NJPW Cup & Anniversary Review: Why New Japan is in a Malaise | Speaking of Strong Style

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[SPEAKER_00]: The New Japan Cup is underway.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And well, that's about all we can really say about it, isn't it?

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's been an interesting week in a strange way.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The shows that we've seen not the best wrestling.

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[SPEAKER_00]: However, if you look at the bracket, there are some very promising matchups to come.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Were these the vegetables we had to eat before we get the dessert so to speak?

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[SPEAKER_00]: We'll talk about that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We're also going to look at the anniversary show,

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[SPEAKER_00]: which is a pretty good avatar for the state of New Japan pro wrestling right now.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Jeremy also attended AEW Dynamite last night.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We'll discuss that and look ahead to what is hopefully a more energetic week ahead for New Japan pro wrestling with some better matchups.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We can hope anyway, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: With Jeremy Feinstein, I'm Stephen Conway.

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[SPEAKER_00]: This is Speaking of Strongstyle.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Welcome everyone to Speaking of Strong Style, where we discuss the news, issues and events around a New Japan pro wrestling.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Jeremy, I was very happy to see that you got to go to AEW last night, and we have been plowing through these shows for a New Japan for the last week.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And there's plenty to talk about, but...

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[SPEAKER_00]: I wanted to start with you.

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[SPEAKER_00]: First of all, good to see you again.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Been a while.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I was off last week.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And I thought we would talk about what you thought of everything while that you played catch up with and everything that you managed to watch and the marathon of.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Shall we say.

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[SPEAKER_02]: cafeteria level offerings for the for the for the last week or so if you've been catching up.

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[SPEAKER_02]: How are you?

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[SPEAKER_02]: How was your cruise?

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm all right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It was very nice to watch.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That was very nice.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not able to watch anything when I'm on on the sea.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I

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[SPEAKER_00]: I did not see a thing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I had to cram if you want to go with the cafeteria thing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'll stick with the school metaphor and say that I had to cram for this week.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I had to watch everything that had gone on while I was away and then pick up this week's stuff.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm way behind on Marigold and all Japan and all that stuff, but I'll be working toward it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But it didn't see anything all over the way.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Had a bit of a break.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There is an interesting thing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I saw though, Jeremy, there is a very popular and very highly rated, short excursion that all of the cruise lines do in Casamel, Mexico, where it is a luchilebore experience.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And they will pick you up from the cruise port, take you to this little building where they have created a sort of mini wrestling arena, and they give you a little primer, I mean, I didn't do this myself, because I looked at who was working there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I hadn't heard of anybody and I thought, well, I don't know if I want to see.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know if I want to see this.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I would have been a great way for you to like tear them all down.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's like, yeah,

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[SPEAKER_00]: When people go there, they give you a little primer.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They sit down in these little rena seats that they have of pointing at a ring.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's kind of open air, you know, it's not, it's one of those things where it's a structure.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's covered.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There's a roof, but sort of the walls are open, so to speak.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But that's Casino.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's fine.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The weather's great there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And you sit and you watch a little luchely, brace show and they tell you, well, these are the bad guys.

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[SPEAKER_00]: These are the good guys.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You want to boo these guys and share these guys and they help you out with the rules and things.

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[SPEAKER_00]: from the clips I saw, they actually sort of kick it into about third gear at one point.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There's a lot of Gaga, of course.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There's a lot of silliness and all the characters are over the top even for Lucia Libre, and it looks like once they kick in though, there are guys that are pretty well trained and know how to at least put on a bit of a Lucia Libre show with some

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[SPEAKER_00]: people that go to this thing seem to love it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So something to keep in mind, folks, favorite and cosmomell, there is actually a loochily-brake experience that you can do.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Looks like it goes on every single day.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They put this on for whatever cruise ships are important.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm sure they will be happy to take your money if you're just visiting cosmomell at one of the hotels and let you go and see it as well.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But there's that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The other loochily-brainfulness I saw is just about every souvenir stand there is, has some loochamas.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I get myself into a bit of a snit every time I do this because I'm looking for real ones and I have a bunch of real ones.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I've shown them on the show.

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[SPEAKER_02]: They're not going to be real there, even.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, what I mean is like actual wrestlers, not they're not the authentic ones that you can buy outside of Arena Mexico.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They're knockoffs of those.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, I think like the wrestlers that actually work at that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's, well, it's exhausting Jeremy because you go in there and you just say, you know, like, like, luchelibrary mass must got a deluchelibrary.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And they start pointing at all of this trash that has NFL logos on it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, like, because they think you want to be the guy with your shirt off and the NFL luchelmass to get on TV like at every, there's some of those buffoons that every NFL game, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: I like, no, no, no, no, you know, authentic one.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So, you know,

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[SPEAKER_00]: not friggin' naturally for, you know, I don't want the thing from the Jack Black movie.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm trying to find, and I start naming guys and then their faces go blank because they don't know who they are.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I'm just like, you know, I would love to get a Vienna Tercerra mask.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's really what I've been looking for.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And every once in a while, I'll find one guy, the kind of knows who the wrestlers are.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I like, do you have Mystico, for instance, they pointed at one with a big M on it?

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's Milmaschorus.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I know who the guys are, is like,

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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't try to bull-crab me with this stuff, you know what I'm talking about here, like, uh, I always go back to that episode of Parkton Rec, we're on Swagkittic in the Home Depot and, uh, he's very knowledgeable carpenter and somebody comes up to it and says, can I help you only just go, I know more than you.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: that's how I feel there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's how I feel there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I know I'm shopping in the wrong place.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's a tourist port.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They're doing what sells.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, far more people are going to buy a loose a mask with the Dallas Cowboy star on it and try and then the turn is going to be that's got to be in the hundred the authenticity and the amount of math that roll through there versus how many like what actually would be authentic.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I just need to, I need to someday go to Mexico City and do the Friday night show.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then I can add all the masks I could possibly want.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and more.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so someday that's gonna happen.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But in the meantime, you know how to do this, Steven.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm doomed to frustrate.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I know.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I go to Japan.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I know how to find the real stuff.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's not in, it's not in Cosmo.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I am doomed myself to frustration every single time.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Uh, before we go forward, there's no wrong answer on this one.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Did you happen to listen or watch our episode for the last week?

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[SPEAKER_02]: I did.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_02]: No, I guess we'll go forward to it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I just want to make sure if we run anything back, whether you already nor not.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But real quick, I just want to shout out a quick thank you to Chris Sam, so who gave up for two hours of this time.

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[SPEAKER_02]: for us to just bullshit about Aaron Wolff and various other topics and you know booking out showed us eventual path for the year.

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[SPEAKER_02]: All this kind of thing really appreciated having him on and we'll have them on again soon.

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[SPEAKER_00]: All right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, definitely appreciate Chris.

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[SPEAKER_00]: My only regret is that I wasn't on with Chris because I enjoy talking to him so much so well, hopefully have him back as I guess with both of us before too much longer.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So Jeremy, in the meantime, you attended AEW Dynamite last time.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Can you tell us a little bit about that?

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[SPEAKER_02]: Well, uh, first they've been to practice this with if you ever listen to wrestling Observer, uh, Dave Melker would always talk that you don't watch a new Japan show before you watch a WWE show.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And I look like it's funny because Dave Maltre was the reason I got to go to the show after he got tickets and I got to sit with him until I wanted to publicly thank him for inviting me along for that show.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It was a delightful evening in which we sat in the corner pocket of the ring side area and many, many records perated them so around Dave if you get their attention.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Like, Peacock's showing their heat.

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[SPEAKER_02]: He cocking, if it's exactly the word that I would use, Steven.

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[SPEAKER_02]: The one most egregious would be one Don Callis.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Second most would be Andrade, but I did not mind any of that.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It was an enjoyable time.

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[SPEAKER_02]: There was one moment where the gun brother who is not injured was all in the ring apron before the match started.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And I pinged him staring at dagger at Dave

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[SPEAKER_02]: And so I start staring a dagger at him and so he nods over to me and he just nods ahead of like yeah I'm doing exactly what you think I'm doing and then like the match gets going and nothing ever happened but it was just one of those like one of those I want you to know that I know who that is and I was just like

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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, cool, cool, good job dude, yeah, we're proud of you.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Uh, dog talent popped me when he came over and said, oh my god, if you're better than all that crap and Montreal is like, I was like, what does that even mean?

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[SPEAKER_02]: What does that mean?

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[SPEAKER_02]: Like you didn't whisper to that to us and I was like, what does that even mean?

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[SPEAKER_02]: Dude, you're like, I don't know.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I was like, that's kind of bothering me for all time.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Montreal, the only thing I think he's not, he's not, what would he be talking about?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Don't.

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[SPEAKER_00]: If you're talking about the screen, if you're talking about the screwdriver, whatever that was 30 years ago, get over it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I think he would generally get something to fuck with us.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Like he would just like to give you a sense.

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[SPEAKER_02]: He would fit to have come to the things that you couldn't see on screen when he kicked.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Master Dorada, he complained that he heard his knuckle trying to catch the desk and then was showing the referee that like went and the doctor that one knuckle was lower than the rest and then maybe it was broken and then the match needed to be like

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[SPEAKER_02]: But the interesting thing was, here Stephen, there were so much New Japan talent on this show.

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[SPEAKER_02]: People that I've seen on these New Japan shows sent Wrestle Kingdom, I saw David Finley.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I saw Cart Conner, I saw Gabe Kid, I saw Ocada, I saw Takeshida, I saw Andrade, you know?

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[SPEAKER_02]: I saw Master Dorada who was all over the MLL.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Like these guys are lighting it up and putting together a great show.

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[SPEAKER_02]: in front of hundreds and hundreds of people in front of 2,000 people.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But they're not in New Japan and it does bum me out.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You know what I mean?

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[SPEAKER_02]: Like these are all guys that like we're doing a great job over there and now you know like secret out like in front of hundreds of water admitted like thinly the good retroer and he's going to succeed in a unique.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Hundreds of people in person and thousands more watching on television.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Um, but I thought it was a fun show.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I know it's not your cup of tea, but I thought that, uh, that crowd of electric last night, they were up for everything, even the stuff that wasn't really that good.

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[SPEAKER_02]: They were still there for it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And I, uh, and I commend them for that.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Ricochet got,

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[SPEAKER_02]: tons of heat.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Those are three other guys.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Ricochet and Gates and Agony were on niche vent shows recently.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So it's just more people that they're using that, you know, to supplement the niche fan product.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Anyways, I thought it was a great time and the reason I brought up that point about Dave talking about WWE before after a niche fan show is.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Man, I had to watch that new Japan cup show this morning after the day he done you show up today.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And um, there was some stuff on there that I liked, uh, but if we were talking before this show really started, this is, there is sent to Alps as a popcorn in an 18 Alps back.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's we're going to get into it more as we go through the results of the past week, but there is a malaise right now, they're just flat out as yeah and we'll talk about how I compared it to last year as well because it was bothering me so much share me I actually went back and looked at my notes.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I always do my notes and I do it, I hand write my notes in notebooks.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I just feel like I retain the information better.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I've tried it on computers and I feel like it's very ephemeral if I just type it in and save it into a file.

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[SPEAKER_00]: If I write it for some reason, it sticks in my head a little more permanent.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I suppose.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so I went back and looked through my notebooks for last year's New Japan Cup, and later on the show, I want to talk about a little bit about what I read there, compared to what I'm putting down this year.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Fernando Ziasis here, I'm going to see you Fernando.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Thank you for joining us.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He has a question for you, Jeremy.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And, well, both of us really, but he said, to finally make the right move going to AEW.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Did he make the right decision?

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[SPEAKER_00]: And he said, the dog is a stupid name.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, yes it is.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It is War Hounds taken.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, I don't know about that.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I would think it very wise not to use the word war in any way shape or form on a wrestling program right now.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I'm agreeing with you on that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And just like the word bullet doesn't need to be where it's in, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's just a little weird now.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But not weird, excuse me, just a little bit, we've moved along from that, I think, and hopefully in wrestling.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But he's asking, he did finally make the right decision going to AEW.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's financially, I'm almost sure he did.

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[SPEAKER_00]: there's almost no question that he would make more money in AEW than he would in in New Japan right now between you know the New Japan's finances the economy in Japan.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's closer to home.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's got a young child Chris talked about this a little bit that last week that his kid Chris SAMHSA's kid and David Finlay's kid very similar in age and

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[SPEAKER_00]: Do probably wants to be home.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So if he is home more and making more money, then I have to say it probably made the correct decision for him and his family

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[SPEAKER_02]: Fernando, I'm going to start talking, but while I'm talking, I want you to clarify something for me.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Are you asking if Finley made the right decision going to AEW instead of staying in New Japan or going to WWE or if the only two options were going to AEW and WWE?

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[SPEAKER_02]: Because I'm going to start talking and I'm just going to cover trying to cover all the basis here.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I think Finley, if he was able to be paid enough money, would have gladly stayed in

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[SPEAKER_02]: So he came to WWE, I believe TNA, and he came to AEW, and they all gave him offers for my understanding.

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[SPEAKER_02]: WWE really lowballed him like they didn't they didn't offer a whole lot of money and you know they offer that opportunity one day having a WrestleMania moment and you could see that there was bones of something that's booked to happen in NXT where he was going to be something with his brother Alexis King Ariana who is a Centino's daughter and her fiance.

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[SPEAKER_00]: that second generation.

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[SPEAKER_02]: That second generation faction was there was things going on that that was kind of designed to be.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You can see fit thinly and David's thinly, both kind of like jaw-jacking about it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Trying to make a work into a work.

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[SPEAKER_02]: They're not bad at each other, but you know, just trying to put a little steam on something that doesn't really matter.

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[SPEAKER_02]: do I think he made the right decision?

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, I do.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Um, I think thinly is a very good wrestler.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I think thinly and rude.

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[SPEAKER_02]: A sense of spite and hatred as a wrestler that it actually kind of lacking in the top levels of AEW.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You have cool wrestlers.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You have like bad guy wrestlers with a little bit of you know that you still want to like kind of thing.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You have like Kyle Fletcher who's a bad guy, but he's.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Like, yo, you want to like him so much.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You can't wait for that day that he like he went to the big one or he turned like he has everything behind that fan favorite, but he's writing out that that cool bad guy face.

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[SPEAKER_02]: None of that exists with David Simley.

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[SPEAKER_02]: He's polished, he's ready to go.

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[SPEAKER_02]: He is just a bad guy, you know, Gabe Kid.

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[SPEAKER_02]: He's over there, court corner if they're over there.

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[SPEAKER_02]: They both have their special talent, but while I would argue Gabe Kid and Zoom,

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[SPEAKER_02]: a crazy factor.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And I'm sorry for using the word crazy, you know, like a lunatic, just kind of fringe, madman thing, thinly drifted good, like I said earlier, spite and hatred.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And those are two key things that you need to have as a bad guy that you don't care, like you've got to hurt you.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And if you get turned to the meantime, that's fine.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You still have MJF as a cowardly heal,

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[SPEAKER_02]: that pure thing.

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[SPEAKER_02]: He has an opportunity to thrive there and it may not be next month.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It may not be the end of 2026.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But we're all going to be talking at some point about the fact that Tim Lee is more of a success than a lot of people imagined when he came in there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: All right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And Jeremy Moore has a question by the way, because we mentioned we mentioned the Montreal screwdriver earlier.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We'll get told that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He said,

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[SPEAKER_00]: for going forward.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, and it's too, Jeremy, it's too much to litigate here on the hour and a half podcast, but he's just saying, you know, he has a theory on why I've been stood the screw job.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not totally sure.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Our new track, something that's run at the over today with various topics.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Why did he do it?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, what was there was a a very, very quickly.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, there's a confluence of events that happened in Montreal where, you know, the thing with Brett Hart and Vince was going south.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He had signed him to a huge contract and then Vince had buyers remorse and didn't want to pay it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He had

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[SPEAKER_00]: Sean Michaels at the height of his diva era refusing to cooperate mostly with just about any of the booking and refusing to lose to Brett and basically just being a little snot constantly that was doing nothing because in problems, but Vince was in love with them and just couldn't get away from him.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There was Brett.

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[SPEAKER_00]: having creative control, which is a bone of contention and not wanting to lose in Canada and Vince being pissed at him because he didn't want to lose a the way he wanted to lose it because Vince had this.

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[SPEAKER_00]: thing for Sean Michaels that he just wanted it to be Sean even though all evidence was the Sean wasn't a draw.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It was crazy and it's too much to get into here, but it was a perfect storm of bad decisions that all of just kind of hit all at once.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And Jim Kornett made the faithful comment of just take it off of him if you know what and not having any clue or any thought that he would actually flip and do it.

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[UNKNOWN]: And

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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, sometimes I wish I could teleport myself back to that time and make myself invisible and just kind of have that God view that narrator view of the whole things I just want to watch.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Gerald Briscoe trying to teach Sean some wrestling holds in a hotel room the night before the Sean.

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[SPEAKER_00]: was a weanie and still is a good fight Brett and couldn't do anything about it without somebody cooperating.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I just love the idea that Gerald Briscoe is trying to teach this little weanie how to wrestle.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's just the whole thing is just a a confluence of bizarre events that led up.

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[SPEAKER_00]: everybody acting like an idiot at once and they absolutely should have just done an easy disqualification finish which they did all the time back then take it back to the United States let bread drop it then and instead everybody just decided to pout and cross their arms and frown each other and so they did what they did and it was it was just nuts.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Brett Hart was not at Brett Hart was not in the wrong here.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We're not going to do it here for an end of that.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Can I just throw something in here.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, going.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So hypothetically speaking.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm already making myself laugh.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I helped try to phrase this.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, and then click man had shame.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, this big man felt guilty about things that he has done.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I do not believe, and this is a wide range of number here.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I do not believe that this specific incident in his life.

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[SPEAKER_02]: manage if to crack anything other than a double digit number in his life.

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[SPEAKER_02]: There are probably some more between 10 and 50 other things that he's done that we don't know about and that have real estate in his head more than this does.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And so I don't think about it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't think if he has shame or not because

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[SPEAKER_02]: We all know that like we'd be litigating all the terrible things.

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[SPEAKER_02]: He's done all the terror like all like all the way He screwed people with also after like when again all the good things that he's done if if that like mitigate bad And it just one of those like he just doesn't it doesn't matter to him So I don't know like yeah, I don't think he can

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I don't think it is either.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But, you know, that to be clear, though, Brett didn't refuse to do business.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, I don't can't.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I didn't have the contract for a right not to do that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Finish if he didn't want to.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The whole thing was just goofy thing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: goofy thing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Uh, all right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Anyway, enough about Montreal Street there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There are literally documentaries about that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You can go watch.

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[SPEAKER_00]: No, that is just a mess.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Carl, I figured I'd approach it that way that I just like, I don't think for everything that you've done in a life.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It's just whatever.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I don't even make the top 10 anymore, really.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Done.

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[SPEAKER_00]: No, yeah, but anyway, I guess we should talk about New Japan now.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We've avoided it long enough.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Do we have 10 good matches from New Japan to make a top 10 for us?

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[SPEAKER_00]: And from the cup, absolutely not.

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[SPEAKER_02]: No, I mean, like up to up to now, do we have like a good top 10, like quality matches?

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[SPEAKER_02]: I think we might just have about 10 really good matches from the start of the year.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, from the start of the year, yeah, we could probably come up with 10, we could probably come up with 10 if we wanted to.

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[SPEAKER_02]: He had more by the middle of March, you know, oh, boy, all right.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So yeah, Jeremy, yeah, I don't have to worry about it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like he's apologizing in the chat for setting us off on that, but no, that's fine.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's fine.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's it's it's it's it's it's just one of those things where if anybody had their head on straight, but everybody was mad at everybody and nobody had their head on straight.

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[SPEAKER_00]: and bad decisions were made across the board.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's perfect confluence of silliness and pettiness and childishness that all came together in one big pie that night.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Probably a strangest night or wrestling I've ever washed.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I was kind of aware.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The weird things were happening when the show started.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Did you ever remember that one at all?

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[SPEAKER_00]: And were you around 97 for that?

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[SPEAKER_02]: I woke it, but I woke up.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I woke up at the arena when TM Punk and the young Bugs got into a fight.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So that one, that one, go down for me as my wife.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Isn't it funny how sometimes you can just sense that stuff?

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[SPEAKER_00]: even when you're not in the back, there's something weird that if you're aware of it, if you kind of know the background, because leading up to that, there was something in the air, and then that whole night was bizarre.

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[SPEAKER_02]: That whole time, that's how it would be for a long time.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Like, oh, I'll peel the curtain back.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It was really hard to know a lot of the stuff that like went down and just feel like people wanted to talk to me about it, because I was so close to what happened.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And we are very, very angry.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Anyway, okay.

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[SPEAKER_00]: New Japan this week had several shows, including the one that we're going to start with here, which is the 54th anniversary show at the Odo Ward gymnasium.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The first thing to note here is that it featured the junior heavyweight championships on top and you brought this up a little bit with Chris last week that this is a departure from what they normally do and it felt a little bit like a lesser line up overall for this one.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Not that the junior heavyweight wrestlers, we saw terrific tag team title match.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That was very, very good and I knew it would be.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But it didn't feel like there was a lot of heft to this card.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Certainly not for an anniversary type of show.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They usually have something pretty big for this.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And they didn't this year.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It was that they've done these types of shows at Corican Hall before.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The tag team titles and the junior title on top.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And they did it here for the anniversary show.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They drew 2,949.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's down about 400 from last year.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And

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[SPEAKER_00]: I can't say I blame him.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It was not the most loaded card, but there were a couple of good things on it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The undercard was very unremarkable.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Was there anything from that undercard before we get to the New Japan Cup first round matches that you thought was worth mentioning, Jeremy?

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[SPEAKER_02]: No, it was, can we put you know, I'll be showed up?

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, you know, if you're,

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[SPEAKER_02]: If you're a fan of seeing a guy that showed up once or twice a year and just kind of seeing what he looked like and he showed up and he was there, he was a guy, but that's really like the only footnote I can really add to what it was, you know.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And he has a company of his own now called Tradition, with the DRAG, because in Dragon.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And Leona, one of the other wrestlers in that show is a son, his Fujianami son.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So, of course, the connection here is that Fujianami was in the first ever, New Japan match, which was also an older word, 54 years ago, and there he is out there in the ring.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But,

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[SPEAKER_00]: leads to another point, by the way, is that he had that match when he was 18 years old and now we're going to get to the new young lion who isn't young or particularly new.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And just goes to show you the Tetsumi food genami, they were putting him in the ring at 18.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I suppose some of that was part of the desperation at the time, Stu, starting up a brand new company from scratch.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And we're bodied, buddy.

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[SPEAKER_00]: need bodies, but it turned out okay for Tatsumi Fujianami pretty impressive though to think I talked about this with my girlfriend when we were watching the show is like after that match was over with right I said think about that for a second if we just stop right now and they were kind of between matches like Fujianami has been in the first.

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[SPEAKER_00]: and the final New Japan match as it stands right until the next one goes in the ring right and they're 54 years apart.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's crazy.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's just crazy.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's still going out there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Still training guys too up.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But here are my notes, Jeremy, very quickly.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I just had for the tag team match, Drillamoloni and Nagai and we don't need to put up graphics.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm just making a point here.

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[SPEAKER_00]: My only note for this one, Drillacilla.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Next one.

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[SPEAKER_00]: was in an eight-man tag that it featured Tetsuya Matsumoto and I wrote Matsumoto was good, not much else happened.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Akira beat him.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's one.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Geto and Udo Ice versus Zach Saber Jr. Rio Heo Iwai.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Geto versus Zach was actually fun.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Zach rolled up geto.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Next, Mash.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Shingo and Yota Suji the world you need me for why am I even here.

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[SPEAKER_00]: No, but here's my point.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There's nothing to this thing because my next note my next note was Jean Blaster nothing to it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Over no, we're talking about a four minute match a five minute match a seven minute match a five minute match.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Why these are when when we're running it down these are these are televised house show matches.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I felt like it's the anniversary show.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And this all feels like well, we have to be here and we have to do this.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We finally got to the New Japan Cup matches.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We mentioned the Food Genami match.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And they had his son get beat by pictures by usual talk of, oh, she, that's pretty ignomaneous.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But we moved on to the...

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[SPEAKER_00]: Cup matches.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Now we already had a couple of first round matches.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so this was the New Japan Cup matches on the anniversary show.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Tom talks rubbish is here.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Hey, Tom, good to look forward to doing, I'm looking forward to doing, I'm looking forward.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm doing that show on Sunday Jeremy.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm doing the show with him.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to record it on Sunday anyway.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It'll be out soon.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I'm very much looking forward to that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then New Japan Cup first round, Jake Lee and Yoshi Hashie.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And this is one of about 14 minutes.

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[SPEAKER_00]: uh... jakily beat him with that chance to each other holdy has there were the referee stops the match it wasn't bad but exactly what we kind of figured Jeremy they're going to put over jakily in this situation you know she has she's a kind of guy who can lose a match like this and when about as we suspected the lot that goes match jakily had with for the i'd w g p j p j the next match he'll get a half he'll get a winner and i'll get a bit like yeah okay all right

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[SPEAKER_02]: I feel like Jake we slaughtered in Zach who where he needed to be right now like he's the breath of not fresh air I guess like when he comes in it just kind of like the whole like perception of the show just kind of shift to like whatever Jake we're doing and then everybody else in the ring with him so I felt like Yoshi Hashi was

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[SPEAKER_02]: doing it best to do a jake we match, but I'm not even sure what a jake we match is.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So it was there.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I didn't think much of it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And I think I think jake we have the purpose in this, but I'm not sure what the purpose is.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We might find out this week.

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[SPEAKER_00]: When it comes to that, but the next one was another member of the United Empire, Callon Newman and Oscar.

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[SPEAKER_00]: This was a pretty much forgone conclusion.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think it would have been pretty

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[SPEAKER_00]: decision in this one, but it was good in spots.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And in fact, the stuff where they fought around ringside was pretty good.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And a lot of it is the athleticism of Newman, who threw himself over more rows of chairs than I'm used to seeing that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We could throw it over.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That was impressive.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's a good athlete.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And he got a little bit.

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[SPEAKER_00]: out of that, which not everybody does well with the ring side fighting, but he did and threw it like a bowling ball and they were like everywhere.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You just watched him just take them all out and then you just got back up and kept wrestling and like cut the board.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, the thing that struck me about it was the fans are used to this stuff because it seems to be a trope now in Japanese wrestling especially there and somebody's going to fight in the crowd at some point knock over a bunch of chairs and it's very repetitive and it's the same old thing but the live crowd seem to get a kick out of it and they are used to a guy going over three maybe four rows.

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[SPEAKER_00]: and that's about it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So the people in the back of the section tend to back up but not necessarily moved to the side and they almost got a wet full account of Newman because he damn you're got to them all the way back.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You went a long way.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it was good.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That part was good.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The match once it got back in the ring was fine.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Austria's a perfectly capable wrestler here, but

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[SPEAKER_00]: everyone knew how this was going to turn out and they threw in Zane J getting a bit of a distraction so that Kalmanuma could hit X caliber and move on.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It would have been weird.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Had he not.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I think they have big plans for him.

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[SPEAKER_02]: They're going to be a, he's threatening at the upper midcard until eventually he'd be a cost brand.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And then he'd be kind of like threatening in the title scene over the course of like 20, 27.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I feel like that's his general trajectory.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But I think it's a statement if he gets at least to the final four.

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[SPEAKER_02]: He could go to the final two.

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[SPEAKER_02]: He could win the whole thing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I was going to say, I think he might maybe win the tournament.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's not like, he's not my odds on favor it right now, but there's if they did an angle that I would suggest they do, he could win it, you know, and he could, he could.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, I think it could enough for him to beat Horoky together and then have a really good match with whoever comes out of the show to that favorite junior kind of real

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[SPEAKER_02]: But I think I think a final four is a lock.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know about anything other than that.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I actually, that reminded me of a funny story from last night.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Um, Gabe Kid is in the mat as doing a match.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Uh, tag match for David Finlay again, George Cassidy and Darby Allen.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And, uh, Darby Allen and Gabe Kid end up brawling in the corner right where I'm at.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And I have like the photos them and they're like right up at my shit.

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[SPEAKER_02]: All the sudden Gabe kid like elbows Darby and Darby's like wing on the barricade right in front of us and you can see game and even rearing back all the way past the ring apron all the way past the ring post all the way to the other end of the barricade.

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[SPEAKER_02]: and he began sprinting straight toward us.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And I'm like, Dave, fucking move.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Because all I could think about was Kalamnuman getting thrown to like the apron, but I forgot that this wasn't New Japan that was in an indie show.

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[SPEAKER_02]: The barricade were completely reinforced.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But even with the force of how much he hit, that thing moved back of foot.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And after the match, they had to come over and rejigger the whole thing back then.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And I'm just like, I think you can see me like get up and like move because it was just one of those like because specifically of

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[SPEAKER_02]: Oscar throwing Calam eight rows deep as if he were a baseball into like a bunch of bowling games.

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[SPEAKER_00]: A baseball into bowling games.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's how that's how many times the fella get went down like what's in a bowling ball like I think.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, now we'll go with it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You get a small little object that managed to take out so many things.

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[SPEAKER_02]: He was not big in the grand scheme of those chairs, but he took out so many chairs.

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[SPEAKER_00]: By the way, the other thing, I mentioned I'm doing Tom talks rubbish to show this week.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm really looking forward to doing that one.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'll be recording that soon and it'll be up.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Make sure you check that out, please.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then also, I'm going to T.J.P.W on Tuesday.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm excited about that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You're going to see T.J.P.W right here in Texas at South by Southwest Festival.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They're going to be here.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm excited about that.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So, did you all, did you decide if you were going to Vegas or not?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Not going to Vegas.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Not going to Vegas.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Not going to Vegas.

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[SPEAKER_00]: One of the two probably a little bit too arrogant.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Uh, a little too uninterested.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: A little too uninterested in the land.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I did my project about that death voucher invitation, which would be the only, like, new strategies and show that I'd want to go to.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I know Stardom is there, but I just saw Stardom in Japan, like twice last year.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So it's a, I don't need to go to Vegas, see Stardom.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And some of the other stuff that I would have been interested in, just didn't come this year.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And TJPW is coming to my backyard.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So there you go.

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[SPEAKER_02]: There you go.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Even there you go.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Now, the next one was the best match of the entire week.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Best match of the month so far.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And one of the best matches of the year thus far in New Japan.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It was the IWGP Junior Heavyweight Tag Team title match.

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[SPEAKER_00]: This one was the each-bound sweet boys, Champions, Cosa, Fujita, and Robbie Eagles facing Robbie X and Ta-A-Gi-Shi-Mori.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We knew this one was going to be good.

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[SPEAKER_00]: These four are absolute geniuses.

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[SPEAKER_00]: This is my favorite rivalry in New Japan right now.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And this was a right match.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I know it's not a feud, but I can watch these four guys wrestling each other every night.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I will not tire of it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It was fluid motion.

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[SPEAKER_00]: These guys are all cardio monsters.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We know that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They do not get tired.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It went about 15 minutes full speed ahead.

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[SPEAKER_00]: In the end, the X Express was hit by Robbie X, who has impressed me more than almost any new regular has in several years.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I loved it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Got the pen.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Robbie X gets his first new Japan championship.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Robbie Eagles is going to be going back to North America.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He said in the post match comments, if he has a business to attend to with other companies.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And this title bounces around all the time.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I love the each about sweet boys, Fujita and Eagles.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think they're one of the best tag teams in wrestling.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But if Eagles has other bookings and other things to do,

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[SPEAKER_00]: Robbie Exitage, you should more you're going to be damn fine champions.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I love the match.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They were attacked afterwards by Jacob Austin, young and Francesco Akira.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So that match is coming.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And that match is going to be really good.

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[SPEAKER_00]: This was the bright spot in my week.

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[SPEAKER_02]: This was everything that you mentioned more.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I co-kind.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I think that's a lot of this had to do with freeing up co-khai food you've done before the best of the super junior.

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[SPEAKER_02]: taking the title off of him.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Robbie Eagles was actually with Shane Hayes and Mikey Nichols and they were branded if TMDK at the Ring of Honor taping prior to the AEW Dynamite last night.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So as I was getting in Robbie Eagles was being rescued.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Robbie Eagles, Shane Hayes and Mikey Nichols

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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yep.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I figured I just dropped that in the very casually and just let us all just weep with the reality is of what U.S. pro wrestling is.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It is always a treat to see Robbie Eagles.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I think Robbie and has been fantastic.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know who the weekweek if there is a weekweek in this match, but I'm trying to say it is deserving to be one of the best matches of the year so far.

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[SPEAKER_00]: and it's terrific stuff.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And there's all the potential for United Empire versus unbound company to be as good.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And we know what franchise goes here can do.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Jacob Austin, young, perfectly capable, vaccination, warrior wonderful.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's going to be a nice transition for that title.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And whoever wins that match, it's going to be a blast to watch.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So I would be surprised if the cut final can help the, but to the super junior rock

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[SPEAKER_00]: got to be very soon.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: After that, we had the IWGP junior heavyweight title match to end the show.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And if the previous match was the bright spot my week, then we had this scene for the club that made everything wet in your jewelry.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Every house of torture cliche crap was here.

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[SPEAKER_00]: All of them.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It was exactly what I thought it was going to be.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And I think I buried it before like,

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[SPEAKER_02]: We previewed it last week.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I told Sam was like, I don't expect water to win.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't expect anything other than him just being a guy.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And if I am wrong, great.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So be it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But I'll see that happening.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So just not good at all.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Just every house, strategically, say any other thing is what made it worse.

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[SPEAKER_00]: for me was they had Tanahashi out there for the pre-match presentation with the belt and he's hobbling up there in his crappies and he's like waddling around trying to get up there and he's holding up the belt and you know here it is the presentation of the IWGP junior heavyweight title and he is sitting there like an impotent

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[SPEAKER_00]: wet noodle as all this house of torture stuff is going.

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[SPEAKER_00]: One of the pillars of his presidency, Jeremy, all this time ago was that I'm going to do something about house of torture and he just look, Hiroshi Tanahashi just looked totally ineffective, totally useless, sitting there with a dumb look on his face, a blank look as all this crap is going on, as this crowd is just groaning, not because they're overstopping the whole thing that house of torture is over.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm tired

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[SPEAKER_00]: they're over.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Those fans that are such a big house of torture fans seem to be dressing up as empty seats when they go to these shows because attendance ain't there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: To me being over means you actually sell some tickets and nobody in this company selling tickets right now.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They're not over.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Everybody's groaning is this is happening and they make noise just out of halfway telling the company I think that this is bad, but.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't I don't understand.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It was so overbook.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It just wasn't a good match.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Watchovers is Doki should be a good match.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And Yano and Wolfe tried to help, but they failed.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, they got in some offense, but there's so many members of the house in torture that so the baby faces are ineffective.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Time to hush.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's sitting there doing nothing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's a good avatar.

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[SPEAKER_00]: for New Japan as a whole, this anniversary show.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It is a departure from all the things that made New Japan great in the first place.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We enjoyed the long-term stories and the good-booking we get none of that now.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We enjoyed the really great wrestling matches.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We're not getting much of that anymore.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And there's Tana Hash to just stand there, putting the belts on dokey like a loser.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Just looking like a total loser.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It was depressing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yo came out afterwards and attacked and did an evil impression.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So let's remind us of the guy that's better than the guy that's here.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And now I remember when we had evil,

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[SPEAKER_00]: To me, Jeremy, this is not Rennerita at one point when we get this fell flat on this fell flat on its face as as high as high as the previous mass sword, this one scraped the ground.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Stephen, I'm going to be generous and say in my expectation.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Well, we're very low.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And just I don't think what it was it I think there are a number of midcard guys that they are trying to push as potential top guys and they're just not there they're not rehabilitated they're not in a position right now.

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[SPEAKER_02]: for that.

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[SPEAKER_02]: There is, you know, a possibility for a guy like Wado, and a few others, they're just kind of there to split off into a new faction and get a fresh coat of paint and something like that.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But it's going to require like compelling engagement with the audience, going to require an authenticity from these

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[SPEAKER_02]: from these wrestlers in which aspects of their parents' andality are really able to resonate with what they're trying to convey.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And right now, we just got a bunch of guys do a gimmicks.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And it does not feel like I never felt at any point that Master Wato was a serious contender for this because Master Wato has felt like just a guy.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And there have never a point where he felt like more than just a guy.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And there's much of Doki

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[SPEAKER_02]: his run, his frustrating, his champion, he has been portrayed as anything but just a guy.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, you know, and we're, we're Master Watto suffers from being the junior heavyweight show to Umano and that he always fails at the key moment.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so the crowd just doesn't expect him to do anything and they sat there through this match.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They didn't expect water to win it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They really didn't.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mentioned the same thing like they gave him the the best of the super junior once while it was one of the best of the super juniors and then he failed and it was just a footnote in a career at the point.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I know the cool thing that he did at one point not it doesn't even define him.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It doesn't, and it didn't make him one of the mix up top.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It did.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's the same thing like what I've been saying about Show to Umino is that so many times he was one or two big wins away from that level, and they cut him off.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They beat him.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And the same thing happens with that with Wato here.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And now just all the baby faces just look like crap.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And the other thing is with this house torture stuff.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I've said it before, but man, it's the sameness of it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's the same act for five straight years.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The spots are the same.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The people doing the spots are the same.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Kana Maro with the whiskey, same.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The guy, you know, usual with the cane, the same for five.

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[SPEAKER_00]: years and and the baby faces look like morons because they in five years they can't figure out a thing to come to combat this.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Tanaashi sitting there with his in his hand can't figure out a way to do anything as the president of the company.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Referees not disqualifying because apparently house chores are just allowed to beat the hell out of him and they don't do anything about it or they get nudged and lay there for 10 minutes five years the same stuff and it's exhausting.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And we saw a lot of it this week.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Good Lord, we did, yep, yep, yep, yep, yep, yep, yep, yep, yep, yep, yep, yep, yep, yep, yep, yep, yep, yep, yep, yep, yep, yep, yep, yep, yep, yep, yep, yep, yep, yep, yep, yep, yep, yep, yep, yep, yep, yep, yep, yep, yep, yep, yep, yep, yep, yep, yep, yep, yep, yep, yep, yep, yep, yep, yep, yep, yep, yep, yep, yep, yep, yep, yep, yep, yep, yep, yep, yep, yep, yep, yep, yep, yep, yep, yep, yep, yep, yep, yep, yep, yep, yep, yep, yep, yep, yep, yep, yep, yep, yep, yep, yep, yep, yep, yep, yep, yep, yep, yep, yep, yep, yep, yep, yep

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[SPEAKER_00]: And they almost drew as many people for this show Jeremy is they did for the anniversary show 2500 people show up and he'll go they turn out for this stuff I was looking back through history as I always do I like to compare and

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[SPEAKER_00]: a good crowd and he'll go once a year for the new japan cup and then they don't necessarily even go back any other time they're not that buildings not necessarily on any other tours all year but they do show up for it I mean 2500 isn't a bad crowd but this is something that's true pretty much across the board this week is the new japan cup tends to have a circuit that they follow pretty regularly and when you look back though this is on this show this show in this town is on the new japan cup tour every year

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[SPEAKER_00]: very, very similar attendance is to the last two years, which weren't great years.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, it's not growing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's my point.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's very stagnant with that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: 2,500 is a good crowd.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But 1,2,42300, it's just not picking up any stem at all.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's my point.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You're not seeing the trend positively upward.

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[SPEAKER_02]: They're just kind of flat.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And that's not what you need to see for growth.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Jeremy says, are they maybe is relying on the tournaments too much already

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[SPEAKER_00]: There's a school of thought that says that there are too many tournaments and Japanese wrestling period that it gets, it gets a little exhausting and that there are so many of them that none of them really stand out the way they used to.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think an exception is the G1.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think the G1 still matters.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But I don't think that's to be dismissed Jeremy's, both of you, that there's just tournament after tournament after tournament, so that they should have had what five tournaments?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, the cup, the tag, the junior, G1 and the two tags.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's a lot.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And that's, there are only 12 months of the year.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And we're getting five tournaments.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's hard to stand out.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's hard for them to stand out.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I don't I don't think that is in Velocrystall.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I think that's I don't think it's the problem.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm not sure.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe that's a better way to put it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Now, like when when things are good, you still enjoy the tournament.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But then the other thing is just the matches haven't been very good.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's hurting it.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And here's and here are a couple of them.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We had one of each, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: So show to Umino and Chase Owens.

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[SPEAKER_00]: This thing went 19 minutes and 40 seconds.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Sorry.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Sorry.

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[SPEAKER_00]: No.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's a lot.

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[SPEAKER_02]: He was a 20 minute match.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You went 20 minute too on Steven.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm sorry.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't see this about a whole lot of matches, but this was awful.

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[SPEAKER_02]: This was just one of this.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And when I don't understand why they thought that showed an umino, trying to get one over on chase owns, should have taken 19 minutes and 40 seconds.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And some of the stuff that they did in order to stretch this out that if it didn't know one, including the audience, and you're going to have less attendance the next time chase owns is going to cut match because it's shit like this.

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[SPEAKER_00]: One minute to a minute and a half to every undercard match and have this go 10 or 12, I mean, you don't need more than that off the get that you pay your own flight cover, I get that you want to get your money worth whatever it just.

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[SPEAKER_02]: All the other hand.

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[SPEAKER_02]: If you look at the physique that showed him when I had for restful kingdom, and then you look at the physique that he has for his NutriPang Cup matches, you know that this guy feel what's fun.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, the other thing I noticed too, by the way, it seems to me, seems to me that Chase has dropped a little weight.

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[UNKNOWN]: Sure.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Then look how much I had, I'd go a lot to it, but it's fun.

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[SPEAKER_02]: He looks like he's dropping a little bit like it doesn't matter about like his weight or his look or anything like that he is.

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[SPEAKER_02]: He is a negative net.

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[SPEAKER_02]: asset to the promotion and I understand them loyalty.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I understand he and fall air on per date deals and it really helpful for the company to have guys like that that they can call and it's ready to be there but they don't have to pay them for the year.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Fine, I get it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: an old generation of New Japan that is no longer relevant and if trying to be present in the new generation.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And I wish I had nicer things to say, but I get very, very frustrated when I am trying to find the upside in every aspect of this promotion and I simply could, I just, I was out my work

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[SPEAKER_02]: And I don't know why it was this one specifically, but this was the one that I was just like, God damn it guys, like, what are you doing?

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[SPEAKER_02]: A 20 minute show to Umino match with Chase Owens.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But you couldn't find anyone else to put it in a match to make this for like one of your guys, anyone else.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Like, I didn't even feel the same way about great accounting knew it would murder,

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[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, all right, I'm good.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Thank you.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, it goes into a little bit of the malaise I talked about earlier too, not to get sidetracked on Great O'Con, but so many of these guys just look uninterested in this tour.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They just look tired and they looked uninterested.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And we're talking about the tournament matches that are on top of these cards, the undercard stuff, the tag matches underneath,

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[SPEAKER_00]: these guys are sleepwalking and flat out moping through them.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They don't look like they want to be there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I kept watching this thing just like, oh, it's imagine if these were professional wrestlers being paid to put on a show.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, like, yeah, there's this kind of cup take a deep breath of like, all right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's the second up and do a show guys.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But these guys just droopy dog and it all the way through these things, just moping around ringside, strolling through their matches.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's a strange time.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There's there's something in the air in that locker room, and it's contagious and everybody looks bummed in the ring.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Everybody looks tired and bummed out.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I just, you know, I hope they have, I hope they have a plan for the top guys in the promotion because I was doing my all too early thought about what

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[SPEAKER_02]: Uh, no, you, you have versus Yoda, so show to versus potentially to Kesha, you've got all spray versus cow old Newman, you're going to have the knockout brother is going to match if you're not idiot, you're going to put the junior heavyweight titles on the line, uh, and not doing on a different night, you're going to have a start to match in a couple of special singles matches in a couple of big to do, but, you know, it's like, you know, it's like,

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[SPEAKER_02]: Who in this new Japan cup that you're looking at right now, you're like, do you guys must have a single batch or a place of prominence next year at rest of Kingdom?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And let's, well, we're going to get ahead of ourselves if I make the next point, but it's coming.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And it's something that's going to be related to that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The main event of that show wasn't Umino and Chase, though.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It was real here.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We won.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, ice.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And this was,

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[SPEAKER_00]: pretty good.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It was a nice match.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Took a lot of the bad taste out of my mouth.

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[SPEAKER_00]: 16 minutes.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, we were nice.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I say this is a lot that, you know, oh, yeah, you know, ice looks works really well with this guy.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They don't be in the ring with someone else.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I said, oh, I just was pretty well with that guy.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then I realized that like half of my notes are just like you know, ice is good with this guy.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe you know, ice is good.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm pretty sure he is.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And just has that charisma about him and it works.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And oh, he was a nice foil for him because he's so straight

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[SPEAKER_00]: need some straight lace and ice and so not.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The leg lock, the Roy clutch is what we will beat him with and we're actually going to get something to look forward to here, Jeremy.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We're going to get real, real, real versus Zach's image in here.

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[SPEAKER_02]: There's going to be only match and Chris Hampton sport appropriately that I got wrong.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I was so mad.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I was like, why would they do that?

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[SPEAKER_02]: And then I got older nervous when Oscar got eliminated, you know, I was like, oh, and then they're like there, and then they're actually going to do OU versus Zap Saberjinger, which honestly, we've seen, I feel like I've seen you know, I've seen Zap Saberjinger a lot in the last two months, which is kind of why I thought they'd run it back one more time, but I'm really excited for

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[SPEAKER_02]: real hey we want that temperature.

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[SPEAKER_02]: This was a really great match.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I am, it will be you get Uemura, it is Oscar, it is real hey Uemura, just you know, I showed it Uemano, it's Calum Newman, and I'm theota suge, man, and co-save Fujiya.

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[SPEAKER_02]: There is a core in this roster that is that you can really do something with.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And I'm really excited about

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mentioned we're eating our vegetables.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We're about to get to do another example of having to eat some vegetables here, and when we get to the zip arena and okama, because the first second round match of that night was shingo to coggy beating Don Folley and a match that's stuck on ice and looks shingo is a great worker.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's not a miracle worker and this was bad.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The good news is it was only nine minutes and 30 seconds.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They got rid of the of Folley.

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[SPEAKER_00]: that takes fallay out of the equation now.

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[SPEAKER_00]: After that, you get way more defeated Drillamologi in 22 minutes, 28 seconds.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I thought this match was okay.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think it delivered the way it could have and they did a really dumb finish.

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[SPEAKER_00]: A really stupid finish.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You hated that finish?

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[SPEAKER_00]: I hated this finish.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, I hate it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I hate it for it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, Jeremy, okay.

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[SPEAKER_00]: First of all, here's what happened.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Sure.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He hits the Drillacula.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He hits the Drillacula.

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[SPEAKER_00]: nails it, the best move in New Japan, the most exciting move in New Japan, the most over move in New Japan, the one that always gets a reaction, and way more rolls through it and pins them.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They buried the best move in the company.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There are a hundred ways that you

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[SPEAKER_00]: could win this match.

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[SPEAKER_00]: How about with his move, for instance, he's got a couple of them that are decent.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That dead bolt is over, not as much as the Drillicillus over.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Instead, they do a flookie thing where he barely gets by Drillamoloney when he's basically unconscious.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Why in the world was Drillamoloney penned by this?

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[SPEAKER_00]: He wasn't stunned.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He wasn't hurt.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He hits the best move in the company.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And instead of

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[SPEAKER_00]: They make it look like, oh, he might just roll over and lay down for three seconds for no reason despite not being all that shook up.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It doesn't make you you look strong because he was basically beaten and got lucky to beat him.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It doesn't get you you over.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It hurts the best move in the company.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Once again,

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[SPEAKER_00]: New Japan's run by idiots because this was a stupid way to do this when you're trying to get Uemura over.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Haven't win with the deadbolt.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Who would have a problem with Uemura maneuvering out of the drill a kill, a barely escaping it, coming down in a way where he's got the arms lock, hitting the deadbolt and beating him.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Instead, he looks like he got beat and it was only by Maloney not realizing that he was on his back.

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[SPEAKER_00]: that he actually advances, neither of these guys ended up looking good from the finish.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The batch itself wasn't as good as it probably could have been.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I left this thing to say, and idiots run this company, idiots run this company.

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[SPEAKER_00]: If there is a chance to make something that's special into something ordinary, this company will take it every time and try to make it ordinary, dumbasses.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Well, I felt like what they had done here was

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[SPEAKER_02]: creating the bones of a bit of a rivalry that they'll come back to in the G1.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm tired.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm so tired of hearing that they're going to come back.

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[SPEAKER_02]: They do this stuff all the time.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Shingo and Drillow went back and forth all year last year and they ended up becoming cool with the result.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And so I think that there is a long-term year, year-wide story to play with this.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Please.

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[SPEAKER_02]: As for the finish,

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[SPEAKER_02]: I thought the match was a very slow psychological trying desperately to beat the other person and not getting anywhere because they were so evenly matched throughout the match.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And I liked that when it came to the drill killer here of what I saw.

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[SPEAKER_02]: of U.S. Lades instead of keeping his body weight on top of U.S. granted

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[SPEAKER_02]: The effort of the Drillacale takes something out of Drillacale as well.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Julia was not completely done by the movement self, but Drillacale's body weight, which is part of the pin, helped keep the guy down for the one, two, three.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Instead, Drillacale was both himself reached forwarding.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Julia used that momentum for the roll-up, which I thought was actually a really clever finish, because it's supposed to be a hell of a never actually

01:00:08.497 --> 01:00:17.409
[SPEAKER_00]: Afterwards, Lee Moro wasn't even capable of, well, thank goodness, he wasn't capable of doing one of his lame promos, but he was knocked unconscious.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It was stupid.

01:00:18.410 --> 01:00:29.384
[SPEAKER_02]: And the whole thing is to give you the idea of a Cinderella run for you, we murder that he can finally like get through by short of a miracle that he's going to face Yoda through.

01:00:29.404 --> 01:00:30.446
[SPEAKER_02]: And you know what's going to happen?

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[SPEAKER_02]: He's going to lose in the final.

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[SPEAKER_00]: If he is, if he is a good enough wrestler to be a finalist in the New Japan Cup, he should be able to beat Drillin Maloney.

01:00:39.345 --> 01:00:42.593
[SPEAKER_00]: That's not a knock on Maloney, but Maloney isn't a main event guy.

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[SPEAKER_00]: If you're more supposed to be a main event guy, he should beat Drillin Maloney, not fluke his way past him.

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[SPEAKER_00]: How do you know the good idea for the finish?

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't care whose idea was, whose every idea was, somebody should have had the wrestling intelligence to stop and go first of all that hurts the move and it makes you look like an idiot, so it helps neither one of you guys.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I need a one of you guys.

01:01:03.176 --> 01:01:06.240
[SPEAKER_00]: Somebody should have been the grown-up, I don't want to say that's the mistake.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm willing to say down the line that it was the mistake, but I can also see how it

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[SPEAKER_00]: This company loves something special, loves to make something special and turn it ordinary.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's just what they're doing, including there are tenies numbers.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, you're not wrong.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I know, but and I sat there and I tore the company part for show to Umbro and Chase Elwood and which I'm always trying to find the upside and looking for like why they would do something even if it doesn't make any sense.

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[SPEAKER_02]: like I'm all we've tried and that could I'm doing here at just the chief of the show to think just my take was up to you at that point.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I agree.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, so that was that we move on to March 12th and that was earlier today at the talk about Sue Jim and kind of go, uh, they just 700 for about that one.

01:02:02.984 --> 01:02:08.250
[SPEAKER_00]: We're just about the, that this one was not a new Japan stop, the last one was a fantastic, a maniac stop, the last couple of years.

01:02:08.791 --> 01:02:12.936
[SPEAKER_00]: But it drew about what

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know if we're just down to the hard course now.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They're going to show up no matter what, but the attendance has just been very flat.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Second round match, Renderita and Satoshi Kojima.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, again, I hate to pile on the negativity here, but Render's very lazy.

01:02:30.095 --> 01:02:31.297
[SPEAKER_00]: very, very lazy.

01:02:31.717 --> 01:02:34.060
[SPEAKER_00]: And he's been lack of days ago for years.

01:02:35.062 --> 01:02:39.968
[SPEAKER_00]: He stopped doing the county fair level impersonator act.

01:02:40.028 --> 01:02:46.397
[SPEAKER_00]: He reminds me of an Elvis impersonator at a county fair when he was doing for Katziori Shabbata when he was trying to be Shabbata.

01:02:47.078 --> 01:02:53.947
[SPEAKER_00]: And Dowie's got this house a torture thing and he just doesn't do anything anymore and not even Kojima could pull anything out of him on this.

01:02:54.668 --> 01:02:57.452
[SPEAKER_00]: And again, all the house a torture stuff, it just wasn't good.

01:02:57.432 --> 01:03:00.361
[SPEAKER_00]: after that they had Boltono League and Henarei.

01:03:02.006 --> 01:03:03.973
[SPEAKER_00]: These guys tried hard to hit each other hard.

01:03:04.575 --> 01:03:05.598
[SPEAKER_00]: It's worth seeing.

01:03:05.798 --> 01:03:09.450
[SPEAKER_00]: I think the crowd was cometals.

01:03:09.717 --> 01:03:19.992
[SPEAKER_00]: And mostly because of the dull undercard the match before aside from setting each other on fire Jeremy, I don't know what those guys are supposed to do in that made event that could wake that crowd up.

01:03:21.094 --> 01:03:23.478
[SPEAKER_00]: They tried hard and there was a cool spot.

01:03:23.498 --> 01:03:24.800
[SPEAKER_00]: It's worth seeing for this one.

01:03:24.820 --> 01:03:28.485
[SPEAKER_00]: Hinarry jumps off the second rope, Bolton being

01:03:28.887 --> 01:03:39.439
[SPEAKER_00]: superhuman in terms of strength, catches an array on her shoulders and turns into a kamikaze, then hits the full blown kamikaze and wins.

01:03:39.459 --> 01:03:40.640
[SPEAKER_00]: To me, that was worth seeing.

01:03:41.341 --> 01:03:49.330
[SPEAKER_00]: But, again, it's tough to deal with it when you get that lackluster of an undercard and then a bad semi-main and Jeremy, what were these guys supposed to do?

01:03:50.732 --> 01:03:53.335
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know, there's a lot that I wanna touch on here.

01:03:53.395 --> 01:03:55.798
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, pardon me, I jump to head a little bit, I'm sorry.

01:03:55.818 --> 01:03:57.780
[SPEAKER_02]: You're okay, you're okay.

01:04:00.410 --> 01:04:10.406
[SPEAKER_02]: There was a match on Tuesday that I wanted to mention before we got into this and then I will then I'll give this because I don't want to get too far ahead and confused people.

01:04:10.926 --> 01:04:12.609
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, let's back up a little bit.

01:04:12.629 --> 01:04:24.207
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, so on the first match on Tuesday was a match with Oscar and you know, I first is massatory, yocca and Aaron wolf and.

01:04:24.187 --> 01:04:34.635
[SPEAKER_02]: If Kenny viewers, remember, this is pretty much Aaron Wolf's first match with anyone who's not a House of Torture Applement.

01:04:35.830 --> 01:04:37.772
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, gosh, yeah, I suppose this true isn't it.

01:04:37.953 --> 01:04:41.197
[SPEAKER_00]: Even in his even in his underneath tags, it was always with the HOT.

01:04:41.377 --> 01:04:41.878
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

01:04:41.898 --> 01:04:46.283
[SPEAKER_02]: So the hook, absolutely fascinating to watch watching him wrestling with all of them.

01:04:47.204 --> 01:04:49.767
[SPEAKER_02]: Neither one really wanted to sell for each other.

01:04:49.787 --> 01:04:52.911
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't even think they're even really liked each other in the ring.

01:04:52.951 --> 01:05:02.243
[SPEAKER_02]: It was, uh, but they, they, they, they cooperated and they did their thing and then you know, ice and him got in there and,

01:05:02.223 --> 01:05:03.825
[SPEAKER_02]: you know, I felt like the star.

01:05:04.186 --> 01:05:08.773
[SPEAKER_02]: Like it just, it was night and day versus what you were supposed to see.

01:05:08.953 --> 01:05:10.375
[SPEAKER_02]: And then the real interesting thing.

01:05:10.736 --> 01:05:15.743
[SPEAKER_02]: And you can find this on YouTube on each pen world without the new Japan world channel.

01:05:16.164 --> 01:05:29.985
[SPEAKER_02]: But find the four minute clip of the backstage comment of this match with you know, I and Oscar just giving their unfiltered comments about

01:05:30.826 --> 01:05:32.409
[SPEAKER_02]: absolutely fascinating.

01:05:33.130 --> 01:05:45.349
[SPEAKER_02]: I feel like there's a little bit of truth to this that, you know, because they're so popular and kind of stars on the rise, they're allowed to say things that other people wouldn't, but just go back to this one.

01:05:45.550 --> 01:05:48.074
[SPEAKER_02]: This was worth taking a look at.

01:05:48.414 --> 01:05:52.581
[SPEAKER_02]: And for Renner Rita and Satoshi Kajima,

01:05:53.607 --> 01:05:56.631
[SPEAKER_02]: My god, man, they didn't even touch him for the entirety of the match.

01:05:56.931 --> 01:06:02.617
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, you would watch him and they were touching him like he would tissue paper.

01:06:02.638 --> 01:06:13.150
[SPEAKER_02]: And it made for a lack of any real suspense in this match, knowing that, you know, Satoshi, Satoshi, Kajima was, you know, a substitute for Tamohiroshi in.

01:06:13.570 --> 01:06:22.821
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm not necessarily sure that she is any healthier than Narita, but he would then Kajima, but I think he would have had a better match.

01:06:23.543 --> 01:06:33.416
[SPEAKER_02]: With that said, every time I see Renderita, I am more and more convinced to you not the guy to be the faction.

01:06:33.436 --> 01:06:33.536
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

01:06:33.556 --> 01:06:33.656
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

01:06:33.676 --> 01:06:34.217
[SPEAKER_00]: Absolutely.

01:06:34.237 --> 01:06:35.138
[SPEAKER_00]: He just doesn't try.

01:06:35.339 --> 01:06:36.981
[SPEAKER_02]: He has here a number two.

01:06:37.001 --> 01:06:40.425
[SPEAKER_02]: He has a psychic.

01:06:40.446 --> 01:06:45.793
[SPEAKER_02]: He is the guy on the side, like making sure he's a threat on the other card.

01:06:45.813 --> 01:06:46.734
[SPEAKER_02]: He's all these things.

01:06:47.495 --> 01:06:49.838
[SPEAKER_02]: But he...

01:06:50.527 --> 01:07:03.233
[SPEAKER_02]: If this was something that they have been planning to do with him at some point, he needed to have been preparing for it at all times because now he's been put in apparition and he just doesn't work ready.

01:07:03.573 --> 01:07:05.818
[SPEAKER_02]: He doesn't work right and he doesn't work at all.

01:07:06.997 --> 01:07:08.499
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, he doesn't look like he's trying either.

01:07:08.540 --> 01:07:11.725
[SPEAKER_00]: And he's just lazy and the thing with the gets me about it.

01:07:11.745 --> 01:07:12.145
[SPEAKER_00]: And just read it.

01:07:12.165 --> 01:07:24.426
[SPEAKER_02]: Get him like if you can't even get the trying to me, it's like you're trying to make him into something that like he like the bookworm cycle path that like, hope you make your plan happen.

01:07:24.446 --> 01:07:27.591
[SPEAKER_02]: He's not the guy to tell you the plan and that could you.

01:07:28.052 --> 01:07:33.240
[SPEAKER_02]: You don't want to mean like, but they're trying to make him the leader and it's like, gotta be somebody else.

01:07:34.081 --> 01:07:47.139
[SPEAKER_00]: And, you know, the thing to all the time that he has been back from excursion, I can only think of one good Rennery to match, and it was the street fight match with Shota that went all over Corrican Hall, and that was actually pretty exciting.

01:07:48.121 --> 01:07:49.663
[SPEAKER_00]: It brings me to another point here, Jeremy.

01:07:51.666 --> 01:07:53.288
[SPEAKER_00]: When it comes to New Japan,

01:07:54.061 --> 01:08:11.361
[SPEAKER_00]: You know what's missing is that nobody hates each other right now, like there isn't like a real blood feud between anybody where you get the idea that these guys actually want to kick each other's ass there are matches and I kind of liked what Suji and Jake Lee did which was

01:08:11.341 --> 01:08:13.243
[SPEAKER_00]: because there was no animosity between them.

01:08:13.263 --> 01:08:14.805
[SPEAKER_00]: There was no reason for them to hate each other.

01:08:14.825 --> 01:08:19.351
[SPEAKER_00]: So they went a different direction and sat down and chairs and kind of talked to each other in a weird way.

01:08:19.631 --> 01:08:20.512
[SPEAKER_00]: It was different anyway.

01:08:20.532 --> 01:08:21.773
[SPEAKER_02]: It was Newt and Draw Day match.

01:08:21.793 --> 01:08:24.957
[SPEAKER_02]: You're telling a Draw Day like you're a great, you're a great wrestler.

01:08:25.378 --> 01:08:26.719
[SPEAKER_02]: I do like you a lot.

01:08:26.739 --> 01:08:27.560
[SPEAKER_00]: He doesn't have anything.

01:08:27.640 --> 01:08:28.502
[SPEAKER_00]: He isn't a hate anybody.

01:08:29.102 --> 01:08:30.844
[SPEAKER_00]: And no one has any reason to hate anybody.

01:08:30.924 --> 01:08:33.147
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, almost a shingo's rivalry.

01:08:33.207 --> 01:08:36.471
[SPEAKER_00]: He ends up liking the guy or at least respecting him.

01:08:36.451 --> 01:08:39.836
[SPEAKER_00]: It's been a long time since two guys just hated each other.

01:08:39.856 --> 01:08:42.280
[SPEAKER_00]: They were almost there with Newman and Finlay, but Finlay was leaving.

01:08:43.041 --> 01:08:45.765
[SPEAKER_00]: And you know, they just had to kind of do it and get it over with.

01:08:47.047 --> 01:08:55.219
[SPEAKER_00]: What was the, Osprey and Finlay were the last time you really got one of those good, good news where you really have to hated each other?

01:08:55.539 --> 01:08:58.403
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and they had it a little bit when Ren turned on Shota.

01:08:58.424 --> 01:09:01.208
[SPEAKER_00]: I thought that there were points of that where it worked.

01:09:01.448 --> 01:09:02.830
[SPEAKER_00]: Gaili Shota, maybe?

01:09:03.772 --> 01:09:15.974
[SPEAKER_00]: No, you know, I just didn't feel it like that, you know, but an idea that these guys can't mean the same building without wanting to tear each other apart, that's missing, there's just no grudge for you at any or like where's the grudge match?

01:09:16.775 --> 01:09:18.338
[SPEAKER_00]: Like title matches.

01:09:18.470 --> 01:09:34.909
[SPEAKER_00]: uh special matches multi-man matches where's the grudge match you know like where's all that there's no anger when Chris and I booked out the idea Jeremy Jeremy or matches at where's the energy yeah the energy yes that's that's that's that's that's good a way to put it just anything

01:09:34.889 --> 01:09:36.371
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, these guys respect each other.

01:09:36.612 --> 01:09:40.598
[SPEAKER_00]: They're more annoyed with house the torture because no one seems to do anything about it.

01:09:41.118 --> 01:09:45.465
[SPEAKER_00]: United Empire has a little bit of steam on it and they have a little bit of an attitude.

01:09:45.945 --> 01:09:52.936
[SPEAKER_00]: But where's the, I just want to ring this stinking guy's neck and I'll do anything I got to do to ring this guy's neck part of pro wrestling.

01:09:52.976 --> 01:09:53.537
[SPEAKER_00]: It's not there.

01:09:54.839 --> 01:09:59.886
[SPEAKER_00]: And I know Japanese wrestling is different culturally and things, but there have been fields before and they've been exciting.

01:10:00.367 --> 01:10:01.048
[SPEAKER_00]: You can do it.

01:10:02.075 --> 01:10:13.162
[SPEAKER_02]: I was talking to Chris Sample last week, and we kind of booked out the idea of show to him in a winning and then going to Genesis and then going to a time limit draw with Yoda Suji.

01:10:13.803 --> 01:10:19.577
[SPEAKER_02]: And then that week to Dominion where the global title is on the line.

01:10:19.557 --> 01:10:25.084
[SPEAKER_02]: Show to end up winning that, but he pissed because he thought he should have won the IWGP.

01:10:25.685 --> 01:10:29.210
[SPEAKER_02]: Yoda pissed because like, why did I have to defend against this guy?

01:10:29.250 --> 01:10:30.091
[SPEAKER_02]: He didn't beat me.

01:10:30.512 --> 01:10:35.999
[SPEAKER_02]: And so you've got the making of like two people on a main event level that really don't like each other.

01:10:36.039 --> 01:10:40.705
[SPEAKER_02]: It had to be like, no, I'm better than you and you just won't admit it.

01:10:42.288 --> 01:10:57.486
[SPEAKER_02]: And I thought I thought that was a really like you need you need to make Shota, you and Yoda the three most important guys in the promotion at this point and right now all three of them are baby faces and I don't think that that's sustainable.

01:10:57.506 --> 01:10:59.589
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and like Jeremy mentions I'm confused a little.

01:10:59.609 --> 01:11:04.555
[SPEAKER_00]: I've never seen New Japan like this just saying and I think what we're seeing here's a little bit of demoralization.

01:11:05.156 --> 01:11:06.237
[SPEAKER_00]: I think crisis.

01:11:07.060 --> 01:11:09.422
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I think everybody's just a little bummed.

01:11:09.642 --> 01:11:12.465
[SPEAKER_00]: They know that they barely drew 1,000 people.

01:11:12.725 --> 01:11:15.848
[SPEAKER_00]: And they might not have drawn 1,000 people at Corican.

01:11:15.868 --> 01:11:23.595
[SPEAKER_00]: They might have lied about that attendance because that the orange seats, oh my God, the large swaps of empty orange seats.

01:11:23.615 --> 01:11:31.322
[SPEAKER_00]: And as you notice, the other thing at Corican, they didn't even have people sitting opposite the hard camera in front of the bleachers.

01:11:31.442 --> 01:11:37.067
[SPEAKER_00]: And those bleachers that are in front are directly across from the hard camera.

01:11:37.469 --> 01:11:39.775
[SPEAKER_00]: Not even people down there.

01:11:39.815 --> 01:11:48.998
[SPEAKER_00]: They had a couple of the announcers, desks right there, but they had some of the bleachers rolled back and then they had no chairs sitting out in front of that stage.

01:11:49.197 --> 01:11:53.403
[SPEAKER_00]: that they didn't even put up the same number of seats for those shows.

01:11:53.463 --> 01:11:57.630
[SPEAKER_00]: They knew nobody was coming and I question whether those a thousand for those thing.

01:11:57.670 --> 01:11:59.212
[SPEAKER_00]: They know that the wrestlers know that.

01:11:59.332 --> 01:12:01.676
[SPEAKER_00]: They know they're not giving the people what they want to see.

01:12:01.716 --> 01:12:03.959
[SPEAKER_00]: They know that those crowds are down.

01:12:04.020 --> 01:12:05.201
[SPEAKER_00]: They were here when they were up.

01:12:05.662 --> 01:12:07.345
[SPEAKER_00]: Most of these guys were here when they were up.

01:12:07.365 --> 01:12:08.386
[SPEAKER_00]: They know the difference.

01:12:08.406 --> 01:12:18.141
[SPEAKER_00]: And I think there's some demoralization and not necessarily any a lot of hope for what's coming up apparently because everyone just seems to be like

01:12:18.121 --> 01:12:20.026
[SPEAKER_00]: Just kind of moping through their matches now.

01:12:20.086 --> 01:12:20.708
[SPEAKER_00]: I got to do this.

01:12:20.748 --> 01:12:24.880
[SPEAKER_00]: I got to rest of this guy for the night and under time and that's kind of how it feels right now.

01:12:24.900 --> 01:12:28.670
[SPEAKER_00]: That's what's coming across to me through the screen is that they just don't seem interested.

01:12:29.132 --> 01:12:31.017
[SPEAKER_02]: I think we are.

01:12:31.233 --> 01:12:40.486
[SPEAKER_02]: on third gear, almost as our top speed at five gears right now, like we're going from first to third gear, most of these shows.

01:12:41.147 --> 01:12:51.401
[SPEAKER_02]: Occasionally we're revving the horsepower and trying to get out of third, but we're not talking about like you guys got to stop and make sure that you check out these matches.

01:12:51.621 --> 01:12:56.768
[SPEAKER_02]: I listed like three matches for the first round and I thought we're worth your time.

01:12:56.748 --> 01:12:59.110
[SPEAKER_02]: not that like you needed to make time for it.

01:12:59.150 --> 01:13:11.181
[SPEAKER_02]: But if you're looking for a couple of matches, it looks like the the Calum and Oscar match, the Rio Hey, we were you know, I match and there was there was one on the other side that was halfway decent.

01:13:11.441 --> 01:13:16.186
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, uh, fantastic moment all like that I thought was really good as well.

01:13:16.586 --> 01:13:20.910
[SPEAKER_02]: And you know, fantastic, well, completely disappeared after like you did it match.

01:13:21.430 --> 01:13:26.755
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, I kind of wish you was around and doing like stuff on the

01:13:27.089 --> 01:13:34.069
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, he's been on the grind for every show for like the last two years.

01:13:34.149 --> 01:13:40.306
[SPEAKER_02]: So if he's off the tour after the New Spain Cup, he does his one match and he's out and he's off to Duke's mother stuff.

01:13:40.807 --> 01:13:42.853
[SPEAKER_02]: Good for him, I guess, but I wish you were here.

01:13:43.964 --> 01:13:52.734
[SPEAKER_00]: And, you know, I'm looking at this, the good news is some of these guys that aren't particularly great in ring workers are out of the tournament now.

01:13:53.235 --> 01:13:55.777
[SPEAKER_00]: We're left with an awful lot of pretty good in ring workers.

01:13:55.797 --> 01:13:57.399
[SPEAKER_00]: So the action should improve.

01:13:57.720 --> 01:13:59.762
[SPEAKER_00]: Like the tournament matches should improve.

01:14:01.003 --> 01:14:01.884
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm hoping that it does.

01:14:01.904 --> 01:14:02.805
[SPEAKER_00]: There are a couple on paper.

01:14:02.845 --> 01:14:04.007
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't really think can miss.

01:14:04.447 --> 01:14:06.109
[SPEAKER_00]: So maybe I'm jinxing him.

01:14:06.630 --> 01:14:08.672
[SPEAKER_00]: Let's take a look at the week ahead and you'll see what I mean.

01:14:10.120 --> 01:14:12.923
[SPEAKER_00]: We're back in Osaka tomorrow morning, actually.

01:14:13.203 --> 01:14:15.606
[SPEAKER_00]: So I'm trying to do the 13th on back in Osaka.

01:14:16.267 --> 01:14:22.614
[SPEAKER_00]: Heroic, you go to versus Jake Lee and Harley Jackson against Kalim Newman right there.

01:14:22.654 --> 01:14:24.536
[SPEAKER_00]: So Flash question for you.

01:14:24.556 --> 01:14:26.298
[SPEAKER_02]: Which one of the bad 50 think it could be better?

01:14:31.124 --> 01:14:32.946
[SPEAKER_00]: I think Newman and Jackson.

01:14:33.246 --> 01:14:34.187
[SPEAKER_02]: I agree with you.

01:14:34.285 --> 01:14:40.798
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I think Newman and Jackson not a knock on Lee and go to I think go to get something out of Jake and I said Jake has a unique presentation.

01:14:40.858 --> 01:14:50.978
[SPEAKER_00]: I understand he's not everybody's cup of tea, but I do think that Newman and Jackson will probably do pretty well Saturday the 14th and I each it's going to be show to Umano against usual talk of how she good grief.

01:14:51.312 --> 01:14:54.014
[SPEAKER_00]: Uh, uh, uh, gonna help us all with that one.

01:14:54.255 --> 01:14:57.718
[SPEAKER_00]: But the good news is the good news is the last one.

01:14:58.138 --> 01:15:01.681
[SPEAKER_02]: And I mean, look, no, but he must have Stephen, which one do you think it can be better?

01:15:01.841 --> 01:15:05.365
[SPEAKER_02]: Show to the other YouTube talk to all of you for real.

01:15:05.585 --> 01:15:06.085
[SPEAKER_00]: Hey, we do it.

01:15:06.145 --> 01:15:07.567
[SPEAKER_00]: You know what the real question is, Jeremy?

01:15:07.587 --> 01:15:08.127
[SPEAKER_00]: We'll do it in a second.

01:15:08.147 --> 01:15:10.309
[SPEAKER_00]: Because the main event is campus.

01:15:10.429 --> 01:15:11.750
[SPEAKER_00]: Zach Saber's junior real.

01:15:11.770 --> 01:15:12.671
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that'll be great.

01:15:12.711 --> 01:15:13.392
[SPEAKER_02]: It's going to be great.

01:15:13.412 --> 01:15:13.912
[SPEAKER_00]: That's going to be great.

01:15:14.473 --> 01:15:15.914
[SPEAKER_00]: Which do you think will be a better match?

01:15:15.934 --> 01:15:19.638
[SPEAKER_00]: Show to Uminover's Chase or show to Uminover's is the usual.

01:15:20.058 --> 01:15:21.319
[SPEAKER_02]: Show to Uminover's is the usual.

01:15:21.299 --> 01:15:22.741
[SPEAKER_00]: You think it's going to be better?

01:15:22.761 --> 01:15:23.983
[SPEAKER_00]: I think it's going to be better.

01:15:24.003 --> 01:15:24.965
[SPEAKER_02]: I think it's going to be better.

01:15:24.985 --> 01:15:26.026
[SPEAKER_02]: I think it's going to be better.

01:15:26.046 --> 01:15:26.768
[SPEAKER_02]: I think it's going to be better.

01:15:26.788 --> 01:15:27.989
[SPEAKER_02]: I think it's going to be better.

01:15:28.010 --> 01:15:29.151
[SPEAKER_02]: I think it's going to be better.

01:15:29.171 --> 01:15:30.413
[SPEAKER_00]: I think it's going to be better.

01:15:30.433 --> 01:15:31.174
[SPEAKER_00]: I think it's going to be better.

01:15:31.194 --> 01:15:31.835
[SPEAKER_00]: I think it's going to be better.

01:15:31.856 --> 01:15:33.037
[SPEAKER_00]: I think it's going to be better.

01:15:33.057 --> 01:15:33.959
[SPEAKER_00]: I think it's going to be better.

01:15:33.979 --> 01:15:34.800
[SPEAKER_00]: I think it's going to be better.

01:15:34.820 --> 01:15:35.461
[SPEAKER_00]: I think it's going to be better.

01:15:35.481 --> 01:15:36.162
[SPEAKER_00]: I think it's going to be better.

01:15:36.182 --> 01:15:36.943
[SPEAKER_00]: I think it's going to be better.

01:15:36.964 --> 01:15:37.605
[SPEAKER_00]: I think it's going to be better.

01:15:37.625 --> 01:15:38.286
[SPEAKER_00]: I think it's going to be better.

01:15:38.306 --> 01:15:38.967
[SPEAKER_00]: I think it's going to be better.

01:15:38.987 --> 01:15:39.628
[SPEAKER_00]: I think it's going to be better.

01:15:39.648 --> 01:15:39.848
[UNKNOWN]: I think it

01:15:39.980 --> 01:15:40.881
[SPEAKER_00]: That should be really good.

01:15:41.982 --> 01:15:42.682
[SPEAKER_00]: That should work out.

01:15:43.643 --> 01:15:46.946
[SPEAKER_00]: Oleig Bolton versus Ren Nareda probably won't be.

01:15:47.367 --> 01:15:50.710
[SPEAKER_00]: Not because Bolton's doing well in this terminal role.

01:15:50.730 --> 01:15:52.031
[SPEAKER_00]: I enjoyed his match with Fantasma.

01:15:52.431 --> 01:15:55.054
[SPEAKER_00]: I enjoyed his match with Henare for the most part.

01:15:55.774 --> 01:15:58.176
[SPEAKER_00]: But nobody can save this house torture crap.

01:15:58.397 --> 01:15:59.037
[SPEAKER_00]: It's just bad.

01:15:59.798 --> 01:16:01.359
[SPEAKER_00]: But I do expect Nareda to win.

01:16:01.800 --> 01:16:06.284
[SPEAKER_00]: But we're starting to get down to like usual, be out, chase it, be out, fallay will be out.

01:16:06.924 --> 01:16:09.987
[SPEAKER_02]: If we're acting exactly how I thought

01:16:09.967 --> 01:16:10.229
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

01:16:10.651 --> 01:16:16.146
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, I was curious to see how I felt about last year's tournament is that.

01:16:16.328 --> 01:16:40.547
[SPEAKER_00]: A trend is like in past is the first round hard to get through and then things pick up with the quarter final semi finals and finals as they build toward the more pushed more talented guys theoretically right and no it's last year we enjoyed the first Brown I was looking at the notes and that there were there was a lot of good wrestling in the first round last year so it is a 26 issue.

01:16:41.692 --> 01:16:50.554
[SPEAKER_00]: My, my thought on this by fancy book, I've been saying this forever that you mentioned that they're all baby faces those big three, then someone shouldn't be way more a show to.

01:16:50.614 --> 01:16:55.566
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't care which one turns heal, but what I almost wish they would do is have.

01:16:56.288 --> 01:17:03.635
[SPEAKER_00]: One of them lose maybe in the semi-finals, have the other one in the match and have that person turn on them.

01:17:04.276 --> 01:17:06.818
[SPEAKER_00]: And then that may be pushed Calum Numen through that way.

01:17:07.239 --> 01:17:07.739
[SPEAKER_00]: You know what I mean?

01:17:07.799 --> 01:17:11.203
[SPEAKER_00]: It's so that Numen wins the tournament when the other guy screws him over.

01:17:11.223 --> 01:17:16.868
[SPEAKER_00]: And then we have, you know, Numen wins a cup, that'll help him, and then we have a blood feud.

01:17:17.109 --> 01:17:18.590
[SPEAKER_00]: But I just don't think that though.

01:17:18.910 --> 01:17:21.553
[SPEAKER_00]: I think that's a way to actually give one of those little,

01:17:21.533 --> 01:17:42.021
[SPEAKER_00]: fudes a grudge match aspect to Dominion and then to move forward and it would get somebody that they want us to take seriously a New Japan cup when which of course cup is the first step toward maybe a G1 maybe a underneath title run that type of thing.

01:17:42.702 --> 01:17:50.933
[SPEAKER_00]: Again, I don't necessarily expect that's 100% the direction but might be a bit of an

01:17:51.250 --> 01:18:11.740
[SPEAKER_00]: But the matcha should should improve when once we get usual out there's no way I don't think I was going to lose to him and then Narita I think we're stuck with for a little while longer, but I think that he's they're going to get bolts and I think Narita is going to go until he runs into probably you yeah

01:18:12.850 --> 01:18:18.079
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I'm going to just run back the theory that I had for people that might be joining or don't remember or whatever.

01:18:18.640 --> 01:18:25.131
[SPEAKER_02]: I had this whole idea that there was going to be four young guys and three of them in each bracket.

01:18:25.191 --> 01:18:35.128
[SPEAKER_02]: We're going to have to face a former IWGP champion in order to make it to the final four and get a chance to face the current IWGP champion.

01:18:35.935 --> 01:18:47.717
[SPEAKER_02]: Calum Newman, Shota Umano, Rennerita, and UUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU is tracking to face sure you have to go ahead and do IWGP champion.

01:18:48.288 --> 01:18:54.256
[SPEAKER_02]: If a rookie goto beats Jake Lee, and Calvin Newman beats Harley Jackson, both completely viable outcomes.

01:18:54.677 --> 01:19:02.988
[SPEAKER_02]: That'll be Calvin Newman faking off against a rookie goto, a former IWGP champion, Calvin Newman heel, going to show to Omeno down on the bottom.

01:19:03.749 --> 01:19:08.375
[SPEAKER_02]: I believe real hey, we would not set to beat that capricine or just yet.

01:19:08.675 --> 01:19:10.077
[SPEAKER_02]: I just don't think it's time yet.

01:19:10.057 --> 01:19:16.351
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't think this is the moment for it, but that's it for your former IWGP champion, show to Ueno and him.

01:19:16.372 --> 01:19:18.577
[SPEAKER_02]: I have a three and three singles match record.

01:19:19.358 --> 01:19:21.824
[SPEAKER_02]: Uh, broke you go to have one win over Kalimnuman.

01:19:22.325 --> 01:19:25.412
[SPEAKER_02]: U-U-U-U-Mura is O-N-3, again, a shingo to Kagi.

01:19:25.853 --> 01:19:27.036
[SPEAKER_02]: So.

01:19:27.016 --> 01:19:32.006
[SPEAKER_02]: You have you get we mirror and potentially render reader on one end, I hear you want to face.

01:19:32.587 --> 01:19:36.475
[SPEAKER_02]: You have Kalam Newman and Shota Umano on the other end, a heel and a face.

01:19:36.997 --> 01:19:47.959
[SPEAKER_02]: But I think, New Japan is smart enough to know that when push comes to shove, the fan will boo Shota Umano if he ends up in the final against you.

01:19:47.979 --> 01:19:48.400
[SPEAKER_02]: You're always

01:19:48.599 --> 01:20:05.403
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I think I think that's already figured into the equation, and I think that baked into what the plan Garf showed to Umano going forward that like he's he's trying to do everything right the right way, but like he's rejected by the New Japan fan.

01:20:05.503 --> 01:20:12.413
[SPEAKER_02]: So, you know, he he goes, you know, whatever, you know what I mean, like they're I feel like they're laying the ground work that you

01:20:12.393 --> 01:20:28.900
[SPEAKER_02]: You really want you or your murderer when this tournament based off of the way that he's eating out these wings and and just kind of fighting every last like Tuesday nail and then they rip it from you at the very end and then he went to the G1 like this is the breakfast for me right now.

01:20:28.880 --> 01:20:32.624
[SPEAKER_00]: could be a good very well be that's that's an interesting path there.

01:20:33.044 --> 01:20:56.068
[SPEAKER_00]: The other thing you have Newman and Godo remember that Newman was the one that was tossed into that title match with Godo last year he lost it when a Jeff Cobb left the company and he ended up getting the spot and impressed everyone with a match that he and Godo had might be time for him to get a win now that the title is not around he could get past Godo in that sense.

01:20:56.048 --> 01:21:03.140
[SPEAKER_00]: You mentioned that show to has been talking about how I'm just all talk and I never get a done.

01:21:03.180 --> 01:21:07.427
[SPEAKER_00]: He's been saying that out loud in his interviews like, oh, it's post-match stuff.

01:21:07.447 --> 01:21:09.210
[SPEAKER_00]: He's like, I don't really want to talk very much.

01:21:09.550 --> 01:21:10.452
[SPEAKER_00]: My words are empty.

01:21:11.293 --> 01:21:13.737
[SPEAKER_00]: I haven't been able to follow up on any of

01:21:14.341 --> 01:21:34.780
[SPEAKER_00]: It might be a good time if he gets in there with a way more just go I'm going to do whatever I have to do they're going to hate me anyway I'm going to do whatever it takes including the dirty stuff maybe to win this thing and just go with the idea that the crowd's going to boom on that I'm maybe I'm just trying to manifest something I'm hoping to see on that but I I feel like that is a path where.

01:21:36.160 --> 01:21:41.029
[SPEAKER_00]: Uemora and Shota could then feud and you don't need a belt for that.

01:21:41.330 --> 01:21:43.033
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, I think people would want to see it.

01:21:43.433 --> 01:21:45.537
[SPEAKER_00]: And if you just see these guys, Terry, each other up.

01:21:45.838 --> 01:21:52.049
[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe we talk about how he's, you know, the sun and all this fire stuff for the way more, but he has no fire.

01:21:52.630 --> 01:21:53.592
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, let's see him pissed.

01:21:54.153 --> 01:21:56.177
[SPEAKER_00]: I think the people would get into that.

01:21:56.950 --> 01:22:13.205
[SPEAKER_02]: I think that you, you're more, you're more, you're more, and show to Umano have by the time been put together for the last six months, specifically for this cataclysmic face off for the new Japan Cup to reestablish what friends do when they become enemies.

01:22:13.605 --> 01:22:24.915
[SPEAKER_00]: I hope you're right because remember the last thing that worked for either show to or ran was them against each other, fighting up and hating each other and asmen right since, by extended I think it was,

01:22:25.317 --> 01:22:30.467
[SPEAKER_02]: a very subtle hint that when they were doing the Tana Hashi videos.

01:22:30.886 --> 01:22:44.138
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, like the Walker Stewart stuff, and they were showing the clip of Nakamura and Tana Hashi being tag team partners before they went their separate ways and proceeded to feud for many, many, many years.

01:22:44.758 --> 01:23:00.893
[SPEAKER_02]: Like for them to train together and to get to them, for them to train together and to get to know each other so well and then they become blood enemies going forward

01:23:00.873 --> 01:23:09.685
[SPEAKER_00]: And then you have Uemora and Suji, we've talked about that one, these two are inextripley, inextripley length, inextripley length is the word I was trying to get there.

01:23:10.286 --> 01:23:15.874
[SPEAKER_00]: And Uemora's the sun, Suji is the moon, we can't both shine at one time.

01:23:15.894 --> 01:23:18.097
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, it's right there.

01:23:18.317 --> 01:23:24.826
[SPEAKER_02]: Showed up and you're gonna have the show to, I will hear first, but you surpass me and I don't think that's true.

01:23:25.447 --> 01:23:26.248
[SPEAKER_02]: You know what I mean?

01:23:26.308 --> 01:23:28.551
[SPEAKER_02]: Like they're all there.

01:23:28.717 --> 01:23:29.138
[SPEAKER_02]: It's all there.

01:23:29.638 --> 01:23:30.099
[SPEAKER_00]: It's all there.

01:23:30.940 --> 01:23:32.301
[SPEAKER_00]: I just hope they pull the trigger on it.

01:23:32.341 --> 01:23:34.404
[SPEAKER_00]: We pull the trigger on something for the 11th God.

01:23:34.944 --> 01:23:35.225
[SPEAKER_00]: Anyone.

01:23:35.245 --> 01:23:36.707
[SPEAKER_02]: You come thing with the war, people.

01:23:37.628 --> 01:23:39.170
[SPEAKER_00]: Now, we have another show this week.

01:23:39.190 --> 01:23:39.810
[SPEAKER_00]: I want to mention this.

01:23:39.830 --> 01:23:43.975
[SPEAKER_00]: Let's get the schedule right for this week because we have Friday, Saturday, and Sunday.

01:23:44.055 --> 01:23:46.338
[SPEAKER_00]: So, three in a row, coming up, starting tomorrow.

01:23:46.398 --> 01:23:48.521
[SPEAKER_00]: Those are the rest of that quarter final run.

01:23:48.841 --> 01:23:52.426
[SPEAKER_00]: And then Tuesday, March 17th, same Patrick's Day, and Fukushima.

01:23:52.446 --> 01:23:53.987
[SPEAKER_00]: We don't have any matches for that one yet.

01:23:54.088 --> 01:23:54.929
[SPEAKER_00]: KFA purposes.

01:23:54.989 --> 01:23:58.673
[SPEAKER_00]: We don't know who's wrestling who yet because we have to have the tournament matches

01:23:58.653 --> 01:23:59.814
[SPEAKER_00]: all that out.

01:23:59.834 --> 01:24:04.660
[SPEAKER_00]: So that show will have taken place by the time we come back here next Thursday.

01:24:04.720 --> 01:24:09.045
[SPEAKER_00]: So there's one that we can't really preview because for K-F-A reasons we don't have a card.

01:24:09.125 --> 01:24:15.252
[SPEAKER_00]: So we will have Friday Saturday Sunday, off Monday, back on Tuesday, and then that's it for the week.

01:24:15.272 --> 01:24:15.953
[SPEAKER_00]: There isn't a note.

01:24:16.033 --> 01:24:18.576
[SPEAKER_00]: It's not another show until next Saturday.

01:24:18.896 --> 01:24:24.643
[SPEAKER_02]: So we will be previewing the semi of the finals by the time that we do our next show.

01:24:24.623 --> 01:24:29.533
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, it'll be down to the will be down to the nubbins because once this thing gets moved and it moves pretty quickly.

01:24:30.835 --> 01:24:31.256
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, sir.

01:24:32.098 --> 01:24:37.889
[SPEAKER_02]: I have a couple of images of announcement, people and players before we wrap the whole thing up.

01:24:38.010 --> 01:24:39.493
[SPEAKER_02]: Let's do it.

01:24:39.533 --> 01:24:41.777
[SPEAKER_02]: To cache it, I'm going to be at the niche fan cut final.

01:24:42.158 --> 01:24:43.160
[SPEAKER_02]: The TV title match.

01:24:43.661 --> 01:24:45.805
[SPEAKER_02]: Yay!

01:24:45.785 --> 01:24:56.079
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, El Desparado and Taiju Shimori will be major league wrestling, fantastic, a mania USA with the CMLL, NutriPan MLW crossover.

01:24:56.559 --> 01:24:57.280
[SPEAKER_02]: Yay!

01:24:57.300 --> 01:24:57.380
[SPEAKER_02]: Yay!

01:24:58.962 --> 01:24:59.343
[SPEAKER_02]: That would be good.

01:24:59.884 --> 01:25:10.197
[SPEAKER_02]: And then El Fantasma is among a list of people that have been announced for the death match, the Tational in Vegas, the WrestleMania weekend.

01:25:10.558 --> 01:25:13.902
[SPEAKER_02]: He's the only actual NutriPan talent,

01:25:13.882 --> 01:25:19.554
[SPEAKER_02]: all over in price from that show got announced and a couple of the new beginning USA there.

01:25:19.754 --> 01:25:23.603
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, they were announced and I'm not shocked at all.

01:25:23.703 --> 01:25:25.908
[SPEAKER_02]: I figured that was the reason that we were on the card.

01:25:25.948 --> 01:25:29.916
[SPEAKER_02]: And yeah, I think that's the end of.

01:25:30.723 --> 01:25:31.805
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, yeah, we have to encourage it.

01:25:31.825 --> 01:25:37.475
[SPEAKER_02]: Road to secure a genesis, to your heavyweight title matches that have been announced, which is the Yo and Dokey match.

01:25:37.595 --> 01:25:42.845
[SPEAKER_02]: Again, not all of secure a genesis, which is April 4th, it will be on April 2nd.

01:25:42.865 --> 01:25:43.245
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes.

01:25:43.265 --> 01:25:48.715
[SPEAKER_00]: And once again, junior heavyweight night in Corican a couple of nights before the big show.

01:25:48.863 --> 01:26:07.632
[SPEAKER_02]: and then the pay off to the attack after the Junior Heavyweight title tag title match in which Akira and Jacob Austin Young take their opportunity to wrecked the titles away from Ishimori and Robbieettes and their first championship defense.

01:26:07.612 --> 01:26:08.334
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.

01:26:08.354 --> 01:26:08.915
[SPEAKER_00]: There you have it.

01:26:08.935 --> 01:26:11.120
[SPEAKER_00]: So those will be too good.

01:26:11.160 --> 01:26:13.345
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, the tag team match will be good.

01:26:13.385 --> 01:26:15.430
[SPEAKER_00]: Doki and yo should be good.

01:26:15.450 --> 01:26:19.459
[SPEAKER_00]: It probably won't be because of house torture interference, but that's at least the tag match.

01:26:20.381 --> 01:26:22.205
[SPEAKER_00]: Again, it should be a can't miss.

01:26:23.448 --> 01:26:24.270
[SPEAKER_00]: I hope so.

01:26:24.655 --> 01:26:25.596
[SPEAKER_00]: I hope so.

01:26:25.636 --> 01:26:31.044
[SPEAKER_02]: Should be doing a lot of heavy lifting right now for anage band for a rest of the year.

01:26:31.104 --> 01:26:31.304
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

01:26:31.324 --> 01:26:31.525
[SPEAKER_01]: All right.

01:26:31.585 --> 01:26:32.987
[SPEAKER_02]: Everything will be fine.

01:26:33.007 --> 01:26:34.970
[SPEAKER_02]: It's just like there.

01:26:35.210 --> 01:26:42.360
[SPEAKER_02]: This is the mean to an end and hopefully the end will pay off, but the means are cheaply spent.

01:26:42.340 --> 01:26:43.782
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't like feeling this way.

01:26:43.822 --> 01:26:49.831
[SPEAKER_00]: Folks, I take no joy in talking about how there's a malaise on this roster and that the action isn't very good.

01:26:49.931 --> 01:27:01.829
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't take any joy from it, but I would be dishonest if I came on here and was just a cheerleader saying this is still the best company in the world and the best wrestlers in the best work rate.

01:27:01.849 --> 01:27:02.670
[SPEAKER_00]: It's just not right now.

01:27:03.271 --> 01:27:04.112
[SPEAKER_00]: And

01:27:04.548 --> 01:27:16.623
[SPEAKER_00]: We're struggling through some stuff and I don't think it is fair to anyone listening to this or watching this for me to come on and try to bull crap you into thinking that things are terrific.

01:27:16.703 --> 01:27:19.406
[SPEAKER_00]: One objectionally they're just not, objectively they just aren't.

01:27:19.886 --> 01:27:30.319
[SPEAKER_00]: And so we have to be honest and we've spent plenty of time on the show talking about great stuff when great stuff happens and we will again and I honestly believe next week

01:27:30.552 --> 01:27:34.197
[SPEAKER_00]: We will be talking about some terrific matches from this past week.

01:27:34.337 --> 01:27:37.422
[SPEAKER_00]: I think they're probably one each night that'll be pretty good.

01:27:38.323 --> 01:27:43.130
[SPEAKER_00]: And looking forward to some decent matchups in the semi-finals and finals.

01:27:43.230 --> 01:27:48.097
[SPEAKER_00]: I really believe that things will be a little perk here next week.

01:27:48.197 --> 01:27:48.998
[SPEAKER_00]: I really hope so.

01:27:49.539 --> 01:27:50.080
[SPEAKER_00]: But

01:27:50.971 --> 01:27:51.933
[SPEAKER_00]: this week was difficult.

01:27:52.214 --> 01:28:04.180
[SPEAKER_00]: And especially coming off a week off and seeing it all in such an enclosed space like I did and in such a condensed way watching show after show after show after show, you'll eat all of this even and you'll like it.

01:28:04.982 --> 01:28:07.748
[SPEAKER_00]: This was tough, but they aren't all going to be tough.

01:28:08.150 --> 01:28:10.754
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, you know, we're at some world, it comes in Ableton Flow.

01:28:11.054 --> 01:28:17.605
[SPEAKER_02]: WWE right now is just really unfulfilling for a lot of people, but other people will tell you as good if it's ever been AEW.

01:28:18.166 --> 01:28:24.035
[SPEAKER_02]: Some people will say it's creatively resurgent and other people say it's the same thing they watch every week.

01:28:24.055 --> 01:28:30.765
[SPEAKER_02]: New Japan, you know, like they have a depleted roster and

01:28:30.745 --> 01:28:56.436
[SPEAKER_02]: They need a lot of time to re-establish who needs, who is going to be their top guys, and it's time that they don't have, and a lot of people aren't willing to give them because they thought they should have been doing it in the first place, and they haven't, and you're reaping what you're sewing, but that is what doing a weekly podcast about, you know, a long-running live active wrestling portion is.

01:28:56.717 --> 01:28:57.878
[SPEAKER_02]: You're going to take the good.

01:28:57.898 --> 01:28:59.520
[SPEAKER_02]: You're going to take the bad.

01:28:59.500 --> 01:29:08.892
[SPEAKER_02]: You're going to have to deal with it some week, both the time I'm positive, sometimes I just, you know, go, go all win on company, because I'm just like, you know, I got this is some crap.

01:29:09.873 --> 01:29:11.495
[SPEAKER_02]: This is one of those leads.

01:29:11.515 --> 01:29:14.940
[SPEAKER_02]: We're going to be back right next week, and we're going to be talking about the good.

01:29:14.980 --> 01:29:19.686
[SPEAKER_02]: We talked about bad about nutrient pan per wrestling and hopefully the good will be better than the bad.

01:29:20.206 --> 01:29:31.043
[SPEAKER_00]: So some weeks is Chango Takagi and Willasbury and Kenny Omega and some weeks is usual Takahashi and Chase Owens and that's what we got this.

01:29:31.799 --> 01:29:33.903
[SPEAKER_00]: All right, better days ahead.

01:29:34.404 --> 01:29:36.287
[SPEAKER_00]: With that said, we're going to wrap this one up.

01:29:36.367 --> 01:29:40.454
[SPEAKER_00]: I want to thank everybody of the join this here for Nando and Jeremy, you guys are in the chat.

01:29:40.474 --> 01:29:42.177
[SPEAKER_00]: We appreciate you coming in with us.

01:29:42.357 --> 01:29:46.505
[SPEAKER_00]: If you listen to this as a podcast later or you watch us live, thank you for your time.

01:29:46.805 --> 01:29:50.131
[SPEAKER_00]: We definitely appreciate that you spent some of your week with us.

01:29:50.211 --> 01:29:52.134
[SPEAKER_00]: So for Jeremy Findstone, I'm Stephen Conway.

01:29:52.295 --> 01:29:55.360
[SPEAKER_00]: This has been Speaking of Strong Style, and we will talk to you again real soon.