Should AEW Sign The New Day? WWE Roster Cuts & Backlash Predictions | Takedown

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[SPEAKER_00]: All right, Paul and I are back on take down to talk about the latest, which is Cut's cuts and more cuts since the last time we talked.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We'll talk a little bit more about if we believe AEW would be interested in some of the folks.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We'll talk about kind of the TKO strategy from what it sounds like, other WWE wrestlers were asked to take pay cuts and it sounds like one or more actually did.

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[SPEAKER_01]: uh... will preview back lash in all of that good stuff so before we get going how are you doing this evening i'm doing alright uh... yeah been uh... still uh... catching up and uh... you know trying to keep on top of the news while trying to watch everything in order is it's weird i'm watching people wrestle that i know don't work for the company more stuff like that so it's kind of weird and then even you know i'm more or less caught up in a w i just have

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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, and interestingly enough, I am back to being caught on on the stuff that I watch.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Obviously, I don't watch nearly as much as you, but I'm caught up because I was going to do a show with John the Rock on Sunday night.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We were doing a makeup show because our schedules have been a little off and he just, he was like,

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[SPEAKER_00]: we did we had to take the kids to do a recital and it was too late the kids are going crazy and so we just decided the kids were less minute.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know what it was like to have young children oh yeah yeah so yeah so I've had some thoughts on we were going to have a conversation about kind of what we're talking about tonight on that show so I'll save those thoughts for this show

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[SPEAKER_00]: And you and I are actually going to be working the rare Sunday morning wrestling observer radio show this weekend.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, I cleared it with my wife and yeah, we don't really.

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[SPEAKER_01]: She's going to do something with her mother, but it's going to be later in the day.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, I'll be free and clear.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Good.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Cool.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We'll talk.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We're going to talk UFC on that show.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm sure.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, here's the thing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Will you also have watched backlash by the time we talk?

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[SPEAKER_00]: I can't imagine I will have, but I'll probably

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So, uh, so we'll be back this weekend as well.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So let's kick this thing off.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I guess the story is really new day.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And we had heard that, um, I guess from what has been presented now, I know Kofi has posted, Austin Creators posted, the story was that they were asked

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[SPEAKER_00]: they decided to not take that pay cut.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then here's where it kind of gets murky.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Either, deputy was like, okay, then we're cutting you or they said we would rather be cut or they both were kind of like at the same time thinking the same thing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Whatever it may be, the new day is no longer on the WWE roster.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And that's kind of, you know, from a longevity standpoint.

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[SPEAKER_00]: you're talking about a team that was put together, that was a act that really, really worked at certain times in their iteration.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There were other times where it didn't work and then they had to kind of reinvent them and Biggie also being part of that act was part of the success.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But what do you think about those guys being on the chopping block?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, I mean, I was shocked just, you know, for the simple fact that I, you know, they just kind of felt like lifers, although I'm not sure that that term, you know, how much it even applies anymore.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like I, I know that, I'm sure there are some people for whom it does.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I guess, you know, I would have thought that new day would be, would be part of that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, I mean, there's some people that, you know, I can't see ever leaving.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, and, you know, but, but again, like I'm not going to pretend like I wasn't shocked.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, that said like in hindsight now, when you look back and you hear about this and you look at some of the other people and you look at what they were doing with the new day for the last, you know, really, I mean the last year, but honestly could even go back to when Biggie got hurt, like, you know, they tried the heel turn, um, and you know, they didn't really, it worked really well in the moment, but they didn't really follow up.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's very well with it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think Xavier got hurt, so that may have affected things.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They stuck them with Grayson Waller, which I guess they were trying to get him over, but it wasn't a good fit at all, and I don't know, wow anybody ever thought that would be a good fit.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And you know, and here we are, and I assume he, you know, they said the new day was kind of assumed he's still there, but I haven't seen his name on any list, I kind of surprised at that to be honest with you.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm a, you know, I was a big grease and wallet guy, but I'm, you know, just kind of when they give up on somebody, I kind of.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And that's kind of where we are with that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So the heat is on said, I believe they were given from Friday till Monday to decide what they want to do, rumor from Saps that they're making above 5 million a year.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Wow.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think that number is right, by the way.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Not saying that sad maybe combined.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The combined, I could see that and if they, you know what, and if it's time, it does, and if that, but if they, if that is the case, and I mean, COVID is a former World Champion.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So, and usually when you resign, you don't take a pay cut.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So, I mean, if they were, let's say they were making 5 million combined and the end again, I don't know.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not going to question sap sources.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, that is a lot of money for guys at that level and I could easily see WWE looking and saying, well, we don't want to cut them because we like them and we kind of like them to stick around forever, but we also don't want to pay them to an half million dollars a year each, so maybe we'll have some take a pay cut and see what they say.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I think educated guesses on what their payroll is and they don't have too many folks in that five and above range just from a salary person right yeah I would be super duper surprised if

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[SPEAKER_01]: I can't imagine they're making a five combined, but total.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, they gave Kevin Owens more than that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And Kevin Owens is a bigger star than either of them, but at one time, Kofi was a bigger star than Kevin Owens.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know that Xavier ever was.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think what it comes down

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[SPEAKER_00]: If you are in the middle class, you are probably on the chopping block.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I'll get to kind of the TK, what I think the TKO strategy is in a second.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But like you said, I wasn't surprised either because it seemed like those that type of talent just recently renewed.

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[SPEAKER_00]: not on television in any big way, and looking at how WWE books the men's tag team division, they don't seem to find any value in that division.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I wasn't surprised, but at the same time, I could say the thing that I'm surprised about is,

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[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe the old, the old adage of how AEW was created where Vince was like, you know, we left the door open and that's why they exist.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I, this is not one of those talents where I'm like, oh, man, new days going to go to AEW and they're just going to wreck shop and they're going to create, you know, ratings are going to go up left to right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: However, they are a team with a tremendous amount.

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[SPEAKER_00]: of popularity and notoriety.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like they have just been on their television forever.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And similar to now, Christian was over there before Adam Copeland was, but had Adam Copeland and Christian kind of come over together

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[SPEAKER_00]: while still having been with the company for a long period of time, they probably would have met at least Adam Covalin meant a lot.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not saying he didn't Christian.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think they wanted to mean a lot, but maybe he didn't mean as much as they wanted.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But the new day together, they can get one of those reactions on a paper view where you create that moment where people are like, oh my gosh, I can't believe it even though we all know it's going to happen.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's going to be one of those things where Andrew Zarian tweets out the day of the paper view like a sunrise or something like the start of a new day.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And we're all going to know and yet it's still going to be a really fantastic moment.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think some of that is just because those guys are so damn likable.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They're an easy to root for.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know where they came from.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know their story.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They had that podcast for a little while, which they should actually rekindle a little bit.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so I think if booked correctly and if Tony Khan sees them in at the same level as like a young bucks or something, I think they could actually be a pretty entertaining act.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Now if he doesn't,

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[SPEAKER_00]: then I don't even know if he should sign them.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, because I think you can only bring them in and bring them in as a main event tag team for it to work.

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[SPEAKER_00]: If you don't see them at that level, and you're like, yeah, they're kind of like in the middle, then I wouldn't even bring them in.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, so I don't disagree with anything that you just said.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The only thing I would say is two things.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Number one, while I agree that it would be a great moment

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[SPEAKER_01]: I wonder what it would be after that great moment is done.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They are not young.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think even in their prime, they weren't at the level of the top tag teams in a W right now in terms of inring.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, not to say that they, I mean, in terms of popularity, they definitely are like, you know, and worldwide, they're probably more popular than any team in a W with the possible exception of the young books and Christian engage, maybe, um, uh, or Christian cope.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, the other thing is, if you bring a team like that in older guys,

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, I think they're both in their 40s, and you push them at to the top of the card or to the top of the tag team division, what does that tell the other teams that you already have under contract like who.

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[SPEAKER_01]: like anybody, like, you know, like, I know she's, and I know you don't like this team, but, you know, the swirl, for instance.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Now, I'm not gonna say, like the swirl, probably their upside is nowhere near what the new day would ever be.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But I'm sure that the swirl, it's one example, and I could probably come up with 10 other things.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe a better example might be someone like Gioe.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Sure, Gioe, Gioe, you know, like the Grizzly Young Vets,

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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, they might be a worse example than the swirls.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The rascals, um, the rascals, the guns, the guns is probably a perfect one because we know, we kind of know what Tony Khan thinks of the guns, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, they're a former tag team champions and they're young guys that he's developed and this is this is kind of my bigger point.

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[SPEAKER_01]: what is the key to success in a W?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Is it to work your way up the card and get over and have good matches on the lower card and hope that you get brought up?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Or is it to become a star in the other company and wait for your contract to run up?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Because it seems like it's I think it's I think it's both

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I would say it's arguable that the guns will can get over on AEW television because I think they are they are they are a WWE style tag to you true.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They are all about, you know, shortcuts to get heat and then, you know, interference or whatever.

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[SPEAKER_01]: What about a team like a Kyle O'Reilly and Rodney strong instance?

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, like they're part of the world, I mean, those guys are work court.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Those guys are work horses, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: But some little little guy work horses, which is a good act for AW from work rate standpoint.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But they're also never going to be near the top of the card.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Kyle O'Reilly had a great opportunity against John Moxley, Beat John Moxley, and then unfortunately for him got hurt, and then

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[SPEAKER_00]: But they thought compared to the 20 thought he was a main event or he would have brought him back at that level and he was like, no, he's going to go right back into the to the trios.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So are the new day a team that you would build your division around?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Or are they just a team that you would bring in for a feud with the young bucks that you know that a lot of your hardcore fans really want to see.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And what, and my question is like, I know that there's a lot of AW fans that want to see the new day come in to face some of the teams that are in AW, but I don't think you're creating any new fans with that, are you bringing over fans from WWE that want to see the new day against those other teams and I don't think you are.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think WWE fans are going to jump over to you because the new day is going to face some new teams.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe I'm wrong, but I don't, I'm not surprised.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I would be surprised.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You and I were in Dallas for WrestleMania 32.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The new day came out for their match.

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[SPEAKER_00]: with a giant cereal box and they spilled out of the box like cereal.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think that's how long that's what I said you and I were okay.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's how long these guys have been around right.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, I mean, we're all ready around for a while before that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I remember when I went to that show one of the one of the big things that me and my son were excited about as probably like, you know, this year, you know, maybe get to do the Oprah strut was doing the

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's the new day.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, it is.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And chanting along with Big E, you know, when he would do the intro, absolutely looking forward to.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And do you remember who danced with those guys after that mattress over?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Was it Sasha?

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[SPEAKER_00]: It was Stone Cold Steve Austin.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, John Mike, oh, yeah, you know, I just saw that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It was on the WWE's greatest moments on Annie.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I don't know why I forgot about that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, then they got stunned by Stone Cold.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Which I'm sure is like I throw their lives to answer your question.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Do you book the tag team division around them?

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think you do.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think you do that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But what I do think you do,

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[SPEAKER_00]: is you create the interest around the idea of, I mean, the AEW's built on the idea of dream matches, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Now does it do AEW fans buy the idea that the young bucks in the new day is a dream match?

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not quite sure.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think so.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I actually do think so.

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[SPEAKER_00]: do new day fans by the idea that them versus the young bucks is a dream match.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's the one I'm not sure if that's the one I'm not sure if that's the one I'm not sure if that's the one I'm not sure if that's that's that's what you have to see because again AEW the idea of oh we can see these matches that we we never thought we'd see but also.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Aren't you kind of interested to see if the new day can really hang with some of these other chemists?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Am I?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Is they been wrestling?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, they've been wrestling a WWE style for so long.

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[SPEAKER_00]: that I wonder if push comes to shove these guys are a little bit like okay like we have to raise our game here for going to compete with these guys with with these other teams.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They've wrestled FTR in the past.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know how much they've wrestled at Copeland and Christian separately.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think they have it all and it may be not at all.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think there, if you read Kofi's Instagram post, I'm kind of of the idea that he goes, okay, you know, we may have been sitting pretty, maybe we lost the eye the tiger, and this is an opportunity for us to prove it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And maybe the other thing about this is, they may be you.

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[SPEAKER_00]: completely fine, money-wise.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So that the actually the whole contract thing may not be that big of a driver for them, but let's, it's certainly got the impression from Kofi's Instagram post.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It was more about the lack of, it was about the disrespect as opposed to the actual money.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, you know, and especially given that they just signed a year ago, um, I so, uh, personally I'm not interested, like I don't, I haven't been interested in the new day in a really long time.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like I, I'm not saying like they're, they're entertaining.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I enjoy watching them.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I enjoy seeing them on my television in terms of like an actual match involving them.

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[SPEAKER_01]: a heel new day was going to be facing a baby face team that biggie might be managing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, like something like that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's kind of where I thought that angle was going.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's the last time I was interested before that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We're probably going back to before Biggie's injury before I was really invested in the new day.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So that's me.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And but I will also say, like, I'm not interested in Christian and Cope either, but clearly a lot of people are and and I think it's worked.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not going to pretend that it hasn't worked.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, you know, and people are really jazzed up about, you know, coping cage against FTR against the box.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But that said, like, I think every single one of those people that's excited about that would be buying whatever paper that show is going to be on anyways.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I don't think it's actually bringing in new business for for AW.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think it is providing a platform for these guys to work and

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[SPEAKER_01]: prove that they still got it, you know, but that, you know, like I, but I don't, but I also think it's at the detriment of the development of some of their other talent because when you, you look, we go rewind back about a month and a half leading into dynasty, sorry, not dynasty revolution.

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[SPEAKER_01]: AW is on a roll like they're creative like the TDs were great.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That paperview is pretty awesome.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And if you look at it, it was mostly homegrown AW talent.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then we get Jericho back.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We get a coping cage back.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We get lastly back.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We get Benjamin back.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We get MVP back.

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[SPEAKER_01]: all of a sudden you've got all these older guys at the top of the card and those younger guys that were kind of pushing things or not even necessarily younger but AW originals they're not around.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, make a swirl of hangman.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Some of the other younger people that you're not even thinking of.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And that's where I like I think I don't know if it's going to cause a problem in his locker room because I think that those talents really like working there and they're making really good money and I don't think they care necessarily where they are in the card.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know as long as they're getting paid and Tony doesn't cut them and he's never going to cut anybody so but as a fan.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's hard for me to get invested in young talent in a W when I know that, oh, they're just going to get surpassed by whatever guys WW cut that Tony thinks is better than they are.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And you know what, it's like the Yankees or, you know, the the the Lakers, you know, like, they're just going to go out and sign whoever's available and, you know, and we'll figure it out when they get here.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Those are also two of the most popular teams in their sport for that for that reason right and a I don't think the fans the fans believe That those teams are always going to be in the mix for the best players and it's always had this idea and it's weird how now like WWE used to be the Yankees

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[SPEAKER_01]: And now they're like turning into like I don't know like the rays well actually the Yankees aren't up in the Yankees anymore.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The Yankees are more like the rays used to be now.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Dodgers are like you know eight W's the Dodgers.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They're just going to sign whoever to pay whatever they want and and nothing wrong.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He's got the best roster probably in the history of wrestling.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And we'll talk about TKO's money ball here.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, but I want to talk.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I want to give Joshua sitting in a. Yeah, thank you.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Thanks, Joshua.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I think we all thought this on Raw, if you watch Raw, which I haven't Roman Reigns.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Roman Reigns came out in the beginning of the show.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He was very upset because he wanted to get a piece of Jacob Fattu and scrap daddy said, you know, Jacob's not even here yet.

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[SPEAKER_00]: and whose turn was it to speak?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, it was Seth Ronald's turn.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So they crossed paths at the beginning.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So do you think we get Roman versus Seth at WrestleMania 43?

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[SPEAKER_00]: I would say that is probably a match that they have written in pencil knowing that

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[SPEAKER_00]: this far out to even try and book something like that with all the injuries and all the changes and all the craziness that happens in WWE that, you know, you can't really put that in pen yet.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But we know that they wanted to do it this year, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: That was one of the matches that the earmark.

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[SPEAKER_01]: This could that could that be the summer slam.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They got two, they got two nights of stadium show that they got a sell and you assume one of them is going to be Cody and

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, you could do it at SummerSlam, but I think the idea of these guys at Russell Mania is it just seems like more important to the match and to the fan maybe it's bad back up when if they can't get rock.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, yeah, because it's Saudi Arabia.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I was forgot about that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I do I wonder if it being Saudi Arabia Means that they would do it at summer slam or wait a year and or or it could be the back-up in case they can't go to Saudi then You know then okay sure then we're not gonna get the rock then we're gonna do Roman and Seth and we've already planted the seeds and Yeah, and you know, it'll be New Orleans or you know, wherever they decide to go whoever pays them I think Joshua.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think

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[SPEAKER_00]: You put that together.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think I mean, I think they wanted us to put that together with from that segment on right kind of like how last year They did something similar with the Roman and punk.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, you know, it's funny because All the changes that were made along the way, but if you go right back to a year ago If you would have asked me the week after WrestleMania who's gonna be the main event.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Actually, I was like, oh, probably Roman and punk

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[SPEAKER_01]: and then turns out it was a moment of punk, but it shouldn't took a long and winding road to get there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it took a few, a few different things to not happen for it to go through it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, so let's put a pin on in this.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But you're telling me, if you're Tony Khan,

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[SPEAKER_00]: you think twice about bringing the new day in.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, okay, so let me, I think if I'm Tony Connor, I probably signed them, but I would be careful about how I push them.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And the fact that I am signing them, I am very careful about who else I signed.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Do I really wanna bring in the motor city machine guns if I'm also bringing in the new day?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, you know, now I'm bringing in two tag teams that are in their, you know, in their late 40s or mid to late 40s.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Uh, am I bringing in a Jeff Cobb?

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[SPEAKER_01]: you know, am I bringing in, you know, like some of these other names that got cut, you know, like I really got to think about it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, then again, you know, you also look at, you know, how long is Washington Benjamin going to be around, how long are Christian cope going to be around?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, you know, they're, they look like it's can't go forever either.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And they Christian and cope also do not work correct every single show.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I would imagine a team like the new day might be able to negotiate that kind of contract as well.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And a team like the Motor City machine guns may want to work more because they haven't been utilized all that much or they would maybe want to work like I said, I think about this last week on kind of like a player coach kind of thing where you know you go to ring of honor you occasionally wrestling a W but you're you're at ring of honor and you're helping coach the young guys maybe even with some sort of a management role in that company given the history that they have there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I wouldn't be comfy in WWE with that player coach role, like, I just I don't even have any WWE in WWE, oh, like, I know, because, you know, when motor city machine guns did come over, the idea was, oh, you know, maybe they could help out at NXT at some point.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm like, that that is all great in the thinking of of how this thing works, but you know, you have AJ Styles there, you know, wanting to do stuff like that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I worry about that because

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[SPEAKER_00]: If you're looking from, you know, this TKO perspective and you're like, what are we paying the sky to do?

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[SPEAKER_00]: And what is his job?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, how does this make any sort of sense?

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[SPEAKER_00]: So that's kind of why I kind of hesitate on on the most wonderful thing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You would have been one of the best names of people that were asked to take a pay cut, although he literally just signed as whatever deal he's on.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, so I think

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[SPEAKER_00]: If you sign new day and you don't take advantage of the WWE crossover immediately and the surprise factor and the dream match aspect of it I think it's kind of a waste and I just I don't know that I would do it because you know I would sign them thinking.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, we're going to program with the young bucks immediately if we want to do it or we put them in something else and then build to the young bucks because we know that there is a part of the audience that was really invested in the idea of that match several years ago.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, or any of you know, a lot of people have brought this up and you being one of them, um, of doing like some sort of a tag team, invitation tournament.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, I know you like the shotgun memorial going back to Crocket.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But I mean, others have brought up Jay brisco, you know, and named that Jay brisco.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and and then you could, you know, and you could announce this, but not announce any teams at first.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Giving people the idea that oh, we're starting this tournament right after that 90 day thing is over we may get some of these big name teams, you know, like, you know, like, you know, like the bunch of machine guns like the new day or, you know, even, even like a gasey and luminous like I don't know, you know, like I don't think the AWS can bring it, but you know, to to be in this tournament, you know, like a one shot deal, see how they do see whether they get over and you know, you're not committing to anything, but

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, just like, you know, they show up and you have like a 32 team tournament.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You can definitely bring in some team that, you know, former, you know, you realize that I think I think there were, there's at least four possibly five different teams that have won the world tag team titles in WWE in the last year or cut in the last week.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It goes back to exactly what you were saying about, you know, the lack of importance.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, they don't really care about it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They don't think it draws or they don't think it's it's there because it's historically been there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, but they don't think it's a difference bigger.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, you know what I just realized.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He matches on me and neither tag team titles were defended.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, I just realized that the one way that I'm like Tony Khan is that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The way that I buy 4K DVDs is how he signs talent.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I know I hear you all the time.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I have that on duty.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I have never watched it because you know, I'll just go to Amazon.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I'll just be browsing something and I'll end Amazon knows by now that I have this 4K DVD have it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And it'll be like, oh, you know, check out this fight club special edition.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm like, I've never even seen fight club, but I know I want to watch it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I might as well just buy it on 4k.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I imagine Tony's like, just randomly doing some work and, you know, he's putting in some stuff into some spreadsheets, running some stuff through AI to make sure it's looking all good.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Then he gets the notification on his phone new day and he's like, huh.

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[SPEAKER_01]: adds adds a zero and the thing is like no we're good how much how much how much is going to cost me to get that feeling good by Nina Simone and I want that so bad it's a new dawn of the new day that would be how awesome would that be oh it would work for their characters so we're okay would WWE sue them though no because you're calling the new dawn

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[SPEAKER_01]: But you're in the lyrics of the song.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's a new dawn.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's a new day.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You can't see that like that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And the song works for their presentation, depending on what they do.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And he can use the name Kofi.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And Xavier Austin Creed, which I think is actually a way better name anyways.

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[SPEAKER_01]: In fact, they could go by Austin or Kofi and Austin Creed.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That could be their name.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And it's almost like they're the creeds, but they're not really the creeds, you know, like kind of like,

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[SPEAKER_01]: I like Austin, but they've already got a, they've already got two Austin's a Austin and all three.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Just column, just like, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah

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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, the other person, you know, coming out of New Japan, Jeff Cobb was, I imagine a hotter commodity than, you know, getting cut from WWE Jeff Cobb.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I can't be really unbiased in this one, because I've been watching this dude forever, and I like him a lot, and I've hung out with him, you know, a handful of times.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I just think he's just a great dude.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But, uh,

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[SPEAKER_00]: Jeff Cobb and AEW isn't interesting one.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I still think it's worth the shot.

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[SPEAKER_00]: If Jeff wants it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That would be my question.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That would be my weapon.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Jeff was.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He was completely fine living in Japan for all of those years and just resting in New Japan.

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[SPEAKER_00]: so he's Jeff has also has to want to work in AEW and I know he's done stuff with them in the past this last time when he was ready to go.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It was clearly WWE.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know if AEW was in the negotiation or if they were close or whatever but he chose WWE.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So that isn't that is an interesting when he's a little bit older than he was when he was last available.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The WWE clearly did not see him as any big sort of deal whatsoever.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know why they even signed him to be honest like him in black.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like I

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, but but him specifically like why do you sign a guy like that and then use him the way you did like I don't You know people's laugh Tony fumble low Hunter fumbles on this one like this was because the guys good and he had some yet some okay match is while he was there You know did the most of what he could but most of the time he was sitting in the background with face pain on and You know The name was the name like people didn't like it, but that was a least of the problems

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[SPEAKER_00]: The other thing is, it was kind of clear to me that they didn't think he could cut a promo.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, because he never got to talk.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't, not once I don't think.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe like, I got, I got a kick out of some of the small stuff that he did in the back, you know, because he was just the second to solo.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And solo would talk, and all of a sudden you see Jeff, like, make a surprise face, like he's got really good timing on that stuff.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's also like a pretty funny guy,

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, he did some pretty decent New Japan promo work where they would cut, you know, the end of the show and they'd go to the back and you'd see the background and he'd have to cut some problems.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I thought he had a pretty good job, but I didn't necessarily think he was a WWE style of promo.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He could have gone to AAA and probably got really over, maybe bring back like Matanza.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know if they were even allowed to, but like something like that, you know, or hint at that, oh, hey, this is Matanz even though we can't call that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: is open to the idea.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's inspired.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's ready to go.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He wants an idea.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Definitely sign him one percent because they need different than everybody else they have and he can go.

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[SPEAKER_01]: tag him up with somebody or you know give him a nice singles run him and chop up a guitar up him and brody you know like and and he's a name that they're all their fans know and he can also work New Japan and CMLL so yeah I mean I think that'd be great for him if he wants to do it and you know and that I guess the question would be what value does Tony put on him and is he better off there or even just going back to New Japan like I imagine the

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[SPEAKER_01]: But you know, it may be higher than what Tony's willing to give.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And he was in the U.E.

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[SPEAKER_00]: wasn't he?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Uh, I believe so, yes, yes, yes, he was.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, because they're kind of back being a big deal.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and or he could even come in and go against the, the end of the speed of an empire.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, like they could, they could attack him because he left them, you know, kind of thing and then he could be, you know, a baby face against them.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So, you know, there's, there's a few different ways they can go.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I think, I think it'd be, I would love to see him there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I would love to see him get a chance to actually work because I've always been a fan.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, I know he loves being like this fire hydrant powerhouse dude.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I would love to see him lean out just a little bit just because it's can't be great to be that big on those legs, though his legs are giant.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm almost talking about the knees because when I first saw him,

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[SPEAKER_00]: sort of been like 20, it was probably the mid 2010s, maybe in a little bit before, I'm trying to think of when LaRaca started before after Lucinda Graham.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It was before.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So then you're talking probably 2012, 2013.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So Jeff.

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[SPEAKER_00]: would do the Brock Lesnar move off the top rope the shooting star press that he would do it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He would literally do that in matches.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, he was he did that not a couple times.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, did he as a thing?

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[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, as his big version of myself, I can picture that in my head.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I'm yeah, I'm pretty sure not often, but he would bust that out occasionally in the big matches.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So they can be if done that against Alcada, one point.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, so he's, you know, he's somebody who

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, if you want to talk about somebody who, you know, like you just said, triplet dropped wall for it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: For a Tony Conte to be able to get gained value out of somebody that WWE did.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And that just shows, you know, that that does show a certain booking mentality or book.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And there's probably some value there.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like you can probably get him at a rate that, you know, like would be it would be a bargain for his ability and name value.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: All right, I just wanted to make a little bit of, uh, I don't have a small conversation about what I think TKO is doing and I wrote this a little bit in our discord.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think WWE very highly values the top of their card.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think they're very willing to pay whatever top dollars in wrestling to a very specific amount of people to lock them in.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then when you start going down, when you start going down towards the middle, I think they see all of those middle as replaceable.

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[SPEAKER_00]: to replace the middle on a fourth of the number, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: And there's a fantasy football strategy in auctions, draft auctions, where the strategy is you either go for, you go for all of the top guys,

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then to fill in the depth of your roster, you just go on one dollar flyer guys.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And the idea is you'll have so many great players that you'll be you'll still be able to compete even if some of those one dollar guys, you know, aren't are not valuable.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I always I have that strategy and I always die.

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[SPEAKER_00]: At least two of my guys get hurt and then I'm, yeah, that's the hard part about about the stars and scrubs as well.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But I'm out of like by the tenth pick, I'm like, I don't money.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So if you think of WWE's roster as a stars versus scrubs and scrubs is a pejorative.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I mean, someone who's like not not highly paid.

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[SPEAKER_00]: and you have this middle which to me is the glut of the entire company is just everybody in the middle.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I would worry about those guys as far as what TKO has shown in who they value.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, some some folks may go.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, Randy Orton really gets paid a lot of money, but there is there is a history of value and a current value in keeping Randy Orton alongside your roster like imagine if they were like,

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, you know who's long in the tooth and who doesn't who's not great anymore, Randy Orton and then all of a sudden Randy Orton shows up on a W television as his own name because that is his real name and then all the value that you have in the history of Randy Orton kind of goes out the window.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I don't think guys like Orton guys like Cody Roman

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't Seth, I don't think they're messing with any of those guys because they know that those are the stars and those stars don't grow on trees because if they did, everybody in NXT would come up to the main roster and automatically become stars and we know that that doesn't happen.

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[SPEAKER_00]: No, I mean, so you're gathering with a few people, but, um, you know,

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[SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, you're right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I got to keep those guys and then at the same time, you got to hope that some of these low value guys and gals become stars because and here's the other thing about it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: If you think about how professional, and I do lean a lot in these comparisons to how pro sports works, but pro sports.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I'll give you an actual real historical analogy here.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So 2012 is 2012.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, 2000 and 12 or 2013 sometime around there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Steph Curry hits his renewal, so he was a rookie and then his renewal came up and he had just come off several ankle injuries.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So the warriors come to the table, he comes to table, okay, four years, 40 million dollars.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So who's essentially making ten million dollars a year?

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[SPEAKER_00]: And this is right before he's about to turn into Steph Curry.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So because he signs this four year, 40 million dollar deal, he is the single most valuable player per dollar.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yeah, the NBA.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Now in 2016,

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[SPEAKER_00]: So this actually may have been 2013 now that I think of it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: In 2016, the Warriors lose to the Cleveland Cavaliers and the NBA Finals.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Becomes a free agent.

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[SPEAKER_00]: none other than Kevin Durant.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The Warriors can fit Kevin Durant's salary under the salary cap because Steph Curry is making $10 million a year and playing like somebody who is worth $50 million a year.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So these young NXT wrestlers, as far as dollar per dollar value,

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[SPEAKER_00]: They are more valuable on their contract than they ever will be, unless they turn into Roman reigns or Steph Curry or you've got a guy in San Jose right now that fits that bill.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Macklin, Selobrini, he's a contract is 975,000.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's barely above the League of Minimum and he was fourth in League and scoring this year and it's through next year.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You buy into it right you're like, we have Mac for these two years at this very low amount.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We sign as many people as possible and and we go for for those two years because when he then becomes a free agent, then he's going to be at the top of the food you're going to be in hand with the depth, you're going to be paying him 13, 14 million dollars, walk him up for eight years and then you've got to cut some of those guys that you just signed.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's that's the heat is on.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm glad to hear that up because I was thinking this guy and honestly, as a fan of WWE, if I'm looking at it and I'm saying, okay, who do I want to see on my TV?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Do I want to see the new day, Alistair Black, Jeff Cobb as much as I like Jeff Cobb, Motor City Machine Guns, or do I want to see trick, Oba, you know, Ethan Page, who I really like, Javan, Ricky Saints, Joe Hendry, you can take her leave him.

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[SPEAKER_01]: you know, but like he, you know, he's going to have that new new car smell for, you know, a couple weeks.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But I mean, all those names like our new there, you know, they're fresh.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It makes the TV more fun.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And, you know, as opposed to like pushing guys that have been around for 10 or 15 years.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I remember, and you'll remember this too, I think, right after AWS started, there was a, like, I think it was, I don't know, it was a PLE or TV show at where WWE had a battle royal, it may have even been a royal rumble.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then AW did a battle royale right around the same time, and there's comparisons made about the average age of the people in the two battle royals.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And at the time, I think AW was like 25 or 26, and AWW was like 41.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And it was right around that time that Vince McMahon actually decided we got to get younger and that's where NXT 2.0 came in and he cleaned house and he brought in a whole bunch of new people that were greenous grass and might be the last good thing he ever did

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[SPEAKER_01]: The shows are great.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I, you know, I don't think it's a problem right now, but I do think they need to start thinking about their future.

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[SPEAKER_01]: By the way, you didn't tell me the sharks got the second pick in the draft.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I did not know.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I don't know that who the second pick is going to be because like this year is one of those ones where like the first like with Max year, the first one is is so far in a way above everyone else and at least got them.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They need to draft a defenseman is what they need.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like I followed enough to know that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: If they would have won last year, they would have made the playoffs this year, for sure, because they would have got that guy, the islanders got Matthew Shafer.

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[SPEAKER_00]: All right, I didn't even mention the heat is on comment.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He basically said they were replacing the middle tier with trick, Oba, Ethan, Joe, Javon, Ricky, those talent weren't making what new day and others would have been making.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Exactly.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, you know, that's, you know, the thing about this thing, I think, I think the thing about it that I would be really frustrated with,

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[SPEAKER_00]: though, I will say, it all also happens.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It supports all time is when you just sign that contract and then because in WWE, there's no guarantees, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, you're in the NFT, in the NFL.

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[SPEAKER_00]: When you see these contracts, it's like seven years for three hundred million dollars, the number that you have to look at is not the overall number that is reported.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's the guaranteed money.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, because once the guaranteed money is gone, then they want to renegotiate their contract.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And on the team side,

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[SPEAKER_00]: In some cases, they're like, no, we don't want to, you know, we don't want to renegotiate.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You're kind of the Niners just did this with Trent Williams.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's like every year it happens or he's like, okay, I'm out of guaranteed money.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We need to redo my deal and then they end up having to redo it because they can't replace this dude.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So that would be the thing that, you know, it's kind of frustrating is, you know, you're the new day.

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[SPEAKER_00]: you in this negotiation, they're telling you everything you want to hear, we've got all these great plans for you.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We want to bring you back.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We want to get you guys back on the top of the tag team division.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Here's the money and the money's great and you're like, okay, let's shake hands and sign this contract and they sign it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Nothing happens the way that they probably thought would happen or maybe they got the tag titles, but what does that mean?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I mean, maybe maybe they kind of knew that those Jews are smart.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They knew that, you know, all, all, uh, maybe they just feel all the stuff that people say is not always the tray where we, we like work in here.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We like the money, they're never going to maybe maybe maybe they're even smarter thinking.

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[SPEAKER_00]: we'll get the big money for this year.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We'll see what happens next year.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And there's always AEW.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe that's the thought process.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It could be a time.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And they probably, you know, they have friends there.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So they know, hey, if you guys are ever available, there's a job here for you.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So let's wrap this thing up by talking about backlash, which is Saturday at 3 p.m. My time.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So five my time.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Cool.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So same time is WrestleMania.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Interesting.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And if it's a three hour show, it'll be done right around the time of the UFC paper view starts nice I I can't imagine I'm going to be watching it on Saturday just because I'm I still haven't watched I the last show I watched was the Smackdown after mania that's how far behind I yeah I the next show I'm going to watch tomorrow morning is raw from last week so I'm getting there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: All right, the, I think this is the, I forget what the ESPN matches are, but I think the first one is Seth Rollins and Brown.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They're doing the Gatson ESPN again.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I didn't know that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: ESPN too.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, cool.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I didn't know that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So sorry, was it Oben?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Who?

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think it's a Seth Rollins and Braun Breaker is the opener.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, cool.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So it's the first hour.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So actually, this is actually kind of interesting because the show's about three hours and the whole entire, so 33% of this show is gonna be on ESPN and then the rest of it will just be on.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So the opener is kind of almost like the second most important match on the show.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And some kind of is all the time.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, you're more so here because, you know, you're going to hook those viewers.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And they, you know what, they must have liked the results they got with me, you have to do it again.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So Seth and Braun, you didn't watch raw, but.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Bronn basically beat the shit out of this dude.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, well, that's what happened to me so kind of knew that was coming although I'm surprised it's coming to soon, but I think I think Brock or Bronn has to win.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think he has to win, but also Seth is about the coldness he's felt a long time.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, well, it's kind of similar to what they're doing with the Osprey and AW I guess.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, but there's in the least there's intrigue in Austin.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, in Osprey storyline, whether or not you think that that intrigue is going to lead to business, at least there's like a story that is they're trying to tell that crosses over to two different companies with Newtman and AEW.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe, you know, what, maybe you can have Logan Paul and Austin Theory carry Seth Rollins away after the match and they can meet up in a dungeon somewhere and, you know, offer to train them.

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[SPEAKER_01]: have Paul Hayman with the towel.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, Paul Hayman can put the chair on the floor and stay here.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, with it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Brock Lesnar goes in and just curves down to the stage.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, it's, you know, it's the, the, the funniest thing about that Osprey and Moxley storyline is they have, they've just told the smallest piece of it, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, it's, we're just at the beginning of whatever this is going to become.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I've seen different, like a few different versions of where people think this is going.

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[SPEAKER_00]: When I, like, I missed the dynamite that the actual storyline was on.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The beginning of this was on.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I was like, I kind of came into it and was like, what is this?

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then I saw like a video package and was like, okay, I kind of get it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And to me, it looked like a version of like Rocky versus Apollo and then Apollo training Rocky.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Now,

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[SPEAKER_00]: the other there's another movie or there's a couple of other movies where there is this version of story.

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[SPEAKER_00]: One of them is Point Break with Patrick Swazzy and Johnny Utah played by Keanu Reeves and Keanu Reeves goes undercover to befriend Patrick Swazzy to then arrest him like that that's

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[SPEAKER_00]: doing all of this to kind of figure out the ins and outs of the death writers and then he's going to like use this information, you know, to beat John Moxie or whatever.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So there's that version of the story.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The other version of this story, haven't heard anyone say this, this one specifically, but I was thinking because this movie is kind of based on point break, is the fast and the furious

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[SPEAKER_00]: Vin Diesel's character, Dom, he gets befriended by Brian the cop.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They both love the racing aspect of it, but really, Paul Walker is trying to infiltrate to figure out if Dom and his team are criminals.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And in the end, he's like,

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[SPEAKER_00]: their criminals, but guess what, I love them.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Even though I'm a cop, I'm joining the criminals because they're just more fun than me and a cop.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So there's a couple of different versions of this story.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And that's the part where I'm kind of intrigued.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm like, okay.

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[SPEAKER_00]: What is John Moxie trying to do with this thing?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, that's my intrigue, but it's a very meta thing for me, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Did you try and figure out what Moxley is, is what pop culture thing Moxley is kind of copying to make a rustling storyline.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But you know, people had a different theory and it was something to do with like a movie trope where you have a hero that is looks like he's being seduced by the dark side but he's not actually, and so I asked him, I said,

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[SPEAKER_01]: Batman or even like Harvey Dent and he's like, no, no, not that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then I kind of lost track of what he was talking about.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But I just did a dark night.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I was thinking, oh, so is maybe maybe he's Harvey Dent, you know, like to where he tried to be good and it didn't work.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So now he's going to join up with the bad guys.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Amanda burned.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, well, Chris.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So do I think it's like the super compelling and like in like I think it's going to be a cinema.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But I think some AEW fans want it to be like this really sophisticated up and down storyline.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I think if it gets even halfway through, I think a lot of the fan base will enjoy it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm just more interested to see like.

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[SPEAKER_00]: What is boxy trend?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, at some point, Oscar is going to wrestle again, and no matter what the storyline was leading into everyone's going to be excited about the match and the match is going to be awesome.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So, you know what, if all, if all that happens in this storyline is will just stop selling the hell out of his neck.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, not damn timing takes a bump.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I will be like, this is my favorite storyline of all time.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, kind of going back to like, remember everyone made fun of the fact that, uh,

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, William Riegel taught the, uh, not the death writers, but whatever black pool combat club, how to no sell a pile driver, it could be this thing, you know, with with will do all of them neck, all the neck bridges.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, who, you know, who should have taught them, but it's not a life to teach them was a road warrior hawk.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yeah.

53:33.915 --> 53:35.257
[SPEAKER_00]: That did never was phase.

53:35.277 --> 53:38.101
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, no, but now that's got, you know what, that's who the offspring is.

53:38.121 --> 53:45.471
[SPEAKER_01]: You just go to L clone, because I'll clone the cells of pile driver like hawk is too.

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[SPEAKER_00]: All right, backlash.

53:47.335 --> 53:49.017
[SPEAKER_00]: So Rollins and Breaker.

53:49.118 --> 53:51.661
[SPEAKER_00]: I think we both think Breaker is going to win.

53:51.681 --> 54:01.056
[SPEAKER_00]: I just I'm just so interested in what Rollins is going to do here because one of these guys is going up and up and up and that is brawn.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Seth is smart.

54:05.383 --> 54:09.369
[SPEAKER_00]: So I don't think he's going to lose steam, but I also have not really into his character right now.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So that that's going to be interesting

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[SPEAKER_00]: Trick Williams with a little yaddy against Sami Zayn.

54:15.216 --> 54:19.592
[SPEAKER_00]: I will tell you you having not watched all of the SmackDowns.

54:20.602 --> 54:25.188
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm actually jealous of you because you don't have to see the gingerbread man die.

54:25.829 --> 54:33.158
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, I saw I saw Sammy as a gingerbread man turn on trick and get booed.

54:33.879 --> 54:35.681
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, it's weird.

54:36.683 --> 54:49.579
[SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, I am interested in this storyline just to see if because I think that what they're trying to do is like Brett Hart 1997 with Sammy and I just don't know that it's going to work.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I see that as well.

54:52.888 --> 54:55.936
[SPEAKER_00]: And I think there are elements of that.

54:57.501 --> 55:01.391
[SPEAKER_00]: I just don't think that they see Sammy even close to that light.

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[SPEAKER_00]: No, he's just there to put trick over.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, you know, he'll get he'll get his licks in on a little yaddy, but, uh, really yaddy like saying that he like yaddy.

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[SPEAKER_01]: What do you think about yaddy's high pitch voice?

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's fine.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I, I kind of like the act like it, it works for me.

55:19.040 --> 55:23.385
[SPEAKER_01]: And I, um, I whole trick trick did cut the best promo.

55:24.166 --> 55:24.606
[SPEAKER_00]: Tricks.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I gave it when, when, when Sammy beat up this mannequin gingerbread man, which you haven't seen on SmackDown yet.

55:34.632 --> 55:47.886
[SPEAKER_00]: They did a skit in the back where trick came out of the fake emergency room, the trainers room, and they finally gave them the thumbs down that the gingerbread man didn't make it.

55:48.046 --> 55:54.773
[SPEAKER_00]: Trick cut the best promo of all time on the death of a fake mannequin character.

55:54.893 --> 55:55.534
[SPEAKER_00]: It was awesome.

55:55.674 --> 55:56.355
[SPEAKER_00]: It was incredible.

55:56.415 --> 55:58.017
[SPEAKER_00]: But the storyline was idiotic.

55:58.197 --> 56:03.222
[SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, I don't want to get it right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I wonder if they give them a little bit more time or if they think that that exposes trick and they don't give them more time.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, trick can have good matches.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I don't think that's a problem.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Especially when he's in there with good workers.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I've seen enough like really good trick Williams matches to know.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I don't think that the reason he didn't get time at Mania was because they didn't have faith that he could have a good match.

56:25.640 --> 56:27.202
[SPEAKER_01]: I think it was just they timed out the show.

56:27.303 --> 56:27.623
[SPEAKER_01]: And

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[SPEAKER_01]: They only had whatever it was seven minutes.

56:30.947 --> 56:33.430
[SPEAKER_01]: They wanted to get that out of there by like 630.

56:34.091 --> 56:39.138
[SPEAKER_00]: So next match is the one I'm looking most forward to, which is Eoskai and Asuka.

56:39.258 --> 56:40.159
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that'll be great.

56:41.381 --> 56:43.884
[SPEAKER_00]: I really wanted them to have that match on WrestleMania.

56:44.605 --> 56:49.611
[SPEAKER_00]: I think we would have been disappointed because of the time problems on that show.

56:50.722 --> 56:54.329
[SPEAKER_00]: So they better give them some time on this show.

56:54.449 --> 56:56.352
[SPEAKER_00]: Do we, do we, do we get Kyrie?

56:56.653 --> 56:57.514
[SPEAKER_00]: Do we get Kyrie?

56:57.534 --> 56:58.857
[SPEAKER_00]: Is it like an archery thing?

56:59.478 --> 57:00.299
[SPEAKER_00]: I think this should.

57:00.360 --> 57:02.363
[SPEAKER_00]: But I don't think it's going to mean Kyrie's back.

57:02.403 --> 57:07.212
[SPEAKER_00]: I think they're going to be like, can you fill one more obligation so we can tie the loose ends of this thing?

57:07.343 --> 57:26.533
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, could be, could be, but I, you know, maybe they won't get 15, 15, maybe I may be a little too greedy there, maybe 12, but oh man, I cannot wait for this match, the build, how long have they been building this match, I mean, feels like a year.

57:27.914 --> 57:28.715
[SPEAKER_01]: like off and on.

57:28.775 --> 57:34.621
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, there were some tag team stuff in there, but I mean, that's hardcore three months, like, since we're around.

57:34.641 --> 57:36.563
[SPEAKER_01]: He was, he was got to win here, right?

57:36.583 --> 57:38.785
[SPEAKER_01]: The specialty of Kyrie comes back.

57:38.805 --> 57:39.065
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

57:39.105 --> 57:44.951
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, if Kyrie comes back, yeah, if not, then probably maybe Oscar wins, and then you will get another match.

57:44.971 --> 57:45.071
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

57:45.091 --> 57:45.291
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

57:45.592 --> 57:46.012
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

57:46.032 --> 57:47.574
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

57:47.594 --> 57:52.118
[SPEAKER_00]: And then we have Dan Housing and TBA versus the Miz and Kit Wilson.

57:52.138 --> 57:53.720
[SPEAKER_00]: We don't even have to predict the match.

57:54.160 --> 57:57.043
[SPEAKER_00]: Who's going to be the TBA to Dan Housing?

57:58.340 --> 58:03.428
[SPEAKER_00]: who's his tag team partner, evil.

58:03.788 --> 58:04.249
[SPEAKER_00]: Very nice.

58:04.269 --> 58:04.770
[SPEAKER_00]: Very evil.

58:07.614 --> 58:08.335
[SPEAKER_00]: But that's okay.

58:08.435 --> 58:12.601
[SPEAKER_00]: So he showed up on he's going to be in an NXT next week, right?

58:12.922 --> 58:13.162
[SPEAKER_00]: Evil?

58:13.983 --> 58:14.464
[SPEAKER_00]: I think so.

58:14.664 --> 58:15.846
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.

58:15.866 --> 58:18.049
[SPEAKER_01]: Under his new name, he's got a new name.

58:18.109 --> 58:18.470
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, doesn't he?

58:18.490 --> 58:18.650
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't.

58:18.690 --> 58:19.992
[SPEAKER_01]: I just hurty debuted.

58:20.052 --> 58:21.154
[SPEAKER_01]: I didn't know anything.

58:22.015 --> 58:26.642
[SPEAKER_01]: No,

58:28.276 --> 58:29.658
[SPEAKER_00]: Hobbes would be a good one.

58:29.858 --> 58:35.106
[SPEAKER_00]: There's a fantastic Hobbes in Jacob's short meet-up on SmackDown.

58:35.146 --> 58:38.410
[SPEAKER_01]: That was, yeah, yeah, I'm, yeah, they've teased some stuff with them.

58:38.470 --> 58:42.376
[SPEAKER_01]: And I could see them being a unit, which would be pretty, pretty, pretty cool.

58:43.958 --> 58:48.985
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, but I think you think, oh, but just comes out and tosses, Kit Wilson 25 feet in the air.

58:49.025 --> 58:49.767
[SPEAKER_01]: That'd be cool, too.

58:49.987 --> 58:52.130
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, and then, you know, you could do the same thing to Dan House.

58:52.150 --> 58:57.878
[SPEAKER_01]: And honestly, like, you know, uh,

58:57.858 --> 59:00.982
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, or just do the poof of any soldier.

59:01.723 --> 59:15.041
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, yeah, I, yeah, it's, I don't know that people should get their hopes up that it's going to be anybody huge, but I think whoever it is is probably means that it's somebody that WWE really likes because obviously they're not losing.

59:16.363 --> 59:23.713
[SPEAKER_00]: Uh, yeah, I'm trying to think if anyone from NXT who they've been wanting to debut,

59:23.693 --> 59:25.596
[SPEAKER_00]: Hasn't debut anybody left.

59:25.957 --> 59:30.484
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean Ricky saying say he did he made his debut last week.

59:30.504 --> 59:30.925
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, okay.

59:30.945 --> 59:31.225
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.

59:31.245 --> 59:31.486
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yeah.

59:31.506 --> 59:31.887
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.

59:31.907 --> 59:32.007
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

59:32.027 --> 59:34.010
[SPEAKER_01]: He was on SmackDown.

59:35.232 --> 59:38.277
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, there's like because if you wanted to do the surprise aspect of it.

59:38.477 --> 59:46.731
[SPEAKER_01]: Who would who would or is there anybody that has been gone that maybe would be ready to come back the only one I could think of a shameless.

59:47.875 --> 59:51.740
[SPEAKER_01]: Shameless and dad house and would be Pretty fun.

59:51.780 --> 01:00:05.037
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, like and and I think he's still hurt though from his ear Okay, thanks so like somebody that could just completely mull through Miz and Wilson I mean that could be anybody really what about No, that partner is yeah, he's nowhere near being ready.

01:00:05.417 --> 01:00:08.821
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, the the the heat is all on Prince it's trolling me.

01:00:09.422 --> 01:00:15.790
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh Jelly roll Oh, you know who it could be

01:00:17.035 --> 01:00:31.433
[SPEAKER_00]: Joe Hendry could be Joe Hendry yeah he fits the yeah kind of what they're going for him sure yeah yeah and and I could that could spin that off into a feud Joe Hendry in the Miz easy mm-hmm all right and then we have our main event

01:00:32.881 --> 01:00:38.514
[SPEAKER_00]: Roman Reigns of Jacob Fattu, Jacob Fattu has been amazing.

01:00:38.915 --> 01:00:43.967
[SPEAKER_01]: I have seen so many messages of from people that want Jacob Fattu to beat Roman.

01:00:44.107 --> 01:00:45.691
[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm like, I can't help you.

01:00:45.731 --> 01:00:48.578
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, it's, I'm not I don't know if I said, I don't think that's all.

01:00:49.560 --> 01:00:50.923
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think he's going to beat him.

01:00:51.865 --> 01:00:54.108
[SPEAKER_00]: But the build has been pretty damn near perfect.

01:00:54.389 --> 01:00:55.250
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah.

01:00:55.270 --> 01:00:56.793
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, it's got people thinking.

01:00:56.873 --> 01:01:03.623
[SPEAKER_01]: And then, you know, that adding in Roman taken June off, yeah, that people put, that's got people interested.

01:01:03.804 --> 01:01:06.868
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, maybe, and maybe it was that simple.

01:01:06.928 --> 01:01:11.255
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, like, you put that in there just to kind of throw people off the scent, like, I don't know.

01:01:11.696 --> 01:01:16.303
[SPEAKER_01]: The thing that I remember is, they still have a card two weeks, like, mean event.

01:01:16.283 --> 01:01:18.171
[SPEAKER_01]: So, you know, like Romans still going to be around.

01:01:18.833 --> 01:01:20.741
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, Saturday night main event isn't two weeks.

01:01:20.902 --> 01:01:21.103
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

01:01:21.464 --> 01:01:21.625
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

01:01:21.645 --> 01:01:24.175
[SPEAKER_01]: It's the same weekend as double or double or nothing.

01:01:24.196 --> 01:01:24.336
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

01:01:26.763 --> 01:01:27.884
[SPEAKER_01]: Hi, didn't you realize that?

01:01:28.044 --> 01:01:29.245
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, they're both in Florida too.

01:01:29.486 --> 01:01:31.428
[SPEAKER_01]: I think one general is a key talk show.

01:01:32.349 --> 01:01:32.969
[SPEAKER_01]: I think so.

01:01:33.189 --> 01:01:33.910
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

01:01:33.930 --> 01:01:34.391
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, God.

01:01:34.411 --> 01:01:35.752
[SPEAKER_01]: How's he opening YouTube here.

01:01:36.092 --> 01:01:40.917
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I could give you a VPN and you can watch on YouTube.

01:01:40.937 --> 01:01:42.319
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm good without the VPN.

01:01:42.819 --> 01:01:43.840
[SPEAKER_00]: I have to hold strong.

01:01:44.060 --> 01:01:44.561
[SPEAKER_00]: Got you.

01:01:44.741 --> 01:01:45.141
[SPEAKER_00]: Got you.

01:01:45.662 --> 01:01:47.484
[SPEAKER_01]: No problem.

01:01:47.504 --> 01:01:50.507
[SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, I mean, yeah, I don't think I don't expect that card to be much.

01:01:52.509 --> 01:01:53.850
[SPEAKER_00]: So.

01:01:53.830 --> 01:01:54.835
[SPEAKER_00]: I think Romans winning.

01:01:55.357 --> 01:01:55.518
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

01:01:55.538 --> 01:02:01.849
[SPEAKER_00]: Now if there is something where Roman needs the time off and they'd rather just have Jacob as the champion.

01:02:03.331 --> 01:02:10.523
[SPEAKER_00]: I would imagine the only way he wins is by so many shenanigans on top of shenanigans because they're going to protect Roman.

01:02:10.583 --> 01:02:11.525
[SPEAKER_00]: Could it be a DQ?

01:02:11.545 --> 01:02:18.537
[SPEAKER_00]: Where the use was getting involved and gosh, can you imagine people being so pissed off at a DQ though in the main event?

01:02:19.298 --> 01:02:23.205
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but they're going to boycott WWE or they're just going to show up next time.

01:02:24.547 --> 01:02:25.609
[SPEAKER_01]: Hey, for all the tickets again.

01:02:25.825 --> 01:02:26.706
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh yeah, he does not.

01:02:26.726 --> 01:02:28.069
[SPEAKER_01]: There's another PLA, too.

01:02:28.349 --> 01:02:29.771
[SPEAKER_01]: May 31st.

01:02:30.633 --> 01:02:32.476
[SPEAKER_01]: So and Roman's going to be at that one.

01:02:32.496 --> 01:02:32.716
[SPEAKER_01]: I think.

01:02:32.736 --> 01:02:33.417
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so there you go.

01:02:33.878 --> 01:02:35.501
[SPEAKER_00]: So he could lose it there.

01:02:35.962 --> 01:02:36.723
[SPEAKER_00]: Although I don't think he will.

01:02:38.225 --> 01:02:42.332
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I think the most interesting thing to me is.

01:02:42.700 --> 01:02:46.464
[SPEAKER_00]: I can't imagine Jacob wins, but then how do you keep him hot, right?

01:02:46.565 --> 01:02:47.466
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

01:02:47.486 --> 01:02:49.228
[SPEAKER_00]: How do you keep him at the level that he's at?

01:02:49.288 --> 01:02:50.770
[SPEAKER_00]: He's just doing tremendous work.

01:02:51.110 --> 01:02:52.692
[SPEAKER_00]: Almost like I said, the last show that we did.

01:02:52.732 --> 01:02:54.654
[SPEAKER_00]: He's almost too good at promos right now.

01:02:55.295 --> 01:02:58.038
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, he's almost not edgy enough for me.

01:02:58.158 --> 01:02:58.999
[SPEAKER_00]: So unique.

01:02:59.100 --> 01:03:01.042
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, that's a thing, but it still works.

01:03:01.663 --> 01:03:03.144
[SPEAKER_01]: So I hadn't seen.

01:03:03.204 --> 01:03:06.148
[SPEAKER_01]: So I saw the one he did to promos actually.

01:03:06.168 --> 01:03:09.552
[SPEAKER_01]: They did on SmackDown, which you would probably just seen.

01:03:09.532 --> 01:03:12.015
[SPEAKER_01]: And so I saw those yesterday.

01:03:12.756 --> 01:03:23.731
[SPEAKER_01]: And yeah, I mean, I get what you're saying now, like he's just and he's got that connection with the crowd that not a lot of people have and I think he's got that that thing where people are rooting for him.

01:03:24.552 --> 01:03:26.314
[SPEAKER_00]: And so I at the end of raw.

01:03:28.096 --> 01:03:36.147
[SPEAKER_00]: He put he tried to put Roman through the table, but the table didn't break and they just like flip the table over on Roman by the end of the show.

01:03:36.228 --> 01:03:39.193
[SPEAKER_00]: There was a Fatu chant, which was pretty amazing.

01:03:39.513 --> 01:03:42.318
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, uh, at-around in trius.

01:03:43.059 --> 01:03:46.404
[SPEAKER_00]: Because, because, yeah, because Roman was still over.

01:03:46.424 --> 01:03:47.606
[SPEAKER_00]: It's not like they were booing.

01:03:47.626 --> 01:03:48.247
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:03:48.267 --> 01:03:53.275
[SPEAKER_01]: They were just like, okay, it's like, it's kind of like what they had with Roman Brock a little bit.

01:03:53.845 --> 01:03:55.167
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, same.

01:03:55.228 --> 01:03:56.630
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not quite at that.

01:03:56.650 --> 01:04:12.580
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know, but patient level, but like the same the same kind of thing, you know, where I think like, I don't want to get off on that tangent, but I, you know, where to where like, yeah, I mean, they're both over, but fans are kind of really wanting the new guy.

01:04:12.560 --> 01:04:18.369
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, and so, um, so it's open not on the card at all or see on an SPN match.

01:04:18.729 --> 01:04:26.021
[SPEAKER_01]: He is not on the card as far as I can, so maybe that's why you had where you had people thinking he was going to be downhouse in his partner.

01:04:26.041 --> 01:04:31.429
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, I think I would start this match hot.

01:04:31.831 --> 01:04:44.018
[SPEAKER_00]: and have Jacob get like a two and three quarters pin attempt on Roman like within like the first 90 seconds of this match hmm that'd be yeah that'd be interesting then you have Roman like oh well look at this guy

01:04:44.335 --> 01:05:11.119
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and then Romans got a step as game up to keep his title like this is like shit on and then you have like a bunch you know they go for like 20 minutes and then at the end you have a bunch of like really good near falls and then Roman just pulls it out you know at the end maybe even cheats you know you don't necessarily have to have have run ins or interference but you haven't cheat and and then you know and then it's like fat too is like okay where we're playing this game okay.

01:05:11.605 --> 01:05:15.152
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, yeah, I can get in there with you.

01:05:16.010 --> 01:05:18.033
[SPEAKER_00]: So he does a well end with this question.

01:05:18.053 --> 01:05:22.239
[SPEAKER_00]: He is honest wondering when when oh, but when's the title when when did you put it on him?

01:05:23.440 --> 01:05:40.123
[SPEAKER_01]: Depends which title if he's gonna be Roman then yeah, I would do it at Mania, but but if but then that depends what what are you doing for Mania next year So perhaps he wins money in the bank and then you know, and then he just win I mean you and I both don't like guys getting their first catch away.

01:05:40.143 --> 01:05:40.384
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

01:05:40.624 --> 01:05:42.827
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah

01:05:42.807 --> 01:05:54.867
[SPEAKER_01]: I could also see, you know, maybe maybe, you know, he beats Cody for, for that title, and then, you know, then Roman, they can do the rematch from the Saturday nights made of it match.

01:05:54.887 --> 01:06:04.382
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and then you have Roman lose the title at some point before Mania, and then next year, you know, or whenever you get to Roman and oh, but it's actually Roman challenging over for a title.

01:06:04.462 --> 01:06:04.883
[SPEAKER_01]: Interesting.

01:06:05.003 --> 01:06:06.045
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

01:06:06.065 --> 01:06:06.165
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.

01:06:06.145 --> 01:06:09.072
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I have no idea what Obo is going to be.

01:06:09.152 --> 01:06:20.138
[SPEAKER_01]: I think I would put money on Obo winning a world title before the end of this year, like I had told, I don't know if I told Dave or Leraca, but I was like,

01:06:22.244 --> 01:06:26.932
[SPEAKER_00]: It is like, could you build Goldberg this guy and just like immediately have him?

01:06:27.192 --> 01:06:29.536
[SPEAKER_00]: I think it was Dave because I heard I heard it.

01:06:29.997 --> 01:06:34.425
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, yeah, could you could you win a title in like two months, you know, like that kind of thing?

01:06:34.445 --> 01:06:40.455
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, if he does, it would probably be like, you know, US title, uh, or, well, so I see title.

01:06:40.435 --> 01:06:45.926
[SPEAKER_00]: So your Roman idea here, right, about what if they want to take the belt off him if he's taken off June?

01:06:46.527 --> 01:06:50.054
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, what if it's open Roman at Clash, it's champions?

01:06:50.074 --> 01:06:51.136
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, the fans want it.

01:06:51.397 --> 01:06:51.918
[SPEAKER_01]: I know that.

01:06:52.238 --> 01:06:53.581
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I was that mean, yeah.

01:06:53.801 --> 01:07:00.334
[SPEAKER_01]: I was actually walking on the bridge and I could hear the fans chanting over during Roman's interview.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's pretty cool actually because yet people stopping on the bridge to watch it, it was actually a pretty cool visual and it was still light out and yeah, so yeah, like I think that their fans would really like that if they if they went to open row because nobody's expecting it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So if you did that at like the clash my god like those France crowds are super hot so you can imagine like that place they blow the roof off wherever they're wrestling or that's Italy right that's probably going to be a super crazy crowd as well.

01:07:29.847 --> 01:07:38.978
[SPEAKER_01]: I would think I'm they've always been used to watch there was an indie company that used to do shows in Italy and I used to watch them yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: who was wrestling there.

01:07:42.197 --> 01:07:46.283
[SPEAKER_01]: It was like one of the semones was like the champion.

01:07:46.323 --> 01:07:48.066
[SPEAKER_01]: Bill after was involved with it somehow.

01:07:48.106 --> 01:07:53.934
[SPEAKER_01]: And it was all like people that used to be in WWE mostly, but the champion was like this semone guy.

01:07:53.954 --> 01:07:57.279
[SPEAKER_01]: I think he was related to the mall, but he's a guy that never made it to WWE.

01:07:57.299 --> 01:08:00.743
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, the life band can't remember his name, but he had it like a really good look and everything.

01:08:00.763 --> 01:08:02.586
[SPEAKER_01]: And I was surprised that WWE never took him.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, yeah, you're like, you're like David Heath and, you know, like all those guys that, you know, from like the, it was like mid to late 2000s was it Lance Lance and a wire maybe yeah, but he had any like the Tahitian prints or something it wasn't that but yeah, might have been Lance might have been Lance yeah, yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: All right, we'll be back next week and probably have some thoughts on whatever happens at back.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, yeah, we'll all know what happened in the next.

01:08:29.738 --> 01:08:37.269
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and yeah, you just reminded me we're getting, you know, we're getting in close proximity to double or nothing.

01:08:37.349 --> 01:08:38.411
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, just a couple of weeks out.

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[SPEAKER_01]: By next week, we should have a pretty good idea what the card's going to be.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so.

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[SPEAKER_01]: All right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's it from here.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We'll be back next week.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Thanks to all the folks in the chat.

01:08:49.327 --> 01:08:53.133
[SPEAKER_00]: Of course, as always our guy for Nando.

01:08:53.573 --> 01:09:03.488
[SPEAKER_00]: He does on Lady Bee.

01:09:03.468 --> 01:09:05.514
[SPEAKER_00]: And then there was somebody else I can't find their name now.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh well.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But I appreciate all of you for hanging out and chit chat with us.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So for Paul, I am WG, we will see you when we see you piece out.