All Out Review: Statlander Wins, Hangman vs. Fletcher, PAC is BACK! | AEW Post Game Live

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[SPEAKER_03]: everybody.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Welcome to our AEW post game live show.

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[SPEAKER_03]: We're going to be talking about AEW all out which was Saturday afternoon.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Where do you stand Jimmy?

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[SPEAKER_03]: Are you into these Saturday afternoon paper views?

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[SPEAKER_03]: Would you rather than be back on Saturday night?

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[SPEAKER_03]: What was your take from today?

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[SPEAKER_00]: I like Saturday afternoon because it worked personally better with my

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's not for everybody, and it was a really nice day today.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That was in on the couch.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I've watched in this video, I've been looking at how kind of a dang, a beautiful day outside, and I'm watching wrestling for five hours in the middle of it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, it's great to have your evening free, but it's also like, it's fun to watch wrestling when it's raining and it do like dreary outside, but it's super nice.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm with you.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I think this and now this is just sort of me being accustomed to traditional paper view, wrestling now, of course, I'd rather be on Sunday because it kind of signals like the end of this weekend and you get to watch a good wrestling show.

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[SPEAKER_03]: But the date, the thing about

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[SPEAKER_03]: Obviously with as much wrestling as we watch, you know, I'm not I'm not speaking necessarily to everyone here because not everyone watches as much stuff as we do.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Saturdays kind of like the one day where you get to take a rest, you know, unless you're just a diehard collision watcher, but again, collisions in the evening.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I kind of like the idea of having a Saturday day open so we can do stuff with our families and our significant others and our friends.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Having wrestling right smack dab in the middle of that to me is almost like the wrestling companies not respecting their fans in a way.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Though I know Tony Con if it was up to him he would do it normally in the normal evening time

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[SPEAKER_03]: the all-in show you're sitting on your ass for six hours and you're like oh where did my Saturday go like that's kind of the thing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, but I think it up in the middle of the show and go for a walk for it man.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I have three hours on this couch man.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Come on.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_03]: That is the, that is the, you know, that that's just the way the things are right now.

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[SPEAKER_03]: The ecosystem of pro wrestling.

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[SPEAKER_03]: To I guess that you could fault the competitive aspect of WWE though Tony could just decide not to push his shows anymore either and just say, hey, if you want to go head to head, so be it.

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[SPEAKER_03]: But yeah, that's what I feeling right now is like, if you want your fans to actually have lives, I would suggest not running Saturday, paper views during the day.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, if you're not a football fan, you have your entire Sunday for you.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, there's nothing going on.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But the intersection of football and pro wrestling, that's pretty large.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I imagine

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, I was talking about this on another show that I do, but when we were kids, you know, the idea that you would have all day of rest of like a dream come true.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, you like, man, if I could just watch this all the time, it would be amazing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: My God, we're in that world now, and it's overwhelming, and it's just like, that you cannot close the door.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like you just have to be okay with not watching something and moving on.

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[SPEAKER_00]: rather than, you know, making sure that you're watching everything and cataloging it, God bless Paul Fontaine.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I could never, I could never, like, archive every match that I watch, score it and make sure that I'm catching everything just in case I miss something.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, totally.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So as most people probably realize, WWE is running their Russell Palusa show.

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[SPEAKER_03]: As we speak, it is a couple of hours in, I think the CM Punk match, AJ Lee match is on, but getting updates on my computer of what happened on the last match.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, they're actually helpful.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Now I don't have to watch it.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I watch the opening match of the WWE show, but I kind of watch it, you know, a small screen half paying attention because the WWE's main event is going on to I didn't like it from what I saw, but I'm going to go back and rewatch it because you know some of some of it is it was probably mean not focusing 100% there's also a little bit of like this match feels like.

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[SPEAKER_03]: 2014 or 2015.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So that was kind of the theme of both shows, by the way, there's a lot of throwback stuff on the AEW show that we'll talk about.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So better days than the past kind of spend out.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Trying to create moments, I guess, both shows, moments.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So the AEW show, we'll talk about kind of the big moments in the big news coming out.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Uh, by the way, Kila Cash and Paul Fontaine will be up after the WWE show is done on this channel.

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[SPEAKER_03]: If you're listening on the network, that, that should be uploaded by the time you hear this as well.

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[SPEAKER_03]: But so while a couple of different shows in the feed, we had the, the power bomb shells early this morning with the pre pre show.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So lots of content here.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I don't, I don't want to keep everyone,

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[SPEAKER_03]: You know, wait.

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[SPEAKER_03]: You know, I don't want to do an hour and a half show after people just watch so much wrestling today.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So we'll kind of try and keep it briefer than normal.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So let's hit the main news coming out of this show.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And then we'll kind of work backwards and talk about some of the matches as well.

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[SPEAKER_03]: against Kyle Fletcher.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I don't think anybody would be surprised by this result.

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[SPEAKER_03]: In fact, I'm going to guess only the biggest Kyle Fletcher fans in the world.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Maybe thought that there was going to be a titles change here.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So they went for the classic world title match, long match,

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[SPEAKER_03]: I know there's a lot of people who would love this match, by the way, I thought it was really good.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I my issue was as I'm watching it, you are very aware and coherent that they're going long.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Almost for the sake of going long, like not because this match needed, not because the story needed it, but because they kind of wanted it to for the competition sake,

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[SPEAKER_03]: they almost went all the way to to five hours.

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[SPEAKER_03]: It was like four hours and fifty five minutes.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, fifty eight minutes.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So if I look at it through that lens, I thought the mattress too long.

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[SPEAKER_03]: But if you look at it through the lens of like not caring about any of those things, they were able to do a 38 minute match.

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[SPEAKER_03]: and do it very, very well.

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[SPEAKER_03]: You don't really see that many 38-minute matches.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Like think of the one-hour matches that you've seen in your life.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Most of them, there's like the spots of, you know,

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[SPEAKER_03]: You know, historically, but then there are also ones like I can remember the mjf and we'll Osprey one where I mean, I imagine those guys were so tired because they worked so hard to give you action throughout that whole match.

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[SPEAKER_03]: This was very similar to that, but it was in the ring they didn't use the outside stuff where mjf and Osprey kind of got a little bit of a cheat code for theirs.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So, and 40 minutes is not 60 minutes, but that was kind of what I thought was

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[SPEAKER_03]: They are working at a high pace athletically, but the match itself was a little bit slower paced.

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[SPEAKER_03]: It was kind of like a really traditional traditional baby face heel match.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Lots of heat early with Kyle Fletcher taking a

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[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know if you were to put a clock on it, you know, probably 60% of the match, maybe even more than that.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And then hang man coming back, you know, for that last 5 to 10 minute sprint to the finish.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So in that aspect, I thought the match was really good.

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[SPEAKER_03]: But did it need to be 38 minutes, it need to be 40 minutes, probably not, and maybe it affected.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Maybe it wouldn't have affected me as much as if this was a three hour paper view rather than a five hour paper view, but what were your thoughts about the length of this thing?

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[SPEAKER_00]: When we were, we'll want to show together and

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[SPEAKER_00]: Somebody mentioned that it reminded them of a really classic New Japan match for maybe like eight or nine years ago, like that 2016 to 2018 era.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I think it hit for me that way because of the lack of interference from the outside.

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[SPEAKER_00]: This was a very true one-on-one match, no interference.

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[SPEAKER_00]: classic baby face versus heel match, even though the the dynamic were the young upstart heel in the in the veteran baby face.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I really liked the match, but when I was thinking about an afterwards, the thing that I was taking away from it is, it's probably isn't the last time that these two were going to sleep together, and they're both going to be better at this.

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[SPEAKER_00]: when they meet up the next time.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And this was a very excellent match for, you know, the combined experience of the two.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And it's just the potential of that meaning again is pretty fantastic.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They laid a lot of groundwork for the future with those.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I do wonder if this is going to be a feud more than just the contender of the week or the contender of the month.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Because that's what we kind of thought when they put this match together was like, oh,

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[SPEAKER_03]: they need a world title match for this paper even.

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[SPEAKER_03]: They don't really have one and you know Tony Khan has had his commentary.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I guess he got really mad that the report about word little possibly being in this match was out and you got he got really mad at that and I mean if if that he should if that was bad information, but um

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I get the war to open the conversation to be again, taking that at some point, getting completed into gossip and to being a world title container is a classic game telephone.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yes.

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[SPEAKER_03]: But just the idea, like, I guess if you bring backwardly, you want to bring them back in a big spot.

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[SPEAKER_03]: if he was even sniffing like the top of this card, the way that they brought him back, I might have a little bit of like side eye around that.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So I don't know.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I just the idea that he was kind of close to this thing is interesting.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, if they had to make a choice between Kyle Flutter and Wardlow as the person to face hangman in the scenario, I think they made the right decision.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I think so too.

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[SPEAKER_03]: You give this guy a shot.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Dave and I and Dave and Brian have been talking about this all along, which is as a money match, as a match for business.

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[SPEAKER_03]: This is not the match that you would necessarily go to, especially on this weekend, right?

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[SPEAKER_03]: As a building block to the future of your company, this was a fantastic match so that

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[SPEAKER_03]: you know, elevate Kyle Fletcher into the the main event scene.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I didn't really like the storyline going in and I've been very vocal about that like I thought the storyline should have been really about getting revenge for Kenny Omega.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Instead of this like, oh, you know, you I want to see you without your crew and let's really see what kind of man you are so that didn't really resonate with me, but I knew the match was it was going to be really good, but again, if this show was three hours or three and a half hours and we got that same world title match, I think I would have been way into it because I hit a wall.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We all might have hit a wall during that taxi ladder match where we like I was just kind of adjusting my I hit a wall at the four at the women's four way to be getting and I had to kind of re-be group and then I understood why everyone was feeling that way during the during the tech patch.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Okay, so another big piece of news or a big result Mark Brisco finally got his win against MJF and they thought it couldn't happen

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[SPEAKER_00]: I love this never going to happen.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I love this match, by the way.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And I know that from a qualitative standpoint, more people are going to think that both the triple threat and the main event are better matches than this.

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[SPEAKER_03]: This one was my favorite of the night.

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[SPEAKER_03]: The story, Mark Briscoe, MJFS, the heel,

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[SPEAKER_03]: Now, I've also been very vocal about the fact that the tables and tax stipulation ruined my excitement a little bit before on paper, you know, before the show.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I still didn't love a lot of it, but what the thumbtacks did.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I think I did two things.

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[SPEAKER_03]: The tables and tax thing.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I think

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[SPEAKER_03]: It just made Mark Briscoe even more compelling than he is.

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[SPEAKER_03]: You saw him take all of those moves on the tax.

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[SPEAKER_03]: You saw him bleeding.

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[SPEAKER_03]: There was one moment where he's just bleeding like crazy.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And he kind of just smiles right into the camera.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Like a Mick Foley kind of thing that Mick would do.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And I like damn this guy such a great baby face.

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[SPEAKER_03]: But the second thing and I think this is pretty strategic is he called his shot

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[SPEAKER_03]: It gives MJF a little bit of an out and maybe they have another match at some point down line and MJF calls his shot for his match.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So I like that style of booking and I commend Tony and MJF and all the folks involved as far as setting that story.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And then the final spot of the match is he hits the Jade Ruler and is the Jade Ruler, right?

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, yeah, and then he called for the Jade River and then he hit it and then we're going to click like, oh my god, and then MJF being the The devil himself that he is, he sneaks over closer to the bottom rope and I admitted you thought

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[SPEAKER_03]: Oh man, they're going to break our hearts again, MJF's going to grab that bottom rope and then you can go in the match.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Nope.

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[SPEAKER_03]: It was just a tease.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Mark brisco wins that match.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So I thought that whole thing was brilliant.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Again, could they have done the same thing in an oral match, probably yes.

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[SPEAKER_03]: But the, the gimmick didn't hurt it as much as I thought it was going to hurt it in my opinion.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Now, this is just my opinion and sort of what I like about wrestling.

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[SPEAKER_03]: But man, I just, Mark Briscoe is the kind of wrestling character that still works with me in my, you know, my wrestling fandom of today.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So I just thought that was great stuff.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I'm with you on all of that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm going to talk about three quick things that might take place on this match that I really, really liked.

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[SPEAKER_00]: One, the tables and sometimes gimmick ensured that metaphorically speaking, and literally, you saw that Brisco was going to walk through hell for his brother, still.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Literally, just was absolutely ready to do that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's a good or the best distillation of what his character is and what he's willing to do and the length that he'll go in the ring is just far greater than everybody else.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Number two, I don't know.

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[SPEAKER_00]: the next time we're going to be in a situation where mjf loses to high profile matches like this back to back in a row in his court because he often the match in arena metricol gets mystico the night before and he loses this and a lot of the conversation was what

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[SPEAKER_00]: yet you don't see MJF losing to both of these matches and he's probably going to lose it again, Mystico, Ergo, people are drawing the conclusion, I get Frisco.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So this was the perfect night to do it because number one he has the out of, you know, going through that match and then flying to Toronto and doing all these things and, you know,

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[SPEAKER_00]: He can do the healing excuses, but it doesn't take away the first go one that match, clean.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The last thing that I want to compliment is the match was very simple in which MJF was doing the beat down for like the first five to six minutes, but that first flat back bump that he took after dishes out all the pain ignited that crowd and they never lost it from the time.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So you saw the Missico NMJM, actually, in fact, you just saw it minutes ago.

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[SPEAKER_03]: What would you think about it?

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[SPEAKER_00]: It was as good as that protest.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It was 18 minutes in which Mystico was bloodied within the first few minutes.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then the pace of it was basically Mystico overcoming all of the odds over and over and over again.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And that crowd arena, Mystico.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It absolutely made the match.

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[SPEAKER_00]: John Cruz was on the side of MJF, and Templario was the second Mystico.

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[SPEAKER_00]: guys, everything that you heard about that match is true.

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[SPEAKER_00]: If people want to say that mysticos, they're a wrestler of the year, they stalked this match.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not gonna argue it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It was as good as that, guys.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Okay, so let's move on.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Let's talk about some of the other stuff coming out of this show.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So, Pack is back.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Pack has been a wall from AEW television for quite a long time.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And there was a tease by ex-calibur who was talking about the deathwriters and Claudio Wheeler and Marina were out.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And he said, oh, you know, something about all the deathwriters are there.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And a lot of people were like, well, where's where's pack?

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[SPEAKER_03]: Like he's

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[SPEAKER_03]: you know, he's one of them and he's not there.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Does that mean he's gone?

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[SPEAKER_03]: What's going on?

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[SPEAKER_03]: And it was literally just a tease because Pax shows up at the end of this match as we think Darby is about to win.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And he throws Darby in the body bag and the John Moxley wins the match.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So you had

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[SPEAKER_03]: The return, and we'll talk about the other return in a second, but you had the return of PAC, which is a moment and this is something that AEW historically has been really good at creating interest in their television shows and in their product by returning people at the perfect at the pitch-perfect right time.

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[SPEAKER_03]: That was good for this.

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[SPEAKER_03]: That was a positive for this.

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[SPEAKER_03]: We'll talk a little bit about the match itself,

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[SPEAKER_03]: Pack returning.

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[SPEAKER_03]: What did you think about the way that they did it and also how they kind of tried to get us to pay attention to the idea that, oh yeah, pack is not there during the commentary.

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[SPEAKER_00]: When I saw pack.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The first thing was I thought like he lost something, you know, like whether it was the haircut or the outfit that he was wearing, like you still.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Pack.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But it just, it didn't quite hit me.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I didn't understand why that was.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I wasn't particularly upset that Darby was inevitably going to lose the match because I was thinking about it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, like Kim's thing came back in one brisco one there, his match, you know, at some point, one of these plucky baby faces from the upper mid-tard.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It wasn't going to be their number tonight.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so like, oh, okay, well, that made sense.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, we got, we got, we can mind that a little bit more.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I wanna see where they go with it because now that you have Daniel Garcia in there, now that, you know, who knows who's happening with Chris Stattlander and with Packback, that stables get in kind of big.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And the don't call us family, seems to be operating pretty well with the A-Large Stable, but that doesn't feel like quite the right vibe for the death writers.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, well, I have my own thoughts and stuff about that.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Well, we'll talk about that when we get to the match.

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[SPEAKER_03]: But let's so another piece of, if you mentioned it, Chris,

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[SPEAKER_03]: I thought it was flat.

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[SPEAKER_03]: It was one of those unexpected out of nowhere moments that I don't think hit with this live crowd and it didn't hit at home either.

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[SPEAKER_03]: That was kind of the prevailing thought in our discord.

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[SPEAKER_03]: However, you didn't hate it.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Now, I think you're kind of looking forward to at the possible story, but to me, Tony Storm is your biggest star, maybe in the company, but at least on the women's side.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And when she loses that title, it should really mean something.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And this is not really anything against Chris Statlin or other than maybe her creative has been so up and down in her AEW history.

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[SPEAKER_03]: It did not feel like it was the right time for that to happen and it could they could have built towards it in a different way and I may have a different feeling about that.

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[SPEAKER_03]: But in a Rando for way.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Where Tony stormed the baby face calls for the match.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So now she looks like an idiot and she loses to.

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[SPEAKER_03]: probably.

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[SPEAKER_03]: If not the least over character right now, um, at least the second from the from the bottom, depending on what you think of Hader, I know she's got this ongoing story with the death writers that seems just to be going on forever and ever and ever, so maybe this is finally a,

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[SPEAKER_03]: a sign that we're going to actually get some movement on that storyline, she's got this thing with Willow that again seems to be going on forever and ever and ever and ever, so maybe we get a little bit of an update on that as well and if so fine, but I think they should have done those things beforehand to make her character hotter, so it didn't feel like such a flat finish when you beat the the biggest star in that division.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I, I know they'd all of that, you know, like, there was a little bit of like, this came out of nowhere.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They were discussing all these things, you know, like keeping the death writer, some plot of life with Chris Statlander and the Jamie haters, that was stuff like they had all these little threads.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But the finish came out of completely less fuel.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like nobody was really expecting that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And that's good in that bad because we got a flat finish that no one was expecting and we got a lot of confusion.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I do remember when Chris that winter came back from injury and immediately pinned Jay Cargill and won that TBS title and it was a huge baby face victory.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And there could have been real shades of that if they decided to do that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, you know, like having her win the title with the help of the death writer is this paper view.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Net's paper view being Tony Storm vs Chris Stoutlander and her joining the death writer is so immense it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That brings more women up to the level of Tony Storm if the match is good and we've been talking about

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[SPEAKER_00]: How can we get more women at a higher level so that it's not just Tony Storm and Mercedes-Mode, having these semi-main potentially main talking about that main eventing these shows?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Chris that Lantern will owe night and gale to me or the next one's on that tier and this to me looks like the vehicle to get them to have their big main event role title match in which they finally arrive.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, the thing that they've been dancing around for the last

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[SPEAKER_00]: two or three years between their feuding, their frenemies, the stoke we time, you know the Harley time, this starts putting in that direction and we hopefully will have you know a women's continental classic in the future and if you have Tony Storm chasing the title rather than having the title that introduces way more interesting elements in which Tony can be driver of the story that we don't.

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[SPEAKER_00]: normally have.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And the only other thing that I have to add would be, it was a random for me, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: that we've done a title change in a Rando for a way on a paper view, you've kind of set the precedent where you can immediately rule out that a champion is just going to retain in a four way.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And for that, I kind of like that they did it like that because there's a lot of time, you're just like, oh, well, it's not a big deal.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They're open to making a random decision like this, whether it's good or bad.

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[SPEAKER_03]: uh okay so then uh other couple of pieces of news and then we'll we'll go through the matches.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So Beth Phoenix made her AEW debut as Beth Copeland.

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[SPEAKER_03]: She helped get rid of Stokely in the opener.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Stokely pulled the referee out in the spot in uh that that I hate the most in wrestling matches.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Obviously was not a DQ pulled the referee out and he was making a count.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Both companies do this.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I hate it every single time.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Beth comes out to grab Stokely, gives him a spear, puts him on her shoulders and carries him out of the ring, and then after the match, as the baby faces are getting beat up here, she comes back, and there's this uh-oh moment where Beth is all by herself because Copeland

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[SPEAKER_03]: And she looks and it's like, oh, man.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And she kisses Adam as if to say I love you.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And I may not get out of this thing alive.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And she starts throwing blows at these dudes.

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[SPEAKER_03]: That part was great.

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[SPEAKER_03]: The arguable part and I'm sure this will be very polarizing is they then give her a spike.

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[SPEAKER_03]: pile driver and actually that's how they got Christian out of it.

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[SPEAKER_03]: They Christian was not handcuffed.

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[SPEAKER_03]: They also had given Christian a spike a pile driver's way.

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[SPEAKER_03]: He was out of it.

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[SPEAKER_03]: She then also got spike a spike pile driver.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So this was the kickoff match to this show, by the way, and you already had the, you know, the woman going out on the stretcher gimmick.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So that was, I saw a lot of people didn't like that.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I understood it.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I didn't think it was great or necessary.

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[SPEAKER_03]: But what it did was it set up the next match for them to do and it's not like unless they try and add stoke to the match and then Beth to the match as well.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know if I want to see that necessarily, but this feud must continue based off of this angle.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So Beth Copeland is in.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I haven't seen the graphic yet if she's going to get the all elite graphic.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It was great when she came out.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I personally had zero issues with her taking the spike pile driver because the way that she was portrayed, the way that she carried herself, and the way that the other wrestlers responded to her, made her feel like a dominant physical force, rather than like

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[SPEAKER_00]: the damn cool and distress, you know, like, this wasn't someone coming after her and like trying to chase her down and hurt her.

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[SPEAKER_00]: She was like, no, I'm going, I'm going to fight these mothers.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm at, I may go down, but no one's going to stop.

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[SPEAKER_00]: No, you don't want to be like, this was all her on her own agency.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And when it's their own agency, I'm willing to look at it and think like,

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, yeah.

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[SPEAKER_03]: No, I hear you.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I hear you.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Like I said, it's going to be polarizing.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I've seen I've seen lots of people who didn't like it and some people who thought of it.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Good storytelling.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_03]: The last thing that we'll add and then we'll go through the matches is Jack Perry is back and they really went back in time with this one.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, did they?

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[SPEAKER_03]: So at the end of the the latter match.

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[SPEAKER_03]: the bucks were in the ring.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Jack Perry showed up.

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[SPEAKER_03]: He started fighting them and then he takes a double superkick and he's knocked out.

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[SPEAKER_03]: They're about to give him the, uh, what was it?

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[SPEAKER_03]: The former VIP trigger, M&EVP trigger, which is now, I guess, the being the elite trigger.

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[SPEAKER_03]: What is the

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[SPEAKER_03]: and so they're about to do it and then a video plays.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So I guess the video stopped them from moving like maybe it was like freeze tag like once the video started they had to freeze.

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[SPEAKER_03]: and it was a video of Jack Perry with his Frankenstein's monster of luchosaurus who dropped the kill switch belt and his back to being luchosaurus that came in for the safe.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So I'm assuming that's the direction that they're moving for the near future, which is jungle boy and luchosaurus.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Now I like jungle boy, Jack Perry.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I like Jack Perry being back.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I thought he got railroaded unnecessarily, I didn't want them to turn back the clock on this one because it almost feels like all of the stuff that he did to try and build himself up to be a solo star, which you can admit that it didn't work.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm totally fine with that.

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[SPEAKER_03]: But you can also try to rev on it.

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[SPEAKER_03]: You can try to do some things.

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[SPEAKER_03]: They went back to

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[SPEAKER_03]: the cheat code of let's do something that the fans actually liked even if it's a step back for him.

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[SPEAKER_03]: But we'll see, maybe maybe a feud with the box is all that he needs to kind of get back on his feet.

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[SPEAKER_03]: The baby face thing is probably going to be better for him too.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I just didn't like seeing them go back to something that previously worked because he was trying to do something else and it's kind of like an admission of failure.

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[SPEAKER_03]: But anyways, what did you think about Jack Perry's return?

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[SPEAKER_00]: I thought that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They laid the groundwork pretty cleverly because do you remember the video patches they did when Tillslet came back last month where he was being revived and kind of, yeah, kind of.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It was the same footage that they used in this one.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It was just extended.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It was the same arm in, like, activating and doing the shot and doing all that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I remember looking at the

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[SPEAKER_00]: So they're doing the whole thing and to me, I think that they're going to go a little bit back on jungle boy, but I don't think they're going to do the jungle boy part.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think there might be a bit of honoring J.R.

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[SPEAKER_00]: and just calling him jungle jack Perry and kind of doing more of a monster hunter gimmick.

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[SPEAKER_00]: because he was on Instagram this past week, you know, forging knives and like doing the whole thing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And when you saw on his side, he had the knife pouch like the knife holster on his side.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So if he's jungle jackberry, you can more or less portray him and it's like a hunter type, which if better than being like,

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[SPEAKER_00]: young Tarzan of the job.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know what I mean?

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm like, you take, you take whatever house of torture nest that he has, you know, like that kind of scalping mentality that they they try to employ there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And you give him a little bit of an edge.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I think you can go forward with this, even though you're going backwards a lot.

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[SPEAKER_03]: By the way, shout out to Fernando who's always hanging out with us on those recap shows shout out to Fernando.

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[SPEAKER_03]: All right.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So that was what I would consider the major news coming out of this show.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So what we'll give some quick thoughts on some of these matches.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Edge and Christian against FTR open the show.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Now, I was kind of perturbed by how they started this paper view with.

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[SPEAKER_03]: comedy hour with E and C like I'm like what the hell is this?

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[SPEAKER_03]: They were walking in the locker room or in the in the back and you know they saw an old school hockey player who they loved who I'm guessing

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[SPEAKER_03]: 1% of the viewing audience maybe would have known who that hockey player was.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I know the name.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm not a big hockey fan.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I know the name, but because I'm a sports fan.

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[SPEAKER_03]: But that was interesting.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And then who was the dude that was in the back?

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[SPEAKER_00]: That you have a bottle cap glasses from Traver Park Boys.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't remember.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, Traver.

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[SPEAKER_03]: trailer park boys.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So another really super niche kind of old reference, Canadian.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And so like my my thought was like you want to show that to the live crowd.

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[SPEAKER_03]: They will absolutely eat that up.

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[SPEAKER_03]: You show that on our paper view.

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[SPEAKER_03]: This is not regional territorial wrestling, right?

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[SPEAKER_03]: This is a national product.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And if you're going to bring in pop culture folks, you should bring in pop culture folks that the majority of your audience is going to understand instead it felt like goofy edge and Christian stuff from back in the day.

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[SPEAKER_03]: and I didn't like that at all.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So it was like, oh gosh, they're already doing this dumb stuff.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Because this match and the promo that Adam Copeland cut on Dynamite to tell us about the importance of this match and why it's it's a, you know, an opportunity for FTR to show if they really truly are the best.

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[SPEAKER_03]: It's like, yeah, how about we take this match serious instead of doing comedy

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[SPEAKER_03]: I thought the match was a lot of fun.

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[SPEAKER_03]: It was an old school style tag team match, thankfully, because we had a lot of stuff that was new school and multi-person and gimmicks and everything else.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So this was a throwback, which I enjoyed.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I liked the style, I liked that style match.

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[SPEAKER_03]: The finish came off a little flat.

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[SPEAKER_03]: It was just edge with a spear and Christian.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Christian holding one of the, I forgot, I forget which person got speared in which person Christian held back to not be able to interfere.

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[SPEAKER_03]: But good kickoff, it wasn't the best match between these teams.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm sure when when they have another match, it'll be even more serious.

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[SPEAKER_03]: It'll be even even better.

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[SPEAKER_03]: There will be more stakes.

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[SPEAKER_03]: This was kind of the intro to that.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So I was totally fine with that.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Good kickoff to the paper view.

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[SPEAKER_03]: The hometown heroes, you know, got the W and then we got to see the return of Beth Phoenix as Beth Copeland.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So all of that stuff was good.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I thought it was a very solid way to debut or to kick off this new AEW paper view on Macs.

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[SPEAKER_03]: What were your thoughts on the opener?

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[SPEAKER_00]: I was definitely thrown off by bubbles from the trailer park boys and the green bastard because I'm like why why is this happening here and by the time the match was over I completely forgot about it and you mentioned that the finish was really flat, but the fact that they decided that they were going to in fact run this back a couple more times of leads.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It made for a lot more sense.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You can't really have that concludes the finish.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And for the match itself, I've had this a couple of times when it comes to edging Christian or out of Copeland and Christian, and remember they do some of these matches, it feels like they've been dreaming of these matches, their entire lives, and they're finally getting to like, you know, like, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know,

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[SPEAKER_00]: get it out of their system.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like they're indulgent in a way that's almost charming because you just you've been on this journey with them for so long that it feels like it's part of your journey too.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But you run a risk of people doing this that don't have the kind of affinity and

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[SPEAKER_00]: It can be tricky if you kind of go down that a bit too much, but FTR and the and Copeland and Christian are some of the best tag team in the world.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, this was just a really great opener that almost took the WWE style from them for for the beginning of the match.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Okay, here's a not serious question, but I mentioned what you think.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Adam Copeland's go to line right now is he's an asshole, but he's my asshole.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Is that working?

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[SPEAKER_03]: Is it cute?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, like

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[SPEAKER_00]: When the entire arena yelled, he's our asshole about Christian and the dude could not hide the smile on his face.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It was just one of those like, you know, the guys are workshopping all of these ideas and they're just loving that the audience is just playing along with it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: If not, it's not going to change the company, it's not going to change the business, but it is allowing the fans to just have a really good time with an act that they know is going to be a rock forever.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, yeah.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, at some point, do you think Christian Christian completely turns?

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[SPEAKER_03]: Baby, yes.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, you've got to do the hug, you know, like where every match that they win, like Christians, like a little more okay with the hug, and they're going to come a point probably.

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[SPEAKER_00]: after the FTR thing is over and the Nick Wayne stuff is over and all that stuff and they you know maybe go for that one big run for the titles.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I hope that's what they do.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like I'm there for that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know what I mean?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like that just sounds like the butchered Sundance long last ride.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like I'm okay with that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm more okay with those doing it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: then really the hearty use and the doubly and a lot of these other like tag teams that are hanging on for a while.

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[SPEAKER_03]: They can yeah, and they can clearly move better than those other teams.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I'm just watching them and I'm like, no, I'm here for this.

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[SPEAKER_00]: This field, right, this field.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I agree, I just feel a little more authentic.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Do you think WWE has copyright or trademark on the five second pose or could they do that in a on a show?

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think if they called it something different and just like a five-second countdown, you know, instead of a five-second post, they can watch.

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[SPEAKER_03]: But could they do the flash photography thing, even the nobody actually has flash flash cameras?

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think that you can because you have to exercise like using these things.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like you can't just let it sit dormant forever.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know what I mean, like you have to show Quarantent to like keep this in perpetuity, and I haven't seen them like injured any control over like the five second pose or even like showed a sample of it being in use in the last 20 years.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I'm just very interested to to see how much they redo of their original stick.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, but you know what they should do, you know what they should do?

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[SPEAKER_03]: Because I don't know if it's Kurt Lett is Kurt Engel on the legends deal.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I believe so.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So you can't bring them in.

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[SPEAKER_03]: But that's what they've that I was going to say.

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[SPEAKER_03]: They should bring it and bring it curtain do the whole the whole thing with the homies again.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I would love a little could do action, but I don't know.

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[SPEAKER_03]: All right.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So the second match and I think we all kind of thought that this was maybe the week is match on the entire show was Big Bill and Brett kind of out came Brian Keith with Big Bill against

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[SPEAKER_03]: It was, I think I'm very,

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[SPEAKER_03]: comfortable in my original thought and you know I'm not saying oh this was the wrong thing to do whatever and I'm right but my original thought was you can use Eddie Kingston in a much better way it maybe in one of the ways that they use Jack Perry or they use Beth Phoenix in like that surprise way you could have used Eddie maybe in that John Moxley match um you know but I guess you

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[SPEAKER_03]: Eddie should be a bigger deal than just being in an, you know, in a randomly announced match on the second show like his return he's been gone for so long.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And the match wasn't great.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Tony Shavani absolutely missed called the finish.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Eddie Kingston whipped on a spinning back fist in Tony Shavani said that he actually missed it.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And then

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[SPEAKER_03]: He pinned him.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So should I. I like to get on Shivani's case because I don't think he's very good.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm not going to fully.

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[SPEAKER_03]: be too upset with him for that, because he did not connect with that thing.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I just don't think Tony thought that that would lead to the finish.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I thought he probably thought that it was going to be the finish.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, you know, one of thinking that this was going to be the end of the match.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And he probably thought that in this day and age with per wrestling, the wrestlers themselves know that it didn't hit.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And so they could have audible to stand up one more time and do it, but they didn't.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So he kind of look foolish

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[SPEAKER_03]: And yeah, but that was really what the match was just any doing a bunch of spinning back fists and big bill doing like athletic Kevin Nash stuff and that was the match and it was just it just sort of existed and it left you go and like Is that all this was for like we could have done this in a different way, but hey, you know, you're not going to hit on everything.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Do you think it would have been better if Big Bill had done an open challenge at 2300 the 2300 arena and talking down as a opponent and any key to come out as we complete surprise you do the same match but the shock and the realization of any key to them being there is like that's for you

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think it's a page of Eddie showing up and then the match not being up to like what people were hoping I think had a cross effect I think the way that it's okay, so if we think about where they got so we didn't even talk with this part, but hook comes out to save Eddie from the two on one and

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[SPEAKER_03]: I think it was on Wednesday or the previous one.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Stay, hook did his promo saying like, okay, now I understand the semua with Joe thing.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I get it why they replace me and maybe it's time to go on my own or maybe it's not dot dot dot.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And so this is his not going on his own.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So that we know that the T's was for hook to have Eddie as his second, I wonder maybe if it would have been better.

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[SPEAKER_03]: for it to have been big bill against hook and then you win when you get right let's say big bill even wins and then he's getting double team and then you bring Eddie in to save hook.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I think that would have been way better than what we got but then you would have had to see hook Russell and I don't know who wants to see hook Russell on a paper view at this point because he's he's a bit

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[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know, cold.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I guess, cold is the right word.

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[SPEAKER_03]: His music sucks.

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[SPEAKER_00]: By the way, he is a presentation of temp.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So, but they still, they're doing something with him in that.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Something is Eddie Kingston.

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[SPEAKER_03]: You know what's interesting about this is usually the old guy.

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[SPEAKER_03]: When you pair up the old guy with the young guy, some of it is to

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[SPEAKER_03]: The pairing is really to freshen up hook by using the old guy, which is kind of an interesting thing.

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[SPEAKER_03]: But I think Fernando in the chat and shout out to Maria Graciela, who is in the chat as well.

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[SPEAKER_03]: They do have a lot of tag teams right now.

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[SPEAKER_03]: If you think of who they brought back and you can put hook in any Kingston,

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[SPEAKER_03]: And so we haven't talked about this yet, but Tony Conne is going to have a Wednesday announcement.

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[SPEAKER_03]: If I can let's can I find the ground of the major announcement.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Today's been one of the greatest days in the history of AEW.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Hope he says that to I hope he says that to start the, so start in the announcement.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe we're getting a new men's belt of some kind of kiss.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Well, I can't tell you about what it could be.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And another, we thought maybe it could be a women's tag team division or tag team tire.

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[SPEAKER_03]: That could be something.

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[SPEAKER_03]: He's been asked about the women's continental classic.

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[SPEAKER_03]: We, we, we've heard his answer on that, uh, qualifier for the 32.

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[SPEAKER_03]: We asked Dave about that.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Dave thought it was a little early for that.

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[SPEAKER_03]: What if we brought in

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[SPEAKER_03]: made this comment on different podcasts.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Because we have all of these tag teams, have we we create the 20, 25 version of the crocket cup, the sheet on cup, and you bring in some teams from New Japan, you bring in some teams from CMLL, you have the stacked tag team division, and

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[SPEAKER_03]: And you have, because you have your unified championship for that style of tournament, you could also do something with tag teams and you can have a cup in this sense where, you know, the winners get their cup and then the next year, they give the cup back just like a hawk

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[SPEAKER_03]: And then, you do the tournament that way.

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[SPEAKER_03]: That's something that I would love, but at the same time, I was stuck with Crocodile.

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[SPEAKER_03]: It was really cool and a cool idea.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_03]: But they only did it for a few years.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Let me ask you this, if you, if they were to do this, would you rather that the final match be something that has already been like teased and built up like say like it's an intersection for FTR and Copeland and Christian to meet.

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[SPEAKER_00]: like for all the marbles in the end or would you do something where this is how you get like the young bucks versus Copeland and Christian in the end was like two tag teams that you've always wanted to see with each other and this is how they get to it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know what I mean like what would you rather do?

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[SPEAKER_03]: I would I would book

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[SPEAKER_03]: I would set the brackets up so that whatever money matches you think you have in the tournament that you would get them no matter what.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And then by the time you got to the final one, maybe if you tell the stories very well in a tournament like that.

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[SPEAKER_03]: then you're creating matches that people are like, oh my gosh, I never thought that I'd really want to see that and you can kind of build that and then maybe you get like a fresh match.

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[SPEAKER_03]: You know, because there is, there is a variable in tournaments, right?

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[SPEAKER_03]: Like sometimes you can create a tournament and you're like, yeah, that's what I thought was going to happen.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And other times you're like, oh my gosh, that there's an upset here, you know, NCAA tournament, Tony's his sports fan.

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[SPEAKER_03]: He, you know, he knows.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So yeah, I think there's just so many,

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[SPEAKER_03]: Uh, now the detriment to this is people will say, oh my god, another turn.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, we just have turned them and I've turned them, but at least much like the C2 and I guess to an extent the Owen those sometimes I, I feel like the Owen brackets are kind of lame.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Um, but at least you would get.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Uh, you would get some, you would have to make it like every possible tag team.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And it would have to dominate your TV.

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[SPEAKER_03]: It doesn't mean that we have to do it now, by the way, because we do have the continental classic coming, but I would love to see him think out of the box in that way, because one of the things that we've always talked about with the creation of AEW now six years ago, uh, is that can a tag team match be the main event of your show?

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[SPEAKER_03]: and with the young bucks and with FTR and with Kenny Omega and Hangman Page.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I can't remember, there's actually been a tag team match made of ending, the Lucha Bros.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Like, just the idea of, like, let's focus on this men's tag team division.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And then you can let, you know, in the women's side, you can just make more singles programs for the women.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I just think there's a uniqueness that they could do that.

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[SPEAKER_03]: WWE would not dare, right?

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[SPEAKER_03]: If we're trying to be different, like WWE just would not dare putting together something like the C2, they would not dare putting something together,

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[SPEAKER_03]: Crocodacup style tournament because they wouldn't take it seriously and they wouldn't want to beat anybody and they wouldn't know how to get get out of certain things so that's just something that was on my mind.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I don't think it's that

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[SPEAKER_03]: It could be, you know, resigning somebody like maybe Chris Jericho, we talked about that today at Dave's house about whether or not Jericho would have been a great surprise at the end.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So there's a bunch of things that they can do, but I am interested.

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[SPEAKER_03]: One of the other things someone said, or I think it actually Dave that mentioned it.

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[SPEAKER_03]: You know, is it announcing that you're running head to head against Russell Mania two years out?

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[SPEAKER_03]: I don't think it would be that.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Because there's a lot of stuff that could happen in two years.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, you're walking yourself into a date.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You really don't need to be doing right now.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, you could make that decision down the line.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So, all right, so the third match, MJF Mark Briscoe, we talked about this for the most part.

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[SPEAKER_03]: We don't have to stay on this one too long.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I think we've seen so many matches with thumbtacks in the last two or three years that the effect of them has we were maybe a little bit more numb to the idea of thumbtacks than we were, you know, when Mick Foley and broader mallet where does like, oh no, Randy Orton's going to go through tax.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I can't believe it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like you'd be sitting on the couch and you'd feel them like you'd watch him hit the tats and you'd with yourself off of the couch cushion just in like like that that empathic shock.

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[SPEAKER_03]: You know, yeah, yeah, exactly.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And now we've seen so many of them.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, we've seen moxley flat back bump on a bed of nails.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_03]: like.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So to that extent, you know, maybe the tax aren't really as big of a deal anymore, because you know, they once you see them take the bomb like.

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[SPEAKER_03]: bump after bump after bump and there was even, you know, Mark Briscoe taken him right to the head, the top of his head and they're sticking in his head.

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[SPEAKER_03]: You know, they just became a story telling device at some point.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So I was totally fine with them as the match is going, but if the match wasn't as good, I probably wouldn't have been as fine with them.

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[SPEAKER_03]: They probably would have been a bit of a distraction.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I, there are certain elements to magically like barbed wire and tats and sometimes you do the broken glass that it's like you're already going to an outcome and a direction in this match that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, just it's not for me so I'm just like I'm here for the ride and I know that there are other people that just go nuts for it, but like I just I died.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's just not like I could go pay for you without a hard core match and not even making conversation about like, you know, that's not our core match like, but they do it in every AEW pay for you.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You need to get your $50 worth.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Now more than ever, they're going to make sure that you're getting every bit of your $50 spend.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I just, I accepted to move on rather than

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[SPEAKER_03]: both people going.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Briscoe cut a promo teasing the return of Orange Cassidy in a match against the Don Callous family on Dynamite.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So they've already set that up for Dynamite.

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[SPEAKER_03]: What does MJF do next?

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think MJF start rebuilding his win-loss category in the positive and he still got that contract with for the title match with Hangman.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So you know that they're going to be building him back

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, build himself up and then he's got a, you know, announced that he's going for the title at some point.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So there's a groundwork to be laid there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I do think that even though Mark Brisco one, MJF is still going to end up being the bigger star moving forward.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And Brisco, maybe, maybe a single title like the TNT Championship against Kyle Fletcher at some point.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But I'm just going to be in world title fields.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't see mark risk going to world title fields.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I'm kind of in, I'm very intrigued now, you know, you have this idea of wrestler of the year.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And I don't generally vote in the wrestling observer awards because I don't keep a good track record of all of the stuff.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So when the time comes for me to vote, I just am like doing so much trying to figure, I'm going to try to remember stuff.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And it's, you know, I do podcast for the website, so I kind of am comfortable going like, okay, I don't have to, you know, not, not, not, not, you know, when you have some relationships in the business, like there's a thing where, you know, I'm like, okay, I'm fine not voting in this thing.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Um, I think my own now, Missco, I did so hang man on the WWE side, depending on what you value, you know, there's some, there's a couple of decent contenders.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm I'm going with this based on whose matches do I look forward to and enjoy the most because it's kind of the total package right now.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I don't, I don't know if I would have ever said this.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I think my favorite actual entering wrestler in wrestling right now is MJF.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I get it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like he is his own wrestler.

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[SPEAKER_00]: with his own unique skill set, but he has taken from the best in the business.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like I'm watching him and I see the Ric Flair in the entrance, you know, like just the way that he carries himself like a super star, you know, like all the pores around him kind of day.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And when he's in the ring, he's deliberate,

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[SPEAKER_00]: and he's calculated, but he's also very efficient with what he does in the written, like he doesn't do five moves and three moves will do the trick, like he's incredibly efficient and also very compelling.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I've had my issue with MJF and the

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[SPEAKER_00]: to the things that he feels are safe in order to, you know, maintain his persona and his aura.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's not what happened this weekend.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, like he elevated himself and he elevated his opponents.

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[SPEAKER_00]: because he did more than he normally does and going back back that dude has got to be exhausted based on what I saw him pull off and they had a blood loss that he had over two days that he's definitely ain't wrestling on one tail.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm going to guess that his wife did the majority of the wedding planning because that was also a thing that recently happened to him.

59:16.787 --> 59:19.628
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, he's got to go back and film.

59:19.668 --> 59:20.888
[SPEAKER_00]: We still haven't had a honeymoon.

59:20.908 --> 59:25.109
[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe it's getting honeymoon now after the beating he took in these two matches.

59:25.770 --> 59:27.690
[SPEAKER_00]: But no, I completely get it.

59:27.710 --> 59:36.253
[SPEAKER_00]: He is a glue that is keeping a major part of the wrestling world together if you think.

59:37.693 --> 59:37.853
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

59:39.288 --> 59:47.173
[SPEAKER_03]: All right, so then the next match was the Hertz and the kit against the against geo and ricochet.

59:47.233 --> 59:50.555
[SPEAKER_03]: I guess together, they were called the demand.

59:50.975 --> 59:51.936
[SPEAKER_03]: Is that right.

59:52.476 --> 59:54.137
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, what upsets here on cage patch.

59:54.858 --> 59:58.660
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh my gosh, um, don't have a lift up demand.

59:58.800 --> 01:00:01.061
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know don't like that name.

01:00:01.502 --> 01:00:02.923
[SPEAKER_03]: Don't like the vision either.

01:00:03.243 --> 01:00:06.044
[SPEAKER_03]: So these a lot of these names are not hidden with me.

01:00:07.793 --> 01:00:21.265
[SPEAKER_03]: Uh, so this match was really about getting G-O-A over to an extent because they are, you know, anybody with the Hertz and the kit has been coming up in second place of late.

01:00:22.706 --> 01:00:27.230
[SPEAKER_03]: And it's not like the Hertz and the kit was like, hey, we're putting these guys over, but

01:00:28.303 --> 01:00:32.928
[SPEAKER_03]: Because GOA is so physical, you can kind of see it, right?

01:00:32.968 --> 01:00:42.777
[SPEAKER_03]: You can kind of see it to where these dudes can hit two, these dudes are bruising, these dudes are buffed out, like, you know, that they can compete.

01:00:44.099 --> 01:00:46.901
[SPEAKER_03]: The two variables were Ricochet and MVP.

01:00:47.762 --> 01:00:49.304
[SPEAKER_03]: And MVP comes into the smatch.

01:00:51.155 --> 01:00:54.157
[SPEAKER_03]: MVP was like, this is back in 2005, man.

01:00:54.338 --> 01:00:57.220
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm like, I'm like the new SmackDown star.

01:00:58.181 --> 01:01:00.342
[SPEAKER_03]: You know, you know, and that's how he was wrestling it.

01:01:00.382 --> 01:01:02.844
[SPEAKER_03]: Like he was the strong, you know, the strong style.

01:01:02.884 --> 01:01:04.425
[SPEAKER_03]: That was who he was in this match.

01:01:05.046 --> 01:01:06.767
[SPEAKER_03]: And then he had, he has the bad knees.

01:01:06.807 --> 01:01:08.889
[SPEAKER_03]: So they used that as the story till in device.

01:01:08.929 --> 01:01:15.054
[SPEAKER_03]: And then Ricochet comes in and he sees Shelton who's very put together and he does the fake traps thing.

01:01:16.175 --> 01:01:19.417
[SPEAKER_03]: And it was funny, but I made the comment.

01:01:21.409 --> 01:01:31.395
[SPEAKER_03]: We have a manager in this match and yet Ricochet is wrestling like a normal manager historically would in a match like this.

01:01:31.615 --> 01:01:33.516
[SPEAKER_03]: So I didn't like that at all, actually.

01:01:33.576 --> 01:01:46.184
[SPEAKER_03]: I thought, I'm like, dude, you're supposed to be one of the, you know, one of the, you were in the main event in the Tokyo Dome last year, like you shouldn't be, you know, you shouldn't be that character in this match.

01:01:46.584 --> 01:01:50.967
[SPEAKER_03]: I know some people are entertained by it, which is fine, like I'm sure he's having a blast.

01:01:51.815 --> 01:01:54.636
[SPEAKER_03]: But then he did eventually get the pin on MVP.

01:01:54.657 --> 01:01:56.157
[SPEAKER_03]: So the right outcome happened.

01:01:57.238 --> 01:02:04.261
[SPEAKER_03]: And, but, you know, Lashley and his Shelton still have not lost as a team, which is whatever that story is.

01:02:04.322 --> 01:02:07.263
[SPEAKER_03]: But I thought this was pretty good.

01:02:07.443 --> 01:02:07.983
[SPEAKER_03]: I enjoyed it.

01:02:08.023 --> 01:02:08.704
[SPEAKER_03]: I was entertained.

01:02:08.724 --> 01:02:10.965
[SPEAKER_03]: I was very sports entertained by this match.

01:02:11.925 --> 01:02:12.706
[SPEAKER_00]: I liked it a lot.

01:02:12.846 --> 01:02:14.107
[SPEAKER_00]: I felt that

01:02:15.467 --> 01:02:26.338
[SPEAKER_00]: We were talking like, if they're wanting to close the door on the story that they did last year with Ricochet getting punked out by MVP, Ricochet should get the pin on MVP and we can all move on.

01:02:36.008 --> 01:02:42.230
[SPEAKER_00]: Ricochet and if anyone wants to perceive them as a geek because they got, you know, they got the thing on him.

01:02:42.650 --> 01:02:50.592
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, now he's turned it around and he's got that win and his guys beat their three guys and, you know, the perception is there.

01:02:50.992 --> 01:02:55.653
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm totally fine with Ricochet being like the chicken shit, like,

01:02:56.673 --> 01:03:14.631
[SPEAKER_00]: with a heel hiding behind if too heavy and like coming off a little bit like a manager and a result of that because we got him, he you went out there and he tried to puff up his chest and that when he went up and get Bobby actually, he knows the role that he's tying to play and he's got the right guys with him.

01:03:15.352 --> 01:03:18.015
[SPEAKER_00]: The only thing that I think of is what I look at this match is like

01:03:20.392 --> 01:03:38.049
[SPEAKER_00]: We're getting to a point with the hurts in the kit where there's not a whole lot left to do with them because they're losing Matt because again, people that they kind of develop stories with, you know, when they got here and if they're wrapping up those stories, not really second round work for new stories, are these guys sticking around?

01:03:39.510 --> 01:03:39.851
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know.

01:03:40.592 --> 01:03:44.936
[SPEAKER_03]: If they don't, I don't think it's a giant loss, but

01:03:46.130 --> 01:03:56.117
[SPEAKER_03]: If you can figure out what to do with them, maybe they could be a little bit more valuable, but there's also the whole, you know, how hard is it to book them that that whole part.

01:03:56.557 --> 01:04:00.820
[SPEAKER_03]: I just also wanted to shout out Andreves Gaming who is in the chat as well.

01:04:02.032 --> 01:04:07.659
[SPEAKER_03]: Um, okay, so then we had, uh, from what I was to guess before the main event.

01:04:07.699 --> 01:04:09.161
[SPEAKER_03]: This was Dave Meltzer's fair match.

01:04:09.441 --> 01:04:17.090
[SPEAKER_03]: Uh, Kuzuch Kukata, uh, Kino's get to catch the, uh, and Mascara Dorada in a triple threat for the United title.

01:04:18.051 --> 01:04:41.820
[SPEAKER_03]: And this was a match designed to tell the Okada and to cash it a story, which Don callous tried to tell as to cash it a and Okada are so competitive, because to cash it a is the junior of Okada and he is the young boy, but they didn't, did they have a relationship in Japan?

01:04:47.970 --> 01:04:49.331
[SPEAKER_00]: like negative.

01:04:49.732 --> 01:04:55.736
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, okay, that's what I thought, you know, I didn't, I don't remember hearing anything about them having a relationship.

01:04:56.036 --> 01:04:58.438
[SPEAKER_00]: I was like, that is the biggest crock of crap.

01:04:59.356 --> 01:05:16.186
[SPEAKER_03]: So, but that was the stories that you have two Japanese wrestlers in your stable, one is an all-time great, and one is a great person who's kind of on the rise, and then the other story they were trying to tell was one of Masqueradrada.

01:05:16.206 --> 01:05:26.712
[SPEAKER_03]: This was his chance to kind of get on the map in a very big way in the, you know, in AEW, and as I'm watching this match, you know, Dave's going crazy for all

01:05:29.595 --> 01:05:33.157
[SPEAKER_03]: And I'm going to like, wow, you know, he, Dorada is right with these guys.

01:05:33.317 --> 01:05:35.578
[SPEAKER_03]: Like they're, they're creating this match also.

01:05:36.019 --> 01:05:37.659
[SPEAKER_03]: So that he is right with them.

01:05:37.719 --> 01:05:43.402
[SPEAKER_03]: So that he is looking fantastic and he's doing his part, hitting on everything, he's not screwing anything up.

01:05:43.463 --> 01:05:44.523
[SPEAKER_03]: It's all fast.

01:05:45.043 --> 01:05:46.484
[SPEAKER_03]: He's on his, he's on the ball.

01:05:47.665 --> 01:05:52.527
[SPEAKER_03]: And I'm thinking like, okay, let's say that we just made a new star.

01:05:52.727 --> 01:05:56.489
[SPEAKER_03]: Let's say that that happened on the television show, on this paper view.

01:06:00.613 --> 01:06:01.713
[SPEAKER_03]: What happens on Wednesday?

01:06:02.333 --> 01:06:03.774
[SPEAKER_03]: How do you take advantage of this?

01:06:04.154 --> 01:06:20.977
[SPEAKER_03]: Because my worry, and it is a lack of faith in Tony Khan, in Tony Khan style of booking, I worry that they're not gonna follow up on it, and it's gonna be Dorada in on collision in a six man.

01:06:21.037 --> 01:06:26.438
[SPEAKER_03]: It's gonna be Dorada on, you know, in an all-star tag on dynamite.

01:06:26.478 --> 01:06:28.758
[SPEAKER_03]: Like, how do you tell this story

01:06:30.005 --> 01:06:40.111
[SPEAKER_03]: of this young wrestler who just had a fantastic match in his kind of like open eyes to people who, you know, they, they seen them before, but they didn't know he was like this.

01:06:40.131 --> 01:06:44.474
[SPEAKER_03]: It's not like he's going to be able to cut promos in in English.

01:06:44.734 --> 01:06:47.496
[SPEAKER_03]: He's not aligned necessarily with anybody.

01:06:48.316 --> 01:06:54.620
[SPEAKER_03]: So what do you do creatively to make sure that he is leveled up because that seemed to be the goal of this match.

01:06:57.369 --> 01:07:01.772
[SPEAKER_00]: I think that he made a name for himself 1,000 percent.

01:07:02.333 --> 01:07:12.060
[SPEAKER_00]: I think that name is probably going to have to stay on people's tongue for about three to four weeks until Tony figures out what he wants to do with them because he's already got hologram.

01:07:12.380 --> 01:07:15.522
[SPEAKER_00]: He's putting him in a multi-man match on Wednesday.

01:07:15.903 --> 01:07:17.404
[SPEAKER_00]: He's got all these plans.

01:07:17.884 --> 01:07:26.511
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, like, we were watching with Dave and he loves this story that, you know, he found out that Master Dorada and Kinozki Takeshita was not a fake match.

01:07:26.611 --> 01:07:29.253
[SPEAKER_00]: And now, like, Tony had to put this match together.

01:07:29.833 --> 01:07:32.295
[SPEAKER_00]: So I feel like this was more like an itch to scratch.

01:07:33.356 --> 01:07:35.017
[SPEAKER_00]: And, well, yeah, these great match were doing it.

01:07:35.578 --> 01:07:36.979
[SPEAKER_00]: But I don't think they're following, man.

01:07:37.219 --> 01:07:43.084
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, I don't think that Master Dorada is a big part of the plan going forward.

01:07:43.264 --> 01:07:44.185
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, I think,

01:07:45.137 --> 01:07:53.320
[SPEAKER_00]: We're talking, and I am like, they should do arena Mexico for mid-door next year and have mystical and master Gerada.

01:07:53.360 --> 01:07:54.960
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, New Japan is depleted.

01:07:55.400 --> 01:07:58.602
[SPEAKER_00]: You don't have to go back to the O2 Arena in Inquid next year.

01:07:58.962 --> 01:08:08.125
[SPEAKER_00]: Arena Metzco and just running down a show with AEW and CMLL across the board, put master Gerada in a world title match.

01:08:08.145 --> 01:08:11.346
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, put mystical in one of these big matches.

01:08:11.386 --> 01:08:12.946
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, there are big stars.

01:08:13.087 --> 01:08:14.227
[SPEAKER_00]: They don't have to win.

01:08:14.767 --> 01:08:28.491
[SPEAKER_00]: But if you put them in the, like, put, help, put Gerada, Mystico, and whatever the third guy in the trio of batches, and you could have them when the AEW, like, six man titles, no problem.

01:08:28.931 --> 01:08:33.753
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, they would blow the roof off the doors if they had a chance to do that.

01:08:33.913 --> 01:08:37.734
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, so I don't think that he's a priority.

01:08:38.725 --> 01:08:49.488
[SPEAKER_00]: I think the Tony has a lot of priorities, including like Orange Cassidy coming back, and now Mara will see if that will see if that's priority because there are a lot of people like that.

01:08:49.568 --> 01:08:51.188
[SPEAKER_03]: But I'm saying like this, dude back.

01:08:51.548 --> 01:08:58.690
[SPEAKER_00]: But I'm saying like that's the name that he focused on programming the middle of the card outside of his top stars.

01:08:59.270 --> 01:09:06.852
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't seem that Master Dorada being that priority when he has all the returning people that all of a sudden he's got to make room for.

01:09:08.232 --> 01:09:22.140
[SPEAKER_03]: Dave and I were having this conversation about how you're showcasing a lot of these luchis stars yet, where where are they on the pecking order for a title shot or for.

01:09:23.638 --> 01:09:28.302
[SPEAKER_03]: a main event slot or, you know, we've seen commander, right?

01:09:28.362 --> 01:09:34.586
[SPEAKER_03]: Commander is like the low obeluser, hologram, like the student never loses yet.

01:09:34.686 --> 01:09:36.287
[SPEAKER_03]: He's never in any important matches.

01:09:36.767 --> 01:09:46.454
[SPEAKER_03]: We just saw massacre Dorada have the match of his life and the worry is like, now what he's he yeah, he's not going to be doing anything interesting.

01:09:46.554 --> 01:09:48.536
[SPEAKER_03]: So that that is what I would

01:09:52.590 --> 01:10:16.208
[SPEAKER_03]: The fan base to take the Lucha Libre aspect of AEW more seriously, you really have to level up one of these guys and Dorada to me seems like the best one just based off of this match and you know some of the other stuff that I've seen, you know, whether or not you want a lot of people, you know, want it to be the beast more toast, some people

01:10:20.211 --> 01:10:27.555
[SPEAKER_03]: a little bit more of that AEW style that would fit in against, um, just about anybody.

01:10:28.435 --> 01:10:38.900
[SPEAKER_03]: So I think, but let's pick one and let's level him up because or else, you're Lucha Libre guys are just pin eaters and level losers.

01:10:39.081 --> 01:10:40.861
[SPEAKER_03]: And I'm not sure that you want it to be that.

01:10:41.562 --> 01:10:44.923
[SPEAKER_00]: How long ago was it that we knew had your Sarah was the goat?

01:10:47.485 --> 01:10:47.785
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know.

01:10:50.647 --> 01:11:07.399
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, around the continental class of glass, you're right, but it's, but it's all based on it's all based on sort of inside wrestling and understanding how good someone it's it's not based on wins, but hear me out like you knew he was good and you knew that AEW should focus on him more.

01:11:08.170 --> 01:11:32.034
[SPEAKER_00]: But it took months to get to that point where he was in the dog and call a family and even in the dog and call a family, like they give him the entrance, you know, like that you always saw a heteroceros, but it took months for them to get to that point other than just putting in all random collision matches and having bangers and getting him over, they still didn't go.

01:11:33.255 --> 01:11:37.638
[SPEAKER_00]: as far as they could with them, because he would always look, more to us, always losing.

01:11:38.099 --> 01:11:55.152
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, like they have all the advice, and even Takeshida, how many years was it when he was on AEW Dark, and everyone's like, this guy is the future, like, go with him now, and it took two or three years for them to really be like, now it's his turn.

01:11:55.672 --> 01:11:56.793
[SPEAKER_00]: Though we're the thing that,

01:11:58.248 --> 01:12:19.366
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, there are guys that are starting now, and there are guys that you're investing like that we were talking about with Kyle Fletcher, but it can't just be Kyle Fletcher, but you have to find like four or five guys or like two or three like sure fires to build the future because you can't count on the same five guys to main event your shows for the next three years.

01:12:20.392 --> 01:12:26.054
[SPEAKER_03]: So the finish was Okada hitting the rainmaker on Dorada.

01:12:26.514 --> 01:12:28.754
[SPEAKER_03]: Lots of back-and-forth really great stuff.

01:12:30.755 --> 01:12:35.716
[SPEAKER_03]: Okada and Takeshita, they're definitely slow telling that story, but it's going to hit a climax.

01:12:36.056 --> 01:12:39.337
[SPEAKER_03]: Okada threw two of his best drop kicks of the year in this match.

01:12:40.157 --> 01:12:40.757
[SPEAKER_00]: You will card.

01:12:41.158 --> 01:12:42.858
[SPEAKER_00]: You was more than forced to write that in the match.

01:12:43.778 --> 01:12:49.422
[SPEAKER_03]: Uh, my, the, the one, the one thing that did make me laugh though is to cash it.

01:12:49.442 --> 01:12:54.785
[SPEAKER_03]: It was throwing those, those running knees or, or what, what does he call that that move?

01:12:56.907 --> 01:13:00.849
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, I know what you're talking about, but I don't know what it's called.

01:13:01.069 --> 01:13:07.473
[SPEAKER_03]: And so he hits Dorada with one, and instead of pinning Dorada, he turns around because he wants to

01:13:13.402 --> 01:13:15.943
[SPEAKER_03]: Patekish had a forgot to not slap on this one.

01:13:15.963 --> 01:13:31.169
[SPEAKER_03]: So you heard the nice slap on the on the blocked knee strike, but yeah, great really, really good match and I thought a pretty good match a pretty good start making performance, but you have to follow up on it or else it's not a star making performance because go.

01:13:34.094 --> 01:13:47.444
[SPEAKER_00]: The the running knee into the corner, I actually it was on the tip of my tongue because I'm I've got to speak a strong style show right we do new Japan and we're on Friday's on the thank you meeting that work, but they're not yet.

01:13:47.564 --> 01:13:49.546
[SPEAKER_03]: And we just added you to the audio channel.

01:13:49.566 --> 01:13:58.773
[SPEAKER_03]: So yeah, I just figured it out in the audio channel on Friday mornings and you guys go live on this channel Thursday afternoon Thursday afternoon evening at least.

01:13:59.193 --> 01:14:04.038
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, we we're live on YouTube and then the audio drops on for your Friday morning ear.

01:14:04.458 --> 01:14:09.844
[SPEAKER_00]: But they're the guy that just came back to New Japan named Edo Edo Eich, him and Oscar.

01:14:09.884 --> 01:14:11.285
[SPEAKER_00]: They were young blood in Europe.

01:14:11.686 --> 01:14:14.569
[SPEAKER_00]: Some of you might know, but he does the running me into the corner.

01:14:15.149 --> 01:14:17.171
[SPEAKER_00]: And he actually called the bomb a clad.

01:14:17.952 --> 01:14:25.476
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, the thing about this guy is, every time he does it, he just yellowed the name at the Maybe that's what Takesha should do.

01:14:25.516 --> 01:14:29.198
[SPEAKER_03]: So you should do you scream the name and then we won't forget Yo's bomb a clock.

01:14:29.358 --> 01:14:42.244
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, Ray, you're like god that's annoying, but I wasn't All right, John Moxley and Darby Allen Actually, I kind of thought this match wasn't as sick as it was going to be but they did

01:14:46.577 --> 01:14:50.637
[SPEAKER_03]: pull out moxley's earrings and make his ear bleed and use a fork on his ear.

01:14:51.648 --> 01:15:06.352
[SPEAKER_03]: blade the ear and bite the ear and all of those things and using the coffin itself for bumps and throwing Darby out of the ring onto the coffin on the outside.

01:15:06.372 --> 01:15:09.773
[SPEAKER_03]: And so, you know, lots of stuff on the outside of the ring as well.

01:15:09.833 --> 01:15:20.696
[SPEAKER_03]: The storytelling in the match, I thought was was pretty darn good because of course Darby is the underdog insane Daredevil baby face and John Moxley is the

01:15:21.436 --> 01:15:23.958
[SPEAKER_03]: very evil, sadistic heel.

01:15:24.919 --> 01:15:27.561
[SPEAKER_03]: Who's goal, by the way, is just to make wrestling better.

01:15:27.621 --> 01:15:31.744
[SPEAKER_03]: So he's a sadistic heel who wants to make wrestling better.

01:15:32.505 --> 01:15:37.689
[SPEAKER_03]: And so we are led to believe as this match is going on that, okay, Darby's about to win this thing.

01:15:37.889 --> 01:15:41.192
[SPEAKER_03]: All he has to do is like shut this thing and he's going to win.

01:15:42.013 --> 01:15:44.134
[SPEAKER_03]: And nope, that's where Pac came out.

01:15:44.334 --> 01:15:46.937
[SPEAKER_03]: And so Moxley did actually win.

01:15:50.192 --> 01:16:02.742
[SPEAKER_03]: We have to wait to see where the story goes, but on this day on this show in front of this crowd, I think the finish came off a little flat, which is kind of the story of the second half of this show for me.

01:16:02.762 --> 01:16:07.806
[SPEAKER_03]: And so I thought it was a good match though.

01:16:07.826 --> 01:16:14.652
[SPEAKER_03]: A lot of people aren't going to like it because of the craziness and the coffin and the interference and all of that stuff.

01:16:15.232 --> 01:16:16.874
[SPEAKER_03]: get that and I can understand that.

01:16:17.555 --> 01:16:20.217
[SPEAKER_03]: I thought that they did within the scope of what the match was.

01:16:20.257 --> 01:16:21.519
[SPEAKER_03]: I thought they did a really good job.

01:16:22.059 --> 01:16:32.290
[SPEAKER_03]: I wouldn't call it a five star match in any way, but I was entertained and I thought it was good until Darby got jacked in the end.

01:16:32.430 --> 01:16:36.234
[SPEAKER_03]: Now, of course, the whole story is going to be for Darby to eventually

01:16:37.097 --> 01:16:44.661
[SPEAKER_03]: get his win and for John Moxie to eventually get his come up and as we've seen in this deathwriter story historically.

01:16:45.782 --> 01:16:59.630
[SPEAKER_03]: But I thought it was a way for Darby to possibly win because again, you just said this before, you need more people who you can main event these shows with and Darby has been said.

01:16:59.870 --> 01:17:02.372
[SPEAKER_03]: It's been said that he is a future world champion.

01:17:03.610 --> 01:17:10.896
[SPEAKER_03]: and this is a long ride to get there because ever since he's come back, I don't think his character has been very consistent.

01:17:11.496 --> 01:17:16.560
[SPEAKER_03]: I think some of the time he's been the asshole instead of the baby face, the vengeful baby face.

01:17:17.501 --> 01:17:18.922
[SPEAKER_03]: We still haven't seen Gabe Kid.

01:17:19.282 --> 01:17:24.085
[SPEAKER_03]: Gabe Kid may still be in a body bag somewhere.

01:17:25.126 --> 01:17:26.927
[SPEAKER_03]: And thus, so now we get here in

01:17:28.268 --> 01:17:32.330
[SPEAKER_03]: Okay, maybe it's the next paper view that Darby finally gets his revenge.

01:17:32.450 --> 01:17:33.811
[SPEAKER_03]: Maybe it's the next one after that.

01:17:33.871 --> 01:17:34.451
[SPEAKER_03]: So we'll see.

01:17:34.712 --> 01:17:36.212
[SPEAKER_00]: I did think that the finish came out.

01:17:36.232 --> 01:17:38.354
[SPEAKER_00]: I got to run it back with John Maldsley.

01:17:38.834 --> 01:17:43.596
[SPEAKER_03]: He could be pock on TV, but now do you want to beat Pock or pack immediately?

01:17:43.636 --> 01:17:44.837
[SPEAKER_03]: He just came back.

01:17:45.377 --> 01:17:47.118
[SPEAKER_00]: So I started to beat him right away.

01:17:47.138 --> 01:17:47.839
[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe it would be a match.

01:17:48.099 --> 01:17:48.639
[SPEAKER_00]: I think you do it.

01:17:48.659 --> 01:17:50.640
[SPEAKER_00]: And that's I think you do the same was.

01:17:51.321 --> 01:17:51.541
[SPEAKER_03]: Okay.

01:17:52.127 --> 01:17:58.896
[SPEAKER_00]: You know what to be like, that's one big match, then Derby gets his win back and then you can kind of have him go through the death writers.

01:17:59.196 --> 01:18:02.701
[SPEAKER_00]: You can have him go through the death writers via like the continental classic.

01:18:03.202 --> 01:18:10.111
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, like have him beat all those guys throughout and then, you know, kind of make his way back to maltfully eventually.

01:18:10.551 --> 01:18:15.972
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, they keep it monthly strong because he took out Will Osprey and Will Osprey is not made of interior.

01:18:16.012 --> 01:18:28.915
[SPEAKER_00]: So you knew that like if if molecules going to lose in a match, the like we heard that happened earlier rather than later on before, you know, he's become that big player for that.

01:18:29.875 --> 01:18:33.296
[SPEAKER_00]: That seemed like the direction it was going to go.

01:18:33.996 --> 01:18:35.336
[SPEAKER_00]: But I like what they're doing here

01:18:36.578 --> 01:18:40.500
[SPEAKER_00]: Except were you around for the post-match angle at the very end of the show?

01:18:43.101 --> 01:18:58.928
[SPEAKER_00]: Which post-match angle after the main event, I believe, monthly sent to death writers off and then you were going to kill Darby and then Darby woke up, beat him with a hit him with a pipe at the neck and with a pipe and then set him on fire.

01:18:58.948 --> 01:19:01.149
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I was there.

01:19:06.335 --> 01:19:07.696
[SPEAKER_00]: he never takes time off.

01:19:08.136 --> 01:19:09.397
[SPEAKER_00]: You hit the dude on fire.

01:19:09.457 --> 01:19:10.838
[SPEAKER_00]: I hope he takes time off now.

01:19:10.858 --> 01:19:13.500
[SPEAKER_03]: I hope so too.

01:19:13.701 --> 01:19:18.564
[SPEAKER_00]: Why would you do that if you weren't like giving him a week or two off?

01:19:19.325 --> 01:19:22.567
[SPEAKER_00]: You don't even mean like what a waste of an angle.

01:19:22.707 --> 01:19:25.249
[SPEAKER_00]: All you saw was him like with his ass up in the air.

01:19:25.269 --> 01:19:26.470
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, oh, I took that sink.

01:19:27.191 --> 01:19:29.112
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, he's like, you got to really sell this.

01:19:30.613 --> 01:19:31.133
[SPEAKER_03]: We'll see.

01:19:32.134 --> 01:19:32.615
[SPEAKER_03]: We'll see.

01:19:33.513 --> 01:19:34.354
[SPEAKER_00]: There's one more match.

01:19:34.874 --> 01:19:35.835
[SPEAKER_00]: You kind of skipped over it.

01:19:35.875 --> 01:19:37.757
[SPEAKER_00]: Do you have any thoughts about Mercedes Monet and Rio?

01:19:38.637 --> 01:19:41.259
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, yeah, I skipped that one on accident.

01:19:41.760 --> 01:19:45.503
[SPEAKER_03]: I was like, I'm looking at my notes here because I wrote my notes in order.

01:19:46.584 --> 01:19:49.506
[SPEAKER_03]: And I didn't actually write anything about that match.

01:19:49.586 --> 01:19:50.988
[SPEAKER_03]: And that's not because it wasn't good.

01:19:51.028 --> 01:19:53.109
[SPEAKER_03]: I thought it was a pretty darn good match.

01:19:53.690 --> 01:20:00.756
[SPEAKER_03]: The problem, at least I'm guessing the problem from the live crowd, is they just never bought Rihow as a contender.

01:20:01.416 --> 01:20:05.539
[SPEAKER_03]: And she was doing all the baby face tricks in the book to try and get this crowd excited.

01:20:05.579 --> 01:20:10.743
[SPEAKER_03]: She did the she did the the CEO dance she was, you know, doing crazy spots.

01:20:10.763 --> 01:20:14.786
[SPEAKER_03]: She was selling great her timing was fantastic.

01:20:14.967 --> 01:20:19.330
[SPEAKER_03]: It was a good match, but I just don't think that people bought her as a contender.

01:20:19.950 --> 01:20:25.875
[SPEAKER_03]: And in a sense, she kind of came off and now she's a she had a better match than this.

01:20:25.995 --> 01:20:28.417
[SPEAKER_03]: But early in the match, I had vibes of

01:20:30.155 --> 01:20:38.181
[SPEAKER_03]: local baby face against the national touring NWA champion heel kind of thing, but it turned into something better than that, of course.

01:20:38.781 --> 01:20:39.422
[SPEAKER_03]: But yeah, I don't know.

01:20:39.442 --> 01:20:48.748
[SPEAKER_03]: This was, you know, Mercedes is so good that she usually is able to stand out a little bit more on a show in a sea of really good matches.

01:20:48.868 --> 01:20:53.451
[SPEAKER_03]: And I don't think she was able to do for this one, but I think it's mostly because

01:20:54.407 --> 01:20:56.029
[SPEAKER_03]: people just did not buy reho.

01:20:56.049 --> 01:21:04.559
[SPEAKER_03]: This was more of a thing from Mercedes because she wanted to do it, then unnecessarily a properly built world title match or TBS title match.

01:21:05.403 --> 01:21:16.769
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I think we're saying you wanted to match with the Rheho, you know, she won't check the boxes against all of the former women's AEW women who are type old, you know, but she's developing her lineage.

01:21:17.209 --> 01:21:28.655
[SPEAKER_00]: For me, the base that you're like, Rheho did not look good in that match with Alex Linger, Amy Soccerat, Mercedes Monet, a couple weeks ago, and she looked a million times better, which was just kind of early.

01:21:28.695 --> 01:21:32.437
[SPEAKER_00]: She'd been away from the ring for a while and you just don't know, some people, you know,

01:21:35.545 --> 01:21:38.167
[SPEAKER_00]: don't get it back if they're gone from the ring for a while.

01:21:38.207 --> 01:21:47.335
[SPEAKER_00]: And, you know, just, do you think Reho be what she looked like when she was at her peak in AEW a few years ago?

01:21:48.596 --> 01:21:54.801
[SPEAKER_00]: That was relieving to see because she really is a good addition to the roster if she can be there for a while.

01:21:55.661 --> 01:22:02.670
[SPEAKER_03]: And that's the other thing is people don't believe that she will be so they're like, oh, do we really have to care that much about her knowing she's going to be gone for the next year.

01:22:03.231 --> 01:22:05.614
[SPEAKER_03]: So shout, shout out to Lady B, who's also in the chat.

01:22:05.694 --> 01:22:06.175
[SPEAKER_03]: She says,

01:22:06.959 --> 01:22:20.608
[SPEAKER_03]: just wonder when Monet beats Jade's record because that's what all that's what I'll think all of this is about meaning Mercedes just pinning all of these women line it them up and pin it up and then maybe the downfall begins.

01:22:21.628 --> 01:22:25.491
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I mean, what's the what's the flip side of this run?

01:22:26.972 --> 01:22:30.154
[SPEAKER_03]: That is part that has to be part of the story.

01:22:30.274 --> 01:22:31.154
[SPEAKER_03]: Are are we there yet?

01:22:31.274 --> 01:22:31.614
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know.

01:22:33.062 --> 01:22:36.245
[SPEAKER_03]: did the other thing about and we'll talk about this in a second.

01:22:36.285 --> 01:22:56.360
[SPEAKER_03]: The other thing about Tony Storm losing is the idea that should Mercedes be the one to beat Tony if she's losing or the flip side should Tony be the one to beat Mercedes if Mercedes is losing and so that you know that that is an idea they had a good match.

01:22:57.301 --> 01:22:58.822
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know if I thought it was a great match.

01:22:58.862 --> 01:22:59.563
[SPEAKER_03]: I know a lot of people

01:23:01.999 --> 01:23:06.566
[SPEAKER_03]: But I kind of, there was meat left on the bone, trials like, okay, they can do this again.

01:23:06.586 --> 01:23:08.588
[SPEAKER_03]: I would like to see this again.

01:23:08.608 --> 01:23:13.916
[SPEAKER_03]: And so maybe, maybe Tony Storm is the one to eventually beat Mercedes.

01:23:14.036 --> 01:23:14.477
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know.

01:23:14.497 --> 01:23:16.019
[SPEAKER_03]: I was kind of,

01:23:37.679 --> 01:23:38.400
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think they have.

01:23:38.460 --> 01:23:39.421
[SPEAKER_03]: Don't think so.

01:23:39.801 --> 01:23:40.582
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't think so.

01:23:40.822 --> 01:23:42.103
[SPEAKER_00]: That might be an interesting one.

01:23:42.824 --> 01:23:50.491
[SPEAKER_00]: I was laughing because the the joke that I had heard over the weekend was somebody's going to be Monet for all 10 titles.

01:23:50.831 --> 01:23:56.015
[SPEAKER_00]: And then the rib is going to be going to have to fly over the world and stop the title one by one.

01:23:56.035 --> 01:24:01.901
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, if I if I'm if I'm going to win that match, I tell Tony Khan.

01:24:02.898 --> 01:24:04.659
[SPEAKER_03]: I only want the TBS title on the line.

01:24:05.080 --> 01:24:06.081
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm vacating everything.

01:24:08.022 --> 01:24:11.765
[SPEAKER_00]: And what you're flying me, and I get a week long vacation at all these places.

01:24:12.146 --> 01:24:13.427
[SPEAKER_00]: We're not doing it.

01:24:15.148 --> 01:24:19.872
[SPEAKER_03]: Okay, Tony Storm versus Chris Statelander versus TechLivers is Jamie Hayter.

01:24:21.646 --> 01:24:39.038
[SPEAKER_03]: If I was going to say what the second worst match in the card was, it might be this match only because I don't think it got to the level that I was expecting it to eventually get to before the pin came out of nowhere for stat to win.

01:24:39.058 --> 01:24:42.181
[SPEAKER_03]: I really like the Teclic character.

01:24:42.321 --> 01:24:43.401
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't think she is

01:24:44.690 --> 01:24:47.973
[SPEAKER_03]: should be at the level of world champion yet, but I do like her character.

01:24:47.993 --> 01:24:55.919
[SPEAKER_03]: I was talking to John the Rock, and I kind of reminded me a little bit of Luna Vaishan, just in the different type of character that it is, and I think that works.

01:24:55.979 --> 01:25:00.942
[SPEAKER_03]: You need variety in wrestling, and I think she stands out in a very good way.

01:25:02.083 --> 01:25:03.584
[SPEAKER_03]: Jamie Hader is still

01:25:04.665 --> 01:25:19.038
[SPEAKER_03]: Jamie Hayer just feels cold to me, even though as much as I like her, and then you had stat who, you know, stats just been there almost like you kind of take her for granted because she is always there.

01:25:20.255 --> 01:25:26.059
[SPEAKER_03]: and hopefully they can turn this win into something for business.

01:25:26.879 --> 01:25:31.202
[SPEAKER_03]: Because it's still, how many hours have I had to think about this?

01:25:31.242 --> 01:25:33.363
[SPEAKER_03]: It still feels flat to me.

01:25:33.423 --> 01:25:40.227
[SPEAKER_03]: No matter how many people are out there saying so happy for Statt like Fernando, I am too, by the way, I'm happy that

01:25:50.088 --> 01:25:59.333
[SPEAKER_03]: you know, actually the thing that we didn't even think about and I don't know anything about this, but you know, was Tony originally going to lose his match or did she have something else going on?

01:26:00.233 --> 01:26:07.116
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know about that, but that's the thing that you think of when when you see the finish come out of nowhere like this.

01:26:07.176 --> 01:26:12.479
[SPEAKER_03]: So I think, you know, for to what you said, if they have this this

01:26:19.732 --> 01:26:28.821
[SPEAKER_03]: I would like to know where we're going with Tony Storm 2 is she going to do the downfall thing with my mate like she did with my me where she just goes out of a mind.

01:26:30.223 --> 01:26:32.145
[SPEAKER_03]: Because that's already happened so I would hope not.

01:26:32.866 --> 01:26:34.648
[SPEAKER_03]: But yeah, let's let's see where it is.

01:26:34.728 --> 01:26:41.135
[SPEAKER_03]: I still think it was flat, but now we now we move on and we build to whatever they're building to.

01:26:41.799 --> 01:26:56.651
[SPEAKER_00]: Tony Storm is a huge star and actually her not having the title all the way to the possibility for like losing some matches because with her and the with her having the title the implication was well this other person is going to be the world champions because she's probably going to retain.

01:26:57.311 --> 01:27:07.599
[SPEAKER_00]: Now that that kind of risk isn't there she probably going to win a lot of these matches still because she's the biggest baby face star on the women's division.

01:27:08.620 --> 01:27:09.421
[SPEAKER_00]: But now the

01:27:13.512 --> 01:27:23.778
[SPEAKER_00]: can't she lose to feel a lot more possible because the obvious factor of what you can't do when she's champion, super seat dog, you know?

01:27:23.978 --> 01:27:31.802
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, I just, I like that we have people chasing titles that are perceived the best in the world.

01:27:32.243 --> 01:27:39.787
[SPEAKER_00]: So you have that little journey in the story of how when are they going to be on top of that show again?

01:27:42.070 --> 01:27:50.572
[SPEAKER_03]: All right, Bandito, bro to king has broed Dito against the young bucks against jet speed against such Sarah and Josh Alexander in a ladder match.

01:27:53.112 --> 01:27:56.093
[SPEAKER_03]: Brian Danielson was me in every ladder match.

01:27:57.633 --> 01:28:03.034
[SPEAKER_03]: Admonishing everybody for being dumb to not go get the titles on on the letter.

01:28:03.174 --> 01:28:07.255
[SPEAKER_03]: Go, why are you trying to hit this high spot that is me during every single letter match?

01:28:08.507 --> 01:28:10.448
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm going to say I'll slightly disappointed with this.

01:28:10.629 --> 01:28:15.252
[SPEAKER_03]: Some of it may be because I was fatigued as I was watching this match.

01:28:15.292 --> 01:28:33.746
[SPEAKER_03]: I was like, okay, I kind of hit my wall, the four-hour wall, and it's everything we've ever seen in a ladder match, no matter how creative these guys are, no matter how athletic these guys are, again, sort of the taking them for granted a little bit, because they are fantastic athletes, but

01:28:34.731 --> 01:28:37.052
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know, man, I'm so tired of ladder matches.

01:28:37.632 --> 01:28:40.053
[SPEAKER_03]: And I don't know that we needed a ladder match.

01:28:40.354 --> 01:28:49.298
[SPEAKER_03]: I would have much rather seen the Bucks against ProDito or, you know, BroDito against JetSpeed as a singles.

01:28:50.198 --> 01:28:54.100
[SPEAKER_03]: Instead of the ladder, the idea of the ladder match, we had so many gimmicks on this show.

01:28:54.160 --> 01:28:57.902
[SPEAKER_03]: And this is where, finally, I was like, enough, like, we're done with this stuff.

01:28:58.262 --> 01:29:00.383
[SPEAKER_03]: And it was during this match, which was the semi-main event.

01:29:00.903 --> 01:29:02.464
[SPEAKER_03]: BroDito did win, I think,

01:29:03.883 --> 01:29:08.787
[SPEAKER_03]: probably the right thing though, I think I would have put the bucks over.

01:29:09.688 --> 01:29:14.352
[SPEAKER_03]: And then I would have had Brodito chase them to get a real like title victory.

01:29:14.632 --> 01:29:21.678
[SPEAKER_03]: And as baby faces, because to me, Brodito is still like the fourth or fifth most important tag team in this company and they're the actual champions.

01:29:22.619 --> 01:29:27.883
[SPEAKER_03]: But obviously they had the Jack Perry thing, so that was not in the cards and Brodito won the match.

01:29:29.044 --> 01:29:29.745
[SPEAKER_03]: What do you think?

01:29:29.765 --> 01:29:31.346
[SPEAKER_03]: Am I being hard on this match?

01:29:33.158 --> 01:29:45.586
[SPEAKER_00]: No, no, there are obviously people that are going to do the ooze and all of because of who was in this match, because of flatter, because of all the things all the factors baked in this is I'm

01:29:48.561 --> 01:29:56.105
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm at a point where I see a party match on AEW every week with some form of these eight guys.

01:29:56.866 --> 01:30:00.188
[SPEAKER_00]: And instead of ladders, we have brief cases full of money.

01:30:00.648 --> 01:30:01.929
[SPEAKER_00]: And this time we have ladders.

01:30:02.049 --> 01:30:04.410
[SPEAKER_00]: But it's the same matches that we're doing.

01:30:04.430 --> 01:30:04.510
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

01:30:05.411 --> 01:30:05.571
[SPEAKER_00]: And

01:30:07.165 --> 01:30:18.254
[SPEAKER_00]: When we're watching a near five hour show and you want to have all your stars on the show, you just want to throw all of them into a party match and go 25 minutes and run like competitively against another promotion.

01:30:18.834 --> 01:30:19.295
[SPEAKER_00]: I get it.

01:30:19.455 --> 01:30:20.196
[SPEAKER_00]: That's fine.

01:30:21.016 --> 01:30:25.740
[SPEAKER_00]: But there wasn't anything, they didn't recreate the wheel.

01:30:25.820 --> 01:30:27.541
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, like they didn't reinvent anything.

01:30:29.143 --> 01:30:32.886
[SPEAKER_00]: It was just a party match with extra element

01:30:35.160 --> 01:30:36.301
[SPEAKER_00]: kind of done with ladders.

01:30:36.461 --> 01:30:43.004
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm kind of doing with all of that stuff like bring out one table in a match and you tease it throughout the thing.

01:30:43.565 --> 01:30:44.785
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm there with you.

01:30:45.265 --> 01:30:56.932
[SPEAKER_00]: But if you're bringing out like five different coffins and one match for different tables, 3000 thumbtacks, like there's a lot going on here at some point.

01:30:58.930 --> 01:31:09.365
[SPEAKER_00]: the meaning of danger is almost lost because you're so deceptive to everything or thing doesn't kill you and people survive it.

01:31:11.288 --> 01:31:12.330
[SPEAKER_03]: Party match, you say.

01:31:16.794 --> 01:31:21.321
[SPEAKER_03]: Sorry, I can't use that on fiking podcast anymore, cause John, John is too much.

01:31:30.805 --> 01:31:35.426
[SPEAKER_03]: Okay, so many events and we I mean, we already talked about this, but we just go through the final paces of it.

01:31:35.486 --> 01:31:48.950
[SPEAKER_03]: Hangman and Kyle Fletcher the early story, at least that Don Calz was trying to tell was that because of that brainbuster on the table to the floor on Wednesday's Dynamite, Hangman came in hurt.

01:31:49.490 --> 01:31:50.470
[SPEAKER_03]: He didn't come in that hurt.

01:31:51.145 --> 01:32:04.676
[SPEAKER_03]: He did have some connesiology tape around his neck and shoulders, Don tried to tell us that if he's throwing strikes at this left hand, that that's a good thing for Kyle, because that means that Hangman is hurt.

01:32:05.436 --> 01:32:12.442
[SPEAKER_03]: He did it for a little while, but he did, I thought he sold really well, but he then started to use his right arm.

01:32:13.785 --> 01:32:28.325
[SPEAKER_03]: And he finally, the closing finish or the closing finish is repetitive, but the finish of this match was, this was a scary one, the dead eye from the top rope.

01:32:29.907 --> 01:32:51.519
[SPEAKER_03]: and Kyle Fletcher had to figure out how to take a move where the idea is for Hangman to, it's like a pile driver, but Hangman is gonna use his legs to kind of protect the head, but Hangman's knees have to hit and his legs are behind him and he's got to protect the head that way.

01:32:52.959 --> 01:32:54.600
[SPEAKER_03]: But they're coming from the top rope.

01:32:55.561 --> 01:32:57.542
[SPEAKER_03]: So Kyle Fletcher had to figure out

01:32:58.294 --> 01:33:08.297
[SPEAKER_03]: with his head going straight down to the mat, how to actually find a way to take the bump on the upper shoulder, which was a scary moment.

01:33:08.357 --> 01:33:09.517
[SPEAKER_03]: I think he did it.

01:33:10.018 --> 01:33:13.118
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, he took his head up and he took it off shoulder.

01:33:13.519 --> 01:33:15.599
[SPEAKER_03]: So I'm hopeful that he's fine.

01:33:15.699 --> 01:33:21.081
[SPEAKER_03]: That was a scary in a night of insanity.

01:33:21.101 --> 01:33:24.462
[SPEAKER_03]: It was probably the most scared for a wrestler that I was during the match.

01:33:25.772 --> 01:33:33.415
[SPEAKER_03]: and then after that he did not pin him with that move by the way Kyle Fletcher looked like he would have been dead and you could have just put a pinky on him to win the match.

01:33:33.475 --> 01:33:33.655
[SPEAKER_03]: Nope.

01:33:34.296 --> 01:33:40.438
[SPEAKER_03]: He had to pick him up so he could buckshot him and then he won the match and hangman is your world champion.

01:33:40.518 --> 01:33:41.839
[SPEAKER_03]: Nothing else happened after that.

01:33:41.859 --> 01:33:45.820
[SPEAKER_03]: We were kind of wondering what you know is is something we're going to come out.

01:33:46.260 --> 01:33:46.421
[SPEAKER_03]: Nope.

01:33:46.481 --> 01:33:46.881
[SPEAKER_03]: That was it.

01:33:46.921 --> 01:33:50.822
[SPEAKER_03]: Paper used done and so here's my question which is

01:33:53.407 --> 01:33:56.850
[SPEAKER_03]: Where, what, where should hang man go next?

01:33:58.311 --> 01:34:00.913
[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe they have a tournament to determine his net to the contender.

01:34:01.933 --> 01:34:03.014
[SPEAKER_03]: Who should that winner be?

01:34:06.356 --> 01:34:10.720
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, you shouldn't, you could run back John Malkley.

01:34:10.780 --> 01:34:12.841
[SPEAKER_00]: You can run back, you can do Mark Brisco.

01:34:12.861 --> 01:34:15.023
[SPEAKER_00]: You can do Eddie Kinsen.

01:34:16.172 --> 01:34:19.514
[SPEAKER_00]: But honestly, there really isn't anybody.

01:34:19.574 --> 01:34:27.379
[SPEAKER_00]: I'd probably feel like more talent people are gonna get thrown at Hangman based off of the, we want that title, like the family one.

01:34:27.399 --> 01:34:33.343
[SPEAKER_00]: You can do a lot of, and Hangman, okay, I can lose that match.

01:34:34.843 --> 01:34:38.766
[SPEAKER_03]: Okay, so let's look forward to Wednesday.

01:34:39.786 --> 01:34:45.410
[SPEAKER_03]: We've kind of used this before as a just thinking exercise

01:34:47.293 --> 01:34:49.535
[SPEAKER_03]: How should Dynamite open on Wednesday?

01:34:51.176 --> 01:35:01.683
[SPEAKER_00]: Video recap of the event and then once again, Adam Page come up right out and you like, I am the champion.

01:35:02.845 --> 01:35:07.487
[SPEAKER_00]: And I, whatever, I'd take it and then don call us, come count and stuff.

01:35:07.847 --> 01:35:14.490
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, well, blah, blah, blah, blah, yeah, and then we get into the next person on the thing.

01:35:14.510 --> 01:35:17.111
[SPEAKER_00]: Because right now, they're only two viable heal groups.

01:35:17.151 --> 01:35:19.532
[SPEAKER_00]: And that's don call us and the death writers.

01:35:19.812 --> 01:35:30.676
[SPEAKER_00]: And if John Marx was taking time off, it feels like you got to go with the death writers and if it's the death writers or not the death writers, don call us in Tocana because Ticashino's

01:35:32.630 --> 01:35:32.890
[SPEAKER_01]: Hmm.

01:35:35.671 --> 01:35:38.552
[SPEAKER_03]: I think it should be hangmen as well.

01:35:39.973 --> 01:35:46.635
[SPEAKER_03]: There are two things that I really want them to follow up on though, and Lady B has mentioned one of them, which is the Chris Statlander.

01:35:47.576 --> 01:35:51.597
[SPEAKER_03]: So, whatever the celebration or the angle is, like, they really need to make a big deal out of this.

01:35:51.797 --> 01:35:53.058
[SPEAKER_03]: Yes, she beat Tony's store.

01:35:53.638 --> 01:35:53.858
[SPEAKER_03]: Yes.

01:35:53.938 --> 01:35:55.839
[SPEAKER_03]: Like, there's a reason for this.

01:35:55.919 --> 01:35:57.419
[SPEAKER_03]: Let's really focus on that.

01:35:57.479 --> 01:35:59.460
[SPEAKER_03]: Let's make it as big a video as possible.

01:36:00.136 --> 01:36:08.079
[SPEAKER_00]: You need Harley Cameron just being her height man for like the first half of whatever segment they have and then bring it around.

01:36:10.300 --> 01:36:16.223
[SPEAKER_03]: And then the Dorada thing which I think we both believe they may not really follow up on.

01:36:17.404 --> 01:36:25.987
[SPEAKER_03]: So though, you know, I think you got hang man as your guy and look, I have been a little hard on hang man not because they don't like him.

01:36:26.027 --> 01:36:27.488
[SPEAKER_03]: It's actually because I really like him.

01:36:28.242 --> 01:36:42.979
[SPEAKER_03]: Like I think as a pro wrestler, like he's pretty much the complete package outside of one thing, which is whatever that it thing is that takes you to the next level, whatever that thing is,

01:36:44.761 --> 01:36:48.442
[SPEAKER_03]: You know, on Martin, Martin, Martin played a marketing guy.

01:36:48.462 --> 01:36:52.303
[SPEAKER_03]: And he would dress in a white powder.

01:36:52.343 --> 01:36:53.363
[SPEAKER_03]: So he looked like a white guy.

01:36:53.383 --> 01:36:56.684
[SPEAKER_03]: And he would say the hammer pants.

01:36:57.224 --> 01:37:00.005
[SPEAKER_03]: What is the hammer pants for hangman?

01:37:00.025 --> 01:37:02.806
[SPEAKER_03]: What's going to take him to the next level?

01:37:02.926 --> 01:37:09.928
[SPEAKER_03]: Because I think he's as a baby face, well spoken, thoughtful,

01:37:11.773 --> 01:37:17.799
[SPEAKER_03]: Emotionally vulnerable, which to some wrestling fans, a lot of the male, machismo wrestling fans, they don't like that.

01:37:17.839 --> 01:37:19.741
[SPEAKER_03]: But I kind of dig it, because it makes him a little different.

01:37:21.022 --> 01:37:22.083
[SPEAKER_03]: Kicks ass in the ring.

01:37:24.425 --> 01:37:27.648
[SPEAKER_03]: Stanza for his pals.

01:37:27.708 --> 01:37:30.791
[SPEAKER_03]: Like that, he's got all of those things in the baby face package.

01:37:32.212 --> 01:37:34.014
[SPEAKER_03]: Can hold it, it holds on in the ring.

01:37:35.125 --> 01:37:37.006
[SPEAKER_03]: promo, you know, he's a good promo.

01:37:37.026 --> 01:37:38.247
[SPEAKER_03]: I wouldn't say it's a great promo.

01:37:38.767 --> 01:37:57.256
[SPEAKER_03]: But whatever that it factor is that takes you to the next level that takes you from stunning Steve Austin to Stone Cold Steve Austin, or that takes you from Rocky, Miami, to the rock, whatever that little piece of whatever is, I think he's actually missing it.

01:37:58.256 --> 01:37:59.537
[SPEAKER_03]: And if he had it,

01:38:00.705 --> 01:38:02.505
[SPEAKER_03]: He could be one of the biggest stars in wrestling.

01:38:02.545 --> 01:38:07.147
[SPEAKER_03]: Now, as a in-ring wrestler, he's already there at the top, right?

01:38:07.187 --> 01:38:09.247
[SPEAKER_03]: He's already at the tipi top.

01:38:09.567 --> 01:38:20.130
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm talking about the next level, which is Superstar, which is Household Wrestling Name, which is WWE fans go, who, oh, who's this hangman guy?

01:38:20.290 --> 01:38:21.270
[SPEAKER_03]: That's on the AEW.

01:38:21.290 --> 01:38:22.170
[SPEAKER_03]: I got to check him out.

01:38:22.310 --> 01:38:25.951
[SPEAKER_03]: Whatever that thing is, that's what I want him to get to.

01:38:26.071 --> 01:38:26.211
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

01:38:26.291 --> 01:38:28.972
[SPEAKER_03]: Because I think he's got all the tools otherwise.

01:38:29.632 --> 01:38:35.076
[SPEAKER_00]: I will leave you this before we wrap up, um, the hangman and flexor few.

01:38:35.176 --> 01:38:38.718
[SPEAKER_00]: There were a couple of things that they did in here that I thought were very deliberate.

01:38:39.439 --> 01:38:44.322
[SPEAKER_00]: One was flexor with his finisher couldn't finish the match.

01:38:44.622 --> 01:38:50.145
[SPEAKER_00]: Like you couldn't put hangman away with the finisher, which was like directly to the hangman.

01:38:50.266 --> 01:38:50.986
[SPEAKER_00]: You're not ready.

01:38:51.406 --> 01:38:52.647
[SPEAKER_00]: You don't have tools.

01:38:53.207 --> 01:38:54.348
[SPEAKER_00]: You're just not there.

01:38:54.428 --> 01:38:56.129
[SPEAKER_00]: You will be one day, but you're not.

01:38:56.149 --> 01:38:56.990
[SPEAKER_00]: So that played into that.

01:38:57.510 --> 01:39:24.182
[SPEAKER_00]: The other thing is that they may have potentially booked hangman into a corner because what you're looking for is like that baby face fire that righteous anger that kind of like you have wronged me you have wronged this promotion and now I'm going to make you like pay and blood because of the last two years because of the floor because of setting the house on fire because of the way that he came off as like angry and vengeful

01:39:25.210 --> 01:39:39.601
[SPEAKER_00]: I wonder if they're trying to either shy away from that right now or figure out how they can incorporate that anger into a baby-faced version of him without making it look like he was the heel that he was when he was full of anger.

01:39:41.642 --> 01:39:45.185
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, the different...

01:39:46.332 --> 01:40:05.685
[SPEAKER_03]: You know, going through stuff like a normal human does which sometimes when you do that normal humans often don't like to be reminded of their own trauma, so that's, you know, it's probably easier to play superstar who can beat up everybody because that's what you look for when you watch this stuff sometimes, but it's you know, it is unique in that way.

01:40:06.480 --> 01:40:11.944
[SPEAKER_03]: that he is a, he is a man of emotions and vulnerability and trauma and dealing with stuff.

01:40:12.904 --> 01:40:22.371
[SPEAKER_00]: And that is his character and hopefully they make him unstoppable when he doesn't manage to figure out how to channel that anger in a way that like a baby face stop.

01:40:22.571 --> 01:40:27.194
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, it's like anger at the right time and properly like outlet and a pro wrestling match.

01:40:28.055 --> 01:40:32.578
[SPEAKER_00]: They want they should get to that point eventually because they've essentially told that story

01:40:35.188 --> 01:40:39.172
[SPEAKER_03]: All right, let's end this with play the play the big Dave star ratings.

01:40:39.212 --> 01:40:41.073
[SPEAKER_03]: Now, this isn't what what we're going to give it.

01:40:41.173 --> 01:40:44.436
[SPEAKER_03]: This is what we think Dave is going to give these matches.

01:40:45.597 --> 01:40:47.659
[SPEAKER_03]: MJ MJF and Mark Brisco.

01:40:47.679 --> 01:40:50.321
[SPEAKER_03]: What do you think he goes for seven five.

01:40:51.542 --> 01:40:52.183
[SPEAKER_03]: I agree with you.

01:40:52.363 --> 01:40:53.964
[SPEAKER_03]: I think that's right where I would go.

01:40:55.966 --> 01:41:00.050
[SPEAKER_03]: What do you think he's going to give the three way five and a quarter?

01:41:00.770 --> 01:41:01.891
[SPEAKER_03]: I think he goes full five.

01:41:03.327 --> 01:41:27.035
[SPEAKER_00]: uh... you had insinuated that you may be had a clue and maybe it was from him being so excited that uh... what you thought when he when he when he like gleefully resolved to like public in a match talk about all these guys are amazing like no you that's that's both five like i'm i'm i'm entering five in a quarter what do you think he's going to give them a bit

01:41:32.185 --> 01:41:33.105
[SPEAKER_03]: See, I'm going to flip.

01:41:33.145 --> 01:41:37.768
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm going to say, triple threat is five.

01:41:39.128 --> 01:41:40.529
[SPEAKER_03]: Main event is five in a quarter.

01:41:41.669 --> 01:41:42.390
[SPEAKER_03]: That's my guess.

01:41:43.890 --> 01:41:44.210
[SPEAKER_00]: I can see it.

01:41:44.230 --> 01:41:49.313
[SPEAKER_03]: All right, man, we are going to get out of here, but.

01:41:51.676 --> 01:41:54.897
[SPEAKER_03]: Keela and Paul are probably right behind us.

01:41:55.477 --> 01:41:56.557
[SPEAKER_00]: Don't forget about those, too.

01:41:57.057 --> 01:41:57.758
[SPEAKER_00]: They're the captain.

01:41:57.778 --> 01:41:59.738
[SPEAKER_00]: That's been fought with a much shorter show.

01:42:00.098 --> 01:42:01.079
[SPEAKER_00]: But they have hot tapes.

01:42:01.479 --> 01:42:03.219
[SPEAKER_03]: They're covering Russell, Palusa.

01:42:04.800 --> 01:42:07.080
[SPEAKER_03]: I think the WWE show is either over or.

01:42:07.220 --> 01:42:11.021
[SPEAKER_00]: No, I get getting update coverage that I've got all the finishes from the audience.

01:42:11.041 --> 01:42:13.322
[SPEAKER_03]: So they're they're going to go up shortly.

01:42:14.142 --> 01:42:15.242
[SPEAKER_03]: and so you can check them out.

01:42:15.822 --> 01:42:17.503
[SPEAKER_03]: We're going to take it.

01:42:17.543 --> 01:42:19.463
[SPEAKER_03]: We're going to take off here and be done.

01:42:19.483 --> 01:42:21.604
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't want to tell everyone the recoil to the show.

01:42:22.304 --> 01:42:23.504
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I don't even know the results.

01:42:23.544 --> 01:42:27.145
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, I kind of know, but I want to watch enough of it.

01:42:27.805 --> 01:42:31.766
[SPEAKER_03]: But yeah, this was a long day.

01:42:31.786 --> 01:42:36.547
[SPEAKER_03]: I hope that there's not too many of these, but I've been feeling there's going to be many more.

01:42:37.508 --> 01:42:37.648
[SPEAKER_03]: And

01:42:44.352 --> 01:43:06.059
[SPEAKER_03]: we'll be we'll be back on our normal schedule so Paul Fontaine and I will be back at some point Monday with takedown and we'll have our takes and then you'll be back on Thursday with Steven on the live YouTube feed and then we'll both have our shows in the in the audio internet work as well.

01:43:06.499 --> 01:43:09.920
[SPEAKER_00]: We might reunite after October 18th St.

01:43:09.980 --> 01:43:10.280
[SPEAKER_00]: Louis.

01:43:10.932 --> 01:43:13.694
[SPEAKER_03]: That is the next AEW show for Russell Dynasties.

01:43:13.714 --> 01:43:14.075
[SPEAKER_00]: Russell Dynasties.

01:43:14.095 --> 01:43:14.455
[SPEAKER_00]: Russell Dynasties.

01:43:14.475 --> 01:43:14.935
[SPEAKER_00]: Russell Dynasties.

01:43:14.995 --> 01:43:15.996
[SPEAKER_00]: Russell Dynasties.

01:43:16.076 --> 01:43:16.777
[SPEAKER_00]: Russell Dynasties.

01:43:16.817 --> 01:43:17.197
[SPEAKER_00]: Russell Dynasties.

01:43:17.317 --> 01:43:17.878
[SPEAKER_00]: Russell Dynasties.

01:43:17.998 --> 01:43:18.498
[SPEAKER_00]: Russell Dynasties.

01:43:18.538 --> 01:43:18.939
[SPEAKER_03]: Russell Dynasties.

01:43:18.959 --> 01:43:19.439
[SPEAKER_03]: Russell Dynasties.

01:43:19.459 --> 01:43:19.939
[SPEAKER_03]: Russell Dynasties.

01:43:19.979 --> 01:43:20.420
[SPEAKER_03]: Russell Dynasties.

01:43:20.440 --> 01:43:21.020
[SPEAKER_03]: Russell Dynasties.

01:43:21.040 --> 01:43:21.861
[SPEAKER_00]: Russell Dynasties.

01:43:22.962 --> 01:43:23.923
[SPEAKER_03]: Russell Dynasties.

01:43:23.943 --> 01:43:25.804
[SPEAKER_03]: Russell Dynasties.

01:43:26.064 --> 01:43:26.445
[SPEAKER_03]: Russell Dynasties.

01:43:26.485 --> 01:43:27.385
[SPEAKER_03]: Russell Dynasties.

01:43:27.405 --> 01:43:28.546
[SPEAKER_03]: Russell Dynasties.

01:43:28.566 --> 01:43:29.447
[SPEAKER_03]: Russell Dynasties.

01:43:29.667 --> 01:43:30.308
[SPEAKER_03]: Russell Dynasties.

01:43:35.936 --> 01:43:45.280
[SPEAKER_03]: but we're covering the summer time of WWE in 1984 and then we'll get his thoughts on both this show and Russell Palusa as well.

01:43:45.620 --> 01:43:47.061
[SPEAKER_00]: All right, thank you for the forum with each other.

01:43:47.901 --> 01:43:48.881
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I love that dude.

01:43:48.901 --> 01:43:52.863
[SPEAKER_03]: I've known that dude for gosh, probably now like 15 years.

01:43:53.943 --> 01:43:55.344
[SPEAKER_03]: Most of his all internet, you know?

01:43:55.884 --> 01:43:56.784
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, exactly.

01:43:56.864 --> 01:44:02.007
[SPEAKER_03]: Mostly as like an internet buddy, but also we've hung out and gone to baseball games and stuff as well.

01:44:02.047 --> 01:44:02.987
[SPEAKER_03]: So yeah, he's a good dude.

01:44:03.628 --> 01:44:16.217
[SPEAKER_03]: Alright, thanks again for Nando Andreves Gaming, Maria Graciela, Lady B, all of you who checked us out on the live stream and all of you who are listening on the audio feed.

01:44:16.417 --> 01:44:23.723
[SPEAKER_03]: For Jeremy, I am double G. We will see you when we see you piece out.