April 7, 2026

CM Punk’s Shooty Promo, Ari Emanuel, WrestleMania Saturday/Sunday + Kenny Omega vs. MJF | Takedown

CM Punk’s Shooty Promo, Ari Emanuel, WrestleMania Saturday/Sunday + Kenny Omega vs. MJF | Takedown
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Takedown dives into CM Punk’s latest "pipe bomb" and the reports of Ari Emanuel's creative influence over Pat McAfee on SmackDown. Garrett and Paul also look ahead to AEW Dynasty and predict the winner of the epic Omega vs MJF clash.

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[SPEAKER_01]: All right, it's time for take down Paul Fontaine and I here on the fight game media YouTube channel as well as the audio feed and we're going to talk about the two nights of WrestleMania the the cards are out there.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We'll also talk a little bit about this, uh, I know this pat McFey thing and then there's a CM punk thing and then there's an Arya manual thing, what's going on in WWE right now.

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[SPEAKER_01]: There of course they're trying to create some buzz for this show, but man there's a lot of stuff that thrown a lot of darts at the wall here.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Uh, what's going on, he'll take their clothes chasing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: am I wrong?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like what's the reason though?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like they're the biggest wrestling company in the world, it's their biggest show of the year.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They're going to sell the most, they're going to earn the most that the biggest gate of all time in a wrestling show.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like what's the last part of not sure about?

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[SPEAKER_00]: I brand in thirst since I don't know up to today and he's skeptical.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So what would be it?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, last year.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So he doesn't think that they can beat last year.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He thinks that like the ticket prices started out high, but they went down fairly quickly.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I mean, we're not going to know until Polestar does their, you know, analysis a couple months later.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But he thinks that they're going to have a hard time beating us.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, I mean, I think it's beating them for ticket sold.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I was pretty much impossible at this point.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, yeah, it all depends on what I was looking at prices.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I mean, you know, you can get like four seats for 300 bucks.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I thought it'd be like a thousand.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So, you know, like I, I'll probably end up going, but, you know, I don't know.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Let's talk about Brian.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, he is going.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You're talking about Brian Alvarez.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, he got tickets, apparently.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But I just the idea that WrestleMania has always been about hype, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: I John Lerocca and I recently rewatched WrestleMania 1 and we reviewed it on the fight game podcast, which you are going to be a guest on this Thursday.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You and I will be together on the fake game media or the F4W YouTube channel and we're going to go live to the normal audience So if anybody is interested in that just make sure that you subscribe to the F4W online at YouTube channel and you'll see us go probably around the same time as we're going now But just on Thursday, but Historically Russell Manie has been about

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[SPEAKER_01]: creating the most buzz, trying to cross over on the most channels, Muhammad Ali, Liberachi, Billy Martin, Cindy Lopper, all a part of WrestleMania one.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And so today, like I think the celebrities that they have today are actually lesser than those original celebrities from 1985, like

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, they're a different type of celebrity.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You can't really have the same type of pop culture.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We do no.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I just don't I don't get like it's always been about that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's always been about creating hype.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Why is this your different?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, I mean, you know, I don't like if when you talk about like Muhammad Ali and Cindy Lopper at the time and even Liberachi, like those are, I mean, those are household names mainstream top stars, I mean that they didn't, you know, they traditionally haven't had that kind of celebrity every year at WrestleMania.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, if you're talking like I assume jelly rolls going to have some sort of involvement, you know, and Tom Brady probably, I mean, those are pretty big names, whatever Tom's going to do to have an announced yet, but everybody mean Tom Brady is, you know, that that's an A list or

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[SPEAKER_00]: Jelly roll, you know, you can argue, I mean, I think it depends on what you call an a list or I mean, certain chatGPT's will tell you that he is, I mean, it, it all depends on, you know, who you're talking about he's a, and I think to wrestling fans, I don't think he's actually as big to wrestling fans as he actually is to, you know, certain segments of the general public.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then, you know, you got your eye show speed to his big and his field, you know, an even Logan Paul, you know, who's a WWE regular at this point, but, you know, he's he's a big name with a certain section of people.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, I mean, they're trying, but I think it was around the early 2000s where

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[SPEAKER_00]: you know, WWE kind of said, well, we're the celebrities.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so we're, we'll bring people in, but we don't want them to over shine our people.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like that, that's kind of the mentality they took at that time.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, and, and then, you know, and they kind of got away from that the last few years.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think maybe since TKO took over, they're trying to try to get the bigger main people in.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But now, if what you said was, they're more reactive.

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[SPEAKER_01]: yesterday, then they've ever been.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I would agree with you.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They're trying to create a buzz that isn't there necessarily, too.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so is that a reaction to some people would like to believe it's a reaction A, W. I don't think it is.

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[SPEAKER_00]: A, W has been doing very well.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They're up in ratings.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They're doing very well in paper view.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Ticket sales are up.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I saw their most recent update

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[SPEAKER_00]: But I mean, it's so, I mean, no offense, but it's so small potatoes compared to what WWE is doing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think WWE is chasing themselves in some ways, trying to get back to where they were and figuring out what they need to do to get to that again.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I don't even know if they can.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I think they look at the UFC and go well, the UFC can continue to go into these markets and do crazy business over and over for what most would consider to be very average cards than why can't WWE do that well.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, they're starting to show some crinks in the armor too, like the London show, they did a great gate, but it looks like a lot of those tickets might have been sold to scalpers.

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[SPEAKER_01]: one of the unique things about the UFC product is you don't see the same people every week.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Exactly.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Which is with wrestling.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You see the same people every week.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And very, you know, very rare that someone takes some time off.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like Roman, you know, well, has a different schedule, Brock Lesnar has a different schedule.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But

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[SPEAKER_00]: We've seen Cody Rhodes week in and week out seemingly for, you know, as long as he's not injured for like four years so yeah and even punk I mean he's been there pretty much every week since he came back from injury and I don't think that we thought that that was going to be the case when he came back like I think everyone assumed he was on some sort of a limited deal, but he's there every week, you know, hey wherever I am this week isn't it great to be alive on a Monday yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And by the way, we will talk about Kenny Omega and MJF in the latter half of the show because dynasty is this weekend.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But we'll start with the WWE stuff just because it's, they got covered in the Hollywood reporter today, which I thought was kind of funny.

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[SPEAKER_01]: how Arya manual inadvertently became a part of this story, they didn't do anything inadvertently.

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[SPEAKER_01]: This is very purposeful for them to create hype and awareness about what's going on.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So the, let's start with the Pat McAfee thing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I know it was a few days ago, and I feel like it's all we're already over it, but I wanted to get your thoughts on it because we haven't talked about it, and I had one,

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[SPEAKER_01]: thing about it specifically that if they went a specific way with this angle, then I think it was kind of worth it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then if they went another way with this angle, then like most everybody, I do think this is really dumb.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But if Pat McAfee joining Randy Orton, seemingly at the last minute where you're only two weeks away, essentially, to create more hype so that he can go on his

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[SPEAKER_01]: If this is set up for us for fans to get a Stone Cold Steve Austin run in, which I think would probably get the biggest pop of both nights, I think that would be worth it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Pat McAfee's a great person to take a Stone Cold Stunner at the end of the night after playing bad guy wrestler, but if this is not for Austin, or for someone who we're not even

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[SPEAKER_01]: then it's probably a pretty bad angle and it's probably pretty, I don't know if it will be negative, but I think the way that they started it very much so was negative.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They started it so poorly that I was like, I thought Vince Russo was talking to Tony Khan.

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[SPEAKER_01]: How did he start talking to Triple H?

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[SPEAKER_00]: I was baffled like I heard about it as you did before watching it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I literally, I think I was getting text as it was happening and people like just couldn't believe it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I normally, like most of the time I usually watch SmackDown, you know, that the next day, you know, in the morning if I have a chance in the afternoon, usually.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And to this one, I think I ended up having to watch it that night because I just, I had to see what is this all about.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I was baffled, like I just, I could not believe this made air and it started to sound like, I mean, they may not have even, I don't think they gave them a script.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think they gave him bullet points and they just said, you know, like, go out there and talk about how much you like the old wrestling that you grew up with and how much everything sucks now, you know, kind of thing and and he just went, you know, or something like that and he just went off and

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, and when in a direction that he shouldn't have gone on television, you know, like you don't tell your people, I think I saw John Muse pointed out on Twitter and and he put it so distinctly like you don't tell the people that are watching your show that what they're watching sucks you don't tell them that what they're watching isn't hot because the people that are watching and the people that bought tickets don't think that and you don't want to put that in their head even from a heel.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, and and that's the heat obviously and then and then all they've been doing ever since then is damage control They sent Cody out there to do damage colors.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They sent Sam punk out there on Monday to do damage control I I feel like I feel like both those promos were reactions other hell of a promo both of them.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I thought But I mean they wouldn't have been necessary and kill and I talked about it if Pat was a zero and punk was a 10 I mean it's still average though till five and that's that sucks

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[SPEAKER_01]: So here's something that is near and dear to your heart that the heat is on has pointed out, which is that the ratings were up.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and I'll bet you that was West Coast viewing that went up when they heard about Pat McAfee, you know, because that kind of fact things, you know, and again, going back to how they originally created the idea of

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[SPEAKER_01]: because they feared originally, refers to Tasmania that they weren't going to do very well.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They sent Hogan and Mr. T everywhere.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think they actually had to do something at Saturday Night Live because a host didn't do so.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I forget the store that they were on Saturday Night Live.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Or something and it was like a last minute thing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They were there because I mean, they were literally down the street from where the WrestleMania was going to be the next day.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And they only get a couple of skits and they didn't really, they didn't even really do anything.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like I remember they were on Fernando's hideaway and it was almost like a shoot.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, Hogan was laughing and can you imagine that they're doing comedy?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, he didn't have to.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He just had to be there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like they didn't really do any.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Suddenly, a lot was different back then.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And yeah, so they didn't even, you know, they did.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They basically, they're opening monologue was a, was a plug for Mania.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then they just threw them in a couple of skits where they were just kind of there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I've never gone back and watched it for whatever reason, I don't know.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I watched it live and at the time, I couldn't even get WrestleMania.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I was just wondering, what the hell is Hulk Hogan doing there?

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[SPEAKER_00]: We didn't even get WWF at the time in Canada and then I went back afterwards a couple of years later and watched it, and I probably maybe watched it one other time since.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Fernando's high-to-way one, that one gets replayed all the time because Billy Chrysler was awesome.

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[SPEAKER_01]: by the way, I want to shout out John from Memphis in the chat.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He wants to know if if I want Peter Cherry and I have to break this to John, I'm not going to Russell Mania Week in Vegas this year.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Decided to stay away last year was enough for me of this WWE machine live now for people who are going.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I hope you have a great time.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's my son have your moonshine gear.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, to tell John chair or peach.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, right now, John John, John, John's 28.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't even want to call him little anymore.

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[SPEAKER_00]: 28 years old, and it'll be his birthday on Thursday.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So Thursday is 16th.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, he can he'll have some moonshine with you.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The other thing about this, because somebody said in the chat, I think it's Fernando said that Pat McFey is not a needle mover to move tickets.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think he's out there to sell tickets.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They're beyond utilizing someone to sell the tickets because it's just too hard to create plans in the last week and a half in book of flight and book of hotel and then get tickets to the show.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But what I do think they're doing is they're like, hey, this is not paper view.

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[SPEAKER_01]: ESPN is now on a lot more cable systems than it was in the past.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And so let's just create some awareness of ESPN select.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I wonder, I don't, I haven't actually seen this.

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[SPEAKER_01]: If you pay, so you pay your 30 bucks,

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[SPEAKER_01]: And you basically get two shows.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know when I don't know if backlash is in this same month or not, but maybe you get three shows.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But like that's a pretty sweet deal if you're a WWE fan.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Is you pay for your one month of select if you don't have it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You get your two Russell Mania shows back to back.

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[SPEAKER_01]: it's a main 9 so yeah it would be in the same three and then you'll get you'll get back lash as well if you order you know at the right time so that they should be pushing that like that would be something I would be pushing which is hey if you don't have if you don't get it via your cable and you do want to invest the 30 bucks you're going to get three WWE shows and you know the the Russell man is going to be x y and z however they want to

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[SPEAKER_01]: is your vehicle to do that, though, I don't know if it's the right thing for him to be playing bad guy wrestler.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, you can do it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You can get guys on his show that'll, you know, kind of play that role and, you know, he's a smart guy.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So, you know, it's when it comes to business.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know about politics.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But when, you know, he can do it in a way that it'll be educating to the people that are watching.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, like, oh, I mean, you're watching on the SPN.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So you probably have the ability to get the SPN plus already.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But if you don't, you know, here's what's got to do.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So let's talk about the punk thing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: What you thought was a little reactionary.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I just thought it was like,

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[SPEAKER_01]: We are in, we are now in the business of just creating as much marketing and hype as humanly possible.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So let's actually get the guy who's really good at it and let him, let's unleash him.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I didn't even catch this until I read a recap.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He called Pat McAfee, Pat McAfee.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I missed that one.

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[SPEAKER_00]: No, he looked.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He mentioned it last night on the rap, too.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I missed it even when she was talking about it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like I was just kept saying it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I was like, I didn't really understand what she was saying until I saw it print like written.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And yeah, yeah, that was, look, punk, punk is the best guy in the sport.

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[SPEAKER_01]: at this shooty shoot stuff yeah he's got the pipe bomb that people believed at the time to be truthful and I was just going like

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[SPEAKER_01]: Is he really that good did you guys get fooled because you had mainstream media going like now I've seen wrestling before and I know a lot of it is fake, but that didn't seem fake to me so he's got that vibe and he's still today one of the best talkers in the game so for him to go out there and do what he did in 2026 and still Get people talking I thought was actually pretty brilliant now based on what you.

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[SPEAKER_01]: like or don't like about CM Punk.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe you didn't think the promo was all that good.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I looked at it from the perspective of we're trying to create awareness and I think he did a really good job.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He mentioned the rock.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm now if the rock is playing ball.

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[SPEAKER_01]: it would be nice for the rock to say something right he is on the board of directors um... you know he's taken a shot at roman and the usos uh... he took a shot at arie manual did not name him yeah i was i was confused because i i i i've seen all this stuff today about how we brought up arie and i don't remember that essentially he said

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[SPEAKER_01]: you're agent, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, Matt McAfee's agent and that's the idea.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think I knew that Ari was Pat McAfee's agent, so I didn't.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I didn't know who was talking about.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And this was part of the thing, which I was kind of intrigued about, which is, my, this is just me guessing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I would say 99% of WWE fans have no idea what Ari Emmanuel even looks like.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, I, yeah, I agree with that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I think even probably,

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[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe half maybe not quite half don't even know who our Emmanuel is, but alone what he looks like.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So that the heat is on what I was going to say next, which is Jeremy Piven.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, he's on on to Raj are he gold.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He was Ari if the based on our Emmanuel and that was what on to Raj was about.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So.

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[SPEAKER_01]: bringing Arya manual into this, who knows what their plans are for him?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Does he become, you know, is he the rock's final boss or is he the Vince McMahon standin at some point?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Who knows?

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't I think it would create a lot of hysteria.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It would create a lot of hype in a specific portion of pop culture.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know that it would necessarily create much for the current fan base, unless they understood the TKO piece of this.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So if he comes or if he doesn't, I'm not sure if it's that big of a deal, but it was interesting to hear the reference because

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[SPEAKER_01]: He is, you know, he's the mover checker like we think of Nick Khan as this like really powerful and savvy business guy and he very much is.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But like you're talking about Nick Khan at a different level with Ari, Emmanuel, and all of his, all the things that he's done in this, he's the final boss in TKO, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: And so, you know, it'll be interesting to see if they lean towards that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But here's my final question.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then, you know, we can talk a little bit more about punk, you can get your stuff in.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But, and then we can, you know, move on to the russ of anything.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But we're doing all of this stuff.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We're doing Pat McAfee at the last minute.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We're more mentioning, Ari, you know, we're bringing in an eye show speed.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, kind of late to the game, we have the rock.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Is the rock just being like, sorry guys, like you, you hurt my feelings last year, and I'm not, I'm still not, because I think you bring in one rock into this thing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And that is bigger than all of these other things that you've put together as far as creating awareness for this show.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, well, the rock, I mean, it, from what I've heard, he's, he's just not available like he's filming Jemonji and they've wrapped.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, did they?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, Jemonji wrapped.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, okay.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's okay.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I, I'd heard that, but I hadn't heard that they'd wrapped.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, I mean, maybe that's what this is all setting up.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, all these references can be put on the rock.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, as far as 98% of the people watching know, the rock is the guy, you know, that they're referencing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's, you know, they don't know who our Emmanuel is, but I mean, the rock is kind of playing a version of Vince McMahon and Ariya manual put together.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And so yeah, rock.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, he, he spends, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like that, that was spent on ballers.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That, you know, that was our Emmanuel, too.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, you know, in a in a in a different way.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So, you know, like you, you can play that role and people know him as that role.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So, and and nobody is better except maybe punk at, you know, doing that sort of thing to get people interested in blurring the lines, you know, of reality and stuff because when rock talks like you don't know what he's going to say and you know that he can say anything he wants.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And half of it's going to be K-Fabe and half of it's can also be K-Fabe, but in a different way.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Everything he says is promotion, but yeah, but it's like he can K-Fabe on a different level, because I mean, he's the legit final boss in a way.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I don't even know how much power he actually has in TKO, but he has a lot of influence.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Mama Rhodes.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I like Anthony's thing there like so Anthony says maybe the Clout their chasing is the rocks attention to get his involvement.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I just feel like you pay the dude so much money in the stock and he's got a contract and I'm sure that contract says,

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, when we when we throw up the sign, and we need you, like, you know, do your best to get here the rocks and well, and not only that, but is his stock is tied to the stock price.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So if he shows up and WrestleMania does big business, he's going to make a lot of money.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Either way, he'll make he'll probably get a payoff and he's going to make it on the back in.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I agree.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I just, it's just wild to me because, you know, Dave and I were talking on Friday before.

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[SPEAKER_01]: we heard it was McAfee and we were like okay who's the Randy guy and we both thought well if it's Dwayne then it's a big deal and if it's not then it's kind of a small deal.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Now McAfee I think is a little bit in the middle and McAfee doing the thing so that he can talk about it on the ESPN show I think is brilliant whether or not it's

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[SPEAKER_01]: harmful to the angle based on what he said it just leads me to believe that he's got to get his come up in because of Cody is the guy then.

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[SPEAKER_01]: you know, you beat up the guy who's saying bullshit, but then it's who helps and whatever.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I'd like if the payoff is worth it, I don't really think it's as bad, but if the payoff does not deliver, then it is probably pretty harmful, angle.

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[SPEAKER_00]: What if, I mean, you talk about like, oh, if the payoff is stone cold, giving Pat Mack to be a stunner and drinking beer over him and celebrating with Cody, what if that's followed up by stone cold, giving the stunner to the rock?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Now that would, and then, you know, maybe rock and stone cold next year at WrestleMania and Saudi Arabia, I have a, I have a, I have a theory about those guys.

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[SPEAKER_01]: My theory is if Austin knows the rock is there, he's not needed.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, because when he is needed and when his price goes up is when they don't have the

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I think Austin is really smart about that now I've never heard him talk about that really like they did do that one thing at WrestleMania 30 where Hulk Ogan called it the silver super dome the silver dome they did they were there together, but it's not like they they like they were friends right when they had 32 as well.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't they weren't together though.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They were on the same show, but I don't think they were together.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They didn't seem to see it anywhere like three of them were all out there at the same time.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And so it was it was like folly seen in rock or am I remembering folly Sean folly Sean Michaels and Austin.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, okay.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They came out to save the new day.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Got you.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, Rod and then we had the match on the internet for something.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[UNKNOWN]: So.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so I think, you know, in Austin knows his price, he knows his value, and he also knows that if the rock is there, then he may have to take a second billing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I don't think that he sees himself like that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think he sees himself as the top guy when he was there.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And the top guy who rock was never on top of him.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, I think he sees it that way now.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But what he would he come in if the payoff was him stunnering rock.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think he probably would.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, he was supposed to remember what the Cody, the Cody Mania.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's true.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's true.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, and that's the other thing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I thought about that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, oh my god, I mean, you thought jelly roll.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, if he was the one that what if it was undertaken, I think you'd think you'd hate that even more.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It would be like a tie, I was always so proud of that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So, okay, so now let's, you know, I want to let you get your thoughts on the punk thing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, did you think that it was there?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, do you think there was any insider

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[SPEAKER_01]: isms in there that's supposed to lead us to believe that other things are involved.

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[SPEAKER_00]: No, I mean, the only thing that I was curious about was was the thing at the end where you pushed about the ticket prices and you know, TKL, lower the ticket prices.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I thought that was really interesting because that's the kind of thing where the fans might pick up on it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then if they do lower the ticket prices and if they do

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[SPEAKER_00]: even though it was they were played like a fiddle.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And the funny thing is is when social media, when WWE social media is airing clips of the punk interview, they're editing out the part about lowering the ticket prices.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So they want us to forget that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But nobody's forgetting that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, because that was to me that was the big thing like that was I mean that's his character the voice of the voiceless right like going back 15 years and him you know like going out there and saying like hey these people want to go to WrestleMania they can't afford it lower the damn ticket prices so we can these people these great people can go.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, it was, it was beautiful.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I love the promo.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I, I, I just thought it was brilliant.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I didn't think, I didn't think for one second, you know, he was shooting at all.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But he was getting a lot off his chest.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm sure every singer was approved ahead of time.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't have to worry about burning their bridge because I know how to swim.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That was perfect, you know, like he was and the best part about it is we got one more week.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I said with Brock and Oba, like that's it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't want to see any more.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They peeked like that's just going to be in you.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But I want to see what Roman has to answer because I think Roman can give as good as he took and and I'm looking forward to Roman's rebuttal next week.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So Fernando says maybe Jericho's supposed to be on the phone originally, but they had to pivot last minute to McVee.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I've vetted this one.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you know, I, I,

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't often text Dave over the weekend about stuff, but that one had me intrigued.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I was like, okay, is Pat McFee a plan A or see a plan B?

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[SPEAKER_01]: And so Dave didn't know for sure, but he did his own research and he did his own reporting.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And as far as Dave said, he says Pat McFee is a plan A.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So that led to the story of Ari manual wanting Pat McFee to be involved, which if that is, I'm assuming that is true.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then if that is true, for punk, knowing the zeitgeist of the internet and how the internet works, punk and Triple H going like, it's out there, it may as well use it, like go for it, you know, mention it and get people talking even more.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I think I think, um,

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, I just want to see what their big picture idea is, I like the pieces.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I didn't like McAfee's promo.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I thought Punk's promo was brilliant and, um, and then now we just got to see what what the, the payoff is at WrestleMania.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I'll, I'll hold off until then to really critique what they're doing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But if, I will say that if, if, if McAfee, if this, McAfee thing extends a little while, um,

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[SPEAKER_01]: Hmm, not their finest creative work at all.

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[SPEAKER_00]: No, I think this should wrap up at me.

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[SPEAKER_00]: However, however it wraps up and whether that's Cody beating Randy and then being a baby face going, or maybe Randy wins and then Cody has to chase the title again.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And they could do some good business doing that, too.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But I don't think Pat McFeed's not going to be a TV every week, so Randy needs to keep the heat somehow.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I don't know how he's going to do that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: All right, let's talk about the Knights of Russell Mania here.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They sent the cards and they mentioned them.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And so night one is the vision, and I show speed versus the Uso's and LA night.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I really don't like this match.

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[SPEAKER_01]: However, I'm intrigued with I show speed to see

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[SPEAKER_01]: if he actually can do stuff because he's he did that cool leapfrog over early night.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He's actually much more muscular than the last time we saw him when Braun breaker nearly ended his life in the royal rumble one of the last times.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I kind of wonder if he's going to surprise us with what he does now.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Here's the problem.

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[SPEAKER_01]: is if he is already going toe to toe with LA night and the usos, that is not necessarily how you book these celebrity guys.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like they, you know, they kind of have to pay their dues a little bit.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But for him to get a surprise win in that match would kind of be interesting.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then I wonder to take it to the next level, does he want to follow in Logan Paul's footsteps and actually do this more often?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Because he's obviously the guy's got charisma.

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[SPEAKER_01]: got weird facials and he's kind of a little over the top, but he's also been in front of a camera for pretty much his entire life because he's, you know, that's how he got so famous on YouTube.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So, you know, I think it's, I think it's smart as a match.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't really care about this one too much.

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[SPEAKER_00]: No, I don't either.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think we're probably going to see Dan Housing in some way.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Tila had an interesting idea last night on the rap, and I think it's actually what's going to happen is, I show speed is going to end up turning on Logan and costing that team the win, which will end up setting up a new SOS title match, you know, probably on the RAW after Mania.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then I show speed leads as a baby face with Dan Housing Curse is lifted.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Everybody's happy.

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[SPEAKER_01]: All right, other matches, Jacob Fattu and Drew McIntyre, which I'm really intrigued about.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I just hope it doesn't get lost in the shuffle.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I hope it bleeds into the ESPN Plus portion.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's what I'm hoping is, you know, like, is the second match and then they're still going.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And it's like, oh, if you want to see the finish, you've got to log onto ESPN Plus.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Stephanie Vickier and live Morgan.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They had a terrible accident.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, if Morgan and Rocks and Perez bonking heads, and I knew it had happened.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And so I was waiting for it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then I saw it this morning.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It was still so alarming, just like the clunking of their hands.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, like I heard about the CV.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And yeah, and because I was watching, that's only about a half hour behind.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I saw a comment about the TV, and I didn't even realize.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And it was so jarring because they're in the middle of a promo and then all of a sudden, she just attacks and you never see that in WWE.

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[SPEAKER_00]: like you know these these segments are very scheduled and things happen in a specific way and in this case it was just this whirling dervish ran into the screen and like you said bonk their heads together and the sound was and yeah you saw the live she's got this big hematome on the she looks like

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[SPEAKER_00]: And you get, you had a hope for both of them that, yeah, from, yeah, for a concussion and rock that is just back from injury, which, you know, and then yeah, and then you know, and I wonder, you know, if if she can't go, like maybe that's maybe, you know, and Oscar is like the backup.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Mm-hmm, you know, they throw them both in the match.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You could do, that's three way, you know, like, or or just do the singles match and then postpone the world time match.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I also wonder what happens if the bellows can't go.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, I mean, you could just do a three way.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You could.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you still want to get you on the show somehow.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I mean, you do and I mean, I, you know, and I think that idea that I had for the EO and the surprise partners out the window because doesn't look like souls going anywhere in an XT right now.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, I mean, maybe, you know, maybe cookie warriors put them in there and then, you know, that's how you get EO she shows up and gets involved in that match somehow.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But

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[SPEAKER_01]: Uh, and then also AJ Lee and Becky Lynch, so um, loved what they didn't raw with these two.

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[SPEAKER_01]: No, it was fine.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And this is also getting a little loss in the shuffle.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And this is what happens when you're actually have angles for 13 matches on the show.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Is this the TV is, uh, it's so.

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[SPEAKER_01]: a lot of stuff is similar because they have their go to's for certain things and then a lot of segments are kind of buried a little bit like because I thought like the Becky Lynch and AJ Lee segment.

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[SPEAKER_00]: if this was like last summer it would have been like one of the main event segments on the show and on this one it was like yeah yeah and that is the problem and and it's I mean it's kind of what we'll talk about later when we talk about a w2 it's like when you have like 14 matches I mean how much can you actually promote all of them?

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[SPEAKER_00]: And even when you talk about this WrestleMania build, like when you talk about, you know, like all these cards thrown together and, you know, not much build and blah blah, it's like, well, yeah, like because you got 16 matches or whatever it is between two nights on a normal show, it's four or five.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So you spend a month building four or five matches.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It feels yeah, you know, it feels like a lot and here it's like, oh, yeah, you got maybe three segments, you know, like Seth and good through, you know, is going to have like one segment on three separate shows and that's it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's all the build we get and, you know, and yeah, so that feels starting together, but in reality, it's, you know, it's like it's no more or less than anything else really.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then the tag match here saysable forces against Charlotte and Alexa against Bailey and Lyra against the Bella twins.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So three women's matches out of the seven on night one.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And there's only one women's match scheduled for night two right now, though, I think people think Ioannosica could be added tonight too.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, because there's one less match on night two as well.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So three of the, I don't know, three of maybe the six, five or six more interesting matches, you know, on this card or on this show.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But it doesn't have that Brock Lesnar, no buffet me and see him punk in Roman reigns.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's kind of interesting that they didn't split those two matches up because they are both on night two.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It would have been nice to have Oba and Brock on night one and maybe you move Seth and in Gunther to night two.

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[SPEAKER_00]: After one day, I saw a lot of people wanting Oba and Brock to headline one of the nights.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Also, totally.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, it makes sense.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But then is that a tell that the Cody thing isn't working as it's as well.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And but I also, I think that there was that was never going to happen.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think that ESPN probably, when they said, okay, we're going to put one hour of WrestleMania on ESPN, we want the Brock

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like I'm yeah, but I'm I can't guarantee that's what happened, but that's exactly what I felt ever since the day that was announced.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So all right, night two, we'll we mentioned open Brock, Penta Javon, Dragon Lee, JD Macdonna, Rusev, Ray Mysterio.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And no, no, no Phoenix, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no

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[SPEAKER_00]: And Americano is doing a deal like where he's trying to get into the match on social media.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So, I mean, I mean, there's no reason they couldn't add, you know, those two guys.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think it would make the match better if they did, but, you know,

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like Americano, he's been like, he's like a low-key MVP of this company.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like he's on frickin' every show, you know, including AAA, NXT, RAW.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, he deserves, you know, I hate deserves to be on mania, but frickin' that guy deserves to be on mania.

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[SPEAKER_01]: uh... jake cargill and re-ripply samy zane and trick Williams i i loved what they did with jayden rea on uh... on robbers i thought that was the best thing they've done uh... in the bill so yeah uh... demon fin baller against the right uh... dominek yeah they're now sat on right woulder this is yeah kind of weird yeah

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I don't know, night two, probably a little bit more star power, but I think some of the main matches, you know, night one is right there with them.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think if you flipped over and Brock tonight one, I think I would probably say night one would be the one I'm most interested in, but, you know, you got to balance the cards.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You want them both to be equal of value and.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I, a Jeremy and I are going to do the recap of night one.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So Saturday night after night one, Jeremy and I will do the the post game show.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then on Sunday, Keline Scott will do the post game show.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So we're going to have our own battle.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You can vote to see who had the better show.

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[SPEAKER_00]: If I, if I could only go to one and I'm going to be in Vegas and you know, it's a possibility.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's a lot of money.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think I would want to go to night two.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I think that's probably the right move.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, like I do like night one, you know, there's matches on there, but it's not like they're all matches.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I would have no problem just watching on TV whereas I feel like I wanna be there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I wanna be there for Brock and Oba.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And you know, the punk and Roman, I feel like that's gonna be a really, you know, something's gonna happen.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know what.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But I don't think it's just going to just kind of imagine it's over.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, see ya.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, like I feel like there's going to be a big angle in some way.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, there's got to be crazy running.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And yeah, yeah, and possible turn or at least a tease of a turn and all.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And punk is honestly one of my favorites, you know, on the mic in the ring right now.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So even though you got mad at you on Twitter.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I mean, that that was still broke.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, I don't know, like, still broke.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But I like to see a punk, you know a lot, so I can separate the artists from the art.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, you know this story.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think you know the story because I've told it before, but just for just in case people who are listening never heard this one I took my kids to WrestleMania 26

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[SPEAKER_01]: And so that was in Arizona, so it's close to Phoenix.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's, I forget, I forget the actual city where the Cardinals play.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And so we're in line at Baby's steak and lemonade.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Do you remember the pro wrestling manager?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Armando, Alejandro, is Trada.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So he had a restaurant, yeah, Baby's steak and lemonade.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So obviously all kinds of wrestling fans were there.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And so I took my kids and we're in line.

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[SPEAKER_01]: and there was a woman there who was there with some friends, but she wasn't there for WrestleMania.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And she goes, you know, I just overheard her talking and she was like,

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[SPEAKER_01]: I wonder if fills here, and I was like, she must be talking about punk, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, who would other fill would be here for this time frame?

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I think the match was a punk and Ray Mysterio, I think, was was the match that we yeah, Master think there, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So,

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[SPEAKER_01]: She just keeps going, wow, I wonder fills her.

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[SPEAKER_01]: What are fills here?

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[SPEAKER_01]: And so then I we just struck up a conversation and she's like, yeah, I was his senior prom date.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, and, and I was like, no way.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I was like, so you must be here for WrestleMania.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And she's like, no, I'm just in town because of a wedding or something.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's like, oh, that's crazy.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, what crazy timing that is.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But I just, over time, you know, she must have said it like three or four times.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I wonder if Phil is here.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I had to kind of sneak up and say, yeah, he is here.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He's wrestling, but that was so funny.

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[SPEAKER_01]: His senior prom date, I chatted with her for a rest of me in 26 weekend.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So, okay.

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[UNKNOWN]: So,

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[SPEAKER_01]: We will not have a show next week because you are going to be heading to Vegas.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I am going to be on vacation on my own.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm not going to be in Vegas.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So we're not going to be able to cross it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I could have done it because I don't leave till like very early on Thursday, but it'll be nice because I'm doing four shows in a row this week.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So it'll be nice.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, right next week.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, because I don't get back until Thursday.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So if we tried to do it Thursday, you were already to be gone.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So anyways, point being that the next time we talk about this show, it'll it'll be the aftermath of WrestleMania on.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so we can we talk about we can talk about well, Vince coming back.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We can talk.

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[SPEAKER_01]: All right.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Don't say that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Don't put that into the into the ethers there.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I remember some on three straight shows.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Then in reference, and by name though, did they, it was crazy, it was crazy, yeah, weird.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think punk, he was like, weird old man.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that's what he said, you ate dog food for a weird old man.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, what's what he said?

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, I've heard this from a couple different people.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm just going to throw this out here now.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I think other people have said it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So we're not, we're not, you know, just saying this and no one has said it before.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Janelle Grant has to go to arbitration for this thing with Vince, that he will be celebrated if they actually have a Saudi Arabia WrestleMania.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That is the time when you bring him out for the Hall of Fame.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's the time.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I'm fully convinced of that, but I will say I read Dave's

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[SPEAKER_00]: that is not an easy read and there's a lot of stuff in there that I had not heard like because I never read the original lawsuit so the lot of stuff involving Brock I didn't know about and I mean and it's still one person's accusation but if even like some of it is true

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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, like I said, on Wrestling Observer Radio is we can keep saying that it's only one person side.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We haven't heard Vince aside, but it's the one person who kept her text messages and it's decided to destroy his phone.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And that tells us something there and not only that, but I mean, it's like, you know, the Vince lawyers, they're not even really,

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[SPEAKER_00]: They're even fighting those accusations.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They're like, they're trying to get our own technicalities.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, they don't believe that they don't believe that the judge is going to ruin her face.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, like, say, oh, yeah, she signed and she took the money and, you know, blah, blah, blah, it's like, you know, it's almost like they're trying to brush everything that, you know, she's alleging under the rug.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Man, it's horrifying like that stuff.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's oh my god.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean Nick Nick Connace and that law in that piece is and I mean, and you know, I'm reading this and I'm like, okay, what exactly?

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[SPEAKER_00]: And as far as Nick goes, I almost got the impression is like, I don't want to know, I mean, I know stuff's going on.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't really want to know what it is, you know, and and that's that, but if, but if he even has any in the inkling or any small proof that there is wrongdoing, it is his right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, wrongdoing is, I mean, wrongdoing is having an affair with an underling.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's wrongdoing enough.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And as far as Nick's concerned, that's, you know, regardless of whether it's consensual or what he's doing and all that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, obviously, I got to think like, there's no way he knew if that stuff was actually going on that he knew that it was going on.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, there's no way, like, I don't think I got wrong, but I mean, you know, we do say he's like the savvy as son of a

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[SPEAKER_01]: He's been around long enough to see where it was happening.

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[SPEAKER_01]: True.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Constantly with a lot of these guys who are no longer here.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They were in a more.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, yeah, that could be that, too.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's like maybe he's just saying, well, he's hanging himself.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And you know, Julie, Julie Chen's husband.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: he and this is I read this in a book so it's based on the book's reporting.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He had an office that he could lock the doors from a remote control and from the same remote control could whatever the blinds or the curtains or whatever so he could be like like he and he would do that when people like wind wind would come in.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Then he would hit the button and then on like so that stuff happened But yeah, Nick Con does is pretty savvy guys.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'd be surprised if he didn't know something was going on, but That yeah, that that is that is what People believe could happen for the venting in and you know at that point No matter how much content I do for this for our channel and for resting observer

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[SPEAKER_01]: That might be a time to take a break if if something like that happens because it's just, you know, then you're talking about your own went from WWE or wrestling in general.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I would have to I would have to decide what it's hard because if if you just say WWE then people Oh, yeah, you're in a WWE home or a little bit easier.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So it's almost easier just to say no to all wrestling You know like I mean I have so many other things that I want to cover yeah, I like if I stop watching wrestling my god I could watch probably you know a thousand movies a year Yeah, exactly.

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[SPEAKER_01]: All right.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Let's move on to the A. W. Talk that we want to talk about which is

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[SPEAKER_01]: and MJF, now before the television, before these weeks since the last paper view, I thought, oh, Meg, I was like, okay, this Omega run is gonna be hot, like people really want it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then we saw the television, and we saw these,

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[SPEAKER_01]: Kenny Omega half serious interviews and now I'm fully against him winning the title like I just think it'd be the wrong thing If he was a version of the Kenny Omega that we have seen of late or from the the New Japan match with Gabe kid like if it was like that version of Kenny Omega I would so be for him to beat MJF right now, but I just don't see it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't see the fire in him

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[SPEAKER_01]: he's he's kind of joking around a little bit too much for my taste.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't like the angles that they've been doing, you know, going back to the diverticulitis stuff.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then on the same show, the other guys got the bad neck and he's going to die like they're leaning way too much into that so can we we talked about WWE kind of like a lot of their angles look alike like.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Damn near on the same show.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We have the same exact angle when it comes to these guys risking their lives just to wrestle a match So And some of this is also that MJF is just cooking.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think he's cooking man.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think he's just doing a fantastic job If the idea is to build will for him and look by the time they get to this will match at all in maybe will will be hot and on fire

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[SPEAKER_01]: But I would peg anybody in their company right now as a peg below what MJF is doing as far as creating interest for.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Their shows as the the right champion like he's ticking all of the boxes right now and I just don't think you take a belt off guy like that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: No, and he's even going above and beyond like he's doing Indies and, you know, defending the title outside the company and he's on on social media, but not in a way, you know, like he's not like ricochet like he knows, you know, how to play that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, no, I, I've gone back and forth on this, like I've, you know, as soon as they announced that it was going to be the Kenny Omega, you know, and Kenny Omega is going to be smarter by thought, okay, Kenny's actually going to win.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's going to beat, you know, he's going to beat MJF at Dynasty and then he's going to defend against will.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And what convinced me that was people telling me, you know, Tony Khan, he's all into these dream matches.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And he wants to have Omega and Osprey in London.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The third time, first time in the UK, once in Japan, once in North America, now it's going to be in the UK.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, like, it's a perfect trilogy and Tony Kong loves that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And that was a compelling argument to me.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But after this past week's television, I, I changed my mind.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I, I, I feel like MJF's going to win and it's Ospreys.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm thinking about what is going to be the best television leading up to all in.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And it's not even close, like MJF and Osprey, you know, like in a feud and doing promos and matches to build to that match will be so much more compelling than Omega and Osprey, which I don't even know what they could say to each other.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, I like you.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I like you more.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, like I, you know, neither one is going to turn and well, I think that I think the thing they would do is they would make sure that we all remember the two matches that they had.

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[SPEAKER_01]: and then it would literally be about who's the best and when you can do who's the best and there's edge to it and Omega and Osprey are both invested in this fictional thing of who's the best in this fake pro wrestling match.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think it can work.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Now, will it work as good as

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, cut and crazy promels on them and just being a heal that I don't know.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I would you ask to do that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, you don't even need the belt then.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, which sounds weird if you talk about who's the best, but it's very similar then to Omega or Cata last last year.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think it was.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, when they had their match, and it was basically about, but then even then they didn't put a mega on the stretcher in that angle.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, they finally did, but when it started, it was who's the best.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like they, they are the video package.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They showed the highlights of their four matches, and they told you, you know, this is the best series, and they even shook hands.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then he joined the Calis family.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And you know, so they still felt the need to do that and I don't think they would do that with a Megan Osprey because I don't think they want either one of them training heels.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, it makes more sense to have it BMJF and then even then like I think you get to London and obviously right now it feels like a Kate Osprey's got a win, but there's a lot of time between now and then and you got you know is Osprey's body going to hold up.

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[SPEAKER_00]: is mjf going to keep this momentum going, you know, is this the last time you're going to try to run Wembley?

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[SPEAKER_00]: If that's the case, then you don't even have to have a spray win, you know, because you're not coming back.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, you know, I mean, obviously, I think about how Tony Consey's wrestling though.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's true.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I mean, ideally you want to do that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like don't get me wrong, but if it doesn't make sense on the day, you know, if you want, if you think you can get another six months out of MJF and then maybe it's like a hangman coming back, you know, and doing a match where it's not for the title, you know, and then he beats them and then MJF demands, I wanted to defend the title against you and, you know, like something like that is how you get out of that step.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, and, and, and, and entertainment's like, no, I'm not, I told you I wasn't every but I'll beat you.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, I'll, I'll show you that I'm the best, your title's worthless, but, you know, like I, you know, I'm the better man because I beat you, you know, and then it's like, why I have to defend the title against you, you know, kind of thing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think that's how eventually they get out of it, but that's a whole different discussion.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, I do think though Omega and and and I mean, uh, yeah, Omega and MJF is uh, it's a solid main event for a B show and I think it's going to have a lot of interest, um, especially in Canada.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think a lot of people think Omega is going to win Omega's like my favorite guy of the last, you know, seven or eight years.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I hate to say that about him, but I just haven't seen it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I haven't seen that and maybe to him, he's like,

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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, shoot, you know, the the the last time between the the paper for you before you had like two and a half months to get your stuff right and then you know for us we got like three weeks to do something so whatever, but I didn't I didn't see like and maybe that's a tell right maybe it's a little bit of a tell that he's not he doesn't seem to be the the right.

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[SPEAKER_01]: version of Kenny Omega who's going to then win the championship.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I may, I may be seeing these are like two or probably two of my top five.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I would put punk in there and Osprey and maybe, you know, like, uh,

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't even know.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Those four for sure, like, you know, coding maybe.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, if we're going back to like the last seven or eight years.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So, um, two of those guys, I mean, to me, that's a match.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, I've got a W plus.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So, or my W, whatever it's called now.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So, I mean, I don't have to pay for it, but this is one I would gladly fork over my money for.

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[SPEAKER_01]: All right.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So, so far, now we are recording this before Dynamite.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: There are only,

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[SPEAKER_01]: five paper view matches.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We have FTR versus Copeland and Cage.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I like, just said everything that they've done with this program.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Moxley against Osprey, now that now this is for the continental championship, which means 20 minute time limit, but it is also smart on the Osprey side as a baby face so that the the team, the deathwriters do not interfere in this match.

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[SPEAKER_01]: uh... on drottie against arby allen i i'm with on dry day right now i think derby allen is called the dice but he's gonna do crazy shit it's gonna trend on twitter because he's gonna do something crazy he's probably gonna win this match i wouldn't do that because i think on drottie is just kind of the one going up into the right and derby is the one who's a little cold but maybe that maybe they want derby to be hotter and and he could get there by by beating

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[SPEAKER_01]: On Draw Day, we mentioned MJF, Kenny Omega, and then TechLover's is Jamie Hater, which is like sneakily like my favorite build of like, oh, I like to fight.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I want to beat you up and let's have a match.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I was like, yeah, let's do it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, that's okay.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's a card right there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't have any more Tony.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, so we'll end with this because MJF did talk about this recently.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He talked about having to be in the main event of a show that had a ton of matches and by the time it gets to his match and the crowd has been sitting on their hand, you know, sitting down for four hours five hours and then having to get them back up and get them back into the match that is kind of like a thing that he really prides himself in so.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The problem with this show.

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[SPEAKER_01]: is going to be.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I think there are some stems of things that we know might yeah, I mean, but I think I think I could tell you at least two matches that are coming based on television, but they're going to feel like they're added at the last minute to make to, you know, to kind of fill out a 13 match card or whatever.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But I mean, okay, those two may be not, but when they do like a 10 man match for

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[SPEAKER_00]: That look if that put if that's on the zero hour, then I don't have no, no, no, there's going to be a match like that on the main card.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I guarantee it like they're going to do something like that because, you know, there's too many people that aren't on this card that he wants to get on the card.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So you're going to have a match like that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, sounds like Kyle O'Reilly is not going to be on the show.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Kyle Fletcher, I mean, I guess, all right, Kyle Fletcher.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We know Kyle O'Reilly on the show, but I mean, you got, you know, you got Brody King, you got O'Cotta, you've got the young bucks.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, there's a bandito.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, there's a lot of guys and I could see Tony just throwing a bunch of them in the same match and saying, you know, here we go, there's probably 15 cows family members that don't have a match.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So the Brody King got pulled out of the match for tomorrow.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, really?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Replaced with Mandito.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it says for personal reason, somebody somebody mentioned that they heard a rumor that maybe someone very close to him passed away possibly or something.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I hope that's not true.

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[SPEAKER_00]: because I was kind of expecting them to do an Ocaro Brody King match coming off of that six man, you know, and you know, it could be a title defense.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And that would, to me, that would make sense because you've been pushing both guys and we're probably going to get a Willow TBS title defense, you know, and that's to me, that's, I mean, yes, it's thrown in, but it's also consistent with the television.

01:00:06.335 --> 01:00:09.259
[SPEAKER_00]: So if Willow's going to have another open title defense, that's fine.

01:00:09.339 --> 01:00:11.082
[SPEAKER_00]: Like you can put that on the paper view.

01:00:11.062 --> 01:00:19.073
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, but I mean, they're going to do some sort of random, you know, eight man, six man, whatever, that is, you know, it's just there to fill out the card.

01:00:19.774 --> 01:00:22.077
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, hurt business, like they're probably going to be on the card, right?

01:00:22.417 --> 01:00:24.901
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, they didn't just put them on TV for no reason.

01:00:25.061 --> 01:00:26.583
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, they may be there.

01:00:26.903 --> 01:00:27.805
[SPEAKER_01]: They may show up.

01:00:28.045 --> 01:00:32.291
[SPEAKER_01]: They MVP kind of announced that they're back and that they're trying to add a fourth member.

01:00:32.331 --> 01:00:34.774
[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe they add their fourth guy on that show.

01:00:34.754 --> 01:00:39.300
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, Kevin Knight, you know, a lot of people think he might be him, but he's not on the card.

01:00:40.241 --> 01:00:42.184
[SPEAKER_00]: Speedball is on the card, Mr. Co.

01:00:42.384 --> 01:00:44.187
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, yeah, you probably get a trio's title match.

01:00:44.828 --> 01:00:48.593
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, probably them against the, you know, three guys in the Don Cals family.

01:00:49.193 --> 01:00:50.035
[SPEAKER_00]: You know what, I would do.

01:00:50.155 --> 01:00:51.296
[SPEAKER_01]: I wouldn't do Kevin Knight.

01:00:52.278 --> 01:00:53.019
[SPEAKER_01]: I would Zag.

01:00:53.139 --> 01:00:55.201
[SPEAKER_01]: I would do like what they did with Owen Hart.

01:00:55.882 --> 01:00:58.766
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, and was the donation.

01:00:59.087 --> 01:01:02.331
[SPEAKER_01]: Everyone, when they added Owen Hart to the nation.

01:01:02.783 --> 01:01:26.479
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that a white guy, by the way, yeah, you know, just change it up speed up not the right I don't think he talks well enough and plus if he's a heal and he's still doing all the baby face moves it wouldn't really match up for me, but there's gotta be somebody who would be good and and I don't think they'll do it because I think they wanted to be a baby face, but Brody King.

01:01:27.252 --> 01:01:28.013
[SPEAKER_00]: he'd be awesome.

01:01:28.493 --> 01:01:46.235
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, because he would have more of an edge and that, but, you know, John, John, the rock is a little hard on Brody King because he's like, you got this big nasty dude, and all he wants to do is do flips into the corner, like, you know, he wants him to be nasty and mean, and that he would be a nasty or a meaner guy, but he's also the people's champion right now.

01:01:46.375 --> 01:01:56.787
[SPEAKER_00]: Or, you know, what you could do, and again, not doing the own hard thing, but you could

01:01:56.767 --> 01:01:58.109
[SPEAKER_00]: You would have to be the lead, though.

01:01:58.689 --> 01:01:59.190
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that's fine.

01:01:59.210 --> 01:02:00.151
[SPEAKER_00]: You would have to be the top dog.

01:02:00.452 --> 01:02:00.852
[SPEAKER_00]: That's fine.

01:02:01.773 --> 01:02:03.796
[SPEAKER_00]: And I don't think, I don't think you can be the top.

01:02:03.816 --> 01:02:06.199
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think, I don't think, I don't think she'll be, you can wrap, though.

01:02:06.459 --> 01:02:10.924
[SPEAKER_01]: You'd have to go back to the, to the, what was it, what was it, what were they called the NXT?

01:02:10.944 --> 01:02:12.206
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, God, I can't remember.

01:02:12.566 --> 01:02:15.590
[SPEAKER_01]: The hit, the hit, hit row, hit row, hit row.

01:02:15.931 --> 01:02:25.963
[SPEAKER_01]: Remember, like, face, face, face, face, face, face, face, face, face, face, face, face, face, face, face, face, face, face, face, face, face, face, face, face, face, face, face, face, face, face, face, face, face, face, face, face, face

01:02:25.943 --> 01:02:29.948
[SPEAKER_01]: But I would hope that they would tease it a little bit, you know, she's a giant star.

01:02:29.968 --> 01:02:35.795
[SPEAKER_01]: You don't just, you know, it makes some money off of her coming back instead of just having her show up as a surprise.

01:02:36.315 --> 01:02:40.120
[SPEAKER_00]: In less the strategy now is, you know, we do our surprises at the pay previews.

01:02:40.140 --> 01:02:47.188
[SPEAKER_00]: So you pay your money and you get to see that, you know, if Tony does that enough months in a row, then you start to think, okay, I can't miss his pay preview.

01:02:47.228 --> 01:02:48.450
[SPEAKER_00]: You're last time it's our Ronda.

01:02:48.470 --> 01:02:49.131
[SPEAKER_00]: I got candy.

01:02:49.471 --> 01:02:50.632
[SPEAKER_00]: I got a lot.

01:02:50.693 --> 01:02:51.994
[SPEAKER_01]: And you don't follow up on Ronda.

01:02:52.014 --> 01:02:55.258
[SPEAKER_00]: So it feels

01:02:55.238 --> 01:03:00.747
[SPEAKER_00]: well that I don't I don't know how much of that was because of the Tony injury or how much that was just ronda.

01:03:01.228 --> 01:03:02.430
[SPEAKER_00]: Hey, can I could be on the show tonight?

01:03:02.851 --> 01:03:03.412
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, okay.

01:03:04.093 --> 01:03:06.256
[SPEAKER_00]: And then, you know, it's like, what's up next?

01:03:06.397 --> 01:03:10.584
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.

01:03:10.604 --> 01:03:10.884
[SPEAKER_01]: All right.

01:03:10.904 --> 01:03:19.238
[SPEAKER_01]: So this weekend, yeah, I think Jeremy

01:03:19.336 --> 01:03:24.642
[SPEAKER_01]: But he's trying to bring, oh, Kevin Eley back, help him with the AEW post game show.

01:03:24.722 --> 01:03:31.088
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't want to say that that's definitely going to happen because Kevin still has a pretty tough schedule.

01:03:31.168 --> 01:03:32.089
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

01:03:32.310 --> 01:03:33.551
[SPEAKER_01]: But I know that's the hope.

01:03:33.911 --> 01:03:39.077
[SPEAKER_01]: And, you know, for folks who don't know, Kevin used to host co-host the boom.

01:03:39.757 --> 01:03:40.478
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

01:03:40.498 --> 01:03:43.401
[SPEAKER_01]: And they were the AEW show on this network.

01:03:43.421 --> 01:03:44.162
[SPEAKER_01]: But,

01:03:44.682 --> 01:03:51.292
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, the AEW weekly show you guys have always been the dynamite show, the dynamite show, dynamite show needs its own show.

01:03:52.855 --> 01:03:58.684
[SPEAKER_01]: So I think Jeremy is going to be available to do that this weekend, hopefully it's with Kevin.

01:03:58.724 --> 01:03:59.946
[SPEAKER_01]: If not, we'll be with somebody else.

01:04:00.607 --> 01:04:03.391
[SPEAKER_01]: Usually he and I do the AEW shows the last two AEW shows.

01:04:03.411 --> 01:04:06.496
[SPEAKER_01]: I've just been out of town and I've had to watch them super late, so I can't do it.

01:04:06.556 --> 01:04:09.260
[SPEAKER_00]: But I'm going to try and watch it, like close to life.

01:04:09.280 --> 01:04:11.263
[SPEAKER_00]: And I think I'll be able to this weekend.

01:04:11.497 --> 01:04:28.982
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and then Jeremy and I will be back the following weekend for WrestleMania night one and we'll do the WWE post game show is a couple of weeks coming So for Thursday, like I said, you and I are going to be doing the fight game podcast live on the F4 W YouTube channel

01:04:29.688 --> 01:04:34.917
[SPEAKER_01]: And in doing that show, John and I have been doing our observe this segment.

01:04:35.538 --> 01:04:42.812
[SPEAKER_01]: And we're talking about WWF, Crocket, Mid-South from 1985.

01:04:43.833 --> 01:04:45.637
[SPEAKER_01]: But we're going to put a pause on 1985.

01:04:45.997 --> 01:04:53.130
[SPEAKER_01]: And you and I, we're going to go over the time frame around WrestleMania 2000, mostly because you're just doing your own.

01:04:53.110 --> 01:05:05.470
[SPEAKER_01]: research on that timeframe with with your observer book reading and so it's like, if you're in that space, then I'll just read days review of that show and then I'll watch it in the background.

01:05:05.490 --> 01:05:06.692
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not watching it too closely though.

01:05:06.712 --> 01:05:11.841
[SPEAKER_01]: I just did see that triple ladder match, which is pretty spot heavy.

01:05:11.861 --> 01:05:16.789
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, it's it's very it's like I wonder

01:05:17.731 --> 01:05:30.771
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, the people who talk about a, w just being flips and platforms and stunts, if they really watch that, it's not far off from that, but it hadn't been done an overkill at the time.

01:05:30.851 --> 01:05:33.416
[SPEAKER_01]: So it, it, it was special back then.

01:05:33.816 --> 01:05:41.608
[SPEAKER_01]: And then they would actually do a better version of that show of that match with the TLC at Summerslam, the following year, or that same year.

01:05:41.668 --> 01:05:44.633
[SPEAKER_01]: And then the following year, WrestleMania redo it.

01:05:45.102 --> 01:06:12.527
[SPEAKER_01]: We're going to recap Russell made 2000 it is back like there's like near naked women on this show like it's wild crash Holly and Taz and Bob Holly screw up a spot in in a hardcore battle royal match and Jim Ross is trying to like make this thing makes sense and he can't figure it out and they keep doing the replay for some reason like this shows.

01:06:12.507 --> 01:06:13.388
[SPEAKER_01]: not great.

01:06:14.170 --> 01:06:15.812
[SPEAKER_01]: And so we'll talk about that.

01:06:15.892 --> 01:06:21.000
[SPEAKER_01]: So we'll preview a dynasty in full, because we'll have the full card, hopefully by then.

01:06:21.041 --> 01:06:26.669
[SPEAKER_01]: And we, you know, if there's anything else that comes up from WWE, we'll we'll talk about that as well.

01:06:26.750 --> 01:06:31.577
[SPEAKER_01]: We'll do our thumbs up and thumbs down, and then we'll do our observed this segment on WrestleMania 2000.

01:06:31.637 --> 01:06:33.300
[SPEAKER_01]: So like I said,

01:06:33.280 --> 01:06:37.148
[SPEAKER_01]: If you want to check it out, it'll be free on the F4W online YouTube channel.

01:06:37.189 --> 01:06:46.108
[SPEAKER_01]: Just go over there and subscribe if you are not yet subscribed, and you'll see us in a couple of days do the fight game podcast.

01:06:46.713 --> 01:06:58.355
[SPEAKER_01]: All right, and you are doing the dynamite show with Jeff tomorrow night, which is the AEW, the go home show for dynasty.

01:06:59.017 --> 01:07:01.081
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and that's an schedule right now.

01:07:01.101 --> 01:07:01.481
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think.

01:07:02.063 --> 01:07:05.970
[SPEAKER_01]: And then that will be your third show in a

01:07:06.372 --> 01:07:07.013
[SPEAKER_01]: for the wrap.

01:07:07.534 --> 01:07:08.255
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

01:07:08.776 --> 01:07:10.799
[SPEAKER_01]: And so you're just doing all the shows again.

01:07:11.419 --> 01:07:13.142
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I just hope my voice holds up.

01:07:13.162 --> 01:07:14.604
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm starting to feel a little bit in the back.

01:07:14.624 --> 01:07:21.374
[SPEAKER_01]: But no, I need to do the Beyonce thing, like the hot, what did she do?

01:07:21.434 --> 01:07:23.898
[SPEAKER_01]: Hot water with lemon and honey or whatever.

01:07:23.918 --> 01:07:27.263
[SPEAKER_00]: No, you know, when you're when you're only when you're hosting, you have to talk more.

01:07:27.363 --> 01:07:28.765
[SPEAKER_00]: So that's only tomorrow.

01:07:28.965 --> 01:07:29.526
[SPEAKER_00]: So I'm yeah.

01:07:29.887 --> 01:07:30.187
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

01:07:30.207 --> 01:07:34.253
[SPEAKER_00]: And and it's more work when I'm hosting, because I have to take all those notes

01:07:34.233 --> 01:07:36.597
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, although maybe I'll take a break to it.

01:07:36.798 --> 01:07:45.113
[SPEAKER_00]: I like to show we did last week because I didn't have notes and we we got it done in just over an hour and yeah, I noticed I had my grandson on there and a lot of people like that.

01:07:45.374 --> 01:07:50.183
[SPEAKER_00]: So it was very interesting hearing a curse on the air.

01:07:50.163 --> 01:08:03.349
[SPEAKER_00]: He called him Jeff Anassel, but it was interesting hearing a first time or like literal, he'd never seen a rest in show before, not live, not on TV, nothing.

01:08:03.589 --> 01:08:06.535
[SPEAKER_00]: And so to hear his perspective was very interesting.

01:08:07.797 --> 01:08:08.257
[SPEAKER_01]: All right.

01:08:08.398 --> 01:08:10.840
[SPEAKER_01]: So you'll do it again tomorrow night.

01:08:10.860 --> 01:08:15.565
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, just me and then, and then the next time you and I speak, I want to hear all about Vegas.

01:08:15.605 --> 01:08:20.690
[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, yeah, yeah, I'll make sure you make sure you remember all I'll take some notice.

01:08:22.231 --> 01:08:24.354
[SPEAKER_01]: All right, thanks very much to John's moonshine.

01:08:25.435 --> 01:08:26.856
[SPEAKER_01]: Thanks to everyone for checking in.

01:08:26.876 --> 01:08:31.681
[SPEAKER_01]: I think we, I think we put everybody who commented on the big screen.

01:08:31.841 --> 01:08:35.745
[SPEAKER_01]: So, and you know, just got a shout out for Nando for always being there.

01:08:35.725 --> 01:08:37.651
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, Miss Maria.

01:08:37.731 --> 01:08:38.634
[SPEAKER_00]: Hopefully she comes back soon.

01:08:38.654 --> 01:08:39.235
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

01:08:39.275 --> 01:08:39.516
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

01:08:39.536 --> 01:08:40.499
[SPEAKER_00]: What's going on with Maria?

01:08:40.619 --> 01:08:41.903
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, but I was Fernando.

01:08:42.084 --> 01:08:42.585
[SPEAKER_00]: Great to see you.

01:08:43.488 --> 01:08:43.789
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.

01:08:44.451 --> 01:08:46.918
[SPEAKER_01]: So that is it from here for Paul.

01:08:47.259 --> 01:08:49.125
[SPEAKER_01]: I am double G. We will see you when we see you.

01:08:49.245 --> 01:08:50.308
[SPEAKER_01]: Peace out.