Halloween Havoc 1993 - Cactus Jack vs. Vader, Spin the Wheel | The Watchback

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[SPEAKER_02]: It is the watch back and I have two guys who people have asked me when are these guys going to do a show together.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I think Jeff, you've been on with us when we've done fight game podcasts, right?

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, so but for the watch back and I've done the actual fight game once I'd have you been on with John this is not the only one God.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, really this is the first time man.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, a John.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_02]: There we go.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So As you would expect with John and Jeff we're gonna kind of go back in time a little bit.

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[SPEAKER_02]: We're not gonna cover 20 25 wrestling We're gonna cover something from 1993 of all time periods by the way

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[SPEAKER_02]: reading through the observers of this time frame is was very depressing.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Like outside of WWE, so WWE goes into new arenas like there's there's a bunch of new arenas that are are opening up and I think they go.

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[SPEAKER_02]: The Boston Garden, the new Boston Garden or something for Survivor Series, and they sell out like crazy because it's like the first time WWE's there.

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[SPEAKER_02]: San Jose Arena gets like a house show for their first house show and they do like a good number, but otherwise, like as they're going back to normal shows, like they're not drawing.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And I was telling John this the other day,

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[SPEAKER_02]: the Omni, which is like the home of WCW, they did 800 fans on an Omni show.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And then they canceled the holiday one, which I think was going to be on Thanksgiving or sometime around this.

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[SPEAKER_02]: They just flat out canceled it because they're like, nope, we're not going to do this show.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So wrestling is struggling at this point.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But when I asked John a few months ago, what show would you be interested in doing?

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[SPEAKER_02]: And I think he said how we have like 93.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And I was like interesting.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Like it's the one good show from this entire time period, even in the fan bases who are kind of just

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[SPEAKER_02]: watching wrestling because they love wrestling.

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[SPEAKER_02]: They're like, okay, we can say this one was good and you can even look at the observer feedback.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And there's some thumbs in the middle because of the finishes, but lots of thumbs up on this one.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So we decided October 24th, 1993.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Halloween havoc is the show that we are going to cover.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And so in case folks have never watched an episode of

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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm going to go over a lot of the history time period in John and Jeff, you guys can crack wise whenever you see an opening.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And we're just going to go through the history of the time.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I got some quotes from Mick Foley's book about what was going on around this time in his career.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And then we'll talk about the event and I have some questions for these guys as far as what what they thought about certain things and thinking from a 2025 mindset and going back to 1993, but before we even get there John explain your wrestling fandom in October of 1993, where are you how old are you what are you watching like what what are you doing the wrestling at this point.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Well, I'm a freshman in high school at this time and my my family was still pretty strong.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I still was watching WVF WCW and to me, because I wasn't we didn't get many house shows and sounds they would the W the W if when I went to there was a good crowd there, but W stubby I did not get anything out in the Bayers.

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[SPEAKER_03]: It's like I think.

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[SPEAKER_03]: They're in 1991, I went to that show and sounds a and I was a lot of fun.

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[SPEAKER_03]: But like for me, I didn't like read the observer.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So I didn't know what attendance was.

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[SPEAKER_03]: You get the processing.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm still getting processing illustrated magazines and they don't tell you the attendance in the processing illustrated magazines.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So to me, I'm thinking like wrestling is fine.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And so it wasn't so like years later that I realized this was a really down time.

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[SPEAKER_03]: But to me, like in 1993, I

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[SPEAKER_03]: Other than fall brawl and the battlebowl paviy which is that comes up the following this one in November I like Beach Blast I like I like Star K 93 get that was really good, especially that main event Super brawl was really good so they had some really good shows

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[SPEAKER_03]: uh... for paper we wise of mine it's mine it's like it's a fault wrong battle but out i was still totally into it i was watching it uh... none of my friends the time we're for watching it i was just online to myself it was my own thing you know but uh... i i was still big fan right jeff what about you i was a third year at uva i was i was mostly lapsed but i spent a lot of time

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[SPEAKER_00]: in computer labs on use net on rexport pro wrestling.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I was, and I would get to, you know, if I could watch Saturdays, I sometimes do it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'd, you know, I'd follow along scramble vision on pay for you with the IRC chat at rexport pro wrestling had a lot.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I was trying to find my way back on to prodigy because I had really enjoyed that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: and being on there and talking to a bunch of guys including one Dutch man tell who my two days in wrestling training in Smoky Mountain.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, wow.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, um, I sporadically got Smoky Mountain wrestling.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It would come on the Richmond station at 1 a.m. after Saturday Night Live.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Sometimes I'd watch Raw sometime after,

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[SPEAKER_00]: Peppain practice if Monday night football wasn't good.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I really did not like raw at all didn't like the hammer seat ball room.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I thought all the, you know, other than Sean and and Brett and maybe Mr.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Perfect there wasn't anything I really liked about them.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I've never been a WWE F guy.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I was a crocket guy and so WCW being bad kind of broke my heart a bit.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, and, you know, they had gotten into trying to be WWF a little bit more, and it was just like this isn't what I want to watch quite frankly, although I did like Vader a lot, but all the

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[SPEAKER_00]: All the excitement on line was, I mean, Austin was an internet darling at the time.

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[SPEAKER_00]: WCW, but Smokey Mountain Eastern Championship Wrestling, not yet ECW, and Japan were the big deals there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I also remember this was the day after Virginia beat number 17 North Carolina and Toronto won their last World Series in 1993

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[SPEAKER_02]: Who?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Paul Mollinger.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, there you go.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Paul Mollinger former Milwaukee brewer Paul Mollinger.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_03]: That's all right.

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[SPEAKER_03]: How do you have for me was a guaranteed birthday gift purchase because my birthday is in October.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So it was like one of my number one ass was I need to order the paper for you.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Which I think was like 20 bucks back then, you know, so now I mean, well now we shoot.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Well, he's like 30 bucks, right?

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[SPEAKER_03]: A month, but others, you know, pretty decent price.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So you know, back where are you still at the age where you were watching with friends and getting together or where are you?

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[SPEAKER_03]: No, no, my friends are out.

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[SPEAKER_03]: They just, you know, I was who embarrassed.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So you even talked to him about wrestling.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_03]: My best friend growing up was the one that got me into wrestling.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And like within a year, he was out.

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[SPEAKER_03]: He was like on to basketball and everything else.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And I was like,

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[SPEAKER_03]: just glued to my TV like area and anything any wrestling that happened in wrestling ring on television I was watching it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, because the football players and the kids from Southwest Virginia were still wrestling fans.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like my best friend in band was from the, like the Southwest Algonquin Lorraine.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He was like big, big horseman fan.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But always, hoggots, what are the horsemen coming back and go out?

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[SPEAKER_02]: That's what I'm talking about.

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[SPEAKER_02]: That's what I'm talking about.

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[SPEAKER_02]: That's funny.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, so where am I?

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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm so I would be a senior in high school and I am kind of out at this point because I was a Hogan guy, Hogan's gone from WWE and I tried my best to get into Brett Hart.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I liked bread heart.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It didn't love bread heart.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I remember in 1992 My buddy calls me up and he's like you'll never guess who just won the WWE of title and I was like Hogan's back he's like nope and I went through like a bunch of guys.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I was like savage nope

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[SPEAKER_02]: And I got eventually got to the hitman.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It was like my fifth or sixth guess.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And he's like, yep, hitman's the champion.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And I was just like, how, why?

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[SPEAKER_02]: What, like, what, what for?

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[SPEAKER_02]: Like, did he just never seemed like that guy to me?

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[SPEAKER_02]: And then by 93,

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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm like the gimmicks in WWE F at the time.

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[SPEAKER_02]: We're pretty bad.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I was still watching I think I had I don't know if I had a scramble box at that point But I was still somehow watching the paper views.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I just was not locked into the weekly TV anymore

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[SPEAKER_02]: And then it would actually be when Hogan comes into WCW the next summer, when I would get back into it, at least to the WCW side.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And then I would sort of be in with WCW kind of back and forth with WWF.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And then of course, in like 96 and 97, then I'm back with WWF.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But I thought I was going to be out.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You know the thing that kind of kept me into it is kind of like what Jeff was saying

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[SPEAKER_02]: When I sort of figured out that, you know, because I'd known Dave Meltzer through the national actually, the newspaper that he was writing.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that he was writing in, and then fast forward a few years, and then you would see his stuff kind of get posted or quoted a lot on the internet and I was like, wow, this is this is kind of crazy.

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[SPEAKER_00]: No, it's from her, but every Thursday, just crib everything.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So, you know, it's funny is the first time I ever read Dave's piece on Montreal, somebody copied and pasted the entire thing as a web page on the internet.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It was just like literally you clicked on the link and you just got the whole story.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I was like, what the hell is going on here?

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[SPEAKER_02]: So, you know, this was an in between time for me because 91, I'm locked in, I'm first starting to learn about the backstage stuff, then I lose, you know, I'm going to about to go into college.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So, wrestling's a little secondary, but then I'm back in once I find Dave again and so that was that's kind of always been the glue for me is just the ability to know about things other than what you see on television.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So,

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[SPEAKER_02]: That's where I'm at in 93 and let's let's take a look at where WCW is at in 93.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So you guys remember this.

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[SPEAKER_02]: They do that first really long worldwide taping in Orlando, which kicks off their Disney partnership and they tape like three months of television.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So the fans who were there, who were actually there as wrestling fans were reporting back going like, well, in this match, this person had a title.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But then in this next match, this other person came out with the same title.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And then it went back to this guy.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And so they realized that they taped like so many months.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And so they gave away a lot of the title changes, which were going to happen on the paper view

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[SPEAKER_02]: Uh, and so the the the fandom of WCW, if you think about it, it really starts WCW going downhill with their own hometown fan base kind of starts a 91 with flare leaving and they're still flares now back because Vince, it doesn't want to use them on the top of the card.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So flare is able to come back to WCW, but that doesn't even really help and Dave writes in the observer.

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[SPEAKER_02]: he writes for those wishing to write to TBS about the state the company is in I'm told not to send letters to Ted Turner because letters on rustling sent to Turner will be sent without being read back to WCW.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Probably the best bet is to call TBS programming and he gives the the number to voice your opinion.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So fans were so mad that they were sending

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[SPEAKER_02]: Uh, and then so in the summer, July 26th is the observer issue date.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Uh, Dave starts writing about who's going to book this because this so we're in a post bill Watts era pre right right before Eric Bishop gets a little bit of, um, of push as far as being in management.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So post bill Watts and then, you know, the whole kit fry and all that stuff and, um,

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[SPEAKER_02]: Terry Funk and Jerry Jarrett are considered to be options for the booking position.

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[SPEAKER_02]: The next week later, Dave writes mostly, Funk isn't being considered because he made it clear in a meeting with Bill Shaw that he didn't like having to clear all of his booking ideas through Eric Bischoff.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So there you go, if not, if not for Bishop, maybe Terry Funk books for six months and probably gets frustrated and fails anyways.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And then the next week, Dave writes that well, they found what they're booking, who their booker is and it's actually going to be.

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[SPEAKER_02]: reverting back to the booking committee with dusty roads, only Anderson, Eric Bischoff, Greg Gagne and Mike Graham being involved.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But the final decision-making power rests with Eric Bischoff, who seems to be the most influential individual in the WCW organization, since Bill Shaw is crediting the Disney tapings.

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[SPEAKER_02]: As a major success,

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[SPEAKER_02]: and Bischoff is getting the lion's share of credit for these shows because what what is he do he just saves them a ton of money and that's why all of a sudden he is in such high favor.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm sorry the first time I saw Bischoff on WCW and with that guy from AWA who sucks they put him on here oh my god

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[SPEAKER_03]: And I believe he beat out Tony Shivani for that spot because I didn't Tony Shivani was trying to become the was executive producer of W.C.W.

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[SPEAKER_03]: and I think I fish off someone that one out.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I think you know, fish off the salesman.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And he won one of those guys over as I I think that's what they always said he was able to talk to the knockout the corporate America and got on that job.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, as as a salesman, he's actually really bad on this Halloween

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[SPEAKER_03]: I yeah, I saw him on the dying days of a. W. A. I mean, I wasn't really judging commentators at the time, but I remember not being super impressed.

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[SPEAKER_03]: You didn't press me.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I remember really showed up to

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[SPEAKER_03]: WCW, I was like, oh, they got him, you know, like, I love 89 when he had Ross, Jim Ross, Bob Cottle, Lance Russell, Gordon Sully, who else do we have at the time?

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[SPEAKER_03]: Jim Cornet was on commentary.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Terry Funk was on commentary.

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[SPEAKER_03]: You know, so it was like, I was like, oh, I mean, if I missed those days, that was one of my favorite years.

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[SPEAKER_03]: That was Bruce, Chris, yeah.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Who wasn't too bad till you find out later on life,

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[SPEAKER_02]: So because of these months-long tapings, Dave had actually said, you know what's gonna happen is, is that someone's gonna get hurt, someone's gonna get mad, and these tapings are gonna be out of order, and they're gonna have to fill in blanks.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And that's what happens with one road warrior hawk.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So hawk is supposed to be this mystery partner for Dustin Rhodes, as well as be in war games.

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[SPEAKER_02]: then they can't find the dude and then they finally do find it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm just wondering if he just held them up for more money or what was the the case was going to be.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But then because Hawke was kind of like they couldn't really get a hold of him or or know that he was going to be in war games, they had a backup plan.

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[SPEAKER_02]: That backup plan becomes the shock master.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So Hawk does come back, and he's like, I'm in, but they had already promised Fred Otman that he was coming in, so they went ahead with the shock master as part of war games, and they let Hawk still be Dustin's partner.

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[SPEAKER_02]: which creates like one of the most infamous moments in WCW history with announcing the shockmaster in a stormtrooper mask through that cardboard cutout and he just falls on his ass or falls on his face and they turn it into the angle of him being a clots.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_03]: That was pretty bad.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I recall also I don't know my timelines, but two of the guys who were going to these marathon debbies are Craig Johnson and Scott Hudson, the go away.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think they're the ones leaking into RSVW early share.

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[SPEAKER_03]: You know, yeah, there you go, and then you know, what they would do is like say they had a belt on the guy, but at the time where they're airing the match, they would not show the entrance and just show like the bell ringing and then, you know, Rick is team will rest be wrestling or some whoever, you know, so that's how they would kind of cover it up in the post, but it was, it was.

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[SPEAKER_03]: It was a history time.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I hated seeing the negative title reigns when I was up close to be a big title history guy and loved length of reigns and who how me times people won of etc.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And then when I would do right out the history back that I just loved right out the history and I would see that like, you know, free bird negative title reign that's going to go on.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I think it's me was a buckhouse buck in Dick Slater had a negative tile rain or me I think there's something and I've been the barbarian in Dick Slater if I'm recalling

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[SPEAKER_03]: It's a new style.

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[SPEAKER_03]: They were the one the last U.S. title.

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[SPEAKER_03]: They wanted it like, hey, this match is going to happen on this date.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And they win it and they got retired.

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[SPEAKER_03]: By the way, it's going to be higher that day.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Like, okay, thanks.

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[SPEAKER_03]: That's good.

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[SPEAKER_03]: We got to get rid of that building.

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[SPEAKER_03]: But it was, uh, I just hate the negative towel rings.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I was just strobing nuts when I would see that.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And it was like, kind of break my heart.

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[SPEAKER_03]: You know, like, uh, this is bullshit.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And I was, I could never like,

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[SPEAKER_03]: wrap my mind around like why would they do that why it just so simple do it here then do it there like it just drove me nuts but I didn't realize they were taping like you know three months worth of taping is at that little studio yeah yeah so so then

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[SPEAKER_02]: Um, you know, then we get the, you know, these, these paper views are are kind of frowned upon.

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[SPEAKER_02]: The John said he did, uh, he did like a couple of them, uh, but Oli Anderson, this is funny.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know if you guys had ever heard this because even in my rereading of this, I was like, gosh, I don't remember remember this.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So Oli Anderson is doing a WCW hotline.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Oli Anderson is really mad.

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[SPEAKER_02]: at the people writing about wrestling.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I think he calls them the rag writers in his hotline.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And he says, although before you go on, I'm imagining some 12-year-old going, you know what?

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to call the 900 number at like $1.49 a minute to list the grizzled ass.

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[SPEAKER_00]: What's bitter,

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[SPEAKER_03]: What's funny is like, for Dave to call these hot, they're very hot lines and listen to what their content is to report back on it too, you know?

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[SPEAKER_03]: Like, is he listening to Missy's mailbag?

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[SPEAKER_03]: Is he listening?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Tell me what Steve Beverly's saying about that.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, well, what he's also, what he's also probably doing is he's trying to figure out what that business is so that he could do it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Is he probably going to do it too?

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and maybe he was even doing it back then.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't, I don't, I don't know.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Did he call the UW of Captain Luobano Bruno San Martino

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, Ocarlin was coming in to do it at this time.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So Ocarlin is coming in, but they kind of hold him out.

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[SPEAKER_02]: He's not like in like right now.

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[SPEAKER_02]: There was something with the contractor something where he couldn't come in immediately.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But, you know, just for people who don't know, there was a hotline for everything.

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[SPEAKER_02]: This was a major hustle.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Like I remember being a kid.

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[SPEAKER_02]: and taking down the number for dial-a-muppet, like anything that you were a fan of, there was a hotline for, and it was totally like really tempting for kids and they're hoping that kids do it behind their parents' back, and then when the parent gets to the cell, or the phone build, and they see these numbers, and they've got to try and figure out what it is.

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[SPEAKER_02]: There's a total con game back then for that stuff.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So, Oly Anderson, what he does is he challenges any of these rag writers to face him in the ring for $10,000.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Guess who calls him out?

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[SPEAKER_02]: It's not Dave, by the way.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But guess who calls his bluff on his challenge?

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[SPEAKER_02]: Wait, Keller.

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[SPEAKER_02]: None other than Mark Madden.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, my God.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Mark Madden is doing it mostly so that he can just write content for whatever newspaper he's writing for and he calls the bluff and he actually gets lawyers involved WCW lawyers and only has to basically say that he was just kidding like he wasn't like this wasn't a serious thing because Mark Madden's like

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[SPEAKER_02]: I want to go, and now when I get my $10,000, I'm going to get in the ring with him, and you guys will pay me $10,000, I was like that's what he said, and so then they had to tell Oleda apologize and say that it was not true what he was what he was going to do in this.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, now here's something that's really sad.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So the city of San Antonio buys a WCW show.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I think it was for the

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[SPEAKER_02]: which in 90 little theater there are the actual dome dome type that that's what I couldn't figure that part out because I was trying to think of where was the the spurs were playing in like the hemisphere arena or something where I'm trying to think of like the 91 90 that early 90 spurs but I maybe the elbow dome was there by then but anyway so that they buy the show and they pay WCW whatever was $50,000 or whatever to have the show

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[SPEAKER_02]: And they can't sell any tickets to this thing.

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[SPEAKER_02]: They sell 400 tickets to the show.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And they got money in the marketing and everything.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And they basically have to cancel it because they can't get enough people to come out of this show and WCW's pissed because they don't get the money that they were promised for this show.

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[SPEAKER_02]: 400 tickets is all that they could sell before they, they pulled the rug out from under them.

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[SPEAKER_02]: All right, so beach blast paper view happens is this where they did that that little movie for the commercial.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, but Dave doesn't Davey Boy Smith actually pin Vader on this show.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Uh, I think he does with like a crucifix roll up or whatever.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_03]: This is when I think as first time I saw a video to the moon saw, I believe, too.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And he hits it on day boy, which is insane.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So there's talk around this time.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And I was actually wondering if you guys even remembered this.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Dave writes much, much discussion within the company about the plan to make dust and roads the world champion.

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[SPEAKER_02]: He says, nobody has anything bad to say about Rose as a person, and most everyone compliments him being a good worker, but you'd be hard pressed to find many who see him as someone to be put in position as World Champion, particularly, particularly when his match was the focal match, when the TBS rating dropped.

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[SPEAKER_02]: The rating for this past Saturday may be looked at as if it isn't good.

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[SPEAKER_02]: That'll make two of three weeks when the TV's built around him that didn't draw.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And this is a company where Saturday TV ratings are looked at ahead of and almost to the exclusion of every other business criteria.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, I remember him being featured, but I don't remember him being pushed at that level or being discussed as being at that level.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Do you guys?

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[SPEAKER_00]: He was a tag team wrestler mostly with steamboat and then wind it right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and then I agree with his just because that would be my guess.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Well, yeah, of course, what did he win.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Well, it didn't have to remember these to have the cable cup or something.

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[SPEAKER_02]: What was that?

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[SPEAKER_00]: You didn't even that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Can you cable?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Can you cable?

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[SPEAKER_02]: So I just remember him being in a match with Vader.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't remember the time frame, though, where Vader beats him, but like he has like a really good match.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And I was wondering if this was around the same time.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I can't remember.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I remember Starkey and any two, they had battle bull and I think Vader and Rhodes were one of the teams that got put together and then they won the match through the handrails and then Vader just closed lines of crap out of Rhodes.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I thought like, I remember then a plan to see in my head that I thought they should do a match for the titles.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Vader defending its desks and roads with of course Harley and Vader's corner and then you have dusty and doesn't score just seems so natural and I can even see Like dust and winning a title and do like a short rain like his dad would have you know back then.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I always thought that was was going to happen in 93 and it's never did.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He was never a good promo at this time though.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I couldn't see it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I always liked him as a wrestler.

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[SPEAKER_02]: We thought he was a really good wrestler and on this show, he has a really good match with all.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, the finish.

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[SPEAKER_02]: The fit a lot of finish on the show sucked.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But you know, I thought, I don't know.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Is this the second best match on the show behind the main event?

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[SPEAKER_03]: Not the second.

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[SPEAKER_03]: No.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Well, what do you want to have that like a mess?

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[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, you like to tag title match better.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Tag title match probably better than the match.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think I might have wriggle in Davey boy above it, but it was still good match.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So at this point, uh, fall bro 93.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know if I've ever seen a main paper view feedback in the Observer like this one.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So there was 300 and almost 350 feedbacks that Dave got.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Four thumbs up.

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[SPEAKER_02]: out of 350 for a fall brawl 318 thumbs down then the rest were in the middle.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So I don't know, maybe there's some shows in the future that did worse than this, but I this that that was like kind of crazy to us so surprised to see four people giving that show a thumbs up.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Do you guys remember that show?

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm looking it up to see if I remember it, that's the war games, right?

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[SPEAKER_03]: That's the war games, right?

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[SPEAKER_03]: I remember it.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Pretty good detail.

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[SPEAKER_03]: It flair, rude, the first match, regal wins the title from Steam boat in the opener.

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[SPEAKER_03]: That there's a bunch of random matches, like Charlie Norris versus the equalizer, maybe?

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[SPEAKER_03]: Big Sky.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Big Sky.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_03]: The Taylor Main.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yes.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Sabertooth and the first X-Men film.

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[SPEAKER_00]: No, the equalizer team with Paul Orndor, if I guess Mark is a bag well.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, and who won that match was Scorpion Bagwell, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, that's the match right after Orndor just gets like either Bagwell or Scorpio, a shoot German, just like dumps them on there.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Like just after the bell was awesome.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And the nasty boys won the tag titles from Arnie Anderson and Paul Roma, the horseman at that time.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And the words.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Will shock master was in that with Dustin right Dustin.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, you're only missing one match or two ice train versus someone Actually, then the right I strain had a squash against Shanghai peers here.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah Regal Regal Beach steamboat for the TV belt.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_02]: That was an cactus jack beat Yoshi

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[SPEAKER_00]: because that's essentially his comeback match from this we'll talk about this this mixed storyline was that the comeback match from Austin Cleveland or was this the comeback match from Austin Cleveland I thought I thought the Yoshi quant match caused him to go on this journey.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't remember in the way that he tells the story in his book, he kind of bounces back and forth because this time frame for him isn't even really about the Vader match.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It's about how he's getting edged out because of the show.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'll tell you what's really good was I watched a VHS group of Halloween havoc with the pre-show.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They explained everything about this dumb angle.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's really great.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So let's actually talk about this.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So this is in mix first book.

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[SPEAKER_02]: The one that was like the surprise best seller of all the sellers.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So he mentioned Bishop and saying that

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[SPEAKER_02]: he was obviously he was a Ross guy, Jim Ross was taken off of TV, sort of read the wind correctly and then bailed out to WWE F. He said that he was one of the few guys, this is Mick talking.

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[SPEAKER_02]: One of the few guys who actually treated Bishop with respect, because mostly people just treated him like, you know, like a mark.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And then so then when Bishop gets the position, mix like I'm

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[SPEAKER_02]: But then he says that fish off starts getting people in his ear and all of a sudden people are putting up to him and it makes it's not in high standing with fish off anymore.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So then he writes that, uh, only who we just mentioned as part of the book in committee, just absolutely hated Mick because of

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[SPEAKER_02]: just his way of wrestling, I guess, his style.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So Ole was out on him.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And so then he goes to Dusty, and he isn't, he's trying to explain to Dusty that when his character is just about how much punishment he could take and keep getting up,

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[SPEAKER_02]: He says really hard for the heels to get heat because he just did the characters as he's gets up from everything.

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[SPEAKER_02]: He just absorbs all this punishment and he gets up.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So you try to talk to Dusty about, you know, I do need to sell this stuff.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Like I can't take these crazy bumps and just keep moving forward.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Like I really need to just, you know, be kind of like normal selling wrestler.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And so as he's explaining it to Dusty, Dusty gets this epiphany and he's like,

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and then you actually can feel pain.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And then you get amnesia.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So, Mick is hearing Dusty's like, you know, we've seen this like people will do their Dusty in personation when he gets like this grandiose idea and how he kind of starts acting into it and selling it to himself.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And as Dusty is selling the angle to Mick, the thing that catches Mick's ears

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[SPEAKER_02]: will take you off TV for four months.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Don't worry, you'll still get paid.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And at that point, Mick was like, I'm in.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And he just had to butter up dusty and be like, yeah, I love it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Like, this is great.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So that amnesia angle takes Mick out four months.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And so then this Vader match is really like his comeback match, his revenge match.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But what Mick realizes is that on all of the tapings that have already been taped because they taped so much television in advance, mix not on any of these tapings.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So he's like, what happens to me and does he's like, yeah, I don't really know.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, I don't worry, Dan, I will get you back on TV, you've got before the paper view.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And I think the, um, I think he like the next thing is he's like in a tag team with like Max Payne or something like that's where he goes from here.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So that's where we are, before this show, and Dave on the week of Dave's recap of this show, which I think is the November 1st issue.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Dave starts the issue with a question and an answer.

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[SPEAKER_02]: The question is, how is it impossible,

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[SPEAKER_02]: to put together a show where from Bell to Bell the match quality is the highest of any paper view show since February and is topped off by arguably the best match Bell to Bell of the year in this country and still have it only be a marginal thumbs up.

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[SPEAKER_02]: and then the answer is have dusty roads book the finishes.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So that is how he kicks off.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And then, you know, if you go back to read this issue, like Dave is talking about the ails of

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[SPEAKER_02]: These, the way that resting is he's also talking about all Japan and all Japan women and how they're just destroying their bodies in order to get that reaction from the fans and he's saying this is like we're going in a bad direction here.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well that, but it's like it's obvious he doesn't enjoy WCW.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So, let's talk about all Japan women for the pre-per-per-per-per-per-per-per-per-per-per-per-per-per-per-per-per-per-per-per-per-per-per-per-per-per-per-per-per-per-per-per-per-per-per-per-per-per-per-per-per-per-per-per-per-per-per-per-per-per-per-per-per-per-per-per-per-per-per-per-per-per-per-per-per-per-per-per-per-per-per-per-per-per-per-per-per-per-per-per-per-per-per-per-per-per-per-per-per-per-per-per-per-per-per-per-per-per-per-per-per-per-per-per-per-per-

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[SPEAKER_00]: Cactus Jack carried this little bag with him and he'd tie it up in the turnbuckle before his matches and so Vader

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[SPEAKER_00]: Power bombs among the concrete, he loses his memory.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He takes his bag, and I think he gave it to Yoshi Kwan, who was also being managed by Harley, and that's how he came back and when I, so it was, it was, he was getting these powers of invincibility, I guess.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I guess that's how dusty viewed it or something.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And from this little bag.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so it kind of like the earn from the undertaker dusty had this epiphany.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, he had the bag that he cared with them.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I give him the power.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And so I and I think on.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know if it was one of the TVs, but Mick kind of goes into business for himself a little bit.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And he's like, oh, I was, you know, that whole thing didn't really, wasn't really amnesia.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I was like playing mine games with these guys.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And so he goes into a zone angle.

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[SPEAKER_00]: No, they wrecked, they wrecked on that, on the, on the, on the, I believe on the paper, me might have been just on the pressure, but I think it was on the paper, you do.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But we're in that whole thing was, oh, he's playing mine games with Vader and Harley race.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Man, what a, what a time.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, so the show, now I'll run down the results and then we can talk about some of the stuff that you guys remember.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So University of New Orleans Lakefront Arena, 6,000 fans, 8,500 capacity, Dave has it as about 3,000 paid.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And like the look of this building,

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[SPEAKER_02]: There was a couple of shots where they had some wide shots and you could see the highest parts of the building was pretty scattered as far as fans were, but the building itself kind of looked

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[SPEAKER_02]: I guess it's bigger, but now AEW dresses up some of these current buildings that are like 3,000 or that kind of look like the San Jose Civic, but this looked like a just a cookie cutter college arena, which is what it was, but I didn't kind of looked, I was like man, this is where you're running a paper view like that was kind of a weird thing for me to see, but I guess this is where they were running their shows in 1993.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I thought, look good.

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[SPEAKER_03]: It looked bigger than 6,000 people, although they shot it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It was dark and it was nice.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I'm fine with it being as long as not like hugely lit and set the mood and sound like there was a good crack except for that one girl who kept doing a Native American war cry throughout the thing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I was ruin the paper for me.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I just could not watch it after a while with headphones on, because.

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[SPEAKER_00]: this is one of those paper used for one fan ruins the entire viewing experience.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm just like stopping shut her off.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Who's that star kid?

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[SPEAKER_03]: It was at 85 or 84.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Is that one fan going dusty rose?

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[SPEAKER_03]: Ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh

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[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, let's just go through the results and then I have some questions for you guys.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So the opener ice train and the shock master.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So he goes from being in war games to opening in the opening match on this show.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Ice train a shock master and Charlie Norris beat Harlem heat and the equalizer.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Um, there was a moment in this match where uh, so shockmaster has, does he have Booker T or Stevie Ray in the bear hug?

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[SPEAKER_02]: Booker T. Booker T and Stevie Ray sees it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And he stops.

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[SPEAKER_02]: He's like, oh shit, I'm not supposed to break this thing up.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I get, I got to look at that kind of chase that guy.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I think maybe someone was late to cut him off.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm guessing.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Or he was too early, possibly.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So then the shockmaster wins with that power slam from the bear hug or whatever.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I don't understand why he wanted to do that move.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Well, could he has to drop to his knees with all his weight on his own knees and the his opponent takes a less impacted bump because he just, you know, he because he has these first and then the opponent takes the bump.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I don't understand why you just go back to the the big splash.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I guess copying WWE for he's kind of famous is probably a good thing like People would recognize you know him from there instead of they tried to remake him a little bit I guess it's simple with big guys like that like avalanche the corner big splash one two three That's it's what I want to see I was surprised by his reaction because it sounded like that crowd really liked them and that I mean

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[SPEAKER_00]: after, I mean, because we're being snarky on the internet this time.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Ah, if he got a trip over his own feet again and he got a big pop on his entrance.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I was like, wow, okay.

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[SPEAKER_03]: He was featured on Dota TV for a good amount of time.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So, he's probably recognizing possibly from that.

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[SPEAKER_02]: How did you guys see any of the big steel character later on?

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, 90.

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[SPEAKER_02]: What was that similar to the look or what like what was that look?

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[SPEAKER_03]: The look was jeans and the jean shirt opened up and I think he had some kind of hat on or something like that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's kind of hard to get.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, maybe a chain or something.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I see there's see his match with Dusty and the old that will pro wrestling Federation at Dusty opened up in Florida before he went to WF199.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, it's out there online for sure.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It was a nice surprise for me to see Mr.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Wonderful Paul Lundorf on this show and he was a replacement for Yoshi Cooper some reason.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know if you've just gone got hurt.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Who out is any.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, okay.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So Chris champion, very.

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[SPEAKER_03]: his own personal demons and plus, you know, bad luck and all that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so I didn't realize he was Mark Star's brother.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I didn't realize his Mark Star's brother either to like years years later.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I loved the team of the wild side, which was Christian and Mark Star and Memphis, and they'd come out to Molly Drew's wild side.

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[SPEAKER_03]: They were bad ass.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I thought they were cool.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So I'm like, I can't wait these guys to go to WCW.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I want to everyone to go to WCW, not scared.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think they'd love the new breed.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Although there's one squash match where the the future Jimmy Del Rey is on the other side because they had worked in Florida on the other side Where I think it's Sean Royale goes to close line and he just punches him in the face Just flush in the jaw and you just I think the famous one is when Christian gives Rick Stein the crane kick

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[SPEAKER_03]: And right in the mouth and it just gives in the freaking Styron line to the face.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's what the Crocodacup, right?

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[SPEAKER_03]: I think it's just a TV.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I think it's a worldwide.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Here's some shit.

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[SPEAKER_03]: But yeah, yeah, that's a Christian man.

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[SPEAKER_03]: He seems like one of those guys at a ton of potential.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And I remember when he Yoshi Kwon showed up, he had a really cool look.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And I like one of my favorite movies all time.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Top 10 is Big Trouble Little China.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So he reminded me of like those guys.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So I was like,

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[SPEAKER_03]: So I was like, you know, the, the, the, the, was it the weather guys are those.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And then I just thought that you look so cool.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Then I realized, oh my god, it's Chris champion.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I just blew my mind when I think I read some.

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[SPEAKER_03]: It wasn't even like, uh, they could was like a, uh, not like a wrestling eye or something like that magazine that kind of, we've got to say some of the behind the scenes stuff here and there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The cultural appropriation is not.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, really bad.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, you know, we'll talk about this like what has an age well like Jesse's commentary.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, my god.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So bad on this show.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Find the hook for him.

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[SPEAKER_02]: He's just had some bad one liners, too.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And just interrupt the flow of the match and, you know, Oh, I wonder why Jim Ross Hades work with her.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, he's, I mean, he's, you know, he's just getting a paycheck at this point.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, he lost his eye at the tiger.

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[SPEAKER_02]: He's, um, and soon enough, when Hogan comes in, just he knows that his time is going to be done anyways.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Not that he knew that at this point, but, uh, so Ornor faces Ricky steamboat, Ornor has the assassin as his manager.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It's just out of the blue and the finish is that the assassin loads up his mask while steamboat is on the outside headbutts steamboat in the and steamboat falls on the mat and it gets countered out and it is like it's kind of a long man just like 18 I think it might be like

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[SPEAKER_02]: It's a third longest match on this show.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I think it's third or second longest match on this show.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But, you know, it was two vets, you know, in their later years, just having a second match on the top.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And I thought it was pretty solid stuff.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, really good.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I love the match.

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[SPEAKER_02]: That was really good.

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[SPEAKER_02]: There were some, there were some, you know,

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[SPEAKER_02]: The chemistry wasn't perfect on certain scenarios, but like how how can you not just enjoy seeing those guys in the ring.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We no one dorms just a pro I just watch an entire batch and just I think he and steam but worked quite a bit WWE if I recall correctly.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So it's probably just like you know instinct.

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[SPEAKER_03]: WWE too, but they're calling it all the ring from the you know they're not they're not they're going to the finish obviously called the finish.

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[SPEAKER_03]: definitely the count out the gimmick in the mass exaggerate, but they're calling them from below the bell.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So I miss what it doesn't look as slick and pretty.

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[SPEAKER_02]: They're there a couple of moments where there's some hesitation that you wouldn't see necessarily today because they're calling all that stuff.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But then also there's also the flip side is that when stuff goes wrong, then they would know what to do where the wrestlers today kind of they kind of freak out.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Well, what was he saying?

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[SPEAKER_02]: I didn't even, I don't even remember.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It was Tony look at me, it looks felt, oh my goodness.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's like, how can he fits something in that mask?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Because his head is so fat.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I know the neck fat was just coming out.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I know it was he was he had a, I don't think he got a new mass since his day.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I think he was just using his old mask.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I got to get a little bigger size, you know, but he used to always a great promo, the assassin.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So I like the tag team of pretty wonderful without they were excellent.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And in 1994, very under underrated heel tag team, I think,

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[SPEAKER_02]: Steve Regal and British Bulldog for the TV title.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So there's time limit 15 minutes and I like the finish of this match, but they missed timed it because Davy hits his power slam and that's when it's supposed to be the 15 minutes they go 10, 10 seconds early.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I think it's just a miscommunication with the

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[SPEAKER_02]: the the the an answer uh the ring announcer and so we got the power slot and then David hit the pile driver and the pile driver and the pile driver and the three count was perfect like that was in picture perfect but they were just 10 seconds off but I like I like the last last few bits of this one too uh Dustin Rhodes oh or are you going to

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[SPEAKER_00]: I love regal.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, people complain about the business style.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm watching regal.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's not doing anything, but little, little arm, until like two thirds of the match.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then it like picks up.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But like this whole match is just, his selling just makes it and kind of help me.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I want Claudio to watch him do those four arms and lay them in and watch Davy sell them for offense because that's the thing that was getting to me about this point in the show was like every chop, every forearm, every European uppercut.

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[SPEAKER_00]: hurts the other guy as opposed to laying on the mat for a second getting up and just doing your next move I just it's that and I thought the debut boy was really good in this match, too I mean he was still mobile a little bit at this point which was pretty

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, look, I'm not, I'm not saying he was dynamite in this match.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm saying he was at least mobile and willing to go along for the ride.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, and this is Bill Dundee's best role.

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[SPEAKER_03]: He was, he was good early, but he was really blown up at the end for sure.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, yeah, yeah, he was carrying so much muscle at this time.

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[SPEAKER_03]: You know, I don't know if W. So he was testing here, but definitely they weren't because he was massive.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Well, this is post WWE steroid testing.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, and all those guys went to WCW, but there was steroid testing implemented.

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[SPEAKER_02]: In WCW, I forget exactly the details, but it was something to the effect of like, I think it had to do with.

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[SPEAKER_02]: maybe you, you would get paid if you weren't on server like there was like something there in like 92 when when they started getting those WWE F guys who were like I'm not I'm not doing the steroid testing stuff you just got to test the guys you know there aren't just that you do you have to have a testing you know the guys are going to pass exactly

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[SPEAKER_00]: Something else that did stand the test time is bish off out here just as a Confederate general.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, yeah.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It is 93 and that's when Gettysburg came out.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So you know when we had talk about was that opening.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Well, we'll talk about it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: We'll talk about it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So Dustin Rhodes beats stunning Steve Austin and this is like in the middle of Austin is still part of the Hollywood Blonds, but Hillman had been out for a little while now Austin was Colonel Rob and Colonel Rob's like choosing Austin versus vicious and there's like something going on there so it's a little interesting with where the characters were.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Austin actually wins this match with his feet on the rope.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Nick Patrick orders the match to continue.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Austin looks goes to get the belt and then Dustin schoolboys him for the victory and then Austin hit.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Austin then did hit roads with the belt.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Um, David gave this two and a half stars.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I'll ask you guys for what you think he gives on some of the others.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I thought this was better than two and I actually two and three court others better than two and three quarter, but I just I just love watching this version of Steve Austin Russell at the same time.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Robbing and WCW at this time broke my heart.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I wanted because earlier earlier in the year he had been part of what I thought was one of the best foods in wrestling, which was in Smoky Mountain because WCW had loaned Arne Anderson and Bobby and the Coronette.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so it was the rock and roll express in Arne Anderson versus the Midnight versus the heavenly bodies, the Stan Lane version and Bobby.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And

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[SPEAKER_00]: and then Fuller golden slash buck and Dutch man tell as the stud stable in a three-way feud where each of the three teams had beef with one another and I was really one of the most well-done three-way feuds I've ever seen to be honest with you.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I like this match how the finish could have been a little cleaner with the referee catching off since feel the robes and.

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[SPEAKER_03]: All that, but yeah, the matches get two and through was a two and a half he said two and three court off.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yes, yeah, you could price a three I don't I.

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[SPEAKER_03]: This isn't Dave had it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It was the main thing to write.

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[SPEAKER_03]: All right, all right, all right, all right, all right, all right, all right, all right, all right, all right, all right, all right, all right, all right, all right, all right, all right, all right, all right, all right, all right, all right, all right, all right, all right, all right, all right, all right, all right, all right, all right, all right, all right, all right, all right, all right, all right, all right, all right, all right, all right, all right, all right, all right, all right, all right, all right, all right, all right, all right, all right, all right, all right, all right, all right, all right, all right, all right, all right, all right, all right, all right, all right, all right, all right, all right, all right, all right,

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[SPEAKER_03]: Kerr Rob Parker was courting Steve Austin in front of Brian Pilman who is getting frustrated and course Austin goes with Kerr Rob but yeah Kerr Rob Parker I remember being disappointed that he was Kerr Rob Parker I want to Robert Fuller because I remember from Memphis TV because we would get that here in San Jose and our world class he that loved the stud stable.

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[SPEAKER_03]: that they would show up in World Classes with Jeff Jarrett, Jerry Jarrett Skitty, bought Dallas, and I love Jimmy Golden, and I mean, he should have his bunkhouse book, I was like, oh, but then you know what though, I just fell in love with the character bunkhouse book, because he was like 1% committed to it, and he's such a great worker, and I always got a kick out of his jeans for wrestling tights.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Like it's wrestling tight jeans.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I just cracked me up.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Like why is it not where just regular jeans

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[SPEAKER_00]: Jesse made an interesting comment during this match about Pillman and his quote unquote injuries that I found very interesting.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I think it's like a mess up ankle or something at this point.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, just because he didn't apply that he was faking injuries to get out of for wrestling.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Well, yeah, because remember no, remember like his heel stick and his matches, he would take an injury in the referee, we all like checking on him, but then he would turn on you know, he would not turn.

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[SPEAKER_03]: He would

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[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, you can bring this up, Garrett, on line there, but I think it was when our Anderson Paul Roman went to tag titles that clash in August, they'd be either Austin, Steve Rigo, who was substituting for Pillman or his Pillman, and Steve Rigo, who

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[SPEAKER_02]: So this would be Clash of the Champions 24.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, aren't Anderson and Paul Roma beat Steve Austin and Steve Regal.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, right.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So maybe when I had an injury and that's what he's also commentating about with that because I'm going to be an

54:31.233 --> 54:45.851
[SPEAKER_03]: bummed out when like you know you're seeing the car for the clash and I was waiting for this one the match that I really wanted to see because the end of the blons were like when the hottest tag teams and resting at the time and it was like out came I thought I'd let Rugal I was like bummed it wasn't filming an Austin.

54:48.173 --> 54:57.865
[SPEAKER_02]: The tag team titles the nasty boys had just lost the tag team titles to Mark Spagwell and two-fold Scorpio and they got them back here

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[SPEAKER_02]: uh missy hi it is involved in this match uh she i'm sure she had specifically called this spot to have Mark Sugs and her bagwell kiss her uh she was always in she's always a big fan young Marcus that's lap she gave no was pretty uh that was a good one man that was it looked didn't look like a nice working one though

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[SPEAKER_02]: I think she was on with Dave and I and she was telling us about how like she found him.

55:25.382 --> 55:30.076
[SPEAKER_02]: He was just like a random, random dude just like living in her complex or something.

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[SPEAKER_02]: That's how she introduced him directly.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Um, so this is a old school tag team wrestling here with the Bagwell just getting beat up and trying to get to the hot tag and they make the hot tag and Scorpio has got the win with his finisher, but they had bonked um knobs and missy.

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[SPEAKER_02]: No, is it sags and missy?

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[SPEAKER_02]: They think they bonks sags and missy together.

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[SPEAKER_02]: They did.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So sags takes the bump and then two cold has the pin on knobs and then sags had, would he have a boot or something and then he hit Scorpio and then he rolled over knobs on him to win the match.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I love the nasty boys, I just accept for that one brawl that they had when they didn't jack and Sullivan or wasn't jack and pain.

56:29.446 --> 56:30.568
[SPEAKER_00]: I can't remember.

56:31.490 --> 56:40.989
[SPEAKER_00]: I was exposed to them in South of LA, we got South Atlantic pro wrestling where I lived because Chris Chavis was one of the focal points and Chris Chavis was local boy.

56:41.269 --> 56:42.692
[SPEAKER_00]: Hey, okay.

56:42.672 --> 56:45.195
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, Bethlehem High School.

56:45.636 --> 56:50.582
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, but from the first time ever seeing them, I'm just like, I hate these guys.

56:50.602 --> 56:52.305
[SPEAKER_00]: I need to end up everywhere.

56:52.385 --> 56:53.506
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm just like, how?

56:53.546 --> 57:01.356
[SPEAKER_00]: If you're in a fan of the pit stop, there's looks, there are out of shape, actually.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I was never a fan.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I just could stand up.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I liked them.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And I got South Atlantic too here in the South of Zaves.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, we're kind of lucky in South of Zaves.

57:11.230 --> 57:12.472
[SPEAKER_03]: We got on Sports Channel America.

57:12.492 --> 57:13.974
[SPEAKER_03]: We got I CW.

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[SPEAKER_03]: We got South Atlantic pro wrestling.

57:16.316 --> 57:18.559
[SPEAKER_03]: Some other indie from New York that was on there.

57:18.599 --> 57:23.966
[SPEAKER_03]: Smokey Mount was on some like satellite feed or some weight that antenna feed and excuse me.

57:24.506 --> 57:25.488
[SPEAKER_03]: And the ECW.

57:25.528 --> 57:28.071
[SPEAKER_03]: And I remember South Atlantic pro wrestling.

57:28.091 --> 57:30.634
[SPEAKER_03]: That's why I saw the nasty boys for the first time.

57:30.614 --> 57:31.615
[SPEAKER_03]: I liked them.

57:31.655 --> 57:35.599
[SPEAKER_03]: I liked them in the first one in WCW 1990 when they wrestled Styler Bros. Nick.

57:35.779 --> 57:36.320
[SPEAKER_03]: Great match.

57:36.360 --> 57:37.541
[SPEAKER_03]: I'll hold you have it in 1990.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Awesome.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I did.

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[SPEAKER_03]: When I started disliking him was in 1995, WCW, when they got heavier and lazier and they were new there with friends with Hulk Hogan.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And I just, and

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[SPEAKER_03]: Brian knobs just like maybe you want to turn a TV off play.

58:03.135 --> 58:21.225
[SPEAKER_03]: I just could not stand that guy and then he would always get a taken care of and then like I remember like in the dying days WW here he is the hardcore champion guy and I'm just like get this guy off like why do you keep going back to this guy, you know, so yeah, but

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[SPEAKER_00]: Go ahead, sorry.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I run this time I did like I liked the pairing with Missy High, which I think was a punishment when she broke up with Jason Hervey and then they put her on a road and they put her with the nasty boys, you know, this could fit.

58:34.233 --> 58:38.761
[SPEAKER_03]: But for some reason, it kind of worked and I don't know.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I dug her managing them and you know, and she thought, you know, nasty boys with a nasty girl, I guess that's what they're trying to go for there.

58:48.323 --> 59:05.451
[SPEAKER_00]: I just recently saw one of their early things in Memphis, where they're actually wearing wrestling singlets against a very young version of Paul Diamond and Pat Tanaka, which is something because I love me some bad company and also just put the cherry on top or the period on this.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There is no better wrestling nickname than the walking riot, Missy Hyatt.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I just, I think

59:14.345 --> 59:18.749
[SPEAKER_03]: So do you guys remember that the title change took place on that Saturday?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, yeah, the day before here.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And then the title is down back on Sunday to pay for you.

59:24.154 --> 59:26.636
[SPEAKER_03]: But actually that title change took place like three weeks before.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Um, so I thought that member.

59:29.719 --> 59:34.323
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, Dave was writing at the time when they taped it.

59:34.403 --> 59:39.988
[SPEAKER_02]: And he was saying, it's probably going to be like the shortest tag team rain that they were only going to get it for one day.

59:40.569 --> 59:44.352
[SPEAKER_03]: You think Marcus Braggled is probably just not going to have credit for being

59:44.332 --> 59:47.856
[SPEAKER_03]: specialists, you know, like I, I thought he had a good team with Scorpio.

59:47.937 --> 59:48.577
[SPEAKER_03]: I like that team.

59:48.978 --> 59:50.600
[SPEAKER_03]: I think starting in stripes is really good.

59:50.620 --> 59:54.805
[SPEAKER_03]: You know, they had really good matches, Roman and Orndorf pretty wonderful.

59:55.666 --> 59:59.691
[SPEAKER_03]: I love vicious and delicious with Scott Norton, Scott Norton, one of my guys.

01:00:00.532 --> 01:00:08.162
[SPEAKER_03]: And they just never, I was always frustrated, never got the chance with the titles, but they were American males fan to.

01:00:08.699 --> 01:00:09.580
[SPEAKER_03]: I was never fine.

01:00:09.660 --> 01:00:14.705
[SPEAKER_03]: I just didn't, you know, it wasn't like I wasn't clapping my hands, but but he won the tag titles though.

01:00:14.765 --> 01:00:16.746
[SPEAKER_03]: He won the tag titles, that's got your rigs, you know?

01:00:16.867 --> 01:00:22.091
[SPEAKER_00]: So vicious and delicious could have been something if they wanted to push tag teams like that.

01:00:22.111 --> 01:00:22.752
[SPEAKER_03]: I think so.

01:00:22.892 --> 01:00:23.353
[SPEAKER_03]: I think so.

01:00:23.373 --> 01:00:29.558
[SPEAKER_03]: The national hall could have went off to do like, you know, single stuff and they cannot with the, I love the Scorpio Bagwell team.

01:00:30.039 --> 01:00:35.064
[SPEAKER_00]: I do know, I think we'll talk about a little bit more later, but yeah, definitely not.

01:00:35.084 --> 01:00:35.584
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

01:00:35.902 --> 01:00:59.665
[SPEAKER_02]: So, Sting pins, Sid Vicious, and this, so they're trying to turn Sid Babyface because they believe that it could be helpful from a ratings standpoint, and they're like doing lots of turns around this time, because the, just that the television ratings are going down.

01:00:59.645 --> 01:01:14.667
[SPEAKER_02]: obviously the paper view buys aren't fantastic the houses and so they're trying to think of like okay what can we do so one of those things was to turn sit vicious baby face so this is part of that uh they they do a lot they do a brawl and i do appreciate

01:01:14.647 --> 01:01:30.850
[SPEAKER_02]: that because as I'm watching as magical and like man these guys have been out of the ring forever and then Jesse and Tony mentioned that you know the referees kind of given them some leeway so that was that was fine and then as we get to the finish John and I were talking about this the other day

01:01:30.830 --> 01:01:49.075
[SPEAKER_02]: So I think they were doing this finish with Colonel Rob and Sid in a couple of different matches, but there's a, there's a moment we're staying and Sid are near the ropes Colonel Rob's got a hold of like both feet and he's supposed to hold down on stings.

01:01:49.055 --> 01:01:55.328
[SPEAKER_02]: Instead, he grabs Sid's foot, so as Stingles on top of Sid, Colonel Rob is holding Sid's foot.

01:01:55.669 --> 01:02:00.719
[SPEAKER_02]: Sid still kicks out, but he points at Colonel Rob, and Colonel Rob's like, oh man, I made him a stake.

01:02:01.140 --> 01:02:04.808
[SPEAKER_02]: And then Stingles him up and wins the match.

01:02:05.369 --> 01:02:10.219
[SPEAKER_02]: But he said, in this promo, Sid said,

01:02:10.199 --> 01:02:13.983
[SPEAKER_02]: Some people call me psychosid, so that was cool.

01:02:14.944 --> 01:02:18.868
[SPEAKER_02]: But I just missed guys like Sid Vicious in wrestling.

01:02:19.028 --> 01:02:28.397
[SPEAKER_02]: Like even though I know he's not, he wasn't the easiest guy to book because he was always jumping around and never happy and taking time off to play softball.

01:02:28.778 --> 01:02:39.008
[SPEAKER_02]: But just seeing like that as a persona, as a bigger than life kind of guy, I mean, just missed guys like that today.

01:02:40.118 --> 01:02:58.245
[SPEAKER_00]: interesting, you say about the face turn because I'm I'm thinking about the go home promo that was on the on the pre show and he's talking about because this is for being the franchise of WCW yes, yeah, not a real title, but a fake toe and it feels like he's starting to go into a

01:02:59.744 --> 01:03:04.309
[SPEAKER_00]: He keeps invoking Emmett Smith as the franchise player, the cowboys.

01:03:04.429 --> 01:03:06.491
[SPEAKER_00]: And he starts to go, baby face a little bit.

01:03:06.551 --> 01:03:09.074
[SPEAKER_00]: And then he goes back to, and I'm going to grab you by the neck.

01:03:09.134 --> 01:03:18.565
[SPEAKER_00]: And I was like, if you're trying to turn him baby face, threatening murder, probably not the best way to go or his problem.

01:03:18.585 --> 01:03:20.887
[SPEAKER_02]: On the show was very heelish.

01:03:21.348 --> 01:03:21.828
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

01:03:21.848 --> 01:03:23.490
[SPEAKER_02]: It was not baby face problem at all.

01:03:23.892 --> 01:03:30.704
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, yeah, I don't think he ever mastered the baby face promo, but it was always a great intense heel promo.

01:03:31.626 --> 01:03:36.675
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm a big Siddvicious fan, you know, I would defend Siddvicious.

01:03:36.735 --> 01:03:39.400
[SPEAKER_03]: I know people would, you know, rag like always not a great worker.

01:03:39.420 --> 01:03:40.382
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm like, you know what?

01:03:40.615 --> 01:03:51.333
[SPEAKER_03]: He comes out, and all he has to do is look at you, look this way, ground people, and people will crazy, you know, like he connected with the people, you know, watch that 89 bash.

01:03:51.353 --> 01:03:52.836
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, they just want to see it.

01:03:52.856 --> 01:03:54.178
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, begging for him.

01:03:54.198 --> 01:03:57.584
[SPEAKER_00]: And that was the most disciplined part of Starcade 89 for me.

01:03:57.624 --> 01:04:00.068
[SPEAKER_00]: Was him puncturing his lung the back before.

01:04:00.088 --> 01:04:02.252
[SPEAKER_00]: I think it was in Norfolk.

01:04:02.232 --> 01:04:15.145
[SPEAKER_00]: uh in that match and then and then the skyscrapers being taken out of the round robin and then yeah us never getting the mark callus seditious version of the skyscrapers that's what I really wanted

01:04:17.082 --> 01:04:19.925
[SPEAKER_03]: I was watching this match, and I was watching his entrance.

01:04:19.985 --> 01:04:20.826
[SPEAKER_03]: I was thinking, you know what?

01:04:21.267 --> 01:04:33.961
[SPEAKER_03]: Madden said today, 2025, with the WWE production behind him coming out with that, you know, it'd be, you know, but I thought it was cool when they had the Psycho sit or the Sid, you know, Sid with a big pyro behind him.

01:04:34.061 --> 01:04:35.262
[SPEAKER_02]: And that creepy music?

01:04:35.463 --> 01:04:43.832
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, yeah, but I would, how man they would probably have something really great for him, rumble entrance, oh my God.

01:04:43.947 --> 01:04:47.771
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, he, he was, I always enjoyed said I was good.

01:04:47.811 --> 01:04:49.373
[SPEAKER_03]: Kick out when he left W stubby 1991.

01:04:49.813 --> 01:04:52.176
[SPEAKER_03]: He got a beat of that suit brawl.

01:04:52.396 --> 01:04:53.677
[SPEAKER_02]: So, so we just stretch our match.

01:04:53.978 --> 01:04:55.760
[SPEAKER_03]: He just gets a, yeah, please.

01:04:56.400 --> 01:05:00.765
[SPEAKER_02]: And they put their foot on one man gang is the one who actually goes back out on the street.

01:05:00.785 --> 01:05:04.109
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I just love it like big claw by Ellie Gandhi.

01:05:04.409 --> 01:05:08.053
[SPEAKER_03]: Say it one, two, three kicks his legs like a fake way.

01:05:08.073 --> 01:05:09.594
[SPEAKER_03]: Of course, the show how bullshit this is.

01:05:09.614 --> 01:05:11.997
[SPEAKER_03]: It just gets up and leaves on like,

01:05:12.854 --> 01:05:16.859
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, I'll probably be winding that multiple times to see him get up like, wait, wait a second.

01:05:17.019 --> 01:05:19.142
[SPEAKER_00]: What's he's like in hurt online?

01:05:19.162 --> 01:05:21.766
[SPEAKER_00]: They derogatory nicknamed him softball.

01:05:21.806 --> 01:05:24.369
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, because I'm softball, please, and came around.

01:05:24.409 --> 01:05:25.410
[SPEAKER_00]: He wasn't going to be there.

01:05:25.931 --> 01:05:30.817
[SPEAKER_02]: David Avis constantly writing about softball and said vicious in the observer at this time.

01:05:31.118 --> 01:05:34.542
[SPEAKER_02]: So I was that we actually did a show a couple of weeks ago.

01:05:34.522 --> 01:05:39.531
[SPEAKER_02]: there's a new book on 1992 by James Dixon, which is really good.

01:05:39.571 --> 01:05:49.067
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, it's a lot of the stories that we know, but there's a little bit of reporting in there because he talks to the Berserker and he talks to certain people who are around at that time.

01:05:49.107 --> 01:05:50.089
[SPEAKER_02]: He's got some good quotes.

01:05:50.950 --> 01:05:57.441
[SPEAKER_02]: And we were talking about the the Sid story of how

01:05:57.623 --> 01:06:11.101
[SPEAKER_02]: he, you know, he was basically the steroid doctor was like, if anybody fails for steroids and then wrestles like at WrestleMania, like I'm going to quit and that's literally what happened with Sid.

01:06:11.442 --> 01:06:20.614
[SPEAKER_02]: Like supposedly Sid was very unhappy with the royal rumble of that year and supposedly Hogan was really unhappy too because he got booed when he threw Sid out.

01:06:20.714 --> 01:06:23.378
[SPEAKER_02]: So supposedly

01:06:23.358 --> 01:06:25.921
[SPEAKER_02]: on the outs around that time.

01:06:26.562 --> 01:06:29.445
[SPEAKER_02]: And so Sid is kind of seeing the writing on the wall.

01:06:30.206 --> 01:06:31.788
[SPEAKER_02]: And so he wants to leave too.

01:06:31.848 --> 01:06:33.911
[SPEAKER_02]: And Vince was like, just stay through Mania.

01:06:34.431 --> 01:06:37.075
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, you stay through Mania.

01:06:37.996 --> 01:06:43.042
[SPEAKER_02]: We're going to put you in this big thing and you'll see like, you know, everything will be better.

01:06:43.522 --> 01:06:45.805
[SPEAKER_02]: And so he fails the steroid test.

01:06:46.088 --> 01:06:55.639
[SPEAKER_02]: they keep him through Mania and they tell him, you know, when you go to, you go on the European trip, you'll make money and then you come back and then we'll figure out what we're going to do.

01:06:56.280 --> 01:06:58.202
[SPEAKER_02]: And that's when Sid was like, I'm out.

01:06:58.623 --> 01:07:03.068
[SPEAKER_02]: And so then that's when they said that they suspended him for for steroids was when he wanted to bail.

01:07:03.609 --> 01:07:07.033
[SPEAKER_02]: So just kind of crazy that because my whole thing is,

01:07:07.013 --> 01:07:20.038
[SPEAKER_02]: 92 to me as a wrestling fan for WWF was like this is going to be the greatest year of all time and it ends up being like the death of WWF for you know for like three or four years, which is insane.

01:07:21.180 --> 01:07:27.773
[SPEAKER_02]: All right, so then a recruit and Rick Flare for the gold belt.

01:07:28.343 --> 01:07:37.156
[SPEAKER_02]: which is they were the NWA was pretty upset at them for having the belt changed a bunch of times on that world wide taping.

01:07:37.716 --> 01:07:46.208
[SPEAKER_02]: And so the WCW was like the biggest part of the NWA at that point, but Cornet was trying to get in the NWA at that point.

01:07:46.949 --> 01:07:55.802
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, there were still a couple of a couple of people, a new Japan was was involved.

01:07:56.035 --> 01:08:03.706
[SPEAKER_02]: And WCW just decided that, you know, they weren't going to fight this thing and they create like it was so confusing.

01:08:03.726 --> 01:08:05.189
[SPEAKER_02]: I just remember being so confusing.

01:08:05.229 --> 01:08:07.051
[SPEAKER_02]: Like Tony Shavani tries to describe it.

01:08:07.933 --> 01:08:14.182
[SPEAKER_02]: He calls it the WCW international committee is deciding to recognize this championship.

01:08:14.242 --> 01:08:17.487
[SPEAKER_02]: So this is a real championship in Jesse's like,

01:08:17.467 --> 01:08:18.870
[SPEAKER_02]: I've always recognized it.

01:08:18.910 --> 01:08:23.138
[SPEAKER_02]: I never didn't recognize this championship, but they don't even call it a title.

01:08:23.158 --> 01:08:24.841
[SPEAKER_02]: They just call it the gold belt.

01:08:25.041 --> 01:08:31.273
[SPEAKER_02]: So that is what flare and rude are fighting over and this match has

01:08:31.372 --> 01:08:42.813
[SPEAKER_02]: the worst finish of all finishes, um, and so, uh, flare as the baby faces always kind of cool for me to see in WCW because you just so used to seeing him as a heal.

01:08:43.194 --> 01:08:54.375
[SPEAKER_02]: And as we know, he's going to get the shot at Vader and win the title again because Sid gets fired because you know, uh, you'll

01:08:54.659 --> 01:09:02.952
[SPEAKER_02]: Tony says that they are then going to Europe after this show, and this is where Sid and Arn have their issue, right?

01:09:03.032 --> 01:09:04.073
[SPEAKER_02]: Is that the time frame?

01:09:04.514 --> 01:09:04.674
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes.

01:09:04.955 --> 01:09:07.078
[SPEAKER_02]: So they, they, the scissor stabbing.

01:09:07.699 --> 01:09:09.442
[SPEAKER_02]: Sid is fired.

01:09:09.642 --> 01:09:11.605
[SPEAKER_02]: Arn is in bad shape.

01:09:11.585 --> 01:09:35.955
[SPEAKER_02]: And so they have to move on to Flair invader and it actually works out that Flair didn't win the title at this show because then unless they you know because they wanted to establish having two different titles here so he doesn't win it he wins by this qualification so let me read the I'll read the finish here so.

01:09:37.083 --> 01:09:39.306
[SPEAKER_02]: So Roode is selling.

01:09:40.308 --> 01:09:43.493
[SPEAKER_02]: There's a double bump over the top rope.

01:09:43.773 --> 01:09:46.157
[SPEAKER_02]: Flare comes off the top rope to the floor.

01:09:47.138 --> 01:09:48.901
[SPEAKER_02]: Flare tried it again.

01:09:49.001 --> 01:09:49.882
[SPEAKER_02]: Roode caught him.

01:09:51.725 --> 01:09:54.789
[SPEAKER_02]: Roode comes off the top, but his knee buckle didn't he sold it.

01:09:54.809 --> 01:09:57.393
[SPEAKER_02]: So there, you know, flare's obviously the figure four.

01:09:58.235 --> 01:09:59.136
[SPEAKER_02]: Flare hits a nut.

01:09:59.476 --> 01:10:02.601
[SPEAKER_02]: Actually hits the Roode Awakening for a near fall.

01:10:02.581 --> 01:10:07.769
[SPEAKER_02]: Flare, flare comes off the top, rude hits him with a big boot.

01:10:08.670 --> 01:10:09.852
[SPEAKER_02]: Flare comes back with chops.

01:10:10.432 --> 01:10:23.632
[SPEAKER_02]: Two ref bumps, so one of them is, flares about to rip rude into the corner, rude reverses it, and I think it's Randy Anderson, it's just in the corner, so flare runs into Randy Anderson.

01:10:24.193 --> 01:10:25.855
[SPEAKER_02]: Randy Anderson bumps out.

01:10:25.835 --> 01:10:29.261
[SPEAKER_02]: Flair doesn't like flip back that's the cushion.

01:10:29.281 --> 01:10:37.855
[SPEAKER_02]: So Flair gets right back on offense and Terry Taylor I was like when I saw him he was the stay at two referees in the match.

01:10:37.895 --> 01:10:41.982
[SPEAKER_02]: Terry Taylor was the outside referee and I was like what is Terry Taylor doing in there?

01:10:42.002 --> 01:10:46.970
[SPEAKER_02]: And I guess he was in the midst of a baby face turn and this was part of his baby face turn.

01:10:47.491 --> 01:10:51.117
[SPEAKER_02]: So he also gets bumped

01:10:51.097 --> 01:11:09.291
[SPEAKER_02]: and then a flare actually does get the pin, but Randy Anderson comes back into the ring and basically says rude is disqualified for whipping Rick Flair into the corner because he was sitting there in the corner like that didn't make any sense whatsoever, but they had to get out of this situation.

01:11:09.351 --> 01:11:11.535
[SPEAKER_02]: Rick Flair,

01:11:11.515 --> 01:11:17.846
[SPEAKER_02]: Rick Flare goes for the belt, rude grabs fee fee, who is with Rick at this point.

01:11:17.946 --> 01:11:25.940
[SPEAKER_02]: He puts her over a shoulder and he's running out and that was part of the storyline as well with rude, you know, wanting fee fee.

01:11:26.000 --> 01:11:29.806
[SPEAKER_02]: So the match was, was good.

01:11:29.846 --> 01:11:30.808
[SPEAKER_02]: It wasn't great.

01:11:31.229 --> 01:11:34.975
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't think these guys had the best chemistry necessarily.

01:11:35.174 --> 01:11:45.660
[SPEAKER_02]: But uh, because I always thought like, oh, you know, Rick Rude and Rick Flair should be like a better match in 1993 than it was, but still it was still totally fine.

01:11:45.720 --> 01:11:48.306
[SPEAKER_02]: The finish sucked, but I was entertained.

01:11:48.640 --> 01:12:03.824
[SPEAKER_00]: If his backhand survived in 94, going into that baby face run where they were setting him up against beta and flair kind of, I think with the roles reversed and flair being the heal, be a much better match.

01:12:04.485 --> 01:12:07.189
[SPEAKER_00]: Also did not know that Fiefie's last name was Lamey.

01:12:10.190 --> 01:12:12.052
[SPEAKER_00]: So this was disappointing.

01:12:12.453 --> 01:12:20.442
[SPEAKER_00]: I do appreciate Terry Taylor's commitment to the referee bit by starting to paper mache the moment he puts it on a referee shirt.

01:12:20.522 --> 01:12:22.945
[SPEAKER_03]: I thought the match was good.

01:12:22.985 --> 01:12:23.907
[SPEAKER_03]: Mine is to finish.

01:12:23.927 --> 01:12:28.432
[SPEAKER_03]: There's a lot better than a match at Fallbrow, which is a lot longer slower pace.

01:12:29.053 --> 01:12:30.915
[SPEAKER_03]: From is it this time?

01:12:30.963 --> 01:12:36.391
[SPEAKER_03]: As Eric and see that they watch this big view, Rick Rude is super jacked here.

01:12:36.632 --> 01:12:36.872
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

01:12:37.232 --> 01:12:41.299
[SPEAKER_03]: And he started a wrestle like road warrior hot, himself, like with, you know, with people.

01:12:41.539 --> 01:12:45.224
[SPEAKER_03]: Erie sold more because of all about the knee, everything sold more in this match.

01:12:45.244 --> 01:12:51.153
[SPEAKER_03]: The previous match, um, I thought it was, like I said, a lot better than the first match they had.

01:12:51.955 --> 01:13:00.227
[SPEAKER_03]: Um, the finish was just, uh, they should have had something was fee fee involved.

01:13:00.832 --> 01:13:11.644
[SPEAKER_03]: Phoebe gets involved, rude gets tax her, flat saver, referee trying to protect Phoebe, and then behind his back, that's from rude can hit him with something.

01:13:12.165 --> 01:13:15.809
[SPEAKER_03]: But you already hit him in the previous match with brass knuckles, that's why they brought brass knuckles back.

01:13:16.730 --> 01:13:21.175
[SPEAKER_03]: And or a gimmick, whatever that thing was, the tape just, it's all those tape they wrapped around.

01:13:21.856 --> 01:13:24.158
[SPEAKER_03]: But, um, it was supposed to be some brass knuckles.

01:13:25.079 --> 01:13:29.404
[SPEAKER_03]: Um, so they tried to play that back, but it's

01:13:29.519 --> 01:13:35.769
[SPEAKER_03]: They didn't really, well, one in Michael Buffer is a ring announcer who's freakin' horrible in these situations.

01:13:36.550 --> 01:13:38.173
[SPEAKER_03]: So I don't think he knew how to call the finish.

01:13:38.213 --> 01:13:46.305
[SPEAKER_03]: I think the, I think the fish was possibly that Randy saw a flare hit him with the nucks from the floor somehow.

01:13:46.986 --> 01:13:48.088
[SPEAKER_03]: And that's why he's called it.

01:13:48.108 --> 01:13:48.609
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, that's what it was.

01:13:48.649 --> 01:13:49.931
[SPEAKER_03]: Flair, Flair, punch him up.

01:13:50.051 --> 01:13:50.973
[SPEAKER_03]: That's how he, yeah.

01:13:51.373 --> 01:13:52.455
[SPEAKER_03]: But like, okay,

01:13:53.920 --> 01:14:02.211
[SPEAKER_03]: Flair get like caught maybe it's on his hand still maybe I don't I mean it's more of a heel thing I don't know it's just I didn't I thought the XK's just stupid.

01:14:02.231 --> 01:14:17.532
[SPEAKER_03]: I think they I think they both knew Everyone knew like okay if you were arguing like this finish But let's do something quick with rude and fee fee flare you go and get them quickly and then people forget about what they just saw But I didn't and I hated the finish, but uh

01:14:17.714 --> 01:14:22.198
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, yeah, I would, I think they would have better chemistry as a cute team to work.

01:14:22.838 --> 01:14:27.262
[SPEAKER_03]: It just, I think, I think this usually is rude at this time.

01:14:27.302 --> 01:14:32.066
[SPEAKER_03]: He was better when he was a bumping heel when he would take the big backdrops and all that stuff.

01:14:32.607 --> 01:14:34.128
[SPEAKER_03]: But here he's just so massive.

01:14:34.168 --> 01:14:35.950
[SPEAKER_03]: And I can say he thinks he's rode a wear hawk.

01:14:36.070 --> 01:14:47.620
[SPEAKER_02]: So I wonder because I'm reading the 84 observers through Dave's book and he's writing about Rick

01:14:48.511 --> 01:14:55.316
[SPEAKER_02]: He calls him Rick the stick, and he just makes fun of him for being so skinny, I can all those observers in 84.

01:14:55.357 --> 01:14:59.753
[SPEAKER_02]: And so now, you know, Rick in 93,

01:15:00.188 --> 01:15:14.200
[SPEAKER_02]: he's trying to wrestle more like a bigger guy and maybe some of it might be from injuries from being the bumping guy, but some of it also is like, I can actually be like a big guy in WCW in a sense.

01:15:14.500 --> 01:15:15.761
[SPEAKER_02]: So that's kind of interesting.

01:15:15.821 --> 01:15:18.784
[SPEAKER_02]: I wonder, you know, unfortunately he's not around.

01:15:18.804 --> 01:15:25.749
[SPEAKER_02]: He doesn't have any biographies or anything, but it would be interesting to see what he would have, you know, his mindset around this this time.

01:15:26.370 --> 01:15:29.993
[SPEAKER_00]: We've haven't said he's an notorious

01:15:31.913 --> 01:15:41.287
[SPEAKER_00]: The cosmetic business kid, you know, that it very, like smoking our cigarette while they're on the road or something like that, and somebody asked him, I think Austin actually had a story about it.

01:15:41.307 --> 01:15:45.694
[SPEAKER_00]: It's like, why does Rick Rudolphy train his upper body and that is lower body?

01:15:45.734 --> 01:15:46.996
[SPEAKER_00]: It's just weird.

01:15:47.296 --> 01:15:49.299
[SPEAKER_02]: And on back then, Austin was the opposite.

01:15:49.580 --> 01:15:50.862
[SPEAKER_02]: Giant legs.

01:15:51.082 --> 01:15:51.302
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

01:15:51.643 --> 01:15:51.984
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes.

01:15:52.224 --> 01:15:53.426
[SPEAKER_02]: So full, full player.

01:15:53.606 --> 01:15:53.726
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

01:15:53.746 --> 01:15:55.569
[SPEAKER_02]: That's all right.

01:15:55.609 --> 01:15:56.050
[SPEAKER_02]: Made of it.

01:15:56.871 --> 01:15:58.153
[SPEAKER_02]: Texas death match.

01:15:59.114 --> 01:16:00.216
[SPEAKER_02]: Big fan Vader.

01:16:00.567 --> 01:16:02.290
[SPEAKER_02]: actually he was not big van Vader.

01:16:02.350 --> 01:16:03.511
[SPEAKER_02]: He was only Vader.

01:16:03.591 --> 01:16:05.935
[SPEAKER_02]: He could not use the big van part anymore.

01:16:06.896 --> 01:16:11.583
[SPEAKER_02]: Vader won a Texas death match against cactus.

01:16:12.124 --> 01:16:15.629
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't, I don't know if I didn't really understood like all of the falls.

01:16:15.809 --> 01:16:18.674
[SPEAKER_02]: Like I was really confused as we got to the answer to it.

01:16:19.975 --> 01:16:21.818
[SPEAKER_00]: So, piracy theory, by the way.

01:16:21.858 --> 01:16:22.619
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.

01:16:23.901 --> 01:16:29.950
[SPEAKER_00]: I think the wheel was fixed and it still ended up on the wrong

01:16:30.267 --> 01:16:54.722
[SPEAKER_00]: It was supposed to be false Countyware, which is right next to the Texas death match, because on the pre-show Harley race cuts this promo and it's pretty good, but it's all about how Vader is not scared of any match on that wheel because he's a wrestler, except for false Countyware, because that plays into jacks.

01:16:54.702 --> 01:17:15.073
[SPEAKER_00]: specialty because he's crazy and he doesn't care about pain or where he puts it and and Harley race makes this big deal about any match other than false can anywhere if it's a strap match we've seen what Vader did to sting in that you know that kind of thing and he goes into that but he's he's literally just screaming.

01:17:15.053 --> 01:17:24.077
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't want the false count anywhere match and I'm watching the wheel and it slows that all the said it doesn't quite get to false count anywhere.

01:17:24.097 --> 01:17:26.784
[SPEAKER_00]: And I think they just went as screwed.

01:17:26.804 --> 01:17:27.586
[SPEAKER_00]: It's close enough.

01:17:27.866 --> 01:17:28.889
[SPEAKER_00]: It's all over the building.

01:17:29.050 --> 01:17:29.651
[SPEAKER_00]: We can use it.

01:17:30.834 --> 01:17:31.155
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

01:17:32.030 --> 01:17:48.158
[SPEAKER_02]: So Jack gets the first, so Texas death, you get a pinfall and then there's a 30 second rest and then if the person cannot get up at the count of 10 and the matches over essentially the rules.

01:17:48.258 --> 01:17:48.519
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes.

01:17:49.260 --> 01:17:56.873
[SPEAKER_02]: So Jack wins the first two falls, one is just with a close line on the ramp.

01:17:56.853 --> 01:18:17.902
[SPEAKER_02]: gets the first fall, then he does an elbow drop off the ramp into the floor and Vader has to like push this thing out of the way, so he can get hit with this thing because he stands up, pushes whatever was in the way, and then he falls back down and then Jack hits the elbow, the table, there's a table out there that they're going to use later.

01:18:17.962 --> 01:18:22.708
[SPEAKER_02]: So he gets the second fall,

01:18:23.735 --> 01:18:26.910
[SPEAKER_02]: There's some nasty stuff where like

01:18:27.903 --> 01:18:38.455
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm not sure if Jack is supposed to go over the barricade in the way that he does because he falls pretty hard and then Cactus dumps him over again on the other side.

01:18:40.457 --> 01:18:56.796
[SPEAKER_02]: So there's the moment where Cactus Jack would do the the sunset flip and then I think Vader vader did something on the outside but there was chair shots in balls where these guys

01:18:56.776 --> 01:19:02.223
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, Vader hits the moon salt, uh, gets the third fall.

01:19:03.024 --> 01:19:12.597
[SPEAKER_02]: Uh, he crushes Jack on the ramp to start the fourth fall, uh, more bit more, uh, chair shots, and then DDT on the chair.

01:19:13.998 --> 01:19:18.244
[SPEAKER_02]: Cactus gets up and then he DDT's Vader on the chair.

01:19:19.135 --> 01:19:24.563
[SPEAKER_02]: but then he like he's knocked out like he knocks himself out or something on that on that move.

01:19:25.204 --> 01:19:33.235
[SPEAKER_02]: And then Harley race has a stun gun, which you can hear and he stuns cactus in the leg.

01:19:33.295 --> 01:19:34.337
[SPEAKER_02]: You hear the sound.

01:19:34.877 --> 01:19:44.451
[SPEAKER_02]: You got to count about two Mississippi before cactus sells the stun gun shot.

01:19:44.431 --> 01:19:51.880
[SPEAKER_02]: So, I'm confused about how the fall happened, and so that's where I'm like, what was it?

01:19:52.101 --> 01:19:54.704
[SPEAKER_03]: They're both down, so it was a double 10 count.

01:19:54.824 --> 01:19:57.127
[SPEAKER_02]: So the referee didn't see cactus get up.

01:19:57.888 --> 01:19:58.769
[SPEAKER_03]: No, no.

01:19:58.829 --> 01:20:01.592
[SPEAKER_03]: He was counting towards Vader for some damn reason.

01:20:02.233 --> 01:20:02.954
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, that's stupid.

01:20:03.134 --> 01:20:03.935
[SPEAKER_03]: That was a dumb finish.

01:20:04.416 --> 01:20:08.481
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, so I was just like the amount of,

01:20:08.461 --> 01:20:35.093
[SPEAKER_03]: stuff these guys did to sell this match in the logic was all jacked up in the end, but and I didn't like to stun gun because in the camera caught it, obviously, but in the arena, you can't see it from there because they're on the ramp way, that ramp stays they had they used to deal all the time in the 90s, and Harley's on the floor, so he's studying in the leg from

01:20:35.073 --> 01:20:57.705
[SPEAKER_03]: the bottom there and only people next to him can kind of see it but the people in the arena can't see it so there's no big reaction when he does it you know and of course he doesn't really do it he just he doesn't sound he shows it but then he's he's obviously doesn't do for real and then that's why i think took a while for a cactus to feel it and then start selling it so i was like damn i know eight cactus is why didn't you just do it for real and see what happens you know

01:20:57.871 --> 01:21:19.609
[SPEAKER_00]: I believe also the reason was just crass because from when I remember 93 there was a case, he was in the summer of LAPD using a taser on someone after chase in a pool and then the guy died in the backseat afterwards, so there it was a big controversy over whether or not

01:21:19.825 --> 01:21:24.052
[SPEAKER_00]: taser should be allowed for personal protection or what not at this time.

01:21:24.673 --> 01:21:32.986
[SPEAKER_00]: And so only just decided well let's use that for part of the finish or whatever and you're just like okay that's this past.

01:21:33.007 --> 01:21:39.437
[SPEAKER_00]: It is and yeah and and you could you could see him trying to make sure it was working just

01:21:39.772 --> 01:21:45.464
[SPEAKER_00]: Every angle that's ever involved at taser has it worked as it's supposed to work quite frankly.

01:21:45.504 --> 01:21:52.939
[SPEAKER_00]: So it's just, it's, you know, children, props, animals, tasers, don't use them.

01:21:52.959 --> 01:21:56.987
[SPEAKER_00]: It's just, these tables also were the,

01:21:58.233 --> 01:22:11.469
[SPEAKER_00]: How should I put this the the actual sturdy kind yeah that you'd find in some of the every these words thick tables and you're just watching going what is he doing He's only 28 at this time which blew my mind also.

01:22:11.489 --> 01:22:13.153
[SPEAKER_00]: I didn't see was that

01:22:13.437 --> 01:22:22.332
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, when they brought that table in the ring and it was facing the front of the tables facing out to the fans, the legs are sticking out.

01:22:22.773 --> 01:22:23.394
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

01:22:23.414 --> 01:22:31.648
[SPEAKER_03]: MVP to Nick Patrick will put that table back over because like, even hell, someone we got in pale, there's something.

01:22:31.628 --> 01:22:48.793
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I, that's why you're talking about Gary on the floor where yeah cactus close lines Vader over the over the guard over the guard rail he goes in the fans and then Vader's and then cactus got run and I think he's going to do like a jumping summer salt like yeah over the guard rail.

01:22:49.735 --> 01:22:53.660
[SPEAKER_03]: But he just fall short and just pile drives himself and Vader's like, whatever.

01:22:53.980 --> 01:22:57.845
[SPEAKER_03]: You know, like, uh, just nuts, but, um, you know, I'm going to see.

01:22:57.945 --> 01:22:58.366
[SPEAKER_02]: Right.

01:22:58.766 --> 01:23:01.109
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm supposed to see Mick on Tuesday, actually.

01:23:01.269 --> 01:23:03.492
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, that's where we're going to his show.

01:23:04.153 --> 01:23:05.294
[SPEAKER_02]: How am I going to agree?

01:23:05.314 --> 01:23:09.179
[SPEAKER_02]: And yeah, so Dave says, you know, I would like to see him before the show.

01:23:09.199 --> 01:23:11.822
[SPEAKER_02]: And I'm like, I don't know, you're going to have to pay for a meeting greet.

01:23:11.862 --> 01:23:13.144
[SPEAKER_02]: What's going on here.

01:23:13.478 --> 01:23:20.927
[SPEAKER_02]: And I was like, whatever you want, like I'll I'll I'll go and hang out early just so, you know, you can chop it up with them.

01:23:21.367 --> 01:23:24.010
[SPEAKER_02]: And if we do get to I'm going to ask them about this match.

01:23:24.891 --> 01:23:25.352
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

01:23:25.372 --> 01:23:28.155
[SPEAKER_02]: And because this was brutal.

01:23:29.156 --> 01:23:33.381
[SPEAKER_03]: This was that this might out the mystery to Jeff Hawkins, excuse me, there.

01:23:33.401 --> 01:23:33.761
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

01:23:33.781 --> 01:23:34.382
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

01:23:34.943 --> 01:23:42.912
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I don't have a free show, I don't remember the pressure, but that make, I mean, that sounds like that's what should it, it was supposed to be.

01:23:43.128 --> 01:23:58.993
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah, let's just try and tease it to throw people off, but I mean, anything is better than the original spin the wheel, make the deal match there was one cool I was going to say I was more squeamish about the corn dwarf match.

01:23:59.429 --> 01:24:21.555
[SPEAKER_00]: on this one where he like would do the sunset flip on to the concrete land with a thud and this one I mean this one had some back this one I was more squeamish about chair shots because he's got it just lay them yeah but the landing on concrete the orange dwarf match had a lot more of those than except with the exception of that summer salt one that he just absolutely missed go ahead sorry

01:24:21.535 --> 01:24:35.738
[SPEAKER_03]: No, um, I liked that spot when they were in the fight on the stage and they go down in that hole, which is like the gray side and actually had the two still a Vayner and it was just for, you know, Leon to get.

01:24:35.758 --> 01:24:37.702
[SPEAKER_03]: Get his juice down there without you.

01:24:37.922 --> 01:24:38.303
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

01:24:38.343 --> 01:24:38.723
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

01:24:39.465 --> 01:24:42.750
[SPEAKER_03]: But I like the visual of when he came out of the.

01:24:43.135 --> 01:24:48.061
[SPEAKER_03]: You know, the whole, the degree, like the big monster coming up, that that was really cool.

01:24:48.101 --> 01:24:52.086
[SPEAKER_03]: And I was like, that's another one I was thinking like, you know, in this day and age, the production is now.

01:24:52.126 --> 01:24:59.675
[SPEAKER_03]: They would have made that even bigger, you know, but, but, but I love the referee also said, I'm not going down there.

01:24:59.795 --> 01:25:01.518
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, yeah, I was a nice lunch.

01:25:01.538 --> 01:25:02.819
[SPEAKER_03]: It's the production stage.

01:25:02.839 --> 01:25:03.981
[SPEAKER_03]: Like, what's the carry down there?

01:25:04.041 --> 01:25:06.944
[SPEAKER_03]: You know, this is stupid, but the, oh Nick Patrick.

01:25:07.665 --> 01:25:10.088
[SPEAKER_02]: So Dave says, um,

01:25:10.962 --> 01:25:13.847
[SPEAKER_02]: after after a Harley race shot jack with stun guns.

01:25:13.867 --> 01:25:15.049
[SPEAKER_02]: We couldn't get up to the count of 10.

01:25:15.149 --> 01:25:15.771
[SPEAKER_02]: What's next?

01:25:15.911 --> 01:25:20.218
[SPEAKER_02]: A straight edge razor, a switch blade, and finally a 44 magnum.

01:25:21.421 --> 01:25:24.125
[SPEAKER_03]: What was that rating on that moxley, Darby Allen match?

01:25:25.187 --> 01:25:25.889
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, that's a quarter.

01:25:27.752 --> 01:25:33.983
[SPEAKER_02]: I said I at least I said on air that as I get and then like that didn't like to finish that match at all.

01:25:35.414 --> 01:25:37.858
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, so with some quick question.

01:25:37.878 --> 01:25:40.081
[SPEAKER_02]: I know Jeff's got it early in early Monday.

01:25:40.842 --> 01:25:41.984
[SPEAKER_02]: All right real quick.

01:25:42.364 --> 01:26:00.732
[SPEAKER_02]: 1993 October 24th Number one movie at the box office Jurassic Park Number one movie on on the billboard dream lover by Mariah Carey John will like this one number one television show home improvement.

01:26:02.354 --> 01:26:02.434
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah

01:26:02.752 --> 01:26:03.473
[SPEAKER_03]: best ratings.

01:26:04.013 --> 01:26:06.717
[SPEAKER_03]: My favorite TV show ended in any three cheers.

01:26:09.760 --> 01:26:10.040
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.

01:26:11.202 --> 01:26:16.788
[SPEAKER_02]: As we watch the show, I asked you guys to kind of just pay attention to some things and think about them as you're watching it.

01:26:18.590 --> 01:26:23.796
[SPEAKER_02]: What age do well from this show if anything as you were watching it?

01:26:26.599 --> 01:26:28.962
[SPEAKER_03]: Go ahead.

01:26:31.844 --> 01:26:34.168
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I know that I was thinking about that earlier today.

01:26:34.188 --> 01:26:59.387
[SPEAKER_03]: I think Like Vader's Vader's or us still would boss them to me like I thought he just you know he was just That note of that music hitting and and him walking out like man I remember being in all of him in 93 and before but like 93 was his year So I think Vader still just look like the man in 93 so that's good

01:26:59.975 --> 01:27:02.519
[SPEAKER_00]: I said big jackdudes will always be over.

01:27:03.380 --> 01:27:03.480
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

01:27:03.500 --> 01:27:03.761
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

01:27:03.781 --> 01:27:04.902
[SPEAKER_00]: Definitely.

01:27:05.023 --> 01:27:06.865
[SPEAKER_02]: Except for Warlin for whatever reason.

01:27:07.346 --> 01:27:09.129
[SPEAKER_00]: I know you guys trash was over.

01:27:09.489 --> 01:27:09.549
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh.

01:27:10.431 --> 01:27:12.935
[SPEAKER_03]: He was over for that one moment.

01:27:13.015 --> 01:27:13.696
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, we're lost.

01:27:13.736 --> 01:27:14.477
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, not one.

01:27:14.497 --> 01:27:15.198
[SPEAKER_03]: Let's be honest.

01:27:16.400 --> 01:27:18.523
[SPEAKER_00]: I know you guys trashed up.

01:27:18.757 --> 01:27:39.499
[SPEAKER_00]: Venture earlier, but there is one thing he is really good at on this show to me at least is that he will I mean he takes the reality of the match and the rules of this company and actually explains things from time to time like there's a moment in the steamboat.

01:27:40.340 --> 01:27:56.745
[SPEAKER_00]: steamboat on door from match where like before he says maybe I just hate Ricky steamboat where he's trying to describe how well it's a shoulder spot into the ringpost but he's trying to say oh it's ahead into the ringpost which would be a disqualification.

01:27:56.725 --> 01:28:20.505
[SPEAKER_00]: I kind of like those touches of rules actually mattering at times like people going over the top rope is still a heat spot listening and things of that nature I just to me that age is well where in today's wrestling nothing matters in terms of like tag ropes don't matter and other little things like that just don't matter in the presentation and I think it means so much.

01:28:20.890 --> 01:28:24.298
[SPEAKER_02]: I'd would jack Perry use the tag rope as well.

01:28:24.319 --> 01:28:33.381
[SPEAKER_00]: And that was great, loved it, loved it, loved it, I wrote down.

01:28:34.643 --> 01:28:39.433
[SPEAKER_02]: Justin Rhodes on this show because he's the only guy still wrestling like today.

01:28:39.493 --> 01:28:43.481
[SPEAKER_02]: He's still wrestling today on that show from from 1993.

01:28:43.542 --> 01:28:54.745
[SPEAKER_02]: I also had Marcus Alexander Bagwell as the white guy who can't dance because they made they forced this man to dance on television.

01:28:54.725 --> 01:29:01.494
[SPEAKER_02]: and you have two-cult Scorpio who's athletic and got tons of rhythm and he did his thing and he was like all right you're turned.

01:29:01.955 --> 01:29:03.637
[SPEAKER_02]: If I was Marcus, I'd be like I'm good.

01:29:04.839 --> 01:29:05.440
[SPEAKER_02]: He tried.

01:29:05.820 --> 01:29:06.842
[SPEAKER_03]: He went to his best.

01:29:06.902 --> 01:29:08.764
[SPEAKER_03]: His stripper dance and the girls all cheered.

01:29:08.804 --> 01:29:10.326
[SPEAKER_03]: So he knew he could do.

01:29:11.428 --> 01:29:13.451
[SPEAKER_02]: And then I just thought two-cult.

01:29:14.512 --> 01:29:18.377
[SPEAKER_02]: You could take this version of two-cult Scorpio pop him right into 2020.

01:29:18.578 --> 01:29:23.905
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, I mean he fits perfectly.

01:29:24.847 --> 01:29:43.277
[SPEAKER_02]: bigger like he would probably be you know I don't know promo wise and then star power wise he would have to kind of get his game up a little bit but from a wrestling perspective like he wrestles that same style and is just bigger than all these other dudes that wrestle that style today yeah he's a big dude

01:29:44.135 --> 01:29:46.398
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, what has aged poorly?

01:29:47.139 --> 01:29:50.243
[SPEAKER_02]: And this is where we can talk about the opening segment.

01:29:50.264 --> 01:29:56.152
[SPEAKER_02]: This is pay for few with a child's molester, Tony Shivani or wife eater, Tony Shivani.

01:29:56.172 --> 01:30:01.279
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know what he was portraying there, but a couple of different things in his Halloween.

01:30:01.319 --> 01:30:07.948
[SPEAKER_02]: They did a Halloween skit where kids came to the door and he answered the door and he tried to get them to come into his house, man.

01:30:08.502 --> 01:30:25.669
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, the creeper, uh, touch Vony, give it out candies, like it's trying to feed him his dead wife apparently, possibly, um, uh, you know, the, I'm, I'm sure to, in 2025, for sure, looking at it, you know, the Marcus bag will kiss spot, but Missy.

01:30:25.709 --> 01:30:27.092
[SPEAKER_03]: Hi, it's Marcia.

01:30:27.112 --> 01:30:29.015
[SPEAKER_03]: I have to wrap your back of her hair.

01:30:29.235 --> 01:30:29.796
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, yeah.

01:30:29.996 --> 01:30:35.505
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, so I think that those are, um, I think also, uh,

01:30:36.565 --> 01:30:46.922
[SPEAKER_03]: When he picked up Phoebe and where he had her his face in her midsection, uh, was a little much, um, I think, uh, so yeah.

01:30:46.962 --> 01:30:58.100
[SPEAKER_00]: So those those kind of spots for sure.

01:30:58.321 --> 01:31:00.244
[SPEAKER_00]: I had a Yoshi

01:31:00.730 --> 01:31:04.880
[SPEAKER_00]: No longer, whoever was doing that Native American war cry.

01:31:05.160 --> 01:31:13.419
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh yeah, Janet Reno jokes, the Charlie Norris character in of itself, right, which is that too.

01:31:13.800 --> 01:31:14.442
[SPEAKER_03]: He sued.

01:31:14.462 --> 01:31:15.284
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, no, he sued.

01:31:15.304 --> 01:31:18.170
[SPEAKER_03]: He's legitimate, Native American.

01:31:18.832 --> 01:31:19.313
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

01:31:19.428 --> 01:31:25.991
[SPEAKER_03]: And he sued WCWN1 for his, they wanted to be more Native Americans, what he said.

01:31:26.553 --> 01:31:31.210
[SPEAKER_03]: But in Minnesota, he did the Native American gimmick with the headdress.

01:31:31.949 --> 01:31:35.493
[SPEAKER_03]: But, you know, that was so easy fold like cars when it comes to food.

01:31:35.513 --> 01:31:38.938
[SPEAKER_02]: So because they're sued by tons of different people at the end.

01:31:38.998 --> 01:31:39.178
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

01:31:39.218 --> 01:31:40.980
[SPEAKER_02]: So racist stuff for racial stuff.

01:31:41.240 --> 01:31:41.481
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

01:31:41.561 --> 01:31:42.382
[SPEAKER_03]: Charlie Norris.

01:31:42.822 --> 01:31:43.583
[SPEAKER_03]: God bless him.

01:31:43.623 --> 01:31:55.558
[SPEAKER_03]: He just passed away a year ago or so, you know, he had a huge great size and everything, but he had no, he had no charisma, no fire like a wahoo or a tatanka.

01:31:55.578 --> 01:31:56.539
[SPEAKER_03]: It's just a facts.

01:31:57.076 --> 01:32:24.400
[SPEAKER_00]: 900 numbers as a scam, you know, he's going to be on live later, taking your questions and you can pay for bucks a minute to try and ask Dustin Rhodes a question on them.

01:32:24.751 --> 01:32:29.399
[SPEAKER_03]: And they mean total like nervous when like those, like sexy.

01:32:29.419 --> 01:32:32.245
[SPEAKER_03]: You know, you're like, no one get up.

01:32:32.325 --> 01:32:33.387
[SPEAKER_03]: No one will come out of the room.

01:32:33.427 --> 01:32:35.190
[SPEAKER_03]: You're like, what's the need to do?

01:32:35.210 --> 01:32:39.498
[SPEAKER_02]: Dude, this is how we got really good at the remote control.

01:32:40.099 --> 01:32:44.086
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, we had to be on our peace and cues with that truth.

01:32:44.847 --> 01:32:46.911
[SPEAKER_02]: Question you to like even today.

01:32:47.363 --> 01:33:01.240
[SPEAKER_02]: My wife will not handle the remote control because she just can't, she's not as fast and good and as slick as I am and I'm like, I had, I've had had to be good for the most parents came out when I was younger.

01:33:01.561 --> 01:33:05.505
[SPEAKER_03]: Quickly, 1994, we get our first black box, right?

01:33:05.526 --> 01:33:10.091
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh god, no one come to my door, but we're in our first black box.

01:33:10.712 --> 01:33:10.772
[UNKNOWN]: And

01:33:10.921 --> 01:33:13.344
[SPEAKER_03]: You know, I had the spice channel playboy channel.

01:33:13.864 --> 01:33:15.667
[SPEAKER_03]: So my dad's like, don't tell your mom.

01:33:16.007 --> 01:33:20.212
[SPEAKER_03]: She'll never let it have this box, you know, this thing's gonna save us ton of money, right?

01:33:21.013 --> 01:33:25.278
[SPEAKER_03]: You know, like, men, like, we scan, like, quickly.

01:33:25.478 --> 01:33:27.380
[SPEAKER_03]: No, no, next, next, next, next.

01:33:27.801 --> 01:33:37.452
[SPEAKER_03]: Women, they like to watch a little bit, take it to hang on, hang on to the whatever's on for a little bit,

01:33:37.972 --> 01:33:41.056
[SPEAKER_03]: Senate max, she's hitting HBO and she's getting hired.

01:33:41.076 --> 01:33:43.780
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm like, and I'm like, you're pounding down the channels.

01:33:43.800 --> 01:33:46.103
[SPEAKER_03]: You're like, no, stop there.

01:33:46.984 --> 01:33:49.167
[SPEAKER_03]: And sure she hit Spice Channel.

01:33:50.088 --> 01:33:53.073
[SPEAKER_03]: And luckily for me, it's the dialogue scene.

01:33:53.894 --> 01:33:54.915
[SPEAKER_03]: Not best.

01:33:56.317 --> 01:33:56.878
[SPEAKER_03]: But she continues.

01:33:56.918 --> 01:33:57.859
[SPEAKER_03]: But she's interested.

01:33:57.879 --> 01:33:58.981
[SPEAKER_03]: Like, okay, what's this about?

01:33:59.641 --> 01:34:02.085
[SPEAKER_03]: And next you know, the clothes are coming off.

01:34:02.105 --> 01:34:03.186
[SPEAKER_03]: And she's like, what the heck?

01:34:03.206 --> 01:34:04.468
[SPEAKER_03]: And so that was a big thing.

01:34:04.870 --> 01:34:11.229
[SPEAKER_03]: And then we had to get rid of it for like a short short time, but then my dad got it again to convince her we're saving a bunch of money if we got this.

01:34:11.249 --> 01:34:13.957
[SPEAKER_02]: See what you should have done at that moment.

01:34:14.739 --> 01:34:17.226
[SPEAKER_02]: With no figure out.

01:34:17.341 --> 01:34:29.802
[SPEAKER_02]: Whether or not there was another remote control where you could turn the TV off or somehow unplug the TV or somehow like Do something to where it looks like an accident and then oh mom give me a thing.

01:34:29.862 --> 01:34:34.710
[SPEAKER_02]: I'll I'll put it back on and then in the meantime figure out get off of the chat like that.

01:34:34.750 --> 01:34:36.172
[SPEAKER_02]: That's what you would have had to do back to it.

01:34:38.556 --> 01:34:39.197
[SPEAKER_02]: All right.

01:34:39.548 --> 01:34:46.478
[SPEAKER_02]: So the only other things I had were Jesse Ventura's gynecologist Halloween costumes.

01:34:46.498 --> 01:34:48.361
[SPEAKER_00]: I think it was proctologist, but yes.

01:34:49.162 --> 01:34:54.469
[SPEAKER_02]: And he made a Dustin Rhodes as a gay, couple year old joke.

01:34:55.170 --> 01:34:56.452
[SPEAKER_02]: Did he hit that shit?

01:34:56.913 --> 01:35:00.137
[SPEAKER_00]: That and a Texican joke, yeah.

01:35:00.157 --> 01:35:00.578
[SPEAKER_02]: OK.

01:35:01.300 --> 01:35:01.962
[SPEAKER_02]: 1993.

01:35:02.223 --> 01:35:03.849
[SPEAKER_02]: This is the year of 1993.

01:35:04.291 --> 01:35:07.040
[SPEAKER_02]: We all remember what we were doing in 1993.

01:35:07.823 --> 01:35:11.817
[SPEAKER_02]: What were some moments that really, really reminded you of 1993?

01:35:12.387 --> 01:35:12.908
[SPEAKER_00]: won't.

01:35:13.429 --> 01:35:14.070
[SPEAKER_00]: There it is.

01:35:14.190 --> 01:35:15.873
[SPEAKER_03]: That's the one that I wrote down as well.

01:35:15.893 --> 01:35:17.175
[SPEAKER_03]: I was going to say there it is.

01:35:17.195 --> 01:35:18.016
[SPEAKER_03]: Let me start here now.

01:35:18.156 --> 01:35:18.757
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh my gosh.

01:35:18.777 --> 01:35:19.519
[SPEAKER_03]: I remember this.

01:35:19.739 --> 01:35:23.545
[SPEAKER_00]: And I recall Scorpio had had taken that.

01:35:24.387 --> 01:35:28.293
[SPEAKER_00]: And I was watching that opening match watching Charlie Norris trying to get going.

01:35:28.313 --> 01:35:31.999
[SPEAKER_00]: I was like, I bet he has heat with Scorpio in the back when he's back.

01:35:31.979 --> 01:35:36.103
[SPEAKER_03]: That was happening at a lot of WCW shows at the time.

01:35:36.543 --> 01:35:47.995
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, not as much as WBF, but because you remember it's center stage, it was on land a heavy African-American audience, and so a lot of those kids were doing that during a match.

01:35:48.115 --> 01:35:51.078
[SPEAKER_03]: You would just get a bunch of whoop there, it's like for two hours.

01:35:51.238 --> 01:35:58.425
[SPEAKER_00]: I think it should not commentary that the Saints were using it as a chair, so like New Orleans crowd was all about it, but

01:35:58.405 --> 01:36:08.282
[SPEAKER_00]: There are a few rather loud ones and they're a few that they tried to get going during the show that just failed, but I'm gonna throw that on with the kids and we're driving just throwing some boop there.

01:36:08.342 --> 01:36:09.945
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, exactly.

01:36:10.005 --> 01:36:10.626
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, exactly.

01:36:12.049 --> 01:36:13.030
[SPEAKER_02]: All right.

01:36:13.952 --> 01:36:21.966
[SPEAKER_02]: Was there a wrestler or a who's on the show that you just had totally forgotten about or a match or

01:36:22.250 --> 01:36:43.954
[SPEAKER_02]: a part of this show we like man i didn't remember now john seem like he remembers all of this stuff like photograph memory well eat us i'll go with a equalizer originally when we're talking about that was mine too yeah yeah tearing tailor from tearing tailor was another one i was very surprised to see him and you know what i remember this show

01:36:44.710 --> 01:36:48.194
[SPEAKER_02]: having the bad finishes but then even seeing them.

01:36:48.374 --> 01:36:54.261
[SPEAKER_02]: I was like, man, I don't remember being this bothered by them when I was younger as I am today.

01:36:55.002 --> 01:36:55.102
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

01:36:55.122 --> 01:36:59.007
[SPEAKER_00]: I remember that skip in the beginning being bad, but not that bad.

01:36:59.127 --> 01:37:00.609
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, that was garbage.

01:37:00.949 --> 01:37:06.075
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, you know, you are someone who understands the entertainment business.

01:37:06.195 --> 01:37:07.917
[SPEAKER_02]: What do you think of having

01:37:07.897 --> 01:37:19.091
[SPEAKER_02]: You're lead announcer be the creepy guy and then he essentially throws it to himself as as the the show starts with him and Jesse Ventura cost me no cells.

01:37:19.151 --> 01:37:35.092
[SPEAKER_00]: What it just happened That he had just been a part of Like it didn't exist and also in the flash by so I forgot how much garbage Harley race was given the manage at times because now he had Yoshi Kwan he had the Kongs.

01:37:35.633 --> 01:37:36.013
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah

01:37:37.023 --> 01:37:38.906
[SPEAKER_00]: And then he had, and then he had later.

01:37:41.029 --> 01:37:47.618
[SPEAKER_03]: When Oli took over the book, he looked for cheap talent that was with a big size.

01:37:47.678 --> 01:37:48.539
[SPEAKER_03]: He likes size.

01:37:49.080 --> 01:37:51.163
[SPEAKER_03]: You know, I remember his like, what is that?

01:37:51.203 --> 01:38:01.478
[SPEAKER_03]: Shoot interviewer, somebody that he's like, if I had it, I saw a guy's arm and I put my hand around his arm, my index finger and my thumb connected.

01:38:01.947 --> 01:38:03.249
[SPEAKER_03]: No way, a push them.

01:38:03.469 --> 01:38:08.755
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, like, what the fuck is that the one from his living room where he just calls everybody the drizzling shit?

01:38:08.895 --> 01:38:09.776
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I think so.

01:38:09.816 --> 01:38:26.976
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,

01:38:28.019 --> 01:38:41.647
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't even remember, but the story was that Jerry Jarrett was the connection to WWE F. So yeah, that's why they got you a taping or didn't they show up at WCW and they passed on them.

01:38:41.667 --> 01:38:43.010
[SPEAKER_00]: I thought there was something.

01:38:43.351 --> 01:38:45.876
[SPEAKER_02]: I didn't hear that, but

01:38:46.092 --> 01:38:54.965
[SPEAKER_02]: They did talk about how host WWF run, how they called bish off and we're trying to work a deal with bish off, which Eric says never happened.

01:38:55.186 --> 01:39:01.876
[SPEAKER_03]: So, um, who's brothers in their like three weeks at 93 for some reason, like why they stick around.

01:39:01.896 --> 01:39:03.758
[SPEAKER_03]: I thought they would be perfect for WCW.

01:39:04.940 --> 01:39:05.321
[SPEAKER_02]: All right.

01:39:05.341 --> 01:39:08.826
[SPEAKER_02]: Is there a finish that you would have changed on this show?

01:39:11.607 --> 01:39:15.191
[SPEAKER_00]: I would have put Bagwell and Scorpio over the nasty, because that's the one I was thinking of.

01:39:15.691 --> 01:39:17.573
[SPEAKER_03]: I would have done that, I think, same thing.

01:39:17.754 --> 01:39:29.006
[SPEAKER_00]: If you push Scorpio as a big deal, given his already connection to, especially that Atlanta urban audience or whatever, and then Bagwell as his kind of awkward yet hot.

01:39:30.948 --> 01:39:35.153
[SPEAKER_00]: Debbie C. Debbie did not do white meat baby faces very well.

01:39:36.674 --> 01:39:38.256
[SPEAKER_00]: But Bagwell is kind of,

01:39:39.586 --> 01:39:42.532
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, I am to the sex thing with Bagwell a little bit.

01:39:42.592 --> 01:39:43.975
[SPEAKER_00]: Get some female fans in there.

01:39:44.616 --> 01:39:50.327
[SPEAKER_00]: I think that team, I think the thing that was taking them down was Teddy Long to be honest with you.

01:39:50.347 --> 01:39:51.449
[SPEAKER_00]: Push them as a tag team.

01:39:51.990 --> 01:39:52.371
[SPEAKER_03]: I forgot.

01:39:52.391 --> 01:39:53.153
[SPEAKER_03]: That's when they forgot.

01:39:53.193 --> 01:39:54.635
[SPEAKER_03]: Was Teddy Long was their manager.

01:39:54.756 --> 01:39:56.900
[SPEAKER_03]: But what I would have done is not done the tag team.

01:39:56.940 --> 01:39:58.283
[SPEAKER_03]: Tao changed on the TV taping.

01:39:58.303 --> 01:39:58.984
[SPEAKER_03]: I would have done the tag team.

01:39:59.024 --> 01:39:59.405
[SPEAKER_03]: Tao changed.

01:39:59.425 --> 01:39:59.685
[SPEAKER_03]: Right.

01:39:59.926 --> 01:40:01.088
[SPEAKER_03]: A per view.

01:40:01.068 --> 01:40:11.002
[SPEAKER_00]: is what I was, you know, does this felt like they gave the titles to the nasties just to have Bagwell and Scorpio win them on another event later down the road or somethings to get the pop.

01:40:11.323 --> 01:40:16.310
[SPEAKER_00]: And it's just like, oh, just push them as a as a great tag team and see what you can do with them.

01:40:17.251 --> 01:40:19.034
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I agree.

01:40:20.055 --> 01:40:24.041
[SPEAKER_02]: All right, just a couple of these, uh, militar ratings just to guess them.

01:40:24.081 --> 01:40:27.025
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't Jeff, you may have read the issue, so maybe you already know what these are.

01:40:27.292 --> 01:40:29.635
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, don't remember starting school head.

01:40:29.875 --> 01:40:30.596
[SPEAKER_02]: All right.

01:40:30.616 --> 01:40:37.203
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, what do you think Dave gave the nasty boys and Bagwell and Scorpio?

01:40:38.164 --> 01:40:38.644
[SPEAKER_02]: Three and a half.

01:40:39.986 --> 01:40:40.686
[SPEAKER_00]: Three and a quarter.

01:40:41.327 --> 01:40:41.948
[SPEAKER_02]: Three and a half.

01:40:42.048 --> 01:40:42.929
[SPEAKER_02]: John's right on the money.

01:40:44.791 --> 01:40:52.119
[SPEAKER_02]: Sid Vicious and sting three two points seven five two points seven five right on the money.

01:40:53.260 --> 01:40:55.122
[SPEAKER_02]: Rick Roode and Rick Flare.

01:40:56.300 --> 01:40:57.621
[SPEAKER_02]: Two, two and a half.

01:40:58.442 --> 01:41:00.785
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, three and a quarter.

01:41:01.306 --> 01:41:02.307
[SPEAKER_03]: Ha, we're in a quarter.

01:41:02.567 --> 01:41:03.929
[SPEAKER_03]: Got the flare button there, man.

01:41:05.350 --> 01:41:07.453
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, he lives later than he lives later than yeah.

01:41:07.473 --> 01:41:10.516
[SPEAKER_03]: And then the main event, four.

01:41:13.099 --> 01:41:16.062
[SPEAKER_00]: I think, yeah, four and a half, maybe.

01:41:16.763 --> 01:41:18.545
[SPEAKER_02]: Four and three quarter stars.

01:41:18.645 --> 01:41:20.367
[SPEAKER_03]: Wow.

01:41:21.241 --> 01:41:25.285
[SPEAKER_03]: Man, well, he just says the best match in what U.S. Yeah.

01:41:26.185 --> 01:41:29.489
[SPEAKER_03]: Better than Shawn Michaels or Marlene's Day from RAW, I'm pretty shocked by that.

01:41:31.050 --> 01:41:31.150
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

01:41:31.170 --> 01:41:34.053
[SPEAKER_02]: Especially considering what Dave usually likes and wrestling, too.

01:41:34.713 --> 01:41:36.034
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, yeah, I'm pretty.

01:41:37.296 --> 01:41:39.638
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, then again, that was completely wild, right?

01:41:39.758 --> 01:41:42.100
[SPEAKER_03]: The day and the blow and the blow and the blow.

01:41:42.120 --> 01:41:49.847
[SPEAKER_03]: The festival of WCW, allowing the blow, which I thought, that's a good question considering how to ask me fully when you see him, that you can get chance to talk to him.

01:41:51.447 --> 01:42:15.210
[SPEAKER_03]: considering the W. and then ninety three like how they get how they get that three I know what I think cactus was hard way and pretty sure it looked like it yeah definitely look like it based on like I'm not sure you want to bleed where you got cut like that did not look safe not thank you is just like work on the soft you know tissue and bustle of the heart like I know in some of the other matches Harley was the one that was doing it

01:42:16.372 --> 01:42:16.572
[SPEAKER_02]: to.

01:42:16.653 --> 01:42:16.933
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

01:42:16.953 --> 01:42:18.196
[SPEAKER_03]: I think they were trying to do that.

01:42:18.236 --> 01:42:21.322
[SPEAKER_03]: And that Vader match for like nine the earlier with right?

01:42:21.382 --> 01:42:23.025
[SPEAKER_03]: The who's trying to get him on us.

01:42:23.386 --> 01:42:23.887
[SPEAKER_02]: So.

01:42:24.268 --> 01:42:29.638
[SPEAKER_02]: So Mick wrote in his book that when they did that match, which took him out.

01:42:30.941 --> 01:42:35.089
[SPEAKER_02]: And WCW originally couldn't air it.

01:42:35.204 --> 01:42:40.372
[SPEAKER_02]: and bish off said that he was fighting to air it and this is like mixed big thing right this is send off.

01:42:41.214 --> 01:42:47.724
[SPEAKER_02]: And then he said when they aired it, they took they took away a lot of the blood spots on the match.

01:42:48.305 --> 01:42:54.816
[SPEAKER_02]: And then he said when he was away, I think it was slammery or something.

01:42:54.796 --> 01:43:03.291
[SPEAKER_02]: And they were doing like a video package of maybe of like the old school stuff, and he's like, there's a blood all over these clips.

01:43:03.511 --> 01:43:15.271
[SPEAKER_02]: And so he was so mad that WCW wouldn't air it on TBS, but they would air it on on the on the paper view because he thought that it kind of took away from all the stuff he did just to get that angle over for him to leave.

01:43:17.214 --> 01:43:17.315
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

01:43:17.335 --> 01:43:19.318
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, yeah, an issue with TBS with the.

01:43:19.720 --> 01:43:29.227
[SPEAKER_02]: road warriors dusty thing, and that doesn't really shock me all that much, but that was dusty basically saying, fuck you guys, right?

01:43:29.247 --> 01:43:29.528
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

01:43:30.689 --> 01:43:32.291
[SPEAKER_02]: All right, last one, we'll get out of here.

01:43:32.551 --> 01:43:48.829
[SPEAKER_02]: This is kind of a silly question, but especially for a show like this, but aliens come down to Earth, and you have to explain the significance of this show to somebody who doesn't understand pro-rustling.

01:43:48.869 --> 01:43:58.840
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, how would you explain this show to an alien, or to just someone who doesn't understand rustling?

01:43:59.782 --> 01:44:01.945
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, well, it's been summarized to show in one sentence.

01:44:02.025 --> 01:44:03.006
[SPEAKER_00]: I said, bad finishes.

01:44:03.066 --> 01:44:04.448
[SPEAKER_00]: Margot show with good wrestling.

01:44:04.809 --> 01:44:07.132
[SPEAKER_02]: And then that's kind of what the observer was about.

01:44:07.332 --> 01:44:07.873
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

01:44:07.893 --> 01:44:09.555
[SPEAKER_00]: And I would also say this.

01:44:11.277 --> 01:44:14.321
[SPEAKER_00]: Sid and Vader are big time superstars.

01:44:14.341 --> 01:44:17.806
[SPEAKER_00]: They see a lot and then Sid went a little crazy in Europe.

01:44:19.228 --> 01:44:20.750
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, Sid also went the title, right?

01:44:21.070 --> 01:44:21.831
[SPEAKER_02]: And I'd start, can't.

01:44:21.871 --> 01:44:22.132
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes.

01:44:22.612 --> 01:44:23.173
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.

01:44:23.980 --> 01:44:28.464
[SPEAKER_03]: I would say a fun three hours of wrestling, and I apologize for just a bit to her.

01:44:31.247 --> 01:44:31.427
[SPEAKER_02]: Right.

01:44:31.447 --> 01:44:49.225
[SPEAKER_02]: I was thinking of something like pro wrestling or at least WCW is in such bad shape that you buy these shows because you're just so used to buying them, but the hope is that you get something good.

01:44:49.245 --> 01:44:51.928
[SPEAKER_02]: Like that was always the hope during a down period is like,

01:44:53.090 --> 01:45:04.294
[SPEAKER_02]: But, you know, anything, this was like in, in like late, late 2000s, WWE, I was buying all these WWE shows, just with the hope that something cool would happen.

01:45:04.354 --> 01:45:12.651
[SPEAKER_02]: And so when you did get something cool, you're so fired up for it, you're probably overrated the hell out of it, because you had such little expectations, that's kind of what this show was.

01:45:13.120 --> 01:45:20.941
[SPEAKER_02]: You buy it just for the hope that you get to see something cool and then you get to see a lot of cool stuff, but it's just marked by the bad finishes like Jeff said.

01:45:21.021 --> 01:45:24.309
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, well, yeah, watching this, it felt like they really didn't want to beat anybody.

01:45:25.372 --> 01:45:26.455
[SPEAKER_00]: Like it in no.

01:45:27.498 --> 01:45:32.591
[SPEAKER_00]: No, I put all, but across the board, I mean, it's like, they had brought dusty, and I don't worry.

01:45:32.611 --> 01:45:34.515
[SPEAKER_00]: We're going to take care everybody on their show.

01:45:34.776 --> 01:45:35.237
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

01:45:35.257 --> 01:45:37.723
[SPEAKER_00]: You can wrestle, but we're not going to actually pin you clean.

01:45:38.285 --> 01:45:43.758
[SPEAKER_00]: And then when you get the heat, then people will be interested in the rematch when we bring it back.

01:45:43.898 --> 01:45:45.422
[SPEAKER_00]: And you're just like, OK.

01:45:45.503 --> 01:45:47.646
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, they're still trying to try to sell house shows.

01:45:47.766 --> 01:45:50.930
[SPEAKER_03]: And I think, but off was slowly getting away from from that.

01:45:51.331 --> 01:45:52.132
[SPEAKER_03]: Yep, at this time.

01:45:53.133 --> 01:45:55.176
[SPEAKER_02]: Fellas, this was a blast.

01:45:55.196 --> 01:45:58.380
[SPEAKER_02]: I appreciate you guys for being available to do this.

01:45:58.500 --> 01:46:02.506
[SPEAKER_02]: And John and I are going to do a version of this for Summer Slam.

01:46:02.726 --> 01:46:03.287
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, sorry.

01:46:03.307 --> 01:46:08.234
[SPEAKER_02]: So Barvis here is 1992 for the Thanksgiving week for the fight game podcast.

01:46:08.254 --> 01:46:11.578
[SPEAKER_02]: We'll do the watchback, but as the fight game podcast first,

01:46:11.558 --> 01:46:13.821
[SPEAKER_02]: Some of our survivors here is 1992.

01:46:14.582 --> 01:46:16.905
[SPEAKER_02]: So we'll do that and we'll make I'll make that free.

01:46:17.345 --> 01:46:20.509
[SPEAKER_02]: I know the observer stuff is is behind a paywall, but I'll make all that free.

01:46:20.530 --> 01:46:28.059
[SPEAKER_02]: So if you enjoyed this, we'll we'll do another version of this for the fight game podcast.

01:46:28.179 --> 01:46:33.246
[SPEAKER_02]: Jeff, you and Paul are coming up on Wednesday with the dynamite show.

01:46:33.286 --> 01:46:39.193
[SPEAKER_00]: We're also coming up on Tuesday with a rewatch of the rewatch show, which you did not come.

01:46:40.335 --> 01:46:40.435
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.

01:46:41.427 --> 01:46:47.876
[SPEAKER_00]: of the, of the dynamite where shack wrestled and uh, to a rancher got his first TV winning.

01:46:47.896 --> 01:46:48.417
[SPEAKER_02]: I got it.

01:46:48.477 --> 01:46:52.703
[SPEAKER_02]: I remember I remember getting a kick out of that show just to see shack in a match.

01:46:53.244 --> 01:46:55.127
[SPEAKER_00]: There's a lot of interesting stuff on that show.

01:46:55.147 --> 01:46:59.012
[SPEAKER_00]: I won't say it's good, but I'd say there's interesting stuff on there.

01:46:59.032 --> 01:47:01.256
[SPEAKER_03]: Pandemic era disappearing shack.

01:47:01.857 --> 01:47:03.138
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't even know if you ever remember that.

01:47:03.158 --> 01:47:04.701
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, Jade's in that match, right?

01:47:05.342 --> 01:47:05.602
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.

01:47:05.942 --> 01:47:06.043
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

01:47:06.063 --> 01:47:07.665
[SPEAKER_00]: Jade's a first match, right?

01:47:07.685 --> 01:47:07.945
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.

01:47:09.427 --> 01:47:09.528
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

01:47:09.548 --> 01:47:10.489
[SPEAKER_02]: Wild.

01:47:10.823 --> 01:47:17.290
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, and so then so that you guys will be live Tuesday night and then Wednesday night with a dynamite recap.

01:47:18.211 --> 01:47:18.531
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

01:47:18.552 --> 01:47:20.534
[SPEAKER_02]: And so that'll be good stuff.

01:47:20.554 --> 01:47:22.256
[SPEAKER_02]: And then we'll put all of that stuff in the feed.

01:47:22.276 --> 01:47:26.360
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know if the recap show will be Tuesday, but it'll probably be more towards the weekend.

01:47:26.741 --> 01:47:30.545
[SPEAKER_02]: Just because, uh, so just to fit the schedule, but all right.

01:47:30.625 --> 01:47:31.786
[SPEAKER_02]: This is this is awesome.

01:47:31.846 --> 01:47:33.528
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm glad when we get to do this stuff.

01:47:33.568 --> 01:47:36.291
[SPEAKER_02]: It's so much fun to kind of look back.

01:47:36.271 --> 01:47:38.319
[SPEAKER_02]: having to watch so much current wrestling.

01:47:38.820 --> 01:47:43.337
[SPEAKER_02]: And it did look back and can you kind of reflect on what was I doing at this time.

01:47:43.357 --> 01:47:44.180
[SPEAKER_02]: That's that was always fun.

01:47:44.220 --> 01:47:44.542
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

01:47:44.602 --> 01:47:45.184
[SPEAKER_02]: So yeah.

01:47:45.367 --> 01:47:47.249
[SPEAKER_02]: Thanks to Fernando.

01:47:47.910 --> 01:47:50.734
[SPEAKER_02]: Thanks to Larry Yacht.

01:47:51.535 --> 01:47:57.022
[SPEAKER_02]: Thanks to Normie the service dog for hanging out with us in the chat.

01:47:58.123 --> 01:48:00.326
[SPEAKER_02]: Lots of Fernandos like on every show.

01:48:00.366 --> 01:48:01.528
[SPEAKER_02]: Fernandos like a real one.

01:48:01.748 --> 01:48:03.210
[SPEAKER_02]: Just always hanging out with us.

01:48:03.330 --> 01:48:05.092
[SPEAKER_02]: So much love for Fernando.

01:48:05.593 --> 01:48:05.973
[SPEAKER_02]: All right.

01:48:06.694 --> 01:48:13.483
[SPEAKER_02]: For John and Jeff.