WWE Survivor Series Review: ESPN Report Card, WrestleMania Main Event Tease | WWE Post Game Live

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[SPEAKER_01]: We are live post survivor series from San Diego Petco Park.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I have Kila Cash with me as per usual, but we have a special guest tonight.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Talk about survivor series.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It is cow.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I know cow.

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[SPEAKER_01]: from the wringer, from wrestling worldwide.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, back in the day.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Back in the day, yes.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But you are not a stranger or a newbie at any of this stuff.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Count, let the people know how long you've been doing the wrestling stuff and where you've been doing it and kind of your, your, yeah, where are you in this business?

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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, I black wrestling podcast.

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[SPEAKER_02]: That's been a thing that's been since, like, a gosh.

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[SPEAKER_02]: seven eight years with with with with shout out fam shout out mash at a Mimi DTM.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I was working at complex for about almost ten years and I was doing a lot of wrestling stuff over there.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Talk to Roman talk to Cena talk that actually I look he did a lot of a random wrestling interviews over a complex way before the pandemic and like a lot of the stuff was going but during the pandemic

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[SPEAKER_02]: No, you're Bianca's and you'll actually see whatever was working at the ringer for a couple of years.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Shout out to Ben Cruz, shout out to Brian H. Water, shootmaker, Cas, and then the ringer wrestling squad over there got to do, you know, a number of WrestleMania and some of slams.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You're Dominic Mysterios and your broad breakers and your Goenters and your rear Ripley's.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, you know, just I've spent a good chunk of the last, like, you know,

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[SPEAKER_02]: 10, 15 years kind of randomly covering wrestling wherever people will have me.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's awesome.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Uh, you and I got to hang out a little bit last year at Russell Mania and I was like, I gotta get this dude on them.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Come on one of our shows.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I appreciate you, man.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It's like you said it's been a long time coming.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm glad to be here.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Glad to be here.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Kila, how are you?

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[SPEAKER_00]: I am doing well.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I survived survivor series.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And um, I am good to be done with this show for another year.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So okay, so this is an interesting one because I'm kind of at this I think this ESPN relationship don't where we'll get into the show we'll go through the entire show, but I think this is actually relevant question coming out of Survivor Series.

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[SPEAKER_01]: When WWE and ESPN signed on to become partners, I thought this is like, wow, this is just an amazing amazing opportunity for WWE.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I never in my wildest dreams because I've been watching ESPN since the early 80s and never in my wildest dreams that I think wrestling would be covered as it as it is on this channel.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And loan behold, they get the rights, they're running these shows, they are utilizing WWE to help with their their new unlimited subscriber service.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And so I just figured, you know, WWE is going going to understand this relationship.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And they're really going to blow this thing out.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And they're really going to take advantage of this opportunity.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And now we're a few shows into this relationship.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I feel like maybe it's my high expectations to what we've seen, but it feels very much like the same types of shows that we've seen on peacock, which are, you know, they're okay, they're serviceable, but they aren't like.

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[SPEAKER_01]: what you would expect from the power of ESPN.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And Kila has talked about this on her show, the rap, which is now live streaming every Tuesday on our channel.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And so I know what Kila's thoughts are, but Cal, you and I haven't talked about this, what do you think about this relationship with ESPN so far?

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[SPEAKER_01]: And what do you think about the types of shows that they've put on?

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[SPEAKER_01]: This was supposed to be

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[SPEAKER_01]: kind of the comeback like okay now we're going to start setting things in stone here.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: What do you think so far about this WWE and ESPN stuff?

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[SPEAKER_02]: I will say I mean that the 30 hours a month is a steep price to pay for what we're getting.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Being given I'm not saying we're not getting decent stuff but I think to echo what you were saying it felt like

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[SPEAKER_02]: with the announcement and the way Russell Paloo's in particular was hyped beforehand.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It felt like we were going to be getting the next level of whatever this is supposed to be.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And I don't know if I mean when you look online it feels like a lot of it's creative and I hate to say

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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't want to say that's something new because I feel like we've been in a rut or some type of weird funk creatively for a while, but yeah, it definitely doesn't feel like like

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[SPEAKER_02]: was this, I don't want to echo, I don't want to say it right here, but we really survived Survivor Series.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And I don't know, like there were moments I see in the chat, you know, the the live moment, which I've seen rumors of and, you know, I'm a Jersey boy.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So you know, I was hoping that was going to happen.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And you know, in some sense, the way it was going to happen.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But yeah, we are living in, we used to be in a world where WWE was making movies.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Now, I think they're really,

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[SPEAKER_02]: They're really about making viral moments and they're great at getting the angles and getting the people to make the moment, but once you're done sharing the moment like, you know, you're not.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Unless it's a scene of thing or less it's like, you know, the particular thing that's supposed to happen on the show, you're not getting what you feel like you should have been getting last year the year before.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And again, I don't know if that's creative.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know if that's, you know, we're doing only so much because we have to do four or five matches in the SPN.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know what the case is, but I'm feeling it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm feeling it right now.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it definitely seems like there are so many moving pieces that they have to save a little bit for everything like I was talking about in our in our discord, I was talking about how, you know, actually I found a couple of the recent raws, especially the ones that that John Cena has been on, I found those to be more entertaining for what raw is that I thought this show was for what PLEs are supposed to be.

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[SPEAKER_01]: and but if you think about it like you got this two and a half hour raw you have your three hours SmackDown now we're going back to three hours SmackDown you have your Saturday nights main event you have your PLEs

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[SPEAKER_01]: like maybe everything is just to peek to Royal Rumble and Russell Manion now and you kind of have to share these moments on these other shows Saturday night main event gets the John Cena retirement.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So there may be something in that and maybe they're just sort of figuring out the best way to utilize it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But if I was giving them any advice, I would say,

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[SPEAKER_01]: you do need to make these PLEs more worthy of people's time because I think there's an interesting there's an interesting space for wrestling right now.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We are, you know, I enjoy AEW as well, but I am overwhelmed a lot of the times with AEW.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It is a, uh,

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[SPEAKER_01]: It is more time in many cases than I am willing to spend to watch as intently as a UW product has you doing and on the flip side what I like about WEs the lack of ease in in watching it or in just you know sitting down and going like oh yeah this is like very memorable I know how to I know how this show works.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I think there's a space for a happy medium.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I don't think WWE has to completely go away from this moment's thing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But there can be a little bit more meat to the bone when it comes to the actual matches.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And so, you know, there's some room to kind of fine tune this thing a little bit on the flips on in the AEW side.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think there's some room to kind of come

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[SPEAKER_01]: back a little bit more to the middle as well.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So, you know, wrestling's in a good spot, but I almost wish that I could get one product that was kind of like a 60-40 combination between what WWE and AEW does.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think I'd probably be the happiest wrestling fan ever.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe that was New Japan Pro Wrestling, like seven years ago.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But okay, Keela, I know you and Scott will talk about this on Tuesday night, but

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[SPEAKER_01]: You've now, we've now been several of these shows into ESPN relationship.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And you and I kind of had this conversation offline, which is this is kind of like the put-up or shut-up show and I didn't think that they got there at all.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like what do you think?

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[SPEAKER_00]: they're over three in terms of like really putting together a good show that leaves good real with the people.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We're paying a lot more money for this.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm still paying a lot more money for this until Xfinity and whatever technology they need to accommodate.

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[SPEAKER_00]: To authenticate.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, being a limited it annoys me.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Some paying 2999.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm doing the bundle with Hulu and Disney plus doing

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[SPEAKER_00]: But you're asking fans who are willing to spend a lot of money for these tickets and they're selling out these shows and then you put together a four match card.

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[SPEAKER_00]: that was light and you do two war games matches that had to be on record the safest war games matches and recorded history because I was not a broad breaker almost breaking his neck nothing dangerous really happened on on those matches and I do think it might be because last year especially for the men's side they have a lot of injuries and they might want to play a safer if that's the case.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Don't do war games.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Just go back to basics.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Do the traditional survival series elimination tag matches and call it a day.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But for me, if you're in a stadium and you're running stadiums at least four or five times a year, these shows need to feel more important.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I have read at least three interviews for me as Pan executives who have said, yeah, I relationship with WWE is very good.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But

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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, we need one of these shows to hit and that hasn't happened yet.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so, you know, it's not like nothing happened on this show.

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[SPEAKER_01]: There was a mystery man who came over the top of the cage in the men's match.

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[SPEAKER_01]: This mystery man was, uh, I'm pretty sure it was Austin Theory.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I know that that's been reported.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's who I thought it was when he came over the top.

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[SPEAKER_01]: kind of jokingly yelled hook when he's.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But he didn't have any records.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But he did some Seth Rollins like moves to set up the finish, which was brown bricker than hitting the spear on CM Punk to win the match for the heels.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, I'm a little old school here when it comes to war games and cage matches and just like on the AWP review where the cage is supposed to keep people out though it hasn't in like 20 years or maybe more.

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[SPEAKER_01]: This war game is matches supposed to kind of keep things inside the cage and this man was able to scale over the top.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Everyone just like popped, stopped and looked.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It was like the time was frozen.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They just looked at this man.

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[SPEAKER_01]: and he got the business done and that's how we ended this match.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So Austin Theory was rumored to actually be on the heel side and he was not, but I think, you know, it makes sense if he's involved if he's a Paul Hayman person or whatever.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I've had people reach out to me and say, well, why are we supposed to think he's anything special when the last time we saw him, he wasn't

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[SPEAKER_01]: When you put someone with Paul Hammond today, like that means that you're made, you're made man.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So Austin Theory Cal, was that on your bingo card here to lead to the finish of the show?

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[SPEAKER_02]: No, Austin Theory has never been on any cards in my hand in any deck that I'm playing a game in no.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Um, and I wasn't even, I was, I was sitting there trying to figure out who it was and it wasn't the time line they show because it was a specific way he was posing and they were like, it was like it was clearly an awesome theory poses the way he's scurried out the, the case I mean, it's an intrigue is fun.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, I, I, I,

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[SPEAKER_02]: I guess my question is, the thought is that we're supposed to think that that Seth Rowland because he did the because it's like, if I know Seth, you're talking about media, Seth recently just said my timeline is like right to WrestleMania, we're talking six months or so like I, that's why I looked at the way that person climbed up that spider-man up the cage.

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[SPEAKER_02]: That doesn't look like somebody's got another six months before they could start,

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[SPEAKER_02]: I, they pulled, they pulled off whatever they pulled off.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And so I'm going to say, I feel like they're going to try and play that intrigue role, whatever.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Does, is this the black scorpion?

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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know, like, is he, because my thing is, like, if it's theory, is it supposed to be known that a theory at some point is theory just playing a mast, Seth Rollins for five months.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And until Seth Rollins is able to come back and then he can be the guy under the mask.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it's kind of grand the Grande Americana right now, but you know, I guess if it's working in triple laid a work here, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you know, Keela knows my relationship with one Grayson and Waller and Austin Theory.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not, I've never really believed either guy was main event material,

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[SPEAKER_01]: they kind of every time that they're in the ring with a with a star they're the ones that get talked down to now people say oh but Austin theory beat John C. and at real some minute yeah I get it that there was there was maybe a couple of months there were Vince McMahon was in love with Austin theory actually let me take that back after what Brett Hart said about Sean Michael

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[SPEAKER_01]: I got to make sure people understand that that is not what I'm talking about.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Did think that Austin Theory was was something at one point and then, you know, Vince has gone and I don't think Triple H sees him in the same way.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So to me,

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[SPEAKER_01]: if if the entry is kind of the thing like you were saying, I could see how at some point Seth shows up underneath this uh get up and surprises people and then does the whole thing of like, oh, you know, I fooled everybody in the media like you did last time, but

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[SPEAKER_01]: If they unmask him, I don't see how that could be a positive, unless Kila does WWE, they don't have that 100% fan backing like they did a year and a half ago.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Can you imagine if, can you see Austin theory unmasking being a positive thing here?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh boy, I honestly don't know this and the funniest thing I saw on the timeline was a fact that someone said the Seth Rollins' knees has a move that fast since 2015.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So we know that wasn't him.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So clearly, if they continue this for five months, if he is going to be the doppelganger, I would actually love that because it would get him over as a baby face if they unmask him.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: then it gets interesting because Paul Hayman for the last five or so years has seen something in Austin Theory when he had power and creative refacto that was given to him my Vince and they quickly taken away.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He did put Austin Theory on TV well before it was time.

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[SPEAKER_00]: when he was on NXT.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So he sees something.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So if you're betting the house on Austin Theory, Paul Hayman, you better be right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Because normally you have a great eye for talent, you can see the future.

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[SPEAKER_00]: If you see any measurable value in Austin Theory, this is the test to see what it is.

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[SPEAKER_00]: If they can play off a

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[SPEAKER_00]: that would be good.

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[SPEAKER_00]: If he's a part of the vision, that is when the true work begins to get this guy over as a heal.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It might be Paul Hammond's like greatest trick.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He's able to do it, but you know, that would be amazing if he could actually get people to believe in, and also for Fernando, our guy Fernando, who is so supportive, shout out Fernando, he said he thought it was carrying cross

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think that that that that costume would have been a little tighter if it was.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that took the body a little bit more because Karen cost the thick dude.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Nice.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You got it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Not it not it would have been cool though.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It would it would would have been cool reveal.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: No.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It would have been pretty cool if it was carrying cross.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I agree.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So the other two other kind of main points before we dig into the show.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So John Cena.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He faced Dom Stereo.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It was a very much a smoke and mirrors match tons of interference a ref bump a return one live Morgan returned back and setting up cheat

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[SPEAKER_01]: T's that she was going to turn on Dom, but then she gave Johnson a taste of his own medicine when John turned on Cody at elimination chamber.

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[SPEAKER_01]: She tried to do the same face and everything like she really she really pulled that one off, which I thought was was was pretty funny.

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[SPEAKER_01]: What do you all see?

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[SPEAKER_01]: And Kila will start with you.

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[SPEAKER_01]: What do you all see for December 13th here?

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[SPEAKER_01]: I assume I still assume we're getting Gunther.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That was the the original plan.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I know that they're in the semi-finals of that tournament.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But now that we have one left Kila, what do you think about this John Cena last match here?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Is it going to be it feels like there have been moments

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[SPEAKER_01]: It should be big.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I know that they sold a ton of tickets in DC, and it's like a giant giant gate.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It just seems this tournament.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I didn't think the tournament was that interesting.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The way that they did it, we finally got a bracket, but I don't know.

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[SPEAKER_01]: A lot of the top people weren't involved now.

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[SPEAKER_01]: This Saturday night's main event is going to have a lot of NXT folks on it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Where are you with December 13th?

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[SPEAKER_01]: You excited?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Are you sad?

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[SPEAKER_01]: What are your feelings?

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's mixed emotions for sure.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The tournament has been underwhelming.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We've had probably maybe two or three good matches out of the whole thing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Otherwise, it was kind of like, okay, we did a tournament.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Let's just get to Gunther and Cena.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think they're saving.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Cena's last match for something.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There's going to actually mean something in the end to get Gunther over.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He is going to beat Cena.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's going to retire him.

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[SPEAKER_00]: is going to have like that title of I am the last guy in the ring with Dana.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I got the last W. I retired this guy and that's going to be major for him.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You don't need a championship on the line to validate that victory for Gunther.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It has for the event itself.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think it's gonna be perfectly fine.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I hope the NXT talent gets time to shine and they get some wins because if they don't, what's the point of showcasing them?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, hey, you made it to DC and you're on the card and you're gonna get to lose, like, no, get some people over, build them up, make it count for something and then when Cena loses, have that man do a 20 minute retire of his speech, let it be a moment that's memorable.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think like the post match is probably gonna be

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[SPEAKER_01]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And, you know, I'll say this for a good to Cal.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, I get the Gunther thing, like Gunther is someone that they're very much invested in.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He's an incredible wrestler.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He's a professional dude.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Great matches.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not sure he's at that tipy tipy top yet, so maybe this is they hope that this can get him there.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But you know the one that I wanted and shout out to my fiking podcast partner John the Rockah who mentioned it again, but trick Williams I thought would have been the perfect guy to be in this match because I mean we're going back a couple of years where I remember talking to Dave Meltzer and I go you know who trick.

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[SPEAKER_01]: trick may not be the the next coming of you know the greatest wrestler but you know who he can be he can be somebody like John Cena because of the charisma and so that thought you know if we you know of course Monday morning quarterback this tournament

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[SPEAKER_01]: I kind of wish it was trick if it's not going to be trick is not in it, but I do hope there is something on December 13th with trick and John Cena on the same show in a, you know, in a skit or in a segment of something because, you know, Gunther beating Cena is going to be fine and it's going to be good for their company, but who's going to kind of,

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[SPEAKER_01]: being on screen with John get get some juice.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think trick could be the guy to do that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But Cal, just December 13th, were you out with this?

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[SPEAKER_02]: It's I think it's it's funny.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't it kind of echoes the conversation.

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[SPEAKER_02]: We were just having about, uh,

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[SPEAKER_02]: where WWE is creatively in this time where there's so much going on, they're making, you know, these intricate videos for posters for shows that are doing the next April, they're plotting out the course for a Saudi Arabia,

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[SPEAKER_02]: They're while they're doing John Cena's final year in tournaments and there's there's there's a lot going on at the same time and I think what ends up happening is

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[SPEAKER_02]: We had this ideas that they give you, and then you just kind of have to ride on that idea.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Like I think the thought that, you know, shuts up to the squad of BRP, we're always going to root for everybody black.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It's kind of just where we go.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So like the conversations about your trick Williams or your obathemies or help people that are in the tournament like you to jaman Evans or your Carmelo Hayes.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I, when I envisioned this tournament, I was thinking, what, there's somebody that should be getting the rub.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Just like they gave Brock Lesnar that rub when the undertaker fell for her, looked up at the lights for him.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, I mean, he was the one that beat the undertaker and broke the street and all the heyman had a whole promo that he was using for months while for that.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_02]: That person who wins should be getting that type of shine.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm assuming it's gone through right now.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm thinking, I thought it was going to be Javan.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I was there at Madison Square Garden, phenomenal match.

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[SPEAKER_02]: The Carmelo Hayes Masters phenomenal too.

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[SPEAKER_02]: He took them out.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't think it's going to be so low.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't think it's going to be LA night.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Like, you know, it feels like this is a gump their moment.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And that's why I was kind of surprising.

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[SPEAKER_02]: People thought it was going to be seen at being IC champion.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And then also facing good because good through doesn't need that.

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[SPEAKER_02]: He already had that for 600 plus days, but I hope that.

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[SPEAKER_02]: with this being the last thing John Cena's doing and seeing conversations of seeing the being high on the Giovanna Evans and you know, picking the people in the iron to vibe or tort.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You know what I mean?

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[SPEAKER_02]: Like the iron to vibe or matches.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Like he's doing the things.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm hoping that this last, Sarah and I's made a bet can be kind of, I mean, it's almost like,

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[SPEAKER_02]: the perfect book into the guy who came in as the fresh phase going up against a curding or like he understands what that moment can do for somebody, especially for somebody that isn't really known and is getting a huge moment on television like that.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I hope that they're.

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[SPEAKER_02]: doing all the things, paying homage, paying tribute to Sino on that day, giving us good wrestling, but also making sure that whatever NXT competitors are there, they're getting the proper shine, and it's not just there on TV because we're highlighting the new people that you should be watching on Tuesday on the seat, like, you know, I don't want to hear every time, because I want to kind of be a love letter as well as,

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[SPEAKER_02]: what scene is we saw what he did with Dom he he he gave Dom the rub Dom got tonight even though that match kind of felt like it was very much a judgment day live Morgan Dom in a Mysterio story and not necessarily seen his last p.l.e.

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[SPEAKER_02]: That rub can happen on Santa's main event on December 13th as well.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I just hope that triple H and everybody else is stepping up to the occasion.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it is an opportunity.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's kind of weird to me that it's on peacock because by the hierarchy or the priority,

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[SPEAKER_01]: those Saturday night main events have kind of been the lower priority show but I think you know worked out date wise and everything they they they want I know that they still want that relationship to be strong right but yeah so well you know that's the next big thing that's only in two weeks let two weeks from tonight so we'll see what happens there all right the last question I have for y'all before we break the show down

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[SPEAKER_01]: Paul Hayman last week said this show actually, sorry, earlier in the week, I keep thinking it's Sunday.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm so used to Sunday, Paul Hayman said survivor series was going to be an infomercial for WrestleMania.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Infomercial, I don't know if I'd use that word, it's because like you said, we're, you know, some people are paying 30 bucks for this thing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You want to read 30 bucks from Infomercial.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But what he was suggesting was that you will kind of see

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[SPEAKER_01]: why this product is important based off of survivors series and I thought maybe we would see a little bit more of a tease to what matches will be coming at WrestleMania now at the end of the show Roman Reigns.

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[SPEAKER_01]: kind of sitting dejectedly after they lost.

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[SPEAKER_01]: CM Punk kind of just like, sorry guys, you know, I lost this match and then Cody, Cody being pissed off himself too.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Roman goes the punk.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They kind of do a light fist bump.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And they were really the ones who had beef.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The last time we had this, the Survivor Series match.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then Roman goes up to coding.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He's about to help Cody up.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Cody jumps up to his feet, gets in his face.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Very, you know, just kind of angrily, very intense.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then at the end of the show, Roman says, this is the last time we're ever tagging,

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[SPEAKER_01]: And so it looks like if just based off of the subtlety and it's not even really wasn't subtle they had Roman on Mike for that specific moment yeah uh it looks like maybe we're getting Roman and Cody part three at WrestleMania which means Roman probably has to win the row rumble or the elimination chamber to call the shot

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then maybe Punk and Bron breaker.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It looks like Bron breaker got the pen on CM Punk.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Was there anything else that you thought was set up big for WrestleMania Cal?

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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh gosh, I mean, in the women's match, not really, unfortunately, I mean, I think in the women's match, honestly, the, the one thing they set up for me is give me, give me Charlotte Flair Oscar whenever I just saw it on Friday.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I just watched it tonight, you want to run that at me and you go right ahead.

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[SPEAKER_02]: They're so good together.

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[SPEAKER_02]: They're, they, they really work well together.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Um, yeah, I, I, I, I think honestly,

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[SPEAKER_02]: It's maybe more what's missing because you're even looking at the Stephanie Varkar Nicky Bellamet.

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[SPEAKER_02]: My thought going out of that is I was hoping that, you know, I, you kind of can see when a live Morgan, when a Bianca Belair, when a Naomi isn't around like there's only so many women that can give Stephanie Varkar what she needs and I right now, especially for Mania, she needs, she needs

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[SPEAKER_02]: the heel that I wish Nikki Bella could be because I think that he Bella turning here right now was great.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But Stephanie needs somebody that she can rap with.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And I don't know if Nikki Bella is rapping that rapping at that level at this point in her career, no disrespect to her.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But yeah, no, I don't know what they were, I was trying to figure out what they were doing with Logan Paul.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know what they're doing with the usos.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it

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[SPEAKER_02]: Is Roman going to go with Cody is CM Punk or Russell Brown, you know, what's this Seth Rollins mystery person going to be like those really feel like the only stories that came out of it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I agree with you about Nicky Bell will talk about it more when we get to that match, but Kila was anything else that that you could.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Gather was kind of being teased for WrestleMania.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I got a whole lot of nothing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The watermark came on, I thought, oh, turns about to happen.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Know the show just went off the air.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It was a very kind of like non-traumatic way to end the show.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like Roman's last words to Cody was, I'll never team with you again.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And that was it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That was it like that was the end the usos were just in the cut like well we'll see him for Christmas I guess and then punk where I did laugh at these e-brows moment between the two of them telling you guys for the five minutes they were in Zootopia they're gonna go like a spin-off movie

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[SPEAKER_00]: This is like a lot of money between these two.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I believe that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But otherwise, I didn't get a lot of WrestleMania vibes.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Paul Hamon lied.

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[SPEAKER_00]: If this was an infomercial, I want my free time back because I got nothing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Even in the women's matches, I didn't get much in terms of a WrestleMania read.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I get more of that from your commercials for WrestleMania regarding your direction.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, no, I'm with you.

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[SPEAKER_01]: All right.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Let's let's start with the women's war games match.

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[SPEAKER_01]: There I was trying to figure out, I was like, okay, there's so much talent in this match, are they just going to let them cook?

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[SPEAKER_01]: And they didn't really cook, I didn't think like, you know, a lot of the spots seem to be really choreographed.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I think you do need to do that for some of them, but you have some of the best women of all time and wrestling.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I feel like you should have let them go out there and just really tell the story of, you know, why they just dislike the other team and, you know,

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[SPEAKER_01]: Osaka being kind of the leader and I didn't get the vibe that, you know, she was like, I just really didn't get the vibe that

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[SPEAKER_01]: the women really needed to have this five on five match.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They're like, there wasn't really enough beef for me.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I thought that baby faces were almost never in peril in this match.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, of course, they had the advantage.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And when the baby faces have the advantage in war games, it kind of throws off the psychology.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And AEW just did this in their blood and guts match, and in the men's match.

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[SPEAKER_01]: and what they did was they had Mark Briscoe Celen injury, so they actually didn't have the advantage, so I thought, okay, WWE will do something similar here, and they didn't, they just looked at the baby faces have the advantage and the whole match, and then they go on and to win.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So we'll go over some of the stuff here.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So Charlotte, Nassica, start and like Cal said, they have great chemistry together.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They had one of the best women's WrestleMania matches of

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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, so Bay Face have the advantage EO is in next and then Becky EO brings in a trash can.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So this is where we can bring in weapons, which makes me wonder why doesn't everybody bring in a weapon if you can like, like, shouldn't like, like, if you can do it, why doesn't everybody do it?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Some people decide not to do it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And I'm like, I don't see you see EO with the garbage can live in your kind of like, oh, like, what's she doing with that?

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[SPEAKER_02]: And you kind of don't think about it this weird yet.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So Becky brings in a candlestick.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Then Alexa was in next.

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[SPEAKER_01]: She didn't have a weapon.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Kyrie was next and brought in a chain and started and she just balled up her fist with this chain and immediately started punching Charlotte and Alexa.

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[SPEAKER_01]: AJ Lee came in and I'll give her credit.

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[SPEAKER_01]: She did not come in skipping.

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[SPEAKER_01]: She knew the job here.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And they did the spot where Becky is holding the door shut.

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[SPEAKER_01]: and so ages got to climb over the top and then they repeated the spot with Cody Rhodes and Drew McIntyre, which is something that they rarely do, they rarely will do that that like they have producers who will like make sure that they don't do that and they did in the men's match.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then AJ, so AJ did a dive onto a couple of women.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I thought, you know, Kila knows that I thought AJ was really bad.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And that Russell Palusimatch, I thought AJ was actually pretty darn good in this match, by the way.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I want to give AJ her credit.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So Nijax was in next.

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[SPEAKER_01]: What was she had the rosy cheeks and I was trying to figure out if there was a character she was shouting out or something but like she had the really like the bright red rosy cheeks and I was like, no, I wonder if she's like cosplaying somebody I couldn't figure it out.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I don't know if you all figured it's saw who she was trying to be or maybe she just wanted the makeup to look like that but just all good.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, Rhea then came in and brought in the trash can to match Eos lid and then Lash legend was last in.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So let's talk about Lash here for a second because Lash is the newbie on the main roster.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The audience did not know her music when she came out.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They did not react to her and

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know, you know, I don't know if they could have done a better job kind of setting her up on WWE TV for maybe a month or two before putting her in this match.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe if they had to do it again, they would possibly do that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then they had her come in and she was doing like the China-esque spots with the women.

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[SPEAKER_01]: She had Alexa kind of like Terry Runnell's in the Marlana character with China.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And she just, you know, she came in as the badass knocked all the baby faces down.

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[SPEAKER_01]: There was a moment where Asuka was about to spray

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[SPEAKER_01]: Bump three out of the way and Oscar sprayed lash legend so that kind of knocked lash legend out of the match like that was a way to kind of get her out of there, but what did you think about lashes performance here, she kind of has this It's not her debut.

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[SPEAKER_01]: She's been on on WWE main roster television, but this is her like big big moment.

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[SPEAKER_01]: What did you think of her performance tonight, Cal?

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I, I, I, I looking at her on smack that I was trying to figure out how how they had it's a specified Wikipedia.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And in fact, I think they, they did say that her matches with your card jacks and technically her, or there may have been one match in particular.

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[SPEAKER_02]: She was in a tournament or someone's technically her main roster debut.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I, I don't think,

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[SPEAKER_02]: that she was set up for success in terms of like a reaction in the impeccable park.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But I think part of that is on TV.

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[SPEAKER_02]: She kind of just got associated with NIA Jackson's.

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[SPEAKER_02]: She may have cut a promo.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't think they've done a lot of explaining of

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[SPEAKER_02]: who she was in story.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It's kind of just like, here's my girl, Lash, she'll jack you up too.

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[SPEAKER_02]: She performance was fun.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I think in Rang, when she got to the ring, she did what she needed to do in terms of the showcase of the last person who's gonna wreck shop in a match like war games for that.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But a trick was funny to see trick tweet, you know, damn.

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[SPEAKER_02]: She got that ring on it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: in there though, like it was crazy.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It was crazy to think that she did that happen.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But no, I think she did what she needed to do.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I think I don't know if it's the theme or if it's the fact that people know who she was, but it did, I was expecting a bigger pot for her, a bigger reaction, as you'd say, when she ended in there, but I don't think that's any fault of hers.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I think that was just, she wouldn't set up the way she might be for something like

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[SPEAKER_00]: In the rain, I thought that she had our spots perfectly, the presentation, the execution being the closer that was a choice because music is so key in WWE.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So there's weird debate on social media, like it's not about last yall, it's about the music.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And the pop wasn't there because they don't know the music and they really don't know her as a personality.

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[SPEAKER_00]: If you're an NXT fan and stan of hers, of course you're going to love her music and you're going to love her.

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[SPEAKER_00]: This is a general audience now of WWE fans who need to get to know Lash and she needs the mic time to sell herself.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So the character, tell me why you're tagging with NIA Jax after feeding with her on NXT.

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[SPEAKER_00]: for the last few months, explain why you're aligning with Oscar and Kyrie saying, the story was never verbalized on WWE television.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So why should the fans pop for someone?

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[SPEAKER_00]: They don't really know like that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But once she got in there, hit the power moves, the women's soul for her, the fans started to ruin off.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's how she gets over.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But you have to do the other things as well to finish the job.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know what else I think is pretty interesting is the way that today's WWE works is that you Are on NXT to get your reps in to create your character to get to get ready for the main roster and then when you come over to the main roster You're supposed to have those fans who saw you on NXT just be like all right That's my person and I've been with this person since day one and then I started thinking about

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[SPEAKER_01]: the Undertaker when he debuted in 1990 at Survivor Series.

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[SPEAKER_01]: People who only watched WWE, they had no idea who this dude was, because they had never seen him before.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I was like, oh, that's mean mark.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, yes, that was like, oh, that's cool.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, he's actually doing something here.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But that's because I was watching, you know, both, and I was watching different stuff back then and night.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I knew, but it was so cool.

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[SPEAKER_01]: to the people who had never seen him because he was kind of impervious to pain and like he was like this unique character.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I think they even called him came the undertaker on the TV.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So in today's wrestling, you can't actually have that moment because you can't just show up or debut a lash.

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[SPEAKER_01]: on the main roster without people knowing who she is.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So it's a little bit different.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I wish, I hope for her that she is able to establish her character and that they don't see that lack of pop because sometimes, you know, the people in the back are just looking for reasons.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I hope they don't see that lack of pop as a negative.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And that's something that is her fault like you said because it's an absolutely not her fault.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I mean, I hear you and I do echo that I will say though AAAs made sure to mention her and in the post show so I and and again they put her in that position for a reason I think they did what they thought that what they were trying to do correctly they didn't set her up for success, but yes, I think they they right now their thought is

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[SPEAKER_02]: She we got something with her.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know if they're looking at her like J2.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know what the case is, but I think they feel like they've got something they just need to like J said it up properly before you know you you you get the certain steps and you have the thing about last

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[SPEAKER_01]: pretend that Lash was this like WMBA Superstar or anything because she wasn't put that league is also like the hardest league to get into.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But I think there could be a nice bridge with the WMBA like let's use Lash as a former player.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And let's get a few of these WMBA women sitting in the front row on TV and let's because that is the audience that

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[SPEAKER_01]: I would chase if I was, you know, pro wrestling.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I would look and see what is the WMBA doing that we're not doing because they're able to grow and draw this, this new fanbase.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I would lean into that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I would love to see them utilize lash to it with that bridge to the WMBA.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think that would be really cool.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I agree.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm sorry, man.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, so EO as we'd hoped does her trash can spot, so she's on the top of the cage and I thought this was really cute.

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[SPEAKER_01]: AJ Lee is the one with the trash can.

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[SPEAKER_01]: AJ Lee is like trying to jump up, but she's not tall enough.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And you know, she didn't she wasn't really trying to jump.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think she could have got it there.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Anyways, but rea decides, okay, I'm going to put AJ on my shoulders and put it up.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I was like, I'm this is why you can practice this thing, because you can make sure that she could actually reach real does the trash can spot like

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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, you know, like we were hoping to see, I think that's like the, the spot that you want to see every survivor series now or every war games now.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So she did it on the four hills knocked him down like bowling pins and it left Becky for last.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Becky's trying to run.

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[SPEAKER_01]: She's trying to get out.

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[SPEAKER_01]: She doesn't want to be the last person in.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And the baby faces all get the Becky hit their moves and then AJ gets her to tap out in the black widow, which I guess if you, I guess maybe AJ and Becky could be one of the programs though.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know how many more times you can do this unless AJ just goes away again for another,

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[SPEAKER_01]: You can do the one-on-one finally at WrestleMania if that is what they want to do, but AJ gets the tap out.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So Becky taps out to lose the match for the heels and the baby faces when this match.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Keela, what did you think about the way that they ended this thing?

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[SPEAKER_00]: I thought it ended well.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I enjoyed the match with the most part of very some dude in terms of weaponry.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like as you said, people sometimes brought weapons or the people some cool, I don't need a brain anything.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I got these, these are all right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I got these.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, Friday, you sneak peeking in the sun.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Just these are fists of fighting.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So all you need, don't need a chair, you need a table, you need anything, but your fist.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I was like waiting for more violence honestly during the match and then it didn't really happen.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then I thought to myself, well, we could have just had a traditional survivor series match versus war games would have opened up more spots, would have kind of gave more action down the stretch.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And you would have avoided that last lesson of a pop, which came out because she would have came out with the team,

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[SPEAKER_00]: But I think we're as an all of that, you know?

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I thought the match end of well, AJ looked a lot better in this match versus recipe loser and my opinion as well.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Everything shit was clean and I was very happy about that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The big test will be when this one on one with her and Becky are they going to wait into WrestleMania?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Honestly, don't know if they're going to wait that long.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We shall see, but I do expect them to continue this match and Becky to get back her icy title before the end of the year.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And if we try and guess what could be going on with the women come around so many because I think that that is maybe the most disappointing thing about this show is you know when Paul Hayman was talking with the info martial it's pretty clear he was only talking about the dudes he wasn't talking about the women what could

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[SPEAKER_01]: uh... could it be a rea vs. lash could that be kind of on there you know on their whiteboard

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then see if they can get there.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know if they could get Lash ready in five months for her, could it be, you know, maybe it's going to be Charlotte and Jade, I know they've teased that a little bit.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, it's just, it's like, I'm trying to figure out what is like the money match for the women, Bianca coming back, I think it's going to be very important for them.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But still, I don't see that like, you know, I've wanted Bianca against Rhea Ripley for how many years now and we haven't gotten it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We had the three way last year, which was fantastic, but I do want to see that one on one.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, there wasn't anything that, I'm like, okay, that's the money right there.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, was there anything, Cal, that you could think of?

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[SPEAKER_02]: No, no, and I think it's kind of indicative again of what where they're at with.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Because they got great women.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know if they're putting that time into to really explore what some of these situations could be.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And I think and I also do think injury plays a big part in that even with live coming back.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I feel like live may be more she I'm not saying she won't be going for titles, but I think she may be more involved with.

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[SPEAKER_02]: judgment day business at the time.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So it's tough to see who you could really slot some places.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I would imagine the Charlotte Flair Jade Cargill.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I'd pencil that in for Mania.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Rear Ripley and Lash legend it makes sense.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I feel like Jade and Lash are too women with it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: They're kind of

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[SPEAKER_02]: They're moving in parallel, you know, formation right now in terms of, like, Jade may have a year or two ahead of last in terms of like being in that main roster system, but you can see, like, you know, I don't last may not have a single smash, I mean, she may be with not a jacks and have some type of, you know, tag match or being and being some type of other situations do there.

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[SPEAKER_02]: because it may be too early for her to be in a rear-ripply match, but we're getting that match eventually.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh yeah.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Lord willing, everybody's not injured, you know what I mean?

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[SPEAKER_02]: Because like you said, you know, that Bianca Ria match, that's been something that's been penciled in on my list for for three, four years at this point, and you know, it's just the stars haven't aligned.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: All right, so then we got to Dom in John Cena.

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[SPEAKER_01]: There was a spot very early in this match.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And it was almost like, I was like, oh my god, we're tempting fate here because it would happen to Bronbraker in war games.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So there's a spot, Dom is on the outside.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He goes for her, Corona on Cena.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And Cena doesn't go, you know.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I get why they did the spot because Sina in some cases in this last run hasn't been the most athletic dude in the ring.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So he kind of doesn't go over with Dom and Dom falls on the side of his head and neck and shoulder.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Now when I when I watch it on replay, I was like, okay, he didn't actually go down that hard, but the visual of someone falling like that as a wrestling fan, we know

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[SPEAKER_01]: So there was like this like worry about oh my gosh, you know, is dumb hurt and then if you understand how they normally shoot this stuff if it was real

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[SPEAKER_01]: They would have immediately taken the camera.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They would have had John Cena go in the ring.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And John Cena would have had to do some stuff, song and dance while they were tending to dumb outside.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But they did not do that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Instead, they brought two people there to kind of tend to him.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know what the one woman was doing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: She was like standing there and like looking at him.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then, but the camera was clearly on dumb.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And so that led to,

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[SPEAKER_01]: This is probably my favorite spot of the night, only because of how happy Roxanne seemed to be in this moment.

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[SPEAKER_01]: A childhood dream page, so Raquel gets seen up, body slam, Roxanne does the pop rocks.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And as she gets seen up, it's ready to do the pop rocks.

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[SPEAKER_01]: She cannot hide this joy in her face.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I love it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I was just like, man,

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[SPEAKER_01]: That is something there.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, that is just goodness right there.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Do you seem to does the the pop rocks goes along with it?

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[SPEAKER_01]: They get kicked out of the match.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And at that point, everybody was like, oh, they're getting kicked out.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So we are clearly getting live.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Now we're cool.

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[SPEAKER_01]: This is clearly happening.

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[SPEAKER_01]: didn't happen quite yet as we thought Dom was faking it so he got he the the women did the spots on seen it and allowed Dom to come in and frogs splash seen a the ref looks at Dom and he's like nope I'm not counting because you're being a dick you're trying to trick us and I was like that's a weird thing because the pop

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[SPEAKER_01]: isn't seen a kicking out the pop is not in the referee kicking the women out though there was a little bit of a pop but I was like you should just had seen a kick out and then you know the crowd would have would have went crazy but they didn't do it that way.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Dom was on his

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[SPEAKER_01]: uh and and Sina was stuck holding the boot uh hits the 619 frog splash for two as he's putting the boot back on Sina hits the AA I think some people thought that that was gonna be the finish it was not uh there was a ref bump Sina went to shoulder block Dom he moved out of the way he hit the ref then Finn and JD come out

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[SPEAKER_01]: uh... and that they do some stuff seen a seen it gets them both up in the a.a. and uh... i don't remember who who was the an answer who was talking about that that strength and i turned over to to date meltdowns watching would Dave and i was like uh... pretty sure the big shows uh... heavier than both of those two

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's a moment where John had put him in that movie.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He's like, yeah, these like those dudes together, like, max 360.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I was like, the, the, the, the visual of it is very impressive.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Seeing it gets in both AA drops in both.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then he hits Dom with the A-A, ref is down.

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[SPEAKER_01]: This one, Liv comes out, Liv comes out, Dom is so happy.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Then she slaps Dom, Dom takes a bump.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Then she jumps into Sina's arms.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He's kind of confused.

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[SPEAKER_01]: She's smiling and the camera's perfect on her.

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[SPEAKER_01]: She's smiling and then she gives the fit the bad girl face.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then she kicks John Lowe.

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[SPEAKER_01]: and gives him a belt shot and that's leads to Dom winning the match.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So that part of it was very entertaining.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It was like I said, the whole match is smoking mirrors.

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[SPEAKER_01]: This wasn't you know, necessarily the best wrestling match, but it was the one that I think kind of had the fan to eating out of their hands the most on this night.

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[SPEAKER_01]: What were overall your thoughts of the way it

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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, I, you tell about it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I, they had me, they were, I was eating out of their hands.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It's, I, I, I like the pride of myself looking I know it's about that.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I can see, all right, yeah, the, the fact that I, when he went for the hurricane round of spot and it hit his shoulders, I'm sitting in this chair.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, no, because I'm like, this is the one match.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm like, all right, I want, live to come back.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I want down, like, there were so many things I wanted to happen in this match.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And it, it, for a second,

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[SPEAKER_02]: because he, Dom is very good.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Dom is really on it that he was like, yeah, I can't move my arm like he's really playing the role and then when I saw him spring up, I'm like, all right, we're good, we're good money, we're good money, but I, I liked that.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I, it may have been a little for seeing his last PLE.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I appreciated that he got to do like it was a,

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[SPEAKER_02]: Stu, when I guess Stu's son was working with him, you know, before he went out to the ring, that was going, he was slapping hands with all the fans and doing all that stuff in Alicia Taylor.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Anytime I get to see her with that intro, it was always amazing.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But this was really a Dominic Mysterio, San Diego, live Morgan reunion, you know, storyline.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And, you know, it's

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[SPEAKER_02]: feel like John Cena knows that he should be doing as the OG, as the Elder Statesman on his way out.

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[SPEAKER_02]: If you have an opportunity where we book your grand slam champion, but your next PLE, your last PLE can be in your current opponent's hometown, and there's a lot that can be riding on making this person, you know, get put on that pedestal.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You heard the way they were chatting for Dom, you do it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: He knows what he's doing.

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[SPEAKER_02]: He wasn't even caring about any of that judgment day stuff.

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[SPEAKER_02]: He's talking to the camera like, hey, man, we got one more left.

54:17.968 --> 54:19.290
[SPEAKER_02]: He was soaking in the moment.

54:19.330 --> 54:20.912
[SPEAKER_02]: He wasn't worried about that stuff.

54:21.672 --> 54:33.306
[SPEAKER_02]: It was, I saw Fernando in the chat and say, it was my match to the night as well, but I think it's because of a lot of that stuff, not necessarily because of it being like a, oh, 100% well, Russell matched.

54:33.366 --> 54:35.168
[SPEAKER_02]: Like what they need to do to get what they need to do.

54:36.194 --> 54:38.659
[SPEAKER_01]: kill a thoughts on on scene and dumb.

54:39.401 --> 54:41.284
[SPEAKER_01]: It was a beautiful overbooked mess.

54:41.886 --> 54:43.509
[SPEAKER_00]: Dom, the fest fan.

54:43.890 --> 54:46.696
[SPEAKER_00]: Listen, we knew it was a rib and it was a work.

54:46.996 --> 54:51.946
[SPEAKER_00]: But listen, the way he landed had to be horrified him on the ground.

54:51.966 --> 54:53.570
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, oh my god, my call a bone.

54:53.690 --> 54:54.692
[SPEAKER_00]: It's like, I can't.

54:55.162 --> 54:55.843
[SPEAKER_00]: It hurts.

54:56.103 --> 55:01.428
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh my god, a kid moved like it was so convincing until you realize when ever he says we need help.

55:01.488 --> 55:03.149
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, okay, now this is not real.

55:03.390 --> 55:04.551
[SPEAKER_00]: Need a medic.

55:04.571 --> 55:05.231
[SPEAKER_00]: I need a medic.

55:05.311 --> 55:07.133
[SPEAKER_00]: We need to help versus throw the ex.

55:07.153 --> 55:08.775
[SPEAKER_00]: So let's call the match all right.

55:09.155 --> 55:15.541
[SPEAKER_00]: But then like when Raquel and Roxanne got into the ring mind you, why would you get in the ring with your guys down?

55:15.561 --> 55:20.205
[SPEAKER_00]: You're not providing any kind of medical care for your partner, for your team member.

55:20.666 --> 55:23.008
[SPEAKER_00]: And then like Roxanne was like the happiest person.

55:22.988 --> 55:28.828
[SPEAKER_00]: in the world to hit a move on our hero, one of our heroes in wrestling was incredible.

55:29.290 --> 55:31.176
[SPEAKER_00]: And then lives return.

55:31.409 --> 55:32.310
[SPEAKER_00]: It was expected.

55:32.451 --> 55:38.961
[SPEAKER_00]: I think that people thought she was going to come back around the warrior rumble, but she exceeded expectations in terms of rehab, which is fantastic.

55:39.722 --> 55:47.034
[SPEAKER_00]: But what I'm looking for it to now is every Monday night, the tension field judgment day segments.

55:47.194 --> 55:47.635
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yes.

55:47.815 --> 55:49.958
[SPEAKER_00]: No one is going to get along with each other.

55:49.978 --> 55:59.273
[SPEAKER_00]: And I just wonder at this point how long

55:59.253 --> 56:08.766
[SPEAKER_00]: Are they really going to stick with him being a heal because you know this whole judgment day thing is going to implode at some point and how they're going to do it.

56:08.786 --> 56:09.827
[SPEAKER_00]: Are they going to turn Finn?

56:09.847 --> 56:11.189
[SPEAKER_00]: Are they going to turn Roxanne?

56:11.509 --> 56:12.811
[SPEAKER_00]: Are they going to turn Dom and live?

56:12.831 --> 56:20.822
[SPEAKER_00]: It can go in any direction, but I do hope they don't miss the peak of getting a baby face down over in a big way.

56:20.903 --> 56:31.535
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, when Liv or when Roxanne first came into the to the judgment day side, I was like, Oh, this is going to be interesting.

56:31.575 --> 56:34.478
[SPEAKER_01]: Her and Liv are kind of going to get on each other's nerves.

56:34.518 --> 56:40.826
[SPEAKER_01]: She's going to kind of go behind Liv's back and try and get down to tension and and that that's going to be a feud coming out of that.

56:41.206 --> 56:44.590
[SPEAKER_01]: Then when Liv got hurt, it seems like they put a pause on that.

56:45.391 --> 56:50.016
[SPEAKER_01]: So I think we have to think that Liv hasn't watched any.

56:49.996 --> 56:59.979
[SPEAKER_01]: She's been gone in order for her to be okay with this, or maybe she's really the smartest one out of everybody and she's kind of setting up the downfall.

57:00.220 --> 57:07.296
[SPEAKER_01]: They can go, they can go with it a couple different ways, but yeah, this is it gives us.

57:07.360 --> 57:16.233
[SPEAKER_01]: a little bit longer with this with these folks because ultimately you we know what these these all these folks are all set up to do it's that they're set up to implode.

57:16.694 --> 57:19.638
[SPEAKER_01]: But we kind of like hanging out with them every Monday night.

57:19.898 --> 57:25.707
[SPEAKER_01]: There's still some of my favorite segments on the show.

57:26.716 --> 57:40.007
[SPEAKER_01]: Rest in peace to the character of Carlito, but like I want to see what happens, but I don't want to see it too soon because I still enjoy them and I still want to see them.

57:40.248 --> 57:45.400
[SPEAKER_01]: I still want to be like that's one of the segments I look forward to every every time I watch raw.

57:45.380 --> 58:02.460
[SPEAKER_02]: I think I don't know if Paul Hayme was talking about women segments in his infomercial comment, but I will say, I didn't mention it earlier, but this may have been an infomercial segment, because my thought was after the match.

58:02.440 --> 58:08.767
[SPEAKER_02]: my thought has always been that it's a dom going baby face is going to be him leaving the judgment day.

58:09.068 --> 58:09.368
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes.

58:09.568 --> 58:16.216
[SPEAKER_02]: I could told I I addition a rock sand in the judgment day is perfect for live Morgan.

58:16.236 --> 58:20.962
[SPEAKER_02]: You can run that match at WrestleMania and I think Roxanne deserves a singles match again.

58:20.982 --> 58:29.832
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh yeah, you know somebody like a live Morgan at WrestleMania just the the intrigue alone the being able to do all the press and everything that's going to be really amazing for our

58:29.812 --> 58:46.015
[SPEAKER_02]: I think you get a situation where a WrestleMania Dom and live split from the judgment day, but then the baby face turn, maybe at the summer slam because they linked up at some slam to do the thing is Dom finally leaving live and that's him turning baby face.

58:45.995 --> 58:47.596
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know what you do it live after that.

58:47.837 --> 58:49.478
[SPEAKER_02]: You can probably do whatever you want with her.

58:49.498 --> 59:01.409
[SPEAKER_02]: They seem to be very big on putting her in everything, but I think that may be heck, because he's gonna have to get away from judgment day, which is kind of the story that they've been telling in the interim, but it's really his association with live there.

59:01.789 --> 59:11.217
[SPEAKER_02]: They're great for each other, but it's like the Joker and Harley Quinn and a certain point, like it's too toxic for them to do anything that's gonna be of any benefit.

59:11.237 --> 59:14.500
[SPEAKER_02]: Especially if you want, Dom's gonna be a star for a while,

59:14.480 --> 59:18.304
[SPEAKER_02]: He's going to have to get that baby face run to really sit set that off.

59:18.405 --> 59:18.665
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

59:18.885 --> 59:22.089
[SPEAKER_01]: And you know what, it's going to, we all know it's going to happen.

59:22.770 --> 59:34.023
[SPEAKER_01]: And the longer that they can, like Kila said before, you know, so that they don't miss the peak, they can, they can extend it as much as possible, but they do have to do it.

59:34.063 --> 59:36.125
[SPEAKER_01]: You can't just keep extending it.

59:36.806 --> 59:41.331
[SPEAKER_01]: I love this version of Dom, but it'll, it'll get a little tired.

59:41.311 --> 59:46.236
[SPEAKER_01]: And then hopefully, hopefully they will do it before it does that.

59:46.296 --> 01:00:02.611
[SPEAKER_01]: So, Salvin 11 said he thinks this is the beginning of a face turn for Dom and live together, a shout out to Salvin 11 in the chat, and then Brad will get to this in a second, but I wanted to throw Brad's comment up.

01:00:03.772 --> 01:00:10.558
[SPEAKER_01]: Something we talked about earlier, he's tired of hearing Austin theory as the

01:00:10.538 --> 01:00:13.224
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know if there are other theories.

01:00:13.284 --> 01:00:17.815
[SPEAKER_01]: What other theories, um, somebody said immediately Randy Orton.

01:00:17.835 --> 01:00:20.782
[SPEAKER_01]: I was like, nope, that brings her to Randy Orton.

01:00:21.163 --> 01:00:25.172
[SPEAKER_01]: Sir, and Randy Orton is not climbing over no cage.

01:00:25.962 --> 01:00:29.589
[SPEAKER_00]: You listen, no thick thighs that was not ranked.

01:00:29.609 --> 01:00:31.432
[SPEAKER_00]: No, not at all.

01:00:31.532 --> 01:00:32.754
[SPEAKER_02]: It's so grand in American.

01:00:32.774 --> 01:00:33.816
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm telling you, I'm telling you.

01:00:33.836 --> 01:00:34.097
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

01:00:34.217 --> 01:00:35.419
[SPEAKER_02]: I'll run in five.

01:00:35.579 --> 01:00:36.601
[SPEAKER_00]: I'll run in five.

01:00:37.864 --> 01:00:38.585
[SPEAKER_01]: Could have been for sure.

01:00:39.527 --> 01:00:40.188
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.

01:00:40.268 --> 01:00:42.211
[SPEAKER_01]: So now we get to this.

01:00:42.272 --> 01:00:47.481
[SPEAKER_01]: This match is so interesting to me because Stephanie Vaker and Nikki Bella.

01:00:48.592 --> 01:01:16.810
[SPEAKER_01]: I saw some people say that they liked the match, I saw a lot of moments in this match where I wasn't exactly sure what was going on like was that a screw up or were they just not in the same page like there was a couple moments like that and I was kind of waiting for something

01:01:17.347 --> 01:01:20.933
[SPEAKER_01]: And then Stephanie just flat out beats her right in the middle.

01:01:20.973 --> 01:01:23.096
[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm like, OK, well, where do we go from here?

01:01:23.136 --> 01:01:34.114
[SPEAKER_01]: Not that I thought we were going to get the return of Bree or whatever, like, but I thought we were going to get like a heal Nikki doing something.

01:01:34.154 --> 01:01:37.600
[SPEAKER_01]: And it was just not it was just like.

01:01:37.748 --> 01:01:38.209
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.

01:01:38.249 --> 01:01:47.219
[SPEAKER_01]: There was no moments to where I was like, wow, okay, we're setting up like Stephanie's got to come from but, you know, do this and do that and it just, it was just kind of a match.

01:01:47.379 --> 01:02:02.997
[SPEAKER_01]: So I don't, I don't know what the purpose of it was I'm not sure where this leaves Nikki because I've been, I've been pro Nikki's come back because I think, you know, you've all, you can bring back all these old dudes, right?

01:02:03.162 --> 01:02:09.788
[SPEAKER_01]: And the only woman that they generally usually bring back is, it's Trish and, you know, Trish has been fantastic.

01:02:10.048 --> 01:02:15.033
[SPEAKER_01]: So I was like, okay, you've got the opportunity to bring back Nikki who was a giant star.

01:02:15.854 --> 01:02:20.178
[SPEAKER_01]: And I just thought, man, you know, so far, it has been a little bland.

01:02:20.258 --> 01:02:21.339
[SPEAKER_01]: Her character's not over.

01:02:21.399 --> 01:02:23.601
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, Turner Hill, that's really smart.

01:02:24.181 --> 01:02:25.322
[SPEAKER_01]: And then she comes out tonight.

01:02:25.462 --> 01:02:27.905
[SPEAKER_01]: And I didn't think the audience really cared that much.

01:02:27.945 --> 01:02:32.629
[SPEAKER_01]: So it was kind of unfortunate

01:02:32.609 --> 01:02:36.254
[SPEAKER_01]: But I didn't I don't sense that it worked at least for this crowd.

01:02:36.595 --> 01:02:41.862
[SPEAKER_01]: And then when you have Stephanie just pin her Devils kiss and corkscrew splash for the win.

01:02:41.882 --> 01:02:47.491
[SPEAKER_01]: I guess, you know, Nikki did have the pin on her after the rack attack where Stephanie got her foot on the rope.

01:02:48.532 --> 01:02:48.913
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.

01:02:48.933 --> 01:02:51.977
[SPEAKER_01]: I just was kind of wondering like what was the whole reason for this match.

01:02:52.037 --> 01:02:52.558
[SPEAKER_01]: Kila.

01:02:52.538 --> 01:03:05.468
[SPEAKER_01]: I know you and Scott talked a lot about this over the past several weeks, but what was your expectation for what they're doing with Nicky and then what was your feeling after the match was over?

01:03:06.055 --> 01:03:09.301
[SPEAKER_00]: I want to preface this by saying I like Nikki Bella.

01:03:09.561 --> 01:03:24.587
[SPEAKER_00]: I think that she's overheated on social media completely, but this run has been underwhelming and this turn is curious, especially when you just brought back Liv Morgan.

01:03:24.567 --> 01:03:28.754
[SPEAKER_00]: who they were setting up to feed with her at evolution before a lives injury.

01:03:29.155 --> 01:03:36.227
[SPEAKER_00]: So now I wonder, well, who's going to be turning to reignite that for you to if you decide to go back to and now I'm confused.

01:03:36.328 --> 01:03:37.470
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know what you're going to do.

01:03:38.191 --> 01:03:40.635
[SPEAKER_00]: Ask for the match with Stephanie.

01:03:41.324 --> 01:03:47.151
[SPEAKER_00]: It just felt like they were on different pages at times, like things and really flow the way it should have.

01:03:47.171 --> 01:03:50.155
[SPEAKER_00]: I think they kind of pool things together towards the end.

01:03:50.215 --> 01:03:54.741
[SPEAKER_00]: But after the prior match with Sina and Dominic, they were in a dead spot.

01:03:55.001 --> 01:03:56.683
[SPEAKER_00]: And the crowd was kind of out of it.

01:03:57.043 --> 01:04:00.347
[SPEAKER_00]: Nikki wasn't believable as a challenger to beat Stephanie.

01:04:00.367 --> 01:04:01.489
[SPEAKER_00]: The fans love Stephanie.

01:04:01.949 --> 01:04:03.231
[SPEAKER_00]: But.

01:04:03.211 --> 01:04:07.700
[SPEAKER_00]: she needs someone that can match her energy that can match her work rate.

01:04:08.181 --> 01:04:10.726
[SPEAKER_00]: And unfortunately, Nikki isn't that person.

01:04:10.786 --> 01:04:13.291
[SPEAKER_00]: I think that Nikki needs her sister.

01:04:13.351 --> 01:04:18.742
[SPEAKER_00]: Whatever barrier and I know it probably has her husband because he works for the opposition.

01:04:19.143 --> 01:04:20.325
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't care.

01:04:20.305 --> 01:04:24.131
[SPEAKER_00]: Sign her because a Bella twins run.

01:04:24.151 --> 01:04:24.231
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.

01:04:24.751 --> 01:04:27.055
[SPEAKER_00]: What help Nikki a lot.

01:04:27.435 --> 01:04:28.537
[SPEAKER_00]: She feels lost.

01:04:28.597 --> 01:04:30.800
[SPEAKER_00]: Her sister bring me back.

01:04:31.321 --> 01:04:36.969
[SPEAKER_00]: Have them have a tag team title run for the road and just call it a day.

01:04:37.009 --> 01:04:38.812
[SPEAKER_00]: Because the singles run with Nikki.

01:04:39.373 --> 01:04:40.835
[SPEAKER_00]: It isn't landing for me.

01:04:40.855 --> 01:04:42.217
[SPEAKER_00]: I hate to say it.

01:04:42.557 --> 01:04:47.224
[SPEAKER_00]: I just think that right now in the air and which we're in.

01:04:47.204 --> 01:04:53.599
[SPEAKER_00]: She's getting lost in a lot of good people that she just can't measure up to right now.

01:04:53.859 --> 01:04:54.721
[SPEAKER_00]: And it's not a fault.

01:04:54.761 --> 01:04:58.530
[SPEAKER_00]: It's just unfortunately some people are simply better.

01:04:59.894 --> 01:05:06.644
[SPEAKER_01]: the athleticism and the expectation for women's matches today is very high.

01:05:06.684 --> 01:05:17.920
[SPEAKER_01]: Nikki has always been a hard worker, so not to say that she can't get there, but it's almost like the crowd.

01:05:18.406 --> 01:05:21.755
[SPEAKER_01]: It doesn't want to be patient with her at the same time.

01:05:21.795 --> 01:05:26.428
[SPEAKER_01]: So that's kind of a little hard when they don't react to anything.

01:05:26.749 --> 01:05:31.943
[SPEAKER_01]: And I think the one way that they could have done this and Cal, I want to get your thoughts on this.

01:05:32.513 --> 01:05:53.155
[SPEAKER_01]: Why didn't she just go very devilish heel cheating like this match should have been her cheating and trying to win the match by nothing but cheating being a heel getting the rough, you know, doing just underhanded stuff to drew by any means necessary win this match, but that didn't happen either.

01:05:53.135 --> 01:05:55.900
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I'm glad that she went heal.

01:05:55.980 --> 01:06:01.410
[SPEAKER_02]: Once you, because I'm not a baby face Nikki Bella, it's not worth it for me.

01:06:01.430 --> 01:06:03.795
[SPEAKER_02]: Some of her best stuff in her career has been healed.

01:06:04.396 --> 01:06:11.288
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't, but I think we may be looking at like the true difference of the era.

01:06:11.329 --> 01:06:15.396
[SPEAKER_02]: Like we're seeing a, we're at a time where I'm,

01:06:15.376 --> 01:06:25.356
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't want to speak for anybody, but like I'm more invested in the women on the card than I've ever been, and it's it's because their matches are just better a lot of the time.

01:06:25.377 --> 01:06:27.822
[SPEAKER_02]: Especially in the WWE when they get to really work.

01:06:28.703 --> 01:06:30.988
[SPEAKER_02]: But we're at a time we're seeing like.

01:06:30.968 --> 01:06:35.517
[SPEAKER_02]: an amazing crop of women doing amazing, you know, matches and work.

01:06:35.978 --> 01:06:45.796
[SPEAKER_02]: At a time where AJ Lee, who like was at the beginning of, you know, that her and and pays being the beginning of that type of work in WWE, starting to get pushed.

01:06:45.816 --> 01:06:48.842
[SPEAKER_02]: They were still having eight minute matches, but they were trying.

01:06:48.822 --> 01:06:54.749
[SPEAKER_02]: Nikki Bella was the the air that they were trying to move out up to where we are now.

01:06:54.829 --> 01:07:17.597
[SPEAKER_02]: So it's weird that like you can kind of see with all of these women, especially on this card where some people are, and you know, Nikki's got the character and Nikki can bring the heel, but when that bell rings, it's it's not the same as a Tiffany strad or you know, whoever you want to then ask, whoever you want to name on the card who can get in there really work with the Stephanie by care.

01:07:17.577 --> 01:07:20.922
[SPEAKER_02]: and there are some killers coming up too.

01:07:20.942 --> 01:07:36.585
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, it's it's it's it's rough, but like you said, you know, if the hardy boys can come back and yeah, and hold two and three titles at one time and have these runs and there's talk of them possibly going to WWE when this DNA contract is done.

01:07:37.586 --> 01:07:38.948
[SPEAKER_02]: Do it with the bellotwins.

01:07:38.988 --> 01:07:42.353
[SPEAKER_02]: There's two I know too many people

01:07:42.333 --> 01:07:45.059
[SPEAKER_02]: wrestling fans in general who say total divas.

01:07:45.540 --> 01:07:52.075
[SPEAKER_02]: I was cool at wrestling, but like that show is landmark for me getting into wrestling where I am right now.

01:07:52.095 --> 01:07:57.608
[SPEAKER_02]: So you kind of have to honor a legion of fans by doing that.

01:07:57.588 --> 01:07:59.831
[SPEAKER_02]: God damn, A.W.

01:07:59.851 --> 01:08:01.894
[SPEAKER_02]: Traveller is some nonsense.

01:08:02.114 --> 01:08:02.695
[SPEAKER_02]: I know.

01:08:02.875 --> 01:08:03.196
[SPEAKER_02]: It sucks.

01:08:03.296 --> 01:08:04.537
[SPEAKER_02]: It sucks.

01:08:04.597 --> 01:08:05.419
[SPEAKER_02]: It's just stuff like that.

01:08:05.579 --> 01:08:06.400
[SPEAKER_02]: It should be easy.

01:08:06.440 --> 01:08:07.201
[SPEAKER_02]: It should be easy.

01:08:07.221 --> 01:08:07.942
[SPEAKER_00]: It should be easy.

01:08:07.982 --> 01:08:08.703
[SPEAKER_00]: It's slam dunk.

01:08:08.723 --> 01:08:10.926
[SPEAKER_00]: It's like, what are we doing?

01:08:11.266 --> 01:08:12.148
[SPEAKER_00]: Sign Bree.

01:08:12.168 --> 01:08:14.110
[SPEAKER_00]: She goes to every freaking show.

01:08:14.150 --> 01:08:16.493
[SPEAKER_00]: She does a podcast or sister.

01:08:16.794 --> 01:08:17.775
[SPEAKER_00]: You have W.W.

01:08:17.795 --> 01:08:20.219
[SPEAKER_00]: Talent on that podcast is not like an embargo.

01:08:20.639 --> 01:08:21.861
[SPEAKER_00]: Just sign Bree.

01:08:22.061 --> 01:08:23.102
[SPEAKER_00]: Just stop playing.

01:08:23.122 --> 01:08:24.304
[SPEAKER_00]: Stop playing.

01:08:24.284 --> 01:08:34.648
[SPEAKER_01]: I, I, I would guess that that is the next logical step if you still want to invest in the Niki character.

01:08:35.050 --> 01:08:55.337
[SPEAKER_01]: there is still something there they just have to untapped and this is where it comes to creative this is where you know do you want to invest in the women's storylines as much as you want to invest in the men's storylines you keep telling us that you do but what we see on the television doesn't really equate to that so

01:08:55.317 --> 01:08:57.660
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, hopefully they hopefully they configure this one.

01:08:57.700 --> 01:09:00.423
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, he got three damn hours of smack down now.

01:09:00.843 --> 01:09:05.949
[SPEAKER_01]: That show should be half half women segments, like really, and there's no reason why it shouldn't be.

01:09:06.069 --> 01:09:08.051
[SPEAKER_01]: So there's there's opportunity there.

01:09:08.071 --> 01:09:10.794
[SPEAKER_01]: I think they just need to invest and they need to get creative.

01:09:10.814 --> 01:09:15.639
[SPEAKER_01]: And they can't just continue going down the old tropes of what normally works.

01:09:15.699 --> 01:09:18.522
[SPEAKER_01]: Cause this audience is telling them, we're not we're not good with this.

01:09:18.562 --> 01:09:20.304
[SPEAKER_01]: So let's let's figure out something else.

01:09:20.725 --> 01:09:20.925
[SPEAKER_01]: All right.

01:09:20.945 --> 01:09:21.966
[SPEAKER_01]: Made of it.

01:09:22.047 --> 01:09:23.129
[SPEAKER_01]: The men's war games.

01:09:24.351 --> 01:09:29.179
[SPEAKER_01]: C. M. Punk is out first with Braun breaker and I thought, huh, C. M. Punk is out first.

01:09:29.740 --> 01:09:35.650
[SPEAKER_01]: I wonder why and I thought, okay, not going to be Jay, because that brother gets too tired.

01:09:37.073 --> 01:09:37.193
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.

01:09:37.213 --> 01:09:44.105
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, not going to be Jimmy because he is not the one that's going to get the crazy reaction for being first.

01:09:44.666 --> 01:09:44.786
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.

01:09:44.806 --> 01:09:46.148
[SPEAKER_01]: And of course, not going to be

01:09:46.128 --> 01:09:47.470
[SPEAKER_01]: It could have been Cody actually.

01:09:47.490 --> 01:09:54.060
[SPEAKER_01]: It could have been either Cody or punk, but then it wasn't going to be Roman for sure because Roman was going to be last no matter what.

01:09:55.242 --> 01:09:58.728
[SPEAKER_01]: So it's like, okay, I get it punk first to that that's fine.

01:09:59.088 --> 01:10:02.213
[SPEAKER_01]: And then on the other side, I was like, oh, Brian, break very interesting.

01:10:02.193 --> 01:10:15.505
[SPEAKER_01]: And I was like, well, if there's anybody that has a gas tank on that side, it's brown breaker and that so that made some sense and then if what we are sort of led to believe is the case based on the booking of this match.

01:10:15.525 --> 01:10:24.493
[SPEAKER_01]: If they do get into something as we head towards WrestleMania, we got a little bit of like a preview of that in this match by them being the first two guys.

01:10:24.954 --> 01:10:31.980
[SPEAKER_01]: So pretty, I thought it was pretty good start to this match.

01:10:32.146 --> 01:10:36.854
[SPEAKER_01]: I thought, you know, it's like Drew shouldn't be first because he has to be the one to get the advantage.

01:10:36.894 --> 01:10:38.237
[SPEAKER_01]: He's the chicken shit heel.

01:10:38.958 --> 01:10:42.304
[SPEAKER_01]: This is perfect for Drew to come in, he came in second.

01:10:42.584 --> 01:10:45.049
[SPEAKER_01]: And of course, then you bring in Cody.

01:10:45.069 --> 01:10:49.436
[SPEAKER_01]: So I thought the booking and of the the order was really smart.

01:10:51.119 --> 01:10:53.243
[SPEAKER_01]: Did you get what do you guys think about?

01:10:54.607 --> 01:10:56.369
[SPEAKER_01]: two guys got blood in this match.

01:10:57.431 --> 01:10:58.312
[SPEAKER_01]: First was punk.

01:10:58.853 --> 01:11:03.258
[SPEAKER_01]: I couldn't actually tell I wasn't really looking that closely because I didn't think he was actually going to bleed.

01:11:03.919 --> 01:11:10.268
[SPEAKER_01]: There was a moment where they raked his face against the cage and then I think it was Drew maybe scraped his finger nails on his head or something.

01:11:10.708 --> 01:11:17.978
[SPEAKER_01]: Somebody did that and then Cody had the busted eye from from the previous angle and then that got bloodied.

01:11:18.438 --> 01:11:18.859
[SPEAKER_01]: But

01:11:19.531 --> 01:11:21.574
[SPEAKER_01]: we they for it being war games.

01:11:21.634 --> 01:11:26.380
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't this is the first time we've ever had blood and war games since they brought the matchback.

01:11:26.420 --> 01:11:27.321
[SPEAKER_01]: I was trying to remember.

01:11:28.303 --> 01:11:41.640
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, again, to talk about war games being safe this year, I think it's kind of, that's the one thing, it's notorious WWE is not big on visual visible blood these days.

01:11:41.620 --> 01:12:03.593
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm glad they stopped making things black and white on the WWE vault, but yeah, it is interesting because I mean, Cody's mark was very visible, you know, from, you know, for the last couple of weeks or what I have you went up, I guess they were talking about the blood feud between CM Punk and Drew, so it made sense and he bled, but, you know, like you said, that was kind of it.

01:12:03.673 --> 01:12:07.138
[SPEAKER_02]: They didn't really bother with anybody else, but it's,

01:12:08.266 --> 01:12:12.112
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm glad that Blood and God's lives up to the name of it.

01:12:12.132 --> 01:12:16.659
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, at least one of these fights can be because this is not war games at all.

01:12:16.779 --> 01:12:20.825
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know if they're going in with like, you know, actual tactical thinking.

01:12:20.845 --> 01:12:21.245
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

01:12:21.265 --> 01:12:31.641
[SPEAKER_02]: They're just in their fighting, but, you know, if you want to see the real carnage, you know, they do it free on TV or wherever I'm, what you got to pay to watch at these days, yeah, over on the other side.

01:12:31.621 --> 01:12:49.748
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, the the carnage of both the men's and the women's match a drastic difference from what we were getting in in this match, which was like just a bunch of spots to kind of, you know, move along whatever the stories that they were telling.

01:12:49.728 --> 01:13:07.534
[SPEAKER_01]: So then after that, we got and I really want to get keyless thoughts once about the J stuff, but so this is where they do a doomsday device in Braun Falls right on his head and I'm not saying like,

01:13:08.122 --> 01:13:21.224
[SPEAKER_01]: When you when you fake that spot in the other match that this is like bad luck to do it because it could happen in a route but that was immediately what I thought was like man Like this stuff could really happen and you're kind of faking it in one and then it's going to happen.

01:13:21.925 --> 01:13:25.031
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, brawn it seems like he was okay.

01:13:25.592 --> 01:13:31.682
[SPEAKER_01]: He is a maniac so even if he wasn't, you know, he he.

01:13:31.662 --> 01:13:40.562
[SPEAKER_01]: Just got that giant neck and I hope he I hope that he's good because he is about to go on a crazy run here over these this year and in the next year.

01:13:40.623 --> 01:13:43.589
[SPEAKER_01]: I think so cross my fingers for brown that he's okay.

01:13:44.371 --> 01:13:46.937
[SPEAKER_01]: So Logan Paul comes in next.

01:13:47.693 --> 01:13:59.981
[SPEAKER_01]: Uh, he and Cody go to the top of the cage and just sit down and start throwing punches and I realized, uh, Logan was in the wrong spot because he had to scoot his butt over like two feet to get next to Cody, which I thought was kind of funny.

01:14:01.405 --> 01:14:03.289
[SPEAKER_01]: Jimmy who so is in next.

01:14:03.269 --> 01:14:06.596
[SPEAKER_01]: And here's where I'm like, okay, Jimmy used to the smart one.

01:14:06.696 --> 01:14:07.858
[SPEAKER_01]: He brings a table in.

01:14:07.918 --> 01:14:10.042
[SPEAKER_01]: It's like, yeah, finally brings in a weapon.

01:14:10.584 --> 01:14:14.211
[SPEAKER_01]: Bronson Reed comes in next immediately hits three tsunamis.

01:14:15.193 --> 01:14:15.473
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.

01:14:15.493 --> 01:14:17.097
[SPEAKER_01]: And so that was a pretty good spot.

01:14:17.778 --> 01:14:18.980
[SPEAKER_01]: And then J comes in.

01:14:19.702 --> 01:14:20.383
[SPEAKER_01]: So.

01:14:21.022 --> 01:14:23.407
[SPEAKER_01]: One of the thoughts was that Jay was going to come in first.

01:14:23.427 --> 01:14:30.401
[SPEAKER_01]: So he could do his, do the song and do the eats and, and everything, play the music a hundred times, that didn't happen.

01:14:30.681 --> 01:14:37.716
[SPEAKER_01]: He comes in here, but then he cleans house, cleans house, all the heels are laying out.

01:14:38.437 --> 01:14:42.405
[SPEAKER_01]: And then he does the twirl to say, play my music again.

01:14:42.487 --> 01:14:47.776
[SPEAKER_01]: This man ran up the cage, Kila was eating with the crowd while the heels were down.

01:14:47.796 --> 01:15:01.018
[SPEAKER_01]: I gave everybody, you know, a good 30 seconds of breather time, but what was your thought, Kila on this, just eating in a war games match and playing the music again.

01:15:02.247 --> 01:15:20.138
[SPEAKER_00]: I wish there was a shark that would have jumped over the cage and that exact moment because I think we have reached our limit of the on-core when you are eating doing a war games match in progress in progress.

01:15:20.118 --> 01:15:22.903
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, what are we doing?

01:15:22.923 --> 01:15:25.367
[SPEAKER_00]: I am confused.

01:15:25.768 --> 01:15:31.478
[SPEAKER_00]: You hired a good, your blimp to showcase the audience during this 30-second intermission.

01:15:31.999 --> 01:15:35.365
[SPEAKER_00]: I laughed at the fact that even bought with a countdown clock.

01:15:35.645 --> 01:15:40.213
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, his music time blocks entrance, basically in the match.

01:15:40.875 --> 01:15:42.818
[SPEAKER_00]: I was like,

01:15:42.798 --> 01:15:44.119
[SPEAKER_00]: What are we doing?

01:15:44.600 --> 01:15:47.523
[SPEAKER_00]: This is now become parity and I'm scared.

01:15:47.543 --> 01:15:52.447
[SPEAKER_00]: And I need Jay to retire the eating.

01:15:52.928 --> 01:15:58.573
[SPEAKER_00]: I know it's very popular, but I will guarantee you in 2026, this will turn bad.

01:15:58.794 --> 01:16:00.195
[SPEAKER_00]: This will turn sour.

01:16:00.635 --> 01:16:03.959
[SPEAKER_00]: People would get tired and they will like, I've had my fill of this.

01:16:04.299 --> 01:16:07.342
[SPEAKER_01]: So this was my next question and Keely, you gave me your answer.

01:16:07.702 --> 01:16:10.425
[SPEAKER_01]: Cal, do you think that there is a chance?

01:16:10.405 --> 01:16:11.787
[SPEAKER_01]: that people get tired of it.

01:16:11.847 --> 01:16:16.652
[SPEAKER_01]: Like I saw, I'll tell you, I was at the second ever Netflix role.

01:16:16.672 --> 01:16:17.533
[SPEAKER_01]: I was in San Jose.

01:16:18.735 --> 01:16:26.544
[SPEAKER_01]: And I hadn't seen a line to get into this building since the attitude era.

01:16:26.744 --> 01:16:29.347
[SPEAKER_01]: That's how hot people were for this show.

01:16:29.888 --> 01:16:33.612
[SPEAKER_01]: So we go in, we're kind of walking around.

01:16:33.760 --> 01:16:39.170
[SPEAKER_01]: The J. Uso kid fan base was front and center.

01:16:40.313 --> 01:16:50.993
[SPEAKER_01]: And also, and I've told Kila this also, the non-rhythmic eating was at an apex too.

01:16:50.973 --> 01:16:53.097
[SPEAKER_01]: at this show makes sense.

01:16:53.918 --> 01:16:57.906
[SPEAKER_01]: But so I saw it when it was like, maybe it's hottest.

01:16:58.707 --> 01:17:05.439
[SPEAKER_01]: And now, you know, what happens a lot in wrestling, you just do it so much and much, much and you kill it.

01:17:05.740 --> 01:17:08.104
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, can you see this?

01:17:08.084 --> 01:17:15.139
[SPEAKER_01]: kind of getting old in 2026 to where the fans don't respond with like that Pavlovian response anymore.

01:17:15.660 --> 01:17:22.575
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I think I'm trying to, I'm sitting at the, did he, what was the eat situation during the rumble?

01:17:22.636 --> 01:17:27.426
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, the rumble he won the rumble, but did, was it a crazy eat?

01:17:27.963 --> 01:17:40.819
[SPEAKER_02]: Celebration to the ring or because I remember he had the white on he had the did he have the Flowers on it for I forget what it was, but I feel like he may have ran to the ring I don't know if he if it was a long eat situation.

01:17:41.100 --> 01:17:49.971
[SPEAKER_02]: I think once he does the eat in the rumble And the eats in the survivor series like all the all the places you can possibly eat

01:17:49.951 --> 01:17:55.418
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it should be over, but no, I mean, in all seriousness, the way people have been talking about J.U.

01:17:55.438 --> 01:18:01.125
[SPEAKER_02]: So over the summer, I feel like they're ready for it to be the crowds are the crowds aren't ready for it.

01:18:01.185 --> 01:18:03.869
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, there's going hard with that.

01:18:03.909 --> 01:18:09.075
[SPEAKER_02]: And on TV in the arena, those kids can't wait to start eating with J.U.

01:18:09.095 --> 01:18:10.457
[SPEAKER_02]: So in Jimmy, but, uh,

01:18:10.437 --> 01:18:33.198
[SPEAKER_02]: I think online, and it's eerily enough, I don't let LA night get to the position people want in to get to because going to these shows all I would hear leaving is, yeah, like it was, and those are the two guys that wanted to win the money in the bank, and at a certain point, they're going to turn on them to it's going to happen.

01:18:34.739 --> 01:18:39.904
[SPEAKER_02]: When, I don't know, I wonder Jay's going to want to initiate it.

01:18:39.884 --> 01:19:02.886
[SPEAKER_00]: I think he's going to initiate it because he realizes like we're hitting the bubble and thankfully for him there's a delay between the live crowds still loving him and the internet crowd hating him until the live audience stops buying the merch and stop eating he's good but he has to know ahead of time his expiration date because he knows it's coming.

01:19:03.067 --> 01:19:08.592
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, he's a heel turn though, right?

01:19:08.572 --> 01:19:13.249
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, these guys were behind me and you're not behind me.

01:19:13.803 --> 01:19:18.247
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, you want to know what the best one was like from yesterday.

01:19:19.368 --> 01:19:21.210
[SPEAKER_01]: Enzo in big cast.

01:19:22.271 --> 01:19:24.693
[SPEAKER_01]: I remember WrestleMania weekend.

01:19:25.514 --> 01:19:27.936
[SPEAKER_01]: I think I left the NXT show.

01:19:27.956 --> 01:19:32.660
[SPEAKER_01]: The famous NXT show where Vince McMahon was like, Oh, yeah, women's wrestling.

01:19:32.820 --> 01:19:43.810
[SPEAKER_01]: It can work even though he's like, how many years behind the perfect I walk out of that small building at my alma mater,

01:19:43.790 --> 01:19:52.095
[SPEAKER_01]: and there's like three or four ciphers going on where people are just doing the enzo in big cast.

01:19:52.897 --> 01:19:53.800
[SPEAKER_01]: Like

01:19:54.067 --> 01:19:58.691
[SPEAKER_01]: Just like it like third of those trying to imp like it was just wild like wow.

01:19:58.751 --> 01:20:16.106
[SPEAKER_01]: This is really happening and then you know soon thereafter It wasn't happening as much, but the eating has It has some staying power for sure and WWE can usually not keep things going like this and I got to give them credit.

01:20:16.246 --> 01:20:19.869
[SPEAKER_01]: We're coming up on like almost a year of this.

01:20:19.949 --> 01:20:24.073
[SPEAKER_01]: So we'll see how much longer they can do it, but

01:20:24.053 --> 01:20:28.362
[SPEAKER_01]: credit to them to because, you know, Jay is a star.

01:20:28.543 --> 01:20:35.017
[SPEAKER_01]: He may not be the, he may not be the kind of the chosen one, like some of those other guys.

01:20:35.457 --> 01:20:43.214
[SPEAKER_01]: But when it comes to someone who's kind of built themselves and created something, you got to give him a ton of credit for it.

01:20:43.234 --> 01:20:44.577
[SPEAKER_01]: So I agree.

01:20:44.708 --> 01:20:52.985
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, so then like Kila said, Brock Lesnar's music played, then Brock comes in and he cleans house.

01:20:54.367 --> 01:21:04.287
[SPEAKER_01]: But he before so as he so he kills everybody and he knows everyone knows Roman is coming in last and so Brock steps out of the cage.

01:21:04.267 --> 01:21:12.305
[SPEAKER_01]: And they had told us that if you left the cage during war games, that the match was over, or you lost, or whatever.

01:21:12.345 --> 01:21:18.478
[SPEAKER_01]: And so they were very clear to say, well, that's only if the match beyond begins.

01:21:18.538 --> 01:21:22.306
[SPEAKER_01]: Like right now, the match hasn't so broad could go chase Roman.

01:21:22.326 --> 01:21:22.647
[SPEAKER_01]: I was like,

01:21:22.627 --> 01:21:25.874
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, like maybe you're making it up as it goes, but so what?

01:21:26.355 --> 01:21:28.940
[SPEAKER_01]: So Brock and Roman, they do their thing.

01:21:29.281 --> 01:21:31.405
[SPEAKER_01]: Roman hits like three Superman punches.

01:21:31.465 --> 01:21:34.852
[SPEAKER_01]: He's going for the fourth Brock catches him F5 into the table.

01:21:35.413 --> 01:21:37.918
[SPEAKER_01]: Romans out of, you know, Roman goes through the table.

01:21:38.059 --> 01:21:40.163
[SPEAKER_01]: So that's how they start this thing.

01:21:40.598 --> 01:21:45.104
[SPEAKER_01]: So, you know, they're going through the rest of this match.

01:21:46.305 --> 01:21:47.927
[SPEAKER_01]: Punk has the match one.

01:21:47.947 --> 01:21:51.672
[SPEAKER_01]: It looks like, but then the pin is broken up.

01:21:51.692 --> 01:21:57.400
[SPEAKER_01]: I couldn't actually tell who broke it up because then we saw the mask, the mask guy with the in all black.

01:21:58.201 --> 01:22:00.784
[SPEAKER_01]: He comes, jumps the cage, gives punk.

01:22:00.764 --> 01:22:09.441
[SPEAKER_01]: the super kick and then the curb stomped and breaker breaker hits the ropes like five times before he hits the spear on punk.

01:22:09.461 --> 01:22:13.048
[SPEAKER_01]: Like it was like punk was like turning and he's like oh, it's not that one.

01:22:13.068 --> 01:22:13.789
[SPEAKER_01]: I got turn again.

01:22:13.809 --> 01:22:14.350
[SPEAKER_01]: Nope.

01:22:14.370 --> 01:22:15.051
[SPEAKER_01]: It's not that one.

01:22:15.071 --> 01:22:15.893
[SPEAKER_00]: I got to turn again.

01:22:15.953 --> 01:22:17.356
[SPEAKER_01]: I was like man punk.

01:22:17.376 --> 01:22:19.059
[SPEAKER_01]: He punk might get spirit in the back.

01:22:19.400 --> 01:22:20.562
[SPEAKER_01]: He'd better be careful.

01:22:20.542 --> 01:22:25.832
[SPEAKER_01]: But nope, takes a spear, uh, Bronwyn's match, uh, and this is when Roman helps up punk.

01:22:25.852 --> 01:22:29.779
[SPEAKER_01]: They fist bump goes help Cody, Cody's not about that life, gets in his face.

01:22:30.320 --> 01:22:33.286
[SPEAKER_01]: Roman says this is the last time that that will ever team.

01:22:33.767 --> 01:22:35.870
[SPEAKER_01]: And then the show goes off the air.

01:22:36.151 --> 01:22:37.774
[SPEAKER_01]: So,

01:22:38.362 --> 01:22:46.311
[SPEAKER_01]: thoughts on the men's match and also just grade this show as a whole.

01:22:46.872 --> 01:22:47.733
[SPEAKER_01]: Cal, you can go first.

01:22:48.473 --> 01:22:50.315
[SPEAKER_02]: Gosh, men's match in general.

01:22:50.335 --> 01:22:53.379
[SPEAKER_02]: I didn't similar to the ending of the women's match.

01:22:53.439 --> 01:22:55.962
[SPEAKER_02]: It was kind of just like, oh, all right.

01:22:56.002 --> 01:23:05.112
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, you know, just this is really not flat, but I, you know, it didn't feel like survivor series pass where they've ended on this, you know,

01:23:05.092 --> 01:23:09.398
[SPEAKER_02]: I didn't a note to actually talk about when you, you know, when when the show's over.

01:23:10.559 --> 01:23:10.860
[SPEAKER_02]: Great.

01:23:10.900 --> 01:23:13.804
[SPEAKER_02]: I haven't thought I didn't get right now.

01:23:13.844 --> 01:23:14.765
[SPEAKER_02]: Probably you see.

01:23:14.785 --> 01:23:18.270
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, I think there's some, there's some lives return.

01:23:18.330 --> 01:23:21.114
[SPEAKER_02]: I think the, the scene a Dom match did.

01:23:21.174 --> 01:23:22.596
[SPEAKER_02]: What I thought it was going to do.

01:23:22.656 --> 01:23:30.306
[SPEAKER_02]: There were a couple of moments throughout the night, but it definitely wasn't a night that I'm trying to go back.

01:23:30.792 --> 01:23:38.943
[SPEAKER_02]: I may watch scene a dime again, but for the fun of it, I'm not watching anything back you know, because I enjoyed the wrestling on the show.

01:23:38.963 --> 01:23:53.142
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I would go see, I did have a question though, ran the question, if a war games match doesn't start to everybody gets in the ring, how do those matches also have 40 minute time?

01:23:53.443 --> 01:23:57.508
[SPEAKER_02]: Those matches should be like 10, 15 minutes at the most, right?

01:23:57.488 --> 01:24:00.539
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm sorry, I'm sorry.

01:24:00.559 --> 01:24:00.820
[SPEAKER_02]: Sorry.

01:24:01.924 --> 01:24:02.687
[SPEAKER_02]: See for me.

01:24:02.707 --> 01:24:03.249
[SPEAKER_01]: See for me.

01:24:04.132 --> 01:24:05.878
[SPEAKER_01]: All right, Gila, thoughts.

01:24:06.837 --> 01:24:09.961
[SPEAKER_00]: It was a perfectly fine min's war games match.

01:24:10.541 --> 01:24:15.287
[SPEAKER_00]: I was going to flip my lid if it had more heart or elements than the women.

01:24:15.347 --> 01:24:17.229
[SPEAKER_00]: And then I said, well, this is subdued too.

01:24:18.010 --> 01:24:21.474
[SPEAKER_00]: Like let some retire war games for five years.

01:24:21.534 --> 01:24:25.098
[SPEAKER_00]: Let's just go back to basics because give it back to NXT.

01:24:25.138 --> 01:24:26.280
[SPEAKER_01]: Let NXT rock.

01:24:26.300 --> 01:24:27.321
[SPEAKER_01]: That a rump with you.

01:24:27.341 --> 01:24:29.784
[SPEAKER_00]: Here's CGG, this what they should do.

01:24:30.244 --> 01:24:31.305
[SPEAKER_00]: They should swap.

01:24:31.806 --> 01:24:32.727
[SPEAKER_00]: Give.

01:24:33.803 --> 01:24:40.891
[SPEAKER_00]: The main roster, the deadline gimmick, the irons of our challenge, give war games back to NXT.

01:24:41.291 --> 01:24:47.378
[SPEAKER_00]: And I promise you, the difference it will make for both brands and promotions would be night and day.

01:24:47.658 --> 01:24:48.699
[SPEAKER_00]: They would benefit from it.

01:24:48.719 --> 01:24:52.583
[SPEAKER_00]: Do like a swap every other year, just shake things up.

01:24:52.623 --> 01:24:54.866
[SPEAKER_00]: This concept to me, this year is dead.

01:24:55.426 --> 01:24:58.249
[SPEAKER_00]: They didn't even try to make this creative or interesting.

01:24:58.670 --> 01:25:00.672
[SPEAKER_00]: And as I said at the top, I felt like,

01:25:01.310 --> 01:25:14.610
[SPEAKER_00]: The injuries last year were extensive for the men and that's probably why they wanted to be a little bit more less violent, but if that's the case, don't do war games don't marry yourself to this gimmick, if you're not going to go out all out anymore.

01:25:16.072 --> 01:25:23.723
[SPEAKER_00]: Logan Paul, I will say was selling his butt off the one D cell job was fantastic, he is saying there.

01:25:24.817 --> 01:25:26.239
[SPEAKER_00]: The match is fine.

01:25:26.840 --> 01:25:29.244
[SPEAKER_00]: I will also go with C for the show.

01:25:29.264 --> 01:25:31.087
[SPEAKER_00]: This is O for three.

01:25:31.367 --> 01:25:36.636
[SPEAKER_00]: I enjoy Crown Joe well enough waking up early in the morning in the U.S. back in October.

01:25:37.137 --> 01:25:44.729
[SPEAKER_00]: But when you're telling me that according to Paula Vec, we are in our final form in WWE.

01:25:45.109 --> 01:25:47.533
[SPEAKER_00]: We have reached the pinnacle.

01:25:47.513 --> 01:25:50.959
[SPEAKER_00]: If this is the final form, I want to refund literally.

01:25:51.019 --> 01:25:56.748
[SPEAKER_00]: I want to refund from you, from ESPN, from Disney because this ain't it.

01:25:56.768 --> 01:26:00.334
[SPEAKER_00]: This should not be the quality that you're turning out.

01:26:00.875 --> 01:26:07.085
[SPEAKER_00]: In stadium shows for people showing up money not only in the stadiums, but at home now.

01:26:07.125 --> 01:26:12.053
[SPEAKER_00]: You're asking people to pay $30 a month for your stuff.

01:26:12.033 --> 01:26:13.375
[SPEAKER_00]: It's got to be better than this.

01:26:13.695 --> 01:26:14.837
[SPEAKER_00]: It's got to be better than this.

01:26:14.897 --> 01:26:19.243
[SPEAKER_00]: And now the concern is the warrior rumble is going to be in Saudi Arabia.

01:26:19.523 --> 01:26:21.606
[SPEAKER_00]: It's not going to be in the regular time slot.

01:26:21.626 --> 01:26:22.747
[SPEAKER_00]: It's going to be early in the day.

01:26:23.028 --> 01:26:24.109
[SPEAKER_00]: That's another strike.

01:26:24.650 --> 01:26:29.857
[SPEAKER_00]: So then you have elimination chamber as your next show to get overheading it to WrestleMania.

01:26:30.258 --> 01:26:31.219
[SPEAKER_00]: Can they get it done?

01:26:31.279 --> 01:26:32.380
[SPEAKER_00]: I honestly don't know.

01:26:32.481 --> 01:26:35.825
[SPEAKER_00]: It just feels as someone said in the chat, directionless.

01:26:35.845 --> 01:26:38.689
[SPEAKER_00]: I even see Paul Vex post showing of you.

01:26:38.769 --> 01:26:41.753
[SPEAKER_00]: It's so pain by the numbers.

01:26:42.425 --> 01:26:45.829
[SPEAKER_01]: I think he'd rather be bored than someone ask him a real question.

01:26:45.889 --> 01:26:49.454
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I think he'd rather be bored than someone ask him a real question.

01:26:49.474 --> 01:26:54.120
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, he'd rather do that versus asking and answering serious questions.

01:26:54.340 --> 01:26:58.606
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, because it's quite possibly still hasn't read the lawsuit.

01:26:58.666 --> 01:27:00.228
[SPEAKER_01]: So no one asked him that question.

01:27:01.549 --> 01:27:02.511
[SPEAKER_00]: It's been two years.

01:27:02.651 --> 01:27:04.673
[SPEAKER_00]: I didn't have any of it open page one.

01:27:04.753 --> 01:27:06.135
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know what this is.

01:27:06.195 --> 01:27:07.096
[SPEAKER_01]: We're making movies.

01:27:07.136 --> 01:27:08.398
[SPEAKER_01]: We're going to Saudi Arabia.

01:27:08.378 --> 01:27:22.747
[SPEAKER_01]: So I'm glad that you brought up, uh, I still call them triple H. Um, I'm glad you brought that up because I was how was it going to end this was since Paul Hayman said that we're kind of kicking off like stuff.

01:27:22.767 --> 01:27:24.090
[SPEAKER_01]: You'll know some stuff for us, Mania.

01:27:25.192 --> 01:27:26.134
[SPEAKER_01]: Triple H.

01:27:27.194 --> 01:27:41.310
[SPEAKER_01]: has since he took over for Vince McMahon, he's had some really, really strong angles that have really brought this product back a little bit more towards the main stream.

01:27:42.211 --> 01:27:51.582
[SPEAKER_01]: And at the same time, there was some stuff that happened this year that I thought was just kind of flat and uninteresting.

01:27:51.562 --> 01:27:54.988
[SPEAKER_01]: creative like think of your favorite television show.

01:27:55.028 --> 01:28:13.841
[SPEAKER_01]: It's really hard to stay at a great level for a long period of time, wrestling historically is also cyclical for every attitude era, you know, actually for more than every attitude era, Vince McMahon had some like really bad years where I was just like, why am I even watching this anymore?

01:28:13.901 --> 01:28:15.544
[SPEAKER_01]: It's that bad.

01:28:15.727 --> 01:28:18.972
[SPEAKER_01]: So where are we with triple H?

01:28:19.292 --> 01:28:21.996
[SPEAKER_01]: Is, do you have faith in and Cali can go first?

01:28:22.437 --> 01:28:34.054
[SPEAKER_01]: Do you have faith that he still got some stuff up his sleeve, heading into WrestleMania that they can still kind of keep this hot period?

01:28:34.995 --> 01:28:36.397
[SPEAKER_01]: It's slowing down.

01:28:36.477 --> 01:28:37.819
[SPEAKER_01]: It's not as hot.

01:28:37.799 --> 01:28:53.884
[SPEAKER_01]: But they are still much higher than they were, you know, seven or eight years ago, it's like still night and day compared to then do you have faith that he has some stuff left in the tank and that they're going to get through 2026 where this thing is still cooking.

01:28:53.864 --> 01:29:08.264
[SPEAKER_02]: It's going to be rough, but I think 2026 will be a rougher year creatively for those of us who are watching, whether we're covering it or just fans, you know, then it was in 2025.

01:29:08.684 --> 01:29:17.677
[SPEAKER_02]: Only because it doesn't, and I think I forget who said it earlier, it doesn't feel like the people are going to be stopping buying tickets.

01:29:17.957 --> 01:29:19.800
[SPEAKER_02]: And that's really the key.

01:29:19.900 --> 01:29:20.901
[SPEAKER_02]: It's...

01:29:21.320 --> 01:29:22.441
[SPEAKER_02]: right now.

01:29:22.622 --> 01:29:34.057
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know if WWE's plateaued, but I think they've become comfortable with giving the people what they want and not really much else.

01:29:34.077 --> 01:29:39.945
[SPEAKER_02]: Like you want the John Cena reunion or end of the retirement tour.

01:29:40.285 --> 01:29:43.109
[SPEAKER_02]: You're going to get that tour and you're going to get a bunch of moments.

01:29:43.129 --> 01:29:44.270
[SPEAKER_02]: They're not going to be great.

01:29:44.311 --> 01:29:46.053
[SPEAKER_02]: You wanted the John Cena heel turn.

01:29:46.353 --> 01:29:47.355
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, you're going to get that.

01:29:47.555 --> 01:29:48.516
[SPEAKER_02]: We're not going to put much.

01:29:48.556 --> 01:29:50.719
[SPEAKER_02]: We're not even really going to know what we're doing with it.

01:29:50.699 --> 01:29:53.022
[SPEAKER_02]: But you wanted to heal turtle, you know what I'm saying?

01:29:53.042 --> 01:29:54.945
[SPEAKER_02]: Like you're gonna get a lot of these things.

01:29:54.985 --> 01:29:58.229
[SPEAKER_02]: And AJ Styles sounds like he's gonna be leaving next year.

01:29:58.410 --> 01:29:59.952
[SPEAKER_02]: There's a lot they could do with that.

01:29:59.972 --> 01:30:01.194
[SPEAKER_02]: You're gonna get some great matches.

01:30:01.214 --> 01:30:02.956
[SPEAKER_02]: You're probably not gonna get everything you want.

01:30:03.497 --> 01:30:06.501
[SPEAKER_02]: It's probably not what he's doing with the tag titles.

01:30:06.521 --> 01:30:07.062
[SPEAKER_02]: You know what I mean?

01:30:07.442 --> 01:30:14.072
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, if there's certain things that go on in this company that, you know, it can make you really frustrated.

01:30:14.312 --> 01:30:16.555
[SPEAKER_02]: But then I remember that if there's

01:30:16.535 --> 01:30:20.661
[SPEAKER_02]: little bit in nostalgia, you know, hearty boys return or something like that.

01:30:21.482 --> 01:30:37.163
[SPEAKER_02]: You can people will forgive a lot if they can get one or two things whether it's, you know, at the big show or the thought of Adam Copeland somehow leaving his AEW contract to have one more match with John Cena.

01:30:37.203 --> 01:30:39.787
[SPEAKER_02]: Like people will talk themselves into these things.

01:30:39.807 --> 01:30:43.572
[SPEAKER_02]: So I think they will have some saving

01:30:43.552 --> 01:30:46.659
[SPEAKER_02]: Like WCW, like a lot of this stuff.

01:30:46.679 --> 01:31:02.016
[SPEAKER_02]: Once the people who are still paying, wise up and say, hey, we're not getting what we're paying for, that's when they're gonna realize that there's an issue going on, which is, you know, it's gonna suck for everybody, because it may be too late at that point.

01:31:01.996 --> 01:31:04.561
[SPEAKER_01]: I was almost feels like it's always that way, right?

01:31:04.621 --> 01:31:21.253
[SPEAKER_01]: When you realize that it's gone, it's like too late to even try and get it back, which is kind of historically, um, Kila, you're your confidence in one, uh, John Paul Levex, former WCWD in the United States.

01:31:21.233 --> 01:31:37.560
[SPEAKER_01]: And him continuing this hot period or maybe even reclaiming some of that that they may have lost this year, though they don't have the John Cena retirement angle to kind of beat the, you know, the thing that gets them, you know, through the year.

01:31:37.601 --> 01:31:39.965
[SPEAKER_01]: Do you think he's still got it?

01:31:40.005 --> 01:31:41.627
[SPEAKER_01]: You think he's still got some stuff up his sleeve?

01:31:43.110 --> 01:31:45.013
[SPEAKER_00]: I want to say yes.

01:31:45.196 --> 01:31:48.660
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to even push back a little bit further in terms of the timeline.

01:31:49.601 --> 01:31:52.404
[SPEAKER_00]: They're not going to get this back together until 2027.

01:31:54.346 --> 01:32:01.593
[SPEAKER_00]: It's going to be a minute because I think the downturn starts next year officially.

01:32:01.633 --> 01:32:14.967
[SPEAKER_00]: The big test is going to be going back to Las Vegas for WrestleMania for tonight's.

01:32:14.947 --> 01:32:23.997
[SPEAKER_00]: I also believe, because I kind of felt like the turn for WWE was WrestleMania back in 2022, when Vince was still there.

01:32:24.057 --> 01:32:28.863
[SPEAKER_00]: I just felt like something's happening, something's bubbling, same thing with the WWE.

01:32:28.883 --> 01:32:29.764
[SPEAKER_00]: Their peak was in 2021.

01:32:30.445 --> 01:32:31.886
[SPEAKER_00]: They went down in 2023.

01:32:32.887 --> 01:32:36.311
[SPEAKER_00]: It took them a couple of years to get back to where they are right now.

01:32:36.491 --> 01:32:41.477
[SPEAKER_00]: It still has flaws, obviously, but they're in a

01:32:41.457 --> 01:32:46.810
[SPEAKER_00]: W-W-E, it's like dummy proof in terms of money, but creatively.

01:32:47.296 --> 01:32:51.981
[SPEAKER_00]: they're in a rut and I don't see it getting better for the next couple of years.

01:32:52.642 --> 01:33:07.979
[SPEAKER_00]: And once ticket sales go down and they will go down because you're pricing out your your fans when that happens, that is when they will wake up and realize, oh God, we're running off our paying customers, what can we do?

01:33:08.039 --> 01:33:13.405
[SPEAKER_00]: The creative is kind of whack to what can we do to reengage an audience?

01:33:13.385 --> 01:33:15.527
[SPEAKER_00]: They're going to have to hit that plateau.

01:33:15.748 --> 01:33:24.137
[SPEAKER_00]: I think it's coming at this is WrestleMania, because I think TKO is getting greedy by running the same market.

01:33:24.537 --> 01:33:34.288
[SPEAKER_00]: You need to have these cities bid for WrestleMania, run the show, grow that economy for that city for that year and keep it pushing.

01:33:34.829 --> 01:33:43.358
[SPEAKER_00]: If you don't do that, telling you, going back to the same place over and over and over again,

01:33:43.338 --> 01:33:49.367
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and then I mean I was I was I was all out there for in Vegas this past mania.

01:33:49.988 --> 01:33:51.190
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, not cute.

01:33:51.210 --> 01:33:52.431
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, not not cute.

01:33:52.471 --> 01:33:54.574
[SPEAKER_01]: He leed and go, but I was out there.

01:33:55.055 --> 01:34:01.304
[SPEAKER_02]: I talking to the people who live out there and some of I had a lift driver was like, yeah, it's bad for Vegas.

01:34:01.324 --> 01:34:06.712
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, nobody wants to come and when I got home and I was doing my little research.

01:34:06.732 --> 01:34:07.253
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

01:34:07.233 --> 01:34:10.938
[SPEAKER_02]: It's going down and the tourism has been going down.

01:34:11.379 --> 01:34:23.636
[SPEAKER_02]: If you're going back to that market where, and for the people who went, they're going shout out to my squad, we all said, we're not going back to Vegas, like, you know, a lot, it just wasn't a good time.

01:34:23.717 --> 01:34:30.066
[SPEAKER_02]: If you're not a Vegas person, it takes too long to get places, it'd be expensive to get places.

01:34:30.426 --> 01:34:31.047
[SPEAKER_02]: It's not

01:34:31.752 --> 01:34:33.714
[SPEAKER_02]: So there are a lot of people that were inviting out there.

01:34:33.734 --> 01:34:36.878
[SPEAKER_02]: So I do think that's a great point.

01:34:36.898 --> 01:34:38.600
[SPEAKER_02]: This will be a real big test.

01:34:38.620 --> 01:34:41.042
[SPEAKER_02]: Because there's a lot of people who didn't want to go this past year.

01:34:42.043 --> 01:34:51.774
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I thought the Vegas market for WrestleMania, it was a weird crowd to me.

01:34:51.794 --> 01:34:59.903
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know why I felt this way and I don't know if you felt this way, Cal, but it felt to me

01:35:00.338 --> 01:35:08.446
[SPEAKER_01]: like WWE themselves were like, they're just like two into their own stuff.

01:35:08.566 --> 01:35:13.611
[SPEAKER_01]: It was like, we can do no wrong, this, you know, this thing is going to last forever.

01:35:13.731 --> 01:35:20.177
[SPEAKER_01]: And I was like, I'm not sure like this, like the version of Rustam, like, you put those two nights of Rustamania together.

01:35:20.418 --> 01:35:27.004
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know where they're like four good matches.

01:35:27.389 --> 01:35:32.855
[SPEAKER_01]: And then I know that, you know, they're running their talent all over town like, you know, J.U.

01:35:32.875 --> 01:35:35.237
[SPEAKER_01]: So, probably got like two hours of sleep all weekend.

01:35:35.398 --> 01:35:36.739
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, it was working.

01:35:38.421 --> 01:35:46.049
[SPEAKER_01]: But, you know, at the same time, when you do get that community out there, there were some great moments.

01:35:46.069 --> 01:35:53.717
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, I thought, well, La Mania was was, was, you know, shout out to to Kazim, you know,

01:35:53.697 --> 01:36:10.776
[SPEAKER_01]: he's got a big part of that, I enjoyed that show a lot and then also, you know, Andreas Hale's little get to get like those moments are what I'm going to remember from that weekend rather than actual WrestleMania.

01:36:11.296 --> 01:36:18.304
[SPEAKER_01]: So, you know, when you get the community out there, it's still fun, but like the show in of itself as big as it is these days.

01:36:18.364 --> 01:36:20.346
[SPEAKER_01]: It did feel a little bit like

01:36:20.782 --> 01:36:34.167
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, they're a little cocky right now and, you know, they could, they could, they should, you know, they could be into themselves a little bit, fill in themselves, but you, if you are.

01:36:34.332 --> 01:36:42.583
[SPEAKER_01]: Then you got a deliver on the bigness of these shows and I didn't think that last year was that good of the or this year was that good of a year for them delivering on it.

01:36:43.003 --> 01:36:54.518
[SPEAKER_02]: They they probably made a lot of money in Vegas this past year, especially they were running all of those club events every night and there's so many stars coming through like the VIP packages were we're out to the.

01:36:54.498 --> 01:36:54.939
[SPEAKER_02]: the door.

01:36:55.340 --> 01:37:02.092
[SPEAKER_02]: I also wonder, that's why I mentioned the Vegas economically just being in a downward spiral.

01:37:02.112 --> 01:37:10.087
[SPEAKER_02]: I wonder if they got it for, not almost a discount, but like if they got it for a good price, especially because of what they were able to do this past year.

01:37:10.127 --> 01:37:13.954
[SPEAKER_02]: And they got it off the strength of a Cody slap in Roman.

01:37:14.015 --> 01:37:14.295
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

01:37:14.275 --> 01:37:31.373
[SPEAKER_02]: for like I think they like the idea of WWE coming in and the hope of pumping stuff up, but if I also wonder if they knock some game of discount for running back there another year, it's a win-win for WWE.

01:37:31.413 --> 01:37:37.199
[SPEAKER_02]: I would assume people who are going to pay are going to pay, but they may not be coming out this year.

01:37:37.819 --> 01:37:39.321
[SPEAKER_01]: For what I understand,

01:37:40.381 --> 01:37:42.266
[SPEAKER_01]: Vegas ponyed up this year.

01:37:42.286 --> 01:37:45.233
[SPEAKER_01]: Hmm, big time to bring them back.

01:37:45.574 --> 01:37:49.684
[SPEAKER_01]: It's probably for the reason that you just said, which is it's just down.

01:37:49.804 --> 01:37:52.791
[SPEAKER_01]: And they need events like this to run the town.

01:37:53.834 --> 01:37:56.019
[SPEAKER_01]: It'll be a week for some people.

01:37:56.060 --> 01:37:56.641
[SPEAKER_01]: They'll be there.

01:37:56.681 --> 01:37:58.305
[SPEAKER_01]: They will be in Vegas, but.

01:37:58.285 --> 01:38:21.913
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and it's two nights of the big event and then you get your shoulder events and you know wrestling fans will show out for the independent stuff as well that especially coming overseas and stuff so yeah, you know, it is it it's good for them for sure and I think I think what they believe will happen

01:38:22.602 --> 01:38:34.685
[SPEAKER_01]: is when they take WrestleMania away in 2027, they're gonna sell 2028 on, we're coming back, you missed us last year.

01:38:34.705 --> 01:38:39.254
[SPEAKER_01]: And, you know, that's what they're gonna sell it on.

01:38:39.294 --> 01:38:41.518
[SPEAKER_01]: And now I'm not sure that's going to work.

01:38:41.538 --> 01:38:44.644
[SPEAKER_01]: They better hope that they are hotter,

01:38:44.624 --> 01:38:47.047
[SPEAKER_01]: then officially as good old.

01:38:47.067 --> 01:38:48.148
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, as good old Jim Robbs.

01:38:48.168 --> 01:38:51.752
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to say, no, not Greece is as Jim Ross would have said.

01:38:52.212 --> 01:38:58.599
[SPEAKER_01]: So that is it just the whole in somebody mentioned seven or 11 mentioned doesn't have faith in TKO.

01:38:59.240 --> 01:39:05.927
[SPEAKER_01]: TKO is running this thing like how you need to market things that are hot.

01:39:06.628 --> 01:39:08.910
[SPEAKER_01]: Now does that mean that

01:39:09.565 --> 01:39:27.051
[SPEAKER_01]: because of the marketing, it kind of accentuates WWE, not being hot, and then what is WWE do, Triple H goes, well, you guys can't raise the tickets, and then the ticket sales were falling, and I couldn't do anything creatively to get it back because the fans were already,

01:39:27.031 --> 01:39:28.773
[SPEAKER_01]: dissatisfied and out of pocket.

01:39:28.873 --> 01:39:40.104
[SPEAKER_01]: And so like there's that is going to be the interesting thing if that happens, kind of this like disconnect with pro wrestling and with how TKO is running the business.

01:39:40.144 --> 01:39:42.085
[SPEAKER_01]: So I don't want to see that happen.

01:39:42.105 --> 01:39:45.028
[SPEAKER_01]: Obviously, I want to see pro wrestling be as strong as humanly possible.

01:39:45.088 --> 01:39:55.198
[SPEAKER_01]: But you can sort of sense when Mark Shapiro is at these conferences and he's

01:39:55.178 --> 01:39:58.286
[SPEAKER_01]: wasn't the the smartest guy when it came to ticket prices.

01:39:58.347 --> 01:40:06.950
[SPEAKER_01]: Like we are we have the number we have the data and we understand this more and thus you know WWE was always underselling their stuff.

01:40:06.990 --> 01:40:09.036
[SPEAKER_01]: And now we're getting what it's really worth.

01:40:09.457 --> 01:40:11.061
[SPEAKER_01]: And it's like yes,

01:40:11.378 --> 01:40:17.845
[SPEAKER_01]: But I don't know if Mark Shapiro has ever been in a wrestling timeframe when the business goes down.

01:40:17.905 --> 01:40:18.846
[SPEAKER_01]: Then what do you do?

01:40:19.127 --> 01:40:22.671
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm sure he'll figure out figure that out if they do get there.

01:40:22.711 --> 01:40:25.514
[SPEAKER_01]: But I think that's going to be an interesting thing to follow.

01:40:25.594 --> 01:40:29.638
[SPEAKER_01]: If you're a fan of following the businesses, what happens when they do get cold?

01:40:29.698 --> 01:40:34.684
[SPEAKER_01]: How does TKO change things in the way that they do business?

01:40:34.744 --> 01:40:36.346
[SPEAKER_01]: And we'll have to, we'll have to see.

01:40:36.646 --> 01:40:38.348
[SPEAKER_01]: Right now things are great.

01:40:38.328 --> 01:40:42.954
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, and they seem to be strong though ticket sales.

01:40:42.974 --> 01:40:43.775
[SPEAKER_01]: They're a little bit down.

01:40:43.795 --> 01:40:48.560
[SPEAKER_01]: But then you look at DC and it's like damn, they got 16,000 people in that building.

01:40:48.600 --> 01:40:51.924
[SPEAKER_01]: And it's the ticket prices are out of insane.

01:40:51.984 --> 01:40:55.829
[SPEAKER_02]: So it's, it's, it's that final scene again.

01:40:55.849 --> 01:40:59.293
[SPEAKER_02]: You, as long you can get a couple of those things that people want to go see.

01:40:59.373 --> 01:41:03.458
[SPEAKER_02]: The, I can't, I, I need to be in the building moment.

01:41:04.147 --> 01:41:09.136
[SPEAKER_02]: they can pat it out, but I don't know if the AJ style is going to do the same thing next year.

01:41:09.717 --> 01:41:10.940
[SPEAKER_01]: Gunther's beating that dude too.

01:41:11.361 --> 01:41:13.725
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, see.

01:41:14.887 --> 01:41:16.570
[SPEAKER_01]: Hey, Cal, this was awesome.

01:41:16.610 --> 01:41:18.915
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm so happy that you were able to do this with us.

01:41:19.175 --> 01:41:19.696
[SPEAKER_01]: It was great.

01:41:19.716 --> 01:41:20.077
[SPEAKER_01]: Thank you.

01:41:20.257 --> 01:41:21.920
[SPEAKER_01]: Where can people find you?

01:41:22.041 --> 01:41:23.904
[SPEAKER_01]: What, what do you got on your plate?

01:41:23.964 --> 01:41:24.906
[SPEAKER_01]: What's going on?

01:41:24.886 --> 01:41:38.541
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, I'm currently just doing a bunch of the writing, so if you want to follow me at Calon Twitter, at Caldub on Instagram, um, at Blackgrass on and all the social media is every Thursday night 8.35 p.m. east of standard time.

01:41:38.681 --> 01:41:51.035
[SPEAKER_02]: YouTube.com slash Blackgrass and we're doing pause interviews, you know, a lot of my nonsense with a bunch more, uh, four letter words and and shenanigans over there every Thursday night.

01:41:51.295 --> 01:41:52.156
[SPEAKER_02]: Thank you all for having me.

01:41:52.176 --> 01:41:53.998
[SPEAKER_01]: I really appreciate this was a lot of fun.

01:41:53.978 --> 01:42:02.611
[SPEAKER_01]: and Keela, you and Scott will be back Tuesday evening on YouTube and then in the feeds Wednesday morning with your follow up to Survivor Series.

01:42:03.231 --> 01:42:04.013
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, we will.

01:42:04.073 --> 01:42:06.897
[SPEAKER_00]: I am waiting for Scott's response to the show.

01:42:06.937 --> 01:42:14.267
[SPEAKER_00]: He might love things more than I do, which makes our show so much fun so we can debate friendly about things.

01:42:14.468 --> 01:42:21.538
[SPEAKER_00]: I didn't like in things he liked, but I have a feeling we're going to be in

01:42:21.890 --> 01:42:22.451
[SPEAKER_01]: All right.

01:42:22.471 --> 01:42:24.114
[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, check them out.

01:42:24.996 --> 01:42:35.417
[SPEAKER_01]: Go check out Cal Love Love Your Brain for this stuff and really appreciate you coming on with us.

01:42:35.577 --> 01:42:35.978
[SPEAKER_01]: All right.

01:42:36.820 --> 01:42:43.493
[SPEAKER_01]: Thanks to folks, the chat 7 11 of course as always for Nando and Brad.

01:42:43.473 --> 01:42:48.164
[SPEAKER_01]: drip 5071 for hanging out with us during this show.

01:42:48.545 --> 01:42:53.076
[SPEAKER_01]: All right, for Cal, for Kila, I am WG.

01:42:53.176 --> 01:42:56.183
[SPEAKER_01]: We will see you when we see you piece out.