AEW WrestleDream Recap: Moxley/Allin Finish, Joe Heel Turn & Stat Vs. Mone | AEW Post Game Live

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[SPEAKER_03]: Her back with our AW post game live after Russell dream.

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[SPEAKER_03]: How long was that show?

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[SPEAKER_03]: Four and a half hours.

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[SPEAKER_03]: This one felt longer than the last one to me.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know why.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, you're right.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I guess it's the evening again instead of during the day.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Though, I don't know what, what do you prefer?

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[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know if I prefer the day, because I feel like kind of doing stuff during the day.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think I prefer the day time because if I have enough lead time, like I'd find which is kind of staggering stuff in the morning or afterward, you and I are dealing these shows nowadays.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So like I would rather go to bed at a normal time and enjoy the show and feel like this is what I decided to commit my day to rather than have a full day, then watch the show and then break it down because it just feels like

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[SPEAKER_00]: you're wanting to show to end rather than like enjoying every minute of it.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Sure, I can I can definitely see that.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I would also say that you kid the only the negative on doing the shows during the day is you essentially give up your day right like that like this becomes the biggest part of your day.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And I guess that would be the negative to me, but yeah, I don't know because it's not like I sat there tonight going like, man, I am just feeling this entire thing like a lot of us got tired as we were watching.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, I don't know the right thing is so if it all honesty for me, if this had been a better show, I and I had come away with like more energy, but I

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[SPEAKER_00]: The show is bad.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It just, it didn't live up to the quality of the shows that we've been used to over the course of the WWE existence.

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[SPEAKER_00]: This was, frankly, one of the weaker shows that they've ever put on.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But it still, excellent matches on there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There were just things about it that you felt like the energy wasn't quite what it usually is.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I don't,

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[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know because, you know, I thought last, I thought the all-out show, I thought those last two shows were very similar in my response in that you're going to be able to find some good.

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[SPEAKER_03]: You're going to be able to find some really good and then there's going to be things that they attempt to do the experiment with that I'm going to be ultimately turned off with because that's just not what I like about wrestling, but

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[SPEAKER_03]: Because you do get a variety, there's generally going to be something that you do like.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And there was generally stuff that I liked on this show too.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Like I thought the two matches before the main event back to back were awesome and we'll get to everything as it pertains to the finishes and stuff.

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[SPEAKER_03]: But then the main event just.

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[SPEAKER_03]: That, I don't, I mean, I'm not even sure what they were trying to do there.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So, uh, I guess Brian, uh, I think Brian Alvarez said, I'm, I'm quoting someone else quoting Brian Alvarez, but some of it had to do with like the lack of blood and the lack of crowd brawling was because of the commission.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So, maybe they just don't book there anymore because you can't really do an AEW show in the way that they like to do it without those things.

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[SPEAKER_03]: lady bees in the chat.

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[SPEAKER_03]: She also said that the scrum has name and started so we beat the scrum.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There you go.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We were efficient tonight, Garrett.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, what about that?

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[SPEAKER_00]: For me personally, it had

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[SPEAKER_00]: That main event had problems with it, and we'll get to it when we get to it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But I felt like I thought through some stuff that just didn't work for me on a fundamental level.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And once I made that realization, it just the whole thing kind of fell apart for me.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So I think what we kind of figured out, and we even predicted this going in is, if you love AEW, you probably love that show.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And if you enjoy AEW, but have problems with it at the same time, you're going to have those same problems that that usually have.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And, you know, kind of, if I think about this, the main event, let's kick off the discussion of what the news that comes out of this show.

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[SPEAKER_03]: The main event just fell flat to me.

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[SPEAKER_03]: But I'm not even sure if that was the most disappointed I was on the show.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Because there were some matches earlier in the show.

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[SPEAKER_03]: where they did every single thing you could possibly want to do on a wrestling show, which kind of hurt the matches after it.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And I know some people will say, well, they should just follow it.

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[SPEAKER_03]: But if the match before yours kicks out of like seven finishers, you're going to kick out of eight, like that's not how wrestling should work.

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[SPEAKER_03]: But so the this main event, it was essentially moxley in the death writers trying to commit murder on Darby,

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[SPEAKER_03]: He got, they tried to drown him in water.

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[SPEAKER_03]: They brought out a mocks had those little skewer things, and he was sticking them under his fingernails.

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[SPEAKER_03]: He was, he threw a Claudia through him, did a running breath slam from one end of the ring, ran to the other end of the ring and threw over to the announced table.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Did not break, by the way, so he just bounced.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Um, I don't know what else that what else happened.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, you was also thrown through the two tables by Mobsley immediately after that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Uh, he was, uh, essentially waterboarded like you mentioned, uh, a taser.

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[SPEAKER_03]: There was a taser involved.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The taser involved.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Uh, yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.

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[UNKNOWN]: So.

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[SPEAKER_00]: This was a stunt show match.

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[SPEAKER_00]: This was to get all of the really cool visual sites into the show to a piece of the sickle.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Because at no point during this match, did I ever feel that Maucleus put in so much jeopardy that he would conceivably say, I quit?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like you and I and the other, when we were watching this,

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[SPEAKER_00]: for him to say I quit because we're talking about how Derby would never say I quit.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, like, Frank was speaking neither would mockly.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So if we're at this, like, if we're at this standstill between the two, and you are absolutely brutalizing Derby to the point of just like your uncomfortable, and there was a point where I turned away, and I was just loving and watching the screen.

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[SPEAKER_00]: what it took to defeat mockly at the end was completely incongruised to the rest of the story of the match.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So the big surprise of this match, the arena went black for it felt like 15 to 20 seconds and out came sting who doesn't really look like sting anymore because since he's retired he has stopped dying his hair and he has stopped dying his beard.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And I was like, wow, this is like the ghost of sting, or this is like the zombie sting or a grandpa sting, it was not the same sting, which I think hurt the aura a little bit.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And so he came out and he just had a bat and this is after Darby was nearly drowned like three times.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So he hammers all the death, the writers, some of them are just too freaked out to come to the ring.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Moxley's freaked out, he starts to choke a moxley with the bat, gives the bat to Darby pieces out, grabs Marina, walks her to the back, and everyone was so petrified by this sting and this one bat shot that they could not help moxley anymore.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So then Darby puts him in the

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[SPEAKER_03]: There are going to be people who are going to make excuses for all of this stuff.

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[SPEAKER_03]: The part of the I quit matches you have a live mic so that you can hear the struggle from from some of the wrestlers as they're going through all of this pain.

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[SPEAKER_03]: There was no live mic for anybody you had to like really rely on the referee and as Darby's put mocks in the scorpion deathlock.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Mox isn't struggling in any way.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Mox got hit in the leg with the belt or with the bat like once.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So maybe he was injured.

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[SPEAKER_03]: We didn't know the announcers.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I don't think said anything.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And as Mox is in this scorpion deathlock, what is everybody thinking?

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[SPEAKER_03]: everybody is thinking after all the shit that we've just seen, there is no way in hell, he is just going to tap out in the match.

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[SPEAKER_03]: It's going to end.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Five seconds later, he taps out in the match ends.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So, so, I guess tapping out is also saying I quit, but that's not what we got.

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[SPEAKER_03]: We did not get that outcome, because if you remember during the build to this match, Darby and Moxville said, we're not going to utter these words,

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[SPEAKER_03]: And I guess they never uttered the words because we did not hear them.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I will try to tell that they didn't have a microphone trapped to have like the entire arena and the audience at home here, whoever said I quit, say those words.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We had to take the referee word for it, which took the win personally out of my sales, like it just seemed like if you're going to give so much thought and care to how you commit these

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[SPEAKER_00]: Stump that you're doing in this batch, have your finish walked in, but that's just that basic.

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[SPEAKER_03]: They're needed to be way more damage on Moxley.

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[SPEAKER_03]: We needed that microphone.

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[SPEAKER_03]: It could not just be a random ass scorpion death lock to win this match.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And it wasn't anything to get even the most cowardly of heels to tap out after he just destroyed this man for 20 minutes or however long this match was.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The more that we talk about it, the more frustrated I get because

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[SPEAKER_00]: Ryan Daniels in left, and he was taken out by the death writers, Darby was the guy in a step up.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And there were people in our discord on the internet, just generally saying like, Darby can be the guy.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Darby can win the belt.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Let's put the belt on Darby.

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[SPEAKER_00]: All of these scenarios were all discussed as possibilities because of what you could do with Derby because of how beloved he is, how far he'll go for AEW and all these things.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So this went back over a year and then Derby left, you know, it became clear that he wasn't going to be that standard bearer belt holder.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He was going to carry the flag to Everest, which is impressive in its own right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But this was a feud that should have been molten hot and from the point that Derby returned.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The one thing that they could not do was give Darby a pinfall win over Malkley, which is frankly all they needed to do in order to give him a little bit of credibility.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He lost a match Malkley last month and they did a match this month that prevented Malkley from being pit.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I get that you want to protect Malkley, but Darby is one of your

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[SPEAKER_00]: your guys.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You are making money hand over fist with this guy doing what he does here, pay reviews with his merchandise, with his face being out there all there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And to me, the fact that they did not have the thought that they needed to give this guy the pinfall win, to really cement him as a guy that can beat the top guys at any point and that he loves it, he

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[SPEAKER_00]: they didn't do that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And for me, that feels like a failure.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Also, as we learned, when Hangman conquered the bully at all in, what did it take?

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[SPEAKER_03]: Well, it took a smart ass baby face to have friends to counter the deathwriters.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And Darby,

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[SPEAKER_03]: did not learn that same lesson.

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[SPEAKER_03]: He doesn't have any friends.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And so he was except for one, I guess, which is sting.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And I actually thought the sting part of it was going to be Brian Danielson, but it was sting was fine.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I just didn't like it was always in the back of my head that sting could show up.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But it was just one of those like, yeah, he doesn't have my disappointing myself.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So it was cool.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And uh, but it's just like we just did this story, we know the way to handle these guys is to have a crew and to, you know, fight fire with fire.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And so him not him being alone wolf without his buddies or without anybody, essentially.

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[SPEAKER_03]: He doesn't have to all of a sudden show up with a team, but at some point he should go, oh, yeah, this is just going to happen.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm going to have a crew and the fact that they didn't it just didn't make any sense to me as as this match was or as this feud was going on and even though Darby wins this match.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm not sure what he actually gets out of this.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So either, like, what can happen next?

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's just gonna be Darby wrestling whoever he's gonna show up and he's gonna scare the crap out of some heels because he's terrifying and he's out of this mind, but there's nothing in what happened in this view that makes me think he's headed in a direction to say, like, Reckl-Kile Flutcher for the TBS type.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know what I mean?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like there's like what direction did he go to?

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[SPEAKER_00]: No idea.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's just Darby out.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's just going to do stuff.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So topic number two here that the other news that came out of this show and this this is much I thought this was very well done so be much more positive on this.

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[SPEAKER_03]: But

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[SPEAKER_03]: just at the end of that page.

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[SPEAKER_03]: At the end of that match, I was like, when Moxley tapped out, I was like, this is some bullshit.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Like, we sat here for almost five hours to see some bullshit.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I was, we were, we were speaking about it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I said, I have real concerns about what they're going to do in terms of making Moxley tap out.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And it was just one of those watching the car crash and slow motion.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Like, see, Fernando says, AW championship next for Darby.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I don't want to see

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[SPEAKER_03]: He, he doesn't, he didn't gain anything out of this match to me for him to even sniff the world title.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Do we think he can beat Hangman?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, I don't think, I don't think, I don't think, I don't think, I don't think, I don't think, I don't think, I don't think, I don't think, I don't think, I don't think, I don't think, I don't think, I don't think, I don't think, I don't think, I don't think, I don't think, I don't think, I don't think, I don't think, I don't think, I don't think, I don't think, I don't think, I don't think, I don't think, I don't think, I don't think, I don't think, I don't think, I don't think, I don't think, I don't think, I don't think

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[SPEAKER_00]: I want Darby to feel like he's important, but Darby is there to pop a rating and impress upon a demographic of the audience.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I like Darby.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't really think he's about to do much for me personally, like this violent, the violence and the tax on the skateboard, all that stuff like it is through and through AEW, but it

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[SPEAKER_00]: completely and wholly, wholly not my style of wrestling that I gravitate to.

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[SPEAKER_03]: All right, so Samoa Joe faced Hangman page, which I thought was a very excellent world title match.

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[SPEAKER_03]: It was the match that probably it was either the first or second match I was most looking forward to either being Kylo Riley and Mark Briscoe.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And this was just after seeing so much stuff.

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[SPEAKER_03]: before this match we saw so many similar spots so many similar moves we saw three kickouts by tapping the bottom rope up to this point and we just had a great

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[SPEAKER_03]: fight, brawl, Samoa Joe was awesome in this match.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Hangman was great.

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[SPEAKER_03]: These guys were putting it all on the line.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And at the end of this match, which hangman won with three of his buckshot laryots, the third one finally put Joe down Joe withstood the punishment from the first

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[SPEAKER_03]: Again, Smojo was awesome.

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[SPEAKER_03]: He brings out the ops, their congratulating Joe, Joe's like, waving to the crowd, getting celebrated.

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[SPEAKER_03]: People are giving him his just to hangments, like finally do, shake my hand.

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[SPEAKER_03]: His shakes his hand, they both raised each other's arms, and Joe closed lines this dude all the hell.

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[SPEAKER_03]: They, three on one, beat him up, muscle buster onto the belt.

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[SPEAKER_03]: and leave him laying and hang men had to be helped to the back.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So this field is going to continue.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And in many cases, when you do this, I'm like, okay, why?

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[SPEAKER_03]: But because Joe was so fantastic and he's, he wasn't even, he wasn't the baby face in this field.

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[SPEAKER_03]: By the way, it wasn't baby face, baby.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Joe did lean a little bit heel and now he's all the way heel.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So Shabbata, Joe, Hobbs, the raw heels.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And they are going to face the hurts and to get on dynamite for the Trees title, we'll get to the hurts and to get thing in a second.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And so now, whatever if Joe's going to get another title shot or maybe they're going to do blood and guts, we'll see what happens there, but I'm down for this because I thought Joe was just fantastic in this match.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I'm with you.

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[SPEAKER_00]: This was the Metro's most looking forward to with that, uh, Takeshda Ocada, Brodino tag match being my personal number two.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I thought this delivered what it needed to.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And this to me was the true main event of the show.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It, if,

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[SPEAKER_00]: If I had my way, they wouldn't made that other match.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I can, I'm sanctioned by that.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, it wasn't even really wrestling match.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It was, no, it was a stunt show.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm like, you called it a stunt show.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You bring it out there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But this to me, the AEW men's world championship, Joe or Rock is going to like that one.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Uh, to me, I had a problem with hangman pages first rain, because his feuds felt like they were not against the top guys.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They were against Lancarcher and Adam Cole at the time, and who had a little bit more shine than he did later on, and think, but he still didn't feel like the guy up until he feuded with, you know, punk and then dropped the title to him.

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[SPEAKER_00]: based in Somodio, facing MJF, going against ball clean.

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[SPEAKER_00]: This feels like the top guy wrestling against the top guys.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And they're having top guy matches.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm 100% with you that you can run it back with Somodio either in a TV match or run it again at full gear in another paperview.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm fine with it either way because Joe

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's fantastic at being a top wrestler, wrestling, a violent made of that style.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I think Hangman has done everything that he needed to do to represent himself as a top baby face champion of a promotion.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So the third topic of news that I grabbed from the show, we already have a match for full

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[SPEAKER_03]: who beat the surprise champion of Mina and she was the interim ROH TV champion.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So that's how Mercedes won her record breaking title.

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[SPEAKER_03]: She won her match.

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[SPEAKER_03]: It was good.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I would say it was good.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Tony Storm and Chris Statlander had the match right before.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Chris Statland or one, I thought the match was pretty good, but it was hurt by a lot of the matches that preceded it because some of those matches and I'll call out the young bucks in Jack Perry and luch source.

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[SPEAKER_03]: It was indulgent like the timing was great.

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[SPEAKER_03]: The bucks are fantastic.

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[SPEAKER_03]: But that was too much, like I don't know, I mean wrestling cards used to try and not sabotage other matches on the show, but like how can you know, if you're Tony storm and you're Kristatlin, you're trying to do like a really strong like, you know, who's the best woman and you're you're not doing these crazy high spots because that's just not your style.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So the crowd kind of sits back a little bit.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And you're doing this match and they got into it, you know, by the by the end of it, but it just did not look as spectacular as the other match, which had like, you know, 20 near falls and people going crazy because they thought it was the pin and it wasn't the pin and I'm just sitting back going like, this is way too much like who can follow this stuff.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So like I think that match, if you if you kind of like,

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[SPEAKER_03]: took it outside of that show and just like had someone watch it just watch this match.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I think people would go on that match was really good.

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[SPEAKER_03]: But as a part of this paper view, I think it did lose a little bit of of mustard.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Anyway, Stattliner did win the match.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Tony Storm was in a long submission spot and you know, she did not tap and she's fighting.

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[SPEAKER_03]: She's a

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[SPEAKER_03]: fight number one contender former champion in Chris did go over it.

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[SPEAKER_03]: You know, I think Chris I was saying that, you know, she should be commended for getting in tremendous shape.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I know she's had lots of injuries.

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[SPEAKER_03]: But she looks like the part for the AW Women's World Champion right now.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And I'm all for her being the top person right now.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So she wins.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And as she's like celebrating her victory, Mercedes is music plays and her.

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[SPEAKER_03]: What, what, what did they call the three dudes who come out and hold her?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, it was Graff Garrick and Cole Carter and

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[SPEAKER_00]: the other dude and they used to be the varsity bombs and they're, they're whatever.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Let's just, let's just call them the fuck boys.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I think that's kind of, yeah, yeah, we're sure.

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[SPEAKER_03]: You're from them.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And so, you know, she just interrupts Kristen.

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[SPEAKER_03]: She's like, you know, it's my turn, get out of here and Chris just kind of looks at her and walks away.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And I was like, man, you know, Chris has kind of, Chris has got the ace belt.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Like Mercedes has got the, the other belt.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They're the front house, by the way.

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[SPEAKER_03]: No, okay, the front house.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So then after Mercedes does does beat Mina, then Chris comes back out and they kind of challenge each other for their title.

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[SPEAKER_03]: It's for Chris's belt, not specifically for Mercedes's belt.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And I think it's a really good match.

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[SPEAKER_03]: You got we got a month or however long until the next paper view, so they can do their thing.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And I think it feels like a good match and depending on what they really want to do, you can either ascend or Mercedes to having your top belt and the other ones, or it's just another solidifying match for Crystal Ender, so I'm all for it.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And my hope is unlike this show,

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[SPEAKER_03]: We get the proper build for that match because that match if you have title versus title, well, not title versus title, but champion versus champion on the women's side like that should be second from the top at the very least because on this show.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And you knew the way they're putting together the show that they weren't as meaningful as some of those other men's matches so let's make sure that Chris Statlander and Mercedes money is a one of the top two or three matches on the next show like I think you by having those two women in there you need to have that match of supreme importance because you did just both of your champions.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Before I go on my diet drive, do you, would you make, if, if some O Joe and hangman page are running it back one more time, would you make Chris that winter versus we're city money, the main event of the show.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I don't think they can do it just because.

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[SPEAKER_03]: the way that the AEW style currently is, the fans like the high spots, the crazy athletic spots, the power spots, and the women just aren't able to do those moves in the same fashion.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So I don't think that they'll, at this point, I don't see them ever doing it unless

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[SPEAKER_03]: There is a female star who is like the Becky Lynch from 2019, where she ascends and is actually a bigger star than a male wrestler no matter what the push is.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I don't think that they're there with any of these women.

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[SPEAKER_03]: The time to do it would have probably been when Tony was over, when she really really got over and.

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[SPEAKER_03]: That would have been the time, but I just don't see that right now, you know, all if you saved Tony storm and Mercedes, if you didn't have it on all in and maybe had it on all out, then maybe you could have done that, but they didn't do it that way.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So I don't think so yet, they don't have a real Ripley yet where.

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[SPEAKER_03]: The fans not only see her as as big as any of the male stars, but also that she can have the same quality of matches because she herself is so strong and so athletic.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So it's a little bit of a cop out by me and I don't mean it to be, but that this is how...

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[SPEAKER_00]: There's a real quick answer to that.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Both companies look at the wrestling styles in this way.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, there's a realistic answer to it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's like, it's not the popular pragmatic answer, but we're not here to defend the company.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, it's a legitimate question.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Do you think the company would do this?

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[SPEAKER_00]: They haven't done it up to this point.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It is Mercedes Monet.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It is two titles, and click a title for title.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Or like, at least one titles have for grabs.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It could be some order to the Kyle Flutter kind of thing with our Hangman page where only one is on the line.

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[SPEAKER_00]: impossible, I don't know if this is the time to do it, but they didn't come to create of here, and I'll give them credit in which they, like, they buoyed these two women magic together and made one giant segment out of it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And you know, you'll experiment in a little bit what you had to crystal enter defeating Tony Storm and what you're trying to solidify crystal enter as the women grow champion.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Then you have Mercedes Monet, like you say, come down there, but she completely, little sisters like Chris Statwander in a way where you, you just really hope that Statwander will come back and do it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But in my mind, Statwander needed to pop her before the batch.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, just be like, I'm the champion, like no.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then Mercedes has to go through her match with the Mina Shirakawa, which frankly set up another thing, which is putting Mina and Tony together in the tag team tournament and making them the first tag team chain.

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[SPEAKER_03]: That was the fallout of both of them losing was that it's kind of funny.

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[SPEAKER_03]: We both lost the singles titles matches.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So now we should

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[SPEAKER_03]: probably a little bit of a disappointment in the surprise here.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yes.

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[SPEAKER_03]: We were trying to figure this out who could be the surprise because Tony specifically said on Twitter, Tony Khan, that is, that it was going to be a somebody who had a belt.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So that took out a lot of the possibilities and we were like, okay, well, Mina has the ROH TV title, the interim.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Are they going to do a stardom thing?

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[SPEAKER_00]: We're fake, homotonic.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Ew, we just, we were starting to go down the rabbit hole.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And this was, frankly,

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[SPEAKER_00]: an underwhelming choice and there was an aspect during the match of like it felt like it didn't make sense and maybe like to have somebody else in itself through but after words when Tony and Mina had that segment and they're like were were losers together and then they do that we're gonna announce the brackets for the women tag keep trying to make it like please please people I I hope that you can all read between the lines

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[SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, there was a definite fit into a half a dozen basket in this whole thing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There were aspects where they really tried to make Mercedes look like the bigger star and had they had to tap lander, pop her before the match and then Mercedes call her out after the match of like, no, you don't do that to me, and then they get any other faces.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It would have felt more like they were on an equal level

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[SPEAKER_00]: have gotten tired of this trifle and it's going to take this title for stepping up to me and they went so far to

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[SPEAKER_00]: set the groundwork and credibility of everything in there and there were these little missteps to make the objects make crystal entered seem lesser than she should be when the entire goal has been setting her up as one of the top women or at least giving you that impression and then they undid it with trying to win a little sister.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Lady B said someone at the scrum asks Chris if she and moon Mercedes should main event full gear and she basically said it doesn't matter I'll do my best I would have said hell yeah, but then maybe Tony con would have turned you like you okay I'm right in a main event anytime anywhere including a full gear.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_03]: All right, so.

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[SPEAKER_03]: those were kind of the the big hits.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Let's go through some of the show here.

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[SPEAKER_03]: We'll just go by order.

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[SPEAKER_03]: We're not going to spend a whole lot of time on not a lot to talk about on the show.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So deathwriters in the tailgate brawl, our deathwriters beat Roddy Strong in the Conglomeration.

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[SPEAKER_03]: uh... hook in any kinks and defeated the aforementioned frat house uh... nobody look good at this batch and the frat house were secretive right they were not named i don't think as far as i know as far as last tv that i saw i don't think they were named i would be cage match and this is what they're labeled so it's like i'm just going with

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[SPEAKER_03]: Harley Cameron and Willow Nightingale defeated Megan Bane and Penelope Ford and then anybody has interrupted it with poison ivy and Harley Quinn, the Megan Bane and Penelope before.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, God's playing out's because of the DC comet's sponsorship.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, that's good.

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[SPEAKER_03]: That's cool.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And then the main event of this hour was FTR and JetSpeed, and I get to Dave's house, because John the Rocka had texted us all about, I don't know, 20 minutes after the hour, and he was like, is anyone at Dave's yet?

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[SPEAKER_03]: And I was like, nope.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Not only am I no kings, but I am also no tailgate brawl and and then I did get there like I don't know 10 minutes before the paper if you started and I was like, oh, I'm sure the FTR and jet speed match will be like

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[SPEAKER_03]: Like cooking and I get there and they didn't even start yet.

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[SPEAKER_03]: It was in commercial and then they bring out FTR and it was like five minutes.

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[SPEAKER_03]: They had like a running clock before the paper view started.

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[SPEAKER_03]: It was like five minutes.

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[SPEAKER_03]: They didn't even go to zero.

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[SPEAKER_03]: They went to like one minute and they cut the thing off.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then they went to their own internal commercial break.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And then they went to commercial break.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And it was to say, hey, guys, if you want to watch the end of this match, you got to buy the paper view, which is just, which is an interesting experiment.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know if they piss people off or if they didn't, that probably told you that most of the people who are watching that show were going to eventually watch the paper view as well.

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[SPEAKER_03]: it would be like the great american bash tour and i'd be watching uh... in w a world wide and and like uh... you know rick flair is getting helicopter into the ring and then out comes road warrior hawk and then tony shivani goes

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[SPEAKER_03]: We've run out of time.

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[SPEAKER_03]: We'll see you next week and you don't even see them lock up at all.

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[SPEAKER_03]: It was like this complete like just I don't I mean at some point in your even when you're a little kid.

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[SPEAKER_03]: You don't fall for it anymore, but it's like man talk about a tease and a half.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So and that's kind of what this was because the reason why I know this is because somebody who was in our discord, who may or may not be named Paul Fontaine,

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[SPEAKER_03]: he kind of fell for the banana and the tailpipe because he only watched the tailgate brawl.

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[SPEAKER_03]: He has, I think he started the paper view late, but he had other stuff going on.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And so he was like, what the F is going on?

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[SPEAKER_03]: They went off air.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And like, I don't think any of us have the heart to tell him bro, like, you'll see it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It got the barbecue.

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[SPEAKER_03]: But yeah, like that was that was the whole thing and I hope it works for them.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I like it when you try different stuff like that.

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[SPEAKER_03]: You experiment to see and then you go with what works and maybe it doesn't matter.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Maybe it didn't increase buys in any way.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And I can't imagine it did, but maybe if you did it with.

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[SPEAKER_03]: a bigger match than that.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Maybe if you did it with one of the top matches, maybe you do the ring walks for like one of the top matches on the show and you do that on the tailgate brawl and you tease the paper views coming.

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[SPEAKER_03]: If you want to see this match, you've got to watch on paper view.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So I was totally fine with the way that they did it.

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[SPEAKER_03]: But yeah, you know, I guess we'll hear if anybody was upset about it.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So

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[SPEAKER_00]: So, you and I have been talking for a few minutes now, and someone who gets the sentence out probably a little critical on this show, and we're getting to it, but I'm gonna give him a little bit of credit here.

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[SPEAKER_00]: they had a Saturday tailgate brawl and it went off the air.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so when you started the show for, you know, the rest of the dream, 2025, you had that cash fighting jet speed in the middle of the ring literally brawling one on one with each other as if they were just getting out of a

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[SPEAKER_00]: they're brawling coming out of the tailgate brawl.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That collision episode was as advertised.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Thank you.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Thank you for brawling coming out of the tailgate brawl.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And that to me was just like that was the kind of thoughtfulness that I'd hope that would be on the entire show and was just kind of missing from the age of 10 later on.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Okay, so FTR.

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[SPEAKER_03]: wins a match.

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[SPEAKER_03]: A pretty good match.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I thought that was that was well well done and, you know, kind of, it was a hot crowd.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Well, well, the crowd knew their role.

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[SPEAKER_03]: They saw that it was their, it was their role to kind of go crazy.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Once the paper view started and the, the, the pyro went off and these guys are, you know, doing the slug fest, the crowd, the crowd knew, okay, this is our time to shine.

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[SPEAKER_03]: We're going to shine and they did and they made that match even

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[SPEAKER_00]: The Kevin night was particularly good at that match.

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[SPEAKER_03]: He's always good.

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[SPEAKER_03]: He just never wins.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He just wanted to win.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I just want to take Kevin night was good.

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[SPEAKER_03]: The the true opener of this paper view was a Jamie Hater and Tecla and Jamie Hater won.

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[SPEAKER_03]: It went 15 minutes.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Everyone was banned from ringside.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So Everyone who's going to be in blood and guts could not be there to interfere.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So it's just one on one.

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[SPEAKER_03]: there were two moments in this match where they kind of lost the plot of what they were trying to do and time stood still and they were trying to figure out where to go.

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[SPEAKER_03]: If you take those two spots, one happened kind of midway through and one happened near the end.

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[SPEAKER_03]: If you take those two spots out,

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[SPEAKER_03]: Tecla is has something that Jamie Hader used to have and doesn't really have anymore.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So I would like to see Tecla win this match, but Jamie Hader won.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I don't think Tecla really lost anything from losing.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And yeah, so Jamie Hater wins the opener and looked completely fine, but they are building to this women's blood and guts match and kind of going back to the conversation while I was saying about how they don't see the women yet truly as the main eventors.

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[SPEAKER_03]: This blood and guts match is like a battle of the midcard teams or the upper midcard team.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Like I that's the part I don't understand now, some would say, well, the the top women have all these other things going on.

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[SPEAKER_03]: You know, but when I watch war games, WWE is going to have war games on survivor series, guess who's going to be in the in that war games match all the top women.

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[SPEAKER_03]: the the reasons to have those women in the matches, but you're going to have a blood and guts match for the women the first ever blood and guts match.

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[SPEAKER_03]: You're not going to have Mercedes in it.

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[SPEAKER_03]: You're not going to have Tony in it.

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[SPEAKER_03]: It doesn't look like.

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[SPEAKER_03]: You're not going to have Jamie Hader in it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It doesn't get a stand blender.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm sorry, not Jimmy Hader, is it it you're not going to have stat lender.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So I don't it almost not to say that they're trying to set it up for failure because I do not think that that is the case.

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[SPEAKER_03]: It is just not as important as it would be with women who are higher on the card.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They don't have enough people at the cache of the main event level.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Okay, so what is that say about this upcoming tag tournament?

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[SPEAKER_00]: It

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[SPEAKER_00]: I hope that they're able to elevate people from and let the women show up and show out in the tag matches.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You need to give them the same amount of time, the jet speed and FTR had to show whether they have the cachet and the ability to do this, you know, working with each other,

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, like there are, you know, penelping and making bay should be well-oiled.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I will get that blinding gut for the women.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And in my mind, I want to call it the zero hour old start.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Those are the people that are going to be in that blinding gut.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And that's the other part is whenever we see them,

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[SPEAKER_03]: It is always on the pre show or not in important matches or, you know, on dynamite or, you know, I mean, on collision.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So yeah, there's also something's like, okay, we, if we know that they're going to be in blood and guts, I guess we do have a month.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Hopefully we see more queen.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm not a on dynamite in a big spot.

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[SPEAKER_00]: If Tacua going to be the captain is Megan Baine going to be the captain of the heels, like it sure seems like Jamie Hader is the front person for the baby face side, but it's kind of like, if either Tacua or Megan Baine and right now since Tacua walks that match, I kind of think he's like take a bat seat, Megan Baine's charge now.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Who took the pin in the Megan Baine Penelope match Penelope?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh Penelope did he.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Okay, okay.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Well, and look, I've had this, I've had this conversation on many shows, the last show that I did with Paul takedown, it was either takedown or fight game.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I was saying in relation to WWE in that, you know, we need to, we need to build better stories for the women because the WWE women as far as in the ring,

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[SPEAKER_03]: They can have some dynamite matches, especially because they work with if Rhea and EO and Oscar and those folks are working together.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They're going to be absolutely making you care.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, but I want to see more women's programs being positioned as important.

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[SPEAKER_03]: rather than midcard to upper midcard.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Like, let's give them more important stories.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And in the AEW side, it's almost like, let's just give them more FaceTime in important segments to tell the fans like, okay, you should care about this stuff.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So it's not even about, you know, my thoughts about the wrestling or whatever, but it's about Tony Kahn's thoughts when it comes to the booking and how do you book these women more importantly?

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[SPEAKER_03]: That's the part that I wanna see.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The, um, when you were telling me about like investing in the women in the story, did you catch the the verbal gag that Harley did again, facing FTR last week, where he's like FTR feel the wrath and it was with the, the R and so the W. Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Hey, Harley, you know, you forgot to W and there's like, no, I didn't, I'm going for the W to none.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And you're just like, God, they have it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, she's like that's not the winner.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Well, you know, I mean, you know, at FTW as it was TASIS thing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But you know, she was doing the FTR field of wrath, but like did the wrath without the W. Yeah, no, she's great.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Now, now she just needs to level up her wrestling, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, yes, and it appears that she is working very very hard behind the scenes because every time she's showing up on these zero hour shows the work rate and the and the work is getting more and more acceptable, you know, she had that mattress Mercedes earlier in the year and there were people that were like went to belt her what like this is an opportunity.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And now I feel like they put enough time and energy in her, not only she rehabilitated from that time, she may actually be better and good enough to stand on her own eventually.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So second match on this show, Jurassic Express against the young books, I feel like

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[SPEAKER_03]: What?

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_03]: No, don't.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I feel like I have to preface this every time I talk about the box because I really like the box.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I get a kick out of the box.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I hate this current storyline with the broke box and this cutesy stuff with their, um, you know, with their, their Titan Tron, you know, intros and such and the no music and being broke and like either Tony Khan leans into his very smart fan base.

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[SPEAKER_03]: or he leans into this heavy k-fabe and this is leaning into heavy k-fabe and there's just don't think it fits.

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[SPEAKER_03]: It's it's a waste of the bucks.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I know lots of people are get a kick out of it.

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[SPEAKER_03]: They have a laugh.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm fine with being funny, but this is also not important, which is the the thing.

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[SPEAKER_03]: The bucks need to be important.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And when you make this about the Gaga and the jokes and these skits that are filmed with an iPhone, I'm out.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I don't, I don't have, I want to watch professional wrestling, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't want to watch.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't want to watch important.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And it's not important what they're doing.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I don't want to watch amateurish indie style stuff.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I want to see important professional wrestling.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And so, but again, I love the box.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm a big fan of the box.

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[SPEAKER_03]: But when they do a match that is second,

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[SPEAKER_03]: the second match on the card.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And you'd basically do everything possible in a match from heat to shine to heat to shine to kick out of this match, finish or kick out of this finish or reversal in this, this was 21 minutes of, you know, I wanted to look at how long, okay, how long by comparison.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So there were, this was the fourth longest match on the show.

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[SPEAKER_03]: and the only matches longer were the main event and the main event really had a lot of stalling in it and it was more about the visual.

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[SPEAKER_03]: The tag team match which we'll talk about the second and then Kyle Fletcher and Mark Brisco.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I my guess is Tony saw this show as

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[SPEAKER_03]: You kind of have four matches that we're going to be better than all of the rest.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And so you tried to separate them in a way.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And I guess I kind of get that, but when the books do everything and Jurassic Express do everything, what does it leave for everyone else to do?

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[SPEAKER_03]: Again, Chris Dattlaner and Timeless Tony Storm, I thought we're hurt the most by a lot of this indulgent style of wrestling that we saw tonight.

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[SPEAKER_03]: uh... the young bucks did lose uh... jack parry and luch source one so they won the money and then don call us is uh... b-teamers came out and attacked jack and luch source and then uh... can you make a came out for the safe so great can you make a moment got to see him yay he was supposed to be on this show it was supposed to be he in kota obushi the golden lovers were going to be back kota got hurt big bomber because i think they would have been in if kota was

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[SPEAKER_03]: 65% of code I think it would have been pretty cool.

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[SPEAKER_03]: But unfortunately, that is not going to happen.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So yeah, so you got your Jack Perry moment, you got your luchessaurus moment, and Kenny raised their arms.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I don't imagine they're in Trio's land because we did get an update to the Trio's situation, but possibly down the line maybe they will be involved in that, but I still think

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[SPEAKER_03]: Um, the hurts indicate beat the demand.

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[SPEAKER_03]: It was a tornado's trio's match after we just saw a tag team match that broke out into a tornado match.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So, big deal with the stipulation.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Exactly.

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[SPEAKER_00]: How many times are we going to see these guys do the dance?

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know what I mean?

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[SPEAKER_03]: Like, I'm guessing this is it for a little bit because I hope so.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Hertz and the kit are then are now programmed with the ops.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So, the demand caught them the match.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You're right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It did.

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[SPEAKER_00]: like the running joke is there's only three people that the hurricane didn't want to wrestle and put over.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And it's the demand.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So that's who they keep wrestling.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And it just kind of like it can in the elegant solution, match of fine.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I just I liked it.

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[SPEAKER_03]: That's that the match is good.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, the match is totally fine.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's just

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[SPEAKER_00]: Every time I turn on an AEW program, it's the three I for this is the three guys.

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[SPEAKER_03]: You know, you mentioned earlier, or you told me you didn't say it on the show that you didn't even finish Dynamite and that you haven't finished all of Dynamite of Lay.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, it's hard.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And so you said that, and I thought, okay, that's kind of interesting.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And then John Loracca said, he did not finish dynamite and some of that is because he knew that he didn't have to do the show with me on Thursday because he had another stuff going on, but then both of our friends, the the the Rubio brothers, they both said that they haven't watched any AEW television since the last paper view right now you're talking for out of us five now David and I have watched every single one.

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[SPEAKER_03]: But four out of our crew are not watching dynamite as much as they used to.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And I wonder if that's a real sample because we've seen numbers fluctuate of late these big data ratings.

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[SPEAKER_03]: But I do wonder, you know, is this a show that you don't really have to watch the weekly television to pay attention to?

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[SPEAKER_03]: And I say that because I thought

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[SPEAKER_03]: was fine.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And the build made me less interested, which is kind of the opposite of what TV is for.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And so yeah, I think there's, you know, I think some of it is Tony's probably now that dynamite is six years old, you know, how can you be fresh and new when you've done, you know, hundreds of shows and how can you be, how can you be unique and different when

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[SPEAKER_03]: There's only so many finishes in wrestling and there's so many so many angles and there's only so many ways to do an interview.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And so now a lot's have repeated stuff.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, the repeat, the repeated stuff when Din might first started in 2019, 2020, 2021.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There was a freshness in which Tony was booking and you would get finishes and you almost start seeing the pecking order of who was booked above other and where everything was going.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It was experimental, but you could kind of see like the blueprint for it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We're six years in and not only can you see the blueprint, it's just the same formulas over and over and over again.

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[SPEAKER_00]: With the same guys being protected, the same guys losing the upward mobility, you know, like watching Daniel Garcia.

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[SPEAKER_00]: become the geek guy in the death and the deathwriters are getting dispatched almost immediately with pepper spray before anything else.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, yeah, going to the deathwriters will get up great.

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[SPEAKER_00]: No, it was a lateral geek, you know, I don't think it was worse for him.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm moving, but yeah, and so I'm just watching and I just, it's so formulaic and

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm rarely going to get surprised at the end of an AEW Dynamite.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I was like, oh, wow, I really wish I would have seen that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, I haven't had a feeling like that in a while because they saved that for the paper view and they don't want to shock you because they don't want to feel like they wasted a surprise on a low viewership.

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[SPEAKER_03]: sure.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Sure.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So this match at that, I thought it was good.

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[SPEAKER_03]: You know, the thing about the hurts and it can't even though these dudes are like in their 40s and maybe even older.

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[SPEAKER_03]: They're working hard.

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[SPEAKER_03]: They're working hard, but they're also cool.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_03]: MVP Bobby Lashley and Shelton together are cool.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Now, are they too cool sometimes?

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[SPEAKER_03]: Probably the big time the other guys in the ring because they are cool and they have been stars before probably, but there is something there with them.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And you can tell because the crowd sings along with them.

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[SPEAKER_03]: The crowd sees them in that way.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And so, you know, the crowd was saying, saying, we hurt people over and over and over.

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[SPEAKER_03]: the demand didn't really have a chance with this crowd.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I don't think people thought that they were going to win.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Ricochet.

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[SPEAKER_03]: It was a three on one.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Ricochet against the three guys and he got pulled out and Bishop was just like Bishop caught it.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I got this and then he just got smoked and he lost.

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[SPEAKER_03]: He took every.

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[SPEAKER_03]: He took all three of their finishers.

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[SPEAKER_03]: and they lost the match, but I thought it was good to good usage of the hurts and to get though the way that they win these matches, if you didn't know anything about wrestling, you would be like, how come they're not like the top crew, like they win impressively all the time.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So that it's going to be interesting to see how they position them from here on out, because like you said,

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[SPEAKER_03]: they liked facing the gates of agony and now looks like they're going to be moved out there.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So now the ops maybe maybe like you said the gates of agony do help them do do something in that match we'll see.

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[SPEAKER_03]: But I do like that hey you're you're telling me and I hate this trio's belt because I think it's a waste of time.

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[SPEAKER_03]: But the hurts indicate with Bobby Lashley against the ops with Simone.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's actually, yes, that's me that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's

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[SPEAKER_03]: uh... okay so let's go through the rest of the show uh... co-fletcher and mark brisco really good match a little indulgenty at some point as well though not as much as the box match the only thing i didn't like about this match and it's it's not even a major dislike i still liked ninety five percent of it is uh... mighty mark was kicking some rear end here and kyle was just selling and selling and selling

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[SPEAKER_03]: And then he went from like selling his ass off to boom, finishing sequence in about a blink of an eye.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And I would have liked a little bit more of a transition there.

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[SPEAKER_03]: But Kyle is a star and he's going to keep ascending.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And Mighty Mark is kind of like the heart of AEW right now.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And we had a conversation with Leraka, had mentioned Eddie Kingston.

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[SPEAKER_03]: He was kind of jokingly asking Dave like, what's up with Eddie Kingston?

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[SPEAKER_03]: And I was like, the brother got market corrected when he was gone because Mighty Mark Briscoe is doing everything that Eddie Kingston was doing and probably better at this point for what the role is.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So I, and he was like, well, you can have Jimmy valiant and dusty roads on the same shows like, yeah, yeah, I know, but still like that's, you know, Mark Briscoe is doing all the Eddie Kingston stuff right now.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So he's his great, Mark Briscoe.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Like, that guy is amazing.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I love that guy.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I really liked this match, but what it felt like to me was a regression back to the valuation that both guys had before last month's paper few.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Because Kyle Fletcher had the match with Hangman and he lost and Brisco had the match with MJF and he won.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And they're a little bit of an elevation for one guy and a little bit of a, you know, a knockdown for the other because you What you'll walk the end of the world title guy.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like if it's a bunch of being a part of the dance, you know, you kind of have to win your next match.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so you're going to this one and to me of like Kyle Flutter's always winning this match because, you know, he lost the one last week.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And Mark Brisco can lose this because he just beat MJF.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so

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[SPEAKER_00]: That to me felt like we're just putting people back to where we were using them and the values they had on the roster, you know, what this guy is going to be able to do and what his ceiling is and what his for.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It might have changed a little bit for both guys, both upwards, but generally they are right back to the same spot they were a month ago.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm not sure if that's good or bad, but I do need to call it Spain to Spain when I see that.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So where does where do you think Kyle goes from here?

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think he's going to go.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You're going to have a title for you to get somebody.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And I think he did the open challenge thing and that maybe what he's doing on Wednesday.

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[SPEAKER_03]: But Ellie is dragging.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I've already cast in one.

57:59.118 --> 58:00.520
[SPEAKER_03]: So he's not going to be on that.

58:00.938 --> 58:08.028
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, they didn't need to waste some time until the continental classic because it's clearly going to be one of the guys of that one.

58:08.549 --> 58:13.056
[SPEAKER_00]: And you know, I don't see him losing the title before the continental classic.

58:13.156 --> 58:15.619
[SPEAKER_00]: So you've just going to have a guy.

58:15.639 --> 58:22.269
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I'm trying to think of who would I want to see him face next on the baby face side.

58:22.549 --> 58:27.857
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I feel like it needs to be somebody that will talk on this paper view.

58:27.837 --> 58:31.143
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, do you do like a Jack Curry single smash?

58:31.163 --> 58:44.365
[SPEAKER_00]: Do you do Darby you know like these are the guys that are pretty much available at this point I don't want anybody in the conglomeration don't know swirr I want to have close to being ready swirviz.

58:44.385 --> 58:49.474
[SPEAKER_00]: Do you think swirviz gonna do a bell to get out the world title at this point?

58:50.855 --> 58:59.112
[SPEAKER_03]: Um, I think he can, um, I mean, he didn't see all that interrupted when he knew doing that match with Ocata.

58:59.933 --> 59:05.725
[SPEAKER_03]: He should want to go after hangman for sure, but if he if his return

59:06.262 --> 59:18.595
[SPEAKER_03]: Is in an open challenge match against Kyle Fletcher that I mean, then I would guess that match would go to some sort of non finish, but You know, swore of winning that title to ascend back into the title.

59:18.935 --> 59:23.980
[SPEAKER_00]: I can see guys like Michael Oku showing up to wrestle Kyle Fletcher over there.

59:24.000 --> 59:25.502
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, but that's very predictable.

59:25.522 --> 59:26.222
[SPEAKER_03]: We know it's going to.

59:26.242 --> 59:29.866
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, but you know Kyle Fletcher's going to be winning against all those matches.

59:29.926 --> 59:32.809
[SPEAKER_00]: You might as well put them against guys that could wrestle.

59:32.789 --> 59:36.994
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I mean, if you put him against Swerv, I think people would think, oh, Swerv must be there to win the belt.

59:37.534 --> 59:39.336
[SPEAKER_00]: Do you, that's a paper if you match.

59:39.457 --> 59:50.029
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, what are they doing up to that point and throughout this, you know, because of the Calus family stuff, you know, I don't completely rule out Jack Perry.

59:50.069 --> 59:58.138
[SPEAKER_03]: You could end up doing Kenny Omega and that's really where they need to go back to, which

59:58.490 --> 01:00:03.536
[SPEAKER_03]: maybe that Omega would come out when when Fletcher was posing, but I don't know.

01:00:03.757 --> 01:00:05.158
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, I hope they go back to that.

01:00:05.579 --> 01:00:07.942
[SPEAKER_00]: I think that that is a match that needs to happen.

01:00:08.102 --> 01:00:10.585
[SPEAKER_03]: That would be the guy to beat to continue the Ascent.

01:00:10.866 --> 01:00:21.279
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, like Fletcher beating Omega to really legitimize him would make him for the rest of his five-year-old strategy and stuff.

01:00:21.299 --> 01:00:23.201
[SPEAKER_03]: Everyone thinks that dude's going to WWE.

01:00:23.862 --> 01:00:28.007
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't throw a bag of cash out of him, but he's not a lot of reasons to stay.

01:00:28.207 --> 01:00:31.172
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, I think Tony Khan's bag will be bigger.

01:00:31.212 --> 01:00:33.757
[SPEAKER_03]: It'll just be what he sees as the opportunity.

01:00:34.238 --> 01:00:36.882
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, again, a lot of reasons to stay.

01:00:37.343 --> 01:00:39.928
[SPEAKER_03]: Chris, we talked about the two women's title matches.

01:00:40.268 --> 01:00:41.751
[SPEAKER_03]: We don't have to repeat that.

01:00:42.412 --> 01:00:43.534
[SPEAKER_00]: Just a little more matches.

01:00:44.796 --> 01:00:53.151
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, so bro Dito defeated Don Callis, family, Kazuchko Kada, Knowska Takeshita,

01:00:53.587 --> 01:00:55.190
[SPEAKER_03]: And I really enjoyed this match.

01:00:55.550 --> 01:00:57.734
[SPEAKER_03]: I love, you know, I'm an Ocarga guy.

01:00:57.874 --> 01:01:06.890
[SPEAKER_03]: So getting to see him perform even when he is not the world title 100% because he was to Ocarga.

01:01:07.010 --> 01:01:16.506
[SPEAKER_03]: I still get to kick out of him because in the reason is because he understands how to be a star, which is kind of a hard thing to do.

01:01:16.823 --> 01:01:20.507
[SPEAKER_03]: Like I think there, you know, I think Kyle is kind of getting there, right?

01:01:20.547 --> 01:01:23.570
[SPEAKER_03]: Like that is part of his ascension is getting to be a star.

01:01:24.251 --> 01:01:30.938
[SPEAKER_03]: But Ocada has that Takeshita hopefully is learning from being in the ring with Ocada.

01:01:30.978 --> 01:01:35.963
[SPEAKER_03]: Because that is the part of his game that he could improve and that he should be improving.

01:01:36.003 --> 01:01:42.730
[SPEAKER_03]: Now that he's on the the level that he's at, being the IWGP champion.

01:01:43.267 --> 01:01:49.685
[SPEAKER_03]: I've continued to say that even as the tag team champions, they feel like they're like the fourth with the fifth most important team.

01:01:50.387 --> 01:01:53.637
[SPEAKER_03]: Getting a win here was really cool for them.

01:01:53.717 --> 01:01:57.327
[SPEAKER_03]: I thought especially because of all people.

01:01:58.015 --> 01:02:04.223
[SPEAKER_03]: Bandito gets to pin Kazuchko Ocata on an AEW television show.

01:02:05.384 --> 01:02:08.108
[SPEAKER_03]: That was pretty big and, you know, he's still selling the shoulder.

01:02:08.168 --> 01:02:12.954
[SPEAKER_03]: So he does the 21 Plex with the one arm and he beats Ocata.

01:02:12.994 --> 01:02:14.436
[SPEAKER_03]: And that was, that was amazing.

01:02:14.736 --> 01:02:17.459
[SPEAKER_03]: In there now we get a single match between the two on one.

01:02:17.479 --> 01:02:21.004
[SPEAKER_03]: And they're going to have a one on one match on a dynamic, which is great.

01:02:21.064 --> 01:02:27.432
[SPEAKER_03]: See, and this is, this is one of the things that as we've been doing this A to be post game live show that we've been talking about as,

01:02:27.850 --> 01:02:28.231
[SPEAKER_03]: Okay.

01:02:28.271 --> 01:02:29.532
[SPEAKER_03]: We just saw this paper view.

01:02:30.634 --> 01:02:32.116
[SPEAKER_03]: All these people just spent their money.

01:02:32.156 --> 01:02:39.767
[SPEAKER_03]: Now, how do you reward them by connecting with they just saw to the television show?

01:02:40.468 --> 01:02:44.113
[SPEAKER_03]: And, you know, we've thought about, okay, hangman beats John Moxie.

01:02:44.153 --> 01:02:45.955
[SPEAKER_03]: What do we open dynamite with?

01:02:46.536 --> 01:02:53.806
[SPEAKER_03]: And they have several matches on this show that played off of the paper view that I thought were fantastic.

01:02:53.946 --> 01:02:55.849
[SPEAKER_03]: So I, I think that

01:02:55.947 --> 01:03:15.205
[SPEAKER_03]: is a plus when it comes to the booking because what usually happens is they don't have a card because they don't know if anyone's going to be healthy and then we just get a card on you know we get a bunch of matches on Wednesday morning but here they're they're thinking about Wednesday which is great get let's get organized I love it.

01:03:17.041 --> 01:03:43.808
[SPEAKER_00]: I keep dying every time Calus mentioned the senpai and co-high relationship that does not exist between Ocata and Takeshita, which is a senpai if the senior and the co-high is the junior in a hierarchical, interpersonal relationship, and they're not friends and they're not meant to

01:03:44.260 --> 01:03:44.882
[SPEAKER_00]: I last.

01:03:45.103 --> 01:03:54.912
[SPEAKER_00]: The conversation that you and I were talking about was about planning with O'Conan Bandito was born off of the frustration that a month ago.

01:03:55.651 --> 01:04:11.844
[SPEAKER_00]: uh, Takeshiden Okada had a match with Masker Dorada that was out of this world, and the takeaway for all of us is, okay, what that for Masker Dorada, and he was not even on the TV.

01:04:11.884 --> 01:04:15.752
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, to my knowledge, this entire time.

01:04:15.732 --> 01:04:29.507
[SPEAKER_00]: Now, if you didn't expect that guy to be a star coming out of that match, I don't know what to tell you because he's going to match with Tokata and DeKeshia so clearly you had confidence about him in the first place.

01:04:29.527 --> 01:04:31.810
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, I have an issue with that part of it.

01:04:31.870 --> 01:04:37.296
[SPEAKER_00]: But, you know, if you really want to strike one of the right answers, he should be the guy wrestling Kyle Fletcher going forward.

01:04:37.336 --> 01:04:42.461
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, like he had a great match for that, you know, unified title.

01:04:42.922 --> 01:04:45.064
[SPEAKER_00]: Why can't he challenge Kyle Fletcher for the

01:04:45.668 --> 01:04:47.330
[SPEAKER_00]: the TNT title.

01:04:47.350 --> 01:04:48.551
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, yeah, for sure.

01:04:48.611 --> 01:05:14.140
[SPEAKER_03]: The obviously the play, I mean, the story of the matches, Ocata and Takeshita, we know where they're going with this Ocata trying to big time this guy and this guy's kind of up and coming and Ocata doesn't want

01:05:14.727 --> 01:05:17.310
[SPEAKER_03]: through a middle finger to catch it as way.

01:05:17.350 --> 01:05:19.873
[SPEAKER_03]: And to catch what was like, is that for me?

01:05:20.293 --> 01:05:33.108
[SPEAKER_03]: Are you telling me that, though, my favorite moment in this entire show is, O'Cotta doing the fuck you macarena with instead of doing the hand thing.

01:05:33.148 --> 01:05:35.411
[SPEAKER_03]: He did the middle finger thing, and I died.

01:05:35.791 --> 01:05:39.115
[SPEAKER_03]: That's what I'm talking about, though, when I am like, this dude knows how to be a star.

01:05:40.073 --> 01:05:47.824
[SPEAKER_03]: And then, you know, I was surprised to see him take the pin, but you know, who called the pin, you know, who called Ocada taking the pin was Leraka.

01:05:47.884 --> 01:05:49.667
[SPEAKER_03]: He called it right at the start of the match.

01:05:50.468 --> 01:05:55.616
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it made the most sense because to guess you're really couldn't lose or take a pin, right?

01:05:55.636 --> 01:06:02.746
[SPEAKER_00]: After all, I think, yeah, it's WGP, heavyweight title and it made no sense for Robino to lose these titles.

01:06:02.866 --> 01:06:07.313
[SPEAKER_00]: So there was almost a process of elimination.

01:06:07.647 --> 01:06:15.299
[SPEAKER_00]: When Ocada essentially rain-maker with a shit out of Takeshda and that was the one that I called.

01:06:15.319 --> 01:06:18.384
[SPEAKER_03]: I was like, okay, I know where they're going here and now they did it perfectly.

01:06:18.605 --> 01:06:22.972
[SPEAKER_00]: And he smiled and he laughed and like you've just sealed your own doom, my friend.

01:06:23.473 --> 01:06:26.457
[SPEAKER_00]: And that's exactly what happened and the booking made perfect.

01:06:26.477 --> 01:06:33.248
[SPEAKER_00]: Except no one seen Ocada take a pin and God knows how long if at all in AEW.

01:06:33.929 --> 01:06:34.971
[SPEAKER_00]: So

01:06:35.423 --> 01:06:48.181
[SPEAKER_00]: with the fact that it happened on this match and the confidence that Tony in the approach has been banned, you know, like, it's been, it's been repeated multiple times, but just do just pindo caught.

01:06:49.263 --> 01:06:50.164
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

01:06:50.184 --> 01:06:50.525
[SPEAKER_03]: Yep.

01:06:50.545 --> 01:06:50.946
[SPEAKER_03]: This is great.

01:06:52.067 --> 01:06:52.227
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

01:06:52.287 --> 01:06:53.830
[SPEAKER_03]: And look, this is what I've been saying, right?

01:06:54.190 --> 01:06:57.635
[SPEAKER_03]: And you mentioned the, the Dorada thing when we were watching the last show.

01:06:57.655 --> 01:07:02.342
[SPEAKER_03]: I was like, this guy's having a great match and he's hanging with these two

01:07:02.575 --> 01:07:05.880
[SPEAKER_03]: And then he's not going to be on TV and we're never going to hear about it again.

01:07:05.980 --> 01:07:11.408
[SPEAKER_03]: So big woop with Bandito, he's on their television.

01:07:12.048 --> 01:07:13.290
[SPEAKER_03]: Just about every week.

01:07:13.310 --> 01:07:21.582
[SPEAKER_03]: So I, you know, if we're going to go all in with this dude, all for it, is he my favorite wrestler, not really.

01:07:21.622 --> 01:07:27.110
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm not, you know, that's not my, he's not my favorite guy as far as that the wrestling style is concerned.

01:07:27.791 --> 01:07:30.675
[SPEAKER_03]: But

01:07:31.094 --> 01:07:35.402
[SPEAKER_03]: were you bring in stars from Mexico and you bring in stars from Japan?

01:07:35.423 --> 01:07:41.394
[SPEAKER_03]: I want to see a few of those guys be ascended, right?

01:07:41.434 --> 01:07:49.390
[SPEAKER_03]: And so you now you have Ocata as the Unified Champion and to cash it as I WGP Champion, but he's protected.

01:07:49.741 --> 01:07:55.412
[SPEAKER_03]: Now Bandito, he's the ROH World Champion and he's beating top guys.

01:07:55.512 --> 01:07:57.095
[SPEAKER_03]: Let's keep it going.

01:07:57.155 --> 01:08:02.585
[SPEAKER_03]: Let's see, you know, we're, you know, we're looking at the show and and who, who, who could you be?

01:08:03.407 --> 01:08:06.332
[SPEAKER_03]: Let's see, Bandito.

01:08:06.312 --> 01:08:13.142
[SPEAKER_03]: or Takeshita, you know, beat a young buck in a singles match.

01:08:13.242 --> 01:08:20.473
[SPEAKER_03]: Beat a Mark Briscoe, beat some of what you've got in a classic.

01:08:20.854 --> 01:08:25.461
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and you know, and Brody King both in that tournament and in all the bracket.

01:08:25.481 --> 01:08:27.784
[SPEAKER_03]: So this is a question for you, Jeremy.

01:08:28.365 --> 01:08:35.155
[SPEAKER_03]: Actually, two questions from our buddy Miguel.

01:08:36.282 --> 01:08:43.291
[SPEAKER_00]: The big circumstances, you know, tagged to set up a potential match for himself or something like that.

01:08:43.471 --> 01:08:44.813
[SPEAKER_00]: It's not a hard and fast rule.

01:08:44.893 --> 01:08:46.875
[SPEAKER_00]: No, but it's got to make sense.

01:08:48.618 --> 01:08:56.147
[SPEAKER_03]: And then he said, will New Japan be okay with O'Cotta pinning him if he is the IWGP champion?

01:08:56.819 --> 01:09:04.268
[SPEAKER_00]: I think that if they're going to do O'Connor versus Takeshita, it needs to be for state more than just the match.

01:09:04.768 --> 01:09:14.220
[SPEAKER_00]: And that's why attending to tend to think that that's going to be the finals of the world, and the continental classic, and they will have their match.

01:09:14.280 --> 01:09:25.493
[SPEAKER_00]: And with the timing and everything being predicated, I'm really leaning toward Takeshita when

01:09:26.249 --> 01:09:30.294
[SPEAKER_03]: Look at winners and losers who who who's a main winner for you tonight.

01:09:31.155 --> 01:09:36.102
[SPEAKER_00]: Probably Adam Page as well as Brontito.

01:09:36.122 --> 01:09:38.665
[SPEAKER_01]: And that's it.

01:09:41.168 --> 01:09:42.470
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, Adam Page and Brontito.

01:09:42.971 --> 01:09:47.416
[SPEAKER_03]: So I'm I'm with you with hangar, but I actually had Joe.

01:09:47.476 --> 01:09:52.242
[SPEAKER_03]: And so both guys can be winners because okay next little match.

01:09:52.263 --> 01:09:55.767
[SPEAKER_03]: I had Joe just because I'm like this dude just keeps himself

01:09:56.287 --> 01:10:01.557
[SPEAKER_03]: at the top of the, at the top of the card because he's just so good, you know, like he is at that level.

01:10:02.118 --> 01:10:05.043
[SPEAKER_03]: He may not be at the Brian Danielson, Kenny Omega level.

01:10:05.103 --> 01:10:07.007
[SPEAKER_03]: He may just be a sliver underneath that.

01:10:07.528 --> 01:10:13.699
[SPEAKER_03]: But he's from that same class of how, you know, of how long he's been doing this.

01:10:14.320 --> 01:10:18.227
[SPEAKER_03]: And this man keeps himself in the conversation.

01:10:18.427 --> 01:10:21.650
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, a lot of the talk this week was when he was going to retire.

01:10:21.730 --> 01:10:29.238
[SPEAKER_03]: So he's doing the media, but man, you know, I, Samoa Joe, I go back to everyone goes back to the art.

01:10:29.258 --> 01:10:30.179
[SPEAKER_03]: Those are OH days.

01:10:30.940 --> 01:10:36.426
[SPEAKER_03]: And I just remember thinking, and this was when WWE sucks, and it's like the mid 2000s.

01:10:36.506 --> 01:10:41.050
[SPEAKER_03]: And I'm like, this stuff is just like Vince McMahon just masturbating on television.

01:10:42.071 --> 01:10:43.553
[SPEAKER_03]: Not physically.

01:10:43.593 --> 01:10:46.476
[SPEAKER_03]: That was metaphorically speaking, by the way.

01:10:46.456 --> 01:10:59.213
[SPEAKER_03]: And so and so like your work and cool and so then, you know, you order a DVD from like our ring of honor dot com or whatever and it comes in and you got to wait like two weeks or a month or whatever.

01:10:59.734 --> 01:11:04.701
[SPEAKER_03]: And then you throw on the Somo Joe matching like my god like this guy.

01:11:04.850 --> 01:11:07.975
[SPEAKER_03]: He just takes his craft so seriously.

01:11:07.995 --> 01:11:16.749
[SPEAKER_03]: And I'm sure back then, you know, people were probably saying, oh, you know, there's too much stuff going on in these matches, kind of like what I say, what some of the stuff today.

01:11:17.430 --> 01:11:20.955
[SPEAKER_03]: But now here we are 20 years later, right?

01:11:21.155 --> 01:11:24.080
[SPEAKER_03]: And he's still just great.

01:11:25.142 --> 01:11:32.393
[SPEAKER_03]: And one of the old, just before you, I think before you were a member of F4W online,

01:11:33.166 --> 01:11:38.273
[SPEAKER_03]: They would do a lot of, uh, a lot of drops and songs on the brine and Vinny show.

01:11:38.634 --> 01:11:39.916
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, I remember all that stuff.

01:11:39.936 --> 01:11:40.136
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

01:11:40.577 --> 01:11:47.487
[SPEAKER_03]: So, um, we were watching a Samoa Joe match and Brian, my, my son.

01:11:48.008 --> 01:11:50.832
[SPEAKER_03]: He was probably like, I don't know.

01:11:50.912 --> 01:11:52.654
[SPEAKER_03]: Is he like six or seven or something?

01:11:52.674 --> 01:11:54.257
[SPEAKER_00]: I think I remember this drop.

01:11:54.277 --> 01:12:00.726
[SPEAKER_03]: And he, uh, he calls Samoa Joe by the name of Samoa Jones.

01:12:01.600 --> 01:12:03.903
[SPEAKER_03]: Like, that's what he thought his name was.

01:12:04.664 --> 01:12:11.213
[SPEAKER_03]: And so I was like, oh, if you record that, I will send it to Brian and Vinnie and they'll play it.

01:12:11.273 --> 01:12:13.356
[SPEAKER_03]: He's like, no, no, no, no, no, no, I'm too embarrassed.

01:12:13.416 --> 01:12:18.223
[SPEAKER_03]: It's supposed to be Samoa Joe and JJ, who was 16 months younger, he's like, oh, I'll say it.

01:12:18.784 --> 01:12:30.460
[SPEAKER_03]: And so the drop that Samoa Jones drop that was on the early days of the Brian and Vinnie show was from JJ, who is now 24 years old, by the way.

01:12:31.132 --> 01:12:32.534
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I had Samojo.

01:12:32.614 --> 01:12:47.077
[SPEAKER_03]: I also had as a winner, I also had Kyle Fletcher because you know, again, and I think some people thought Mark Berskowski should win this match, and I would have been fine if Mark Berskow won that match, but this was just another thing.

01:12:47.097 --> 01:12:53.848
[SPEAKER_03]: And you know,

01:12:54.453 --> 01:13:03.328
[SPEAKER_03]: the rock and triple H were kind of at this like they were competing with each other as to who's going to be the next big star underneath Austin.

01:13:04.430 --> 01:13:09.158
[SPEAKER_03]: And they had this ladder match at Russell Maynett era at summer slam in 98.

01:13:10.500 --> 01:13:13.826
[SPEAKER_03]: And triple H, I think actually wins the match.

01:13:15.048 --> 01:13:19.195
[SPEAKER_03]: And Dave Meltzer wrote in the observer that week, like, you know,

01:13:19.917 --> 01:13:30.762
[SPEAKER_03]: Triple H kind of won the political battle to win that match, but everybody who watched that match, the feedback was Triple H won the match, but the rock is the guy, why is the guy?

01:13:31.463 --> 01:13:35.192
[SPEAKER_03]: And Kyle Fletcher kind of feels like that 97-98

01:13:35.172 --> 01:13:46.729
[SPEAKER_03]: Triple H rock status of like who's next and this is what a fantastic place to be when you're like 26 years old So so he would be One for me.

01:13:46.749 --> 01:13:54.480
[SPEAKER_03]: Do you have any losers and losers is a loose term like we're not hauling people We're talking about based on what happened on this show.

01:13:54.861 --> 01:14:00.589
[SPEAKER_00]: I do my choices

01:14:00.569 --> 01:14:17.190
[SPEAKER_00]: Chris Dattlander, because I felt like she looked second to both Tony Storm and Mercedes Monet and her presentation as the champion, um, I thought Mark Briscoe lost everything that he gained from winning that match last month.

01:14:17.670 --> 01:14:21.155
[SPEAKER_00]: And which is totally fine, because he's still in one of the best positions in the company.

01:14:21.715 --> 01:14:23.758
[SPEAKER_03]: I think I think they think that

01:14:23.738 --> 01:14:27.802
[SPEAKER_03]: even when he loses, he's fine because he just has that.

01:14:28.243 --> 01:14:28.343
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

01:14:28.363 --> 01:14:29.584
[SPEAKER_03]: And I applaud him.

01:14:30.145 --> 01:14:32.267
[SPEAKER_00]: I disagree vehemently about that.

01:14:32.848 --> 01:14:50.286
[SPEAKER_00]: I think that they take advantage of what they have with him and they don't truly understand that he is a special special case that they could do a lot more with, but they you him to put another put over talent that they're desperate to get over and they can't do with anybody else.

01:14:50.266 --> 01:14:52.469
[SPEAKER_03]: Sam, so he's their Sami Zayn.

01:14:52.569 --> 01:14:53.691
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and that's fine.

01:14:54.211 --> 01:15:00.180
[SPEAKER_00]: And then John McLean Darby Allen was a bit of a loser for me.

01:15:00.941 --> 01:15:02.643
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I don't I don't I don't know.

01:15:02.743 --> 01:15:11.295
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, you know, moxley It was a weak tap out, but sometimes when he loses these matches, it's often except for

01:15:11.579 --> 01:15:19.169
[SPEAKER_03]: The hangman page when I think he had lost to MJF one time and I was like really that was it like I thought we were going to get more.

01:15:21.432 --> 01:15:25.217
[SPEAKER_03]: But I want to keep an eye on on Darby.

01:15:25.257 --> 01:15:35.289
[SPEAKER_03]: I want to see what they really thought that they had with this match to see where he goes, but my one loser was the demand just because I don't know what they do without I thought about it.

01:15:35.410 --> 01:15:38.093
[SPEAKER_00]: I thought about mentioning that we're hurt going to get picked them.

01:15:38.309 --> 01:15:54.714
[SPEAKER_03]: And if you mention it, like, yes, I'm going to agree if you get this is a small one, but the art of the surprise, which I thought, I think Tony Khan in some instances has been historically great at the art of the surprise, because there is an art to it.

01:15:54.754 --> 01:16:02.967
[SPEAKER_03]: You don't just, you know, kind of build in the way that you build it up, you get people to kind of want it and then you drop it and obviously the number one.

01:16:03.470 --> 01:16:08.375
[SPEAKER_03]: was, uh, Brian Danielson at all out, uh, 2021.

01:16:09.457 --> 01:16:10.177
[SPEAKER_03]: That was the best.

01:16:10.318 --> 01:16:14.262
[SPEAKER_03]: That was maybe the best one that I've seen, uh, in quite a long time.

01:16:14.282 --> 01:16:14.863
[SPEAKER_00]: 22.

01:16:15.063 --> 01:16:16.685
[SPEAKER_03]: I can't remember whatever.

01:16:16.925 --> 01:16:25.514
[SPEAKER_03]: I think it was, um, and but when you do it on paper view, I think it has to be meaningful man.

01:16:26.696 --> 01:16:33.443
[SPEAKER_03]: So the

01:16:34.064 --> 01:16:36.567
[SPEAKER_03]: what the expectation was versus what you delivered.

01:16:36.748 --> 01:16:50.786
[SPEAKER_00]: That's the one where if you have anything to bad faith, and you really want to stick it to like AEW, you're going to hang off of like, they promised this, and then we got Meena Shirakawa who is the Ring of Honor TV champion.

01:16:50.866 --> 01:16:56.354
[SPEAKER_00]: And you like train a lot of like, that's not a world title, whatever qualifications you want to make.

01:16:57.335 --> 01:17:01.000
[SPEAKER_00]: The fact that it was Meena Shirakawa, she was probably,

01:17:01.148 --> 01:17:06.477
[SPEAKER_00]: on a list of 10 people that even possibly insist to do the match.

01:17:06.497 --> 01:17:20.980
[SPEAKER_00]: It will find, but when you workshop all these possible, like, wrestlers from Japan and around the world, and have done of them, Mina's just kind of Mina, and that's no just her, but it will set up for failure.

01:17:21.837 --> 01:17:28.851
[SPEAKER_03]: All right, what about, let's do, let's end with what we believe will be the star ratings by one Dave Meltzer.

01:17:28.972 --> 01:17:31.016
[SPEAKER_03]: So I only want to go over three matches.

01:17:31.898 --> 01:17:33.301
[SPEAKER_03]: Okay, the last three actually.

01:17:33.922 --> 01:17:37.489
[SPEAKER_03]: So our tag team title match five and a quarter.

01:17:38.271 --> 01:17:41.297
[SPEAKER_03]: Okay, I was going five, but.

01:17:41.885 --> 01:17:43.527
[SPEAKER_03]: really close right on.

01:17:43.588 --> 01:18:10.288
[SPEAKER_03]: I was thinking like he he's going to give to catching a five and a half stars for last week and then another five and a quarter that would be a tremendous week for that week for that deep yep yep yep okay what about the hangman and some Joe match four seven five that's what I got to now here's the hardest one of all it's not hard for me at all the main

01:18:11.129 --> 01:18:12.992
[SPEAKER_03]: You think Dave's going to give that match four stars?

01:18:15.696 --> 01:18:17.198
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

01:18:17.218 --> 01:18:17.719
[SPEAKER_00]: Wow.

01:18:19.442 --> 01:18:21.906
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think he's going below three, seven, five, four.

01:18:24.830 --> 01:18:27.294
[SPEAKER_03]: I was going maximum three stars in that match.

01:18:27.775 --> 01:18:33.784
[SPEAKER_00]: No, I, I, there was enough to it, the crowd reacted.

01:18:33.804 --> 01:18:37.710
[SPEAKER_00]: There were things to it that like it didn't fail.

01:18:38.905 --> 01:18:55.192
[SPEAKER_00]: to the crowd there, it just landed flat for us watching and for him, you know, like still a competent top level close down the show, but it pales in comparison to most of the show matches the closed down.

01:18:55.232 --> 01:18:57.195
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, yeah.

01:18:57.215 --> 01:19:01.302
[SPEAKER_00]: Come kind of in that four, four and a quarter range, where

01:19:03.037 --> 01:19:04.319
[SPEAKER_00]: Everything will count.

01:19:04.459 --> 01:19:09.546
[SPEAKER_00]: These were two top level wrestlers wrestling in, you know what I mean?

01:19:09.666 --> 01:19:14.853
[SPEAKER_00]: But like, I just don't see him giving in a WWE main event.

01:19:15.033 --> 01:19:18.077
[SPEAKER_00]: Anything with that three before the point.

01:19:18.097 --> 01:19:28.912
[SPEAKER_03]: Look, I, you know, there are, there are things that when I watched it, I was like, okay, I can see how fans would be emotionally connected to this thing.

01:19:29.933 --> 01:19:32.757
[SPEAKER_03]: Darby does have that connection, by the way.

01:19:33.310 --> 01:19:39.473
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't like it very much because I don't like

01:19:40.043 --> 01:19:43.548
[SPEAKER_03]: the guy who just constantly gets a zas kicked over and over and over.

01:19:43.628 --> 01:19:45.031
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't like the Tommy Dreamer.

01:19:45.431 --> 01:19:48.736
[SPEAKER_03]: Can I have another whack me in the back with this stick?

01:19:48.916 --> 01:19:49.397
[SPEAKER_03]: Kind of thing.

01:19:49.417 --> 01:19:52.562
[SPEAKER_03]: Like it's not my idea of what works in pro wrestling.

01:19:52.902 --> 01:19:54.745
[SPEAKER_03]: But I can see the connection that Darby has.

01:19:55.126 --> 01:19:56.508
[SPEAKER_00]: And now what I'm looking at.

01:19:56.568 --> 01:19:56.768
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

01:19:57.229 --> 01:20:04.600
[SPEAKER_03]: Now, if we go back to what Fernando had said earlier in the show, his next thing should be going for the title.

01:20:05.120 --> 01:20:15.313
[SPEAKER_03]: We'll see if Tony Khan believes that same connection with the fans is important enough coming out of that match.

01:20:16.014 --> 01:20:16.395
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.

01:20:16.855 --> 01:20:24.445
[SPEAKER_00]: If the real barometer of where Tony values Darby going forward is if he's in the corner of the class, it turns out.

01:20:28.812 --> 01:20:33.401
[SPEAKER_00]: are you one of the top 10 male wrestlers in the in in AEW?

01:20:33.902 --> 01:20:35.685
[SPEAKER_00]: And if you are, you should be in that tournament.

01:20:35.946 --> 01:20:45.203
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, if it's about main eventer and program and how much attention, like he's like in the top six, I would imagine.

01:20:45.223 --> 01:20:47.347
[SPEAKER_00]: He should be in the continental classic.

01:20:47.367 --> 01:20:49.892
[SPEAKER_03]: But MJF was not in the

01:20:51.020 --> 01:20:57.027
[SPEAKER_00]: I understand that, but Darby has a different like motive mentality.

01:20:57.067 --> 01:21:03.595
[SPEAKER_00]: He bleeds it, you W. Why wouldn't you want to be an internment wrestling all the W guys?

01:21:04.236 --> 01:21:05.377
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, you know what I mean?

01:21:05.397 --> 01:21:12.546
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, there's no realistic like argument other than Tony doesn't see it to put Darby in the content of classic.

01:21:14.188 --> 01:21:17.872
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, politically you have to book that thing in a way too.

01:21:18.272 --> 01:21:18.833
[SPEAKER_03]: Sure.

01:21:19.133 --> 01:21:23.878
[SPEAKER_00]: which might be a little hard work because I remember Brody choking him out like two years ago.

01:21:24.038 --> 01:21:33.128
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I think so it done it before and I think he was away prepping for stuff last year.

01:21:33.188 --> 01:21:48.465
[SPEAKER_00]: So he should he shouldn't win it, but he should be a guy that is competitive and winning and losing matches against the top other guys in AEW.

01:21:48.901 --> 01:21:56.412
[SPEAKER_03]: Ryan Howard from F4W, Ryan Howard is my favorite recapper out there.

01:21:56.472 --> 01:22:06.226
[SPEAKER_03]: He recaps dynamite and now my favorite recap or two for a four W. The our our guy doctor Larry.

01:22:06.567 --> 01:22:08.089
[SPEAKER_03]: Dr. is it Dr. Larry?

01:22:08.169 --> 01:22:08.970
[SPEAKER_03]: Is that what he calls him?

01:22:09.030 --> 01:22:11.334
[SPEAKER_03]: He just he's our most recent discord member.

01:22:12.255 --> 01:22:13.677
[SPEAKER_00]: I call him Larry in my mind.

01:22:15.520 --> 01:22:16.461
[SPEAKER_03]: And

01:22:17.200 --> 01:22:19.163
[SPEAKER_03]: And yeah, and Miguel, who was hanging out as well.

01:22:19.724 --> 01:22:35.209
[SPEAKER_03]: So shout out to all of you who hung out with us after this paper view and, you know, after going through it, after discussing it, I think I like it a little bit better than when the main event ended, but the thing that I like the best

01:22:35.510 --> 01:22:48.168
[SPEAKER_03]: is set the how Tony set up stuff for not only dynamite, but also for full gear while we were watching the show like that just shows to me that he's really organized and we're right in football season too.

01:22:48.248 --> 01:22:49.890
[SPEAKER_03]: So he's got the Jags to worry about.

01:22:49.950 --> 01:22:52.634
[SPEAKER_03]: So it's not like he's like free of time in any way.

01:22:52.674 --> 01:22:54.417
[SPEAKER_03]: But so I did like that.

01:22:54.457 --> 01:22:57.501
[SPEAKER_03]: So looking forward to dynamite like

01:22:58.190 --> 01:23:03.501
[SPEAKER_03]: Um, I'm like, you know, usually dynamize like, oh, yeah, it's just Wednesday.

01:23:03.561 --> 01:23:05.084
[SPEAKER_00]: I wasn't a bad hero to caught up.

01:23:05.164 --> 01:23:07.689
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I'm just like, now I'm like, huh, I kind of want to watch the show.

01:23:07.709 --> 01:23:09.032
[SPEAKER_03]: So good job by you Tony.

01:23:09.573 --> 01:23:12.539
[SPEAKER_00]: What grade would you give this show to Garrett?

01:23:12.559 --> 01:23:15.405
[SPEAKER_03]: Um, I think I would go.

01:23:18.980 --> 01:23:40.296
[SPEAKER_03]: it's hard to say B minus when we just said that there were that it's exactly the great I wanted to give it it when we just said there was a possible five star match and a possible four and three quarter star match so I will probably say B but I almost almost default every eight every show to be because there's so many things that I enjoy but then there's also something that really frustrates me so I will probably say B.

01:23:40.546 --> 01:23:52.700
[SPEAKER_00]: I gave it a B minus because I have not felt more frustrated or like I wasn't connecting with the product after a paper view than this one.

01:23:52.840 --> 01:23:59.047
[SPEAKER_00]: I just felt like it was a really weak show despite the fact that there were really strong component to it.

01:23:59.548 --> 01:24:10.080
[SPEAKER_00]: They emphasized matches and directions that were not my favorite and not what I was like personally into.

01:24:10.145 --> 01:24:16.316
[SPEAKER_00]: I would I gave last month to be, and I didn't like to show as much as last month be minus fair.

01:24:16.336 --> 01:24:17.358
[SPEAKER_03]: Okay, that works.

01:24:17.758 --> 01:24:18.880
[SPEAKER_03]: I think it's I think it's solid.

01:24:19.842 --> 01:24:19.942
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

01:24:19.962 --> 01:24:20.343
[SPEAKER_03]: All right.

01:24:20.583 --> 01:24:22.126
[SPEAKER_03]: So when is the next time we're doing this?

01:24:23.508 --> 01:24:24.851
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, the week before Thanksgiving?

01:24:25.492 --> 01:24:25.993
[SPEAKER_00]: I guess.

01:24:26.774 --> 01:24:27.034
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

01:24:27.054 --> 01:24:27.836
[SPEAKER_03]: All right.

01:24:27.856 --> 01:24:28.978
[SPEAKER_03]: That is for full gear.

01:24:29.058 --> 01:24:30.280
[SPEAKER_03]: So yes.

01:24:30.412 --> 01:24:40.242
[SPEAKER_00]: And Dave is not going to be so someone else has to host that one right or all like finally doing this on our own and gathering, but that's no fun.

01:24:40.803 --> 01:24:42.485
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, yeah, all right.

01:24:42.505 --> 01:24:42.965
[SPEAKER_00]: We'll figure that out.

01:24:43.045 --> 01:24:50.693
[SPEAKER_00]: I will be around for I did my planning and I will be around for world entry cap that, but I get on a plan for Japan right after.

01:24:52.255 --> 01:24:54.057
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, there you go.

01:24:54.661 --> 01:24:55.062
[SPEAKER_03]: All right.

01:24:55.243 --> 01:24:55.885
[SPEAKER_03]: That is it from here.

01:24:55.946 --> 01:24:59.478
[SPEAKER_03]: Thanks, everyone, for checking us out and for listening for Jeremy.

01:24:59.699 --> 01:25:00.562
[SPEAKER_03]: I am WG.

01:25:00.582 --> 01:25:02.950
[SPEAKER_03]: We will see you when we see you piece out.