NJPW Wrestle Kingdom 20 Review: Hiroshi Tanahashi’s Final Match | Speaking of Strong Style

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[SPEAKER_00]: Wrestle Kingdom 20 took place today in a sold out Tokyo dome and the big matches over delivered.

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[SPEAKER_00]: With two title versus title matches and Hiroshi Tanahashi's retirement match, change was guaranteed.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Success was not.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But on national television for the first time in the Wrestle Kingdom era, New Japan came through with a show that was not perfect, but exceeded most expectations.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Jeremy Feinstone was their life, and we'll break down the big event match by match from both a TV and an in-person perspective.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So with Jeremy Feinstone, I'm Stephen Conway.

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[SPEAKER_00]: This is a special wrestle kingdom edition of Speaking of Stroke Style.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Welcome everyone to speaking of strong style.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We discussed the news events and happenings with new Japan pro wrestling and we have had all of it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We are going on very little sleep both Jeremy and I would say right here, but it's a bright shiny early in the morning on two on that was it's Monday.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's Monday, it's 730 in the morning in Japan.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, and of course I'm back here in the States.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So Jeremy, you were in the Tokyo Dome last night.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You were at this major event and of course, we're going to break it all down, mashed by mashed for just overall some initial broad thoughts on having attended the big event in Tokyo yesterday for you earlier today for us.

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[SPEAKER_01]: uh, the energy throughout the entire day.

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[SPEAKER_01]: From the moment I walked out of the hotel room of the Tokyo Dome Hotel, the entirety of Tokyo Dome City was Tonehashi.

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[SPEAKER_01]: There were banners everywhere.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The courtyard was one giant merchandise stand.

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[SPEAKER_01]: All the video screen were framed pictures in a graphic throughout his entire career, with like the nice, you know, AI border around it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then they were just flashing through like the iconic moments.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It was Tonahashi weekend, it was Tonahashi moment.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It was celebration of Tonahashi's life.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then when you got to the show,

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[SPEAKER_01]: You were there and you looked at that stage.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And if much of that stage, what cool of screen, I promise you it looked even better in person.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like it was an absolutely fantastic environment and experience.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then we got to a show and there were thoughts that we talked about that show.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It was like, man, I really hope that this is a good show.

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[SPEAKER_01]: There are signs that it might not be, but even that was a tremendous show.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, especially down the stretch and the stuff that was truly important hit, and that's what we're going to get into today.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think that's the theme for this one is what really mattered hit and hit very, very hard and very well.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It pressed some emotional buttons.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They had some pretty good deep storytelling going on in several different matches there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And there were some messes earlier in the night and we'll talk about those.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's a wooden perfect.

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[SPEAKER_00]: three or four things on that show, which really needed to hit, and they delivered.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It worked.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They had good ideas, and they were well executed.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, and we got a couple of comments right off the bat.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Super junk says excellent show.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Everything was really solid.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The wolf match really exceeded my expectations.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Boy, boy, and we have a question about that wolf match from Jeremy or that we're going to get to when we talk about it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And you know, as we, as I looked at this Jeremy as I settled in,

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[SPEAKER_00]: I remember just thinking to myself, I hope this goes all right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, we were trepidations about it because there were certain results we were worried about.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Turns out they made the right decisions, but we feel are the correct decisions.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I guess we'll find out over the course of the year if they were the correct decisions.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Once 2026 gets going and we see how business goes.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But I was encouraged by a lot of stuff and

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[SPEAKER_00]: there was a buzz in that building I felt on TV watching on TV from the very beginning of course this thing started very early there was a 45 minute pre-show match so this is before the event and there were still people filing in for the young lion match

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[SPEAKER_00]: Even for that, I had a sense that that crowd was ready to respond to things.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Did you get the same idea?

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[SPEAKER_00]: It didn't seem like the guys had to do a whole lot to get the crowds into it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: No.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And that contributes so much to the atmosphere, such a big deal.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And that crowd was ready to...

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[SPEAKER_00]: They got into just about everything.

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[SPEAKER_01]: People made a day on this, Stephen.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like everybody was everywhere.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The entire day, the door's open at 2.30 at our time and there were line cues everywhere.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It was, if you are overwhelmed by large crowds, I would feel very terrible for you because there were more people than,

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[SPEAKER_01]: I've ever really been in the crowd of before and do everything very organized, filed, worked on through.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I tip my cap to the entire like organization of how they navigate and getting everyone in, get in and out, making sure that ever had good line sites.

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[SPEAKER_01]: By that time, the show started.

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[SPEAKER_01]: People were hungry for for some new Japan and

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's not a lot of low-cing or an obelisk jacket.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's a lot of ton of hoshy stuff.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The Merchastand opened at 9 a.m. and had at least 400 people in line from the get-go.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And it stayed like bustling all the way through.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I walked over the tow-con shop to see if that was any different, and there was a line around the corner.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But it was a tremendous success for everybody and that crowd.

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[SPEAKER_01]: when it was go time, it was go time.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They wanted it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They wanted it all.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So tell us a little bit about your individual seats there where where were you in relation to the ring when we were watching it on TV?

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[SPEAKER_01]: I was.

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[SPEAKER_01]: just to the right of the ramp.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe about seven people away from me, but it gave me a line of height as there were a, there were a light across for me.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So if people were walking, they would cross the light and block it and you don't get that shadow outline of them.

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[SPEAKER_01]: and the also the line of site had it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I would have locked into one of those corners.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think the the far left corner opposite of the ramp and there were a lot of people doing a lot of poses and a lot of stuff happening right on that side of the ring and.

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[SPEAKER_01]: it was an unbelievable view.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And for those that want to see those, you can check out my Twitter at Jared Feinstone or Ants or whatever you want to call it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I posted the pictures there, but we're going to come back on Thursday.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And when I am more prepared, I will share with everyone some of these pictures that I got because they're pretty fantastic.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, before we get through the match by and match break down, we will be back at our normal time on Thursday.

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[SPEAKER_00]: This show we're doing here is not instead of it's an addition to our regular stay spot.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And we're going to be talking about other actions from this week because I watched just about everything.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm very proud to

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[SPEAKER_00]: about how much I got through this last week.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I watched this about everything.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So we're going to talk about the whole week, and then, of course, more about Jeremy's experiences in Japan.

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[SPEAKER_00]: This episode will be about rescuing a 20.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It deserves a show devoted to only it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think anyway is in terms of importance for the business.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's a perfect, perfect, perfect, almost entirely perfect episode for it to be our 200th episode, which it is 200 out of the situation for you.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Not all the back to me, just duck it out, even through the house of torture.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And even through the house of torture, they did threaten to ruin some of this, but I don't have a problem with house of torture, but I know the house of torture has a problem with you.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So the pre-show tag match, let's just get into the action and talk about what we saw in the ring.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So we had Katsudiyama Rashma, and Masatori Yasuda, who's twin brother, is now involved in pro wrestling Noah with Naito and Bushi.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Anyway, they were on one side.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They were wrestling Shoma Kato and tattoo Yamatsumoto.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So Matsumoto coming off a pretty good finish in the concourse.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I think you would finish fifth in this rookie year.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's pretty good for guys only been around a couple of months, but it was a showcase from Hiroshima.

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[SPEAKER_00]: All right, this match was a lot of Katsuya Marashima.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He was the one that was clearly looking best of anyone.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And the match was kind of designed for him to look the best of everyone.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He got the victory beating Matsumoto, of course, so that the most experienced young, why and penned the least experienced one.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And what was the finish?

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, I think it wasn't at a crab.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It was a boxing crab and it would be important later on.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, if the key is that that's the first submission hold that anybody learns in the no gay dojo that over and over again, that's that is the very first one and it's the only one you're allowed to do for a while after you start.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Matt's a model probably still only allowed to do that one, but he's still very early in his journey.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Chris Charleston on commentary with Walker Stewart on this one,

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[SPEAKER_00]: to hold a job today, both of them.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They were going to hold whatever they had.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I had no, I had no cops up to what they were saying and anything like that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And definitely being in the audience, there were things that I missed, there were things that I didn't have context for.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I could have this on the vibes, obviously, but, um,

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[SPEAKER_01]: I would say I was missing about 15% of total context of all things, just because of the waiters.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: All right.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And yeah, real quick.

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[SPEAKER_01]: By the way, Stephen.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Happy birthday.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Now thank you very much.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I appreciate that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Did you have any questions?

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[SPEAKER_00]: I did, yes, I did.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I had a huge, yeah, an absolutely huge bag of them.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I I'll have them for quite a while, as it turns out.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's one.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So then we have Ross, and so that was Ross and Chris Charlton even mentioned by the way that

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[SPEAKER_00]: his excursion or a graduation is likely to be so imminent, whatever that looks like for him.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm trying to think I was talking about this.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I was also texting back and forth with a couple of people during the show.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Most of Scott Edwards who would stay up to and is a friend of mine and of course, the Rick Scott.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Scott, he wrestling YouTube page where he covers Josie wrestling

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[SPEAKER_00]: you know we were we were kicking things around and he said well who was the last person really going excursion?

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I think it was ice and Oscar.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Those were the last guys to go off on excursion.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So, not necessarily onto excursion, although Shomekato is mentioned trying to go to CMLL he would like to.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We'll see if that happens, but it seems like a lot of these guys are just graduating now, like more like what Fujida did, where he didn't really go on excursion.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, what I have to see, but it feels like it's soon for Mirashima.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I guess the key for me, Jeremy, is Mirashima and to a slightly lesser extent, Shomekato, not sure what young lion matches are going to teach them that they haven't already picked up.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think it is time for the next stage for these guys.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You're not wrong about that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They're kind of like we have.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We've got to go time with some of these.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, we've been watching these guys doing the young line match.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's probably every show for the last year and a half minus them being injured or this or that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I was looking at it like, they added this match very, very late on the card, very late.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It wasn't even like a day or two ago.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So to me, I was thinking, like,

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[SPEAKER_01]: Did they come up with an idea after it like at the very end and wanted to like mirror it somewhere else in the in the card and I generally think that that was the idea.

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[SPEAKER_00]: All right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So then we have a world television title match.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And this was again part of the pre show.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And it was fan Tasmo against Chris Brooks course Chris Brooks working most of the for DDT lately.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And this one went 11 minutes 48 seconds.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It was fine.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It was fine.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Brooks's faction broke up on there big weekend show for DDT.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I call that shade and Freud Steven.

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[SPEAKER_00]: El Fantasma wasn't full Brett Hart gear.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He had Brett Hart inspired gear in a jacket.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He even did a Brett Hart elbow.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, that's the elbow off the ropes where you go forward and land on your knees and things.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Brett always made that look so good.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm a Brett Hart nut.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I love the little tributes there to Brett.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Of course, Fantasma will fill a Canadian of breads.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I think I think a Fantasma's from Vancouver while Brett's from Calvary, but to the same half of the country anyway.

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[SPEAKER_00]: uh... they kicked out of each other's finishes which are fairly similar the c r two and i was at the praying mantis and all that fairly similar but the l p ended up hitting thunder kissed a win uh... Brooks is not booked on new year's dash we have the lineup for dash we're going to go over that uh... at the end here so maybe it was one and done after all for Chris Brooks wasn't anything that made me eight to see him again but it wasn't awful either it was just kind of there

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[SPEAKER_01]: it was a pre-show match and it was met wrestled like it was a pre-show match to the main card.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I watched out the private Griff Brook didn't win but you know in the arena ELP had a lot of charisma and he he he's almost seen it like an elder state twin in the in the promotion with the way that everything is and

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[SPEAKER_01]: later on during the finale of like it was very deliberate that he was one of the two guys like right by the rain steps and you know Looking quite at come up to the to the ring, but he and Tana Hashir close and he was He was very involved in all of it

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[SPEAKER_00]: All right, so then the main show began.

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[SPEAKER_00]: This is a short break.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But that took up a lot of the time there, that 45 minutes and all of me enough time to go to the bathroom and come back.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, thank goodness.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Thank goodness.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's a trick, by the way, because the key, well, here's the key.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I said in the floor last year for Russell King, I'm similar to how you are.

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[SPEAKER_00]: When you sit on the field, you have to go out through essentially the outfield wall.

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[SPEAKER_00]: In the, you know, they're, like the grounds crew comes in and out.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's not an area where the fans are allowed to be for baseball.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There are no facilities, really.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There's really not, there's no restrooms for people on the floor, because people don't sit on the floor for baseball.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You have to go up the floor and about 400 feet down.

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[SPEAKER_00]: No concession stands either.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, it's a long trip.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Basically, if you're sitting on the floor to get to it, because you have to move upstairs to all the parts where the fans normally are, to get to those types of facilities there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I'm glad they gave you enough time to do that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Because the other thing is, they were moving from match to match pretty quickly throughout this whole show.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The guys and pay guys were not even all the way back to the dugout before the next guy's music was playing and saying so because you you enter through that stage that stage is in the outfield and you have to take either a golf cart or a car.

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[SPEAKER_00]: from the locker rooms around the dome to the back of the dome in effect where the outfield is.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So that's not where the dressing rooms are.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The dressing rooms are not behind that stage.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Dressing rooms are on the opposite end of the stadium and they have to be shuttle over there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And it's just kind of a strange set up for the base, but so when they leave, you notice that they don't except for China, Hashi at the end right there and a couple others.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They leave through the other side and they go just up these wide aisles almost through the crowd.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And those are headed to the dugouts.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's where they're dressing rooms are.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So just a little bit of some things on.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, I don't.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, some of the the quirks of stadium shows.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Anyway, they opened

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[SPEAKER_00]: with a never open-weight six-man tag team title, Rambo match.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So at this point, we've seen a pretty good young lion tag, an okay television title match, and we got an absolute stinker of an opener, because this was rotten.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We knew it would be, we knew that no one would shine.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The entrances for each team were longer and took more attention from the cameras than any of the spots in the match.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They had,

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, basically, OEMora and Umina were barely on camera the entire time.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Kai said to Kai she did an entrance and almost nothing else on camera.

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[SPEAKER_00]: This was a big nothing where no one shined.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They, like I said, the issue is.

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[SPEAKER_00]: everybody got their full entrance and so the cameras on them the whole time and then they would get to the ring they get like one minute and then the next entrance would start well the entrance would last two minutes because it's such a long ramp so there wasn't much action you just didn't see a whole lot of it and half the time they would just kind of fall out of the ring and hang around around around ring side a little bit so that someone can do a spider to this is awful I hope we never see this again and

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[SPEAKER_00]: we mentioned, Jamie, there was no way anyone was going to stand out and no one did.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not even going to bother to go through the eliminations.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They don't matter.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The whole thing with Kojima Taiji and ECE might as well not have been there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They barely registered on camera.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They were there together and they were happy they were in the dome, but they're wasn't any particular story to it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, to catchy from rampage, I saw him at DDT the night before.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And he blew me away.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I was like, I can't wait to see what this guy does and he didn't do anything.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He didn't do anything.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He didn't know anything.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Alex, you're like, all right, then.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It came down to two teams that we picked.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The TMDK squad of Zaxa, Virginia, Rio, Rio, Rio, Rio, Rio, Rio, Rio, Rio, Rio, Rio, Rio, Rio, Rio, Rio, Rio, Rio, Rio, Rio, Rio, Rio, Rio, Rio, Rio, Rio, Rio, Rio, Rio, Rio, Rio, Rio, Rio, Rio, Rio, Rio, Rio, Rio, Rio, Rio, Rio, Rio, Rio, Rio, Rio, Rio, Rio, Rio, Rio, Rio, Rio, Rio, Rio, Rio, Rio, Rio, Rio, Rio, Rio, Rio, Rio, Rio, Rio, Rio, Rio, Rio, Rio, Rio, Rio, Rio, Rio, Rio, Rio, Rio, Rio, Rio, Rio, Rio, Rio, Rio, Rio, Rio, Rio, Rio, Rio, Rio, Rio, Rio, Rio, Rio, Rio, Rio, Rio, Rio, Rio, Rio, Rio, Rio, Rio, Rio

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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, I had not had any issues whatsoever because at that point I have seen the entrants, all these entrances coming out.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I was just like, I was so taken in the moment with everything and in the beginning, entrants with like Shota and Uya and the rampage doing their damn 13.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That was really cool in the arena.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And it was all just vibes on the entrances and the magic

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[SPEAKER_01]: So, but it was just like, oh yeah, we're seeing these guys in the dome.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And if we're being pragmatic, having the main event champion from last year when in the match that he's in from wrestling kingdom, probably the smartest movie could do, probably was.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And Super Drunk mentioned something that's that's true, heartly by the way, looked genuinely surprised when they won.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I wonder if they didn't tell him that was the real finish.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I wonder, because he wasn't involved at it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But he looked genuinely surprised.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He was looking around a Rio Hey and Zach, and he could see him just kind of mount the words, holy, you know.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I wonder if they just kind of told them, just not improvised the finish, but maybe told Jackson the Bolton was gonna pin Zach or whatever, just told them some bakery up and then he just said, by the way, we just won the thing year champion.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think you might have been caught up in the moment because maybe I'm not a person in this because even when they came down, it was like a Zach and Rio, hey, walk down.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's like they'd been to the dance before.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, like they came down with confidence and like go straight to the ring.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And heartly, it was just a little bit behind them.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It was, you know, walking, but just kind of taking it all in a little bit more and yeah, and that kind of thing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, he's just been blown away just being kind of a quiet guy on the roster, do it, do it, do it some solid work, and I Will have before him that he got a belt, but I did laugh to hear that it was just one more guy that got a belt before showed up, you know?

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[SPEAKER_00]: I suppose so, but yeah, Hartley is, he is a company TMDK to ringside in the dome before.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He did for the main event last year.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He was there in the building, but this is his first main, in the ring, in the ring, participating, to be in that guy.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But he, but you go back and watch him.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He looks like genuinely amazed, you know, like, if he's not, if he's not, he's a good actor.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Anyway, that happened because he was on one corner and I was paying more attention to the finish where if the camera probably caught that a lot easier than the people that are in the audience.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Now, after that, things began to pick up.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Things got better very quickly, because next up was the IWGP Josie Championship versus the NJP W Strong Women's Title.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And that would be sure, the IWGP champion against Syah Kamatan, the NJP W Strong Champion.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Syah also holds the Red Belt, the World of the Star Championship, that was not in line.

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[SPEAKER_00]: These were the two New Japan related belts going up against each other title for title.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They were given 12 minutes, and we said here, we guessed, I guess, 10 to 12, because I thought that they would want to feature these to a little bit, because Siocometani has gotten some good mainstream press in the past year, and they wouldn't want to just gloss over that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They weren't given time and they delivered a really, really good match.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It was fast paced, of course, 12 minutes is short for a star to main event, which this would be.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So they got right down to it, but they moved quickly at all.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Worked.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Sia, by the way, was pretty banged up from her match at Dream Queen to Moseyori Anu.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We weren't totally sure this match was going to happen.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So a couple of days ago, Chris mentioned, if I, if I want to get,

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[SPEAKER_01]: a little under the weed care.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It really almost didn't happen.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I get really almost did not happen.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, but once she was in the ring, Kamatani came through and looked terrific.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Didn't look like there were any residual damage from that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And hopefully she's fine.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Although she did say afterwards, she's taking the rest of the month off.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So that tells you how beat up she actually is.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I hope it wasn't anything too severe there, but she did say that she's taking some time after this.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But she's gonna need it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: There were parts of this mantra of like, yeah, you're not 100%.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, they were, they were at 90, like she was at 90.

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[SPEAKER_01]: She, like, that's what I thought like, but there were, there were little things that I saw from her in the ring there that looks just like, you're, you're, you feel like you're just a step behind on a couple of these things.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And it was, it was later in the match.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It wasn't in the beginning because there was a lot of coordinated moves, but there were just a couple of things that

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, they really did.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm surprised that I didn't pick up on it on TV.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I thought she was doing fine.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So that's that's interesting.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I may go go back and check it out again, but anyway, in the end, a Sherry world, Sherry hit the Sherry world and one.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so I was surprised, Sherry one.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I had picked Kamatani.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm certainly not disappointed.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Sherry now has both the IWGP titles on the women's side.

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[SPEAKER_00]: and seeing her on future New Japan card sounds great to me.

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[SPEAKER_00]: She is a truly great wrestler.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So, Sai Kamatani is planning to do to carry stardom and I have no problem with this whatsoever.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I thought they would go with Kamatani, but sure is the champion and she had already held.

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[SPEAKER_00]: the title once and lost in her very first defense, which a lot of fans took as kind of a slap in the face to Sherry.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And if she had lost the Kamatani that would have happened to her again.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so this was nice to see her win with that IWGP title because she hadn't before.

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[SPEAKER_00]: She'd won it and then lost it immediately.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So this time gives her a chance.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And one of the biggest wins you can get and start them, which is a win-over-site Kamatani.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And this really establishes her

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[SPEAKER_00]: And if it means we're going to be seeing this title on a new Japan card, so though I feel like I've been saying this ever since the boat's created and it only seems to happen in the dump, I think it's a step forward if we see sure you a little bit more often because she's great.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I thought everything about this was a good presentation.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like you said, it got 10 minutes and I looked at the clock from the beginning and it's like, all right, I'm clocking 10 minutes.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Can actually, they did the 10 minute call a few seconds after the 10 minute call, because they literally, they rang the bell at the top of the hour at the top of the minute.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, so it was like at 40, like 342 or 442 whatever it was.

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[SPEAKER_01]: like all in the dot.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I was looking for like 452 or whatever it was and they hit it and I'm like, oh, all right.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And it looked like they were still going, even though it looked like they were probably getting closer to the end than in the beginning.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, I laughed because at the press conference, uh, say I come kind of like, well, if I win, I want a double contract with New Japan and Chardom and it's like, uh, oh, they don't want to pay you to a double money.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You're not what

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, that's okay.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, okay.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, I know, but I also know that New Japan doesn't want to pay any more money than they have to do that now.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, that's okay, babe.

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[SPEAKER_00]: No one's in there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, anyway, that was that was really good.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so now the show was kind of moving a little bit better there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That was night.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They went 12 minutes, nine seconds by the way, 12 or nine.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So it was nine seconds off my prediction right there attended well.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Then we had the 10 man tags.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So now we're going to find out who X is, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: So we already found out one of them.

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[SPEAKER_00]: When they first announced this match, there were two X's on the United Empire side.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We knew Kalam Newman, Great O'Con, and Henry coming back from his injury.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Then we found out that Andrade L. Edelo would be the first of two X's on that side.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Jeremy correctly predicted that Jake Lee would become the other X.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So we had one X that was there to hurt the unaffiliated crew, another X that was there to hurt the wardog side.

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[SPEAKER_00]: On the unafiliated ward dogs side we had David Finlay, Drill Maloney, Gabe Kid, Hiromu Takashi, and Shingo Takagi, and I want to say hello to Fernando Zayas by the way, USDA guys.

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[SPEAKER_00]: As soon as join us, hi guys, glad you are here.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Here.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It was a good sprint match.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Nothing spectacular because again, 10 guys and only 13 minutes.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There's not enough time for anyone to really shine.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But everyone did a little something.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And there was nothing really wrong with it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: In the end, Lee hit the face break, the one who just the running big boot in the corner to Hiromo.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Between Jake Lee and Andrade.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Lee is the one we'll be seeing most often on Friday.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think it's going to be anything near a full-time new Japan rest well.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He won't be going from AEW AEW and Rodney if they announced it like over and over and over again and I'm like,

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[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, with him on AEW, he's contract basically looks like we're not Tony caught it Android if that fantastic talent, and we can't wait to bring it on again.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Newsman's like AEW's android

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[SPEAKER_00]: Certainly not ours.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Certainly not New Japan's on dry day.

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[SPEAKER_00]: No, sorry, Bob's key.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, he's but so we was the right choice to get the win in this.

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[SPEAKER_00]: This was all about establishing United Empire as a force again.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's what this was.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And we knew that that was what was going to be about.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Any time a faction gets down to near rock bottom like United Empire did, that's when the surge is coming.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And we have seen it here now, Jake Lee.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And of course,

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[SPEAKER_00]: He would be back later on.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So let's see, Fernando says this is very solid.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, being the one to get murdered was the right call.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And yeah, Superjunks says glad to see him all right back.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Man, I was happy to see that too.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Love the tweaks to his look.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, well, new hair.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And it looked good.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, it looked really healthy.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I got to send him a minute after the show.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And SuperJump was not impressed with Jake Lee, said he was a total charisma void within the first 30 seconds of him being back.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I wanted him gone again.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Bad news, he ain't going anywhere for a minute right there, but I understand he is an acquired taste that not everyone acquires tonight.

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[SPEAKER_01]: An acquired taste.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He is, I think he has a strange charisma that I enjoy.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And a lot of it, I think, comes through

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[SPEAKER_00]: just his looks and things.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know, like his last run just before he got hurt.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He was starting to get New Japan style for the first time.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He was starting to have better matches.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then he got hurt and he was gone for 15 months and it might take him a little while to get back in the swing of things.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm actually like this, sprint match again, 10 guys, 13 minutes.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He only has to do a few things.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I thought the few things he did look fine, but I also understand that his

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[SPEAKER_00]: calm person it's he's going to get some of the same stuff that's I give Sonata crap for which is just kind of being passive and slow and all that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I do think there's something different about it with Lee, but that's totally subjective.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's just simply personal taste.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I will say the live crowd connection needs a little bit of something, but he

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[SPEAKER_01]: When he was there, he definitely had, I'm one of the top guys in this faction energy.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, like you had and draw an A and Jake Lee there.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And all of a sudden, it just felt like Callum Newman had just, you know, anointed his royalty rather than his army if it could be steps.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, like Jake Lee and Andrade are the leaders of that faction, the way that it like worked to me.

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[SPEAKER_01]: jake reer i thought

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[SPEAKER_01]: will fine.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I didn't have any issues with the presentation.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I wasn't.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I was a little annoyed at the very end, but I was also like not shocked because this was like with something they were going to want to do during the time that he was gone and they're not going to waste any time with it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He's clearly figured into their top level plan and he's going to be a player this year.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, he challenged for the IWGP title right out the gate at the end of the show in the show.

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[SPEAKER_01]: a jakely hater, but I also get why people are evaporated and don't think that he's a good fit here.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not a night camp, but I, yeah, I see it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I do understand the criticisms, how about that?

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't necessarily agree with them because it's like I said, it's a subjective thing, but I get what people are worried about when it comes to him.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And yeah, and then Superjunct just said, I got that same vibe.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He just said, whether it was intentional or not,

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[SPEAKER_00]: Let's see what happens on a show to show basis because Calum is a pretty talented guy.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And let's see if he can get himself over.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's okay if Calum this guy that brings another people drift to shake up New Japan.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And he's just kind of like that upstart Maverick that grog and grog and grog with infront.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's clear that nobody's going to accept him at the top guy right now.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, you just focused on peas.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He just doesn't have the kishay.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He doesn't have the matches.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He doesn't have the relationship with the audience.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He can at some point.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So if you want to put some other people in that position and tell his ready to rise up, I'm totally fine with that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And these are good guys to take that role for now.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Newman doesn't need to win the New Japan Cup, but I think it would really help if he went deep into the New Japan Cup.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I have my final maybe to final four.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I think I think something like that where you just kind of get him used to being in important matches, just some sort of mechanism where you do that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Franticize, he's not ready yet.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe that's what 2026 is going to decide.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe this year.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And he also mentions that I'm driving never less anywhere.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Seems like it, you know, the funny thing is, he's kind of running out of spots because in North America, you have WWE and AEW and he's left both in relatively short order not too long ago.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And CMLL doesn't need him.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That would be a spot where he could really do well.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Except they just sold out arena Mexico on Friday with basically the regular crew, you know, the, the,

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[SPEAKER_00]: what used to be the west coast wrecking crew, the world class wrecking crew drilled those on an Isaacs, they came in to challenge the Chavez brothers for the strong tag team titles, wall and lost, but but they're not they're not a big draw on Mexico, I mean that they sold out that building, essentially with the regular crews.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They don't need a lot of stunt casting, you know what I mean?

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[SPEAKER_00]: So, I'd rather need to kind of find a spot and maybe stick in it for a change because there aren't a ton of options left.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I am not worried about Andrew on it at all.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He is going to be fine.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He is talented.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Guys, if you're going to be in a, like, that AEW call with not a mistake.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, like, you do not say that as many times as you did unless, like, that is an indication that this is a fact what it's happening.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm just saying, he's probably, he should probably just kind of work somewhere for a year to

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm with you and I think that was actually the plan with some of the sentinel come back for like big shows and I could see him more involved in new Japan of some of the other people in AEW because there was a very much an intentionality in the way that they used him here.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And they have so many guys over there.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And if Takeshita is no longer going to be the Calus family representatives in a couple of weeks, months, months, whatever.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Now you have Androna to be that kind of guy that, you know, is the that Calus representatives at a top level.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I do want to see Androna versus Yoda Suji.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I do want to see Androna versus a bunch of these top guys.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's a good man.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Androna challenging for the IWGP title is not unrealistic.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Petrov 3566 as this is on dry days bizarre adventure.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's what we're watching.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that's a good very well be true That's good.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm like a Steve was ripped last night.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like yeah, he looked from he was Absolutely jacked and he hasn't been doing much or going anywhere so I'm glad he he was he was looking the part but

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[SPEAKER_01]: There were some made of that looking guy that were that have not been called made of that guy right now, but we have a we have a landscape to the fact that we kind of exciting for for challenges at the top level.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, Lee is Lee is the main guy and he's going to be the one that's there on the shoulder show basis.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So he got the victory in the match.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Now we move on from that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And let's we'll we'll get back to that Don Carlos thing a little bit later, by the way.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So

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[SPEAKER_00]: Next up was the biggest disappointment of the night.

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[SPEAKER_00]: IWGP Junior Heavyweight title, number one contendership four way mash was a mess.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, how a overbooked this thing to death and they ruined a mash that had Desperado, Fujida, and Ishimori in it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so, show was in there too, but he was in Full House of Torture Mode.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Doki came out before it began.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He did a little bit of a promo.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then it just turned into an overbooked house of torture mess, where Kanamaro was jumping in.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And Doki was jumping in.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And to the point that Chris Charlton said, we might as well just have a six-man match and have the thousandth of torture guys against the other three at this point.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And

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[SPEAKER_00]: no one really looked particularly good no one stood out again and they did have a nice surprise which is Robbie Eagles and Robbie X jumped in and hit a cot, Kukai and then you know so that was just cool to see those guys jump in but again you got too many people in the ring for anyone to look good and

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[SPEAKER_00]: What was there was just kind of a big mud puddle.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Nothing had a story, nothing was particularly coherent.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You weren't even sure what house torture was particularly trying to do other than try to get showed a win, I guess, but most of what they do didn't really move toward that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: This is bad.

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[SPEAKER_00]: This is, and I didn't think these four could have a bad match, but it wasn't the four having a bad match.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It was eight guys jumping around and it just was unempressive and a waste of time, desperate out of ended up winning the thing, but it doesn't.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Desperado versus Doki was one of the most anticipated matches of last year's wrestling kingdom.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Now, I'm kind of rolling my eyes at the whole thing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Let's just get it in the ring and get it done with and move on to something else.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I love both of those guys, but this story, since Doki joined House of Torture, has been a big fumble from New Japan.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And really, an example of how poor the booking was in 2025.

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[SPEAKER_00]: This is when it has blood over to the first four days, 2026.

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[SPEAKER_00]: This is crap.

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[SPEAKER_00]: and it'll lead to a title match eventually and it leads to a thing at New Year's Dash.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But boy, this could have been a good match and it was not.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's unfortunate that that's how it translated on to TV because in the in the Tokyo dome, people were loving this.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They were loving the chaos.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They were loving all these guys in the ring.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They loved the run-in from Eagles and X and all that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And they didn't really, they weren't really fussed about the ending because they do like Desperado.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, they, they, they were into all of it and they just saw it too much though.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's like nobody did much, but it's like it's all like it's all vibe.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to parent this and like even food you're getting destroyed and getting rescued by Desperado who just socked, I think, uh, show in the face or something like that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's okay.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I laughed.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Breaking up a pin was just a right cross across there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That was that kind of thing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: All right.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then he gave him two pinchy locals like, wow, they're ending this thing already.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like there were two pinchy locals kind of like,

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[SPEAKER_01]: I really, I really want it food you to win, because I will tell you this, Steven.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He's the guy.

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[SPEAKER_01]: When now, ring entered, cap in.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It was intentionally a fire entrance.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like he got a better entrance than most anyone else on the underside of the card below the main.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And it blew the doors off the place when he came out.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And we have been having this conversation for the last couple weeks of him being a young guy who could be like the A set 25 or 26.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And we know he had the talent and it was a question of whether the audience would be behind him.

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[SPEAKER_01]: This audience, I love Coca Fugina.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They see it too and he, his future bright.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's so bright and it wasn't bright today.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I see what you're saying about the match.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But,

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[SPEAKER_01]: for Fujuna, it was the entrance that mattered the most because it was that like, okay, we can get behind this guy.

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[SPEAKER_01]: This guy, like the audience, it's into it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: If 50,000 people react the way to they did to him, that they didn't react to the others who guys, like they liked Desperado, but they were all about Fujuna.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's interesting.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I'm glad you told us about what it was like life.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm just, I'm pointing this out, not to say that anybody's right or anybody's wrong, but there is a very real difference between being in the building and watching it in person and watching it on TV.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I felt the same way last year where everyone was talking about how boring the show to Umino Zack Saber Jr. match was.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I thought in the building it didn't come off boring.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Not at all time classic.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Wasn't trying to put it over as that, but it wasn't dull, even though it was long.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And it's that perception of being in the building and feeling that energy and here's my point on that journey.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I was looking at this on cage match and that match.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We just talked about got five five and a half or whatever three point seven nine.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The lowest rated match on the show and it just shows you how different it came off on TV.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, the reality of Stephen, every big New Japan show has put their juniors matches on the show before, as kind of like the appetite before the main event.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And that's essentially what this was.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, it's just kind of the, you know, the appetizer before the big match for the night.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And it's more than kind of.

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[SPEAKER_01]: cue you up rather than burn you out before the rest of the stuff, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: I understand what you're saying.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I understand everything.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm just, I'm relatively certain that nothing was going to fail in the dome yesterday.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, no matter what they did, everything was going to turn the gold.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, I'll say this on TV.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So again, I'm just talking about TV, staying up with my coffee and washing this.

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[SPEAKER_00]: At this point, we've had two pre show matches that were all right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: uh we had one really good women's match a pretty good ten man and then two stinkers.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So at this stage like when this match is finishing up, I'm just thinking this is an okay wrestle game at this point.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's where I was going into the final three matches that this is all right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then I just thought, oh god, the air and wolf matches next.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I was in.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I was in so far so good mode.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, yeah, all right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's the see that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And that's the difference of perception, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, then, the Aaron wolf match started and folks, my goodness, this was the most pleasant surprise of the entire night, wolf came out with his hair and beard cut short.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So, of course, he had the long hair before.

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[SPEAKER_00]: By the way, he had done he had shown up on a New Year's E variety show.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Uh, one of those TV specials that they do every New Year's Eve in Japan, I saw a clip of it and he was laughing and kind of gregarious and he was in a test of strength with another guy and he won and all this stuff and I just don't okay.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Good.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I like the publicity.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I like the publicity and he seems so relaxed and I just thought, oh, where's that bed because he's looks so stiff and scared and kind of lost in his physical confrontations thus far.

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[SPEAKER_00]: until now.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And what happened when he came to the door?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, very good things.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm happy to say.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He came out black tites and boots.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He went, he went young, why, and on a ceremony.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And that seemed to get a big pop from the crowd.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, that's not what happened.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He came out in his judoku gear.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And he has rushed at the top of the ring.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And he looked like he was a wrestler.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then he was one of those like

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm laughing when I say this because there's very few times where it's appropriate in a social setting to say it, but I watched him at the top of that ramp in the joker gear and I just started yelling, take it off, take it off and then he took it off and like, okay, yes, here we go, all right, and before before we, you know, like we talked about this couple days, I was wondering.

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[SPEAKER_01]: If you're wringer, you know what I mean like are they are they were they intentionally like making him look terrible in the last time because they didn't want to give anything away or anything because you're going to get to a man.

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[SPEAKER_01]: it was something when he actually got started.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So before we even get to that, I want to talk, I don't want to talk about the match quite yet.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Again, what was the response to him coming out?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Were they itching to see this guy wrestle?

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[SPEAKER_00]: He was a star.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like it was, he was national hero energy.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He came out there and this crowd wanted to see him succeed.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They were going to lose it if they saw something that,

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[SPEAKER_01]: They would validate their belief in him, and when it started happening, this crowd lost their mind.

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[SPEAKER_00]: All right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So, all my regards to LSI is here.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Hello, glad you're with us.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So, the match begins.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And we suspected that this would be short and choreographed.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We got one of the two.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It was indeed clearly laid out very, very carefully.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Wasn't that short, though?

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[SPEAKER_00]: This thing went

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I have to say, well, like you said, maybe he was a ringer.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think he was.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think he actually was an nervous nothing he was to have.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But I have to say he was alert.

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[SPEAKER_00]: His facial expressions were better.

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[SPEAKER_00]: His selling was far better than anything we had seen before.

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[SPEAKER_00]: What to not be, evil, put together a match where he could shine.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And he performed very, very well.

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[SPEAKER_00]: At various points, he was selling the house, the torture stuff.

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[SPEAKER_00]: that look good, evil made the pacing work to Wolf's strengths.

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[SPEAKER_00]: everything meant something and of course they did some house and torture stuff where they stopped him on the outside of the ring to kind of after he got his shine the classic thing where he was knocking evil around the ring evil powder you know jumped out of the ring both literally and figuratively jumped out of the ring and said oh time out and after he had been bumped around a little bit by wolf that's just classic wrestling classic wrestling trope of the baby face getting the best of it early before the heel starts to cheat.

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[SPEAKER_00]: the the cheating allowed wolf to look vulnerable and sell a little bit the pad came off the turn buckle they whipped him in a couple of times.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He ended up rallying he ended up getting judo throws on most of the members of House of Torture.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Fale got in there and put him through a table after he looked like he was about to win.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They pulled the referee out.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He even put the guy through a table with Fale.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He took it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You can really see why Tana Hashi thinks the world of Watanabe because this is exactly the kind of debut that Wolf needed.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He ended up overcoming all the House of Torture stuff.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He had a little bit of a help from Yano, Yo, and Wato, who helped at least distract some of the members of House of Torture, allowed him to bow up on evil.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He got out of everything as evil and got an armbar, and then from the armbar he transitioned into a judo choke with a body triangle, and

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[SPEAKER_00]: He sold that well.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He hit all the little notes that you would do, or each little thing was its own moment.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He waited a few seconds before grabbing the arm, waited another second or so for dramatic tension before really pulling on it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Evil was fantastic and selling that and passing out like this was a killer move.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The referee stopped it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The place came on glued.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I was so impressed, Jeremy, after all the way it's seen, he's not Juneaukeyama.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's not Kurt Angle, as far as, like, your first man.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, what more could you ask for in a debut like this?

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[SPEAKER_00]: And the people absolutely loved him.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, they had to be high-fiving in the back.

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[SPEAKER_00]: This had to be such a relief that this went as well as it did.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And Kudos to evil for putting this together, my goodness, wonderful job.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I always knew evil was the guy, you know, like way back in the day, we're talking about who could be the guy to a fake Aaron Wolf at the dome.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We said either that Saber Jr or evil and I'm leaning evil and this is why I have advocated for evil for years, people talk about how they hate evil or they just don't like them or they just don't get them.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He is a backbone of NutriPan.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He is one of those guys that love him or hate him.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He's better than you think.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And this is an example of that because he got Aaron Wolf to a level in the last six months.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Then a lot of us were skeptical, he was ever going to get to.

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[SPEAKER_01]: like just connecting, threading a match, you know, like it's okay to hit move like to have a match from here like to hit a move here and then you hit this move and it doesn't feel organic and it doesn't feel like.

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[SPEAKER_01]: the transitions are good.

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[SPEAKER_01]: There were no issues with any of that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It was a free smooth flowing match.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He took a table bomb.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He took the powder to the face.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He did all of the things.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The question I had in the near the end of the match was, if you're going to take in everything, it's even kick out.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Or if you're going to like counter and everything, it's evil.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And either way, probably would have been like an amazing moment.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, if he kicked out of everything of evil, I think people would have just absolutely lost their mind and given given his pedigree, given how the company it got behind him and how they pushed him, I really wasn't ruling out him kicking out of like a very protected finisher like that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: With that being said, this was a home run.

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[SPEAKER_01]: This was everything that

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[SPEAKER_01]: the promotion needed in terms of hyping up somebody that they were going to build around for the next few years.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And it feels as if while it may not be smooth every step of the way, the pathway is mostly clear.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So again,

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[SPEAKER_00]: Long way to go.

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[SPEAKER_00]: This was, this was a, we'll see how he does when the match is a choreograph to make him look good, and he has to work a batch has to be called in the ring.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's everything.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So he's going to have to get this right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Hold on.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I would say that so it's early days.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We'll see, but this was.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Such a step forward from anything we had seen before that you have to leave this thing feeling and courage.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There are still a lot of steps for him to take.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And, you know, not every match is going to be laid out like that for him.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So he's going to have to do some work there too.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We'll see how that goes.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, the only thing I want to add is

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[SPEAKER_01]: the dynamic is now different.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's not young lion now.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He's on the roster.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He's going to be on the undercards.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He's going to be doing these tabs now the rep on our full board.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He's on the cards, undercards, doing whatever every night.

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[SPEAKER_01]: the rate in which he is going to learn and grow now in front of the live audience, even on the small tour, if going to massively change the pace in which he could potentially improve.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And Brad is here, glad to see Brad.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So as, oh, and Barola, 88 is here.

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[SPEAKER_00]: All right, we've got a lot of good folks here.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Brad mentions Wolf look pretty green, obviously, but this is exactly what I needed to be.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I would have liked him not to get beat up as much, but it was solid overall.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He was ganged up on and he had to overcome all of that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So you have to sell some of that in order to overcome it, rather than just have to bulldoze through things, they wanted to show that he had encountered some adversity and had gotten through it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And Jeremy Orr had a question earlier.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He said, Wolf Winnie and title in his first mass match.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Jeremy doesn't think makes sense to Jeremy Orr.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Please help me understand why.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, okay, I think I can help.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Aaron Wolf is not a normal debut.

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[SPEAKER_00]: This is a, like Jeremy said, a national hero in some way.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He is a super heavyweight, gold medalist in judo.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That is not to be discounted.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's a big sport Japan.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's a big deal.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Judo's one of those things where a lot of kids take Judo lessons in Japan a lot more than in the United States and things.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You win a gold medal super heavyweight in Japan too, like a lot of the Japanese athletes are in the lower weight divisions and thanks a super heavyweight gold medalist and that this dude is one of the bigger sports stars in the country.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He is very, very well-known and so he's not just a regular young lion, this is somebody who is garnering heavy media attention the second he walks through the door.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They want to launch him not bring him along slowly.

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[SPEAKER_00]: This is a guy who can be a star and can sell tickets immediately.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Very few young lions sell tickets at the beginning of their careers.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There's no one knows who they are.

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[SPEAKER_00]: A lot of people know who this dude is.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's a different circumstance and they wanted to launch him rather than bring him along the way.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's traditionally online would be brought through.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I looked at it and I looked like I see what Jeremy's saying, but he's a super heavyweight and he won the openweight championship.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, like what like what else do you do out the gate to underline and bold that this guy is important.

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[SPEAKER_01]: This guy is a big deal.

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[SPEAKER_01]: This is this wasn't a normal.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, when he took the key off it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, let's come out there and let's crush some folks my friends.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He will click.

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[SPEAKER_01]: If you got in the ring with this dude, you'd be like, I may have made a mistake.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's the Aaron Wolf kind of vibe here.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, him winning the never open weight.

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[SPEAKER_01]: There were very few options in which to underline and underscore, no, this guy is a big deal.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and the other thing is such a strong dude.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You're at the power slam that he gave to evil.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He almost threw him up over his shoulders out of the ring accidentally.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know what, when the way he power slammed evil, he scooped him up and he almost lost him going up.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He was watching out of it, he was just flying toward the ceiling of the building.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He had to kind of grab him and pull him back down to power slam him.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He almost launched the dude.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And the other thing that I, it reminded me of this, Jeremy.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Have you ever tried to pick up something like a suitcase or a box that you think is heavy, but it's empty?

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[SPEAKER_00]: And you're like, I have the thing and you just kind of, who are you know, and all of a sudden, you're just like, almost wing it up to the ceiling.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm like, my God, I'm strong.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then you realize something's in it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But we'll select that, like you just took like, guidance 240 pounds or whatever it is.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And almost, almost through him up, like he was gonna give him a, what's the, what's the move of the flatjack or something like that?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Instead of a power slam, and he almost had a real evil into power slam him.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Now, of course, the question Jeremy,

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[SPEAKER_00]: because God knows fightful select needs to quits.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They, of course, said that evil is exploring his option.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's fightful select's favorite thing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Exploring options, guys, maybe he will go.

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[SPEAKER_00]: If the rumors about his personal life go, NXT or something like that, I know it's weird to hear something.

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[SPEAKER_00]: No, stay with me, stay with me.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Here's the point I'm trying to make.

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[SPEAKER_00]: All of these guys should explore their options when their contracts are up.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's not news.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's not news.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's clickbait.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm not trying to indict Sean Rossap who does a good job.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But some of this stuff is this wrestler's contract is up and he's exploring his options.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's just intelligence on behalf of the wrestlers.

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[SPEAKER_00]: When your contract is up and new Japan contracts are up just about every year, especially for foreigners.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And even for the homegrown talent, it's often year to year on this stuff.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's intelligent to at least make it look like you're taking off for some other people.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe they'll up they build new Japan off up there's a little bit maybe he will go but the point is yes all these guys explore their options when their contracts are up unless new Japan gives them a contract before theirs is up and say there is up at the end of January and they come to them in December and say we like your work we're going to offer you this amount of money and it's the amount of money you want okay sign deal done right other than that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You negotiate, that's how this works.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We see this in sports all the time.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You see it in entertainment all the time.

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[SPEAKER_00]: How many times before a new season of a show start is there this, oh, I don't know if this actor's gonna come back.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He may not, they might take a movie deal instead.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then, poof, they come up with a deal on money.

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[SPEAKER_00]: This is common.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's common.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There's no reason to panic about all this just because, you know, fightful selection says someone's exploring their options.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They should.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It should be part of the process.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's not news.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's the point I'm trying to make.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Sean Ross, I have to have a good job on fight for, but some of the stuff where I see contractors up and they might be talking to, they should.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They should.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Now does that mean he's going to go, you know, rumor is he's with you sky and he's going there going, he wants to go to the states.

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[SPEAKER_00]: who knows.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But I mean, it doesn't mean he's automatically going.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It just means he's doing the smart thing and listening to offers.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But he's not a young man.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, he could go over there for a couple of years.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But it's not like he has a ton of time left.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And he's not a guy like Ocada.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, or will last brave, and I would say as far as the American audience goes, I don't know, what do you think, Jeremy?

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[SPEAKER_01]: No, I would greatly lean if he leaves.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He's going to WWE and not always.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't believe that AEW sees them as the kind of work rate marvel that he is, or he just doesn't fit with the aesthetic over there, and Tony Con has in the past made.

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[SPEAKER_01]: or had there had been press made comment regarding what Tony comic opinion could be evil or.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And with all that being said, if we were prognosticating WWE, I could see the success of the women's division in EOS guy in Oscar and Kyrie Sane.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And a number of those talents in the way they've started to thrive and be accepted by the the majority of the WWE audience.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And there

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[SPEAKER_01]: a pathway to bring in some of the records from Japan beyond the level of NATT and put them in the division alongside the men.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, Clayton's not completely unrecommended.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They got the got the faction of the LWO and they don't stuff like that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So if they were to do a faction of

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[SPEAKER_01]: Japanese male wrestlers in some way, shape or form, evil would be someone that they could make the front of that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And the global, the GAC champion for NOAA is in Amara, who is just in NXT, not too long ago.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Hey, Japanese Stan Hansen.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, the point is he might, you know, maybe yes, but the idea that he's even talking to other companies shouldn't be a big deal.

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[SPEAKER_01]: This is not happening tomorrow, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, if he's going to show up, it feels like he's going to show up tomorrow like May.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, you're going to do whatever it happened with half the torture.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The other thing is, if he believes,

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[SPEAKER_00]: That will give a vacuum in that whole area and it might be the, uh, who's up next in that in that faction if I also will tackle that and we come to it the main the main thing is, uh, you know, if he comes back and says, all right, Aaron, well, if I want to rematch loser leaves NJP W for it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, well, there we go, it will have our answer.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, totally, totally.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, you know, I think Tana has she thinks the world.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, he's putting him in positions like this.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So he's been taken care of.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You got to say he's been taken care of.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But you know what I'm talking about.

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[SPEAKER_01]: There is that response online.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And when people talk and like, oh, I can't stand evil.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, he just bothered me so much.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, why is evil in this position?

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[SPEAKER_01]: And the thing that was successful that he had, it really does feel like,

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[SPEAKER_01]: He just doesn't get the credit.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He just doesn't get the credit.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He just doesn't get the credit.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He just doesn't get the credit.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He just doesn't get the credit.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He just doesn't.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He just doesn't get the credit.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He just doesn't get the credit.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He just doesn't.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He just doesn't.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He just doesn't.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He just doesn't.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He just doesn't.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He just doesn't.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He just doesn't.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He just doesn't.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He just doesn't.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He just doesn't.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He just doesn't.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He just doesn't.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He just doesn't.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He just doesn't.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He just doesn't.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He just doesn't.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He just doesn't.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He just doesn't.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He just doesn't.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He just doesn't.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He just doesn't.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He just doesn't.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He just doesn't.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He just doesn't.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He just doesn't.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He just doesn't.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He just doesn't.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He just doesn't.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He just doesn't.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He just doesn

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[SPEAKER_00]: So, now we move on to the other title versus title match of the night, which is the IWGP World Heavyweight title held by Kanozuke Takasha against the IWGP Global Heavyweight title held by Yota Suji.

59:46.008 --> 59:48.492
[SPEAKER_00]: This went 29 minutes and 20 seconds.

59:48.792 --> 59:52.097
[SPEAKER_01]: Didn't feel like 29 minutes and 20 seconds in the arena.

59:52.077 --> 59:53.999
[SPEAKER_00]: was brilliance.

59:54.320 --> 01:00:01.288
[SPEAKER_00]: To Kesta, wearing a red arm band that symbolized Jenskaya Nakamura, he said afterwards.

01:00:01.368 --> 01:00:10.379
[SPEAKER_00]: He said that there was one guy that wanted to be here but couldn't be here and he was asked to take a little bit of him into the ring with him for Tana Hashie's final show.

01:00:10.799 --> 01:00:19.570
[SPEAKER_00]: So that red arm band on to Kesta's left arm, his left elbow right there, was for Shinskaya.

01:00:19.550 --> 01:00:22.156
[SPEAKER_00]: just let the guys show up for the ceremony for Christ's Paul.

01:00:22.237 --> 01:00:22.858
[SPEAKER_00]: Let's matter with you.

01:00:23.680 --> 01:00:24.983
[SPEAKER_00]: There's so much to matter with you, Paul.

01:00:25.084 --> 01:00:26.667
[SPEAKER_00]: There's so much to matter with you.

01:00:28.031 --> 01:00:28.853
[SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, come on now.

01:00:29.053 --> 01:00:31.158
[SPEAKER_01]: Anyway, we're not going to let it all done.

01:00:31.339 --> 01:00:32.361
[SPEAKER_01]: And we know what happened.

01:00:32.401 --> 01:00:34.226
[SPEAKER_01]: And now we don't have to litigate any of those.

01:00:34.246 --> 01:00:35.128
[SPEAKER_01]: Don't have to worry about anyone.

01:00:35.108 --> 01:00:39.897
[SPEAKER_00]: All right, this was a real strong style mash.

01:00:40.237 --> 01:00:43.584
[SPEAKER_00]: There were some hard bumps, high impact things.

01:00:44.345 --> 01:00:46.990
[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm not going to break it down, move by, move.

01:00:47.010 --> 01:00:48.533
[SPEAKER_00]: They hit each other with everything.

01:00:48.894 --> 01:00:51.258
[SPEAKER_00]: There was terrific psychology in this back and forth.

01:00:51.298 --> 01:00:53.642
[SPEAKER_00]: They're facial expressions wonderful in this.

01:00:53.682 --> 01:00:55.125
[SPEAKER_00]: There was drama,

01:00:55.105 --> 01:01:05.084
[SPEAKER_00]: And, uh, Gerry, I'm going to let you kind of fill us in a little bit about what it was like watching this match because through the TV, I felt like I could feel some of these shots they were giving each other.

01:01:05.144 --> 01:01:08.170
[SPEAKER_00]: What was it like, why have in person in the dump?

01:01:08.190 --> 01:01:11.296
[SPEAKER_01]: It was too bold fighting each other.

01:01:11.316 --> 01:01:13.901
[SPEAKER_01]: It was the impact hit hard.

01:01:14.462 --> 01:01:17.788
[SPEAKER_01]: You were watching it and, like, it was almost like,

01:01:18.072 --> 01:01:22.719
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yeah, the impact reverberated through the ring.

01:01:22.779 --> 01:01:40.907
[SPEAKER_01]: And there were many moments throughout the match including the finish where you were watching these two fight for advantage, fighting for dominant, fighting just being a little fast, a little slow, Takeshita hitting, Fuji's move, Fuji hitting, a couple of signature Takeshita moves.

01:01:40.887 --> 01:01:54.103
[SPEAKER_01]: everything to that final showdown, where they were both on other side of the ring and then we're going to like come at each other and try to hit each other finishers and one got the other right beforehand.

01:01:54.683 --> 01:02:02.693
[SPEAKER_01]: You know that that's going to happen again and the finish is getting the and the and the results are going to be a little bit different and I wait for that day because

01:02:03.432 --> 01:02:10.621
[SPEAKER_01]: I think this is the second match, the second single match is the Z-2 have had, and they had the G. No, maybe third.

01:02:10.801 --> 01:02:11.121
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.

01:02:11.262 --> 01:02:12.863
[SPEAKER_01]: I think one of the two matches left here.

01:02:13.264 --> 01:02:17.269
[SPEAKER_00]: I think there was one in block play and one in the post block play.

01:02:17.289 --> 01:02:17.389
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.

01:02:17.429 --> 01:02:22.695
[SPEAKER_01]: So they've had a few, but they have not met in almost a year and a half for the match.

01:02:22.715 --> 01:02:33.068
[SPEAKER_01]: Or since the last match, because the last time they met, we can the G-1 a year and a half ago, they never actually interacted the G-1.

01:02:33.048 --> 01:02:33.929
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.

01:02:33.949 --> 01:02:43.281
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, this was, this was the match that needed to happen in order to get Suji to the next level.

01:02:44.042 --> 01:02:54.756
[SPEAKER_01]: And I wanted this result, but there were so many things that made me feel like they weren't going to do this finish on this night and make him be the guy.

01:02:55.897 --> 01:02:57.199
[SPEAKER_01]: And

01:02:57.365 --> 01:03:05.133
[SPEAKER_01]: The one thing that I was thinking about over and over again of what this New Japan looked like on January 5th when Tana Hashis no longer on the roster.

01:03:05.854 --> 01:03:12.901
[SPEAKER_01]: And it's Fuji, the guy above it all, or if he just did another guy fighting for his play.

01:03:12.921 --> 01:03:15.303
[SPEAKER_01]: And they went with him as the guy.

01:03:15.704 --> 01:03:21.910
[SPEAKER_01]: Now, that first match, and he's going to have out of the guy, if I don't event, uphill battle.

01:03:22.150 --> 01:03:26.815
[SPEAKER_01]: There could be a lot of people there going to have to be convinced that this looks the play.

01:03:27.976 --> 01:03:28.837
[SPEAKER_00]: It's going to be so short.

01:03:28.857 --> 01:03:29.418
[SPEAKER_01]: It's going to be so short.

01:03:29.879 --> 01:03:30.059
[SPEAKER_01]: Right?

01:03:30.240 --> 01:03:36.730
[SPEAKER_01]: This moment in time in the opportunity to cash it up, made Eugene look like the net God of New Japan.

01:03:37.311 --> 01:03:46.845
[SPEAKER_01]: To cash it up himself, looked like a shadow of a nokey in a lot of ways, deep to brought out the best of each other.

01:03:47.266 --> 01:03:54.237
[SPEAKER_01]: And I hope that this is one of those rivalries that we return to over and over and over to work throughout the years.

01:03:54.267 --> 01:03:55.271
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I hope so too.

01:03:55.652 --> 01:04:04.969
[SPEAKER_00]: I think to catch this more like another Ocata just as far as the size and the charisma and the timing and the way he can just work with his opponent strengths, but

01:04:05.641 --> 01:04:07.965
[SPEAKER_00]: is sushi kept hitting him in the gut.

01:04:07.985 --> 01:04:18.465
[SPEAKER_00]: Now just to be clear, Takesha wasn't just carrying sushi to a, sushi was absolutely neck and neck with him and working just as hard and doing justice much.

01:04:18.485 --> 01:04:22.092
[SPEAKER_00]: This is not a man being carried who isn't as good as the other.

01:04:22.132 --> 01:04:24.336
[SPEAKER_00]: These were two very, very good wrestlers.

01:04:24.977 --> 01:04:25.438
[SPEAKER_00]: And,

01:04:26.347 --> 01:04:29.232
[SPEAKER_00]: He kept hitting to cash in the gut.

01:04:29.252 --> 01:04:30.113
[SPEAKER_00]: That was a big thing.

01:04:30.153 --> 01:04:40.670
[SPEAKER_00]: Sometimes just full-on punches, a lot of blows to the ribs, to the abdomen, and all of it was leading something, which is, I love when they do stuff like that.

01:04:40.770 --> 01:04:44.676
[SPEAKER_00]: And when there's a long-term story within a match, and this is one of them.

01:04:44.656 --> 01:04:47.480
[SPEAKER_00]: You mentioned it after they had hit each other, which is everything in the world.

01:04:47.520 --> 01:04:54.370
[SPEAKER_00]: He hit the Guerrero special, gosh, he hit all the big, all the big, all the big, all the bigs.

01:04:54.870 --> 01:04:56.953
[SPEAKER_00]: And raging fire, he got a foot on the rope.

01:04:56.993 --> 01:04:58.275
[SPEAKER_00]: So all this stuff, back and forth.

01:04:58.976 --> 01:05:05.765
[SPEAKER_00]: And then they had this moment where they looked each other in the eye, were literally forehead to forehead, snarled at each other, smile at each other, even.

01:05:06.126 --> 01:05:09.651
[SPEAKER_00]: And then almost like gunslingers doing the ten paces thing.

01:05:09.931 --> 01:05:12.655
[SPEAKER_00]: They just backed into opposite corners.

01:05:12.635 --> 01:05:19.831
[SPEAKER_00]: gear each other up and charged at each other, and it was sushi that hit the gene blast before to catch it could get the running knee.

01:05:20.554 --> 01:05:21.278
[SPEAKER_00]: And then,

01:05:21.933 --> 01:05:28.782
[SPEAKER_00]: Just to really put the perfect ending on it, he didn't pin them off the gene blaster.

01:05:28.982 --> 01:05:30.785
[SPEAKER_00]: He put him in a Boston crab.

01:05:31.586 --> 01:05:46.405
[SPEAKER_00]: And with all that damage to his core, all the damage to his back and his ribs and his abdomen, he sat down in a deep, deep squat, even after a 30 minute

01:05:46.570 --> 01:05:53.197
[SPEAKER_00]: two attempts at getting out of it and couldn't quite do it, and he tapped to a Boston crab.

01:05:53.577 --> 01:06:00.084
[SPEAKER_00]: The most basic move in the arsenal, Suji just went to New Japan Fundamentals.

01:06:00.505 --> 01:06:06.191
[SPEAKER_00]: Trademark, New Japan Fundamental Wrestling at BPAEW Invader.

01:06:06.451 --> 01:06:07.933
[SPEAKER_00]: That's the story they were trying to tell.

01:06:08.473 --> 01:06:13.118
[SPEAKER_00]: And like Zylam Arx said this, they said that VTR, they did,

01:06:13.098 --> 01:06:17.426
[SPEAKER_00]: gave us the perfect tagline, made in Japan versus made in New Japan.

01:06:18.047 --> 01:06:20.050
[SPEAKER_00]: And the whole thing was that's great.

01:06:20.651 --> 01:06:27.383
[SPEAKER_00]: Soji broke him down and beat him with exactly the fundamentals that you can only get from the No Gay Dojo.

01:06:27.523 --> 01:06:29.166
[SPEAKER_00]: That's the story that we're telling.

01:06:29.146 --> 01:06:29.987
[SPEAKER_00]: And he won with it.

01:06:30.548 --> 01:06:33.771
[SPEAKER_00]: And absolutely brilliant, sushi was incredible in it.

01:06:34.152 --> 01:06:41.380
[SPEAKER_00]: And I thought this was a very proper strong style Tokyo dome world title match.

01:06:41.580 --> 01:06:48.287
[SPEAKER_00]: It would have been absolutely at home as the main of any of any of any other show like Brad mentioned, except this one because we had another match to come.

01:06:48.788 --> 01:06:50.029
[SPEAKER_00]: And that turned out to be great too.

01:06:50.129 --> 01:06:54.394
[SPEAKER_00]: But if this ended most other wrestle kingdoms would have been perfect refinement.

01:06:55.066 --> 01:07:08.941
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I talked about it at the top of the show, but that Boston Crab at the young lion of actually the very beginning felt incredibly deliberate to be added at the very last minute and to have them finish of a Boston Crab.

01:07:09.281 --> 01:07:14.927
[SPEAKER_01]: Try my new, like this is how when you start New Japan, this is how you win your matches, this is how you're taught to win.

01:07:15.728 --> 01:07:24.077
[SPEAKER_01]: And so when Yota Fuji beat the guy who didn't come up in the Dojo

01:07:24.935 --> 01:07:52.107
[SPEAKER_01]: are this way is the way it just felt like there was no other finish, you know, and I remember I was watching a watching, I think the AEW match and I wondered if O'Connor to capture was going to pin it was going to submit it one of the others in a boxing crab, just because of the thing,

01:07:52.087 --> 01:08:15.775
[SPEAKER_01]: I kind of hope that so do you win a few more matches with the boxing crab just to really go how devastating if you're at a top level what that move can do to somebody because when they do it at the young lines you almost feel like the teeth are taking off the move because you can be one of an unexperienced guy with it but how many people really be in a top guy with that move.

01:08:16.075 --> 01:08:16.836
[SPEAKER_01]: Now you've done it.

01:08:17.176 --> 01:08:19.579
[SPEAKER_01]: Now you've already almost re-established that.

01:08:19.846 --> 01:08:27.038
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm really curious to see if the Boston crab is more over now going forward and here's why I say that 30 years ago in the Tokyo done.

01:08:27.288 --> 01:08:32.295
[SPEAKER_00]: All right, no, he could to Cata was UW-FIs champion.

01:08:32.315 --> 01:08:40.787
[SPEAKER_00]: He had been a New Japan junior heavyweight and been a really good New Japan wrestler and then they broke off to form UW-F and UW-FIs over the years.

01:08:40.807 --> 01:08:44.192
[SPEAKER_00]: These are shoe promotions, but they were worth shoes.

01:08:44.552 --> 01:08:51.642
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, they were supposed to look like a real fight before we knew what real fights look like because it was before really MMA developed.

01:08:51.993 --> 01:08:54.516
[SPEAKER_00]: So the presentation was UW-FIs.

01:08:54.576 --> 01:08:57.960
[SPEAKER_00]: Their whole thing was, you know, pro wrestling rules, but it's a real fight.

01:08:58.520 --> 01:09:01.083
[SPEAKER_00]: That was the, that was the gimmick.

01:09:01.103 --> 01:09:03.606
[SPEAKER_00]: They were worked, but they, they brought in Vader.

01:09:04.327 --> 01:09:07.470
[SPEAKER_00]: No, but he could take out those, their top star of this company at the time.

01:09:08.171 --> 01:09:14.999
[SPEAKER_00]: And they had shows that drew huge crowds in stadiums and including in the Tokyo dump.

01:09:15.879 --> 01:09:19.063
[SPEAKER_00]: But we talked a little bit about this a while ago.

01:09:19.516 --> 01:09:34.167
[SPEAKER_00]: Like with Eugene Agada when he was trying to do MMA, the issue with those shoe promotions is you can't run a lot of shows because the guys get beat up doing that type of thing and it's it's challenging and anyway they ended up running into financial trouble.

01:09:34.231 --> 01:10:00.063
[SPEAKER_00]: just because it was hard to keep the lights on and so they had some shows that were the Drew Big and did well, but the company still wasn't quite viable and they would lose guys and you know, because other shoot promotions sprung up, there were copycats or trying to capitalize on the market and they all kind of ended up, they all kind of ended up deluding the whole thing until nobody could really get make money.

01:10:00.743 --> 01:10:01.564
[SPEAKER_00]: That makes any sense.

01:10:02.546 --> 01:10:03.647
[SPEAKER_00]: All this to say,

01:10:04.505 --> 01:10:12.275
[SPEAKER_00]: They came back just like the first time with UWF came back to New Japan and they ran promotion versus promotion, although they owned UWFI at this point.

01:10:12.335 --> 01:10:15.719
[SPEAKER_00]: It was over with, but they presented it as promotion versus promotion.

01:10:15.739 --> 01:10:20.305
[SPEAKER_00]: And the main event was to Kada versus kg Mudo in the dump and it was a whole night.

01:10:20.645 --> 01:10:23.769
[SPEAKER_00]: It's in Chris Charlton's egg shells book, he breaks it down quite a bit.

01:10:24.850 --> 01:10:27.173
[SPEAKER_00]: Here's the key, Mudo versus to Kada.

01:10:27.774 --> 01:10:33.381
[SPEAKER_00]: And to Kada had just been from a promotion that said that pro wrestling is fake,

01:10:34.677 --> 01:10:39.502
[SPEAKER_00]: They're wrestling in the main event of the dome, terrific match, because Dakota was a good worker.

01:10:39.902 --> 01:10:43.426
[SPEAKER_00]: And of course, Muto at this point was pretty much close to the prime of his career.

01:10:44.227 --> 01:10:46.509
[SPEAKER_00]: And he beat Dakota with a figure four.

01:10:47.130 --> 01:10:52.295
[SPEAKER_00]: The symbolic thing being, this is the most pro wrestling move of pro wrestling moves, right?

01:10:52.716 --> 01:10:53.697
[SPEAKER_00]: But it beats the shooter.

01:10:54.117 --> 01:10:54.858
[SPEAKER_00]: It beats the shooter.

01:10:55.098 --> 01:10:56.259
[SPEAKER_00]: He quit to the figure four.

01:10:56.580 --> 01:10:57.541
[SPEAKER_00]: People weren't tapping yet.

01:10:57.621 --> 01:10:59.042
[SPEAKER_00]: So it was a verbal submission, remember?

01:10:59.062 --> 01:11:01.765
[SPEAKER_00]: People weren't tapping until like the late 90s.

01:11:01.745 --> 01:11:16.362
[SPEAKER_00]: he gave up to the figure four and so pro wrestling once again defeats the other the other the other invading force right and afterwards the figure four was the hottest move in Japanese pro wrestling

01:11:16.696 --> 01:11:17.357
[SPEAKER_00]: like overnight.

01:11:17.437 --> 01:11:18.938
[SPEAKER_00]: It had been just a thing that you do.

01:11:18.998 --> 01:11:20.639
[SPEAKER_00]: Rick Flair does it when he comes over here.

01:11:20.700 --> 01:11:25.604
[SPEAKER_00]: But for after that, you put a figure for on somebody and the crowd would just go nuts.

01:11:25.784 --> 01:11:30.949
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm curious to see if there's a little extra steam now if you've pardoned the pun on the crowd.

01:11:32.010 --> 01:11:37.795
[SPEAKER_00]: The Boston crowd when people start putting it on, if it gets a bit of a bigger response, because you have to sue me one such a big match with it.

01:11:37.975 --> 01:11:46.062
[SPEAKER_00]: But there's a precedent for that, where an invading force is beaten by a very pro wrestling move as a symbolic gesture that

01:11:46.396 --> 01:11:47.577
[SPEAKER_00]: We're still the kings of the sport.

01:11:50.061 --> 01:11:55.047
[SPEAKER_01]: I hope that that box can grab against Rithalic like you mentioned the figure four.

01:11:55.107 --> 01:11:58.672
[SPEAKER_01]: Everything about this match, it was the right finish.

01:11:59.292 --> 01:12:00.454
[SPEAKER_01]: It was the right two people.

01:12:00.654 --> 01:12:01.856
[SPEAKER_01]: It was the right moment.

01:12:02.697 --> 01:12:04.179
[SPEAKER_01]: It was the right everything.

01:12:04.419 --> 01:12:15.593
[SPEAKER_01]: I hope that this is one of those matches that people talk about in the future is just one of those all-time classes that you got to make sure because these are the modern legend now.

01:12:16.180 --> 01:12:19.745
[SPEAKER_01]: Tonahashi rolling into the subject.

01:12:19.765 --> 01:12:24.051
[SPEAKER_01]: You look at every one of those guys that was in the retirement, right?

01:12:24.732 --> 01:12:27.816
[SPEAKER_01]: And they are now the past of New Japan.

01:12:28.337 --> 01:12:30.100
[SPEAKER_01]: What we were seeing is the future.

01:12:30.660 --> 01:12:34.406
[SPEAKER_01]: And these are, this is the next age.

01:12:34.906 --> 01:12:36.929
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, like the age of Tonahashi is over.

01:12:37.330 --> 01:12:46.002
[SPEAKER_01]: The age of, the age of whatever strong style was with

01:12:46.572 --> 01:12:52.338
[SPEAKER_01]: We're going to get into this right now, but it was over and this was the heralding of a new era.

01:12:53.059 --> 01:13:02.828
[SPEAKER_00]: I'll tell you what, the first thing I noticed too was that era in your exactly right that whole super strong style locata tana hashi naka moro mega.

01:13:04.790 --> 01:13:09.255
[SPEAKER_00]: Those guys are way too young to be needing that much help getting up and down the set of ring steps.

01:13:09.455 --> 01:13:16.242
[SPEAKER_01]: I walked out of boosha style because I don't know what the hell you were thinking

01:13:17.150 --> 01:13:17.951
[SPEAKER_01]: my god.

01:13:18.552 --> 01:13:18.652
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

01:13:18.672 --> 01:13:23.577
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, but, but Omega, Naito, none of these guys can get up and down and set a steps.

01:13:23.597 --> 01:13:23.977
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.

01:13:24.158 --> 01:13:25.479
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it will last break.

01:13:25.519 --> 01:13:26.961
[SPEAKER_00]: It can barely move his neck anymore.

01:13:27.021 --> 01:13:33.148
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, that style was fun to watch in the moment, but we are seeing some real tolls.

01:13:33.188 --> 01:13:35.190
[SPEAKER_00]: The receipt for coming human beings, man.

01:13:35.270 --> 01:13:37.272
[SPEAKER_01]: I watched, I, I think it's all.

01:13:37.592 --> 01:13:38.093
[SPEAKER_00]: It's sober.

01:13:38.153 --> 01:13:38.934
[SPEAKER_00]: I watched these guys.

01:13:39.535 --> 01:13:42.718
[SPEAKER_01]: And I saw Omega, and it was like,

01:13:43.407 --> 01:13:44.970
[SPEAKER_01]: These guys are no longer young.

01:13:45.651 --> 01:13:50.358
[SPEAKER_01]: They look like they are in a bit of pain.

01:13:50.959 --> 01:13:52.742
[SPEAKER_01]: You know what I mean, just a business thing?

01:13:53.183 --> 01:13:57.890
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, obviously, we will offer a still coming through net surgery.

01:13:58.111 --> 01:14:04.541
[SPEAKER_01]: I can only imagine what that flight from the UK to even on business or first class.

01:14:05.703 --> 01:14:05.803
[SPEAKER_01]: Like.

01:14:05.783 --> 01:14:06.604
[SPEAKER_01]: it's rough.

01:14:06.624 --> 01:14:33.495
[SPEAKER_01]: I actually ran into him after the show and that dude was tired and he looked like he just like he was ready to just get some food and call it a night and you know you want to just like say like hey you're like you know what maybe not the time and maybe I get this opportunity to feature I doubt it but it would be more about me than him truly appreciating getting it flowers.

01:14:33.897 --> 01:14:49.876
[SPEAKER_00]: I think we mentioned that the January 4th is my birthday and all this stuff, but it's funny that my partner Ginger, she actually got me for my birthday, the year that he was wrestling Ocata in the dome, a cameo for my birthday from Willasbury, from the Tokyo Don hotel.

01:14:50.536 --> 01:14:50.877
[SPEAKER_00]: That's all.

01:14:51.097 --> 01:14:51.437
[SPEAKER_00]: It is.

01:14:51.718 --> 01:14:52.459
[SPEAKER_00]: I still haven't saved.

01:14:52.499 --> 01:14:53.039
[SPEAKER_00]: It's really good.

01:14:53.520 --> 01:14:54.081
[SPEAKER_00]: We'll be right back.

01:14:54.161 --> 01:14:55.182
[SPEAKER_00]: I have to go credit hotel.

01:14:55.662 --> 01:14:57.585
[SPEAKER_00]: Internet decent.

01:14:57.605 --> 01:14:57.905
[SPEAKER_00]: Sure.

01:14:57.925 --> 01:14:58.986
[SPEAKER_00]: It's been a good connection.

01:14:59.046 --> 01:14:59.387
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.

01:14:59.767 --> 01:15:01.069
[SPEAKER_00]: We're down to the main event now.

01:15:01.109 --> 01:15:03.111
[SPEAKER_00]: We've already talked a little bit about the aftermath.

01:15:03.091 --> 01:15:12.291
[SPEAKER_01]: We'll get more into it there, but this style I got out of for Dave and Dave's guys when you show up on Thursday, yeah, I'm I'm unloading the clip on this so

01:15:12.912 --> 01:15:17.738
[SPEAKER_00]: Jake Lee interrupted soon as you speech and beat up Suji and interrupted speech.

01:15:17.758 --> 01:15:18.920
[SPEAKER_00]: A lot of people were upset about that.

01:15:19.521 --> 01:15:21.884
[SPEAKER_01]: It'll be a crowd for a moment there like, oh, all right.

01:15:21.904 --> 01:15:24.848
[SPEAKER_00]: Suji is going, this is what they did with Naito and Kenta.

01:15:24.888 --> 01:15:30.035
[SPEAKER_00]: Remember, when Naito first won the main event, the thing is this didn't bother me because it was another match to go.

01:15:30.075 --> 01:15:35.342
[SPEAKER_00]: Some day, Yoda Suji is going to make that speech and it's going to end the night.

01:15:35.322 --> 01:15:36.564
[SPEAKER_01]: then it's going to be the same.

01:15:36.744 --> 01:15:36.984
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

01:15:37.605 --> 01:15:43.133
[SPEAKER_01]: Like how do you how do you make the feel not like the third most important thing on the show and granted?

01:15:44.415 --> 01:15:47.379
[SPEAKER_01]: It did feel like the second most important thing on the show.

01:15:47.779 --> 01:16:01.178
[SPEAKER_01]: It did outkick the Aaron Wolf thing in many, many ways, but by stealing the opportunity to really soak in that celebration and interrupting it, it

01:16:02.339 --> 01:16:09.892
[SPEAKER_01]: It made the audience mad for Suji, rather than thinking, oh, maybe this would have been better to happen on a different night.

01:16:10.533 --> 01:16:13.859
[SPEAKER_01]: By the fact that you didn't get it, we're almost like it's for Gabriel.

01:16:14.420 --> 01:16:17.766
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, because now there's still something for Suji to do.

01:16:18.016 --> 01:16:43.332
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, there's still something the surgery needs to do and they made it important when he had both titles and that was important to me, you know, like they handed him the global title and then there was a ceremony with, you know, the top guys and the truth and they're handing it to him and it just felt like a moment of like, okay, yeah, you have done what you need to do to make this guy be the guy to stand out above the rest and that's what needed to happen.

01:16:43.447 --> 01:17:07.047
[SPEAKER_00]: Important note, both to catch the hand sushi before the match said that they wanted both of them said that we want to defend the titles separately so there is still a global title there's still a world heavyweight title We'll see if sushi actually brings back the old title or mergeset with the old lineage sushi wants his name to be on the same list as Muto and You know, Chono and Ocata and all the rest right there.

01:17:07.067 --> 01:17:07.868
[SPEAKER_00]: That's the thing.

01:17:07.988 --> 01:17:09.150
[SPEAKER_00]: We'll see if they do all that very

01:17:09.130 --> 01:17:15.699
[SPEAKER_01]: It's very deliberately, Jake Lee grabbed the world title and talked to the Fuji and had nothing to deal with the global title.

01:17:15.719 --> 01:17:18.943
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and we have two different new beginnings coming up, keep in mind.

01:17:19.043 --> 01:17:20.985
[SPEAKER_00]: One of the United States, one in Osaka.

01:17:21.086 --> 01:17:25.972
[SPEAKER_00]: We'll talk about the other dates that they've announced at the dome today, a lot of announcements that the dome today.

01:17:26.292 --> 01:17:29.977
[SPEAKER_00]: So there are two big shows coming in two titles.

01:17:30.198 --> 01:17:31.299
[SPEAKER_00]: So my workout perfectly.

01:17:31.399 --> 01:17:32.100
[SPEAKER_00]: All right.

01:17:33.262 --> 01:17:36.988
[SPEAKER_00]: I wrote you down a hashy in Kazuchoka, what a dissiming, right?

01:17:37.449 --> 01:17:38.451
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh my goodness.

01:17:38.471 --> 01:17:43.960
[SPEAKER_01]: Like no, I would have thought to count maybe a little bit more.

01:17:44.000 --> 01:17:51.913
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, like maybe like you're taking a few extra moments to make sure that you know, all these fine details were curated.

01:17:51.933 --> 01:17:58.003
[SPEAKER_01]: I just, I feel like they have asked, no, I just got this with them.

01:17:58.878 --> 01:18:07.907
[SPEAKER_00]: So, of course we're kidding, this was brilliant, and it was the greatest hits, and a lot of ways, they did do all the greatest hits, that's what you were hoping for.

01:18:07.947 --> 01:18:13.393
[SPEAKER_00]: This thing went 33 minutes, and Tana Hashie was amazing in this patch.

01:18:13.413 --> 01:18:16.757
[SPEAKER_00]: Okada was Okada, like the old Okada, like the New Japan Okada.

01:18:16.777 --> 01:18:23.784
[SPEAKER_00]: This is the best version that each of them is capable of being, Okada totally understood the assignment and he played heel completely.

01:18:24.024 --> 01:18:27.568
[SPEAKER_00]: We got the coin drop, but we got the new music.

01:18:27.650 --> 01:18:32.936
[SPEAKER_00]: then when he's in there, he prepares for the rainmaker pose and comes up with the middle finger.

01:18:32.996 --> 01:18:37.402
[SPEAKER_00]: He was AEW, Okaada, so that there was no ambiguity.

01:18:37.462 --> 01:18:39.885
[SPEAKER_00]: You are booing him, you are cheering the ace.

01:18:40.466 --> 01:18:41.327
[SPEAKER_00]: That is what we're here to do.

01:18:41.347 --> 01:18:42.568
[SPEAKER_00]: It was a clear signal to the audience.

01:18:42.989 --> 01:18:43.489
[SPEAKER_00]: It's okay.

01:18:44.030 --> 01:18:45.271
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, I'm happy to be back to.

01:18:45.572 --> 01:18:46.533
[SPEAKER_00]: But go ahead and boom me.

01:18:46.793 --> 01:18:47.935
[SPEAKER_00]: This is about Hiroshi.

01:18:48.155 --> 01:18:50.337
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, just, we're all in on Hiroshi.

01:18:50.638 --> 01:18:54.923
[SPEAKER_00]: Crowd was with it the whole time.

01:18:54.903 --> 01:19:00.911
[SPEAKER_00]: How long's it been since he was this damn good and they hit all the big moves.

01:19:00.931 --> 01:19:07.801
[SPEAKER_00]: They threw in some other stuff in the middle of the match Tana Hashie did Shabbada's P.K.

01:19:08.361 --> 01:19:12.607
[SPEAKER_00]: Kind of the kick then he goes to the corner and does knock a horror thing.

01:19:12.707 --> 01:19:15.952
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and then hits the boom by a he did well.

01:19:16.092 --> 01:19:20.438
[SPEAKER_01]: It was not the prettiest bow by it, but it was like

01:19:21.245 --> 01:19:29.681
[SPEAKER_01]: It was that moment, honestly, where it really like it's coming to a close, you know.

01:19:29.721 --> 01:19:39.118
[SPEAKER_01]: And it was the tribute head and the little things and all that you keep going, but the moment they got me was I'll tell you in a sec.

01:19:39.166 --> 01:19:49.126
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, but it was signature spot after signature spot and toward the end, oh, oh, kind of just kind of overcame him and the story became the town of how she just wouldn't quit.

01:19:49.286 --> 01:19:50.649
[SPEAKER_00]: And it was all his resilience.

01:19:50.970 --> 01:19:54.677
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, kind of what hit him something huge like a rainmaker or, uh,

01:19:54.657 --> 01:20:00.125
[SPEAKER_00]: pile driver after a pile driver, tombstones and all that, and town to just wouldn't stay down, right?

01:20:00.706 --> 01:20:21.897
[SPEAKER_00]: Even rallied and hit the high fly flow to the back of Ocada, then rolled them over and jumped for another high fly flow, made you wonder, it's just for a second, if he wasn't going to win the damn thing, terrific one there, and then Ocada got his knees up, took over again, and it all built down to Ocada finally, finally hitting him with enough stuff where he

01:20:21.877 --> 01:20:48.390
[SPEAKER_00]: lands the rainmaker pose, he hits the big elbow off the top rather, hits the rainmaker pose, the true one, the real one, tears in his eyes, tears in Okada's eyes, pigs were there, he was a back for me, he was blinking a lot, he was looking up at the top of the dome and blinking a lot, and then spins town of Hashi around Kloberson with one more rainmaker

01:20:48.370 --> 01:20:52.159
[SPEAKER_00]: Absolutely, everything you could ask for it exceeded my expectations for sure.

01:20:52.179 --> 01:20:56.448
[SPEAKER_00]: And I think just about everybody else's Brad has a question for you, Jeremy, that I want to know the answer to as well.

01:20:56.689 --> 01:21:01.620
[SPEAKER_00]: He's asking, what was the reaction when his new theme hit after the coin drop?

01:21:02.326 --> 01:21:04.009
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, well, no, we have this virtual card.

01:21:04.690 --> 01:21:20.335
[SPEAKER_01]: It was they knew it was Ocata and it was almost like it was a relevant with the music was because it just it just was I have a photo here to bring it back up here and just say.

01:21:21.108 --> 01:21:28.077
[SPEAKER_00]: But yes, so you're saying that the crowd was totally into Ocada being there as well and then and we're all about it, right?

01:21:28.097 --> 01:21:32.843
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, this was not a, oh, that guy, he was they were happy to see him.

01:21:32.863 --> 01:21:43.596
[SPEAKER_01]: That's Ocada after the match of the over after he penned Tonahashi and he's just taking in like the entire scenario.

01:21:43.616 --> 01:21:49.343
[SPEAKER_01]: And I just, I watched it for a second and That was a dude who

01:21:49.998 --> 01:21:50.952
[SPEAKER_01]: Two things to me.

01:21:51.947 --> 01:21:52.414
[SPEAKER_01]: One.

01:21:53.575 --> 01:21:57.098
[SPEAKER_01]: He knew that he had done what he needed to do for the match.

01:21:58.039 --> 01:22:03.565
[SPEAKER_01]: But, too, when you do something like this, you start to think about your own career.

01:22:03.905 --> 01:22:11.192
[SPEAKER_01]: And you start to think like, dogged or closing in a career that I've had and like, chapter-group or closing.

01:22:11.252 --> 01:22:14.876
[SPEAKER_01]: And there's like a reflection, like a pentziveness.

01:22:15.176 --> 01:22:22.063
[SPEAKER_01]: And near the end of this match, I 1000 felt that, 1000 felt that from Ocata.

01:22:22.043 --> 01:22:26.571
[SPEAKER_01]: and you were talking about the pin and you were talking about all these other things.

01:22:27.192 --> 01:22:45.283
[SPEAKER_01]: When Ocada took Tonahashi to the outside of the ring and when he took him up to the ramp and like was fighting him, you can triangulate me in between both of those spots because to my left was them on the ramp fighting and to my right.

01:22:45.263 --> 01:22:49.133
[SPEAKER_01]: was them outside the ring when Okada did the DDT on them.

01:22:49.213 --> 01:22:53.845
[SPEAKER_01]: So you could just feel the energy of this whole match going around after you.

01:22:54.566 --> 01:22:56.050
[SPEAKER_01]: And I got to tell you Steven.

01:22:57.481 --> 01:23:05.090
[SPEAKER_01]: He did the first rainmaker post with the with the middle finger and I ran and he got all the heat like they're like boo like that's not what we want.

01:23:05.791 --> 01:23:22.830
[SPEAKER_01]: When he realized that he had to become like the old rainmaker to put this guy away because he gave him the area and he kicked out and then he he did the rainmaker pose this crowd and like.

01:23:23.013 --> 01:23:28.470
[SPEAKER_01]: It was, it was the exact perfect, like thing to do.

01:23:28.931 --> 01:23:34.508
[SPEAKER_01]: It was, you needed the old Drunkstyle Ocona, not the AEW one.

01:23:34.927 --> 01:23:40.613
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, you got to music, but to put this guy away, you needed the oldocata and you got it.

01:23:41.094 --> 01:23:44.698
[SPEAKER_01]: And this crowd respected that so much.

01:23:45.038 --> 01:23:49.363
[SPEAKER_01]: And then, you know,ocata broke his character for a little bit right after words.

01:23:49.903 --> 01:23:51.665
[SPEAKER_01]: He did the, the thank you.

01:23:52.025 --> 01:23:54.708
[SPEAKER_01]: And then, you know, he just, he's job here was done.

01:23:54.728 --> 01:24:00.995
[SPEAKER_01]: And he needed to leave the ring because there's no reason for him to celebrate with the guy that he just took his career from.

01:24:01.596 --> 01:24:01.776
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

01:24:01.796 --> 01:24:01.896
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

01:24:01.876 --> 01:24:17.164
[SPEAKER_00]: And of course, the key to, by the way, no sign or mention really of Don Callos during the Brook, other than Don Callos family, Rocky Romero came out with Takeshita and Rocky was on the call with Chris and Walker during the Tana Hashio Kata match.

01:24:17.705 --> 01:24:21.252
[SPEAKER_01]: And he said, you know, with Okada on in the main event.

01:24:21.232 --> 01:24:32.928
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, classic ghetto chaos ghetto with the the bandano resized and rocky by the way, really good in that on as an animal is stirring that means a man managed putting that into perspective as well.

01:24:33.650 --> 01:24:45.366
[SPEAKER_00]: How much work rock you'll be doing with the Japan going forward, you know, I don't know, but it's just it's striking to me that with with all of that.

01:24:46.578 --> 01:24:48.681
[SPEAKER_00]: just how much those two stepped up.

01:24:48.922 --> 01:24:53.849
[SPEAKER_00]: And if you would, I could have written a list of spots that were going to be in this match and I'd have been right.

01:24:54.250 --> 01:25:08.873
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, the town of how she's sitting up on the top turn buckle.

01:25:08.853 --> 01:25:21.664
[SPEAKER_00]: The way these guys put this match together just shows why they are on an elite plane of this art form and why almost nobody else has reached that level they made.

01:25:22.808 --> 01:25:27.775
[SPEAKER_00]: A series of moves that everybody expected, feel like a drama you've never seen before.

01:25:28.135 --> 01:25:28.916
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

01:25:28.936 --> 01:25:31.460
[SPEAKER_00]: And absolute brilliance from both of them.

01:25:31.540 --> 01:25:32.621
[SPEAKER_00]: I can't say enough about it.

01:25:32.762 --> 01:25:37.608
[SPEAKER_00]: And I remember texting you right there was just like they had one more in them.

01:25:37.628 --> 01:25:38.570
[SPEAKER_00]: They had one more in them.

01:25:38.850 --> 01:25:42.335
[SPEAKER_00]: We wondered, I said, it's not gonna be a classic like their past ones.

01:25:43.036 --> 01:25:44.838
[SPEAKER_00]: They came up with a way, they came up with a way.

01:25:44.998 --> 01:25:47.702
[SPEAKER_01]: And this is a deeply satisfying match to watch.

01:25:47.817 --> 01:25:51.566
[SPEAKER_01]: I remember we did our interview with Milk's, right?

01:25:51.667 --> 01:25:59.948
[SPEAKER_01]: And I asked him, do you think it could be like John Sino where he'd not have good as he won't close, but for one night, he wasn't good as he ever was.

01:26:00.268 --> 01:26:03.717
[SPEAKER_01]: And he wasn't as good as he ever was, but that dude came close.

01:26:04.861 --> 01:26:05.823
[SPEAKER_00]: And it was brilliant.

01:26:05.843 --> 01:26:09.689
[SPEAKER_01]: So afterwards, you want to go to the money actually, Steven, please, I work up today.

01:26:10.250 --> 01:26:22.670
[SPEAKER_01]: And I saw an article that said that scientists have found a way to regrow cartilage in knees and to develop anti-aging inside your knees.

01:26:22.690 --> 01:26:24.653
[SPEAKER_01]: I was just like, you missed it by one day.

01:26:25.314 --> 01:26:28.860
[SPEAKER_01]: Why haven't you missed it?

01:26:28.840 --> 01:26:31.412
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, cursing the whole world of the universe.

01:26:31.432 --> 01:26:38.023
[SPEAKER_01]: So it's like, of course, of course on January 5th, 2026, science has found a way to repair cartilage of somebody.

01:26:38.797 --> 01:26:41.740
[SPEAKER_00]: Uh, the universe is a cruel, cruel thing.

01:26:42.160 --> 01:26:42.541
[SPEAKER_00]: All right.

01:26:42.621 --> 01:26:45.224
[SPEAKER_00]: So, all right, highly emotional.

01:26:45.344 --> 01:26:49.208
[SPEAKER_00]: I do want to ask this, yes, the noise in that stadium during that match.

01:26:49.288 --> 01:26:51.750
[SPEAKER_00]: What was that energy like in a full building?

01:26:52.171 --> 01:26:52.671
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.

01:26:53.352 --> 01:27:01.360
[SPEAKER_01]: So, the last few matches, especially in the Ocauta and Tonahashi match, you were reacting to every hit.

01:27:02.522 --> 01:27:02.982
[SPEAKER_01]: And,

01:27:04.345 --> 01:27:13.133
[SPEAKER_01]: The audience would react and the sound almost felt like a pulse that you could feel, you know, like the sound actually carried a little bit of force.

01:27:13.153 --> 01:27:22.261
[SPEAKER_01]: So it was like, oh, and like 40,000, 50,000 people would respond to like what was happening in the unison.

01:27:22.301 --> 01:27:31.990
[SPEAKER_01]: And you could hear it on the screen, but inside the arena, it just had that little extra kinetic noise when like you're feeling

01:27:31.970 --> 01:27:42.468
[SPEAKER_01]: Everyone making that sound and the sound pushing me air it just kind of like it was so much pressure in that building that you could feel it when people responded to move and.

01:27:42.508 --> 01:27:46.975
[SPEAKER_01]: I've been into a big arena I think I've been.

01:27:47.883 --> 01:27:51.066
[SPEAKER_01]: I was the Mania 28, rock versus Sina.

01:27:51.106 --> 01:27:53.849
[SPEAKER_01]: I was there alive for that one, but it was open air.

01:27:54.570 --> 01:27:59.455
[SPEAKER_01]: So like you could feel it and the arena would shake with the momentum and all that.

01:27:59.955 --> 01:28:12.928
[SPEAKER_01]: But because this was the closed building, because the roof was all closed, that pressure inside the building, like you could feel and the sound kind of reverberated, just ever so slightly within your bones.

01:28:14.107 --> 01:28:23.138
[SPEAKER_01]: It's hard to describe, but it's that big, that big event, a lot of people feel.

01:28:23.388 --> 01:28:25.271
[SPEAKER_01]: that was very much real.

01:28:25.652 --> 01:28:31.481
[SPEAKER_01]: And I actually, I think I took a video specifically to catch that sound.

01:28:32.482 --> 01:28:32.582
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.

01:28:32.602 --> 01:28:33.183
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, that's great.

01:28:33.263 --> 01:28:34.185
[SPEAKER_00]: We're looking forward to again.

01:28:34.525 --> 01:28:38.331
[SPEAKER_00]: Thursday at a regular time, we're going to talk more about Jeremy's overall experiences in Japan.

01:28:38.732 --> 01:28:42.658
[SPEAKER_00]: What else happened during fight week in Tokyo, there's so much good stuff.

01:28:42.838 --> 01:28:44.881
[SPEAKER_01]: I will tell you guys all this.

01:28:44.901 --> 01:28:45.362
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

01:28:47.755 --> 01:28:59.701
[SPEAKER_01]: This trip was very, very, very fulfilling for me and personally, professionally, all that stuff and I'm really glad I went.

01:29:00.583 --> 01:29:06.456
[SPEAKER_01]: I got to meet a ton of people, a lot of people turned out like,

01:29:06.993 --> 01:29:36.021
[SPEAKER_01]: know our podcast that I didn't think know our podcast and it was just nice to know like oh I know if you're podcast you're like oh really because for for Steven and I being famous or like somehow like making a living off this podcast isn't what we're here to do like we're here because we're here because yeah so I understand why we have love to get

01:29:36.001 --> 01:29:48.819
[SPEAKER_01]: is what keeps us going when, you know, we don't have 100 people watching the show when we have like maybe a significantly less number of people watching live than we do like right now.

01:29:49.480 --> 01:30:01.738
[SPEAKER_01]: It's showing up and, you know, being committed to this and then thinking about all the time and all the energy and all the shows that you've watched and just feeling like

01:30:02.140 --> 01:30:06.970
[SPEAKER_01]: It meant something and the impact that you have, you know.

01:30:07.540 --> 01:30:09.883
[SPEAKER_01]: all of it just felt very, very fulfilling.

01:30:10.304 --> 01:30:20.237
[SPEAKER_01]: And I'll talk about it more, but to anyone that I met here, to anyone that I discussed, New Japan, to anyone that paid me a compliment or you a compliment for that matter.

01:30:21.178 --> 01:30:22.319
[SPEAKER_01]: Thank you so much.

01:30:22.820 --> 01:30:23.481
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, that's a great time.

01:30:24.142 --> 01:30:25.023
[SPEAKER_00]: That's awesome.

01:30:25.043 --> 01:30:26.705
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm really happy that you have the experience.

01:30:26.745 --> 01:30:30.410
[SPEAKER_00]: I have the same thing last year where it's transformative doing this type of stuff.

01:30:30.510 --> 01:30:31.351
[SPEAKER_00]: It really changes.

01:30:31.371 --> 01:30:32.833
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not way too much crap.

01:30:32.853 --> 01:30:33.514
[SPEAKER_00]: But, uh,

01:30:33.494 --> 01:30:34.837
[SPEAKER_00]: also true for me.

01:30:35.538 --> 01:30:38.364
[SPEAKER_00]: So yes, and we're going to get it all that on Thursday.

01:30:39.045 --> 01:30:41.109
[SPEAKER_00]: But I'll talk about the retirements ceremony, man.

01:30:41.791 --> 01:30:42.292
[SPEAKER_00]: Absolutely.

01:30:42.352 --> 01:30:45.037
[SPEAKER_00]: So it's all kinds of emotion going on afterwards.

01:30:45.137 --> 01:30:50.688
[SPEAKER_00]: And you mentioned that Okada said a few words and then left because yeah, the contest up it would have been weird if he had stuck around and thanks.

01:30:50.708 --> 01:30:53.494
[SPEAKER_00]: So they started off even this bill.

01:30:53.474 --> 01:30:54.255
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, right.

01:30:54.315 --> 01:30:57.641
[SPEAKER_00]: So they start off with some of the officials from Bushy Road and New Japan.

01:30:57.661 --> 01:31:06.255
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, guys and suits that still have a lot to do with what you're seeing here, but they're behind the scenes guys and they're handing him this full giving him his flowers quite literally.

01:31:07.537 --> 01:31:10.221
[SPEAKER_00]: This is one time I'll use that phrase without rolling my eyes for there.

01:31:10.261 --> 01:31:11.483
[SPEAKER_00]: They were giving him his flowers.

01:31:11.463 --> 01:31:24.088
[SPEAKER_00]: And then the first surprise, Jay White, with the Switchblade music very cool, and by the way, not going to let him around my partner too often, because one of the first things she steps, oh, he please up well.

01:31:24.693 --> 01:31:26.075
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm like, oh, okay, all right, fine.

01:31:27.056 --> 01:31:28.417
[SPEAKER_00]: So I just had Jason good looking guy, fine.

01:31:28.437 --> 01:31:30.339
[SPEAKER_00]: We tried to switch the way to the back from that guy.

01:31:30.359 --> 01:31:31.881
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm telling you, sheesh.

01:31:31.981 --> 01:31:36.826
[SPEAKER_00]: But no, Jay looked real good and came out there and I was like, why are you backing me?

01:31:36.846 --> 01:31:38.468
[SPEAKER_01]: He told you, yeah, man, you look great.

01:31:39.009 --> 01:31:39.610
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, exactly.

01:31:39.630 --> 01:31:42.893
[SPEAKER_00]: It's time to ask you kind of square it up, like playfully like, are we going to fight?

01:31:42.913 --> 01:31:44.575
[SPEAKER_00]: And then, but there wasn't a bit of that.

01:31:44.655 --> 01:31:45.937
[SPEAKER_00]: Not a bit of in-character stuff.

01:31:45.957 --> 01:31:48.399
[SPEAKER_00]: Jay was simply there to pay tribute to the ace.

01:31:48.620 --> 01:31:50.321
[SPEAKER_00]: And that was very nice to picture.

01:31:51.182 --> 01:31:52.624
[SPEAKER_00]: And then we'll ask for it.

01:31:52.604 --> 01:31:53.126
[SPEAKER_00]: came out.

01:31:53.206 --> 01:31:54.913
[SPEAKER_00]: I've got the, I've got the listener, J.

01:31:54.933 --> 01:31:58.226
[SPEAKER_00]: White, then will ask for a big smile on Will's face.

01:31:58.287 --> 01:31:59.291
[SPEAKER_00]: He was thrilled to be out there.

01:31:59.331 --> 01:32:01.118
[SPEAKER_00]: Such a great song, too, for the dome.

01:32:01.319 --> 01:32:02.142
[SPEAKER_00]: Great song.

01:32:02.543 --> 01:32:08.353
[SPEAKER_00]: Kenny Omega came out and what was what's left of code of boochy came with them.

01:32:09.776 --> 01:32:13.883
[SPEAKER_00]: That was she go hard to watch in person, but I know you wanted to be there.

01:32:14.264 --> 01:32:19.753
[SPEAKER_01]: And I don't know how much the camera caught it, but he he had a hard time getting to the ring.

01:32:19.793 --> 01:32:26.425
[SPEAKER_01]: Like their point where you're walking down that ramp and he literally had to stop and take a minute and catch him breath because

01:32:26.658 --> 01:32:34.572
[SPEAKER_01]: It, I applaud him for the sheer force of will to get down there and do that, but it also just felt like it was a mistake.

01:32:35.714 --> 01:32:44.970
[SPEAKER_00]: He didn't look healthy at all, and then what really busted up time of Hashie, what really made the tears flow was cancel your issue about it coming out.

01:32:45.068 --> 01:32:55.340
[SPEAKER_00]: And hearing that music, because of course, if there is a three musketeers for that generation, it's Shabbata, Tamaashi, and Nakamura, who wasn't allowed to be there, I didn't imagine.

01:32:55.360 --> 01:33:07.313
[SPEAKER_00]: And Shabbata came down there and he said, takes the shirt off, challenges him, they chop each other, and then they hug and as Rocky Romero said, I don't know if I've ever seen Shabbata this emotional.

01:33:07.293 --> 01:33:11.099
[SPEAKER_00]: And both of them were interiors hugging and then he left.

01:33:11.139 --> 01:33:13.623
[SPEAKER_01]: He wasn't going to be a part of any part of the rest of the retirement to money.

01:33:13.964 --> 01:33:20.254
[SPEAKER_01]: There were people that like showed up and then left and there were people that showed up and stuck around until like the last moment.

01:33:20.414 --> 01:33:23.479
[SPEAKER_01]: He was a I'm I'm going now.

01:33:23.459 --> 01:33:29.847
[SPEAKER_00]: Now, the smartest guys were, uh, Kaging Muto who came next and tattooed me food genami.

01:33:29.947 --> 01:33:34.633
[SPEAKER_00]: So we're talking about the aces of other generations in their own way, right?

01:33:34.673 --> 01:33:36.595
[SPEAKER_01]: And of course, like it's bad, like it's right.

01:33:36.615 --> 01:33:43.063
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I don't want to want to just, yeah, yeah, if Kojima and Tenzin are the dads to these guys in Dakota and those, these were his.

01:33:43.683 --> 01:33:46.407
[SPEAKER_00]: And they were sitting at a table at ringside already.

01:33:46.607 --> 01:33:49.010
[SPEAKER_00]: They were not going to be making that walk down that ramp.

01:33:49.070 --> 01:33:50.732
[SPEAKER_00]: Uh, that was not going to happen for,

01:33:50.712 --> 01:34:05.582
[SPEAKER_00]: Muto with what's left of his knees and the phoogenami is a phoogenami still wrestles a little bit sometimes but anyway not making those tripped on the eye but there they were those that's some of the all-time legends and you know looking at that it's like she's a

01:34:06.457 --> 01:34:20.095
[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe the only two, well, Antonio nokey, but putting a nokey aside, Fujianami Mudo might be the only two guys that were bigger stars than Tana Hashie was, really, and then the history of New Japan pro wrestling.

01:34:20.115 --> 01:34:21.737
[SPEAKER_00]: That's the list right there.

01:34:21.757 --> 01:34:22.938
[SPEAKER_00]: It's like a nokey in those guys.

01:34:22.978 --> 01:34:25.782
[SPEAKER_00]: That's probably Mount Rushmore.

01:34:26.352 --> 01:34:29.442
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, tiger mask and ligor, of course, big parts of it and thanks.

01:34:29.482 --> 01:34:36.646
[SPEAKER_00]: But as far as just ACEs for generations go, Fujianami, Muto, Tana Hashi, all lined up together like that.

01:34:36.967 --> 01:34:38.893
[SPEAKER_00]: That's one that really got me because I,

01:34:39.970 --> 01:34:42.073
[SPEAKER_00]: watched Mudo in my tape trading days.

01:34:42.153 --> 01:34:46.600
[SPEAKER_00]: He was the ace when I started when I fell in love with that type of new Japan pro wrestling.

01:34:47.020 --> 01:34:51.487
[SPEAKER_00]: Fujianami, the all-time legend who would come in for the WWE F. So I would see him as a little kid.

01:34:52.047 --> 01:34:55.412
[SPEAKER_00]: Sometimes from some WWE FTV and things.

01:34:55.452 --> 01:34:58.637
[SPEAKER_00]: So these guys kind of personified.

01:34:58.617 --> 01:35:16.558
[SPEAKER_00]: The first faces that flashed up when I would think of New Japan and see them all lined up like this and realize the time of how she is is joining them in the past tense part of that was so that was the time for me that one it got dusty in my living room that and that moment it will dusty in there.

01:35:17.568 --> 01:35:29.264
[SPEAKER_01]: I actually didn't cry last night and I thought I was going to, I think I was just so incredibly overstimulated by everything that doing like, I got an apple watch, right?

01:35:29.785 --> 01:35:37.796
[SPEAKER_01]: And this thing has my resting heart rate at like under a hundred beats per minute, almost all the time.

01:35:38.557 --> 01:35:46.208
[SPEAKER_01]: I got no less than 10 times that my resting heart rate was above 120 beats per minute.

01:35:46.188 --> 01:36:14.912
[SPEAKER_01]: During the show and I'm just like I'm sitting there watching the show, but it's just like it was such a mental just Like your body is just trying to react to all of these things You and I we've been talking about the show for a year You know like we've been talking about what this is going to be like this event and all the stuff and I'm sitting there and it's happening and it's like

01:36:16.343 --> 01:36:17.845
[SPEAKER_01]: It's wild man.

01:36:17.865 --> 01:36:26.315
[SPEAKER_01]: It was just I felt like O'Connor were I was just kind of reflecting on where I am and what I've done and what I've accomplished.

01:36:26.536 --> 01:36:32.263
[SPEAKER_01]: Tony Hosh and I are kind of the same age, you know what I mean like and obviously he's way more successful than I've ever been.

01:36:32.703 --> 01:36:42.756
[SPEAKER_01]: But I don't know you think about you think about the wind and the losses in your life and what you've what you've grown, what you built things and

01:36:42.736 --> 01:37:01.336
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, like we don't have wrestling career, but we all understand, and we all feel that passage of time and not being young anymore and not being able to do the things that we used to do, but you know, like you still yearn and you still have dreams and you still have all these things.

01:37:01.457 --> 01:37:10.887
[SPEAKER_01]: And you hope that the legacy and the things that you built in your life that people look fondly upon you and and that

01:37:12.014 --> 01:37:17.399
[SPEAKER_01]: that what you did with your chances in this world meant something and gave it to him.

01:37:18.540 --> 01:37:22.063
[SPEAKER_01]: And for Tana Hashiman, fuck.

01:37:22.083 --> 01:37:27.368
[SPEAKER_01]: He took you home city with Tana Hashiman, you don't city this weekend, okay?

01:37:27.768 --> 01:37:41.380
[SPEAKER_01]: And this dude got every bit of validation that he has earned through the course of his 20 cents years in this business.

01:37:42.473 --> 01:37:56.280
[SPEAKER_01]: incredibly gratifying to see that in some way, shape or form, every aspect of his career will represent it in this retirement, and he got the send off that he deserved.

01:37:57.408 --> 01:37:58.449
[SPEAKER_00]: There was one more guest.

01:37:59.571 --> 01:37:59.671
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

01:37:59.691 --> 01:38:06.200
[SPEAKER_00]: And after Fujinami and Muto left the ring, time I actually even played it like, oh, I guess it is time to leave, time to leave.

01:38:06.860 --> 01:38:09.964
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, then start us to hit.

01:38:09.984 --> 01:38:14.691
[SPEAKER_01]: And I got tipped off to this little bit for happen, and it looked like it's happening.

01:38:15.532 --> 01:38:16.092
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yeah, it is.

01:38:16.113 --> 01:38:19.737
[SPEAKER_01]: When it happened, there was absolutely no way in the world it couldn't have happened.

01:38:20.038 --> 01:38:20.558
[SPEAKER_01]: You know what I mean?

01:38:20.578 --> 01:38:23.382
[SPEAKER_01]: Like it would have been so glaring if you wasn't there.

01:38:23.362 --> 01:38:35.654
[SPEAKER_00]: There were three different interesting music cues and the first one we already talked about with Ocada going coming out to his AEW music and not the traditional right maker one for the points we made earlier.

01:38:37.356 --> 01:38:41.780
[SPEAKER_00]: To see a night oh start us comes starts a bushy comes out first.

01:38:43.362 --> 01:38:50.449
[SPEAKER_00]: And then start a start a stop start a stops after that.

01:38:51.239 --> 01:39:04.260
[SPEAKER_00]: Music starts up again, and it's moves from los and go Bernabelays on the big video board to los tranquilos, and Naito's new music, which he brought out for his no appearance on the first began to play.

01:39:04.520 --> 01:39:08.988
[SPEAKER_00]: I think that might have been the end of the iconic star dust theme.

01:39:09.348 --> 01:39:10.530
[SPEAKER_00]: For now, I think that's what it was saying.

01:39:11.211 --> 01:39:15.458
[SPEAKER_01]: So I do think in hindsight, after seeing this,

01:39:15.438 --> 01:39:18.543
[SPEAKER_01]: I think night of retirement tapping in New Japan one way.

01:39:19.104 --> 01:39:28.178
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, you know, when it's time to put it down like it may not be the ton of horseshoe retirement, but the question is there's no way that he's not getting something like, no, he's definitely.

01:39:28.298 --> 01:39:33.126
[SPEAKER_00]: I say he's coming back ever since the left and you know, that he's coming back.

01:39:33.106 --> 01:39:33.988
[SPEAKER_00]: here's the thing.

01:39:35.069 --> 01:39:36.993
[SPEAKER_00]: He didn't look good in the Noah show at all.

01:39:37.333 --> 01:39:46.890
[SPEAKER_00]: So, you know, the nighto doesn't have a whole lot left in his tank in the first place, but the whole thing is they transition to away from Stardust to his new theme.

01:39:47.370 --> 01:39:54.783
[SPEAKER_00]: I wonder if it might be his retirement before we hear Stardust again, it's the whole point that the classic theme that he had throughout his New Japan career.

01:39:54.803 --> 01:39:57.628
[SPEAKER_01]: So, he comes up with what you say.

01:39:57.608 --> 01:40:04.136
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, it was in the black, the black sheep of that family, the yaw, to the family.

01:40:04.817 --> 01:40:10.724
[SPEAKER_01]: You came out in the same page pageantry for the night-o-interiff at Noah.

01:40:10.744 --> 01:40:14.810
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, where he came out first, people thought it was night-o, but it was actually a hit-herald.

01:40:15.591 --> 01:40:19.195
[SPEAKER_01]: And then he come out with the the palm of the tip after.

01:40:19.512 --> 01:40:21.055
[SPEAKER_00]: Anyway, yes, yeah, exactly.

01:40:21.075 --> 01:40:23.040
[SPEAKER_00]: So that's that's the message where he asked us to win brother.

01:40:23.180 --> 01:40:25.165
[SPEAKER_00]: Nito does come down to the ring.

01:40:25.185 --> 01:40:25.806
[SPEAKER_00]: Thought it was funny.

01:40:25.966 --> 01:40:27.410
[SPEAKER_00]: And they kept showing Tana Hashie.

01:40:27.430 --> 01:40:29.354
[SPEAKER_00]: And he would look at the camera and tap his wrist.

01:40:29.534 --> 01:40:35.648
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, you want to, you know, tell him to move a long, you know, like the classic thing with Nito is like, you want to, can we, can we do this?

01:40:35.628 --> 01:40:36.529
[SPEAKER_01]: Sure.

01:40:36.930 --> 01:40:37.751
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, exactly.

01:40:37.791 --> 01:40:45.161
[SPEAKER_00]: So he took a time getting down there, said a few nice words for him, said, you know, I'll probably never be in a New Japan ring again.

01:40:45.281 --> 01:40:46.242
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, Tetsuya.

01:40:46.262 --> 01:40:51.610
[SPEAKER_00]: And then just says, but I would like to meet again someday and then gave him the L.I.

01:40:51.630 --> 01:40:53.953
[SPEAKER_00]: J.Fist and a loud, ton of Hashie to do it back.

01:40:53.973 --> 01:40:58.679
[SPEAKER_00]: I think everybody was expecting him to, to cheap shot, ton of Hashie on that, but he didn't.

01:40:58.699 --> 01:40:59.480
[SPEAKER_00]: He let him do the fist.

01:40:59.881 --> 01:41:03.846
[SPEAKER_00]: And then after a while, he gave a slight bow, a wink, and then spit on.

01:41:03.826 --> 01:41:06.329
[SPEAKER_00]: It's just classic night to all right there.

01:41:06.349 --> 01:41:06.730
[SPEAKER_00]: And he left.

01:41:06.770 --> 01:41:08.552
[SPEAKER_00]: That was nice afterwards.

01:41:08.592 --> 01:41:10.635
[SPEAKER_00]: We got to thank you words from Tana Hashi.

01:41:10.715 --> 01:41:14.700
[SPEAKER_00]: Nothing real loquacious, but a nice heartfelt speech.

01:41:15.421 --> 01:41:16.503
[SPEAKER_00]: We got the air guitar.

01:41:16.903 --> 01:41:18.345
[SPEAKER_00]: He got the crowd to do the wave.

01:41:18.765 --> 01:41:19.987
[SPEAKER_00]: We got the full 10 bill.

01:41:20.047 --> 01:41:22.711
[SPEAKER_00]: So, Luke, he walks back up the island.

01:41:22.731 --> 01:41:24.353
[SPEAKER_00]: We think it's just about over, but no.

01:41:25.154 --> 01:41:26.916
[SPEAKER_00]: He gets on a parade of float.

01:41:28.038 --> 01:41:32.263
[SPEAKER_00]: And has the other members of our liberal,

01:41:33.391 --> 01:41:43.632
[SPEAKER_00]: And members of Hontai like Bolton and Aaron Wolfe and Godo and Yoshiharao and this way, they're all out there like wheeling him around and Brad mentions this.

01:41:43.852 --> 01:41:46.337
[SPEAKER_00]: Jeremy, I did not see.

01:41:46.587 --> 01:41:52.341
[SPEAKER_00]: On camera, they didn't do a very good job of catching the surrounding parts of the ring, but Brad has a question.

01:41:52.361 --> 01:41:56.191
[SPEAKER_00]: It seemed like the only people who came out during the ceremony around the ring were hauntie.

01:41:56.692 --> 01:42:03.870
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, did other members come out there, or did he just make him decay there with no health torture, it was all the.

01:42:03.850 --> 01:42:05.813
[SPEAKER_01]: pure baby faces of the stable.

01:42:05.873 --> 01:42:10.460
[SPEAKER_01]: You did have Taichi out there, uh, okay, Godo is out there.

01:42:10.780 --> 01:42:20.454
[SPEAKER_01]: All the horn type people, but there were, there were no war dogs, um, there were no house of torture, there were no TMDK, uh, nothing like that.

01:42:20.555 --> 01:42:25.161
[SPEAKER_01]: They just, they just kept to the stable of the, the baby faces and his thing.

01:42:25.181 --> 01:42:32.372
[SPEAKER_01]: And, and they were the ones that were, uh, walking around with him and, and giving

01:42:32.352 --> 01:42:45.671
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, and really the group of guys who came out after, can we talk about how 2010 to 2019 and JPW is maybe the best period of a pro wrestling promotion ever from Kojima and Tonohashi in 2010 to Osprey, Shingo in 2019 awesome.

01:42:45.691 --> 01:42:46.673
[SPEAKER_00]: It's certainly up there.

01:42:46.693 --> 01:42:58.630
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, it's it's it's certainly up there with the 90s all Japan and 90s New Japan and any other.

01:42:59.015 --> 01:43:04.985
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, oh, Omega was down there because he was one of the honored guests who came down the aisle and got an entrance.

01:43:05.045 --> 01:43:08.230
[SPEAKER_00]: So the of those guys were Jeremy or is asking about Omega.

01:43:08.250 --> 01:43:14.661
[SPEAKER_00]: So he was I think they stayed around outside the ring and they're no, no, no, it's a well.

01:43:14.641 --> 01:43:15.764
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, do they head to the back?

01:43:15.784 --> 01:43:17.167
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, yeah.

01:43:17.548 --> 01:43:32.582
[SPEAKER_01]: So all around when nighto came up, a lot of those guys were like, yeah, we're just gonna, we're gonna bail, but I have photos of getting leaving the area with the abushi that walk right past me, you know, like literally I could have reached out and touched him, but that would be inappropriate.

01:43:33.710 --> 01:43:53.018
[SPEAKER_00]: appreciate not doing that there was one more moment so they did the whole victory lap like you mentioned around in the parade float I thought this this is the second time they kind of got me a little bit he the and it wasn't the accident self where he basically walked off into the mist walk off well you he did the grief finale yeah like yeah

01:43:54.415 --> 01:43:55.577
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, exactly right.

01:43:55.597 --> 01:43:57.079
[SPEAKER_00]: So you're just going to walk off into the mist.

01:43:57.420 --> 01:43:58.201
[SPEAKER_00]: We don't really see him.

01:43:58.641 --> 01:43:59.683
[SPEAKER_00]: We don't really see him go.

01:43:59.723 --> 01:44:01.085
[SPEAKER_00]: He just kind of goes off into the fog.

01:44:01.706 --> 01:44:08.817
[SPEAKER_00]: And then a video package starts to play that hits the highlights of his career year by year.

01:44:09.538 --> 01:44:12.122
[SPEAKER_00]: And they did it to his old theme high energy.

01:44:12.362 --> 01:44:13.243
[SPEAKER_00]: And that cracked me.

01:44:13.744 --> 01:44:17.349
[SPEAKER_00]: That that one got me because I loved his old music too.

01:44:17.470 --> 01:44:19.513
[SPEAKER_00]: And when Go A's first came out, it could stand it.

01:44:19.933 --> 01:44:21.756
[SPEAKER_00]: At first, I grew on me.

01:44:21.736 --> 01:44:25.701
[SPEAKER_00]: But I was like, oh, you got rid of high energy for that, you know, like, oh, come on.

01:44:26.062 --> 01:44:27.484
[SPEAKER_00]: High energy was such a great song.

01:44:28.064 --> 01:44:31.890
[SPEAKER_00]: And Brad mentioned that he thought during the air guitar, it was going to turn into Nakamura's theme.

01:44:32.590 --> 01:44:36.015
[SPEAKER_00]: And Nakamura had a great new Japan theme, too, would have been fun to hear it again.

01:44:36.115 --> 01:44:40.521
[SPEAKER_00]: But that was the third big music

01:44:40.501 --> 01:45:04.990
[SPEAKER_00]: video montage recap of his career was to his original high energy theme that again, that kind of defined time, I have she for me, I still kind of, it's still kind of plays in my head sometimes and I think about him, like the the old high energy thing, go ace, perfectly fine, but hearing, you're not it, but man, this makes the theater retirement look like we can't really

01:45:04.970 --> 01:45:10.456
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, like they had clean and then he just, you know, tape off all of your and walks to the back.

01:45:10.977 --> 01:45:30.859
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, no, Tana Hashi, he got almost an hour to make sure that he got his flower for everything go person and then he walks off into the sunset.

01:45:30.839 --> 01:45:44.617
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, you, you just, you no longer see his outline and then the door of clothes and you're just like, it's over, you know, yeah and of course, you know, there's Nakamura should have been there, but he wasn't looking to do about it.

01:45:44.637 --> 01:45:45.018
[SPEAKER_00]: There it is.

01:45:45.098 --> 01:45:47.621
[SPEAKER_00]: That's it's some things don't change, some things don't change.

01:45:48.202 --> 01:45:50.485
[SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, it what

01:45:50.988 --> 01:45:54.052
[SPEAKER_00]: So let's recap rest of Kingdom 20 in the end.

01:45:54.232 --> 01:45:57.777
[SPEAKER_00]: We're now officially post town of Hashira.

01:45:57.797 --> 01:46:01.662
[SPEAKER_00]: Let's be clear, this show did not solve all of New Japan's problems.

01:46:01.682 --> 01:46:08.130
[SPEAKER_00]: They're still a lack of guys that are over on top, but we feel like Yoda Suji took a huge stride forward.

01:46:08.490 --> 01:46:13.617
[SPEAKER_00]: He is going to be a full-time champion that is going to be on all the road to shows.

01:46:13.657 --> 01:46:15.139
[SPEAKER_00]: It's going to hit the towns.

01:46:15.119 --> 01:46:22.589
[SPEAKER_00]: The people are gonna feel like the champion values them again, which is an important psychological thing in terms of connection with the audience.

01:46:23.730 --> 01:46:25.072
[SPEAKER_00]: Good decisions were made.

01:46:25.272 --> 01:46:29.418
[SPEAKER_00]: The bottom line is they did a good job there in Wolfe.

01:46:29.498 --> 01:46:31.781
[SPEAKER_00]: They have somebody who has real star potential.

01:46:32.782 --> 01:46:35.386
[SPEAKER_00]: They gave them a champion back that they can believe in.

01:46:36.587 --> 01:46:41.554
[SPEAKER_00]: They even set up things for the future with Jake Lee, stay tuned everybody, that type of thing.

01:46:41.614 --> 01:46:44.738
[SPEAKER_00]: So is everything okay again?

01:46:45.140 --> 01:46:49.707
[SPEAKER_00]: But steps were taken to move this company back in the correct direction.

01:46:49.887 --> 01:46:51.550
[SPEAKER_00]: The can they follow up on it?

01:46:52.031 --> 01:46:54.895
[SPEAKER_00]: That's what we're going to be keeping an eye on them this show going forward.

01:46:55.356 --> 01:46:56.518
[SPEAKER_00]: Can they follow up on this?

01:46:56.858 --> 01:47:02.988
[SPEAKER_00]: But steps were taken and we got news of a lot of new shows coming up, Jeremy, and a lot of tickets to sell.

01:47:03.188 --> 01:47:04.330
[SPEAKER_00]: So they had work to do.

01:47:05.677 --> 01:47:10.423
[SPEAKER_01]: I like to think that a strong foundation was laid today for twenty twenty six.

01:47:11.043 --> 01:47:12.125
[SPEAKER_01]: We have a world champion.

01:47:12.145 --> 01:47:17.171
[SPEAKER_01]: We have a number of returns at Kira came back and R.A. came back.

01:47:17.211 --> 01:47:22.157
[SPEAKER_01]: We got new people in the mid-click and draw day, Jake Lee can call him new or returning.

01:47:22.417 --> 01:47:23.358
[SPEAKER_01]: He feels fresh.

01:47:24.259 --> 01:47:26.662
[SPEAKER_01]: There's a lot of people that are like in desperate new but Jake Lee.

01:47:26.682 --> 01:47:29.305
[SPEAKER_01]: But at least he's not the guy down the line that they're building to.

01:47:29.345 --> 01:47:31.508
[SPEAKER_01]: He's the guy right now in the first feud.

01:47:31.808 --> 01:47:34.992
[SPEAKER_01]: And to be that, that's fine, you know what I mean?

01:47:34.972 --> 01:47:36.033
[SPEAKER_01]: He's going to be one.

01:47:36.053 --> 01:47:36.554
[SPEAKER_00]: He's going to be one.

01:47:36.574 --> 01:47:37.074
[SPEAKER_00]: He's going to be one.

01:47:37.094 --> 01:47:37.555
[SPEAKER_00]: He's going to be one.

01:47:37.575 --> 01:47:38.596
[SPEAKER_01]: He's going to be one.

01:47:38.616 --> 01:47:40.118
[SPEAKER_01]: He's going to be one.

01:47:40.298 --> 01:47:41.059
[SPEAKER_01]: He's going to be one.

01:47:41.079 --> 01:47:41.740
[SPEAKER_01]: He's going to be one.

01:47:41.760 --> 01:47:43.422
[SPEAKER_01]: He's going to be one.

01:47:43.442 --> 01:47:43.942
[SPEAKER_01]: He's going to be one.

01:47:43.962 --> 01:47:44.683
[SPEAKER_01]: He's going to be one.

01:47:44.703 --> 01:47:45.444
[SPEAKER_01]: He's going to be one.

01:47:45.464 --> 01:47:46.345
[SPEAKER_01]: He's going to be one.

01:47:46.425 --> 01:47:47.126
[SPEAKER_01]: He's going to be one.

01:47:47.206 --> 01:47:47.947
[SPEAKER_01]: He's going to be one.

01:47:47.987 --> 01:47:48.848
[SPEAKER_01]: He's going to be one.

01:47:49.248 --> 01:47:50.009
[SPEAKER_01]: He's going to be one.

01:47:50.029 --> 01:47:50.750
[SPEAKER_01]: He's going to be one.

01:47:50.850 --> 01:47:52.292
[SPEAKER_01]: He's going to be one.

01:47:52.312 --> 01:47:53.173
[SPEAKER_01]: He's going to be one.

01:47:53.193 --> 01:47:53.693
[SPEAKER_01]: He's going to be one.

01:47:53.713 --> 01:47:54.594
[SPEAKER_01]: He's going to be one.

01:47:55.055 --> 01:47:55.556
[SPEAKER_01]: He's going to be one.

01:47:55.576 --> 01:47:55.996
[SPEAKER_00]: He's going to be one.

01:47:56.036 --> 01:47:57.157
[SPEAKER_01]: He's going to be one.

01:47:57.177 --> 01:47:58.219
[SPEAKER_01]: He's going to be one.

01:47:58.239 --> 01:47:59.019
[SPEAKER_01]: He's going to be one.

01:47:59.039 --> 01:47:59.740
[SPEAKER_01]: He's going to be one.

01:47:59.760 --> 01:48:01.082
[SPEAKER_01]: He's going to be one.

01:48:01.102 --> 01:48:01.522
[SPEAKER_01]: He's going to be one.

01:48:01.542 --> 01:48:02.083
[SPEAKER_01]: He's going to be one.

01:48:02.103 --> 01:48:03.004
[SPEAKER_01]: He's going to be one

01:48:02.984 --> 01:48:18.749
[SPEAKER_01]: We have daylight out the first eight months of what exactly events that we can expect, you know, dominion seems like it's happening in the middle of best of super juniors, which the way, like I think best super junior start one week and then dominions the week after.

01:48:18.869 --> 01:48:26.140
[SPEAKER_01]: So unless they're doing a real fast super junior tournament, that thing is is rolling in the middle of the thing.

01:48:26.120 --> 01:48:35.416
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm fine, I feel like super Junior is runked to the beat of a tone drum in New Japan, so, good, we're good.

01:48:36.858 --> 01:48:39.102
[SPEAKER_00]: Jeremy or S, how much will we see him as president?

01:48:39.242 --> 01:48:44.010
[SPEAKER_00]: I think it might be a little while before he pops up again, just because it would kind of,

01:48:44.193 --> 01:48:46.636
[SPEAKER_00]: I can't put him on the show on a suit tomorrow.

01:48:47.076 --> 01:48:47.877
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I agree.

01:48:48.317 --> 01:48:49.579
[SPEAKER_01]: Need to be prepared for a while.

01:48:49.919 --> 01:48:50.260
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.

01:48:50.300 --> 01:48:52.702
[SPEAKER_00]: He might come out on a suit and introduce the show tomorrow.

01:48:52.722 --> 01:48:53.043
[SPEAKER_00]: He might.

01:48:53.523 --> 01:48:54.604
[SPEAKER_00]: It's, it's possible.

01:48:54.624 --> 01:49:00.090
[SPEAKER_00]: I think it would be, I think it would be smarter to put a little distance of half him only come down for important stuff.

01:49:00.110 --> 01:49:09.040
[SPEAKER_00]: But he is going to be somebody who can show up in key moments for he, you know, PR and ambassador and he'll like the break time.

01:49:09.060 --> 01:49:11.162
[SPEAKER_01]: And he'll make decisions and all that.

01:49:13.066 --> 01:49:21.836
[SPEAKER_01]: The reality is, if you need this promotion to grow without Tonahashi, Tonahashi needs to be off camera, except for the most extreme circumstances.

01:49:22.416 --> 01:49:26.841
[SPEAKER_01]: This goodbye was designed to take him off TV.

01:49:27.482 --> 01:49:38.955
[SPEAKER_01]: And if you're going to just put him back on TV in a suit where he's showing up two or three times a month in some way, shape or form in the TV programming of the shows.

01:49:38.935 --> 01:49:55.172
[SPEAKER_01]: then you've essentially new to ring this next generation because their people are still going to be hanging on to like, oh, Tana Hashi here, Dada Da and you're just, you're kneecapping the potential and the ceiling of the guys who need to be established as the now.

01:49:56.198 --> 01:50:02.008
[SPEAKER_00]: All right, I will say, I think it'll probably be around a little more than Jeremy thanks, but we'll find out, we'll find out.

01:50:02.068 --> 01:50:05.934
[SPEAKER_00]: Brad is asking to the two questions, one, who retires Naito?

01:50:05.955 --> 01:50:06.896
[SPEAKER_00]: I think it's too early to tell.

01:50:06.956 --> 01:50:18.055
[SPEAKER_00]: No idea when Naito thinks he's done, but it's an interesting question because just about everybody who would be considered a career rival for him, are either Canton anymore, or

01:50:18.035 --> 01:50:24.162
[SPEAKER_00]: Uh, isn't there aren't in a contractual position to, yeah, I don't think a car runs the back to do another.

01:50:24.704 --> 01:50:27.657
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's essentially, I would have a huge retired night.

01:50:28.430 --> 01:50:31.354
[SPEAKER_00]: That right now, yeah, I think that would be it.

01:50:31.394 --> 01:50:33.737
[SPEAKER_00]: As soon as you shingo, somebody's been associated with.

01:50:34.418 --> 01:50:41.487
[SPEAKER_01]: But who knows, it's not gonna happen any time soon, even though, maybe I tend to doubt it, but anything possible, they made a lot of money.

01:50:41.507 --> 01:50:44.972
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, Acessing to really bring back the V4, meaning the old World Heavyweight title.

01:50:45.252 --> 01:50:46.134
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know about the belt.

01:50:46.534 --> 01:50:50.740
[SPEAKER_00]: I would like to have the lineage, I don't think they ever should have separated the lineage.

01:50:50.960 --> 01:50:56.968
[SPEAKER_00]: So I think that Suji should get on the same list as Shini Hashimoto, Eugene Agada,

01:50:56.948 --> 01:51:15.548
[SPEAKER_01]: I've heard rumors about the legality of what they can do with the V4 version, so maybe they negotiate if something, when they got rid of it, it felt like they had to get rid of it for a reason rather than like, oh, let's just bring a new title in to fresh and thames up because it wasn't a situation or a time where you needed to fresh in that title up.

01:51:15.764 --> 01:51:17.347
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it was it was very odd.

01:51:17.467 --> 01:51:19.311
[SPEAKER_00]: And but this things like that can be fixed.

01:51:19.771 --> 01:51:23.619
[SPEAKER_00]: Larry Hatches says, uh, you need the old gen to go down like a jima in the gutted.

01:51:24.099 --> 01:51:27.045
[SPEAKER_00]: Uh, he said, and I don't move like slush.

01:51:27.105 --> 01:51:27.546
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, he did.

01:51:27.947 --> 01:51:28.768
[SPEAKER_00]: There's no doubt about it.

01:51:29.089 --> 01:51:32.996
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, and he said, the night tone sushi is the biggest program you could do for night was retirement.

01:51:33.016 --> 01:51:33.457
[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe probably.

01:51:34.078 --> 01:51:34.178
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.

01:51:34.445 --> 01:51:37.888
[SPEAKER_00]: But anyway, they could do a new belt design and bring back the lineage.

01:51:37.968 --> 01:51:38.849
[SPEAKER_00]: I guess it's my point.

01:51:38.949 --> 01:51:40.090
[SPEAKER_00]: There's the belt symbolic.

01:51:40.390 --> 01:51:42.992
[SPEAKER_00]: The title is, you decide what the title lineage is.

01:51:43.893 --> 01:51:44.093
[SPEAKER_00]: Mm-hmm.

01:51:44.273 --> 01:51:44.614
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.

01:51:44.654 --> 01:51:47.016
[SPEAKER_00]: So, two more things for we go.

01:51:47.676 --> 01:51:50.479
[SPEAKER_00]: We have information on shows coming up.

01:51:50.539 --> 01:51:53.121
[SPEAKER_00]: So we know about the new beginning in the United States.

01:51:53.501 --> 01:51:57.345
[SPEAKER_00]: They announced also that there would be a new beginning in Osaka on February 11th.

01:51:58.285 --> 01:52:03.810
[SPEAKER_00]: The anniversary is, of course, on March 6th, as always.

01:52:03.993 --> 01:52:10.185
[SPEAKER_00]: they announced the current genesis, red zone Hiroshima, there, that's another show, so two, two bees in April.

01:52:10.866 --> 01:52:15.234
[SPEAKER_00]: Don't talk about the super juniors in June, Dominion will be June 14.

01:52:15.294 --> 01:52:17.258
[SPEAKER_00]: That's back in Osaka, of course.

01:52:17.278 --> 01:52:21.526
[SPEAKER_00]: G1 will open in Chicago, Illinois on July 11th.

01:52:21.546 --> 01:52:23.149
[SPEAKER_00]: That was interesting.

01:52:23.129 --> 01:52:45.330
[SPEAKER_00]: They are giving up on the American market Jeremy, but the NJPW strong brand where the idea is, you have a few New Japan wrestlers and then most of the card is LA Jojo or New Japan affiliated guys who are based in the States as this kind of separate thing that's also New Japan, you know how wishy-washing strong could be.

01:52:45.370 --> 01:52:46.352
[SPEAKER_00]: It had

01:52:46.332 --> 01:52:52.022
[SPEAKER_00]: You had the guys like Waller and Fred Rosser and Rustco's wrecking crew doing their thing kind of over on strong.

01:52:52.283 --> 01:52:53.325
[SPEAKER_00]: It looks like that's done.

01:52:53.666 --> 01:52:59.015
[SPEAKER_00]: It looks like now when New Japan runs the United States, it's New Japan wrestlers.

01:52:59.035 --> 01:53:04.706
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm sure there'll be guests, but they're kind of dropping the idea of strong being its own identity.

01:53:05.107 --> 01:53:06.128
[SPEAKER_00]: I think that's a smart move.

01:53:06.149 --> 01:53:08.593
[SPEAKER_00]: This is a more to whenever it's dollars.

01:53:08.573 --> 01:53:14.341
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, yeah, when I went to that show, too, and it was just a pure new knowledge of 2019.

01:53:14.742 --> 01:53:17.165
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, and I think that's the smart move, Jeremy.

01:53:17.245 --> 01:53:26.639
[SPEAKER_00]: I think when people go to see when New Japan comes to the United States, I think people want the Japanese experience not an Americanized version of New Japan.

01:53:26.979 --> 01:53:29.603
[SPEAKER_00]: They want to feel like they're in Tokyo watching this stuff.

01:53:29.937 --> 01:53:33.983
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, I was given a little bit of contact and I'm not going to go into it because the detail don't matter.

01:53:34.143 --> 01:53:43.035
[SPEAKER_01]: But this plan of attack was actually the strategy of New Japan before COVID.

01:53:43.396 --> 01:53:59.438
[SPEAKER_01]: And they had some very ambitious plan about what they were going to do in the state and where they were going to do it before the COVID situation really took the, took the lathe out from under

01:53:59.418 --> 01:54:24.582
[SPEAKER_01]: about those stories, when they announced that she wanted Chicago, it felt like they were looking to see if they could hit those plans again and if the company was going to position, you know, if the cashier can be on the match is there and having stuff that you could legitimately draw a strong crowd again based off of what event it is and the people that are in it.

01:54:25.034 --> 01:54:44.579
[SPEAKER_01]: It is a good sign for me that they are being aggressive in a way that their their their shows in the states are supposed to matter rather than we're just going to put on a show and get some of the talent that doesn't want to come from Japan and then supplement that with people that new Japan audience doesn't necessarily see as a star.

01:54:44.699 --> 01:54:52.830
[SPEAKER_01]: So we were wondering what the approach was going to be If it starts developing that way, I'll go into it a little bit more, but

01:54:52.810 --> 01:55:00.492
[SPEAKER_01]: For the most part, from what I see here, it sounds like an ambitious yet optimistic plan for success.

01:55:00.893 --> 01:55:01.854
[SPEAKER_00]: You can see how it turns out.

01:55:01.874 --> 01:55:03.275
[SPEAKER_00]: And then Brad mentions a lot.

01:55:03.295 --> 01:55:04.837
[SPEAKER_01]: It's got to be in the G1 now, right?

01:55:05.157 --> 01:55:06.038
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, that's what I'm wondering.

01:55:06.058 --> 01:55:11.442
[SPEAKER_00]: He says I wonder if starting in the US in Chicago could mean some AEW or CMLL talent or in the G1.

01:55:11.483 --> 01:55:11.643
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

01:55:11.663 --> 01:55:12.664
[SPEAKER_00]: I think there's going to be a guest.

01:55:12.864 --> 01:55:13.504
[SPEAKER_00]: I think there will.

01:55:13.624 --> 01:55:15.466
[SPEAKER_00]: I think there'll be, we'll be one guest.

01:55:15.486 --> 01:55:19.790
[SPEAKER_00]: And Larry Matt mentions, so we're on our junior finally making his new Japan proper debut.

01:55:19.910 --> 01:55:21.371
[SPEAKER_00]: I'd have to come any a comment.

01:55:21.411 --> 01:55:26.336
[SPEAKER_00]: And also, it maybe some of those US shows we can get some CMLL talent in as well.

01:55:26.356 --> 01:55:27.037
[SPEAKER_00]: That's, that's it.

01:55:27.097 --> 01:55:28.118
[SPEAKER_01]: So we're on our junior.

01:55:28.218 --> 01:55:30.900
[SPEAKER_01]: Have you ever been in New Japan?

01:55:30.880 --> 01:55:48.754
[SPEAKER_00]: I feel like he, I think he, yeah, that's like he was, I think he may have been, I think he's been fantastic and many before, yeah, I think he has, but he's, he's different, now I could be wrong, but I was like, I'm pretty sure that's where I first saw so we're on a tune here, we're going to New Japan ring.

01:55:48.734 --> 01:55:55.803
[SPEAKER_00]: So, Jeremy, you've got a catcher plane, but while you are in the air, New Year's Dash is coming up.

01:55:55.823 --> 01:55:56.944
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to run down the card here.

01:55:57.044 --> 01:55:59.227
[SPEAKER_00]: We will talk about this in depth on Thursday.

01:55:59.387 --> 01:56:01.249
[SPEAKER_00]: You're going to be another very full show on Thursday.

01:56:01.790 --> 01:56:12.283
[SPEAKER_00]: First match of New Year's Dash, Odeward Gymnasium, as always, a show to Umano, U-Y-O-I-Mora, and Ketsuya, Marashima, against Team 150, E-C-E-T-H-E, and Kojima.

01:56:12.323 --> 01:56:15.467
[SPEAKER_00]: Generational class, they're calling it there.

01:56:15.447 --> 01:56:21.896
[SPEAKER_00]: Second match, Fantasmo and Shoma Kato against Rocky Romero and Kenosuke Takeshta.

01:56:22.036 --> 01:56:27.384
[SPEAKER_00]: So that's going to be the Takeshta match for New Year's Dash against Kato and Fantasmo.

01:56:27.404 --> 01:56:31.270
[SPEAKER_00]: So I would imagine that would be a victory for Takeshta, probably.

01:56:31.290 --> 01:56:35.436
[SPEAKER_00]: I would guess, maybe it'll do something different with it, but maybe I hope Rocky gets pinned.

01:56:35.516 --> 01:56:36.357
[SPEAKER_00]: That's what I want.

01:56:36.377 --> 01:56:38.680
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, he'll pee me throughout, maybe so.

01:56:38.700 --> 01:56:39.902
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.

01:56:40.355 --> 01:56:42.078
[SPEAKER_00]: And then, let's see what else.

01:56:42.158 --> 01:56:49.730
[SPEAKER_00]: Third, Hero Kigoto Yoshihashi and Bolton against the House of Tortures, Sonata, Yuturo Takahashi and Kanamaru.

01:56:50.391 --> 01:56:59.165
[SPEAKER_00]: Seems like Beishaman and Bolton, to me, I say win that and build to them challenging for those trio titles.

01:56:59.265 --> 01:56:59.886
[SPEAKER_00]: That's the match.

01:57:00.247 --> 01:57:04.954
[SPEAKER_00]: That's what I would like to see in a full match is Beishaman and Bolton against TMDK.

01:57:04.974 --> 01:57:06.717
[SPEAKER_00]: I would enjoy that at some point down the road.

01:57:07.692 --> 01:57:26.178
[SPEAKER_01]: Uh, hopefully we'll get that after this tag tag match that we got a near dash that, uh, keeps back in really do you think they you think that they'll do, uh, another double champ scenario now that we got one top guy is a double champ, you know, you, you, you see Zach and Rio, hey, holding two different types of belt.

01:57:26.599 --> 01:57:27.000
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.

01:57:27.020 --> 01:57:27.580
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't see it.

01:57:27.861 --> 01:57:28.862
[SPEAKER_00]: I wouldn't recommend it either.

01:57:28.922 --> 01:57:35.792
[SPEAKER_01]: Just for other, not, not reasons having to do a second and we won for you that I thought was interesting while we were talking about all this.

01:57:35.772 --> 01:57:37.935
[SPEAKER_01]: and draw it potentially in the Callos family.

01:57:38.436 --> 01:57:44.866
[SPEAKER_01]: Rocky Romero is around in the Callos family, but Rocky Romero is not representing and draw it in any way.

01:57:44.926 --> 01:57:50.635
[SPEAKER_01]: He's the Callos family guy in AEW, but he's United Empire over in New Japan.

01:57:50.795 --> 01:57:51.836
[SPEAKER_01]: And I was just thinking about that.

01:57:51.856 --> 01:57:54.220
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm like, I hope we get some clarity on that to speak.

01:57:55.043 --> 01:57:57.287
[SPEAKER_00]: You're asking for clarity regarding the Calis family.

01:57:57.307 --> 01:57:59.311
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, I absolutely have.

01:57:59.591 --> 01:58:00.213
[SPEAKER_00]: Keep dreaming.

01:58:00.633 --> 01:58:01.275
[SPEAKER_01]: All right.

01:58:01.495 --> 01:58:02.797
[SPEAKER_01]: I have expectations.

01:58:03.218 --> 01:58:04.661
[SPEAKER_00]: And nothing else.

01:58:04.681 --> 01:58:08.208
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think Don Calis has clarity as to what the Don Calis family is doing.

01:58:08.228 --> 01:58:09.229
[SPEAKER_00]: Fourth match, Gabe Kid.

01:58:09.249 --> 01:58:13.237
[SPEAKER_00]: Heromo Takahashi and Clark Connors, against the United Empire on Dr. A.L.

01:58:13.317 --> 01:58:17.625
[SPEAKER_00]: Edelogue, France, Jessica O'Kira, and Jacob Austin, Yang.

01:58:17.605 --> 01:58:25.953
[SPEAKER_00]: So there you have that one, uh, then we have Aaron Wolfe's second professional mash, uh, teaming with Torriano, yo and master Watto.

01:58:26.053 --> 01:58:29.336
[SPEAKER_00]: So the former trio's champions, they'll take on another branch of the house of torture.

01:58:29.376 --> 01:58:32.779
[SPEAKER_00]: This one's Renderita, Evel, Don Fale and Dictogo.

01:58:33.139 --> 01:58:41.967
[SPEAKER_00]: So look forward to be, uh, look forward to Wolf and Fale see what kind of feet of strength, uh, Wolf can do with Fale to me anyway.

01:58:42.067 --> 01:58:44.569
[SPEAKER_00]: That's uh, that's what I'm going to be looking for in that one.

01:58:44.589 --> 01:58:46.191
[SPEAKER_00]: But these are all multi-person tags.

01:58:46.231 --> 01:58:47.612
[SPEAKER_00]: They aren't the biggest

01:58:47.592 --> 01:58:52.418
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, no, I was looking at, I'm just like, okay, who can Aaron Wolf going to kill in this match?

01:58:52.438 --> 01:58:52.898
[SPEAKER_01]: You get the win.

01:58:53.719 --> 01:58:55.502
[SPEAKER_00]: But look for, look for there to be challenges.

01:58:56.222 --> 01:58:58.345
[SPEAKER_00]: Look for some champions to get beat.

01:58:58.485 --> 01:59:02.110
[SPEAKER_00]: And look for other people to grab the microphone and and start some stuff.

01:59:02.190 --> 01:59:06.976
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, the New Year's Dash type really tries to set up a few challenges up there.

01:59:07.536 --> 01:59:08.537
[SPEAKER_01]: You're fashion to be getting.

01:59:08.557 --> 01:59:11.221
[SPEAKER_01]: It was like, oh, I'm going to rest looking and I'm going to miss New Year's Dash.

01:59:11.241 --> 01:59:12.202
[SPEAKER_01]: That show could be really good.

01:59:12.242 --> 01:59:17.228
[SPEAKER_01]: And now I'm watching now after I've watched rest looking at what, yeah, I'm OK looking down.

01:59:17.360 --> 01:59:18.301
[SPEAKER_00]: hard to top that.

01:59:18.602 --> 01:59:21.525
[SPEAKER_00]: You'll do sushi, David Finlay, Shinko Takagi and Drillamologi.

01:59:21.545 --> 01:59:28.414
[SPEAKER_00]: So here's your unafiliated slash wardogs again against Jekely, Kalimnuman, Great O'Con, and Henare.

01:59:28.975 --> 01:59:34.361
[SPEAKER_00]: And then we have Junior Heavyweight Tag Team Championship match.

01:59:34.662 --> 01:59:37.686
[SPEAKER_00]: This is a three way, no four ways.

01:59:37.706 --> 01:59:39.207
[SPEAKER_00]: Excuse me, the four teams out there.

01:59:39.227 --> 01:59:42.051
[SPEAKER_00]: And this is going to be Dokey and Show.

01:59:42.031 --> 01:59:51.963
[SPEAKER_00]: versus Desperado and Kukai, versus Eagles and Fujita, versus Ishimori and X, basically we everyone that looked involved in that small match that I before.

01:59:53.425 --> 01:59:53.585
[SPEAKER_00]: Correct.

01:59:53.605 --> 02:00:06.081
[SPEAKER_00]: And then we have the main event, the IWGP tag team titles on the line, Udois and Oscar, the knockout brothers, against TMDK,

02:00:06.061 --> 02:00:07.844
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm looking at the page here at Jeremy.

02:00:07.864 --> 02:00:13.575
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm sorry, I didn't mean to bust out laughing, but this is what is written on the NJPW 1972.

02:00:13.615 --> 02:00:18.384
[SPEAKER_00]: TMDK Rio Heo Iowa and Yota Suji versus the knockout brothers.

02:00:18.644 --> 02:00:25.116
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, I'm pretty sure it's X-ray Virginia and not probably copied and paced at the last time the knockout brother kind of an opponent.

02:00:25.518 --> 02:00:27.660
[SPEAKER_00]: God, uh, nice words, gentlemen.

02:00:28.000 --> 02:00:30.482
[SPEAKER_01]: Uh, but we have a few hours for our 200th episode, Steven.

02:00:30.903 --> 02:00:31.503
[SPEAKER_00]: It's all right.

02:00:31.563 --> 02:00:33.125
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, definitely.

02:00:33.225 --> 02:00:34.206
[SPEAKER_00]: So, all right.

02:00:34.326 --> 02:00:38.510
[SPEAKER_00]: With that in mind, we will be back on Thursday with plenty more to talk about.

02:00:38.530 --> 02:00:41.452
[SPEAKER_00]: We're going to be talking about the week that was Jeremy's experiences.

02:00:41.512 --> 02:00:42.934
[SPEAKER_00]: We'll talk about New Year's Dash.

02:00:43.414 --> 02:00:45.876
[SPEAKER_00]: And we'll be looking ahead toward the new beginning shows.

02:00:46.217 --> 02:00:48.038
[SPEAKER_00]: Uh, there's also going to be a blue justice achievement.

02:00:48.098 --> 02:00:50.701
[SPEAKER_00]: Look at plenty of stuff coming on Thursday.

02:00:51.161 --> 02:00:55.525
[SPEAKER_00]: And once again, this is our 200th episode of this show.

02:00:55.505 --> 02:00:56.927
[SPEAKER_00]: You guys are amazing.

02:00:57.327 --> 02:00:58.769
[SPEAKER_00]: We love the interaction with all of you.

02:00:58.789 --> 02:01:02.754
[SPEAKER_00]: Thank you to everybody who sends us feedback, who sends us comments out here.

02:01:03.094 --> 02:01:05.618
[SPEAKER_00]: We're grateful for all of it and we're grateful you spend your time with us.

02:01:05.678 --> 02:01:07.160
[SPEAKER_00]: We've loved every minute of it.

02:01:07.580 --> 02:01:13.367
[SPEAKER_00]: And shows like this boy, remind you why you, reminds you why you watch all those road two shows along the way.

02:01:13.708 --> 02:01:19.555
[SPEAKER_00]: Because they sometimes, they pay off with what you got at the last three matches of this.

02:01:19.535 --> 02:01:25.160
[SPEAKER_00]: this Tokyo dome, rest of Kingdom 20, it was pretty special last couple of hours of a, of a, of a, of a, of a, of the show.

02:01:25.180 --> 02:01:30.646
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean, I got to tell ya, I was really happy with the show.

02:01:30.686 --> 02:01:32.848
[SPEAKER_01]: I, 200 episodes.

02:01:33.328 --> 02:01:38.133
[SPEAKER_01]: We didn't know each other when we first started a thing, I thought, hopefully we get to 20 episodes, you know?

02:01:38.213 --> 02:01:47.702
[SPEAKER_01]: And then, like, we don't get taken off the air because we saw, and we've outlasted a number of other folks on our network.

02:01:47.682 --> 02:01:57.037
[SPEAKER_01]: We have showed up for every week and we love what we do so thank you for supporting us and giving us the platform fight game media.

02:01:57.117 --> 02:02:09.437
[SPEAKER_01]: Thank you for supporting us and Believing us at a show to our audience and thank you Steven for showing up every week and putting up with my Special form of stupidity

02:02:09.721 --> 02:02:12.365
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, thank you for putting up with my cranky old man stuff too.

02:02:12.445 --> 02:02:13.226
[SPEAKER_00]: So I appreciate that.

02:02:13.287 --> 02:02:15.570
[SPEAKER_00]: But yet on your lawn, Steve, I had off my lawn.

02:02:15.630 --> 02:02:18.214
[SPEAKER_00]: But now we went through a couple of different forms.

02:02:18.294 --> 02:02:20.538
[SPEAKER_00]: The show was it's been a podcast.

02:02:20.558 --> 02:02:23.122
[SPEAKER_00]: Only it's been a pre-recorded video.

02:02:23.242 --> 02:02:25.405
[SPEAKER_00]: It's been live video with interaction.

02:02:25.846 --> 02:02:28.330
[SPEAKER_00]: This is my favorite version of it, what we're doing right now.

02:02:28.390 --> 02:02:30.814
[SPEAKER_00]: So we have had a lot of different iterations.

02:02:30.854 --> 02:02:33.518
[SPEAKER_00]: Took us a while to get dialed in, but man, I loved it.

02:02:33.498 --> 02:02:35.684
[SPEAKER_00]: Thank you, uh, I appreciate it.

02:02:35.704 --> 02:02:39.033
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, appreciate that from Brad, and that's the one that's congratulating us since you weather.

02:02:39.836 --> 02:02:43.666
[SPEAKER_00]: Anyway, time for you to head to an airport, time for me to get some sleep.

02:02:44.589 --> 02:02:48.520
[SPEAKER_01]: Uh, I'm going to a two to column beforehand that the only place I haven't managed to go.

02:02:48.500 --> 02:02:50.543
[SPEAKER_01]: I went to, you know, it's a cookie shop.

02:02:50.584 --> 02:02:52.046
[SPEAKER_01]: I went to Eugene, the goddess shop.

02:02:52.527 --> 02:02:57.215
[SPEAKER_01]: I went to a specialty new Japan, like fashion shop called Halman.

02:02:58.257 --> 02:02:58.357
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

02:02:58.697 --> 02:03:00.080
[SPEAKER_01]: I went to all the places.

02:03:00.100 --> 02:03:03.686
[SPEAKER_01]: I guess Willow, Night and Gale actually ended up going to that one place.

02:03:04.888 --> 02:03:10.998
[SPEAKER_01]: Right after I was there and had a stuck around like 10 more minutes, come out of it, I met Willow night and Gale, there you go.

02:03:11.179 --> 02:03:11.419
[UNKNOWN]: That's okay.

02:03:11.618 --> 02:03:17.473
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, so with that in mind, everybody, we will talk about all of it on Thursday at 5 p.m. Eastern as always.

02:03:17.533 --> 02:03:21.423
[SPEAKER_00]: So thanks for you for listening, for either live here or later on a podcast.

02:03:21.703 --> 02:03:23.347
[SPEAKER_00]: For Jeremy Feinstein, I'm Stephen Conway.

02:03:23.387 --> 02:03:26.435
[SPEAKER_00]: This has been Speaking of Strongstyle and we will talk to you again real soon.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Bye.