NJPW Fantasticamania, New Beginning USA & Tadao Yasuda | Speaking of Strong Style

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[SPEAKER_00]: We saw the first show from Yooyogi and had a decent attendance and some interesting matches on that, we'll talk about those.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We're going to preview the week ahead more fantastic.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And talk about a little more.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The death of Tidal Yasa, the former IWGP heavyweight champion.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So we'll go over all of that today with Jeremy Feinstein.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm Stephen Conway.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Welcome everyone to Speaking of Strong Style.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We discussed the news issues in events surrounding New Japan Pro Wrestling.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And

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[SPEAKER_00]: Fantastic.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Many under way with a show yesterday.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Jeremy did you get a chance to see it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I did.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But most of my week has been taken up with the winter Olympics.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm an Olympic nut.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So when this stuff happens, I just kind of sit down and and just watch all these events that I don't see the rest of the quadraniel.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I've been enjoying some strange winter Olympic sports and and having fun with that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But I did catch a fantastic.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Uh, you know, honestly, I don't know if you understand this metaphor or not, but my week has just been a little bit off.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, I can't quite put my finger on it and click every photo in my house, you know, like, just tilted a little off, that click a metaphor for how my week just kind of feel.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, yeah, we all have the one of those week, we're just kind of like,

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[SPEAKER_01]: They're like, they're fine, but you just kind of feel like they're just awesome.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That was this kind of the week I had.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I haven't been paying attention a little bit to the, to the, to the virtual event.

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[SPEAKER_01]: If you are up to date, there was a big gold medal win just a few minutes ago that people are pretty happy about.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't, I don't know, spoiler with the Olympics.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't really know if like five time talking about, you know, figure skating and all that stuff and it's like a big deal, but, you know, I do that last minute of like social media scan right before the show, make sure I'm caught up on everything and I see that and then I also saw a dog, now I've schooled a wolf dog.

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[SPEAKER_01]: photo finish and in the cross country race I believe that that's that kind of content I'm here for Steven and all of these.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, here you have a nice voice you know I'm here for a novel The Wolf Dog.

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[SPEAKER_00]: there's some big events in the winner Olympics today and if you are the type that want to watch it on an NBC and peacock tonight in prime time then we won't spoil them for you but there was a very exciting gold medal hockey game today that the of course women's figure skating is always one of the biggest events of the of the winner Olympics and so we will spoil those for you but there's good stuff today it's going to be worth a watch

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, I did watch fantastic a mania, uh, perfectly pleasant, perfectly chromey-wint content.

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[SPEAKER_01]: There were a few little subplogs that they played out throughout the thing that thought were like, a little interesting, you know, cute there.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But, uh, sometimes when they're doing the, uh, the Japan, uh, which we break across over and there, there's no, uh,

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[SPEAKER_01]: There, there, there, no translation.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You come back here trying to figure out what that was going on.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And uh, there was, there's definitely a couple of moments in there.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's like, I don't know what happened here, but it didn't look like you.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You don't mean like, that's not a regular finish to the match.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, there was some interesting moments.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, we'll get into those, some playfulness, of course.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They're usually, this is more of an exhibition than a competition when it comes to the New Japan Canon and CMLLs, too, for that matter.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's a more light-hearted atmosphere, and that's certainly played out in you.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that's a one thing I watched, though, Jeremy, the Winter Olympics, one more thing on it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Have you seen any of this, because I know you probably have peacock from the WWE day.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Are you talking about the curling controversy?

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not talking about the curling.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We don't need to alienate any Swedish or Canadian fans.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We have both, by the way, on this show.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But the one thing that I wanted to get into, have you seen the skiing mountaineering?

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's a new sport.

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[SPEAKER_01]: No, tell me about skiing mountaineering.

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[SPEAKER_00]: This is nuts.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know why people do this, and I don't know what diabolical person came up with this.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So you start off on skis and you cross-country ski up a mountain.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So you go up and you're you're powering your way up about 200 feet up this mountain and you've got these special grips on the bottom of your skis.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, go slide down to the bottom and die and they just mixed up a bunch of different things.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So first of all, you're like you're going up climbing climbing climbing looks exhausting.

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[SPEAKER_00]: In the middle of this climb, you stop.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Remove your skis.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Gather them up, put them in a little loop on your backpack.

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[SPEAKER_00]: This sounds like I'm making it up, and I'm making it up, but it's on peacock, you can watch it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Put it in this little hook, and then run up a flight of stairs that they built into the side of this mountain.

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[SPEAKER_00]: After you run up the flight of stairs, you put the skis back on and cross country ski back up the rest of the way up this mountain, up this big hill, I guess more of a hill than a mountain.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You change the grips on your skis.

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[SPEAKER_00]: This is all as part of a race.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You change the grips on your skis and then slide down, ski down the mountain.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Going through gates like a slow-up course, including a small jump.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So this thing has cross-country skiing, stair climbing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And slow them and a little bit of a ski jump, all in one, and then you go back to the bottom.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And you go, I think they had about five or six skiers at a time doing this, maybe a little bit more.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's a new sport, and it's never going to win a little bit.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And it's like they said, we're going to do a little bit of everything.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So you've got a cross country ski sub, and then just to screw with them, we're going to make them take their skis off or run up a flight of steps, put them back on and keep going.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's the most random sport.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The international Olympic committee has a really appreciate sense of what data side is going to be an Olympic event, break-and-tink, for example.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And Reagan, I'm trying to incorporate all that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I felt like I managed to umbrella it enough where it seemed like it would relevant to this.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But the completeness of what data side you can get a gold

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[SPEAKER_01]: it's pretty amazing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: There was, you know, there wasn't social media clip that I saw today and I'll deal with that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Then I did like, and I don't know the name of the woman, but there was this door cover reporter that was asking a question of like, are you okay with winning two gold metals today or two silver metals today instead of winning two gold metals?

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[SPEAKER_01]: and the woman just looked at him and laughed and it was it was one of the most I just didn't hear it tear down where she's like I'm sorry what I'm not the Olympus I want a

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[SPEAKER_01]: gold medal.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I want to silver medal today.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I've done that five times.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, like I winning a medal at the Olympics, it's exponentially hard winning more of them.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's exponentially harder each time.

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[SPEAKER_01]: If you're asking me, if I'm upset that I want to silver medal, no, I'm not.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm very happy that I want to know.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Thank you for your question.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Nick Grieves mentions the speedwalking became an Olympic event the same year wrestling was removed and was one of the craziest things ever seen.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, there is a big there is a big speedwalking race, which my favorite line about speedwalking is

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[SPEAKER_00]: which I thought was just about perfect.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The putting that up there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I thought the Nordic combined was weird.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's the one that combines cross country skiing and ski jumping.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So like, speed walking is your petalized if you're gay, get to aggressive.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, so yeah, you're not.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Some foot has to be in contact with the ground at all times of speed walking.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Next up is that interview question is only rivaled by Patriots Coach Mike Vrable before the Super Bowl being asked if it was a must win game.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So actually, that's only the second stupid question in the history of Super Bowl.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Don't forget, Doug Williams of the Washington back then the Red Skins was asked, how long have you been a black quarterback?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Zastron, how long have you been a black quarterback?

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[SPEAKER_01]: No, you don't radio a road this year will actually about a block away from my house.

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[SPEAKER_00]: No, is that true?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, the Super Bowl stuff.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I live in Delta, Delta, and they were all in the San Jose Convention Center, which is on the other side of the campus that I live at, it's all just one hub, and I had a friend that actually did some interviews there, like BJ Cruz from the ringer, and just having him interview the wrestler's there, but like being the brawl guys, like MJF, and

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[SPEAKER_01]: and Seth Rowland were all there, so they all kind of know each other from a previous radio rows that they've done in different media.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So it's just funny, like, it's such a small world sometimes.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But you think that like, all this is happening so far away and sometimes, happening in your backyard, you're just like, how does this happen?

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's weird.

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[SPEAKER_00]: All right, so that's how we've spent our week, but meanwhile, New Japan was warming up with Fantasco Mania, 2020, so we're going to talk about the show we had yesterday, Yogi National Jim Jeremy, the attendance for this one over 2,000.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And that is up from 1850 from the best of Super Junior's last year, in 2024, best of Super Junior's was there and had about 1500, so they've gone from 1500, 1850 to over 2,000 this year, Yogi.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I will tell you this, the way that they scaled that show and the way that they had the audience there.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It sure didn't look like two thousand people.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Their production is knuckleheaded sometimes with New Japan, but I don't understand their insistence on putting the hard camera opposite the aisle, first of all, which just

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[SPEAKER_00]: doesn't put.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It just takes most of the crowd out of the hard camera picture.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You're shooting the aisle.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You don't see very many people anyway.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So they cut down the number of people in the background just by shooting at the aisle all the time.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then like you mentioned, there were people on the floor.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That was that looked pretty good.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then they have a ring of stands at the

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[SPEAKER_01]: So they have the upper bowl of just empty and yeah, they're like an obstruct if you don't people in an obstructed view.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's a bit the same point the hard game read it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: maybe how about at the aisles on the side like an American wrestling that was on the side so you actually see people in front of you it just it was like I was I was watching it and they were doing the announcement at the beginning where they were all winking nudge nudge telling you the certain wrestler who weren't going to be there that night and they kind of didn't like a crowd panning and you know there are a lot of people and they're really interested in being there there was definitely like the lucha uh

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[SPEAKER_01]: flared crowd like they knew what they were signing up for by being there at that show.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But it was still just like, are there?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Are there actually anyone here?

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[SPEAKER_00]: There were, yeah, it was a good crowd.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It was a better crowd than they've had in the building in a while.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Now that Jim, the one they rent, that's used for large shows from other companies.

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[SPEAKER_00]: New Japan is the only one that really runs

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[SPEAKER_00]: None big event stop.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I make a sense.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So all Japan has its New Year's Eve show there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And they draw, you know, 22, 2500, 2700 sometimes.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Marigold uses it for big events.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Start them has used it for big events.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But the shows that are built to, New Japan's the only one that uses it to shows that are building to something else.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So to speak there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So although this is almost certainly the biggest crowd of fantastic command yet, 2,200 there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But, and then Nick says sometimes I wish New Japan would take from American wrestling and move as many people as possible to the hard camera side.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You can put the cameras anywhere you want in the Tokyo dome, for instance, and you could do that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And for some reason, they shoot the aisle.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so you barely see people in the background that the biggest show of the year.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's puzzling for me.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't quite understand why they do that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But you know what startup does the same thing?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Other companies say, well, you know, Marigold, most of the comes from the side.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Anyway, put people in the background.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's a smarter move.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Take that lesson from American wrestling, if nothing else.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And perhaps nothing else.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Perhaps nothing else.

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[SPEAKER_00]: All right, but in the meantime you mentioned that they had a little fun with this at the beginning of the show my Japanese is getting good enough.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I actually understood a lot of this when they made the announcement I was watching on world, but they had the ring and answer come in with this with this little card sheet in front of him and read out the little announcement that you usually get when somebody has been injured and isn't at the show.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And he said that he was sad to report and as apologizing that Yoda Sushi is unable to be at the show tonight, but taking his place would be Philip Marlow Jr.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He also said to me, he also said to me, he said to me, he said to me, he said to me, he said to me, he said to me,

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[SPEAKER_00]: when he said the sushi wasn't going to be there that got an audible grown from the crowd because they weren't ready for it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then they saw my religion okay I got I see what's going on.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So when he said that ishi mori was not going to be here there was a little bit of a giggle from the crowd saying okay well who is that?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Bone soldier junior.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You don't say.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So we were fine on that one.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We had everybody we needed, but that was the announcement at the beginning of the show and it's set the light hard to tone for it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And they began with a fantasticomania 2026 tag team tournament first round match and that was futuro and valianta against eho day stuka junior, which is a mouthful and shoma kato.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Now we bring this up because shoma kato is on his farewell tour.

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[SPEAKER_00]: In fact, his two shows of coric and hall.

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[SPEAKER_01]: he'll have seen if you don't lie in victory lap.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He will have singles matches in Coricon Hall and then head back to Mexico with the CML L crew to begin his excursion with with CML L. And he's so here he was on the Rudo side Jeremy he was he was working as a light Rudo in this one the Eho Day Stuka Junior is definitely a Rudo and match the one about 10 minutes 17 seconds it's kind of fun everybody just kind of getting used to.

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[SPEAKER_00]: the ring and the ropes, it's a little different than the CMLL ring and ropes and things.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So, you know, everybody was kind of cautious at the beginning of the match at the beginning of the night, but Futuro and Valiente won this one with a moon-salt on Kto, so he's still young-line, he's still taking the falls, but his first taste of CMLL true by Gosh Lujelibre action.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I like this, though, Jeremy, he was watching intently the rest of the night and you can see him

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[SPEAKER_00]: just cataloging all these things in his young lion head, just thinking, I'm going to be doing all of these bumps and all of these moves for the next couple of years and he was paying very close attention to the rest of the night.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I kind of enjoyed watching Keto watch The Show.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It'll be fun to see what he does with it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I've actually wondering, he's got that horse version of the Negepan logo shirt, and I'm wondering if they were going to like come up with some like Pegasus style gimmick for him when he goes to, I know that that one is kind of tied to a wrestler we don't name anymore, but you could re-appropriate.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know if you want to go back and just keep reminding people of Chris and I necessarily, but I mean, you know, I think a new new with it with you, Japanese wrestler and I saw the horse and I was like, the MLL and what to, what's a good horse related name and first of all, I came up with with the Pegasus, but I don't know.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I subscribe to the CMLL YouTube page so I can watch the Friday shows.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I have the lower tier except for out of Versario months, then I bump up to the land those tier.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So, you can add them on the huge weight except for the 30.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, exactly.

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[SPEAKER_00]: 10 a month and I can watch the Friday night show 10 days after it happens.

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[SPEAKER_00]: If you go to the way end is one, you can watch Friday night live, but for the $10 a month one, you can do the, so I'll be keeping an eye on Shoma.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I'll be reporting back.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You also do such like a, that is such a difficult price point to like break through on.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, but I just love what they're doing so much.

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[SPEAKER_01]: If they, I would even like, I would cringe.

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[SPEAKER_01]: but I would be willing to do 20, like, pull it, like, twist my arm, $20.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But 15, I think I would do CMLL YouTube if I could watch everything everybody.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I know what you mean.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It is a little bit frustrating that you can't watch everything live, but with that $10,000, you get the Fridays on delay.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You get the Tuesdays every week.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That one's up there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Stuff from Guadalajara, Rina Calceo, all that kind of stuff.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So you get quite a bit, but yeah, it's frustrating to wait the 10 days, but I just try to avoid spoiled anyway.

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[SPEAKER_01]: If not even frustrating, offer get about it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like I will, I will just move on and it'll be a

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't love that, but I'm also, I feel like with the AEW interaction and fantastic media, and you know, like the people that I talked to, if I need to dip in, it's not hard for but I'm just not watching it all the time.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's the number two company in the world right now by a good distance between number two and number three, and they are packing that place every Friday night, and the other shows aren't poorly attended.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, they aren't like Fridays.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But they're they're they're doing very well.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You have any idea what they're booking it with with a lot of their talent being in Japan the click.

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[SPEAKER_00]: No, I'm curious to see who's on the Friday night show this week.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, you can kind of tell just by who's not here, of course, but we've got a lot of big names.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I would say

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[SPEAKER_00]: Three of the five biggest names in the whole company are over here for fantastic amenities.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Certainly the top two.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Certainly number one and number two are over here.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Mescargarada and Mistico, we saw.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And Cabrato is incredibly popular right now.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He is.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, he's one of the top heels.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: No, I mean, it's, there's a big crew over in Tempelario and head to Sarah or both over here.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So there's, I think the women are going to be in a crew, it's probably a big women week.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and then they'll have, there are other others.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's a pretty deep roster.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's a pretty deep roster.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Neon is heard, unfortunately.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So anyway, the second match is Heter Cero.

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[SPEAKER_00]: As we mentioned, wrestling Zane J.

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[SPEAKER_00]: This one went 10 minutes.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And Zane came out and said, he doesn't want the young lion music anymore.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So he's not going to be doing that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And he wrestled Heter Cero here, not all of this match worked.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Zane was wrestling like he was getting paid by the punch.

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[SPEAKER_00]: that he threw.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He didn't seem to know what to do a lot of the time in this one, but had to Sarah kind of carried him through a lot of it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And it was fine.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But I wouldn't go any further than fine.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It seemed like when ever's aim was on offense, the only thing you could think to do was punch him in the head.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And struggled a little bit.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe he's just not used to luch it at all.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But I had to Sarah pull something out of him and got to win.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And that means showcase for edge of Sarah, of course.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, showcase for Hunter Sarah, until so this is one of those matches for Gain J, where he's going afterward and he's going to talk to everybody about what you know, like he's going to get better very quickly from the match if you weren't right.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know what I mean, like this is an excellent opportunity for him.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So

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[SPEAKER_01]: I am happy that he got to do this match.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I am happy that he has been given the confident to be put in this position of all the people and CMLs that doesn't mean it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It will gain J in with Heterro, just to give him some run, just to like, give him that opportunity and experience.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So it's great thing for him, honestly.

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[SPEAKER_00]: After that one, we had the tag team tournament first round match again.

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[SPEAKER_00]: This was a verno and Magnus.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They wrestled stigma and tiger mass.

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[SPEAKER_00]: This is the black cat memorial show and all the mass wrestlers.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Magnus stigma and tiger mass have their mass.

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[SPEAKER_00]: A verno has lost his.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They all had sort of.

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[SPEAKER_00]: cat or tiger themed mask or tiger mask always does.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Stigma and Magnus played up some tiger and cat like features on their masks.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, this is exactly what they mean.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They did a little something interesting with it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Magnus covered himself up before he came out like he was covered up for the first half of this match.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And didn't reveal himself to be like black tiger basically a version of black tiger in this match.

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[SPEAKER_01]: which was the whole thing like at the beginning of the beginning between the matches, they did a whole ceremony with the wife of the original black cat.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, black cat, and so with a lovely ceremony, stigma, I think is the nephew of one of the people.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't remember exactly what it was, but

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[SPEAKER_01]: They took photos and then Tonahashi gave her a sign jacket from the New Japan crew and then she had a ring tight seat and then they went in there and, you know, Magnus had a, you know, a wrap around his head, but you do something underneath it and then he was wearing, you know,

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[SPEAKER_01]: loose pants to just an apex predator and then halfway through the match.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He unreal and reveals it and then he tape golfing pants and it's just a whole total black cat trivia thing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I mean, it was nice.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And that was fine.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The match itself, boy.

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[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Tiger mask is probably getting out at the right time if not the little sea light.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think he probably would have retired last year had ton of hashing up and retiring, but he just doesn't move very well anymore.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And the finish came when they pulled his mask off and just kind of laid on top of him and pinned him.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It was kind of awkward looking finished, but I'm not sure Tiger mask can do a whole lot athletically anymore, but, I mean, Tiger mask, you know, they did the ceremony now because we've only had one match in this tournament, you know, and we'd, yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: for all four guys involved the mission has been accomplished and I got a bracketing thing later on about what is going to be happening later on but you know it was a third match on the card match.

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[SPEAKER_00]: At this point, though, we had seen some rough moments and it would not have proved.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So next one was Atlantis and Atlantis Jr. And this one got me Jeremy.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I remember a few years ago, Atlantis Jr. coming to Japan when he was

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[SPEAKER_00]: very green and the people in arena Mexico were not sure about him.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And he was a very skinny, lanky wrestler who did a couple of things well and was still very green.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And they brought him over for a fantastic amount of courses as Father Atlantis, one of the all-time Hall of Fame, good guy wrestlers in Lucheli Bre.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And

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[SPEAKER_00]: Seeing him as basically a minnow, learning to swim in New Japan now, seeing him as a really either main event or semi-final second from the top wrestler in CMLL and seeing him fill out he's more muscular, he's more athletic.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's really picked up on this and he's become a terrific worker.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So seeing him year after year come over for this and seeing his development has been kind of cool.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He is, they were wrestling cozy max, which is Okamura and Satoshi Kojima, not too long ago.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The MLW tag team champions.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And of course, Okamura's wife, Mimashimoto was in their corner.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Mimashimoto, former old Japan women's star.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I'd like to join your held this one together.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Kojima is not a luchador and doesn't work a luchily very much.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Ocomora and Atlantis are pretty old and don't move all that well either.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They're up there a ways.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Atlani's just got to be in the 60s and amazingly enough Jeremy.

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[SPEAKER_00]: His name has, he's been a star for 40 years, 40 years and his name is not publicly known.

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[SPEAKER_00]: just not done an amazing job keeping that quiet.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But he's pretty old man.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And there were tough spots in this match.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Frog Splash from Atlantis Junior on Okomora and Atlantis in Islam.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And the Atlantis Junior move forward.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so this looks about a five-minute match.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They got stretched out to almost seven minutes.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And that looks a big problem.

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[SPEAKER_01]: What's the match essentially?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Atlantis Junior did the best he could with everybody.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It was the young guy with three old guys, you know what I mean?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like it was, he was there to make sure that they got a beginning of middle and then and they got a beginning middle and then the strategy and the assignment was understood.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And for Aunt Lenny, if I watch a backstage comment to you may not know the name, but man, you can see that fine mustache underneath that mask, just peeking underneath the thing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And just looking at those two guys wearing their very similar mask and seeing like Aunt Lenny's very stout like wide head at the the mask kind of adult, like his big puppy cheeks.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then you got junior and he's just

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's just a very slender mask.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It looks good.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And it folds over a little bit differently.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And like, mom, mom, mom, mom would come and let's have a strong chin up and snap.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I, I gotta say this too.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I say it every year with a lot of teeth.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But go back and find his mask versus mask, match against the honor to Sarah, beyond our number three.

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[SPEAKER_00]: One of the best, literally, right matches you're gonna see and a rabbit, a crowd in Arena, Mexico that was,

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[SPEAKER_00]: several thousand north of capacity and probably I don't know who took the fire commissioner out to dinner that night so that they could not shut the show down and just get as many people as possible.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But standing room only meant basically sitting in the aisles and crouching down behind the rosajad.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That place was packed solid with people.

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[SPEAKER_00]: that we're going insane for that match.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It was a terrific match.

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[SPEAKER_00]: One of the most dramatic mass versus mass finishes.

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[SPEAKER_00]: When Ed Lontis was a top guy, he was one of the very best.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And but that was quite a while ago, quite a while ago.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And he just doesn't move as well as he used to.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They don't use him a whole lot in arena Mexico anymore.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There are a couple legends they still do.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Come talk about that later.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, there were some tough moments in this one, where Lontis Jr, very talented guy, and brought that forward in cozy max out of the tournament.

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[SPEAKER_01]: All right, so we got the, we got a eight man match after that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, and so this was unbound company.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So we had Taiji Shimori as bone soldier junior just wearing a hood, daking a guy and Teton.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Teton part of unbound company.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We found that out efficiently.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He was kind of lost after the L.I.J.

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[SPEAKER_00]: breakup.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Philip Marlow, Jr. was Yoda Suji in a very cool mask.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I got to say this was a very cool mask that incorporated the the Marlow hat into the mask, which I thought was pretty cool, but we haven't seen something like that in a while, uh, super Callow.

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[SPEAKER_01]: was a luchador who incorporated a pair of sunglasses into his mask, uh, which I always enjoyed, but this Hello, we're using shadow and one side of its faith to give you the outline of Philip Marlow, but it will only one half of its faith that was like adorned with decorative, but it's that you've wear a full mask.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, the hat pulled down part of the mask.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I enjoyed it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They faced Elvis Morado, Mr. Yasada, and then Mr. Watto, and Reece Ketiguchi.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Of course, Mr. Watto did his excursion in CMLL as Watto's son, and maybe even been wearing his pants from those days.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He had very Mexican flag theme pants.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He was a heel,

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[SPEAKER_00]: mostly worked with Okamura, it was a rudo in Mexico when he was on excursion back in the day.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Of course, Desperado was Nama Hague in CMLO as well.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So we had that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so a lot of these guys knew how to work with Lucha and Toriumon for Tomahiro Ishii, excuse me, for Taiyeshi Ishii Mori.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So he knows how to do all this.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Pretty good.

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[SPEAKER_00]: This was a much better match than what we had seen so far in the night.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And Teton hit the double stop on Yasuda to win it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: First match that I really enjoyed on the night.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it was fun.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The thing for me was okay.

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[SPEAKER_01]: To Gucci did hit Egyptian lucha thing again where he had so books that like the Egyptian math over a face and that's his gimmick and he's been doing it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: For as long as I can remember the CMLL fantastic.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But it's supposed to be an Aztec thing right, but what I wanted to say was is it was really weird this year.

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[SPEAKER_01]: because all the people that he used to do this with are all gone, you know, like the Tonahashi with the faith pain and and all the different things they would do with fantastic amenia.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So it all feels like a relic of a previous generation kind of put into this because he's just familiar with it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But

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[SPEAKER_01]: He kind of just doesn't really fit anymore and it's weird.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like it's just like even the hauntie part of it, you could put anyone in there.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You did put the Gucci there because it's the Gucci.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But at the same time, you're thinking like, hit heyday was like 12, 13, 14 years ago, he's getting into that,

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[SPEAKER_01]: He's getting into that roar, if she's like, he's just, he's been a comedy guy, but even more so, that he's gonna look like, get into that togey mockabay level, just, he's more of that than he is like the player on the roster anymore, it's just interesting.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But, yeah, I just, I felt it in this iteration, more than I felt it in a long time.

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[SPEAKER_00]: After that, we had a Relompago match, that means lightning in Spanish,

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[SPEAKER_00]: And that means a sprint match, 10 minute time limit.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That was the part I didn't understand, Steven.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We're lumpico match.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, then that's what that's what we're lumpico means.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's a lightning match.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And as they do these at Arena Mexico, quick singles matches.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So we're on our Junior in Templar.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It was this one.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So we're on our junior versus temporario, would be a big match in arena Mexico.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And we got it here in Yoyogi.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It was really, really good.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Those two work very, very well together.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They worked with each other plenty in Mexico.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So they were able to put on a really good time limit draw.

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[SPEAKER_00]: they added a little extra afterwards by trying to get at each other and having to be separated and trying to keep the match going.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But so Barano Jr., another guy who came to Fantastica Mania years ago when he weighed about 160 pounds and was tiny still a baby face, still a technical.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And now he is a full-blown rudo and a main event level one as well.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And look

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so 10 minutes and I felt like they could go another 10, 15 minutes of the exact same pace and they actually wrestled it as if like they were going to go like 25 minutes and the batch just stopped in 10 and they're both like, what?

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then super on us again, fine, we're on it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm out of here.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then tomorrow's like, oh, no, we're going to still we're going to keep fighting.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And the draw win, super on a god out of the ring, temporary, did a suicide dive over the top rope to do it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And he tried to keep fighting, super on a rope.

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[SPEAKER_01]: No, no, no, we're done.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We're done totally healing it up.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But

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[SPEAKER_01]: uh, I hope they run it back for like a longer match later on in the tournament, you know, that feel like what it's kind of designed to do.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I would like to see more also.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I agree with you.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think that when that bell rang, they're in the whistle blew, they used kind of a whistle in in Lucha.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They looked up almost like, I was just getting warm up.

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[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It was just going to be, they were not, they were not tired at all.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, I'm going to go to the Captain America.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I could do this all day and then okay, probably could.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But the crowd really enjoyed it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It was very good.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It was exactly what you would show.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And the perfect example of which we break a single match, not too long, didn't overstate welcome, didn't have a finish in which one of the guys could come back and somehow play into the CML.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It was a draw.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It was whatever.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It was everything you needed a

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[SPEAKER_00]: The man of that was another tag team tournament first round match in the fourth one.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And this was mascara de rada and mixtico against show and ultimo Guerrera.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mentioned legends earlier.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I bring it up because of this last month in arena max go ultimo Guerrera who is 53.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think wrestled the blue panther who is 65.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Then years ago, Blue Panther lost his mask and all that stuff.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And he looked 65 things.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But Jeremy, there was a single smash between Goldimogarero and Blue Panther, 65 and 53.

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[SPEAKER_00]: One of the best matches I watched all month, not just Lucha Libre, anywhere.

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[SPEAKER_00]: This match was fan freaking tastic.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And you're sitting there watching this guy who's

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[SPEAKER_00]: five years away from being 70 years old.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And you just think this guy's just going to crash and burn.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's doing to pay Suicitas.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He is doing Hurricane Rodin's off the ropes.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's doing all of this stuff.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Not maybe out of smooth as a young man, but technically precise.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's not fumbling around out there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He can still do it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And Guerrero is just one of the best lucha workers.

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[SPEAKER_00]: His timing is terrific.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He knows how to

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[SPEAKER_00]: arena Mexico crowd, which, again, is a lot of tourists that don't normally watch luchelibrates.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So sometimes the workers have to guide the fans along in a way that you don't when you're working for a company like New Japan and everybody is a big fan and watches everything.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Or even WWE, which has its patterns in its own style.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The Luchador's sort of have to teach everybody Luchely Bre every single week because such a huge part of that crowd are the tourists to come from the hotels.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's great at that and yet he can still tell a great traditional pro wrestling story with this match.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It was really exciting.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so just to see a 65 year old guy in a 53 year old absolutely tear the house down in front of 15,000 people who haven't gone crazy for it, just shows you how good it worked there's some of these guys really are.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Guerrero and show.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They were wrestling Dorada and Mystico.

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[SPEAKER_00]: These are the top two guys in Lucheli Bre in CMLL and really anything.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, there aren't any guys.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Triple A has talent to people.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Triple A has talent to people.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Nobody's at that level.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They're not work great.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They were they're they're an alternative to the rest of the style of not a compliment.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And this was good, but this match was a complete showcase for Dorada and Mystico.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Show a Guerrero got very little offense and a match that went 16 minutes.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There was not.

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[SPEAKER_00]: a lot of selling by the baby faces.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They Guerrero and show were mostly there to be bases.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Somebody there to grab a hold of, climb tumble off of and around, do the rope work where they, you know, have grabbed the guys arm, run up the ropes and do all kinds of impressive flips and things, off of those and the teherises and the arm drags.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And of course, to catch them on dives.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That was mostly what show in Guerrero were there for.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Very little selling from the baby faces, clean winds with lamistic, uh, of course, the, the shoulder breaker, the misticoe uses as a submission hold.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Crowd enjoyed it, but just a classic baby face when afterwards, misticoe on the microphone puts over my scar to rot a hard.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The message to CMLL has been sending for a long time is clear.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Mystico is the man and his entrances of the arena Mexico are something to see in here.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The people just react to him differently than anyone else on the card.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But they also love Mascara Dorada.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And there is no doubt that Mystico's in his 40s, Dorada's in his mid 20s.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And they are preparing Mascara Dorada to be the guy.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And after this match, Mystico's promo in rain was all about that Mascara Dorada is going to be the guy.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So one of these times, it's not going to be Mystico out there as the banner carrier, the man emblematic of CML, Mystico is making sure we know that one of these days, it's not going to be him.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's going to be Dorada.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I joined this match mentally.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think it's about to like this where I think shows a little bit more underrated and doesn't get as much credit as he did for her because he's he's pretty versatile.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He can do a he can do a whole lot.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And he's a fan favorite.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's hilarious to me.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like they the gimmick of him not taking off his shirt and getting heel heat for not taking off his shirt will never not kill me.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's just it's the best.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Uh, I also, I also very much enjoyed in the finish when Mystico hit Ma Mystica and then Dorana still hit his finisher on show for the top row and went for a pin and had show in the pinning position as the referee has gotten back to him.

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[SPEAKER_01]: and trying to do, trying to check to see if Mystico is going to tap Ultimo Guerrero.

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[SPEAKER_01]: In the back, right back, if I'm going to try to get the pen too, because damn it, he's going to win this match too.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And that's also...

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[SPEAKER_00]: also remember in Lucha that's kind of a common thing is.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, sure.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But I'm a tiniest pins and they just gets the rules of Lucha different than rules of Lucha.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's funny when you see it in New Japan and it looks like it glicked their chasing cloud because the way like New Japan and it sometimes is like a pinfall.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So, you know, with one of the culture things that when they they come together, it's like it goes funny if you're looking at it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Which I want, it's like, man, you gotta get your shit head bad, gotta get it head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head head

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[SPEAKER_01]: You take a break, you know, Reckl kingdom, do you have the thing and then new beginning?

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then you just kind of like sit back for three MLL for a few minutes.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then you go right back right into the new trend cup.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And it just, it feels like they're a significant chapter break between one part of the year and the next.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So let's take a look at what's coming up in the week ahead.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They are going to be in Cochi on Saturday for a house show.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That was not going to be on NJPW World.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They're back Sunday in Osaka, although that's late night Saturday for you, Jeremy, because it's a day show in Osaka, so, but the time difference over there in the West Coast, it's Saturday night, but it's Sunday in Japan.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That one is going to be on NJPW World with English added later, live in Japanese English added later.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They're not sending Chris over there to Osaka.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That one will have the Tag Team Tournament semi-file, that'll be a lot to use in

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[SPEAKER_00]: What will probably be the best match of the tournament, mascara, Dorada, and Meseco against Valiente, Jr. and futuro.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That will be pretty exciting.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think that'll be a pretty good match.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And that is Sunday in Osaka.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I just throw the graphics on here, but I haven't been ordered, and I think I think the a fair no match, or the Mystigo Master draw to the main event for that show.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then I have the grid here of how the tournament bracket breaks down for this very important fantastic and media attack team, eight man tournament.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So, go ahead.

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[SPEAKER_00]: No, that's fine.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The tournament basically is leading up to, I would say, Mystico and mascara Dorada, winning it, but you know, I'm curious, Atlantis and Atlantis Jr.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Atlantis is an all time legend even today.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They don't beat him much.

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[SPEAKER_00]: This isn't a situation where like tens on or even Kojima where they will lose against the talk.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They protect Atlantis.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's a little different in Japan.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We'll say certainly want to protect Atlantis Junior.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't anticipate him taking you fall.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe they will.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They have to lose at some point.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm curious to see how

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[SPEAKER_00]: The Atlantis is loose because they don't really be either one very often, not never, but not very often.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so to me, I would think that the tournament final will be musical on Muscari Dorada, beating whoever comes out of Osaka.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't see any way in the world.

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[SPEAKER_00]: If you turn to a ambalience, they tune your win.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That match.

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[SPEAKER_00]: No, I don't.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think I think it's pretty likely on the right hand side, which you have Mr. Goan Dorada versus the furthest ultimagre on show.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then

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[SPEAKER_01]: they face future of valiantay who beat Duke and Shomakato, but it'll be really interesting to see if on the next match, a verno and magnus go back to trying to take the mask off and trying to use that as a way to win because if you look at their pathway, it all masked wrestlers all the way through.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And going to try and take tiger mask mask off and then in their first batch of the way to to win just make me think that Atmantees or atmantees junior probably going to have a similar fate where they sneak a win which gives them that momentum going into the final Of are they going to try and take miss to go a mask or garotic mask off and that's how they're going to speak a win and then you know the baby faces when did the end

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[SPEAKER_01]: It feels like that kind of the whole thing because you want to have a heal on baby face dynamic.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And it's a bunch of times I like it, man, he said, I'm when he's chewing him, because he's just going to go a mask or a hurada.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You're still going to have to carry it when he's at that match.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And you don't need to be caring people.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You need to have like a good match.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You're going to feel like I'm happy.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, so that is going to be the Sunday show in Osaka.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There are other good matches on that card.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I wanted to point out one in particular that I wanted to get to that I think it's going to be.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The one on us today.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'll go through the card again.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Sunday, yeah, I just wanted to bring that one is it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, oh, yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So of course, sober energy in your temple area, you know, lightning match.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That'll be another one there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So it's a temple area, sober energy in your looks like they're going to go again.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, it's a three-way on Sunday.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, it's a three-way on Sunday.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They threw head to Sarah when there's such a plario so Barano and head to Sarah when a roll-off ago.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Sure.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Sure.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[UNKNOWN]: Let's do it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then yeah, so you got that as the underneath the two tag matches, and then you don't get many of them, and Magnus match, and then you get the valiantane match, Garada match there.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then under that, you got a 10 man, which is a unbound company, probably a bone soldier, and a daking a guy, and she can get to Caggy.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Marlowe Jr. they don't actually have you to sue your name on that card and then let's see stigma joins on tie with yassda to Gucci, Desperado, and Masterwato who they're trying to heat up for that Jr. have a way title match that these got coming up pretty soon.

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[SPEAKER_01]: so yeah

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[SPEAKER_01]: And how the torture, the looser of tag matches before and the inner card match.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Have a fun.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The tour will continue on Monday and I eat.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's a house show.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's not going to be on the world.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They're back in Tuesday again at the Eddie Annerine number two, the smaller gem.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But the tag team tournament finals, that'll be Tuesday in Osaka.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And that will also be live in Japanese with English added later.

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[SPEAKER_00]: when they get to Corrican Hall for Thursday and Friday, that's going to wrap up the tour.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Show Makato is getting two singles matches, one each night.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He'll probably lose them there, but those are his send-offs.

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[SPEAKER_00]: in spare well matches before going off on excursion at corticone hall.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That one will have live English.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I would imagine that's going to be Chris Charlton on the microphone for those.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So that is what's coming up this week.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And of course, by the time we get here, we will have one of those two corticone hall shows done in dust that we can talk about.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We'll also talk about the action from Osaka and

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[SPEAKER_01]: preview, of course, of new beginning USA because what I wanted to bring up because that made the third day and Friday car really interesting because I don't think go to food you'll be on those cards and I haven't cross-checked who else is on the fantastic and maniacard that is due for action over a New Jersey after and they'll probably need to go after the Tuesday show about the

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[SPEAKER_00]: Right, yeah, I'm looking at it now.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Ishimori is on it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's wrestling Ricochet.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So he'll be leaving Desparado, of course.

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[SPEAKER_00]: About Fantes, I want to catch to aren't on.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The Fantes can make it to worse.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So that's not a problem.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And he'll go to Fuji.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Ishimori and Desparado at this point.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, exactly.

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[SPEAKER_01]: OK.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, it does.

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[SPEAKER_01]: if those guys aren't on a card, it always matters, but for fantastic amadia, there's enough other people in enough talent that they can saw on a card and it'll be fine.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Sure.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I think so too.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So we will bring you that to the results of that when it happens.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So let's run down real quick.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Just go over the card for a new beginning USA.

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[SPEAKER_00]: uh just very quickly of course like i said the big preview is is next week we'll go over match the match well the graphics for that all okay i'll do a very quiet me that it's just very quick uh David Finlay who is a free agent he is not an NJPW wrestler but he's booked for this show so he's they're all kind of rumours about where he's going to go i wish i knew where the hell you was going you may come back to new Japan for all i tell you a little bit

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[SPEAKER_00]: uh... fit finley said his father said that he was excited about david's next chapter whatever that means uh... the finley family pretty tight in with w e right now but that doesn't mean he's one hundred percent going there it's he but that is the uh... the leaders at this point that the bedding favorites so to speak for david family but we don't know he is book for new uh... beginning u.s.a. though

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[SPEAKER_00]: Again, I just want to caution I really don't read into that that he's staying necessarily, but it could be just another match that he's already booked for and taking it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So, finally against Fred Rosser is the opener.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then the strong open weight title will be on the line as ECE wrestles up.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oleg Bolton, Bolton challenging.

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[SPEAKER_00]: AEW National Championship.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That will be Ricochet, Ricochet, the champion against Taiji Ishimori, the Challenger, Shibia Terrific Match.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Then we will have Koshita now this for outovers is Alec Price and Jordan Oliver.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The NJPW World TV title on the line as Elfantazmo wrestles can escape to Kestra for the belt.

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[SPEAKER_00]: IWGP Tag Team Championship, Oscar and Utoe Ice against the Gates of Agony, Toma Leona and Bishop Khan, and then

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[SPEAKER_00]: We will have what should be a terrific one, the IWGP Joshi title on the line, sure he defending against Athena.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And the global heavyweight title match Yoda Susji against Andrade El Edelope.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We talked about Jeremy that the global title was going to be the one that would go internationally.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Whereas the IWGP heavyweight title would be the one defended on the regular cards in Japan, as a stands right now.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's what suit you spent.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He mentioned who else he wants to defend that global title against.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He said he would like to defend it against Ultimo Guerrero in arena Mexico.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That would be something sushi would be very interested in doing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'd imagine that arena Mexico would be happy to have that match.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Of course, he does the Guerrero special, that's one of his big moves in his big matches.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It doesn't do it every match.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's got a dangerous.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But that's where he got it from.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Ultimate Guerrero.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So to see him wrestle.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Ultimate Guerrero in arena Mexico for the global title.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I hope it happens someday.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I hope there is fire with that smoke.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think that would be fun.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know whether to read into Yoda Fuji, talking about potential other tidor defenses that he'd like to do without having one under his belt that he's got, you know, right in front of him, seems a little presumptuous.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, you're in just for many, you would mention going to Arena Mexico, that would be just, you know.

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[SPEAKER_01]: What a weird careful careful talking before your your first task is out of the way you're talking about the next one after that, um, but.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and draw an a and draw it can be a fun match.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I didn't realize there was a full card out, like you call me flat footed on this, I didn't realize like that sounds like a full like we're good to go like just and yeah eight days away, I just.

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[SPEAKER_01]: What the hell happened to February, dude?

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's just, it's not an NJPW 1972.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I've been the first half of the month kind of planning Valentine's Day for the wife, and it just feels like the second half of the month.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's just, we're, it's February 19th.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We're talking about February 27th, and, you know, let's contend it and it's just like, everything gone, man.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We can't know everything.

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[SPEAKER_00]: All right, so we will preview that thing or match my match next to week.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But speaking of which, one other thing before we get into the next and bulk of what you want to talk about, Chris Sambsa is going to be our special co-host and I believe two weeks, Stephen Conway is going to be unavailable and he has a tournament or a contest.

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[SPEAKER_01]: for predicting the new Japan cup at the sport of pro wrestling.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Steven, do you know if we have a banner for that off chance?

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think I have a good point.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You take a look on there while I'm talking about it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And you can go in there at the sport of pro wrestling.com.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And you can fill out line by line and compare yourself to the rest of the new Japan fans.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Testing your metal and your knowledge about

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like who's going to win this huge fan cup?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Who's going to be the final four?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Who's going to be the elite eight?

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[SPEAKER_01]: All of that stuff.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You can go and pick each one out and he does that G1 contest every year.

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[SPEAKER_01]: If you, uh, if you're feeling so bold and you are willing to put your metal against all other fans of Dujapan who watch the cup, including myself, who will more than likely fill out a bracket, you should go to the sport of pro wrestling.com,

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, you can find that sport of pro wrestling dot com pops up right on his main page there sport of pro wrestling dot com i put the the full lake right here in uh in the uh on the banner right there if you want to see it but you go to sport of pro wrestling dot com's first thing you see is that yeah so uh he'll be the get to all the random staff in fact lives and we'll get hit the piggins on the uh new beginning to end

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[SPEAKER_01]: New Jersey or whatever it is, because that'll be the show that we talked about.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Did you want to recap that over the weekend or did you want to just talk about it when you get back.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You and Chris are going to cover the show.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I didn't know if you and I wanted to do like a show on the weekend covering.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to be gone.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I didn't know.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think that's now because that forgot to ask you off and I am off the continent off the continent.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, so that that qualifies that everybody we're not having any extra shows.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Other stuff we're doing every Thursday and there will be one in the middle in the beginning of March, the Stephen won't be here and we're going to have for a Sam said that should pretty much explain everything that you need to know.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, we

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[SPEAKER_00]: We did get one piece of news that I wanted to get into here.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We have a new young lion that is starting as well that he's going to begin at the beginning of the New Japan Cup.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But I'm just proud.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I want to make sure I get his name right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Tai say knockahara and you see him as a round ring side.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's going to have his debut match against Tetsuya Matsumoto.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Of course, Marashima has headed off on to excursion, Kato is about to.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So when the New Japan Cup starts, Taisai Naka-Hara will be a young lion at the bottom of the food chain.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So Matt's a motor or no longer the newest kid on the block.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So we'll see how his debut match goes at the beginning of the New Japan Cup in Corican Hall.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That definitely feels like a unique name.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Never heard that one.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Ticé, knock a heart, yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That feels like you won't be a problem to remember that one.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And of course, that night we'll also see Aaron Wolf against Don Fale in the first round of the tournament.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We'll see you, you owe more of versus Great O'Con.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's the main event of that show.

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[SPEAKER_00]: All right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Now, mentioned the, mentioned the online, we mentioned what's coming up.

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[SPEAKER_00]: wanted to mention something from a little while ago and that is a former IWGP World Heavyweight Champion passed away.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's Tadau Yasada.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I didn't have time to get into him a whole lot last week.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We have time this week.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And he passed away at the age of only 62.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But yes, let's talk a little bit about what was an interesting career one that, you know, a lot of times, there's a rapid rise and then a slow descent.

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[SPEAKER_00]: This was a very flat career with a giant peak in the very middle of it and before it all flattened out again, and I'll explain what I mean.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He was born October 9, 1963.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He got in a sumo wrestling first.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And he began his career in 1979.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He was only 15 years old when he started professional sumo.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He left junior high school, left junior high school to become a sumo wrestler.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And

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[SPEAKER_00]: had a career that went all the way up until 1992.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So from 79 and 92, a fairly long career, he got up to the top division for one tournament he even made it to the Koma Subi Rack, which is pretty high up.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But every time he got,

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[SPEAKER_00]: a little too close to the sun.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He would have a pretty rough tournament.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The thing is, Jeremy, as you move up the ranks, your competition also gets tougher.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's not like, in the NCAA tournament when you're at number one seed, you play a number 16 seed in the first round.

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[SPEAKER_00]: If you're a high rank in sumo, you wrestle the other high ranks.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So the higher up you go, the tougher it gets.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's when you're in there with the Yoko Zuna's and the second walk, guys, and the Ozeki's.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm getting into a lot of technical terms on this one.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But you don't wrestle the guys that are barely hanging on anymore once you get up to that right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He would do fine at the lower ranks against those guys that are just hanging on.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He would do well.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Once he would get up toward the top of the food chain, things would get pretty rough for him.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He did manage to get up into that comosubi rank.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He had an 11 and 4 record at a tournament.

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[SPEAKER_00]: One of the fighting spirit prize was promoted to comosubi.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then he just had a really bad tournament and was demoted down again.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And that was kind of his...

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[SPEAKER_00]: his career path, he would get up to the higher ranks, fly a little too close to the sun, drop back down.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Now, he did get two gold star wins.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Now, a gold star win in Simo means you are a rank and filer, but you defeat a Yoko Zuna in the tournament.

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[SPEAKER_00]: As pretty rare, and it's a pretty nice career achievement, you get a raise for doing it, you get some bonus money.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And the gold star wins are healthy for anybody's career.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The interesting thing here, Jeremy, is who he defeated.

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[SPEAKER_00]: who was the Yokozuna, it was Futa Haguro, who was his name, was Koji Katau, and he became a professional wrestler.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Koji Katau and Tenru at one point wrestled at WrestleMania, I believe it was WrestleMania number seven, the most Angela's.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So, Kojikatao, who eventually left Sumo and became a professional wrestler, he was the Yoko Zuna, that Tadau, Yasuda defeated for his gold stars both times.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So there you have it, little pro wrestling connection all the way through.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mentioned he retired 1992.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He had faded to the point that he was at a lower level than the top guys, where the yoke as soon as the Zekis are, there's another level called Juryo that's below that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And he was kind of stuck there for a while and wasn't really progressing into sight of he was going to hang it up.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Join the New Japan Dojo in 1993, made his pro wrestling debut on February 24th, 1994.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He walks to Hiroshi Hase, something that was unusual.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mentioned Koji Katow.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He entered the pro wrestling ranks, mostly with all Japan, with the New Japan, all Japan.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He rests on for everybody at one time or another, and basically either got run out, fired, or quit, everybody because Katow.

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[SPEAKER_00]: still look down on pro wrestling, even though he was doing it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But he flamed out a sumo not the greatest attitude in the world.

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[SPEAKER_00]: In fact, one of the very worst, it's, you know, sometimes you say you never hear a bad word about McFully and never hear a bad word about Terry Funk.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He don't hear very many good ones about Kojikateau, and no one seemed to like the dude.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And, but he was a star.

01:00:05.769 --> 01:00:09.853
[SPEAKER_00]: He was a Yokozuna, so he was a huge mainstream name, and he was presented as a star.

01:00:09.873 --> 01:00:15.739
[SPEAKER_00]: There was another one named Wajima, who wrestled for all Japan, who got into wrestling to pay off his gambling debts.

01:00:16.420 --> 01:00:22.787
[SPEAKER_00]: His things had gone a little sideways with his bookies, and he had to make some extra money, and he was presented as a star.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, it up.

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[SPEAKER_00]: had never really got to the very, very, very top ranks.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We talked a little bit about how he would get up there and then he would fall back.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He started as a young lion.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He went all the way down, started as a young lion and stayed a young lion.

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[SPEAKER_00]: To give you an idea here, even though he was a symbol, these were some of his records as a young lion.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He was 29 and 72 in his matches in 1994.

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[SPEAKER_00]: 29 and 88 in 1995, 25 and 96 in 1996.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So he spent most of the 90s doing jobs being on the losing side of tag matches.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And that was really how he spent his first few years.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He had an interesting match in his first year, though, in May of his debut year, 1994.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He went to the Fukuoka Dome at wrestling Don Taco.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And he wrestled L. He Gante.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You remember L. He Gante?

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[SPEAKER_01]: I do remember El Gigante.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so he put him over for him.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He was in WCW at the time.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That was the don't talk of the show.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That main event was part of the Antonio and no key final countdown series where a no key put himself over the Great Moota.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I was looking around that card.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I thought there were some interesting things about it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: First of all,

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[SPEAKER_00]: Hawke and power warrior.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That was Kent's case of sake.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Road Warrior animal was out of action with an injury and an insurance settlement at the time.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Couldn't wrestle.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They beat the Steiner brothers on that show.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So you had the Hawke and power warrior versus the Steiner's Rick Roode, beat Sting for the WCW International title on that card.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Shinni Hashimoto defeated Tetsumi Fujinovi for the IWGP title on that show, the opening match, the Whipper Snapper's Jeremy, the curtain jarkers, Satoshi Kajima defeated Eugene Nagada in the very first match on the show.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So think about that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Those two guys still wrestling every once in a while, at least Nagadas.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But I mentioned he spent most of the 90s as a

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[SPEAKER_00]: But I know he saw something in him.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He trained in MMA in the United States for a while in 2000.

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[SPEAKER_00]: This is when anokiyism was really starting to take hold.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And we use the word anokiyism a lot.

01:02:46.239 --> 01:02:48.963
[SPEAKER_00]: And we don't necessarily always say what it means.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's not an official term, meaning you can kind of make it whatever you want to make it and whatever point you're trying to make.

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[SPEAKER_00]: To me, anokiyism means

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[SPEAKER_00]: with the rise of mixed martial arts and the late 90s and early 2000s.

01:03:05.449 --> 01:03:20.286
[SPEAKER_00]: Antonio Anoki, who was always fascinated with cross-discipline fighting throughout his entire career, decided that that was the future of pro wrestling rather than traditional pro wrestling.

01:03:20.306 --> 01:03:20.606
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay?

01:03:21.908 --> 01:03:29.937
[SPEAKER_00]: For years, Anoki always wanted to put over pro wrestlers as the toughest fighter.

01:03:30.271 --> 01:03:40.867
[SPEAKER_00]: judo fighters would hire Russian Soviet wrestlers to come over and he would pay these guys to come over and lose to him in worked matches.

01:03:41.628 --> 01:03:47.457
[SPEAKER_00]: The idea being that he could say that pro wrestlers see pro wrestlers are the toughest fighters in the world.

01:03:47.517 --> 01:03:51.182
[SPEAKER_00]: That was how he felt he could best promote professional wrestling.

01:03:52.597 --> 01:04:00.768
[SPEAKER_00]: When MMA really took off, and we're talking like pride fighting championships, we're talking K-1, kickboxing became a monster attraction in the 90s.

01:04:00.788 --> 01:04:04.814
[SPEAKER_00]: UFC was starting to build a lot of momentum, and no key thought that was the future.

01:04:04.954 --> 01:04:09.640
[SPEAKER_00]: And he started mixing MMA in with pro wrestling and a damn near killed new Japan in the end.

01:04:09.660 --> 01:04:13.305
[SPEAKER_00]: It was just the, he took the wrong path in that sense.

01:04:14.197 --> 01:04:24.294
[SPEAKER_00]: But he and he sent because of Yuki Fujita over to the United States to train in MMA, him being to now, uh, uh, Yasa.

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[SPEAKER_00]: This would be temporarily the best thing that ever happened to Yasa them.

01:04:28.881 --> 01:04:30.484
[SPEAKER_00]: In 2001,

01:04:30.464 --> 01:04:35.631
[SPEAKER_00]: He had a three MMA bounce, okay?

01:04:36.072 --> 01:04:39.577
[SPEAKER_00]: Most of his year was spent training for those MMA bounce.

01:04:39.937 --> 01:04:42.741
[SPEAKER_00]: He went to K, he went one in one in K-1 Kickboxing.

01:04:43.382 --> 01:04:47.107
[SPEAKER_00]: He lost to a fighter named Renee Ruse, but he beat Jerome LeBanner.

01:04:47.147 --> 01:04:51.273
[SPEAKER_00]: Jerome LeBanner was a name MMA fighter and a K-1 guy.

01:04:51.554 --> 01:04:52.435
[SPEAKER_00]: And that's what it beat him.

01:04:53.076 --> 01:04:57.602
[SPEAKER_00]: And he also won a pride fight that year over Masaki's Satake.

01:04:57.987 --> 01:05:03.082
[SPEAKER_00]: So now he's two and one in nationally televised MMA battles.

01:05:03.102 --> 01:05:09.059
[SPEAKER_00]: That won him a lot of points with Antonio Anoki as a guy he can push as a legitimate fighter.

01:05:09.480 --> 01:05:10.022
[SPEAKER_00]: All right?

01:05:11.150 --> 01:05:15.921
[SPEAKER_00]: That year he only went nine and eight in New Japan pro wrestling match.

01:05:15.941 --> 01:05:17.505
[SPEAKER_00]: He was mostly training for MMA.

01:05:18.046 --> 01:05:23.740
[SPEAKER_00]: But he did go to the semi finals of the G1 that year, because some of those MMA fights got a nokey's attention.

01:05:23.760 --> 01:05:25.705
[SPEAKER_00]: He lost a cagey mudo in the semi finals.

01:05:26.266 --> 01:05:29.293
[SPEAKER_00]: But, I mean, this is a guy that was usually

01:05:29.510 --> 01:05:34.416
[SPEAKER_00]: in second or third match six mans until this run here.

01:05:34.436 --> 01:05:38.562
[SPEAKER_00]: He had really spent most of his career as a midcard guy.

01:05:39.663 --> 01:05:49.055
[SPEAKER_00]: And he beat Manabu Nakanishi, he beat Tetsumi Fujinami and Manoru Tanaka along the way to that semi-final match with Kiji Muto.

01:05:49.075 --> 01:05:57.306
[SPEAKER_00]: So suddenly he's beating some main Avengers and a lot of it is because he was, you know, mildly successful in MMA for that year.

01:05:58.737 --> 01:06:02.485
[SPEAKER_00]: With that in mind, Enoki Zers were perked up and he got pushed.

01:06:03.307 --> 01:06:06.835
[SPEAKER_00]: Kazuki Fujita also was the IWGPE champion.

01:06:06.895 --> 01:06:10.102
[SPEAKER_00]: He injured his Achilles and had to vacate the IWGP title.

01:06:11.305 --> 01:06:15.193
[SPEAKER_00]: There was a tournament held to fill the vacant championship.

01:06:16.118 --> 01:06:18.743
[SPEAKER_00]: And Oki backed, he asked it as a legit guy.

01:06:18.763 --> 01:06:19.805
[SPEAKER_00]: They put him in the tournament.

01:06:20.366 --> 01:06:22.189
[SPEAKER_00]: He beat Giant Silva in the first round.

01:06:22.610 --> 01:06:24.634
[SPEAKER_00]: Then he beat Masa Chono in the semis.

01:06:25.215 --> 01:06:31.547
[SPEAKER_00]: And he faced Eugene Agada February 16th, 2002 with the IWGP title on the line.

01:06:32.308 --> 01:06:34.853
[SPEAKER_00]: And he won that match.

01:06:34.833 --> 01:06:52.681
[SPEAKER_00]: In the tournament final and captured the IWGP title, this is on NJPW world, there's a little ribbon there underneath where you see most of the current cards and then, you know, there's some of the shenichi champion stuff and they have a little, a few tile park Memorial Park.

01:06:52.701 --> 01:06:53.723
[SPEAKER_00]: It's not a great match.

01:06:53.803 --> 01:06:55.626
[SPEAKER_00]: I mentioned this a little bit last week.

01:06:56.551 --> 01:06:58.934
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, and it didn't have great matches.

01:06:59.035 --> 01:07:00.577
[SPEAKER_00]: He wasn't a great pro wrestler.

01:07:00.597 --> 01:07:02.259
[SPEAKER_00]: He'd already had a long sumo career.

01:07:02.299 --> 01:07:03.701
[SPEAKER_00]: His body was beat up from that.

01:07:04.042 --> 01:07:09.029
[SPEAKER_00]: He wasn't the most athletic guy, but he was strong.

01:07:09.209 --> 01:07:12.334
[SPEAKER_00]: He was a fighter, and he could do some things.

01:07:12.434 --> 01:07:16.239
[SPEAKER_00]: But as far as just work pro wrestling and telling a story, it wasn't his thing.

01:07:16.840 --> 01:07:18.863
[SPEAKER_00]: The finish kind of comes out of nowhere in this.

01:07:19.264 --> 01:07:22.288
[SPEAKER_00]: It's Nagada's doing what he can.

01:07:22.690 --> 01:07:31.354
[SPEAKER_00]: Again, the issue with WorkDemMA, especially in the 2000s, by then we knew what real fights looked like.

01:07:31.374 --> 01:07:32.518
[SPEAKER_00]: We could see it in K1.

01:07:32.899 --> 01:07:35.546
[SPEAKER_00]: We could see it in Pride fighting.

01:07:35.847 --> 01:07:37.712
[SPEAKER_00]: We could see it in UFC.

01:07:38.705 --> 01:07:44.190
[SPEAKER_00]: After you see that, when you watch a worked MMA fight, it looks exactly like what it is.

01:07:44.570 --> 01:07:48.934
[SPEAKER_00]: Guys, hitting each other hard, but trying real hard not to injure one another.

01:07:49.335 --> 01:07:56.902
[SPEAKER_00]: You see when they're not hitting open spots that in a real fight, you would go, you know, you hit a guy in the face, you hit him in the head.

01:07:57.843 --> 01:08:01.046
[SPEAKER_00]: You can see them not doing that a lot.

01:08:01.066 --> 01:08:02.827
[SPEAKER_00]: And now that we know what a real fight looks like.

01:08:02.847 --> 01:08:03.748
[SPEAKER_00]: Does this make sense?

01:08:03.948 --> 01:08:04.789
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it does.

01:08:04.809 --> 01:08:05.910
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it does.

01:08:05.890 --> 01:08:07.412
[SPEAKER_00]: And landed with a bit of a foot.

01:08:07.432 --> 01:08:08.593
[SPEAKER_00]: There were some cows.

01:08:09.314 --> 01:08:09.615
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

01:08:10.235 --> 01:08:13.279
[SPEAKER_00]: And you can see the crowd was like, well, the guy is going to win this.

01:08:13.500 --> 01:08:14.421
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, shoot, he's not.

01:08:14.681 --> 01:08:16.203
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, like, it's the answer to it.

01:08:16.844 --> 01:08:19.667
[SPEAKER_00]: And it doesn't get the biggest response from that crowd.

01:08:19.747 --> 01:08:24.213
[SPEAKER_00]: He defended the title, once against Hero Yoshten's on in March of 2022.

01:08:24.974 --> 01:08:27.437
[SPEAKER_00]: But he ended up losing it back to Nagada in April of 2002.

01:08:27.457 --> 01:08:32.083
[SPEAKER_01]: This is part of the dark age that people talk about when it comes to life.

01:08:32.063 --> 01:08:32.964
[SPEAKER_00]: absolutely was.

01:08:33.024 --> 01:08:34.505
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, exactly right.

01:08:34.765 --> 01:08:40.831
[SPEAKER_00]: And some of these matches are there, the tens on matches there, and they got a match is there, but don't expect classics.

01:08:40.931 --> 01:08:42.412
[SPEAKER_00]: That's not what you're going to get.

01:08:42.432 --> 01:08:51.481
[SPEAKER_00]: By the way, at that Nagata match where they filled the vacated title, the young lions in the corners were Yoshitatsu and Hiroshi Tanahashi.

01:08:51.501 --> 01:08:53.202
[SPEAKER_00]: Just got a fun to see those guys down there.

01:08:54.043 --> 01:08:59.488
[SPEAKER_00]: Yoshitatsu, of course, a heel manager now with Noah and Tanahashi, of course,

01:08:59.468 --> 01:09:07.622
[SPEAKER_01]: team 2000 at which is, I don't know, tribute to Rhechomania titles from the, from the 2013 air.

01:09:08.851 --> 01:09:12.057
[SPEAKER_00]: Whatever's going on, you know, your stats is enjoying his run over there.

01:09:12.097 --> 01:09:17.206
[SPEAKER_00]: He's doing all right with that with that gimmick But 2002 was the most pushed year in wrestling.

01:09:17.286 --> 01:09:18.448
[SPEAKER_00]: He went 56 and 34.

01:09:18.768 --> 01:09:27.544
[SPEAKER_00]: He won the IWGP title and Oki, you know, had Hearts in his eyes and, you know, he was he was loving this list of times.

01:09:27.624 --> 01:09:29.146
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm gonna dollar time, I'm gonna brain.

01:09:29.607 --> 01:09:31.230
[SPEAKER_00]: And except they didn't eat in dry

01:09:32.122 --> 01:09:34.146
[SPEAKER_00]: But he stayed close to the top all year.

01:09:34.166 --> 01:09:37.091
[SPEAKER_00]: He was working with the Gata Chono 10's on a lot of the year.

01:09:37.191 --> 01:09:42.661
[SPEAKER_00]: So he went from being the guy third on the card to being in matches toward the top for the rest of the year.

01:09:42.761 --> 01:09:45.466
[SPEAKER_00]: After dropping the title, even formed a faction, the McCye club.

01:09:46.027 --> 01:09:50.856
[SPEAKER_00]: This is mostly made up of MMA guys who were in no key disciples.

01:09:50.836 --> 01:09:52.399
[SPEAKER_00]: But that only lasted a couple of months.

01:09:52.539 --> 01:09:54.943
[SPEAKER_00]: It fell flat also, again, the match just weren't great.

01:09:55.204 --> 01:09:58.690
[SPEAKER_00]: The company was not hot and it just kind of faded out.

01:09:59.151 --> 01:10:00.454
[SPEAKER_00]: And then he was back to midcard level.

01:10:00.514 --> 01:10:05.863
[SPEAKER_00]: So I talked about he had years and years of just being a number two, number three, low card guy.

01:10:06.184 --> 01:10:11.734
[SPEAKER_00]: Then suddenly the spike where he wins the IWGP title, he goes to the, he's a factor in the G1.

01:10:12.315 --> 01:10:13.317
[SPEAKER_00]: And then

01:10:13.533 --> 01:10:18.640
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, by 2004, only a couple of years later, he's back where he had been.

01:10:19.422 --> 01:10:24.849
[SPEAKER_00]: And he had also some more MMA fights in 2002 and 2003, but he lost him.

01:10:24.869 --> 01:10:25.951
[SPEAKER_00]: They were the real guys.

01:10:26.011 --> 01:10:29.296
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, he wasn't losing the putters, but he didn't lose him.

01:10:29.957 --> 01:10:32.561
[SPEAKER_00]: And in 2004, I came to an anti-left New Japan.

01:10:32.661 --> 01:10:33.482
[SPEAKER_00]: He ran.

01:10:33.985 --> 01:10:40.695
[SPEAKER_00]: like Hustle, Russell for 0-1, and he would work occasionally each year until 2011.

01:10:40.755 --> 01:10:46.944
[SPEAKER_00]: He had an independent show that was a yesterday retirement show in Cork and Hall.

01:10:48.266 --> 01:10:52.892
[SPEAKER_00]: He wrestled another former Yoko Zuna who had become a professional wrestler, Okbono.

01:10:53.473 --> 01:11:00.904
[SPEAKER_00]: Okbono was part of some of the early January fourth shows, early wrestle kingdoms and

01:11:01.897 --> 01:11:10.978
[SPEAKER_00]: and former yoke is there so they put the sumo connection and then Minoru Suzuki and Takayama MMA guys.

01:11:11.920 --> 01:11:16.444
[SPEAKER_00]: wrestled him in Shinjaro, Tony, and a tag team match, and then these were on the same night.

01:11:16.705 --> 01:11:26.575
[SPEAKER_00]: And then the final match he lost to Janita Rottenru, a pro wrestling legend who went also been a sumo before he got into pro wrestling to finish up his career.

01:11:26.615 --> 01:11:30.398
[SPEAKER_00]: About 1100 people showed up for his retirement show in 2011.

01:11:30.498 --> 01:11:37.185
[SPEAKER_00]: He'd been having a relatively quiet retirement till passing away

01:11:37.469 --> 01:11:39.793
[SPEAKER_00]: And that just happened a few days ago.

01:11:39.893 --> 01:11:47.006
[SPEAKER_00]: So that was a little bit about to now, Yasada, a guy that had a hot run, because he impressed a nokey with his MMA.

01:11:47.828 --> 01:11:55.842
[SPEAKER_00]: But other than that was basically a midcard wrestler with the odd spike up at the top, where he just took off like a rocket for a little while.

01:11:57.024 --> 01:12:02.093
[SPEAKER_01]: Give it an opportunity and the mid-old of run to be the guy and he wasn't the guy.

01:12:03.423 --> 01:12:03.884
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

01:12:04.144 --> 01:12:07.688
[SPEAKER_00]: And it wasn't the right approach that worked MMA just didn't pan out.

01:12:07.788 --> 01:12:22.886
[SPEAKER_00]: And this was the time when they were having Kojima and Eugene Agada tried to wrestle new Japan schedules and tours while training for an MMA fight in which they would get obliterated because you really can't do both at the same time.

01:12:22.926 --> 01:12:24.788
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, that didn't help anything.

01:12:25.049 --> 01:12:30.375
[SPEAKER_00]: And it really wasn't

01:12:30.355 --> 01:12:34.401
[SPEAKER_00]: Uh, which was a very painful process for New Japan pro wrestling, but had to be done.

01:12:34.942 --> 01:12:39.750
[SPEAKER_00]: They weren't danger going out of business to seem strange, but pro wrestling, no one was doing quite well at the time.

01:12:40.671 --> 01:12:43.455
[SPEAKER_00]: All Japan was struggling because everybody had left a form, noah.

01:12:44.076 --> 01:12:46.861
[SPEAKER_00]: But, uh, it, it was, it dark times.

01:12:46.941 --> 01:12:54.152
[SPEAKER_00]: Like he said, dark time, it really wasn't until Shinsuke Nakamura, Hiroshita Nahashi, Katsuri Shibata.

01:12:54.132 --> 01:13:09.892
[SPEAKER_00]: Uh, go to, uh, in, in a way, you know, that group of guys came to that Registration became uh, and, and became, and, and, and re-dedicated the company to a traditional pro wrestling storytelling and drop the mixed MMA stuff.

01:13:09.912 --> 01:13:13.897
[SPEAKER_00]: And, yeah, even time to Hashie had to do some of it at the very beginning of his career.

01:13:14.839 --> 01:13:21.287
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, once they got past all that, uh, things turned around for the better, but, and no key was just convinced that,

01:13:23.258 --> 01:13:29.640
[SPEAKER_00]: Mort traditional pro wrestling was gonna fade out with MMA nearby.

01:13:30.464 --> 01:13:31.405
[SPEAKER_00]: It wasn't the case.

01:13:31.585 --> 01:13:36.151
[SPEAKER_00]: We know that now, but it was a very real fear in Japan because I may have taken over.

01:13:36.191 --> 01:13:50.650
[SPEAKER_00]: I remember in the in the 90s and the late 90s, especially early 2000s, on New Year's Eve and New Year's Day, there would be all of these K1 Tokyo dome pride fighting in the Nagoya dome.

01:13:50.690 --> 01:13:55.476
[SPEAKER_00]: It seems like every show was in front of a packed stadium full of people.

01:13:55.827 --> 01:13:57.251
[SPEAKER_00]: It did look like the future.

01:13:57.492 --> 01:13:59.116
[SPEAKER_00]: It did look like where things were going.

01:13:59.276 --> 01:14:03.949
[SPEAKER_00]: But it was MMA that didn't have the shelf life in Japan.

01:14:04.029 --> 01:14:06.917
[SPEAKER_00]: And while MMA is still a sport there,

01:14:07.471 --> 01:14:11.137
[SPEAKER_00]: I'd say boxing, traditional boxing is bigger now than that.

01:14:11.338 --> 01:14:16.967
[SPEAKER_00]: I might be wrong about that, but certainly pro wrestling recovered and became what it was again.

01:14:17.007 --> 01:14:29.108
[SPEAKER_00]: And we're not seeing things like K-1 and Pride, of course those companies were eaten up, but the idea of that massive Tokyo dome show on New Year's Eve with the entire country watching.

01:14:29.223 --> 01:14:33.677
[SPEAKER_00]: Those, those states are done and MMA didn't make it at that level in New Japan for very long.

01:14:33.777 --> 01:14:39.234
[SPEAKER_00]: So New Japan and traditional pro wrestling sort of outlasted that fad.

01:14:40.237 --> 01:14:41.882
[SPEAKER_00]: And but Anoki was

01:14:42.048 --> 01:15:09.270
[SPEAKER_00]: on a swell company up with it and it's funny though one of the all-time great promoters just couldn't get past that and and and it took moving him out of the company really before New Japan was able to recover thankfully it did but yesterday one of the symbols of uh and okism and frankly why it why it didn't work it was a guy with not a lot of charisma not a lot of working ability trying to be the top guy and worked matches just bad formula.

01:15:10.077 --> 01:15:14.307
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm gonna go sideways on you a little bit on here.

01:15:14.327 --> 01:15:21.565
[SPEAKER_01]: In the middle of this explanation that you kind of reminded me, did you ever see the smashing machine?

01:15:22.507 --> 01:15:23.369
[SPEAKER_00]: I never saw the movie.

01:15:23.409 --> 01:15:24.171
[SPEAKER_00]: No.

01:15:24.387 --> 01:15:37.968
[SPEAKER_01]: So what they did was try and film and create an aesthetic of the late 1990s, early 2000s and a lot of it is a Japan.

01:15:38.809 --> 01:15:52.470
[SPEAKER_01]: And so you are almost exposed to what the aesthetic of the pride fighting MMA culture was in Japan.

01:15:52.990 --> 01:16:04.408
[SPEAKER_01]: New Japan with trying to go after when you're watching it because there's there's a lot of similarity and a lot of like adjacent parallels to the presentation there.

01:16:05.070 --> 01:16:15.927
[SPEAKER_01]: So if you if you really want to see that watch the smashing machine because there's a lot of footage that they shot that proposed to convey that time in Japan.

01:16:17.780 --> 01:16:22.150
[SPEAKER_00]: It was there was a time when those guys were some of the biggest sports stars in the whole country.

01:16:22.571 --> 01:16:23.653
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

01:16:23.733 --> 01:16:24.054
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

01:16:24.154 --> 01:16:24.835
[SPEAKER_00]: Those guys.

01:16:25.096 --> 01:16:25.757
[SPEAKER_00]: They were exciting.

01:16:25.778 --> 01:16:28.103
[SPEAKER_00]: They always had spectacular knockouts because of the rules.

01:16:29.385 --> 01:16:36.902
[SPEAKER_00]: And, you know, I watched him, I traded for those tapes too, you know, and felt like it's acceptable all the time.

01:16:36.962 --> 01:16:37.864
[SPEAKER_01]: It's a little bit.

01:16:37.844 --> 01:16:39.086
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, well, let's see.

01:16:39.106 --> 01:16:40.529
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, well, let's see.

01:16:40.549 --> 01:17:00.308
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, like the the rule weren't quite in place and one of the one of the subplugs in the whole movie is going to legal move being used to win a match and, you know, they're like, well, you're still on whatever and you know, now that that wouldn't have flow, you know, like you would have been real to know content, but, you know, just

01:17:00.288 --> 01:17:09.059
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, the wild west and rulemaking, making it up if they go almost, it felt like with the MMA going on in Pride FC at the time.

01:17:09.079 --> 01:17:15.046
[SPEAKER_00]: They also incorporate a lot of flashbang and the entrances were spectacular.

01:17:15.266 --> 01:17:18.090
[SPEAKER_00]: It made everybody feel like a really huge deal.

01:17:18.490 --> 01:17:24.357
[SPEAKER_00]: It was, there's the one thing that I'm always puzzled that UFC doesn't do more of.

01:17:24.457 --> 01:17:27.561
[SPEAKER_00]: UFC, they just kind of walk out of a tunnel.

01:17:27.541 --> 01:17:29.304
[SPEAKER_00]: down an aisle into the octagon.

01:17:29.384 --> 01:17:31.167
[SPEAKER_00]: You can't say that it's not working for USC.

01:17:31.227 --> 01:17:36.915
[SPEAKER_00]: It's a very, you know, very successful company, but I always wondered why they didn't do more with their ring entrances.

01:17:36.975 --> 01:17:49.735
[SPEAKER_00]: If you watch, if you watch boxing from Europe, those big shows, like there's, you know, lie bands and then pyro and guys on risers being lifted high up above, being able with

01:17:49.715 --> 01:17:58.211
[SPEAKER_00]: fireworks coming out before they're lowered down to the stage and always we'll see this is the most important thing in the world and that's what pride and K1 did very, very well.

01:17:58.432 --> 01:18:03.561
[SPEAKER_00]: They made their guys feel like a big deal and New Japan does good entrances.

01:18:03.622 --> 01:18:05.485
[SPEAKER_00]: Now we've seen some really good ones over the years.

01:18:05.806 --> 01:18:06.908
[SPEAKER_00]: They figured that part out.

01:18:07.148 --> 01:18:07.729
[SPEAKER_00]: They took that.

01:18:08.691 --> 01:18:11.757
[SPEAKER_00]: Because if you look at like pro wrestling in the 90s in Japan,

01:18:12.327 --> 01:18:28.210
[SPEAKER_01]: It's guys walking down an aisle and they know they're there no ramps no big I don't I don't know if there's anyone in U of C that have the imagination to pull that off because I think you're either all fighters they're not show man they're not performer.

01:18:28.190 --> 01:18:37.225
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean, the fighters weren't doing anything like, if you have seen now, you know, like those fighters, they're coming out of their locker room and they're locked in on that fight.

01:18:37.345 --> 01:18:47.642
[SPEAKER_01]: And for all of a sudden, if they're like, oh, yeah, I'm supposed to perform some little like thing that it would be a culture shock crowd behind me before I can lock in and beat this other guy.

01:18:47.782 --> 01:18:51.548
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's just I feel like there were probably some like,

01:18:52.372 --> 01:18:58.142
[SPEAKER_01]: like no fun day fighters just put put the stop to that real quickly.

01:18:58.463 --> 01:19:01.368
[SPEAKER_01]: No, I'm going out there to fight, and I'm not going to be anyone's clown.

01:19:02.610 --> 01:19:03.211
[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe that's true.

01:19:03.712 --> 01:19:04.033
[SPEAKER_00]: All right.

01:19:04.093 --> 01:19:05.796
[SPEAKER_00]: So that's our look at the today.

01:19:05.816 --> 01:19:08.400
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so that is our looking fantastic, community and night one.

01:19:08.440 --> 01:19:11.005
[SPEAKER_00]: Anything else from you, Jeremy, before we wrap this one up today?

01:19:11.660 --> 01:19:19.812
[SPEAKER_01]: No, I wish you a lovely, lovely exercise and consuming international sporting events.

01:19:20.553 --> 01:19:21.915
[SPEAKER_00]: And we got a few days left.

01:19:22.535 --> 01:19:29.966
[SPEAKER_01]: And I will continue to watch some fantastic wrestling and converge back here in a week with you.

01:19:30.507 --> 01:19:32.149
[SPEAKER_00]: All right, once again.

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[SPEAKER_00]: By the time we come back in the next week, we'll have several shows from the Fantess Commandia Tour to talk about, and we will have New Japan USA to preview plus any other news that comes up in the meantime.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I want to thank everybody that joined us here live.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Everybody that listens to this later, either on YouTube or as a podcast, we really appreciate your time.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And we're going to wrap this one up for Jeremy Findsson.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm Stephen Conway.

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[SPEAKER_00]: This has been Speaking of Strong Style, and we'll talk to you again, Wilson.