El Desperado: The BEST Babyface? NJPW Destruction in Kobe Preview! | Speaking of Strong Style

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[SPEAKER_00]: Battle line Hokkaido took place yesterday and it gave us two good, great title matches and a couple of new developments for the big destruction and Kobe show.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They even tossed in some pro wrestling Noah storyline work and efforts to drum up interest for the event.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Sunday show and Kobe has rather shaky made of anton top and in terms of drawing a crowd,

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[SPEAKER_00]: They need a little help, so we're curious to see if any of this will pay off.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We're going to look at the developments that happened at Battle Line Hakido.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We will preview destruction and co-bay with Jeremy Feinstone.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm Stephen Conway, and this is Speaking of Strong Style.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Welcome everyone to Speaking of Strong Style, we discussed the news issues and events surrounding New Japan pro wrestling.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Jeremy, how has your week been?

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[SPEAKER_00]: We had a big show on Sunday.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Excuse me the other day.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We're looking forward to a big show on Sunday.

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[SPEAKER_00]: How was your week?

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[SPEAKER_01]: I got a cold Stephen, I got a man cold and it is just been kicking my butt.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I actually watched the show yesterday, but I was so out of it that I went back and made sure I watched the semai in the main today, as long as it was about a huge column.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And other than that, I felt like I was able to just barely accomplish all the night hope to.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The other good news is of those things that barely accomplished.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I bought my plane ticket to Japan for rest of the kingdom.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's exciting news, you're all square to away, huh?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Just a hotel, Glaft.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So you said, when are you leaving?

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[SPEAKER_00]: You're leaving like on the 30th and 31st, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, the Monday, the 30th, the 30th, the 30th of December.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You're going to flying out and I arrive in Japan on the 31st.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then I will fly back on Monday, the fifth at five o'clock in the afternoon in Japan.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I will arrive at noon on Monday, the fifth in San Francisco.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, let's try you.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You get there about as soon as you left, but skip skipping on your stash.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, there.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It was one of those.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I could, but my birthday is the sit and there was this thing of like, my wife bluster, you know, I have already bailing on New Year's Eve.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, if I'm not there, and birthday is a big deal to her.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I just, I was weighing in, and the reality is, they could do a completely hot angle the night after ton awash of your times, but I don't think they're going to.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think it's just going to be a fun little, come down show, a lot of energy, and a lot of emotion is going to be in that night before us.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, I think you're exactly right, and to be fair, New Year's Dash has not had

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[SPEAKER_00]: big angles for several years now.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It used to be where a lot of that stuff happens.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Zuki Goon coming back suddenly and attacking all the stuff with Kenny Omega and AJ Styles.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That was New Year's Dash more by necessity than anything else because the timing of everything.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But the last few years, it's just been kind of a fun show.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But there are a couple of challenges, but nothing earth shattering coming up at Dash.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I think you're onto something there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think that's one, if you need to get back for your birthday, I think it's probably a smart idea.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Plus, you are going to be jet lagged as all hell.

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[SPEAKER_00]: because coming back is a lot more difficult than going there.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Trust me that I remember I thought when I flew to Australia about like 10 years ago from LA and it was just it was a heart flight both there and back and I was very choosey with my point in flight and where I was sitting and all the amenities they actually listed where their baby basket were like throughout the playing cabin and strategically located myself away

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[SPEAKER_01]: It looks like it's almost like, yeah, I just like I just want to like like hibernate, you know, like cozy up in a little spot and if like this is my whole for the, you know, on the plain flight and I will bother you, please don't bother me and we'll all live and happy harmony.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, there's a real chance that like Gabe kid is sent packing and David Fimley sent packing and there's like a hot stuff take over the day after like all these things could happen.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Who what?

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[SPEAKER_01]: the reality is it's not going to be the thing I remember if I'm live website for Tana Hoshi retired.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's very fair.

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[SPEAKER_00]: No, and don't forget, you're going to be there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: New Year's Eve is not the drink-up blow-out holiday that it is in the States.

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[SPEAKER_00]: New Year's Day is very family-oriented, back home, everything's quiet.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So check with your hotel to see what's going to be open and things like that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: A lot of the stuff is closed on New Year's Day.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, keep an eye out there ahead of time for meals and so the good news is the convenience the little convenience stores there are The food there is wonderful is delicious and they're almost always open 24 hours even during holidays like that But check with your hotel staff because they will they'll know for sure.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so I'm looking forward to it man.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to do the

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to do that podcast that Charlton and Walker are doing on the second.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to show.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to hang out at Tori Yano's a breeders and I am.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I already bought a ticket.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, sweet.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That'd be fun.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you were able to like, hey.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I figured it was in my best interest a couple of years ago to just have a fan club membership to New Japan of America like, yeah, New Japan and so I got one and frankly speaking, the perks of already like basically paid for itself, I had an opportunity to buy like tickets for restful kingdom and opportunity to like buy a pre failed ticket for this thing and just basically.

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[SPEAKER_01]: like they've every year you get $30 in merchandise like yeah and I haven't used either so I'm like oh I should probably maybe buy something before I go to yeah I don't know baby uh no so if you really truly love new expanding you want to support the product the fan club is not a bad way to show your appreciation

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[SPEAKER_00]: Fair enough.

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[SPEAKER_00]: As for me this week, I've been watching just some of the other Japanese stuff, you know, watching some of the Joshi things, keeps you up on a little bit of Noah as well, some Sandi girls that type of thing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It was surprised to see Mariah leaving Marigold.

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[SPEAKER_00]: She just left Stardom was one of the original Marigold wrestlers.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And now she's leaving Marigold's looking out.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I guess so.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not sure where she'd go.

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[SPEAKER_00]: She's already worked for TJPW.

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[SPEAKER_00]: She's worked for startups.

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[SPEAKER_00]: She's worked for Marigold and she's left all of them now.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I don't know where she's planning to go.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Scott E. wrestling has speculated that she's just going to go freelance the way of three and a few others and perhaps do that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But she was a big star and apparently part of the training.

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[SPEAKER_00]: team for Marigold as well with the new people.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So it's a little bit of a surprise.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We'll see what Mariah has in mind.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There's also some speculation, Jeremy.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm curious about this.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The storyline was that she didn't do very well in the DreamStar Grand Prix.

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[SPEAKER_00]: She didn't do poorly, but she didn't.

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[SPEAKER_00]: She wasn't in the mix the way a big star would be and the theory was that she's getting frustrated and might turn heel and yet her good buy match for Marigold is against

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[SPEAKER_00]: uh... the main heal faction so the question is is this all a work and is she turning but uh... the the goodbye at uh... she wasn't she keep a first ring it was at us uh... she took a face small building there is where she made the announcement it seemed pretty sincere it did seem pretty sure if she is acting and this is all the work she should think about uh... pursuing acting she would be quite good at it she had making it

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[SPEAKER_00]: That, oh no, this is, this is, she's actually meaning this.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think this is an angle, but we'll find out.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, I've been doing that and watching Sumo, and watching the sea, I got my Sumo towels up here.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I got my, oh ho is behind Bushi's mask here.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's hard to see, but I've got my own Asato on up here too.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So watching that, it's been, you know, since we're, the shows have just been kind of coming slowly for New Japan, at least on an interview.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We're able to see.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's given me a chance to sample a few other things.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I've been just trying to be more like not into wrestling in that time, just, you know, and they keep calling touch grass, if you will.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, okay.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Taking the dog out for a walk and, you know, like reading stuff that has nothing to do with wrestling.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I like to have a perspective that it is like,

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[SPEAKER_01]: we all know that by at this point if you want to listen to this that like we both watched and seen a ton of wrestling in our lives and

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[SPEAKER_01]: but we all have about five, you know, like it's not the be all and all of our ancestors, even though both of us, you know, are pretty invested in what pro wrestling has to offer.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And when a moment like this happens, I don't like go even more into AEW and WWE or anything like that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm more disengaged and I'm just like, okay, you know, like,

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[SPEAKER_01]: Let's go for that walk, let's go do all these things.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, let's cook the fun meal, that kind of thing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's the stuff that I just love about these brains to the schedule kids.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You don't really, you have to do your regular life, and then you have the G1, or the World Tag Wager, the best of the Super Junior Tag Wager.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The Super Junior Tag Wager, all these tournaments throughout the thing were like all of a sudden,

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[SPEAKER_01]: like two and a half extra hours of your day for 13 days or so over the course of like three weeks and I'm just appreciative of the strength of the schedule because it allows me to come back with a little bit of a clear head and talking about the stuff and not being like frustrated the stuff that I don't like or overly like cheering on the stuff that

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[SPEAKER_01]: Should Jack barely determine passing mark, you know, just that that touch of reality.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think both of us kind of have that in the show and I kind of like that about it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The sketch is going to pick up a little bit knocked over.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The only show this week here is going to be that destruction and covation.

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[SPEAKER_00]: After that, you get into October and the road to King of Pro Wrestling begins.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There's I believe a show on the fourth, the sixth, the ninth and the 11th.

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[SPEAKER_00]: leading up to the King of Pro Wrestling, which is taking place on the 13th.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So there'll be five shows in the first 13 days of October.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then you get there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They're also going to show the New Japan Road in the Ishikari show, which we're going to talk about a little bit because there's

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[SPEAKER_00]: little extra flavor added to that this day.

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[SPEAKER_00]: By the way, of course, Azac normally tells us what day it is.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, it's it's national something day all the time.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And it's actually usually here.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's not here today.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We miss Azac, but I have a day for you.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I know what it is national case of the day, Jeremy.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Dr. Fed tactic, I just had a cake to deal for lunch.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Did you say it's like I did?

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[SPEAKER_01]: We have the raw tortillas, I fried up a couple, I have some Monterey Jack cheese and I put a little bit of avocado on top and I was basically my white little lunch before the show.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, I had a salad for lunch, but I do know that my girl there, she had a case at the Barbecue, a case at the end for lunch and got it free for national case at the end of the day.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So definitely celebrating here, those are tasty.

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[SPEAKER_01]: She is the big winner of all this.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think so too.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think that's free barbicola, which is like shredded beef.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Beef cheek.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Very soft, very flavorful and very moist and tender and things like that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's very beef cheek barbicola.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I could go into so many tangents about like talk over right now.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But we could probably use it to fill the content time, but we should probably keep our

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[SPEAKER_00]: I suppose that's true.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So we're going to talk about this show here from Battle Line Hokkaido.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's in Seporo.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Let's talk about it here.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And while we'll run it down because there is something in each match, almost each match.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There were a couple that you could just totally skip.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And we'll talk about those, too.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But battle line Hokkaido is out there at the Keetagas arena.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's a new arena for New Japan.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They haven't been there before.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They're usually at the Hokkaido Prefectural Sports Center, which is not terribly far away.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But last year, that's where they were for New Japan's soul.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There wasn't a tour like this last year.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But they were there for New Japan's soul, which was in June, last year they drew 2300.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And this one drew about just over 2000.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So again, we're down a little bit from last year here,

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[SPEAKER_00]: Perhaps, I don't think that's to be discounted, but looking at this here, we had about two grand at this building, which is a nice building, nice little arena.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's right on a train line just outside of a station, so very easy to get to.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I just checked it out on Google Maps.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I like to do stuff like that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm a venue nerd, so anytime they're in a brand new building, I got to go look it up.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So it looks like they're using for tennis a lot, indoor tennis.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But

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[SPEAKER_00]: opened up with the young lion match and we had a story out to the insane jay facing katsu yama rashma and tatsu yama tomoto.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Now

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[SPEAKER_00]: Zain J has been in singles matches most of this they made this one a tag and gave Yasada the win with a Boston crab over Matsumoto one of the youngest of the young lines there and that is a big opening match win for a Hokkaido guy Yasada and of course to each of your natives of this area that this island right now now

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[SPEAKER_00]: The only city large enough to get regular big shows.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Everything else is kind of a house show type of a town, just not a lot of big cities up that way.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But Hokkaido made of yacita, got the victory here and kind of set the tone is that it was a big night for the Hokkaido guys.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I thought it would really interesting.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They were trying to play off that uh,

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yachtna and St.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Jake kind of have like this rivalry, like this friend friendly rivalry going on where they're getting the best of each other, but they're also like friendly competitive and that was like one of the best takeaways that I got from the match was how they're trying to define the relationship between the young life more and more and Well, who got to the backstage comments and it seemed very deliberate that they were trying to like set some new groundwork on some of the relationships that that existed.

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[SPEAKER_01]: between record in this promotion.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, Zane had backstage comments and the one thing I'd recommend to Zane is boy, try to do him without cursing that much.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's just like he was putting curse words instead of commas and you know like he didn't like he was afraid of a pause so he would just curse and you got to do better than that if you're going to be big time.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Again, there are times and places for swearing and wrestling.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not some funny daddy that says that you should just keep it to

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[SPEAKER_00]: Boy, he needs to do better now.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That was rough.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's not the time and play for him to be like so frustrated that he's dropping at split of the night.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And the mood has to match the situation.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And so if you are aggressively just going wild with it because the Japanese audience just will react to the current words and just like, oh, I like popped to that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, there's other people that are watching

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and they'll have to if he's speaking like in front of large crowds and all that kind of stuff in front of them.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He's got a lot to like about it presentation.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You can only to make sure that nothing go wrong.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm glad you said that because I do think he's a really talented wrestler.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So in that way, I'm rooting for him to do better because I think there's a lot of potential.

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[SPEAKER_01]: There are a lot of up-and-coming wrestlers that he, guys like Gabe Kid, who have these wrestlers like intonation and the Furbyage, and things that that's the pathway because Gabe Kid is leaving, or, you know, he's just one of the young guys that had gotten there, and, you know, they're not matching up his aggressiveness in the ring and the way that

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[SPEAKER_01]: He carries himself there as a one to one to their own presentation and just think that, you know, the work will matter and the work are simply a part of the presentation.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That was our pre-show match for the most part.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Afterwards, we had the opening match, so to speak, was Hiroshi Tanahashi and Master Watto.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So this is part of Tanahashi's final road wrestling everybody on the roster and the singles match it seems.

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[SPEAKER_00]: This is the first singles match between the two.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Might even be the first time they're on opposite sides.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I haven't had a chance to look that up to see if they were on opposite sides of a tag match.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They may have been.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But this is certainly the first singles match between the two of them.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It wasn't bad.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It was in the right spot on the card.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think if this had been higher up, it would have been a disappointment, but it was the opener.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And Watson needed to take most of this match.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We talked about it last week, Jeremy.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We needed to show a little bit of gumption here, a little bit of aggression he did.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He did take most of it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Wato was going on for a long time.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I was watching just thinking, why is Wato talking this long?

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's it's unusual for him.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then I realized why because he had to wait for Tana Hashi to finish up, choosing with the crowd and get to the locker room because they had a mini-angle to do.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There so he had to kill a lot of time and what it was doing everything he could to just say that this is the first time I felt Tana Hashie spirit as a wrestler and inspires me and all this stuff well Tana Hashie sat down with him getting a bit of a pep talk

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[SPEAKER_00]: as they sat in front of the sponsor logos and Tana Hashie then said I think you should use the sling blade as a move.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think that should be something you do and perhaps it will remind the fans of me after I have retired when they see you do the sling blade and he felt like you're the kind of guy that could really make something out of the sling blade and do something interesting with it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And

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[SPEAKER_01]: What I don't do like, but don't you get all the time?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Only in a like big situation.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, yeah, it's even for the good stuff.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Change of things, you know?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that's the same, you know, he kind of almost taught him how to remember timing is important.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Don't do it just to do it, you know?

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[SPEAKER_00]: But what I was saying, like, okay, this is something that I can build upon and add my own flavor to, which means they've already been thinking about it for quite a while.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Also, Jeremy, I didn't realize this.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, not a more a name than we're resting.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you know, it's also better sleep when a ton of a few of talking about stage of like, yeah, this is my last batch here this time.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Hey, you're just like, it just kind of like the air drops out of the room, like, did it get real.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know what I mean?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, you've got into like, yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: There you go.

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[SPEAKER_01]: All right, last one.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, and we'll collect the first time that Wato and Tonahashi, if I'm looking right based off against each other on opposite to the regular to not a fantastic and medium match a couple of years ago and then it happened.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It happened a few times.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, okay, but certainly their first single smash show in the two.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And let's see, for Ando's is here by the way, for Ando didn't forget about you.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'll let you with us.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Hello, hello, colonel be a long and a bit.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Now the next match is skip all together because this is awful.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Told you, Makabe, Tomawaki, Hanuman, Toriyano, Tunguchi, Shomekato, and Tiger Mask.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It was seven very, very long, bad minutes, nevermind this match, the less set about it, the better.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Shomekato has been teaming with Tiger Masks throughout this tour.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It was bad to Gucci comedy, really bad, some of the worst.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And Yano was back to being goofy, Yano is already gotten rid of the blonde hair.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's back to the black hair and the silly, and there was just nothing good about this match.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But never minding the match.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Chaco has been teaming with Tiger Mask throughout the Hokkaido swing here that they've been doing the house shows and winning night after night.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Here, of course, Chaco's the only young line in with the main roster guy, so he took the loss to mock a bet.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And in the end, though,

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's just more to me between Kato and Tiger Mask.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It feels like they're leaning toward, okay, show them as the next Tiger Mask, perhaps.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like all those teaming with them, making a point of pointing out, making a point of it, pointing out constantly that they have been teaming and that they've been laid in on pretty thick, buddy.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so I don't know if he's going to go on an excursion to Mexico or anywhere else.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't have any insider information on that, but the team leaves are looking like they're drawing a line from Tiger Mask for to Shoma Kato here.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it could pretty thick, you know, sharp black marker, circle between the two with a line and an arrow between them.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You see what they're trying to draw these parallels.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Tiger Mask also, his last match in this city, who's talking about that too.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think you pretty much nailed it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, there's a spot for Tiger Mask on this roster and having a young reinvigorated one.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You have tiger mask and the risk that you run with tiger mask is that tiger mask ages out and the tiger mask care person walks to get you wrestling with tiger mask and they'll wet them until it's time and now that you'll have a younger

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[SPEAKER_01]: in the pop culture region that each country can actually make a lot of money with that with like a superhero type character that is legitimately tied to media and otherwise.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I don't mean this like good, like I'm talking about like, no, at the side of my mouth.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's like, you look around and you see the video game and you see like, I take it and it's got that King Tiger character.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Better than basically based off Tiger mask.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And if you want to go and it's just like,

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[SPEAKER_01]: To reinvigorate the connection in Japan, you need to have characters that the Japanese audience are going to be invested in.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And if you put Tiger Mask on a young athletic wrestler and he keeps winning, you have merchandise and you have popularity again.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's also interesting, there's a, there's a, there's a through line with the acid as well as, as Chris Charlton is pointing out, must of Torah, the Torah there, that's tiger been jumping.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They, they're really drug and drugline, but what what it means to me, Jeremy, they may not have decided on the guy, but I feel like there's going to continue to be a tiger mask in Japan.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, it's clearly a conversation happening somewhere otherwise it would not be so overtly discussed on camera.

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[SPEAKER_00]: All right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: After that, we had a preview for the never open-way title match.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So we had House torture on one side and hauntie on the other.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And it's, the focus here is a Bolton, Bolton, Oleg against Don Folley.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And that's going to be the title match.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They are also keeping a subplot going with this.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And that is the relationship between, oh nice.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Jeremy is wearing an Andre the Giant T-shirt, which is a very cool.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Shomekato, or see it in Shomekato, Shota Umino, and Yuya Uemura, teaming with Bolton.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So it's Uemura, Umino, and Bolton against Fale, Dictogo, and Evil.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And we continue to get the whole battle between Fale and Oleg, where they're going to be doing their power moves.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We've talked about that enough, we know what's coming.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The Omeno Uemura dynamic is interesting, both in the match and in post-mash comments.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm just not thinking that these two like each other very much, but I think they are kind of, and I'm talking about in storyline, that these two are kind of painted into a corner where they need to feel, or they feel like they need to team together, and I think they're neither one of them

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and so they're kind of in an uneasy alliance, probably going into World Tag League.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There might be an angle there again.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I might be trying to manifest this rather than actually see it again.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And sometimes with Shoda, I feel like I am waiting for a bus and it's not coming, nevertheless.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There was very, very awkward agreement to continue to tag between the two.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I just get the feeling that they both realize we're competing for the same spot here.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But we are good guys and we can't say that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That seems to be the story.

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[SPEAKER_00]: What do you think?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, first off, I laughed when I realized I put on an Andre the giant shirt and I was like, well, yeah, if that's what's happening here, a Bolton olig and a bad and don't follow as oligas pulling the hoge and he needs to body slam him at WrestleMania 3.

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[SPEAKER_01]: If we're doing it over and over and over again, that he can't quite do it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm waiting for olig to literally do the

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[SPEAKER_01]: the pantomimeing of his back breaking, and he does it, almost in tribute to the Russell made me a three-spot, and it was like, I would have watched it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I was like, man, they're really laid in on tick.

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[SPEAKER_01]: This is three, not a three-spot made me a three at this point.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And for you yet, Shota, that little backstage comment were very much like,

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[SPEAKER_01]: Showed up, you know, we're gonna fight each other a lot.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We're gonna be on the same side a lot.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But I think right now, it's good that we're on the same side with each other.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And you're just like, yeah, I agree too.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And in just two guys, they're just like, I don't want to be the dick here, but I don't want to do that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, they're almost gritting their teeth together.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There's just fun being a team here.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, it's wonderful.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, they kind of want to smack each other.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And in the territory days, it's the two guys on the roster that they don't know what to do and so they put them in a tag team together and hoping that like the two poor opposite kind of change a thing each other and for a good speaking, this could be the thing for both of them that really like just.

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[SPEAKER_01]: get to spark and you know like they they kind of help each other you know in a way like I wouldn't be surprised if they were in World Tag League and did very well with each other and maybe you know a self-destruct thought at the very end and better luck next time but either both guys that very clearly should be on the recollecting to card in some way shape or form.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think against each other in a grudge match would be more interesting.

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[SPEAKER_01]: at some point you and I are going to have to sit down and figure out what 10 or 11 matches they're going to be on the card and who's going to be on it because some of these guys that they're on and all these road two shows that we watch all the time aren't even going to sniff the rest of the kingdom card.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There are not a lot of plot point shows.

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[SPEAKER_00]: left and what I mean by that is destruction in Kobe and then you have king of pro wrestling there might be something else in November absolutely might be but most of the rest of October part of November is junior tag league where the emphasis will be off the heavyweight's not gone but the emphasis will be gone and then you have world tag league for the heavyweight tag team tournament that's in December every year we know that and there just isn't a lot of room the

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[SPEAKER_00]: The Sumo Hall Show King of Pro Wrestling and maybe one more is going to have to decide Wrestle Kingdom for the most part.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, World Tag League might have a, I'd set up a title tag team title match junior tag League same thing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But we're getting down to the bones here.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think in a couple of weeks, we're going to have a very good idea of what that Wrestle Kingdom card is going to be.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so we're going to have

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[SPEAKER_01]: The retirement match, we're going to have the IWGP match, we're going to have a never open weight match, we're going to have a global match.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, the junior heavily match will have two different tag matches, potentially, to the championship.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then a Rambo and a couple of marquee matches, but maybe a Joshy mask, maybe one of the women's title could be, could be second match on the card, being the IWGP women title, totally see that happening, could be, um, but it's like,

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[SPEAKER_01]: That means the best you've got 10 junior heavyweight on the card because if you're going to do a four way for the, well, yeah, you don't need a four way for the junior heavyweight tag titles, you don't get that's almost, that's almost the rest of kingdom tradition to get eight guys and show that way is

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[SPEAKER_01]: And at best, maybe you do, this guy is in a tag team match, like that's a triple threat.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Kind of like that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But the picking gets slip, you know, like unless you do like,

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[SPEAKER_01]: you to ice and me, showed up and you, yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then, you know, maybe Taichi and Ashiyi, you know, docked the best way that all those guys are gonna get on the card.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I think it's gonna shape up, but you're absolutely right, there's gonna have to find ways to shoehorn things in.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Last year, a little bit easier because they had the rest of the dynasty card too.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so you could spread things out a little bit.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There wasn't the pressure to cram everybody in there, but this year, different.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like the way that I look at it, it's like I'm still trying to figure out how a guy likes that Saber Jr figure is it on the cart.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He's not going to be in the IWGP match.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think he's not going to be retiring kind of Haashi.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Would you put him in a global or no for openweight match?

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[SPEAKER_01]: That seems kind of beneath him.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And so then all of a sudden like what exactly do you have for that Saber Jr this year?

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[SPEAKER_01]: And so this is where I'm at right now.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's like when you say the pickings are slim and they're not a whole lot of time for these angles to formulate like you're not kidding.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And to be fair, we don't know the Zax not going to be the World Heavyweight Champion.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We just don't think you should be, after less than you're like, we wouldn't recommend it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: If he is, he's going to be IWGP World Title Match.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Where's Takeshita?

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[SPEAKER_01]: He's going to catch up damn well better.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like if there is serious about Takeshita, he's got to be on this card.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And they should be serious about to catch those.

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[SPEAKER_00]: One of the few things in my survival is this place.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's so, you're just kind of at that moment where you're like, hmm, okay.

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[SPEAKER_01]: This is all, based off of Shota and you have lack of chemistry.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I still think if you're going to do a special singles match, again, now we here's where we get into the weeds with this.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Special singles match, perhaps a grudge match that's not a title match, so that there is someone who comes out with a big win and does the challenge at the end.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's a good possibility for our show to and you, yeah, at each other's throats a little bit.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That is a possibility for that, especially if Suji is gonna be in a major title match or something like that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Suddenly, show to Umano, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you

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[SPEAKER_01]: But Shota and you win the world tag league.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then say we don't want to use this challenge on the tag.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We want to wrestle each other and whoever wins that gets the challenge to the IWGP champion.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's fine, except they literally did that last year with Heromo and Nido.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I get it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that would be fun.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So well.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Did it?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I didn't think that was going to say.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't remember that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So they loved to come up with these crazy ideas to get to the same destination.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But into you, it's like, you know, a left turn to make make it seem like it isn't a direct like through my.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And, you know, it all ends up being what you kind of expected it to be anyways.

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[SPEAKER_00]: All right, well, what was the next match after this preview take?

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[SPEAKER_00]: We have another preview take.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So this one was Udo Ice, Oscar, and Ghetto against I-E-C, Takamichi Noku, and I-C-E.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So throughout this tour, the knockout brothers had been winning their matches, establishing themselves with the knockout bomb.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We have a name for the move now, the knockout bomb.

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[SPEAKER_00]: K will be K will be and that's the move.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Of course, where it's like a penalty kick to the back of the guy's head while he's taking a tombstone pile driver from Oscar and I mean if decent enough to you know double team move it's fine and this time we are in sporo and we're going to put over to he's here so to he's he gets the victory by super kicking ghetto and got the pinfall and then they really wanted to put over to he's he was a big night for the Hokkaido crew because after this match.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There was another postmatch attack that hit the knockout bomb on Taka after the loss.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Then they beat down ECE, but Taichi rallied again, fought them all off and then got on the microphone and talk to the crowd, thank them all for being there and said that the October 19th show Jeremy would take place in his old middle school, like the middle school or Taichi was an agent right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and then in the middle school gym where Taichi had played pro wrestler in the on the playground He was going to come back as I would imagine probably a main event or and in his his hometown Which I think is really cool.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think that's a really neat thing But this was all about putting over the Hokkaido boys because Taichi came out of this having run off the challenges and everything else It's fine.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's his home.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's his home province.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There is from home island.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It was it was a go home show

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[SPEAKER_01]: So before the be a hatchet, perfect set and frankly with the perfect finish to do, and if the finish we think it's going to happen on fair enough.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I think so in Kobe, this should be the crowning of new tag team champions, but how many times have we seen people come in with all kinds of steam and then lose their first title shot.

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[SPEAKER_00]: My goodness, it's been a trope lately, so we're hoping for something different, but we'll see.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We'll talk about that when we get to the beginning.

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[SPEAKER_01]: the um, the thing that I was laughing about the Tai Chi thing is like it's really cool and charming and all that stuff and then you stop and think about it's like, so New Japan is touring at a middle school gym.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's kind of a red.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I suppose so you don't want to mean like you you think about it a little bit you're like well, that's probably not great for where they're uh, what are reading if they're going to and with it, but it's also a fact of life is you go where you can pack out a crowd and a gym for a school.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's you know, would have courts and bleachers and an ability for to pack a lot of people for a sport.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's a small town.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, the support it's a poro is the big city in Hokkaido, but that's not where it Taiji grew up.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He didn't grow up in the city.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, you certainly was the city was certainly a part of his life and the way that the biggest city on the island is for everybody, but he grew up in a small town and he's he said in the interview that the

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think it well, maybe it'd been backstage comments, but he said that this is the largest gym in the town.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's a small town.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They're going to a specific guy's hometown.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They've done this with Taguchi.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They've done a machine go where they go to smaller places than they would normally.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And it's the guy's actual hometown.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And it's kind of his show.

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[SPEAKER_00]: If he's not, he's not necessarily promoting it the way Nagada does blue justice or anything like that or Taiji, Takamani or

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's a special show in the guy's hometown.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's not going to be in a big gym, but it's going to be a big nostalgic thing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It probably a feel good show.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I'm looking forward to it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think Tai Chi deserves a couple of those victory lap shows, where it turns into kind of thing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Very few people have put more into trying to keep the place of float than he has over the last year.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's worked very hard.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: All right.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Backbone.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, the other thing I want to say about that finisher with the the KOB is like, if you think about it, a kick to the back is if you're about to take a pile driver and you're trying to stiffen up your back in order to maximize like protection and then somebody kick you in the back and during the reverb you go down and it's like, that actually would really suck.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Fair enough.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's a good point.

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[SPEAKER_00]: All right, after that one we had unafiliated, that's Shinko Takagi Yota Suji and her room with Takahashi facing Gabe Kid, Taiji Shimori and David Finley.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Now this was essentially three previews and one, all of these guys are paired up basically for singles matches at the destruction and co-based show.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So we have

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[SPEAKER_01]: The, well, there were times two and then are the result of this one there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, that that was supposed to be a special single smash.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They were already going to wrestle each other.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's turned into a title match.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So you had Schingo versus Gabe for the global title.

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[SPEAKER_00]: A special challenge match between Finlay and Suji because they just can't keep their hands off each other.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They're the big rivals.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They, if they're going to be in the building, they're going to fight each other.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then we had Hiromu and Taiji Ishimori who were going to have a special singles match in Kobe.

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[SPEAKER_00]: However, they changed it up a little bit.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The match was decent.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It had some good energy to it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, these two groups worked well together.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So this was a decent one.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But Ishimori ended up getting the win with a ghetto clutch on Hiromu.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The story line is, Haromu then lost his temper and challenged Ishimori to a G-H-C title match in Kobe, wanting to get his win back and to entice Ishimori to give him even more.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He wanted to get his win back, he decided he lost his temper and put the title on the line.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I guess he already had the match.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So putting the title on the line doesn't make a ton of sense except he just lost his head.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But he said, he said the winner will defend against Aeta in the next big Noah show.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so if she morey played it like he didn't want the title, Noah is playing like they're ticked off at her own move for putting it on the line.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Her own move was playing like he didn't really mean to do it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And he shot off his mouth and the sorry.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And it's a whole schmaß.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But either way, it looks like one or two things is going on.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They just want to tease the whole idea of issue mory.

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[SPEAKER_00]: being the GHC champion and to add some spice to that co-bike card by putting another title match on it or

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[SPEAKER_00]: on agreement has been made with issue more to actually return to a no or ring and wrestle again which would be kind of news and a big deal for for noa one of those two things is happening uh and uh and uh and so he will need to be issue morey or hero move facing eight uh uh next time uh that noa has a big show so that's that was the that was the story line out of this one that her almost lost his head and that was got a title match on Sunday

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[SPEAKER_01]: The Gigi title thing going on doesn't do much for me, but I'm glad that like the the cross for motion is kind of working for both companies because I feel like it reinvigorating her omel and and that and that sent like good for him.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, the Noah stuff and him in EWP really enjoying himself just kind of gives me the sense that he can join his time out since New Japan a little bit more than the stuff that he's doing in New Japan, but he's trying to make it all work to a advantage.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The rest of it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I.

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[SPEAKER_01]: God bless Game Kid, Shingo Takagi, but this is the least hot, hottest, like, time they've ever buttoned up with each other.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, every other time that they've done it, has had way more heat than the one I think the idea that Game Kid is one foot out the door just kind of have people a little less invested and just more like, all right, well, when he's shown up over here,

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, the smart thing to do is to get a little bit of heat on game is not being able to lose that title.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And no one's going to be able to take the title from him before he goes.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think that probably the best thing that you can do with them at this point and put somebody over at the end.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But those two guys should have a real good match.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And for like, thinly and you know, to suit you, the backstage comic cut down like with this idea that whoever whoever wins get to call their shot going forward with whoever to the champion is.

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[SPEAKER_01]: kind of feels like we better done that with both of those guys right now.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So even that doesn't infuse me all that much.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, uh, issue more by the way, holds the record for longest rain with that title in the past.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He held it for 405 days at one point, uh, he is also held it for another 60 days at another point.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So he is, uh, spent more days as champion, I believe than anybody else also has defended it 10 times.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So, of course, that 400 did five day rain.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So he's somebody who is heavily associated with the GAC, uh, junior heavyweight championship.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It went a little one out, but I just assumed it's so weird, like you can keep it on her Romo, whatever, Romo and Ada have their match.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, if you did I issue Mori and Ada instead, it's still be good match, but it just feels like what is going on here?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like why are we

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[SPEAKER_00]: All right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: After that, we did have the junior heavyweight tag team to know we had another excuse me.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There's another preview.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Zach's favorite junior with TMDK.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's teaming up with Hartley Jackson and we, this is the other one that you can skip.

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[SPEAKER_00]: No reason to watch this at all, actually.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Renner Rita, Yuturo Taka Hashien, Sonata,

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[SPEAKER_00]: not much happened.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Narita continues to try to soften up Zack's knee.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He hit it with a chair after the match.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He needed to get the pin because he needs to look as strong as possible.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Instead, they did that lame crap where, uh, sent out a fake getting hit with the guitar and the referee fell for.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's a stupid finish.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It wasn't a good match.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Nobody was really trying very hard.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You can skip this one.

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[SPEAKER_01]: For context, Sonata was drifted giant control is coming out with them.

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[SPEAKER_01]: guitar, hold the Eddie Guerrero gimmick while doing the Jeff Cherry gimmick.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, I easy.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They're Jeff Jarrett or the Hunky Talkman with giant Gonzalez's outfit and pulling the Eddie Guerrero.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The Eddie Guerrero fin.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I fell down and got hit with the guitar that's unbroken and heartly can't seem to talk his way out of it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's ok.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But there you go.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The main thing is they're trying desperately to put a little heat on this Narita Zack match.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I just don't think very many people care about the match.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I just think a lot of people are looking right past the king of progress like but they're like, what are the results we can get to king of progress like?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and especially those self.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yep, I shouldn't have.

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[SPEAKER_00]: More heroes asking are those two lifers for the junior division he's referring to her Romo and issue more.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think they can do some never open weight things with her Romo because he's wrestled heavy weights before, but those two being full time in the heavyweight division it's hard.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They're really short.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And there's, there's small-ish guys, issue more is in phenomenal shape.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They're both fantastic wrestlers.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Haromu might be a little more opponent-dependent than he used to be.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He doesn't carry guys to great stuff like he used to, but he can still go.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And we know, issue more is the kind of guy who can carry anyone.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I just think with the size, it's a challenge for a guy who's five, three, or so to really,

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[SPEAKER_00]: And if you're not built like ECE, you know, ECE is that size, but he's he's much thicker and thing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, I do think that it should more he's a junior guy for life, her own move for the most part.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I would agree with that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I would say she more is 100% stand in the junior heavyweight division and then her own will.

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[SPEAKER_01]: On occasion, we'll step out into the never open weight division, maybe one day challenge for the IWGP and a like fun, what I'll match that could he possibly pull it off, but like think like 85 90 prevention or heavyweight division.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, now I think we get to the title matches, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Did I miss one?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We're here saying WWE needs the cruiserweight division back.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe they do.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They have the sound.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's why they bought AAA.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, fair enough, that could be it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then now we have the junior heavyweight tag team championships.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We have show and dokey defending against Robbie Eagles and Cosae Fujitas.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So very good match.

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[SPEAKER_00]: As you could imagine, this one had Kentasato Refin because Marty Assami worked the Tana Hashimash early in the car, so he was not on the semi-main.

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[SPEAKER_00]: but this was crisp, it was exciting, it had a nice pace to it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I thought House torture actually did a decent job of hiding their use of weapons from the referee.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It looked better than usual anyway.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I was less doofy for can't decide what to miss this stuff, and they did a better job, and it's not perfect, but better than usual.

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[SPEAKER_00]: toward the end of a 19 minute 42 second match, food should have hit a band and hope, but he went for another move, didn't get the pin off of that tried for another move, dokey ended up rolling them up holding the pants.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They're not really the tights, they don't really tights, but he held the pants and it seems likely that these two will be the champs going into junior tag league show and dokey overall pretty good match.

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[SPEAKER_00]: This worked well again when they're

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[SPEAKER_00]: minimizing some of the house of torture, shenanigans, and just wrestling, show, and doke are very capable of wrestling, and I think Fujidad Eagles, one of the best junior teams out there in the world.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So, good match.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I thought going in this was going to be a really good match and it ended up being that it was one of the two matches that I thought paved the show on the whole for being middleing to Okay, and or good if you will I had the whole theory that I laid out last week that they were going to get to You know, split up the title because then we can get straight to that created like a three line for

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, we still got to that same destination, but why don't we get to it?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, well, well, let's get into the preview too, because when we get into the preview for a little bit as well, but dokey and show, having a heel go into the tournament as a champions can work psychologically in that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You can have someone pop the crowd and make the crowd happy by stopping the heal champions from getting to the finals and that type of thing you create a challenger that people are already happy to see and so there's some psychology to that is to having the the heal champions going into the tournament and you can work with that then people are happy for the champions loss.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And when you have baby face champions and a tournament like that, you can still do it, but there's almost like a little bit of a worry, the fans know that the champions are underdogs and those tournaments, they don't necessarily want to see that person lose.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's the other way around where they're happy for the champs to get upset at that point, so that's a. That can work for them psychologically in junior tag leagues, and I only thought do you think that they might do a thing where.

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[SPEAKER_01]: the house torture loses the super junior tag league and they immediately do the title shot at like the next show.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, maybe of whoever wins the world of the super junior tag league, but then whatever team beat that team in the run up like through the block play, that become the wrestling match.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and I hope they just do something that makes more sense in last years, because they just kind of half asked the whole storyline of why those teams were in a four way ladder match, they kind of stumbled over that and it didn't make a whole lot of sense.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So whatever they do, I would, I would like it to be maybe the team that wins and the teams that upset the champions on the way and so at least everybody has a reason to be there, like they've definitely created a situation where

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'd be very surprised if there were any dual champions going into rest of the game.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Now that brings us to our main event.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And boy, it was this great.

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[SPEAKER_00]: This was a great match.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yo and L. Disparado for the IWGP Junior Heavyweight title.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And it was all yo early.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And what I liked about this Jeremy is he did his weird behavior stuff early in the match, not later, once things picked up.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But he did his kind of acting weird in the context of siking out Disparado.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I never felt like he was doing it just to do it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: a fact on Desparado kind of thing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Desparado worked on Yo's knee, which came into play late in the match.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yo worked on Desparado's neck.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That came into play later in the match.

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[SPEAKER_00]: In fact, it was a spot with Yo.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I thought it was really cool with the Ushigaroshi.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He hit an Ushigaroshi because Yo keeps using moves from his.

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[SPEAKER_00]: former chaos teammates playbooks.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So he here was the big U.S.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Hiroshi, but his knee had been worked on by Desperado, Desperado's neck had been worked on by Yolo when he hit the U.S.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Hiroshi both of them took a shot and they both went down.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I thought that was actually really clever.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Desperado tried Numerado's.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Uh, but it hurt his neck to stretch.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yo's knee over the back of his own neck is, and so sold that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I thought there were some clever spots, interesting selling going on in this match.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And by the end of it, Yo wasn't doing anything goofy.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They were locked in.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And the fans were into these near falls.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Each wrestler got an excellent, excellent close call late in this match.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like one that I thought was the finish.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And in the end, though, it was a tiger driver type of move led into a pinch a local to win.

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[SPEAKER_00]: 24 minutes, 52 seconds, breeze by, I thought this was an outstanding match.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Can I be my favorite yo match in the last few years?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Is that some good?

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, like, he, he, he, he's tremendous, but like, there's always something that like, yeah, but, and I don't have any, yeah, but the one, you know, like it was,

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[SPEAKER_01]: It was like main event, yo, and he delivered on his aunt.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And Desk Barado, jeez man, he might be the best baby face the promotion has.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yes.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I just like, yes, he is bottom.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He is just like, he's everything.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, let's talk about why, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, it's missing from the heavyweights, Desperado, a couple of things, great wrestler.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, and there are other heavyweights who are great wrestlers.

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[SPEAKER_00]: More charismatic than most, he's a good talker.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He says interesting things.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It doesn't come out sounding like a bunch of baby face cliches.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He sounds like he's talking from his heart.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He communicates well.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But the other point, Jeremy, I keep bringing this up.

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[SPEAKER_00]: the dude comes through.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So if you root for him, he comes through for you.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And that's what no heavyweight's doing in the baby face side, in the heavyweight division.

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[SPEAKER_00]: If they never come through, they always fail but desperate, it'll come through.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So the people feel like they can invest in him.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He won't let them down.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And he has, and you're right, he is the best baby face in Newspand right now.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And he just had an eight.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It ate title defense in this in this rain, which broke the record, I believe, like I think that seven up to that point, and so he is the first person in the junior heavyweight in years, if at all, I think, to have a title defense in one rain without being defeated.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So that was kind of a big deal there.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He's just

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[SPEAKER_01]: he feels like the guy sometimes and when he like stood tall at the very end and then we had dokey come down and basically have their entire back and forth which now we know those two are going to do their camp soon.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I was like oh we're doing this now.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's fine because this is what we've been waiting.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But Elvis Prado now has a tight addition Thunder Lager with eight defenses.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The record though is held by Manor Tanaka also known as Heat and that was uh, he had 11 defense.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Thank you one ray.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That was a but that's uh, it's up there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, really he has already passed.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Anything hero mode did Prince David, ultimo dragon, those guys had seven, only a ligar and desperate out of hand eight yeah so desperate I was one hundred percent one of my guys right now.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I just every time he's in the ring like Even that Shanichi champion match where he did or whatever it was the the great bash heel match where he was fighting to get to Zuka it's like

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[SPEAKER_01]: They protected the hell out of that dude.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They wouldn't even let him lose.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He had the other guy had to take a DQ.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And if he knocked out.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So they know he's something special.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He is in fact something special.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I think the credibility of all the death matches and just everyone knowing that there's nothing fake about this guy, his authenticity is 100% has done one curse for.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And he has asked afterwards to team with he kept calling him Kamatsu, which is his last name, Yohei Kamatsu was Yo's name.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And he kept calling him Kamatsu and said, I would like to team with you.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And indeed, they've been added to what was a six man is now a 10 man tag.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They put and we'll get to that as we approach that card.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So perhaps a junior tag league team here.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'd imagine they would want Desperado in the tournament to help grow.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Back to all of our team, frankly.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And it could be really good.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We'll see if they do that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But they're going to team up at in Kobe there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And yeah, it's a situation that I think is he's just one of him, New Japan's most valuable guys and

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm curious to see when this Dokey match finally happens, you mentioned Dokey came out and challenged them afterwards.

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[SPEAKER_00]: If it happens, a king of pro wrestling, if it happens in the dome, if it happens at both places, I mean, anytime those two are in the ring together, it's electric.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I'm excited for this.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The good thing is happening with this Brattle.

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[SPEAKER_00]: One of the few things on the card coming up that I'm really anxious to see.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I feel like everything else is,

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[SPEAKER_01]: a stop on the way somewhere else, but doke and desparado, I mean, yeah, that's that one of the matches that like you circles like that rest of the kingdom match was just getting started and they have so much more ready job with a bit for one of the time.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So before we preview the big Kobe show the destruction Kobe want to say here something with Tyler mirror and his joining us so what's up guys, I had to cancel my NJP W due to my lost situation.

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[SPEAKER_00]: understood, but thank you guys for being here.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, yeah, we're glad you're here too, so for sure.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I can I just say I really want this favor is hang that Adam page man and hopefully I'll get back to work soon.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, that would be what I wanted to come up with.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I can't say that was one that I had really thought of, but, you know, that would be desperate to hang that in a Texas death voucher, probably would be about to the year could have it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that might be an interesting match up there, that would be an interesting match up.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe add a full board to come someday.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Thank you for the drive by Tyler.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's good to see you.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's all right.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, we're happy for you.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, absolutely.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I know it's, I know there have been tough times.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And thank you so much for spending some time with us.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We're rooting for you, man.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We hope things get better.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And yeah, we're glad to be here for you.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so destruction and Kobe.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So we're doing that on Sunday.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, and Colin's asking, what do I make a Mariah leaving Marigold?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Actually, I tackled that earlier in the show.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We talked about so you can go back and get that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think it is, it's interesting that she seems to have trouble finding a spot to land consistently.

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[SPEAKER_00]: She's worked for several different promotions and has left several different promotions.

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[SPEAKER_00]: She's talented as all hell.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm curious as to what she wants.

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[SPEAKER_00]: from a promotion.

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[SPEAKER_00]: She's never been put on the back burner.

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[SPEAKER_00]: She's been a major part everywhere she's been, but she moves on.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe she's just restless.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe she wanted, maybe she sees what Sari is doing and thinks I can be that too.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I can be the person that just hits the big shows and works for everybody.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The fact that that's working for Sari and

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, to the point that, you know, there's several others who show up at all these other shows now that these Joshy promotions tend to work with one another.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe she just feels like I'd rather make my own schedule at the moment.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But it was a surprise to me.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think it was a surprise to a lot of people.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And she's talented.

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[SPEAKER_00]: She is really talented.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm curious to see if she does that or I mentioned Collin that

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[SPEAKER_00]: If she's working and this is all just a way to turn and go with darkness revolution at her quote unquote final mass, she deserves some sort of acting award because she had me convinced, but that's if she's working, she's good at it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So there you go.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and Tyler said he's one of that match, Despe, and Adam at one of the forbidden doors for nine to agrees it would be excellent, the more I think about it, the more I'd like to actually see that one and you know that I've criticized Adam page a lot, but I think he and Desperado would be would be a pretty good pair.

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[SPEAKER_01]: All right, he that would be the word of trend sentence, even the word would be trend sentence.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, that's not okay.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Transcendent.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's a word.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's a word.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So we're going to destruction coming out last year.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Destruction in Kobe had an announced crowd of 4,528.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And the main event was Naito versus Great O'Con for the world title in the main event.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so I'm curious to see what this one does.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But let's look at this card coming for destruction in Kobe mentioned.

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[SPEAKER_00]: This was the original match to leave things off.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It was going to be evil, Dictogo, and Sonata, facing Yu-Yu-Yu-Yu-Yu-Yu-Yu-Yu-Yu-Yu-Yu-Yu-Yu-Yu-Yu-Yu-Yu-Yu-Yu-Yu-Yu-Yu-Yu-Yu-Yu-Yu-Yu-Yu-Yu-Yu-Yu-Yu-Yu-Yu-Yu-Yu-Yu-Yu-Yu-Yu-Yu-Yu-Yu-Yu-Yu-Yu-Yu-Yu-Yu-Yu-Yu-Yu-Yu-Yu-Yu-Yu-Yu-Yu-Yu-Yu-Yu-Yu-Yu-Yu-

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, no, but that that is going to be the match there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So to now a 10 person tag and that's going to get a lot of people on the card there, including a draw and Elvis Baratoes, they just try to do everything they can because 4,500 seems like a big number in this economy or a new Japan.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, a bit of a post view match there.

01:00:04.682 --> 01:00:14.112
[SPEAKER_00]: It could be that, it also could be a finish on Dictogo with Uemura and showed it to further along that storyline of their uneasy alliance.

01:00:14.412 --> 01:00:19.358
[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe they wouldn't have a double team move that's the second chapter in a frog splash.

01:00:20.217 --> 01:00:38.228
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, the togo is the lowest on the theoretical totem pole in this match now that it's, well, he was done in this one, the original incarnation as well, but certainly in a 10 man togo is the one that gets the fewest wins, so that's, you know, that's a possibility that he might just be there to do the job for somebody else.

01:00:46.865 --> 01:00:52.251
[SPEAKER_01]: They're doing, if you do a dead fall, what show to talk to do to help with that?

01:00:52.731 --> 01:00:57.676
[SPEAKER_01]: If show to death a second chapter, you can do a frog splash, no problem.

01:00:58.176 --> 01:01:05.784
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, when the guy is in the middle of the ring, but the secret would just stick to him, man, you got to have a cool double team move, if you're going to be the cool tag team.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yesterday they just did a thing where, uminoclobered,

01:01:10.522 --> 01:01:19.376
[SPEAKER_00]: Togo in the back with a boomerang close line basically just kind of hit him in the back of the head and he went right into Oymoro who rolled them up so they got to come up with something a little bit stronger than that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I agree.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, chemistry If next match real

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[SPEAKER_00]: Next one is, okay, there we go.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So we're going right into the, I might have missed a damage there, but yeah, I was gonna say it's the Tana Hashis final road connection match and that's going to be Hiroshi Tana Hashis and great O'Con.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So this is another one of these matches where Tana Hashis is wrestling the various members of the roster this time, great O'Con.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Who haven't seen NoCon in a while, but he'll be back in Kobe.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, I saw him and she needs a champion, my friend.

01:01:51.387 --> 01:01:57.850
[SPEAKER_01]: And he, well, you didn't hear what he was wearing a mask and he was great in a carousel to scratch.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He did not make the trip to Hokkaido, though.

01:02:00.491 --> 01:02:02.732
[SPEAKER_01]: So they're a great it's called of all.

01:02:04.673 --> 01:02:06.994
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, that's the first time the first time the first time.

01:02:07.014 --> 01:02:07.774
[SPEAKER_01]: Don Hashimatch.

01:02:08.034 --> 01:02:13.977
[SPEAKER_01]: It is the last Tana Hashimatch before tickets go on sale for wrestling.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Who do you think wins?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Do you think he puts over a con?

01:02:18.761 --> 01:02:18.981
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.

01:02:20.082 --> 01:02:20.342
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.

01:02:20.722 --> 01:02:21.123
[SPEAKER_00]: There you go.

01:02:21.843 --> 01:02:24.785
[SPEAKER_01]: I think I think you don't.

01:02:25.466 --> 01:02:33.051
[SPEAKER_01]: If he's going to have a legitimate guy retiring him, you don't want him losing before that like legitimate guy come back in.

01:02:33.812 --> 01:02:35.613
[SPEAKER_01]: To I say, I'm going to be the one to put you down.

01:02:36.754 --> 01:02:37.614
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, some confused.

01:02:38.295 --> 01:02:39.596
[SPEAKER_00]: I said, he's put over Ocan.

01:02:39.636 --> 01:02:42.378
[SPEAKER_00]: He said, yes, or no, I thought to go, come put him over.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Sorry.

01:02:43.118 --> 01:02:43.919
[SPEAKER_01]: No, I thought,

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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, and Maria, across the LSI is here.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Hi, Maria, I'm glad you're with us.

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[SPEAKER_00]: All right.

01:02:51.504 --> 01:02:54.025
[SPEAKER_00]: And after that, we do have the never open weight championship match.

01:02:54.065 --> 01:02:57.506
[SPEAKER_00]: That is going to be Bolton, Oleg, the champion facing Don Fale.

01:02:58.366 --> 01:02:59.406
[SPEAKER_00]: Billy, we talked about this one.

01:02:59.426 --> 01:03:02.007
[SPEAKER_00]: That this is about as basic a story as it goes.

01:03:02.207 --> 01:03:06.988
[SPEAKER_00]: We have been building to the idea of Bolton using a big strength move on Fale.

01:03:07.728 --> 01:03:15.680
[SPEAKER_00]: I think Jeremy, you and I are in agreement that he's finally going to do it in Kobe and that this is going to be something to put over Oleg and his power.

01:03:15.760 --> 01:03:19.565
[SPEAKER_00]: The only worry is get a really likes fallet.

01:03:19.926 --> 01:03:21.688
[SPEAKER_00]: Please not make him the champion.

01:03:22.049 --> 01:03:22.429
[SPEAKER_00]: Remember.

01:03:23.050 --> 01:03:28.694
[SPEAKER_00]: This is the guy that beat Shinsuke Nakamura clean for the Intercontinental title at one point when they did it back and forth.

01:03:28.714 --> 01:03:29.675
[SPEAKER_00]: Now, that's been many years.

01:03:30.035 --> 01:03:30.875
[SPEAKER_00]: That has been many years.

01:03:31.436 --> 01:03:46.386
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm hoping ghetto realizes that his job, Folley's job in this match should be to take the big power move, maybe even the Kamikaze, if he can pull it off, but certainly a slamer of suplex, Bolton is a big powerhouse.

01:03:46.426 --> 01:03:47.987
[SPEAKER_00]: He's still the never open-way champion.

01:03:48.287 --> 01:03:51.009
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think we need Folley to hold this title in 2025.

01:03:52.530 --> 01:04:08.457
[SPEAKER_01]: WrestleMania 3, Hogan Andre, Body Clamp, maybe a comic comics, they often, like, you get, uh, you get foe, like dragged on the top rope and you get under him and you try it, but I think a body clone opinion is about the best you can owe for the club.

01:04:10.463 --> 01:04:16.988
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, and I have questions as far as what Bolton could be doing when we move toward the show.

01:04:17.268 --> 01:04:20.590
[SPEAKER_00]: Unfortunately, we just don't know how long an RA is going to be out.

01:04:20.630 --> 01:04:33.659
[SPEAKER_00]: I was hearing things like 20, 26 before he's back, but you know, I do wonder who they have to is this BMF title version of the never open way title is back, you know, that's that who we could face.

01:04:34.039 --> 01:04:38.542
[SPEAKER_00]: That would be an interesting matchup for him, but if you like it,

01:04:39.102 --> 01:04:46.728
[SPEAKER_01]: I feel like until you've already started with Falle, it's not completely out of the question that you both in that command-up form.

01:04:48.269 --> 01:04:49.630
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, perhaps.

01:04:50.471 --> 01:04:50.771
[SPEAKER_00]: All right.

01:04:51.312 --> 01:05:02.600
[SPEAKER_00]: So after that, we have the IWGP tag team title match, and that is the knockout brothers that's Edo Ice and Oscar versus ECE and Taichi.

01:05:03.690 --> 01:05:08.835
[SPEAKER_00]: Right now, I would say, he and Taichi have taken up that go to sentimental favorite mantle.

01:05:10.116 --> 01:05:18.583
[SPEAKER_00]: The dog, the dog, the dog, key to this, I keep going back to the fact that all of these guys come back from excursion and fail.

01:05:18.703 --> 01:05:22.407
[SPEAKER_00]: And it's just been this new Japan trope and we all agree that they shouldn't do it.

01:05:23.211 --> 01:05:29.372
[SPEAKER_00]: And I think that you and I both think that the knockout brothers should get the push and take the titles here.

01:05:29.613 --> 01:05:30.313
[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe they will.

01:05:30.673 --> 01:05:43.476
[SPEAKER_00]: You can't discount New Japan tripping over his own shoelaces here because they do it over and over again and have them lose it for the philosophy of it makes no sense to me in that, well, we don't want to just have these guys come back.

01:05:43.516 --> 01:05:44.876
[SPEAKER_00]: What does it make our roster look like?

01:05:44.896 --> 01:05:46.576
[SPEAKER_00]: I'll tell you what a roster looks like right now.

01:05:46.636 --> 01:05:48.157
[SPEAKER_00]: It's somebody, but a bunch of guys that can't draw.

01:05:48.677 --> 01:05:49.577
[SPEAKER_00]: We need new people.

01:05:53.458 --> 01:05:55.579
[SPEAKER_00]: Kind of makes them the perfect one to put over new heels.

01:05:58.360 --> 01:05:59.401
[SPEAKER_01]: Hot take right here.

01:06:00.341 --> 01:06:04.123
[SPEAKER_01]: The tag title in NewtFant haven't mattered for a long time.

01:06:04.623 --> 01:06:06.063
[SPEAKER_01]: Agreed.

01:06:06.083 --> 01:06:12.166
[SPEAKER_01]: And the best way that you can get them to matter is to get people's attention.

01:06:12.806 --> 01:06:16.588
[SPEAKER_01]: Put it on a hot new tag team and make that hot new tag keep untouchable.

01:06:17.424 --> 01:06:24.589
[SPEAKER_00]: We talked about how many years it has been, a startling number of years since anyone's had a real tag team title reign.

01:06:25.029 --> 01:06:29.271
[SPEAKER_00]: And as a matter of fact, there has not been a successful tag team title defense yet this year.

01:06:29.311 --> 01:06:31.953
[SPEAKER_00]: That's how hot potatoed these belts have been.

01:06:32.413 --> 01:06:37.657
[SPEAKER_00]: And in some cases, curse, because a couple of those times have been vacated because of injury or people leaving, whatever.

01:06:38.317 --> 01:06:43.804
[SPEAKER_00]: but yeah, it doesn't feel like the time to change up in that sense.

01:06:44.084 --> 01:06:50.171
[SPEAKER_00]: I think that maybe maybe Utah and Oscar are the guys that can hold him for a minute, but we'll say, there they're there.

01:06:51.880 --> 01:06:56.324
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, they've already invested a ton of time in KLB with you, though, I assume, an author.

01:06:57.165 --> 01:07:04.130
[SPEAKER_01]: And all evidence to me in the case that these guys are going anywhere, anytime soon, if at all.

01:07:04.871 --> 01:07:12.938
[SPEAKER_01]: If that's the case, there's no reason boring health issues that you couldn't just keep the tag titles on these guys for the next 14 months.

01:07:14.442 --> 01:07:24.069
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, build them up, build them up, build them up, make them and all the way to making them make another tag team and the ones that they be interesting.

01:07:24.470 --> 01:07:34.137
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I tell you what, even in a perfect world, I think that they should probably build up Utah and Oscar.

01:07:34.157 --> 01:07:38.541
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm working on all the suit in my head right now, but even their losses, maybe by count out.

01:07:39.572 --> 01:07:46.439
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, maybe by DQ, or something like that, I really don't, don't get these guys shoulders on the mat any time.

01:07:46.499 --> 01:07:52.465
[SPEAKER_00]: So just just have them run through some things, but uh, maybe a draw is a little ambitious for those, too.

01:07:52.505 --> 01:07:57.811
[SPEAKER_01]: But I'm talking about just like, but I'm like, greet, greet like road to match it.

01:07:57.871 --> 01:08:00.554
[SPEAKER_01]: Where it's not them, like even them, they're not taking the pin.

01:08:00.954 --> 01:08:04.196
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, keep down away from, keep the show's on the menu.

01:08:04.216 --> 01:08:12.022
[SPEAKER_01]: And she, she quickly says if they're not the one finishing for at least six months, but you can't discount New Japan botching this.

01:08:12.082 --> 01:08:14.204
[SPEAKER_00]: You just can't, we have too much evidence.

01:08:14.284 --> 01:08:21.229
[SPEAKER_00]: But, uh, and over that Tyler, Tyler says, who needs Andre and Hogan when microman versus Omas replace that analogy for me?

01:08:22.249 --> 01:08:25.592
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, uh, microman and Omas.

01:08:26.132 --> 01:08:26.713
[SPEAKER_00]: And it's a,

01:08:28.247 --> 01:08:48.403
[SPEAKER_00]: It's amazing that those two are made up of the same biologic material and as in basically the both human beings But it just doesn't seem like they both are you going with yes, no Have you see like micro me I do I don't know how many there is and oh masses or mass right and they've they've stood in the same ring and it's just they're both human beings Yet they are not remotely.

01:08:48.443 --> 01:08:49.404
[SPEAKER_00]: They are not the same.

01:08:49.464 --> 01:08:52.606
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, they're not the same all right after that.

01:08:52.706 --> 01:08:53.127
[SPEAKER_00]: Let's next

01:08:55.138 --> 01:08:56.920
[SPEAKER_00]: Hiroma Takahashi and Taiji Ishimori.

01:08:56.940 --> 01:08:58.522
[SPEAKER_00]: So we've already talked about this one quite a bit.

01:08:58.582 --> 01:09:00.965
[SPEAKER_00]: Hiroma putting the GAC title on the line.

01:09:01.486 --> 01:09:03.909
[SPEAKER_00]: Ishimori said he doesn't want the belt.

01:09:04.089 --> 01:09:05.050
[SPEAKER_00]: He's not interested in the belt.

01:09:05.110 --> 01:09:06.412
[SPEAKER_00]: Ben, they're done that type of thing.

01:09:06.993 --> 01:09:08.435
[SPEAKER_00]: We'll see how this one turns out.

01:09:08.515 --> 01:09:09.816
[SPEAKER_00]: So again, this is either

01:09:11.258 --> 01:09:35.624
[SPEAKER_00]: uh... them wanting to bring ishi mori back for a big show at no uh... against a eight uh... uh... or just uh... an interesting twist in the tail and it makes all kinds of sense to have uh... ishi mori as a threat to the gac title since he's so associated with it and it's going to be her own move against eight uh... either way the match with eight uh... it for no it should be pretty good i mean ishi mori would have a good match room so we'll her almost so

01:09:36.224 --> 01:09:40.487
[SPEAKER_00]: Uh, as far as New Japan fans go, this will be a terrific match as well.

01:09:40.527 --> 01:09:48.474
[SPEAKER_00]: This is exactly the kind of guy Jeremy who can still get something out of Hiromu because Hiromu seems motivated and it's more of his type of guy you can have a great match with.

01:09:49.234 --> 01:09:54.158
[SPEAKER_01]: It does kind of feel like a fresh matchup between these two, even though like they've gone out it with each other own wallet.

01:09:55.859 --> 01:09:57.321
[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, I'll give him credit for that.

01:09:57.441 --> 01:10:02.725
[SPEAKER_01]: It feels fresh in a division that has struggled to feel that way for a while.

01:10:03.582 --> 01:10:03.942
[SPEAKER_00]: All right.

01:10:04.603 --> 01:10:05.063
[SPEAKER_00]: There you go.

01:10:05.103 --> 01:10:08.205
[SPEAKER_00]: So that'll be herom was first a defense of that title, by the way.

01:10:08.365 --> 01:10:12.347
[SPEAKER_00]: That's, uh, so you just wanted from, um, was a yo here, right?

01:10:12.627 --> 01:10:12.807
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

01:10:13.167 --> 01:10:13.748
[SPEAKER_01]: I'll go through.

01:10:13.768 --> 01:10:13.888
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

01:10:14.817 --> 01:10:17.498
[SPEAKER_00]: Yoda, Suji and David Finlay, that's a special singles match.

01:10:17.538 --> 01:10:24.020
[SPEAKER_00]: No titles on the line, but what's more of a new Japan trope than winning a special singles match and then challenging later on in the show.

01:10:24.580 --> 01:10:29.582
[SPEAKER_00]: Suji versus Finlay, the story being very simple is that these two can't stand each other.

01:10:29.622 --> 01:10:30.822
[SPEAKER_00]: They get under each other's skin.

01:10:31.702 --> 01:10:36.304
[SPEAKER_00]: Whoever lost the last match has to come back and get the last word against these two must fight.

01:10:39.428 --> 01:10:41.629
[SPEAKER_01]: How many times they wrestled each other this year?

01:10:42.389 --> 01:10:42.949
[SPEAKER_01]: Quite a few.

01:10:43.369 --> 01:10:44.150
[SPEAKER_01]: But they're all good.

01:10:44.690 --> 01:10:45.150
[SPEAKER_00]: They're good.

01:10:45.290 --> 01:11:04.817
[SPEAKER_01]: It's fine, but it's like this is indicative of the fact that they've completely failed to build up anybody over the course of the year, because they're running back this as the top two guys in the promotion potentially challenging for the title before or on wrestle kingdom.

01:11:05.758 --> 01:11:05.918
[SPEAKER_01]: And,

01:11:07.347 --> 01:11:11.608
[SPEAKER_01]: if that were the case, why didn't you just have one of them when the G1?

01:11:12.088 --> 01:11:12.668
[SPEAKER_01]: You know what I mean?

01:11:12.708 --> 01:11:27.552
[SPEAKER_01]: Like it just, like it just like this match doesn't mean anything to me because they've thrown on this like consequential outcome as if one of these guys gets to call their shot because they're the top guy.

01:11:27.572 --> 01:11:29.993
[SPEAKER_01]: The only thing that I could

01:11:31.221 --> 01:11:51.435
[SPEAKER_01]: think of if that this is when you know like jakely come back and he just calls like David family the match or something like that because at some point you know get a can't be in love with the idea that family just can't win if the leader of bullet club and he he keep failing in all the situations.

01:11:51.916 --> 01:11:57.740
[SPEAKER_01]: So I'm kind of waiting for that student drop and I'm not sure if this is the moment for that to happen.

01:11:58.788 --> 01:12:02.129
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and we don't know that they're going to challenge for the world title.

01:12:02.169 --> 01:12:05.050
[SPEAKER_00]: It could be the global title because that's the next match after that.

01:12:05.250 --> 01:12:10.032
[SPEAKER_00]: But they vote both for suitchy and family have already been associated with the global title.

01:12:10.052 --> 01:12:11.832
[SPEAKER_00]: So that wouldn't even be particularly fresh.

01:12:11.912 --> 01:12:14.373
[SPEAKER_00]: Both of them have held it both of them have run with it for a while.

01:12:14.393 --> 01:12:16.994
[SPEAKER_01]: And Emily has already had to title right now.

01:12:17.654 --> 01:12:24.757
[SPEAKER_00]: And yeah, and the as far as the world title goes, one of the both challenged and failed to get that in recent memory.

01:12:24.797 --> 01:12:25.317
[SPEAKER_00]: It's just there's

01:12:26.754 --> 01:12:34.961
[SPEAKER_00]: You hit the nail on the head is that this is a match that they have to throw that they felt like they had to throw on there because everybody else has been compromised by the booking.

01:12:35.642 --> 01:12:41.027
[SPEAKER_00]: And even this doesn't really have a potential to bring anything fresh to main events going forward.

01:12:42.289 --> 01:12:52.359
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean, like, if Yoda's new G is somewhere in the main event, cool, fine, whatever, you still have to sell me on it, it's simply in the main event somewhere, cool, fine, whatever.

01:12:52.500 --> 01:12:53.661
[SPEAKER_01]: You still have to sell me on it.

01:12:54.221 --> 01:12:56.163
[SPEAKER_01]: In no way, she performed up to this point.

01:12:56.464 --> 01:13:02.190
[SPEAKER_01]: Do I feel cold on either one of these guys in the main event level, currently with what Nijvana is going on.

01:13:02.690 --> 01:13:04.091
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, they both have a lot of work to do.

01:13:04.151 --> 01:13:11.633
[SPEAKER_00]: And if Suji ends up being the guy at Russell Kingdom to challenge to cash there or whatever, he needs a bunch of big wins.

01:13:11.693 --> 01:13:17.735
[SPEAKER_00]: This could be the first to try to make it look credible again, because he just keeps tripping over the last hurdle and things.

01:13:17.795 --> 01:13:18.956
[SPEAKER_00]: So, a lot of work to do.

01:13:19.496 --> 01:13:24.017
[SPEAKER_01]: The the worst thing that I could say about it is I literally do not carry with this match.

01:13:25.138 --> 01:13:25.318
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.

01:13:26.201 --> 01:13:33.126
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, the global heavyweight title match is next, and this is the second defense for Gabe Kid, and he is facing Shingo Takagi.

01:13:34.126 --> 01:13:43.272
[SPEAKER_00]: This feels like more of a read the T-Leaves match as to whether or not we are going to have Gabe Kid much going forward to maybe if he loses.

01:13:43.993 --> 01:13:46.434
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't like our chances of having Gabe around a whole lot.

01:13:46.534 --> 01:13:50.917
[SPEAKER_00]: If he wins, then maybe he'll be around more than we initially into a thought.

01:13:51.017 --> 01:13:53.199
[SPEAKER_00]: But Shingo seems to be the,

01:13:54.883 --> 01:14:04.205
[SPEAKER_00]: What Heromo was to the junior division, which is if you just need to put a belt on someone credit credible, and you need to get it off of somebody, you always have him.

01:14:04.585 --> 01:14:06.905
[SPEAKER_00]: And for a while, Heromo was that in the junior division.

01:14:06.925 --> 01:14:12.687
[SPEAKER_00]: There's like, if you, okay, just put it back on Heromo, the fans will buy it, and we can do something with it.

01:14:13.387 --> 01:14:19.868
[SPEAKER_00]: I feel like Schingo is in that spot with either the never title or the global title, which is, we might lose this guy, F Schingo beat him.

01:14:22.766 --> 01:14:25.527
[SPEAKER_01]: God, that would be the worst outcome, what a waste of an investment.

01:14:26.367 --> 01:14:26.587
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

01:14:26.687 --> 01:14:40.092
[SPEAKER_01]: Honestly, like, I think it's irrelevant, either way, gate-kip-kip-kip-kip-kip-kip-kip-kip-kip-kip-kip-kip-kip-kip-kip-kip-kip-kip-kip-kip-kip-kip-kip-kip-kip-kip-kip-kip-kip-kip-kip-kip-kip-kip-kip-kip-kip-kip-kip-kip-kip-kip-kip-kip-kip-kip-kip-kip-kip-kip-kip-kip-kip-kip-kip-kip-kip-kip-kip-kip-kip

01:14:40.592 --> 01:14:52.255
[SPEAKER_01]: But I think he, I think it's pretty clear at this point that if you're not looking at this with an end date mine and that dude is off to AEW.

01:14:52.975 --> 01:14:54.256
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know what to tell you like.

01:14:55.216 --> 01:15:00.177
[SPEAKER_01]: Newspend cannot compete with the contract and with Tonehashi retiring.

01:15:00.197 --> 01:15:05.439
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't want to reason for him to want to be on that active roster with the rest of these.

01:15:06.919 --> 01:15:08.980
[SPEAKER_01]: Not totally loved you know that kind of thing.

01:15:10.910 --> 01:15:14.792
[SPEAKER_01]: So that to me seems somewhat irrelevant.

01:15:15.092 --> 01:15:25.997
[SPEAKER_01]: But if you're taking the belt off of Gabe Kid to give to Shingo, I feel like you have lost an opportunity to put, to use Gabe to put over one of the younger guys.

01:15:26.197 --> 01:15:37.422
[SPEAKER_01]: And for the fact that they have continually failed opportunities to put over the younger guys and to get that belt and level up, one of the Raywa, you, hell, I don't even care.

01:15:37.462 --> 01:15:39.843
[SPEAKER_01]: Put it on rent, I literally do not care.

01:15:40.223 --> 01:15:41.464
[SPEAKER_01]: But I do not want it on.

01:15:41.484 --> 01:15:49.567
[SPEAKER_01]: I do not want him dropping the title to God bless you go a 40 something year old veteran because it's the safe play.

01:15:51.427 --> 01:15:55.709
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I mean, I, I, well, I put the pause on that.

01:15:55.849 --> 01:15:57.890
[SPEAKER_00]: Let's talk about the main event because of actually.

01:15:58.989 --> 01:16:05.835
[SPEAKER_00]: I was the same getting out of myself right there, but I have very similar thoughts on this match is that Shingo's great, this match will be good.

01:16:06.275 --> 01:16:08.577
[SPEAKER_00]: It's like most of this car, this match will be good.

01:16:08.597 --> 01:16:11.259
[SPEAKER_00]: It won't be particularly fresh, but it'll be good.

01:16:11.319 --> 01:16:13.020
[SPEAKER_00]: And this will be good wrestling between the two.

01:16:13.341 --> 01:16:15.663
[SPEAKER_00]: Shingo would be a good global champion.

01:16:16.803 --> 01:16:20.647
[SPEAKER_00]: Again, we just are to that point where we've got to have some fresh in this company and this isn't it.

01:16:20.767 --> 01:16:24.850
[SPEAKER_00]: But let's go to the World Heavyweight title match, which is the main event.

01:16:30.415 --> 01:16:35.899
[SPEAKER_00]: So it just doesn't feel like this is Narita's time to take this thing.

01:16:36.539 --> 01:16:52.991
[SPEAKER_00]: It feels like a thing for Zack to do on the way to Takeshda, do you think there is any way that they pull off a stunning upset here with Hook, Crook, Interference, all the shenanigans and Ren Narita comes out of this as a surprise world heavyweight champion.

01:16:54.332 --> 01:16:55.233
[SPEAKER_00]: a five percent chance.

01:16:55.534 --> 01:16:56.555
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not ruling it out.

01:16:57.016 --> 01:16:57.777
[SPEAKER_00]: I put it at 20.

01:16:58.057 --> 01:16:58.437
[SPEAKER_00]: I put it at 20.

01:16:58.598 --> 01:17:02.082
[SPEAKER_01]: It's not a zero percent chance.

01:17:02.182 --> 01:17:03.344
[SPEAKER_01]: Let's be clear on that.

01:17:03.704 --> 01:17:08.150
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, there's a very real possibility that they save that Saber Jr.

01:17:08.791 --> 01:17:09.992
[SPEAKER_01]: and to catch it up for.

01:17:10.893 --> 01:17:24.159
[SPEAKER_01]: the IWGP title and the way to get there is that Zach never lost to Kesha and, you know, we kind of like if you really want to be IWGP champion you got to prove it and beat me one more time kind of thing.

01:17:25.420 --> 01:17:26.100
[SPEAKER_01]: You could.

01:17:27.721 --> 01:17:32.183
[SPEAKER_01]: But I also feel like kind of a a wet fart idea.

01:17:32.203 --> 01:17:35.525
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, I know it's like the idea of.

01:17:36.686 --> 01:17:40.609
[SPEAKER_01]: In Japan, main eventing, the King of Pro Wrestling, Zat Samur Jr.

01:17:41.410 --> 01:17:46.474
[SPEAKER_01]: versus Kinozuka Ticket Chef for the IWGP Championship.

01:17:47.115 --> 01:17:59.124
[SPEAKER_01]: Sounds a lot more enticing to Ticket Sales than Ren Narita in his first title defense versus the G1 Champion Kinozuka Ticket Shida from the IWGP Championship.

01:17:59.445 --> 01:18:03.068
[SPEAKER_01]: Because either way, you're going to be disappointed.

01:18:03.668 --> 01:18:09.592
[SPEAKER_01]: If Render Rita wins, you're gonna be like, why the fuck did I waste my time with the G1?

01:18:10.392 --> 01:18:14.475
[SPEAKER_01]: If she cashed her wins, whatever, you'd just be Render Rita.

01:18:15.636 --> 01:18:19.198
[SPEAKER_00]: Now, and that's, again, this is not a knock on Render Rita's talent.

01:18:19.618 --> 01:18:24.922
[SPEAKER_00]: It's a point about the booking that he just hasn't been made out to be that level of a guy, he's...

01:18:26.107 --> 01:18:36.800
[SPEAKER_01]: He could number two in a faction, you know, it's like a brandy orton in Triple H, evil in Renderita and the other guy and Don Folley's got him on a shoulder and they're doing the thumb up down.

01:18:36.880 --> 01:18:43.668
[SPEAKER_01]: It's like they're more like with a chance that evil's gonna like kind of off at the kind of like shank him in the back to then anything else.

01:18:44.244 --> 01:18:49.949
[SPEAKER_00]: And that is my point with Narita that his story shouldn't be the world title.

01:18:50.109 --> 01:18:52.290
[SPEAKER_00]: His story should be overthrowing evil.

01:18:53.231 --> 01:18:54.432
[SPEAKER_00]: Trat should be this thing.

01:18:54.752 --> 01:18:57.154
[SPEAKER_00]: He absolutely can be.

01:18:57.615 --> 01:19:00.056
[SPEAKER_00]: He is talented enough to be a champion.

01:19:00.096 --> 01:19:02.558
[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe even the IWGP world heavyweight champion.

01:19:03.279 --> 01:19:07.682
[SPEAKER_00]: But he needs to take evil out first that that needs to be his character's progression.

01:19:08.523 --> 01:19:16.791
[SPEAKER_00]: For a lot of reasons, one, he just needs that extra juice because he is a talented guy and he might be able to be a good world champion, especially as a heal.

01:19:17.152 --> 01:19:22.397
[SPEAKER_00]: The other side of that is, there's real babyface run in Watanabe, evil.

01:19:22.777 --> 01:19:25.480
[SPEAKER_00]: I think the G1 kind of showed that.

01:19:25.540 --> 01:19:27.101
[SPEAKER_00]: That the crowd will get behind it.

01:19:27.562 --> 01:19:32.226
[SPEAKER_00]: So, Narita overthrowing him, making evil into the sympathetic

01:19:33.047 --> 01:19:40.590
[SPEAKER_00]: a baby face side of it, even if he maintains the dark side of him, which the fans might actually enjoy, there's meat on that bone.

01:19:41.230 --> 01:19:44.791
[SPEAKER_00]: And you can get, if Narita then wins that feud.

01:19:45.272 --> 01:19:48.473
[SPEAKER_00]: Now you're talking about a guy who can challenge for the world time, and he got to take seriously.

01:19:48.533 --> 01:19:50.093
[SPEAKER_00]: Now he's the leader of his group.

01:19:50.954 --> 01:19:53.935
[SPEAKER_00]: All of that stuff needs to happen before he can be the world champion, I think.

01:19:54.355 --> 01:19:54.455
[SPEAKER_00]: And

01:19:55.948 --> 01:19:58.790
[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe the most important part of all this is something you said earlier.

01:19:58.870 --> 01:19:59.791
[SPEAKER_00]: Zach Saber Jr.

01:19:59.831 --> 01:20:05.796
[SPEAKER_00]: versus Kanozke to Keshda sounds more like a Sumo Hall main event than Renner Reed of Versus to Keshda.

01:20:05.996 --> 01:20:07.077
[SPEAKER_00]: And they've got a Celtic.

01:20:07.698 --> 01:20:07.798
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

01:20:08.599 --> 01:20:12.921
[SPEAKER_01]: The end of the day weren't a business and a business of making matches that you want to see.

01:20:12.941 --> 01:20:17.623
[SPEAKER_01]: And read and read it simply does not have that catch a yet.

01:20:18.124 --> 01:20:19.364
[SPEAKER_00]: He should someday, but you're right.

01:20:19.404 --> 01:20:20.565
[SPEAKER_01]: And that's not it's full.

01:20:21.946 --> 01:20:22.346
[SPEAKER_00]: It's not.

01:20:22.366 --> 01:20:23.286
[SPEAKER_01]: It makes that clear.

01:20:23.306 --> 01:20:27.308
[SPEAKER_01]: But you know, like they don't have night out.

01:20:27.928 --> 01:20:30.490
[SPEAKER_01]: They're losing talking to Hoshie in three months.

01:20:31.170 --> 01:20:33.251
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, like Takeshita part time.

01:20:34.332 --> 01:20:36.713
[SPEAKER_01]: Who's who's the guy like who who.

01:20:38.106 --> 01:20:40.848
[SPEAKER_01]: It's a dip or auto because you're doing your heavyweight, you know what I mean?

01:20:40.868 --> 01:20:43.229
[SPEAKER_01]: Like it just like we are.

01:20:45.610 --> 01:20:53.395
[SPEAKER_01]: We are heading towards a pathway in which it's not totally clear you can get through with the tools that you have.

01:20:54.335 --> 01:20:54.715
[SPEAKER_00]: Fair enough.

01:20:55.136 --> 01:20:55.316
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

01:20:55.776 --> 01:20:56.757
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

01:20:56.777 --> 01:20:57.077
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.

01:20:57.157 --> 01:20:58.718
[SPEAKER_00]: So, question is this, Jeremy.

01:20:59.098 --> 01:20:59.278
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

01:20:59.478 --> 01:21:01.179
[SPEAKER_00]: Last year, destruction of Kobe drew 4500.

01:21:02.929 --> 01:21:05.250
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, four thousand or five hundred people for destruction and coma.

01:21:05.310 --> 01:21:06.650
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, I haven't given you the line yet.

01:21:07.870 --> 01:21:09.591
[SPEAKER_00]: So it's definitely going to be less.

01:21:09.971 --> 01:21:11.412
[SPEAKER_00]: It'll definitely be like, here's the card.

01:21:11.512 --> 01:21:12.272
[SPEAKER_00]: I want to talk about this.

01:21:12.292 --> 01:21:13.232
[SPEAKER_00]: So we have a little bit of time.

01:21:13.752 --> 01:21:15.573
[SPEAKER_00]: Here was the card for destruction and Kobe less.

01:21:15.593 --> 01:21:16.873
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to read every single batch.

01:21:16.913 --> 01:21:17.693
[SPEAKER_00]: Just going to read the line.

01:21:17.733 --> 01:21:19.114
[SPEAKER_01]: We got to read the rest of the house.

01:21:20.514 --> 01:21:23.535
[SPEAKER_00]: Main event was Tetsuya, Naito, and Great O'Con for the world title.

01:21:23.555 --> 01:21:24.275
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.

01:21:24.375 --> 01:21:27.556
[SPEAKER_00]: The global title was Finlay versus Yoshi Hashie.

01:21:27.576 --> 01:21:28.316
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.

01:21:28.817 --> 01:21:29.617
[SPEAKER_00]: Finlay is champion.

01:21:30.567 --> 01:21:38.029
[SPEAKER_00]: the singles match for the never title was Hennare as the champion against shingo shingo won the title from Hennare there.

01:21:38.569 --> 01:21:39.189
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.

01:21:39.329 --> 01:21:40.309
[SPEAKER_00]: That was the title change.

01:21:40.849 --> 01:21:45.490
[SPEAKER_00]: The junior heavyweight match was Dokey against Yoshinogu kind of maro.

01:21:45.830 --> 01:21:46.770
[SPEAKER_00]: Dokey is the champion.

01:21:47.411 --> 01:21:52.032
[SPEAKER_00]: And then just a bunch of, a couple of six man matches underneath.

01:21:52.132 --> 01:21:52.352
[SPEAKER_00]: Sure.

01:21:53.952 --> 01:21:54.472
[SPEAKER_00]: Here is one.

01:21:55.112 --> 01:21:56.213
[SPEAKER_00]: This is one that I forgot about.

01:21:56.233 --> 01:22:04.036
[SPEAKER_00]: This one, they did a single smash, goto versus Gabe Kid that ended in the double countout when they just brawled around the arena in two minutes.

01:22:04.596 --> 01:22:10.098
[SPEAKER_00]: And then they got on the microphone and made it an 11 minute no DQ match the goto one.

01:22:12.819 --> 01:22:16.540
[SPEAKER_01]: Half the people that you mentioned on this card are even on the card.

01:22:17.317 --> 01:22:20.140
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, Ram, and then listen here, you want to hear this one?

01:22:20.180 --> 01:22:20.600
[SPEAKER_00]: How about this?

01:22:21.021 --> 01:22:22.402
[SPEAKER_00]: Here's some people that are missing an action.

01:22:23.022 --> 01:22:34.073
[SPEAKER_00]: The match before that was Bouchy, was in it with Suji and Heromo, and they defeated Jeff Cobb, a Calam Numen, and Francesco Akira who are completely missing an action from Gobe.

01:22:34.593 --> 01:22:35.434
[SPEAKER_00]: You know what I'm saying?

01:22:35.474 --> 01:22:36.595
[SPEAKER_00]: Of course it's going to be less.

01:22:36.715 --> 01:22:37.336
[SPEAKER_00]: Probably less than 4,000.

01:22:38.677 --> 01:22:42.804
[SPEAKER_00]: that was going to be my question is I was going to put the number at 3,800, do they exceed at 3,000?

01:22:42.945 --> 01:22:44.427
[SPEAKER_00]: I'll say under 4,000, but I think they might hit over 300.

01:22:49.229 --> 01:22:50.790
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, all right, so there you go.

01:22:51.550 --> 01:22:58.172
[SPEAKER_00]: That I kind of think that it'll come in around 38, which is why I put that number is the overrunner.

01:22:58.712 --> 01:23:00.473
[SPEAKER_00]: I think that that's probably gonna be it.

01:23:00.533 --> 01:23:02.374
[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe they'll get like the product.

01:23:02.794 --> 01:23:03.874
[SPEAKER_01]: The product is cold.

01:23:04.194 --> 01:23:10.437
[SPEAKER_01]: The only thing that they have going for them on this card for King of Pro Wrestling, or wait, this one right here, sorry.

01:23:11.017 --> 01:23:11.397
[SPEAKER_01]: Discussion?

01:23:11.417 --> 01:23:16.399
[SPEAKER_01]: Not even that because I think if they have the to catch that and it's got a safer trigger, like that's not even on it.

01:23:17.814 --> 01:23:21.458
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, no, no, I think I think it's literally luck.

01:23:21.638 --> 01:23:25.422
[SPEAKER_01]: I think the, um, I don't think that there is anything.

01:23:26.103 --> 01:23:39.036
[SPEAKER_01]: So in a we original or unique that people are coming for this card other than they want to support the show and it's the big show of them.

01:23:40.155 --> 01:23:54.615
[SPEAKER_00]: I picked 3,800 because it's, again, that's about my prediction based on this, most of the shows we have seen, since the nighto's leaving, the nighto hangover, so to speak, being about 20 percent.

01:23:56.237 --> 01:23:57.978
[SPEAKER_00]: 15% under last year.

01:23:58.459 --> 01:24:02.281
[SPEAKER_00]: That's what we've seen to 15% to 20% decrease when that.

01:24:02.381 --> 01:24:07.925
[SPEAKER_00]: And I bought part that at about 384,510% is 4,500.

01:24:08.245 --> 01:24:12.047
[SPEAKER_00]: That takes you almost down to 4,000 right there and then a little bit less than that I think 38.

01:24:12.087 --> 01:24:14.909
[SPEAKER_00]: But it's kind of where I think it's going to end up.

01:24:15.689 --> 01:24:16.430
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm curious to see.

01:24:17.903 --> 01:24:21.545
[SPEAKER_00]: So, we know nothing at this exact point, correct?

01:24:21.565 --> 01:24:23.687
[SPEAKER_01]: We know nothing about advanced sales at all, no.

01:24:24.007 --> 01:24:27.529
[SPEAKER_01]: But Tana-Haq, she last match at rest looking them.

01:24:28.330 --> 01:24:32.332
[SPEAKER_01]: We're probably going to find out very soon who it's going to be.

01:24:33.133 --> 01:24:35.394
[SPEAKER_01]: Do you think it's NATO?

01:24:36.595 --> 01:24:37.816
[SPEAKER_01]: Do you think it's O'Kana?

01:24:38.673 --> 01:24:39.694
[SPEAKER_01]: Do you think it's somebody else?

01:24:40.395 --> 01:24:42.617
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know, but you know, I honestly don't.

01:24:42.857 --> 01:24:47.501
[SPEAKER_00]: I think they would like it to be somebody like NATO.

01:24:48.162 --> 01:24:53.367
[SPEAKER_00]: A big event, the idea that he could return, even if it's as a freelancer, I still think that NATO

01:24:55.054 --> 01:25:05.265
[SPEAKER_00]: As a freelancer, if he is indeed a freelancer, and this isn't all just to set up that type of thing, but I know some people have the tinfoil hats on thinking that he's been with the company all along and is just recovering from injury.

01:25:05.665 --> 01:25:07.988
[SPEAKER_00]: I guess he and Bush, you're gonna work with WXW.

01:25:09.349 --> 01:25:10.891
[SPEAKER_00]: Again, that's another company that's been

01:25:11.972 --> 01:25:22.309
[SPEAKER_00]: In the new Japan alliance camp, so you could you could think that well, maybe this is all just him taking some time off to recover and that he's going to just work with new Japan adjacent companies.

01:25:22.810 --> 01:25:23.371
[SPEAKER_00]: I get all that.

01:25:24.112 --> 01:25:26.436
[SPEAKER_00]: I think NATO needs to be there if they can get.

01:25:28.439 --> 01:25:31.580
[SPEAKER_00]: It doesn't look like Nakamura's leaving WWE after all what thought he was.

01:25:31.640 --> 01:25:32.581
[SPEAKER_00]: Now it looks like he's not.

01:25:32.681 --> 01:25:33.561
[SPEAKER_00]: That would have been great.

01:25:34.101 --> 01:25:35.122
[SPEAKER_00]: That would have been exciting.

01:25:35.682 --> 01:25:37.103
[SPEAKER_00]: And that would have gotten some attention.

01:25:37.683 --> 01:25:38.503
[SPEAKER_00]: Barring that.

01:25:39.183 --> 01:25:42.945
[SPEAKER_00]: If you can't get Ocada, Ocada is an interesting one.

01:25:44.578 --> 01:25:51.842
[SPEAKER_01]: It's been enough time and you have to think about the fact that with Ocata, if he's going to come back, it's one, it has to be the main event.

01:25:52.062 --> 01:25:52.803
[SPEAKER_01]: That's the Tokyo don't.

01:25:52.843 --> 01:25:54.103
[SPEAKER_01]: He's not coming for anything else.

01:25:54.704 --> 01:25:55.204
[SPEAKER_01]: Number one.

01:25:55.224 --> 01:25:58.946
[SPEAKER_01]: He's got a reason and he's not putting over one of the younger guys.

01:25:59.928 --> 01:26:00.108
[SPEAKER_00]: Right.

01:26:00.128 --> 01:26:00.808
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

01:26:01.188 --> 01:26:01.329
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

01:26:01.649 --> 01:26:06.150
[SPEAKER_00]: So, but this would be a circumstance where you could just pay in whatever he wants to get him there.

01:26:06.310 --> 01:26:19.455
[SPEAKER_01]: So to speak and be my he might be willing to do it part of a AEW contract, you know, like what he's being paid like AEW like on loan for AEW, he might be open for doing even all of that.

01:26:27.728 --> 01:26:29.369
[SPEAKER_01]: the day's not as kind of retire.

01:26:29.649 --> 01:26:30.490
[SPEAKER_01]: You know what I mean.

01:26:30.910 --> 01:26:35.934
[SPEAKER_01]: This is this is fucking Tana Hashie.

01:26:36.014 --> 01:26:42.898
[SPEAKER_01]: And Ocada in a lot of ways does owe his career to what Tana Hashie did to help him get to where he is.

01:26:43.098 --> 01:26:45.200
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, Tana Hashie made because of Shoko.

01:26:45.260 --> 01:26:45.700
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.

01:26:45.820 --> 01:26:54.846
[SPEAKER_01]: Go like the idea that like suddenly Ocada is too big to send this guy off into the sunset.

01:26:55.086 --> 01:26:55.186
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.

01:26:56.467 --> 01:27:00.209
[SPEAKER_00]: Now, Ocada was talented enough that once he got the ball, he ran with it like no one has.

01:27:00.709 --> 01:27:01.509
[SPEAKER_00]: And he was brilliant.

01:27:01.549 --> 01:27:03.770
[SPEAKER_00]: And Tana has she didn't do it alone.

01:27:03.971 --> 01:27:08.012
[SPEAKER_00]: But Tana has she didn't put him over the way he put over Ocada.

01:27:08.293 --> 01:27:11.074
[SPEAKER_00]: Ocada doesn't reach the status that he got.

01:27:11.094 --> 01:27:12.134
[SPEAKER_00]: And yeah, absolutely.

01:27:12.154 --> 01:27:12.955
[SPEAKER_00]: He met in that sense.

01:27:12.995 --> 01:27:13.735
[SPEAKER_00]: He made Ocada.

01:27:14.095 --> 01:27:15.336
[SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, that would be a good one.

01:27:15.456 --> 01:27:16.757
[SPEAKER_00]: Now, I think those are the two.

01:27:17.077 --> 01:27:19.178
[SPEAKER_00]: Those are the two that could actually bring some

01:27:20.258 --> 01:27:21.219
[SPEAKER_01]: Real attention.

01:27:21.239 --> 01:27:23.500
[SPEAKER_01]: But it needs to be Japanese Japanese.

01:27:23.660 --> 01:27:32.965
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, like can he is can he is still like an adopted beloved figure, but it's not the same thing.

01:27:33.566 --> 01:27:41.270
[SPEAKER_00]: He's third choice, you know, that's that's he's third choice on that list, which is pretty high considering all the people and pro wrestling.

01:27:41.510 --> 01:27:42.811
[SPEAKER_01]: So if you're going on sale on October 1,

01:27:45.352 --> 01:27:52.688
[SPEAKER_01]: And if they don't have at least one match and now for the thing, you know, when they have every opportunity to do so, they deserve what they get.

01:27:54.727 --> 01:27:55.067
[SPEAKER_00]: Well said.

01:27:55.087 --> 01:27:56.367
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, well said.

01:27:56.407 --> 01:28:01.168
[SPEAKER_00]: So we'll see what destruction in Kobe brings on the 28th.

01:28:01.308 --> 01:28:02.469
[SPEAKER_00]: So that is coming up Sunday.

01:28:03.009 --> 01:28:04.409
[SPEAKER_00]: We will be keeping an eye on it.

01:28:04.449 --> 01:28:09.130
[SPEAKER_00]: Of course, when we come back here next week, we're going to break down that card, top to bottom right there.

01:28:09.690 --> 01:28:19.972
[SPEAKER_00]: And we will have a full coverage of it for you here, as well as a look ahead to the aftermath of that, was should lead us into the road to King of Pro Wrestling.

01:28:20.072 --> 01:28:21.892
[SPEAKER_00]: So the now we're starting to get that

01:28:24.653 --> 01:28:26.374
[SPEAKER_00]: We're going to have a lot of clues as to what's coming.

01:28:26.394 --> 01:28:28.196
[SPEAKER_01]: A lot of you here to fill 90 minutes coming up.

01:28:28.596 --> 01:28:29.617
[SPEAKER_00]: The U.S.

01:28:29.657 --> 01:28:31.778
[SPEAKER_00]: VA guys is Prince Debit possibly.

01:28:31.798 --> 01:28:36.442
[SPEAKER_00]: And if you weren't connected to WWE, I would consider taking a lot more seriously.

01:28:36.602 --> 01:28:40.124
[SPEAKER_01]: That's not a very lovely sentiment that Prince Debit, like throughout there.

01:28:40.785 --> 01:28:43.807
[SPEAKER_01]: He's not the guy that works at WWE that they should be sitting over.

01:28:44.600 --> 01:28:54.687
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's, I mean, it'd be terrific match, but again, I don't know that that it's, I don't think it's going to happen for one day to get a beer from the Western world, that if not fan service for Japan.

01:28:55.527 --> 01:28:57.669
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and he's, he was a big star in Japan.

01:28:57.689 --> 01:29:01.211
[SPEAKER_00]: We're not trying to discount that, but he's also deputy, but he's not going to send it.

01:29:02.692 --> 01:29:08.295
[SPEAKER_01]: Knock him or it's right there, but he's not either because he's WWE, right?

01:29:08.335 --> 01:29:09.116
[SPEAKER_00]: Why would it not help?

01:29:09.136 --> 01:29:11.998
[SPEAKER_01]: You said, David, over to retire the guy with knock him or it's right there.

01:29:12.487 --> 01:29:14.187
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, well, I mean, they're not going to do either one.

01:29:14.207 --> 01:29:15.008
[SPEAKER_00]: They're not going to do anything.

01:29:15.028 --> 01:29:15.628
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't want to.

01:29:15.668 --> 01:29:17.908
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I don't want to do anything.

01:29:17.928 --> 01:29:18.708
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.

01:29:18.728 --> 01:29:19.229
[SPEAKER_00]: I understand.

01:29:19.249 --> 01:29:20.089
[SPEAKER_00]: I understand.

01:29:20.669 --> 01:29:27.671
[SPEAKER_00]: Really, they're trying to say, as we sit here, WWE is trying to figure out something to do in Japan.

01:29:27.691 --> 01:29:28.471
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, they are.

01:29:28.491 --> 01:29:29.411
[SPEAKER_00]: I promise you they are.

01:29:29.451 --> 01:29:32.692
[SPEAKER_00]: They want to take over the world and choke off all the talent pipelines.

01:29:32.952 --> 01:29:34.592
[SPEAKER_01]: What are we going to do today, Pinky?

01:29:34.752 --> 01:29:37.093
[SPEAKER_01]: I think of a brain and think we do everyday Pinky.

01:29:37.153 --> 01:29:38.113
[SPEAKER_01]: Try and take over the world.

01:29:38.508 --> 01:29:39.189
[SPEAKER_00]: That's correct.

01:29:39.429 --> 01:29:39.930
[SPEAKER_00]: All right.

01:29:40.290 --> 01:29:42.533
[SPEAKER_00]: They got to fatten up that goose for the Saudis to buy.

01:29:42.633 --> 01:29:43.274
[SPEAKER_00]: So that's what they're.

01:29:43.414 --> 01:29:43.855
[SPEAKER_00]: That's what they're.

01:29:43.975 --> 01:29:44.496
[SPEAKER_01]: All right.

01:29:44.536 --> 01:29:45.056
[SPEAKER_01]: Get it out of here.

01:29:45.717 --> 01:29:46.058
[SPEAKER_00]: All right.

01:29:46.098 --> 01:29:51.424
[SPEAKER_00]: So with that in mind, I want to say thank you to everybody who joined us live a Tyler Fernando Maria Collin.

01:29:51.524 --> 01:29:52.125
[SPEAKER_00]: All of you guys.

01:29:53.086 --> 01:29:53.787
[SPEAKER_00]: USVA guy.

01:29:53.807 --> 01:29:55.229
[SPEAKER_00]: We're glad you're here as well.

01:29:56.693 --> 01:30:05.255
[SPEAKER_00]: for everybody that listen to us live or everybody listens to the podcast later or checks out this YouTube video down the road we appreciate your time very much.

01:30:05.295 --> 01:30:07.555
[SPEAKER_00]: Don't forget power bombshells we back here on Sunday.

01:30:08.296 --> 01:30:14.237
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01:30:14.257 --> 01:30:16.437
[SPEAKER_00]: A lot of great discussions about pro wrestling here on the show.

01:30:16.477 --> 01:30:17.458
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01:30:17.498 --> 01:30:18.118
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01:30:19.301 --> 01:30:20.203
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01:30:20.845 --> 01:30:22.449
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01:30:22.509 --> 01:30:24.353
[SPEAKER_00]: So for Jeremy Feinstein, I am Stephen Conway.

01:30:24.393 --> 01:30:28.383
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