AEW Forbidden Door Post-Show: Ospreay's Injury, MJF/Hangman Chaos, Wardlow Returns! | AEW Post Game Live

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[SPEAKER_00]: Alright, we got started a little earlier than I realized here.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I was able to catch up on the show and we're an hour earlier, but you know what?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Because we are.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm hearing some background.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Give me one second background audio on the other computer.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Hang on one second.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh no!

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[SPEAKER_00]: Jared Garrett's take it ball while I'm figuring this out.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, Garrett's taking care of that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I am happy to tell you that I enjoyed this show and I'm looking forward to talking about it with Garrett.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He and I have not discussed anything about this show whatsoever.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He and I watched it separately.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He had to watch it on delay.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So he's popped on maybe like three minutes ago.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We did a little bit of a post game talk and what you're getting here is basically a Frank and honest discussion between

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[SPEAKER_01]: good old GG and I about four men door from one guy who had a new Japan podcast and another guy who talks about all the greater pro wrestling information.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And so this is going to be a wild ride everybody.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Sorry, just a little bit of an inside-fight game media here.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I have two computers and one of them is mostly a processing machine.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I was fiddling with that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And it went to sleep.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But somehow when we went live, I could still hear us going live on the other computer because it was locked in the stream.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So that's what happened.

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[SPEAKER_00]: All right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Let's talk about this show.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So forbidden door and I will admit when it came to the hype around the show, when it came to the build, it just seemed like it was something that they had to do rather than that they wanted to do or that they had a reason to do.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I think that affected my interest in the show.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know what also affected my interest if I'm being honest is this early start time because

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, I get it in some levels because obviously it's an international show.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, there is something about watching wrestling at four or five o'clock on a weekend day.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That is a, that is, you kind of, when it's wrestling day, you know, to get your stuff done early and then you're going to kind of end the night or end the weekend on a nice kind of hangout with the buddies.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I like that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: When the show, this two shows in a row, by the way, on the AW side, where it kind of takes up your entire day.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not a giant fan of that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I can't wait for them to get back to.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, who knows?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Who knows what's going to happen with all out?

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[SPEAKER_00]: We don't know yet.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But I don't like the midday stuff, especially on a Sunday.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's like Sunday is so much stuff to do.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So that kind of also was a little bit of an issue with me.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But I will say on the flip side, watching the show, even on a delay that I did, I didn't get to watch with you guys at Big Dave's house.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I really enjoyed it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I thought it was a very enjoyable show.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know if there was even anything that I super disliked though, I will say I was most disappointed in the Tony storm and Athena match.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And the opening match was a WWE moments over matches kind of kind of thing, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: The edge and Christian thing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, but other, you know, and I enjoyed that because I like seeing those guys together.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm trying to think of anything that I disliked on this show.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And, uh, you know, as far as the matches are concerned, we'll talk, we'll actually get to the the biggest news coming out of this show or the biggest angle coming out of this show in a second.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But was there anything that you watch and you were like, eh, this wasn't great, like I didn't like this.

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[SPEAKER_01]: No, in fact, one of the questions he asked me before is, should this have been on Dynamite or something like that?

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I honestly saw that there was nothing, like in all kind of felt like a paper view match or a moment or there wasn't a question.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And even like the zero out or matches were all really good.

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[SPEAKER_01]: This is a very by the numbers high level AEW paperview.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Didn't try to be cute.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It didn't try and like out there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There were some cute things.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They were cute.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But like on the whole.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like it felt like a very like straightforward.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We're not trying to like throw a crazy angle at you.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like most of the matches had a clean finish, a clear winner.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We're moving on to the next thing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's just, we had that main event.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The main event was fantastic, but there was stuff about that post match that kind of had me scratching my head.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, we'll get to that in a second.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Was there anything from the New Japan perspective?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Because I know going into the show, you were not super duper happy with the booking of the New Japan side, especially the post G one.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know that they kept it light.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There were a I didn't watch pre-show.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I saw even less.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm sure of the huge pants stuff, but what what what did you think we got to see Walker make his AEW debut?

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[SPEAKER_00]: I thought it was awesome.

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[SPEAKER_00]: What will the new Japan stuff?

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[SPEAKER_01]: only two new Japan guys one, but they were the right two guys in a lot of ways.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Uh, you, we were a got a pen and that's Amber Jr.

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[SPEAKER_01]: There.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I WGP champion.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Uh, got a pen.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So for context, I have a news event podcast, speaking of strong style.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And so for the last five weeks, I have been next deep in talking about the G-One, the ramifications of who won, who lost and all this stuff.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So in an aspect, it was really frustrating to watch this paper view be build as a cross-promoted AEW NJPW

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[SPEAKER_01]: paper view, and feel like there was not a whole lot of planning and synergy for a lot of the editing, including Takeshina, who did not have a match, and didn't come out.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He did, but it felt like it was a mixed opportunity.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So once I divorced myself from the fact that it just wasn't going to be that kind of New Japan show, and that it was an AEW show with New Japan guest stars,

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[SPEAKER_00]: It was.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, everyone friends to me.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So Japan.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You showed with like the week we guest star that was coming in for the special guest spot and then want one CMLL person one startup person.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then back to our regularly scheduled programming next week.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And so I had a great time for the party aspect of that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And there wasn't, wasn't a whole lot of two college sequential stuff going on with all that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But the singles match with the New Japan talent, the sweatshirt match, the Zat Saber Junior match, Walker Stewart calling those matches.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They were tremendous, man.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I had a great time with those matches.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, Walker was awesome.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There was a moment where, and we'll talk about the match, a little bit down the line.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Zack's every junior and Nigel McGinnis, and Walker set up, Brandon Wilson, so perfectly by saying, you saw the Nigel in Johnny St.

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[SPEAKER_00]: video, they're playing chess.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Zach Saber Jr's more like a jazz musician talk about that Brian and Danielson just went off about riffing and Zach Saber Jr's just in the flow and I was like this is what your lead announcer is for your lead announcer is to set up your color commentator to hit home runs and when you had Brian Danielson on this show and you had um uh X caliber on this show it immediately

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[SPEAKER_00]: It immediately added that sense of like, okay, like we're actually going to have some real stuff going.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We still had Shivani and he drove me nuts like usual.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We had a little bit of Jim Ross, and I think Jim Ross is only faux pas was calling Brian Danielson by the first name of Dan during the show.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then Don Callos, which some people didn't like, but I like the heel version of Don Callos, because I think he's a really good speaker.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So

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[SPEAKER_00]: to a Brad actually Brad has some news that he shared in the chat archive Brad he said Tony Khan said that all contracts from here on out have to be executed with at least one week's notice no more caching in whenever you want hey set the president let's make sure

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[SPEAKER_01]: What happened there was that Tony actually at the scrum asked for feedback and interaction from the people there at the scrum about how they felt about MJF executing the contract the way that they did.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So it went a little live action with with the crowd there, the things that you don't really like with with what Tony condoms there.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But the end result is something that really would be a lot more.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Makes a whole lot more sense than what we're talking with.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, create your own thing, like make it a precedent, like write your own rules.

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[SPEAKER_00]: WWE has theirs and you have yours.

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[SPEAKER_00]: John Laroca mentioned that about the four-way was what he thought was not good.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We'll talk about that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He thought it would be better if it was Mercedes and Windsor.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Probably a better match though.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I actually liked the other two women.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I thought the other two women stood out and I'll talk about what I got out of that match when we get there.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I would have liked to see a Mercedes version of that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That was my takeaway from that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It wouldn't have been a great match, but just the different style.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Because part of the thing that I liked about this show

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[SPEAKER_00]: There were two matches that stood out to me as like different from the rest.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And it was Kyle Fletcher and Hiromu.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That was like very well-paced.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It was just one on one.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then we had the Zack Saber Junior and Nigel McGinnis more grappling, more wrestling.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And those stood out in good ways because they were different from some of the other car crashes that style that happened.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know what to say about O'Connor, but what we'll get there when we get there as far as what you thought, because they're trying to put this dude over is the best big match wrestler of all time, and I'm like, best big match wrestler of all time, and he's sitting here right in the middle of the show.

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[SPEAKER_00]: By the way, shout out to Fernando, Lady B. Obviously, John's here.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Both John's are here.

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[SPEAKER_00]: John Quinn as well and Brad.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Thanks.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Good to see you guys in the chat.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Let's talk about the angle to end the show now.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The main event was the lights out tag match and it was chaos as you would expect.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I thought the camera work in this match was better than usual when it comes to these crazy matches that AEW has.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I thought that helped my viewing experience.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I didn't miss much from what I could tell they they got just about everything that they wanted to get and I thought that was a plus and I can't imagine that this was an easy match to shoot because of everything going on like let's you we can kind of compare it to anarchy in their the arena where sometimes they'd have to go to like a four box to get all the things that are going on in the match

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I just thought the camera work was excellent, zipping through, zipping to the right stuff.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It felt like

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[SPEAKER_00]: the producer of the match and the guy in truck, they were in sync, they were simpateco, they knew what was coming.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I really enjoyed the match, my main problem with the actual match, and this is a problem with all of these matches, war games, hell in the cell, is when you have all of these folks in the cage,

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[SPEAKER_00]: the what what you lean on is the action and what you kind of what you don't get to see is like I want to win this match.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The pinfalls are set up so that you can get these.

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[SPEAKER_00]: kickouts like where someone jumps into the camera.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like the kickouts aren't really there for any other reason than to trick the fans in a sense.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So you didn't see any real strategy in like, oh, if I cover this guy, I got to be in the look at and keep this guy out of the ring.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like the pinfalls are just there to create to help with the chaos.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So that is the one flaw in this match to me as a fan.

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[SPEAKER_00]: However, on the other side of that,

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[SPEAKER_00]: It was just well done.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They had the right people in the match for the action stuff for the sequences.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I could see people thinking that it was a little indulgent or overbooked or whatever.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You had the Darby spot with Gabe Kid at the end and then many Darby spots actually.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And that one of these Darby spots was him getting up the cage in like two steps.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He was so quick up the cage, which then kind of ruined it for me at the end when we talk about the thing we're going to talk about right now.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Anyways, you know, they hit the hit and blade, one week an angel finisher, Tonahashi,

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[SPEAKER_00]: took about five years to get to the top row.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, he got to pin to that great and he hit the high five flow high fly flow for the the wind today allowed the old man to get the victory and and then they're about to go off air they kind of pulled the WWE here where they play the credits it's about to go to black and then you had

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[SPEAKER_00]: you had uh uh uh the mockery got gargana mockery attacked him and how many DDT's that he hit this dude with just like so many yeah um and so then you had this thing where they locked the cage and so you know this is like an old school wrestling thing right one of the some of the more famous angles and and wrestling history has to do with being

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[SPEAKER_00]: The cage keeps people out.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You locked the door people can get in.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The flaw in this match is that we just saw five minutes before.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Darby and Moxley getting over the cage with very little hesitation was not hard for them to get over the cage at all.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So they climb out.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Darby goes to the get goes from the outside and he's going to get back to the top of the cage so that he can jump but then they move moxie out of the way.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It takes him like two steps.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Two steps and he's up that thing so fast.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So now when you have Osprey locked in the middle of the cage, he's just getting his ass beat.

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[SPEAKER_00]: No baby faces can get it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's the whole flaw on this thing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And, oh, yeah, and John said, Marina, Marina did.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Marina came from the opposite side.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The idea was that the heels had candlesticks and they were slapping the cage as if they're flaking in defense.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, as if that was, you know, this, this crazy thing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You couldn't get grip on the, on the fencing enough to climb after that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So that's the flaw in this angle.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But when you do an angle like this, like the fans understand, like we've seen people climb to the top of the hell in the cell.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And Mick Foley in the famous hell in the cell match said how he's like, I didn't know if I was going to be able to get up, but he's still got up.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Undertaker, who was fifty years old, goes up the cage.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So that is the flaw.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Now the other flaw, which I think I think what you're going to say is,

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[SPEAKER_00]: You have this fantastic Will Osprey video to kick off this match, which I thought was the best thing on the whole show.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then, at the end, your hero, the hero of the entire weekend of the entire night of the show.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He gets demolished in front of that live crowd.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And one of our friends in the discord atoms, I forgot what his quote was something like, what a weird way to end or something like that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And he was there alive.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So talk about the hero getting killed at the end of the show.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It all felt inevitable, like you're watching the match and you're like, okay, exactly what's going to happen to this guy that you're going to necessitate, you know, giving somebody the rub or whatever or, you know, just, and it's either going to be Gabe kid or maltfully, and it should have been malt clean it was, but

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[SPEAKER_01]: he was the guy in this entire paper view of built to rent.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And to basically give everyone this blowway show, but know at the very end that you're just gonna roll out to better turn to the home crowd, rip their heart out.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And absolutely just have them all go home and try and rationalize like, well, yeah, he's really injured.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So he's gonna have to go away for a bit.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I get why they did that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But either,

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It felt a little too manufactured because I'm of this mind that if they really wanted to go absolutely hard with this, Alan Gwinder has to come out.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like you have to, you have to sell this as she was the, she was the voice in the pre show video, by the way.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And they are, they are together in a couple.

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[SPEAKER_01]: If you're not aware of this, watching it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So if you're not gonna do that, you're really not trying to sell that they're like lifting the veil and a reality to this.

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[SPEAKER_01]: If you're not going to do that, then in a couple of like, why are you doing this at all except for like shock value?

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[SPEAKER_01]: You feel like an obligation to do this.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Everyone knows Osprey's hurt.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Everyone knows that Osprey hates monsters.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like this is the extra punch to the dick kind of thing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We're like, you, you could do this, but now you're coming back in December and you're, you just killed your hometown guy.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You, you better have a plan.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It is all I'm saying with this because, you know, right now you're down off spray, you're down slurf.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Omega's not around all that much.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Your top baby face is hanging.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They're not a whole lot of other guys that are like, and Darby.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So you just got to be very conservative of what your plan is going forward because your, your ranks are thinning.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I think

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[SPEAKER_00]: One of two things about this.

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[SPEAKER_00]: One, Oscar is not that hurt.

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[SPEAKER_00]: No, okay, I think he's hurt, but maybe he's not next surgery hurt.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And maybe he is going, maybe this is an actual pro wrestling angle where they leaned into the realism to sell the paper view.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We've seen that a lot, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: This whatever this carrying cross bullshit is and to me it's absolute bullshit.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not interested.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's actually makes me less interested in carrying cross because he's a mid-carter who we're supposed to care about in this scenario.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And this has nothing to do with the man, this is all about wrestling, just the wrestling angle.

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[SPEAKER_00]: No, I have nothing against the human being who plays carrying cross.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They did it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They tried to do with our truth, which was actually real, then they brought him back and then Triple H tried to play up the, oh, you know, maybe it wasn't real, but Triple H is full of shit, too.

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[SPEAKER_00]: that the problem with this will aspiry thing is we've seen a lot of like and you know we have the hurts and to get stuff right we have the comments about how they're unwilling to lose so there's a lot of sort of reality versus like what's real what's fake going on and wrestling today and the company seemed to be leaning into it a little bit

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[SPEAKER_00]: I could see this being a little bit more like that because they needed a hook to sell the pay per view.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That is actually what I hope it is because the flip side is Will Ospreys out for eighteen months because they need to next surgery and that's not great either.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So my hope is that it's wrestling angle heavy and maybe he just needs rest and he can be out for three months and then he can figure out what to do.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But if this is actually the student needs surgery,

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[SPEAKER_00]: That was a hell of a way to go out.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know if I would have done it on this show, or if I would have done it on TV.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I may have done it on TV instead of at the end of this show.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The injury angle?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think that would have done the play.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, I would, yeah, I had a train to talk here, but I just lost it up for a second.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The, the whole idea to me was just

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[SPEAKER_01]: the beginning of the match right like the video and then he comes out and all the baby faces are giving him a hug like like Kenny Omega and Abushi and you know you've got to go on the war like there have been rental kingdom matches between some of these guys and so like though you see and to play it up so

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, it just had so much weight to it in the beginning that they were really trying to sell you that he was going away.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, no matter what the outcome of this match was, the student was going to go away.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So if you wanted to do one more like victory lap on Dynamite, you could have done that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: If like the compelled nature to do this here at the very end of the show, that might have been the thing that was just like,

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[SPEAKER_01]: one thing like, I'm trying to think of the word here, indulgent.

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[SPEAKER_01]: One thing a bit to indulgent in the entire show that you did not need to do.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I know that you want to have that memory and we were talking about it when we were watching the paper view, but if you do the whole, but he is able to come back and you do the three month program of Triple H style build and then you bring him back, he'll come back as the biggest star in the company.

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[SPEAKER_01]: and who'll come back is the conquering hero and he could come back better than ever to the crowd and just a question of whether physically he's going to come back better than ever.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I would prefer running this angle on the television shows.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You're just going to get more people to watch television show.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And the other thing is, and maybe they will prove me wrong.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But one of the things that A.W.

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[SPEAKER_00]: is not good about is hammering home their big angles.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They may run.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm sure they'll run a video package to start the show.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Do you think that Tony Con should be in the middle of the ring doing like a in line in a kind of heinous act like the death writer is about suspended.

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[SPEAKER_00]: No, I don't think you need to do that because this is the same guy who's putting this match together and fine with having the match like this.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I would just

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[SPEAKER_00]: make sure that they mention it like three or four five times and maybe that's when we get the outs wins or interview right yeah and she because they don't really lean into the idea that they're a couple like I'm sure they've mentioned it but it's not like they come out together the that was the first time on that video where we really saw them I mean they're a winking a nod with her nickname being iron will right

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[SPEAKER_00]: Sure.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, but it's not it's not like even like even Becky and Seth like they they're not together in storyline, but they hit it harder.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They themselves hit that that's left harder.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I would I think I think you can make it compelling.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You could have done it on Dynamite because this is a kickoff of the twenty three hundred arena shows I believe.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You could have kicked off this run of shows with something very important, more people watch it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then you send the fans in London home without being sad, I guess.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I have a question for you.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe they didn't want Will to fly out, just to fly back one more time for the injury.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So they wanted to do it here.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Wouldn't have been better to end the pay for view and then make that like an internet angle afterwards.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, you could have done that or this, they also do this thing where after their paper views are over, they will shoot stuff on the show for dynamite.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's probably not as live like, like, yeah, Brad basically saying the same thing, would it, would he make it to the next dynamite based on it?

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[SPEAKER_00]: If he's hurt, if he's really hurt,

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[SPEAKER_00]: because this brother did a freaking moon salt on the floor.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He landed straight on his feet from doing a to pay and it's like you're playing a fire brother.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So like that that's where I kind of scratched my head a little bit about he's so he needs next surgery like today and then he's doing just crazy stuff and look

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's fantastic, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's an amazing athlete.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's a compelling character.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's believable in that aspect of that he has hurt.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I think whatever he's going to do, whether he gets surgery or whether this is just a little bit of a time off, I think it's going to work well for him, his character.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Now, I'm just as just why I'm hopeful.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's not next surgery because that's actually a physical thing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And he is going to have to change his style if he does go through with it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But anyways, more so if he's not having the surgery like immediately or if this is a bit of like a let's wait and see if he needs surgery, he needs to come to dynamite on TV to do that because he's like the biggest star in that match.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Now to do it here, well, I kind of lean the same way as you, which is like a

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[SPEAKER_00]: We have this really great match.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And of course, we need heat.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We need heat for everything heat, heat rules the world.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And that's how we in the show.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So anyways, I don't want to belabor that, but it is the most important thing to come out of this show.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I wanted to lead with that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The only thing that I would probably say, whatever MRA and MRI and other.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, and exploratory things that they did to see what damage they were going to do.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They're still going to have to do another one after the spec.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So, so they're right back to square one and whatever damage there is it's incurred now not.

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[SPEAKER_01]: If it wasn't like you got out of this, it skates.

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[SPEAKER_00]: All right, let's hit some of the other highlights or the newsworthy things, and we'll go through the matches.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Hangman holds on.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Day overbook this thing, but I understand why.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I didn't expect Hangman to just have a, eighteen minute match and go clean with the, you know, with this close line.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But just over at some over the top, Bryce Remberg Hall of Fame stuff, man.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I liked that they brought out Mark Brisco for about fifteen seconds just to call back to Bryce screwing him in that match on on dynamite and he was about to screw hangman and then he passes out this is Shakespearean stuff from Bryce Remesburg and then he wakes up

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[SPEAKER_00]: And somehow, MJF as brilliant as he is as not knocked hangman's foot off the bottom rope.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So Bryce sat right as he's trying to do it, Bryce sees it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And he's like, no, he had the foot on the bottom rope.

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[SPEAKER_00]: This match must continue like just that's, you know, that's the eye rolling stuff for me, but I get it because it's, you know, MJF's one of their top stars.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They don't want to beat the student clean.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I still think Hangman's got it, man.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like the problem.

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[SPEAKER_00]: is that when you have a match with MJF, you want to get hangman over.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He beats this brother clean and solid and just looks like a million bucks and an MJF is the daster to the heel and everything that MJF tried to do just hang men just had to answer for it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And that, you know, I think they tried to do it as good as they could, but, you know, just the bright stuff would have to be there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But I do wonder now as we head to all out, are they just gonna run this match back?

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think so.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I think that's the smartest thing you can do is run this match back, especially going up against Cena and Lesnar.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so I did not want them to run it back, but they're really weren't a whole lot of options of someone else that you could put in that position.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You could put the cash done in that position as you guys challenging.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Hangman, since he just won the G one and that would have been a good way to do it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That would have been my choice if they weren't going against Brock and Cena.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm sure they have other plans for Takeshita, so that is what it is.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The brilliant of watching this match with one Dave Melker, is he watched that quasi-finish with MJF and Hangman.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And he said, oh, MJF has been studying his matches.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That straight from Bobby Lee and Elcanto in Mexico.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's a super famous match.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm just like, cool man.

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[SPEAKER_01]: How many people are going to identify that?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Everybody you like he knew that M.J.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I've been doing his studies.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Hey, Dave may be sending him the matches to study for all we know.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Exactly.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I'm just going to narrow Mike.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, that's content to this whole thing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And so.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It would have been nice for for I guess I guess you don't really want to even reference like what the like what the influences because the fans aren't going to really understand that that context.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like if somebody is like able to like pull Bobby Lee reference because they know it in the commentary that stuff's one thing, but that could deep cut that no one expected to do.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, I get running this back again, uh, a match against Gina and Leicester.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It makes all the sense in the world.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The other thing that I really, really like about this is that if you remember the original run with Hangman Adam page, mm-hmm.

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[SPEAKER_01]: His title defenses right out the gate were with Lance Archer and Adam Cole and they were at the top guys doing top business and those kind of matches.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He didn't feel like the star of the show.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And now you have Hangman against MJS, which is he's the top guy.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, let me say that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You say that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: What was the main event of this show?

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[SPEAKER_01]: It was, uh, the lights out.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It was a party match, but right, but I know I get what you're saying, but it's a world title for you.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But if somebody was to argue,

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[SPEAKER_00]: what you just said, they would point that he didn't even mean event this show.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm not saying he shouldn't.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, and I believe that'll probably mean event the next show and they'll run it back with that closing the show.

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[SPEAKER_01]: My whole point is that there is a clear difference between being positioned in a world title feud against the guy like MJF, then being positioned against the way of torture right out the gate in your initial title.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's I agree.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I agree.

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[SPEAKER_00]: MJF may have to lose two times could be a problem because if we thought this match was overbooked and I agree with Brad by the way, Brad said there's a bit overbooked, but I enjoyed it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It worked really well and had some suspense.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know about this necessarily the suspense piece for me because I just never expected MJF to win, but

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[SPEAKER_00]: MJ is awesome.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like he's really, really good wrestler.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And Hangman is kind of the guy right now.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I was completely fine with it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm looking forward to seeing what they have for the next time.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But if MJF was un, you know, if we needed all of the Gaga at the end for this one, what's going to happen next time?

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's kind of my thing about it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But I think it's the right match for sure.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The other thing that was in the back of my mind when I was watching this paper view is there were a number of singles matches that was technically the first title defense for these guys.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Okada was the first title to send to the unified title.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Hangman was his first title to send on a paper view.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It was that same Virginia first title to send to the IWGP and with Kyle Fletcher for his title to send

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[SPEAKER_01]: So there was the sense that like, each one of these guys kind of had to win their first title defense.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So the element, if you kept that in the back of your head, you kind of had to extend the drama of will there won't they retain knowing that in the back of your head.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Also, a couple of other things, Wardlow of all people is back.

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[SPEAKER_00]: he came out during the end of uh... okada and swirf swirf had a knee trapped and uh... or they came out and thrown on referees uh... who did he beat up uh...

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[SPEAKER_01]: Uh, I think he'd be a Paul Turner in a couple of seconds.

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[SPEAKER_00]: No, who is that Swarves manager?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, uh, Nana.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Prince Nana, he'd be that Prince Nana.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I know, Nana came out with a machete in first and then realized with a pipe.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think I could get out of that way, Mark.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So where the joins the Don call his family.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They're up to like eight members now or something.

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[SPEAKER_00]: No, no, no.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I have about twenty five members.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They're twenty five members.

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[SPEAKER_01]: There are so many members.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They're like at least a dozen at twelve.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, you know, what was interesting.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So obviously, Wardle comes off of the American Gladiators show hosted by the Miz.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I would have thought that coming out of the American Gladiators, he would have maybe been in the best shape that we've ever seen them.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He didn't look, I mean, he was jacked, but he didn't look as good as we've ever seen him.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I don't know what that mean.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know if it means anything, but I thought that was interesting.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I liked the use of him.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, him being a heavy heel that is protected from doing job is probably the best role for him.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They should actually protect him from wrestling.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean, he could be Calus is personal bodyguard.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, he should be the heater and you, I mean, that was his original role anyway, but the Calus, you know, the Bobby Davis, Bobby, he and his family now is the Calus family.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, this is all the bottle for it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And what we got to catch it up, Ocada, Fletcher, Rocky, Lance, Trent Baretta, Hatchesero,

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[SPEAKER_01]: You can throw the young bucks in there because they're affiliated with time to time.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So if they were affiliated with him and they wouldn't be coming out to umbop.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But there's a lot going on.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They're just they're acting at it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Where's Brian Cage.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He's in there, but he's, you know, he's one leg down.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Brian Cage.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Wardlow in Lance Archer in the same team seems like essentially the same three guys, you know, casual wrestle a little bit more, but they seem like the like, okay, we have three big dudes.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Why do we need three?

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[SPEAKER_00]: We only really need one.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, I'm trying to run out for some of the other guys, and they're just kind of pivoting.

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[SPEAKER_00]: By the way,

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[SPEAKER_00]: the umbop thing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I love that so much because Tony Khan paid for the rights of umbop by Hanson, but I'm so sick of

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[SPEAKER_00]: this young book stuff when it comes to the EVP and not EVP.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But they don't like, they look fantastic.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like nothing has changed about their wrestling.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's not like they're depressed.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They keep kicking everyone's ass.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Though I guess did Matt and did Matt take the pin in this in this one?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, he did.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So just back to the young West for a second, we can move on.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So they renamed the trigger back to the BTE trigger, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: So that was from, I guess being the elite was back.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know if it's back permanently with them.

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[SPEAKER_01]: No, they did a two minute bit to officially rename it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And at twenty three thousand views with in a couple hours.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I saw it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, kind of surprised that they had like revived the channel just for that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And like, hey, good for you.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And it gave them a gauge exactly how much engagement they have right now.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Can I actually give them a little bit of credit though?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Hmm.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't want it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, so first I want to give them to merits for the gummy bears thing in such a in such a serious like crazy match like they wanted to bring out thumbtacks.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They emptied the thumbtacks bag.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It was gummy bears.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They did two spots with the gummy bears.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I thought it was going to be gummy bears city for the rest of the match.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It was not.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So they were able to withhold that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But I think a Nick took a fake, took a face bump into the gummy bears and sold it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then Kenny Omega emptied some gummy bears into Matt's mouth, I think.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then he got kicked by Obushi and spit them out.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And that was it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So they're like, there was an up, I'm sure.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They want it to do like so many more things with the gummy bears and they stop themselves.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I will give them credit for that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I also give.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I also give them demerits for that even happening because I'm so sick of the of the young bucks thing with the EVP.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I will okay.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I was really hoping that this pay per view is going to be like, okay, we're back to Jeff being members of the roster.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We're going to have an entrance.

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[SPEAKER_01]: If the pay per view paid for it, we're going to do it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And they continue to with it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I will admit last night on collision.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I really didn't enjoy when they got called Ron and Todd as if the Flanger is from.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like that one, that one got me, but I'd also just like want to kind of see it wrap up.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, to me, I'm like these dudes should be baby faces and Tony Khan is the heel for fucking with them for so much.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like that's what it feels like to me.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I'm watching them and I feel bad for them.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They're constantly in the job or locker rooms.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They're trying to really sell that they don't have their own locker room and they have to get dressed with the job or go the time.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm not sure everyone's kind of picked up on that, but there are little cues about like the disrespecting.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I think the ideas, they disrespected everybody else for so much that they're getting what they deserve.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But at some point, unless they're going to turn it around and be even more hewish, or they're going to have a redemption story, we need to move on.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, maybe this is it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't imagine it's it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Because it actually does give them something to do, but we'll pay for a few cycles.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So like you did this happened at all, and we're out for Ben door.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We're going to all out.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Let's move the story.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, I would hope so.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And and look, that they should be.

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[SPEAKER_00]: in one of these tag team feuds, but they're in this bigger storyline with the death writers and if they're a part of that or whatever.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So, but it doesn't feel like they are a main.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It says, I feel like they have a main spot.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It feels like they're bouncing in the middle and I'd rather just pick aside with them because

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[SPEAKER_00]: you know, let's let's redo the tag team division.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There's some momentum here with FTR and Bro Dito and Edgen Christian are back and whatever happens with the Hertz and to get we'll see what happens there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But it feels like there's a little bit momentum, like let's bring one of the best teams back into that division.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I would hope that they move there, but I guess we'll have to.

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[SPEAKER_01]: There's a plug-in place to our right now and I'm not a hundred percent sure, but did the buck loose to Bro Dito?

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[SPEAKER_01]: So they're the last team that's going to get a title shot.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I can't throw Tito by that watch.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, they just need to win a big match, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: They have to do, but that should be the story is like their redemption arc.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And you can fit them in like the dream match really is at some point real soon, maybe full gear, two paper views for now, or three if they're a dynasty one and October, but it should be

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[SPEAKER_01]: Copeland and Christian versus FTR versus the young bucks in like a dream like three way tag and how you get there is entirely up to you, but these are, I'd rather than I just rather do separate ones.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'd rather do.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'd rather have that in Christian do the match with FTR and then do the match with the.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I want to say all those things, but they have to start setting the table.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They're not doing that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like I said, they're plug and play superstars and all these bigger angles, but they are, they're one hundred percent have a fixed viable star tag team in the division right now and they could hit the ground running if they choose.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So brodito did win this turned out to not be in elimination match at the end of the day after it wasn't an elimination match and then the graphics said it wasn't an elimination match and then it turns out it was not an elimination match.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Bro Dito wins by pinning FTR.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I thought the finish that they had planned was a pretty darn good one and then they screwed it up and it kind of sucked at the end.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But they got the hurts into can out of there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Thanks to Ricochet and Gates of agony who were dressed in New Japan track gear.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Young line gear.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so no MVP on the show.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Do you know what they were dressed as?

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[SPEAKER_01]: They were dressed from the gear that they got from going to the World Tag League.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Russell Kingdom last year.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So they used that as cover.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I just realized this just now.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, you know, you know, I thought, okay, you know what I thought.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I was like, oh, these are little guys from the Japan Young Lions.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I spent about thirty seconds thinking who couldn't possibly be that anyone would care about.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I realized there wasn't anybody.

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[SPEAKER_01]: There was no way that they were going to take those new guys, you guys, and Oscar, also they didn't look that size and put them in this position.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I thought maybe it kind of been the bulk of guys from earlier, but that didn't make any sense.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then when I realized, or I think one of the job I've realized it was Ricochet and the Gates, and I was like, oh, yeah, that makes sense.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, the only one who's actually big enough on that roster to look the size of someone needed to take out Bobby Lashley,

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[SPEAKER_00]: is Billy gun.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's like the only one.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He's a large part because he's like six four six five and just only within like ten years of Bobby last week too.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Um so.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Obviously no MVP.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Hertz and a kid did not do the job on on the way out.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They got pushed.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They got ran to the back and we're not involved in the finish.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I thought the the chair shot onto Brody was well done because I thought that I was like, oh, that's a great finish.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Nope, kick out.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then they went to the other thing with with Brody to and their their new move, which is awesome.

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[SPEAKER_00]: If you can pull it off, but they did not pull it off.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So then it sucked and I thought it was like,

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[SPEAKER_00]: It was I was really bummed when when they screwed up the finish because they did so much just to get there and then they flubbed it at the end.

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[SPEAKER_01]: There was like it started with the monkey flip and it was a little off and then what cash missed the pin the first time and then they restarted the pin and it was just like you should have just done it the first time.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It was like

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm actually fine.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, so so Dave and I both said, you know what, adding the third team to this match will actually make it a better match.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to take it back.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think it added to make it a better match.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think it, it, it created.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It wasn't different from the four way with everyone involved, which we'll get to and the tag match with everyone involved.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It just was everyone involved and as we know, whenever you add a third team or a third person, it just becomes no disqualification.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So you had that car.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That was a big part of it for me.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It was completely unclear when the match started, even beyond the elimination, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Everybody was involved in the match.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then all of a sudden, one team was tagging, but everyone else was still in there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then the referee told, didn't the referee tell one of the FTR guys to get back to his corner or something like that?

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[SPEAKER_01]: So, but it took about five minutes for even the announced team to clarify what the point, what the rules of this match.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And it felt like even the guy in the match didn't know what the

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[SPEAKER_00]: We have too many multi-person matches.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There's just so much of it and we don't need so much of it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's a cheat code for action.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I get that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's a cheat code for interfering with pins.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I get that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, let's just make the match better.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Why do we have to add a lot of the interference and a lot of the, you know, the extra stuff that is not needed when you have teams like FTR, like FTR specifically understands how to work a tag team match.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so we, we messy up the thing by adding all of these other things.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, it was, it was fine.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I wouldn't say I was a giant fan of this match though.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I thought it could have been better, but this was not bad.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It was like a perfectly serviceable match.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You mentioned on the fight game podcast that you have the fifteen minutes in the middle of that thirty minute draw.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And there was a lot of that that I really enjoyed because the beginning and the end again were the mess and the stuff in the middle of the good stuff.

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[SPEAKER_00]: All right, let's get to this entire show and we'll talk about the pre-show because you got to see the pre-show.

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[SPEAKER_00]: When I turned on my Amazon Prime feed of the show, I think I was probably about two hours behind you guys.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so I turned on the feed and I'm like,

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, it's Renee and maybe RJ, whatever.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I was like, oh, no, no, no, no, no.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There's a whole night of the minute of stuff that I do not want to see here.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I need to figure out how to quickly get to the beginning of the paper piece.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I didn't see it, but you did get to see it because you were at Dave's trying to set up his Amazon prime.

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[SPEAKER_01]: All right, now it's in five minutes, man.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I felt good about that one.

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[SPEAKER_01]: All right.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Amen.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Tag to start the show was Paragon, El Desperado, and we were a versus crew and head to Sarah and Josh Alexander.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Is that right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, that is correct.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It was a very good match.

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[SPEAKER_01]: All the zero hour matches were actually very, very good above average.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I had a lot to do with the quality of the people wrestling on these matches with all these visiting visiting talents.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Some of the main roster paper you guys got moved down to the to the pre show.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The right guy was highlighted in this.

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[SPEAKER_01]: There was no, there was no like real drama attention, but you, you remember ended up pinning, I believe Leo Rush or action injury at the very end.

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[SPEAKER_01]: There wasn't like a, oh, can't hear can't hear.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It was like once you, you were married, got the pants on this guy at the end of the match.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He won it pretty convincingly.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And he, one of the top stars going forward in New Japan for wrestling.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I was generally pretty happy with that call being made.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Trio's match, gates of agony and ricochet defeated jet speed and Michael Oku.

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[SPEAKER_00]: How did Michael Oku look?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Because you and I saw him in Vegas, and that dude is tiny, like way smaller than I thought he would be.

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[SPEAKER_01]: This one, when I'll begin to worry for the hometown crowd, because Michael Oakley looked really, really good throughout the entire match.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But it became pretty clear that he was the guy that was just going to get a cast kicked for the entirety of the match and kind of come from behind.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And so he was kind of made to look lesser than the main

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[SPEAKER_01]: AEW star even though they're getting, they got a huge evasion.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And he got his spot.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So one of the big ones was I believe Bishop Khan threw him over the ropes nearly headfirst onto the floor.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like just no control to kind of like do it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And he got up and he will find and he kept going, but if you're one of those like deer godman, like

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[SPEAKER_01]: Dear God, after that, it was the back and forth you get in any zero hour batch, but the finish of the match was

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, Michael Oku, looking like he was going to have this match, uh, one with a submission, and then, uh, Ricochet clawed the eyes, and while the game's lagging, he were able to hold back, just be, they all, uh, then took terms, piling on, destroying him, and then basically putting him away for the finish.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So, uh, what you would expect of the, the guy from the hometown, it was really good, but you could have done less with making Oku look like a geek.

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[SPEAKER_00]: super nice guy though.

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[SPEAKER_00]: What do we go hang out with him?

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think the world of him and I think he's deferring of every opportunity he gets.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, good dude.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, by the way, lady bees all about the the breakfast burritos and stuff.

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[SPEAKER_00]: How are the breakfast burritos?

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[SPEAKER_01]: I can't speak for them because I made them.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So if we get feedback from the people watching the show, I offer day of food.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He declined.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I don't know what day it is because there's a tortilla in there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That didn't.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I really said, hey, well, put scrambled eggs inside of a tortilla and I will give it to you.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And he's like, no, thank you.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm like, all right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: No, okay.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Actually, he will eat carbs.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He doesn't eat anything that is white flour because this is why I actually, I don't know if this is why.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But according to Big Dave, Brian Pillman is the person who told him, don't eat anything with white carb in it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like you can eat brown carbs, don't eat white carbs.

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[SPEAKER_00]: White carbs are really what's going to hurt you.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I think Dave, Dave, weep bread, but I think that's about it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So he's very disciplined with his diet.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I have to give him credit for that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: John says the breakfast breed was fire by the way.

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[SPEAKER_00]: All right, so the next match was a eight woman tag with Julie Hart's guy blue and Tecla and Megan Bane against Harley Cameron, Kristatlin or Queen Aminata and Willow, Nightingale.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then they played this off later in the show as if Queen Aminata and Tecla hadn't stopped fighting since then, like three hours later.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And, uh, and that brought out Jamie Hayter to save Queen of Manada from the bad girls.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so I guess Jamie Hayter is back.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And to the detriment for some, it looks like she's still playing the, uh,

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[SPEAKER_00]: the flower.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, the seventies angle of of of of gear.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The the period piece of Jamie Hader.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I actually the conclusion we came to we're watching was that Tony Kong got a lot of trouble last year for bringing her back on the pre show in the UK and so he wasn't going to make that same mistake this time.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so they made you factored a moment after the fat saver and Nigel magic since it was already the hometown.

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[SPEAKER_01]: like segment and they brought her back and it was a good way to change the subject.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I saw the results.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That was kind of interesting that the babyface women lost here.

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[SPEAKER_00]: What was the reason for the loss in the match?

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[SPEAKER_01]: So it was pretty equal until

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[SPEAKER_01]: I believe Chris Stattlander accidentally hit Willow Night in Gale and knocked her out of the ring, which caused Megan Bane to take advantage and I believe pin queen Aminana in the melee.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So it was a miscommunication between Stattlander and Night in Gale, which furthers their feud, which was always kind of an explicable that those two weren't a match together, but it made you factor in the opportunity to

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[SPEAKER_01]: move the plot forward, like we don't work well together.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We're just bad for each other, blah, blah, blah, blah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But that's how the baby face was lost that much.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They're like the reverse Sasha and Bailey.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Charles is in the chat and wanted to know if we thought Camille would return now that Wardlow is back.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think those two things are necessarily linked together.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I would actually be surprised if Camille was back just because she was not fantastic when she was there.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The popularity among people with influence seemed to be very low.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Also, I mean, her opinions or her opinions, but I saw some political stuff that she had posted that maybe.

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[SPEAKER_00]: People would have been frustrated with at the time.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, I think

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[SPEAKER_00]: Wardlow's some almost like it is like last chance opportunity.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't even know if Camille will get a second chance, which is kind of the thing there.

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[SPEAKER_01]: After this weekend, I was starting to wonder if one Bailey would end up making her way over an AEW at some point, and that would probably be a pretty can't even over for her.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, Lady B says, when you have Bozile, you don't need to bring in Bozile men.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We're going to talk about this Bozile here in a second.

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[SPEAKER_00]: All right, so then the main event of the pre-show or the zero hour was the ops, beating the Bullet Club Wardogs, Clark Connor's Jill Maloney, and Robbie X. How was this one?

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[SPEAKER_01]: It was a ten minute match basically the ops did all the ops stuff.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Though ward off's got their moments, you know, drew a morning look good.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Cartconner's got his stuff and Robbie and did the splash off the top rope, which Joe did the avoiding thing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And so we got all the spots in.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It was a ten minute match.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Honestly, it was fine.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It was the most forbidden door match on the card in a lot of ways because he had

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[SPEAKER_01]: you know, a top AEW team versus a top faction in New Japan.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I absolutely zero issues with it given who was in the match and with the outcome should be.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: If you if you wanted to see the most forbidden door match of the entire night, this is it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: All right, let's get to the main card.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Copeland and Christian defeated kill switch and keep saving at that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The psychology was kind of funky in this match.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Why, why was kill switch turning on his own team?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Here's what I think.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Because Christian is still playing a heel, Killswich is actually the baby face on the heel side.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And he is getting revenge for Christian Cage being mean to him.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And thus we had the funky spots where he was actually helping edge

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[SPEAKER_00]: beat up, helping edge beat up Sabian.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So the problem, and maybe the announcers were trying to explain it, they seem to be guessing to me rather than having an actual explanation.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But they did not explain it very well.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And it is weird when you have these three giant men in edge Christian and kill switch beating on this poor little small guy, Kip Sabian.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So the psychology was kind of jacked to me.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But again, as I said, them getting back together, the storyline was idiotic.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They're showing up on Monday and them giving their reason for getting back together.

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[SPEAKER_00]: What that storyline was idiotic.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't give a shit.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I like those guys back together in the in the the late years of their career.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They're back together as a tag team.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They're not the same tag team.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They don't move the same.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But they just look right together.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's where we should be right now with Copeland and Christian as they

58:34.178 --> 58:36.079
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, get to the end of their wrestling careers.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They are together as a team more important to AEW than they are apart.

58:44.001 --> 58:45.482
[SPEAKER_00]: And that's the bottom line to me.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So this is like a total moments thing for me.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm into the nostalgia.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I saw somebody say in the discord, like once they do the five second pose, then I'll be like, I don't want to see the five second pose.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That was twenty years ago, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like we, this is an older team.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I want to keep it in because I'm kind of math those grumpy old men just in the division.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, you know what I mean?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, make them the old bastards that are going to want to win the title well last time and they're going to roll through you to get there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I will say from a normal AEW opener standpoint, this is one of the weaker ones that they've open a paper view with.

59:22.915 --> 59:27.099
[SPEAKER_00]: They use the star power to pick off the show over the actual match.

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[SPEAKER_01]: When that crowd started singing Copeland theme song, and you got that old

59:34.188 --> 59:55.555
[SPEAKER_01]: I want to say like WWE energy in in the UK where it's like there was a big storm singing their music and we're into the show where the wrestling show and it's a big night a big fight night you started with the right match like I look down the rest of the card and like I wouldn't have done any other match to start to open the show that just it

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[SPEAKER_00]: got the finish was the old like heart attack, but instead of the clothes line, it fed into edge hitting a spear on.

01:00:04.827 --> 01:00:06.408
[SPEAKER_00]: Keep saving in to win.

01:00:06.448 --> 01:00:09.491
[SPEAKER_00]: And then Christian stuck out his hand.

01:00:10.972 --> 01:00:12.733
[SPEAKER_00]: Edge stuck out his hand.

01:00:13.674 --> 01:00:18.218
[SPEAKER_00]: Edge tried to bring it in a little closer and Christians like, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, let's start with the hand.

01:00:18.238 --> 01:00:19.158
[SPEAKER_03]: Shout out to the boundaries.

01:00:19.539 --> 01:00:19.739
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

01:00:20.179 --> 01:00:21.640
[SPEAKER_00]: And we're not going full hug here.

01:00:21.740 --> 01:00:24.663
[SPEAKER_00]: So at some point, they will get an embrace and

01:00:25.421 --> 01:00:26.082
[SPEAKER_00]: And people will get it.

01:00:26.102 --> 01:00:29.686
[SPEAKER_01]: Do you think it embrace and then tag those or tag those and then embrace?

01:00:29.706 --> 01:00:31.969
[SPEAKER_00]: Uh, good question.

01:00:32.209 --> 01:00:32.570
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.

01:00:32.890 --> 01:00:34.512
[SPEAKER_00]: Both are going to be great moments.

01:00:34.532 --> 01:00:35.654
[SPEAKER_00]: You could space them out, right?

01:00:35.894 --> 01:00:36.054
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

01:00:36.735 --> 01:00:40.640
[SPEAKER_01]: It just depends on like what's more important to the crowd if the final destination.

01:00:42.259 --> 01:00:44.720
[SPEAKER_00]: All right, Kyle Fletcher and her own with Takahashi.

01:00:44.820 --> 01:00:46.321
[SPEAKER_00]: I really, like I said, it's up.

01:00:46.401 --> 01:00:48.302
[SPEAKER_00]: I really like the pacing of this match.

01:00:48.402 --> 01:00:52.624
[SPEAKER_00]: I like the pacing of Kyle Fletcher as a heel wrestler.

01:00:53.324 --> 01:00:55.145
[SPEAKER_00]: He doesn't hurry through stuff.

01:00:55.185 --> 01:00:56.746
[SPEAKER_00]: He takes this time.

01:00:56.766 --> 01:01:02.289
[SPEAKER_00]: This was when, so this was Walker's first match.

01:01:03.129 --> 01:01:04.650
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh my god, he was great with Danielson.

01:01:05.070 --> 01:01:10.192
[SPEAKER_00]: He was great, but he could not find his way in for like the first five minutes.

01:01:10.253 --> 01:01:16.796
[SPEAKER_00]: Like you saw him at the desk with special and call us came over, but he was not going to interrupt anybody.

01:01:16.836 --> 01:01:23.259
[SPEAKER_00]: So I was waiting for X caliber to like feed something and he finally did and Walker had about

01:01:23.859 --> 01:01:35.315
[SPEAKER_00]: fifteen seconds to get all of his stuff and to explain uh... her own moving and all of a sudden got it all in they're not there but brought it here to my eye buddy

01:01:36.584 --> 01:01:41.108
[SPEAKER_00]: There was one moment where Kalis tried to throw him off guard a little bit.

01:01:41.869 --> 01:01:45.131
[SPEAKER_00]: And he said, I forgot what he said, like, get out of here or something like that.

01:01:45.552 --> 01:01:47.994
[SPEAKER_00]: But otherwise, I thought Walker was was really good.

01:01:48.874 --> 01:02:03.127
[SPEAKER_01]: And people trying to break him all the time in Japan on these shows that, you know, are the road to shows of all the things where he's just got ELP and a rocky and a bunch of these other guys just trying to break him.

01:02:03.527 --> 01:02:04.668
[SPEAKER_01]: Kalis ain't got nothing on.

01:02:05.582 --> 01:02:10.047
[SPEAKER_00]: So what was funny about this match is they tried to explain her own way.

01:02:10.067 --> 01:02:17.315
[SPEAKER_00]: They were like, if you don't know who Romo hears a comparable AEW wrestler to her own, and they said Darby Allen.

01:02:18.716 --> 01:02:24.362
[SPEAKER_00]: And I guess from like a daredevil perspective, maybe, but then when you saw

01:02:25.255 --> 01:02:35.409
[SPEAKER_00]: the the speed of this version of her own over you know ten years ago her own was like a lightning but he's a bigger guy he's a slower guy he's had injuries

01:02:36.982 --> 01:02:46.186
[SPEAKER_00]: And then you saw how fast Darby was moving in that main event and I was like, okay, that's really not that comparable, but I get it if you're trying to, you know, who's close.

01:02:46.526 --> 01:02:50.928
[SPEAKER_00]: I get it, but I just I really like smash never once thought her almost going to win.

01:02:50.948 --> 01:02:56.471
[SPEAKER_00]: I love the finish with Kyle hitting the kick to the back and the kick to the front and then heromo.

01:02:56.931 --> 01:02:59.692
[SPEAKER_00]: trying to sneak a pin, but then losing anyways.

01:02:59.732 --> 01:03:01.112
[SPEAKER_00]: I thought that was really well done.

01:03:01.332 --> 01:03:05.053
[SPEAKER_00]: Very just happy watching this match, especially with the pacing.

01:03:05.113 --> 01:03:07.834
[SPEAKER_00]: It felt it just felt like a one on one wrestling match.

01:03:08.494 --> 01:03:09.714
[SPEAKER_00]: There wasn't interference.

01:03:09.754 --> 01:03:11.735
[SPEAKER_00]: There wasn't all these guys coming in, breaking in pins.

01:03:11.795 --> 01:03:13.015
[SPEAKER_00]: It was just one on one.

01:03:13.175 --> 01:03:13.855
[SPEAKER_00]: Let's get going.

01:03:13.975 --> 01:03:14.155
[SPEAKER_00]: Good.

01:03:14.396 --> 01:03:15.876
[SPEAKER_00]: Good number two match on the show.

01:03:16.770 --> 01:03:23.373
[SPEAKER_01]: It's caliber, Brian Danielson and Walker were the best team calling him out in God knows how long.

01:03:24.434 --> 01:03:35.619
[SPEAKER_01]: I just want to again have to give Walker so much credit for being able to convey so much information clearly about some of these guys with a limited opportunity to do so.

01:03:35.999 --> 01:03:41.922
[SPEAKER_01]: And, you know, he even doing this a short amount of time, but he is just as good as the next guy.

01:03:42.868 --> 01:03:45.592
[SPEAKER_00]: And walker and Jim Ross.

01:03:45.712 --> 01:03:48.275
[SPEAKER_00]: I think we're from the exact same area.

01:03:49.677 --> 01:03:57.427
[SPEAKER_00]: That's so weird that to pro wrestling broadcasts are literally literally born in the same city.

01:03:58.259 --> 01:03:59.960
[SPEAKER_01]: They have a lot of similarities.

01:04:00.080 --> 01:04:19.270
[SPEAKER_01]: If you if you if you really dig into it and I know a little bit more about Walker than I'm willing to share on the show here, but you know, he's you know, he's very much like a hometown guy and very loyal to the people that he cares about and rides me of like Jim rock and his wife Jan, you know, like there's just there's a very

01:04:22.898 --> 01:04:35.246
[SPEAKER_01]: They're very genuine quality about him, that when you listen to him or you are watching him, you realize that he knows what he's talking about.

01:04:35.306 --> 01:04:36.767
[SPEAKER_01]: He's confident in what he's talking about.

01:04:37.048 --> 01:04:43.852
[SPEAKER_01]: And if you're able to tell the people who are following him, all that they need to know and very little else about him.

01:04:45.373 --> 01:04:46.873
[SPEAKER_01]: A lot of people get very indulgent.

01:04:47.414 --> 01:04:49.514
[SPEAKER_01]: They're talking and trying to put themselves over.

01:04:50.194 --> 01:04:51.955
[SPEAKER_01]: And he's just all about the business of it.

01:04:52.075 --> 01:04:53.435
[SPEAKER_01]: And I just think that's really good.

01:04:53.835 --> 01:04:58.636
[SPEAKER_00]: When it comes to the observer awards for an answer the year, I think there are two options.

01:04:59.657 --> 01:05:03.778
[SPEAKER_00]: One option is Joe Tessator was the ultimate host.

01:05:03.858 --> 01:05:07.519
[SPEAKER_00]: He's the most professional broadcaster in wrestling today.

01:05:08.539 --> 01:05:09.500
[SPEAKER_00]: And the other is Walker.

01:05:10.120 --> 01:05:19.745
[SPEAKER_00]: Walker is a great MC for a match and for explaining to the audience what is behind of what is going on.

01:05:20.445 --> 01:05:28.829
[SPEAKER_00]: And there's nobody better in calling a match to me than Walker, but Joe Testors calling a completely different product in WWE.

01:05:28.849 --> 01:05:29.749
[SPEAKER_00]: He's almost a host.

01:05:29.789 --> 01:05:30.350
[SPEAKER_00]: He's almost like

01:05:31.210 --> 01:05:43.772
[SPEAKER_00]: Joe testors like Ryan C. Crest of American Idol, you know, because that's kind of his job is to explain everything and to throw to everything and to do the right marketing piece and to, you know, quickly able to adjust and be the pitchman.

01:05:44.433 --> 01:05:51.614
[SPEAKER_00]: His job is just more stuff to it, whereas Walker can kind of just study the angles and study the history and call the wrestling.

01:05:52.014 --> 01:05:54.614
[SPEAKER_00]: But they're the two best guys, I think, for an answer of the year.

01:05:54.674 --> 01:05:57.315
[SPEAKER_00]: And I don't, I wouldn't even know who to put third, really.

01:06:00.187 --> 01:06:00.808
[SPEAKER_01]: I've been Charlton.

01:06:02.311 --> 01:06:02.691
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I do.

01:06:02.751 --> 01:06:04.274
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't watch enough, New Japan to even.

01:06:04.294 --> 01:06:04.594
[SPEAKER_00]: There enough.

01:06:04.935 --> 01:06:05.476
[SPEAKER_00]: Let me like.

01:06:06.195 --> 01:06:11.158
[SPEAKER_01]: The rest of, maybe Corey Grape because he's done a lot of strong work with some of those independent.

01:06:11.198 --> 01:06:12.479
[SPEAKER_00]: Corey, yeah, that's a good one.

01:06:12.659 --> 01:06:16.602
[SPEAKER_00]: I think Corey would be third, especially because of his triple A stuff.

01:06:16.962 --> 01:06:18.343
[SPEAKER_00]: Like that is impressive.

01:06:19.003 --> 01:06:23.747
[SPEAKER_01]: Like he has, he has done the work to really shine with that product.

01:06:23.967 --> 01:06:25.788
[SPEAKER_00]: I know people like people like Barrett.

01:06:25.808 --> 01:06:27.629
[SPEAKER_00]: I think Barrett's solid for sure.

01:06:27.649 --> 01:06:31.512
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't watch enough SmackDown to really have an opinion.

01:06:32.012 --> 01:06:33.353
[SPEAKER_01]: So I'm just going to defer on that one.

01:06:33.896 --> 01:06:37.858
[SPEAKER_00]: And if there was a vote for last, it's Shivani.

01:06:38.418 --> 01:06:38.719
[SPEAKER_01]: All right.

01:06:39.259 --> 01:06:42.701
[SPEAKER_01]: Why don't you keep much like Randy Orton, no one is in his wrestling.

01:06:42.841 --> 01:06:49.104
[SPEAKER_01]: And as one person noted, if we're watching, might be off the cycle of this month.

01:06:49.164 --> 01:06:54.206
[SPEAKER_00]: They got, they got Brian Danielson to say that Kyle Fletcher's handsome man.

01:06:55.147 --> 01:07:02.130
[SPEAKER_00]: And then Brian Danielson said something to the effect of that he heard that maybe Taylor Swift was interested in Kyle Fletcher.

01:07:04.369 --> 01:07:09.671
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, buddy, he didn't watch this new heights podcast to see how into each other.

01:07:10.531 --> 01:07:11.972
[SPEAKER_00]: Taylor and Travis kills.

01:07:12.052 --> 01:07:12.952
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I didn't watch.

01:07:13.112 --> 01:07:20.274
[SPEAKER_01]: The social media when Taylor slip is even uttered in regards to AEW is like that like whip and social media is like, wait, what's going on?

01:07:21.035 --> 01:07:22.035
[SPEAKER_01]: Somebody making a comment.

01:07:23.040 --> 01:07:26.083
[SPEAKER_00]: That would be actually a good move for Kyle, though.

01:07:26.143 --> 01:07:29.306
[SPEAKER_00]: I know date dating and wrestling is dating and wrestling.

01:07:29.326 --> 01:07:31.288
[SPEAKER_00]: I forget he's with somebody.

01:07:31.408 --> 01:07:31.708
[SPEAKER_00]: I think.

01:07:32.969 --> 01:07:34.070
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, so they're still together.

01:07:34.130 --> 01:07:37.753
[SPEAKER_01]: I want to stress like the black queen from it.

01:07:37.854 --> 01:07:41.997
[SPEAKER_00]: I didn't want to say that because I wasn't a hundred percent sure because things can change quickly, but

01:07:42.918 --> 01:08:00.250
[SPEAKER_00]: If for whatever reason he and sky blue were not together anymore, the the the move for him would be to find like somebody on like a TV show and I'm pretty sure both sets would in some way shape or form a celebrate if those two ended up not making babies with each other for

01:08:02.691 --> 01:08:06.512
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, so third match, and this is where we just as a match that Lerocca said was the first one.

01:08:06.592 --> 01:08:07.173
[SPEAKER_00]: A worst one.

01:08:07.273 --> 01:08:08.953
[SPEAKER_00]: I get why he thinks it's the worst one.

01:08:09.854 --> 01:08:13.315
[SPEAKER_00]: Mercedes Monet, Alex Windsor, Bozilla, and Persephone.

01:08:13.335 --> 01:08:24.139
[SPEAKER_00]: The problem with this match to me, as a four way again, I'm over these multi-person matches just for the sake of having them.

01:08:25.499 --> 01:08:30.981
[SPEAKER_00]: A better match would have been Mercedes against either one of these three women individually.

01:08:33.280 --> 01:08:34.080
[SPEAKER_00]: Alex Windsor.

01:08:35.922 --> 01:08:41.907
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think she is over enough on AEW TV to get the fans to truly care.

01:08:43.648 --> 01:08:47.672
[SPEAKER_00]: Bozilla in person was like, oh my gosh, who is this person?

01:08:47.772 --> 01:08:48.633
[SPEAKER_00]: Like Bozilla?

01:08:49.939 --> 01:08:56.141
[SPEAKER_00]: made herself some money this weekend by being on this show, I think, because she didn't offer one hundred percent.

01:08:56.361 --> 01:08:57.482
[SPEAKER_00]: She looked impressive.

01:08:57.522 --> 01:09:03.324
[SPEAKER_00]: She was taught like she's young and I'm going to guess she hasn't been wrestling for that long.

01:09:03.364 --> 01:09:11.166
[SPEAKER_00]: So there were moments where I could see, you know, she wasn't like, but again, like these four women together have never wrestled to each other at at the same time.

01:09:11.646 --> 01:09:14.427
[SPEAKER_00]: But I thought she was impressive and Persephone was fine.

01:09:14.527 --> 01:09:19.309
[SPEAKER_00]: Like she did, she missed on, she got her toes hooked on the middle rope on that dive and almost

01:09:19.929 --> 01:09:20.169
[SPEAKER_00]: face.

01:09:20.209 --> 01:09:20.750
[SPEAKER_00]: She recovered.

01:09:21.170 --> 01:09:21.850
[SPEAKER_01]: She recovered.

01:09:21.890 --> 01:09:23.251
[SPEAKER_00]: She was she got through it.

01:09:24.291 --> 01:09:29.954
[SPEAKER_00]: And the thing that I didn't like about this match, well, I wouldn't say I didn't like about it.

01:09:30.055 --> 01:09:38.399
[SPEAKER_00]: I thought there was too much of it, which when you do a match in the beginning and you have some collaborative, let's say, spots.

01:09:39.039 --> 01:09:40.280
[SPEAKER_00]: I think it's totally fine.

01:09:40.360 --> 01:09:43.722
[SPEAKER_00]: Like early in the match, everyone's fresh.

01:09:43.782 --> 01:09:45.063
[SPEAKER_00]: Do the collaborative things.

01:09:45.863 --> 01:09:47.745
[SPEAKER_00]: They just did way too many of them.

01:09:47.765 --> 01:09:53.610
[SPEAKER_00]: I didn't need to see, you know, two people locked in the same submission over and over and over again.

01:09:53.630 --> 01:10:01.036
[SPEAKER_00]: I didn't need to see the feeding so that you can do a move to two people.

01:10:01.056 --> 01:10:04.238
[SPEAKER_00]: And when you do that, it just looks overly fake.

01:10:05.019 --> 01:10:07.301
[SPEAKER_00]: That's the stuff that I didn't like in this match.

01:10:07.961 --> 01:10:12.044
[SPEAKER_00]: But I thought Mercedes is selling of Bozilla was was really strong.

01:10:12.104 --> 01:10:13.965
[SPEAKER_00]: She was definitely afraid of Bozilla.

01:10:14.426 --> 01:10:18.669
[SPEAKER_00]: I thought the, you know, the moves that that the women did were really strong.

01:10:18.749 --> 01:10:21.571
[SPEAKER_00]: And it's nice to see women who you haven't seen before.

01:10:21.631 --> 01:10:25.974
[SPEAKER_00]: Like it was like when Stephanie Vicarre was on this show was it last year or the year before?

01:10:25.994 --> 01:10:28.236
[SPEAKER_01]: Uh, that, uh, that kid was last year.

01:10:28.816 --> 01:10:31.418
[SPEAKER_01]: Her, her life to fame has been one year ago.

01:10:31.967 --> 01:10:32.167
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

01:10:32.368 --> 01:10:36.913
[SPEAKER_00]: So to see new faces on a show like for Bindor, I'm all for it.

01:10:37.614 --> 01:10:42.320
[SPEAKER_00]: We just don't have to do the four way because then you get so many convoluted things.

01:10:43.021 --> 01:10:49.189
[SPEAKER_00]: And when all I wanted to see after the first two minutes, I was like, okay, I just want to see Mercedes in those billet.

01:10:49.209 --> 01:10:50.591
[SPEAKER_00]: Like that's the match I want to see right now.

01:10:51.305 --> 01:10:54.166
[SPEAKER_01]: There were a couple of moments there where I thought we're both good and bad.

01:10:54.206 --> 01:11:02.349
[SPEAKER_01]: I thought when Windsor trying to go for the double sharpshooter and then fell over and then recovered, I thought was a bad spot that they salvaged.

01:11:02.829 --> 01:11:09.892
[SPEAKER_01]: I also thought the moment where Bozilla came in and stepped on the hands of both the women do stop.

01:11:09.932 --> 01:11:10.672
[SPEAKER_01]: So they couldn't tap.

01:11:11.412 --> 01:11:17.694
[SPEAKER_01]: I thought that was a really smart, uh, smart moment that I hadn't seen, uh, conveyed a lot.

01:11:17.994 --> 01:11:28.238
[SPEAKER_01]: I think Lady B in the, uh, fight game chat that she didn't, uh, the, the fight game discord, uh, email relief list that fight game media if you want to join that.

01:11:28.918 --> 01:11:29.858
[SPEAKER_01]: Uh, GG.

01:11:29.878 --> 01:11:32.299
[SPEAKER_01]: GG at fight game media to, to, to join that.

01:11:32.479 --> 01:11:40.522
[SPEAKER_01]: But, if you mentioned, uh, Bozilla could, and Stephanie Vakira's a verb, uh, Bozo will be giving back to this, uh, after this going.

01:11:41.222 --> 01:11:50.292
[SPEAKER_01]: where the bidding war between NFT and AEW may be in full force to get her services moving forward.

01:11:50.573 --> 01:11:53.576
[SPEAKER_00]: Tony, hopefully, had a conversation with her.

01:11:54.557 --> 01:11:56.920
[SPEAKER_00]: But who knows what her contract is with.

01:11:57.560 --> 01:11:58.461
[SPEAKER_00]: Actually, Brad says,

01:12:00.537 --> 01:12:05.478
[SPEAKER_00]: Brad says, once both of those contracts start them as over, Tony's going to jump on that, she wants to move to the US to work.

01:12:05.498 --> 01:12:09.699
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, so I don't know what I hope you've got a window to inclusive win negotiate.

01:12:09.759 --> 01:12:10.499
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, I got it said.

01:12:12.059 --> 01:12:21.921
[SPEAKER_01]: So the four way itself, this is something that feel like Tony, Con, kind of dope from time to time is we're city's money just lost a high profile single smash, right?

01:12:22.181 --> 01:12:26.042
[SPEAKER_01]: And so coming into this is being a one A, one B top star of the women's division.

01:12:26.542 --> 01:12:29.725
[SPEAKER_01]: She probably wasn't going to lose the next match.

01:12:30.305 --> 01:12:38.672
[SPEAKER_01]: So if you do a four way, you still salvage three singles matches that you're not burning with an obvious Mercedes going to win.

01:12:39.192 --> 01:12:48.159
[SPEAKER_01]: It does not mean that this concept or this idea or this booking mechanism is great, but I saw the logic behind it because in my mind,

01:12:49.110 --> 01:12:58.479
[SPEAKER_01]: I just, I never saw Monet losing this match when she's in the mix of just accumulating title after title after title after title.

01:12:58.499 --> 01:13:00.741
[SPEAKER_01]: It just didn't make any sense.

01:13:00.761 --> 01:13:03.904
[SPEAKER_00]: Daniel said said the comment that I would have said.

01:13:05.919 --> 01:13:08.160
[SPEAKER_00]: about basically like you have this big match on Sunday.

01:13:09.080 --> 01:13:16.182
[SPEAKER_00]: Kind of risky wrestling on Saturday in, you know, or whenever she won that other belt the other day, you know, I don't know.

01:13:16.462 --> 01:13:18.723
[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe we should focus a little bit more in AEW.

01:13:18.803 --> 01:13:21.264
[SPEAKER_00]: I sort of sense that was the meaning behind the meaning.

01:13:21.464 --> 01:13:24.125
[SPEAKER_01]: Just kind of like, hey, you work here, right?

01:13:24.805 --> 01:13:25.665
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, exactly.

01:13:26.385 --> 01:13:30.787
[SPEAKER_00]: So Mercedes wins the match and we move on.

01:13:31.187 --> 01:13:32.847
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't what is next for her.

01:13:32.867 --> 01:13:34.808
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know if they have anything set up for her.

01:13:39.450 --> 01:13:56.151
[SPEAKER_01]: I would guess make a baby like are they going to start turning her baby face at some point you just like she's just kind of there you can go back to all of winter because you could have had him or hate her come out during this match but they spent their very specific and were hate or came out.

01:13:58.587 --> 01:14:02.190
[SPEAKER_01]: There aren't a whole lot of women left on the roster.

01:14:02.230 --> 01:14:13.459
[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe you run back like Willow or Chris, you know, like you could do the Chris stat lander thing with the death writers and kind of elevate her in that position and have the death writers giving her a hand.

01:14:14.059 --> 01:14:21.245
[SPEAKER_01]: Because with Will Osprey out, they don't really have a whole lot of main event angle stories going on.

01:14:21.305 --> 01:14:26.369
[SPEAKER_01]: Like they're objective, they've lost, but they're objective as a accomplished and square that's going on.

01:14:26.409 --> 01:14:28.070
[SPEAKER_01]: And Hangman's got an M.J.

01:14:28.190 --> 01:14:28.510
[SPEAKER_01]: F. Thanks.

01:14:28.530 --> 01:14:30.552
[SPEAKER_01]: So what if back where the death writers can be doing next?

01:14:31.763 --> 01:14:33.224
[SPEAKER_00]: So this is actually really good comment.

01:14:33.264 --> 01:14:35.146
[SPEAKER_00]: Bozilini's stage of pending it more experience.

01:14:35.166 --> 01:14:37.588
[SPEAKER_00]: You will not improve or learn quickly by wrestling in America.

01:14:37.608 --> 01:14:50.960
[SPEAKER_00]: A W does have the information agree with that, but you also unless you do pen to paper with her, you risk losing her to W. Absolutely doesn't care about that because they have their own

01:14:51.560 --> 01:14:55.544
[SPEAKER_00]: that, you know, they have, they believe that their NXT infrastructure is the best one.

01:14:55.984 --> 01:15:02.750
[SPEAKER_01]: So, like the Kevin Knight can under a right, like he signed with AEW this year and had he stayed in New Japan.

01:15:03.170 --> 01:15:10.557
[SPEAKER_01]: He would have had a clear opportunity to work several dates, get higher up on the card, increases visibility of strong single matches.

01:15:10.957 --> 01:15:15.862
[SPEAKER_01]: And in that point, he would have had a much better pathway to start him.

01:15:16.622 --> 01:15:24.685
[SPEAKER_01]: in AEW because he moved race to profile to something closer to what Gabe kid is doing, where they want to protect him coming out to Gabe.

01:15:25.185 --> 01:15:29.147
[SPEAKER_01]: But he saw the opportunity to come to AEW and now he's in the middle of the car.

01:15:29.207 --> 01:15:38.170
[SPEAKER_01]: He's been out for work really, really hard to stand out and just need a bit of fortunate luck and opportunity with the rest of the roster rising and falling.

01:15:38.610 --> 01:15:42.192
[SPEAKER_01]: But had he waited and he sees himself in Japan a little bit more

01:15:42.872 --> 01:15:47.354
[SPEAKER_01]: would have come in with even more opportunities at a higher level.

01:15:47.494 --> 01:15:49.716
[SPEAKER_01]: And I think that's the same with those.

01:15:50.476 --> 01:15:52.597
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, enjoy the bigger paycheck though.

01:15:53.297 --> 01:15:53.898
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, absolutely.

01:15:54.118 --> 01:16:01.222
[SPEAKER_01]: There they're, you know, a plus going to mind if that you get paid more now, but, you know, as you're feeling capped as a result.

01:16:01.362 --> 01:16:03.443
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, from the perspective of like,

01:16:04.843 --> 01:16:16.812
[SPEAKER_00]: I would compare it to Major League Baseball, which has an entire farm system and developmental system, four and five different levels of having your prospects go through before they reach the big leagues.

01:16:17.532 --> 01:16:18.273
[SPEAKER_00]: Obviously, that is

01:16:19.760 --> 01:16:30.470
[SPEAKER_00]: better because it's not only better for the player, but it's also better for the team because then they can go, okay, this person has peaked and they're only twenty years old and they haven't gotten any better.

01:16:30.490 --> 01:16:37.156
[SPEAKER_00]: And then you can kind of, you know, get off of them and not bring them up because you bring them up and it costs you money.

01:16:37.536 --> 01:16:38.056
[SPEAKER_00]: But here.

01:16:38.757 --> 01:16:42.922
[SPEAKER_00]: with pro wrestling, all of the money is in the US for the most part.

01:16:43.442 --> 01:16:59.740
[SPEAKER_00]: So if you are betting on yourself, like I think you're suggesting, then yeah, maybe two years down the line, you build up, you become a star somewhere else than you come in and you're even hotter and you're a bigger free agent.

01:17:00.882 --> 01:17:13.329
[SPEAKER_00]: But what happens if you rent your knee, then that's the risk of not taking the money now and being involved in, you know, AEW, musical chairs of where, where in the card, you can possibly get to.

01:17:13.349 --> 01:17:16.431
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, so then Zach Saber Jr.

01:17:16.691 --> 01:17:17.972
[SPEAKER_00]: and Nigel McGinnis.

01:17:18.880 --> 01:17:20.261
[SPEAKER_00]: everything you would have thought.

01:17:20.361 --> 01:17:32.425
[SPEAKER_00]: The finish came off a little bit flat because they went back to, they went, they had a pinning sequence that they went right back to, but Zach had out kind of outsmarted it.

01:17:33.265 --> 01:17:37.947
[SPEAKER_00]: My favorite part of this whole match, the wrestling was solid.

01:17:38.547 --> 01:17:39.767
[SPEAKER_00]: Nigel's Nigel, there is a

01:17:41.972 --> 01:17:48.278
[SPEAKER_00]: There's an astrologer to Nigel and there's a little bit of like this guy never got to be great because of injuries.

01:17:48.338 --> 01:17:50.039
[SPEAKER_00]: So he deserves to be here.

01:17:50.059 --> 01:18:00.949
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't sense that New Japan is like the happiest with like the retired broadcaster getting the first I WGP title match, but they're just like, okay, whatever.

01:18:01.869 --> 01:18:04.792
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, but I thought all that stuff worked.

01:18:04.812 --> 01:18:06.513
[SPEAKER_00]: The Johnny Saints stuff was really cool.

01:18:06.953 --> 01:18:09.435
[SPEAKER_00]: And Zach goes out just by being the better wrestler.

01:18:09.455 --> 01:18:14.699
[SPEAKER_00]: But again, to me, it was Walker and Danielson explaining things.

01:18:14.799 --> 01:18:19.142
[SPEAKER_00]: Danielson explaining his history with Nigel video package.

01:18:19.162 --> 01:18:20.523
[SPEAKER_01]: That was really cool.

01:18:20.543 --> 01:18:23.366
[SPEAKER_00]: And then, you know, obviously on the entrance as well.

01:18:24.026 --> 01:18:27.148
[SPEAKER_00]: And and Danielson explaining like, yeah, Nigel,

01:18:28.029 --> 01:18:33.633
[SPEAKER_00]: you know, not Nigel treats me poorly when he's broadcasting, but I'm not going to do that because I'm great.

01:18:33.693 --> 01:18:39.756
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm so happy to see him wrestle and he can I'm actually rooting for him to win in this match.

01:18:39.796 --> 01:18:40.037
[SPEAKER_00]: And then

01:18:41.225 --> 01:18:47.446
[SPEAKER_00]: Walker keeping the new Japan side of things knowing that Zach is going to win the match has got to get Zach over as well.

01:18:48.106 --> 01:18:56.168
[SPEAKER_00]: Zach was in that casino gauntlet, uh, some, I think it was was that at all in was he in that one before that.

01:18:56.408 --> 01:18:57.488
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, because one before that.

01:18:57.948 --> 01:19:08.130
[SPEAKER_00]: So then, uh, so then now, you know, you had, you have them explaining stuff and I was just, I was really just mostly in love with the match and the announcing.

01:19:09.170 --> 01:19:10.751
[SPEAKER_00]: as well on top of the match.

01:19:10.811 --> 01:19:20.416
[SPEAKER_00]: If we could get announcing like this on all the shows like imagine how much better the stories in the matches would be Brian Danielson being on the show.

01:19:22.077 --> 01:19:28.881
[SPEAKER_00]: Like he's not going to wally pip taz because Danielson doesn't want to do this full time like he doesn't want to just be the announcer.

01:19:28.941 --> 01:19:30.822
[SPEAKER_00]: He wants the Russell and he can't Russell.

01:19:30.862 --> 01:19:33.123
[SPEAKER_00]: That'll probably bother him more than anything.

01:19:33.203 --> 01:19:33.343
[SPEAKER_00]: But

01:19:34.340 --> 01:19:38.208
[SPEAKER_00]: Man, it was a crazy improvement to hear his voice overtaz the weekend.

01:19:38.749 --> 01:19:44.420
[SPEAKER_01]: He is come on that takes very constructive feedback on his work and then immediately like

01:19:45.189 --> 01:19:49.153
[SPEAKER_01]: reflect, you know, like he's a very thoughtful and introspective about what he does.

01:19:49.233 --> 01:19:57.980
[SPEAKER_01]: And it feels like every time you see him, he just gets a little bit better commentary because he's so invested and he walks the product to succeed and he's not there to put himself over.

01:19:58.581 --> 01:20:04.746
[SPEAKER_01]: And I think like he's not there to make himself laugh or, you know, really just like pop himself.

01:20:04.786 --> 01:20:11.012
[SPEAKER_01]: He's there to pop the crowd and pop the people at home and to get them into the match as much as he loves it.

01:20:11.472 --> 01:20:11.873
[SPEAKER_01]: And I think

01:20:13.559 --> 01:20:27.286
[SPEAKER_01]: Sometimes it's the difference between having a commentator who's job and the approach from a business standpoint, as opposed to someone who goes into it, absolutely passionate about everything that they're watching and being able to convey it.

01:20:27.926 --> 01:20:33.809
[SPEAKER_01]: I feel like that's kind of what we're seeing when you have the task, Danielson, like comparison.

01:20:34.289 --> 01:20:41.973
[SPEAKER_01]: Tows will go in there and he'll commentate and he'll give you the analysis, but it feels like he's coming in there doing a job.

01:20:42.493 --> 01:20:45.636
[SPEAKER_01]: When Daniel sings in there, he's just like, God, I love doing this.

01:20:46.096 --> 01:20:49.579
[SPEAKER_00]: And he's trying to get his jokes over.

01:20:49.679 --> 01:20:52.061
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, which are hidden, miss.

01:20:52.121 --> 01:20:53.702
[SPEAKER_00]: I know some people enjoy them.

01:20:54.723 --> 01:20:57.305
[SPEAKER_00]: I, I just, we're on AEW dark.

01:20:57.325 --> 01:20:57.985
[SPEAKER_01]: They're not great.

01:20:58.025 --> 01:21:00.187
[SPEAKER_00]: Look, but they're, but they're tired, right?

01:21:00.227 --> 01:21:01.508
[SPEAKER_00]: They're, they're not new.

01:21:02.088 --> 01:21:05.991
[SPEAKER_00]: It's like a, it's like a stand-up comic going from town to town doing the same.

01:21:06.011 --> 01:21:06.992
[SPEAKER_00]: That be real.

01:21:07.012 --> 01:21:07.533
[SPEAKER_00]: Years ago.

01:21:08.293 --> 01:21:10.635
[SPEAKER_00]: So this is, I mean, tass, tass is a,

01:21:12.190 --> 01:21:13.290
[SPEAKER_00]: good personality.

01:21:13.330 --> 01:21:15.211
[SPEAKER_00]: He's just not a good commentator anymore.

01:21:16.311 --> 01:21:18.031
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, we already talked with the three way tag.

01:21:18.051 --> 01:21:22.172
[SPEAKER_00]: We don't have to go back there, but next match is unified championship, Ocata and Swarv.

01:21:23.932 --> 01:21:25.572
[SPEAKER_01]: Let's talk a lot more work to the snatch.

01:21:26.053 --> 01:21:32.554
[SPEAKER_00]: Let's talk about main event, one of the greatest main event match wrestlers of all time, Kizuchu Ocata.

01:21:34.674 --> 01:21:37.015
[SPEAKER_01]: I call him for contact because he's a forestar wrestler now.

01:21:37.815 --> 01:21:38.815
[SPEAKER_00]: I wanted him

01:21:40.662 --> 01:21:43.584
[SPEAKER_00]: I wanted him to cheat to win this match, by the way.

01:21:44.784 --> 01:21:49.167
[SPEAKER_01]: To really just like, do a number on the, on the knee illegally?

01:21:50.387 --> 01:21:54.430
[SPEAKER_00]: Do something underhanded like a heel instead of pin this man clean?

01:21:57.531 --> 01:22:02.654
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, I felt like a, I felt like one guy worked really, really hard.

01:22:02.774 --> 01:22:05.496
[SPEAKER_01]: And the other guy showed it to a contract really obligated match.

01:22:08.027 --> 01:22:11.489
[SPEAKER_00]: I didn't see anything wrong with O'Cotta, by the way.

01:22:11.509 --> 01:22:15.132
[SPEAKER_00]: I thought O'Cotta did everything he had to do.

01:22:15.952 --> 01:22:29.181
[SPEAKER_00]: Swerve brought the charisma, swerve brought the, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh,

01:22:37.987 --> 01:22:39.768
[SPEAKER_00]: But man, the guy looks tremendous.

01:22:39.788 --> 01:22:40.468
[SPEAKER_00]: He looks great.

01:22:40.928 --> 01:22:45.250
[SPEAKER_00]: Like if he if he does have an injury and he's can't really work legs, he's been working up our body.

01:22:45.270 --> 01:22:45.870
[SPEAKER_00]: That's for sure.

01:22:48.211 --> 01:22:58.796
[SPEAKER_01]: What about one of my favorite moments of the entire show, actually, Garrett was, there were a number of restaurants that did cosplay like Skyblood in a obscure atmosphere, though, and.

01:22:59.276 --> 01:23:03.578
[SPEAKER_01]: But we're, we're a mixture terrific from the way to Superman movie.

01:23:04.219 --> 01:23:07.680
[SPEAKER_00]: And so I was like, yeah, yeah, I didn't even put two and two together.

01:23:07.720 --> 01:23:09.020
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, he totally did.

01:23:09.140 --> 01:23:11.921
[SPEAKER_01]: And so I was like, oh, hey, I know how this is going to go.

01:23:12.321 --> 01:23:19.243
[SPEAKER_01]: Dave, did you know that's where it's caused playing if this obscure like comic book character, the feature and the way that Superman movie?

01:23:19.683 --> 01:23:21.583
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know if you want to put that in your note to everything.

01:23:21.883 --> 01:23:23.083
[SPEAKER_01]: And the look on his face is like.

01:23:25.904 --> 01:23:26.944
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I don't think that's going to there.

01:23:26.964 --> 01:23:27.925
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm like, okay, cool.

01:23:27.985 --> 01:23:28.465
[SPEAKER_01]: I just thought I'd

01:23:29.967 --> 01:23:36.169
[SPEAKER_00]: Imagine, like, let's play, do you know anybody in the comic book industry?

01:23:36.269 --> 01:23:37.650
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, who's done this?

01:23:38.090 --> 01:23:46.533
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, so imagine, you're watching this movie with that person who is not a wrestling fan.

01:23:47.774 --> 01:23:53.076
[SPEAKER_00]: And then you were like, hey, do you know that this wrestler is in this comic book movie?

01:23:53.136 --> 01:23:56.077
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, would you get the same like goofy response?

01:23:56.177 --> 01:23:58.418
[SPEAKER_00]: Would they be like, come on, girl, who cares?

01:23:59.660 --> 01:24:05.263
[SPEAKER_01]: No, because I think they're a little more light-hearted with the crossover aspect.

01:24:05.864 --> 01:24:13.468
[SPEAKER_01]: David's pretty locked in and I kind of view it as if it weren't for the crowd that's great, but he doesn't personally have to understand it.

01:24:14.849 --> 01:24:15.029
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

01:24:15.349 --> 01:24:16.189
[SPEAKER_00]: No, yeah, totally.

01:24:16.309 --> 01:24:17.010
[SPEAKER_00]: He gets that.

01:24:17.370 --> 01:24:20.412
[SPEAKER_00]: It's just not anything that he's even thinking about.

01:24:20.432 --> 01:24:20.892
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

01:24:21.112 --> 01:24:21.452
[SPEAKER_03]: Absolutely.

01:24:23.797 --> 01:24:29.735
[SPEAKER_00]: Again, like if swore it sounds like swore from maybe going away for a little while because the knee injury is legit.

01:24:30.977 --> 01:24:55.279
[SPEAKER_00]: and they didn't angle at the end where after he lost he then got his knee wrapped around and he got it put in between the steps and the ring post and somehow it was stuck in there like forever like he'd it would like maybe when he got put in their like alcotta just like dump super glue on it like and he couldn't like we didn't see that part but the leg was just stuck all the way through what the coming out

01:24:56.180 --> 01:25:06.417
[SPEAKER_00]: And then Swerve is a sitting duck and Wardlow would rather beat up referees than take a shot at Swerve, which I thought was kind of weird.

01:25:06.798 --> 01:25:09.723
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know why he didn't hurt Swerve at all.

01:25:10.252 --> 01:25:11.652
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that's so that was weird.

01:25:12.232 --> 01:25:17.594
[SPEAKER_00]: But again, like I, the way I would have had O'Cotta win this match is not clean with his finish.

01:25:17.634 --> 01:25:25.055
[SPEAKER_00]: I would have had him do something dastardly before then getting to his finish taking out the knee since that was the storyline.

01:25:25.415 --> 01:25:27.076
[SPEAKER_00]: But something in a cheating way.

01:25:27.636 --> 01:25:29.236
[SPEAKER_00]: Now this is continental classic rules.

01:25:29.256 --> 01:25:31.557
[SPEAKER_00]: So you can't have the interference, but that's not interference.

01:25:31.577 --> 01:25:33.497
[SPEAKER_00]: That's just a heel wrestler being a heel wrestler.

01:25:33.957 --> 01:25:35.498
[SPEAKER_00]: And I think we should have actually seen that.

01:25:35.538 --> 01:25:35.938
[SPEAKER_00]: It's finished.

01:25:36.718 --> 01:25:38.938
[SPEAKER_00]: I thought the match was totally fine for what it was.

01:25:39.018 --> 01:25:41.999
[SPEAKER_00]: It just didn't exceed anyone's expectations.

01:25:42.019 --> 01:25:42.399
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think.

01:25:43.099 --> 01:25:45.020
[SPEAKER_01]: Let me ask you this, snap question.

01:25:45.840 --> 01:25:53.121
[SPEAKER_01]: With the result of this show in Swerve and Osprey, who are the top three or four baby faces on the brand for AEW?

01:25:54.022 --> 01:25:58.362
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, who did you say were with Swerve and Osprey on the shelf?

01:25:58.723 --> 01:25:58.963
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

01:25:59.003 --> 01:26:02.303
[SPEAKER_01]: Can you make a typically not being around on a full-time basis?

01:26:02.383 --> 01:26:05.524
[SPEAKER_00]: Not even in the build of this entire show for this.

01:26:06.572 --> 01:26:09.613
[SPEAKER_01]: Who do you build as top baby faces?

01:26:09.973 --> 01:26:11.113
[SPEAKER_01]: Is it Darby Allen?

01:26:11.333 --> 01:26:12.793
[SPEAKER_01]: Is it Mark Brisco?

01:26:12.813 --> 01:26:15.114
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, it's it's hangman.

01:26:15.174 --> 01:26:15.834
[SPEAKER_00]: He's the champ.

01:26:15.934 --> 01:26:19.595
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, yeah, he's already there, but he's he's tied to the MJF feud.

01:26:20.175 --> 01:26:22.896
[SPEAKER_01]: So you need other like top baby faces.

01:26:22.936 --> 01:26:28.857
[SPEAKER_01]: You're thinking who should get Okada for the next who should who should you like do the programming around?

01:26:29.257 --> 01:26:34.522
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, if it Derby, if any kids think coming back, it's Orange Cassidy gonna be back anytime soon.

01:26:34.963 --> 01:26:43.951
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, you have a number of top people that the fans cheer for going away for short and long periods of time.

01:26:44.491 --> 01:26:46.373
[SPEAKER_01]: Do you have other people ready to go?

01:26:46.714 --> 01:26:47.895
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, maybe they turn somebody.

01:26:48.916 --> 01:26:49.136
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

01:26:49.795 --> 01:26:55.259
[SPEAKER_00]: Could you turn somebody who is currently heal right now and turn them baby face?

01:26:55.660 --> 01:26:57.621
[SPEAKER_01]: Probably to cash if the only one I could think of.

01:26:57.921 --> 01:26:59.122
[SPEAKER_00]: And they kind of teased it.

01:26:59.663 --> 01:27:00.023
[SPEAKER_01]: They did.

01:27:01.124 --> 01:27:03.045
[SPEAKER_01]: But that was like if to cash they're going to be.

01:27:03.586 --> 01:27:11.132
[SPEAKER_01]: Is that what they're priming for if to cash in Ocata down the line here at the C two because that's really the match to make.

01:27:11.152 --> 01:27:14.995
[SPEAKER_00]: I think Brad might be trolling me because he just said AR fox.

01:27:19.212 --> 01:27:22.075
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, absolutely ridiculous.

01:27:22.155 --> 01:27:22.475
[SPEAKER_00]: All right.

01:27:22.555 --> 01:27:33.524
[SPEAKER_00]: So the women's match, I was on the opposite side of Tony Storm and Mercedes on the last paper view.

01:27:34.045 --> 01:27:35.526
[SPEAKER_00]: Not that I thought the match was bad.

01:27:35.586 --> 01:27:38.628
[SPEAKER_00]: I just did not see it as the great match that everyone else saw it as.

01:27:38.909 --> 01:27:42.252
[SPEAKER_00]: And so I wanted to watch this Mercedes and Athena match more closely.

01:27:42.272 --> 01:27:44.734
[SPEAKER_00]: I was like, oh, I'm sorry, Tony and Athena match more closely.

01:27:44.754 --> 01:27:46.175
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, maybe I'm missing something here.

01:27:47.774 --> 01:27:50.035
[SPEAKER_00]: I was kind of disinterested in this match.

01:27:50.656 --> 01:28:07.546
[SPEAKER_00]: The way that the layout was, Athena took so much of the match, so much so that the announcers, Brian Daniel said said she's taken seventy percent of this match, which is a hint by the way that the baby face is winning.

01:28:08.426 --> 01:28:10.968
[SPEAKER_00]: I was, I didn't like the layout.

01:28:11.328 --> 01:28:15.751
[SPEAKER_00]: I was kind of like, okay, why are we not giving

01:28:16.968 --> 01:28:20.232
[SPEAKER_00]: The expectation that Athena can win this match.

01:28:20.673 --> 01:28:21.574
[SPEAKER_00]: It's the other way.

01:28:21.634 --> 01:28:23.416
[SPEAKER_00]: It's like, oh, we know this story.

01:28:23.476 --> 01:28:24.597
[SPEAKER_00]: We know this trope.

01:28:25.098 --> 01:28:26.400
[SPEAKER_00]: He'll take some of the match.

01:28:26.500 --> 01:28:27.581
[SPEAKER_00]: Babyface is going to win.

01:28:28.302 --> 01:28:29.083
[SPEAKER_00]: And that's what happened.

01:28:31.318 --> 01:28:40.160
[SPEAKER_01]: I needed something extra in this build because when we went to the announcement of all in, Athena was front and center.

01:28:40.660 --> 01:28:46.701
[SPEAKER_01]: And there was almost a presumption that you were going to build to this big match with her because it was time.

01:28:47.021 --> 01:28:49.441
[SPEAKER_01]: She had been in Ring of Honor for two and a half years at the point.

01:28:49.761 --> 01:28:50.982
[SPEAKER_01]: Now it's been three years.

01:28:51.042 --> 01:28:56.903
[SPEAKER_01]: I think we're getting at like a one thousand day like circling the moment with her title reign.

01:28:57.543 --> 01:28:58.603
[SPEAKER_01]: And it was just one of those.

01:28:59.813 --> 01:29:03.236
[SPEAKER_01]: She didn't get that match at all, but she got to casino gauntlet contract.

01:29:03.497 --> 01:29:10.263
[SPEAKER_01]: And she was, you know, set up to face Tony at this paper, which was the follow up.

01:29:11.244 --> 01:29:18.831
[SPEAKER_01]: That's all well and good, but subconsciously in my mind, I always felt like she was

01:29:19.948 --> 01:29:23.310
[SPEAKER_01]: a number two to a one A one B of Mercedes and Tony.

01:29:23.830 --> 01:29:36.638
[SPEAKER_01]: And so after having this big match between the two, I didn't really see a scene of coming in and sneaking this title away while she still had the ring of honor title going into this match.

01:29:36.718 --> 01:29:38.379
[SPEAKER_01]: So I wanted to be proven wrong.

01:29:38.759 --> 01:29:48.605
[SPEAKER_01]: I wanted to see that they were like gonna do something brave and stuff because Tony's from didn't really need the title, but at the comfortable position to have Tony storm with the world title.

01:29:48.965 --> 01:29:52.547
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, like you don't have to take chances with that the audience loves it.

01:29:52.847 --> 01:29:53.927
[SPEAKER_01]: You can hold the course.

01:29:54.407 --> 01:30:02.831
[SPEAKER_01]: And if the men, baby, face side a little week, you can, you can steady it up with the women, baby, face side being strong.

01:30:03.311 --> 01:30:04.192
[SPEAKER_01]: I saw all that.

01:30:04.372 --> 01:30:16.717
[SPEAKER_01]: I just wasn't sure if there was going to be this confidence that they could go further with Athena, then they were going to go based off of all the indication of her booking so far.

01:30:18.167 --> 01:30:26.252
[SPEAKER_00]: The finish was her getting the O face with her neck hanging over the top rope and Athena hit the move.

01:30:26.332 --> 01:30:27.613
[SPEAKER_00]: So she's knocked out.

01:30:28.154 --> 01:30:29.695
[SPEAKER_00]: She's flat out on her back.

01:30:30.635 --> 01:30:33.197
[SPEAKER_00]: Like it looks like she's knocked out completely.

01:30:33.317 --> 01:30:34.238
[SPEAKER_00]: She's selling the move.

01:30:35.481 --> 01:30:43.047
[SPEAKER_00]: And then, uh, who is it that comes down and sends me to mean it comes down sends Billy packing.

01:30:43.067 --> 01:30:48.512
[SPEAKER_00]: Uh, she's run, they're running after each other like man, these women run fast down the thing.

01:30:48.952 --> 01:30:55.157
[SPEAKER_00]: They're not doing the gimmick like pro wrestling run where you run slow and and now they're run fast.

01:30:55.958 --> 01:30:59.361
[SPEAKER_00]: So then she goes from being dead.

01:31:01.445 --> 01:31:03.627
[SPEAKER_00]: to get in the chicken wing, like so fast.

01:31:03.727 --> 01:31:07.469
[SPEAKER_00]: And I was like, okay, that was a little bit too quick for me there.

01:31:07.730 --> 01:31:09.131
[SPEAKER_00]: I wanted to see a little bit more.

01:31:11.512 --> 01:31:14.194
[SPEAKER_00]: And that was cut to me that was a flaw in the finish.

01:31:14.655 --> 01:31:20.519
[SPEAKER_00]: Like Athena hits this fantastic move and then just gets suckered in this submission in the mattress over.

01:31:21.300 --> 01:31:21.900
[SPEAKER_00]: I like Athena.

01:31:21.920 --> 01:31:23.061
[SPEAKER_00]: I want to see Athena more.

01:31:23.922 --> 01:31:27.064
[SPEAKER_00]: I think she needs to be in the main picture a lot more.

01:31:30.004 --> 01:31:30.805
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.

01:31:30.825 --> 01:31:31.945
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know why she's not.

01:31:32.005 --> 01:31:33.786
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know what stops here for being.

01:31:34.407 --> 01:31:36.488
[SPEAKER_00]: But I don't know.

01:31:36.628 --> 01:31:38.730
[SPEAKER_00]: Tony's the biggest Tony's a giant star.

01:31:39.250 --> 01:31:40.431
[SPEAKER_00]: The fans love her.

01:31:40.451 --> 01:31:49.456
[SPEAKER_00]: I wouldn't mind seeing the title switch just because I think she kind of needs another hill to climb kind of like when she lost to Mariah.

01:31:52.558 --> 01:31:54.580
[SPEAKER_00]: There's a little bit of wonder for me that

01:31:55.476 --> 01:32:05.582
[SPEAKER_00]: there's gonna be some boredom set in with Tony Storm, but if we base it on dynamite and the live crowds that go to those shows, she's still over like crazy.

01:32:05.602 --> 01:32:07.624
[SPEAKER_00]: So this may very well be a me thing.

01:32:07.644 --> 01:32:15.189
[SPEAKER_00]: And I've been at Tony Storm fan for a very long time, but I would like to see something different with her at this point.

01:32:15.809 --> 01:32:20.392
[SPEAKER_01]: I got one last question, a curve ball for you before we wrap this up, because we're going to show everything.

01:32:20.772 --> 01:32:25.195
[SPEAKER_01]: Do you think the roster has enough talent on the one side to do a women's seat continental classic now?

01:32:27.000 --> 01:32:54.062
[SPEAKER_01]: name the eight women eight or twelve because I mean you know I guess you don't have you can do twelve but you don't have to do twelve so you could do all of the the three toxic traction or whatever uh that's uh that's uh that's uh sky blue and uh Julia heart okay if you're calling it a continental class like I'm keeping sky blue out of this tournament okay so you got two of those Tony storm at the number

01:32:56.087 --> 01:32:59.708
[SPEAKER_01]: Alcwinter Jamie Hader.

01:33:01.829 --> 01:33:08.431
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, there are others, but I, but I'm making pain, you know, like you could, you could, you could, you could, you could definitely get to eight.

01:33:09.692 --> 01:33:12.293
[SPEAKER_00]: I think you could get to eight and that there will be some.

01:33:14.027 --> 01:33:15.408
[SPEAKER_00]: Let's remember.

01:33:15.528 --> 01:33:17.390
[SPEAKER_00]: I think you can do it.

01:33:17.410 --> 01:33:18.871
[SPEAKER_00]: You might be able to get the twelfth.

01:33:19.271 --> 01:33:21.913
[SPEAKER_01]: You might be able to make this member December.

01:33:22.374 --> 01:33:26.697
[SPEAKER_01]: You could do programming where you do alternate men and women's continental classic.

01:33:26.777 --> 01:33:37.886
[SPEAKER_01]: And I don't know if they do that, but I want to give credit that I think there's enough caliber of women's wrestling talent on AEW now where it was like maybe one day.

01:33:37.906 --> 01:33:38.747
[SPEAKER_01]: We didn't know.

01:33:38.887 --> 01:33:39.868
[SPEAKER_00]: And will instead.

01:33:40.546 --> 01:33:44.608
[SPEAKER_01]: That could have been like, there are, like, we're getting there.

01:33:44.808 --> 01:33:50.850
[SPEAKER_01]: We are out of position where if they said that they were doing a shot in their classic for the women this year, I think they could pull off.

01:33:50.890 --> 01:33:57.712
[SPEAKER_00]: Fernando's also asking, where's the A, W tag team division, which Tony Khan in the past said he's kind of waiting on some people to come back.

01:33:57.952 --> 01:34:07.556
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know if he was waiting for Jamie or not, but who else he might be waiting on, but they could, they could kind of get that going as well at some point soon.

01:34:09.520 --> 01:34:10.041
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

01:34:10.081 --> 01:34:10.401
[SPEAKER_00]: All right.

01:34:10.821 --> 01:34:22.131
[SPEAKER_00]: So we talked about the men's championship, hangman page, beat MGA, if we talked about the lights out, still cage match and the aftermath of that with Will Osprey.

01:34:22.151 --> 01:34:22.491
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.

01:34:23.072 --> 01:34:24.593
[SPEAKER_00]: One more question.

01:34:24.613 --> 01:34:27.296
[SPEAKER_00]: And this is also for those in the chat.

01:34:27.556 --> 01:34:28.016
[SPEAKER_00]: Actually, you know what?

01:34:28.056 --> 01:34:29.177
[SPEAKER_00]: Let's do a couple questions here.

01:34:30.398 --> 01:34:32.240
[SPEAKER_00]: Best match, worst match.

01:34:32.320 --> 01:34:35.563
[SPEAKER_00]: And in the chat, give me your best match, worst match as well.

01:34:37.614 --> 01:34:40.937
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm gonna go with the best match being Adam Page versus MJ.

01:34:41.898 --> 01:34:55.209
[SPEAKER_01]: I thought that that was a really solid made event match that leaned into not being too nuts, given that the stiff really allowed it to go out of control.

01:34:55.449 --> 01:35:04.417
[SPEAKER_01]: They did one count out spot and then a couple of near-to-squalifications spots, but other than that, it was, what about that model driver on the broken table?

01:35:04.917 --> 01:35:09.681
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I wish you wouldn't hit him on the other side of the broken table like that.

01:35:09.721 --> 01:35:14.004
[SPEAKER_01]: That looked like I felt like my head hurt after that one.

01:35:14.084 --> 01:35:14.704
[SPEAKER_01]: Worst match.

01:35:14.784 --> 01:35:15.605
[SPEAKER_01]: Worst match.

01:35:16.526 --> 01:35:19.368
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, I'm gonna go with the opener.

01:35:19.388 --> 01:35:25.592
[SPEAKER_00]: I think you're right about the opener.

01:35:28.495 --> 01:35:32.636
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I can see the the four way that John mentioned as well.

01:35:32.696 --> 01:35:40.780
[SPEAKER_00]: I could see why he thought that I could see why people thought the tag match was a mess, but I'm going to go with the opener as well for worse match though.

01:35:41.839 --> 01:35:44.921
[SPEAKER_01]: It wasn't supposed to be the match, but it wasn't even a bad match.

01:35:44.981 --> 01:35:56.488
[SPEAKER_01]: It was just, it was a match that they filled into the last minute, but if it hadn't been Nick Wayne and Kip Sabian, I think that they had that match in mind for a while, and that they created, they did dispatch instead.

01:35:57.229 --> 01:36:02.852
[SPEAKER_01]: It was a little chaotic, and it ended up being the worst good match on the cart.

01:36:04.573 --> 01:36:05.534
[SPEAKER_01]: That's the best way to look.

01:36:06.615 --> 01:36:08.956
[SPEAKER_00]: Lady B says best hanging in GMF, Brad.

01:36:09.076 --> 01:36:09.757
[SPEAKER_01]: So I like Lady B.

01:36:10.551 --> 01:36:15.835
[SPEAKER_00]: Brad said best MJF, uh, hangman and favorite Zack Saber junior.

01:36:16.175 --> 01:36:22.559
[SPEAKER_01]: Good distinction, the best and the one that you liked the best can be tuned for a day for an and electo cotton swore of the best.

01:36:22.699 --> 01:36:26.882
[SPEAKER_00]: I was one Fernando also said four way was the worst.

01:36:27.823 --> 01:36:28.543
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, I will go with it.

01:36:28.583 --> 01:36:32.446
[SPEAKER_00]: But you know what, I. F for an action crazy insane match.

01:36:32.486 --> 01:36:33.727
[SPEAKER_00]: I thought the cage match delivered.

01:36:34.389 --> 01:36:54.401
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, one of those two matches, I wouldn't argue you either way on it, but it just kind of like you're going to like one for one reason and you're like, you know, like the other for the other reason, you know, they used enough discretion in the cage match where it's like, okay, this wasn't no one died and people could have died.

01:36:54.701 --> 01:36:58.123
[SPEAKER_00]: When you when Dave asked you guys, what was the consensus for best match?

01:36:59.131 --> 01:37:06.838
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't actually think he asked us because a lot of us ran out the door as well as like Will Osprey died because we had trauma from the last show.

01:37:08.239 --> 01:37:16.987
[SPEAKER_01]: I think I think Scotty and Mary and David Rubio stuck around, but the rest of us were out the door.

01:37:17.087 --> 01:37:18.308
[SPEAKER_01]: We'll go and time to

01:37:19.771 --> 01:37:22.232
[SPEAKER_00]: All right, let's do the game that I love to play.

01:37:22.512 --> 01:37:22.732
[SPEAKER_00]: Sure.

01:37:23.333 --> 01:37:26.474
[SPEAKER_00]: Guess Dave Meltzer star ratings.

01:37:26.534 --> 01:37:27.474
[SPEAKER_00]: This is not about us.

01:37:27.674 --> 01:37:29.335
[SPEAKER_00]: This is not our personal star rating.

01:37:29.355 --> 01:37:29.995
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.

01:37:30.015 --> 01:37:36.778
[SPEAKER_00]: This is Dave's personal star rating for the last two matches and we'll start with the men's title.

01:37:36.978 --> 01:37:38.639
[SPEAKER_00]: Actually, you know what, we'll go last three matches.

01:37:38.659 --> 01:37:40.980
[SPEAKER_00]: Let's start with Tony Storm and Athena.

01:37:43.141 --> 01:37:45.482
[SPEAKER_01]: For the corner for Tony Storm and Athena.

01:37:45.662 --> 01:37:46.302
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to go for

01:37:47.663 --> 01:37:51.766
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to go four, seven, five for the world title.

01:37:52.026 --> 01:37:52.907
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm with you on that one.

01:37:53.387 --> 01:37:58.071
[SPEAKER_01]: And I think I'm going to go with four, seven, five for the light.

01:37:58.171 --> 01:37:58.711
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.

01:37:58.751 --> 01:38:11.240
[SPEAKER_00]: So that's the kind of the feel that I was wondering, because I think if that, I think you would know if he was going to go full five for the cage match, because I would have just watching it, I would have thought that he was going to full five.

01:38:11.981 --> 01:38:15.023
[SPEAKER_01]: Like you can, but okay.

01:38:16.182 --> 01:38:18.165
[SPEAKER_01]: to pull back the curtain.

01:38:19.808 --> 01:38:22.111
[SPEAKER_01]: You know when he popped for something.

01:38:22.331 --> 01:38:22.512
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

01:38:22.812 --> 01:38:29.923
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, like when he was like Michael Oku, like landing on his head, he had a visceral reaction to that.

01:38:31.673 --> 01:38:36.617
[SPEAKER_01]: They built up the spot with Darby Allen, getting ragdolled into the cage.

01:38:36.737 --> 01:38:38.719
[SPEAKER_01]: And there were a lot of great spots.

01:38:39.459 --> 01:38:47.046
[SPEAKER_01]: I wouldn't be shocked if it went five, but just the vibe I got from it was just like, it was really, really good.

01:38:47.266 --> 01:38:51.229
[SPEAKER_01]: But I wasn't like, except it could be five.

01:38:51.950 --> 01:38:53.351
[SPEAKER_01]: But my feeling is four to five.

01:38:55.180 --> 01:38:58.783
[SPEAKER_00]: All right, I think that is all that I had.

01:39:00.865 --> 01:39:05.248
[SPEAKER_00]: And I hope we kick off these dynamites in Philadelphia.

01:39:05.529 --> 01:39:14.416
[SPEAKER_00]: I do hope we, I mean, if this is the Will Osprey angle they're running with, let's tell everybody and their mother and five times.

01:39:14.516 --> 01:39:20.201
[SPEAKER_00]: Like let's really push this thing because if they're not gonna push it, then they did this giant make up.

01:39:20.281 --> 01:39:22.242
[SPEAKER_01]: And make up be happy when he goes back.

01:39:22.443 --> 01:39:22.583
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

01:39:23.475 --> 01:39:25.896
[SPEAKER_00]: Alrighty, that is it from here.

01:39:26.016 --> 01:39:28.697
[SPEAKER_00]: Thanks to everybody in the chat.

01:39:28.817 --> 01:39:31.698
[SPEAKER_00]: We had some newbies in here too that I hadn't seen before.

01:39:31.838 --> 01:39:32.978
[SPEAKER_00]: So thanks to all of you.

01:39:32.998 --> 01:39:35.999
[SPEAKER_00]: And I guess let me think about this.

01:39:36.059 --> 01:39:43.502
[SPEAKER_00]: So you will be back Thursday in your normal time slot with speaking of strong talking about all the new Japan reasons why this

01:39:45.285 --> 01:39:55.945
[SPEAKER_01]: But having a great time nonetheless, maybe we'll get that camera jinger announced for the title match for blue justice or the road to destruction shows in September.

01:39:57.592 --> 01:39:59.373
[SPEAKER_01]: The world is our oyster in New Japan.

01:39:59.393 --> 01:40:00.514
[SPEAKER_01]: It call chaos.

01:40:00.774 --> 01:40:01.774
[SPEAKER_01]: Everybody's upset.

01:40:01.794 --> 01:40:03.975
[SPEAKER_01]: It's gonna be fun.

01:40:04.235 --> 01:40:04.816
[SPEAKER_01]: Come join us.

01:40:04.876 --> 01:40:05.636
[SPEAKER_01]: Five thirty p.m.

01:40:05.736 --> 01:40:06.076
[SPEAKER_01]: Eastern.

01:40:06.096 --> 01:40:10.378
[SPEAKER_01]: We can talk about the dumpster fire that if New Japan were wrestling, it was just twenty twenty five.

01:40:10.959 --> 01:40:16.741
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, you guys are going to have to do some creative topics for some upcoming shows.

01:40:17.102 --> 01:40:19.743
[SPEAKER_01]: All I'm saying is I wanted to give people the hot.

01:40:20.475 --> 01:40:21.556
[SPEAKER_01]: want to watch our show.

01:40:21.937 --> 01:40:25.941
[SPEAKER_01]: And I think telling them, let's talk about the potential dumpster fire things going on.

01:40:26.081 --> 01:40:29.405
[SPEAKER_01]: But look, they're really going to get people more than raw raw raw.

01:40:29.445 --> 01:40:29.765
[SPEAKER_01]: Everything.

01:40:29.865 --> 01:40:30.846
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, here's the good.

01:40:30.927 --> 01:40:32.188
[SPEAKER_00]: Here's the good thing about New Japan.

01:40:32.208 --> 01:40:35.251
[SPEAKER_00]: Pro Wrestling is there are such a tremendous history to that.

01:40:35.331 --> 01:40:40.297
[SPEAKER_00]: If you guys wanted to do themed shows about certain things, you know, kind of like what we did.

01:40:40.877 --> 01:41:00.092
[SPEAKER_00]: a few months back when we when we re did the Omega Ocata we did the watch back on it like stuff like that is fun because there's so much great history to the new Japan even if like people are kind of out of the current product like there's stuff in the current product when you have when you are at the stage that they are were

01:41:00.672 --> 01:41:03.275
[SPEAKER_00]: You're like, okay, what could they do to turn the corner?

01:41:03.755 --> 01:41:04.996
[SPEAKER_00]: What could they do to?

01:41:05.016 --> 01:41:08.760
[SPEAKER_00]: Who should should should the person be?

01:41:09.120 --> 01:41:11.282
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, what do you do with to catch all that stuff?

01:41:11.302 --> 01:41:11.662
[SPEAKER_00]: It's great.

01:41:11.722 --> 01:41:17.087
[SPEAKER_00]: And if they're they're great talking points, but you could also do other stuff to study from that.

01:41:17.268 --> 01:41:18.369
[SPEAKER_00]: Just go out there.

01:41:18.409 --> 01:41:19.570
[SPEAKER_01]: So I'm speaking of Trump's down.

01:41:19.590 --> 01:41:24.074
[SPEAKER_01]: Stephen Conway is a fantastic historian and like he'll just he'll just

01:41:24.783 --> 01:41:28.264
[SPEAKER_01]: Tell me, ten minutes before the show's like, oh, hey, I spent fifteen minutes.

01:41:28.604 --> 01:41:39.448
[SPEAKER_01]: I got fifteen minute piece on a grocery ton of holly she's two years career retrospective that I'm going to math out into ten different segments of like cool man.

01:41:39.529 --> 01:41:41.829
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm just going to sit on the part of the show.

01:41:41.869 --> 01:41:42.830
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, when you're

01:41:44.993 --> 01:41:47.074
[SPEAKER_00]: All right, thanks to everybody for hanging out with us.

01:41:47.975 --> 01:41:52.438
[SPEAKER_00]: We will be back for post game stuff.

01:41:53.299 --> 01:41:56.021
[SPEAKER_00]: WWE has clashing Paris next weekend.

01:41:57.061 --> 01:42:03.706
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know that I can do that, but I may have to tap Kila and Scott to see what they're doing.

01:42:04.186 --> 01:42:06.388
[SPEAKER_00]: So that may be the play there.

01:42:06.628 --> 01:42:11.992
[SPEAKER_00]: And then AEW and WWE are, there's going to be a face-off man in less than a month.

01:42:12.872 --> 01:42:14.714
[SPEAKER_00]: WWE's first ESPN show.

01:42:14.734 --> 01:42:16.876
[SPEAKER_00]: AEW's next pay preview.

01:42:17.596 --> 01:42:21.679
[SPEAKER_01]: Saturday or Sunday Saturday.

01:42:21.699 --> 01:42:23.201
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm guessing because football season.

01:42:24.322 --> 01:42:24.522
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.

01:42:25.217 --> 01:42:34.564
[SPEAKER_00]: That's my guess, whatever the twenty it is, I'm sure I can quickly look Saturday or yeah, the twenty it is a Saturday.

01:42:34.945 --> 01:42:36.586
[SPEAKER_01]: It's going to be a long weekend.

01:42:36.826 --> 01:42:44.672
[SPEAKER_00]: So we will we'll just make sure that we we have our stuff and maybe maybe we have Kila and Scott do do that.

01:42:45.293 --> 01:42:46.474
[SPEAKER_00]: That we're also a loser.

01:42:46.494 --> 01:42:50.857
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and then we'll just go head to head just like a W and W goes head to head.

01:42:50.897 --> 01:42:51.518
[SPEAKER_00]: So all right.

01:42:52.238 --> 01:42:52.999
[SPEAKER_00]: That is it from here.

01:42:53.099 --> 01:42:57.302
[SPEAKER_00]: So we will see you at some point in the very near future.

01:42:57.923 --> 01:43:01.385
[SPEAKER_00]: Lots of live shows we had power bombshells earlier this morning.

01:43:01.425 --> 01:43:03.467
[SPEAKER_00]: They did their pre-pre-show very early.

01:43:05.028 --> 01:43:12.634
[SPEAKER_00]: And yeah, Jeremy and Steven on Thursday, Paul and Jeff Hawkins on Wednesday evening after dynamite.

01:43:12.714 --> 01:43:13.094
[SPEAKER_01]: All right.

01:43:13.134 --> 01:43:14.255
[SPEAKER_01]: Not that tomorrow at all.

01:43:15.416 --> 01:43:15.897
[SPEAKER_00]: We'll see.

01:43:16.257 --> 01:43:16.777
[SPEAKER_00]: Paul.

01:43:16.797 --> 01:43:17.118
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.

01:43:17.878 --> 01:43:19.640
[SPEAKER_00]: If Paul's not watching for Bindor,

01:43:20.907 --> 01:43:25.529
[SPEAKER_01]: And to be fair, there are not a whole lot of talking points besides we'll offer a beginning and turn out of the show.

01:43:26.190 --> 01:43:26.530
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

01:43:26.910 --> 01:43:27.130
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

01:43:27.150 --> 01:43:29.371
[SPEAKER_01]: We have a lot of talking points and wrestling in general.

01:43:29.391 --> 01:43:31.192
[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe Lady B sent us a good topic.

01:43:31.492 --> 01:43:38.755
[SPEAKER_00]: So if we do record, I do like Lady B's topic, but if we do, then you know, we'll have a show.

01:43:38.835 --> 01:43:46.379
[SPEAKER_00]: It's just I don't want it if he's trying to stay spoiler free on forbidden door because he's watching it at some point later in the week.

01:43:47.489 --> 01:43:52.973
[SPEAKER_00]: I we can't do a hot take show because he's got to know what happened for a month or so.

01:43:53.113 --> 01:43:56.016
[SPEAKER_01]: A hot take required being informed of what take for hot.

01:43:56.336 --> 01:43:56.596
[SPEAKER_00]: Right.

01:43:56.856 --> 01:43:57.176
[SPEAKER_00]: All right.

01:43:57.236 --> 01:43:58.097
[SPEAKER_00]: So all right.

01:43:58.157 --> 01:43:58.678
[SPEAKER_00]: Thanks.

01:43:58.718 --> 01:43:59.378
[SPEAKER_00]: Thanks, Jeremy.

01:43:59.418 --> 01:44:00.399
[SPEAKER_00]: Thank you to everybody.

01:44:00.559 --> 01:44:03.121
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm double G. We'll see when we see you piece out.