NJPW King of Pro Wrestling Preview: Desperado vs. DOUKI & Future Stars | Speaking of Strong Style

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's been an eclectic week in New Japan pro wrestling, the king to of King, I can't just start that over, it's been an eclectic week in New Japan.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The road to King of Pro Wrestling gave us a debut of Kukai and more signs that the knockout brothers might be a true breath of fresh air for the company.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There was also a trip to China for some of the crew, and a special event promoted by Taiji Ishimori that actually outdrew the regular group.

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[SPEAKER_00]: All that and a King of Pro Wrestling preview, which I'm sure I'm still learning to speak.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm Stephen Conway, and this is Speaking of Strong Style.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Welcome everyone to speaking a strong style where we discuss the news issues and events around the New Japan Pro Wrestling when I can actually get words out of my mouth.

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[SPEAKER_00]: My name is Stephen Conway.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's Jeremy Feinstein We're contributors to the fight game media and that we're tripping over the second sentence Jeremy That's gotta be a new record for me

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, we always say they're the one in 100 that always go wrong.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We probably knew and that's about a hundred times Where you do your cold open and I would just die it over here.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm like keep it together.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Keep it together But I waited for that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I waited for the opening credit and then I got like you go out

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[SPEAKER_00]: But hey, when you watch a spot, you keep going straight through, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: You don't just stop.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So here we are.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We're going to keep going.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Everybody.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Morgan, you'll be the easiest Thursday.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Welcome, everybody, for thank you for joining us.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Zach Minger is here telling us that it is international, beer and pizza day.

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[SPEAKER_00]: All right.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Don't drink beer, but I will consume pizza.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, there you go.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So enjoy your beer and a pizza today as you showed.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So we are going to talk about the action that's come up this past week.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mentioned it is and eclectically, there was a show in China.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We had the issue morey thing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We had some road to stuff.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And

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[SPEAKER_00]: It was just a little bit of everything in there, not all of it was of consequence, but a lot of it was entertaining.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So, for Ando's Isis here, columnist here, of course, Zach, appreciate you guys being with us here live today on YouTube, Brad's here.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Happy Udo Isis, a champion day to all who celebrate, to go into Brad.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think we're also ready to utilize this week.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We're going to talk a lot about him, Jeremy, because I think he really showed up a big time in Cork and Hall for sure for his singles match.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So we're going to get to all of that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So how have you spent your week, Jeremy?

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'll quite a few shows to keep track of in New Japan.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then, of course, other big shows going on in Japanese wrestling.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There's the event in Perthaw, Australia for WWE this week.

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[SPEAKER_00]: AEW had a Santa Versary.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So what going on?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Uh, when you put it that way, I feel like I haven't done my homework, but I watched the two shows that I could watch for free, I glossed over the issue morey thing because I felt like it would be more fun for you to reveal to me what happened or we revealed to each other, what happened in the show if we decided to get to it, but it didn't think canonical and

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[SPEAKER_01]: I had a lot of, you know, a lot of stuff to take care of outside.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Apparently, all my friends have October birth days.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I had to put together a little, a little plan for all the people at the end of the month.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I don't plan on watching the WWE show.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Five a.m.

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[SPEAKER_01]: for a $30 service that I'm, I'm currently not paying for on the West Coast.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Just sounds like I don't need to know that Seth Rolls is going to win the match.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So other than that, I just began ready for for King of Pro Wrestling, like I'm locked into that show.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That seems like a lot of fun to me, more than AEW, more than WWE.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm circling that show this weekend, and I'm really interested, especially after a couple of matches that we saw this past weekend, this could be one of the best shows of the year.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I hope so.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And you know, we're going to be seeing also the Noah grand Odyssey.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I did find out how you can get that show by the way it is on a beam of paper view and you can get that in the United States on Noah dot co dot jp that's their English language website.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They have a link.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And that and that is geo coded in such a way that at least in the United States anyway, you can get the show.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I will probably do that turns out Jeremy that show only about.

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[SPEAKER_00]: 15 and a half bucks US for which it'd be a pretty good Noah show so I might go ahead and do that We're here was asking about what about bound for glory.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, you know, there's a well what I bathed out of NFT a while ago

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[SPEAKER_01]: I realized it felt minor league to me and when NXT and TNA decided to incorporate with each other I would show that well and I think it's I think it's a great arrangement for them.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It doesn't do anything for me personally and I hope all parties get exactly what they want out of it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I hope that's the case.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, yeah, and you know, we're looking at this and Collins asking about a Marigold grandest in the 2025 and other Simo Hall show coming up.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He says that he wasn't impressed with the lineup.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Collin isn't, but I am.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I got to admit, I, I'm really fired up about my Louis Vuittonnie against Eels Sky and Mikuano against Utah, Mihai Shista and the other one.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm like, really, Sarah Yamalka against Hashimoto right there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Two people with the amateur wrestling.

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[SPEAKER_00]: background's taking each other on.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think that's going to be really exciting to Hashimoto, the Sendai girl's champion.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So if they're anything else, they're driving me wild, a spoiler or Koda Bushi hurt himself pretty tremendously the last night and taping at AEW collision.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So that kind of took the wind out of my sails a little bit as well, worked just like,

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[SPEAKER_01]: I said it on the discord of like Naito and Abushi cooked each other in their feud and neither one of them was ever really the same afterwards and I don't know if Abushi can come back from the

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, you know the thing with Koto Bushi, he's been gone for years, really.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, there's been a guy that looks like him that's staggering around pro wrestling rings for a couple of years since, but after he jumped off the ropes and messed up his shoulder for New Japan in that G1 final, that was the last Koto Bushi match.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The rest of it is just a guy that looks like Koto Bushi's staggering around a ring since.

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[SPEAKER_01]: In, in my mind, I think we got one more Coto Bushi match after that of cottage, you won final.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And ironically, it was against docata in AEW.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The rest of it, it feels like it was all on borrowed time, and that time was up.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Back in New Japan, talking about some things that are on bar at time, and that is our run up to King of Pro Wrestling, which is a short one.

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[SPEAKER_00]: A very short distance between two points here, the destruction and co-based show, and then this King of Pro Wrestling, they stayed fairly close to home this week.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They didn't really leave the island of Honshu much for the regular tour.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They certainly left for another show that we're gonna talk about a little bit later, the historic crossover in China,

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, the one was in, uh, kind of go all which is just south of Tokyo and other one just a little bit north of Tokyo and then Corican Hall itself staying close to home and, uh, putting on a bunch of them, it would pull out of them to put on the cartel of a shit, but it would have show.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It was definitely a house.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Saturday October 4th, they were in Hirotska, Kanagawa.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And the preview tags here, we did get Kukai.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Kukai's, I believe that was his first New Japan proper New Japan match was there in a preview.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They drew 777, which is a rough attendance.

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[SPEAKER_00]: In the last time they were in that town and that building, it was two years ago, but they drew 1200.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And this time only, uh, not even 800 here.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And that was for the road to soccer of Genesis.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So, not capturing the imaginations.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Then they went to corticone hall.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And there were a couple of matches we're talking about a corticone hall.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Three of them.

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[SPEAKER_00]: In fact, we're going to get into.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And Colin is asking was that historic crossover show live, it was not broadcast on NJPW World, but it was recorded.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And where it is, it will be uploaded to NJPW World when they can.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But it was a live event in Guangzhou, China.

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[SPEAKER_01]: No, are there any results for historic

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, which is odd, but I do have the results.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They did find them on the H match, but we'll talk about those.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And again, more preview tags at Corricon Hall, the first half of the card.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And it had a junior heavyweight title match on top.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Dokey versus El Desparado.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And we're going to get into that one in detail later, but this show only drew 1161, not even 1,200 in Corricon Hall for the junior title stuff.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And this is a rough look.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It will rough to look in the back drop and you'll see empty seats, you know, like you would just look back.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, it's the batting going to be shooting from right there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And they had, like I said, preview tags in the undercard.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It looks like they're building to something with the young lions that these guys are starting to get a little contentious, maybe there's too many of them, and it's just a building to something, because now they're starting to fight after the bell.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And it's not unusual for them to push and shove afterwards, but this is,

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[SPEAKER_00]: in New Japan style, a bit of an angle that these guys are brawling after the matches and calling each other out personally, not just like I want to get a win.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's like, no, I want to be you specifically individually.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It looks like Xanjay and Chama, Kato are particularly at it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I feel like this is leading to something, whether it's

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[SPEAKER_00]: uh someone going off on uh excursion having a farewell match or maybe maybe they're going to bring back the young lion cup they actually have enough young lions to do it now but uh we'll see what comes with that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: If this what we call an intentional escalation via story.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And uh yeah no we're going to put it that going on um

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[SPEAKER_01]: They're only, they're only three matches to talk about for the entire weekend.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Frankly, I'm kidding.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, the rest of it is just they put on shows and the people who saw these cards saw right through it and saw that there wasn't that much to it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And if you did go to this show, you got some matches that

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[SPEAKER_01]: give you a lot of optimism for the future if they decide to really go in that direction.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But other than that, these ticket sales reflect the card that they offered.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like you said, they were onto it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And also wanted the fact that you're not going to get a ton of effort.

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[SPEAKER_00]: out of these and we're going to call a couple people out for that because it was a real laziness in the ring this week.

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[SPEAKER_00]: U.S.

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[SPEAKER_00]: V. A. guys here and he says that Bush he was done the minute.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He was diagnosed with aspiration on pneumonia and that stuff ends a lot of people if it happens to them.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's fair point that does take the steam body and that's a pretty tough tough one to get and to recover from and he also mentions that the dojo is completely folder of tonne guys who haven't debuted yet.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And the dojo link huge to begin with, so when you get this many guys piling up, you know, I think they want to run some kind of an angle off of it, but you know, we have six young lions right now and really

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[SPEAKER_00]: What is it even, you could make the case for seven if you want to get the guy in there and things.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So there are a lot of young lines floating around basically.

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[SPEAKER_01]: There are a lot of young lines and let's be honest.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Conahoch is taking up a lot of time on these cards that at the bottom of the card, you could split two young line matches on and focus of some of the younger talent that should be up and coming higher on the card.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There is a countdown that goes on sometimes with Walker and Chris Charlton on commentaries to how many days are left in a town of how she's career and I have a feeling that more than Walker and Chris are counting them down in anticipation of not having to deal with this anymore.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Those are the only ones I think, and not that they're doing that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's not the story that Walker and Chris are trying to tell, but it's kind of like,

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[SPEAKER_01]: You're pushing that up social media, too.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They're down the countdown on the NutriPan web Twitter or the ads or whatever you want to call it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Where I think I think on Monday, it was like an 89 days and I like also the amount of days before I'm going to Japan.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So that's awesome.

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[SPEAKER_00]: All right, so the three matches that are worth talking about, took place at Corricone Hall, and it was a pair of singles matches where they paired off the two tag teams that will be competing for the IWGP world tag team titles at King of Pro Wrestling.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And the first one was

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[SPEAKER_00]: I like this one a lot.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know that New Japan loves height.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They love big guys like that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And Oscar may not be thick, but he almost has a little bit of a Hickleil thing going that he's a lot of arms and legs, not the bulkiest guy.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Certainly not a donned file a, but he's also a lot better than file a. And they love to push guys like that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So,

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[SPEAKER_00]: If Oscar can work at a decent level and stay healthy, he is going to be taken care of by New Japan.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That is exactly the kind of guy they like to take care of.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's about six foot seven legit and he is starting to bulk up and he is getting pretty good.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He took a lot of this match from Umino as the heel and the newer guy he should have.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's exactly what it should have been.

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[SPEAKER_00]: showed up did a good job as sort of the underdog babyface who is taking the beating but doesn't give up.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But he sheds some runs of selling an offense.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oscars working on getting his sleeper hold over as a finisher.

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[SPEAKER_00]: When they weren't doing this, they were having a little thing going where they don't want to give us knockout brothers versus Shota and Uya early.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So what they're doing is they're having either Shota or Uya wrestle one of the young lions earlier in the night and get a victory and then have the other team with

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[SPEAKER_00]: against the knockout brothers so that they can still do a preview tag have home to get beat.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And nobody takes any damage that's going to be in the title magic king of pro wrestling.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So Hanma does the job every night and they're kind of alternating umino and you and that spot with him while the other faces a lion.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So.

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[SPEAKER_00]: In the meantime, Oscar's been working on getting that sleeper over.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They're not only doing the knockout bomb.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They're also doing this putting guys down with the sleeper and he uses it along with a sleeper slam where he's got the sleeper on, then he lifts the guy up and slams him flat down.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And fans did get into this match a little bit later.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's, secondly, especially during a second sleeper spot, but showed to Umano headbutt in his way out of it, hit the big larry and got the second chapter on Oscar.

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[SPEAKER_00]: To win, I thought it was a good effort by both guys, and then accomplished what it sought out to accomplish.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Show to Umano has the advantage in a singles match.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He has more experiences of single, but Oscar can look physically dominant for runs.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I thought it did its job.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I love to smash so much, so much, Steven.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Go to the motel position as the baby face from underneath and he was able to do the job, especially well with the fire and being positioned with like the uphill battle and that's seating.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Is exactly the kind of perception that he needs to have and I thought that he did really well with this and I thought it was good positioning for him.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Now Oscar, I'm so high on this dude, him and you know, I spoke, we're gonna talk about Oscar right now.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think he picked up and Zachary Hickelale last off when Hickelale left.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I also think he has a higher ceiling than Hickelale in all forms of career.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But I'll just see Hickelale in him.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I also see land culture.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, like I see that he's been studying a little bit of that big man technique that went culture house.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I think he has a potential to achieve him as well.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like he has been given and he is committed to some of the best training in the world.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And he has gone full stop at it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And now you've seen the result of that and him working with you.

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[SPEAKER_01]: 3, 4, 5 years.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And they're like, they're polished.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They came in here and just did singles matches each and I'm ready to put them both in the G1 like a main event G1 match these guys.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But that's how good I thought this was it made me feel like what they were fighting for.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, matter, you know, looking just two guys in a ring, like these two did not like each other, you know, Shota is mad that Oscar got a title before he did.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, sure to still have never got a title in, in New Japan at all.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And for him to be like out there, like, I really don't like that this guy did this, you know, like, I'm going to prove.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And so he beat him to think of a match, but we all know what can happen at that attack, you know.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And, you know, like,

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[SPEAKER_01]: They set it up perfectly.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The single star get the single's win and the tag game gets the tag win.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that, that to me just feels like and laying the groundwork with Walker and Charlton throughout both of these matches that as you mentioned, these tag titles have never haven't had a successful title to Fed could over a year.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I talked October of last year when Mikey Nichols and Shane Hay successfully defended the titles and it was against Folle and One of his guys from Tamashi You know, there was one of those guys and trying to remember was a caveman hug Or something like that I could have been the good about the ginger guy with the beard It wasn't it wasn't bonds.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yeah, I wasn't bonds.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It was like a man hug or something like that came in hug I'm getting that wrong a little bit.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'll look that up.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but that but that's the whole thing is that like

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't want to tell it, but it felt like it started making performance, but in a little bit of both for these two guys, and we'll get to it right now, all four guys.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It was Cape Manog.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I was at was a five-lane game, and I got it, I knew.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And you gave it to our memories or slipped into our old age.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm certainly saying that about myself.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Bye.

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[SPEAKER_00]: After that, we had Uemora and Udo ice.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So, boy, and you mentioned how ice and an Oscar have been working together a long time.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They have.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They were both at the Faleidojo.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Before they even got to the Nogate Dojo in Japan.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They of course were there as young lions all through their through that run and then they went on excursion together, but of course, you know, was Well, it suffered severe setback and only a minute into his first match dislocated his elbow and apparently still suffering some effects of it according to the story line now might even be real.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You can't do a full bicep curl with that aren't because it just doesn't quite go all the way up the way it's supposed to.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So, there's a little bit of steam on this match going in.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Then you get the fact that Euto Ice has really blossomed as a character, and his charisma has shown up this match was terrific.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Both of them went about 15 minutes by the way, which is not to be discounted either.

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[SPEAKER_00]: In about 15 minutes, it's not an error of these guys sucking wind hard at the end of it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The conditioning is there as well.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Ice portrays an air of danger that I think New Japan could really use.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And Brad mentions the spot here, and I'm going to read Brad's comment, and then we'll talk more about it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He said the one where the kick knee.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The corner kick from Udo Ice to Uyo and Udo was in the corner was disgusting.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The noises I made were not at this planet.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That was one, too.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Uyo sent Uyo back to TNA with that kick.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I like that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: There was also a under the ring rope, where he just liked to eat it went down,

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[SPEAKER_00]: Early in this one, he picked up a table and just threw it at Uemora.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There were no barricades because they were doing the junior heavyweight title match later.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So the guys could jump and dive and then I thought, I thought, I thought the, oh, go ahead.

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[SPEAKER_00]: No, no, go ahead.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I thought that me through the table where you look on the ground and he did the bomb a clot and that move is getting over by the way.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He did the bomb a clot with you, you head through the table.

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[SPEAKER_01]: When you, you look on the ground, I was just like, you

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[SPEAKER_00]: Wow, and after that it was mostly you to again, as a way more of what attack his arm, which makes sense, of course, in the storyline, and

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[SPEAKER_00]: Isis charisma and brawling style really worked here.

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[SPEAKER_00]: This is fun to watch and he has a good sense of timing as well.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So that's develop.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I really do see the good version of Togey Machabe in Udo ice when you when he was in his prime.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Fighting chaos and all that stuff the chaos faction that that Togey Machabe the early never open weight title Machabe.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I've heard people compare him to Shinya Hashimoto.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think it's a little bit too early to put Udo on that level yet, not saying you can't get there, but that's pretty rare air to say he's a Shinya Hashimoto.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But Makabe, I mean, I can see him as a Makabe these days.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And it ended up hitting the deadbolt and arm bar for the tap out.

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[SPEAKER_00]: A U-Yugat, those moves, he hit the deadbolt, moved into an arm bar, and got the tap out, but this was terrific.

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[SPEAKER_00]: This measure is excellent.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And right now, you don't know Kashema, our Udo ice is legit either as a tag team wrestler or you can put them in the singles and he'd be a credible threat to just about anybody.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I think these guys are exactly the kind of new talent we want to see, the question is will the company get behind them the way they need to.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think the two magic for these two guys did a lot for the company to be compelled to get behind them, I think.

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[SPEAKER_01]: you were right in the mock-a-bay comparison in the shing in comparison.

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[SPEAKER_01]: What the person that I think you know that then watching on TV and getting his starl down from, if John Moxley, like he is master that John Moxley, like, wear down with the snarl kind of thing that I've been doing for years, and I was just looking at him like,

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[SPEAKER_01]: you are the perfect guy to be doing this and co-opting it in Japan.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like you have that mean SOB style of, like you feel like they're danger when that dude is in the right.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like you feel like they're an heir of things are going to go wild somebody could get hurt.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He's gotten hurt, he damn near, like,

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[SPEAKER_01]: some of the spawns in this match with you.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe they're both fine.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe they need it a week off after this match, but some of it looked pretty painful and I think they trust each other.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think there's any ill will or anything like that, but they had an opportunity to

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[SPEAKER_01]: really can tell the audience that what not real is real and that these two in the wrestling world do not like each other.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And it is the first time I've seen a rivalry, a rivalry between two natives like members of the niche fan promotion that feel like they really don't like each other in this like young generation.

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[SPEAKER_01]: you know, you have the fire on the ice.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They talked about that where you, uh, it's got the heat storm.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then the, you know, I, so that they're natural enemies with each other.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And they've laid the ground work for a pretty amazing future for the east two.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The only thing that made me laugh was the finish

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[SPEAKER_01]: They were watching you, uh, take the dead boat superfuck and then, uh, you, uh, immediately walks him into the submission like the arm walk that wrenches on his bad elbow and they're both convinced that you if not, or you know, is not going to tap.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He's not going to tap.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You won't tap like that's not different immediately.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, I tap and they're both silent.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And they need to be smarter about that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The Chris and Walker need to be smarter about it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I watch it like better day than head.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, there were there have been a few things again.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I know that a lot of people.

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[SPEAKER_00]: uh... like walker he was good on destruction and co-bay and he has he has a good voice but boy he blows a lot of calls still blows a lot of calls uh... i mean i would be new that they didn't know the finisher yeah i guess that's true but good grief don't he's not gonna tap he's not gonna tap a boy that's a good way to look like an idiot in a kind of a lot of people tap

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[SPEAKER_01]: I was thinking like, what could you have said in that?

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[SPEAKER_01]: And like he's in a position where he doesn't want to tap, but he may need to save his elbow if he doesn't want to be on the other side.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So it's a business to say, so he can get his ass at Sumo Hall.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And you can see.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Shouldn't be that there was angry and hell afterward for having done the whole storyline.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And the moment was just kind of like,

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[SPEAKER_00]: I remember he called something a he called a move.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It was a move where the guy picks him up kind of flips him over his back and then drops him down on his knee.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So the guys running on any called a cabrata con hilo and that move is neither a cabrata nor is there a con hilo and a cabrata is a lion's salt.

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[SPEAKER_00]: that's a cabrata.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So Chris Jericho took the cabrata when he was in wrestling in Mexico and he used it as a junior heavyweight man.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And Chris Jericho became one of the few heavyweights who could really make a cabrata look good.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so, you know, the lion saw became a big thing out of space.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, he just calls this move that has nothing to do with either those things the cabrata cone yellow.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And it's sometimes like, are you just making things up?

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't, I don't understand where the

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[SPEAKER_00]: Anyway, but yeah, and I can't comment.

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[SPEAKER_00]: She's fine on startup coming out.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I wish he were as good on New Japan as he is on startup.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's terrific on startup.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think he likes startup more than he likes New Japan.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's certainly broadcasted like you.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The only thing that I could get a sense of, and I don't speak to the man, I don't think, like, if people like you're spreading himself very thin with all of his opportunities and his hustle, and when New Japan was his gig, and it was the thing that he was doing the most, and granted this could be front office, like we're budget cutting, and like he's not doing all the shows, and whatever.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But he felt more locked in when this was his primary focus.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And now that there are other things like startup and he's state side and he's doing domestic shows and he's going to school and all of these things are excellent.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But New Japan Pro Wrestling to me feels like a premier promotion that should have an announcer that isn't really having the options of doing all these side-outs.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that's a fair point.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And that's part Bushy Rhodes fault, isn't it?

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[SPEAKER_00]: The, you know, they just don't have, they don't seem to be able to budget either.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The will or the ability to budget for somebody just going and be a good, new Japan announcer, they have to do 10 different things.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And obviously there are a bunch of jobs I factor because I want to caveat that, but that's just by kind of like, if they're going to improve it, it just requires more of a singular focus back to New Japan.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And, all right, well, we'll move on from that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And, you know, I'm not trying to pile on the guy.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I hope he does.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He was a destruction of Kobe was a good night for him.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So maybe he'll be focused at King of Pro Wrestling.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And he's also going to be doing Saturday's show live, as well.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That one said, Saturday or Friday, I'll look it up in a minute.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The night, no, it is going to be Saturday's show, the 11th.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That one is on New Japan, World on both English and Japanese live commentary.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So there's sending him to that one.

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[SPEAKER_00]: After that, though, we did have an IWGP junior heavyweight title match.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It was El Desperado defending against Dokey.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And this is where my worry about Dokey joining House of Torture came true.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He is, he's show with a mask now.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's kind of marrow with a pipe instead of a bottle.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He has lost all the things that made him interesting.

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[SPEAKER_00]: the wrestling was good in the beginning of the match, but it had none of the intensity of Dokey in the Tokyo dome.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I was sitting in the dome.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I felt that people were into that match.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They were excited about Dokey versus El Desparado.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He got hurt.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's nobody's fault.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's a crappy accident and thanks.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He had that famous Kabuki actor come out with him when I was sitting in a restaurant after

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[SPEAKER_00]: Somebody who had nothing to do with wrestling.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We were having, I was having Yakiniku and I was talking with a Japanese couple that were sitting at a table next to me.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mentioned that I had been at the dome and somebody else in the restaurant, there's a very small restaurant, so everybody was kind of talking with everybody, said, oh, wrestling, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm a pro-essive.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And they mentioned that, oh, this Kabuki actor who's a big deal was there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like they knew that, they didn't watch wrestling, but they knew this Kabuki actor had come out with Tokyo.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, somebody that had nothing to do with wrestling, it was almost like a little pop culture moment.

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[SPEAKER_00]: This match was a dead fish compared to that, and this should be one of the most anticipated junior heavyweight matches in all of New Japan again, and it didn't even fill up Corican Hall.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And it's just sad.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And show almost worked as much as Doki did here, a ton of interference, especially

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[SPEAKER_00]: Kukai jumped in and helped out, but he got hit by the ranch, so he looked in the effective.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Despae managed to hit Doki with the pipe a couple of times, and that got somewhat of a pop, but not really.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Although that should have been a big moment, he hit a pinch a local, but no referee.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Show ends up hitting Despae with this black mirror thing they've got now, which doesn't look dangerous, doesn't make a good noise, doesn't look like it would actually

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[SPEAKER_00]: Doki then put in the darkness choke.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's called now instead of the Doki Choki hit him again with this silly black mirror thing the referee stopped it because he was allegedly out this barato and we have a new champion.

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[SPEAKER_00]: This was not good at all.

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[SPEAKER_00]: This was bad.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It landed with a thud, the people at Corricon Hall didn't care about it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And this is one of the most anticipated matches of Russell Kingdom last year.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And this thing just lands with a thud.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's another example of why this is a terrible mistake by New Japan to take Dokey and just make him another guy in house a torture.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Instead of the interesting fascinating character he was before that, it is backfired on him and they can't draw flies with this guy.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Now, good job.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well done.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I hope it was worth it to add a tenth guy to house the torture and take away someone who could have been a drawing card.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's the junior heavyweight champion.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Now, I don't think anybody cares.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I thought the match, I was really excited to have these two fake off with each other again.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And for all intent and purposes, I got pretty much the match I thought I was gonna get.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that's the point I'm trying to make.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It should have been so much better than this and that's exactly what it was gonna be.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Another hand just another house of torture match.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And the only reason

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[SPEAKER_01]: In my mind, I'm okay with it if because if you do it right, you're saving the good stuff for when they run it back at a bigger show, you know, like you have the bullshit, you have all of these like the house of torture, you have to a guy get, you know, annihilated, you have death barato essentially knocked out and the referee calling it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: uh, for Doki after getting out there.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And all of the things of an injustice for Desperado in which he is going to from underneath fight all of this back.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Is it regressive?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, is the way that they got there, not appealing for a lot of people and reflective in the ticket sales?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Absolutely.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But I'm also looking at it from a booking standpoint and seeing that they clearly don't think food should have already yet.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Hiromotaka Hashi isn't like the guy anymore in the division.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Really the only two people that are circling the top of that division are Dokey and Desperado.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Everyone knows it since the last press will kingdom.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I'd be shocked if the rest will

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, there'll be other people involved in it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They won't just do those two against each other.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They'll be, if they do it, it'll be a three-way or four-way or something, but maybe it could be, you know, like maybe Desperado with the Super Junior Tag League with Kukai, and instead of challenging for the tag titles, he challenges Doki for the IWGP Junior Heavyweight instead.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Don't think that's how it works.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But they do whatever they want with those titles all throughout the year all I'm saying is that like I'm willing to let this play out because I get the frustration of this match now and waiting for it and all these things but to me this was always the beginning of the story and not the end.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I just, I disagree on that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm sorry, this should have been a big drawing match that just landed with a thud and was almost ignored.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And it's because of the piss poor booking and just making him so ordinary in house torture.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And Brad has, and he said, Dokey as a heel isn't treating sure.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He has a reason to be pissed at Desperado, 100%.

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[SPEAKER_00]: As part of house torture, it's not the move.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Exactly, unafiliated was sitting right there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It fits the entire dokey character to be an unafiliated after all those years on the Mexican Indies, and then you can put them in there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He can his junior team could be Diking a guy and dokey.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's an interesting tag team.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I know that they already have her own move, but her own was basically an open weight wrestler in some ways.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He wrestles more heavy as many heavy weights as he does Junior's now.

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[SPEAKER_00]: would have been still intriguing if you want to tell the story that I can't be in hindsight.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't like master water, you know, I never did.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He was the company's hand pick guy when I was working kids birthday parties in Mexico for five bucks.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I can't be in a faction with him.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I can't be in a faction with desparado because I have to beat him.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Fine, on board, 100%.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But

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[SPEAKER_00]: The house of torture thing is just a thought and he's just another guy and like I said, uh, bacon has it here.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He says, bacon, everyone joins house of torture in New Japan.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Everyone joins the Don Callis family in AEW.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And yeah, and those are two, uh, two promotions who have been booked piss poor for the last, uh, at least several months in New Japan the first half of the year with Goto was a little bit stronger.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Although it's top heavy, the booking in New Japan hasn't been great this year at all.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And AEW is a mess.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And you know, and so it's, yeah, it's a, it's the laziness of it of taking somebody intriguing and just saying, oh, he's a bad guy now.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It just hit somebody with a pipe.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And just, you had one of the richest stories in the company.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And he's now just show with a mask and kind of

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[SPEAKER_01]: I see what you're saying, I really do, but to me, he is a focal point of the company as the top heel in the junior heavyweight division, and he's given a done with a affiliated and been actually with House of Torture.

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[SPEAKER_01]: This is all a through line.

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[SPEAKER_01]: This goes all the way back to Suzuki Gune.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Then to Jeff five guys.

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[SPEAKER_01]: There was a natural split with Kanamaro going to house a torture earlier and then dokey kind of sighting with him when the rest of the guys went to Hauntai.

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[SPEAKER_01]: This all made a certain amount of sense within the hierarchy.

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[SPEAKER_01]: of New Japan, given that Doki was an outsider in the first place, and he had no friendship affiliation with the L.I.J.

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[SPEAKER_01]: guys.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They never made any intonation with them.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It would have felt completely out of what field.

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[SPEAKER_01]: What did a better combination?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But they need, they need people to be the bad guy.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They need an evil.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They need

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[SPEAKER_01]: They need dokey they have show kind of are if you want heels in the junior heavyweight division they don't need another one We have gone through this like the best we know like the show the capital for show has been spent and he is You know the second in command in the junior heavyweight division.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He is not the he's the guy that wins the title on account out not even like a referee decision

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[SPEAKER_01]: you know, you saw how they're both booked against Desperado.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I won't be shocked to Desperado that single match is an absolute like ass beating of show.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, it's like we've just going in there and shows going to be in a first hardcore match and God knows how long because Desperado has ready to destroy him.

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[SPEAKER_00]: For I can't believe we're making a excuse for this crap.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I just did not make excuses.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm just saying like, they have shows to book and they need.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They have a plan with the story and I'm just looking through it and it's like, okay, if this is what we're going to do, I can see the through line and why they want to do it clearly that the story of Hiroshi Taohashi and everything else is just kind of.

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[SPEAKER_01]: underneath, like subplot CD and E, not even subplot B, but when I'm looking at it, I'm like, you still need bad guys, and at least, you know, we have good work great bad guys instead of not because at least we have an opportunity for the promise to do the match.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Desperado and Dokey didn't need to be a good guy, bad guy situation.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It could be two guys who just have to beat one another.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And that's intriguing on the song.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It was intrigued.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It was enough on January 4th.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It should still be enough now.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It doesn't have to be in some guys, a cheating bastard.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It can just be the Dokey has to beat Desperado or he can't sleep at night.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's all it needed to be.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They had it and they gave it up and this landed with an absolute

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[SPEAKER_00]: tiny and in the middle of the most popular city in the world, they couldn't fill it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There you go.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's to show you, isn't successful?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Objectively, not.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Objectively, it was a bad idea.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And let alone subjectively as an archive.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Objectively, it couldn't fill a corrican hall.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Are you shedding me that they can't fill a corrican hall with a junior heavyweight title?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Ridiculous.

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[SPEAKER_00]: After that, I mean, never open-weight six-man title matches of Phil Corick and for the love of God.

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[SPEAKER_00]: No one cares about that title, including the guys holding it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Half a time, they don't even remember they do.

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[SPEAKER_00]: After that garbage, there was also a show in Guanju, China.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And yeah, I'm Brad Mech, Assistant, does the good work rate matter when it all ends with interference?

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[SPEAKER_00]: No.

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[SPEAKER_00]: No, no.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It doesn't.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It just turns all that on said.

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[SPEAKER_00]: On the fifth, they weren't Guanzhu China for a show that was called Historic Crossover.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There really wasn't any crossover.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It was a mix of startup matches.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We're starting wrestlers.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We're starting wrestlers.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There were a couple of New Japan matches on the show.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then there were some matches with Chinese talent.

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[SPEAKER_00]: in the middle there from from people that were from that area and from promotions there in China, which I would be curious to see someday.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I just want to see what that looks like out there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Same with the Korean organization.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I wouldn't mind if some of that popped over on the NJPW world if they make some alliances, but yeah someday.

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[SPEAKER_00]: What we basically saw were

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[SPEAKER_00]: matches that you would see on house shows for start them.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So you had like, I'm a sore A and lady C defeating me.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm a sockie and star like kid in the opener.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm a lady C are what the Tokyo towers.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think they're calling them now.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They're two of the taller wrestlers in start them.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And they're going to go after the tag team title.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So they got a win just to push that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Then there were a couple of matches with Chinese talent.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They put up a future of start and title match where Hanako defeated Iasakura, Hanako another one of the tallest ones.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then we had two New Japan singles matches.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And that was Master Watso beating Ryusuke Taguchi, and Babyface match there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then in a singles match, the Zack Saber Jr.

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[SPEAKER_00]: defeated Kushita.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Not a world title match was not built as such just a match that featured the world champion against Kushita.

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[SPEAKER_00]: One about 17 minutes and five seconds.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then the main event of that one was the cosmic angel group and that's a boy, Sayori Anu and Sayaka Carrara taking on defeating Natsuko Tora, Rina and Ruaqa of the hate faction.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So,

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[SPEAKER_00]: Basically, baby face finishes, I doubt that Zach Saber Jr.

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[SPEAKER_00]: worked as a heal.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm guessing that he was, even against Kishita, he was probably doing the a technical masterpiece style of match right here.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But if you look at this up and down, it's no heals going over really.

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[SPEAKER_00]: what you would expect was just kind of a send everybody home happy kind of match where they get to see some of the stars they catch on the internet.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'd imagine that's how they see at NJPW world and start in the world.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So that was a long shoe show.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We don't have any attendance figures for it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And where it is, whenever it's ready, they recorded it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And whenever they get it back and get it all edited up and things.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So it's allegedly going to appear on NJPW world eventually.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So when it does, we'll take a look.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm struggling to find out what is historic about this cross over here.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I think it's just a name they used in the past.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, the cross Brandon shows was started in a new pan.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They said, well, just call it that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But you're absolutely right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The crossover part was not that they were on the same show.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The crossover part was that there were mixed tag matches on it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That was the crossover thing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And that didn't happen here at all.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean, uh, I remember Will Osprey had a had a really great match on a historic and sober, and that's where Kenny Omega, a challenge for Russell Kingdom one year.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So, this definitely doesn't feel like that level of like you can't miss this.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, no, certainly not.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And Brad mentions that like Nigel McGinnis got a title match, but because she didn't couldn't have her enough.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I guess they just didn't want to do a canonized title match here.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think they wanted to give you the impression that it, because it is falls between the two big events.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And remember, they had a match where it was supposed to be Zach or Rennerita facing Takeshita

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[SPEAKER_00]: Then it would have had to be Zach or Rennerita facing Kushita.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Then the winner of that faces to catch the net.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think that gets clumsy when you're talking about promoting King of Pro Wrestling.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So they just said to make this one not title.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Call and mention, they made Chinese fans pay for that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: If you never ever get to see these guys, there were probably some fans who were excited about it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But I have no idea what attendance was.

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[SPEAKER_00]: None.

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[SPEAKER_01]: their play to Brad.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I wasn't expecting on October 9th, 2026.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The Nigel Vigitte could be catching straight on a new Japan podcast.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, well, you know, it's a, yeah, great job.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm in the future.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I really think that was more promotional than anything else that they didn't want to do the whole neurotic work at all.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We're glad they were close to half.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, that's true, too, isn't it?

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's

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[SPEAKER_00]: But I suppose, like I said, the fans in China may have been excited to see these people that they never get to see live.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So there it goes.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So that was that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then we had Jeremy on Tuesday, October 7th, Ishi Mori gets more ridiculous.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So this was a two hour long match that included multiple blocks of wrestlers,

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[SPEAKER_00]: And it kind of went on a bit like a, a bit like a royal rumble fusion of that, and then there would be now ishimori is an every block.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So that's the idea that ishimori is going through this whole match, but by doing it like a royal rumble, he got some rest because ishimori didn't come out until he didn't always come out first.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So sometimes he got a bit of a break, so there are multiple blocks of wrestlers.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They had the blocks had themes.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We'll get into that in a little bit.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But if Ishimori was eliminated, that was a point deducted from his total.

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[SPEAKER_00]: If he scored a fall, that was a point in favor of his total.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then we were kind of keeping track.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So he would get a pen, get a point.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He would get eliminated,

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[SPEAKER_00]: You get eliminated apparently by being, by taking a fall that gets you out, except if she's morey, just has to keep on going.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Now, yes, it's the whole thing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And he's trying to stay on the plus side of this equation.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Of course, he went down early and had to rally and come back and they were this kind of stuff.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But mostly, this was a comedy show.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So the whole idea that this was going to be some intense to our match, forget it, most of what was going on was comedy skits and things so that one he could rest, then there would be some wrestling, then someone else would come out and do something funny and take the attention for a little while.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But everyone said this is mostly a comedy variety show.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So don't sweat the score too much.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I guess was the whole point on this as a little bit like what is it to, uh, uh,

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[SPEAKER_00]: the the comedy show the improv comedy show everything's made up in the point stone matter that type of thing that whose lines is anyway that's sure right but

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[SPEAKER_00]: There are too many people the name that we're on this show and it's not really the point, but there were comedy figures.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So to Gucci was there doing skits.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The was at the brothers from big Japan pro wrestling were there, the Boschman brothers and they also had legends like Junakiyama and Tetsumi Fujianami.

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[SPEAKER_00]: She go to Kagi was part of it a few of the young lions and you can say right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: June, because I was heavily involved as well.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So, it was something novel, it was something different.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And the night after New Japan drew fewer than 1,200, this drew over 1,400 in the same building.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So a lot more people interested in seeing Taijie Shimori do comedy skits than watching Doke Challenge for the IWGP Junior Heavyweight title, but which goes to prove my point again.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Do you think it would dump that Cloto or to dump you or to get you doing a dance routine that's right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, I forgot that dump Matsumoto was in there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Good grief.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: She got in there as well.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So, you know, that was the whole thing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It was just this little little segments and bits where people would take the attention for a little while and everybody got their little shine in and then issue more.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He would wrestle for a little bit and apparently the the the gag was that all this was put together by AI.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So at the end, Ishimori is giving his speech.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then the AI voice came over the PA and said there will be Ishimori gets even more ridiculous.

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[SPEAKER_00]: This was like, the first one was Ishimori gets ridiculous.

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[SPEAKER_00]: This one was even more ridiculous.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And the next one's going to be even more more ridiculous.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And Ishimori was just like, oh, you got to be kidding me.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Because the whole gimmick was that Ishimori didn't want to do this.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But AI book the show was the gag that the running gag throughout the night.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And in the end, AI just said, well, we'll be doing this again soon.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And it'll be even more and more ridiculous.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So there you go.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, dump was in that bank and you're right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And Brad mentions that June, because I draws sure you.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I guess so maybe he, I'm sure he helped.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, this was a, this is a little wacky, wacky night out of Corican Hall.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I think the, the novelty of it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: drew some people because they're at Mal was in it where we've seen Mal during the junior heavyweight tournament he was there as well so some of the names that popped up they were from everywhere you got to give issue more credit for having ties to a lot of different promotions there were guys from big Japan there were guys from June cuzized death match group they were guys from DDT and

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, Junaki Amma is heavily involved with DDT now, but he was, of course, the, the Noah and all Japan guy.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So he seems to be the, the one who can unify the wrestling business in Japan, Jeremy seems like everybody loves issue more.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He's a uniter, not a defider, the realist and the term.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I know I didn't watch a show.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I've put down 20 money for from the death band, the death matches and some of the other stuff.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I was like, I'm okay with not watching this one.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I saw the result.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Still feel pretty okay with the, you know, the fly by on the one.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's all right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then for the last show of the week was today.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It was in Ishikawa.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They drew about 1500, which is about what they did the last time they were

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[SPEAKER_00]: uh... this one was uh... preview tags some were good uh... the unafiliated versus war dogs thing was but strong those guys had a lot of energy some of it was really bad uh... like sonata completely phoning in his match and doing that got awful thing where the eddy guerrero spot that he doesn't do nearly as well as eddy guerrero where he face getting hit by the guitar tosses the guitar at the other guy and uh...

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's rotten.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But anyway, that was part of the show today.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So that was the bad part, but the main event was pretty good.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There's nothing that you need to see from this one.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And there's a lot of going through the motions on the shows, just a lot of it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And the effort used to be a lot better, but it's one of those things where T-shirt nighto.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It seems to be the avatar for these house shows, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Where Nito would wear a shirt, he wouldn't even take a shirt off.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And that's how you knew you were getting low effort stuff.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's gonna do a few moves, and that would be it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm bringing this up for a reason.

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[SPEAKER_00]: T-shirt Nito was invented as part of his heel persona.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Where he came back from Mexico, started the in-gobanoblase in the hop-on day-up-on.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Persona was that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You people rejected me.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The company didn't stay behind me.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The hell with all of you.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I am not going to entertain you.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, I'm going to beat your favorites.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That I'm going to do.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But you want me in a six man tag in the middle of a road to thing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not even taking my shirt off.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It was a heel thing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like I am not going to entertain you.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not putting forth this effort.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The problem is it became a self-fulfilling prophecy.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And he stopped putting forth effort.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then it became a real thing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So even after he turned baby face, T-shirt, nighto was a thing where you knew you were gonna get three or four spots out of him and that was it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: When you see one of the top people in the company, one of the top people in the entire company doing that, it sort of dribbles down the rest of the card and then the rest of the card starts doing the same thing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We are getting T-shirt, New Japan on a lot of these road shows.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: where these guys aren't just doing a few spots, and that's about it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And the people like Shingo Takagi, I'll mention, David Finlay, I'll mention.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Uly Moro, sometimes Yoda's sushi, and those aren't the only ones.

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[SPEAKER_00]: A fantastic one, I'll put fantastic one there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The guys that actually try, stick out like a sore thumb.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But everybody else is T-shirt, Dujipat, through these shows right here.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And it's just a little bit rough to watch.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm a match of seven preview tags and all of them but five of the guys are T-shirt and New Japan and we're just seeing a lot of that on these road two shirts.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Could I make a confession here, Steven?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, go ahead.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I didn't know there was a show today and I didn't watch it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You didn't miss anything.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's awesome because I definitely had the time to because I went back and I rewatched the three matches from the other thing to stay fresh because I knew we were going to be conversing about that, so that didn't mean to laugh because I was like, no, set about that show today.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I sorry, everybody, I didn't even even roll solo on this one.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's all right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Maria Gracie, LSI, is here.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Hello, Maria.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm glad you're here, back in as well.

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[SPEAKER_00]: By the way, we brought you comment up earlier, but want to say hello.

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[SPEAKER_00]: She said that she enjoys death matches.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They're not for everybody, but June Kassai, who is the person, obviously, that you first think of when you think about death matches in Japan anyway, does them better than most.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There is something about him and the way he does them.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I think I like death matches.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't like death matches.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I like them more than hardcore matches when done is part of a regular pro wrestling match, because I think those look really

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[SPEAKER_00]: boring and lame, and we've seen every incarnation we can see of it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I feel like there's a little bit more spirit in a June-Kasai death match, a little bit more of a story to it, and a knock-on death match wrestling in America is it's just

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[SPEAKER_00]: Uh, a geek show, meaning in the old idea of a geek show, somebody like putting a, putting a long needle through their arm, you know, like David Blaine stuff that he does now or someone getting their public stomach pumped like the freak show stuff you get it carnivals and things like that that it's just, I'll stand still while you hit me with glass and I'll stand still while you wrap me in barbed wire and it's.

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[SPEAKER_00]: like that, whereas I do feel like when it's done well and June-to-sized groups seem to do a better than most, there is actually a story to the match.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Does that make any sense Jeremy or I just kind of, it does.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm with you on all of that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I think the way I would put it is that

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[SPEAKER_01]: a design and an intentionality behind them, in which a lot of thought and care is given into the design and the way out of the match, especially in a June case I or a Desperado death match.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Because the images are so dangerous that you need to have a skilled set of thinking from point A to point Z of what you're gonna do

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[SPEAKER_01]: and what you're going to get there and if you're in the right frame of mind to execute these things after doing a number of different, I know, a different spark.

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[SPEAKER_01]: When I watch a hardcore or a death match in America and granted, I stay away from the CZW and the GCW like Yeah, there's just so there's so repetitive so you do not have the skill and a period of wrestlers that come in there with.

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[SPEAKER_01]: ring general experience of how to weigh out a match that isn't anything more than an escalating series of gruesome attacks upon each other in which you finally after 15 or 20 minutes and with, you know, sharp of glass on a table or something on the head or just something so brutal that your opponent can't come back from it rather than like a story being told

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[SPEAKER_01]: with all of the weapon and an intentionality to inflict damage, but nothing so unnecessary outside of the story of the match.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, well said.

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[SPEAKER_00]: All right, so that's our tree steas on death match wrestling, which has nothing to do with anything new Japan's doing at the moment.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There you go.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But, you know, yeah, we do.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Here's what's coming up this week.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So on October, you let it, that's Saturday.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The crew is in Saitama.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And this is a both English and Japanese commentary.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They did not send a walker to the show today, but they are sending him to Saitama.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Saitama is basically part of the overall Tokyo metropolitan area.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Really, it's another big city on that same.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Bay, the pretty much presses up against Tokyo, same way Yokohama and Shiba do.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's all part of the same area there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Saitama, junior heavyweight tag team title match, show and Dokey will defend against Desperado and Kukai.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Other than that, it's a preview tag show again.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But it does have that junior heavyweight tag team title about in the main event.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So, would you be shocked if they flip the title on the Dokey and Kukai here?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, I would because Doki and Kukai aren't wrestling on the same team.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Sorry.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That would be Okay, I was going to say which side would you be shocked if they flip the tight like the junior tag titles?

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[SPEAKER_01]: No, the other guys had a Doki one.

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[SPEAKER_00]: No, I wouldn't be surprised after that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: No.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, feel like they would do.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm not again, if if it's all filled with interference from house of torture, I don't really care.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, it's for sure.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's like a rag anyway.

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[SPEAKER_01]: To me, it's not even an elevation for death baratodes to put some shine on the other guy.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, to happen stand out and get the attack tiles and, you know, death baratodes in, you know, a good spot in the Super Junior tag league, you know, like, yeah, and whoever wins a smash will go into tag league as a champions.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So, that's, that's, it makes no sense for Doki to be a dual champ.

01:00:08.971 --> 01:00:17.399
[SPEAKER_00]: not really, although I still think that sometimes especially for these tournaments aside from the G1, which is kind of its own thing.

01:00:19.101 --> 01:00:20.582
[SPEAKER_00]: It's on its own level of prestige.

01:00:20.923 --> 01:00:25.947
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, the other turns it feels like it's almost better to have a heel champ going in, so the

01:00:27.062 --> 01:00:32.626
[SPEAKER_00]: Because the heel champion shouldn't win the tournament because then they call their own shot and there's no way.

01:00:32.666 --> 01:00:37.610
[SPEAKER_00]: So the story can be that somebody upsets the heel and then at least you're happy about that.

01:00:37.650 --> 01:00:43.815
[SPEAKER_00]: Whereas if you go in with a baby face champion, there's almost like this thing where the baby face has to fail in some keyway.

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[SPEAKER_00]: which can be a story.

01:00:45.496 --> 01:01:03.990
[SPEAKER_00]: It can work like that, but it seems like it almost works better with a heel champ and baby face is trying to climb this difficult task of winning this tournament or achieve this difficult task, climb this mountain, win this tournament, get to the champ who fails at the end in a way that creates a challenger.

01:01:04.050 --> 01:01:08.493
[SPEAKER_01]: But you can go that way if they just had it

01:01:12.617 --> 01:01:15.778
[SPEAKER_01]: keep growing up in Louisiana.

01:01:15.798 --> 01:01:23.880
[SPEAKER_00]: Brad says, watch the Junior Test stay on House of Torture when Kukai turns on Despae and joins House of Torture and becomes the 1900th member of officially right there.

01:01:24.300 --> 01:01:26.581
[SPEAKER_00]: Eventually there's not going to be room at Corricon Hall for all of them.

01:01:26.601 --> 01:01:28.901
[SPEAKER_00]: They'll just take up all the seats all the members of House of Torture.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The frown as I assist Kactus Jack.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Wouldn't be who he is without the Japanese death matches at the beginning of his career and boys that the truth.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That is exactly right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He really made a

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[SPEAKER_00]: mostly in the IWA, one of those, and they had a match tournament, a tournament.

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[SPEAKER_00]: One night death match tournament at Kawasaki Baseball Stadium, and Jeremy, when I was in my tape trading days, I was actually a pretty coveted

01:01:57.390 --> 01:02:00.453
[SPEAKER_00]: tape to get your hands on was the IWA death match.

01:02:00.573 --> 01:02:18.352
[SPEAKER_00]: I was at an outdoor baseball stadium and drew huge, drew huge and catches I think did three different death matches that night against three very different opponents and it was it was a hell of a night he writes about it extensively in his book the first one his first book.

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[SPEAKER_00]: and I recommend anybody who's interested in that to go and read about the trials and tribulations of cactus jacket Japan because it is a pretty fascinating story of living on the fringes of Japanese pro wrestling and also being a part of New Japan.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, he toured with Vader at times, in addition to eating kombini food because he was getting tiny payouts for working

01:02:45.535 --> 01:02:55.679
[SPEAKER_01]: I haven't told you this, but I'm actually going to go see Mick Foley, you know, alive stand up in less than three weeks just down the street for my house.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, no, kidding.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So we, the gang and I, uh, Garrett, uh, Miguel Rubio, I think Dave Rubio, all those guys.

01:03:07.084 --> 01:03:10.425
[SPEAKER_01]: We, uh, we're all going with our significant other if we're bringing

01:03:13.326 --> 01:03:27.152
[SPEAKER_01]: we're all making it a thing on October 28th to go see Mick Foley do his stand up and maybe maybe I'll get balls going to have to see if you can do a comedic bit about Japanese death match you should be IWA.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Tell me fun.

01:03:28.773 --> 01:03:30.074
[SPEAKER_00]: How about that'll be a fun show to see.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so can I mention one more wrestling book thing before we move on early.

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[SPEAKER_00]: All right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I got this in the in the Amazon's today.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, Irresistible force the life and times of gorilla monster and it is written by Brian our Solomon to say man who wrote the blood and fire book about the original sheet at far out.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And he's a wrestling historian.

01:03:53.800 --> 01:03:56.502
[SPEAKER_00]: He is part of the wrestling news network.

01:03:56.522 --> 01:03:59.884
[SPEAKER_00]: A really good daily news podcast for pro wrestling.

01:03:59.924 --> 01:04:01.105
[SPEAKER_00]: He has his own podcast.

01:04:01.145 --> 01:04:06.590
[SPEAKER_00]: Also called Shut Up and Wrestle where he interviews people from all walks of the wrestling life.

01:04:06.630 --> 01:04:11.974
[SPEAKER_00]: As sometimes people that worked with him, he also wrote for WWE F magazine back in the day.

01:04:12.014 --> 01:04:13.896
[SPEAKER_00]: He's worked directly for Shane McMahon.

01:04:13.916 --> 01:04:17.799
[SPEAKER_00]: So he's worked for the WWE F. He's researched pro wrestling as a whole.

01:04:17.859 --> 01:04:18.880
[SPEAKER_00]: He's a really good historian.

01:04:19.120 --> 01:04:19.841
[SPEAKER_00]: And he's a good writer.

01:04:20.621 --> 01:04:34.996
[SPEAKER_00]: more than anything else he's he's a really good writer and a thorough researcher grill them on soon one of the more interesting guys and a lot of people don't know a lot about uh of course he was a lot of people think of him as the announcer for WWF WrestleMania and Madison Square Garden but

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[SPEAKER_00]: one of the biggest draws that ever wrestled Bruno Samartino for the WWWF title, one of Bruno's greatest challengers.

01:04:44.773 --> 01:04:49.959
[SPEAKER_00]: He had a hand in JWA, Japanese wrestling in the 60s.

01:04:52.572 --> 01:04:55.536
[SPEAKER_00]: owned a piece of the office, he owned part of the WWF.

01:04:55.576 --> 01:04:59.581
[SPEAKER_00]: When Vince McMahon, the current Vince, bought out the his father.

01:04:59.641 --> 01:05:03.046
[SPEAKER_00]: He also had buy out Gorilla, Gorilla owned a piece.

01:05:03.406 --> 01:05:06.170
[SPEAKER_00]: And before the current Vince sort of,

01:05:09.225 --> 01:05:16.490
[SPEAKER_00]: got himself into the foreground as an announcer and working for his father and showing some gumption to be a wrestling promoter.

01:05:18.171 --> 01:05:23.134
[SPEAKER_00]: The older Vince McMahon, they aren't junior and senior, but everybody calls him senior and junior.

01:05:24.335 --> 01:05:26.916
[SPEAKER_00]: Consider gorilla as an heir apparent for a while.

01:05:27.056 --> 01:05:29.838
[SPEAKER_00]: That maybe he was the guy that was going to take the company forward.

01:05:30.259 --> 01:05:36.883
[SPEAKER_00]: And then of course it's on, you know, the current Vince has sort of got into the business and showed that he wanted it.

01:05:37.403 --> 01:05:40.725
[SPEAKER_00]: And at that point, of course, he was going to, he was going to work with the sun.

01:05:40.785 --> 01:05:43.427
[SPEAKER_00]: That was, so it's not like there was a big competition.

01:05:43.467 --> 01:05:50.872
[SPEAKER_00]: But Gorilla was one of the guys, and then when the sun showed some gumption to become a wrestling promoter, that's when Vince started looking at Vince.

01:05:51.753 --> 01:05:53.234
[SPEAKER_00]: But Gorilla was there.

01:05:54.094 --> 01:06:00.859
[SPEAKER_00]: In case, say the current Vince McMahon had decided, you know, I would like to be a concert promoter, or I'd like to get into another line of business.

01:06:01.539 --> 01:06:04.781
[SPEAKER_00]: Gorilla Monson might have been the guy to take over the WWE app.

01:06:04.822 --> 01:06:06.703
[SPEAKER_00]: That's how highly he was thought of.

01:06:07.183 --> 01:06:07.803
[SPEAKER_00]: in the office.

01:06:08.124 --> 01:06:10.465
[SPEAKER_00]: So a lot of interesting stuff in there.

01:06:10.485 --> 01:06:11.386
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm looking forward to reading it.

01:06:11.646 --> 01:06:12.547
[SPEAKER_00]: Just wanted to plug back.

01:06:12.567 --> 01:06:13.267
[SPEAKER_01]: Did you get that book?

01:06:13.307 --> 01:06:13.907
[SPEAKER_01]: Did you show it?

01:06:14.468 --> 01:06:16.189
[SPEAKER_00]: Even the well, I pre-ordered it.

01:06:16.289 --> 01:06:19.211
[SPEAKER_00]: So when it came out last week, they shipped it to me.

01:06:20.031 --> 01:06:21.472
[SPEAKER_00]: So that's it there.

01:06:21.672 --> 01:06:22.313
[SPEAKER_00]: So thank you.

01:06:22.573 --> 01:06:23.534
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm curious about that book.

01:06:23.554 --> 01:06:25.575
[SPEAKER_01]: That one looks like what I want to crack into.

01:06:26.796 --> 01:06:32.277
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and I know a lot of people think of him as the guerrilla position, you know, the guerrilla position is named after him.

01:06:32.377 --> 01:06:47.960
[SPEAKER_00]: So when you see those interviews now on raw, where they're in that little room right in front of the curtain, you know, right right before they go through the curtain out to the crowd, sometimes they'll do an interview there, or you'll see up behind the scenes thing where triple H is watching on a monitor.

01:06:47.980 --> 01:06:49.280
[SPEAKER_00]: And that's the guerrilla position.

01:06:49.540 --> 01:06:50.640
[SPEAKER_00]: It's very elaborate now.

01:06:50.780 --> 01:06:54.881
[SPEAKER_00]: They travel with a portable room that's all wired up with monitors.

01:06:54.961 --> 01:06:55.201
[SPEAKER_00]: It sounds

01:06:55.301 --> 01:07:01.205
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, that's a truck that we drive and off it the round to the front.

01:07:01.926 --> 01:07:06.369
[SPEAKER_00]: And, of course, the people in their communicating with the referee and the ring, they're giving all these signals.

01:07:06.389 --> 01:07:07.890
[SPEAKER_00]: They're also talking to the announcers.

01:07:08.311 --> 01:07:09.492
[SPEAKER_00]: That's at the guerrilla position.

01:07:09.932 --> 01:07:18.979
[SPEAKER_00]: That is an elaboration of something the guerrilla did at a lot of the shows, especially at MSG or the spectrum or the major house shows, where

01:07:19.719 --> 01:07:30.582
[SPEAKER_00]: He would just stand right by the curtain and give out any last second instructions or reminders to the wrestlers as they went just before they went through that curtain down to the ring.

01:07:31.623 --> 01:07:45.787
[SPEAKER_00]: That was the guerrilla position just because he's the guy that was always there and he was the guy that always filled that role lock the locker room leader a guy that do that funny story real quick before we get into that the Bobby he knew told about guerrilla was.

01:07:46.547 --> 01:07:55.932
[SPEAKER_00]: Gorilla was at his position the gorilla position and the guys went over on time and you know he was He would tell people how long they're supposed to go.

01:07:55.952 --> 01:07:56.332
[SPEAKER_00]: All right.

01:07:56.352 --> 01:08:08.999
[SPEAKER_00]: We're you know remember we're doing this 15 minutes all that kind of stuff well the guys went over and kept going over and kept going no finish no finish and Gorilla was going to stick us head through the curtain maybe like go home

01:08:09.753 --> 01:08:12.555
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, go home being the term for rep the match.

01:08:12.776 --> 01:08:12.936
[SPEAKER_00]: Right.

01:08:13.757 --> 01:08:15.598
[SPEAKER_00]: And nothing, nothing, they ignored him.

01:08:15.698 --> 01:08:29.830
[SPEAKER_00]: So at one point, he got fed up with it and gorilla, monsoon, you know, the television announcer extraordinaire, everybody knows who he is, everybody in the crowd knows who he is, gorilla just walked down the aisle, walked up to the ranks, stuck his head under the bottom rope and screamed at the top of his lungs.

01:08:30.311 --> 01:08:31.452
[SPEAKER_00]: Go home!

01:08:32.508 --> 01:08:37.330
[SPEAKER_00]: And it's stuck out, walk out, and then the referee and the two wrestlers looked at each other and was up, we're all in big trouble.

01:08:37.670 --> 01:08:39.651
[SPEAKER_00]: And they finished the match in seconds.

01:08:39.671 --> 01:08:43.153
[SPEAKER_00]: I think the guy ran another guy into the corner, rolled them up, and pinned him real quick.

01:08:43.733 --> 01:08:50.016
[SPEAKER_00]: And I was like, where he just said, the heck with K-Fave, I'm just going to run down there and scream, go home at him if they're not going to listen to him.

01:08:52.597 --> 01:08:53.418
[SPEAKER_01]: Looking forward to the book.

01:08:55.307 --> 01:09:03.255
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and Maria mentions Bobby and Monsoon were great together behind the desk and just great friends too.

01:09:03.356 --> 01:09:06.459
[SPEAKER_00]: Bobby hean instead of one of his best friends in life, not just in wrestling.

01:09:06.539 --> 01:09:12.245
[SPEAKER_00]: So all around good dude too apparently is, and like no one, another one of those guys, there aren't very many of them.

01:09:12.505 --> 01:09:16.630
[SPEAKER_00]: Terry Fox one where nobody really has a bad thing to say about gorilla.

01:09:16.990 --> 01:09:17.791
[SPEAKER_00]: So that's awesome.

01:09:18.455 --> 01:09:32.864
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, anyway, just some of the times that like some of these old guys like after some time passes like you find out they weren't so great or you know skeleton of their closet just nice to know that you know people who are formative in this pro wrestling industry.

01:09:33.855 --> 01:09:34.675
[SPEAKER_01]: might have been okay.

01:09:35.396 --> 01:09:38.157
[SPEAKER_00]: I think it's asking isn't that the ref's job to know when the finish happens?

01:09:38.237 --> 01:09:38.757
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, it is.

01:09:39.057 --> 01:09:42.578
[SPEAKER_00]: And for some reason on this night and in that match, no one was paying attention.

01:09:43.259 --> 01:09:48.521
[SPEAKER_00]: And that was, though, that was why I was such an extraordinary thing for him to go down there and stick his head under the ring.

01:09:49.341 --> 01:09:56.884
[SPEAKER_00]: The referee usually has an idea of how long they're supposed to go and if time signals, yes, that's absolutely true.

01:09:57.564 --> 01:09:58.685
[SPEAKER_00]: Another funny thing about that.

01:09:59.656 --> 01:10:23.273
[SPEAKER_00]: uh... i remember hearing this story but there was a guy named uh... guy coffee in Memphis uh... mr. coffee and he got a ram the uh... souvenir table and did other odd jobs for the wrestling company but on television Memphis had a studio TV show so it was just in this little tiny television studio where some of the best wrestling angles of all time took place uh... with Jerry luller and you know dutch mantel the fabulous ones and all this stuff

01:10:24.752 --> 01:10:34.634
[SPEAKER_00]: and the signal to go home to finish up the match was when Mr. Coffee would just walk out from behind the curtain and lean against the back wall.

01:10:35.354 --> 01:10:39.795
[SPEAKER_00]: So if you saw a coffee there, you would know that it's time to wrap the match up.

01:10:40.255 --> 01:10:45.196
[SPEAKER_00]: And when I worked for a small company in Indianapolis, it was always the ring announcer would take his glasses off.

01:10:45.696 --> 01:10:47.697
[SPEAKER_00]: Like he was reading something.

01:10:48.197 --> 01:10:51.258
[SPEAKER_00]: If the guy took his glasses off, I mean, oh shit, we're late, we gotta go home.

01:10:52.938 --> 01:10:58.300
[SPEAKER_00]: But Mr. Coffee would walk out the fans who would go to the show regularly got smart to it.

01:10:58.801 --> 01:11:06.784
[SPEAKER_00]: And if something really exciting was going on and he would come out, they would start, you know, they would go like friendly jokingly like, oh, Mr. Coffee going back, let him wrestle.

01:11:06.844 --> 01:11:07.304
[SPEAKER_00]: Let him wrestle.

01:11:07.384 --> 01:11:08.845
[SPEAKER_00]: No, no, go away, Mr. Coffee.

01:11:08.865 --> 01:11:09.445
[SPEAKER_00]: Don't let him see it.

01:11:09.926 --> 01:11:10.866
[SPEAKER_00]: We want to keep going.

01:11:11.186 --> 01:11:14.528
[SPEAKER_00]: I think that's smart to the whole idea that if he came out, the match was going to end.

01:11:14.548 --> 01:11:15.228
[SPEAKER_00]: They figured it out.

01:11:16.849 --> 01:11:18.289
[SPEAKER_00]: So they were like, oh, go away, let him wrestle.

01:11:18.309 --> 01:11:18.710
[SPEAKER_00]: Let him go.

01:11:18.730 --> 01:11:19.470
[SPEAKER_00]: Mr. Coffee going.

01:11:20.188 --> 01:11:23.470
[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, all throughout all throughout the history.

01:11:24.330 --> 01:11:25.891
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, it's fun stuff.

01:11:26.091 --> 01:11:28.992
[SPEAKER_00]: Anyway, look at old school wrestling there.

01:11:29.312 --> 01:11:30.153
[SPEAKER_00]: Go ahead and pick that up.

01:11:30.173 --> 01:11:31.514
[SPEAKER_00]: Brian Solomon's books are fabulous.

01:11:31.534 --> 01:11:34.635
[SPEAKER_00]: And you should do on Tim Hornbaker's are very good to Brian's and even better writer.

01:11:35.135 --> 01:11:36.496
[SPEAKER_00]: And just as good a researcher, so.

01:11:37.416 --> 01:11:46.021
[SPEAKER_01]: Jonathan Snowden actually, um, I put some money down for his book on the history of Noah that he is that he is putting out right now.

01:11:46.161 --> 01:11:53.184
[SPEAKER_01]: So, uh, you can find that on Indiegogo, um, yeah, I don't remember the title of it.

01:11:53.244 --> 01:11:54.725
[SPEAKER_01]: He, he's selling it right now.

01:11:55.266 --> 01:12:00.148
[SPEAKER_01]: He's just trying to hit, he's trying to, he's trying to load, but you're going to buy a print or digital copy of it.

01:12:00.428 --> 01:12:03.090
[SPEAKER_01]: And, uh, my knowledge of Noah is such

01:12:06.612 --> 01:12:20.040
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, and that's the point that the reason I even bring this thing up, although he never worked for a new Japan or anything, but I just want to support this kind of books, this market, this and just the idea that

01:12:21.587 --> 01:12:29.132
[SPEAKER_00]: People can do the research, put together something, teach us things we didn't know before, this wrestling research, I wanna support that.

01:12:29.733 --> 01:12:38.139
[SPEAKER_00]: And the fact that Brian worked so hard to look at things, Jim Hornbaker's thing on Buddy Rogers taught us a lot of things about one of the biggest stars in wrestling that we didn't know.

01:12:39.499 --> 01:12:55.827
[SPEAKER_00]: And he did the research, and now we know a lot more about how he even got to the WWWF, what became the WWWF, and that had a seismic impact on the wrestling, because I won't get into the whole thing about Buddy Rush, but we didn't really know how he got to.

01:12:56.807 --> 01:13:00.150
[SPEAKER_00]: New York, like how the promoters in New York and Buddy Rogers hooked up.

01:13:00.210 --> 01:13:00.790
[SPEAKER_00]: Now we know.

01:13:01.371 --> 01:13:08.877
[SPEAKER_00]: And it turns out that Bobby Davis, the manager, it was far more influential in wrestling than we had realized before.

01:13:09.677 --> 01:13:13.040
[SPEAKER_00]: And these guys are going through all these things and learning all this stuff.

01:13:13.460 --> 01:13:17.023
[SPEAKER_00]: And I just want to promote stuff like what Jonathan Snowden is doing.

01:13:17.043 --> 01:13:24.789
[SPEAKER_00]: A lot of people don't know the history and know how bad he found some things that hadn't been known publicly before, or at least not put together in a

01:13:26.170 --> 01:13:29.952
[SPEAKER_00]: And that's the kind of stuff that we should support as someone who's a big wrestling history nut.

01:13:30.372 --> 01:13:37.054
[SPEAKER_00]: And I have a website where I try to look back at the past, wrestling and tie it together a little bit, ringside replay.

01:13:38.155 --> 01:13:47.659
[SPEAKER_00]: These books are very, very helpful and very fascinating and seeing how the business evolved because everything influences everything else is the bottom line.

01:13:47.859 --> 01:13:50.740
[SPEAKER_00]: And the more we know, the better off we all are as fans, I think.

01:13:51.982 --> 01:14:12.177
[SPEAKER_01]: the reality is, if you're creating content in any way shape or form, you should be educating yourself and reading book like this and making sure that information that you're bringing forth at someone who is presenting themselves is an authority on this kind of information is doing the work to actually back that up.

01:14:13.078 --> 01:14:14.779
[SPEAKER_00]: And let's support these guys efforts.

01:14:15.159 --> 01:14:18.622
[SPEAKER_00]: This is the fact that they put all this work into finding these things out and putting these

01:14:20.505 --> 01:14:25.929
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, let's buy the books, let's read them and let's support what they do and hopefully we'll get more of it.

01:14:26.630 --> 01:14:35.896
[SPEAKER_00]: And that's what we're looking for is the a lot of missing pieces in wrestling history because of how secreted the business was, the more we can learn, the better we can understand what's going on.

01:14:35.956 --> 01:14:36.737
[SPEAKER_00]: So there we go.

01:14:37.618 --> 01:14:38.058
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

01:14:38.118 --> 01:14:38.498
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

01:14:38.698 --> 01:14:42.061
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm looking at the name of that book before we move on, but I don't think I'm going to find it.

01:14:43.262 --> 01:14:48.846
[SPEAKER_00]: King of pro wrestling Jeremy, should we go ahead and review our preview this show that's coming up on Monday?

01:14:49.650 --> 01:14:53.033
[SPEAKER_01]: I suppose that that's probably a good plan for us.

01:14:53.773 --> 01:14:55.335
[SPEAKER_01]: All right, I like that for us, Stephen.

01:14:56.055 --> 01:15:00.759
[SPEAKER_00]: So let's take a look at the King of Pro Wrestling, 2020-25 lineup.

01:15:00.819 --> 01:15:03.081
[SPEAKER_00]: This will be taking place in Rio Gocco, Kukuhi Khan.

01:15:04.102 --> 01:15:07.064
[SPEAKER_00]: Sumo Hall is known here in America.

01:15:07.444 --> 01:15:10.267
[SPEAKER_00]: And we begin with a six-man tag.

01:15:10.307 --> 01:15:11.267
[SPEAKER_00]: Is that what you have there?

01:15:11.708 --> 01:15:12.388
[SPEAKER_00]: Yep, indeed.

01:15:12.448 --> 01:15:14.090
[SPEAKER_00]: We have the unaffiliated group.

01:15:15.249 --> 01:15:25.332
[SPEAKER_00]: And the first match against the war dogs again, and this one is Teton, who are almost like a Hashie and Shingo Takagi against David Finlay, Tayi Jishie, Moring and Clark Connors.

01:15:27.253 --> 01:15:29.814
[SPEAKER_00]: This one doesn't have a whole lot of canon behind it right now.

01:15:29.894 --> 01:15:33.775
[SPEAKER_00]: It's just three pretty good wrestlers facing three other pretty good wrestlers.

01:15:34.476 --> 01:15:37.156
[SPEAKER_00]: And it should just be a pretty good energy.

01:15:37.397 --> 01:15:40.177
[SPEAKER_00]: You give good energy to the beginning of the show here.

01:15:40.518 --> 01:15:41.158
[SPEAKER_00]: All these guys.

01:15:41.938 --> 01:15:45.899
[SPEAKER_00]: are some of the ones I discussed earlier who actually do put effort in.

01:15:45.919 --> 01:15:49.400
[SPEAKER_00]: I think there is no t-shirt, shingo, there's no t-shirt, finlay.

01:15:49.820 --> 01:15:51.640
[SPEAKER_00]: So I think this would be a nice start to the show.

01:15:54.101 --> 01:16:05.623
[SPEAKER_01]: Interrupting me that finley is here on the card, lower on it and the two wardogs that are with them are pretty much

01:16:06.486 --> 01:16:09.048
[SPEAKER_01]: the most loyal of the two that are with them.

01:16:09.609 --> 01:16:21.359
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm just curious to see if there's just going to be a match or if there's going to be something coming along with it in this match during the finish or at the re-hold to the finish.

01:16:22.420 --> 01:16:30.727
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, let's say if something comes out of it for sure, it's both shingo and finlay or kind of in no man's land when it comes to wrestling them in period.

01:16:31.007 --> 01:16:32.108
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, like they don't know.

01:16:32.148 --> 01:16:32.248
[SPEAKER_01]: I do.

01:16:33.243 --> 01:16:44.912
[SPEAKER_01]: The moving in the last show at the destruction has sent them both down the pecking or, you know, like I don't see any spot for a title match for either of them right now.

01:16:45.552 --> 01:16:55.700
[SPEAKER_00]: No, and I'm curious because King of Pro Wrestling should go a long way, not all the way, there'll be other stuff later, but a long way toward telling us what the cards are going to look like in January for it.

01:16:55.720 --> 01:16:57.502
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, because they need to start promoting it.

01:16:58.460 --> 01:17:12.166
[SPEAKER_01]: They need to hold a lot of ticket sight of scene, literally sight of scene of a card, but we should be coming out of this, this show with an idea of at least the top two or three matches.

01:17:13.267 --> 01:17:16.008
[SPEAKER_00]: And there's a lot of towns and guys in this match that have nothing right now.

01:17:16.128 --> 01:17:18.929
[SPEAKER_00]: So hopefully this will begin the road to something.

01:17:19.089 --> 01:17:19.930
[SPEAKER_00]: All right, next match.

01:17:21.290 --> 01:17:22.691
[SPEAKER_00]: Drillamoloney and Sonata.

01:17:27.897 --> 01:17:31.849
[SPEAKER_00]: We don't know if it's not is, but they've been doing this thing.

01:17:31.909 --> 01:17:34.276
[SPEAKER_00]: It's supposed to be a no-disqualification match now because

01:17:35.475 --> 01:17:45.622
[SPEAKER_00]: That's not has been pulling that Eddie Guerrero thing, like we mentioned earlier, where that he doesn't do very well, where he fakes a guitar shot and tosses the guitar to the other guy.

01:17:45.862 --> 01:17:56.029
[SPEAKER_00]: Or he's just walked out, a court can haul, he just left the match, sat down on the crowd and got countered out almost like a lot of defiance to drill a maloney that I'm just not going to fight you.

01:17:56.069 --> 01:18:00.312
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm just going to make you sit and wait, maloney wants a no-de-humage so that

01:18:01.533 --> 01:18:02.074
[SPEAKER_00]: He's sent out.

01:18:02.114 --> 01:18:03.355
[SPEAKER_00]: I can't just take a count out.

01:18:03.415 --> 01:18:05.156
[SPEAKER_00]: It's not a can't just fake a DQ.

01:18:05.536 --> 01:18:07.197
[SPEAKER_00]: No, you're just going to have to fight me.

01:18:07.237 --> 01:18:13.662
[SPEAKER_00]: That's the story they've been telling and a couple of times Maloney has been blasted with the guitar.

01:18:13.722 --> 01:18:18.626
[SPEAKER_00]: He's been bloodied up a couple of times feels like time for him to get his revenge sharing.

01:18:29.853 --> 01:18:30.614
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, fair enough.

01:18:30.754 --> 01:18:32.416
[SPEAKER_01]: It might all backfire on the road.

01:18:32.436 --> 01:18:38.965
[SPEAKER_01]: The huge robes and whoever else to come out that's not going to be in the in the main card.

01:18:41.486 --> 01:18:53.156
[SPEAKER_01]: I think that there is going to be some aspects of wardoms that are going to be very successful and they're in their outing tonight and there is going to be some wardog that you're going to think, whoa, what happened there?

01:18:54.016 --> 01:19:01.663
[SPEAKER_01]: And I mean, climb to think that drill a maloney may not get out of this with the win just because

01:19:03.228 --> 01:19:19.073
[SPEAKER_01]: He's the baby face now and you kind of have to put him in like an underneath position and just getting a win over Sonata right now kind of tells you exactly what they think of them going forward and that to me is most curious thing.

01:19:20.454 --> 01:19:24.475
[SPEAKER_00]: I will see how that one turns out if drill a wins the match then maybe they do have some plans for him down the road.

01:19:24.715 --> 01:19:30.417
[SPEAKER_01]: It's not it's going to be doing the stance of Sonata for a little while longer.

01:19:30.948 --> 01:19:31.168
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

01:19:31.408 --> 01:19:32.309
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

01:19:32.329 --> 01:19:32.669
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.

01:19:32.909 --> 01:19:35.931
[SPEAKER_00]: Coming up next, we will have the return of hero Oki Goto.

01:19:36.391 --> 01:19:38.432
[SPEAKER_00]: And I find the timing of this thing fascinating.

01:19:38.512 --> 01:19:39.833
[SPEAKER_00]: So we'll get to that later.

01:19:40.073 --> 01:19:52.380
[SPEAKER_00]: Hero Kigoto, Yoshi Hashis, I'll be shaman, teaming with yo to face Rio, heo, heo, heo, heo, heo, heo, heo, heo, heo, heo, heo, heo, heo, heo, heo, heo, heo, heo, heo, heo, heo, heo, heo, heo, heo, heo, heo, heo, heo, heo, heo, heo, heo, heo, heo, heo, heo, heo, heo, heo, heo, heo, heo, heo, heo, heo, heo, heo, heo, heo, heo, heo, heo

01:19:53.240 --> 01:19:54.800
[SPEAKER_00]: Welcome back finish for Godo.

01:19:55.160 --> 01:20:04.222
[SPEAKER_00]: I see him winning this thing probably with his either the GTR or the double team move with the Oshihashi, but I think this is designed to be a feel good.

01:20:04.282 --> 01:20:07.203
[SPEAKER_00]: Welcome back moment for our Samurai dad.

01:20:08.883 --> 01:20:09.823
[SPEAKER_01]: I agree.

01:20:10.563 --> 01:20:18.405
[SPEAKER_01]: Do you think that Godo is in any way shape or form positioned in the world title picture?

01:20:19.217 --> 01:20:20.218
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, I think he will be.

01:20:20.578 --> 01:20:21.839
[SPEAKER_00]: That's what we're going to get to later.

01:20:22.159 --> 01:20:24.960
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think he's long for underneath six man's.

01:20:25.581 --> 01:20:26.601
[SPEAKER_00]: We're going to talk about that later.

01:20:27.021 --> 01:20:27.902
[SPEAKER_00]: We're going to talk about that later.

01:20:28.522 --> 01:20:28.842
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.

01:20:28.902 --> 01:20:29.303
[SPEAKER_00]: You got it.

01:20:30.083 --> 01:20:30.303
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

01:20:30.403 --> 01:20:31.604
[SPEAKER_00]: I think they'd be insane not to.

01:20:31.704 --> 01:20:37.007
[SPEAKER_00]: After that TV title match, we have Hiroshi Tanahashi and L fan Tazmo.

01:20:37.047 --> 01:20:38.448
[SPEAKER_00]: This is for the television title.

01:20:38.968 --> 01:20:39.968
[SPEAKER_00]: They've been trading wins.

01:20:40.609 --> 01:20:45.932
[SPEAKER_00]: It's been portrayed a little bit as the thunder kiss 86 versus the high fly flow, the

01:20:48.973 --> 01:20:56.259
[SPEAKER_00]: and Jado almost seemed pleased to have taken a high-fly flow like he did a cork and haul and post-match comments.

01:20:56.319 --> 01:20:59.462
[SPEAKER_00]: He could barely contain his a smile on his face.

01:20:59.582 --> 01:21:00.242
[SPEAKER_00]: He talked about it.

01:21:00.883 --> 01:21:03.425
[SPEAKER_00]: This is somebody who's worked with Tana Hashie for a very long time.

01:21:04.226 --> 01:21:07.909
[SPEAKER_00]: And sometimes Elfantazmo wins, beats a young lion with a thunder kiss.

01:21:07.949 --> 01:21:10.271
[SPEAKER_00]: That's been the road to pattern.

01:21:11.939 --> 01:21:17.980
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't see a reason for Tana Hashie to take the television title here, so this might be one of the few jobs.

01:21:19.141 --> 01:21:31.984
[SPEAKER_00]: On the other hand, somebody has to face Tana Hashie at the Tokyo, don't want to be a phantasm mode, but as he's holding up a championship and celebrating a win and playing air guitar might be a good time for a video.

01:21:32.973 --> 01:21:43.138
[SPEAKER_00]: video of board challenge, perhaps Jeremy, I'm just talking about waiting for to happen, you know, like we're waiting for, we're waiting for the Tonahashi deal.

01:21:43.658 --> 01:21:51.922
[SPEAKER_01]: And if I had to guess, it's probably going to happen after a solid dynasty at this point because the rest of the dynasty.

01:21:51.982 --> 01:21:52.823
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, the one for AEW.

01:21:56.025 --> 01:22:13.315
[SPEAKER_01]: You think I think I think that whoever I'm going to be at this point, I think it's an AEW guy that come like a pop, you know, essentially, yeah, and they're going to get that match out of the way and then you've got a tag title match going on there because.

01:22:14.554 --> 01:22:19.256
[SPEAKER_01]: They have the Takeshita and they have the O'Connor feud going on.

01:22:19.296 --> 01:22:28.120
[SPEAKER_01]: Takeshita has his title thing, but you kind of need to separate those two, because people really want to see those two go at it, and it's not going to happen in the newspanoring.

01:22:28.580 --> 01:22:37.264
[SPEAKER_01]: But I do think that both of those guys are going to be on the Russell Kingdom card, just given the possibility of who taught a lot she's opponent is going to be.

01:22:44.176 --> 01:22:52.006
[SPEAKER_01]: I've been watching these like road to matches and the love that deep to have for each other is just undeniable.

01:22:53.612 --> 01:22:56.595
[SPEAKER_01]: They're enjoying their time with each other in the ring.

01:22:56.675 --> 01:23:02.319
[SPEAKER_01]: Tonahashi is getting wins on John O. going into the title match.

01:23:02.740 --> 01:23:09.625
[SPEAKER_01]: It seems to me like, yeah, like, Tonahashi is hell bent on putting ELP over and it goes match on the way out.

01:23:09.786 --> 01:23:12.968
[SPEAKER_01]: But like, they don't really want to rest with each other.

01:23:13.008 --> 01:23:16.731
[SPEAKER_01]: They want to rest with each other and like really enjoy just being in the ring.

01:23:16.771 --> 01:23:18.653
[SPEAKER_01]: With each other, they're doing the drumming

01:23:20.214 --> 01:23:33.463
[SPEAKER_01]: the air guitar and, you know, just, it's a feel good for you, and it's just one of those things that people are just kind of enjoying, and then it's checking off the bog before, you know, the ton of how she's saying.

01:23:34.263 --> 01:23:38.726
[SPEAKER_01]: And this is like, this is like the medicine for the house of torture crap to me.

01:23:39.066 --> 01:23:41.508
[SPEAKER_01]: It's like I'm watching this and I'm like, yeah, this is fine.

01:23:41.608 --> 01:23:48.973
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not taking either of it super seriously at this exact moment, because the states haven't been raised up to that point for me.

01:23:49.614 --> 01:23:55.775
[SPEAKER_01]: But for me this is this is a delightful feud that it's probably gonna wrap up, and I'll be like yeah, that was cute

01:23:57.770 --> 01:24:27.143
[SPEAKER_00]: uh... as far as sanada and uh... drill a maloney bench bank and has a comment on that he says no dq i can smell the interference i think we all can he also mentions that uh... so go to wins and shows up later it's kind of where i'm thinking here uh... well well well a little extrapolate upon that when we get to it but yeah uh... you know that's the thing where uh... a ton of how she i think could probably put over all fantastic right the question is it is this is final symbol hall match that seems pretty wild

01:24:27.961 --> 01:24:30.902
[SPEAKER_00]: Unless there's another event that's going to fall on which town I actually would appear.

01:24:30.962 --> 01:24:31.282
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.

01:24:31.862 --> 01:24:34.143
[SPEAKER_01]: I just probably find a zoom-a-hole match.

01:24:34.963 --> 01:24:35.984
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, there go a lot.

01:24:36.004 --> 01:24:37.224
[SPEAKER_01]: There go a lot of last matches.

01:24:37.244 --> 01:24:38.645
[SPEAKER_01]: You haven't heard a lot of places, man.

01:24:39.425 --> 01:24:40.885
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, but zoom-a-hole is a billion.

01:24:40.906 --> 01:24:41.986
[SPEAKER_00]: That just feels on.

01:24:42.466 --> 01:24:44.447
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, any on Arena is going to be a tough one.

01:24:44.747 --> 01:24:45.607
[SPEAKER_00]: And then this, yeah.

01:24:45.687 --> 01:24:47.148
[SPEAKER_01]: Tokyo Dome, the last come out.

01:24:47.168 --> 01:24:47.988
[SPEAKER_00]: We're going to pull a match.

01:24:48.028 --> 01:24:48.868
[SPEAKER_00]: You know what I mean?

01:24:48.908 --> 01:24:53.470
[SPEAKER_00]: But that one we know, but as these things come along, you're like, is this the last time he's going to be in this town,

01:24:57.300 --> 01:25:08.868
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, remember, remember, a year ago, where we were nearing the time we're talking off, she's like putting a stipulation for a rest of the kingdom match last year, like, if I lose, all retired year early.

01:25:08.888 --> 01:25:10.769
[SPEAKER_01]: And everyone, like, good hit, good up off.

01:25:10.789 --> 01:25:12.470
[SPEAKER_01]: We have it, like, no, no.

01:25:12.490 --> 01:25:13.391
[SPEAKER_01]: We're not gonna have it.

01:25:14.451 --> 01:25:18.054
[SPEAKER_00]: But power struggle is often in November, but that's usually in Osaka.

01:25:18.354 --> 01:25:20.375
[SPEAKER_00]: So this could be it for him and Simo.

01:25:20.475 --> 01:25:21.236
[SPEAKER_00]: All right, after that,

01:25:22.266 --> 01:25:27.148
[SPEAKER_00]: Uh, Bolton, Oleg and evil for the never open weight championship.

01:25:27.288 --> 01:25:35.872
[SPEAKER_00]: This one, Jeremy, I can see going either way, uh, the preview tags have really given much away, except that there have been consistent post match attacks from house torture.

01:25:35.912 --> 01:25:38.613
[SPEAKER_00]: Sometimes Bolton makes a comeback and gets the best of it.

01:25:38.653 --> 01:25:39.614
[SPEAKER_00]: Sometimes he doesn't.

01:25:40.474 --> 01:25:52.919
[SPEAKER_00]: You could put the belts on evil just to have something where I heal has something that we want a baby face to go get in the dome just to put it up as a prize so that we have a baby face we can cheer for to try to.

01:25:54.089 --> 01:26:03.963
[SPEAKER_00]: get the thing away from house a torture and all that stuff you could absolutely do that make it also put over Bolton and carry him over into the dome is the never open weight champion if they have an intriguing opponent for him.

01:26:05.065 --> 01:26:10.592
[SPEAKER_00]: It could go, this one honestly on 50, 50 on there are good scenarios in each direction.

01:26:11.703 --> 01:26:26.881
[SPEAKER_01]: I haven't really wavered for my thoughts from last weekend, which is that I think they've done everything they need to do with Bolton right now and there are other people that are up and coming like Aaron Wolfe that may kind of.

01:26:27.742 --> 01:26:36.066
[SPEAKER_01]: take the spot that he has for the in the immediate future, just kind of like that, stand out athletic, like powerhouse kind of thing.

01:26:36.226 --> 01:26:43.889
[SPEAKER_01]: So I'm inclined to think that he was winning this belt going in a wrestling kingdom, just it made a lot more fun to me.

01:26:44.449 --> 01:26:47.690
[SPEAKER_01]: I would love to see Bowden continue with the belt.

01:26:47.791 --> 01:26:48.471
[SPEAKER_01]: It would show that

01:26:49.431 --> 01:27:07.499
[SPEAKER_01]: Each fan to me is confident in taking a bold direction that isn't entirely predictable with one of the main stages of the promotion that everyone just kind of sees like they kind of go back to this guy for like the base of a new wrestling story to tell.

01:27:08.630 --> 01:27:10.371
[SPEAKER_01]: And that's not really what they do with Bow no Leg.

01:27:10.791 --> 01:27:14.213
[SPEAKER_01]: He's got more overcoming hogs kind of story.

01:27:14.293 --> 01:27:17.374
[SPEAKER_01]: So I'm really leaning towards evil.

01:27:17.674 --> 01:27:21.956
[SPEAKER_01]: I think we're just, we're setting the table for retro kingdom.

01:27:22.056 --> 01:27:27.779
[SPEAKER_01]: And to me, Bow no Leg is a single champion going in a retro kingdom doesn't feel like the strongest play.

01:27:29.560 --> 01:27:29.921
[SPEAKER_00]: Fair enough.

01:27:30.401 --> 01:27:32.565
[SPEAKER_00]: I think I think you may talk and talk me into that.

01:27:32.645 --> 01:27:40.559
[SPEAKER_00]: I could see scenarios where they don't do it, but I agree with you that that evil as champion going into kingdom against a baby face makes a lot of sense.

01:27:40.980 --> 01:27:41.781
[SPEAKER_00]: Just makes a lot of sense.

01:27:43.468 --> 01:27:43.828
[SPEAKER_00]: what's nice.

01:27:44.669 --> 01:27:45.049
[SPEAKER_00]: All right.

01:27:45.850 --> 01:27:51.814
[SPEAKER_00]: So I WGP tag team championship on the line showed to Umano and you yeah, we more are challenging the knockout brothers.

01:27:52.675 --> 01:27:59.680
[SPEAKER_00]: As we've mentioned, Adnozium has not been a successful title defense of this title anyway and almost a year.

01:28:01.221 --> 01:28:05.644
[SPEAKER_00]: The key to this, do they want to make the knockout brother special?

01:28:06.205 --> 01:28:07.005
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, here's the way you can do it.

01:28:07.186 --> 01:28:09.707
[SPEAKER_00]: You can have them have the first successful title defense in a year.

01:28:10.744 --> 01:28:11.444
[SPEAKER_00]: I advocate that.

01:28:11.524 --> 01:28:15.166
[SPEAKER_00]: I think it would be good for Shota and you, yeah.

01:28:16.667 --> 01:28:20.289
[SPEAKER_00]: I still feel like I'm maybe, and again, I'm trying to will this into existence.

01:28:20.309 --> 01:28:24.090
[SPEAKER_00]: So there's going to be some sort of turn and that there's going to be a grudge mash down the road with these two.

01:28:24.691 --> 01:28:31.194
[SPEAKER_00]: So you can put the title on them and put them into World Tag League and then have it all fall apart.

01:28:31.234 --> 01:28:36.516
[SPEAKER_00]: You could absolutely do that or you could have them lose here to the knockout brothers and maybe look at each other a little crossways.

01:28:36.837 --> 01:28:39.118
[SPEAKER_00]: It doesn't have the big thing doesn't have to happen here.

01:28:40.113 --> 01:28:51.160
[SPEAKER_00]: But if you're like seeds planted, you know, so if they win, they can go into World Tag League and say, oh yeah, we're this United Front, it's fantastic, look at us, we've got our belts.

01:28:51.921 --> 01:29:01.567
[SPEAKER_00]: If they lose this match, they'll still go into World Tag League, I think as a team, only maybe now they're kind of little suspicious of each other, just gotta really have my back, and I think so.

01:29:03.737 --> 01:29:10.959
[SPEAKER_00]: I think they want to push the knockout brothers and I hope they understand what a breath the fresh air the knockout brothers are.

01:29:11.440 --> 01:29:16.741
[SPEAKER_00]: I would advocate for them, retaining here and doing what no one's done in a year, making it look special.

01:29:17.241 --> 01:29:19.782
[SPEAKER_00]: And again, going into World Tagly is the champions.

01:29:19.942 --> 01:29:21.903
[SPEAKER_00]: I think that makes a lot of sense of works for these guys.

01:29:24.123 --> 01:29:30.628
[SPEAKER_01]: Stephen, I feel like I will have failed at communicating effectively.

01:29:31.209 --> 01:29:40.556
[SPEAKER_01]: If someone at this point does not believe that I am all in on the knockout brothers, and then I think that this match is getting a fucking rule.

01:29:41.116 --> 01:29:42.477
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I think it'd be really good too.

01:29:42.537 --> 01:29:45.720
[SPEAKER_00]: That's a fair point, by the way, that I just glossed over near absolutely right.

01:29:45.980 --> 01:29:49.203
[SPEAKER_00]: Bottom line is, after those two singles matches, there should be wonderful.

01:29:49.963 --> 01:29:50.844
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I just,

01:29:51.589 --> 01:30:02.616
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, even from destruction Kobe with that, is she entaichi match where they made a statement on the scene with two veterans that gave us good if they got.

01:30:03.056 --> 01:30:15.224
[SPEAKER_01]: And now you have essentially four of the young generation in the ring, third from the top, no old guys, no veterans, no nothing.

01:30:15.924 --> 01:30:20.647
[SPEAKER_01]: And this is probably the match I'm most looking forward to on this card.

01:30:21.657 --> 01:30:23.998
[SPEAKER_00]: everybody's under 30 here for a change.

01:30:25.378 --> 01:30:30.120
[SPEAKER_01]: This is the heralding of the next generation kind of match.

01:30:30.620 --> 01:30:35.322
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, like it's not just the Ray what it's like you haven't expanded this generation.

01:30:35.702 --> 01:30:39.984
[SPEAKER_01]: All of a sudden you have these two unknown attackers and it feels exciting.

01:30:40.404 --> 01:30:46.066
[SPEAKER_01]: It feels unknown and it feels like you don't know exactly where they're going to be positioned among these guys.

01:30:46.486 --> 01:30:48.047
[SPEAKER_01]: But every time I see you don't

01:30:52.359 --> 01:30:53.040
[SPEAKER_00]: Very interesting.

01:30:53.360 --> 01:31:00.826
[SPEAKER_00]: Brad says knockout brothers have to win here, and I'd have clean sweep the world tag league, and Maria is all in on this one as well.

01:31:01.226 --> 01:31:03.668
[SPEAKER_00]: I think a lot of us feel really good about the knockout brothers.

01:31:03.728 --> 01:31:06.110
[SPEAKER_00]: They Look terrific in their title win.

01:31:06.250 --> 01:31:07.892
[SPEAKER_00]: They were against ECE and Tahiti.

01:31:07.932 --> 01:31:11.454
[SPEAKER_00]: Those are two guys you can look really good with You can look really good with you.

01:31:11.494 --> 01:31:19.801
[SPEAKER_00]: You are a more show to home in O2 so I'm I'm with you Jeremy I am as excited about this match as Anything outside of the main event on this.

01:31:20.221 --> 01:31:21.202
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, one hundred

01:31:23.417 --> 01:31:32.884
[SPEAKER_00]: I know the one I am excited about, those Yoda sushi and Gabe Kid for the global title and this is another one that's going to go a long way toward telling us what they have in mind for the dome.

01:31:33.164 --> 01:31:47.515
[SPEAKER_00]: I think they will have Gabe Kid in a prominent position in the Tokyo dome because I think they do believe in Kid and I do think that they want to reward Kid especially his performance against Kenny Omega last year with a spot in the dome.

01:31:47.555 --> 01:31:50.097
[SPEAKER_00]: Doesn't have to be in a global title match, but it could be.

01:31:52.593 --> 01:31:56.134
[SPEAKER_00]: They've shown that they will go with part-time champions in the past.

01:31:57.154 --> 01:32:05.237
[SPEAKER_00]: For Yoda Suji, I can absolutely see him regaining this title, especially if they have him in mind for big things in the dome.

01:32:06.397 --> 01:32:09.358
[SPEAKER_00]: Walker and Chris have been planting seeds on the English language side.

01:32:09.378 --> 01:32:16.040
[SPEAKER_00]: From what I understand, there's a little bit more of this in the English side than there is on the Japanese side about Suji wanting to

01:32:17.248 --> 01:32:23.932
[SPEAKER_00]: Take the global title, partly that into a challenge for the world title, win both and defend them concurrently.

01:32:24.052 --> 01:32:30.376
[SPEAKER_00]: Not make them into one championship, but defend the global title one night, defend the world title the another night.

01:32:32.617 --> 01:32:39.762
[SPEAKER_00]: But that seems to be more of a Charleston and Walker thing than something that like Milano talks about with Harada, which I think is significant.

01:32:41.839 --> 01:32:59.427
[SPEAKER_00]: So, sushi absolutely could win this thing and then challenge for the world title at a very important spot, maybe even if the dome later, could absolutely happen, could also be a thing where Gabe kid turns him away and they have something in mind for Gabe, again, we don't know what the Tokyo dome card is of course.

01:33:00.833 --> 01:33:06.914
[SPEAKER_00]: They already have in mind what they want for these guys is just a matter of how prominent they wanna put Gabe Kid on that card.

01:33:07.615 --> 01:33:11.436
[SPEAKER_00]: After the performers against Kenny Omega, I feel like Kid is going to be in a big spot.

01:33:12.096 --> 01:33:17.857
[SPEAKER_00]: So I'm very curious to see who wins this thing because it's gonna have a big impact on rest looking.

01:33:19.197 --> 01:33:22.078
[SPEAKER_01]: Do you know what they're one on one match record is?

01:33:22.598 --> 01:33:22.978
[SPEAKER_01]: What's that?

01:33:23.899 --> 01:33:24.759
[SPEAKER_01]: It is 11, 11, and 11.

01:33:25.599 --> 01:33:29.500
[SPEAKER_01]: Ha ha ha ha ha, I'm on that.

01:33:30.772 --> 01:33:40.464
[SPEAKER_01]: They both have 11 wins against each other and then they have the double knockout from February and they're a part of me.

01:33:40.845 --> 01:33:45.811
[SPEAKER_01]: The kind of things this is the last time that they're going to face off for a very long time if I don't.

01:33:47.293 --> 01:33:51.736
[SPEAKER_01]: And for me, if that's the case, I have you able to switch you in.

01:33:53.438 --> 01:34:10.312
[SPEAKER_01]: I think Gabe, kid, can have a special single snatch with anyone at this point at restricting them and it'd be fine, but I think you able to switch you in need to be positioned if high up on the card with a belt for the object of what's going to happen going.

01:34:11.312 --> 01:34:12.533
[SPEAKER_00]: I think that's really smart.

01:34:12.853 --> 01:34:14.715
[SPEAKER_00]: And here's the point with Syrigie.

01:34:14.835 --> 01:34:16.516
[SPEAKER_00]: He kind of needs that belt, doesn't he?

01:34:16.556 --> 01:34:20.600
[SPEAKER_00]: He kind of needs a belt to do what they want to do with him if they do want to make him a main eventer.

01:34:22.213 --> 01:34:22.833
[SPEAKER_00]: I agree with you.

01:34:22.893 --> 01:34:27.716
[SPEAKER_00]: The kid is probably not going to be with New Japan a whole lot longer.

01:34:27.736 --> 01:34:30.237
[SPEAKER_00]: I think the AEW money will get them and I don't blame him.

01:34:30.457 --> 01:34:37.781
[SPEAKER_00]: Again, I don't blame wrestlers for getting as much money as they can get for putting their bodies and brains through what they put it through.

01:34:38.601 --> 01:34:43.984
[SPEAKER_00]: With that in mind, Gabe Kid is already proven that he can make a special singles match really special.

01:34:45.642 --> 01:34:47.003
[SPEAKER_00]: doesn't have to be a title match.

01:34:47.103 --> 01:35:00.315
[SPEAKER_00]: And especially if he is going to be doing more AEW and not as much New Japan going forward, take the title off of here, give it to Suji, let him move up the card toward the top.

01:35:01.215 --> 01:35:11.024
[SPEAKER_00]: Gabe can do the special singles match at the Tokyo dome, lose again, perhaps to somebody and move away and move out, you know, head off to the states and come back

01:35:14.310 --> 01:35:18.491
[SPEAKER_00]: As soon as you kind of need the title, Gabe needs a cause.

01:35:19.451 --> 01:35:22.552
[SPEAKER_00]: I'll have to go to wait and put it because I put it.

01:35:22.572 --> 01:35:24.892
[SPEAKER_01]: And it'll be a fine match.

01:35:25.433 --> 01:35:38.716
[SPEAKER_01]: They always have good matches with each other, but if you guys want to be considered main event, they need to wrestle out of their mind because they are, they right now they are not booked just a main event and they are not treated just a main event.

01:35:39.676 --> 01:35:39.976
[SPEAKER_00]: What is?

01:35:41.908 --> 01:35:42.848
[SPEAKER_00]: that it is right there.

01:35:43.229 --> 01:35:44.209
[SPEAKER_00]: Zach Saber Jr.

01:35:44.409 --> 01:35:48.091
[SPEAKER_00]: Kenosuke to Keshta for the IWGP World Heavyweight title.

01:35:50.071 --> 01:35:53.293
[SPEAKER_00]: I have another one where you have competing scenarios going on here.

01:35:53.913 --> 01:36:01.856
[SPEAKER_00]: You and I have talked a lot about to Keshta that we think New Japan believes he's the guy and wants to bring him in.

01:36:02.136 --> 01:36:02.937
[SPEAKER_00]: I have advocated

01:36:04.013 --> 01:36:08.875
[SPEAKER_00]: don't do that, don't make him the guy until he is your guy.

01:36:09.715 --> 01:36:12.736
[SPEAKER_00]: Part-time world heavyweight champion gives me the creeps a little bit.

01:36:12.996 --> 01:36:14.077
[SPEAKER_00]: I think that's a bad move.

01:36:15.958 --> 01:36:24.221
[SPEAKER_00]: So unless he is leaving AEW and coming over here full time after that, that is the time when you make to catch to the world heavyweight champion.

01:36:24.461 --> 01:36:29.703
[SPEAKER_00]: That being said, they don't necessarily learn from mistakes they've made in the past and they might do it here thinking, well,

01:36:31.111 --> 01:36:53.225
[SPEAKER_00]: last year's attendance was considered a bit of a disappointment was that now they already have 20,000 tickets sold so they might not be as worried about it you can make to catch to the world champion but you really run a risk there as a guy that is only partly with your company and partly with a you know you and partly with DDT although you know he hardly ever wrestles for DDT but it's a risk.

01:36:54.966 --> 01:36:56.668
[SPEAKER_00]: You can have Zach win this thing.

01:36:57.730 --> 01:37:08.704
[SPEAKER_00]: You saw the crowd turn a little bit on to Keshta after during and certainly at the G1 finals, where the idea of a part-time guy being the guy Earth the crowd.

01:37:09.225 --> 01:37:10.166
[SPEAKER_00]: They didn't like it so much.

01:37:10.386 --> 01:37:10.567
[SPEAKER_00]: Right.

01:37:11.821 --> 01:37:14.983
[SPEAKER_00]: You can put Zach over here and have kind of a happy moment.

01:37:15.323 --> 01:37:17.425
[SPEAKER_00]: And you can say, look, Sumo Hall's my building.

01:37:17.785 --> 01:37:20.547
[SPEAKER_00]: I beat night-o for the title here to Keshta.

01:37:20.907 --> 01:37:22.288
[SPEAKER_00]: I can best you in Sumo Hall.

01:37:22.328 --> 01:37:24.049
[SPEAKER_00]: This is my home court.

01:37:24.110 --> 01:37:25.190
[SPEAKER_00]: This is my home court.

01:37:26.051 --> 01:37:34.577
[SPEAKER_00]: You can do that, especially if and here's where I'm going from earlier, especially if Hero Oki-Goto comes out.

01:37:35.337 --> 01:37:37.259
[SPEAKER_00]: And says, you broke my army a little bastard.

01:37:38.395 --> 01:37:46.840
[SPEAKER_00]: I beat new for that title, you beat me for the title, rubber match, January 4th, Tokyo Dome, go to versus Sabre 3.

01:37:47.840 --> 01:37:52.203
[SPEAKER_00]: I think there's a story there coming off that fictitious broken arm when he went to shoot the movie.

01:37:53.023 --> 01:37:56.005
[SPEAKER_00]: Notice we never saw him with the cast, they never did anything, I any of that stuff.

01:37:57.946 --> 01:38:00.087
[SPEAKER_00]: So to me, you've got 20,000 tickets sold.

01:38:02.006 --> 01:38:03.466
[SPEAKER_00]: Goto is a sentimental favorite.

01:38:03.986 --> 01:38:09.508
[SPEAKER_00]: You can give Goto a main event here and it's Goto that draws the house and not Zack with Shota.

01:38:10.228 --> 01:38:11.788
[SPEAKER_00]: It's Goto with Zack.

01:38:12.248 --> 01:38:13.128
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, does that make sense?

01:38:13.168 --> 01:38:15.809
[SPEAKER_00]: Where Goto is the A side in Zack's to B side.

01:38:16.349 --> 01:38:19.070
[SPEAKER_00]: You don't have to put the world title in the hands of a part time.

01:38:20.110 --> 01:38:29.272
[SPEAKER_00]: So to me, you can have Zack win this match and turn away to catch this challenge, have to catch to come out and just say, and here's the story for Takeshi down the road.

01:38:30.526 --> 01:38:32.069
[SPEAKER_00]: I tried to do this part time, it didn't work.

01:38:33.151 --> 01:38:35.095
[SPEAKER_00]: I won the G1, fantastic, loved it.

01:38:36.037 --> 01:38:37.259
[SPEAKER_00]: But I couldn't win the world title.

01:38:39.025 --> 01:38:46.429
[SPEAKER_00]: Throughout all that, going through the G1, walking down the Isle King of Pro Wrestling, I realized this is where I want to be.

01:38:46.489 --> 01:38:48.150
[SPEAKER_00]: This is where my heart actually is.

01:38:48.590 --> 01:38:50.231
[SPEAKER_00]: And I want to be a New Japan wrestler.

01:38:50.752 --> 01:38:52.493
[SPEAKER_00]: And now I am a New Japan wrestler.

01:38:52.513 --> 01:38:55.054
[SPEAKER_00]: And all my focus is going to be on going after the world title.

01:38:55.094 --> 01:38:59.917
[SPEAKER_00]: Do that in 2026 or whenever you can with this AEW contract and you've got yourself

01:39:00.697 --> 01:39:07.781
[SPEAKER_00]: of full-time superstar in Tequesta, that can have the kind of matches that we miss from the Oca todays and things like that.

01:39:08.121 --> 01:39:09.582
[SPEAKER_00]: In the meantime, you've got Goro.

01:39:10.262 --> 01:39:11.023
[SPEAKER_00]: People love Goro.

01:39:12.651 --> 01:39:23.117
[SPEAKER_00]: go to having a moment on a night the ton of hashy retirees and maybe somebody else is putting to a prominent spot like a Yoda Suji and wins a big match and now there's some one of a future.

01:39:23.157 --> 01:39:26.779
[SPEAKER_00]: You've got the knockout brothers as fresh faces.

01:39:26.859 --> 01:39:29.240
[SPEAKER_00]: That's the kind of thing that can give you a little bit of momentum.

01:39:29.601 --> 01:39:32.422
[SPEAKER_00]: That's my that's my treesties on this match.

01:39:33.843 --> 01:39:36.985
[SPEAKER_00]: I can absolutely see them giving the title to Keat Takeshik as they love him.

01:39:37.974 --> 01:39:44.628
[SPEAKER_00]: And, by you said, the last year, Russell Kingdom wasn't considered all that successful as Zach, will they want to go back with him as champion?

01:39:45.089 --> 01:39:47.955
[SPEAKER_00]: I think you might if his challengers go to your thoughts.

01:39:49.521 --> 01:39:53.224
[SPEAKER_01]: It's that temperature you're retained this match go to the play.

01:39:54.725 --> 01:40:13.078
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not sure they're confident with Zach in any way shape or form in the main event, given what happened last year with him in two main events and the low drawing card, but it's a ton of hockey's already, you know, drawn a, drawn a house that pretty significantly matching what happened last year, maybe that's not even a factor.

01:40:13.821 --> 01:40:16.804
[SPEAKER_01]: With that said, I feel like this is Takeshina time.

01:40:16.824 --> 01:40:31.277
[SPEAKER_01]: I do not rule out the possibility of a double dash with Yoda Fuji and Takeshina wrestling each other and merging titles and doing that whole thing when they're take all on the underneath.

01:40:32.683 --> 01:40:41.849
[SPEAKER_01]: You can still have Yoda Fuji with a challenger, but I honestly don't know who that challenger would be if, you know, he ends up with that title.

01:40:41.949 --> 01:40:57.078
[SPEAKER_01]: They have not set up anybody in that position in any way, shape or form, because I'm thinly and gave kid and I do not want to do them to do that to get so these are all some considerations that that I have.

01:41:00.535 --> 01:41:01.135
[SPEAKER_01]: kind of where I'm at.

01:41:01.175 --> 01:41:06.977
[SPEAKER_01]: I just feel like we have done the Fdanck with Takeshita and Takeshita at Rethel Kingdom.

01:41:06.997 --> 01:41:23.342
[SPEAKER_01]: Takeshita being advocated for by TV executive, TV Rahi, it's just like they look at the dude and something special and the fact that they can't get him full time and they're still compromising to get as many shares as they can.

01:41:24.082 --> 01:41:29.164
[SPEAKER_01]: Just as to me it's like you can't sleep on the dude as much as we all think it's a terrible idea of how

01:41:30.990 --> 01:41:31.251
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.

01:41:31.651 --> 01:41:35.038
[SPEAKER_00]: Let's get some comments here before we wrap things up because we've got some good ones here.

01:41:35.058 --> 01:41:40.327
[SPEAKER_00]: Fernando Zio says Gabe Kid needs to win and that he wants Gabe Kid in AEW badly.

01:41:40.828 --> 01:41:41.329
[SPEAKER_01]: I do too.

01:41:41.469 --> 01:41:43.072
[SPEAKER_01]: I want him there more than I want him in Italy.

01:41:45.467 --> 01:41:50.915
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, all right, and Maria is on the other side says Maria grass, the other side says he should stay in New Japan.

01:41:51.976 --> 01:41:53.158
[SPEAKER_00]: I think he's an intriguing character.

01:41:53.178 --> 01:41:56.723
[SPEAKER_00]: I like him in New Japan more than being lost in the AEW shuffle.

01:41:57.565 --> 01:42:00.749
[SPEAKER_00]: And, you know, who knows what AEW future really is right there.

01:42:01.690 --> 01:42:04.531
[SPEAKER_00]: Brad says the more I think about this, I think Zach's favorite junior wins.

01:42:04.611 --> 01:42:07.552
[SPEAKER_00]: The preview tags have had Zach and Goto.

01:42:07.672 --> 01:42:12.233
[SPEAKER_00]: I think we're getting that rematch soon with Goto regaining the title to old before a kingdom.

01:42:12.553 --> 01:42:13.113
[SPEAKER_00]: That is bold.

01:42:13.753 --> 01:42:15.094
[SPEAKER_00]: So perhaps a power struggle thing.

01:42:15.354 --> 01:42:15.934
[SPEAKER_00]: Brad's thinking.

01:42:17.214 --> 01:42:19.895
[SPEAKER_00]: There is still that show that there is there is still another one here.

01:42:20.215 --> 01:42:27.137
[SPEAKER_00]: But I'm thinking that we're going to know at least some of the wrestling kingdom card coming out of this because they need to start advertising something.

01:42:27.917 --> 01:42:34.262
[SPEAKER_01]: I would be very careful about doing title matches with the IWGP title other than November.

01:42:34.722 --> 01:42:35.563
[SPEAKER_01]: You need to have that.

01:42:35.643 --> 01:42:37.144
[SPEAKER_01]: You need to have the matches at Stone.

01:42:37.684 --> 01:42:38.184
[SPEAKER_01]: You know what I mean?

01:42:38.204 --> 01:42:40.326
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, like, need to start promoting the card.

01:42:40.846 --> 01:42:45.129
[SPEAKER_01]: I would not do one title switch to another title switch.

01:42:49.612 --> 01:42:51.052
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's tricky, doesn't it?

01:42:51.132 --> 01:43:06.776
[SPEAKER_00]: It's it's the thing where you need to start promoting the card at least some of it You don't have to release the entire wrestling kingdom card after King of Pro Wrestling, but I feel like you need to start putting some things out there Puttin some things on the marquee Maria believes that the G1 winner should become world champion.

01:43:07.016 --> 01:43:11.357
[SPEAKER_00]: She just feels like that's that's how they should do it should be a through line for sure

01:43:12.406 --> 01:43:14.569
[SPEAKER_00]: The prescription is here with us.

01:43:14.589 --> 01:43:15.150
[SPEAKER_00]: Good to see you.

01:43:15.370 --> 01:43:17.954
[SPEAKER_00]: It says Zach is not main event talent.

01:43:17.994 --> 01:43:26.726
[SPEAKER_01]: He just feels that strongly that Zach doesn't have the juice is a drop that if that doctor or area, yes, you can do you can remember of the

01:43:27.779 --> 01:43:30.761
[SPEAKER_01]: You can new member of the Discord.

01:43:31.482 --> 01:43:33.604
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, he is joined up here.

01:43:33.824 --> 01:43:34.424
[SPEAKER_01]: Hello, sir.

01:43:34.585 --> 01:43:34.985
[SPEAKER_01]: Thank you.

01:43:35.325 --> 01:43:35.826
[SPEAKER_00]: Thank you for the time.

01:43:35.846 --> 01:43:36.646
[SPEAKER_01]: I've worked by the way.

01:43:37.107 --> 01:43:39.349
[SPEAKER_00]: He says to Keshta versus Godo is a bigger match.

01:43:39.389 --> 01:43:40.029
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, that's a thought.

01:43:40.089 --> 01:43:41.751
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, Godo doesn't have to just challenge Zack.

01:43:41.791 --> 01:43:42.871
[SPEAKER_00]: He could challenge to Keshta.

01:43:42.931 --> 01:43:43.372
[SPEAKER_00]: Absolutely.

01:43:43.912 --> 01:43:48.476
[SPEAKER_00]: And he also mentions that Zack is not paned out as I WGP champion, putting the belt on to Keshta.

01:43:48.736 --> 01:43:50.097
[SPEAKER_00]: At least puts it in the hands of a ray.

01:43:50.197 --> 01:43:51.398
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, guy, that's fair point.

01:43:51.799 --> 01:43:55.482
[SPEAKER_00]: So let's look at it from that and say to Keshta wins this thing.

01:43:57.118 --> 01:43:59.099
[SPEAKER_00]: You know what, you, that might work.

01:43:59.439 --> 01:44:00.919
[SPEAKER_00]: And the more I'm thinking about that, the more I want.

01:44:01.219 --> 01:44:08.281
[SPEAKER_00]: So I think Zach and Godo three has Jews to it, just because they did the broken arm thing for a reason, right?

01:44:08.321 --> 01:44:10.022
[SPEAKER_00]: He's got to come back and go after a revenge.

01:44:10.082 --> 01:44:12.622
[SPEAKER_00]: Otherwise, he would have just lost and gone off to do the movie.

01:44:13.263 --> 01:44:14.163
[SPEAKER_00]: And they would have announced that.

01:44:14.363 --> 01:44:15.943
[SPEAKER_00]: But instead, they made an injury thing.

01:44:15.983 --> 01:44:17.504
[SPEAKER_00]: It's because they want to go back to it.

01:44:17.724 --> 01:44:18.504
[SPEAKER_00]: And get revenge.

01:44:18.584 --> 01:44:22.385
[SPEAKER_00]: If you, but if, say that, I'll be quick, I promise.

01:44:23.045 --> 01:44:25.166
[SPEAKER_00]: If to catch the wins this thing,

01:44:25.986 --> 01:44:36.155
[SPEAKER_00]: Now you have the, uh, there's a part timer as World Champion, and Godo can challenge him and say, I will be the representative for New Japan, I'll bring it home.

01:44:36.575 --> 01:44:37.336
[SPEAKER_00]: That's a story.

01:44:37.816 --> 01:44:38.597
[SPEAKER_00]: That's a good story.

01:44:38.857 --> 01:44:39.258
[SPEAKER_00]: There you go.

01:44:39.318 --> 01:44:43.421
[SPEAKER_01]: I think I think Godo and that made a position with either guy is viable.

01:44:43.682 --> 01:44:44.242
[SPEAKER_01]: It all honesty.

01:44:44.743 --> 01:44:50.828
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's, it's, it's probably wondering if the boom is a good idea in, in the circumstances of the community in my mind too.

01:44:51.350 --> 01:44:57.164
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, yeah, I don't know, and also a good thing because with the idea of watching him as the next guy, right.

01:44:57.184 --> 01:44:58.447
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, that's that's the whole thing is

01:44:59.782 --> 01:45:02.284
[SPEAKER_00]: they really need to move toward the future here.

01:45:02.524 --> 01:45:09.029
[SPEAKER_00]: And Tana Hashie exiting the stage as a new hero emerges is a pretty sharp move, I think.

01:45:09.489 --> 01:45:12.872
[SPEAKER_00]: And Prisharchen also wanna say, a nice compliment, and thank you.

01:45:12.912 --> 01:45:14.253
[SPEAKER_00]: He says you guys do such good work.

01:45:14.273 --> 01:45:14.733
[SPEAKER_00]: Appreciate you.

01:45:14.753 --> 01:45:15.694
[SPEAKER_00]: I really appreciate that.

01:45:15.774 --> 01:45:17.715
[SPEAKER_00]: Any matches go to is the returning hero.

01:45:18.516 --> 01:45:21.418
[SPEAKER_00]: That's a classic story, and it might work really beautifully.

01:45:21.598 --> 01:45:25.601
[SPEAKER_00]: And he says the idea of another double gold dash is sort of stagnant.

01:45:26.042 --> 01:45:26.902
[SPEAKER_00]: I agree with you on that.

01:45:29.775 --> 01:45:41.011
[SPEAKER_00]: has a purpose, that the intercontinental title had when it was Shinsuke Nakamura, like it was a legitimate title that can main event shows, and

01:45:42.110 --> 01:45:44.772
[SPEAKER_00]: It has a different spirit to it than the World Heavyweight title.

01:45:45.032 --> 01:45:48.374
[SPEAKER_00]: The never-open weight title is there as the BMF title.

01:45:48.794 --> 01:45:50.455
[SPEAKER_00]: I think they serve different functions.

01:45:51.135 --> 01:45:53.336
[SPEAKER_00]: And I think it's healthy to have those.

01:45:53.657 --> 01:45:58.519
[SPEAKER_00]: And I agree with you, the another double goal- dash is not the way to go.

01:45:59.060 --> 01:45:59.660
[SPEAKER_00]: I wouldn't do it.

01:45:59.720 --> 01:46:02.121
[SPEAKER_00]: I would have a global champion and a world champion.

01:46:02.962 --> 01:46:06.984
[SPEAKER_00]: I think it's helped both thinly and suit you to hold that global championship.

01:46:08.785 --> 01:46:15.750
[SPEAKER_00]: There's value in having a high up on the card underneath title to get you used to seeing somebody with a belt.

01:46:16.847 --> 01:46:18.907
[SPEAKER_00]: defending about being a real champion.

01:46:18.967 --> 01:46:26.729
[SPEAKER_00]: No, look what a different Randy Savage in the WWE, you know, and I know, I'm laughing because my K-9 of our clock is going on for a whole, okay, pardon me.

01:46:27.089 --> 01:46:27.429
[SPEAKER_00]: That's true.

01:46:27.449 --> 01:46:29.510
[SPEAKER_00]: We've gone a little bit over here, Doug is getting on our case.

01:46:29.850 --> 01:46:38.991
[SPEAKER_00]: No, but there's value in underneath titles being taken care of because they can get the audience used to the idea of being a champion.

01:46:39.011 --> 01:46:42.452
[SPEAKER_00]: So when they move up to the world title, it's not some, well, he doesn't deserve this.

01:46:42.512 --> 01:46:43.992
[SPEAKER_00]: You've seen him as a champion before.

01:46:47.673 --> 01:46:48.374
[SPEAKER_00]: There's value on that.

01:46:48.454 --> 01:46:51.295
[SPEAKER_00]: So I would like to keep them both as well.

01:46:51.716 --> 01:46:54.777
[SPEAKER_00]: And I think the never open way title does something different than that.

01:46:54.997 --> 01:46:55.137
[SPEAKER_00]: So.

01:46:56.818 --> 01:46:57.158
[SPEAKER_00]: All right.

01:46:57.198 --> 01:46:59.499
[SPEAKER_00]: So I think we have we've gone over a little bit today.

01:46:59.640 --> 01:47:02.221
[SPEAKER_00]: The last thing I'm going to mention, I will only spend about a minute.

01:47:03.810 --> 01:47:09.295
[SPEAKER_00]: Today is the 30th anniversary of one of the most significant matches in the company's history.

01:47:09.415 --> 01:47:18.002
[SPEAKER_00]: So, 30 year anniversary of the UWFI NJPW all out war card, and this was a show that was at the Tokyo

01:47:23.627 --> 01:47:34.370
[SPEAKER_00]: that's probably a little optimistic, but it was an enormous crowd and that was before they blocked off all the outfield seats with that giant set, you know, they actually had people in those in those seats.

01:47:35.310 --> 01:47:44.873
[SPEAKER_00]: And the dome was very, very full that day because it was the UW-FIs, no he could to kind of taking on KG Muto in the main event.

01:47:45.673 --> 01:47:49.034
[SPEAKER_00]: And this whole card was the UW-FI,

01:47:51.095 --> 01:47:58.777
[SPEAKER_00]: that branched off from pro wrestling and was presenting a shoot style before anybody really knew what MMA really look like.

01:47:59.777 --> 01:48:02.398
[SPEAKER_00]: This is the very, very early days of UFC.

01:48:02.598 --> 01:48:05.158
[SPEAKER_00]: It hadn't developed into its own fighting style yet.

01:48:05.518 --> 01:48:12.060
[SPEAKER_00]: UFC was still taking a karate guy and putting him against a sumo wrestler and a boxer and putting him in with a judo guy.

01:48:13.380 --> 01:48:16.261
[SPEAKER_00]: It hadn't blended into that style of striking and

01:48:21.452 --> 01:48:31.298
[SPEAKER_00]: presenting a worked version of pro wrestling that was supposed to be real, and so you had things like rings, which was a care in my head.

01:48:31.838 --> 01:48:34.340
[SPEAKER_00]: Menores Suzuki was part of a group that formed Pan-Phrase.

01:48:35.607 --> 01:48:38.490
[SPEAKER_00]: They presented matches with very strict adherence to the rules.

01:48:38.570 --> 01:48:39.411
[SPEAKER_00]: Guys didn't cheat.

01:48:39.451 --> 01:48:40.392
[SPEAKER_00]: They weren't allowed to cheat.

01:48:40.412 --> 01:48:46.958
[SPEAKER_00]: The referee was enforcing rules the same way they do in martial arts tournaments and in boxing matches.

01:48:47.318 --> 01:48:49.461
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, there weren't heels cheating.

01:48:49.941 --> 01:48:53.885
[SPEAKER_00]: And basically it was just fighting and working very, very stiff.

01:48:54.465 --> 01:48:56.027
[SPEAKER_00]: And these companies were making inroads.

01:48:57.435 --> 01:49:09.232
[SPEAKER_00]: There was a UWF New Japan feud in the 80s, the Drew bonkers, and then here in the 90s, they came together again, and this was UWF I against New Japan, and it did a few things.

01:49:10.308 --> 01:49:13.209
[SPEAKER_00]: First of all, it got incredible heat.

01:49:13.669 --> 01:49:14.849
[SPEAKER_00]: Absolutely incredible heat for this.

01:49:14.869 --> 01:49:20.691
[SPEAKER_00]: Go back and find it some of the stuff Dakota versus Muto is on in JPW world of the search for.

01:49:20.711 --> 01:49:31.694
[SPEAKER_00]: It led to other major matches for them with Dakota as the antagonist where no he could Dakota would come in as a special attraction and wrestle one of the top guys in New Japan.

01:49:31.734 --> 01:49:39.196
[SPEAKER_00]: Here's the UWF guy that is coming in and the matches looked a little different, a little more shoot-E, so to speak.

01:49:39.916 --> 01:49:55.295
[SPEAKER_00]: And the other thing it did besides drawing monster houses and having incredible heat was it got over the figure four leg lock in a way that it hadn't been in 20 years because Muto used it to beat Dakota in the main event.

01:49:56.877 --> 01:50:00.099
[SPEAKER_00]: And once he did, that move was over like crazy.

01:50:00.159 --> 01:50:05.182
[SPEAKER_00]: Whenever Moto used it, whenever anybody else used it, okay, it really got that move over.

01:50:05.242 --> 01:50:15.307
[SPEAKER_00]: But there was an excitement to this Jeremy that the issue with groups like pancreas and rings and UWFI, you work these matches really, really stuff.

01:50:15.847 --> 01:50:19.469
[SPEAKER_00]: You tried to make it so that it wasn't see through, that it wasn't a shoot.

01:50:20.650 --> 01:50:24.412
[SPEAKER_00]: And so, you didn't see like running the ropes or any of that stuff.

01:50:25.502 --> 01:50:27.742
[SPEAKER_00]: uh, you can't work those matches all that often.

01:50:28.823 --> 01:50:29.423
[SPEAKER_00]: You just can't.

01:50:29.563 --> 01:50:30.823
[SPEAKER_00]: There are two physically taxing.

01:50:30.843 --> 01:50:32.003
[SPEAKER_00]: There's a reason that MMA.

01:50:32.143 --> 01:50:34.604
[SPEAKER_00]: You only fight a few times a year, right?

01:50:35.924 --> 01:50:37.344
[SPEAKER_00]: That means they couldn't do that many shows.

01:50:38.125 --> 01:50:41.985
[SPEAKER_00]: And it was hard to pay these guys to be full-time roster members.

01:50:42.185 --> 01:50:45.566
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, they would take care of the top guys, but it was a challenge.

01:50:45.586 --> 01:50:48.587
[SPEAKER_00]: And of course, there was the inevitable injuries that would happen under this style.

01:50:48.607 --> 01:50:49.807
[SPEAKER_00]: So these companies would come and

01:50:54.608 --> 01:51:01.472
[SPEAKER_00]: But they eventually would kind of flame out once you had, they had done all their major matches of the roster.

01:51:01.492 --> 01:51:03.893
[SPEAKER_00]: There really wasn't anywhere to particularly go.

01:51:03.953 --> 01:51:06.555
[SPEAKER_00]: It was hard for them to not everybody wanted to work that style.

01:51:07.215 --> 01:51:10.437
[SPEAKER_00]: And then when they did, they couldn't work that style very often.

01:51:10.877 --> 01:51:15.040
[SPEAKER_00]: So without that income, they got hard to pay guys to continue to be members of the roster.

01:51:15.060 --> 01:51:15.900
[SPEAKER_00]: Does that make any sense?

01:51:16.340 --> 01:51:19.202
[SPEAKER_00]: At least New Japan could run full tours and pay everybody every week.

01:51:21.318 --> 01:51:24.640
[SPEAKER_00]: didn't really work out for the other companies like that long term.

01:51:25.361 --> 01:51:27.563
[SPEAKER_00]: But of course, MMA was taking hold.

01:51:28.143 --> 01:51:33.327
[SPEAKER_00]: And we would see that really come in with anokism almost killed in New Japan in the early 2000s.

01:51:33.347 --> 01:51:34.167
[SPEAKER_00]: But in 1995, 30 years ago today,

01:51:38.610 --> 01:51:40.092
[SPEAKER_00]: this was one of the biggest things in wrestling.

01:51:40.192 --> 01:51:54.385
[SPEAKER_00]: I was in college at the time and I was logging on to the use net pro wrestling groups back in the day of the early days of the internet so that I could find out who the hell won this match between Dakota and Kenji Muto.

01:51:54.665 --> 01:51:55.025
[SPEAKER_00]: I will say

01:51:58.468 --> 01:52:23.304
[SPEAKER_00]: As I certainly was in observer readers, this was one of the biggest events of the year, and something that was a key part of one of the hottest periods of New Japan, which is that mid-90s run when both New Japan and All-Japan were utterly on fire, packing out the dome, packing out Budakon Hall and All-Japan's case, Sumo Hall and New Japan's case, show after show after show with rabid loud crowds,

01:52:23.904 --> 01:52:47.589
[SPEAKER_00]: Go back and find the stuff, some of it's on YouTube, especially the algebra pan stuff, some of the stuff on NJPW world from this era, prescription mention, Hashimoto and Tecata Goodlord, those two had an incredible one at a show that was when they were running the Tokyo dome and selling it out more than once a year, like three times a year, they could run the dome, battle formation,

01:52:52.210 --> 01:52:55.111
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and he mentioned that it was hard hitting, but you didn't take a lot of bumps.

01:52:55.251 --> 01:53:02.414
[SPEAKER_00]: It's it's similar to what yeah similar to what Suzuki does to this day and and Suzuki was part of the pancreas group and one of the stars of pancreas.

01:53:02.814 --> 01:53:06.696
[SPEAKER_00]: So it's Ken Shamrock back in the day he was part of pancreas.

01:53:06.756 --> 01:53:07.816
[SPEAKER_00]: He was the king of pancreas.

01:53:07.836 --> 01:53:09.297
[SPEAKER_00]: That was their title anyway.

01:53:10.881 --> 01:53:18.248
[SPEAKER_00]: It was the last thing people truly believed about professional wrestling Jeremy is that there was heat between the different promotions.

01:53:19.029 --> 01:53:20.450
[SPEAKER_00]: Because it was, you know, right?

01:53:20.471 --> 01:53:23.393
[SPEAKER_00]: So whenever two promotions work together, back then,

01:53:24.499 --> 01:53:41.074
[SPEAKER_00]: There was an air of danger to it, you know, was one of them going to take advantage of somebody else was someone going to pull a fast one on somebody, hardly ever did, but there were things like, you know, smoking mountain versus US WA and a small level in the United States and you could do things like that.

01:53:41.334 --> 01:53:47.700
[SPEAKER_00]: And the last thing wrestling fans truly believed about pro wrestling was that the promotion say to each other.

01:53:48.260 --> 01:53:50.802
[SPEAKER_00]: So when they would find a way to come together in a course.

01:53:51.703 --> 01:53:56.967
[SPEAKER_00]: UWFI got some wins and New Japan got some wins on the undercards, so it always came down to the main event, right?

01:53:57.007 --> 01:53:58.048
[SPEAKER_00]: Who's going to come out on top?

01:53:59.369 --> 01:54:05.574
[SPEAKER_00]: There was a real error of danger and excitement about this show, and it was one of the most anticipated events New Japan did to that era.

01:54:06.154 --> 01:54:09.036
[SPEAKER_00]: 30 years ago today to count on and Muto.

01:54:09.116 --> 01:54:15.001
[SPEAKER_00]: And what can I say as I remember 20 year olds even getting up in the morning to try to find out who won this match.

01:54:15.101 --> 01:54:17.363
[SPEAKER_00]: And from going on my dial-up,

01:54:18.143 --> 01:54:19.805
[SPEAKER_00]: and waiting patiently for it to hook in.

01:54:20.125 --> 01:54:33.016
[SPEAKER_00]: So I could get on the use in that group and find a post that usually came from a Japanese student at the University of North Texas who had post, I still remember everybody, Tabe, who had post all the Japanese wrestling results.

01:54:33.636 --> 01:54:35.118
[SPEAKER_00]: And what can I say?

01:54:35.198 --> 01:54:40.302
[SPEAKER_00]: Me and my friends, the observer readers, we're all talking about it, and like, oh, Muto 1, Muto 1, with a figure 4.

01:54:40.382 --> 01:54:41.103
[SPEAKER_00]: With the

01:54:41.223 --> 01:54:44.727
[SPEAKER_00]: a figure for a move that was dead in Japan before that is a big deal.

01:54:45.248 --> 01:54:46.129
[SPEAKER_00]: Go back and watch the match.

01:54:46.169 --> 01:54:54.799
[SPEAKER_00]: If you want, if you want to see 60,000 people read hot heat and who doesn't want to see that, watch some of those dome matches from this time with Dakota against New Japan stars.

01:54:55.440 --> 01:54:56.200
[SPEAKER_00]: It's quite the rush.

01:54:57.265 --> 01:55:08.713
[SPEAKER_01]: We got to wrap this up, but I will add, I am familiar with the use net, and I will say frequent use or a recart, comic, and books, which were all the end spent comments.

01:55:09.233 --> 01:55:21.401
[SPEAKER_01]: And there were, there were people that were keeper of the flame, and all that, and had the use of that link, so where you could go to find it's like a pedic knowledge about all these things.

01:55:26.857 --> 01:55:28.098
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, you know what you're right.

01:55:28.138 --> 01:55:41.105
[SPEAKER_00]: It was like it was it was what the internet should have been all along right there in Calon mentions by the way, if you want to watch Marty Gold's grand destiny show it's 4,000 yen About 20 pounds for him about 25 dollars US ish in that range very affordable.

01:55:41.145 --> 01:55:47.428
[SPEAKER_00]: That's Marty Gold's show It's coming up later in the month and of course no a show about 15 dollars US on a beam.

01:55:47.648 --> 01:55:54.732
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, it should be worth that for sure And then king of pro wrestling on Monday as wonderful weekend for pro wrestling if you're a fan of this stuff

01:55:55.132 --> 01:55:56.513
[SPEAKER_01]: Stephen, I'm putting up the clothing credit.

01:55:57.134 --> 01:55:57.494
[SPEAKER_00]: All right.

01:55:57.554 --> 01:55:57.774
[SPEAKER_00]: All right.

01:55:57.814 --> 01:55:58.195
[SPEAKER_00]: We got to go.

01:55:58.795 --> 01:55:59.055
[SPEAKER_00]: All right.

01:55:59.195 --> 01:56:00.997
[SPEAKER_00]: Thank you everybody who's joined us here alive.

01:56:01.037 --> 01:56:02.518
[SPEAKER_00]: Thanks for everybody who listens to us later.

01:56:02.558 --> 01:56:04.820
[SPEAKER_00]: It was a super-sized edition, but there was a lot to talk about.

01:56:05.380 --> 01:56:13.146
[SPEAKER_00]: And we will be back next week to go over this card, step by step, and look forward to what is coming in the near future.

01:56:13.166 --> 01:56:14.988
[SPEAKER_00]: So for Jeremy Finestone, I'm Stephen Conway.

01:56:15.028 --> 01:56:18.331
[SPEAKER_00]: This has been Speaking of Strong Style, and we'll talk to all of you again