Drew McIntyre Beats Cody! TNA on AMC Debut & Will Hobbs WWE Rumors | Takedown

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[SPEAKER_01]: All right, Paul, we are back with take down a few topics to talk about, especially surrounding the new WWE Champion Drew McIntyre and before we get there, I was just interested in what was the best thing that you watched last week.

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[SPEAKER_00]: uh like show or match or both like what what made you happy what excited you um i mean i thought this SmackDown i thought SmackDown are all we're both really good and uh kind of think of what else

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know what, funny, I'm watching this, I'm in the middle of it right now, but I'm watching this ACW show, which I'm not really familiar with the company, it was on Triller, it was on January 3rd, and they've got like a ton of big names on this show, and they got decent production, and they got a great crowd, like it's like ton of people there, and I never heard anything about it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I just, I wonder how much of this is going on in the Indies that we don't even know about who's the headliner.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, the headliner is like two, two things that are doing it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: What's called the Pekipsy Rumble for their championship because Zack Ryder or, you know, a Mac Cardona was supposed to defend the title, but he got signed by WWE.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So they did a battle royale for the title, and then Mike Santana and Nick Nemeth were wrestling to be the number one contender.

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[SPEAKER_00]: so they were going to get the shot at the first champion.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I haven't seen the rumbly yets.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't even know who all is in it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But, you know, they got a lot of big names on the show.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, what do you say big names?

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, basically, everyone you've heard of that isn't in A, W, or W, W, is on the show.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, it's, it's pretty wild.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And like, I'm enjoyed.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, it's not the best wrestling, but it's, I mean, it's an easy watch.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And yeah, this is your, this comes with your

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So like I have friends as I just watched crowbar versus Joey Janella versus Mans Warner.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like it's, I mean, that's wild in the match.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's fun, you know.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And Indy Hartwell and Shotsie Blackhart, you know, like it's not like, you know, if it was on collision, I'd be laughing at it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But, you know, it's on an Indy show.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So that's cool.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And yeah, so I enjoy watching stuff like this when I have free time.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I uh

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I haven't been watching, I've we had this thing where we did these like kind of what we want in in 2026.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I was trying to rethink how I can absorb all of this content and these first two weeks of the new years have been the same since since last year I haven't figured out a way to change it up or find a different way like I still don't watch collision.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, I realize that I don't even get TNA because I don't have AMC on my Hulu.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I won't be able to watch that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And so I think it's going to be the same.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think the thing that will be interesting.

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[SPEAKER_01]: is with UFC on Paramount, if I feel the need to, because, you know, because I do that, show with you and Dave, I would like to be a little bit more educated on some of the non-stars, and one way might be just clicking through those weekly shows and just kind of like familiarizing my stuff because they're just going to be available on the Paramount.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and like even if it's going back and watching like matches, because I mean watching live every week like you don't really know who like who is it that I need to keep an eye on Ryan Frederick actually does every week he does like a summary of what's on the show so that's kind of a good guide like where does he what do I mean I know he writes in the observer, but does he post any previews elsewhere?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like on our discord and on the F4W board as far as I know.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, that's where it is in the board.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so on it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's on the discord too.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like he'll put in there like what ranked fighters are fighting and what fighters you need to kind of keep an eye on.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I'll need to pay attention to that a little bit more and there's no reason not to like it's just so able easy and and if you're only watching like two or three fights a week, it's not that I mean you're talking about maybe an hour of your time.

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[SPEAKER_01]: All right, we have a couple topics that we want to talk about here today.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The first one is the Drew McIntyre win.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Now I was on with Observer with Dave and I was like, he has to win.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Why else are they making this match?

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[SPEAKER_01]: He loses again and he might as well not show his face on television.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like that's how bad it would be.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The three stages of Hellmatch was, I thought it was a fun match.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I thought those guys worked their asses off.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I did not like.

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[SPEAKER_01]: the first finish at all though that was lame, but if you if you go back and to kind of like the history of how Vince McMahon would do it, that's exactly how Vince McMahon would do in that first fall.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's also what they do in CMLL2.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and then the the third fall.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm watching on Hulu.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Jacob comes out.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They open the door and then the thing goes and so for my Hulu is hit the three hour mark and the show was off.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I always give a dynamite crap for not showing me the whole thing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: At least with AEW I could go to to a max if I wanted to see the end of it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I guess I could have gone to YouTube to see the end of the SmackDown finish, but I did not.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I was just like, okay, I can kind of visualize what happened here.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think they must have added some stuff on the USA network broadcast then.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm sure it was just commercial.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Some of those breaks were so long.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, because it was only 2 hours and 52 minutes on Netflix, and that was with commercials.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, I heard you say that, and I was very surprised.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Walking out the door, like at least make the brother climb over the top and then walking out the door.

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[SPEAKER_01]: At least when I was a kid, it was a way for a heal to get real heat because then the baby face would bring them back in and beat them up.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And this is the way we're actually changing titles.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's just lame that they still do it that way.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He should have at least climbed over the top or something a little.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He didn't even walk out.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He fell out.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Anyway, so what we want to talk about is, why did they do it?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Where are they going?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Dave and Brian talked about the possibility of plans changing in the Cody Rhodes Russell Mania pathway here.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't it doesn't sound like Dave knows for sure what's going on But it looks like they've possibly changed where they were going.

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[SPEAKER_01]: What was your first thought when drew one the title?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, I mean, if you recall, we did our, was it last week we did our predictions?

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think it was, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so my prediction was Sammy winning the title and then losing it very quickly to Oba.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I felt like, wow, you know, after I saw Drew when my predictions look in real good.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Because there's two long-running storylines in WWE involving Sammy.

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[SPEAKER_00]: One is that he's never beaten Drew.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And two is that he's never won the world title.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And they've never mentioned that on SmackDown, too.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He did.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He did.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And combined that with then Nick Aldous announces, okay, next week in London, we're going to have four qualifying matches.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And the winners of those four qualifying matches are going to go on to Saturday night's main event where they're going to wrestle in a four way.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And the winner is going to get a world title shot at the Royal Rumble.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, the fed really bad, by the way, they are, but they're also, well, mostly obvious winters.

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[SPEAKER_00]: One of them is kind of up in the air and probably doesn't matter either way, but I mean, I'm looking at this and I see Sami Zayn in there and I see that Saturdays made a bit is in Montreal and the last time they had a big show in Montreal, he was all built around him and people thought he was going to win the title and he lost.

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[SPEAKER_00]: and I feel like now maybe that they may correct that and he would get that big win and then they go to Saudi Arabia for the Royal Rumble where Sami is going to be the most overguy on the show and potentially he could win.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Now of course the negative to that is you're taking the title off a drew in three weeks but I mean it's not like WWE hasn't done that before.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I think there's a decent chance that that happens.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think that by the end of the world rumble, we could have Sami Zayn as the champion.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You won't have it long, probably not even till WrestleMania, but I mean, I could see that happening with the world title.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I thought based on what your prediction was last week and I'd been thinking about that a lot.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Not the oba part necessarily, but that yeah, if the idea is to get the belt on Sammy, how do they do it?

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I think it's a little early, like you said, to just win it real rumble, but also If we are

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[SPEAKER_01]: If we are pushing Sammy to this level, I think him winning on his first try is very much unlike how they book these underdog baby faces.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And you can go back to Bryan Danielson, you know, in anybody in their history, I think the actual route could be him getting screwed at the Royal Rumble.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Drooping the antagonistic baby face and just being like dude you're that was your one shot You're you're never get another heal me heal me

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[SPEAKER_00]: You said Drew was a baby face.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, I called him in an agonistic baby face.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, an agonistic heel.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then Sammy actually has to win the chamber to get the title shot.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It very similar to kind of what John Cena was doing last year where he had like one last opportunity.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But I like that idea better.

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[SPEAKER_01]: just because it gives Sammy one more hurdle to get over and it gets more heat on drugs.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think that's going to be the problem is unless Drew beats up Sammy from pillar to post every week from now on to the Royal Rumble.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I just I just don't do a week.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's like two weeks until.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And so that makes Saturday at May event next weekend.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I believe so.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then the world rumbles the week after.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I just don't feel like there's enough time to heat drew up to be this mean heal.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then for Sam is went to mean as much, but.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's been let's see just those in as the cocky heel, who is like, assamizing, you know, like that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then he loses.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Now, I agree with you.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Everything you said makes sense.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And with the way that WWE traditionally books, I mean, that makes total sense.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I, I'm not saying I couldn't see it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I just look at the locations of these shows.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And maybe I'm putting too much stock in that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But it almost feels like,

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[SPEAKER_00]: This was the plan.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Now, obviously, if this was the plan, they probably would have done it a little bit differently, or it could be that they, you know, they, I was listening to wrestling is over and Dave mentioned, you know, shaken things up.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and perhaps they looked at the landscape and say, hey, wait a minute, we're doing this and we're doing that here's an idea.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, and maybe, you know, that they looked at that and they thought, okay, you know, and then if you change a title twice in a month, all of a sudden you're giving off that impression, like anything can happen.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I mean, and, you know, they've protected those titles, I think pretty well over the last, you know, four or five years, you know, you had that long Roman title reign, and like everybody that's wanted sense, like,

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[SPEAKER_00]: I have the raw title flipped a couple times this summer, but that was due to injury and cations and stuff.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But the SmackDown title has been, you know, everyone's had decent rains.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So here's another thing, and it's funny seeing Brian Alvarez being so reactive to the fans thinking that he has something to do with Tony's booking, and he's like, I don't like Tony books for himself, like if anybody's reactive to Twitter, it's Tony, like he's not reactive to me.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And you even thought that there are some things that he said that Tony maybe has taken

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[SPEAKER_01]: I find it funny only and Ellen is amusing that as a comparison is because I think a lot of fans look at 2026 WWE and it's been something that I've brought up, which is what is the hook for this year?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like what is the thing?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like in previous years, I think we've kind of known by now.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, what are some of the plans?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Cody, tell in the story, last year it

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[SPEAKER_01]: we don't really know.

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[SPEAKER_01]: There's nothing really set up.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So for Dave to say they are changing things up, it makes sense to me because they probably came to the same conclusion that we've all come to, which is this year, there's not anything big really set up, you know, for the big shows.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And they may maybe they have to create that now, which is interesting because the last few years, one of the reasons I think that they've been so successful business-wise is

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[SPEAKER_01]: It has been kind of easy to predict and those stories were easy to tell and they were laid out so far in advance and they were just kind of following through now you had the thing where rock throws the monkey.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's a rush twice to 10 times.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And so they've had to be like

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[SPEAKER_01]: fast on their feet with that stuff, but it's still pretty much worked out, okay, business wise.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe in the John Cena thing, not as well creative wise, but yeah, now for 2026, it's almost like they have a clean slate.

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[SPEAKER_01]: There's not one main story that kind of rules the entire WWE creative right now.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So it looks like they might be trying to create some things to do that, and maybe even

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, like, I mean, if you asked me, like, I would think, and I think you maybe even brought this up, I feel like I heard it somewhere and it might have been for me.

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[SPEAKER_00]: If you had to say what is the overarching theme for WWE in 2026, it might be the new faces that are coming in.

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[SPEAKER_00]: you know, the oba javon trick, brawn to a lesser, I mean, brawn's already there, but, you know, the elevation of brawn.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So and and and and all this stuff could play into all that, you know, whether it's oba or or trick, you know, and certainly trick, you know, and Sammy, like you that my scenario with oba could easily play out with trick and you even brought that up when I'm in production.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, so, you know, that could all be part of it, too, and then, you know, as far as Oh, but like you could be looking at something, because I think I saw something, someone reported that Obed signed with RAW.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know if that's been official.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I haven't heard Dave say it, but I mean, it certainly makes sense.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think it was a it was a Twitter thing someone.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yeah, someone found something and that but that could also just be people connect It also change to like you've been really and and also, you know, like people flip brands all the time and WrestleMania season.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So, but you know, but so if oh, but it's going to rod certainly raw feels like the hotter show all those SmackDown has been pretty good the last few weeks.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, so if you have a guy and it does feel like as

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[SPEAKER_00]: feels like they're putting more effort behind Oba with all these video packages.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Trick is so, 2021-26 John Cena, it's not even funny.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh yeah, because I'm listening to Dave give a review of his match with Phoenix.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And David is just like, yeah, it wasn't, you know, it was okay.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He wasn't great.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And, you know, how can you not have a good match with Phoenix.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And if you go back to those 2,000 and 4, 2,000 and 5 Russians were radios, it's the same thing about John Cena.

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[SPEAKER_00]: John Cena and Ray Mysterio.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And, and so.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, Dave's saying, well, even going back, you know, you want to go back and time, Dave is saying, well, the reason that scene is on SmackDown is because it's taped and they can edit his matches to make them look better.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Now, everything is live and they don't really do that anymore.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Anyway, so it's not like they'll do that for trick.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And trick is better than John Cena was in 2005, as far as in the ring.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's just so funny, the comparison.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I wonder

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[SPEAKER_01]: I wonder what creative things because the reason to put him with Ray Phoenix is because Ray Phoenix is really good, and he would make trick shine.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Now that finish, I don't think really made trick shine.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It was almost like to protect Phoenix in some way, or maybe to make trick even more than a heel, but he hasn't really leaned into that with his character yet.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He's just more kind of provocative and bravado and all that stuff.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think they have to be really careful with trick though, because if they're not careful with him, I think a lot of fans will find a reason to not really believe in him and that could be the wrestling aspect of it, because you know how fans could be if they feel like something is being forced at them, the find reasons to say, oh, that this guy really sucks and they want you to think that he's good.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think, um,

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think he is good.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He may have some stumbles in some ways.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So he may need to be protected even more than anybody.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But I think he's worth taking the opportunity taking the chance to do that with, because he's in the ring.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I didn't even like the Randy Orton segment.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He's in the ring with Randy Orton.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And, you know, Randy Orden isn't the best talker.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He does a really good WWE promo, but he's not like a hype man.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He's like not somebody who's really, you know, just has like that golden tongue.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And he even kind of was like, eh, who is this dude?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like kind of like hit that, that was, but he's like that with everybody.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I was just like, hmm, these choices that they're making with him so far, I didn't like either of them.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But, you know, it's just the first couple of weeks.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I like the thing with Sammy, that that thing with Sammy was good.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I just hope that they really take care of trick along the way, because I think he's gonna need more than most people when you're bringing him up to this level.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, well, I think of the two things that you just mentioned, the second one is probably most important to WWE fans.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I think it's more important that he looks like a star and he comes up as comes off as someone that belongs with the other stars as opposed to, you know, wrestling five star matches.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like if he's wrestling with Phoenix and he doesn't screw anything up and he wins.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think that's what most WWE fans are looking for.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like they want to see him win.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They want to see his finisher and you know, but if he comes out and does a promo and Randy Orton makes him look like a goof, then like it doesn't matter how good his wrestling is.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like they're not going to care about him.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so I, you know, I thought it definitely wasn't as good as the Sammy thing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I thought it was fine.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I thought having the miss come in at the end was a bit of a cheat code because then, you know, you got your loud trick to get away without taking any, you know, damage from Randy.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And Randy, you know, the other thing is to is people, you know, you don't, you don't think about it as much with Randy.

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[SPEAKER_00]: but he's the legend that he is for a reason and and they he's always going to protect himself because he can come out here and do what he's doing right now for another five years if he wants to because he doesn't really go he very rarely gets pumped out no and he doesn't ever he doesn't do anything like hardly ever wrestles he comes out and he doesn't promo and fans chant and they treat him

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's kind of like Roman in a way, you know, like he doesn't even have to do anything.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And and and the only way you can protect that is by not being pumped out by guys below you.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So, you know, like, that's probably going to go on for a while.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So, yeah, maybe keep trick away from guys like that and that, you know, like he can go out there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I love seeing what drew, but I, you know, they're both heels, so maybe that doesn't work, but

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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, you know, like somebody that he can think is, and I, you know, and I brought up trick and mellow, uh, you know, for a manion match.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I think that I, I don't know how you get there, but I wouldn't love.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think I'd love the month lead up to that, you know, with those two cut and promos on each other and have matches.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I think that they both be, they both improved by having matches with each other tag team six bands like they always do in WWE.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So back to Sammy real quick.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then we'll move on.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Is this a, I don't imagine this will be a leveling up of Sami Zayn as much as a feel good moment a yeah lifetime achievement award gold watch I mean may may be the fans take to him a little bit differently after the fact maybe he's kind of knighted as as as a main main vendor, but I just wonder.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's one of those moments kind of things that they do, and I hope that he comes out better for it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: In some cases, these guys don't always come out better for it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But do you think this would take him to a next level?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Or is this just a WrestleMania thing?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Or is this just a, you know, early moment thing to get that great pop and then we move on?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, I mean, technically he would be at another level because he'd always be a former champion.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So, you know, he's a be a little bit higher than what he is now, but I don't think like you're not elevating him to certainly not the Cody Roman punk level.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, I mean, he's probably not far off that next level right now, you know, like the Drew McIntyre AJ Styles, Ellie Knight, you know, J.U.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So, you know, like he's kind of in there, maybe on the lower end of that, so maybe like leveling up within his own level, but he's never going to be that tippy top made of enter guy, and even he knows that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, I think, you know, if you, if they went with your idea of Mania, maybe somehow get Kevin Owens involved, that's what I was thinking was at the end.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You bring Kevin Owens in the home.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then they, yeah, and then they do the, you know, the Ben Wyatt Guerrero thing, you know, but, you know, hopefully with the happy ending ending this time, um, you know, it was like something like that with the confetti and everything like that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, and they certainly they could do that much or all too, um,

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[SPEAKER_00]: I kind of, man, I wish the rumble was in Montreal because I would be great, but you know, I yeah, I think, yeah, not not leveling all the way up, but loving up a little bit.

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[SPEAKER_01]: All right, uh, there is a TNA Renaissance happening as we speak.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, their first AMC show is on Thursday.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And we don't cover TNA, much at all on this network, you know, we don't have it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Once Mike and JD went to voices like that, that they took that and no one's really picked it up.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I wonder,

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[SPEAKER_01]: If there's going to be some momentum created for the brand, I mean, theoretically, like if you get television and who knows what that rating is going to look like in a month, but there should be something and I still don't really hear people talking about it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe that will change.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Thursday.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But for instance, I have no idea who's on this roster outside of a handful of people, but I know that you watched the product weekly.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So why don't you give people a little bit of a primer on what's going on in TNA and what to kind of expect and maybe even give some thoughts or predictions on if you what they can possibly do with this opportunity.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So, I mean, the champion right now is Frank Ike-Zarian, and he won the title from Mike Santana by caching in like a money-of-the-bank type thing that he was basically sharing with Nick Nemeth, and so now on the first TV, he's going to be defending against Mike Santana, who is kind of the uncrowned champion, and everyone expects Santana's going to win.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's probably their most popular home-grown guy right now.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, you know, and, uh, you know, rightfully so he's worked his ass off since he left a W He's working the Indies.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's one of a bunch of like prestigious indie belts as well.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like House of Glory was a was a big one and any other title for like a year had some great matches.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I was going out of my way to watch his house glory matches.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then Nick Nemeth is, of course, hanging around with that briefcase, and they've basically said, without saying, it's probably going to be Nick Nemeth against the winner on the paper view that they're having on Saturday.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So two days after the live TV.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So we probably get Mike Santana and Nick Nemeth, former dull ziggler on the paper view.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We're also getting AJ styles that's going to be appearing on the debut television show.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Obviously, TNA legend, rumors that maybe they'll set up a match for the paper view for him.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Obviously, a franky-cazerian loses the title.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Him and AJ would make a lot of sense to do a match, you know, they've got a long history together.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They both basically TNA originals.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Hardies are the tag team champions.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They're going to be defending against the righteous on the paper view.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You're your favorite tag team.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Dutch and Vincent and they're doing I believe a six man on the TV so they've got a partner and and the righteous have a partner.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, their stacks is the international champion, and he, he's defending his title on NXT this week.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know that he's doing anything on the TV or the pay per view.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, the women's champion is laying Lee, the former Ziya are up.

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[SPEAKER_00]: What was her, her name?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Ziya Lee.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, and they, I think,

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think she's going to be wrestling, they have an announced it yet, but it seems like she's going to be wrestling Danny Luna who I'm really high on like their women's division has taken a lot of shit over the last year, but in the last couple months it's really picked up the Angel Warriors, which is Lee and Ziya Brookside.

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[SPEAKER_00]: are like they're having some really fun matches and Danny Luna is like this powerhouse kind of like a mini Jordan Grace, you know that sort of like thing and she's just killing it and so you know I'm kind of more into the women and Indy Hartwell is kind of taking a backseat so that's good too but I think the yeah so they're doing that that match and then the women's tag team titles are like the Iconics and the elegance brands I don't really have a

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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, you know, so that's not selling me on this show, by the way.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Really.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, I mean, the main event stuff that sounds great.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And, and you know, and the women, like the women's match would be good.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, there's not much else.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And the problem is to is, you know, much like Japan, where the the contract come up every year.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That happens in TNA 2.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So nobody's quite sure who's sticking around.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I saw Mike Gilbert was mentioning that the rascals are, you know, that's one of their top acts.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They're all free agents.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So, you know, TNA could resign them or they could drop a dynamite, you know, and or, you know, theoretically WWE, but I mean, WWE just cut Wesley, so I doubt that's happening.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But, you know, so yeah, there's.

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[SPEAKER_00]: you know Elijah oh yeah he's yeah he's gonna be resting with stuff Ali now that doesn't sound like much, but that could be fun um Ali is great like he is he's he's awesome and he just recently resigned right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: He just resigned uh Denise's show.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, so he's at least another year and he's always good for, you know, really good match on the shows and not just a good match, but he's great with the mic work and getting the crowd into things and even doing fun stuff like outside the ring like you got all the way on a horse like dragged away by a horse on the last favorite view is is really funny.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, I'm like I said I'm like, I'm

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[SPEAKER_00]: Not as hyped for it as I would be for a WWE or an AWP review, but I'm looking forward to it for sure.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm curious to how they're going to do, like I really have no idea.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I saw Lance Storm predicted, like, you know, they have to do the wild predictions for the F4W prediction show.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And he predicted that impact would be dynamite in the ratings one week this year.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Really?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Now, I could see it happening this week.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, because I don't know what they do on Amazon.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They would have to do, like,

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[SPEAKER_00]: 0.1, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, I think he's probably more thinking total viewers.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I can't see $550,000 viewers or so.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I mean, I don't know what M.C.

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[SPEAKER_00]: normally does, but it doesn't steam that out of the realm of possibility that they could.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The time slot might hurt, you know, because they are an hour later, um, they're running 8 to 10 my time 9 to 11 Eastern.

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[SPEAKER_01]: publicity, though, from the WWE side, not unless they do something on NXT tonight.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, they will.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm sure they will on NXT tonight, but I mean, not a lot of people watching NXT either, so.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's where if they, if WWE promoted them for this show in this time slot on this channel, I think they would have a great opportunity beating the total viewers.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But without that, like I said, you know, not like I'm one watching commercials to look for this stuff, but I haven't seen anything about it outside of, I actually have on TV, but which surprised me.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like I'm seeing it on other stations, so I don't know if that's something that AMC is doing with the cable companies or something, but I am kind of as like I was in fast forwarding.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm seeing like commercials for it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So that's, that's surprised me not a lot, but I've seen it a couple times.

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[SPEAKER_01]: All right, here's the last thing I wanted to talk about and it's kind of been gaining some steam and I don't really know what to think about it, but the in the observer.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Dave Meltzer wrote that WWE has interest in Will Hobbes, and it's one of those, one of those things where it's like, oh, yeah, this is like a Sean Ross sap post chart, you know, on Twitter, like, yeah, duh, of course they would have interest, but.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I kind of made me start to wonder about whether he's available or not.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I have not gotten an answer, but I don't imagine there would be this much discussion about Will Hobbes, possibly going to WWE, unless

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[SPEAKER_01]: his contract was up soon right like why would this discussion be happening now if he wasn't available for three years because that that that it wouldn't be happening right now so i have to believe that some of this is because his contract is coming up yeah i mean he originally signed in september 2020 so if it was a three year deal then it would have he would have already re-signed

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[SPEAKER_00]: But that would be another three-year deal, which would mean, you know, 2026.

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[SPEAKER_00]: If it was a five-year deal, it would have been expired, but maybe they added some injury time, because he was out there for a little while with injuries.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So, theoretically it could be coming up, and use you, well, should I say what you said?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Because I mean, you recorded it, but it has an air jet.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I don't know if you, so,

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[SPEAKER_01]: This is this is kind of why I wanted to mention on the fight game podcast, which will go up Thursday night Friday morning, we did a WWE draft, and we were talking about what you do with Ricky Starks, you and I talked about Ricky Starks last week.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and John said,

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[SPEAKER_01]: If WWE brings over powerhouse Hobbes, he could see them reparing Ricky Starks and Hobbes together as a to some and have Hobbes be the heater.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I was like, oh, that makes a lot of sense.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I'd really be into that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But again, all of a sudden there's this discussion of Hobbes going to be so that leads me to believe that he is going to be free.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Someone has John is talking about it like, well, yeah, John's not going to go out and say, here's what's going to happen, you know, but he, if it's, if there is talk,

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[SPEAKER_01]: then it does make some sense that he would know something because, you know, he is friends with people in WWE and the other thing which is kind of interesting.

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[SPEAKER_01]: is I don't know if people even remember this, but when Hobbes came to AEW, Cody was the one who was really high on him.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and Cody was, I don't know if this is public or if this was public or not, I don't really remember, but Cody was saying how he kind of reminded him of Dr. Death's Steve Williams, and I was like, I don't think so.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That doesn't, those two things are not that comparable to me, but that's kind of what he gave him in Knox, where the two that

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[SPEAKER_01]: Cody being in WWE if he still had the same thoughts.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I could see that and obviously if Ricky likes him, I could I could see that as well.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know what punk thinks about him, but there are people there who if they did like him, they could totally vouch for him.

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[SPEAKER_01]: in that way, but yeah, I just don't like they're people are saying something, but then they're not saying the most important thing, which is why it's hard for me to like just run with this thing or and really it's more of a fantasy of an idea than anything else it's just.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's just something where I'm like, okay guys, like, either say it or don't say it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, what are we doing here?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, I think, you know, the next couple weeks of a W television will probably be telling.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, if we don't see hide in our hair of Will Hobbes, then, you know, the talk is going to heat up.

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[SPEAKER_00]: If all of a sudden he comes in and he's like, they just start giving him wins.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know where.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's like, you know, this guy's not going anywhere.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So, you know, stop talking, you know, we could see that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I love that idea of Starks and Hobbes, by the way, like I'm to quote, to borrow a phrase from Scott Young, who you recorded with, be like a melanated version of HPK and a big daddy cool.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, with that is something Scott would say for sure.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And and although that that probably predates him, I don't think he was watching WWE back

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[SPEAKER_00]: then, but he's a little kid back then.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, because memories, first time you ever watched was like, Shelton Benjamin and Triple H. Yes.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, 2004 was like, oh my god.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The burgeoning time for him.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He did say that one on the show that it has not aired yet.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He did say that one of the, one of the things are one of the reasons why Triple H may not be interested in

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[SPEAKER_01]: Hobbes, that's because he tripletions sea color.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So that was if he did he didn't have that punchline.

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[SPEAKER_01]: No, but Hobbes coming into WWE would be really, really interesting.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And, and we'll see.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We have to make it even see, you know, like I could even see Jericho.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, if that if he was available,

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[SPEAKER_00]: I could see Jericho saying, hey, how could you use a heater?

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[SPEAKER_01]: I could see, yeah, I could see Jericho wanting him as a heater for sure.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it would be really interesting.

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[SPEAKER_01]: All right, I think, I think that'll do it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So, all right, upcoming this week and weekend is the Dynamite show, with a week and two, coming up.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh yeah, our dynamite show.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We've got back to normal.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The normal shows.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We did a quick show last week and I kind of liked it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, it was like an hour and eight minutes of something.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I would love to do that every week.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, you know, I hope people didn't think we skipped out or anything like that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But I like, you know, like we don't need to go 90 minutes.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then you and Jeff are going to record with John and I and we're going to view the AEW version of that WWE draft.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So got all my ticks ready.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You guys will be on well we'll have to figure out that I think the the hard part in that draft was determining what categories people were in because at first.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I had Tiffany Stratton in the non-main event category, and everyone was like, every time she wrestles, it's at the top of the card, so you'd probably have to change it, and I was like, okay.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then I took Braun out of the main event category, because he really has only had one title shot.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I just put him in the normal male wrestlers category.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I'll have to look at that this weekend and figure out, yeah, like where do you put like a cow

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, then he's the one that I was thinking of.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He's exactly the one I was thinking should he go in the men's main event or should he go just in the men's other category?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Because that was like Jeff picked him as like the breakout star of the year and it's like, okay, I mean, it's not traditionally what you would go with, but I, you know, I certainly see the logic.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's not a main event or yet, but he sure feels like a main event or when he's out there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Especially if he's going to start wrestling over the TNT title again.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, like, you know, and and Brisco is he a main event or I don't think so, even though I kind of really like him to be, but not only when he wrestles MJF, I guess.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, because that that AEW draft.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I was thinking like, I was thinking, okay, this Kyle Fletcher, I was like, no, the top picks got to be max because Max can be all over TV and all over the main events and he's going to main event every single paper view.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, okay, you're totally losing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I mean, it's like, max, hangman, Swerve, Omega, you know, like there's a spray and mocks.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: swear if I don't know if I said, yeah, so I mean, you know, and then, yeah, and then there's like, yeah, to cash to Ocata, like, you know, like the can't all be made of ventures.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We took out the tag team category in the WWE win just because the tag team scene on the men's side is so weak, but on the women's side, it's all made up of single stars.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So, but in the AEW version,

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[SPEAKER_01]: At least we'll be able to do it because they have real tag teams that they only compete generally as tag teams.

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[SPEAKER_01]: All right.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That'll be it from here.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So for Paul I'm WG.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We will see you when we see you piece out.