Seth Rollins INJURY ANGLE? Cena vs. Styles Legacy & Weak-ish WrestleDream Card | Takedown

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[SPEAKER_00]: Welcome back to take down a post crown jewel, pre-result dream version of take dance.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We'll talk about both AEW and WWE today.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Paul, we had a Monday night raw, which was actually a Monday morning raw for us.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He was in Perth as well, which is where crown jewel was.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I woke up to a text this morning of someone's spoiling what happened at raw.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Man, like, why are you going to spoil that?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, right away, and then I thought, you know what?

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[SPEAKER_00]: This is actually a blessing in disguise, because now I'll make sure to figure out and watch what happens.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I could talk to Paul about it on this show, and I think you did the same thing because it isn't pretty newsworthy.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Now, I will stop.

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[SPEAKER_00]: right then and there by the time this gets posted, most people probably have seen the news, but I don't know if they will have watched raw by then.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So if you haven't seen anything about raw, uh, pause this, you can always come back, but I don't want to spoil it for anybody.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So that is your warning because from here on out, Paul and I are going to spoil the

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[SPEAKER_00]: with a long promo that I really just wanted to know what the heck are you guys doing here?

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[SPEAKER_00]: It was the part that I liked about it was given, you know, Seth was giving his props to Bronson Reed, like that was really cool, because that he should have Bronson Reed had a great weekend.

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[SPEAKER_00]: had a great Saturday by beating Roman Reigns, who gets to beat Roman Reigns these days, not many people.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so that was good, but overall I was just like, what's the TLDR here, buddy?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like we didn't need 20 minutes or whatever of Seth Rollins talking, and not essentially not saying much.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So, but what it was was it was a little bit of a foreshadowing to the end of the show.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And after the main event in which CM Punk beat Jay Uso and LA night to become the number one contender, which depending on what the real story is, we don't even know what that means at this point.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The original match was supposed to be Saturday nights main event in November, Seth Rollins against CM Punk.

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[SPEAKER_00]: As far as what storyline has said, that is what is supposed to happen.

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[SPEAKER_01]: November, December, like, I think, November.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There's this, there's this, there's a Salt Lake City show.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Salt Lake City.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Survivor Series.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I thought that punk Rollins match was on the undercard of Sina and Gunther, but I guess not.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then also supposedly on that show is Drew McIntyre and Jacob Fattu for the shot at Cody.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So, but we'll see what happens with that show as of now.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We are unsure where things are going.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so after that match is over, J. J.

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[SPEAKER_00]: the vision is out there and they turn on Seth Rollins to end the show.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And at first Paul Hayman was looking at Braunbreaker who had just speared both J. Uso and Illinois and was about to do something to see him punk.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think

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[SPEAKER_00]: And he looked at brown breaker after brown breaker then speared Seth Rollins as if it was abject horror like he was it was that that Paul Hayman face of oh my god I can't believe he just did that then brown breaker looks at Bronson Reed and he's like either you're with me or you're with him make your choice Bronson Reed then give Seth Rollins a tsunami splash so he is chosen to go with

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[SPEAKER_00]: and then Paul Hayman at the end of the show holds up both of their hands.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe a little bit he was questionable what he was going to do, but then he decided to raise both of their hands.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So it looks like this new vision or whatever this the name of this faction is, they may rename it, but it is right now Paul Hayman Brownbreaker and Bronson Reed as they laid out Seth Rollins to end the show.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Now, what does that mean?

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[SPEAKER_00]: the why.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The why, of course, is meaningful to us.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Could he be hurt?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Could they be doing a storyline because they are frustrated with ratings and they need to jump start something.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It could be both.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And that is kind of what we're wondering about.

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[SPEAKER_00]: What did you think about when you saw this?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, the first thing I say reminded me a lot of when I think it was when Jacob Fatt to joined the bloodline or either that or it's whenever they turned on Roman.

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[SPEAKER_01]: and Paul Hayman was acting like he didn't know about it and he was in horror and he raised solos hand and like he's like well I better go with him because that guy's out you know that's kind of it was if you look back and watch both of them together it's it's almost the exact same thing so you get the feeling that Hayman is a reluctant you know carry on and he wasn't the master

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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, the, the one thing you didn't mention was, the, this originally started with, um, Braun spearing Seth after he had taken out, uh, night and punk like at ringside, uh, but Braunson looked like he didn't know what was happening either.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then Braun got in his face and said, make a choice now.

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[SPEAKER_01]: you know, like you're either with me or you're with him, make your choice.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then he holds that over the corner and gave him a tsunami.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then they went to Paul and said, now you make your choice.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, who are you with?

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[SPEAKER_01]: So it was very much position like this was all brawn.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And it was a spur of the moment thing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That said,

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[SPEAKER_01]: I can tell you that I felt like this was going to happen as far back as Friday, because well, they aired something on SmackDown and I told you like there's stuff that was happening on SmackDown and they aired it was actually highlights from before SmackDown and it was what they had is a kickoff party and you had Seth Rollins and Paul Hayman get an argument and Seth walked out.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And it was very much like Paul Hayman like this was not a ruse like this was this was like Paul Hayman and Seth Rollins not a green like not in like obviously in storyline but not you know like and then on the paper view.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Basically Seth said I'm doing this on my own state you guys stay in the back and then he beats Cody on his own so my my initial thought was like you told me something happened at the end of the show and I had to watch and I texted right back and I said oh I'm guessing Hayman dump Seth.

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[SPEAKER_01]: because that was what I, where I was expecting this story line to go.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So if Seth heard himself on Saturday, that's awful convenient.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So the herding himself spot that people are, uh, we have some great, uh, Twitter sluths, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So there's a spot in the match against Cody, where he does a coast to coast diving headbutt.

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[SPEAKER_00]: When I saw this move, I was like, why are people still doing this diving headbutt?

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[SPEAKER_00]: It leaves you so open for

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[SPEAKER_00]: a bad landing and we've seen in the past, Chris Benwell, dynamite kid, Harley race, they've all had these crazy injuries, necks and backs and stuff and so why would you open yourself up to do that and if you watched the video, he kind of immediately

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[SPEAKER_00]: protects his shoulder and his arm is it's like there's it you could tell something is going on now maybe he's a great seller or maybe he's really hurt we don't know a hundred percent I would I mean like my where I'm leaning right now as of this recording is that he might be hurt

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[SPEAKER_01]: But he did reference beating Cody with one arm in his promo at the beginning.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I was like, when, what is he talking about?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Because I'm like, like, was there an injury that I missed?

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then of course, I didn't know about this Twitter thing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And he is he's wearing his arm in a sling out after the show.

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[SPEAKER_00]: uh, he's taken photographs with some folks, but that would lead you to believe that this is a work because of the last time he did all of these things with that match where uh, LA night beat him at Saturday night's main event because he heard his knee or whatever.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And we all knew at that point.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, when I watched it, I had already heard about

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[SPEAKER_00]: the thing, and I was like, okay, that looks way more like angled in real injury to me.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Because

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[SPEAKER_00]: the way that the announcers react and everything, but sometimes in at least in today's announcing like it's almost like the announcers don't know anything when they're when they're watching and so they they don't know exactly what to call am I supposed to call it this way, I'm supposed to call it this way, you know, triple H could be in their head said as well, saying call it this way.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So, but when I watched that center in the tournament, I was like, okay, that's angle just because Michael Cole was like so over the top.

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[SPEAKER_00]: right this one I didn't even really see the injury in real time other because I was probably just like so

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[SPEAKER_00]: uh... you know out of my mind that he would actually do this move knowing the history of the century so now where we are is is he hurt is he not it is clear that they pulled the trigger on the brawn breaker thing which i had been saying since they got together like i was like oh this would be a fantastic russomania uh... angle to build to brawn and set but that is also because this is historically what they've done

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[SPEAKER_00]: Dave Batista and Triple H right like leading to that kind of thing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So that was my that was my thought it looked like they were building Roman and Seth though for for WrestleMania for a lot of the the stuff that they were doing I could have bought Brock Lesnar and Seth as well just depending on if they were going to Paul Hayman is going to have both of these guys as the two alphas in this group but if Seth has hurt it is a clear change of direction

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I am happy, I guess, to say, if it is brown breaker getting moved up to the main event slot, they have a very aging main event, men's side, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: All these dudes are in their mid to late 30s are early 40s in Brock's case.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Brock is like late 40s.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So having this on our close to 50.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think

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[SPEAKER_00]: having this new guy who's a young dude is kind of a breath of fresh air to me.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so, but I guess we just have to wait and see, what is the why?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Why did this happen?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Is it because of the injury?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Is it something they've always been trying to do and they just sped it up because of the injury?

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[SPEAKER_00]: If it is a shoulder injury, you know, you're probably talking multiple months for Seth Rollins.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But then again, they did let him

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[SPEAKER_00]: go on television and take a spear and take a tsunami splash with a bad shoulder that would seem like that would hurt like hell.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but but it would hurt, but it wouldn't necessarily damage it anymore, especially if the guys are, you know, trying to protect him in some way.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, it's not going to be fun and you're going to hurt your shoulder, but you probably if it's already

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[SPEAKER_00]: Rotator cuff could be rotator cuff problem.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I have rotator cuff problem.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I know what that feels like.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And that's a kind of thing that yeah, you take, you know, a few weeks off, you know, and maybe you can maybe like maybe he could even make that, you know, Saturn is made of it in November.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's what six weeks away.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's possible, you know, certainly could be back by the rumble and then, you know, setting up for Mania and yeah, but I agree like I if Roman and Seth was the plan and now they're maybe moving to Seth and

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[SPEAKER_01]: you know, like, um, you know, that would be huge for Bonson.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, you know, he's not young, but he's new.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And that's, you know, new is almost as good as young in in some ways.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, I, it does bring up though like where does Brock Lesnar fit in all this because like Brock Lesnar beating John Cena the way that he beat them just makes less and less sense to me after right and let and less there's more to that, but it could just be that

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know what, maybe John and or Brock wanted that match.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe Hunter wanted it, who knows?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, yeah, I mean, they wanted it for ESPN for sure.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, I was a book to it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Why was it booked the way that it was booked?

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's more my question.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, again, at the time, I thought it was because Brock was going to be going for a title, but it doesn't seem to be in the cards anytime soon.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Cody, I mean, Cody's next opponent apparently is going to be juror fat too.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I don't know where that leaves Brock unless, you know, maybe you were a rumble.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, like they hinted at something with Brock, like that whole Hamon promo that everyone hated a couple of weeks ago or a month ago whenever it was like he was talking about Brock in storyline as well as probably behind the scenes, but he was there was a lean to attract the people who were pretty frustrated that brought us back, but it was to set up Cody and Brock at some point.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then, you know, and so I don't know if plans changed or if, you know, that's just on the back burner right now, maybe the idea is that him is going to control both titles at some point or try to.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So you got brawn as the raw champion, Brock is this Smackdown champion, like you could do that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's something they haven't really ever done, you know, have two champions in the same stable, you know, so that that that would be different, but I don't know if I like it, but it would be different.

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[SPEAKER_00]: All right, we'll have to learn more.

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[SPEAKER_01]: This literally happens.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I am leaning towards, you know, I honestly am leaning towards a work, but but I'm not saying it's definitely a work or anything like that, but just the fact that I had this in my head before I ever knew any of this.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So it's kind of like it's not like the John Pollock thing where he was flat out told, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: But but watching the show, you know, and I watch everything.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I, in my mind, I was expecting this.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So the fact that it happened and it was surprising.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And the funny thing is, I will say this to you, you know, I guessed it and then you told me, yeah, but you said it's interesting the way they did it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: and so I'm waiting and I don't know what's going to happen and then there have this this three way and I'm thinking well wait a minute maybe one of the guys in the three way is are they now taking sex spot and there was an interesting thing because Michael Cole was like talking very much putting like positioning Jay Uso as a heal because even when he came out and saved Jimmy he says oh he finally did something for somebody else

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like he said that line, I thought it was weird.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I was almost expecting J use sort of turn heel in that segment at the end.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And it didn't happen.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then I was, well, maybe it's punk.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But no, they did get, they did take a punk too.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I don't think punk is, like, punk's not part of this.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Ellen Knight's definitely not part of this.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He's the pin eater.

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[SPEAKER_01]: J use so, I mean, J use so might, still might be something going on there with J use so.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like I, there's something going on with J use so I don't know what it is.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, it could just be that they're going to reunite the bloodline and but make it like they're they're not really baby faces, but they're not really heals either like I don't I don't like that either, but I mean it seems to me like they're building Roman and Jay and then Jay finally beats Roman to yeah to become the guy I actually thought even maybe a three way

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know Jimmy in that match.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, but then that's just like everyone's always like Jimmy's just there to take the pin But you know like maybe Jimmy gets a win and then it's like, oh, we're gonna elevate Jimmy you so like I don't know about that But be kind of cool if you got elevated the same time that you only came back and they're like a power couple Jay's new character

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[SPEAKER_00]: Is that he's an asshole?

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's like, yeah, yeah, it's the opposite of how he got over.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and he's like, it's almost to the point now where he's like, he's going to the yeets just to like, you know, because he's playing the crowd like a fiddle even though you know what I mean, like before we're used to just do it because he liked to do it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Now it's like, oh, they're cheering for punk.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'll do a yeet and get them to stop.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, what I mean, like it's.

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[SPEAKER_01]: maybe he's just sick of being the eat guy and wants to do some serious.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Now, I will be at SmackDown on Friday more than likely.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know that they will discuss this angle on SmackDown.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They may just wait until raw.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So who knows, but at least I'll be I'll be there live to see the reaction to the current product because the last time, I want to say that the last four times we haven't even been to a SmackDown.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You want to the

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[SPEAKER_00]: they had kind of teased that Brock Lesnar was going to be in the house that he just does a an interview from like his den in Atlanta and people were very mad.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's the last time I was at a SmackDown.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I don't know how many years ago that was.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But I've been to like four or five bras in the past two and a half years and the crowd just got hotter and hotter and hotter and

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[SPEAKER_00]: The second Netflix raw versus this, you know, this random October SmackDown will be interesting to see if the crowd is just as hot or if it's, you know, definitely down from the current heyday or the heyday of earlier this year, you got a good good match drew in fat too.

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[SPEAKER_00]: In fact, he's not Bay Area local, but he is Northern California local and and as well.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know if you go early, but they've been doing some bangers on main event lately.

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[SPEAKER_00]: we'll probably get there early enough.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I thought it was Nathan Fraser in the Andal Dockens last week.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It was awesome.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's just the wood of wood of random match.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Alright, let's, let's stay on the WWE topic and we'll, yeah, we'll end the show with the AEW

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[SPEAKER_00]: AJ Styles and John Cena, they did a match that was maybe the most fan service match I've ever seen on WWE TV in my lifetime.

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[SPEAKER_00]: they had John Cena hit all finishers of his foes, that AJ Styles hit all the finishers of his foes.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He had Michael Cole in his bag because he knew all he was like ex-caliber in the sense that he knew the name of every single move except when AJ hit the dead eye, which was the shoutout to

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[SPEAKER_00]: Uh, the fate, the fade to black from what you'll call the guys in TNA right now.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, uh, Frank, you're exerring.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Frank, you're exerring.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then there was a, this was later in the show.

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[SPEAKER_00]: This was during the Cody and Seth Rollins match, but I think Seth was, no, was it Cody or Seth who hit a vertebraker?

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[SPEAKER_01]: I want to say Cody.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think it was Cody.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Again, I think it's funny because I like I was was that a vertebraker and then they actually called it a vertebraker.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, so Michael Cole called it a goodness.

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[SPEAKER_00]: watch Crown Jewel and you want to know a lot of stuff that happened.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We went through everything.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So that is on the feed, both feeds.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So

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[SPEAKER_00]: this match was like you would rarely see this match in in WWE because they are not what most would consider to be like an indie promotion where you just fan service the fans.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like they really have like a direct thing of what they want to do and in some cases when you have an opportunity to fan service the fans, which is John Cena and Brock Lesnar, they do the

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[SPEAKER_00]: So with this match, AJ Styles and John Cena, there's no storyline anywhere.

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[SPEAKER_00]: AJ is not getting a push though.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think on Raw, they did tease that he's going to get a tag team title shot.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, they announced it actually next next week.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's so dragon league.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So he's he's somewhat tangential, but like not to John Cena, John Cena's also not really in any of these story lines.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's just checking off boxes for matches.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so they decided to lean into this idea of like

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[SPEAKER_00]: Let's really pay tribute to, you know, and use this opportunity to do this kind of fan servicey match.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And when I was watching it, I thought, you know what, this is better than if they just did a straight match or if they tried to redo a match from the mid-2010s.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like I'm glad that they went this way.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And in some cases, I think they went a little bit too far.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And the reason is because

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[SPEAKER_00]: when you had the Australian rule street fight to start the show so nothing but plunder in that match and then you had this match which was kicking out of everyone's finisher and then you had the main event which was not only kick out of finishers but kicking out of avalanche versions of those finishers and then going having to go to a really bad uh... for an object spot to end the match like who's getting knocked out by a watch like that was really silly

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[SPEAKER_00]: But the theme of the show was like, man, nobody can get beat with a normal move and so I'm watching this match going like

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[SPEAKER_00]: I hope they don't do a stunner because Austin's going to say you guys are killing my my finish here by kicking out of the stunner, but at the same time I also knew that people would love this match for what it was because it makes you remember a history of wrestling that you enjoyed.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I guarantee you, you know, probably twice as many people enjoy this current era than enjoyed the timeframe when John and AJ were having matches back then, but it was a

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[SPEAKER_01]: to you if you were watching WWE TV back then which you and I were so not just WWE which which I think it was another reason why it was very much not like WWE because and and this is where like

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[SPEAKER_01]: I hate the term art when it comes to pro wrestling, but I'll use it here.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And different people see different forms of art and they interpret it differently.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And so when I was watching this, and again, this goes back to my feelings about how WWE traditionally does things.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And if you'll remember back in, whenever WrestleMania was that Triple H wrestled sting,

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[SPEAKER_01]: and the match basically became WWE F versus WCW.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That was the theme of the match.

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[SPEAKER_01]: There was kind of the same in my mind as I was watching this one, is it was WWE versus the rest of the wrestling world, that isn't WWE.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so, but they did not specify that in the announce.

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[SPEAKER_01]: No, they did not.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Anyway, which was a failure, I thought.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But this is how I viewed it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So you had John Cena doing the moves of his favorite or greatest opponents.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I did also like the fans at different points would be calling for moves.

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[SPEAKER_01]: and then he had set them up and then if they pop because they knew it was coming.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So he's like the Bray Wyatt and the RKO and the 619 which I think that 619 came out of nowhere.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like they were not expecting to do that and then the fans were chanting, okay, let's do it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then he didn't actually hit it because you know AJ scouted it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, and then AJ was doing, I mean, how can you not scout it when the crowd's calling for it?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Exactly.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, and then AJ was doing the moves of people that he wrestled in like TNA and then also, you know, like, I, and this is how I saw it, the, the dead eye as like a hangman move.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then it was right after he'd done the cocaine a clutch.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So it was like, well, he's a W's doing a world title.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's how I'll do both the finishers and the guys in the match.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, maybe that wasn't it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's how I read it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: that if he does the fade to black for Frankie Cazarian, people are going to think that he's doing the dead eye.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I bet that he's smart enough to know that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And when you position it right after the cooking of clutch, you know, and they call the cooking of clutch.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And the funny thing is is they didn't call the dead eye.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So if they would have said fade to black,

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[SPEAKER_01]: Then it was like, Oh, okay, it's because they're in.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I didn't even think of Caesarian when I don't think of Caesarian either.

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[SPEAKER_01]: No, but when Michael Cole was calling every move under the sun and all of a sudden won't say that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I was like, Oh, okay.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Just don't you call that move.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so yeah, it was like so I was enjoying myself like so much the funny thing is like I didn't watch I watched the show like super late.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, I think I started watching it just before midnight my time On Saturday because it was a really busy day and I had people texting me during the day like what do you think a CNN agent?

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[SPEAKER_01]: What do you think a CNN agent?

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm like I haven't watched it And then you got let me know what you think when you watch it

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[SPEAKER_01]: And one of the people who is more of an AW fan, but he does dip his toe in WWE occasionally.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And you know, I'm a dean.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm a dean.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And he was one of them.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And he, I'm pretty sure he didn't listen to your show with Kila because he was, he watched it late as well.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But he made the comment to me that it was like a love letter to pro wrestling.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And that's the exact phrase that Kila used in the

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We don't often see wrestling matches like this.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like it was, it was, if it's a love letter to pro wrestling, you would think that the match would have been a little bit more serious and a little bit more instinctual and

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[SPEAKER_00]: less planned.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like that's what I didn't like about that comment when people said that comment.

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[SPEAKER_00]: If you said a love letter to their opponents, that makes more sense to me.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But a love letter to pro wrestling, I think the thing that I didn't like about that match,

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[SPEAKER_00]: was that it was not really pro wrestling the way that I see pro wrestling.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And that's totally fair.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And if you didn't like the match and that's the reason.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I liked it by the way.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I like it by the way.

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[SPEAKER_01]: If you didn't like that part of the match, I can totally understand it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And if people, you know, like I'll be honest, like I rated, I have this rate as my favorite match of the year.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I've watched, I'm getting up to almost 3000 right now.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to pass 3000 sometime this week.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And it was my favorite.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's, in my opinion, for my tastes and for my enjoyment, I like it better than Gabe Kitten, Kenny Omega, although that is second.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And if you want to talk pure traditional pro wrestling, that was probably the best one.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Although I guess there's pro wrestling fans that would watch that and wouldn't like it because of some of the things they did.

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[SPEAKER_01]: On point,

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[SPEAKER_01]: I literally screamed and I woke up my wife and she said, what's wrong?

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm sorry.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm watching wrestling match.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It was like one-third in the morning and it's like, I rarely react to stuff like that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And it wasn't like a scream like,

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like I'll scream in like I will aspirate match when I think he killed himself like it wasn't like that it was just I was so happy and excited and just loving what I was watching and that's where that's a motion with so the amount of wrestling that I watch I almost never feel like that and I felt like that on this match and it's to the point now we're like.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm almost seriously considering voting John Cena for wrestler of the year, like the Lutherans award, not, you know, the most outstanding because the knock against him would have been, oh, the match quality isn't there.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But he's had quite a few like really good matches now and he's got the business and this whole year has been about John Cena.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, you know, you can't look at 2025 and not think it's the year of Cena.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's a good reminder.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think I like the

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[SPEAKER_00]: Sure, and it was it's kind of to your point that there are some good matches that he's and he had a great one with punk to right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think If I was solid it was you know, it was it was solid, but he had hit that level yet for right and then so well I'm stein of late.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm leaving it open because I think he's got two left and it's Dominic and Gunther probably and I think that Dominic perhaps could be fantastic in San Diego and it might be more like this too where he didn't do the Eddie spot he's gonna do the Eddie spot in against Dominic like there will be there will be a lot of stuff like that I think the reason why

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[SPEAKER_00]: the dominant stuff in the match on raw, where he puts the hammer in, you know, he uses the hammer, then puts it in the boot, hits 619.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think all of that stuff is a set up to this scene of match, so that scene of sees that stuff coming and kind of outsmarts it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then maybe for Gunther, maybe he just has one last great match.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like not none of the like because Gunther me well Gunther will say stuff in the promos This isn't gonna be a tribute match.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You're not gonna be doing you know like any reference of all you You're gonna you're gonna be in a fight and you know like something like that and Gunther's great promo So I think that last match could be great and if he has if he closes it out with two great matches I think he gets my vote, you know and I don't think I'll be the only one maybe I will I don't care it's my vote

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I think the one thing in this may even plan to your point as far as how important he's been this year is the reason why they can get away with this is because of John Cena's longevity and his star power.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Correct.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The reason why I said this reminds me of an indie match is because sometimes when you'd go to indie matches and there was a relationship between the two wrestlers and they may do moves from yesterday year or they may do each other's finisher or they may do.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Superstar WWE finisher's because then the crowd starts popping like crazy.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's why I said it reminded me of an indie match because sometimes you'll get that you'll get these like Oads to the little salsa and start doing WWE spots out of nowhere for no reason because they're also watching that stuff.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Obviously, but you can't you can get away with that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: If you're John Cena and AJ Styles

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[SPEAKER_00]: You couldn't get away with that if you were just like a random wrestler, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: They gave people no, no, you threw it and they'd be, oh, this is a bunch of copycats, but it's John Cena doing it and people think it's like the greatest thing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So.

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[SPEAKER_01]: What one thing too is that they set this up as well.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And we didn't mention this, but before the match, John Cena does his typical, you know, like Alicia Taylor will do, you know, the greatest of all time never seen on scene 17, whatever.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Then he hands her piece of paper and it's AJ's and an intern, and I thought that was really cool.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And it set up what they were gonna do because he called himself the epitome of total nonstop action, the ace of the bullet club.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So he's referencing everything he did outside of WWE.

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[SPEAKER_01]: and then they had the match.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So that was the other reason why I was thinking the way I was thinking.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Now there's been matches like this before.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think like Finn Baller had one or Furgle Devitt at the time and I might have been a bit of a Kenny Omega or somebody where they did, they did moves of people that previously been in the Bullet Club.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then there was one they didn't TNA, where they were doing, they was Josh Alexander, and might have been Will Osprey, where they were doing moves up all the previous TNA world champions.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So, you know, we've seen matches like this before, and this was just the WWE version of it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: All right, let's move on to all elite wrestling and there's a pay per view this weekend.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I think my take on this show is similar to my take on a lot of these shows, which is they are really hitting it out of the park by with their current audience.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like their current audience is super happy with the product.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You can just tell by all the,

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[SPEAKER_00]: That, you know, the reviews of the pay per views and everyone says, oh, you know, show the ear and I watch it and I go, it's just like just like the last show that I watched, just with different guys, but they are, they are really leaning into this fan base.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so, you know, we had this test last, last time, where they go heads up against Russ Plusa, or at least same day.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And we were wondering, are they going to take a hit in the buys or they're going to

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[SPEAKER_00]: and they didn't, they actually outperformed what I think most people's expectations were.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So now they're back.

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[SPEAKER_00]: No WWE competition.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Russell dream.

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[SPEAKER_00]: In St.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Louis, there's not a lot of people that are going to be going to the show, at least compared to the last few AEW shows, paper views.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm thinking like, man, I could do for like another four weeks without having

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I don't, but the, here's the thing, I am not NAW sicko.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't live or die for these shows.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So that just might be someone who watches a bunch of different stuff, versus someone who's just watching a, W television though, like, you know what?

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm ready.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm ready for another pay per view.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Where do you sit with this one?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Where I sit is like I like you.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think it doesn't feel like they're ready to have a paper view yet and a lot of these matches feel like.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like it's all stuff we've seen before almost like other than.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Joe and Hangman and Chris that line are Tony Storm, the two world title matches, which I'm not sure if Paige and Joe have ever wrestled.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I know we have a big part of the build to start learning stormers that they've never wrestled.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Except they actually did both wrestle on the last paper view against each other.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It was just a four way, not a singles match.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then there's another single's match that are the other two people that were in that four way.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So, and then we have like two matches that are direct rematches from that show.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We have another one that's a rematch from Dynamite.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We have another one that is the fifth match that these two have had in the last year, Kyle Fletcher, Mark Briscoe.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, so it's, and Darby Allen, John Moxley were, you know, have wrestled a bunch of times.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So it's like, it's just matches that, oh, crap, we got a paper view.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Let's just do, we'll just keep some programs going that are already going.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But where, it doesn't feel like anything's advancing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It definitely doesn't feel like Wrestle Dream is a destination.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It feels like it is a, um, it is some, it is, uh, fork in the road.

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[SPEAKER_01]: wrote to full gear or wrote to the continental classic, you know, or wrote to blood and gut.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, I was thinking about was if they if they said this was a max special instead of actually calling it a paper view, I would feel way different about the show.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, or like, yeah, and I'll bet you if you ask, you know, because, you know, these A, W fan, and I, I don't, that's the wrong way to put it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The hardcore A, W fans that really are super into the product that you're at.

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[SPEAKER_00]: By the way, we watch, you watch as much A, W programming even more so than the sickles that we're talking about.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Correct.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You're just not as head over heels with the product as the circles that we're talking about.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And my thing that is, I think if you ask them and they say, look, how much he looked into for a Dressel dream and there's one person that I won't say his name because I don't want to throw one of the buzzer anything, but he'd be like, I'm at a 10.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, like he's at a 10 for every show.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But if you ask them, which is a great place to be at if you're a wrestling fan, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Every every paper view, you're so excited.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You can't wait.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's fantastic.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But if you asked him or anybody else to say, okay, put these events that are coming up in the order of how much you're looking forward to them, the women's blood and guts match, the continental classic, full gear and wrestle dream.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Where does wrestle dream fall on your list?

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[SPEAKER_01]: And if they're being honest, they're going to say fourth.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, you know what I mean?

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I think even Tony Khan would say fourth, because the other things, oh, and the women's tag titles are another one that, you know, like everyone's talking about, which we don't even know how if when why, where that's happening, but it's happening.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And there's built to it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, like Russell dream to me feels like, oh, it's the week that we have to have a paper view.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So here we go.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm sure the good, I would say, like, I bought this paper view as part of a bundle with the last show.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I, and I said this book, there's no way I would pay for this paid with you.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like if I hadn't already bought it on a bundle, but I got, I paid 35 bucks for two shows.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I'm going to watch it and I'll probably enjoy it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But it is also a bit of a referendum for them.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like if this, this shows better, better be good.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I, I mean, no, I'm going to say nothing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I didn't think all out was that good.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I know a lot of people loved it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It was, I thought it was, I thought it was, yeah, I thought it was a good show.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, you know, I gave it, I would give it like a sea.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, you said B, okay, like, and where's I would give like crown jewel like a B plus like I thought it was really good, whereas and then you know the rest of the blues I gave like I give six out of 10, some people say that's a D in my mind, I was thinking to see you know, it gives an average show was, you know, certainly not worthy of paying 30 bucks, certainly not worthy of the debut on ESPN as, you know, you're quick to point out and and this too, like this is their second show now in HBO Max.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, you know, it's a high profile platform, you're asking people to pay a lot of money to watch it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You better put on a good show.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, here's so I had this comment on resting observer radio last Friday.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Dave was talking about.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, Davis, Dave, at least to me, Dave overuses the phrase great match, Dave has made the term great match to me at least mean average match because my, in my opinion, if everything is great, then nothing really stands out, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: If it's just the bottom line, everything is great.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So we were talking about dynamite and he's, I think he, I forget, even forget what he said,

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[SPEAKER_00]: If I knew nothing about either guy, if I did not follow a W television and I sat down to watch the match, I would think that match was awesome.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But I know everything about both guys, I know everything about AEW storylines and I couldn't have been further from being disinterested in that match because I knew it was going to happen.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And he said,

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well yeah, that's, you know, that's me and every rustling match.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I go yes, I go yes, but you are unique in that this is what you really like.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I don't like that as much as you do.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And he said, Well, WWE is the same.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I said, yes, but their guys are over.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And he said, but the wrestling isn't over.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I said, yeah, because they're just waiting to fast forward to the last three minutes of the match, because they know that's all that matters and the same thing with a W but I don't care like for the most part.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So that is the difference.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Go ahead.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, I, it was, it's perfect because it's like I have a friend that is super in the WWE and can't watch a W. And I had a conversation with them.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I, I hope I didn't tell you the story.

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[SPEAKER_01]: No, I know I told this to Jeff, but he says a W just discussed to me.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm like, oh, you know, so in my head, I'm thinking he's thinking about, like, let's go in the blood and I bring that no, no, no, that's how I'm talking about.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And he says what I'm talking about is you see a guy comes out and he's obviously a big star.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe he's a champion.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then you see the next guy come out and I don't even know who he is.

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[SPEAKER_01]: or maybe I do know who he is and I don't think he's nothing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then they go out there and they wrestle for like 15 minutes.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm like, get to the point.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like this is what he's saying.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So he's like, yeah, the breast thing's good, but I don't care.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And why are you wasting my time when I know that the guy's gonna win?

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[SPEAKER_01]: So in the match you're talking about, it's Kylo Riley.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like I know he's not gonna win.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Just give me that match for five minutes and then let him kind of promo.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like that's what I wanna see.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm guessing that this is my friend talking.

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[SPEAKER_01]: me, I like good wrestling.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I kind of want to see both.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But I do say like there's a lot of these matches where like I'll watch them in like the swirl or something, you know, I can't throw up.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think what a lot of wrestling fans feel is that I am smart and thus you are giving me a match that is almost a little bit of like disrespect to my pro wrestling intelligence.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like you were supposed

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[SPEAKER_00]: WWE sometimes kind of makes fun of their own fan base sometimes for getting behind stuff you guys should be better than that and so to that i and i'd definitely understand that because like you said it's really about a time commitment and if you're going to pretend something is important

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[SPEAKER_00]: and try and sell me on the importance.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I know when I get to the end of this match, it's going to be exactly what I thought at the beginning.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Then the next time this happens, that tells me, okay, I don't really have to care that much.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so, you know, and it's you each their own when it comes to that stuff.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And if you want me to take Kyle O'Reilly and Kyle Fletcher seriously, maybe don't do a promo segment right before the match where Kyle O'Reilly ends the promo by going must kill Kyle, must kill Kyle, you know, like right away, you're telling me, oh, this guy's an idiot.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I told Dave this and he had an answer for it, but I said, oh, if Kyle O'Reilly had one,

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[SPEAKER_00]: three matches in a row.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And he said it was his campaign to get this match with Kyle Fletcher because he, you know, he owes him one.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Then at least that would be a little bit more invested seeing that, okay, they're putting something behind Kyle to get him set up for this match.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then Dave said, well, you know, a lot of things are very last minute these days.

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[SPEAKER_00]: and they just wanted to have a match where people could chant, cough or whatever, and so to me, when I see that, I go, okay, it's not that important, and I can move on.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But maybe to the AW fan base, they just care that they're going to be entertained in that match.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And that is not entertaining to me.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So it's just a difference of, yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And the argument to this is going to be, it's all elite wrestling.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So everybody that wrestling in this company is elite.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So there shouldn't be any squashes.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And you know, a lot of people feel like that and if that's your mentality going in, then yeah, that you probably want to have, you don't want to see squash matches or maybe the occasional one, but it should be if it is all elite.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, there should be a level of excellence for your champions.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And maybe if Kyle O'Reilly is the number 15th contender for this title, there should be more of a discrepancy 100%.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So, it's just, you know, it's just what you like.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But let's quickly get back to Russell Dream.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So, yeah, you were talking about the matches.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so, I was thinking from the perspective of,

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[SPEAKER_00]: what, which of these matches am I really concerned about when it comes to who's going to win?

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[SPEAKER_00]: So let's start at the top.

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[SPEAKER_00]: John Moxley, Darby Allen.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't care.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I don't think they care that much.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think they just know that it's going to be a skeptical of or a spectacle of blood and guts and chaos and what are these guys going to do next.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That is what the smatches.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean, it feels like Darvey's got to win one of these at some point.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So, but he's also the same guy who just went making the rounds at the media saying,

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, there were people who cared too much about winning and losing, which is why they're locker room sucked or whatever, right now, or who just didn't want to lose or whatever.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I don't know that that that that that that that may be a tell.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Singles for the A W World Championship.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Hangman page.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Samoa Joe.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Unless hangman page is injured like Seth Rollins, there's no way Samoa Joe's winning this match thus.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We're just in it for good wrestling, I guess.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And there's no reason why you would put the world title on

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and Somo Joe is such a pro, he will do his best, hangman will do his best to make you believe this match really matters.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And maybe they will get me at some point, but looking at it on paper, they have not gotten me on the build.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They've not gotten me in any way yet.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So maybe it will just be there just excellent wrestlers in that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's what will get me for this match.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I will say, I am intrigued with Chris Dattlander and Tony Storm.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's probably too early to put the belt back on Tony Storm.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So that is also part of the intrigue.

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[SPEAKER_00]: How to stat beat her?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Tony is a giant superstar for them.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So they're probably going to be very careful and very creative as far as how this thing finishes.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But I think this program does mean something because

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[SPEAKER_00]: The prior match that they had, it was a little flookie.

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[SPEAKER_00]: A cristat letter wants to prove that this was not a flu.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I can actually beat you.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So there is some meaning behind this match.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I agree, and I've been, I was not in favor of Statliner winning the title, but I have been in favor of pretty much everything they've done since she won the title.

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[SPEAKER_01]: With the exception, I don't particularly care for her new entrance video, but that's pretty minor.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Jurassic Express versus the young bucks in the $500,000 cash prize, if it was not the young bucks and Jack Perry in this match, I would be looking for a fast forward bud.

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[SPEAKER_01]: If it wasn't the young bucks and Jack Perry just because I like those guys.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, I was going to say, because then it would just be luchisaurus and of course I don't like luchisaurus.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I know that's okay.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But like the stipulation is some of the dumbest shit that I hate.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like the idea that Tony Khan is going to give one of these teams 500 grand.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like one of the teams, the young box, he has spent the last three months making fun of in storyline, you know, like not giving them pyro, making them pay for their own things, making them pay other people's purses, all this stuff.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Now all of a sudden he's gonna give them 500 grand, which is the most that they've ever given for a tag team match, by the way.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then the other team has a guy that tried to kill him.

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[SPEAKER_01]: in storyline and never apologize, never, you know, never did anything to, like, what's the word, like, to like make himself better, like to to make light of the, like he isn't that anything to turn baby face or anything other than show up with his music.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And so yeah, this, the match is going to be, you know, three quarters great, but other than that, like yeah, it's dumb.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I was, I was thinking about this like Jack Perry, Kenny Omega, and the Youngbucks.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There is like a story there that they'd been telling.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Could they have done a worse job bringing the storyline back into the television program?

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think they could have done a worse job, no, like if you, I mean, especially when you consider the way that they, they had

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[SPEAKER_01]: what they did with Kenny Omega after his last match.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'll just say like that was just especially in hindsight is mind boggling.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The fact that you did that, you had them attack by a drawty and then you never even mentioned on drawty the next week on TV and it's like it never happened and then where's Kenny and all this?

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[SPEAKER_01]: And now you know you mentioned this and maybe you don't even know I think you know Kenny Omega and Jack Perry are teaming up on Dynamite.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I heard about that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The very least, the one good thing that came out of this was, and it's funny because I watched this, and then immediately after I watched it, I listened to your fight game podcast with John the Rocker, and you said, I want him to say to Jack Perry, I don't believe any of your shit.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And he actually said that those words.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, he's like, yeah, he's like, I don't care why you're here.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't believe your shit.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You took me out and and the thing is he didn't even apologize for it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He said, I'm really sorry, Kenny for what happened to your friends.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Thank you.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Look that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm like, you got to be trolling me, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: By the way, yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The codobushi thing I can't believe they showed that on TV.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I was flabbergasted when I saw that and and the funny thing is is the whole match leading up to it like it was not good and you could tell like coda was not moving very well like I don't know if he's hurt going in or what but yeah like they and then oh John is going to have a field day with this if he saw I don't think he saw it well you got to make a watch it because

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[SPEAKER_01]: He goes out of the ring and Bryce Rensberg counts to 10.

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[SPEAKER_01]: and takes his time.

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[SPEAKER_01]: This match is over like there's no reason, but Bryce had to get his shit in and count to 10 and make sure it is.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's it, that's it, that's it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, like this is just called them after there's yeah, it was it was so bad.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I hope he's okay.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I saw the tweet or the Instagram post or whatever he did.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's either a retirement post or something says coming back.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not sure which.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think we're going to be seeing them for a while.

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[SPEAKER_00]: All right, let's get through the last few matches here, Kyle Fletcher, Mark Brisco.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm in.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm in on that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, but again, it's the fifth match they've had.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think Brisco should win.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm hoping he can win.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think he could win.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So, but if lecture wins, I wouldn't be surprised either.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So, yeah, I don't know what's going to happen in that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I wonder if MJF comes back in interferes in some way.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Feels early, but it's possible.

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[SPEAKER_00]: uh... brodito versus uh... ocata and to catch it up i'm kind of in the middle on this like i think it'll be good i like i'm but i'm not super interested in either team right now um... and by the way i haven't watched the new Japan show so i don't know anything about the main event of that show so i well it's a good idea it's another rematch that i mean just happened this week on dynamite i'm leaning to i'm almost wondering if that bandito injury was a work now

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like I think that's what people thought.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's what Dave, I mean hinted at on the thing, by the way, that's CML, I'll match, I watch it because they put it on ROH.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It was a good match, but there's no weird near match of the year.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know what people were talking about.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The first match was way better and I didn't even think that was match the equality, but this one was there's a four-and-a-quarter star match.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Jamie.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Jamie Hayter and Techla.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think this is fine to kind of kickstart the feud feels more like how a w would do a TV match.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, well, the funny thing here is you say kickstart a feud like these two have been going at it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I can't remember the last time we had a singles match on an AWP review with women that didn't involve a title.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, or like a major storyline, like this is kind of a mind story line.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I mean, it is the center of the blood and gut's feud.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So, you know, in that sense, it is a major storyline.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But, you know, so I think the last one was Chris Thatlaner Willow.

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[SPEAKER_01]: where they, I think it was a table's match or something that they had it all out last year.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So they could add a step to this one and then it would be very much like that Willow stat.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But it's good for both these women and I got to say like I'm super into Tecla.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's, that's the intrigue here is to see if she can continue raising her game.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think she should be the one to beat Stattlander.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, I don't know when, but you know, probably maybe like revolution like that, that would feel

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then the last match, at least on the main card, is the Hertz and the kid against the demand.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We've seen it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, we saw like a no decubers in this on Dynamite, and now we're just seeing it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And now it's just a straight match.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And they wrestle on the last paper view, too.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So this is their third match in a month.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yep.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, this feels like, you know, a special episode of Dynamite, really.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, like I said, if it was like a max special, I'd be completely fine with it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It just doesn't feel like a paper view.

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[SPEAKER_00]: to spend 50 bucks.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But I say that as someone who's not going spend 50 bucks.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm probably going to watch it at Dave's house.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So it's just what it really is is whether or not it's worth my four and a half hours of time away from my family.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's what it is to me.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, yeah, four and a half hours.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That is the key at this point.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And at least I don't think there's anything else going on this coming weekend.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So there's probably you'll see, but you know, but the baseball playhouse

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[SPEAKER_00]: All right, that is it from here for Paul.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm double G. We'll see you next week.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Peace out.