AEW Worlds End 2025 Recap: MJF Wins World Title & Moxley Wins C2 Final | AEW Post Game Live

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[SPEAKER_00]: Hey everybody, welcome to our AEW post game live show following world's end, which was maybe the most time sensitive responsible show that Tony Khan has done.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Did we clock in at actually under four hours for the paper view?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Just over.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think I think the show would off the air two minute after the top of the hour, but you know what?

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[SPEAKER_00]: wowers for the company for the self control.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Absolutely.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Also happy holiday.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Everybody I know we are two days after Christmas still this week between Christmas and New Year's is kind of a fun one.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So feels like the holiday still.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I want to mention before we actually get into this.

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[SPEAKER_00]: By the way, we had a ton of content this weekend.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Paul and Jeff did their dynamite show.

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[SPEAKER_00]: covering the last week of AEW TV kind of heading into worlds in and in this morning, we had the power bomb shells do their pre pre show and now Jeremy and I are here to recap the paper view, but I wanted before we even got into it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I wanted to tease some folks, let some folks know that we do have an interview with Dave Meltzer that you and Stephen Conway did for a very special edition of Speaking of Strong Style, which will go live on this channel, actually YouTube channel and our audio channel.

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[SPEAKER_00]: on Monday.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The video will go up Monday at 10 a.m. Pacific.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The audio will have what already be in the audio feed if you just want to listen to the audio, but Jeremy and Stephen got Dave for an hour and 20 minutes or so to just talk about Hiroshi Tata Hashis.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So this is we were getting Jeremy literally the day before he leaves to Japan because he's going to rustle Kingdom.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I got a lot going on guys.

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[SPEAKER_01]: button to open on.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I got Dave for 80 minutes and it's pretty much a conversation about Hiroshi Tana Hashi and we try and just ask anything and everything that we can think of about his career to just kind of understand the impact that this guy had on pro wrestling because it's

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, well, I mean, greater.

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[SPEAKER_00]: that greater is a hard word because I guess the thing that I would say is to me when I came into watching a new Japan pro wrestling, he was the man and I was like, my goodness, like this guy is amazing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And of course, he then hands the torch to Ocata eventually, but he still stays amazing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And he's his body has taken some lumps, but you know, it's only been what?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Gus, we're talking about 2019 when he had that amazing match with with Omega to win back the IWGP championship.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's had good match a sense then, but that's one where you're like this dude still, he still has it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And so arguably the era and for that entire the eighth period ended with that night because after that, you know, he dropped the title to J White, but he

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, you never really come near the IWGP title again, he starts going for Rev Pro titles, never titles, the US title, he's there, but you know, like that, that match in 2019 was the thing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And one of the, one of the things that we're talking about with Dave on that show was if you pull the threat, the butterfly effect, if there's no ton of Hashi, there's no O'Conan.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And if there's no Ocata at the end, if there's no Omega, and if there's no really Omega and the bugs, do we have the current landscape of wrestling that we currently do and so he started this.

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[SPEAKER_01]: wave of momentum, like a pathway for wrestling that was diametrically opposite of WWE and what they were doing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And he really is fundamentally the roots of everything that we watched tonight.

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[SPEAKER_00]: All right, so let's talk about this show.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I had two big things that happened that I circled in that I wanted to talk to you about.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The first one, and it's very interesting to see what the reception is.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We are still only less than an hour since the show has ended as we are talking.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I don't know what the overall responses, but MJF

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[SPEAKER_00]: re-winning the A-W-A-W championship, the World Championship, I don't know why people were necessarily surprised though I am seeing some folks who were surprised, and they're also some folks who were just like, I kind of thought that this was going to happen.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I was just hoping that it didn't.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I think it's the idea that MJF being back into the mix and him having to

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[SPEAKER_00]: rather than they had hangman, you know, maybe Kyle Fletcher is kind of on the come up, you know, some Ojo, I thought was going to be a transnational champion, some people thought through this show, but I don't know what is your thoughts on just the idea of MJF being back on top after being away for a few months there.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, you know, I don't remember the last time that worlds and didn't have a main event and ended up being a four-way in some way, shape or form.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So the fact that it ended up being a four-way when it was teased as a three-way, and then MJF came back.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Everything seemed kind of makes sense to me, you know?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like the question of why did Samoa Joe take the title off his hangman page?

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[SPEAKER_01]: back in November, really, really led me to wonder, like, what's the plan here?

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[SPEAKER_01]: What's going on?

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[SPEAKER_01]: And it ended up being MJF was taking his seat back at the table as it were in AEW and he is

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[SPEAKER_01]: He was a trusted main event talent that Tony grabbed it to work and when I saw that he was coming back and I saw that Samoa Joe had the title, you know, MJF lost the title to Samoa Joe so it checked off a box for him personally that he would get the title back and then, you know, doing a four way like this, you then get the singles matches with hangman page where the.

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[SPEAKER_01]: the whole dynamic is different with MJF being the champion.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then you're going to get that Swerve MJF match.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It all just theintimate sense.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It was the fresh direction.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And MJF is that guy.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And whether we like it or not, he has always been in the picture.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He's always been a player.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And he's always been someone that has been protected even when he goes away.

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[SPEAKER_01]: When he goes away, it could be a deal when he comes back.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You can't say that about,

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[SPEAKER_01]: 90% of the talent when they come back, they show up in a video package or a backstage segment or something this or that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: When MJF lost to Hangman, he, uh, he did that backstage segment, wrapping off his tape talking about how it's going to come back better than ever, and he was going to be a different MCF.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And

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[SPEAKER_01]: Now, that was the groundwork that they laid, whether we like it or not, whether you want to say that, you know, MGF is a triple H kind of in his prime, taking up the top, taking up the spot for talent that's deserving of others.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know, I think there's room for everyone at the top, I think having MGF there weighs the groundwork for a baby face potentially down the line coming back and setting up a challenger for that champion.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But if you don't have a strong heel champion and slow Joe's greatest strategic transitional champion, but he wasn't the guy in the long run.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And so if it was going to be flexor, they would have gotten a flexor when they had the opportunity.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So it's going to be M.J.F.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm as long as they can create compelling stories that don't get

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[SPEAKER_01]: creative, creative vices of MDF and other people booking some of the stuff.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think it'd get to be fine.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know if I agree with you that having lots of guys at the top or however you just said that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think the thing that

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[SPEAKER_00]: The way that I look at this is mjf himself is the their top star at least right now, you know, maybe some people will say, oh, maybe it's off spray or whatever.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But he is the guy that they feel comfortable coming back to time and time again.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So if you want your top star to have that title, that you believe that that title means much more when your top star has it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And the reason why you put it on Somojo is so that your MJF does not beat Hangman.

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[SPEAKER_00]: because eventually you want to set up some OJR mjf and hangman you want to set up mjf and mark brisco again you want to set up I guess they'll do the bandito matches well but this is kind of what they do I feel like

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[SPEAKER_00]: Tony is much more comfortable having a heel champion, just because you have the baby face is, you know, ready to fight that heel champion and, and he'd buy by Hooker by Crook MJF escapes and, and he still keeps the title.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It feels like that's me very similar to the mock story of last year.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So we'll see what we'll see how it happens.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Personally, I wanted to see Hangman get a longer run.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I am, you know, I get why Tony likes again, again, having a heel champion, I prefer the baby face champion because I think once you make that baby face and the fans truly believe in that baby face, it is the opposite is actually the heels who come in and you just have this baby face height fight off of all these heels.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's kind of the idea of WWE

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[SPEAKER_00]: WWE F was the baby face champion, Hogan, and then you fight and all the heels on the NBA side.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It was flair, and he's fight and all the baby faces.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So, you know, there Tony has his preference.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I just wish we would have seen Hangman take it to another level because I think that's where the, you know, if Hangman is here and you want to take him to that next level, well, him having a great run as a baby face that the fans believe in would have been the way to go.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We are where we are and we have MJF as this champion heading into 2026.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, I grew with you 100% that they should have gone longer with Hangman.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I feel like right now in pro wrestling.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, CM Punk and Cody are the world champions and WWE, but

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[SPEAKER_01]: I have not been excited about a baby-faced world champion and I thought Hangman was the exciting baby-faced world champion that could really get like catalyzed the audience, but they decided not to go in that direction.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And one of the things we have an

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[SPEAKER_01]: And in the past, I would have said mjf is a man who makes the title, but right now, I think word a situation is mjf or the title kind of has to make the man right now.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I think that can interesting position that mjf is in because this has really got to be a reestablishment

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[SPEAKER_01]: carry in for him because he just came in and he just won the title.

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[SPEAKER_01]: There was really no warm-up to it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And here we are.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So there's a lot more rehabilitation to this than I think has been previously considered and I hope they take that and I hope they keep that in mind.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Now he did win in a heel fashion in a sneaky fashion in a four way no disqualification.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He snuck into to hit the heat sicker on Somo Joe to win to win the match when Hangman had hit three buckshot laryots that did not take Somo Joe down.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He was about to hit a fourth.

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[SPEAKER_00]: and mjf pushed the mojo out of the way so that he could kick hang your low to get hang her out of there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He had just previously pushed swore off the top rope to the floor and that gave him the opportunity to pin the mojo to win the match.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I guess the other thing is when you look at this from a long-term perspective.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Now, their WrestleMania is all in.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They're going to go back to Wembley Stadium for that show.

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[SPEAKER_00]: What is the biggest match they could possibly have for that show?

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[SPEAKER_00]: My guess, I don't know this, I haven't talked to Tony about this kind of funny, I think Dave won't really want it to talk to Tony on Friday.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But Dave was finishing the Observer.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I was out in San Francisco with my kids seeing a Marty Supreme and I know Brian had plans with his family.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So we were trying to figure out if we could do it and time just didn't work out.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I would have loved to talk to him about kind of how he sees his world title picture.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm guessing it's MJF and Will Osprey could be the perfect match for him at all in.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But the biggest wild card for that is Will Osprey's neck would even be ready.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So maybe this is a

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[SPEAKER_00]: a play on the possibility that will is ready so that they can do that match at Wembley, because, you know, we've said this sense, will signed with AEW that at some point, his big win has to be in front of that giant crowd.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Can't doubt maybe that's what's playing, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, maybe that's the play.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And, you know, this is the chance that he is.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then if he isn't gonna be ready, then we'll know because they'll have to pivot to whatever the other match will be.

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[SPEAKER_00]: How do you see the next kind of paper views, I guess?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like if we're thinking all the way down to revolution, okay, is that hanger?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Is that swerve?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Is that hanger and swerve?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Uh, I got to imagine that's got to be one of those two guys at least for both.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, based off of the finish here, it will seem like hangman is the guy to get the first crack.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Cause he, he'll, he may have really had Joe put away for the for the most part until the he seeker and throwing page out of the, so I kind of feel like revolution is the first one.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I feel like you got to get a swerve match in there at some point.

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[SPEAKER_01]: at this point, I think, markedly would also be an opponent that they kind of need to run back with MJF at the top level.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's all contingent on, you know, it's everyone got the best interest in AEW and mine, say which like read it to that which you will, but these are all top level guys that need to help elevate MJF.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So when he drops the title to somebody, it means something.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, this is all predicated on finding the guy and going with the guy and who is the next guy and, you know, in my mind, you have MGF to Osprey and then Osprey has his run with it and then you do Osprey and Fletcher.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, I think that is, that is a good way to go.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But again, if we're for saying that we need to make a baby face to fight in baby face, how long.

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[SPEAKER_00]: is does will get another shot at the title before you're already thinking of the next heel champion.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, like, I'm thinking will do hit month because, okay, I've always had this added that

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[SPEAKER_01]: Every championship is either the journey to get the title or what happens when you get the title, but rarely both, you know, like when we had the out and page,

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[SPEAKER_01]: the championship.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But it was the story of him getting the championship.

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[SPEAKER_01]: MGS story is going to be about the title run, you know, building him back up.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So when we get to Offspray, it really does feel like to me.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It is the moment where he gets that title and they celebrate.

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[SPEAKER_01]: in the big one because you know he can have a bang or match with pretty much anyway we're hoping he can come back in the first place and we're hoping that he doesn't miss too many steps and he can you know adjust his style of wrestling that's a safer and be still is entertaining because the man is creatively just brilliant in the ring and I feel like that may seem like an obstacle

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[SPEAKER_01]: But every challenge with this guy has had to wait out in front of him.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He's managed to overcome.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I do think that

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[SPEAKER_01]: If all things, you know, go right, and everything has to go right for will all spray to be at Wembley going for a title match, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, there can't be any hiccups, there can't be any, like the, they're, they're running the thread pretty thin on this one.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So there's no guarantee, even going to make it to Wembley.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But if he does, that's the play.

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[SPEAKER_00]: All right, you mentioned John Moxley, and that is the second big story coming out of the show, which is that John Moxley of all people won the Continental Classic.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And there was a discussion in our discord about whether the story was gonna be John Moxley losing everything in this Continental Classic.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I just assumed he was gonna make the semi-finals.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And you know what's so funny about this Continental Classic?

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[SPEAKER_00]: all the talk about oh everybody had a chance and yet it was just chalk the winners were chalk the people we thought we're gonna make it so when somebody said oh but speedball had a chance it out come on he's not winning the match where's the drama in that

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[SPEAKER_01]: if it's not it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it

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[SPEAKER_01]: This is our, or you could go with like the speed ball if you really wanted to, but it doesn't do in it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You take the top guys and you move it into the net, Fred, you get the you get the rest of the earth that people are going to want to pay to see.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, yes.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So the opener of the night was Kuzuchko Kata against Knowskaya Takeshta.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I will admit that I did not see the majority of this match because I came a little later to Big Dave's house.

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[SPEAKER_00]: From what I understand, it was a banger and I just came in right at the wrong time, which is when Okada went to get the screwdriver.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, God is that screwdriver wrestler as you could tell, because he didn't quite know how to hide it or what to do with it, it was kind of the ref was just right there and he could sort of see it because he'll caught it and hide it correctly.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then when they got to the corner,

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[SPEAKER_00]: the ref kind of turned and was supposed to then not see it so that alcada could use it and it was just really bad like I got the bad night for all the referees tonight.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It was the reference of the referees red in certain spots, but you know this this was a I don't know if it's a clever finish because we see it in a lot of AEW matches this idea of the screwdriver, but it was going to play

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[SPEAKER_00]: into the moxley and fletcher match.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So it was kind of brilliant in that way, but they screwed the thing up in this match so much that it became comical at the end.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm going to guess, probably dropped your mythical or your the star rating in your head for Ocata and to cash a little bit.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I really just wanted a no bullshit match with a no bullshit finish.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I understand this is AEW and you need to have your little bit out and all that and for whenever it was, it was really good.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, like they started the show with this match.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And unfortunately, these two bastards had the best match on the show until they didn't, you know, like they said, all right, we'll follow that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then people did.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And it, it,

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[SPEAKER_01]: They were, they were talking, you know what I mean?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, I, I hope they run it back.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I hope that it is done, maybe with the less of the Dawn Callos, as Fernando gives at the end, I understand that this is not New Japan and that is not the way the business works over here.

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[SPEAKER_01]: a guy can dream.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, it's like the beginning of that match.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You weren't able there.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The energy was off the chart.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like everyone was hyped.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like it had been 14 months since they first

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[SPEAKER_01]: all the things.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Ocotta looked trim and lean to Keshedo was primed and bringing in his a game.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It just it fell victim to the ulterior booking of the G1 style tournament in the Continental Classic.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And so

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[SPEAKER_01]: whether or not we get a match that has a more we're getting a clean finish without any shenanigans.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I really hope so.

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[SPEAKER_01]: On the scale of bad, good, very good, great, unbelievable.

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[SPEAKER_01]: This was great.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It wasn't unbelievable, but it was great.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So we should mention that Don Callis left after the match with Ocata, celebrated with the winner, the Don King boxing reference there of if he was representing both guys, he was going to go with a winner.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so Takeshita lost the match.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's kind of left by his own manager.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I didn't see a promo, but I know there's one on Twitter about him being frustrated in the back.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So does what happened here tonight change anything about how you think Russell kingdom is going to go?

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[SPEAKER_01]: No, because that was always of the opinion that Yoda surgery was going to lose at

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[SPEAKER_01]: wrestling kingdom.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_01]: To catch you know losing here has me believing that he's probably not going to lose again at wrestling kingdom back to back especially as the IWGP.ocos.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, it's kind of different worlds and things don't really interact all that much and even the show didn't even mention that Ocata and to catch you know we're going to be at the Tokyo dome with plenty

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[SPEAKER_01]: I would imagine that a lot of people think that you go to Fuji is going to win that match and Takeshi is dropping the title, but I don't think that's the direction that you're going to win.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So then the second semi-final was John Moxley and Kyle Fletcher.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And all night long, we were kind of wondering what the story for Mox was.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And that's why this match and tournament was important.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Even though I didn't really like the booking overall of the Continental Classic, I know a lot of people loved it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not here to shit on what you guys like to did like it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But

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[SPEAKER_00]: there was always the idea that something is going to happen with moxley and the death writer's throughout this tournament.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I did not have John moxley winning this entire thing on my bingo card.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The entire time I was thinking, okay, he's here as a storyline vehicle, and I got to give some credit to a

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[SPEAKER_00]: our guy, uh, Dr. Dr. Larry at there, who he, um, he was the one who called Moxley winning it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I was like, I just don't see Moxley caring about this belt being that he's a former A, W, champion.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But,

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[SPEAKER_00]: And we'll fast forward here, second.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Moxley beats Fletcher in what is probably the best match on this show.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm guessing Dave goes five.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Are you thinking the same?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Higher.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You think he goes higher than five?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then he beats Okada in the finals to win the penalty.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Cussus, long promo.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's a baby face problem.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He was a baby face for the majority of the night.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He did some heel stuff, but the fans were completely behind him in it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And he cuts this baby face problem, which is really about paying respect to the guys who decided that they wanted to be in this grueling tournament.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He paid respect to his own crew who were inside the ring as well, but it was way more about AEW the company, AEW the fans, AEW the wrestlers, and it was really one of the most ludicrous baby face turns I've ever seen in my life.

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[SPEAKER_00]: because of all the damage that he's done as a heal, uh, yes, recent as recently as trying to drown Darby Allen in a in a tank, uh, fish tank, but he was so good at it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The fans were with him the entire time.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And, you know, it's time.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I was talking to Paul Fontaine about a couple of weeks ago and he was just so against moxley turning and I was like, well,

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, go back to Austin, like Austin just kicking people in the nuts and slapping people in the dick and just doing all that stuff and then the fans are behind him and he turns and all of a sudden he's a good guy, but you know, he's still flipping them off and stuff.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So you can have these ludicrous baby face turns if the fans believe in them and that live crowd really believed in John Moxley tonight.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And this, if you are a critic of John Moxley, the wrestler,

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[SPEAKER_00]: You think maybe he jokes around a little bit in the ring.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, he likes to take these Terry Funk-esque comical bumps in the way that he sells.

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[SPEAKER_00]: This is one of the best nights of his career, probably.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think just as a in-ring wrestler, just the believability and what he was doing, it was really, really strong tonight.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I get the people who don't like moxley in the ring.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But I don't think tonight you can really find too much fault in what he was doing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, uh, on our discord, Adam had asked if there had been, um, any rest work with two five star matches in one night.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And we were immediately told that, you know, we'll all spray did it last year with Fletcher and O'Cotta in in last year, C2.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And there's a real shot that mocked me.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's going to get

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[SPEAKER_01]: that those same opportunity to get awarded to them because both matches he had were were pretty tremendous, but no, this was an unbelievable match.

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[SPEAKER_01]: This reminded me of like Brett Hartsteev Austin level of like selling and character work in the race.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We all agree to the best match in the night, you know, if I can find fault with it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: All of the kickouts like and I guess it worked because the crowd was with them through all of it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But I found for my taste and pace of wrestling, you know, I thought maybe there was a couple too many, but the two counts, which are there because the fans think it's gonna be the finish and then it's not the finish and then you get to the finish.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But that isn't really a small critique on my end about what they did and they're the ones that kick out.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But I will say,

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[SPEAKER_01]: Every match has one of the thick bumps where you just watch it and you think the guy died for a brief moment.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And Fletcher took, uh, I'm not even sure what he took again, but he landed on the back of his head.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And it was too much of it, man.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like if too much of that stuff,

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[SPEAKER_01]: I remember you had made a comment at some point about, you know, like, you want the illusion of danger and good pro wrestling, you don't want the actual danger.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that is my, that is my real issue with today's wrestling, which is, you know, when I was growing up, it was the idea that this stuff hurt.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then when you realized that they weren't actually hitting each other, you're like, wow, they're really good at what they do.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then,

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, over the years, wrestling was less about trying to pretend it was real and it was more about the fans accepting that it was a performance.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And yet that's where we are today and they do more stuff to hurt each other today than they ever have done at least in the U.S.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm sure people will look at Japan and say that, you know, they were doing a lot of that stuff, but I would go back to this speeder, the speedball Mike Bailey on the on the barricade slam.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm like,

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[SPEAKER_00]: If this has nothing to do with the finish and why are we doing this move other than to say, look, this thing hurts.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm like, but that's not the point anymore.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like where we're past that, especially when you follow that up, which is supposed to hurt with a hurricane run on the outside during the commercial break.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So that that is just my real problem with wrestling today.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I wish they would slow that stuff down because, I mean, you look at that Darby Allen match and.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The Darby Allen match was really good and we'll get to that as far as the performances by him and Gabe, but Darby has done so many things.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Then when he does something like take a post, you're like, he's going to do five things worse during this match.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I don't need to care about that one thing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And that's how I watch these Darby matches these days.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I know other people are like that with him.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to get back to Fletcher in a second.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Do you find in an old ironic that he does all the blood batch matches?

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[SPEAKER_01]: that he is bleeding buckets when it runs with the wrestling move.

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[SPEAKER_01]: No, no, no, what I'm going to ask you is does it manage to blow your mind that it was a traditional wrestling match that managed to get him hospitalized and put him out of the C2, only for him to go back and get to a hardcore match instead.

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[SPEAKER_01]: with game kid.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It wasn't even any of the hardcore stuff that he does.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It was just taking a really bad bump in a regular because he was supposed to be in the tournament and he got pulled out because of being hurt in that was the Kevin night match, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, was the Kevin night he took the he took the uh, uh, the coast to coast really bad way I believe.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, so Moxley then beats Okada and he cuts this promo like I said, and I was just I was waiting for a small glimpse of a storyline turn.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We did not get one Claudio.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Some people may may look into Claudio's smile, but he was clapping.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I was looking at Garcia.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I was looking for the side.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I wait for the wait for something no pack there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: No game kid there either though he is not.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I guess officially aligned with them in, you know, uh, it's Calber really wanted him to Yeah, Calber, uh, next Calber's notes he was prepared to say that Gabe was their game wasn't he apologizing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So he said I, I apologize Claudio, although all the bold stuff in the ring.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, maybe that was just a compliment to Gabe because he leaned out.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It looked really good.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Uh, a lot of people looked like they were in game

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[SPEAKER_00]: then left the ring he and the crew his crew marina was holding the championship behind him above her head and he walked out like a conquering hero so we will see what happens uh i imagine

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, if if Moxley wants to be the fighting champion, hey, Claudios right there, Claudio had a great tournament to and Moxley's one who knocked him out with his victory at the end.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So that'd be a nice a nice way to get wherever we are getting with the death threats.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Whatever it is, it's they're they're going the slow route.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I wouldn't be shocked if Malkley ends up having matches running it back with everyone in the C2 and just, you know, doing another match with each one of them, you know, like everyone this earned everybody so, you know, I know who I'll clean I'm sure fleter and might want one, I don't think, you know, it's like, but the speed balls, the Kevin night, the Jack Perry, the masquerade de rotas, I mean,

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[SPEAKER_01]: 100% believe that all those guys would get an opportunity and then, you know, parked being the last guy and then parked hates the title for them.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I can see something like that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: All right, so let's just go down, quickly, what will go over the results here.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I did, did you watch any of this zero hour?

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[SPEAKER_01]: I saw a few minutes of the last match, but basically all I saw was a limping luchosaurus coming into help the baby faces when a limping luchosaurus.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, he got beaten in the back and he was all wrapped up and taped and he only had one arm and Jack Perry was incapacitated and they rallied Garrett, they rallied and then they won the match.

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[SPEAKER_00]: All right, so the the opener was the sisters of sin beating my a world in is it pronounced high in yes, and a sister of sin won the match, but high in in my world are all elite.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They were signed.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They got the graphic and everything Eddie Kingston face Zack Gibson and this allowed Ortiz to come back.

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[SPEAKER_00]: and he helped Kingston or T's kind of gave it a little tease earlier on on Twitter by by uh So he would new hook for uh Kingston

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[SPEAKER_00]: I guess he's a better hook in my opinion.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Masqueradurada and Bandito beat Rocky Romero in Mark Davis, 21 Plex.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then the match that you just mentioned, the Jurassic Express and Jet Speed beat Josh Alexander and the demand.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So we mentioned Casional Cata, we mentioned Moxley, and Fletcher, those were the first two matches on the show.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Then we had FTR versus the Bang Bang Gang in a Chicago Street fight.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Let's just say that I was sitting on my hands watching this match.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And this is not to say anything about how hard they worked or

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[SPEAKER_00]: the effort, there was lots of blood, there were, it was a street fight.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It was just ill-timed to me because I'm not sure why the bang bang gang got the title shot because I think they already lost to these guys.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And

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[SPEAKER_00]: after watching two really excellent wrestling matches you I was just not in the mood to watch a garbage match though in some cases that you might say Well, you got the two wrestling matches and now we're going to give you something different because then we're going to go back to the wrestling matches I also understand that any thoughts on FTR versus the bank bank game

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[SPEAKER_01]: Honestly, it could felt long in the tooth and went 17 minutes, but it felt like it went 30 and I don't I don't fault anyone there just doomed because the two magic before then we're just so good and had I don't always advocate for this, but you know, had an uh,

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[SPEAKER_01]: Copeland and Christian come out at the end of this and kind of reheat restarted that whole thing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe this whole thing would have changed, but it just like it was just too extra on a show that, you know, like you needed to have something different and a street fight unfortunately did not feel different on this show and I don't know what that says about the bang bang gang.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think they're missing a lot with a

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[SPEAKER_01]: their core group being only half of what it should be.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, no, I just don't bear.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So then obviously, FTR won the match.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I guess the the meme of the night may have been.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, our guy, uh, stoically taking a backwards bump and he was supposed to go through a table and he just bounced off of this table and he went in and plopped.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I hope he's okay.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm laughing because it was a funny way that it happened and he covered up like he was in the fetal position.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I hope he's okay, but that that that will probably be the the meme of the night.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Babes of Wrath beat Mercedes Monet and Athena in for the AWS tag titles.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not going to say anything different from what I usually say about the babes of Wrath, but Harley Cameron is just not at the level of a wrestler yet when she has to A have a comeback that actually lasts or B.

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[SPEAKER_00]: cell certain moves.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think her probably is mostly on offense because she's trying to keep up with the other women and her offense is often ill-timed or she's in the wrong spot or she's trying to memorize something and it's like they're not on the same page.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That being said, I really love her because I think she's got a fantastic personality, ton of charisma.

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[SPEAKER_00]: She's great on the mic.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I would love to see her continue to to grow.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But when you watch these babes of Wrath matches, she is the thing that stands out in a bad way.

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[SPEAKER_00]: though Athena and Willow had some issues in this match as well.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And at the end of the day, Willow pins Mercedes mone to win the match for the champions, which set up Mercedes cutting an F bomb promo.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And they're going to have a singles match on Wednesday on Dynamite.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The

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[SPEAKER_00]: But, you know, I think the teams worked really hard to try and make this match great, I don't think it was great.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It was good though.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There were some spots that if you really wanted to critique it, you could point out and go, okay, that didn't work and that didn't work.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But I think I still think it was a good match.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It just did not reach a level that they were probably trying to get it to.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I got to push back on it, but I thought this match will better than the mem to tag match that preceded it, um, and I think by the end of it, I felt like they did more with the less and they weren't indulgent and yeah, there was stuff like a scene up.

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[SPEAKER_01]: fighting off a little bit more than she could choose some of the power moves on Willow, and I think you're spot on with Harley Cameron trying to get by on the character work because her work rate is not at the level of the rest of them, but I'm really enjoying this Mercedes Monet fall apart where all of a sudden she can't

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[SPEAKER_01]: She keeps losing these matches and she's losing her titles as it goes and her meltdown today.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That promo where she dropped the F bomb.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not a big proponent of using the F bomb, but if you're going to use it, you use it once and make it have an impact.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But if you keep using it all the time and everyone to touch the promo and use thefo, there's no power to it whatsoever.

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[SPEAKER_01]: There was so much power.

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[SPEAKER_01]: When that audience reacted to Mercedes, using that FOM against Will, it instantly made it a match or it's like, ooh, I think I want to see this one.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Then I want to share some comments from some of the people in the chat real quick from you to the next match.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Uh, Dana says I'll see you at Russell Kingdom.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I'm sure that was for you, Hub British Pub at noon on January 4th.

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[SPEAKER_01]: All the podcasts are going to be there and we're all going to hang out before Russell kingdom and celebrate or cry based off of who you want to win early.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So Dana also says I think Dave gives Mox to five stars and he'll hate doing it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know if that moxley in a cotton match got to five

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, four and a half, four and three quarter, possibly.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think it was like well on its way and then it ended much sooner than I thought it was gonna end.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We were kind of giving out a hard day working both of their matches the first time.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I could understand that match got going too long.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, Fernando is also in the chat.

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[SPEAKER_00]: What up, Fernando?

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[SPEAKER_00]: We'll get to some of your stuff at some point.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We'll leave that for now.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That match for good mock clean O'Cotta with 20 minutes.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, well, longer than O'Cotta's first match tonight.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And it was a little shorter than Malku's first match tonight.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It just, to me, it just felt like it was building.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then, right as I thought, they were just getting into gear.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's when it ended.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Darby Allen, we mentioned he beat Gabe Kid.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It was a bleeding bucket's match.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I like Gabe kid a lot and know there are some people who don't like Gabe kid a ton.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think he's got a ton of talent.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think he's got an opportunity because his personality is just so different than some folks.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There's a there's, you know, there's a Connor McGregor niss to him though.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I wouldn't say that he is a wrestler like how Connor McGregor was a fighter, but I did get

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[SPEAKER_00]: I also assumed Derby was winning and that game was here to have a really good match, but also to give Derby a win and that's what we got.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Again, I really have no issue with the match.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I thought the match was good.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I am just numb to the Derby stick.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So when it comes down to all of the crazy stuff that he's doing, as long as he gets up, I'm like, okay.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's going to do something else crazy and and that's just my issue with his matches right now.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I don't know.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.

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[SPEAKER_00]: What do you think about Gabe.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I thought that was probably the second most important match of his career in a lot of team probably behind the Omega match that he had early this year.

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[SPEAKER_01]: This was.

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[SPEAKER_01]: For all intents and purposes, his big audition for the bit for the stage in AEW.

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[SPEAKER_01]: A single match with the guy that everybody trusts with Garby Allen and he held his own.

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[SPEAKER_01]: His character work, his aggressiveness, his ability to convey like this uncaged animal kind of mentality.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think the entire presentation work really, really well and

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, if you're a fan of Game Kid in New Japan, uh, you're going to become apparently a fan of Game Kid in AEW sooner rather than the way you're.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then we got, uh, next was, uh, our, what was the mix nuts mayhem match?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Uh, yeah, that's what it's called the mixed eight man tag team, mixed nuts mayhem match.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so the whole thing like there was a little bit of a meta point to this match, which was AEW does not acknowledge that Roger strong and marina are married though I would guess 75% of their fan base knows that they are but a W fans are are in on the joke.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I was saying how normally I'm not a fan of kind of some of the comedy stuff, but also just that, you know, the idea of a Claudio, you know, giving, giving the, the spin though at the around the world to to Tony, but you know that they.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think they built it up to the things that the fans wanted to see and that's part of what this game is about is giving fans the spots that they want to see my guy Ryan Howard aka the best recapper in the business says that over delivered he didn't expect to enjoy that as much as he did and it didn't over say it's welcome either and you know you got Tony doing fun spots

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[SPEAKER_00]: think about some of the the mixed gender matches and you know the the best match I ever saw Kylie Ray in

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[SPEAKER_00]: was with speedball, and that was like, all right, yeah, when we were at that one show in Chicago, I was like, man, this is really good.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And it's because speedball is really good for one.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And he can do all of the things that she needs a dance partner to do.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so in some cases,

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[SPEAKER_00]: Women may have better matches with guys who can just do the things that they want them to do.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And you got some of that here.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But you also got kind of the fans being in on the joke.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Everybody like having a good time with it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I don't remember what the finish was.

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[SPEAKER_00]: What was the finish in this match?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, it was a Mark Briscoe.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, he gave the Jade Rower to the Jade Riller.

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[SPEAKER_01]: to we were you know I we were you that it was the victim but they did the whole stick with Tony and orange doing the dancing and it got a little silly at some point but the thing is

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[SPEAKER_01]: You're supposed to have fun with pro wrestling, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, you're supposed to go to the show and have fun.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And sometimes we got to present to you all the blood and blow you away and shock you and get in blood and sweat and tear, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Sometimes you just want to laugh, you want to smile, you just want to have a good time at the show.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And this was the match where it was like, you know what I had a good time watching that one.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That made me smile and I enjoyed a bunch of it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I went away happy.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And that's what that was.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And we take for granted how important that is on a really good show.

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[SPEAKER_01]: This was a great match.

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[SPEAKER_00]: By the way, I am using Ryan Howard's recap of this show, because that didn't take any notes while we were watching.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So that's the shoutout to Ryan Howard.

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[SPEAKER_00]: All right, and in a match, I really enjoyed, even though I'm not sure that this was built up, necessarily, the best that it could have been, Chris Dattlander and Jamie Hader, do you think about this match to me?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Is there's clearly something

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[SPEAKER_00]: missing from Chris Stattlander to kind of level up to where Tony Storm and Mercedes are.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Whether it's charisma, personality, the fact that maybe she's been around the longest, I don't know what that is.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so how do you get her up?

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[SPEAKER_00]: And the answer may simply be,

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[SPEAKER_00]: just keep having really good matches, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Because this match with Jamie Hader, though, there were some scary things happening in this match, too.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I hope both women are okay.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Hard hitting just really good stiffness to some of their stuff.

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[SPEAKER_00]: All of their power stuff look great.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And it was just a really strong match and maybe that is the maybe Chris that lander is just the work and woman's champion and I don't know if that is maybe that isn't going to be the thing, but whatever it is, I thought this was just a great display of what Chris that lander does really well and she had a great opponent in the ring to do that stuff with so hats off to both women on a show like this.

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[SPEAKER_00]: are people going to see this match as, you know, one of the best matches, let's show I'm not sure, but I just think from an aspect of heart hitting and believability and just.

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[SPEAKER_00]: working really, really hard to get where they wanted at the end of it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I thought they did great job.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Garrett, they worked so hard.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They worked so hard.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Every one of waiting for the next few matches on this thing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And maybe about eight minutes of the 18 minute match, all the sudden this crowd realized that I don't know what the right gendered way to call a women

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[SPEAKER_01]: is that they were physical, they hit hard, and like every Larry, you know, like they hit the, they hit the ring that so hard that it will just like, oh man, I feel this one.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And if Chris that letter just ended up being the champion, it's like,

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[SPEAKER_01]: you literally have to put me in the ground because I am so physically imposing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like that's a great, that's a great way to stand out.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like there would have character work to all these other wrestlers.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But if you literally just have the, like, you can't beat me because I will beat you to death first.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That I am here for a lot.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, the thing about this as well.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think a lot of people feel like Jamie Hader lost her fastball a little bit in her return because she was out for so long.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And that she was awesome here too.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like that, that's kind of what I like about this match as well, which is I'm more excited to see what happens to both of them or just as excited as I am to see where they go next with Moxley and his crew.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, let me ask you something here.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Chris Dattlander, if now had matches with Tony Storm, Jamie Hater, and Mercadies Monais, single matches.

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[SPEAKER_01]: At what point do we not say the, speak for real and she's like a top.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, but that's the thing, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: She's having these really good matches.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So why isn't she connecting?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Right, necessarily with it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And sometimes, you know, you see that with a lot of wrestlers, like, you know, a lot of male wrestlers.

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[SPEAKER_01]: What is he missing that isn't like taking her that's the million, that's the million dollar question.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Whatever that is,

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[SPEAKER_01]: Is it the booking?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Is it the way that she's being presented?

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[SPEAKER_01]: I do think the alien thing in a little in a little bit of a disconnect.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, but does she still do that stuff?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Is that still part of her?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, she came out in a run-in and she was wearing the like weird cargo outfit a couple of days ago and on one of the shows that I was watching.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I've had issues with my HBO map and there have been a bunch of shows that I

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[SPEAKER_01]: So really excited because it I will give a watch all the recaps and they're like yeah great But this one, you know, I didn't need a whole lot of story come into it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like there was a Challenger and she wanted the title and then we're gonna fight each other for it and that could they did?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, but but it's like shouldn't this match have been even bigger on the card like why wasn't it you know why didn't we look forward to it as much as you know the the kind of like there's something there right and I hope.

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[SPEAKER_00]: that they figured out because I think having stat being maybe maybe she's not going to be on that Tony or Mercedes level, but just being like right there with them is going to benefit that division and having what Hader showed tonight is like, okay, she's very close as well to being what she was when she left.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And maybe that maybe she is as good as she left, but just when she was

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[SPEAKER_00]: with where they go with stats.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I'm looking forward to that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The E-reqQs is that, yes, we had the C2.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And so we weren't able to prioritize this as much as we wanted to.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But in every month of the AEW programming,

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[SPEAKER_01]: there are decisions that are being made that's like what is a priority and what it's not.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Actively making Chris Statlanger and building her into a top level so that you have someone in addition to Mercedes-Bona, in addition to Tony Storm, as you're building well at night and gale at the same time.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You either are doing it and you're committed to it or you're half heartedly doing it and you're going to get the result that you deserve at the result.

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[SPEAKER_00]: All right, we already talked about the continental classic final with moxley beat no caught out.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We talked about the four way where MJF won the title.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So we won't recap those matches again.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But I do have a question for you, which is sometimes when we talk about these shows, it's like, okay, you know, we have you build and build and build and you get to this show and then it's like, what's next?

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[SPEAKER_00]: What do you think is going to be the, what do you think is the most important thing for this upcoming Wednesdays show for the, I mean, you have a new world champion, you have a new continental classic winner, you have a dominant female champion, like what like what is the thing that is kind of like getting you to tune in on Wednesday night.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think it's probably going to be M.J. F. and John Markley title celebrations.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I, as long as like not actually did his own tonight, so I suppose so, but you know, like I wouldn't be shocked if Markly have a title defense like right out the gate was one of those seat, you guys.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that's kind of his deal, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I think the first thing that we get on Dynamite is MJF out with that title, doing the whole thing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And if it were me, Bandito would come out there.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He's got that ring.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, and then all of a sudden you've got a match with MJF versus Bandito, title versus ring on the line, winner take all, and then you're right back to whatever

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[SPEAKER_00]: Uh, so, uh, Matt wants to know if you talked about how this to cash it'll caught a few defects, uh, what they're doing in New York.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We kind of reference it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Jeremy said that he doesn't think it changes his mind.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He has to cash it a beating.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So do you, but do you think O'Cottah beats Sanahashi, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, I don't, I don't think, yeah, I think O'Cottah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think O'Cottah is coming to the Tokyo don't know who's.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And that's been the story, since Okada was able to finally get over the mountain on Tanahashi.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He never really pushed that back, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: So we talked about that in that show with David that there was damage to New Japan when Nakamura and Okada didn't put in what he wanted.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, Matt, we talked about this in the beginning.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Jeremy has a an interview with Jeremy and Steven talked a big day for about an hour and 20 minutes about Tana Hashi and the retirement.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And it's going up Monday.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So you'll be able to check that out.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Did you think

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[SPEAKER_00]: Anybody like this is a hard one because there there were some very specific things in these matches where obviously John Moxie got over huge as a baby face to this crowd now we'll see how that turn happens.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I thought stat and hater both got over really, really big Mercedes, there's something with her character dropping the F-bombs.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Was there anybody else that you thought got stuff from this show where you're like, I'm really looking forward to what they're doing next?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, I thought the character work of Kyle Fletcher when he couldn't find the screwdriver was kind of like he elevated his game and I think his entire performance tonight, uh, took him to yet another level that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: the sky is the one that with the guy and it took two to tango for that mockly flutter match to be as great as it was and he was a big part of it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So if there's another briefing I can add to that list, it could become flutter.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I wonder when they run that matchback, mocksy and flutter?

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think you wait a year.

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[SPEAKER_00]: In February, they have the Revolution paper view in March.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Those are going to be their next big shows.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And like logically, if you're Kyle and you just lost this crazy back and forth match, you know, by the skin and your teeth, what is the logical thing that Kyle Fletcher wants answers about?

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think

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[SPEAKER_00]: he wants answers about where the damn screwdriver was.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He, I guess he wasn't watching the opener.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So there's some strife still within the callous team, Ocata and he and Ticashita.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We'll see where that whole thing goes.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You can set that up for sure.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The other thing isn't like, you think about the guy that Fletcher has walked to, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's my man.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's off-spray.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's, you know, monthly.

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[SPEAKER_01]: When Fletcher is the guy and he had his hit list, I was like, no, I'm taking my pound of flesh out on you.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And he's going to beat all of these guys at one point.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And we're setting all that up for down the line.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It feels very, very deliberate.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The guy said he has lost you and the guys that he's been protected against.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I think this is all

01:01:09.382 --> 01:01:14.967
[SPEAKER_01]: I think this is all bricks in the wall for later on for sure.

01:01:15.127 --> 01:01:26.238
[SPEAKER_01]: And I think there are other guys on the roster that they, you know, could parlay in between, I'm I'm waiting for the Omega, Fletcher match that I think is going to happen one day.

01:01:26.258 --> 01:01:36.047
[SPEAKER_01]: And I think that the one that I'm really looking forward to that I'm not quite sure is going to happen, but I'm really crossing my fingers that it does.

01:01:36.263 --> 01:01:37.988
[SPEAKER_00]: So Moxley has a continental belt.

01:01:38.208 --> 01:01:39.672
[SPEAKER_00]: What's the belt that Ocada has again?

01:01:40.013 --> 01:01:43.804
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, I think it's the unified belt.

01:01:45.990 --> 01:01:48.176
[SPEAKER_01]: Cause the unified belt in the continental belt were different.

01:01:48.898 --> 01:01:50.863
[SPEAKER_01]: I might have that wrong, but.

01:01:51.586 --> 01:01:56.492
[SPEAKER_00]: But whatever, whatever it is, there is an extra title now because the belts are split.

01:01:56.972 --> 01:01:57.172
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.

01:01:57.253 --> 01:02:04.120
[SPEAKER_01]: So if you're going to find the belt with a mega at what you had a belt and then it became the unified belt.

01:02:04.140 --> 01:02:04.401
[SPEAKER_00]: Right.

01:02:05.122 --> 01:02:12.550
[SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, whatever the Ocada half of that unified championship is called, I can't remember what it's called at this point.

01:02:12.991 --> 01:02:15.113
[SPEAKER_00]: But so there are

01:02:15.093 --> 01:02:26.385
[SPEAKER_00]: I think they're like five male championships in AEW right now and the fact that Kyle Fletcher doesn't have one is

01:02:26.517 --> 01:02:27.118
[SPEAKER_00]: interesting.

01:02:27.158 --> 01:02:46.518
[SPEAKER_00]: So I imagine, within the next couple of months, he will probably have one of those titles just because that if you're thinking about the evolution of his game getting something to reach that world title status again, international champ is what Ryan said.

01:02:46.958 --> 01:02:56.288
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I was like

01:02:56.538 --> 01:03:00.266
[SPEAKER_00]: a TBS champion national champion national champion.

01:03:00.326 --> 01:03:02.510
[SPEAKER_01]: We have a national champion and we have a world champion.

01:03:02.851 --> 01:03:02.951
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

01:03:03.172 --> 01:03:03.913
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

01:03:03.933 --> 01:03:06.739
[SPEAKER_00]: So that's a lot of belts and cool cool.

01:03:07.340 --> 01:03:09.124
[SPEAKER_01]: The more the the more the last day matter.

01:03:09.885 --> 01:03:14.074
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, I think I think I think there.

01:03:15.269 --> 01:03:29.498
[SPEAKER_00]: I think in your early analogy, who has those belts is a little bit more, but lesser than the A, W, World Title, has those other belts is kind of a... Not quite a deal making or breaking.

01:03:30.372 --> 01:03:35.178
[SPEAKER_00]: All right, so let's talk about Dave Meltzer star rating.

01:03:35.258 --> 01:03:39.423
[SPEAKER_00]: So you said, Moxley and Fletcher, you think is going over five.

01:03:39.443 --> 01:03:44.068
[SPEAKER_00]: You think in five and a quarter, five and a half.

01:03:45.129 --> 01:03:47.632
[SPEAKER_01]: Five and a half is the absolute ceiling that it would go.

01:03:47.652 --> 01:03:54.220
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, I think I think five and a half might actually be realistic.

01:03:55.432 --> 01:04:04.585
[SPEAKER_00]: I wonder what the highest star rating John Mockley has ever received from Dave, John the Mockley Matt, the magic is one of the best magic you've ever had.

01:04:04.765 --> 01:04:08.811
[SPEAKER_00]: The match with Hangman, I think, got a five at all in.

01:04:11.955 --> 01:04:12.476
[SPEAKER_00]: What else?

01:04:13.878 --> 01:04:15.921
[SPEAKER_01]: I can actually can walk this up.

01:04:17.335 --> 01:04:26.648
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, but this, this quite possibly is, is his best match ever, um, depending on what scale you are you are using.

01:04:27.349 --> 01:04:40.508
[SPEAKER_00]: What do you think the, um, the Ocada and Takeshita match is going to get.

01:04:40.994 --> 01:04:47.182
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't want to say, because like I said, I walked in late on that match, the finish is definitely took it down though.

01:04:47.762 --> 01:04:52.048
[SPEAKER_00]: The little small box in the finish, what about moxley and alcotta?

01:04:52.088 --> 01:04:54.751
[SPEAKER_00]: You think 4 and 7 4.75 again?

01:04:55.452 --> 01:04:56.333
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

01:04:57.875 --> 01:04:57.995
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.

01:04:58.015 --> 01:05:02.300
[SPEAKER_01]: It could go 5 either one of those could go 5, but I think 4.75.

01:05:03.662 --> 01:05:07.947
[SPEAKER_00]: What about hater and stat?

01:05:08.652 --> 01:05:09.293
[SPEAKER_01]: four times five.

01:05:09.834 --> 01:05:12.137
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, and then what do you think about the four way?

01:05:15.122 --> 01:05:15.783
[SPEAKER_01]: Four point five.

01:05:16.964 --> 01:05:17.646
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.

01:05:17.666 --> 01:05:18.968
[SPEAKER_00]: I think we're pretty close.

01:05:19.088 --> 01:05:26.198
[SPEAKER_00]: I wonder if if Hater and and stat gets to seven five hours thing in four point five.

01:05:26.419 --> 01:05:37.275
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean the fact that, you know, anything over four is a really good match, but I got your star rating for you for for Moxley.

01:05:38.302 --> 01:05:40.405
[SPEAKER_01]: five star or more matches.

01:05:40.425 --> 01:05:41.006
[SPEAKER_01]: No way.

01:05:41.347 --> 01:05:42.308
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.

01:05:42.328 --> 01:05:47.196
[SPEAKER_01]: He had the blood and guts match with the conglomeration.

01:05:47.416 --> 01:05:47.877
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.

01:05:47.897 --> 01:05:49.800
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, I'm what would you want?

01:05:49.820 --> 01:05:50.982
[SPEAKER_00]: You want me to go back.

01:05:51.002 --> 01:05:51.242
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.

01:05:51.302 --> 01:05:55.369
[SPEAKER_01]: He had he had Adam Page for some John Moxley tenses back.

01:05:55.389 --> 01:05:58.534
[SPEAKER_01]: Tenses death from July the fear was five and a half.

01:05:59.896 --> 01:06:00.116
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.

01:06:00.136 --> 01:06:02.900
[SPEAKER_01]: To call you versus him in 2024 with five stars.

01:06:03.281 --> 01:06:06.486
[SPEAKER_00]: Was

01:06:06.972 --> 01:06:10.556
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I think that was, yeah.

01:06:11.117 --> 01:06:11.357
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.

01:06:11.377 --> 01:06:19.786
[SPEAKER_01]: So, I, I, I, I couldn't speak anything on John Masley match was a five star Texas death match and they had a move.

01:06:19.806 --> 01:06:21.008
[SPEAKER_01]: We're also at that one.

01:06:21.869 --> 01:06:22.089
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.

01:06:24.712 --> 01:06:26.754
[SPEAKER_01]: And then John Masley because it's come over here.

01:06:26.814 --> 01:06:27.895
[SPEAKER_01]: She eat from it's G1.

01:06:28.376 --> 01:06:29.177
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.

01:06:29.197 --> 01:06:30.378
[SPEAKER_00]: I think I remember that match too.

01:06:30.398 --> 01:06:32.540
[SPEAKER_00]: So five and a half.

01:06:32.681 --> 01:06:32.981
[SPEAKER_00]: Wow.

01:06:33.101 --> 01:06:35.764
[SPEAKER_00]: For this year's all in.

01:06:36.149 --> 01:06:38.112
[SPEAKER_01]: a bit better than the test of death match.

01:06:38.653 --> 01:06:39.514
[SPEAKER_01]: They got five and a half.

01:06:39.975 --> 01:06:42.980
[SPEAKER_00]: I'll, I, ooh, it's different.

01:06:43.721 --> 01:06:44.602
[SPEAKER_01]: It's a different kind of match.

01:06:45.303 --> 01:06:55.620
[SPEAKER_00]: I really like that Texas death match because I thought the story peaked the way that I wanted it to peek and it was one of those moments where you're like, yes, they stuck the landing.

01:06:55.640 --> 01:06:58.444
[SPEAKER_00]: They did this really perfectly, um,

01:06:59.588 --> 01:07:02.112
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I mean, it's, it's probably pretty close.

01:07:02.392 --> 01:07:04.695
[SPEAKER_01]: It's in that, yeah, they're hovering around each other.

01:07:04.715 --> 01:07:08.821
[SPEAKER_01]: You know what I mean, like they're the caliber of matches, they're both very, very good.

01:07:09.142 --> 01:07:10.364
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

01:07:10.384 --> 01:07:10.724
[SPEAKER_00]: All right.

01:07:10.764 --> 01:07:11.766
[SPEAKER_01]: He'll all mind clean.

01:07:11.826 --> 01:07:12.987
[SPEAKER_01]: One of the baby face mothfully.

01:07:13.048 --> 01:07:15.571
[SPEAKER_01]: So, you know, they are very different animals.

01:07:16.693 --> 01:07:18.075
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, yes, for sure.

01:07:19.577 --> 01:07:24.504
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, and with Fernando's thing, he said, I would prefer to MJ if winning the title from Hangman one or one.

01:07:25.766 --> 01:07:26.507
[SPEAKER_00]: So,

01:07:26.993 --> 01:07:45.928
[SPEAKER_00]: The idea behind MJF, at least we believe, we were talking to Big Dave about this today, the idea behind MJF winning the title from Samoa Joe is so that he can face Hangman as Hangman for the contender.

01:07:45.948 --> 01:07:50.757
[SPEAKER_00]: So you can still do that match one on one without Hangman having to take a loss,

01:07:50.737 --> 01:08:04.098
[SPEAKER_00]: same with Swerve, and so the idea of it being a foreway, the idea of just so Joe being the transitional champion was just to get the belt back on M.J.F.

01:08:04.358 --> 01:08:04.739
[SPEAKER_00]: Change it.

01:08:04.819 --> 01:08:06.161
[SPEAKER_00]: So that M.J.F.

01:08:06.541 --> 01:08:15.515
[SPEAKER_00]: can have these singles matches that that you're talking about and for the baby phases to not have taken an L before he faces, for they face M.J.F.

01:08:15.635 --> 01:08:18.600
[SPEAKER_00]: So that is the thought process behind it.

01:08:18.580 --> 01:08:19.361
[SPEAKER_00]: All right, Jeremy.

01:08:19.802 --> 01:08:24.891
[SPEAKER_00]: You have a great, great, safe flight to Japan.

01:08:25.492 --> 01:08:27.175
[SPEAKER_00]: Get some rest.

01:08:27.195 --> 01:08:32.324
[SPEAKER_00]: And are you, so you had mentioned to me that you might be doing some shows from Japan.

01:08:32.605 --> 01:08:36.792
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, we'll click a Steven and I are definitely doing one.

01:08:36.772 --> 01:08:48.104
[SPEAKER_01]: on January 1st, when we January 2nd in the morning for me, but I'm not 100% sure whether we're doing a post-recycle kingdom show from Japan or not.

01:08:48.164 --> 01:08:51.347
[SPEAKER_01]: So I'm going to, I'm going to game plan with him this week.

01:08:52.729 --> 01:08:55.972
[SPEAKER_01]: We are for sure doing a show on Thursday.

01:08:56.432 --> 01:08:56.753
[SPEAKER_01]: Like.

01:08:58.755 --> 01:09:05.682
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, let's just, we have to stay,

01:09:06.117 --> 01:09:08.581
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know what the word is, but we all have to do Thursday.

01:09:08.601 --> 01:09:09.663
[SPEAKER_00]: We can do that with schedule.

01:09:09.884 --> 01:09:11.667
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, stay on schedule.

01:09:12.969 --> 01:09:15.193
[SPEAKER_00]: I wish you good Wi-Fi.

01:09:15.373 --> 01:09:21.063
[SPEAKER_00]: I hope that that I hope the whole, you know, where your hotel is and the Wi-Fi and your mic.

01:09:21.083 --> 01:09:22.526
[SPEAKER_01]: So you don't, hotel, I'm hoping.

01:09:22.806 --> 01:09:26.252
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, so hopefully it's a seven star hotel.

01:09:27.194 --> 01:09:39.014
[SPEAKER_00]: And you'll have the Wi-Fi and able to do the show with Steven, but yeah, have a great time and we'll see when you get back and can't wait to hear about all of the stuff that you are able to do.

01:09:39.595 --> 01:09:39.936
[SPEAKER_01]: All right.

01:09:40.276 --> 01:09:44.343
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not kidding when I tell you it really doesn't feel like a triple life time.

01:09:44.363 --> 01:09:51.816
[SPEAKER_00]: No, I mean, you're you have been, you know, you had this one on schedule for a bit and is the perfect time right.

01:09:51.836 --> 01:09:52.898
[SPEAKER_00]: Todd, how's she's retiring?

01:09:53.097 --> 01:10:04.002
[SPEAKER_01]: And all just the stars have aligned my friends, the stars have aligned and I count my I count my long people as soon as that I have a fantastic wife who is allowing me to go off and do this.

01:10:05.205 --> 01:10:10.718
[SPEAKER_01]: That that everything just kind of worked out it yeah, I'm just I'm thankful.

01:10:11.440 --> 01:10:27.746
[SPEAKER_00]: All right, shout out, just give some shout out to the people who are in our chat, shout out to Dana, shout out to Fernando, as always, Ryan Howard, best recapper in the biz wrestling community who chimed in for a little bit was in Chicago.

01:10:27.766 --> 01:10:36.300
[SPEAKER_00]: So maybe even been at the show, yeah, I think they were at the show because they said moxley's win was the biggest pop of the night next to MJ F's win.

01:10:36.280 --> 01:10:57.630
[SPEAKER_00]: and also to Matt who was hanging out and yeah, that is it and Fernando says that we are the channel of the year, Fernando that is so so nice of you to say to in a very to a very niche audience niche audience, maybe maybe that is the the

01:10:57.982 --> 01:11:01.707
[SPEAKER_00]: actually the right answer, but maybe not, but I do appreciate it.

01:11:02.047 --> 01:11:04.711
[SPEAKER_00]: So to everybody, we'll have some more shows.

01:11:05.832 --> 01:11:13.762
[SPEAKER_00]: I will be recording more than likely I will be recording the last observe this with Draven sometime in the next couple of days.

01:11:14.603 --> 01:11:22.133
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know about Jeff and Paul as far as the Dynamite show if they're going to be able to go in their normal time because I think that is on

01:11:22.113 --> 01:11:25.259
[SPEAKER_00]: But we have content coming all week.

01:11:25.319 --> 01:11:41.370
[SPEAKER_00]: So just check out the channel and you'll see all of the shows and again Just got a shout out Jeremy's upcoming interview with Big Dave about Tana Hashie premieres on the channel 10 a.m. Pacific on Monday and the

01:11:43.173 --> 01:11:49.280
[SPEAKER_00]: And the audio will be in our fiking media network audio channel Monday morning.

01:11:49.601 --> 01:11:49.863
[SPEAKER_00]: All right.

01:11:50.465 --> 01:11:53.579
[SPEAKER_00]: Thanks to everybody for Jerry.

01:11:53.599 --> 01:11:58.380
[SPEAKER_00]: I am WGCU when we see you piece out.