's just not going to be able to do a whole lot in the ring right now, but I'm sure he's still but everything I've heard he's still a valuable resource behind the scenes there, but he's just not the wrestler he used to be who is.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I had a funny thought when you were talking about casheating a yuki and you're like, oh, mind a bit ninja Mac right there.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It's like, what if tiger mask and ninja Mac?

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[SPEAKER_02]: We're supposed to be the team and then we could have had all these fun names like tiger Mac or ninja mask or tiger tiger ninja tiger ninja tiger or ninja tiger.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, like all of these names could have got a t-shirt.

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[SPEAKER_02]: in Jategor on it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: That would have pulled a lot of money.

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[SPEAKER_02]: New Japan's the Ninja Tiger.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We're gonna solve it, yeah, let's solve it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: All right, well there you go.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We'll see how it goes.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We have one more night of block action and let's go over the possibilities there.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like you mentioned, there is a way we can get a three-way tie, but the week ahead Saturday November 1st, this is that the Eddie Ann Arena professional gymnasium.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So Eddie Ann Arena is one of the big buildings in Osaka, but and we'll also where they have had grand sumo there, but this show is going to be in the pre-fessional gym.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, you'll know when you see it, it's just a big gymnasium with basketball goals in the background and all that stuff that holds a couple thousand in the same complex, but not in the big room tiger mask in Yamato versus kind of our own toe go that's the one that mathematically is not important.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Kukai and Desperado against Yoshioka and Kusheeta again, Yoshioka and Kusheeta theoretically can win this match.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then if Ishimori and X win the main event against Eagles and Fujido, we would have ourselves a three-way tie.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You and I both believe that's not the aim here.

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[SPEAKER_01]: the three-way tie.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So our guess, our guess is the kukai and desparado beats Yoshiyoka and kushita and then we go into the main event essentially as the semi-finals.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Whoever wins this thing moves on to face, show and doki in geifu.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you know, the only thing they could do that would be different than other years would be to have Doki and show went out and just, you know, cheat to win obviously and then shoot their own shot so to speak, you know, that would be they would pick their own opponents and then you would have to do some kind of angle to get.

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[SPEAKER_01]: actual opponents and challengers in there got only knows who they would pick.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe they would pick Kanamaro and Diktogo, you know, as kind of a thinker polka doom opponents, and then threaten the idea that there isn't even going to be a legit match and then maybe pull an angle to get out of it or whatever.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's the only thing I could think of that would be, you know.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean, that's what we're staring down the barrel of though, if the winner of the main event doesn't beat him, if issue more in X win and they get a title shot coming out of it, fine, if Eagles and Fusher to win and get a title shot coming out of it, fine, we all think that this is going to end up in some big schmaz Tokyo dome with multiple teams to get people in the card, because that's what they do almost every year.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Hey, um, real quick.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, we were given a reminder by the fearless leader that one Jeff Hawking.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, Paul Fontaine are recording a dynamite rewind show, uh, interesting one.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Interesting week in dynamite history.

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[SPEAKER_02]: That is going to premiere on this channel that you're watching right now at 5 p.m. Pacific.

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[SPEAKER_02]: The dynamite show that they're going to be rewinding is when Shaquille O'Neal, ruckling an attack match, and mysteriously vanished in an ambulance.

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[SPEAKER_02]: haven't hasn't been seen since except on ESPN now, I guess, is where inside the NBA is so it was the most battling disappearance in wrestling war that I could think of in the last five years.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Last five, yeah, I was going to say there have been some battling different disappearances, but

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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, I thought over your bank and I thought that you qualify that with the five years.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Like, yeah, a lot of the last five years.

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[SPEAKER_01]: A lot of the mysterious disappearances can be explained if you take a trip by catering.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And there's somebody who's just kind of sitting around there and like, why aren't they using you?

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.

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[SPEAKER_02]: The only other mysterious disappearances that I could think of that we're on and on a plane.

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[SPEAKER_02]: We're Matt Riddle and Nick Nemeth from New Japan Pro Wrestling in 2020.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The Matt Riddleman was pretty well explained he lost his X-ray Virginia walked out as never heard from again after sitting on a YouTube show or with one of New Japan's championship belts talking about how much cocaine he did super.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, the super career, super career athlete.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Not a dipshit, again.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Your mother is listening.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I know I just donated to the retired wrestler's fund, but for Matt Riddle, what other word would do?

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, you know, again.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Good thing.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So, take out that show, and actually, in addition to that,

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[SPEAKER_02]: You are not going to be here two weeks.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Great.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And I have tapped one Paul Fontaine to give his thoughts about New Japan pro wrestling the week before we get to preview the world tag link together.

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[SPEAKER_00]: All right, there you have that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: All right, so let's keep a look at this week ahead here.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We got the Saturday I mentioned in Osaka.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's going to be the three turn to match.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's all we got so far.

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[SPEAKER_01]: K-fade kids, we don't have the rest of the card yet.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I checked just before we went on the air.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then Sunday, November 12th or 12th.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Second, good grief.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Sunday, November 2nd.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And Gifu, this is the Tonahashi homecoming.

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[SPEAKER_01]: This is in a gymnasium that is part of this big sports complex.

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[SPEAKER_01]: There's like a trek and field stadium and a soccer stadium next to it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And this little dome here where Tonahashi is from.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And of course, we know now Jeremy also Udo ice, a Gifu native, went to the same middle school apparently and hasn't gotten over it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But the Gifu Tonahashi homecoming on Sunday, November 2nd.

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[SPEAKER_01]: three matches announced so far that that's that's it again.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We have not announced the undergrad really, but we will have the Super Junior Tag League Finals show and dokey versus the B-block winner global championship.

01:01:04.555 --> 01:01:11.646
[SPEAKER_01]: Yoda Suji versus Hiroshi Tanahashi, and then the world heavyweight title match.

01:01:11.626 --> 01:01:16.896
[SPEAKER_01]: can also get to catch the versus heroically godo, that's for the IWGP world heavyweight title.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't see them switching up the world heavyweight title here, quite yet Jeremy, I think that doesn't make a whole lot of sense as much as we all love godo, but as far as the global title goes, I'm not

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[SPEAKER_01]: We're not running it out or something that Tana has she doesn't put himself over for it's idle.

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[SPEAKER_01]: One more time before he exits the stage, you can never discount Tana has she putting himself over here.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Or any other time for that matter.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, this is said, this one feels like what he might win.

01:01:52.606 --> 01:02:02.558
[SPEAKER_01]: I still think it's probably probably sushi, but I don't know, in his hometown for the global title, you can't really

01:02:02.960 --> 01:02:14.293
[SPEAKER_02]: I think it's, I think the conculation prize is getting to keep Tana Hachi a challenge for a Black title in a hometown, rather than him winning the title.

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[SPEAKER_02]: For the last time in his hometown because, look, pull the string here.

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[SPEAKER_02]: If Tana Hachi wins, that means whoever wrestling his wrestling opponent is now potentially wrestling for a title.

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[SPEAKER_02]: restful kingdom.

01:02:32.053 --> 01:02:37.478
[SPEAKER_02]: If that's the case, that person is probably wrestling more than one match for the company.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Does that happen?

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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm not necessarily sure.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm inclined to believe that Tonahashi just loses this match because the other reason is, I'm not sure who to cash a restless if it's not Suji.

01:02:51.872 --> 01:02:56.136
[SPEAKER_02]: And to get sure it shouldn't be wrestling Suji if Suji loses a match before

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you're right.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And there's a lot to that where, you know, Suji beats Tanahashi, probably a handshake, a little show of respect, Tanahashi gets the long goodbye, hugging everybody and wiping his sweat on everybody's towels.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then you then you have the world heavyweight title match.

01:03:13.657 --> 01:03:16.741
[SPEAKER_01]: And then the guy who won the big match before comes up to challenge.

01:03:16.781 --> 01:03:18.063
[SPEAKER_01]: It's all very new Japani.

01:03:18.424 --> 01:03:22.309
[SPEAKER_02]: Look, if you, if you think about what video pack you could do, they're going to do.

01:03:22.289 --> 01:03:33.750
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, for Russell kingdom, it's going to be, you know, two paths colliding, Yoda, Fuji, and Takeshina, where they both had different paths to get to the top and get to the main event match.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Fuji, like, fought his way through the entirety of the New Japan roster.

01:03:38.699 --> 01:03:41.985
[SPEAKER_02]: Takeshina did it the same way, but she won, but he disappeared afterward.

01:03:42.387 --> 01:03:55.879
[SPEAKER_02]: So if you're going to do a video package where you have sushi beating one of the old garden his match and you have to cash it up eating one of the old garden and his match and it's kind of like these are your gatekeeper for the big main event that you got.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It makes all the sense from the world.

01:03:58.481 --> 01:04:02.785
[SPEAKER_02]: Suji's all made it by Tonahashi to cash his all made it by godo.

01:04:03.165 --> 01:04:12.293
[SPEAKER_02]: These two supposedly biggest stars in New Japan business are good then going to meet in the semi-maid because

01:04:13.842 --> 01:04:17.548
[SPEAKER_01]: All right, so there you go, that'll be in Yee Fulimai, so we don't have the rest of the card.

01:04:17.568 --> 01:04:21.195
[SPEAKER_02]: We just don't get no we between November 1st and November 2nd.

01:04:21.255 --> 01:04:24.681
[SPEAKER_02]: We almost have one full card, but you know, would you have to have such matches.

01:04:25.743 --> 01:04:34.618
[SPEAKER_02]: Honestly, there's not a whole lot more to talk about other than I think you wanted to talk about some other stuff outside of NutriPan right.

01:04:35.257 --> 01:04:38.142
[SPEAKER_01]: The business has been down and we've talked about that a lot.

01:04:38.363 --> 01:04:45.636
[SPEAKER_01]: Of course, you know, they just drew 5,372 for King of Pro Wrestling, which is the lowest attended KLPW ever.

01:04:46.458 --> 01:04:56.195
[SPEAKER_01]: And over a thousand less than they drew for Secretary Genesis in the same building earlier this year, there's been a lot of, you know, we've been down on this tournament.

01:04:56.215 --> 01:04:58.159
[SPEAKER_01]: It's been a lower,

01:04:58.932 --> 01:05:02.636
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, it's been an ad not a flow for New Japan lately.

01:05:02.656 --> 01:05:08.922
[SPEAKER_01]: We've been hurting a little bit, and the USDA guys said a certain someone may want his white belt back.

01:05:09.042 --> 01:05:11.985
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh God, we'll have to see how that turns out.

01:05:12.526 --> 01:05:17.611
[SPEAKER_01]: But as I look at this, of course, New Japan is going through a rough time.

01:05:18.572 --> 01:05:19.893
[SPEAKER_01]: Objectively, business is down.

01:05:20.194 --> 01:05:20.614
[SPEAKER_01]: It's hurting.

01:05:20.734 --> 01:05:26.340
[SPEAKER_01]: We're seeing 15 to 20% for the most part, year over year down.

01:05:28.717 --> 01:05:37.231
[SPEAKER_01]: what I have seen the rest of this month is a little bit encouraging if New Japan can write the ship creatively.

01:05:37.311 --> 01:05:38.273
[SPEAKER_01]: Here's what I mean, Jeremy.

01:05:39.655 --> 01:05:42.459
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think people are moving away from pro wrestling in Japan.

01:05:42.499 --> 01:05:44.022
[SPEAKER_01]: I just think they're moving away from New Japan.

01:05:45.264 --> 01:05:50.893
[SPEAKER_01]: We have a rare opportunity to compare apples to mostly apples this month.

01:05:51.852 --> 01:06:21.066
[SPEAKER_01]: In October, three different companies, four different companies really, ran big shows at Rio Goco Cucucucucucucucucucucucucucucucucucucucucucucucucucucucucucucucucucucucucucucucucucucucucucucucucucucucucucucucucucucucucucucucucucucucucucucucucucucucucucucucucucucucucucucucucucucucucucucucucucucucucucucucucucucucucucucucucucucucucucucucucucucucucucucucucucucucucucucucucucucucucucucucucucucucucucucucucucucucucucucucucucucucucucucucucucucucucucucucucucucucucucucucucucucucucucucucucucucucucucucuc

01:06:21.653 --> 01:06:23.697
[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe 45 maybe.

01:06:23.717 --> 01:06:27.765
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, they didn't have an enormous set blocking off a lot of the seats and things.

01:06:27.986 --> 01:06:34.819
[SPEAKER_01]: So I would say 45 or something like that and not let's go for a thousand, but not much bigger than that.

01:06:35.879 --> 01:06:42.109
[SPEAKER_01]: Pro Wrestling Noah, which is not up radically year over year, but has a little bit of energy to it.

01:06:42.149 --> 01:06:44.393
[SPEAKER_01]: Ran is show a sumo haul that drew 3,617.

01:06:44.433 --> 01:06:46.356
[SPEAKER_01]: Not bad.

01:06:47.117 --> 01:06:50.803
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, for Noah, it's certainly, you know, that's a strong crowd from Noah.

01:06:50.823 --> 01:06:56.031
[SPEAKER_01]: 3,617 with Kenta and Kitamiya on top.

01:06:57.378 --> 01:07:03.512
[SPEAKER_01]: Then Mari Gold last week put on this wonderful show that I watched on paper view on wrestling universe.

01:07:04.114 --> 01:07:05.918
[SPEAKER_01]: Every single match had something interesting.

01:07:06.038 --> 01:07:07.963
[SPEAKER_01]: Some of them were absolutely blowaway matches.

01:07:08.424 --> 01:07:12.754
[SPEAKER_01]: All three of the top matches were outstanding.

01:07:12.734 --> 01:07:13.676
[SPEAKER_01]: E.O.

01:07:13.696 --> 01:07:15.119
[SPEAKER_01]: Sharifers is my U.E.

01:07:15.139 --> 01:07:15.981
[SPEAKER_01]: with Tony, E.O.

01:07:16.001 --> 01:07:18.687
[SPEAKER_01]: Sky, that match was as good as you would think.

01:07:18.848 --> 01:07:22.997
[SPEAKER_01]: Emotional, athletic, absolutely brilliant from two of the very best in the world.

01:07:23.157 --> 01:07:30.574
[SPEAKER_01]: My Sakurai and Victoria Yuzuki had a terrific one that summons Victoria Yuzuki is one of the rising stars of the company.

01:07:30.554 --> 01:07:37.448
[SPEAKER_01]: And then Natami Haishista put over Mikuano, who had won the Dream Star Grand Prix in a terrific red belt match.

01:07:37.508 --> 01:07:45.144
[SPEAKER_01]: So she is now the world champion of Mari Gold, Victoria Yuzuki being the United National Champion.

01:07:45.645 --> 01:07:47.549
[SPEAKER_01]: It was a terrific tag team title match.

01:07:47.569 --> 01:07:50.335
[SPEAKER_01]: We're Chiyaki and Matsui,

01:07:50.315 --> 01:08:16.930
[SPEAKER_01]: uh... and just up and down this thanks a re and she could go to the even had uh... jammy out of no fee saw megaton uh... against menorous Suzuki her surprise opponent was uh... menorous Suzuki and uh... they did a fun comedy match that i really enjoyed basically where uh... megaton's savilly uh... tapped out gave up uh... before she could take the gacha pile driver so he got her up for the gacha pile driver she taps and didn't get to put her on her no no no no

01:08:16.910 --> 01:08:24.120
[SPEAKER_01]: Ben, Ben, he just chased her out of the ringside area and the whole thing was heard just being absolutely petrified of Minora Suzuki isn't a mystery upon him.

01:08:25.262 --> 01:08:31.471
[SPEAKER_01]: Really strong show Jeremy that drew, now get the number right here, according to them, 3,450.

01:08:32.813 --> 01:08:40.504
[SPEAKER_01]: So Marigold drew almost as much as Noah and in the same ballpark as the others, really, very competitive.

01:08:41.834 --> 01:08:45.019
[SPEAKER_01]: start them actually oddly laid low this month.

01:08:45.039 --> 01:08:57.477
[SPEAKER_01]: They ran three different new blood shows, which are there ones for you up in coming talent and the younger people, the rookies and things like that, those younger person shows.

01:08:57.757 --> 01:09:04.507
[SPEAKER_01]: They ran one corrican hall with a tag team title match on top that was good, and it was good, and then mostly house shows.

01:09:04.567 --> 01:09:08.533
[SPEAKER_01]: They just kind of laid back and let everybody else have their big shows this month.

01:09:08.513 --> 01:09:10.158
[SPEAKER_01]: They have big stuff.

01:09:10.178 --> 01:09:11.561
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, they have big stuff coming up.

01:09:11.601 --> 01:09:16.816
[SPEAKER_01]: They've got a major one with mobile Watson, Abe, and Siyah Kamatani coming up in early November.

01:09:17.117 --> 01:09:21.308
[SPEAKER_01]: And then, of course, their big show, uh, dream quaintem is going to be in December.

01:09:21.845 --> 01:09:22.666
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.

01:09:22.686 --> 01:09:28.751
[SPEAKER_01]: But looking at the state of the business, Noah, again, it's not a blockbuster number.

01:09:28.771 --> 01:09:31.314
[SPEAKER_01]: They're not up like 20% or, you know, all that kind of stuff.

01:09:31.334 --> 01:09:35.698
[SPEAKER_01]: But up and those shows feel like they have more energy than they used to Noah.

01:09:36.639 --> 01:09:40.843
[SPEAKER_01]: Some of the stuff of those Iowa and, and, you know, team 2000s, it's good.

01:09:41.443 --> 01:09:50.772
[SPEAKER_01]: Mario Gold, one of the best shows they've done and a clear success,

01:09:51.410 --> 01:10:04.771
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, to Kuma Roja was there in the back, Micah and Hamica, I two of us big start them to wrestlers were there in the back, Jungle Keyona, all backstage for this thing, it was almost like a little summer.

01:10:04.791 --> 01:10:12.703
[SPEAKER_01]: And of course, because the Super Show had been there, Julia had had dinner with my Saka Rai and Rossi Ogawa earlier in the week.

01:10:12.743 --> 01:10:18.632
[SPEAKER_01]: And it was just a very positive experience for everybody right there with a big crowd.

01:10:18.612 --> 01:10:22.056
[SPEAKER_01]: So I feel like there are still a lot of wrestling fans.

01:10:22.076 --> 01:10:29.566
[SPEAKER_01]: They're just kind of drifting away from this rather lazily booked era of New Japan right now.

01:10:29.626 --> 01:10:34.752
[SPEAKER_01]: We're again, there aren't any baby faces to get behind and all the things we've talked about over and over again on here.

01:10:35.373 --> 01:10:39.759
[SPEAKER_01]: The good news is they don't seem to be drifting away from wrestling, which means you can get them back.

01:10:40.460 --> 01:10:42.642
[SPEAKER_01]: If you fix things, they're still there.

01:10:42.782 --> 01:10:47.168
[SPEAKER_01]: And I think they're just kind of similar to what we saw with WWE where

01:10:47.148 --> 01:10:57.942
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, they were with AEW and I'm not saying that they've all gone away, although, you know, AEW's down, but as soon as WWE quote unquote, got good with the bloodline angle, things that came flooding back.

01:10:58.022 --> 01:11:00.646
[SPEAKER_01]: You just, I think there are still wrestling fans in Japan.

01:11:01.447 --> 01:11:07.975
[SPEAKER_01]: New Japan just can change direction and get them back because really the only company that's slumping right now.

01:11:07.955 --> 01:11:23.252
[SPEAKER_01]: is New Japan, even all Japan had to show without a triple crown title match, Kento Miyahara kept his, but without a triple crown title match on it, that did almost as many as what New Japan's been doing this week throughout Nigada.

01:11:23.352 --> 01:11:29.439
[SPEAKER_01]: So, you know, their numbers and New Japan's How Show numbers fairly, fairly even there.

01:11:29.459 --> 01:11:32.342
[SPEAKER_01]: It just seems like the only company that's really in a slump round.

01:11:32.491 --> 01:11:34.437
[SPEAKER_01]: And I think that has to do with the creative direction.

01:11:34.998 --> 01:11:36.442
[SPEAKER_01]: And hopefully they can turn that around.

01:11:36.543 --> 01:11:40.655
[SPEAKER_01]: But I think fans just waiting for them to get quote unquote good again.

01:11:40.996 --> 01:11:43.784
[SPEAKER_01]: And we'll see if that comes up after the dome.

01:11:44.365 --> 01:11:47.715
[SPEAKER_02]: I hope so I think I don't think they're the only.

01:11:48.202 --> 01:11:49.885
[SPEAKER_02]: bigger promotion with that problem.

01:11:49.925 --> 01:11:53.410
[SPEAKER_02]: I think WWE and AEW are also kind of suffering from that.

01:11:53.790 --> 01:11:54.772
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, I'm talking about Japan.

01:11:54.812 --> 01:11:55.733
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm talking about, I know.

01:11:55.753 --> 01:12:07.151
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm saying like there's a greater sentiment in pro wrestling in general where you have all of the promotions and they have so much content coming at you.

01:12:07.571 --> 01:12:10.716
[SPEAKER_02]: In Japan, there is still a ton of content coming at you.

01:12:10.696 --> 01:12:13.660
[SPEAKER_02]: in America, there's a ton of content coming at you.

01:12:14.161 --> 01:12:18.527
[SPEAKER_02]: Even in Mexico with AAA and CMLL, there's all this content.

01:12:19.688 --> 01:12:28.240
[SPEAKER_02]: The problem with all this content is that for the most hurt right now, it's just okay.

01:12:29.021 --> 01:12:39.015
[SPEAKER_02]: It's not great stuff across the board, and so when you're inundated with tongues and tongues

01:12:39.535 --> 01:12:44.903
[SPEAKER_02]: You get overwhelmed and you get burned out easier and you're like, I need to take a step back here.

01:12:45.343 --> 01:12:48.748
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, this is too much and I can't take it all in.

01:12:48.788 --> 01:12:59.122
[SPEAKER_02]: It's not, I'm not getting out of it what I want and that's the cost of so much product getting flooded into all of these markets.

01:12:59.623 --> 01:13:03.488
[SPEAKER_02]: So the solution is not more product.

01:13:03.829 --> 01:13:08.175
[SPEAKER_02]: It is to tighten down the product that you as a company are offering.

01:13:08.155 --> 01:13:18.805
[SPEAKER_02]: getting the creative back on track, establishing wrestlers with connections to the audience to get them out again, and that is for every promotion.

01:13:19.506 --> 01:13:20.667
[SPEAKER_02]: Start-up is doing that.

01:13:21.067 --> 01:13:22.348
[SPEAKER_02]: Marigold is doing that.

01:13:22.829 --> 01:13:24.731
[SPEAKER_02]: Noah has talent that's doing that.

01:13:25.812 --> 01:13:36.762
[SPEAKER_02]: Newtment, getting there, but they are woefully behind everyone else in finding that catalyst to energize the crowd.

01:13:37.788 --> 01:14:03.492
[SPEAKER_01]: Or allowing someone to do it, which we're hoping to see here very soon, just just pick and get some get behind somebody give a car and go over like the umbrella, but I had a larger point to make now that's fine, I mean there it's I really feel like it's a new Japan creative issue right now and maybe a little bit of morale because it just seems like the guys are in second year and don't really want to get out of it and I said that becomes that self-fulfilling.

01:14:03.893 --> 01:14:16.949
[SPEAKER_01]: prophecy where morale is down, so they kind of move through their matches, the crowds see that, the crowds stop coming, crowds are down, the guys morale goes down, they start moving through their mat, you know, it becomes a spiral.

01:14:16.969 --> 01:14:21.314
[SPEAKER_01]: And we're just, we're just seeing this kind of moping through things going on.

01:14:21.334 --> 01:14:24.298
[SPEAKER_02]: I hope they're having a top promotion in a territory.

01:14:24.667 --> 01:14:33.906
[SPEAKER_02]: Recreate that create a spike to become competitive when it's clear that the competition is not doing the job for them.

01:14:36.791 --> 01:14:45.088
[SPEAKER_02]: The competition should get you better at like coming out creative and angles and all the stuff and it just feels like

01:14:45.473 --> 01:15:02.307
[SPEAKER_02]: they're moving to the beat of their own drum almost and they're not being challenged in the business place other than the recession, which allows them to create and excuse that be wise and urgency.

01:15:02.688 --> 01:15:03.369
[SPEAKER_02]: You know what I mean?

01:15:03.409 --> 01:15:04.191
[SPEAKER_02]: Like,

01:15:04.677 --> 01:15:18.811
[SPEAKER_02]: Because the recession that's happening to everyone, it's not that bad if long as we get through it, rather than maybe we can create something here and people will still want to spend their money, but we're not willing to take that chance.

01:15:19.752 --> 01:15:24.297
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, the recession is happening to everybody, but the tenants drops are not.

01:15:24.877 --> 01:15:26.159
[SPEAKER_01]: The earnings drops are not.

01:15:26.179 --> 01:15:28.301
[SPEAKER_01]: And so that's what that philosophy kind of falls apart.

01:15:29.482 --> 01:15:34.347
[SPEAKER_01]: And I think it'll help getting the Tana Hashie story

01:15:34.850 --> 01:15:52.829
[SPEAKER_01]: I think that'll help, but until they decide to let the fans believe in somebody who's actually going to be there for a while, when they had a go-to, there was a go-to bump for those four months or so that he held the championship, crowds were up, crowds were actually up.

01:15:53.149 --> 01:16:01.077
[SPEAKER_01]: And I know that he wanted to go do the movie and they should let him do the movie and that's going to be a good long-term and things he didn't like to try to offer that though.

01:16:01.495 --> 01:16:17.016
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know, and it's, you wonder if he should have, but the, the, the go to bump was something, but as soon as, you know, he, he, he lost and then it just fizzled and you're just seeing a whole bunch of baby faces who can't get the job done.

01:16:17.477 --> 01:16:27.030
[SPEAKER_01]: And people just, that's not the kind of thing that's going to make people shell out their money to go and see and support these guys if they're just going to be failed over and over again.

01:16:27.010 --> 01:16:30.700
[SPEAKER_02]: They do this traditional business, whether like, oh, this guy is going to be leaving.

01:16:30.740 --> 01:16:32.244
[SPEAKER_02]: He may potentially have an injury.

01:16:32.765 --> 01:16:39.101
[SPEAKER_02]: Let's take the belt off of him and then we'll do this franticial thing, with that scapegoat junior going to Keshia.

01:16:40.144 --> 01:16:41.848
[SPEAKER_02]: What if they had done this instead?

01:16:43.292 --> 01:16:44.074
[SPEAKER_02]: What if?

01:16:45.202 --> 01:16:46.687
[SPEAKER_02]: Goto has the title.

01:16:47.028 --> 01:16:49.336
[SPEAKER_02]: Go through the G1 with the title.

01:16:49.817 --> 01:16:54.151
[SPEAKER_02]: Ed is the title champion, Newt Break that he's off to film a movie.

01:16:54.914 --> 01:16:56.660
[SPEAKER_02]: He's a big, walkbuster man.

01:16:56.680 --> 01:16:57.743
[SPEAKER_02]: Ed is the champion.

01:16:58.010 --> 01:16:58.831
[SPEAKER_02]: He's away.

01:16:58.851 --> 01:17:00.153
[SPEAKER_02]: He comes back.

01:17:00.173 --> 01:17:01.315
[SPEAKER_02]: He's still a bit star.

01:17:01.375 --> 01:17:10.610
[SPEAKER_02]: He's the movie star now that it filmed like the huge role with the bunch of WWE stars and all this other thing comes back as the champion.

01:17:10.991 --> 01:17:14.636
[SPEAKER_02]: You have your guy like right there.

01:17:15.598 --> 01:17:15.698
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

01:17:15.678 --> 01:17:16.620
[SPEAKER_01]: I agree with you.

01:17:17.020 --> 01:17:18.263
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think they needed to take it off.

01:17:18.283 --> 01:17:19.846
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think the idea.

01:17:19.866 --> 01:17:22.992
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think they needed to quote unquote injure him and send him away.

01:17:23.392 --> 01:17:27.740
[SPEAKER_01]: I think just saying our world champion has been selected to be in a big time.

01:17:27.781 --> 01:17:30.165
[SPEAKER_01]: How he would movie isn't that freaking awesome, everybody.

01:17:30.245 --> 01:17:33.471
[SPEAKER_01]: He's going to be gone for a little while, but we can't wait till he gets back.

01:17:33.591 --> 01:17:35.795
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you didn't need to break his momentum.

01:17:36.377 --> 01:17:38.260
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I just don't know.

01:17:39.033 --> 01:17:40.359
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm with the nightcast.

01:17:40.902 --> 01:17:41.946
[SPEAKER_02]: We are where we are.

01:17:42.207 --> 01:17:42.670
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

01:17:42.690 --> 01:17:47.592
[SPEAKER_02]: But there are things that you can look back and say, maybe you shouldn't have done that.

01:17:49.276 --> 01:17:50.638
[SPEAKER_01]: Hopefully we have our heroes soon.

01:17:50.739 --> 01:17:51.400
[SPEAKER_01]: All right, Jeremy.

01:17:51.420 --> 01:17:53.383
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, you know, there's not a whole lot more to say.

01:17:53.664 --> 01:17:56.088
[SPEAKER_01]: But we only have two shows coming up this week.

01:17:56.549 --> 01:18:00.035
[SPEAKER_01]: The Saturday show in the Sunday show nothing in the middle of the week there.

01:18:00.976 --> 01:18:04.222
[SPEAKER_01]: There is a November fourth show like a tradition thing.

01:18:04.282 --> 01:18:05.645
[SPEAKER_01]: It's a, but that's right.

01:18:05.665 --> 01:18:07.027
[SPEAKER_01]: You maybe 10 room.

01:18:07.087 --> 01:18:07.869
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's 10 room.

01:18:07.889 --> 01:18:10.573
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that's what it is in the 10 year retirement anniversary.

01:18:10.593 --> 01:18:14.440
[SPEAKER_02]: We're celebrating the 10 year anniversary of his retirement.

01:18:16.951 --> 01:18:17.432
[SPEAKER_02]: Can't wait.

01:18:17.953 --> 01:18:23.302
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and of course literally the show on November 4th, I was like, Oh, we took a paper for you.

01:18:23.883 --> 01:18:27.510
[SPEAKER_01]: It's not a paper view, and it's also not listed on the schedule of New Japan shows.

01:18:27.550 --> 01:18:37.508
[SPEAKER_02]: So you see where this kind of lands on the on the scale of the game advertised on the world and yeah, however world throughout the entirety of the week.

01:18:37.977 --> 01:18:44.105
[SPEAKER_02]: did not put up any listing for the Super Junior Tag League matches before they happened.

01:18:44.125 --> 01:18:48.590
[SPEAKER_02]: Basically, if you were looking and wondering if that match was happening, you would have to look elsewhere.

01:18:49.071 --> 01:18:53.816
[SPEAKER_02]: Otherwise, once the show of broadcasts, the link would pop up for you to check out that show.

01:18:54.077 --> 01:18:55.559
[SPEAKER_02]: Which has not happened in the past.

01:18:55.699 --> 01:19:03.208
[SPEAKER_02]: Usually at the top, there's a runner of all the of all the shows that are upcoming, but this time it was just the shows after this tour.

01:19:03.492 --> 01:19:04.914
[SPEAKER_01]: It's been a weird week, hasn't it?

01:19:05.134 --> 01:19:10.362
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, it's just such a strange week in New Japan with that kind of stuff, this kind of errors that don't usually make and all that stuff.

01:19:10.382 --> 01:19:12.224
[SPEAKER_01]: And the other thing I noticed Jeremy was odd.

01:19:13.586 --> 01:19:20.696
[SPEAKER_01]: Two nights in Corican Hall, Chris Charlton calling the action by himself with a wrestler coming in and sitting in on commentary.

01:19:21.117 --> 01:19:27.846
[SPEAKER_01]: And then I'm just wondering if the walkers there after that have been Corican, but after.

01:19:29.159 --> 01:19:46.555
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't want to I don't want to I don't want to run that back, but you could apply those same theories to this.

01:19:47.056 --> 01:19:48.018
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, they're doing it on the cheap.

01:19:48.680 --> 01:19:48.940
[SPEAKER_00]: That's right.

01:19:49.915 --> 01:19:50.316
[SPEAKER_01]: All right.

01:19:50.376 --> 01:19:52.499
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, with that in mind, we will come back next Thursday.

01:19:52.519 --> 01:19:58.527
[SPEAKER_01]: We're going to talk about the town of Hashi homecoming, a couple of big title matches, and maybe some more information about the dome, right?

01:19:58.567 --> 01:19:59.328
[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe perhaps.

01:19:59.488 --> 01:20:08.501
[SPEAKER_02]: Maybe there's no way that they can't do the town of Hashi retirement like celebration and not have a retirement match like announced.

01:20:08.521 --> 01:20:11.265
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, from what we talked about last week,

01:20:11.684 --> 01:20:38.012
[SPEAKER_02]: They're absolutely nothing new, uh, regarding who ton of hot sheets of opponent could be think of weight radio silence among everyone and everything, which honestly comes to me like a good thing, you know, like there was definitely chatter and that chatter, basically, got shut up real quick after like some of the conversations that were happening on Thursday and Friday, like the fight folks

01:20:37.992 --> 01:20:39.435
[SPEAKER_02]: all the channels got locked down.

01:20:39.575 --> 01:20:56.946
[SPEAKER_02]: So that to me says that there might be a little bit more fire to the smoke, but either way, there's no way that we can have this big show on a Sunday and not at least have a good chunk of these matches from the top down ready to go.

01:20:57.871 --> 01:21:02.860
[SPEAKER_01]: Whatever happens, we'll be here to talk about it and analyze it and bring you up to date on.

01:21:02.960 --> 01:21:03.822
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yeah.

01:21:03.842 --> 01:21:08.971
[SPEAKER_01]: I want to thank everybody that joined us here, Maria and Fernando, USVA guy, glad you were with us.

01:21:09.632 --> 01:21:18.208
[SPEAKER_01]: And I'd imagine that Colin, who's normally here, probably recovering from Brendan Rogers getting sacked at Celtic, his arch rival team, so.

01:21:18.188 --> 01:21:25.628
[SPEAKER_01]: There's a big controversial firing as on on the Celtic and so that was a big week there for the Scottish Premier League.

01:21:25.648 --> 01:21:27.092
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm sure Collins just recovery from that.

01:21:27.132 --> 01:21:28.616
[SPEAKER_01]: Hopefully it'll be back with us very soon.

01:21:28.656 --> 01:21:30.882
[SPEAKER_01]: So he got winning the world period, Steven.

01:21:31.790 --> 01:21:38.518
[SPEAKER_01]: I, you know, two games left in the thing is Yamamoto's pitching game six, and he's out.

01:21:39.018 --> 01:21:47.949
[SPEAKER_01]: He is absolutely lights out, but winning two games in Toronto is a big ask, especially with a shaky bullpen.

01:21:48.529 --> 01:21:54.096
[SPEAKER_01]: I think that the blue jays can get one of them, but don't put anything past, Shoei Otani in the Dodgers.

01:21:54.236 --> 01:21:58.081
[SPEAKER_02]: But there are a lot of of that Tom in the Toronto area right now.

01:21:58.121 --> 01:21:59.282
[SPEAKER_02]: I feel like.

01:21:59.262 --> 01:22:07.261
[SPEAKER_02]: that 18 and in game took more out of the Dodgers than we thought, and it is a war of attrition.

01:22:07.381 --> 01:22:08.865
[SPEAKER_02]: And then what else?

01:22:08.885 --> 01:22:11.972
[SPEAKER_02]: There's something else else can ask you, oh, are you going to wear anything for Halloween tomorrow?

01:22:12.914 --> 01:22:16.179
[SPEAKER_01]: No, nothing special we are handing out a lot of candy.

01:22:16.199 --> 01:22:17.521
[SPEAKER_01]: We've got a lot of kids in the neighborhood.

01:22:17.541 --> 01:22:18.883
[SPEAKER_01]: So there's going to be a lot of candy handed out.

01:22:18.903 --> 01:22:20.606
[SPEAKER_01]: We're going to have a little treat for the adults as well.

01:22:20.646 --> 01:22:38.033
[SPEAKER_01]: So, you know, but as far as a big costume goes, no, we're not to not doing the big dress up this year, although I, I have a day of the dead style skeleton onesie for a party that I might drag out the drag out for this one, maybe I might wear this to work tomorrow.

01:22:38.274 --> 01:22:38.955
[SPEAKER_02]: My store.

01:22:39.035 --> 01:22:41.098
[SPEAKER_02]: Tell me because.

01:22:41.281 --> 01:22:53.299
[SPEAKER_02]: I work in a front facing store that kind of requires me to be able to have my hands feet accessible and I feel like wearing a helmet is the proper compromise to me not.

01:22:53.701 --> 01:22:59.149
[SPEAKER_02]: being completely uncovered by a costume that would drive me mad when I'm just trying to do my job.

01:22:59.770 --> 01:23:00.552
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah.

01:23:00.572 --> 01:23:01.814
[SPEAKER_01]: Those get warm quick, too.

01:23:01.854 --> 01:23:02.154
[SPEAKER_01]: Don't they?

01:23:02.174 --> 01:23:03.636
[SPEAKER_01]: Those, those, those, those, those suits and things.

01:23:04.097 --> 01:23:05.079
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, that's tough.

01:23:05.099 --> 01:23:08.885
[SPEAKER_02]: So I have, I have a bunch of different helmets because I made giant nerd.

01:23:08.925 --> 01:23:10.607
[SPEAKER_02]: There you go, fan of the opera.

01:23:10.768 --> 01:23:12.530
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, for Nando's going to be the fan of the opera.

01:23:12.550 --> 01:23:12.751
[SPEAKER_02]: Nice.

01:23:13.352 --> 01:23:17.218
[SPEAKER_02]: I thought you're going to be Tony Shimody at first, but a fan of the opera, all right.

01:23:17.238 --> 01:23:18.780
[SPEAKER_01]: The fan of the opera is a good one.

01:23:19.013 --> 01:23:22.538
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, maybe I'll dig out one of my lucha masks and wear that out here.

01:23:22.558 --> 01:23:23.239
[SPEAKER_02]: There you go.

01:23:23.259 --> 01:23:23.980
[SPEAKER_01]: There you go.

01:23:24.020 --> 01:23:24.701
[SPEAKER_01]: Not the boochie one.

01:23:24.721 --> 01:23:25.862
[SPEAKER_01]: This one's a collector's item.

01:23:25.882 --> 01:23:27.665
[SPEAKER_01]: We're keeping that, keeping that one safe.

01:23:27.685 --> 01:23:28.466
[SPEAKER_02]: Breath, bean.

01:23:28.646 --> 01:23:29.127
[SPEAKER_01]: That's right.

01:23:29.788 --> 01:23:30.128
[SPEAKER_01]: All right.

01:23:30.148 --> 01:23:30.809
[SPEAKER_01]: That's out of here, buddy.

01:23:31.250 --> 01:23:34.014
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, with that in mind, I want to say thank you to everybody who watches live.

01:23:34.054 --> 01:23:39.661
[SPEAKER_01]: Everybody who listens to us here on the YouTube channel, or I as a podcast later, we thank you very much for your time.

01:23:39.741 --> 01:23:42.185
[SPEAKER_01]: And we'll be back next week, which I'm finally fine-stone.

01:23:42.285 --> 01:23:43.046
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm Stephen Conway.

01:23:43.086 --> 01:23:44.448
[SPEAKER_01]: This has been Speaking of Strong Style.

01:23:44.688 --> 01:23:46.050
[SPEAKER_01]: And we'll talk to you again real soon.