Semler Interview: The Story Behind the "Chyna" Song & WWE Legacy | Powerbombshells

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[SPEAKER_03]: Hi everyone, this is Sam Ship and from Power Bombshells and you're listening to an exclusive interview for myself and Mel Gray.

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[SPEAKER_03]: We interviewed independent artists similar about their song, China, and we talked about why China should be indebted into the WWE Hall of Fame solo and much more.

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[SPEAKER_03]: We hope that you enjoy the interview and you can check us out on days at one PM Eastern time on the 5-game media YouTube channel.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Hey everybody, welcome to a special interview with the Power Bombshells.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I am Sam, that is no, we're generally just too broad talking about the wrestling we watch, but today we have a very special guest.

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[SPEAKER_03]: We have somewhere with us today who, if you are not familiar with their music, they have a really great song called China.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And obviously, it's about the night, what are the world who,

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[SPEAKER_03]: is one of the greatest female wrestlers of all time.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I will just, I think that's a given.

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[SPEAKER_03]: If you watched any time during her run on TV, and I think you've probably heard Mel and I talk about her on this show before, and we talked about how she should be in the WWE Hall of Fame on her own.

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[SPEAKER_03]: She certainly has the merit and the reasons that she's kept out

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[SPEAKER_03]: stupid.

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[SPEAKER_03]: It's the nicest way to say this.

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[SPEAKER_03]: But yes, so we have similar here to talk to us about their song about China and about some other things.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And so welcome to the show.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Thank you so much for having me.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And as this is a wrestling podcast, if they have not, I know that you did the video essay, which is great, because I watched it and it's wonderful.

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[SPEAKER_03]: For the people who have not seen your video essay, talk to us about how you became a wrestling fan.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I'm pretty much a fan of all this stuff that I wasn't allowed to really engage in when I was growing up in a religious household.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I rediscovered it as an adult.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I guess it's a little bit of wondering why it was forbidden.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I love horror movies.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I love professional wrestling.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I really, I always was interested in professional wrestling, but it was around like 20, 23 or 22 when we got the peacock app and they had

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[SPEAKER_00]: all the like archives of I mean you could I could basically watch everything that I wasn't allowed to as as though it were airing in real time and I just started doing that while I was folding laundry around the house and I think that the omission of China in any of the highlights was what's.

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[SPEAKER_00]: sparked my interest because I really remember seeing her and how big of a fixture she was and how larger than life she was at the time.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I hear about her on the playground.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So even though I wasn't allowed to watch professional wrestling, I totally knew about China.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So it was weird when I was trying to tap back into that interest.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I remember being like, wait, where's China?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like scrolling through like, how come she's not here?

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[SPEAKER_00]: And that is what sent me down a rabbit hole that

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think I'm better for, but you know, sort of like broke my heart because I didn't know where her story had landed.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There was a lot that I didn't know.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And the uncovering of it, it's both been incredible to encounter a new community of people and wrestling fans.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And also, it's just deeply sad about her omission.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And you know, I think that where her legacy

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[SPEAKER_03]: absolutely and that's you know a really I think frustrating is probably the most accurate term because you know especially for even those who watch her in real time and then to actively see her be erased from from WWE is really heartbreaking and it's

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[SPEAKER_03]: It's unfair and it's unfortunate, especially where we see women's wrestling today, a lot of them would not be able to do the things that they were doing without, you know, without China, which obviously your song reflect on, but tell us about like your fandom about China and like how you, you felt so strongly about China that you wanted to write a song about her.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Within my friend group, I'd been talking about China.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, it was, I probably almost like a game among my friends of like how long into this dinner party until like Greece.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I'd really like to China very much like, man, this is a chillies.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'd be like, well, she was the first intercontinental champion.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so my friends were kind of saying, I think you should probably write about this because writing songs in music is such an outlet for me.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I remember a friend saying, you have to write about China.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like you just have to write a song about this.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I was like, how would that even work?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like I've been a Christian artist processing my deconstruction, like that doesn't even make sense.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then one day I was lifting weights, which I think is so,

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[SPEAKER_00]: funny.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I was like lifting weights outside and I don't lift frequently.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I wish I lifted more but I just happened to be exercising that day.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And the chorus kind of happened at me, just the full chorus and I was like shoot.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think I like that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think I should follow that thread.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then from that point I knew, okay, I wrote this song, I'd like it, uh, it's almost worse if you like it because you write a lot of songs if you're a songwriter and you don't like them all.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I like that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I'm like, I'm going to have to follow this through how can I honor the intelligence of the fan base that I've been so fortunate to have already found and bring them with me on this journey because I wasn't talking about it online.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It was just with my friends that I had had this like deep fascination.

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[SPEAKER_00]: and appreciation for this person's legacy and work.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I was like, I got, this is going to be the weirdest vibe shift.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know how to do this.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I thought that if I could put it in a video essay form, as though we were, you know, grabbing a drink, having a bite or something, and I'm like, okay, I'm going to tell you about this.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then there's a song coming out rather than just releasing the song.

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[SPEAKER_00]: really putting this song on an album would be so strange.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I'm I really want to give it this moment because I'm so thankful for the attention and energy that fans have given me and I wanted to like invest in that further of like listen we're we're probably going to meet some new people but please stick with me like we're going like we're going in the direction as well.

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[SPEAKER_03]: All right.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And you're speaking out of the video video essay, which is really great if you follow if you've checked out similar YouTube, you can find the video essay there.

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[SPEAKER_03]: about 33 minutes long but it just flies by and just see I was watching it and like of course I knew all of this stuff but it just listening to it again just made me angry because of everything that happened and it just it's so frustrating to see the things and I thought it was I thought the way you approached it was really great were you talking about like the three like the main characters

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[SPEAKER_03]: Triple H, Paula Vick and physics man who you described as RuPaul and that WWE was his drag race and you got to decide who stayed and who's actually to weigh and I laughed out loud I was like oh this is a great because obviously you were describing wrestling to and to your fan base and for people who aren't really like that's a really recently traumatized queer people I'm like, let's try it out next time you don't know who this guy is

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[SPEAKER_03]: Exactly.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And so I thought, well, this is actually a really great, you know, comparison and that people will understand they're like, okay, I get it.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And I think that your disdain for Paula Beckham.

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[SPEAKER_03]: very similar to mine.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Probably I don't want to speak for Mila, but probably Mila, and yes, it's definitely.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Probably many people who are watching the show and who are wrestling fans probably have very similar to staying for Apollo Vekpur.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Multiple reasons, and I think a lot of it did start with his treatment of China and of Joni Lauer.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Well, obviously, as her as the person, but also China as the wrestler, it's kind of obviously

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[SPEAKER_03]: and the rest of the WWE are erasing it as Joni Lauer herself and all of the things that she did for this company.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And so how has the response been from your fan base who have not, you know, maybe we're familiar with China.

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[SPEAKER_03]: What kind of and have followed your music, obviously, like you said, your music is a lot different than the China, but I think it's something that people can relate to.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So how is that reaction from your own fan base then?

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[SPEAKER_00]: very at first it was surprising I think I was like I can't believe this song is doing well.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I can't I just really thought you know releasing it in December on the holidays like what or you know I really was okay with it being a passion project for me and I had pitched it to the producers I worked but then it might be that you know I didn't know if it was going to be part of a larger body of work and I was like maybe I'll just put out China and just see what happens and and that will feel like I I

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[SPEAKER_00]: contributed artistically to honoring her in the way that I could.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But then the momentum it had when I take a step back and I think of the shows and the tours that we've been able to do and the people have gotten to meet it shows like of course like I never should have underestimated for a minute the type of people who have found my music I'm totally independent so you don't find me because I'm being like shoved on your throat on the radio.

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[SPEAKER_00]: like, your algorithm is some, is spices a certain way or you've heard about me through word of mouth and I'm very fortunate that those people, most of the time are very like-minded.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I think that when I was like, hey, there's this person who's this unsung hero, who's this outsider, who challenged authority, who challenged gender norms and I'm gonna kind of ride for her for a minute here.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, for the rest of my life, but specifically, I'm gonna concentrate a lot of energy around this song and they responded just totally in step.

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[SPEAKER_00]: didn't know who she was before and like hell yeah can't wait to hear the song live like let's all get our phones out and light up the venues and I'm just so excited and so thankful and extremely proud and honored by the people who have invested in my music over the years that like we have that that trust and that's something I really really want to respect and take seriously.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Absolutely.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And what do you, obviously, the song, obviously, the song is about, you know, how she's not in the Hall of Fame solo.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And, you know, I know that people have in the comments, I'm like, oh, she's in the Hall of Fame because she's in with the X.

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[SPEAKER_03]: It's not the same, not the same at all.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And the reason for her not being in there solo are, I mean, I think we, we've talked about it on this show more than once, but

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[SPEAKER_03]: Paul of X reasoning is because of the post WWE things she did, even though the person who the other person who was in that video is in the Hall of Fame.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So there's that.

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[SPEAKER_03]: But then also at this point, because he said, I don't want my kids to Google her and see these things.

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[SPEAKER_03]: However, now in the 2026, we know that they can easily Google their grandfather and find out way worse things.

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[SPEAKER_03]: That's how I think he needs to.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Maybe revisit that.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And then I know that Stephanie and Stephanie McMahon had AJ Lee, I believe they AJ Lee on her podcast, and they mentioned China.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And they spoke glowingly of her.

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[SPEAKER_03]: But it still

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[SPEAKER_03]: that it's just performative, that they're not actually going to follow through with that.

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[SPEAKER_03]: But what do you hope that this song accomplishes?

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[SPEAKER_00]: I really do hope that it can create or contribute to some momentum towards her having a huge celebratory polyfane induction.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think that that would be, I think that fans would just

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[SPEAKER_00]: be so excited.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And it's like also not just die hard fans.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think the casual fan, the people in my life who like, like, oh, yeah, I knew who China was.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, always thought she was cool.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Grace is obsessed with her.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, that's what they know.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They'd be like, oh, my gosh.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, they finally did it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They put her in the Hall of Fame.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, that would just be such this sort of this feel good moment of there's so many things that are so wrong and broken in the world as it stands today.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm not trying to say that like,

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[SPEAKER_00]: China getting in the hall of fame is at the same tier or echelon as some of the atrocities that were witnessing in this country and also across the world, but it's just this sense of injustice that feels so niche and small enough that maybe if our voices were loud enough within this community and within and because China's presence was so outside that they're you could get an internet swell of people who know her, you know, it's not like people don't know

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like Bianca Belair is awesome.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Rarely crossed over somewhat, you know, sky.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But for the most part, like a lot of wrestlers, very niche, China because she was the first.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like people thought she was like a real life superhero.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: She is.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I know she said this and interviews towards the end of her life.

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[SPEAKER_00]: She's part of the fabric of Americana.

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[SPEAKER_00]: She absolutely is.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I think having that moment could be this like cathartic celebration.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And people are like, well, who would even be there?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Because she's dead.

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[SPEAKER_00]: like AJ Lee, think about all the women who reference her and speak highly of her.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's just so beyond time.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It feels like this, it feels like a...

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[SPEAKER_00]: It just feels so within reach.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I think that's sort of why I was frustrated when I wrote the song.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, I can't believe they won't do this.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So that everything else that feels impossible that we can't help.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So far.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There's this one thing that would just sort of put a button on this person's story, who was done so wrong by so many.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Not that it makes anything right retroactively, but just some sort of acknowledgement of you know what we were wrong, you were worth it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You did this.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, I still get like emotional when I talk about it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: No, but no, that you listen.

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[SPEAKER_03]: That's you are, you are, you're emotional.

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[SPEAKER_03]: You are, you are, you are, you are, you are, you are, you are, you are, you are, you are, you are, you are, you are, you are, you are, you are, you are, you are, you are, you are, you are, you are, you are, you are, you are, you are, you are, you are, you are, you are, you are, you are, you are, you are, you are, you are, you are, you are, you are, you are, you are, you are, you are, you are, you are, you are, you are, you are, you are, you are, you are, you are, you are, you are, you are, you are, you are, you are, you are, you are, you are

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[SPEAKER_03]: who was known, even if you weren't watching a wrestling, you knew who she was.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And even before she was doing the reality show, she was just everywhere.

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[SPEAKER_03]: She was on the covers of Magazine.

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[SPEAKER_03]: She was doing TV appearance.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So she was on MTV.

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[SPEAKER_03]: She was doing all of these things that, you know, we don't, I mean, we do see more of now.

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[SPEAKER_03]: But like for a woman, there she was.

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[SPEAKER_03]: There was not a woman in reference.

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[SPEAKER_01]: She stood out during the era, had a two-dera no less.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I was like she did stand out and she stood at an in a time where there was so many stars and it was not easy for women to stand out and I mean that's even people that I know I know for me I was fairly new to wrestling and that was something I latched on to because she was this serious wrestler amongst the women and it wasn't their fault obviously because booking.

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[SPEAKER_01]: However, like the one that was out there doing the things that she was doing where I was like, I don't want to see the girly wrestling as it were at, you know, for lack of a better way of putting it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But China was like, this isn't for real athlete.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And it's someone who played sports.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I was a lifelong soccer player.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So it was like other ladies in the spotlight.

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[SPEAKER_01]: At that time was really exciting because I mean, that was the same kind of like the one in soccer team was becoming really big and I was the sort of Yeah, the USA team.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so like that trying and you had team.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So there was like this big like at the sort of the mid to late 90s there was that ground swell of like.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And then you also have like five girls as well like that we're preaching like girl power and things like that that had that so in that kind of whole sphere they were all kind of in the pop culture since anyway, you know, they were making a lot of waves and China obviously absolutely was and then, you know, of course, she did do some reality TV so that and introduced her to a whole.

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[SPEAKER_03]: new group of people who were not familiar.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Maybe had heard of her name, but didn't watch wrestling and so now, she was doing some, you know, she was doing some other things.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And so I think that she is, I think people for, sometimes forget how,

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[SPEAKER_03]: how big she was in pop culture, especially maybe some of the younger, younger fans, particularly women fans who didn't realize, you know, they came in after trying to don't realize.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And I think one of the most profound, not one of the most profound, Lyric in your song is about how she didn't get to drive.

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[SPEAKER_03]: There were a cheap hailed and it just like stabby right in the gut.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And I was like, good, good, good, good, good, good, good, good, good, good, good, good, good, good, good, good, good, good, good, good, good, good, good, good, good, good, good, good, good, good, good, good, good, good, good, good, good, good, good, good, good, good, good, good, good, good, good, good, good, good, good, good, good, good, good, good, good, good, good, good, good, good

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[SPEAKER_00]: So when was when was evolution this year?

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[SPEAKER_00]: What time of year was it?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Was it May?

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[SPEAKER_03]: It was July.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I think June or July?

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[SPEAKER_03]: I want to say.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I was the one they booked against Beyonce Concert.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It was.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I think it was the one.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I think Beyonce Concert across the street and the same weekend as MLB's All Star.

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[SPEAKER_03]: also in Atlanta.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And they only gave like a three week.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, pretty.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I, I loved, I love that event.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I love that program.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I've watched it back with my daughter certain matches a few times.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But I think was that where Trist Stratus did Russell Tiffany Straton?

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yes, I think that I think that was evolution.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I want to say yeah that is I'm pretty sure I thought I can't pinpoint it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think that's when I wrote that lyric because I remember seeing Tristra and us walk out and realize oh my gosh like it like China sometimes feels so long ago and so old and to see Tristra being like this is my last match and like

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, she couldn't, like, if things could have gone so differently, like China could have still like this could have easily I think about evolution in relation to China and like how

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's such a shame that she didn't get to see those PLEs and to see those events where it's all women putting on.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think like widely from what I've seen on Message Board, which I don't have to be on too much.

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[SPEAKER_00]: People even though like whatever the numbers were or whatever the buys, I don't know, but like people say that program was one of the best of the whole year.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, it definitely got a few like end of year like best show or that like when people do your worst or best show of the year evolution one like a ton of those.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It was really good.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It was, I mean, and it makes you so it just made me feel sort of, I guess,

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[SPEAKER_00]: and just seeing Trish walk out and she looks so great and it was a wonderful last night.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I yeah, he makes her own fan, but that's like whatever.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But I still was like, wow, this is so cool that she's having this moment.

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[SPEAKER_00]: She deserves it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh my gosh, she's so young.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh my goodness, it was so young.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Because they feel when you're growing up, they felt like these behemoths, these super heroes.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so they feel like they're old, not old, but just so much further along in life than you are.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then to see to that moment of reckoning, where I'm like, it's 2025.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And Trisha's wrestling, her last match.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's just something over the edge that like, China didn't get to have that moment with Rio.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, just some sort of a send-off, like, you have that, if she got that, so we had got that match with Rio.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I, makes you want to like, flip my computer, even just do like five minutes or just we, and I think, and I think it's that sense of this story is not finished.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And that sort of that friction is probably why it was so bent on writing the song and why it like it kind of kept happening.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I wrote the chorus and then I was like, I don't know what these lyrics are for the verse.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, what do I want to say?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, she was born in New York.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, I don't know, what am I talking about?

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then seeing, I think just like following the through line, it's like the word sort of happened at me wrong.

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[SPEAKER_00]: She'd never got to be here.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I can't write you if she never got to be here.

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[SPEAKER_03]: No.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And it's.

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[SPEAKER_03]: heartbreaking.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Just like listening to that song is so powerful and it's such a beautiful song, but then just really thinking about, obviously, the lyrics that then thinking about China's career and it's just it's so unfair.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And it just feels like, and I guess that it's unfinished.

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[SPEAKER_03]: It's she didn't, and she, you know, and you posted some of the clips in your essay about her talking about like that's like one of those things that she wanted more than anything

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[SPEAKER_03]: solo and they obviously denied that to her when she was here and obviously she her life ended very tragically very early um she was so young when she passed and so but they still they do post your misinductions every all the time like it just feels like

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[SPEAKER_03]: There's no reason.

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[SPEAKER_03]: There's literally no good reason not to do it.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And so, and I know that when with the song that you've had, I believe that you're how people are using the hashtag and duck China.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Is that the hashtag we're trying to do so.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm certainly using it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I can't say that it's like, I don't really know how people use hashtags to be honest, like, I use them because I see other songwriters.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: This helps.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, okay, but.

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[SPEAKER_00]: If it, if there's something that, you know, we all could sort of like coalesce around and then or something where people could find the videos because it is really cool to see other creators using, like, Induct China and sharing their own takes.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think that's really cool.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I think it's just to sort of have a central meeting spot and just where people can find like-minded wrestling fans.

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[SPEAKER_03]: for sure and yeah so I've seen that yeah because I've seen some of the fans using it in like a response to like on your Instagram and things like that and so when I was posting about because I somebody in your comments had mentioned we were talking and I had mentioned that I wrote an article about China in 2022 and it was for the same reason that she should be inducted and so we were talking about it and they were like you should repost it so I reposted it to my social media and I used the hashtag in duck china and I was like maybe if people are on

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[SPEAKER_03]: blue sky, which is where I was posting.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I was like maybe they'll find it or maybe the more bugs come.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And of course, like when we post this interview, we'll absolutely use that hashtag.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So if you guys

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[SPEAKER_03]: Want China to be inducted and you're listening to the song and you're taking to social media please use the hashtag and the China so that we can hopefully get some support behind this and also like you said to find more like minded wrestling fans.

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[SPEAKER_03]: That would be incredible because I think you know she obviously deserves it and so and you've we talked about some about how your fans have reacted but we've seen that I've seen you post a few times that you've had some wrestlers who have responded or reacted so what has that been like.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, every time I want to throw my phone out the window, like every single time, it's very, it's, I mean, because those are like the biggest stars in the world to me.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like Tristra, this is like a few videos, page, Sirea, is commented and like talked about the song on her podcast.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Rear Ripley's, like the few videos, Raquel Raidriege's,

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[SPEAKER_00]: trying to think it's just been extremely encouraging.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's been really cool.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'd love to see if I know Jade Carville is very inspired by China, the big fan of Jade's.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, she's incredible.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'd love to see if she's heard the song.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like they're just, it's just sort of,

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[SPEAKER_00]: It really was my way of contributing to a conversation that's already been happening because you see so many wrestlers and fans have been making edits.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There's like, there accounts on TikTok that have been dedicated to making China edits since the app started, which is after China has already passed, they make weekly edits of China.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That just shows what legacy she's left behind and what her impact was.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And she's still that cool today.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's amazing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's so inspiring.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I just saw a wrestler like two or three days ago in the K-Black Heart.

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[SPEAKER_03]: She's an independent wrestler and she popped up in my feed.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I've seen her before and she was wearing and she was like this is my China inspired gear and she was like I'll always love her.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So like you saw that even women now who were just earlier into their careers or a few years into their career who still have China as somebody.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So she's not that far removed from

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[SPEAKER_03]: I'd like her or want to be in wrestling because of her.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Like you said, Jade Cargill is somebody who has talked about China before, multiple times about, you know, being somebody that inspired her.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So I think that China, you can still see it even from just women wrestlers today.

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[SPEAKER_03]: How much she inspired them and it's so cool to see it.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm glad that you are getting that type of feedback from, you know.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I also had more writers for WWE reach out to me like off the record and share that like this like you know cool song saying her name around the office was like saying about the word.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I was like I wish I was surprised.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I wish I was surprised.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, just a

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[SPEAKER_00]: Also hey, that's why I'm like, I don't know what like what the response, I don't know exactly what we're waiting for, but it's been very cool and encouraging that like there is this like swell of fam momentum still.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I have a friend who's an artist also and I know that because he talks about the craziness and loneliness of art and all of the ever endeavors that artists do and he thait tumbler is making a comeback for artists right now.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So try posting it over there because it's turned into you I know it sounds weird because it used to be for all what it used to be for.

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[SPEAKER_02]: The artist has sort of fled Instagram and started reclaiming Tumblr.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And now basically it's a lot of people who draw high and sculpt and music and they're posting their art on there because he draws and he does a lot of visual art.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And he's like the best way to get in with artists on there is to just like each other stuff and boost it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So just that little tip is don't sleep on tumblr.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I've actually been posting our this thing to it as well.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And there is a little traction there.

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[SPEAKER_02]: because that's good to know it's like a grassland roots reclaiming by the art community and have like come on and it's got a really great vibe because you can really pick and choose what kind of arts you want to follow and it's just about putting each other over right now.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And that's how many other outlets.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So one of Russell Mania this year in April.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I just look like two days ago, because I was, no, no, no, no, this here is Vegas, because they're still from New Orleans, okay, Vegas, you know, next year is one in body, next one is body, Russell, which is why I wanted to do this interview.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Now, so that it would hopefully gain some momentum ahead of WrestleMania and before we start the rumble, uh, induction.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And yeah, we've got the rumble coming up next weekend.

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[SPEAKER_03]: That will be in from Saudi Arabia as well.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Um, there's that whole thing.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Um, yes, it is April 18 and April 19th is when WrestleMania 42 is after the 10 year anniversary of Chinese passing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, we were friends and I kind of I'm wondering if I should do some I'm talking this out with you because I don't have the team and I'm not but I I kind of wonder if I should mount some sort of a campaign of like everyone pressing play on China like at WrestleMania because it'll be

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[SPEAKER_00]: I know this is very morbid, but her body wasn't found until the 20th of the yesterday that she was passed out on the that she died on the 16th.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So the 18th falls within that window of this sort of like, unplanned time.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I don't know if there's, I don't know if it's in portased, I'm not sure it could be, but like, something like people pressing play on the song like at WrestleMania.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Not sure how you could do that.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm a morom and that would absolutely not.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I know as somebody that like I've lost people and I understand And this is a grief thing that we were talking about earlier is like where you feel like what your feeling is bitter sweet It's bitter sweet that she has influenced these women however she didn't get to finish her story and and so and that's like what grief teaches you a lot and I think in that case for me

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[SPEAKER_02]: As a immemorial of China at 10 years, I think that that's absolutely something that you could probably do as a tribute to China on the 10th year anniversary of her loss and saying, here's something that says, look at this woman and what she had influenced to this very moment to this very, the women walking down that ginormous ramp.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, if you did it as a memorial

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[SPEAKER_02]: You're an independent artist.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You're not out there like, look, I'm making $8 billion off of this.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's like, you're lucky if you saw him over the summer is a shoe gaze ballad.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You're on band camp.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It's like, you get a sliver of what, you know, I mean, it's, and if as someone who has a lot of independent and even musician friends is like, you guys, it's the struggle.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It's real.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But I think if you did it as a memorial, I don't know that that would necessarily come off in bad taste.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And like you said, it's a unifier right now because we could use even the tiniest winds.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It's like throwing starfish back into the ocean.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But still, I mean, that starfish matters.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Like it does.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So love that story.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I know, it's, I try and remember it a lot because it does matter to that one star and she's I think I might start remembering a lot.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I haven't heard it referenced as an adult.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it just recently somebody reminded me of it and I was like, you know what?

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[SPEAKER_02]: I think I need that more than ever in my late 40.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It is.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It is.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I think that's it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I would be all about doing a like a tribute push on that because.

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[SPEAKER_00]: She deserves it the 10 year anniversary, you know, I think that like this time last year, the song didn't exist.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And right, um, kind of makes it kind of makes sense, especially there would be so many wrestling fans, I don't know, I have to make on me.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, I mean, if you're like existential, you're essentially you're singing it out into the universe to her to try and make like because.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I think that most people, if they're being honest with theirself, agree with the three of us on the fact that she needs to be in there by herself and that's just Whether they want to be misogynist or weird about it, I think if they're being really super honest with theirself in the dark, when no one's looking and listening, they would be like, yes, she should probably be in.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think it's also like a question, the the the question of like.

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[SPEAKER_00]: who's gonna ride for you, it's just something that makes me feel existential as well of like, yeah, when the lights are out on all of us, like, who holds the keys to your memory and how we all are it?

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[SPEAKER_00]: And the fact that there are gatekeepers still to this person's legacy and sort of making those decisions on how she is honored and remembered.

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[SPEAKER_00]: is it's sobering for everybody because that time will come for all of us and you hope that you have good stewards in your life that will take care of you in in in your passing and it feels like the only people taking care of China after her death are these fans that are effectively powerless like I think that a lot of people's demonstrations with WWE have been like oh my gosh we have all these

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[SPEAKER_00]: We care so much about this product.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Do you care about us?

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[SPEAKER_00]: And it's tricky because like sometimes yes, and sometimes no, and it's like the highs and lows that get you addicted to it, and you do get sort of bitten by it, which is certainly, I'm sure it's the case for all of us.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I think that like you feel really powerless a lot of the time, but together we just have so much more power.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We really do, and that's what I'm hopeful for.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think with the life of this song, like maybe it doesn't happen.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It won't happen this year.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They're adopting stuff.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They would not.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Absolutely.

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[SPEAKER_03]: You're never going to notice that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, if they were messy and gay, they would just have to go back.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, if you want, if you want a ceremony to go viral, like that's the rest of the year, but they won't do this year.

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[SPEAKER_03]: You know, they're all about the viral moment and WWE now.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's what they focus on more than what you think will then triple age.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Do I have a show for you?

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[SPEAKER_00]: I have a pitch for this induction ceremony.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, that'd be amazing.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, no, we're just kind of the irony of forgetting inducted after everything that's gone seems really bizarre to me.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yep.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I might well.

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[SPEAKER_03]: We've talked about that on the show.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I think I didn't realize I've got to get everything out.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I think it kind of just fell out of my head.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, when I was listening to the AJ Lee podcast with her, I kept having to run into my wife's office, just like holding my phone and being like, she addressed this.

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[SPEAKER_00]: She brought him that like, I just couldn't believe.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I was like, like, we're talking about snap on this dynamic man podcast.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like we're talking about school lunches, like I am gagged.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And this has been, it's been certainly like a strange,

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[SPEAKER_00]: like turn events to witness.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm really just so happy that AJ Lee is back.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's been so, like, that's kind of an answered prayer.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That keeps me holding on to home.

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[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_03]: It sounds like there are some rules that are going around about plants for her for WrestleMania, which would be if they come to fruition would be really cool.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And then you see, you see going back to WrestleMania, women getting these high profile matches,

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[SPEAKER_03]: And things like that, and then you see the women having their own royal rumble that even start until 2018, which is just crazy.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And so I was going back, I'm actually working on an article about what would have happened if Royal Rumble.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Women's Royal Rumble had started earlier, and China was, of course, the only woman who has ever competed.

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[SPEAKER_03]: She was the first woman to compete in the Royal Rumble, which

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[SPEAKER_03]: I think should still be talked about like we should be talking about that every time there's a women's royal rumble we should be like before our women's rumble royal rumble even existed China was in it she and not only that she eliminated the world's strongest man mark Henry.

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[SPEAKER_03]: That's huge and then she got I mean herself.

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[SPEAKER_03]: She got eliminated by Stone Cold, but that shows you Stone Cold, so you also know obviously one of the biggest wrestlers of the 90s, but she so was she and like I feel like we need to remember like of course yes we bring you know and of course they bring back the rock and they bring back Stone Cold and make full lay and things like that and then but you know people obviously she just they don't even acknowledge her which is so frustrating

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[SPEAKER_03]: hope that people think of this song and I hope that whatever you end up doing at Russell Mania, we will definitely talk about it and promote it here.

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[SPEAKER_03]: We will push that and we will continue, we will forever push the agenda of inducting China into the Hall of Fame by herself.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And so that's why I think when I heard the song, I was like, I loved it so much and agreed with it and then I was like,

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[SPEAKER_03]: I have to have, we have to have them on a show.

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[SPEAKER_03]: We have to talk about this because I want to nerd out about China with other people.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And I want you to know that there are people in the wrestling community.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Obviously, you're seeing that, but like we, you know, we, I want to just, I figure, I thought that, especially our viewers, who, you know, we have a really good group that we are better generally here with us on our livestreams, who I think probably feel the same way.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Um, and that's why I wanted to expose them to the song as well.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And then hopefully they'll go out and stream it and expose it to other Pete rustling fans and use the hashtag and duck China and maybe we can make the noise and get started.

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[SPEAKER_02]: If you can't make volion, you're saying, you know, hey.

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[SPEAKER_00]: If you got to have someone send it to him, I would love for Lisa.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, the reality of that is like he is at least a big supporter for better worse.

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[SPEAKER_02]: That guy is the supporter of China.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And I think he does agree with us as well that he should do she should be on our own.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So if I recall correctly, yeah, I mean, fingers crossed.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I will all send it to my my long island friends and be like, yo, if you see him,

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[SPEAKER_02]: You see my bully are the streets.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Please stop him and play on the song.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You know what's totally fine.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It's not like you're shamelessly plugging yourself to make room there in the street.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It's somebody else like some other wrestling nerd doing it so it works out perfectly.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.

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[SPEAKER_02]: That could pull this off potentially.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, any help.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There's no label pushing this.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like this is, and that's not so cool too.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like this is a organic.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So any sort of support, anything that you can do if you're, you know, listening or watching, it all really helps it all really matters.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm so appreciative.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The legs that this song has is just the testament to the best parts of the internet, you know?

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I'm really, really appreciative of

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[SPEAKER_00]: added to song to their playlist or shared with a friend like that is how we're in the hundreds of thousands of streams which is that most I've saw in a mine has ever had in like such in like the three and a half weeks since it's been out I it's unbelievable there's just a lot more of us than I think I knew

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, definitely we definitely we the audio version we will also post an audio version of this so please make sure But we are popping up on the screen.

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[SPEAKER_03]: The YouTube channel, which is also that would be the same it would also be under somewhere It's FEM LER so go to Spotify type in type in that name type in China

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[SPEAKER_03]: and the song should pop right up for you.

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[SPEAKER_03]: You can go, make sure you follow them on YouTube, go check out that video essay.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And then go be angry with us.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And then in the comment, and then in the comments, just put hashtag and duck china, we'll, we'll drive the video up to you.

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[SPEAKER_03]: What's up?

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[SPEAKER_04]: Put a statement.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yes, we all are, we all struggle with trying to get engagement over here, so we understand the struggle.

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[SPEAKER_02]: The algorithm is a real thing.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I like the idea though, I think it's important that we're getting some, and you talked about legacy, which I think is the most important thing is that when you do lose people, that's it right there is that your legacy is all you have, and so it's all of us out here knowing this, and I like the idea of taking a small victory is a victory, and it would honor her legacy in a great way, and it would be really, I

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[SPEAKER_02]: Can you, like, we would be, it would be like wrestling social everybody would be so happy.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I think that there would be a real moment with, like, we might even be nice to each other for entire day on social media.

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[SPEAKER_02]: She got in the bed like a whole day.

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[SPEAKER_02]: We could potentially go forward to six hours on social being nice to each other in the wrestling community at that hour.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I agree.

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[SPEAKER_03]: and then obviously they'd be nice the whole day that she was inducted.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Hopefully we would get that.

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[SPEAKER_03]: They are, you know, gets them nice with their, but

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I really hope that this song pushes the conversation because more than anything that's the thing is obviously the conversations come up every year around this time of like who's going to get inducted into the holiday.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And of course we knew you know sometimes we know earlier, but I think that this is a good conversation that unfortunately it's going to keep happening around China until they make it like this conversation is not going away.

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[SPEAKER_03]: We're still talking about it 10 years later and even prior to that people were talking about it.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So this is a I think this is something that I mean.

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[SPEAKER_03]: They're not stupid.

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[SPEAKER_03]: They know that their fans want them, but what they're they give it to us is, you know, a whole other thing, but they know that people love her and they want her there and that she deserves to be there.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So I hope this song just pushes it just back into the consciousness and

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[SPEAKER_03]: go stream it, help an independent artist and help get the get China's name out there again and just, you know, hashtag and duck china and make sure that you use it when you post that and share it with all your friends.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And then, um, I also let me pop this up here before we let you go.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Note you're going on tour soon.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Dan, do you get that on there?

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I can do that.

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[SPEAKER_02]: We'll pop that up.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I think I picked the right one and I want to this one.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, that's right.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, very, yeah, that's a key.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I like the poster.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I like it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Thank you.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's designed.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I designed it, but it's they soften photography that my friend took.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I like this one better.

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[SPEAKER_02]: This is bigger and cool.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I like it.

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[SPEAKER_03]: It looks fun.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Thanks.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So tell us about the tour when it kicks off.

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[SPEAKER_00]: How people can you know, it'll be a March, March 19th starting off in Nashville.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We'll be handing up Chicago, Madison, Minneapolis, Omaha and Lincoln will be in a acoustic show and it's in support of an upcoming project called Mirages, which will be out also in March with the debut single off that project.

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[SPEAKER_00]: will be out at the top of February and you should come to the show because the music is great.

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[SPEAKER_00]: My band is incredible, but you should also come to the show or bring a friend because we have magicians opening up the show because the theme is like illusion seeing versus believing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So for the price of a $25 ticket, you're going to see a magician.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You're going to see an opening band.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You're going to see my band like melt your face off.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And you're going to meet a lot of friends and have a good time.

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[SPEAKER_00]: My dad will probably be there

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[SPEAKER_00]: shows and stuff.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So it's a real faint like we've I'm really proud of the community we built.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's a great vibe.

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[SPEAKER_00]: These shows are small, but we usually pack them out.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I know that Chicago's VIP is already sold out.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh shit.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, the VIP but not the GA.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Not GA, yeah, it's just really never very small choice.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So Chicago is potentially drive a ball.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And that might, I'm like, looking at this going, like, we were talking about driving this Chicago for the G1.

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[SPEAKER_00]: This G, well, my drummer is from Detroit.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I know he's always very excited when we play Michigan.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I was like, there's no Michigan yet.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But this is all, you know, again, that's all.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And it's an independent operation.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I'm really thankful with the dates that we could get.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But I, it's not for lack of wanting to go to Detroit.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I wish I were.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It's, this is a crazy town, but if you guys get in here, you know, I will be there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's a great show.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, please, yeah, please reach out.

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[SPEAKER_00]: If you're planning on coming to a show, we love to have you.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, we're not.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Thank you.

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[SPEAKER_02]: That's awesome.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, no total.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I love as a someone who has many, many, many, many independent artists friends and is very against the robots.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I like to support everything that is like this because

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, definitely throw bots.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Well, if you somehow make it to Charlotte or Carolina, then I will absolutely be in attendance.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I will make sure to Edwell definitely spread it.

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[SPEAKER_03]: But yeah, and if you're in, and if you're watching this, and you are in any of these cities, please, please, please go support local music, go support local musicians.

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[SPEAKER_03]: As well, that, I mean, that is very attractive.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, all I want to say on, but now you're just like, you're just being my language.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, variety shows, yeah, and our, I believe our magician, no, not our magician, should have our magician and Madison and Minneapolis is from a room fair.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And I believe it that's cool.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I wonder if like we have probably have people in common because it's weird that way, but yes, that's so cool.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I love that as I love pairing like illusion with like Sam's her local promotion as she they do a lot with where they pair music and local artists with the wrestling and it's really, really fun the way that they present it to so I love that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I feel like I'm giving you like we're going, yeah, fun evening plans, like, even if you don't know anything about my music, you only know China or whatever, like I want you to have a good time kick back for get about your problems for just two hours.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm like music never fails.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's the best of us, it's.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And these days, honestly, I can't buy into any of the major artists and you are like, it's not, it's not affordable.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's not.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, that we added the VIP option to help with our budget is true.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But we feel like I felt very strongly about keeping tickets like well affordable especially for the tier of artists that I'm at right now, but I can promise you that the caliber of show and of the artists that we have working like is very high we just keep our ticket prices pretty low and always really strive to do that right yeah because it's hard to get to be able to get very cool to hear.

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[SPEAKER_03]: But before we let you go, tell the people, I know we put the banners up for people who are listening on the audio.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Tell people where to find you anything else that you would like to share, please feel free to share that as well.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, no.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Thank you so much for having me.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I really appreciate your time and your energy.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's great to talk with like mind to wrestling fans.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's a really cool, um, like platform that you built.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You can find me wherever five music is found somewhere.

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[SPEAKER_00]: S. E. M. L. R. And my full name is Grace similar ball dredge.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So a few sea grace ball dredge somewhere.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's probably also me.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Thank you so much.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Welcome.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Thank you again for sharing your time with us and sharing this beautiful song with us and hashtag and duck china and you are welcome back anytime.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And hopefully on the day of one of the days when it finally happens, you were will definitely have a long back.