Brock Lesnar's Return, Cody's AEW Comments & The Cena/Rhodes Classic | Takedown

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[SPEAKER_01]: All right, we are back on, take down and the second ever full video episode of Take Down.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Paul Fontaine is here with me.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Now, here's something very unique about this show is that Summer Slam, the two-day event was Saturday and Sunday.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And Paul hasn't watched any of the actual show.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But he knows the big news coming out of it, which is going to be our first topic, which is Brock Lesnar is back in WWE after the Cody Rhodes and John Cena match.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He came out and John Cena was right smack dab in the middle of the ring.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Brock jumped in, ducked.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think he ducked a close line or something and then gave him a net five and then the show went off the air.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So.

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[SPEAKER_01]: uh, Brock being back.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think is a, is a surprise to us though it may be a surprise to some.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I have actually been talking about this with Dave since last since Russell Mania basically said, you know, if rock isn't there or, you know, what's going to be the big thing could it be Brock and he basically said the same thing that he always says, which is, you know, they have to clear him.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Legal has to clear him.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And it sounds like

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[SPEAKER_01]: They cleared him about a month ago, which set him up to be able to be on this show.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Triple H after the show said that the reason he was back is because John Cena asked for him to be a part of the retirement run, which I think is one hundred percent unadulterated bullshit.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But that's Triple H these days.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And now this is something you may not even know, because you specifically have avoided all topics until you can actually watch some or sleep.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They did away with the questions at the press conference.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, I don't really watch the press conferences anyways.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So even if I did watch the show, I mean, out of known that, although I'm sure that that was a, I don't watch the post game either.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like I just dug out right when it shows over.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, when it was on that, when we had the network, I would keep it on and watch it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But now you have to go to like YouTube or something and I'm not doing that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: On on the US version of peacock, I think they just roll straight through.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's like one giant long twenty-hour show.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's what they used to do here and now it's a separate show.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I don't watch it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So people were speculating as to why now, why is AAA just not going to answer questions from media.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And the speculation and the thing that kind of made sense to me was,

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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, he's kind of bowed down to the true, his true king who is Donald Trump.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He is now a part of the, he was, he was with Trump at the White House as a part of this like presidential, like fitness thing and they acknowledged it on both nights of summer slander.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They got booed both nights of summer slam.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So with that lean, because you know, I wouldn't say historically, like the just recent memory they've been kind of down the middle politically, because they don't want to offend some of their fan base.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But recently, they've definitely leaned into the Trump stuff, which is a total TKO play.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We saw this coming with the UFC.

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[SPEAKER_01]: There are all the same company.

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[SPEAKER_01]: This is not surprising again.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But now it looks like

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[SPEAKER_01]: They ducked out of the questions because they knew the Brock Lesnar thing was also coming.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So that was their proactiveness, I guess, so that Triple H doesn't make a fool out of himself again.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, so let's get your thoughts here.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Of course, you didn't see Summerslam, but I don't think you needed to see Summerslam to have an opinion on Brock Lesnar coming back to WWE.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, well, and I also want to say just about what you just talked about there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then I'll talk about Brock.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I find it interesting that they did boo the mentions of Hunter with Trump because I mean, we talked about the whole gun last week and how he got booed on his last Netflix appearance.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I think yeah, and I think it had as much to do with Trump if not more than it did to do with the sex tape and the racist comments.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think there's anything to do with the sex tape, by the way.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But the racist comments and the Trump lean.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I just mentioned the tape because it was on the tape.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's all.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But then somebody brought up in the discord.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think it was Lisa.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Our friend Lisa Gifford, she asked, well, it'd be interesting to see, well, they boo hunter now that he's been all over the news with Trump.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And from what you're saying, so I was like, they did.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I guess is the boo was more for Trump than it was for Triple H. Because he came out in night two.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, to do the whole, you know, it's time, you know, whatever, and they seem to be fine with him.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So it's, yeah, it's him, but they, yeah, so they probably don't like Paul of Act, but they don't mind triplet.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But but back to Brock.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's funny because I got I was getting messages and texts and people know I'm behind so they were like, did you watch yet?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Did you watch yet?

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm like, no, no, no.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And it's like so I'm like, so they don't want to tell me anything and I was having like a conversation with somebody and he was trying to leave me without saying what happened and and I kind of like stumbled on what what it might have been because I figured, well, it's got to be one of two things.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I figured it was either Vince or or Brock right and and we talked about Vince last week.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yep.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, you know, and I even said like Vince shows up.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think he's going to get cheered and and you weren't sure and and with Brock like.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And it is just me, like, I, for me, like, number one, like, I don't really care if they bring him back.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, I don't, in that whole thing with Janelle Grant, like, I'm not even one hundred percent sure what he did or didn't do.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, nobody knows for sure.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But even if her accusations are correct, like, he was more like part of Vince's sick games than he was actually an active part, willing participant.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, he didn't turn down any of the conversation though.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Correct, but but did he did he even think Vince was serious?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like that we don't know, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: So regardless, like they made the decision that we're not going to use him.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That was legal.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then now they've decided we are going to use him.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So

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[SPEAKER_00]: But but that's being said like I don't even think they need to use them so regardless of whether or not they wanted to to me it's irrelevant like I don't think they need a forty whatever he is forty seven year old yeah forty seven forty eight I think I was well he was in the ninety eight he was in the university so

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[SPEAKER_00]: be like seventy seven you probably born seventy six seventy seven yeah it's almost fifty and you know jacked up hasn't wrestled a few years you know he's good and he's got a great presence but do you really need him like I don't know I so they must think they do and that's fine fans sounds like they probably popped so good for them um but I for me like I don't really care one way or the other I'm not offended

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[SPEAKER_00]: I would, if they brought Vince back, I'd probably feel different.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I could probably will bring Vince back, but here's the question, because I think this is a mistake that a lot of us males do is we go, well, we're not offended.

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[SPEAKER_01]: If you were a woman, would you be offended if you were a woman wrestling fan, would you be offended?

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I guess would depend on the woman.

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[SPEAKER_00]: What I was having this conversation with the person today, I mentioned that my wife is not a wrestling fan at all.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It doesn't follow it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: All she knows is what I mentioned to her and I tried not to talk about wrestling with her because she doesn't watch it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It doesn't like it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But when the whole vent stuff came down, like I showed her a few articles and she read it and I was interested in her feedback.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And her feedback shocked the hell out of me.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like she just said, you know, because she looked at everything and she came into a completely open mind because she didn't know anything about Vince.

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[SPEAKER_00]: She didn't know anything about anybody.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And she's like, well, you know, if that woman got in a relationship with a seventy five year old man, she knew, you know, she knew what she was doing and and she took a payoff.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And and then it didn't go well and he didn't pay her and and it's about money like that was what she said and that's that's a pragmatic approach so as far she's concerned like I don't think she would care one way or the other about Brock.

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[SPEAKER_00]: As far as yeah women I'm sure there's some women fan that you know don't they may be.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They may not even know.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, like I'm sure there's a good portion of fans that don't even know about how Brock is involved in this.

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[SPEAKER_01]: By the way, the women that I've seen who are wrestling fans reacting to this has been a hundred percent negative.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And find out if they WWE fans.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, to like, are they WWE women fans or are they wrestling fans that don't like WWE anyways?

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[SPEAKER_00]: And, you know, they're just looking, you know, they're going to probably complain about just about anything WWE.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I've seen less tribalism from women than I've seen from dude.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So fair enough.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Fair enough.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I thought, like again, I'm not, I'm not dismissing like if a, if a women, if a WWE fan who's a woman,

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[SPEAKER_00]: is is offended.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not going to tell her she's wrong.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like no question.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like she's got every right to be offended.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I just like I said, I don't really try to think if I even know any whim.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like I know women who kind of follow it, but I most of the women, I know that like wrestling don't like WWE.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And but why though, I think it was a big part of it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That there's a reason why.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, for sure.

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[SPEAKER_01]: This respecter has been the cloud hanging over the company.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But when you look at like evolution, for instance, and the TV that we got right after evolution, there was a lot of women in that crowd.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And in those crowds, I should say, and when you listen to the pops, they sounded different.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They were young and they were female.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so I'd be interested in what, again, and I'm not dismissing what the women you talk to said by any stretch.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But I wonder how those women would feel, and are we now going to see a shift

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[SPEAKER_00]: in the WWE audience, are there going to be less women watching?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Are there going to be less kids watching, you know, because maybe the women are bringing their kids, you know, like women, you know, bring kids to sporting events too?

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[SPEAKER_00]: That'll be interesting.

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[SPEAKER_00]: See, we don't get the demos anymore other than for SmackDown, I guess, but so is there going to be a shift to more men watching?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Are there going to be women leaving in more going to AW?

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, if you like women's wrestling, and again, I don't, that's the other thing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't see any, not a lot of evidence to support that women, women just like wrestling, like from what I've seen, like whether good wrestling, whether it's men or women, they don't really care.

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[SPEAKER_00]: In fact, I think there's a case we made that they like hot men, as much as we like hot women.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's interesting.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like I don't if they lose women.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and that's a huge mistake.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I guess we'll find out.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I think if you read the lawsuit, you can surmise that Vince and Brock are very

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[SPEAKER_01]: conversational about this type of endeavor.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So it led me to believe that it probably happened before and it was maybe a game between them.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But if but that's me reading the full lawsuit as well, which in that took hours.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So and and I'll be honest, I didn't read it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I read

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[SPEAKER_00]: a lot of recaps of it and Dave's thorough breakdown of it in the observer.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, I felt like by the time I finished reading days, right now, I mean, you probably read more than most, but in the eyes.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, so I take on the Brock thing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not surprised because I expected it around WrestleMania time.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I am.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I can't even be disappointed because in order to be disappointed, you have to have expectation.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And this version of WWE, the TKO version of WWE, I literally have no expectation.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I have no expectation for them to be morally responsible.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And we're talking about pro wrestling as it is.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't have an expectation for them to think of anything other than profit.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And if their mentor in this whole thing is the UFC, we know what that looks like.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And that looks worse than WWE.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So this is the thing that I think the thing that I have to think through is

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[SPEAKER_01]: how much worse does it get?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Not is this it because if we look at the UFC, it's probably going to get worse.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, there's so many examples of the UFC just outdoing themselves in that sense.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Dana White slapping his wife right on camera in the face is one.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Conner McGregor and his legal troubles.

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[SPEAKER_01]: This dude is in the news for nefarious things.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Time and time again and the only thing that keeps him out of fighting for the UFC is because he plays games with them and and plus he probably can't even fight anymore.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, they probably

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[SPEAKER_01]: Don't care necessarily about that because then he'll get in the ring and he'll get destroyed and someone will be made by by destroying him.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So they probably don't care about that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: John Jones and his reckless behavior and that doesn't stop him from fighting what stops him from fighting is he asked for too much money.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So it's stuff like that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then this other thing where this dude is wearing an ankle bracelet.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's a tricky dumbass.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: What my worry is, is that it just gets worse and not better, but at the same time, I think that the worst thing for me as a wrestling fan would be if they continue to gravitate towards what you were just talking about, what fan-based as the UFC gravitate.

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[SPEAKER_01]: closer and closer to, which is this demographic of white males who fit that magisterial type, that is where their lean is and those people are spending money like crazy to go to these shows too.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So that is the the worry for me and that has less to do with Brock Lesnar than it does with TKO and how they want it to run.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, I agree with that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I mean, that obviously we're making a generalization here because I mean, you know, I'm sure there's there's people of all them, I mean, obviously there is there's people of all demographics that support Trump or he wouldn't have been elected president, but WWE traditionally has stayed away from that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And now that TKOs and charts, they're leaning towards where they probably always maybe wanted to lean politically.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And obviously, they put Trump on their biggest pay for you they ever did.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So there was that relationship.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But I think that where you might see

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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, a pushback because TKO again, they, they don't have morals, but they do have, um, they have a commitment to make money.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And if they start to see a pushback from sponsors and or fans, then you may see them pull away from that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And obviously with UFC, they have not done that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And they are very comfortable leaning into a specific type of sponsor at the same time.

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[SPEAKER_00]: True, true, true.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, but, but again, like, Dana Wade has gone out and said, you know, like, if you don't want to sponsor us, like, fuck you, we don't need your money.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I think we're a bit away from like, follow back saying that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But you get away with it, by the way, because he's not even as savvy as Dana Wade is.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, no, I'm not only that, but he's gotten a con above him.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So, yeah, perhaps the con would say it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And could probably get away with it, but I don't think he ever would because I think he's got he's too smart.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I don't know what the word is tactful.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Then Dana White.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He just doesn't care.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Strategic.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's a good word.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's almost like sleazy strategic.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, but we just smart guy.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm sure he has his own personal morals.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They probably just don't line up with ours.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And again, and again, the commitment there is to the bottom line.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's not to a particular party or moral standard, although again, if it benefits them to be in bed with Trump, then that's what they're going to do.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And obviously that's the way they've leaned because everything the last couple weeks

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[SPEAKER_00]: has led you to where we are now.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I mean, even, you know, like them, the comments that Nick and Paul made about Vince, you know, kind of lead you to believe, okay, they don't really care about this lawsuit anymore.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, you know, whatever is going to happen with this lawsuit is going to happen, but either they don't think Vince is going to get convicted or they don't care.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I think it's pretty clear they don't believe Janelle Grant, whether or not she their Vince is convicted or not, they obviously don't think that it's going to bounce back on them at all or Brock for that matter or they wouldn't have brought them back.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I do wonder about the grant case because when I saw what happened, one of the things I thought about was, oh, I wonder if they believe a settlement is near.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Now, General Grant's team came out today with a statement that made you believe otherwise.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Uh, the, if they believe that Vince,

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like let's say, and I think a lot of things have to happen for this, but let's say this case actually goes all the way through and Vince has found guilty in some way.

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[SPEAKER_01]: how connected is he to them and will it be detrimental to them?

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[SPEAKER_01]: If that happens, if, you know, I sort of look at it like if you think about the Bill Cosby scenario, Bill Cosby, I think Bill Cosby is currently out of jail.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like he was in jail and then something happened and he's now out of jail.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know if that had to do with him being in a sense necessarily, but there was something where he,

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[SPEAKER_01]: The Cosby show name is kind of like in the mud, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like Felicia Rashad or unfortunately Malcolm Jamal Warner.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They were all still very, I wouldn't say the, I think Felicia Rashad is very cautious about him, but they would still call him Mr. Cosby.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I think it probably hurt them in the public eye in order to still do that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But they were also so much more respected as individuals than pro wrestlers because they were their actors and their very thoughtful, generally thoughtful people.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So that's an interesting thing is to see if WWE goes down with him and if they become sort of mud or if they can figure out how to separate

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[SPEAKER_01]: themselves, which is what they were doing, by the way, they had sort of wiped the slate clean with vents.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Only recently has it seem like maybe they're trying to get this dude back because that's the other question coming out of this is if Brock is back, do they bring Vince back on TV, which is something you alluded to last week?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and I mean, and they've kind of been, I think the way to put it is normalizing him in the sense that they're trying to distance

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[SPEAKER_00]: what he did or what he was accused of doing behind the scenes from what he did in terms of the industry and the creative and executive force behind what WWE became.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And what we're going to talk about the Cody interview with Bill Simmons, but in that interview, which obviously I'm sure had a lot of people listening and watching it, they mentioned Vince and they just kind of talked about him like they did.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Cody Cody was very smart, but he mentioned Vince first in sort of a casual conversation kind of way.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I just kind of fluffed it off like he's oh Vince have that stuff and he's gone now, you know, like bad man.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They literally had a conversation of yeah, I can't ask you about this because you're going to give me a shitty answer and and thus nothing is nothing is going to come out of this.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then in total these responses, yeah, and then that shitty answer might give you an even shitty or question, which will come back with an even shitty answer.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, you know, it was kind of funny, but and he's like, isn't my media training paying off and I got to kick out of that, but

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I mean, and between that and the comments that Triple H made of, you know, where he said that, oh, you know, somebody's perfect and accusations are just accusations and then Nick went even further where he, I can't remember the exact wording of what he said, but he, it's not like they're excusing what he, what Vince did.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They're just kind of saying, well, either he did or he didn't, and that's for the courts of the side, but

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[SPEAKER_00]: He did create this company and he did bring us to where we got to and that's kind of, you know, and then you know, and Cody giving credit to Vince for bringing him back and and all this stuff like and then talking about the past as if, you know, the past is it's almost like it was a different guy that they're talking.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I have a prediction for you, by the way, if they were to bring Vince back.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I have two different scenarios.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, and I will say, and I'll let you do yours.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I just think, well, no, you know, you do you.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, I have three different scenarios.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Let's say next year, Rosemania.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Let's say whatever the night two main event is.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And at the end of the night two main event, whoever has the championship raises it above their head.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And all of a sudden, no chance in Hell starts.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh my God.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Vince walks down and does the version, the eighty year old version of the Vince walk, which I'm sure his knees are probably like going to be sliding out of his sockets, but doing that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He comes in.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He just looks at the guy, whoever the guy is, any smiles.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think the crowd goes absolutely, eight shit.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They go crazy.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They're like, oh my God, we saw a moment.

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[SPEAKER_01]: This is amazing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So that's one scenario.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And that would be the right one if they wanted to get here.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And they're in their biggest next year, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That would be the right one to get him cheered.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The second scenario is he does a similar thing to open up raw or SmackDown.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Same thing, music starts, like to kick off the show, music goes off the lemmings because of they hear that music and it reminds them of being twelve years old.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They get super excited and then he comes in and he says like one sentence and then he gets out of there.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think again, crazy insane cheering.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The third scenario would be the one that I wouldn't do, which is, that thing happens, and then he cuts a promo.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Because during the promo, A.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He looks really old.

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[SPEAKER_01]: B, he's gonna screw it up and see you're out there for an extended amount of time.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And the music is died and the fans have kind of settled down and they realize what it is, they're able to think about it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then I think he does get boot.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But those are the three scenarios.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So if they want him to come out and be cheered, I would do the Russell Mania one that I suggest it because I don't think there's a way he gets boot if it's that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, I mean, yeah, I would obviously agree with you.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I would just say that if they were going to bring it back, like, and this is strictly speaking as a fan or someone who watches the product, I would not want him anywhere near creative.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, he could be a voice that they listen to in terms of like some big picture items because I think there's certain things about the business that, you know, like he's got a good sense for, but in terms of like

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[SPEAKER_00]: day-to-day, you know, running a show, like no, you know, and even like smaller angles, no, just, you know, like, you know, Hunter could ask, I mean, for oh, we know he's probably doing that now.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But in terms of like on-screen, yeah, like something like that where it's like a ceremonial thing, obviously not a regular character, we know Vincent's self is not comfortable being on camera, looking the way he does and being the age that he is.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And or my catcher running.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And and then like I would say, yeah, so not a regular performer and then in terms of like his actual role, I mean, he could be like a brand ambassador, you know, kind of thing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Kind of like Adana White, but a little like not as high profile as Dana, you know, maybe more like what the fatitas were when when they ran the show, like where they're just kind of like a name in the back that is kind of associated with company, but doesn't really do anything, you know.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I would keep him off of television, but I would just have him keep sweet talk and prints.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's all I would.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's got to obviously got a good relationship with the print.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then, you know, but then the question then is, is he interested in doing that?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, or does he want to run the show?

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think if he's dealing with Saudi Arabia, that keeps him in the business game with his whatever his new company is that he's doing and at the table for like the negotiations and you know what, that may be another reason they want to back.

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[SPEAKER_00]: because they are going to be negotiating the rights for the network or the peacock, you know, whatever it is, like that's coming soon.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So maybe they think that networks still are, you know, Vince brings up into the table that nobody else does.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They may think that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't agree with it, but they may think that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't want to see him.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I almost got that Ikki feeling seeing Brock so soon.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And it's mostly from the crowd going nuts over him.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I haven't seen it, but I can tell you right now.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I won't feel that way just because I again, I probably don't have those feelings about Brock that some people do.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm not questioning the way they feel.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm just telling you how I feel.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's less about Brock.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And it's more about

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[SPEAKER_01]: wrestling always finding its way to being in the mud and making you feel like you're you're kind of a low common denominator person for liking wrestling that's the I feel when I watch wrestling sometimes and in these moments like normally like you have an event like for the most part summer slam two nights

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[SPEAKER_01]: Completely fine content, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like it was it was content.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They they set up specific moments and we'll get to this at the end.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You haven't seen John Cena and Cody Rhodes yet, but they out kicked your expectation with that match.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, I'm I was expecting them to be better than Mania.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, it's it's way better than me.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I was with those fans that you're talking about though, there's three things.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Number one, they don't know about the accusations.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Number two, they know that they have to know about.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm just saying, they're not a threat.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There's some lawsuit.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There's some people that don't, I'm just saying, there's some that don't know.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's one possible option.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Two, they know and they just don't care.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And three, they know and they don't believe Janelle Grant.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Those are the three options of the people that are cheering.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I think the majority of people who are paying hundreds and in some cases thousands of dollars to go to a WWE show probably fall into one of those categories.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, like if you look at a bill Simmons, if you spend that much money, yeah, to go to the show.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You probably don't care too much about the things that I care about, which is totally fine.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I am going to tell people to spend their money like wrestling is it means different things to different people.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But the idea that you're at an event that makes you

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[SPEAKER_01]: feel great about something which is I think half of the reason why UFC does such great job with their shows because people feel something at those shows there whether it's the best of the best is fighting or just the violent it's like a you know you get it's like a live car crash whatever that thing is that that gets people to shell out their money like more power to them

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[SPEAKER_01]: But you have to check something at the door, I think.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Now, I don't think anybody bought tickets to Summerslam, thinking that Brock was coming back.

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[SPEAKER_01]: If they had promoted Brock,

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[SPEAKER_01]: That would have been different, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: You bring him back as a surprise because you've already made the money.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And it's not going to affect that show.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So they don't have the top that he gets is your answer, like whether the majority people are cheering or not.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That may have just been the moment though.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's what they're there for is that moment.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That feeling you described about Brock sounds to me like the feeling I have whenever Donald Trump shows up at a UFC event.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like I'm, I'm to the point now where it's like if I hadn't already bought the show.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not, I'm not buying it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'll just say to hell then I'm not watching.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I give you a call and say, hey, you know, I'm not coming into this.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I saw Trump and I said, nope, I'm a, you know, like I, that's how I feel when I hear that American badass kick in and I see him coming with Kid Rock behind him in the city at Sons.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And, you know, Dana just glad handling a John attic running up to him and shaking his hand to Daniel Cormier today.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Done.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm like, no, I'm just, I'm done.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm out.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, no, no.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's not like that yet.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But it could, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: That is where I don't want to see WWE get to.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's what I might feel like if I see Vince again, I think.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But again, like a lot of my thing with Vince isn't even what happened.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like I was, obviously, I'm not glad for what he did or was accused of doing to Genel Grant.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I would not glad about that at all or any of the dozens of other women you did it to.

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[SPEAKER_00]: but I was glad to get rid of them as a person that enjoys the product when it's good and him being gone was a positive to the product.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So in that sense, selfishly, no morals involved.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I just don't want Vince around period.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I can get on a moral high ground and say, oh, yeah, I'm all for the women.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's like me, well, it's like, no, I just want a good wrestling show to watch.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And that's the thing when we come back to Brock.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, I don't think he makes the product better.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So, you know, that's where I'm like, okay, what are they gonna do with him and am I gonna like it?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, you know, and I don't know, I don't think so.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But we'll see.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, let's move on.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The second topic is I asked you to listen to this Cody Rhodes on Bill Simmons interview.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Specifically about the conversation surrounding AEW and his, I'm leaving AEW.

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[SPEAKER_01]: What did you gather from his comment about feeling disrespected, not naming Tony Khan and kind of like saying, I met with Vincent Bruce and I still didn't think I was going there.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I still thought I was going to stay with AEW, but feeling disrespected.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like it's one thing feeling disrespected by this corporate entity, but it's another thing being disrespected by something I helped create.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Actually, I don't even think he, I don't think he could be wrong.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But I think he said, you didn't say I helped create.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think he said I created.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's what he said.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, so Jeff and I had a conversation about this when we Jeff Hawkins and who, you know, when we did one of our retro additions of the dynamite show where we looked back on.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think it was the disastrous December, eighteenth, twenty-nineteen episode where Tony Con just had to, you know, get rid of everybody else and do all the creative himself because he wasn't happy with it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And we talked about Brandy.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And we couldn't, we didn't remember how big a part of the show she was.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And also what was very notable was the announcers and not just J.R.

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[SPEAKER_00]: because J.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R

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[SPEAKER_00]: The fact is that they had no chance of succeeding.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I think what happened, we, Jeff and I both came to the same conclusion that a lot of what happened with Cody had to do with Brandy and the fact that she was being sabotaged by the announcers.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So anything she did, she wasn't gonna have a chance of succeeding.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And there was some good stuff she did.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, you know, the stuff I remember with Dan Lambert,

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[SPEAKER_00]: And by the way, he buried her, too.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then with the shack, when they had, she was supposed to wrestle in that match with shack, but then she got pregnant.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I think it was red velvet stepped in for her, but she had that famous line who told you it was open, Mike night bit, sure something.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And yeah, so, so all that stuff.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so I think what happened was when they came around for renewals, Tony was, you know, he was probably going to sign her to do whatever she was doing behind the scenes.

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[SPEAKER_00]: She was the, well, she, she called the brand ambassador, the brand Brandy ambassador.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And, and Cody, obviously he would have been giving him a deal or maybe just picking up his option.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But then, you know, part of the negotiations may have been, you know what?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, we want you, but we don't want your wife.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And that tells me though.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The Tony isn't smart.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Uh, or the fact is Tony on his side didn't think he needed Cody anymore.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That is the other thing because I think Tony is smart.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So if he knew that Brandy was persona non grata, he had to have known that Cody was would not take that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And who else was in that company at the time, Cody left who had just shown up and was more or less the shiny new toy.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And everybody loved him at the time.

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[SPEAKER_00]: CM Punk.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Was he there or was he on his way?

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't remember that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: No, he was there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So Cody left in early, twenty two and that punk came in in September, twenty one.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So he was still at the height.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He was in the middle at MJF feud.

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[SPEAKER_00]: One Cody left.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like that was his the height of his popularity and the height of his of a W's popularity really.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so in his mind, and I think if you go back to twenty nineteen,

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[SPEAKER_00]: obviously Tony needed Cody in some ways, but if in twenty nineteen punk what punk was available, but he wasn't interested in going there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: If he could have had punk instead of Cody, I think Tony would have taken punk.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like if it was a choice between Tony and punk in twenty nineteen in twenty twenty two, it may have been a choice where he said, hey, I have punk, I don't need Cody.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, that may be, I don't know that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And that could also be playing into what happened with the elite and punk, you know, where all of a sudden now we got problems with hangman.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We got problems with the bucks who were friends with Cody.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The brandy conversation has to be a part of this, I think.

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[SPEAKER_01]: She is very adamant that he tells the story seemingly like I think she wants the story to be out.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We have heard that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We have heard the brandy piece of this and I have always kind of like my defense to that is Tony Connis to smart to create that fight.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You could always find something for Brandy to do.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You could do what he's done to other people and say, OK, you're going to do this.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then they disagree and then you send them home.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like this is this is a thing with him.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So that's the part where I walk when it comes down to Brandy, though, I got to imagine some of it has to be with her involved.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, well, you talk about finding something for it to do, like he may have offered her a job, but he just didn't want her on screen, and he didn't, and he, and told, and when maybe Cody and Brandy both at that time thought she had a lot to offer on screen and, and wanted her on screen and, and that could have been part of it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But she could simply just

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[SPEAKER_00]: be a valet and like you said.

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[SPEAKER_01]: She was pregnant.

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[SPEAKER_01]: She's going to have she has a baby.

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[SPEAKER_01]: She's not going to be there all the time because she's going to want to take care of her baby.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe the baby comes out on the road with them and stuff, but her her responsibilities would have to be less just because she is now going to be a mother.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, but being not doing it and being told, we don't want you to do it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Those are two different things.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But you got to be savourier than the NBA.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And that's a threat to have this conversation in a way that makes people feel good about.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Tony is smart enough that maybe he thought about it, played the chess game and said, OK, I'm going to tell him this and he's probably going to leave and I'm OK with that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: OK, so

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[SPEAKER_01]: The other thing, the other part of this, and this is something that I have first-hand knowledge of because I did those interviews with Tony Khan and Dave, and around the time, and we did, so we did a few of them.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I'm conflating things, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't even remember the time frame of this.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I had felt

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[SPEAKER_01]: just by having these conversations on air and just sort of shooting the stuff.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I felt that Tony himself was not getting enough of the credit of what was happening.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And Cody was kind of given more credit than maybe he deserved in certain things.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I remember thinking like, oh,

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[SPEAKER_01]: like they don't mind Cody taking the credit necessarily because he's so good at the media stuff and he is the most I guess you know second or third most well known person behind Jericho and moxley

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[SPEAKER_01]: And so that's a face and that's a name in us.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You kind of let him do the media.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He's great about it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But when the interviewers are like, yeah, you know, when you created this thing and when you when you did this part of creative and and Tony's in the back thinking like, huh, like, that's actually not him.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's probably me or whatever.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I sensed right then and there that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, like as long as things are good, this is this is cool, but when things are not good, this might not be cool.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And so you remember.

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[SPEAKER_01]: when Tony decided that he was going to take over creative, and he was going to be the single person in creative, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: And at that time, by him taking the reins, what it also said is, you, Kenny Omega, you, young bucks, you, Cody, like I'm the guy when it comes to this stuff, not you guys.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I always thought that Cody saw himself like his dad

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[SPEAKER_01]: He's talent, but he's also kind of running the show.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And so when you take that away from him and look, I don't know exactly what each person we're doing, but I also know like behind the scenes in the elite.

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[SPEAKER_01]: just the four of those dudes like they weren't always getting along.

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[SPEAKER_01]: There was some frustration and stuff along the way.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But that's natural.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's that startup stuff.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like that's normal.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I've been in lots of moments like that where these people that you love so much and you bring together and you create this thing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then you have a difference of opinion.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then it's like who's got the most power, who's got the biggest voice, who's gonna, you know, throw the biggest fit.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So all of those things were happening at this time.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I always wondered if Cody was going because you know Cody's personality He's kind of a I've only met him in person like two three two three four times like so it's not a ton right But my gauge if it was Brandy's fucking cool

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[SPEAKER_01]: and Cody's kind of a square.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like that was my interpretation of them.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's kind of like, I mean, I never met him, but you know, I followed his whole career.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He comes off as a just like a regular, like a wrestling fan, like just a wrestling fan and especially like when you listen, like in that interview and I'll tell people if you haven't listened to it, I would recommend it because I thought he came off really well in that interview by the way.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But it sounded like he was like a cool dude to hang out with.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's a different Cody, though.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like the right away, it's the first thing I noticed, his voice was different.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like he didn't have that put on voice that he normally has when he's on TV or even at a press conference or even on a media junket, like he used to do an AW, like this just sounded like, man, if Cody, if you're just hanging out with Cody, this is kind of what it would have sounded like, and he seemed very comfortable.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But then at some point in the interview, he mentioned that he had been asked by an interviewer at one point.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He said the name, and I can't remember who it was.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Who asked him to be scared?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, Chris Beverly, you're right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He asked him the scariest questions ever been asked, and it was like, are you ever not working?

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[SPEAKER_00]: And he said, you know, like,

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't even know at this point because I've been this for so long like and it got me to think in like all these like and he took some criticism for some of his opinions and some of the stuff he said like particularly the the Montreal screw job and all that and I like I believe him like I think this is what he actually thinks say I just think is a dork when he says

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and even when he's talking about Unreal, like he's talking about, oh, man, that sounds cool.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, like he's just like, and I, yeah, that might be promotion or might be how he really feels.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like he kind of wants to see this because he wants to see how stuff's put together.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And every time they brought up Shawn Michaels and the things he did, he's like, oh, is that him or is that he's just working?

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[SPEAKER_01]: He explained who he is though.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Dusty.

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[SPEAKER_01]: treated him like a child, you know, he overprotect a lot of them.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And so like that, that explained a lot if you understand.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And dusty, it sounded like dusty worked.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm constantly.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So he probably never had any idea what was real and what wasn't, but but at the same time, I do think he came across as very cool.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, in that interview.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's why I thought it was a great thing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But when I do get the nerdy stuff like you talk about, too, that show's up and he's always wearing his three-piece suit and it's walking his dog and I'm sure with his kid he's just like, okay, you know, like, what I can't remember her name, but he probably dresses her and, you know, be polite, say thank you.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So ultimately, what I take away is if he ever talks about this,

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think his side and I think Tony side are going to be a little bit different.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think he truly believes that he was sold a little bit of a bill of goods about what AEW was going to be.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And he decided that if I'm just going to be a wrestler, I might as well just be a wrestler on the other side because I can make an impact by using my AEW name.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I also think that he opened this door and he mentioned it a couple times in the interview.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think he opened this door because he wants people to buy his book.

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[SPEAKER_00]: because he talked if it comes out.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, he said, I'm thinking about right in the book and then, you know, and then he talks about a W for the first time.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So, okay, I told Dave, I said, he's writing this book and Dave goes, well, he's not going to tell the story.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I go, well, then you can't write the book because the book's going to be bullshit.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He's like, you're right.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He's got to tell the story.

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[SPEAKER_01]: If he's going to write the book, but he agreed with Tony Khan and they have Tony Khan.

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[SPEAKER_00]: if they go against the then Tony Khan's going to have to come out with his side.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, and he agreed, but is there paperwork?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Did he sign anything?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Or is it handshake agreement?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And if that's the case, I mean, I don't end up saying, Tony is distrustful or anything.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, I mean, obviously if he opens that door, then Tony can come back and say, but I don't think I think Cody smart enough politically that he's not going to bury Tony, but he may be a little more honest than what he has been so far.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then Tony can

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[SPEAKER_01]: can you think not mentioning Tony's name is a WWE thing like you cannot say this man's name or do you think Cody did that specifically because he's frustrated with him I will go back to I think Cody is so ingrained in that WWE system that

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[SPEAKER_00]: He just probably wouldn't say the name because of the fact that, you know, like they wouldn't say it on TV.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So it's not even a conscious thing that he's doing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He just doesn't want to say he's okay with saying Kenny Omega in the box because even occasionally they get mentioned in WWE.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Although, I mean, there was times like he never once had Paul Hayman, he always called a Mr. Hayman.

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[SPEAKER_00]: which I found very interesting was kind of weird almost.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe go back to the dark thing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, I think it was a subconscious thing that where he didn't mention Tony Khan.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Because he never even really talked about Tony without saying his name.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like he just, it was all him and the box and Kenny.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, and he didn't mention Hangman either.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, and he was one of the key guys at the beginning too.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, so I don't think it was that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It was more just that he didn't really probably in his brain just won't say the name because it's just not something you do when you're in WWE.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: All right.

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[SPEAKER_01]: This is a art that we generally do three topics.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We really only had two, but I wanted to throw this third one out, but it's unfortunately you haven't seen the match yet.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I was kind of wondering.

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[SPEAKER_01]: When you watch great matches, and an AEW great match, a lot of the times is different from a WWE great match, which is also different slightly different from a New Japan style great match.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I haven't watched TNA wrestling in years and years and years, so I don't know what a great match there looks like.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It would be more like a hybrid between a WWV probably.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So watching this John Cena and Cody Rhodes match it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: As I'm watching it,

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[SPEAKER_01]: A, it's every trick in the book to make John Cena look like the old John Cena.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It is, you know, lots of just big moves and kickouts of big moves.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But I'm also watching it and thinking like, man, there is so much history behind John Cena, the rust like I've seen so many of John Cena's matches.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I haven't enjoyed him as a character for so many years.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And so there's history in that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm watching Cody Rhodes and I'm like, you know, I like this version of Cody Rhodes a lot.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So much respect for him in his work over the last several years.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I watched it thinking, you know, if I was to rate this unbiously, like just watching it and going like, what's a better match?

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[SPEAKER_01]: This match or name your favorite AEW match of the year, like just give me a match that you really love from AEW this year.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Uh, the, uh, Kenny Omega and Will Osprey against Kenosuke, uh, to catch the golf lecture.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That may have been my, my favorite match of the year in AWS.

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[SPEAKER_01]: On the level of athleticism on the level of timing of moves on the level of like all in all kind of moments and the story and the story behind it, you know, just that that was a big part of it for that match for me.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That match heads and shoulders in an unbiased viewing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: above this match.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But I like this match better for my personal taste because of my relationship with both of those guys and the story that they told on this stage with WWE production with the John Cena theme song with John Cena breaking the fourth wall with like all of these different things, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: I love Kenny Omega as well.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I love, you know, I'm a fan of Will Osprey.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I wouldn't say he's one of my favorite guys to catch the in Kyle or obviously on the come up and they may be in five years.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Those same guys as as Omega and Osprey.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So my emotional attachment to that match is a little bit less than it is a lot less air enough than it is.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And so while I would say that match is much better, like if you were giving a Meltzer scale, then Cody and Cena, actually like the Cody and Cena match better, almost better than any AEW match I've seen this year.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And it and it's just because of what I like about wrestling as well as my connection to those guys.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, when you talk about the melts or scale, I mean, you know, the five star scale and some cases we go a little bit over.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I for me, like that's about personal.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So it's not you're not or I'm not anyways necessarily rating it the same way Dave does, even though often we were very close.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think Dave's giving this match minimum four and three quarter stars.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, fair enough.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And the thing is, and if you look at it, he's pretty consistent.

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[SPEAKER_00]: For me, like, it's funny you asked this question because I was thinking a lot about it because there was, there was a match on Thursday.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I did see the match, Kyle Fletcher and Dustin's, that Dave gave five stars to.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I thought, I thought that was insane.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, I like the match.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I thought it was great match, but five stars no way.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, that's just what I thought.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I gave it four and a half.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But, you know, I'm looking like, oh, if I compare that to Mercedes and Tony at all in, like, no way is that match better than you know what?

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[SPEAKER_01]: I didn't like that match as much as everyone else did.

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[SPEAKER_00]: What Mercedes and Tony, okay?

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[SPEAKER_00]: But I mean, you can compare it to, uh, was it the box and, oh, you didn't like the box?

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[SPEAKER_00]: I hated that match.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, there you go.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Hey, hey, hey, they're strong.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I just everybody expected a little bit.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Everybody likes different things.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know what?

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know what?

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think I'm going to have to figure out a new rating scale for matches that Rick knocks is the referee in because I'm automatically going to hate it because he's not going to do jack shit in that match and there's going to be no rules.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But even if you can go to the main event then, but I think you gave the main, which I love the main event, but I gave the main event five stars.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I hated the match, but I appreciated, I love the story of the match.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I just hated some of the stuff they did in the match.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But again, you know, and then I saw a match on G-One.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And as my podcast partner would put it, he'll put over some random midcard G-One match.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I saw Kenos get to catch that and shingle to Coggy.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And oh my god.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Those guys are into bangers man.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I gave that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's five and a quarter stars.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like this match was incredible.

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[SPEAKER_00]: What night was it?

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[SPEAKER_00]: It was the night six.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think it would have gave it for four or four and three quarters.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So and there was a match earlier in that show that he gave the same rating to that I really liked as well, but I didn't give it I gave it like four and a half and it was Zach Saber Jr.

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[SPEAKER_00]: and

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[SPEAKER_00]: I can't remember who he was wrestling, but it doesn't matter to Zack and Dave gives everybody Zack match four and a half stars at least.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Just kidding.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But no, like so I'm watching these great matches from like different companies because then I go back to the evolution paper view and I had that three way at the as the main event and and I gave that one.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think it was either four and three quarters or five.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think it's four and three quarters.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So you got all these great matches from the different companies and they're all so different.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And based on how you're describing the Cody scene match, I'm sure I'm going to be in that same range as Dave, but then there's going to be people that are going to look at it and they're going to lie.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, with a bunch of mirrors and smoking mirrors, but then other people are going to look at the dust in in California match and they're like, oh, well, you know, they use blood and chairs and this none, you take all that away.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's like a two-star match.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And it's like, no, you've got to take, you've got to factor everything.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And you've got to factor in like with the dust in in California match.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, oh my god, this might be dust in the last match that he ever has.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, and he's trying to defend this title and you got Kyle Fletcher who's going to do anything.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like it's a great story.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so, you know, like, while it may criticize Dave for giving it five, hey, well, I shouldn't, I'm not criticizing his opinion, but I don't agree with it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But I gave it four and a half.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I'm just saying, it's like, go out of your way to see this match.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's a great match.

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[SPEAKER_00]: something collision, like, I don't know why you put it on a collision, but, you know, that's a whole other story.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, I think that it's all important.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I think no matter what show you're watching,

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[SPEAKER_00]: There's probably going to be different things that are important to you.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And most people aren't like us that try to watch everything.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm even more crazy than you.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, whereas I'm literally watching almost everything.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But if you're, if you're a fan of WWE, you're looking for one thing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: If you're a fan of a WWE, looking for another thing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And the more they branch out and appeal to their own audiences, I think we're going to see more and more of those differences.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And and a WWE is going to lean more towards the production and the stories, the very simple stories, but the easy to relate stories and a WWE is going to lean more into the athleticism.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And and and then that's great.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They're both servicing no fan bases.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I'm not I don't really have a problem with either one of them.

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[SPEAKER_01]: All right, that's it for take down and we'll we're going to have to figure out if Paul is not caught up with what like how I get to catch up, but by the next big show, I'm sure I'll be caught up.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Although I will say at this point, I'm

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm leaning towards not getting forbidden door like I've been interested.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I didn't get it last year.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So we'll see like I don't see where they're going for the big matches and I guess it's going out of it is going to probably be last minute to and that's a thing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so it's what I'm going to pay fifty dollars for stuff that was put to guys last minute.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know Tony and Athena intrigues me, but that's it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, you know, so we'll see.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's an interesting show because I'm thinking Sunday night.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, he weighs free.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Just kidding.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh God.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm actively avoiding that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I know you.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I know you're.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I avoid it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So, so much now.

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[SPEAKER_01]: All right.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We'll be back for Paul.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm double G. We'll see when we see you piece out.