AEW Full Gear: Title Changes, Brutal Cage Match & Massive Surprises! | AEW Post Game Live

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[SPEAKER_01]: Hello, and welcome to the AEW full gear post game podcast and video from the fight game media network.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm Jeremy five.

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[SPEAKER_01]: General Longside me is Kila Cash and we are your host tonight to recap everything that happened on this AEW paper view.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, up to the up to the main event, my whole headline for it was a predictable show with above average wrestling by the performers, but by that main event, Kila, I felt like that prediction went right out the window.

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[SPEAKER_01]: How are you doing?

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm hanging in there, you know, you are right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It was just a show until it was something else during the last half an hour because I

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[SPEAKER_00]: Here we are, we have a new champion, out of nowhere, again, to wrap up a show in 2025.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It was fine.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Very, you know what I mean?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, I'm not, I'm not excited because the moment that

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[SPEAKER_01]: to the back.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And we immediately have Swerve and yeah, Hangman looks there at the very end, but it wasn't even about some old Joe winning the title.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It was just like, okay, now here comes Swerve, it's turned.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I don't know if that, I don't know if that has more to do with Tony

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[SPEAKER_01]: He's got ideas about terms and where he wants people to go or not, but this just felt like it was really early in the hangman run where you were building up legitimacy and then we're done.

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[SPEAKER_00]: were done, were finished, moves it back of the line.

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[SPEAKER_00]: As you said, swirves up on up, the whole MJF thing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, where's that going now?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Cause you can't catch a little hangman.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He doesn't have a championship.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So unless you circle back a world's end, and this is a one month title range for some more Joe, which I don't foresee.

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[SPEAKER_00]: This was interesting.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think that hangman should have dropped the title this quickly.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It just felt as if they wanted to do something to shock the crowd to make you believe and it can happen at a NAW paper, you which apparently does happen at a NAW paper, you anything can happen at a nowhere, but this one felt a little bit snap in terms of the decision because I thought, hey, man, was there a great job as champion?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Why switched directions at this very moment?

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[SPEAKER_01]: That was far in the way the top headline of the show.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We also had a couple other title changers.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I believe we had the TNT title change cans.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We had the men's tag team titles change cans.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And we crowned the first national title champion in AEW history because what we need was another men's single titles.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Those were also top stories and then, you know, we had champions who retained against, you know, conventional wisdom that maybe then lose their matches.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So there was some newsworthiness to the show.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But it just felt like we were going by the beat of booking if you want to say, you're like a smart fan or paying attention to how the story should go and pro wrestling.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It just felt like for a lot of the way on the bottom end of the card, it was just here there everywhere.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But at the top of the card, it's like, okay, now this is where we really need to like switch it up.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm okay with all of it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Uh, if they wanted me to be excited by it, I can't say that I was.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, but we have people in the people in the comment section for an end of the highest of checking in and uh, he is saying congratulations to Mark on the show, but he has nothing against Joe, but that title change made no sense to him.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So we have people that, you know, kind of on the same page with that, but I'm

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[SPEAKER_01]: bad thing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It just, it's just one of those things that seem like the reason for doing it will be made clear later on.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I need like a good reason for it to explain the switch up because it's giving a couple of years ago when Samoa Joe won the championship and granted, it was a great champion for the time you had the belt, but at the same time it's like running it back again, it's going to be a transitional champion again.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, I mean, the thing is I really tremendously like Joe as a champion because I think that there is a legitimacy to him holding that belt, but at the same time, I wasn't ready for hangman page to be done with the belt.

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[SPEAKER_01]: If that makes sense, I just kind of thought there was more meat on the bone and I guess it was a red herring that MJF was going to have to come back around and go with that title again because he wasn't even in the picture for the entire paper view or caching in that last contract.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So there's a number of people down the line who have claims to making a world title shot.

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[SPEAKER_01]: that we haven't addressed yet, but it seems like the avenue of hangman defending against the best of the brightest in AEW has been suspended for now.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And definitely a choice there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I hope to be a clarity by dynamite on Wednesday to explain why, but I'm kind of like

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's just an odd time.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It isn't feel right in the moment to do it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I love Samoa Joe.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think he's going to be a great champion, but it's like, I saw the story before less than two years ago.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And it was a fun story while the last did, but I already saw this play.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I already saw what's going to happen.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I kind of foresee it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Swarves are going to be a great challenger.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Did he be Samoa Joe to win the championship?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So it's like, why are you playing the same play?

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[SPEAKER_00]: They already saw.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know, but I want to ask you this, we had another reunion on the show with the elite for some intents and purposes getting back together and hangman isn't in that picture at all, but maybe that will tell us some point does it feel like.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We're just doing a lot of retrives and going to save spaces in the promotion rather than being exciting and taking chances, because if you think about it like that, I don't want to say it feels a little desperate, but it feels like you're going back to the things that you know the audience likes because you're not quite sure what the audience wants.

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[SPEAKER_00]: is definitely going back to the familiar of the elite being baby faces the young bucks, you know, going broke, getting humbled and then making the decision to reunite with Kineo mega.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It may sense to me because they've been building it for a while now, but I think you make a good point about.

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[SPEAKER_00]: comfort food and giving people that sense of, I remember the good old days, VW that slice of the elite and then being on top and then being baby faces and being good guys and hang man once again being in the underdog which he was just a few months ago to get back the championship.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I do wonder whether or not a W can't take more risks by getting other people over, because it's been a lot of done this done that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And it feels like they're reheating a lot of feuds from three or four years ago heading into next year.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I kind of see the tea leaves there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But I think also about the fact that

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[SPEAKER_00]: We need to be also elevating other people that have been stagnant for four or more years in this promotion that deserves that rub and shine versus people who already been there, done that, been established, had a run, get other people over and then reset the table that way.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm really glad you mentioned that because we're going to come back to that at some point because I think that there was at least one or two individuals that they made an effort to elevate after serious stagnation for a while and we're going to hash out whether it worked and it will continue to work later on.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But we're both a little tired, so we're gonna power through this show and we're gonna we're gonna give our thoughts and not Donald to my shit and okay with you, keep on

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[SPEAKER_00]: Let's speed through this, but with substance and context.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Absolutely, absolutely.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So the first match was on the collision pre-show, but it spilled into the main show.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It was the CML World Trials title match with Master Dorada, Mystico, and Nion, which is the L-sky team.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And they defeated the Don Call of Famous, we have had Chicero, Ocada, and Ticaceta,

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[SPEAKER_01]: If you aren't surprised by this, the entirety of the show was the inability of the California family to get along.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They set up the four of the main parks started that Mystico was injured by Hachichero and Noah Kota had shown up.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then the main card comes alive and we get with a card in the pre-show arriving in what was, I think, a Lamborghini.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And he's in full gear, like he's just in his trunk to the boots and he walks towards the stage.

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[SPEAKER_01]: As the show begins, you have his unbelievable entrance with his

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[SPEAKER_01]: a standard trio's match.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Mystico returned.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He stole the show by the time he came back.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Neon took advantage of O'Conan being a dick and Mystico got the win on Heterocero with a Mystica after revenge for Heterocero taking him apart.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Afterward, O'Conan begged off to Kesha and the CML guys celebrated in the ring.

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[SPEAKER_01]: This was probably one of the best matches on the show and

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[SPEAKER_01]: beat out a couple of other trio's matches that were on the show that I think should have given in a run for a money and kind of didn't.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I agree.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I thought it was like one of the better, like, let's bleed the pre-show into the main show matches.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They've done they're doing the new strategy of, do you want to see the rest of this match?

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[SPEAKER_00]: By the pay period, they haven't already done so.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Very sound strategy there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But as I predicted with Sam and Melon Parabom shows earlier the day, Hitch-Ceros, so purpose was to eat the pin for his team and he did.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I was happy with that prediction coming to pass and Ocada as I said earlier too on their show.

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[SPEAKER_00]: a slime, just slime in the best possible way being fashionably late for his match.

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[SPEAKER_00]: At least it was in full gear to match the name of full gear.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You're out there in your full gear late, as you possibly can be, and trying to be a team player, but you weren't.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I do love this slow burn tension between O'Cada and Tatechka.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, it's going to blow up eventually, and I'm here for it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I was absolutely amazed at how slimy he came off at his entrance, but also big time.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I could just like they managed to straddle the line because I really hate this guy and oh, yeah, he's a star and it's not easy to do, it's almost like at a flare level.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, Flair and his prime could do that whole coming out of the robe and just kind of do whatever you want it and the audience just Steered and hated him at the same time.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They love to hate him.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They just love that he was giving him the effort and Ocada, Ocada tried tonight.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'll give him that and I thought Sentinearly killed Dorada a few nights ago.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm just I'm just glad that he was on this game tonight.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Me too.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I appreciate that the duality of being a slime ball and or a form at the same time is art for a mission to be appreciated, but I'm going to make a wild comparison.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I love the fact that Ocada is in his Mariah Care era.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm doing the bare minimum, unless I have to do more that's who I am right now a diva as you should be.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He should be the diva of all divas.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I will work when I want to I will get up when I want to and if I want to put on a five star banger, I'll do it when I want to.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I, the thing about this match, it really made me happy is I watched the, the big boom AJ match beforehand and frankly, I had no content to what was going on with the boom and doom and everything going on, but in all work, it was fun, but this was like, okay, we've got work rate, we've got a story, and I am compelled at least for this story.

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[SPEAKER_01]: far and away is the story that I'm most interested in all of the EW right now.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I think we all know where it's going.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm here for it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So real quick, Lady B has jumped into the chat and she mentioned pouring one out for my beloved hangman, poor guy, had more to do.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And pouring one out

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[SPEAKER_01]: They changed his music and he walked his title at the same time.

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[SPEAKER_01]: There's no way in hell that music is sticking.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's just that's just bad luck.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You can't you can't put that kind of mojo on somebody.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's a double whammy.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The audacity first of all.

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[SPEAKER_01]: What an insult to injury.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Literally an insult to injury.

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[SPEAKER_01]: All right, we're moving on.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We're moving on.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Pack.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, we're across the Ellis saying hello.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Thank you.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, we've been on in.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We got we got the regulars.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Check it in on the show.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I appreciate you all making time for us as we are awake way past our bedtime times.

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[SPEAKER_01]: pack defeated Darby Allen in just under 17 minutes.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So the match begins and Pock is sitting in a chair outside in the audience and

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[SPEAKER_01]: I got to tell you, Keela, I sat there and I wondered how long was he sitting in that chair?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Did he watch the first match from there, just silently raging, or did he just decided he was going to pull up a chair and wait for the camera to come to him, and that's where he can do it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The other thing that I was thinking about during when the fan started, but thankfully,

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[SPEAKER_01]: This was a really good match that stayed a legitimate wrestling match and given the state of what the matches were later on.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I understand early on why it was more of a legitimate grappling match than anything else.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Basically, Darby got a dance kick without weapons for the majority of this match.

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[SPEAKER_01]: She was necked on the ropes and thrown like a long dart multiple times.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He made it come back using the ring apron and later a draw kick from the top of a ball pop was on a chair.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Pock went for the black arrow, got caught in the stirrup in death rock and Darby was filled by a bat by the bat, those placed by you to in a distraction so that Pock could get the win.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We're continuing with death writers and Darby clearly I can't say that I'm excited for that direction, but this was the best Darby match that I have seen in God knows how long because I felt like he was wrestling a match rather than doing a stunt show.

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[SPEAKER_00]: that is a perfect encapsulation of the review.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And that he wrestled a straight match did not do anything extra because I do miss the Darby of Ode that wrestled that had like the skill set to be a wrestler, which we know he has versus being a stunt devil that can do crazy shit, which is incredible.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But getting down to basics on a card that just requires you to wrestle, it was refreshing to see because as you said, the rest of the show it devolved into Blood and Gut's part two.

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[SPEAKER_00]: on the paper view.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So it's best to kind of stay subdued, stay in your lane of being a wrestler and then lose.

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[SPEAKER_00]: My only downside is this feud must continue with the deathwriters.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And as I said earlier too, he's one of these guys.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's been in this company for five or more years.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Then

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[SPEAKER_00]: to that next level, tease it a bit a few years ago in that fatal four-way pillars match at double enoughing, but since that time has not been a real contender for the A, W, World Championship, when will Darby Allen be, I don't know, a main event player.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I feel like high schools collect less blood on a blood drive than the plasma that they collected on the mat here at the show

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[SPEAKER_01]: And the fact that this had no blood, it's frequently stouting to me, because you looked down and say, four of these matches had no blood, picked them out.

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[SPEAKER_01]: 90% of the people would pick the pack and Darby, I'm not just having blood.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Blood free.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I, good for them.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Kudos.

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[SPEAKER_00]: A, the booking board right in his case.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Wild.

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[SPEAKER_00]: a normal match, a rarity to speak up for Darby Allen standards restraint among the agents can never believe it happened.

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[SPEAKER_01]: All right, moving on.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We got the four way tag team match in the women's division.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The winners of this match get to name the stipulation in their upcoming match.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We had the timeless love bombs of being a Shira Kawa and Tony Storm and they defeated the sisters of sin, Julie Hart and Sky Blue.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The babes of wrath, Harley Cameron and Will and I in Gale, and Marina Shifier and Megabane who have no team name that is clever and or with he in some way shape or form.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't have much to say about this match other than the baby face has got along

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[SPEAKER_01]: Tony was held out for the majority of the match and you know everyone kind of got to do their stuff but it wasn't anything special.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Tony and Harley traded pin attempts to end until Harley hit a knee but Tony managed to roll that through and got a pin and eight women got on the match on the show and that's cool but I just it was there.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They all worked really, really hard but it just

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[SPEAKER_01]: This should have been a tag team title match.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I said that as well, my family's saying, when there's not much to say, it's a match that existed in a bubble in time.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And it happened.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I did predict the Tony and Mina were going to win this match because after what happened in blood and guts, you got to get revenge on Marina and Meghan for what they did to Mina.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So you said the step is going to be some crazy match that I'm here for.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The finish makes sense to me in terms of the baby face is winning in terms of Tony and Mina.

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[SPEAKER_00]: for the championship on this card.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But as I said on Power Bomb shows earlier today as well, they're saving this for winter is coming for television in a few weeks time on Dynamite, which will probably be a three-hour show.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I wanted to make sure that if they were going to do the tag team title for the women, the inaugural ones, that they were going to do it at the same level of show,

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[SPEAKER_01]: that they did for the men and to their credit, the men's tag team champion were first crowned on a AEW Dynamite.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I wish it were on a paper view.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think that if you want to treat it as important and it's like you create every other men's title and you crown them on a paper view.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It just, it felt like a disparity, but I'm sure that there will be a number of people who will come along and it's playing to me, no, no, no, you just don't understand why the the mechanics of the dynamics involved.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I await it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I look forward to it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I still feel the way I feel.

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[SPEAKER_00]: and you're right, you're not wrong.

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[SPEAKER_00]: When you're doing something special, such as chronic a first-ever champion, you do it on the paper view.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There is history there with the missed tag and titles being crowned on a dynamite and I kind of sense looking at the calendar looking at the lineup and the tournament, I kind of sense winter is coming.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Which is a big show for a W before worlds and right in the middle of the C2,

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[SPEAKER_00]: Will they have the main event when tourists coming?

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[SPEAKER_00]: I doubt it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They're probably having in the middle of the show give the new champions a nice moment.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But this should have been on a paper view buck for trend because guess what you're crowning a new champion.

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[SPEAKER_00]: First ever champion on up.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Guess what a pay per view.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, it didn't happen, but we did have being of a men's tag team title match.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I'll be honest with you, Kila.

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[SPEAKER_01]: This was in the running to me for the best match of the night.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Uh, this was just fantastic to cop the bottom, uh, they FTR tends to get a little bit more time than everyone else, but they got a comparable time than everyone else and did a lot more of it than I thought, uh, other people did.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So,

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[SPEAKER_01]: And basically was for the university R was an ask kicking baby face team versus a legitimate threat of heels.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It was great.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I loved it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Tag team technicians.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Then it's got great when Brody suicide dive and stoked we took the bullet.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Bandino ended up in being peril with that clip moments including a one arm press on cash and a high cross body on FTR both.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Bandino hit the plethora and got hit with the

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[SPEAKER_01]: Brodino hit their own shatter machine with no pin.

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[SPEAKER_01]: FTR then hit spike powder anchors on both.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Also got no pin.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Bandino flipped them off to hit a shatter machine and they won the belts for the third time.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know what I could have done to explain what that match was and how good it was, but it reminded me of FTR versus the briskos.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It felt like a classic FTR match.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Being for the titles, I thought Bandito.

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[SPEAKER_01]: did an excellent job continuing to legitimize themselves as a potential top baby face for the company going forward.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And even though they lost the tag titles, I sincerely hope both Brody King and Bandito are in the C2 and we'll kind of take our guesses as to the full roster that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But FTR going forward if the tag champions with Christian and

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[SPEAKER_01]: Man, of all the matches and all the predictable finishes they had, this one is the most satisfying.

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[SPEAKER_00]: agreed.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I love this match.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It was great.

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[SPEAKER_00]: This was peak crowd heat too.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think after this match crowd kind of Peter patterned out for the rest of the night.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The action was great.

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[SPEAKER_00]: FTR.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They are my tag team of the year.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They are simply the best what they do.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And they display that once again here again, Spro-Dito.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to miss them as tag team champions.

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[SPEAKER_00]: One of the best surprise mash-up teams of the year delivered

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[SPEAKER_00]: player in this company.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's so good.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So over as a baby face, I love this coming out for Brody King to this year.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He should be a single star as well.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And the C2 is a great opportunity for both guys to go out there ball out on weekly television, rack up wins in his tournament and see where it takes them heading into the end of the year.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So it's a bit of sweet finish for them as champions.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But this was FTR's moment well deserved and they had the crowd every step of the way.

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[SPEAKER_00]: by working your asses off.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, they, this was

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[SPEAKER_01]: it was hard for the next couple of matches to live up to it and we'll get to a couple of the singles matches later on and whether which one kind of hooked the crowd and hooked you more.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But before we get to the gauntlet match, friend of Ryan mentioned that he thought the tag match was the match of the night.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Bandito is the wrestler of the year and that coping Christian

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[SPEAKER_01]: and such and Maria Graziella said, Brody King should get a major singles push and attend to agree.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I hope that he is a beast in the C2.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That is a great opportunity for him going forward.

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[SPEAKER_01]: All right, so after the World Tech Team title match that we both dearly loved, we have the AEW National title, casino, Gauntlet match for the Uncrowned AEW National title.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We had in this order of people coming out, are you ready for it?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Bobby Lashley, shown Benjamin, Ricochet after 30 seconds, Claudio, who managed to hit the sweetest Swiss uppercut from the outside when Ricochet went for a dive.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He came out.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Daniel Garcia was next followed by Orange Cassidy in Wheeler, Utah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: What a bit of comedy here with Richard thinking he was a death writer when they were all beating up Orange Cassidy.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And Kevin night came out and he did his fantastic work in a Rambo style setting.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Ronnie Strong came out to almost no reaction whatsoever.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Then poor guy, poor man, Mark Davis,

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[SPEAKER_01]: Uh, desperately trying to get over and I think he got a little bit of love by some point in the match, but oh God, he is just behind me eight ball while he's off the open partner Kyle Fletcher is absolutely thriving.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Uh, after that speedball came out he and night went, uh, went after each other a little bit and that was getting the crowd a little bit excited just to see these partners and you know something that probably keeps some point moving on.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Matt Minard came out after that, and she was the last guy to come out.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He disposed of Daniel Garcia, and then her safety kit recovered, Ricochet, and Speedball, among others, get murdered, the big old smallest Ricochet, then managed to hit a spirit gun on Kevin night, and one.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It was every casino gauntlet match you've seen without, like, exceptional star power, like, will ask Brad just carrying the match all the way through.

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[SPEAKER_01]: There were only a few people that you would think we're going to win this match and one of those few people did indeed win this match.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And honestly, it was fine.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't understand why we have this title.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We're going to find out why we have this title.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's probably going to get traded between

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[SPEAKER_01]: Ricky Shave's group is called and the hurt syndicate.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So it's fine.

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[SPEAKER_01]: In whatever, I'm not really sure if I care, but the math is fun.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It was fine.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But it was also indicative of kind of the predictable booking that we were talking about on the other card.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I also questioned the existence of this championship.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I have been trying to care really hard about a new championship in AEW.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Even when I saw the championship belt, it's pretty belt.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't care because we have enough.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's basically the international championship we already have, and we already had the greatest champion of that belt, which was Orange Cassidy,

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[SPEAKER_00]: I would have picked him to win this match, happy for Ricochet plays to his rivalry with her son of kid.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I get it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But he just won a title that will be eighth on the packing order on a W television moving forward.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It is what it is.

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[SPEAKER_00]: This is the championship that exists.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's going to defend it in different promotions.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Good for you.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I just cannot find a reason to care about another

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[SPEAKER_00]: We have 50 in ships.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm supposed to get up for this belt that is basically the international title.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Come on, you need to count.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We have nine title.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Can I give you a hand of guys?

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[SPEAKER_00]: So A for the computer is right on the money.

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[SPEAKER_00]: A for the pecking order.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It is a useless title.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Why do we have it, Tony?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Answer me that question.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Why does this belt exist?

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, it feels like it's going to bounce around in a couple of different promotions for what it was.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I guess I understand why Rikashay has it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But I'm shh.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's somebody's got to do it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm so tired.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's like these shows.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I know it's a matter of getting your money's worth.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But there's a point where four and a half hours is just like you don't need to.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But you just get in and get out three and a half hours.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's the sweet spot.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That is a money spot.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And if you need to like go hog wild and a couple of these matches for people to feel like they get it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I understand, a couple of these matches could have gotten cut.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We could have gone without 23 minutes of a casino call at match.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That could have been on a dynamite.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Mm-hmm.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That could have made me feel like the value of that title and it's important.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But we did a four and a half hour show.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And there was a band that definitely could have not been on the show in check.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's just my advocacy.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm sorry if that hurt any feeling.

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[SPEAKER_01]: but I'm tired.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Didn't hurt my neither.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And in fact, this gollin' matchin' and having meaningful surprises that hurt the match too, people will like hoping that certain people came back, did not happen.

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[SPEAKER_00]: My condolences to Mark Davis and no pop.

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[SPEAKER_00]: My god.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, that was sad.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Here, crickets for his entrance.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That was rough.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Great guy.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Not an argument for that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He did.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And that says a lot does.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I'm not an active wrestler for the majority of the last year.

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[SPEAKER_00]: No, and he's got a bigger reaction than Mark Davis, who's a part of the biggest hill faction in this company, and he got no pop.

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[SPEAKER_01]: All right, last thing I'm going to do about this match.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Removing the obvious candidates of who could have won this match.

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[SPEAKER_01]: If there was an outside dark horse candidate of the people that were in this match, who would it have been for you to win this title?

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[SPEAKER_00]: if he's trying to make someone, Kevin, if you try to make somebody.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I agree with Kevin Knight, I think it would have worked with Speedball as well.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I was thinking of him as well.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It was a tie between those two, but I feel like if you're trying to make someone and trying to make this title mean a little something, then you give it to someone that can give it a little polish and that would have been Kevin Knight.

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[SPEAKER_01]: time with you on that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think Kevin night, if they really wanted to surprise people, him winning the title would have been a fantastic moment and would have made me care about the title as he's desperately trying to retain it against all these challenges.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That would be fun.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We got two matches next that feel like two sides of the same coin.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But we're going to handle them one by one.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The first is the no-hole guard match in which Kyle O'Reilly defeated John Malkley.

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[SPEAKER_01]: This was a really good match with someone saying unexpected finish.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And it was a no-hole guard match in which

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[SPEAKER_01]: John Bond playing Kyle Riley in a no holds bar match had no chance of keeping the crowd unless they started the blood early.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And oh my god, did they start this blood early?

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[SPEAKER_01]: The blood flowed monster to everything is power to get Kyle Riley over.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He used a fork very early on to stab Kyle in the head and the hand all over the place and Kyle used the fork back.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It was basically the one prop in the entire match.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Uh, apparently since no hold were barred, you can't bar some one from putting him in a hold and then you see a fork afterwards.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I get the logic, but didn't really spell that out all that much.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Kyla Calbrata Chain, but Malkin' to use him to choke him, Kyla stabbed Malkin' his hand, Malkin' his stabbed Kyla into the chains, Malkin' his then pulmonize Kyla's left arm.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Kyla then got Malkin' to a chain-wrapped ankle lock in a complete board-dust.

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[SPEAKER_01]: This was a really good match, but I was very de-sensitized by the whole thing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: was more wrapped up, and I think this is a fault of my own rather than a legit criticism.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But I was more wrapped up based off of the history of AEW follow-ups of what is next for Kyle O'Reilly.

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[SPEAKER_01]: If he and the C2, if he're gonna go on a run there,

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[SPEAKER_01]: if he going to get a shot at a legitimate title, or if he just going to be a guy, then every time he goes in the ring in a good opportunity, he has a couple of spots and he's put in positions to succeed, but not be taken seriously.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That was the part I was worried about, but I was reminded by a few people that like this was the payoff to the ankle walking in the tap out of blood and guts and so on and so forth, my only thought is.

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[SPEAKER_01]: This was all part of the rebuild because of so much work needs to go into rehabilitate the sky.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's not just what it does that needed to get over and the building up is like, he needs to stack win after win after win after win.

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[SPEAKER_01]: There's a guy in New Japan, his name is Calab Newman and he's now the defacto leader of kind of a dead owner rival faction called United Empire.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And they're trying to build him up

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[SPEAKER_01]: But unless he wins matches and four or five, six months down the line, they built him up where both the TV and the live audience believe that this guy is viable as a threat and at a top level at least to hold some type of reasonable title, it's not going to work.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And that my fear with Kyle Riley, he's clearly got the good.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He's clearly one of the best wrestlers on the roster.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The ability for the audience to connect with him in such a fundamental way has been lacking up till now.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm just not sure if pouring bucket to blood is enough for the audience to connect.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Whoo, I agree with you, and that when is too much too much to get someone over.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Going back, let's go back to the pack and Darby match earlier that did not rely on blood.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It was a straight up wrestling match, sometimes even though you can kind of predict how the crowd is going to go, sometimes you got to get back to basics and not.

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[SPEAKER_00]: rely on the blood and go of everything because it's not going to always get you over.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That is a fact of life.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It is to work great is what you do after that moment that counts.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Because as you said, you have this built in your head.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, he won this match.

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[SPEAKER_00]: What's next for Kyle?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Are they going to push him?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Is he going to be a difference to make her for a championship in a W?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Will it be taken seriously?

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[SPEAKER_00]: These are all good questions because you've seen guys get to a certain point.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then they don't get to that next level.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And they stagnate and they are stationary and they don't move.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So your concerns are valid.

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[SPEAKER_00]: This match was very good in the bubble.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Crowd was really into it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They were singing Seth's song.

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[SPEAKER_00]: when mocks did a stomp a little deer.

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[SPEAKER_00]: This isn't great.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There's a little bit of a disconnect there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like the effort was there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I can see mocks doing everything in this power to get a guy over.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But there's an over reliance on color and blood to get to that point to sell it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: you can't do that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think it's a crunch at this point.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Just get back to the nuts and boats of what you do, which is Russell.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It can be intense.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It can be physical.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It can be at times narrowly, but it can be over the top and it's sometimes you dig it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You do get numb to it because we just saw blood and gut so we could go.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We just saw blood and violence and gore and then you do

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[SPEAKER_01]: way to be mentioned that Kyle Rye won't be in the C2 because he like we won't be cleared for it, which is fine.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I can totally understand that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He lost Pint's blood that other people generously donated in the ring for him to collect the way to Ron, so that that real team effort

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm optimistic about this.

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[SPEAKER_01]: There was something about this match that I think that they tried to emulate and I don't love bringing up this name, but it kind of reminds me of the attempt when they had Kurt Angle and Chris Benoit at the Royal Rumble in 2000.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And Chris Benoit ended up just getting

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[SPEAKER_01]: completely over off of the work rate and the grit and the absolute like tenacity of not giving up and fighting and even though he lost you won that night.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And there's a part of me that felt like Kyle Riley was trying to channel that same kind of Robin Wolverine energy where he just wasn't going to quit and he has that grit.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I, I'm really happy.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Hopefully they do a little bit quicker because that is not reacting to it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: If he beat John Malkley and he did beat John Malkley, I hope that they have a legitimate plan to follow up.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The only other thing about this match was that when Kyle Riley won this match, it still felt like the post-match was about John Malkley.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And the next match we had had the kind of finishing celebration for what a big deal it was that it happened.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But in this one, I just kind of felt like holy crap, this guy just did something that no one really thought you were going to do on this show.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And

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[SPEAKER_01]: you're still making it kind of seem like he, the afterthought.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Storyline predicated, I get it, but the idea and thought and practicality versus execution kind of had me feeling like Kyle Ryley wasn't the point of the story.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, the story is John Moxley getting excommunicated from the deathwriters.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Eminently, that was a story post-match, which is unfortunate because it had been about Kyle getting this win via submission again on Moxley.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That should have been the story, that should have been his moment.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So now it's like, well, my win is secondary to the main story, which is deathwriters drama, which I get, but at the same time it's like, let's,

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[SPEAKER_00]: marinated the moment of how getting a big win and hopefully getting a big push from this.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not being in the C2 sucks, but I do believe there's something big out there for him heading into early next year.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That should result in a major championship victory, which I'm here for, is long overdue time for that Colorado push.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But with all things in AEW, to be determined.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I hope it's not to be determined for too long, but it is, uh, shaking the magic a ball in the future as cloudy.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Moving on to the AEW TNT title, no disqualification match, uh, Mark Briscoe defeated Kyle Fletcher in just under 25 minutes.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Man, this match really did it for me in a way that the match before didn't, and I know that a lot of people like the mock-lean O'Reilly match more.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So, you know, you can go back and forth with which when you

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[SPEAKER_01]: I just felt like this was a much more complete wrestling match with an outcome that I felt kind of was up in question because of the stipulations, brisco would have to join the college family, which there is plenty of being on that bone of brisco during the college family if in return that fudge or put up the title.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The earned transformation of Kyle Fletcher, if it's out of complete with the thumb tack matches that he has, he looks and carries himself in such a way that 2008 to 2013, Randy Orton, we'll say, and I know that guy.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And very familiar, very familiar.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We had tack, we had tables, and we had chairs on my Kyle hit a thrust kick on,

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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yeah, he had a kind of thrust kick on Briscoe who had a mouthful attack, which was absolutely disgusting in one of those spots the night.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Mark pulled out two tables at one point one with barbed wire and one and y'all pulled out a ladder.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He did a froggy bow on the table on Kyle then Mark pulled the barbed wire table into the ring.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Kyle hit him with the screwdriver.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then in the most frightening moment of the entire match, maybe the entire show with the bloodbath that it was, these two crazy idiots put the screwdriver, screwdriver face up and on their sweaty bodies decided to fight above it and at one point, Kyle Fletcher slipped and I swear he almost impaled his arm on the screwdriver.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I was just like, you guys know, and they, they immediately pulled that screwdriver out right after rings in real And it's not a great idea.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Uh, but after they, uh, they got the scraper out of the exposed position.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Put your hit a brainbuster and got no three count.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They went ahead and they fought on the corner and then a market a BT bomb and then the change roller for the win.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I was not expecting him to hit the change roller.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I was not expecting him to win the match.

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[SPEAKER_01]: When he did, I was, I don't even want to say the word if pleasantly surprised.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I was really happy to see that finish of this match.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It just kind of felt like,

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[SPEAKER_01]: they weren't going in that kind of direction of giving you those happy wins and given the way that the show ended as he waited it there.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But man, this felt like the right finish at the right time and kind of set up good direction and Briscoe got the payoff that he'd been deserving to have ever since beating MJF and meeting that way to get him after being the lovable loser for so long.

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[SPEAKER_01]: What are your thoughts?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Narlie, nasty match, which I loved.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I knew that Marcus going to win because nothing else made sense.

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[SPEAKER_00]: This has been a very uneven, best of seven series, but I'm very happy that Mark got the W. Kyle Fletcher.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Kyle Orton, I should say at this, at this juncture,

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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, it's not a bad thing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like I, if you are a fan of Randy or in my peak or in his 2011 to today in terms of work rate in terms of being that dude, that is a compliment to be on that level and Kyle, I think is better than or in that way in terms of being complete being out there putting in that work got the charisma to match as well and he was a giver throughout this few despite it being uneven.

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[SPEAKER_00]: you beat MJF and then you come back and you beat Kyle and you win the championship that is moving someone up that is someone getting something out of these winds and getting elevated that's what I like to see that the when against MJF met something it

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[SPEAKER_00]: elevated him to this championship, which I like to see.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It was worth it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It meant something.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's what we mean about.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Can we get someone over?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Can we make these wins mean something?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Will it elevate you to somewhere else from our griscovery answers?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And even with Colorado, with even with cow fletcher losing, that means he's also moving on up the ranks as well.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And that baby face push

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[SPEAKER_01]: So we'll hop to this point now before we knock out the last three matches.

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[SPEAKER_01]: There was a bad thing to segment later on in the show where Ocada and Callis and Tikeshna and Renee Young were all talking about their future and Ocada was going to be in the C2 for Don Callis.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Then Tikeshna, you know.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Plucky young lion that he is under the copide of Ocotta's Sempai has decided, he too will be in the C2 much to the consternation of everybody, even though Don Calves decided, though this is great for everyone, but the real star of this segment was Kyle Fletcher completely covered in dried blood, calling out

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[SPEAKER_01]: Takeshida and Okada for there.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Where were you, Prodive Shida?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Where were you, Prodive Kada?

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[SPEAKER_01]: When I lost my title, I'll tell you what I'm going to be in the C2 as well.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So we got three people announced for what it presumably in 12 person field of the C2.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I ask you, Kila, do you have any other thoughts of who might be in the C2 this year?

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[SPEAKER_00]: I got pretty king, if those healthy, I got him in this as well.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Darby, yes.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Pack, yes.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Clotter.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, Claudio, yes.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Speedball, yes, in the C2.

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[SPEAKER_00]: What a mockery.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Probably probably one death right or any talk.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I sense that for sure Daniel Garcia.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think it's gonna be like a lot of factions and this thing I do believe that it's gonna kind of fill out the Shelton yes bobby no Ricochet yes

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[SPEAKER_01]: You're running out of people, what are you doing?

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[SPEAKER_00]: I know.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I know.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm trying to think like who else can we put in this thing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Kyle would have been a pick for mine, but he's out.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You put Eddie in there?

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[UNKNOWN]: Oh, man.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think he's ready.

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[SPEAKER_00]: OK. Um, let me think.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Orange Cassidy, put him in there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Put him in there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: All right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: who could use a little something?

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know what, I'd love to see a MLL guy in there.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Could put this to go there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, that would be a good one.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That'd be a good one.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That'd be a good one.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That'd be a good one.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We need to get some see a MLL switchers in there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: First go, maybe, maybe.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I feel like if you have a title, maybe you're not in the running, you know, but maybe the title is a matter anymore.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know, Rick and Shane might be in it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe he's not, but maybe he's like hanging around with that title.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Just kind of saying, hey, I got this title.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We got to have a couple of pinneeders on the thing, so Kevin night and speedball team, yeah, likely, and then maybe a heel tag team.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Loved that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's your Pharaoh.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I could see him in it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh yeah, eating a lot of losses.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That'll be his, his role, which is perfectly fine.

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[SPEAKER_00]: 12 people here are there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There should be fine.

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[SPEAKER_01]: All right.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So bearing the lead here, we're moving on to the next match, which was the $1 million sits man tag team match.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Kira, I don't know how to tell you this.

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[SPEAKER_01]: This match was completely unremarkable given the people that were in it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And that's rough when we have like Kenny Omega and Jurassic Express and the young bucks mind you in a match and noted technician Josh Alexander I just expected more yeah and in the spot they were in it's like okay I showed up for a night to work and everybody will find but the young

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I felt like they were just clocking in for the night.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I thought Jack Perry and Luchessaurus had an opportunity to really show out and like show the fake and hang with these guys.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And they could hang

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[SPEAKER_01]: But I'm not like, oh, man, they got, they really knock my socks off and Omega was designed in the match to sell an ankle injury that would remind you of a boost.

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[SPEAKER_01]: She and all the other things that he's been going through so that we got to the pan off at the end.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But for the most part,

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[SPEAKER_01]: I kind of, before the match even started, I mentioned the discord, I kind of think that the MLL trio's match is going to get rated higher than this one in the long run.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I don't know why I felt like that, but I did, and I feel like I'm right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: if a match could ever be sent as an email, this is the match.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Wow, that could have been an email.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Then you can open up at any time schedule when you open it up and just you can watch it at any time.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's what it was giving to me.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It was giving, we could put this on Dynamite and it would be perfectly acceptable.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And it was a perfectly fine match that did not move me at all.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I like everybody in this match,

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[SPEAKER_00]: the positioning.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, we're not in the main event.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We're not even in the middle of the car.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We're like hanging on towards the end.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, that's what they was given.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It was kind of like going through the motion.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And you did the match to get to the finish, which was the young bug, painted Jack Perry.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then afterwards, Omega in the ring selling his ankle, the Calus family then assault him and we spend probably not 90 seconds with the buck holding their band to cash deciding whether they're going to be sell out with Don Callis or save their friend sell out, save their friend, sell out, save their friend, sell out, save their friend, sell out, save their friend,

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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yeah, should we sell out or say the right, it just went on and on and on granted the four and a half hour pay for view, but they had to decide for about five minutes whether you're going to sell out and save their friend.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They decided to save their friend Cuba.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We're all shocked.

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[SPEAKER_01]: David.

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[SPEAKER_01]: unbelievable unbelievable choice given that they've been leading this horse to water to drink for the last six weeks.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Even in the last paper view, it was time I suppose to bring them all back together given that Omega probably doesn't have a whole lot of full time dates left to fill and they want to knock this all out.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But

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[SPEAKER_01]: in all just sell it, set up to it, and after it was all set up, I don't even think the audience really appreciated it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think they're just like, oh, cool, they're all back together, but it wasn't like the huge pop that say other factions of Legend and Laura, if they were to get back together, would just be like, oh, holy, holy es, you know, I can't believe this is happening.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They've done this before.

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[SPEAKER_01]: you went back to squeeze an orange that you've already squeezed a lot of that juice is over gone.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, because we've seen this play before, kind of like the main event we've seen this play before, it's nothing new.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The reunion is nice, but we have been there done that before.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We've gone through the moody bucks phase of them being hills and then they go back to being baby faces.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We've had Kenny Omega be a heal and they come back home as a baby face.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So when they reunite it's like, oh,

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[SPEAKER_00]: that should be a hard mark moment, but I'm not up for it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So it was nice in the moment the pop was to do because as we said, we've seen this play before in another way, in various forms, and they're going to do this over and over and over again, it's like a cycle that repeats itself every three to four years.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You expect this to happen.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It will happen.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And this too also, and even though

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[SPEAKER_00]: then you can open up at any time scheduled between now and eight o'clock tomorrow morning.

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[SPEAKER_01]: If you read the recap of it and didn't see it, I'm not sure you'd be anything like, oh, cool.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe I'll see something like that up to social media.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We run forward mentioned, if you have a title, you shouldn't be in the C2 in my opinion, I'd rather see champion defending their titles, instead of competing for another title.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Given there are, as mentioned before, nine single titles, nine, nine single titles.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Perhaps those nine champions should not be in the C2, I sound logic.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe they can have another tournament for that, where they could do the national continental tournament.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I really get to face the work of Shay in the minute and do like four people and do a four per experiment.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They don't have the balls for that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Uh, there was one thing that I forgot to mention about the promo between Kyle and Ocata and Takeshita.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I have it in my notes and I really need to mention this.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The one in the night on that promo will go caught out for Takeshi after Flutter walked off.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, kind of said, look what you did to Kyle.

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[SPEAKER_01]: This is all your fault.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's so great.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Slime.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He's so great.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He is.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's just slime.

57:10.467 --> 57:11.448
[SPEAKER_00]: He's just slime.

57:11.729 --> 57:14.333
[SPEAKER_00]: Ikki, slimey man, but I love him.

57:15.106 --> 57:16.892
[SPEAKER_01]: We got the last two matches of our night.

57:16.952 --> 57:19.319
[SPEAKER_01]: We're on a brisk pace to finish the show, Kila.

57:19.821 --> 57:26.061
[SPEAKER_01]: AEW Women's World Time Match with Chris Dattlander defeating Mercedes Monet.

57:27.020 --> 57:55.609
[SPEAKER_01]: This match was very, very good that was marred by the fact that the audience was tired, the viewing audience was also tired, and there was some conventional wisdom that it didn't make much sense for Chris Stattlander to lose this title now, given that Mercedes just lost the time to match the totony and Chris, just beat Tony, so why would Chris lose to Mercedes

57:55.589 --> 57:56.991
[SPEAKER_01]: didn't make much sense to me.

57:57.111 --> 58:07.765
[SPEAKER_01]: So we kind of went into the story with Mercedes, damaging Chris's left hand or left arm to make it so that she wasn't able to hit a lot of her power moves.

58:08.266 --> 58:16.277
[SPEAKER_01]: Probably one of the key moments in the match was Mercedes hitting 14 German Suplexes, one for every title that she had.

58:16.918 --> 58:22.305
[SPEAKER_01]: But alas, the story that appears to be happening in

58:22.285 --> 58:30.692
[SPEAKER_01]: when Chris Dattlander managed to get the win over her, is that for all the titles that Mercedes Monet has, she can't win the big one.

58:32.275 --> 58:47.930
[SPEAKER_00]: that is a story and I think that is the proper story of trying to figure out how do we unbelt Mercedes to get to the championship she actually covet in months and how do we do that in a way that keeps her edge as a character.

58:48.590 --> 59:01.843
[SPEAKER_00]: At the same time, you establish that as a champion that is a gentleman that is beaten, executive, paper views, Tony Storm, Mercedes Monet,

59:02.448 --> 59:04.030
[SPEAKER_00]: legit legitimize her run.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And that is how you do it.

59:05.711 --> 59:06.492
[SPEAKER_00]: That's how you do it.

59:06.572 --> 59:12.699
[SPEAKER_00]: You establish her as the champion, the standard that should be something that everybody should want to be.

59:13.079 --> 59:22.849
[SPEAKER_00]: And Amber Sadie says to reassess because she still has all these championships except the one that really matters most, which is the A, W, Women's World Championship.

59:23.210 --> 59:24.471
[SPEAKER_00]: How will she get that title?

59:25.052 --> 59:28.135
[SPEAKER_00]: Gotta take that fall from grace by unbelting her.

59:28.655 --> 59:34.167
[SPEAKER_00]: all the way down to zero to get the championship she actually wants.

59:36.512 --> 59:41.803
[SPEAKER_01]: We are bearing the lead a little bit here with Chris that winner retaining the title.

59:42.340 --> 59:48.989
[SPEAKER_01]: One of the things about Chris Statlin or winning it in the first place from Tony was that she wanted in a flash.

59:49.449 --> 59:57.259
[SPEAKER_01]: But then she had to retain against Tony and defend and retain and now she's defended and retained against Mercedes.

59:58.301 --> 01:00:11.638
[SPEAKER_01]: And everyone no matter who she faced in her title reign, they wouldn't look past Chris and tell she went against the two top women in the division.

01:00:12.462 --> 01:00:26.745
[SPEAKER_01]: It was always going to be, well, she hasn't faced Mercedes yet, or, you know, like, yeah, but now there is no, yeah, but she has cleanly pinned the people position as the top two women in the division.

01:00:27.467 --> 01:00:30.492
[SPEAKER_01]: So they need to sustain it.

01:00:30.752 --> 01:00:39.246
[SPEAKER_01]: It's not done, but in the eyes, the cement

01:00:39.547 --> 01:00:41.549
[SPEAKER_01]: tier of women in AEW.

01:00:42.210 --> 01:00:45.093
[SPEAKER_01]: And they've needed to do this with a few other people.

01:00:45.633 --> 01:00:55.583
[SPEAKER_01]: They've not quite pulled the trigger on Willow that way and they're getting close with Megan Bain who might end up being the one to defeat Chris that went or down the line.

01:00:57.024 --> 01:01:04.592
[SPEAKER_01]: But there's just something about what they're trying to do with Chris that went or that has a sense of intentionality that I just want to compliment them.

01:01:05.602 --> 01:01:21.720
[SPEAKER_00]: Absolutely, they deserve props on getting her over in this manner, but having her beat to the very best in the division two of the very best that have done it all this year one and two in the PWI 250 for the ladies so.

01:01:21.700 --> 01:01:24.624
[SPEAKER_00]: would to do that in a couple of months is very impressive.

01:01:24.644 --> 01:01:30.813
[SPEAKER_00]: And I do believe that stat has billiards and amized as a champion, a force in that division.

01:01:31.234 --> 01:01:34.759
[SPEAKER_00]: And I do see a lot of money in her versus Willow Nightingale at some point.

01:01:35.140 --> 01:01:35.720
[SPEAKER_00]: That's a few.

01:01:35.741 --> 01:01:37.743
[SPEAKER_00]: They really need to go too very soon.

01:01:37.763 --> 01:01:43.412
[SPEAKER_00]: And Megan Bane, I think it's also a viable option to be a champion as well.

01:01:43.572 --> 01:01:44.974
[SPEAKER_00]: And don't sleep on Marina.

01:01:44.954 --> 01:01:54.605
[SPEAKER_00]: I think that our time is coming to like it's been a slow build being the heavy and the body for the death Biter's she's getting over as a single's worker too.

01:01:54.705 --> 01:02:13.105
[SPEAKER_00]: So I think it's gonna be very interesting in 2026 to see who's gonna be at the top of this women's division and thinking about the Owen Hart Cup to Might excited about the possibilities for next year as to who's gonna be next in line to get over and be the next day W Women's World Champion

01:02:14.738 --> 01:02:17.522
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, uh, Lee Ron has a question here.

01:02:17.642 --> 01:02:22.750
[SPEAKER_01]: Who's next for Chris after being the top two women in the division, especially with the tag team tournament going on?

01:02:23.991 --> 01:02:27.276
[SPEAKER_01]: Uh, I think you could put Stecqua up against her.

01:02:27.496 --> 01:02:31.122
[SPEAKER_01]: I think you have a couple of like the sisters of sin.

01:02:31.142 --> 01:02:38.933
[SPEAKER_01]: Hmm, you could go with Megan Bane, but I'd hold off on that until after the new year and all of that one.

01:02:39.514 --> 01:02:43.159
[SPEAKER_01]: I think it's just one of those folks that, you know,

01:02:43.544 --> 01:02:48.498
[SPEAKER_01]: They came, they tried, they failed, and it may not really matter.

01:02:48.518 --> 01:02:57.604
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know, like, right now, Chris Downeyner just needs to look dominant against all challenges, but it's not time for her to lose that title.

01:02:57.685 --> 01:03:00.628
[SPEAKER_00]: night time soon to talk about.

01:03:00.648 --> 01:03:02.490
[SPEAKER_00]: It is just build up contenders.

01:03:02.751 --> 01:03:06.595
[SPEAKER_00]: I like Athena and a spot to Jamie hate her.

01:03:06.655 --> 01:03:07.977
[SPEAKER_00]: Not mad at that either.

01:03:07.997 --> 01:03:08.838
[SPEAKER_00]: So you have options.

01:03:08.898 --> 01:03:10.940
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, this division is deep.

01:03:11.361 --> 01:03:14.985
[SPEAKER_00]: You can go to the well and get some runners out there and she can knock them all down.

01:03:15.385 --> 01:03:18.329
[SPEAKER_00]: The question becomes who will be the one to dethrone her.

01:03:18.869 --> 01:03:21.332
[SPEAKER_00]: And I got Willow and Megan Bane in that in that race.

01:03:23.715 --> 01:03:23.815
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

01:03:23.835 --> 01:03:26.578
[SPEAKER_01]: All right, we're getting to the last match here, Kila.

01:03:27.098 --> 01:03:37.952
[SPEAKER_01]: We got a, the AW World title in the steel cage, Khmo Joe defeating a hangman at a page in 15 minutes.

01:03:38.911 --> 01:03:40.273
[SPEAKER_01]: Wasn't expecting this finish.

01:03:41.475 --> 01:03:44.841
[SPEAKER_01]: We started out with Joe confident in the ring.

01:03:45.221 --> 01:03:51.331
[SPEAKER_01]: Hangman coming out to a different music that some suspected red dead redemption related.

01:03:51.792 --> 01:03:55.498
[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe Pete, if you listen to this, we'll be able to confirm later on for us.

01:03:56.099 --> 01:04:04.092
[SPEAKER_01]: But Hangman came out, complete house of fire, proceeded to basically kick smoke, Jeff, just smoke Joe's butt.

01:04:04.072 --> 01:04:08.257
[SPEAKER_01]: for first few minutes, and then they both get color.

01:04:09.298 --> 01:04:30.282
[SPEAKER_01]: Eventually, about 10 minutes in, we get the ops coming out, Shibata, come out, and kind of does a little bit of harassment with the belt, then we have Wilharb who's but is not broken, coming out, and

01:04:30.262 --> 01:04:36.129
[SPEAKER_01]: bringing the belt into the ring so that some morshni and shmorshni get to get happen.

01:04:36.870 --> 01:04:53.029
[SPEAKER_01]: Between the melee with Joe and hangman page, the ref gets knocked out and hook come down to the ring theoretically to come in a sift hangman page and array awake referee Paul.

01:04:54.308 --> 01:05:03.714
[SPEAKER_01]: He then turns around and clobber, hangman page, and then Samo Jo gives him the muscle buster onto the belt for the pin.

01:05:03.774 --> 01:05:10.292
[SPEAKER_01]: Hook reveals himself to be a member of the Ops after all, and

01:05:10.846 --> 01:05:25.868
[SPEAKER_01]: Once hope took off the shirt and revealed that he was member of the office, I felt it was all over for hangman page because he can't do a turn like that and then not have it pay off with it being successful in some way, shape or form and

01:05:25.848 --> 01:05:26.949
[SPEAKER_01]: It all made sense.

01:05:27.270 --> 01:05:29.673
[SPEAKER_01]: Smo Joe is totally a viable challenger.

01:05:29.733 --> 01:05:34.038
[SPEAKER_01]: They did everything in their power to make hangman look strong.

01:05:34.980 --> 01:05:39.986
[SPEAKER_01]: But unfortunately, just get overwhelmed by all the forces against him.

01:05:41.228 --> 01:05:45.393
[SPEAKER_01]: That left Smo Joe to celebrate in the ring with his ops dojo.

01:05:45.954 --> 01:05:48.337
[SPEAKER_01]: And who should come back?

01:05:48.417 --> 01:05:55.686
[SPEAKER_01]: But Prince Nanna to, with directly into the camera and say, an out of time for the money,

01:05:55.801 --> 01:05:59.166
[SPEAKER_01]: in which the return of swore of strickland come back.

01:05:59.827 --> 01:06:01.530
[SPEAKER_01]: He comes down to the ring.

01:06:02.191 --> 01:06:09.943
[SPEAKER_01]: Joe assumes this worm is there to take take the scraps of hangman page, but swore of then attached to dojo.

01:06:10.363 --> 01:06:14.670
[SPEAKER_01]: Man, just to take out seven of eight of them all on his own.

01:06:14.650 --> 01:06:42.902
[SPEAKER_01]: With Hangman page, then taking out the last one and those two standing side by side, an image neither of us really expected even a year ago as they both stared down Smogio and we finished the show to angry men, one can't agree to each other, now angry together with an opposition in Uvison.

01:06:43.304 --> 01:06:46.142
[SPEAKER_00]: This was the dream tag team that I wanted.

01:06:46.797 --> 01:06:51.201
[SPEAKER_00]: Not in this way, just yet, not in this fashion, just yet.

01:06:51.221 --> 01:06:52.822
[SPEAKER_00]: But we're going to get it apparently.

01:06:52.862 --> 01:06:54.003
[SPEAKER_01]: They're geared into the curve.

01:06:54.564 --> 01:06:57.887
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, they wrote into the driveway officially.

01:06:58.007 --> 01:07:06.775
[SPEAKER_00]: So I'm like, OK, a part of me is excited about the possibility of them teaming together, you know, they apologize.

01:07:06.815 --> 01:07:10.438
[SPEAKER_00]: They've made a men's made peace with what they've done to each other.

01:07:10.458 --> 01:07:16.804
[SPEAKER_00]: They've shown growth through what they went through this time of year ago,

01:07:16.784 --> 01:07:45.778
[SPEAKER_00]: But I have to just point out hook and poor Eddie Kingston who put his trust and faith in someone that went back to the ops, less than three months later, and then didn't even have the decency to turn on the man beforehand.

01:07:46.855 --> 01:07:53.341
[SPEAKER_00]: Poor Eddie got just out there twisting in the wind, just just watching all this unfold.

01:07:53.902 --> 01:08:00.468
[SPEAKER_00]: Not even that the knife stab in his back just hooked, just goes out there and just proclaims I'm an up.

01:08:05.372 --> 01:08:06.874
[SPEAKER_00]: Kind of an hechromactic?

01:08:06.894 --> 01:08:07.374
[SPEAKER_00]: It is.

01:08:08.535 --> 01:08:10.457
[SPEAKER_00]: How do you do that in an amateur at first?

01:08:11.358 --> 01:08:12.539
[SPEAKER_00]: How do you do that?

01:08:12.619 --> 01:08:16.643
[SPEAKER_00]: And now you're an up.

01:08:17.922 --> 01:08:23.468
[SPEAKER_01]: So now you have Eddie, Hangman, Gwerve, and who else?

01:08:23.909 --> 01:08:26.451
[SPEAKER_01]: Because you need a fourth for that side.

01:08:27.893 --> 01:08:29.374
[SPEAKER_00]: Who is the fourth man?

01:08:29.414 --> 01:08:32.938
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to chuckle if it's M.J.F.

01:08:32.958 --> 01:08:33.739
[SPEAKER_00]: Have a hardy laugh.

01:08:33.759 --> 01:08:34.180
[SPEAKER_00]: No, what?

01:08:34.240 --> 01:08:43.710
[SPEAKER_00]: Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha

01:08:48.027 --> 01:08:48.709
[SPEAKER_01]: Don't figure it out.

01:08:49.171 --> 01:08:49.993
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

01:08:50.013 --> 01:08:53.424
[SPEAKER_01]: Clearly a detail that we will address later on.

01:08:53.444 --> 01:08:58.059
[SPEAKER_00]: They got to do the math and try to even the eyes because I, you know, right now like I'm kind of at a law.

01:08:58.099 --> 01:09:00.045
[SPEAKER_00]: So who can fit that spot?

01:09:00.278 --> 01:09:01.080
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.

01:09:01.480 --> 01:09:10.559
[SPEAKER_01]: It's amazing to me that Joe won the title and they just announced that they're like filming for the new season of Twisted Metal, so I'm like, oh, no, I'm just not going to win the title and he's got to go film.

01:09:11.260 --> 01:09:14.907
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, listen, they have to write the script for the third season, it's going to take some time.

01:09:14.947 --> 01:09:19.897
[SPEAKER_00]: So probably by the summer of 2026, it'll be off again to do that show.

01:09:20.058 --> 01:09:21.240
[SPEAKER_00]: So for now,

01:09:21.220 --> 01:09:21.842
[SPEAKER_00]: We're good.

01:09:21.902 --> 01:09:26.313
[SPEAKER_00]: He's going to be a champion for however long it's going to be out laughing.

01:09:26.373 --> 01:09:30.865
[SPEAKER_00]: He hosts a championship through revolution or where he drops it the last time.

01:09:30.905 --> 01:09:32.409
[SPEAKER_00]: Dinoset will see.

01:09:32.670 --> 01:09:33.191
[SPEAKER_00]: We'll see.

01:09:33.231 --> 01:09:34.033
[SPEAKER_00]: We'll see.

01:09:34.455 --> 01:09:36.580
[SPEAKER_00]: But to run this back again.

01:09:37.538 --> 01:09:39.000
[SPEAKER_00]: And it's just interesting.

01:09:39.260 --> 01:09:40.923
[SPEAKER_00]: It's just interesting how they went about this.

01:09:40.963 --> 01:09:49.554
[SPEAKER_00]: When Hangman was a very good champion, I don't get this star on social media about his reign was soft, it was boring.

01:09:49.955 --> 01:09:51.757
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, wait, or he was getting people over.

01:09:51.858 --> 01:09:52.539
[SPEAKER_00]: He's over.

01:09:53.059 --> 01:09:54.061
[SPEAKER_00]: So what's the problem?

01:09:55.763 --> 01:09:55.863
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

01:09:55.883 --> 01:09:58.086
[SPEAKER_01]: All right, that's match, worse match.

01:09:59.548 --> 01:10:06.077
[SPEAKER_00]: Best match of the night, FTR, and Brodito.

01:10:06.395 --> 01:10:07.337
[SPEAKER_01]: I agree with you.

01:10:07.837 --> 01:10:08.859
[SPEAKER_01]: Worst match of the night.

01:10:12.705 --> 01:10:13.747
[SPEAKER_00]: Do we count the pre show?

01:10:14.788 --> 01:10:15.369
[SPEAKER_00]: Not tonight.

01:10:15.449 --> 01:10:16.792
[SPEAKER_00]: We don't darn it.

01:10:17.152 --> 01:10:19.035
[SPEAKER_00]: Darn it because you know it's going to have some QTA.

01:10:19.095 --> 01:10:25.025
[SPEAKER_01]: You're going to you're going to you're going to try and and we will your way out of calling something on the main card.

01:10:25.926 --> 01:10:33.398
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, if I had to to go there and pick something that was not exactly appetizing.

01:10:40.162 --> 01:10:44.168
[SPEAKER_00]: bucks Alexander make a brass express.

01:10:44.188 --> 01:10:44.588
[SPEAKER_01]: You did it.

01:10:45.069 --> 01:10:45.870
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, went there.

01:10:46.190 --> 01:10:51.157
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I was going to go with the government match.

01:10:53.901 --> 01:11:00.090
[SPEAKER_00]: Had the pieces there, I wouldn't say it was worse match of the night, even though the championship means absolutely nothing to me.

01:11:01.171 --> 01:11:09.122
[SPEAKER_01]: The thing is, like, a lot of the

01:11:10.132 --> 01:11:14.778
[SPEAKER_01]: five week ago, TV on AEW, you couldn't predict this card.

01:11:15.239 --> 01:11:19.164
[SPEAKER_01]: If you were watching three week ago on AEW, you could not predict this card.

01:11:19.684 --> 01:11:25.672
[SPEAKER_01]: For the most part, even if you were watching last week, a lot of this card, you could not put together.

01:11:27.374 --> 01:11:37.928
[SPEAKER_01]: And the TV product and the paper of you product don't exist in Cepatica with each other.

01:11:38.903 --> 01:11:52.605
[SPEAKER_01]: If, like, the since van at the worst batch because it doesn't exist on the same planet as the TV product, you know, and just it wasn't off night for those guys, but I looked at that gauntlet match.

01:11:52.725 --> 01:11:55.109
[SPEAKER_01]: I was like, I don't even know what the match was happening.

01:11:56.131 --> 01:11:59.937
[SPEAKER_01]: And I do know why the million dollar title match was happening.

01:12:00.618 --> 01:12:01.840
[SPEAKER_01]: I just didn't care.

01:12:04.351 --> 01:12:05.334
[SPEAKER_00]: All valid points.

01:12:05.354 --> 01:12:09.404
[SPEAKER_00]: I think that the six-man tag was in a BTE universe.

01:12:10.527 --> 01:12:11.329
[SPEAKER_00]: All on its own.

01:12:12.111 --> 01:12:12.673
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

01:12:12.693 --> 01:12:19.170
[SPEAKER_01]: So we're going to be back for a world-to-end, and hopefully, uh...

01:12:20.045 --> 01:12:22.427
[SPEAKER_01]: Hopefully we can have a show for that one.

01:12:22.708 --> 01:12:24.069
[SPEAKER_01]: I might be going to Japan.

01:12:24.489 --> 01:12:30.775
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know, like I'm going to Japan, but I don't know how my schedule is going to be working out with that one.

01:12:31.336 --> 01:12:33.458
[SPEAKER_01]: But somebody will be doing that show if it's not me.

01:12:33.618 --> 01:12:35.160
[SPEAKER_01]: You might be back for that one who knows.

01:12:35.760 --> 01:12:36.821
[SPEAKER_01]: Gary might have you on there.

01:12:36.881 --> 01:12:49.073
[SPEAKER_01]: But before we go, I get an ideal little star rating game or we try and guess Dave most are star rating on three of the matches on this show.

01:12:49.053 --> 01:12:53.260
[SPEAKER_01]: We thought the FTR match was the best match on the show.

01:12:53.580 --> 01:12:57.646
[SPEAKER_01]: What do you think he's going to give that match for and three quarter stars?

01:12:59.369 --> 01:13:00.711
[SPEAKER_01]: Think he's going to give it five stars.

01:13:01.432 --> 01:13:01.753
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.

01:13:02.935 --> 01:13:08.463
[SPEAKER_01]: What about Chris that lander in Mercedes going to?

01:13:08.483 --> 01:13:09.405
[SPEAKER_01]: Four, even.

01:13:09.445 --> 01:13:11.829
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to go four and a quarter.

01:13:11.969 --> 01:13:14.533
[SPEAKER_01]: So we're tracking pretty good on that one.

01:13:15.374 --> 01:13:16.596
[SPEAKER_01]: And then

01:13:17.960 --> 01:13:22.707
[SPEAKER_01]: Josh Alexander the Youngbuck and Dorothy it's pressing Kenny Omega.

01:13:25.671 --> 01:13:27.453
[SPEAKER_00]: He's going to like the match more than us.

01:13:27.734 --> 01:13:32.521
[SPEAKER_00]: So he's going to probably give this four and a quarter stars.

01:13:33.202 --> 01:13:33.843
[SPEAKER_01]: I agree with you.

01:13:33.863 --> 01:13:36.306
[SPEAKER_01]: I think it's going to be a four and a quarter

01:13:38.378 --> 01:13:41.125
[SPEAKER_01]: Kila, I want to thank you so much for joining me tonight.

01:13:41.566 --> 01:13:46.158
[SPEAKER_01]: Your beat is usually the WWE show the rap.

01:13:46.820 --> 01:13:52.354
[SPEAKER_01]: You want to give listeners some context of where they can find you on with that show airs?

01:13:52.374 --> 01:13:53.417
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, you can find

01:13:53.397 --> 01:14:13.178
[SPEAKER_00]: And thus, every Tuesday going live after 11 o'clock PME's turn on the Viking Media Network YouTube channel myself and Scott Young, talk all things WWE, we are dark this week because of the holiday, but there will be a WWE post game live special recapping, Survivor Series War Games with myself and GG and all likelihood.

01:14:13.158 --> 01:14:23.249
[SPEAKER_00]: Next Saturday after the show ends, I can assure you it would not be at an ungodly hour because WWE would end their show before midnight.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That is my belief, that is my hope, and we're one with it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: love it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I also do a show speaking of strong dial which covers all day and age pan pro wrestling that airs every Thursday and live on YouTube at 530 PM Eastern.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Except this week because we're going to pre-tap our episode because we're not going live on Thanksgiving and that is justified for everyone involved.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So with that being said, Kila, I want to thank you again, you and I are going to get out of here and wish you and I wish you nothing but the best this upcoming week for the holidays among you and your loved ones and until then take care.