Jericho's Future Free Agency, TNA's as Wednesday Night Competition, & The All Out/WrestlePalooza Showdown | Takedown

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[SPEAKER_01]: Welcome back to Take Down, just an FYI for people.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The a new episode of Observe This with myself and Draven is both in the podcast feed and on YouTube.

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[SPEAKER_01]: If you want to check that out, we had a really spirited conversation around the current wrestling scene and why he and I both kind of feel a little bit

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[SPEAKER_01]: out of touch is not the right thing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We're just not as excited about all the wrestling as a lot of the fan bases are though it feels like to me now you tell me if I'm wrong.

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[SPEAKER_01]: If you are really in love with WWE and you don't care about AEW.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It seems like you're really happy.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Or if you are really in love with a WWE, you don't care about WWE, it seems that you're really happy.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Or if you're a fan of one of the other promotions that aren't US-based just because of the access, you are probably also really happy.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But if you're trying to watch all of the content, you're probably really unhappy right now.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I mean, that last part is definitely true.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, happy is probably not the way, like, because it means it's all good.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I think the word I use is frustrated.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, you know, and it's like the more I watch, it's like the, the, the, the, it feels like I fall further and further behind and there's more that I have to miss and stuff.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And, and yeah, so I think, yeah, if you're, if you're somebody, especially A, W, like I would say, you know, that if you're,

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[SPEAKER_00]: If you're just watching a W and you're just a fan of a W, you're probably most happy right now of all the fan bases.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think WWE, the booking is a little frustrating at times and some of the finishes aren't great.

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[SPEAKER_00]: New Japan, you know, if you're more popular, be great.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know what CMLL, but fans of that seem pretty happy, so maybe that would be like a W, perhaps like a W's click in right now.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, like I don't know how they're doing financially.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, we hear things, but we don't really know.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So, but, but creatively, they seem to be doing really well.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Here's a question for you.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And this is not even what we're going to talk about today, but it's been something that's on my mind, because Draven and I had this conversation about matches.

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[SPEAKER_01]: This is the, this is the tried and true conversation everyone with matches or moments.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And it's funny because when I was on Chris Jericho's podcast, I literally don't know if this made the show, by the way, but it was the discussion of matches versus moments and, you know, he was talking about how a lot of people think it's matches, you know, it's not always matches, it's moments and it's what you do in those moments, you know, for the start or whatever he was saying, I don't even remember because so long ago.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I found that interesting because AEW is very, they use the match as the most key element of their storytelling is the match because they have a fan base that really, really loves the matches.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And we were talking about a star as born in the discord the other day that movie.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I love and there's

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[SPEAKER_01]: a correlation between a match and a song, I think.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So the Bradley Cooper character tells Lady Gaga that something to the effect of, you know, a song is just twelve notes and whatever octave and it's what you do within those twelve notes that really says something about you as an artist.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I was thinking about that in relationship to wrestling because part of my frustration with AEW is it's so match heavy.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And all of the matches are so spot heavy and athletic heavy that I find them all fairly similar.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like you know what's not going to be a finish.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And this is like an argument for WWE style, too.

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[SPEAKER_01]: WWE style is the heat in the shine and this pattern and rhythm.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I know when the finish is not happening in WWE matches too, but because of the AEW leading so heavy into the athletics.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I feel like a lot of their matches are similar.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then you have the parts of the matches where one wrestler will do like a devastating finisher.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then another match, three matches down the line, that same move is used as like a transition move to go to commercial or something.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And so like there's a leaning on like, let's just make the audience go, ooh and awe.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I was at a comedy show the other day.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I noticed the same thing in the comedy shows.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So there's three acts.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And in two of those acts, they almost had the same joke.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And Crystal turned to me and was like, why didn't they just talk about it in the back?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, did no one know what was going to happen?

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I was like, well, it's a small comedy club.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm sure if it was at like a higher level of a comedy club.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, in the headliner,

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, if one of the the opening acts did a similar joke as the headline or they'd strike at their ass kicked and never get booked again, but in AEW, like that stuff happens a fair amount and it has happened in WWE, by the way, as well.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not saying it doesn't, but it's just like this this idea of what the match is mean.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I said, you know, I love a match.

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[SPEAKER_01]: uh... that is meaningful has stakes is part of this part of a great part of the story and i threw out hangman and moxley like as a culmination of that feud i'm i'm in there with that match same thing with kodi and cina as a culmination of that feud i was in there with that match but i cannot equate

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[SPEAKER_01]: those matches with a main event on dynamite that goes three minutes past the the hour and that ends in some sort of randomness just because the moves are good.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like to me, those aren't even close to the same things.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So you watch a lot of wrestling.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Where do you sit in the match moment debate?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, it's funny because I think ironically, I think that what it is is that

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[SPEAKER_00]: when you have a great match in Paul Giants for that in the background.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm recording with Dave.

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[SPEAKER_01]: What's going on?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: If you have a great match in WWE, it's going to stand out more.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And if you have a great moment in AWS, it's going to stand out more because they lean so heavily on the other thing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I had a sense of where your question was going.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I just pulled up my spreadsheet of where I keep track of everything.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And there's been like eleven

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[SPEAKER_00]: that I've had five star or better matches in a W and I this year and I bet you like most of them you wouldn't remember.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But you are going to remember the great moments and similarly in WWE if I pulled up the great matches you probably remember them all because there's not that many of them.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, whereas the moments it's like every show, we, you know, feels like we have a moment like this pet, you know, a couple weeks ago, we had Roman Reigns returning at the end of a show and that was great for the crowd that was there and they popped like crazy and stuff.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But, you know, by a week later, you don't really remember it because they've done three other and a lot of them are so similar.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They're like the same.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But they're there for that crowd.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, so you won't remember like the big, like the Brock return, you know, you may not have liked it, but you're definitely going to remember it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: or, you know, the scene of heel turn, which had, you know, no follow-up, you know, Cody winning the Delta WrestleMania, you know, last year or whatever.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So you get all these different things, and, and, you know, and you even have stuff in, in some of the, unless you're, you know, like NXT and whatever, like the first time a T&A wrestler showed, oh my God, wow, Santa Ana getting a great reaction.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Now it's every week, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: So you know, it's nothing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, it's like so I think that because they lean so heavily in one direction, it's when they actually go the other way that it actually has more effect.

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[SPEAKER_01]: By the way, if you were to put a match

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[SPEAKER_01]: in it's own thing and I didn't have any matches before or any matches after.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think I would agree with you about a lot of those AEW matches, but when you put the match and I get to see what just happened two matches before and I get to see what happened two matches after and I got to see what happened last week, it's so much so blends in together for me.

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[SPEAKER_01]: There are some spots that I will always

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[SPEAKER_01]: kind of get up for, you know, a Will Osprey space flying tiger drop just because it is so graceful and is so almost looks like magic in a sense of how he flies through the air or Spanish fly from the top rope even though that move is silly because it is so much a collaborative move.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I still love it because I just think it is so athletic and so graceful.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But a lot of the other moves to me are just versions of the same thing that we see over and over and over.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And if you're not, and if we'll ask for is going to have the same a similar match with the same spots on TV as he does on pay per view, then why don't I need to buy the pay per view with the exception of maybe there's better stakes or whatever.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Because I was thinking about this, Zack Saber Jr.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And Nigel McGinnis.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Obviously, we know why they're doing that match for that crowd.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But for the TV audience, if you're, I think AEW's fan base, at least the majority of them, they're probably a little bit more knowledgeable about the history of stuff like ROH.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So they're probably a little bit more bought into a Nigel McGinnis match than a WWE casual fan would be with their stuff.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But to me, I'm like, oh,

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[SPEAKER_01]: So we're going to get a bunch of nice near falls and Zach Saber Jr's going to win.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's what that match is.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Now what what they do in between to get you excited or to get you fooled or to make you think Nigel is winning, I'm sure it'll be really good.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But to me, I'm like, I'm already not interested in that match and it hasn't even happened because I kind of know the deal, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: I know I know I know.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I'm not going to be as invested in that match as I will be with MJF.

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[SPEAKER_01]: and hangman, even though I probably have that one figured out too, but just because that program has been so good.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And this is like a not program.

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[SPEAKER_01]: This is a match for the paper view and a match for the live crowd.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So it's just things like that where I know they're trying to

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[SPEAKER_01]: They're trying to bring in different audiences and give you different flavors and give you different things.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You don't want all the same thing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But to me, it just all feels like all of the same thing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So we'll see with forbidden door, which is this upcoming weekend.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But on paper, I'm like, yeah, fine.

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[SPEAKER_01]: All star matches.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, all star game matches.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, I asked Dave on air on Wrestling Observer Radio, which you've probably heard yet, but I was like,

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[SPEAKER_01]: How long ago do you think that they knew that they were going to do this cage match?

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[SPEAKER_01]: And he was like, well, I think Osprest said he just learned like a couple days before.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And Abushi had no idea.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I was like, well, in Osprest even said in the promo, I, there's a few people I got to check with.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So that may have been a shoot.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, like Omega's sitting at home and way to pay a plane video games and you get to call from Tony and say, can you cage match next week?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, but you have us send me a plane to get

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[SPEAKER_00]: I know he's the Liz and Florida but it was funny what you just said because I was talking to a friend of mine this weekend and he's going to the show this weekend and he's also going to I think the progress show the night before Rev Pro one of those and he's sending these graphics and he's like this is going to be my match of the weekend and it's like

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[SPEAKER_00]: Michael Oku and Leon Slater.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, those are two, you know, good wrestlers.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I haven't seen a ton of Michael Oku.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I've seen a lot of Leon Slater.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I like them.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm like, but I mean, you look at the card on Sunday and it's like, they got all these like super great wrestlers.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, like, I said, I'd be really surprised if that is the match that we can.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then he's like, and the next day's like, oh, Nigel and Zach, that's gonna be the match that we can.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm like, okay.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's not going to be the last of the week.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That may be the one you enjoy the most and it'll be the one that stands out, though, because it's a style.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, and for me as a long time our way to him, you know, I call myself an R.H.

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[SPEAKER_00]: historian, like that would be one I'd be interested in.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But I don't necessarily think it's going to be the best match and I do think it's going to be a great match, but Nigel's been in active for the most the last fifteen years and I've seen him three times already and he's good.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's not great.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's never had the best match and he's always been on.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, you know, Zach is amazing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So, you know, they're going to have a, you know, it's good and match as possible, but some of those other matches, you know, MDF Hangman, Tony and Athena, that ten man cage match, like those, even Swarvan Alcada could steal the show.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think it will, but it could, you know, so Kyle Fletcher and Haromo could end up stealing the show.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, like there's a lot of stuff on there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean,

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, and I sound excited about it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm really I'm not I kind of feel the same way as you and I'm probably not going to get the show.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The only way I will is if I really somehow free up a ton of time in the next week and a half, but I don't think I will.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So if I don't have a chance to watch it before next week's Dynamite, I'll just probably end up skipping it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: All right.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So what are we going to talk about today?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, there's three big topics that we want to give our thoughts on the first one is Chris Jericho's pending free agency.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't do even know the date.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I've seen December.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I've seen January.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So so I went back and looked at the observer and Dave had reported at the time.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He referenced the sports illustrated article that I think we both saw.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That said, he was signed through December, twenty five.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Dave said it's actually January twenty twenty six.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, okay, it's a month different.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But there was I had thought that there was some one year options involved, but Dave at the time had said he'd previously had one year options on this contract, not this time.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So theoretically he's done in January, which we've seen Tony, he's got people go early.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I doubt if he do that in this current climate.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But again, I'm not, I guess we're going to talk about what's next for Jericho and you know, everyone's assuming he's going to go back to WWE.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Make sense, but my question is whether or not either side needs the other.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, okay.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So here's the thought.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: If you're Jericho.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I guess we can look at it from all the different sides.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Let's look at it from the side of AEW.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Let's look at it from the side of AEW and let's look at it from the side of Chris.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Now obviously we can't put ourselves in Chris's shoes.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Chris only Chris knows what he wants to do.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He's he did a great job by the way in his post WWE career in rebuilding himself as an older guy who wanted to

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[SPEAKER_01]: learn the style of the younger guys like he didn't do that whole thing where he was like, oh, the younger generation X, Y and Z, he tried to lean in a little bit more to what they thought wrestling was like, you know, you would always hear, oh, you know, yeah, the young bucks taught me so much.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I thought I was going to teach them stuff and they taught me stuff.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Now whether or not

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[SPEAKER_01]: He believes that ultimately in his overall understanding of wrestling or just for that day and age of what he needed to do to stay over.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not sure exactly, but he did do a really good job of remaking himself as a kind of an old guy, but an old guy who was willing to wrestle the style of the younger guys.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think he can do that anymore.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He has nowhere near if athletic enough to do that anymore.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And you can sort of see it because when he tries to do it, that's when he kind of screws up sometimes.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So from from the AEW standpoint, here's my thoughts.

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[SPEAKER_01]: If I'm Tony Khan, I keep him in the reason I keep him.

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[SPEAKER_01]: is because I think he is a really good spokesperson for AEW.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Chris Jericho has

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[SPEAKER_01]: has been very pro AEW and anti WWE, since he's been under the AEW umbrella.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He hasn't done those things that some of those other wrestlers have done, which is like, you know, trying to keep in good favor of the WWE side, so that, you know, they would be nice to them when their deal was up.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm sure he's not antagonistic, you know, unless he interpolates just don't get along, which I'm rereading.

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[SPEAKER_01]: his book undisputed about when he went to WWE and it's pretty clear that he tripled to like each other in that book, but you know, so he was a Vince guy, like I think he really appreciated Vince to some extent in and in wrestling for him.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So

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[SPEAKER_01]: if if we are of the opinion that money for Tony Khan is really not that big of a deal and it's really about setting the market.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I would keep him because I just think even if he's and I would keep him not as an active weekly wrestler, I would utilize him in a different way to where what he does means more.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I would refashion him.

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[SPEAKER_01]: in a way as a legend who the fan base should wrap their arms around instead of feel that they're getting forced into seeing all the time and that there is a talent in that right it's it's not an easy thing to kind of re-condition the audience to the guy but I think if you keep Chris Jericho

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[SPEAKER_01]: And he did not asking for the moon, you know, Tony Khan and this is kind of an understatement thing about a W the best thing or my my favorite thing business wise about Tony Khan is he got so much more money on the new TV deal and his salaries did not escalate that much and the and the and the wrestlers are not they I didn't see people like

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, getting hands up in the air about it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They're like, yeah, cool.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like he invested it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's his money.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's his business plan.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So he's got it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He's got the opportunity to bring him back, you know, for whatever, whatever.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He believes Chris's value is worth.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think the problem is just if he does, because Tony Con is so much about the matches, if he doesn't see Chris being able to go in the ring, he may not see the value, whereas that that may lean to the WWE side.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But if you were the AEW side, what would you do with Jericho?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, I think that Chris is, sorry, Tony, it not only is he about the matches, but he's also especially right now about trying to please his fan base and giving his fan base what he thinks they want.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I think that his fan base and you've seen it, and I've seen it, they don't want Chris Jericho.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like they don't like this version of Chris Jericho.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_01]: This was like their least favorite version of Chris Jericho, this is the ring tree one.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But there was he's trolling the shit out of their fan base.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But it's funny because even in the ring, like I look back while you're talking there and I was just looking back and over the in the last year, like he's had

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[SPEAKER_00]: He said like five and these are Dave Meltzer star ratings.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He said five four star matches in the last year, which, you know, like for a fifty four year old guy, like that's pretty good.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, he's not he's not like a lot of their younger guys have probably had three times that many, but for him, like he's more than holding up his own in the ring.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But I think the thing is is what they don't like is the fact that he takes up all this TV time and that it's all about him and ironically that's the gimmick like you know like literally he has his talk segment is called TV time.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The other thing about it though is he is still

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[SPEAKER_01]: taking a lot of heat for whatever the Kylie race situation is that we still have we still don't know exactly what that deal is either from his side or from her side like there's just a spoken the only thing we have is

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, the reporter who I guess doesn't even exist anymore, you know, bringing it up and that's kind of where everything was left.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And ironically, she works there now in WWE.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I doubt if that would be any kind of factor because that whole system is still big.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And if punk can work there, you know, like right, should they take just about anybody.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, so if I'm a W, like I'm thinking, you know, in the kind of role that you're talking about, sure, there's definitely value for him there, then the question becomes at what price and is that something that Jericho is willing to do for that price?

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[SPEAKER_00]: So if, you know, if you're Tony Con and money is no object and it shouldn't be, you talk about the fact that he didn't spend a lot of the money.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, to be fair, a lot of the money was spent before he got the contract.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like he signed Mercedes, he signed a car and he signed Osprey to big money deals on the faith that he was going to get that contract.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So if he hadn't got the contract, like he's on the hook for that money and then now he's losing money.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So

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[SPEAKER_00]: And you know, and then so the people at a resigning the question is, are they being resigned for big increases, you know, a map and are just resigned like did he get like triple what he used to make.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But that's the thing though.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's like, yeah, I'm sure a matmanard does things that we don't see.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's that that's very helpful, but you're.

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[SPEAKER_01]: you're competing for Matt Manard's services against yourself.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I can't wait.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I think it's by way you're saying.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But let's say he was making a hundred grand because I think anybody on an elite contract gets that did he all of a sudden did his salary jump to three hundred grand because Tony cons getting, you know, a hundred million dollars more and writes revenue.

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[SPEAKER_00]: No.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I can't.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I can't.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He got some sort of a raise.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He would imagine.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, maybe.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, if I'm out in the yard, and I'm offered five years at, you know, what I was making before I probably grab this, you know, because like, we're also going to make that kind of money.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and this is not the same Matt Mnard.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I want to see Matt Mnard out of work.

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[SPEAKER_00]: No, no, no.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm happy that he got his deal.

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[SPEAKER_00]: No, I'd fur that kind of money for what he does.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, he's like, we never even see on screen.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, like, I don't know what the going rate is and wrestling for that kind of job, but I do it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Easy.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, you know, he's eating well, man.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You see, he's eating well.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's eating well.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Definitely.

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[SPEAKER_00]: No, I'm sure I'm sure he got a bit of a raise, but you know, other people, you know, like a Dustin, for instance, you know, he just reset.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And he probably, you know, he got what he got on his first deal.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's probably happy with that because now he's getting that kind of money and not having to work, you know, twenty times a year or whatever.

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[SPEAKER_01]: What is the difference between Dustin and Jericho?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Is it just that?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Dustin's not on TV all the time.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's, it's the fact that Dustin signed.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I guarantee you, if Dustin said that he was leaving this fan base that is turning on Chris Jericho right now would be turning on, oh, he always wanted to go back to WWE.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He always wanted to be with Cody.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's, he's had three titles in our way.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's, you know, he's tying up all this TV time.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, Lee Mori already should have been this champion and Lee Johnson should have had that belt.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I guarantee it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's hilarious.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not wrong.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So now let's suck with the WWE side.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So if you are Nick Khan and Triple H and TKO, I don't, I don't first of all, I don't know what they would even value his services at.

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[SPEAKER_01]: uh he is a someone they could bring in as a legend um he is someone that they could bring in as a sort of a shock like you know one time thing where maybe he gets his first program is like a cool run but then I think he kind of gets lost in the middle which is where he was when he left uh post the list um

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[SPEAKER_01]: But they are doing everything they can to combat AEW.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So he knows that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And maybe that's where the value actually is is in taking folks from AEW.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So if you're Jericho and you're negotiating, and look, he's not even free agent.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So we're speculating about what his market is.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe that's what you lean into, which is

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, you watch you go on HBO Max and go watch the first year or two of the paper views and guess who's near the top of the card or in the main event is Chris Jericho.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So maybe that's part of the the leverage that he has there.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But at the same time, WWE doesn't need him at all.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They don't need him one bit.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So in the WWE side, where do you sit?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, I think the key to their side and especially in that con is how much does the W want to, you know, like that is tied into how much W W wants them, I think.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But I don't think they're going to obey W. So, you know, they'll set a value.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And the key is, but if they find out that there's no interest on the AWS side, like they're just, you know, well, let them go or find.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They probably, I feel like they might not be interested at all.

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[SPEAKER_00]: If you recall when Edge

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[SPEAKER_00]: When his contract was coming up, you know, he did that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He made that return and he was in the Royal Rumble.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He started the judgment day and all that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They made him an offer and if I'm maybe remembering, well, if I feel like a W might have doubled it or something.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like it was just they gave Copeland just a crazy offer that he, you know, he probably was looking to leave anyways, but, you know, he couldn't turn it down.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I feel like that's the kind of offer Jericho would get.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, like he, they're not going to, he's not going to be a full-time main eventer, but, you know, you put them on that kind of deal where it works, you know, maybe like a third of the year, and he's making mid-six figures, you know, like that's the kind of thing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So that would give him time to do his music, it may be his acting and certainly his podcast.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And you can get WWE people on his podcast, you know, I don't know if he's doing that now, but you can certainly, I'm sure would get more of them.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think so.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So there you go.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So, you know, that would probably be helpful for him in that sense.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So, you know, that would be like so for them, I'm sure there's a number and they're very sports oriented when it comes to signings as, you know, we've talked about before.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, they would probably place a value on him, but they're not going to get into a bidding war over a guy like Chris Jericho.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Unless they sense that he was a big difference maker in a W really wanted him and, you know, going back to what we previously talked about with a W, I don't think that's the case.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then if you're Chris Jericho, I don't, well, I think he can look at it in a couple different ways.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He's got money for one.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But this may also be his last opportunity to get a decent-sized contract, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: So he may be looking at it that way.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He still got the fuzzy stuff and he wants the freedom to do all of that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But he clearly is willing to work around the schedule because he's to be able to do that in AEW all these years.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So, you know, as you kind of age out of being an active wrestler, is it about the money?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Is it about where you are?

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[SPEAKER_01]: He would be a, I still think he's a bigger fish in a smaller pond in AEW than he would be in WWE.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And the other thing, and here's it, if I was Tony Khan, here's how it would use him.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You have, you have Brian Danielson as a, as kind of like your spokesperson, right, when you need him.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, Brian Danielson.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I would just use Jericho as a PR person.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Brand ambassador.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, he could be an active wrestler and he can be somebody who represents the company in a very smart way when it comes to media.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He's a famous guy.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He might be the single most famous person.

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[SPEAKER_01]: on their roster, like John Moxley is a famous wrestler, but as just like someone who's done things on television and dancing with the stars and these different genres, Chris Jericho might be their most famous, I'm not sure there's any question.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So utilize him in that way.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's part of his deal is you are now, you know, instead of Tony Khan being on all these

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[SPEAKER_01]: doing these radio hits or whatever.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like Jericho, go on the, you know, whatever the, the larger podcasts are with your, the people who you've interviewed, like do some of these home and homes and go and talk about AEW and as well as part of your career.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I like do way more stuff with that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: There's a problem with that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I agree.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Talk about WWE, you're gonna say.

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[SPEAKER_00]: No, they might ask more about his politics.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And you don't have a lot of these podcasts.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They're very formulated, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: They're not going to.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, go.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So if you're talking about like wrestling podcast.

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[SPEAKER_00]: No, no, no.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm talking about any podcast.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We're talking about the Bill Simmons or yeah, Bill, like Bill Simmons just talked about Cody.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He asked Cody about his politics one time.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Sure.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, but, but Cody didn't have a wife that showed up on at the White House in January six.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's true, but a lot of people don't even know that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I feel like more wrestling fans know that than anybody else.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, if they don't know about Vincent Genel Grant, they definitely know about it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But it's fair game.

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[SPEAKER_01]: If it's out there, it's totally fair game.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then Krista figure out if he wants to be out that or not.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, like, and yeah, that's probably the best use of him.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And in W.E.

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[SPEAKER_00]: sense, maybe, you know, in for Jericho, too, like maybe it's a legend's deal.

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[SPEAKER_00]: where he has like a per appearance agreement, kind of like a Trish Stratus, you know, where, you know, like I'm sure Trish makes good money for even when she's not working, like she's probably getting six figures a year and then more when she actually works.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So something like that for Jericho to where he can still do his podcast, still do his music, acting whatever he wants to do and then he shows up in WWE a few times a year to keep his name out there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like maybe that's maybe that's what he would want.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, as opposed to a deal where he's making decent money, you know, you talk about his last big contract, like if he's getting that five, six hundred thousand dollars a year for three years, he's expected to do a lot more probably, you know, work the AW schedule.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, maybe not even quite as much as what because the AW is pretty much full time.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The whole thing here is making right now, like four or five million, uh, probably three, at least I would think.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, uh, what was moxley did, did they ever, I had the sense moxley was getting like close to five, but, um, I would think he'd be the highest paid there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then, you know, then Jericho's probably right under him and then the bucks and Omega, Ocada, Osprey, Mercedes.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, I, I think I had a spreadsheet that had him at four.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And that was about two years ago.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So that would have been around the time you signed the deal.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And that was right after Moxley signed to, I think, if I'm not mistaken.

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[SPEAKER_01]: All right, big story from over the weekend was this Lorenzo for Tita buying TNA rumor.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And so, you know, we're not even going to really reference that necessarily, but just the idea of WWE being in business with TNA as a way to combat.

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[SPEAKER_01]: AEW television because that's really what the rumor is is getting TNA on a station and competing head to head with AEW Dynamite.

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[SPEAKER_01]: What do you think about this scenario because history will tell us that

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[SPEAKER_01]: It hasn't been, it hasn't been really successful to throw your C brand at an A brand necessarily.

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[SPEAKER_00]: No, and in this case, it might be the D brand.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think it would depend on the on the station if it was.

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[SPEAKER_00]: anything, like if it was an A and E, as I've seen speculated, I wouldn't even take the deal if it was that they would die on A and E, because LFG right now, like I don't know if you, I know you're not watching it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's basically just a wrestling show now.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like they just have four matches in an hour.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like there's very little of the, you know, like the coaches, stuff and everything, it's just matches and that thing's dying.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And you know, you got to evolve on to be, you know, nobody's watching that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So, you know, this, like it would have to be on like a USA network or FS one.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I don't think either of those stations are looking for wrestling right now.

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[SPEAKER_00]: CW would be, you know, would be interesting because they could use NXT the night before to promote it and they could go back and forth like they're doing now.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I think that would be probably the most likely destination for them going up against Dynamite.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think it would put a hit on the on Dynamite.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know how much.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think Dynamite would still win, but I do think the Dynamite audience would go down.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Here's the thing and here's what I've been saying, which is because people want to circle back and go, you know, last time they went head up with NXT, look what happened.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I was like, yep, you're right.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's really about how much WWE wants to incorporate.

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[SPEAKER_01]: their main roster talent because if you go back in time, WWE is X amount more popular than they were back when they they went head to head the first time.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So like let's say if you want to use a Cody Rhodes as a on a TNA segment to see how many people would go today more people would would tune in

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[SPEAKER_01]: previous then then the previous time they went head to head.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So that's kind of the the little bit of outlier.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and you're most likely you're going to get like AJ, you know.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, no, I mean, I think they would you that they may not use Cody.

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[SPEAKER_01]: in a program, but if you're just wanting, let's say AEW, let's say Dynamite, the week before we're going to have a world title match on our show.

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[SPEAKER_01]: WWE would go, okay, well, now we got to use Cody, or we got to use punk, or we got to use somebody like that, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's this total week to week thing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, you wouldn't use those guys in a program.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You would use AJ in a program for sure.

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[SPEAKER_00]: See, the problem is we talked about this in the discord.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I agree with the point I think you're trying to make is that if if they do that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Let's say they hear, okay, you know, John Moxley is going to be facing hangman for the world title.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So, the WWE decides, okay, we're going to put Cody and punk on TNA and then they get killed.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They wouldn't, I also on TNA.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They might.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think they would get killed.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They might lose.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They might lose like the demo.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The thing that they showed up in NXT, I think it had a better option of succeeding.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Because I think that the name TNA itself is a negative.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I think no matter what, like if it was a WWE show on Wednesday, it's going to do better than a WWE own TNA.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like I think that name TNA is like, there's a people that just will not watch it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Global course.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I mean an impact wrestling has unfortunately the same thing like it would almost have to be a you know like a rebranded WWE show

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, but that's, I mean, put those three letters in there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's the three letters of the back.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's a problem.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't, like I, I'm just speculating because we don't know till it happens, but I watch TNA and I mean, and okay, so right now, like TNA and XC have a lot of the same people on both shows.

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[SPEAKER_00]: it looks different when you're watching TNA.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like it just, they're in smaller buildings.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Actually, they're not in smaller buildings, but now it may be different if WWE is producing it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So that may make a difference as well because TNA, like their production is fine, but its studio wrestling versus like even though TNA or even though NXT is filmed in a studio, like it just like that crowd is so lively and and it's just got the WWE magic behind it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I still hate it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, yeah, because the backstage stuff is so garbage.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, even even the crowds, though, I don't like seeing the same crowd react to the same stuff every single time.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's not all the same people, but it's pretty clearly a lot.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'd rather see that than, you know, these, these half empty.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, for a hundred percent.

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[SPEAKER_00]: A hundred percent.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, and that's the thing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, and then they do have like TNA has the same guy in the same seat, no matter where they are.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I have you seen this guy like he's.

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[SPEAKER_00]: No, I'm not sure Mike over it knows him, but yeah, he sits in the exact same seat.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I've met him when I went to the Atlantic.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I wonder if TNA underneath the WWE umbrella would get Mike Gilbert back to the podcasting studio.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, I think he'll get back at some point anyways, but I think he do it just for the chaos.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, so I do like, I think it's going to happen.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And if I had to put money on it, I would bet it's going to be CW.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And the funny thing is I said CW like a year ago.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And because it just makes so much sense to have the two nights in a row and

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[SPEAKER_00]: T, uh, C, W has to be happy with the numbers that that NXT is doing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like people talk about A, W, and, and they are showing growth right now, like year-over-year growth, like, without Max.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So, but NXT is as well, and hardly anybody talks about that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So, you know, um, so I, I don't think WWE TNA would be A, W, head to head, but I do

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I don't, and that's part of it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You, you want to beat it, but the other part of it is you want to make them less valuable to the cable ecosystem.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Because like for instance, let's say this whole W, W, B, D discovery thing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Let's see, let's say that the, the side that a W sits on is sold.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Then, you know, whatever unless we probably think WBD still owns a small piece, but whatever, whatever, whatever shakes out, there's just not as much security for Tony Khan, and he would be out there kind of like, you know, in a same market where you have a bunch of these different

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[SPEAKER_01]: media companies tech companies sports companies you know looking to buy for your services

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[SPEAKER_01]: But if WWE goes to the table with those same people and they go, we get the same ratings and we're cheaper, thus, you know, why are you going to work with them?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like there, there's going to be some of that stuff going on.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But I believe that AEW would be able to withstand and still win those weeks for the most part.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But I think it's less about that and it's more about

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[SPEAKER_01]: diminishing their value to the market.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But at the same time, every time we think that the market is like the whole bubble is going to pop, it doesn't.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So maybe they could get more value out of just the idea that even in doing maybe a little bit lesser ratings, they're still going to be valuable because cable sucks right now for rating.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So who knows?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and it also could be, and I think Jason is the one that brought this up in the discord that it could be about positioning.

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[SPEAKER_00]: AW, not as a competitor to a to the WWE SmackDown and Raw, but as a competitor to NXT and TNA, which immediately puts them on a lower tier.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So now instead of competing against the NFL, you're competing against the UFL, you know, like it's so you're saying, yeah, you can have wrestling, you know, there's, there's a lot of, there's Ring of Honor, there's TNA, there's NXT, there's AW, or you can have the premier WWE, you know what I mean?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like,

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[SPEAKER_00]: So if there could be some of that involved as well, I don't know if the broadcasting companies are getting a fall for that, but it may be part of the strategy.

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[SPEAKER_01]: All right, let's hit our last one here.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Now, this piece of information just came out yesterday.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We knew about this Brock and Cena thing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We talked about it last week.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They want to go head to head with all out.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Now, here's the information that we didn't know last week.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They could be debuting on ESPN.

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[SPEAKER_01]: This could be their practice show for the ESPN app in going head to head with all out.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That is an interesting piece of this because it would really be about how hard ESPN promotes this thing, I think, as far as what it could do to dent all out.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But here's, so here's from our friend Brian Rose on FW.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He said, uh, P. W. Insider reported on Sunday that there have been discussions that the previously reported W. W. P. Lee for September, twentieth could end up airing on ESPN going head to head with the all out pay per view.

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[SPEAKER_01]: P. W. Insider describes the move as a preview of the type of programming

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[SPEAKER_01]: WWE will bring to that new partnership.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Additionally, they were told that plans to unveil the still announced PLE, including where it will be broadcast will be announced sometime this week.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So we will have an idea sometime this week.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Now, here's the thing that I immediately thought and my buddy John Quinn and I were texting about it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Can they put it on the linear ESPN channel?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Our friend Ryan Frederick says not so fast because they have college football.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I would imagine college football rates better than anything to be able to do even even for a middle-throwed game.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But then

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[SPEAKER_01]: Brian tweeted, I can, Brian Alvarez tweeted, I can confirm the working idea is this September, Brock, for to see an appeal, the airing on ESPN and perhaps all of the other PLEs this year as well.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Wow.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So how does that work?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Peacock is just going to be like, all right, we're good.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe ESPN buys them out.

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[SPEAKER_00]: ESPN could license them from from.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe WWE's already filled their contract of how many PLEs are allowed to do because of all these extra ones they've been doing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Because the original story about ESPN was it was going to start at WrestleMania next year.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We're talking, you know, eight months.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, or whatever it is until I had, I had a thought.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Now, Brian's a point about not airing on ESPN against, you know, replacing college football made a lot of sense.

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[SPEAKER_00]: What if they did a thing where they put it live on the app, but then aired at the next day on ESPN?

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[SPEAKER_00]: So now not not only are you airing it head to head with a W, but you're also possibly hurting the replay value of people buying a W by airing something the same week in an ESPN.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So where a lot of people might all that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He W show was great, but well, you know what?

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[SPEAKER_00]: There's this W show on ESPN.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe I'll just watch that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: that they could do that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I think a lot of people would watch it the next day on ESPN because the app is still fairly new.

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[SPEAKER_00]: People probably don't even know they have it in a lot of cases, you know, like, you know, so they might do that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But I do think like a Brock scene imagine ESPN where wherever it is.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's going to hurt you.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like this is a question.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, the question is is whether or not ESPN wants to hurt themselves by replacing college football with it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like I don't

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I would probably bet against that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But still, being on the app, like let's say, I don't know how, yeah, ESPN's probably in sixty-some odd million homes out of that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know how many people would get the app because I don't think they've done all the deals.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I will get the app.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But so if you even say half,

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[SPEAKER_01]: That would be thirty million people who would have access to that show.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then how many over the top that they sell, I think they only expect to get to like two million non cable homes in like the first year.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So they have some smaller goals, but still.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, let's say there's twenty to thirty million homes with this app on day one who could watch that show.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That is a, that is a nice little, a nice little audience for whatever negativity wants to run.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then you have also have that week of

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[SPEAKER_01]: You're going to see lots of WWE talent on the shows.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, what I don't know, who knows what kind of shows that they're going to create for this app, right, because you need content on on this app.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Pat Matt, can you imagine how much how many wrestlers are going to be in the Pat McAfee show that week?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, there's probably a problem.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Any any mention of a w is going to be super negative like I think they're going to be playing dirty though they may not just want to bring up a w just to not even get the name out there, but it's going to be.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think it's going to be, it's going to kind of bring out the worst of the competition here, so I don't know.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And it's funny, because with ESPN now, they're probably going to use that Mac if you show as a newsbreaker kind of show.

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[SPEAKER_00]: If you got a new sign, you put them on the Pat Mac if you show, because they got a lot of viewers for that show.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And in their minds, especially Nick Con, like he thinks, oh, everybody that watches sports watches Pat Mac.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, it's not true at all.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, there's a there's a social aspect to Pat McAfee true.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, because his group of of his team is production team is really good at

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[SPEAKER_01]: finding, you know, finding the younger audience through social and certain the fact that the show's also streamed on YouTube for one.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's not only, again, it's also, I guess any news where the item that comes up on that show is probably viewed by like, ten times as many people as actually watched it, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Because it's immediately on YouTube and that, yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's really the part like the Pat McAfee, WWE relationship on the same network is kind of perfect.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, absolutely.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and knuckleheads in the same like like just that, you know, that that bro style that Pat McAfee does like that fits a decent part of WWE's young demographic.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, he should he should get in those those frappoys from our wage.

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[SPEAKER_01]: who the four with a four-year-old college student like imagine if Pat McAfee knew who swiped right was he would just have just sit in like they're the Ed McMan's on his show.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, that's coming.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's coming.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They'd steal.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, man, she'd be.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I know way too much about those guys.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I watch all that stuff.

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[SPEAKER_01]: All right, so let's try and do a, you know, we're a month out.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Just a little bit over a month out.

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[SPEAKER_01]: and we'll have more finalized stuff, it sounds like later this week.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But let's say all out, let's say it is in the neighborhood of like a hundred and fifteen thousand buys.

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[SPEAKER_01]: What percentage of a chunk do you think WWE could take out of their number?

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I would say probably twenty to twenty five percent.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I was thinking about that too.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, unless you're down, you're talking ninety ninety five.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Which again, like in the big picture, you know, like that's nothing, you know, it's totally half a million dollars.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, I think the bigger thing is to the ego.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, well, ego, but you're, you're just trying to take up all of the internet space with more stuff.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, over AEWs.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And that's what I think ultimately all this counterprogramming is about.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's not about, you know, hurting the buy rates.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like I don't think WWE cares one bit that all in got a hundred and eighty thousand.

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[SPEAKER_00]: buys.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think what they care about is Google searches.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And, you know, like other things that we're not even looking at.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like they care way more about that stuff than we do, because they want to be, they don't want AW to get that kind of same kind of momentum that they got in, twenty, nineteen, twenty, twenty, twenty, twenty-one.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like they're trying to make sure that doesn't happen again.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I think that they'd be better off just worrying about their own product, but that's not the tactic they can apparently.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And the one, the one way the sink could work against them is if there's so much product that it just burns out their own fans.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We haven't seen that yet, by the way.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Or if something really bad happens with like Brock, you know, in that lawsuit, and it bites them in the ass.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like if something breaks on that weekend, you might be like, I mean, like if Dana White slaps his wife or something.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, if I'm, and whatever her last name is, the lawyer for her.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Add call us.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I should have remembered that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: If I'm an analyst, and I got news about Brock, I'm saving it for September, nineteenth.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, like you want that out there, the day he comes back on SmackDown, which I guess would be September twelfth, maybe, because that's yeah, that's when he's, I think he's returning to WWE TV.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I believe is the schedule right now.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, you want that out there timely, and you want WWE to look bad.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So if there's anything that's going to breakable Brock, it's going to be on that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: By the way, I didn't mean to make light of

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[SPEAKER_01]: Dana Wife's Dana White's.

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[SPEAKER_01]: No, no, but I know what you mean, but like that that was a blip for like a little while and no one even cares.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And the timing should have been horrible.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like power stop was just about.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, you and didn't hurt him at all.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Dude, you got the cut that on camera too.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Is they're going to end up power stops falling in and up getting a meteorite steel out of all this, which is ridiculous.

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[SPEAKER_01]: All right, what's up with dynamite show this weekend.

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[SPEAKER_01]: What is it?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Is there anything?

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[SPEAKER_01]: I guess I mean, it is the special dynamite go home show for forbidden door.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, it's glad to go.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So it's going to be a hot crowd and, you know, probably when it's over.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's got to be a tape show, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They're taping it early in the day.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So, but I don't think it would be up for us.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, but I, I won't see them.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm sure, you know, yeah, and then they're doing, I think a second taping on Thursday for the Saturday religion.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so I'm sure like Wednesday's going to be a good show.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They tend to like the go homes tend to actually be the week before that they do the really good go home show, but last week's sucked.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I think this week is actually going to be really good.

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[SPEAKER_01]: What about booking the cage match already last week?

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then setting up the angle to book the cage match that will happen on Wednesday.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then you got Moxie wrestling in this on here too.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I think top of the baby.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, they're tag teaming.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He's tag teaming with Jets beat against the death writer.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Good Lord speedboat.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm sure they'll don't do something like goofy together.

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[SPEAKER_01]: This is a special.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, speedball should do the air guitar with Tanaashi.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yeah, Kevin night.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: All right, that is it from here.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We will be back actually.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We'll see about next week because if you're not watching forbidden door and there's takes about forbidden door.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know that it'll be the timely show.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But might not work, but I think the plan I have to figure out the plan.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think Jeremy and I are going to come back on Sunday because it is Sunday, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: The people you send day.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's so early in the day.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't really know the time yet, but I think Jeremy and I are going to recap for Bindor.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think it's some plans.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Thirty year time at the start.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's really early for us by stuff to do in the morning.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I won't be able to start it until the delay.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'll probably not even like two hours in.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'll be able to start watching.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But I'm all fired up for heatwave, man.

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[SPEAKER_00]: What's the main event on that show?

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[SPEAKER_00]: I had no idea.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think it's trick Williams and Oberfemmy.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Did you even watch trick against Moose?

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[SPEAKER_00]: When was that?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Was that the emergence?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, I haven't watched it yet.

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[SPEAKER_00]: No.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's on the dock.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's on the dock.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm sure that'll be great.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They had that eight man tag that they had on NXT last week.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That was awesome.

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[SPEAKER_00]: All right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That is it from here.

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[SPEAKER_01]: For Paul.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I am WG.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We'll see when we see you piece out.